1 00:00:00,930 --> 00:00:02,959 This is a DynaMic Network podcast. 2 00:00:24,174 --> 00:00:28,376 Hi and welcome to the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly show where we review superhero films 3 00:00:28,516 --> 00:00:33,399 and debate the superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing their characters and stat-based 4 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:39,642 battle simulations. I'm Marvelous Joe. And I'm his twin brother Johnny DC. And guys, we are 5 00:00:39,662 --> 00:00:44,765 in the eye of the storm of what Jonathan and I are calling review hell right now. We still 6 00:00:44,785 --> 00:00:49,047 have three more DC things to review because DC sucks and that is Suicide Squad 7 00:00:53,590 --> 00:00:56,831 We've been reviewing so many things that we haven't done a duel episode since over a month 8 00:00:56,871 --> 00:01:02,014 ago with Atrocitus vs Juggernaut, but this episode, we're getting back to it. We're going to find 9 00:01:02,054 --> 00:01:07,398 out who would win in a fight between Arsenal and White Widow. Arsenal was formerly Speedy, 10 00:01:07,958 --> 00:01:12,681 sometimes also known as Red Arrow, but he's the protégé of Green Arrow, whereas White Widow 11 00:01:12,741 --> 00:01:18,164 is the protégé of Black Widow. And her real name is Yelena Belova, and you know probably 12 00:01:18,224 --> 00:01:22,078 all about her from the Black Widow movie. She's played by Florence Pugh. And if you're a fan 13 00:01:22,118 --> 00:01:27,661 of CW's Arrow, you'll know Roy Harper because he was played by Colton Haynes. Nobody watched 14 00:01:27,681 --> 00:01:33,664 that show. Hey, if we're naming actors, why can't I? But before we get into the characters' 15 00:01:33,724 --> 00:01:37,607 backstories, run the simulations, and determine who would win in a match-up between the two 16 00:01:37,627 --> 00:01:42,009 characters, we're going to break down the comic book movie news from the past week, of which 17 00:01:42,029 --> 00:01:46,972 there was only one interesting news item. And that was that James Spader is returning to 18 00:01:46,992 --> 00:01:53,405 voice Ultron for the upcoming Vision. Disney Plus television series. As always we list our 19 00:01:53,445 --> 00:01:57,250 segment times in our episode description so feel free to check out the show notes if you 20 00:01:57,270 --> 00:02:02,396 want to skip ahead to a particular topic. Guys our artificially intelligent duel simulator 21 00:02:02,737 --> 00:02:10,110 AJ9K has a quick message for our listeners, so listen up. Why hello there, do you want 22 00:02:10,170 --> 00:02:15,072 even more from this podcast? 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Be sure to tune into the other shows in the DynaMic Podcast Network 31 00:02:56,726 --> 00:03:00,987 this week, including Max Destruction, which pits your favorite action heroes from film 32 00:03:01,047 --> 00:03:06,409 and television against each other. This week, the Macho Twins are pitting The Penguin from 33 00:03:06,449 --> 00:03:12,070 Batman Returns against Big Boy from Dick Tracy. It's a great matchup. Yeah, cannot wait for 34 00:03:12,110 --> 00:03:16,892 that one. On the Send Your World podcast, host Zachary Heppern speculates on fights between 35 00:03:16,932 --> 00:03:22,973 fan favorite anime and manga characters. This Thursday, Zach will be reviewing Sailor Moon. 36 00:03:23,310 --> 00:03:28,833 Cosmos and on the console combat podcast hosts John and Dean find out who'd win in fights 37 00:03:28,853 --> 00:03:34,956 between popular video game characters and yesterday's episode John and Ken determined who would win 38 00:03:35,016 --> 00:03:42,721 between link from the Legend of Zelda and Roxas from Kingdom Hearts visit dynamic Podcasts 39 00:03:42,761 --> 00:03:46,843 calm or click the link in our show notes to listen to all of the shows in the dynaMic 40 00:03:46,883 --> 00:03:54,422 podcast network But with that out of the way quick to the no prize A no prize is an award 41 00:03:54,482 --> 00:03:59,766 Marvel used to give out to fans. Our version, the Dynamic Duel No Prize, is a digital award 42 00:03:59,806 --> 00:04:04,309 that we post on Instagram for the person we feel gave the best answer to our question of 43 00:04:04,349 --> 00:04:10,554 the week. Last week we asked, which upcoming DC Studios film or show are you most looking 44 00:04:10,594 --> 00:04:16,598 forward to and why? Of course in the week prior, we asked what MCU project you were most looking 45 00:04:16,618 --> 00:04:21,978 forward to and we only got two answers. This time we got so many more! because so many more 46 00:04:22,018 --> 00:04:27,621 people are looking forward to DC stuff. Well, DC fans are insecure, but also we got quite 47 00:04:27,641 --> 00:04:31,783 a few answers that said, no one cares. I'm not looking forward to any DC project because DC 48 00:04:31,843 --> 00:04:35,505 sucks. Well, I mean, doesn't that prove that Marvel fans are insecure? Like, why even call 49 00:04:35,605 --> 00:04:44,030 in with that answer? Because it's fun to dunk on DC. It's fun to be butthurt. OK. We have 50 00:04:44,070 --> 00:04:47,992 three honorable mentions and a no prize winner to get through. So our first honorable mention 51 00:04:48,032 --> 00:04:53,275 goes to Travis Herndon. Who said? What's up, dynamic dudes? Travis here. Shout out to my 52 00:04:53,295 --> 00:04:58,459 other twins. So my answer would have to be the Creature Commandos. Just like the Guardians 53 00:04:58,499 --> 00:05:04,804 of the Galaxy, I am very surprised to even see this sort of D-list superhero group be in a 54 00:05:04,844 --> 00:05:10,068 theatrical universe like this. So I'm excited for the show. I'm excited to be in the live 55 00:05:10,148 --> 00:05:16,093 action series. So yeah, Creature Commandos is going to be cool. It's going to basically be 56 00:05:16,113 --> 00:05:22,209 DC's Guardians. Yeah, I'm really looking forward to this kicking off James Gunn's DC Universe. 57 00:05:22,790 --> 00:05:26,613 I know it's going to be animated, but I still feel like it'll set the tone for a lot of what's 58 00:05:26,653 --> 00:05:31,917 coming, considering that James Gunn wrote it. Plus, the creature commandos are just a really 59 00:05:31,937 --> 00:05:38,062 cool team. I love the concept of like a super team of these borderline universal monster 60 00:05:38,102 --> 00:05:42,986 type characters, and I think it's going to be a lot of fun. Yeah, we might just have to squeeze 61 00:05:43,026 --> 00:05:48,390 in a duel with the creature commandos around Halloween time. Yeah, maybe. Great answer, 62 00:05:48,430 --> 00:05:54,632 Travis. Our next honorable mention goes to Lizzie Dyer Arnie, who said, It's Lizzie. And of course, 63 00:05:54,693 --> 00:05:58,654 the DC series that I'm most looking forward to is the superhero you've never heard of, 64 00:05:59,014 --> 00:06:05,377 Mr. Booster Gold. He's got definitely the most unique origin story. He's a college football 65 00:06:05,417 --> 00:06:11,940 player from the future who gets expelled for illegal gambling. And he works as a security 66 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:16,118 guard and steals some stuff from the Superhero Museum. and then he comes back to our time 67 00:06:16,138 --> 00:06:21,579 to become a superhero. He is just such a fun guy and I love him. Yeah, Booster Gold, of 68 00:06:21,619 --> 00:06:27,861 course, is an upcoming, I believe television project from DC Studios. Rumors are heavily 69 00:06:27,941 --> 00:06:34,123 pointing to Kumail Nanjiani to play the lead role of Booster Gold, which I don't hate because 70 00:06:34,443 --> 00:06:40,224 it's a very comedic role and he's a very comedic guy. And also there'd be an awesome blow to 71 00:06:40,264 --> 00:06:45,570 Marvel because he of course was one of the Eternals. Yeah, he was Kingo. in the Eternals movie. 72 00:06:45,750 --> 00:06:49,752 I thought he was an awesome Kingo. I know that he'll make an awesome Booster Gold and it would 73 00:06:49,772 --> 00:06:54,454 be really interesting to see who they would cast as Blue Beetle. You know there's the Jamie 74 00:06:54,474 --> 00:06:59,136 Reyes Blue Beetle and then there's the Ted Kord Blue Beetle. And since James Gunn said the 75 00:06:59,196 --> 00:07:04,058 movie version of Blue Beetle would be making his way into the new DCU and in that movie 76 00:07:04,339 --> 00:07:08,500 they made reference to Ted Kord, I think it would be a lot of fun seeing who they cast 77 00:07:08,580 --> 00:07:13,690 as the Blue Beetle Booster Gold duo. Yeah, I'm still rooting for Jason Sudeikis, but we'll 78 00:07:13,710 --> 00:07:20,212 see if that happens. Great answer, Lizzie. Our final honorable mention goes to Scott Camacho, 79 00:07:20,492 --> 00:07:26,914 who said Scotty Macho here. One I am looking forward to only because of my son's namesake 80 00:07:27,574 --> 00:07:32,396 is Batman, Brave and the Bold. I really want to see what they're going to do with Damien 81 00:07:32,436 --> 00:07:39,262 Wayne. Batman, Brave and the Bold. Gilly Macho here. And this is mine. DC sucks. Shut the 82 00:07:39,322 --> 00:07:45,865 fuck up, don't fricking come in here. DC's up. Dude, I know all about embarrassing twin brothers. 83 00:07:46,146 --> 00:07:52,049 Let me tell ya, it's rough. Gilly, you're my boy. Thank you so much for that. Way out of 84 00:07:52,089 --> 00:07:57,212 line, way out of line. Batman Brave and the Bold is gonna be awesome. I'm still really 85 00:07:57,252 --> 00:08:02,315 hoping, honestly, that they bring Robert Pattinson into the DCU. Probably not gonna happen, but 86 00:08:02,455 --> 00:08:06,417 I can still hold out hope because they haven't really announced any casting news for this 87 00:08:06,457 --> 00:08:11,325 film yet. That said, I'm still really looking forward to it because we may finally get a 88 00:08:11,405 --> 00:08:17,450 Batman and Robin in live action on the big screen that works. The way you could do it with Robert 89 00:08:17,470 --> 00:08:23,996 Pattinson is have his fling with Talia Al Ghul happen, not when he's Batman, but while he's 90 00:08:24,036 --> 00:08:29,320 training around the world. So when he was younger, that way it's still believable that Batman 91 00:08:29,441 --> 00:08:35,682 could still have a child. Yeah, and a five year old Damian would be totally fine with me. just 92 00:08:35,702 --> 00:08:41,567 like kicking ass, it would be hilarious. I could see it. Great answer, Scotty. Dishonorable 93 00:08:41,587 --> 00:08:45,970 mention to you, Gillie. Which also counts as an honorable mention coming from a DC guy, 94 00:08:46,070 --> 00:08:51,695 so good job. We wanna give a special thanks to Cyrus Moore, Abner O'Tary, and Kat Stevenson 95 00:08:51,715 --> 00:08:56,879 for taking the time to visit our website and record an answer. And Gil Camacho and Nate 96 00:08:56,899 --> 00:09:02,784 Wagner. No, no, they're dead to me. The winner of this week's snow prize, however, is Mickey 97 00:09:02,824 --> 00:09:08,081 Math and Gian, who said... Hey, what's up guys? This is Miggi and no surprise the DC Studios 98 00:09:08,121 --> 00:09:12,284 film I'm looking forward to the most is Superman. I'm a huge Superman fan and everything I've 99 00:09:12,304 --> 00:09:20,972 seen from GunsPost about his inspirations and set photos and the casting, the costume design, 100 00:09:21,052 --> 00:09:25,916 it just looks like it's going to be the perfect Superman film. And a great start to the DC 101 00:09:26,097 --> 00:09:33,414 Studios reboot. So yeah, Superman. I'm super excited. Thanks guys. Yeah, the initial photo 102 00:09:33,454 --> 00:09:38,737 they released of David Corn sweat as Superman in the costume did not get my hopes up, but 103 00:09:38,797 --> 00:09:45,101 the set photos absolutely did. From seeing the costume on set to all of the actors portraying 104 00:09:45,121 --> 00:09:50,704 their different roles, I am so unbelievably pumped for James Gunn's Superman movie, which 105 00:09:50,764 --> 00:09:56,727 as Biggie said is really going to kick off James Gunn's DC universe in the live action sense. 106 00:09:56,747 --> 00:10:03,242 I mean yeah, if you like that sort of thing. Uh, yeah, bro. DC fans do, and that's why this 107 00:10:03,282 --> 00:10:08,104 is the best answer, cause it's effing Superman. And if you don't like Superman, then you don't 108 00:10:08,144 --> 00:10:13,647 like superheroes, cause they wouldn't exist without him. So then. I mean, surely there 109 00:10:13,667 --> 00:10:18,709 was Zorro before Superman, you know, he was kind of a superhero. I'm sorry, could he leap 110 00:10:18,749 --> 00:10:24,671 tall buildings in a single bound? No, fuck Zorro. John Carter of Mars? Was he faster than a speeding 111 00:10:24,711 --> 00:10:30,106 bullet? No, fuck John Carter. The Phantom? Oh, was he bullet powerful than a locomotive? I 112 00:10:30,126 --> 00:10:36,193 have no idea. Oh, it's Phantom! What is happening? Superman, that's what's happening. Next year 113 00:10:36,233 --> 00:10:40,197 he's happening. It's gonna be awesome. Can't wait for it. Great answer, Miggie. You win 114 00:10:40,217 --> 00:10:44,302 this week's No Prize. If you the listener want a shot at winning your own No Prize, stay tuned 115 00:10:44,322 --> 00:10:48,887 to later on in this episode when we'll be asking another Question of the Week. And now that 116 00:10:48,907 --> 00:10:50,669 that's done, on to the news! 117 00:10:56,130 --> 00:11:01,253 Alright, this past week we learned from the Hollywood Reporter that the actor James Spader 118 00:11:01,273 --> 00:11:07,497 would be returning as the voice of the villain Ultron in the upcoming Vision series. Now, 119 00:11:07,837 --> 00:11:11,620 previously we heard that the series was going to be called Vision Quest, but the Hollywood 120 00:11:11,660 --> 00:11:17,144 Reporter said that that's not the official title, which thank God, because really the series 121 00:11:17,184 --> 00:11:21,907 should just be called Vision. I don't know, I kind of liked the title Vision Quest. Shut 122 00:11:22,067 --> 00:11:29,280 up! So the Hollywood Reporter also called... Vision series as like the third in a sort of 123 00:11:29,741 --> 00:11:36,246 Trilogy of television shows starting with WandaVision followed up by Agatha all along and then ending 124 00:11:36,326 --> 00:11:41,510 with this upcoming Vision series Which is a pretty cool concept Rumors are that Elizabeth 125 00:11:41,590 --> 00:11:46,875 Olsen will be returning in her role as the Scarlet Witch in the upcoming Vision series as well 126 00:11:47,155 --> 00:11:52,259 Although that's not been confirmed. Spoiler maybe? I don't think so. I think it's pretty 127 00:11:52,299 --> 00:11:56,851 expected, right? If she was gonna show up anywhere, it would be here Well, maybe it's like a flashback 128 00:11:56,871 --> 00:12:01,414 or something. I guess it could be. Or maybe she's just coming back from the dead in Agatha, 129 00:12:01,514 --> 00:12:07,259 La Lange. Who knows? But this is exciting news. If you remember from the end of the Avengers 130 00:12:07,339 --> 00:12:14,285 Age of Ultron movie, Ultron allegedly died off screen during a conversation with Vision, where 131 00:12:14,305 --> 00:12:18,648 they kind of had this philosophical discussion about the nature of humanity. And then Ultron 132 00:12:18,808 --> 00:12:22,151 lunges at Vision, and then there's a bright flash of light. And then we never really see 133 00:12:22,171 --> 00:12:27,366 what happens. We're just left to assume that Ultron is dead. But as we know from the comics, 134 00:12:27,946 --> 00:12:34,649 Ultron has implanted failsafe coding within the Vision android, compelling him to rebuild 135 00:12:34,709 --> 00:12:38,490 the evil robot. Now that may not be exactly what's happening here, especially since the 136 00:12:38,510 --> 00:12:43,992 original Vision body was recreated by the Sword Organization and he's white in color now and 137 00:12:44,032 --> 00:12:48,033 kind of devoid of his previous personality, also similar to what happened in the comics. 138 00:12:48,213 --> 00:12:53,120 So. There's a lot of cool stuff going on here. I really like the character of Vision, especially 139 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:58,123 how he's portrayed by actor Paul Bettany. So I'm really excited for this series, especially 140 00:12:58,163 --> 00:13:02,026 now that we know that Ultron's gonna be the bad guy. I feel like series like these should 141 00:13:02,046 --> 00:13:06,829 have come years ago. Like I'm so ready for Marvel to pick up all these loose threads that they've 142 00:13:06,849 --> 00:13:11,612 been dangling everywhere. Ultron being a big one. Yeah, and Vision too. We've been waiting 143 00:13:11,632 --> 00:13:16,803 to see what happened with the white Vision ever since 2021. I can't remember, did we like James 144 00:13:16,863 --> 00:13:25,510 Spader as Ultron or was it lame? My impression was that he did a great dark sinister voice. 145 00:13:25,871 --> 00:13:30,735 It wasn't necessarily what I thought the character sounded like based on how I read it in the 146 00:13:30,775 --> 00:13:37,480 comics. I would set up him as a little bit more snivelly and whiny I guess. But yeah, I like 147 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:44,962 James Spader as an actor and he does a good take on Ultron I would say. thinking behind 148 00:13:45,022 --> 00:13:51,267 Spader's casting in Avengers Age of Ultron was that Joss Whedon was kind of counter casting 149 00:13:51,327 --> 00:13:57,212 against Robert Downey Jr. because both Downey and Spader were teen heartthrobs in the 80s. 150 00:13:57,592 --> 00:14:03,697 And considering how Ultron here was kind of portrayed as the brain child of Tony Stark, 151 00:14:03,837 --> 00:14:08,160 I thought that all fit pretty well. Yeah, I think if anyone could go toe to toe with Robert 152 00:14:08,180 --> 00:14:12,739 Downey Jr., it's definitely... James Spader. He's a solid actor. And definitely a formidable 153 00:14:12,839 --> 00:14:17,222 one for Paul Bettany to go up against. For sure. For sure. It's gonna be a great show. I can't 154 00:14:17,242 --> 00:14:21,385 wait for Marvel to announce a release date for Vision. But as soon as we know it, we'll let 155 00:14:21,405 --> 00:14:26,488 you guys know. But speaking of great casting for a Marvel villain, that brings us to our 156 00:14:26,528 --> 00:14:27,289 Question of the Week. 157 00:14:31,726 --> 00:14:38,408 Who do you think was the best cast, Marvel or DC villain of all time? A lot of great options 158 00:14:38,428 --> 00:14:42,970 to choose from, from both Marvel and DC, so we can't wait to hear your guys' answers. Record 159 00:14:43,010 --> 00:14:46,972 them at dynamicduel.com by clicking on the red microphone button in the bottom right hand 160 00:14:47,012 --> 00:14:51,053 corner of the screen, which will prompt you to leave us a voicemail. Your message could 161 00:14:51,093 --> 00:14:55,075 be up to 30 seconds long, and don't forget to leave your name in case we include you on the 162 00:14:55,095 --> 00:14:59,697 podcast. We'll pick our favorite answer, and award that person a Dynamic Duel No Prize that 163 00:14:59,717 --> 00:15:03,877 we'll post to Instagram. Be sure to answer before August 31st. 164 00:15:11,278 --> 00:15:14,924 But I think that does it for all the news for this episode, so let's go ahead and get into 165 00:15:14,964 --> 00:15:20,896 our main event where we find out who'd win in a fight between the Green Arrow protégé, Arsenal, 166 00:15:21,276 --> 00:15:23,741 and the Black Widow protégé, White Widow. 167 00:15:39,042 --> 00:15:44,444 All right, Arsenal versus White Widow. We are doing this duel episode now because it's a 168 00:15:44,484 --> 00:15:48,365 lead up to our team duel that we have going on in a few weeks where we find out who'd win 169 00:15:48,405 --> 00:15:54,528 in a fight between the Outsiders team versus X-Force. And that was selected by our executive 170 00:15:54,568 --> 00:15:59,490 producers. That's going to be a fun episode. But Arsenal is a quintessential outsider. Yes. 171 00:16:00,370 --> 00:16:07,733 He was the leader of an incarnation of the Outsiders for a time. Yes. And he has the ability of 172 00:16:07,893 --> 00:16:13,259 a marksman. just like Green Arrow, correct? Uh, yeah, except he uses more than a bow and 173 00:16:13,299 --> 00:16:18,562 arrow. Like, Green Arrow pretty much sticks to only that, but Arsenal has a literal arsenal 174 00:16:18,702 --> 00:16:24,504 of weapons that he is a perfect marksman with. Does he have a boxing glove arrow? I'm sure 175 00:16:24,545 --> 00:16:29,547 he does. As Arsenal, he's a little probably too cool and hip for something like that. But 176 00:16:29,607 --> 00:16:33,509 as Speedy, you know, in his younger years, he definitely used that. You know who doesn't 177 00:16:33,529 --> 00:16:37,818 have a boxing glove arrow? White Widow. And that's probably because she doesn't have a 178 00:16:37,878 --> 00:16:43,059 bow, but it automatically makes her the better character. I just said Arsenal doesn't use 179 00:16:43,099 --> 00:16:48,681 that. Well, in my headcanon, he does. He fires nothing but boxing glove arrows and he's a 180 00:16:48,761 --> 00:16:53,142 big dumb dumb. Well that will be your downfall. To be fair, I don't really know much about 181 00:16:53,162 --> 00:16:57,183 the character, so I guess I'm going to find out now as we go into the characters backstories, 182 00:16:57,363 --> 00:17:01,824 input their stats, run simulations, and find out who to win in a fight. But to explain the 183 00:17:01,844 --> 00:17:06,346 methodology behind our duels, let's go to our sentient duel simulator. Alfred Jarvis 9000. 184 00:17:07,286 --> 00:17:13,809 AJ9K, tell our listeners how you go about determining a winner in our duel matchups. Yes, of course, 185 00:17:13,829 --> 00:17:18,651 sir. The way I determine a winner between the contestants is by running 1000 Monte Carlo 186 00:17:18,691 --> 00:17:23,693 simulations using the characters statistics. A Monte Carlo simulation is a probabilistic 187 00:17:23,733 --> 00:17:29,275 model used to determine outcomes through random sampling. In this case, I randomize the statistics 188 00:17:29,315 --> 00:17:33,977 along a normal distribution as a way to simulate the many variables that can occur during battle. 189 00:17:34,402 --> 00:17:39,143 The stat parameters are based on the official Marvel power grid from which the DC characters' 190 00:17:39,183 --> 00:17:44,345 statistics are extrapolated. Additional stat categories are included such as range, damage 191 00:17:44,385 --> 00:17:49,787 potential, versatility and perception in order to create a more detailed and accurate simulation. 192 00:17:50,287 --> 00:17:55,089 The results of the 1000 simulations provide a percentage of wins for each character. The 193 00:17:55,109 --> 00:17:59,582 contestant with the higher percentage is declared the victor. as they have a higher probability 194 00:17:59,602 --> 00:18:05,444 to win any given battle. In an equitable pairing, neither character should win 100% of the matches. 195 00:18:05,944 --> 00:18:10,425 The comic book stories have shown that there's even a way for Batman to defeat Superman, so 196 00:18:10,465 --> 00:18:14,346 the confidence rate of my method falls in line with the precedents that have been established 197 00:18:14,386 --> 00:18:19,928 in the source material. My mathematical simulations are without subjectivity or bias. Feats are 198 00:18:19,968 --> 00:18:24,369 not the sole consideration, nor are fan votes tabulated for determination of the winner. 199 00:18:25,809 --> 00:18:29,950 Thanks, Adrian 9K. Before we run the simulations though, we like to break down each character's 200 00:18:30,030 --> 00:18:34,532 histories and abilities before improvising a scenario on how we imagine one of the 1000 201 00:18:34,932 --> 00:18:40,214 simulations would play out beat for beat. And I believe, Jonathan, it is your turn to go 202 00:18:40,254 --> 00:18:45,736 first with the DC character, so tell us all about Arsenal. Alright. Roy Harper Jr. was 203 00:18:45,816 --> 00:18:51,217 raised by a single father, Roy Sr., who was a forest ranger in the southwestern United 204 00:18:51,277 --> 00:18:57,714 States. At age two, Roy Jr. was orphaned when his father helped evacuate and rescue members 205 00:18:57,754 --> 00:19:04,139 of a Navajo reservation because of a wildfire, and Roy was adopted by Brave Bow, the tribe's 206 00:19:04,179 --> 00:19:11,064 shaman who trained Roy in archery. When Green Arrow emerged as a superhero, Roy became fascinated 207 00:19:11,124 --> 00:19:15,868 that someone could become a hero with only a bow and arrow. When Brave Bow learned that 208 00:19:15,888 --> 00:19:20,798 he was dying from an illness, He invited Green Arrow to visit the reservation and judge an 209 00:19:20,898 --> 00:19:26,760 archery tournament, during which Roy impressed Green Arrow with his bow skills. Though Roy 210 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:32,702 was sabotaged in the final round of the competition, Green Arrow recognized how fast Roy was with 211 00:19:32,742 --> 00:19:38,904 his bow, even speedier than him, and he agreed to take Roy on as his ward to continue his 212 00:19:39,004 --> 00:19:44,025 archery training as well as foster skills in crime fighting. When Green Arrow felt Roy was 213 00:19:44,085 --> 00:19:48,527 ready, He presented him with his own costume and trick arrows so that he could become his 214 00:19:48,607 --> 00:19:53,828 sidekick, known as Speedy. You can learn more about Green Arrow in our Green Arrow vs Hawkeye 215 00:19:53,888 --> 00:19:59,229 Duel episode. After aiding Green Arrow in numerous adventures against villains such as Count Murdigo 216 00:19:59,269 --> 00:20:04,031 and Clock King, Roy eventually helped found a team of teen sidekicks known as the Teen 217 00:20:04,071 --> 00:20:09,092 Titans, which you can learn more about in our Titans vs X-Men Duel episode. After breaking 218 00:20:09,152 --> 00:20:15,038 up with his teenage sweetheart Donna Troy, the eventual disbandment of the The loss of Green 219 00:20:15,098 --> 00:20:19,459 Arrow's fortune and its subsequent abandonment of Roy to travel the country with Green Lantern 220 00:20:19,479 --> 00:20:25,621 and Black Canary, Roy, depressed, turned to drugs and became addicted to heroin. When Green 221 00:20:25,701 --> 00:20:31,362 Arrow uncovered Roy's drug use, he kicked him to the curb, forcing Roy into homelessness. 222 00:20:31,882 --> 00:20:36,724 It took some time, but eventually Roy overcame his addiction after promising to Black Canary 223 00:20:36,744 --> 00:20:41,065 that he would, though it took a lot longer for him to overcome his resentment toward Green 224 00:20:41,185 --> 00:20:46,747 Arrow. Having grown into an adult, Roy became a counselor to teams with drug problems, and 225 00:20:46,788 --> 00:20:51,691 he attempted to become a crime fighter once again, even joining a reformed Team Titans, 226 00:20:51,971 --> 00:20:57,154 though the team later disbanded. Eventually, Roy was recognized by the Central Bureau of 227 00:20:57,214 --> 00:21:03,678 Investigations, or CBI, as a potential clandestine agent to stop drug trafficking and terrorism. 228 00:21:04,018 --> 00:21:08,421 The CBI trained him in the use of firearms and turned him into an official drug enforcement 229 00:21:08,561 --> 00:21:13,600 agent. tasked on one assignment to gain the trust of a foreign assassin named Cheshire. 230 00:21:13,980 --> 00:21:18,803 Though Roy was eventually supposed to turn Cheshire into the authorities, the two ended up falling 231 00:21:18,863 --> 00:21:24,346 in love and having an affair. Worried that their relationship would endanger her, Roy abandoned 232 00:21:24,426 --> 00:21:29,289 Cheshire, unaware that she was pregnant and would give birth to his daughter, Leanne. When 233 00:21:29,349 --> 00:21:33,972 Roy learned of Leanne's existence, he and Nightwing, who you can learn more about in our Nightwing 234 00:21:33,992 --> 00:21:39,684 vs. Daredevil episode, tracked Cheshire down. though she captured and poisoned Roy, leaving 235 00:21:39,724 --> 00:21:44,508 him for dead along with their daughter. Though Nightwing was able to save Roy, and Roy accepted 236 00:21:44,528 --> 00:21:49,932 the responsibility of being a single father, just as his father was. After the CBI was moved 237 00:21:50,032 --> 00:21:55,577 under the larger clandestine organization Checkmate, Nightwing came to an agreement with the US 238 00:21:55,597 --> 00:22:01,261 government that the Titans should be a gove team, at which point Nightwing stepped down 239 00:22:01,301 --> 00:22:07,578 as team leader, and Roy, now going by the new superhero codename Arsenal. took his place. 240 00:22:08,099 --> 00:22:13,363 The Titans team eventually dissolved, and Arsenal used the opportunity to reconcile with Green 241 00:22:13,443 --> 00:22:19,848 Arrow, shortly before his Mator dive in an airplane explosion. After a new incarnation of the Titans 242 00:22:19,888 --> 00:22:25,052 disbanded following the death of several team members at the hands of Brainiac, Arsenal received 243 00:22:25,132 --> 00:22:30,657 corporate sponsorship to form a new superteam, which he named the Outsiders. That included 244 00:22:30,757 --> 00:22:33,259 Nightwing, the Green Lantern-powered Jade, 245 00:22:36,798 --> 00:22:42,801 and a rehabilitated brainiac robot named Indigo, among others. During one mission, the team 246 00:22:42,821 --> 00:22:49,184 encountered a child slaver named Tanner from Roy's past as an undercover CBI agent. Tanner 247 00:22:49,284 --> 00:22:54,827 recognized Roy and decided to torture him by kidnapping his daughter, Leon, even branding 248 00:22:54,867 --> 00:22:59,970 her with his mark. But Roy and the outsiders were able to track him down and safely rescue 249 00:23:00,090 --> 00:23:05,033 all of the children he had captured, including Leon. After being shot in the chest and having 250 00:23:05,053 --> 00:23:10,036 his throat slit- During the team's many adventures, Roy decided that the outsider's aggressive 251 00:23:10,096 --> 00:23:14,679 approach to crime fighting wasn't suitable for a single father, and he left the team with 252 00:23:14,759 --> 00:23:19,803 Nightwing in charge. Eventually, Roy was recruited to the Justice League, during which time he 253 00:23:19,823 --> 00:23:25,747 was dubbed Red Arrow by Green Lantern, an identity he fully embraced by taking up the bow as his 254 00:23:25,827 --> 00:23:31,030 primary weapon once again. During his time on the League, the team was attacked by the villain 255 00:23:31,070 --> 00:23:36,406 Prometheus, who infiltrated their satellite headquarters, ambushed Roy, and sliced off 256 00:23:36,446 --> 00:23:41,568 his arm with a sword. You can learn more about Prometheus in our Prometheus vs Taskmaster 257 00:23:41,608 --> 00:23:47,731 duel episode. As Roy was undergoing emergency medical treatment for his arm, Prometheus successfully 258 00:23:47,771 --> 00:23:53,293 destroyed most of Star City, where Roy resided with his daughter. Leon was home when it was 259 00:23:53,333 --> 00:23:58,515 destroyed, and she died as a result. Green Arrow, who had long since returned to life by this 260 00:23:58,575 --> 00:24:04,346 point, killed Prometheus in response, and Roy was given a cybernetic arm. though it was of 261 00:24:04,426 --> 00:24:09,528 little solace as he initially had trouble aiming with his new arm, and in his despair he turned 262 00:24:09,608 --> 00:24:14,690 to painkillers. He was eventually ambushed one night in his new home by Cheshire, who blamed 263 00:24:14,730 --> 00:24:19,472 him for Leon's death, though in their dispute the two ended up grieving together rather than 264 00:24:19,532 --> 00:24:25,154 fighting. Returning to heroin, Roy took to the streets, viciously beating up criminals while 265 00:24:25,214 --> 00:24:30,757 high. He was eventually discovered by Nightwing, who put Roy in rehab, though Roy escaped and 266 00:24:30,777 --> 00:24:36,100 later killed the imprisoned villain. known as the Electrocutioner, who was Prometheus' accomplice 267 00:24:36,120 --> 00:24:41,324 in the destruction of Star City. After which, Roy burned down his home and all of his possessions 268 00:24:41,624 --> 00:24:46,467 while reclaiming the mantle of Arsenal. Roy joined Deathstroke's villainous version of 269 00:24:46,487 --> 00:24:51,311 the Titans, helping to build a healing machine called the Methuselah that Deathstroke was 270 00:24:51,411 --> 00:24:56,334 able to use to heal his son, Jericho. You can learn more about Deathstroke in his duel episode 271 00:24:56,354 --> 00:25:01,546 against Deadpool. When Deathstroke claimed the machine could also bring back Leon, Cheshire 272 00:25:01,586 --> 00:25:06,769 jumped at the opportunity, but Roy came to the sobering conclusion that his daughter was in 273 00:25:06,809 --> 00:25:11,411 a better place, and he took on Deathstroke and the rest of the team to successfully destroy 274 00:25:11,431 --> 00:25:17,195 the machine. Though Cheshire vowed revenge against him, Roy and the newly-healed Jericho decided 275 00:25:17,215 --> 00:25:23,178 to reform the Titans' team. In post-Flashpoint continuity, Roy's backstory remained about 276 00:25:23,318 --> 00:25:29,862 80% intact, though his arm was replaced with an organic replica, and Leon never died. After 277 00:25:29,902 --> 00:25:35,466 forming a team called Iron Rule to overthrow the Korraki dictatorship, Roy was forced to 278 00:25:35,526 --> 00:25:40,470 kill his teammates when they turned against him and began killing civilians. For his crimes 279 00:25:40,510 --> 00:25:46,475 against Korraki, Roy was sentenced to death, though he was rescued by the Red Hood and Starfire, 280 00:25:46,796 --> 00:25:51,119 both of whom you can learn more about in their respective duels against the Punisher and Sunspot. 281 00:25:51,459 --> 00:25:56,263 Together, the three formed a team known as the Outlaws, taking on the likes of the Joker in 282 00:25:56,303 --> 00:26:01,159 Gotham City and the League of Assassins around the world. world. When Wally West returned 283 00:26:01,219 --> 00:26:07,224 to continuity, Roy and the original Titans reformed the team, though Wally would accidentally cause 284 00:26:07,304 --> 00:26:13,009 Roy's death later during a speed force explosion incident at a therapeutic resource center for 285 00:26:13,069 --> 00:26:17,773 superheroes known as the Sanctuary, where Roy was getting treatment for his addictive nature. 286 00:26:18,253 --> 00:26:23,698 He was eventually resurrected via a black lantern ring, but he was able to overcome its influence 287 00:26:23,738 --> 00:26:29,090 through his love for his daughter, Leon, and help from his former teammate, Jade. Roy eventually 288 00:26:29,170 --> 00:26:34,511 reunited with Leon, learning that she had become a young vigilante on her own, known as Cheshire 289 00:26:34,591 --> 00:26:40,373 Cat. Well, he, Black Canary, and Green Arrow's son, searched for a Green Arrow who had become 290 00:26:40,433 --> 00:26:44,254 lost in the timestream along with the rest of the Justice League. That's pretty much his 291 00:26:44,294 --> 00:26:50,676 backstory so far. Powers-wise, Arsenal has no superhuman ability outside of his uncanny speed 292 00:26:50,836 --> 00:26:56,177 and precision with ranged weaponry. He's an accomplished technician, having developed many 293 00:26:56,217 --> 00:27:01,520 of Green Arrow's trick arrows including ones that are explosive, electrified, cryogenic, 294 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:07,783 contain knockout gas, smoke, adhesive resin, and neural scrambling waves, just to name a 295 00:27:07,843 --> 00:27:12,846 few. And though he's among the best archers in the world, unlike his mentor Green Arrow, 296 00:27:13,266 --> 00:27:18,729 Arsenal employs other weapons such as handguns, rifles, grenades, crossbows, darts, daggers, 297 00:27:19,129 --> 00:27:24,932 and other throwing blades. He is literally a walking arsenal, on top of being an expert 298 00:27:24,972 --> 00:27:32,236 in close quarters combat and strategy. His only weakness is, well, heroin. But he's working 299 00:27:32,296 --> 00:27:37,299 on that. Well, I hear that White Widow has some contacts in the underground drug trade, so 300 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,943 you might be screwed. I'm sorry, is she regularly carrying heroin on her? Why do you think they 301 00:27:42,983 --> 00:27:47,445 call her the White Widow? Oh, shit. It's one of those slang words that Deadpool knows about. 302 00:27:47,966 --> 00:27:52,869 I doubt that. I think you just made that up. But let me go ahead and tell you the real backstory 303 00:27:53,109 --> 00:27:58,997 of White Widow. Now little is known about the early life of Yelena Belova, who was born to 304 00:27:59,157 --> 00:28:05,283 unknown parents in Russia. At age 15, she attracted the attention of the Soviet Red Room, who recruited 305 00:28:05,323 --> 00:28:10,327 her into their Black Widow program, training her to be an elite spy for 10 years. While 306 00:28:10,367 --> 00:28:14,711 in the program, she constantly held herself to the standard of the Red Room's most infamous 307 00:28:14,771 --> 00:28:20,396 Black Widow, a spy by the name of Natasha Romanoff, who had defected from Russia to join the American 308 00:28:20,436 --> 00:28:25,307 group of heroes known as the Avengers. You can learn more about Natasha in our Black Canary 309 00:28:25,347 --> 00:28:31,130 vs Black Widow duel episode. Yelena's marks exceeded Natasha's while in the program, and 310 00:28:31,290 --> 00:28:36,493 after succeeding in a test to avenge the death of her mentor, Yelena graduated from the Red 311 00:28:36,533 --> 00:28:42,657 Room. Sent out as Russia's new elite spy, Yelena shadowed her rival Natasha during a mission 312 00:28:42,697 --> 00:28:47,860 to retrieve a biological weapon. Planning to kill Natasha and retrieve the weapon for Russia, 313 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:53,511 she learned that Natasha was onto her all along. and the two were forced to fight together against 314 00:28:53,732 --> 00:28:59,296 one Colonel Khan. In order to teach the ambitious young Yelena a lesson in what makes a spy, 315 00:28:59,677 --> 00:29:04,160 Natasha brought her into S.H.I.E.L.D. custody. They swapped faces, just like in the movie 316 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:10,766 Face Off, and Natasha went undercover as Yelena to stop Yelena's handler, a rogue Russian general, 317 00:29:10,946 --> 00:29:16,211 from restarting the Cold War. Disguised as Natasha, Yelena learned that the general viewed her 318 00:29:16,311 --> 00:29:22,215 as a disposable and naive tool. Feeling betrayed, Yelena defected from Russia and had her and 319 00:29:22,235 --> 00:29:28,919 Natasha's faces restored, abandoning their rivalry. She retired from being a spy to Havana, Cuba, 320 00:29:29,179 --> 00:29:33,862 where she became a model and ran a safe house that she used to help shelter Natasha while 321 00:29:33,882 --> 00:29:38,784 she was on the run. Yelena teamed up with Daredevil to rescue Natasha when she was captured by 322 00:29:38,824 --> 00:29:43,687 a cosmetics agency known as Gainacon who was using pheromone triggers acquired from the 323 00:29:43,727 --> 00:29:49,082 Russian Red Room and its products to manipulate women around the world. Returning to life as 324 00:29:49,122 --> 00:29:54,363 a spy, Yelena joined SHIELD where she became part of a rogue faction that was illegally 325 00:29:54,423 --> 00:30:00,385 mining Antarctic vibranium down near the South Pole in an area called the Savage Land. There 326 00:30:00,645 --> 00:30:06,227 she was attacked by a villain named Soron who burned and disfigured her body. While in intensive 327 00:30:06,267 --> 00:30:11,088 care, Yelena was approached by Hydra who offered to restore her appearance by outfitting her 328 00:30:11,108 --> 00:30:16,899 with cybernetics, giving her the powers of the superadaptoid. villainous robot with the ability 329 00:30:16,939 --> 00:30:22,623 to alter its appearance and take on the powers of others. In turn, Yelena was tasked with 330 00:30:22,684 --> 00:30:28,308 destroying the Avengers. She nearly succeeded, taking on the power of the Sentry, but was 331 00:30:28,348 --> 00:30:34,213 defeated by subsequently taking on the Sentry's villainous alter ego, The Void, which drove 332 00:30:34,233 --> 00:30:39,357 her insane. Seeing that she had failed her mission, Hydra killed her. You can learn more about 333 00:30:39,397 --> 00:30:45,026 the Sentry in this duel episode against General Zod. The evil science organization AIM was 334 00:30:45,086 --> 00:30:50,449 able to use Yelena's Adaptoid components to revive her body, and they manipulated her into 335 00:30:50,509 --> 00:30:55,311 joining AIM. After stealing the Iron Patriot armor on behalf of the evil scientists she 336 00:30:55,371 --> 00:31:00,914 worked for, Yelena became an enemy of SHIELD, who sent Natasha after her former protege. 337 00:31:01,354 --> 00:31:06,797 This time, Yelena was able to overcome her fellow Black Widow using her super Adaptoid powers. 338 00:31:07,258 --> 00:31:13,081 But Natasha was rescued by the Avenger Hawkeye. When AIM captured Hawkeye's ex-wife, a spy 339 00:31:13,121 --> 00:31:19,159 named Mockingbird, she and Yelena fought. When it appeared that Mockingbird was victorious, 340 00:31:19,699 --> 00:31:25,440 AIM had her shot. However, it was later revealed that during the fight, Mockingbird used a holographic 341 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:30,482 image inducer to alter Yelena's appearance, and Yelena was the one that AIM had killed. 342 00:31:30,882 --> 00:31:36,323 The Russian Red Room then enacted a program to revive their best agents via genetic cloning. 343 00:31:36,683 --> 00:31:42,005 This included Natasha, who at the time was also dead. Regaining her original memories from 344 00:31:42,125 --> 00:31:49,120 Epsilon The Natasha clones sought to shut down the program by using three amnesiac clones 345 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:54,684 of Yelena to help destroy the facility and the genetic samples. Only one of Yelena's clones 346 00:31:54,724 --> 00:31:59,687 survived, who was given the original's memories from the Red Room psychic as well. Back in 347 00:31:59,747 --> 00:32:05,051 control of her life, Yelena became a mercenary spy known as the White Widow, and went on a 348 00:32:05,091 --> 00:32:11,070 mission to break the Russian hero Red Guardian out of captivity. Together, They rescued Natasha 349 00:32:11,130 --> 00:32:15,152 and broke her out of her brainwashing from her enemies that made her forget her life as a 350 00:32:15,212 --> 00:32:20,876 spy. Both Yelena and the Red Guardian later joined the new Thunderbolts team led by the 351 00:32:20,916 --> 00:32:26,258 Winter Soldier, a former Captain America sidekick turned Russian assassin turned hero whom you 352 00:32:26,279 --> 00:32:31,621 can learn more about in our Red Robin vs. Winter Soldier duel episode. Together, the Thunderbolts 353 00:32:31,661 --> 00:32:36,184 took on and defeated the Red Skull, a villain you can learn more about in his duel against 354 00:32:36,284 --> 00:32:42,554 Rosal Gull. And that's Yelena's backstory. Abilities-wise, White Widow has been vigorously trained in 355 00:32:42,574 --> 00:32:48,056 the Soviet Red Room to be one of Marvel's premier operatives. She is a master in multiple styles 356 00:32:48,096 --> 00:32:53,037 of fighting, and she has biological enhancements that grant her peak human physicality in terms 357 00:32:53,077 --> 00:32:59,379 of strength, speed, agility, endurance, and durability. She is an experienced spy, tactician, 358 00:32:59,659 --> 00:33:05,361 hacker, and markswoman. Her costume provides resilience to small arms fire, and her specialized 359 00:33:05,401 --> 00:33:10,895 bracelets contain a variety of weapons and gadgets from which she can shoot grapple lines, gas 360 00:33:10,935 --> 00:33:17,799 pellets, and a blast of 30,000 volts of electricity called a widow's bite. On her person, she also 361 00:33:17,839 --> 00:33:23,802 carries combat knives, handguns, and lock picks. And that's White Widow. So basically, she's 362 00:33:23,862 --> 00:33:30,806 like a less armed version of Arsenal. Sweet. A less armed but better in every other way 363 00:33:31,146 --> 00:33:35,329 version of Arsenal, yes. What? That's correct. We'll find out, I guess. All I'll say is that 364 00:33:35,349 --> 00:33:42,304 she's never done heroin. Wow. How judgmental, you judgmental piece of shit. Remember kids, 365 00:33:42,324 --> 00:33:42,885 don't do drugs. 366 00:33:50,382 --> 00:33:56,024 Where fantasies collide and heroes clash, one podcast network rises above the rest. Prepare 367 00:33:56,064 --> 00:34:01,767 yourself for the ultimate showdowns in comic books, video games, movies, and anime. The 368 00:34:01,827 --> 00:34:07,150 Dynomic Podcast Network presents... Console Combat, where video game legends brawl every 369 00:34:07,210 --> 00:34:13,714 Monday. Dynamic Duel, where comic book titans smash every Tuesday. Max Destruction, where... 370 00:34:13,814 --> 00:34:19,697 TV and action heroes battle every Wednesday, and Sendro World, where anime champions clash 371 00:34:19,797 --> 00:34:25,440 every Thursday. Join us as we speculate on the matches and armed with the power of mathematical 372 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:31,824 simulations, discover who will emerge victorious. Visit dynamicpodcast.com where we settle the 373 00:34:31,844 --> 00:34:33,285 debate and settle the score. 374 00:34:37,611 --> 00:34:41,073 Now that we got their histories and abilities out of the way, let's speculate on how one 375 00:34:41,113 --> 00:34:46,977 of the 1000 simulated matches will go. The winner is determined by simulations, not the speculation, 376 00:34:47,237 --> 00:34:51,880 but it's fun to imagine how the fight could play out. AJ and IK, what are the rules of 377 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:56,883 our speculation? Well, I should say there are no rules, other than the characters have no 378 00:34:56,944 --> 00:35:01,507 prior knowledge of the other going into the fight. All they are aware of starting out is 379 00:35:01,547 --> 00:35:07,746 that the other character is a threat that needs to be eliminated. contestants will begin approximately 380 00:35:07,806 --> 00:35:12,967 50 meters apart in a nondescript environment that will have no bearing on the match itself 381 00:35:13,287 --> 00:35:18,009 as no environmental statistics are considered in my simulations the contestants must earn 382 00:35:18,049 --> 00:35:23,590 victory on their own merit. Alright then let's get into it. Arsenal and White Widow meet on 383 00:35:23,610 --> 00:35:28,932 the battlefield who goes first? Wait let me answer that. Arsenal goes first. Like they 384 00:35:28,952 --> 00:35:38,559 don't call him speedy for nothing. Alright. So Arsenal has already drawn duel handguns 385 00:35:38,899 --> 00:35:44,501 and shot her twice in the chest. All right. Except White Widow's spy suit is made entirely 386 00:35:44,521 --> 00:35:48,343 out of Kevlar. So the bullets are going to hit her. They're going to knock her down, but she's 387 00:35:48,423 --> 00:35:53,325 not dead. She's still alive and she's going to go into like agility mode, you know, just 388 00:35:53,365 --> 00:35:59,207 sliding across the floor and handspringing up to her feet. And while she's in mid handspring, 389 00:35:59,667 --> 00:36:06,818 she's going to fire a gas pellet, a cyanide gas pellet at Arsenal. and the gas pellet breaks 390 00:36:06,998 --> 00:36:12,940 on him and Arsenal breathes in the cyanide gas and his lungs just burn up. Actually, Arsenal's 391 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:18,281 going to shoot that capsule before it even gets close to him. So now there's this like small 392 00:36:18,401 --> 00:36:23,703 cyanide cloud between them and as White Widow, you know, is doing hand springs across the 393 00:36:23,723 --> 00:36:29,184 environment, he's going to holster his guns and he's going to draw his bow and he's going 394 00:36:29,204 --> 00:36:34,802 to fire a glue arrow at her hand just as it touches the ground. And so her hand is just 395 00:36:34,862 --> 00:36:39,265 stuck there. How does he even know where to shoot if there's this cyanide cloud in between 396 00:36:39,285 --> 00:36:44,148 them blocking their line of sight? I said it was a small cloud, you know, plus she's moving 397 00:36:44,188 --> 00:36:50,353 around. So, you know, it's not blocking him for very long. OK. All right. Well, if he can 398 00:36:50,373 --> 00:36:56,517 see her, then White Widow can see Arsenal firing this arrow and like a fucking badass, White 399 00:36:56,537 --> 00:37:01,320 Widow is going to catch the arrow midair because she's an elite spy. OK, she's not going to 400 00:37:01,340 --> 00:37:06,243 get shot with some goo like a chump. And as she catches the arrow, she's going to immediately 401 00:37:06,324 --> 00:37:11,568 hurl the arrow back at Arsenal. And the glue arrow is going to hit his holster so that he's 402 00:37:11,688 --> 00:37:16,672 not able to draw one of his guns anymore. She's that good. Like, she could hurl an arrow that 403 00:37:16,812 --> 00:37:22,737 accurately and that fast. She's that good. OK, let's say that happens. Let's say Arsenal doesn't 404 00:37:22,857 --> 00:37:27,821 somehow manage to shoot a thrown arrow out of the air, just like he did with the capsule. 405 00:37:28,321 --> 00:37:33,025 That's fine. You know, because that's just one gun out of an entire arsenal that he still 406 00:37:33,065 --> 00:37:39,076 has. So he's tired of her flipping and diving around. So he's going to knock a bola arrow 407 00:37:39,336 --> 00:37:44,479 that's tied to a line. And she gets wrapped up in it, falling to the ground. At which point 408 00:37:44,519 --> 00:37:50,142 he's just going to reel her toward him like a fish on a hook. Except White Widow is a master 409 00:37:50,162 --> 00:37:54,525 escape artist. She can slip out of anything. So she slips out of being wrapped up by this 410 00:37:54,645 --> 00:38:00,868 bola. And at this point, she's within ass kicking distance of Arsenal. So she's just going to 411 00:38:00,888 --> 00:38:05,347 proceed to kick his ass. She's going to grab his arm. and she's gonna twist it, flipping 412 00:38:05,387 --> 00:38:10,271 him onto the ground. And then she's gonna step on his back and just break his arm in like 413 00:38:10,451 --> 00:38:16,356 four different places. Well, I'm sorry to inform you that she in fact grabbed his prosthetic 414 00:38:16,576 --> 00:38:24,723 arm. Fuck! So, she's holding his arm and Arsenal, he's just gonna lay down his own ass kicking 415 00:38:24,883 --> 00:38:29,787 on her, but with a knife in his good hand. And that's gonna allow him to like sever tendons 416 00:38:29,987 --> 00:38:34,895 in her arms and legs. That's going to slow down her movement. No, I mean, he might get one 417 00:38:34,935 --> 00:38:42,061 good slash in there on her arm, but Arsenal is now literally fighting one handed. So White 418 00:38:42,101 --> 00:38:46,525 Widow is going to use her other arm that didn't just get stabbed to put Arsenal in a wrist 419 00:38:46,585 --> 00:38:51,789 lock, forcing him to drop the knife, which she's going to catch midair before it hits the ground. 420 00:38:52,130 --> 00:38:58,355 And like in one smooth motion, she's going to stab that knife right into his thigh. OK, like 421 00:38:58,375 --> 00:39:03,218 Aria from Game of Thrones style. Yeah, yes, exactly. Okay, but I mean, she's going to have 422 00:39:03,238 --> 00:39:08,879 to drop his prosthetic arm while doing that. And, you know, since Arsenal, you know, he 423 00:39:08,939 --> 00:39:14,641 needs to reattach the arm and he'll need some distance and some time to do that. This is 424 00:39:14,681 --> 00:39:20,683 where he's going to snatch a cryo arrow from his quiver. He's going to slam that into White 425 00:39:20,703 --> 00:39:26,705 Widow's back, freezing her torso. So she's going to be in shock. And that's when Arsenal is 426 00:39:26,725 --> 00:39:32,067 going to reattach his arm and pull the knife out of his thigh. Okay, so White Widow is in 427 00:39:32,107 --> 00:39:37,390 shock from having her torso frozen, but she's trained for this. You know, she's from Russia. 428 00:39:37,931 --> 00:39:43,054 I'm sure she's been out in those Siberian winters. She probably knows what it's like to be frozen. 429 00:39:43,194 --> 00:39:46,676 So she's going to assess the situation quickly. It's not going to affect her too much. And 430 00:39:46,716 --> 00:39:51,219 yeah, she's not going to be able to move around as much, but she can still move her arm. And 431 00:39:51,260 --> 00:39:57,344 while Arsenal is attaching his prosthetic, Zap! He gets shot with 30,000 volts of electricity 432 00:39:57,464 --> 00:40:03,274 to his forehead with White Widow's, Widow's and it's going to fry his brain and end this 433 00:40:03,314 --> 00:40:12,237 match because he's not faster than fucking electricity. Damn. Uh, the thing is, though, Arsenal saw 434 00:40:12,277 --> 00:40:17,859 her aiming at him, so he just moved slightly, like just in time, just enough so that the 435 00:40:17,919 --> 00:40:23,720 widow's bite just knocks off the ball cap that, you know, he usually wears. And with the knife 436 00:40:23,900 --> 00:40:28,102 in his hand that he pulled from his thigh, he's just going to flick that into her neck. and 437 00:40:28,142 --> 00:40:33,723 that's gonna sever her spinal column like a damn surgeon. So unfortunately for you, she 438 00:40:33,803 --> 00:40:39,305 is the one that is dead. You mean unfortunately for you, Arsenal was already electrocuted before 439 00:40:39,345 --> 00:40:45,366 he could even do that. Why? What do you mean why? Why not? Because he saw her aiming her 440 00:40:45,566 --> 00:40:50,428 arm at him because she fires those from her wrist bracelets, right? Yeah, so? He doesn't 441 00:40:50,448 --> 00:40:54,949 know what they do. No, she knows that she's gonna shoot something from them. He doesn't 442 00:40:54,969 --> 00:41:01,689 know that she has widow bites. He doesn't know shit. Agree to disagree, but I guess we can 443 00:41:01,709 --> 00:41:08,874 leave the match there. Either Arsenal gets his brain fried by her widow's bite, or she gets 444 00:41:08,994 --> 00:41:14,578 a knife thrown through her neck. Damn. Let's go ahead and input the character stats, run 445 00:41:14,598 --> 00:41:20,763 the simulations, and come back with a winner. Adrian 9K, hit it. Inputting data, running 446 00:41:20,783 --> 00:41:26,947 calculations, processing results, simulations complete. All right, this was a really good 447 00:41:27,007 --> 00:41:32,291 matchup. I didn't realize the characters had as many background similarities in being both 448 00:41:32,331 --> 00:41:37,095 hero and villain and being both spies and stuff like that. But they also were pretty similar 449 00:41:37,115 --> 00:41:42,100 when it came to their stats as well. Yeah, I knew right off the bat that Arsenal was going 450 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:47,204 to have an advantage over White Widow when it came to damage level. And I knew that he would 451 00:41:47,224 --> 00:41:51,647 probably have her when it came to range as well, just because, you know, being a marksman is 452 00:41:51,707 --> 00:41:57,100 all that he has. And he has a vast arsenal as well. But White Widow did have a few stats 453 00:41:57,260 --> 00:42:03,045 over Arsenal, including fighting skill and intelligence. Yeah, they went a little bit tit for tat in 454 00:42:03,085 --> 00:42:09,590 the stats, but any time one of them came out on top, it was just barely so. Like when it 455 00:42:09,630 --> 00:42:14,835 came to a lot of the physical stats like speed, evasiveness, durability, strength, they were 456 00:42:14,995 --> 00:42:22,081 even. Surprisingly, because I thought speedy would be speedier. So taking all of this into 457 00:42:22,121 --> 00:42:26,671 consideration. Joseph, who do you think came out on top in this match? I think it's going 458 00:42:26,691 --> 00:42:31,994 to be White Widow, because I think they're pretty evenly matched, and I think Luck is just on 459 00:42:32,054 --> 00:42:37,117 White Widow's side. Oh, I'm sorry, we do not have a Luck stat, so that is completely moot. 460 00:42:37,617 --> 00:42:43,460 Will our Instagram followers agree with me? In our poll, 53% said that White Widow would 461 00:42:43,500 --> 00:42:48,903 be Arsenal. Now, to be fair, though, I put up that poll super late. So there's still a chance 462 00:42:48,923 --> 00:42:51,825 that Arsenal could come out on top. If people thought Arsenal would win, they would vote 463 00:42:51,845 --> 00:42:58,645 for him. I don't want to hear your excuses. All right, well, AJ 9K, the results, please. 464 00:42:59,166 --> 00:43:08,352 Here you are, sir. The winner of the matchup between Arsenal and White Widow is... Arsenal! 465 00:43:08,853 --> 00:43:17,599 He won 54.6% of the 1000 matches compared to White Widow, who only won 45.4% or 454 total 466 00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:26,615 wins compared to Arsenal's 546%. But where does the drug dependency stat come into play? Cause 467 00:43:26,675 --> 00:43:33,417 I feel like at any given moment, it's most likely that Arsenal is just smacked up on heroin and 468 00:43:33,597 --> 00:43:38,038 White Widow barely has to do anything to even try. He's kicked the habit often enough where 469 00:43:38,218 --> 00:43:42,539 I don't think that would be the case. Uh, what you didn't account for, and I think why this 470 00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:46,900 is an appropriate win is that even during our speculation, like I didn't unleash Arsenal's 471 00:43:47,201 --> 00:43:53,824 full Arsenal, like I didn't use anything explosive. I didn't pull out any crossbows or rifles. 472 00:43:53,964 --> 00:43:58,287 Well, White Widow has explosives too. Yeah, but they can't go as far as Arsenaals can. 473 00:43:58,628 --> 00:44:04,693 You don't know that? Yeah, I do. Okay. I like 100% know that. All right. So yeah, Arsenaal 474 00:44:04,713 --> 00:44:10,458 wins. Go team DC. After that long break of duel episodes as we were doing reviews, it's nice 475 00:44:10,478 --> 00:44:15,262 to come back to a duel episode and get the win. And it will be nice for me to come back in 476 00:44:15,322 --> 00:44:19,565 our next duel episode after this one and teach you a lesson. What is the next duel episode? 477 00:44:20,050 --> 00:44:25,475 Our next duel episode is going to be the team duel, Outsiders vs X-Force. That's right. But 478 00:44:25,495 --> 00:44:29,479 that's not going to be next week, that's going to be in a couple weeks. Right, our next episode 479 00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:35,506 is actually going to be a review of Suicide Squad Isekai, the television series, and we're 480 00:44:35,526 --> 00:44:39,570 going to bring on a special guest for that. So look forward to that next week, but that 481 00:44:39,610 --> 00:44:47,256 does it for this duel. AJ9K, help close us out. Thanks for listening to Dynamic duel. Visit 482 00:44:47,276 --> 00:44:53,080 the show's website at dynamicduel.com and follow us on Instagram at dynamicduelpodcast. 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That's all for this episode. 487 00:45:15,246 --> 00:45:19,907 We want to give a big thanks to our executive producers, Ken Johnson, John Strosky, Zachary 488 00:45:19,927 --> 00:45:24,628 Hepburn, Dustin Balcom, Miggy Mathen-Geehan, Brandon Estregard, Nathaniel Wagner, Levi Yeaton, 489 00:45:24,808 --> 00:45:30,530 Austin Wazilowski, AJ Dunkerley, Scott Camacho, Gil Camacho, Adam Spies, Andrew Shunk, Dean 490 00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:36,291 Molesky, Devin Davis, Joseph Kershting, and Josh Leiner for helping make this podcast possible. 491 00:45:36,691 --> 00:45:41,473 And we'll talk to you guys next week. Up up and away, true believers. My ward is a junkie. 492 00:45:41,693 --> 00:45:42,893 He eats too much junk food.