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a weekly show where we review superhero films
and debate the superiority between Marvel and

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DC by comparing their characters in stat-based
Battle simulations. I'm Marvelous Joe and I'm

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his twin brother Johnny DC And this is our 91st
episode and part of the official countdown

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to our 100th episode Which we have a special
treat planned for you guys, but no hints just

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yet in this episode We'll be talking about who
would win in a fight between Clayface Venom.

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Yeah, it's in preparation for our Venom review,
which comes out this Friday. That came up like

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really quick Yeah, I kind of snuck up faster
than I thought it would for some reason I was

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thinking like mid-october, but no it's this
Friday that it's coming out So it's weird because

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we've been talking about this movie forever
and yet it still snuck up on me, right? Right.

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So yeah, look forward to that Venom movie review
next week, but in this episode again It's a

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dual episode and we'll get all up into that
later on after we go over the comic book movie

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news over the past week So we'll be talking
about the Dark Phoenix trailer and some of

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the other fox fuckery that's going on with release
dates and stuff like that. There was some casting

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for the Birds of Prey film. We got Huntress
and Black Canary cast. We got a new trailer

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for the Titans show that's on DC Universe in
the US, but apparently it's also moving to

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Netflix internationally. And finally, there
was a new trailer for the Runaway season two

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that's coming to Hulu. And we'll just talk briefly
about that. Yeah, and just quick heads up,

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of the Dynamic Duel No Prize that we award to
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slash dynamic duel and help us reach that goal.
And speaking of no prizes, It's No Prize time.

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So No Prize is an award that Marvel used to
give out up until the 90s to fans. Our version,

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the Dynamic Dual No Prize, is a digital award
that we post on social media that I personally

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draw for those who we feel gave the best answer
to our question of the week. Last week's question

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was, what MCU character do you most want to
see get their own limited series on Disney

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Play and what particular storyline do you hope
to see with them? And this is coming up the

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news from last week that the Disney Play streaming
app will feature original limited series starring

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the characters and actors from the MCU films,
which was exciting news. So we got a lot of

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great answers on this one. It was so damn hard
to pick a winner from the selection of answers,

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but, you know, gun to my head, I had to choose,
so that's what we did. But first up, honorable

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mention to Karen Diekmann, who gave the answer
of Rocket Raccoon. It's the perfect answer.

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I would love to see a limited series just based
off Rocket Raccoon going off of his history

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as an experiment. You know? Andy Freeman gets
honorable mention as well for answering Gambit.

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I'm not sure if the X-Men characters are going
to be a part of the MCU by the time this rolls

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out. Well, I mean, I think it's a great way
to introduce these characters prior to introducing

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them in the films. Like, establish their backstory
right away in their own individual limited

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series, and then show them on the films as a
team unit. And honestly, I know we're going

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to be talking about the Gambit movie later on
in this episode, but at this point, the movie's

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been pushed back so far. already that you may
as well just forget about the movie and throw

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it on the small screen. In an ideal world that
would happen. Yeah. Also honorable mention

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to Mitchell Phipps, who gave the answer Quicksilver,
which yeah, absolutely. We did not get enough

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Quicksilver in Avengers Age of Ultron. Right.
It would be great to find out more about the

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character. I'm still hoping they resurrect him
in the next Avengers film. Right. But if they

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don't, what's great about this is- you could
still bring those characters back to do these

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shows. Yeah, it's possible that you may have
that version of Quicksilver in the announced

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Scarlet Witch limited series that they're gonna
do on Disney Play. Yeah, maybe. But yeah, I'd

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like to see Quicksilver also get his own show.
That'd be cool. Also honorable mention to Jace

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Crump, who gave the answer Winter Soldier. Oh
god, that would be so fantastic. To like follow

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him through the years, since the 1940s when
he became the Winter Soldier. Yeah, it'd be

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like a spy show. Yeah, so fantastic. That would
be a great, great time. Also honorable mention

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to Jacob Bell who gave the answer the Hulk and
he specifically was looking for the planet

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Hulk storyline It's probably like his like lost
days while he was on Sakaar. Right? Yeah prior

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to Thor arriving on that planet I think that
would make for some pretty interesting viewing

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as well She's gonna see like Hulk's rise through
the gladiator ranks Yeah, and you know becoming

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a favorite of the Grandmaster and stuff like
that. Yeah, that would be so cool Also honorable

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mention to Dan Baker who gave the answer of
M'Baku who's the leader of the White Gorilla

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Clan in the Black Panther movie. I can't see
how you could not do a series with him and

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see the White Gorilla Clan evolve through the
ages until M'Baku became the king and see just

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what, kind of like the day-to-day life is there.
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goes to Ariana Quadra, who actually gave my
favorite answer in Adam Warlock, because who

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knows if we're gonna get Guardians of the Galaxy
3? And this may be a fantastic opportunity

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to see, like, that dangling thread that may
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convinced that we are going to get Guardians
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stated that they're working off of James Gunn's
script. They just need to find a director and

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I don't think there's a timetable for that.
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in the third Guardians of the Galaxy movie.
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answer. That being said, if there's never a
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then yeah, I would love to see an Adam Warlock
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storyline picks up after the after credits scene
in Guardians 2. The winner of the no prize

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for this week though goes to Adrian Maines who
gave the answer of Thanos. He wants to see

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a Thanos limited series involving the character
taking place prior to the events of Infinity

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War and in his early history. Which I think
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Thanos's early days on Titan and the death of
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Yeah, life as a space pirate and things like
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He is definitely one of the more like intriguing
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yeah, he's in he's intriguing in terms of, you
know, his character and his philosophy and

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things like that. We got to know him pretty
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learn much more about his history. So let's
see that. Yeah. Congrats to Adrian once again.

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And if you, the listener, are interested in
winning a dynamic duel, no prize. Keep listening

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to the rest of the episode where we'll give
this week's question of the week. With that

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out of the way, onto the news.

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Alright, so the first trailer for the Dark Phoenix
film dropped this past week. And, you know,

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it wasn't quite the shit show that I thought
it was going to be, but it's still not necessarily

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what I'm looking for from the X-Men franchise.
It doesn't look poorly directed. Like, the

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cinematography looks good. Oh yeah, Simon Kimberg
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going to do with a lot of these shots. Yeah.
The cinematography at times almost looks artful.

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throughout the course of this trailer, and that
might be the most surprising thing. Yeah, there's

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not a lot of special effects in this trailer,
but it still looks pretty cool. Yeah. That

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being said, I don't know if it looks good. That's
true. The trailer starts off, we see young

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Jean Grey as she's meeting Professor X, and
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up an orphan and going to stay at the mansion.
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as we know, if you listen to our Phoenix versus
Raven episode and the comics, Jean Grey, was

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present as her best friend died and was hit
by a car and telepathically experienced her

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friend's emotions as she died. In this case,
they kind of made young Jean Grey to be a little

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bit more of a sinister character than what I'm
used to seeing. Yeah, she's definitely dark.

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They definitely put the dark in Dark Phoenix
in this film. Yeah, like, I guess the question

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I have regarding the character of Jean Grey
in this film is, is she actually evil? Because

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that's not, that was never the case in the comics.
In the comics, we know that she was trapped

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underwater and about to die. but a cosmic entity
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her, like wrapped her in a cocoon of energy,
and then took on her form and pretended to

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be her, and was easily corrupted and super powerful.
And it wasn't really Jean Grey. It was just

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a manifestation of Jean Grey by the cosmic entity
known as the Phoenix Force. Right, right, right.

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The initial idea that Claremont had when writing
the Dark Phoenix storyline was that the Phoenix

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was actually Jean Grey reaching her utmost.
potential of her mutant powers and it corrupted

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her. And then only later on when they wanted
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that it wasn't her at all. That it wasn't her
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so that original concept that Claremont had
for the Dark Phoenix was explored in the X-Men

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The Last Stand film. Yeah. Where Jean Grey reached
her like her peak power and it corrupted her.

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Exactly. So we've seen that side explored. We've
seen the story before. Yes. I was hoping that

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in this version of the Dark Phoenix story, it
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And that may be the case because we do get some
shots in the trailer of them like in outer

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space. That's not going to be the case because
we have already seen her become the Phoenix

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in the last Apocalypse movie. That's true. So
it's going to be her. It's not going to be

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this cosmic force. She might be empowered through
these cosmic rays or something like that in

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space. I'm not sure exactly what's going on
in that last shot, which actually looks amazing.

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All this. fire or radiation or something. Oh
yeah, that's the coolest shot in the film for

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sure. Like being absorbed into her? Yeah. Yeah,
I don't know what's going on there. I mean,

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it couldn't be the Phoenix Force going into
her, right? Because we've already seen that.

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They would have a lot of explaining to do in
the apocalypse. Right, because she manifested

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the firebird in that last movie. So it's bizarre.
I don't even think they know what they're doing.

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Speaking of the last movie, where the fuck are
those awesome costumes that they had at the

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end of that film in this movie? They're back
to like their first class costumes. Yeah, it's

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kind of like a mixture of their first class
costumes and the costumes that they had during

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Grant Morrison's run on the comics. I'm super
bummed about that. I was really looking forward

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to seeing, you know, the early 90s era X-Men
costumes like they had in the comics. Like

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the Jim Lee costumes. Yeah, those were so cool
in the comics and it's just a wasted opportunity.

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It's like they wanted to save money or something
like that. One thing I've noticed about this

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trailer is that like all of the voiceover, like
dialogue is like really subdued. Yeah, like

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Jessica Chastain's character. Like I know they're
like talking in a church, but like she's like

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barely getting her voice out of her mouth and
the same thing with like Charles later on,

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oh my God, you're right. Now that I think about
it, like 80% of this dialogue is just above

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a whisper. They're like, I can't believe what
you did. She's changing into what? And it's

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like, the rage. Even when the action is going,
it's pretty interesting. Yeah, exactly. Doesn't

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get me excited for it. Like, I mean. If they
want to get me excited, like, should I have

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some? Well, you want them to yell or what? I
don't know. I think it may just be the approach

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that they took in regards to the editing of
this. I think they wanted it to be a slow burn

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kind of thing. It's too slow. I'm sure the whole
movie won't be like that. We see Jean visit

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Magneto on the mutant island of Genosha. Oh,
really? Yeah, I'm not sure why she goes to

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visit him because he does stay in the trailer.
Like, you didn't come here asking for advice.

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You came here looking for permission. For what?
To be a bad person? It raises a good question.

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Permission to do what? Like, what does she want
to do? Does she want to be evil? If that case,

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I have huge problems with that because that's
not the gene that I know. Right. I didn't know

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Genosha was in this film. That's pretty cool.
It doesn't look like Genosha. That's how you

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didn't know it was Genosha. But you see the
island and then, you know, she goes onto it

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and Magneto's living there with other mutants.
It is Genosha. It's just nothing like in the

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comics because in the comics, Genosha is this
big futuristic kind of mutant haven city. And

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it gets destroyed. Yeah, by Sentinels. And yeah,
this place looks like a dump, honestly. It

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does. They saved some money on that for sure.
We get our first look at Jessica Chastain as

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this alien person. Still not sure who it is.
I guess Simon Kimberg was saying it's an amalgam

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of different characters within the Marvel universe.
Dumb. I couldn't tell you which characters.

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Why don't you just use the characters that you're
given? Why do you have to make shit up? Like,

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damn it. Exactly, it's kind of hard to tell
what kind of role this character is going to

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have. she must be pretty important, especially
with an actor like Jessica Chastain behind

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her. I'm guessing she's the movie's primary
antagonist. Yeah. I'm guessing. It seems like

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she's trying to manipulate Dark Phoenix in some
way, to what end I have no idea. But yeah,

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we see Jean Grey pull off some telekinetic feats,
like tossing cop cars into the air and knocking

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a helicopter over and things like that. And
just basically dealing with a lot of stress,

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it looks like. Yeah. And everybody's getting
mad at Professor X for inhibiting her psychic

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abilities at an early age. Right. But, you know,
I mean, he did it in the comics, so he didn't

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really. do that in the comics so much as he
blocked her telepathy completely at an early

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age until he felt that she was mature enough
basically to use those powers responsibly.

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That's why she had just telekinesis for a long
time in the comics. So yeah, this whole mental

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manipulation thing has precedent, but they seem
way more pissed at him here in these movies.

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Yeah, like Hank, I'm still so sick of seeing
Hank McCoy not as Beast and Mystique not as

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Mystique. Right. Not Blue? It sucks, man. It's
like, if they don't care enough about these

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characters, it really makes me not care. It's
like a really big important part of the character.

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More so with Beast than Mystique. Well, Mystique
is supposed to be mutant and proud. Right.

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And Beast, the whole tragedy of the character
is that he can't cure himself and that he is

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uncomfortable with the creature that he is.
So yeah, you're taking away this depth from

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these characters that is so vital to who they
are. What are these rates going back to Marvel

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again? Exactly. Fuck. You know who does look
pretty spot-on? Ty Sheridan as Cyclops. I think

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as he's kind of aged over the years since he
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I think he's kind of grown into a young James
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He has that confident demeanor about him, I
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Toward the end of the trailer, Magneto says,
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it now and we see Jean Grey kind of giving off
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really reminiscent of X-Men The Last Stand.
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photos where like she has fire around her and
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to see that. I am again disappointed that they're
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this whole thing, I feel like they should just
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you know, the very last shot of the trailer
says Dark Phoenix, February 14th. Now the fucking

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day after this trailer dropped, they changed
the date to June 7th. Why, Fox? Why? What are

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they doing? I have no idea. The day after this
trailer dropped. It's like, did they not know

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that they were planning this release date? And
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Why not just wait a day and make sure that the
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it without knowing what they were doing. I'm
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York Comic Con. release like it was released
just for that or if this is attached to any

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kind of film and theaters right now, it might
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but if it is, it's gonna confuse the shit out
of everyone. Yeah, they're gonna need to change

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the trailer that they sent out to be attached
to other films. Yeah. And that wasn't the only

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release date that they changed. Fox was originally
going to have Alita Battle Angel, which is

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a Japanese comic opening alongside Aquaman this
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I don't know what the fuck that's about either.
I mean, it was probably a good idea to move

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Alita Battle Angel away from Aquaman and Bumblebee
because those both come out that same day and

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they're definitely hitting the same target audience.
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or what is allegedly a PG-13 version of Deadpool.
Yeah, that's the rumor. Is bonkers in my mind.

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Who wants that? The appeal of the Deadpool movies
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away the R rating, you take away a lot of the
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bite. And apparently they're shooting some new
footage where Deadpool is reading a bedtime

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story to Fred Savage, I think. Right. Yeah.
Brian Reddell's released some kind of still

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of that, like on his Twitter. Yeah. It's in
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But is that additional footage enough to warrant
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I already have the Super Duper cut and the theatrical
cut at home. It's like, yeah, is this like

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another film that we have to review? How different
is it going to be? I don't know. I guess we'll

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have to go. fucking watch it in theaters. Again.
Even though I have the movie at home. I'm fucking

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watching Aquaman. I don't know what you're doing.
I'm gonna watch Aquaman. You go watch Aquaman,

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I'll go watch Deadpool because I'd rather see
a Marvel movie anyway. What you've already

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seen, what you've already paid for several times.
Oh God. I don't know what Fox is thinking.

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I think they're trying to make as many fuck
ups as possible before handing the rights to

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these properties over to Disney. What's the
cash grab? They don't give a fuck. It's a huge

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cash grab. They're trying to cement all of these
projects and get as many projects out as they

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can, including Gambit. Yeah, including Gambit,
which has gotten a new release date. Yet again,

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it's going to be released March 13th, 2020,
which is so late. It's like I already want

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the X-Men to be with Marvel by that time. Right.
Exactly. Well, the deal with Disney will go

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through at the end of this year, which puts
this Gambit film like at the last possible

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moment prior to the Disney switch over. So I'm
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yet again, and then just struck off the calendar
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has been describing the film recently. Like,
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being like, some kind of like, a heist film.
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sexy comedy. What the hell? I think they may
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as a comedic actor in that regard, but I mean...
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anyway, because the character of Gambit has
a lot of charm. And if you've read any of the

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Gambit solo series, there's humor in them as
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comedy genre with this film for it to be appealing.
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when it was described as a heist film, since
Gambit, he's a thief. So that would have been

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great. I don't know what this is gonna be. It
sounds like it's gonna be like 21 Jump Street

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in the X-Men universe. I know, it's gonna get
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that. Right? Actually, I might go see that.
As like a fan project, that would be just absolutely

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fantastic. But as like an official, uh, like
canon kind of thing. Yeah, that's not something

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I'm too interested in at all. You know what
Fox made no mention of? Was New Mutants. That's

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true. That's still scheduled to come out next
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they didn't mention it being moved or anything
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to think that them moving the X-Men Dark Phoenix
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more confidence in the film as a summer blockbuster.
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a good spot in the Chinese film calendar, at
least scheduled, because there was like another

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film that it was going up against, a Chinese
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Okay, yeah, the Chinese market is huge now,
so that makes sense to me. But yeah, that one

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pretty much does it for all that fox fuckery.
I'm so done talking about it. Oh my gosh. Onto

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DC news. Mary Elizabeth Winstead has been cast
as Huntress and Journey Smollett Bell has been

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cast as Black Canary in the Birds of Prey film,
which I'm really excited about Mary Elizabeth

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Winstead as the Huntress. I think she's gonna
make a fantastic Helena Bertinelli. And you

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can learn more about the Huntress in our Huntress
versus Jessica Jones match. But I think she'll

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make a really good mafia princess. Oh yeah,
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rounds of fan casting for years now. So it's
cool to see that she finally got a role as

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a superhero. Yeah, what I also like about her
is that she's a lead actress, right? If you

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look at films like Cloverfield Lane or Scott
Pilgrim? She was the female lead for sure.

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The Thing. The Thing, there you go. Does she
come across as Italian to you? Sure, why not?

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She can. Okay, I'm excited about this casting.
The other casting, not so much. I have no idea

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who Journey Smollett Bell is. She doesn't really
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mean, I knew that they were gonna go for a diversity
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I mean, if you put a blonde wig on her, I'm
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I'm not unhappy with this casting choice. By
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taking the word black and Black Canary and changing
its meaning? Because are they gonna think now

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that she's called black canary because she's
black are people gonna be saying well Why don't

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you just call her canary? Why do you why does
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is black? They better not do that. I hope people
understand that this character has existed

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For a really long time since the 50s. Yeah,
probably around longer than a lot of them have

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been alive So there's precedence for her name
as black canary, you know, someone's gonna

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bring it up if they haven't already but I don't
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about it. My biggest concern with her is not
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afraid she's not lead actress material. Well,
Black Canary is like the leader of the Birds

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of Prey in the comics. Sort of, I mean, it's
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know Oracle isn't in this film, so when it came
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to go with someone who could really, really
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And that really has me concerned. I know that
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show in a way, but I always kind of saw this
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Prey characters, at which point Margot Robbie's
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would still have this franchise of the Birds
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exit this franchise after sort of like, you
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actresses? I was hoping for more. She might
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There were auditions. She has to be. Yeah, I
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these roles. Yeah, now I'm wondering if the
reason why they did the race spending for the

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Black Canary character was because they didn't
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they wanted to diversify the look a little bit
more, which I'm all for. But yeah, you're right

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regarding the actresses themselves, because
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member of the Birds of Prey team. So if they
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You have to cast an additional character on
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Yeah, who is another strong leading actress.
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Absolutely. Now I'm not so sure where this franchise
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for however many sequels they have for this,
if it's a success, which kind of bothers me

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because I really wanted her to become a part
of Gotham City Sirens. Right. And she's part

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of Suicide Squad 2. Exactly. She can't be in
everything. Yeah, she can't be a part of the

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villain's team and also be part of this group
of heroines. Ideally not. It's contradictory.

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They set her up as such a villain in Suicide
Squad. Yeah, I mean, a compelling one who definitely

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could have a redemptive arc, but she can't stay
there. Right, that's not the nature of the

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character. Not at all, not at all. But this
all brings us to our question of the week.

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Who would you have cast as Huntress and Black
Canary? Post your answers to our Instagram,

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Twitter, Facebook, or email us at dyna We'll
pick our favorite answer and draw that person

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at dynamicduelnoprize that we'll post to social
media. Yeah, we're looking for really interesting

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fan castings here, it's a lot of fun to think
about. Let's move on to the second trailer

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we got for The Titans Show. Yeah, what's really
interesting about it was that it was a Netflix

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trailer. And Netflix was saying, it was like,
it's an original show only for Netflix. I was

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like, what are you talking about? No, it's not.
I mean, I understand that this trailer was

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probably meant for international audiences,
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That we know of. I mean, we don't know that
yet, do we? Yeah, we do know that. It's only

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been secured for international distribution.
Oh. Right. I was assuming that after it ran

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its course on the DC Universe streaming app,
that it was gonna make its way to Netflix for

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everybody else to see it. No, it's only gonna
be international. Interesting. Because DC Universe

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is not, apparently not going to be, an international
product. Okay, gotcha. So they still want to

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release this series to international audiences
and the way they're going to be able to do

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that is through Netflix. Gotcha, gotcha. But
it's not a Netflix original, once again. Yeah,

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it was a story trailer. Like the first trailer
that we got was much more of like a teaser,

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kind of giving the vibe of the overall show.
But this one delved a lot deeper into the story

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that we're going to get. Yeah, absolutely. It
starts at a police station when they're examining

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Robin like on these screens. I guess it's first
appearance in Detroit. Which I'm surprised

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they chose the city of Detroit because as far
as I know, the Titans have never been based

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in Detroit. The Titans tower was in Manhattan,
like an island off Manhattan, I believe. Uh

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huh. So or at least Bloodhaven, you would think.
Yeah, it was surprising. But, you know, we

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get better looks at like Dick Grayson's arc
as to like why he left Batman and things like

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that. And also Ravens. Those two seem to be
like the biggest parts of the show. Biggest

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characters. Definitely. We also got better looks
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Yeah, apparently Beast Boy has to get naked
to use his powers, which was revealed a little

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bit more in a clip that they released as part
of a series of four clips earlier before they

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dropped this trailer. But, uh, that, that bothers
me to some extent for sure. Um, how does he

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do it in the, in the comics? Like, don't, don't
worry about it. He doesn't wear clothes when

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he becomes an animal. And when he comes out
of animal form, he has clothes again. How does

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that work? Don't worry about it. It just happens.
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baby scenario that's played out around Raven
and her mom and like this like cult that's

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coming after her. This whole thing essentially
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to help Raven. Like even Starfire says, I've
been looking for you. You know, I'm here to

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protect you in the trailer. Yeah. So our first
time hearing Starfire speak, she definitely

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doesn't come across as this naive kind of alien.
She's coming across as Hardened protector kind

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of figure. Mm-hmm. I don't know. I'm not sure
quite what to make of her yet in the role Mm-hmm,

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but everyone else seems to be pretty decent
except for I forget the actress's name who

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plays Raven I'm still not sold on her. Yeah,
she delivers a few of those lines pretty awkwardly

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I think it seems so much like younger than everyone
else and I know the actress is so that's probably

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why yeah Maybe they like try to set up some
kind of like romantic flirtation between her

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and Beast Boy in this trailer and I couldn't
understand what they were saying. It was a

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little cringe-worthy. I was like, what are you
guys doing? You like each other's hair? Okay,

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all right, cool. We did see that Beast Boy's
skin only turns green when he's about to transform,

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which kind of sucks. That's a budget thing.
It is absolutely a budget thing. And it seems

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like the only thing he could turn into is a
tiger. That's the only thing we see him transform

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into in this trailer. Who is the cult of people
that are going after Raven? I assume it's some

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kind of like Trigon worshipping cult. Like Brother
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is, which is kind of cool that we get to see
Brother Blood as an antagonist and definitely,

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you know, hearkens back to the comics. But I'm
not 100% certain. All in all, that's pretty

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much it for the trailer. I think it got me a
little bit more excited for the show. I mean,

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it debuts pretty soon here at New York Comic-Con.
So we're definitely gonna get our first impressions

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of it. It was definitely a better trailer than
the first one that we got. I agree. There was

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no fuck Batman in it. So already a plus. It
should have been the first one that they released.

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in all honesty, but perhaps they didn't have
the effects done in time or whatever. I agree.

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Yeah. Speaking of television shows going direct
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we got the trailer for the second season of
Runaways. Now if you've been listening to this

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podcast for a while, you'll know that I was
not a fan at all of Runaways season one. I

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think they botched the concept of the comic
book series in itself and the fact that in

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the show they weren't even really Runaways until
the very last episode. It was more of just

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a high school teen drama with some elements
from the comics. However, in the second season,

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judging from the looks of this trailer, it looks
to be much better. There's a whole lot more

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action going on. They're actually using their
powers. They're actually runaways this time.

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They're actually fighting their parents. It
was kind of like a cool showcase overall to

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see, like, what each character could do. Right.
And it looks like for the second season, they're

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releasing all the episodes at once. So while
I'm not. Still too terribly excited for the

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show because the first season left such a bad
taste in my mouth. You know, I'll watch the

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second season and if it's good, we will be reviewing
it on this podcast early in January sometime

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or maybe later in January since there's so much
kind of bottlenecks toward the end of this

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year. Wait, when is this released? This is being
released in December, December 21st actually.

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Okay, okay. The same day that Aquaman comes
to theaters. Okay, of course. I should have

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known. Why did I even have to ask? Damn it.
So yeah, we'll be getting our Marvel superhero

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action two times that day with both the untitled
Deadpool movie and the runaways so dumb So

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dumb I should have known I got excited when
Daredevil was Magically not gonna be released

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on the same day as the DC film, but now this
a fucking course. Yep But no, I have to say

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that the special effects for the second season
look pretty fantastic Yeah, they look better

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than the titan show That's for sure. It does.
It looks like it has a movie special effects

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budget, especially with old lace He looks a
lot better in this trailer than he did in season

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one I think yeah, and we see Chase use the fistagons
and we see Carolina with her powers That looks

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that always looked amazing actually that looked
pretty good in season one, too But everything

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just looks better I guess is what I'm trying
to say if you haven't seen the Marvel Runaway

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season 2 trailer yet Go ahead and check it out
on YouTube. I'm gonna say If you were a fan

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of the Runaways comics and haven't seen Runaway
season one yet, don't even bother. Like maybe

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check out the first episode and then we'll all
watch season two together and see what that's

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like. Okay, I was gonna ask you, like if we
are gonna review this on the show, am I gonna

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have to watch the entirety of season one? I
would recommend that you don't do that because

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you'll be bored out of your fucking mind. Because
if you were gonna say yes, I was gonna be like,

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uh, hell no. I would recommend seeing the first
episode actually because that's that was pretty

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much Runaway's issue number one right there
Oh really and then from here just assume that

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they run away and are dealing with the stuff
that they are now in season two Okay, I can

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do that. Yeah, so yeah, that's pretty much all
I have to say about that trailer and with all

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the news out of the way Let's go ahead and get
into our duel where we pick clay face versus

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venom and see who would actually win in a fight
Let's do it

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Alright, Clayface versus Venom. Why did we pit
these two characters against each other? Well,

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because the Venom movie was coming out and you
asked me who would be a good match against

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Venom. And I've always wanted to see Clayface.
A lot of people pit Bane against Venom. To

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me, that's not even a match. And a lot of people
pit Sandman against Clayface, which I think

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is almost too equal of a match. I mean, I feel
like that would result in a 50-50 split. So

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I feel like this Venom versus Clayface fight
has enough variables in it. to actually be

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a toss-up, but in a good way. Like I have no
idea who's actually gonna win this. Right,

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yeah, I have no idea either. And I also think
that there's some similarities between Clayface

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and Venom that you'll hear in the profile for
Clayface. They'll be like, oh yeah, this is

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a good match. They both have freaky faces, they
both have like fluidic bodies. They can both

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shape shift, you know. There's a lot of similarities
in the powers, but also enough differences

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to make this just interesting enough, I think.
Yeah, yeah. Plus I think it's a great kickoff

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to the Halloween month. They're both villains.
This is sort of our villain episode of the

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year. Typically, we reserve that for our Halloween
episode, but it's coming a little bit early.

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Yeah, because, well, we'll be reviewing Daredevil
season two around that time just before Halloween.

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So, yeah. Yeah. So if you haven't listened to
one of our dual episodes before, the way we

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determine the winner is we take each character
stats and we run them through a thousand simulations

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using a probabilistic model known as the Monte
Carlo method, which is used practically in

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a lot of different ways, such as through artificial
intelligence and risk assessment and stuff

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like that. Basically what it does is it randomizes
their stats along a bell curve in a standard

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deviation. It compares the numbers and the one
with the higher numbers over a thousand times

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basically is the winner. Right. Yeah, we get
a percentage of wins. So it's math. There's

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no bias. There's no fan votes. We don't take
into account uncharacteristic feats of strength.

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It's just base stats based off of the Marvel
power rankings, which are official. And we

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extrapolate the DC stats from that same criteria.
Right. And sometimes we also throw in additional

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stats. depending on the match, if we think those
attributes are vital to the fight or not. Right.

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But before we get into the simulations and the
stats and everything like that, we like to

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go into the histories of each character and
then after that speculate on how we think a

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battle scenario between the two characters would
actually pan out. So let's go ahead and start

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with the history of Clayface because I'm interested
in hearing about this because I don't know

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too much about the character and he's always
been one of I think Batman's more formidable

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villains and because he actually has powers,
you know? Yeah, yeah. He's definitely an iconic

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villain. I remember seeing him for the first
time in the comic and just really liking that

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villain. He's a really, really interesting villain.
But Clayface is actually the name of Batman

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super villains used by about 10 different characters
in DC Comics. What? Yeah. I thought it was

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the actor guy from the animated series. Yeah,
except that they used the name of a different

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Clayface for that character, the actor character
that is Clayface. I'm not sure why. Okay, interesting.

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Yeah. So the original Clayface was a Golden
Age character named Basil Carlo, created by

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Bob Kane in 1940. Carlo was an actor known for
playing a disfigured villain named Clayface

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in a popular horror film called Dread Castle.
It's kind of like Boris Karloff who played,

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you know, the mummy in Frankenstein. Yeah, it
was partially inspired by him. Okay, but in

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the film he wore a grotesque mask for the role
and when he found out that the film was being

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remade without him, He was driven mad and donning
the clay face mask went on a murder spree.

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Wow. He killed several actors of the new film's
cast until he was stopped by Batman and Robin

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and imprisoned in Arkham Asylum. Decades later,
a treasure hunter named Matt Hagen discovered

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an underground cavern that contained a glowing
rainbow colored protoplasm. That was actually

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the name of the character in the animated series.
Right. So having accidentally fallen into the

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pool of the protoplasm, Hagen emerged with a
malleable clay-like body and, with effort,

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became capable of shaping his body into any
person or object he could visualize. The effect

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lasted for only about 48 hours, at which point
he would regain his normal form until he once

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again submerged himself in the protoplasm. Hagen,
the new clay face, went on several robberies

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before he was captured by Batman, who had discovered
Hagen's underground cavern and destroyed it.

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Hagen broke out of prison and using a small
supply of the protoplasm he had stored before

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the cavern was destroyed, he was able to synthesize
a lesser version of the protoplasm that gave

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him transformative abilities for five hours.
This synthetic version, however, took a toll

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on his body and he eventually had trouble holding
any shape, forcing him to retire. Oh wow. A

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start-up scientist named Preston Payne took
an interest in Hagen as he was seeking a cure

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for his own chronic hyper-pituitaryism, which
results in physical deformities. After injecting

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himself with an enzyme from Hagen's blood, Payne
gained the brief ability to transform his appearance,

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though it wasn't long before he began losing
control over his form and found that his physical

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touch caused others to melt into a blob, a new
ability for this new clay face. Payne developed

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an exoskeleton containment suit to hold his
form. but realized that he needed to touch

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and liquefy others in order to somehow transfer
his own physical suffering of slowly melting.

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His guilt drove him insane, and he hid in a
wax museum where he conversed and fell in love

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with wax figures before he was found by Batman
and treated at Arkham Asylum. Hmm, wow. Now

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a woman named Sandra Fuller became the new Clayface
after a terrorist cult led by the villain Cobra.

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researched and recreated events that created
some of Batman's most dangerous rogues. Fuller,

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who had hated her own face, agreed to undergo
the Clayface procedure, and subsequently gained

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the ability to transform her shape without the
danger of losing control over her form, nor

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the time limit that the now-deceased Matt Hagen
suffered from. The original Clayface, the Golden

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Age actor Boris Carlo, was not dead, however,
and Fuller visited him out of curiosity as

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he languished in a prison hospital. Concocting
a plan to get revenge on Batman, Carlo recommended

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to Fuller that she and Pain join forces to defeat
Batman. Fuller broke Pain out of Arkham, and

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Carlo injected himself with the blood of both
clayfaces to become the ultimate clayface,

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with all of their abilities and strengths. The
three clayfaces, calling themselves the Mud

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Pack, took on Batman. and his team of outsiders,
only to fall when Karlo's powers were overloaded

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and he became merged with the ground beneath
him. Payne and Fuller on the other hand fled

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the fight, fell in love while they were on the
run, and had a child named Cassius Clay Payne,

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who would later grow into a fifth version of
the Clayface character. Wait, Cassius Clay,

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why does that sound familiar? It's Muhammad
Ali's real name. Right. Yeah, that's interesting.

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It was a play on words. Huh. when a cataclysmic
earthquake struck Gotham City, turning it into

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a no-man's land. He emerged now with strong,
sharp quartz crystals growing out of him, and

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would have defeated Batman too if it hadn't
been for Mr. Freeze claiming the right to killing

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the Dark Knight and interfering. Karlo eventually
teamed up with Poison Ivy to help feed the

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remaining people of Gotham during No Man's Land,
but he was sunk into the ground once again

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after he tried to double cross Ivy. Karlo later
emerged as a Wonder Woman foe, after he deduced

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that he could absorb some of her power since,
at the time, her origin involved her being

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fashioned by the Amazons from clay. You can
learn more about Wonder Woman in our Wonder

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Woman vs. Thor episode. Karlo's plan worked.
Actually, he became much stronger, and Wonder

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Woman was de-aged to a teenager for a time.
Karlo was returned to a standard clay-faced

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self when he was tricked into a train car with
Wonder Woman. and her sidekick Donna Troy used

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the Lasso of Truth to spin the car like a centrifuge,
causing Wonder Woman's Clay to separate from

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his own. Weird. After unsuccessful stints as
a member of the Injustice League and Secret

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Society of Supervillains, Karlo felt defeated
and disillusioned with the villain lifestyle.

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Seeking to reform, Clayface became a valuable
ally in Batman's Gotham Knights team during

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the post-New 52 slash Rebirth era. of DC Comics,
up until his eventual death at the hands of

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Batwoman to prevent him from going off on a
rampage. So as mentioned earlier, Karlo is

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the ultimate Clayface. He can control his shape,
size, and density and alter his form to mimic

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anyone else, right down to their DNA. He's super
strong and durable and has a corrosive touch

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that can liquefy and absorb others if he chooses.

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to create sentient sections of himself that
can bond with other humans, turning them into

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clay things with shape-shifting abilities. Like
zombies? I was thinking more like symbiotes.

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Oh, okay. Well, Venom doesn't really do that.
No, well, my clay face in this match won't,

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because I'm going with the, probably the most
popular clay face, which is Basilcarlo. Okay.

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Cool, all right. Well, his power set is actually
not too similar to Venom's. except for the

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fact that they could both shape shift. But yeah,
that was a fairly interesting backstory. A

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lot of stuff in there that I had no idea and
each Clayface character seemed pretty unique

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and interesting on their own. Yeah, yeah. And
yeah, they're all kind of tied together. Right.

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So yeah, let's go ahead and get into Venom.
So Venom's a cool badass character, first and

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foremost, I think because of his appearance.
My exec and Todd McFarland did a great job

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with Venom's design. His monstrous shark-like
grin with rows of sharp teeth are the stuff

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of nightmares. and his null holds barred violent
approach to attacking his enemies, be he a

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villain or an anti-hero, is a unique alternative
to the more morally grounded superhero fare.

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Venom is not bound by any sort of societal principles.
He will literally tear your head off and eat

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your brain, all in the name of protecting the
innocent. And who else does that? I think he

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fulfills a particular sci-fi horror niche, the
Xenomorph of the Marvel Universe. Oh yeah.

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And like the Xenomorphs of the Alien movie franchise,
Venom's backstory began on an alien world hatched

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from an egg discovered by scientists. These
particular scientists were Kree aliens who

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studied the hatchlings called Klintar, the alien
race that Venom is a part of. Klintar are symbiotic,

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fluidic beings that need to attach to other
lifeforms for survival, and in exchange grant

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their host immense power. As a species, they
were created in the universe's infancy by a

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primordial deity named Null, as a biological
weapon against celestials and their creations,

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a way to dominate all other life forms. Kind
of like Galactus. I would say that Gnall and

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Galactus are allies in that regard. Through
the millennia, the Klintar species rebelled

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from their creator's goal in an effort to lead
a more peaceful existence, though individual

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symbiotes can easily become corrupted if their
host is malevolent and full of hate. To that

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end, the symbiotes try and bond with hosts that
are pure of heart. In instances in which members

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of the race are corrupted, Those Klyntar are
exiled and cut off from the Hivemind. And just

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a heads up for the purpose of this backstory,
when I say Venom I'm referring to the symbiote

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itself and not just his merger with Eddie Brock
because in the comics he wasn't referred to

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as Venom until that joining. So yeah, Venom
is the symbiote in this story. The Kree used

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the symbiotes they found to empower their deep
cover spies during the Kree-Skrull War. Venom

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was attached to and trained with a soldier named
Telkar, but lost his first host, when Telkar's

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ship crash-landed on an icy planet. Venom then
bonded with an alien warrior who used the symbiote

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to commit genocide on his ice planet, exposing
Venom to hate and rage, corrupting him. After

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leaving that host, he managed to unite with
some of his Klyntar brethren, though they unfortunately

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were also corrupted. Venom, despite all his
rage and suffering, was different from his

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corrupted siblings in that he desired to bond
with and protect his hosts instead of dominating

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and eventually draining them. Venom's siblings
rebuked him for this and confined his formless

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body in a machine-like prison, a contraption
that was later incorporated into Battleworld.

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Battleworld was an arena-like planet composed
of hundreds of other planets by an all-powerful

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being called the Beyonder, who pit Marvel heroes
in a secret war against villains to see who

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would win in a fight of good versus evil. While
on Battleworld, Spider-Man came across Venom's

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prison, thinking the device would upgrade his
damaged costume. Venom was released and bonded

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with Spider-Man who was unaware of the symbiote's
existence or nature, but did discover that

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his new black costume made him much more powerful.
After the events of Secret Wars, Venom was

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brought to Earth attached to Spider-Man whom
he found to be the perfect host as he was pure

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of heart. In fact, the symbiote relished in
this new bonding and would often control Peter

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00:45:22,186 --> 00:45:27,568
Parker's body to fight crime while Peter was
sleeping. After time, however, Peter grew wary

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of his new costume's abilities and seeming aggressive
autonomy. and had it examined by Reed Richards

539
00:45:32,974 --> 00:45:38,416
of the Fantastic Four, which revealed Venom's
true nature as a sentient alien symbiote who

540
00:45:38,456 --> 00:45:43,037
wished to permanently bond with Spider-Man.
Shocked by this revelation, Peter rejected

541
00:45:43,077 --> 00:45:47,778
the symbiote and had it imprisoned in one of
Reed's containment modules. Venom escaped,

542
00:45:47,918 --> 00:45:52,480
dejected, and angry, and tried to reunite with
Peter by disguising itself as one of his red

543
00:45:52,500 --> 00:45:57,501
and blue suits and forcing itself onto him.
Geez. Peter swung to a nearby church whose

544
00:45:57,541 --> 00:46:02,968
large bells rang to sound the hour. The Venom,
being a corrupted symbiote, was defective against

545
00:46:03,008 --> 00:46:07,651
powerful sonic waves and fire, and the bell's
reverberations weakened Venom into removing

546
00:46:07,711 --> 00:46:12,634
itself from Peter. The symbiote dragged itself
to the church's lower levels where it bonded

547
00:46:12,695 --> 00:46:17,618
itself onto Eddie Brock, a ruined investigative
journalist who had recently been discredited

548
00:46:17,638 --> 00:46:22,461
by Spider-Man. Eddie was also suffering from
terminal cancer and had just been divorced

549
00:46:22,481 --> 00:46:26,765
from his wife after the loss of his job. The
two's resentment of Spider-Man transformed

550
00:46:26,805 --> 00:46:30,959
them into the ultimate villain. with Eddie's
hatred at the time further corrupting Venom,

551
00:46:31,199 --> 00:46:36,281
who was intent on either killing or reclaiming
Peter. They fought several times, resulting

552
00:46:36,321 --> 00:46:41,403
in Eddie being incarcerated and separated from
Venom. The symbiote rescued Eddie from prison

553
00:46:41,503 --> 00:46:47,165
and inadvertently left behind an asexually produced
offspring that bonded with an imprisoned psychotic

554
00:46:47,225 --> 00:46:52,687
named Cletus Cassidy, who was serving 11 life
sentences for murder. The bonded pair became

555
00:46:52,707 --> 00:46:57,549
known as Carnage, who was extremely corrupted
and went on a months long killing spree across

556
00:46:57,609 --> 00:47:02,793
New York. Venom and Spider-Man had to join forces
temporarily to defeat him using Madison Square

557
00:47:02,833 --> 00:47:08,858
Garden's PA system, as Carnage was also vulnerable
to heavy sonic waves. Venom and Spider-Man

558
00:47:08,878 --> 00:47:14,363
formed an uneasy truce as Venom left for Eddie's
hometown of San Francisco. There, Eddie tried

559
00:47:14,383 --> 00:47:18,967
to steer Venom's urges for violence toward fighting
criminals and protecting a homeless society

560
00:47:19,067 --> 00:47:24,151
living underground. Through this vigilantism,
Eddie also sought to feed the symbiotes' hunger

561
00:47:24,191 --> 00:47:30,319
for adrenaline and hormones, such as phenethylamine.
which is found in the human brain. Occasionally

562
00:47:30,380 --> 00:47:36,103
Venom would commit acts of cannibalism for nutrients,
which horrified Eddie. Venom was later captured

563
00:47:36,244 --> 00:47:40,787
and separated from Eddie by the Life Foundation,
an organization bent on ending life on Earth,

564
00:47:41,227 --> 00:47:45,870
except for those who could afford to save themselves
through the Foundation's fallout shelter. They

565
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:51,754
experimented on the symbiote and forced it to
produce five offspring, Riot, Lasher, Phage,

566
00:47:52,315 --> 00:47:56,994
Agony, and Scream, all of which were bonded
to the Life Foundation's mercenaries. Eddie

567
00:47:57,034 --> 00:48:01,536
was able to re-bond with Venom and defeat the
new symbiotes with help from Spider-Man. After

568
00:48:01,576 --> 00:48:05,697
a long time protecting the innocent and feeding
the symbiote, Eddie grew too weak to continue

569
00:48:05,757 --> 00:48:10,359
as the host of Venom, and the alien sought out
a new one. For a while, it attached itself

570
00:48:10,399 --> 00:48:15,581
to Mac Gargan, aka the Spider-Man villain known
as Scorpion. Gargan was defeated, however,

571
00:48:15,722 --> 00:48:20,904
and the symbiote was removed and contained by
the US military. They studied it in a new super-soldier

572
00:48:20,944 --> 00:48:26,214
program and granted it to Peter Parker's old
classmate, Colonel Flash Thompson. The bonded

573
00:48:26,254 --> 00:48:30,276
pair became known as Agent Venom, though the
symbiote was chemically lobotomized most of

574
00:48:30,316 --> 00:48:34,839
the time in an effort for the government to
control it. Flash and Venom went into space

575
00:48:34,999 --> 00:48:39,722
as a new member of the Guardians of the Galaxy.
While out in the cosmos, the no longer lobotomized

576
00:48:39,782 --> 00:48:44,584
Venom journeyed back to his home planet of Klintar
where he was able to rejoin the hive mind and

577
00:48:44,604 --> 00:48:49,967
cleanse himself of his corruption. The symbiote
has since returned to Earth, was separated

578
00:48:50,007 --> 00:48:54,778
from Flash by the US military, and found its
way back to Eddie Brock. who again uses it

579
00:48:54,898 --> 00:48:59,681
as a vigilante hero. But it's not corrupted
anymore. Correct. So would you say he's still

580
00:48:59,701 --> 00:49:05,344
a Spider-Man villain? No, more often than not,
recently he's teamed up with Spider-Man than

581
00:49:05,704 --> 00:49:09,747
fought against him. Usually it's other symbiotes
that they're fighting against now, nowadays.

582
00:49:10,147 --> 00:49:15,010
Like Carnage? Right, or Venom's clone, or something
like that, you know? So as a Klyntar symbiote,

583
00:49:15,370 --> 00:49:19,572
Venom's powers largely depend on the host he
possesses, though for this fight, he will be

584
00:49:19,612 --> 00:49:24,282
bonded to his longtime host, Eddie Brock. Venom
has a number of innate abilities as well as

585
00:49:24,302 --> 00:49:30,065
the abilities of any superpowered being he bonds
with. Venom's fluidic biomass can extend tentacles

586
00:49:30,085 --> 00:49:35,007
and tendrils, or form into more hardened shapes
such as spikes, blades, and hammers. He can

587
00:49:35,047 --> 00:49:39,389
also shapeshift to render different outer appearances
and even blend into his surroundings like a

588
00:49:39,429 --> 00:49:44,291
chameleon. Since Venom preferred Spider-Man's
power set when he was bonded to him, Venom

589
00:49:44,331 --> 00:49:48,773
has copied that genetic code and carried forward
those powers onto his subsequent hosts like

590
00:49:48,833 --> 00:49:53,948
Eddie. This includes lifting strength. of around
25 tons, which is actually superior to Spider-Man's.

591
00:49:54,649 --> 00:49:58,952
Wall crawling and web shooting, though he doesn't
actually shoot web fluid, it's just thin strands

592
00:49:58,972 --> 00:50:04,657
of his own mass. Venom is incredibly durable,
able to resist gunfire on his own, and resist

593
00:50:04,778 --> 00:50:09,081
even greater impacts when shifting his mass
to thick and vulnerable areas. He's taken blows

594
00:50:09,101 --> 00:50:13,765
from Juggernaut before. Venom physically and
telepathically bonds with Eddie to provide

595
00:50:13,785 --> 00:50:19,666
a 360 degree view for instant danger notifications,
kind of like Spider-Sense. And if Eddie does

596
00:50:19,686 --> 00:50:23,828
get lethally injured, Venom grants an accelerated
healing factor, so powerful that it actually

597
00:50:23,888 --> 00:50:29,572
staved off Eddie's cancer for a long time. And
that's him. Wait, so Venom can change color?

598
00:50:29,952 --> 00:50:34,034
Yes, he can, yeah. I didn't know that. Why didn't
I, I feel like I should've known that. I guess

599
00:50:34,054 --> 00:50:37,656
he did in the cartoon. Yeah, he's able to change
his outward appearance for like different clothing

600
00:50:37,676 --> 00:50:42,079
looks, and everything like that. He can almost
turn invisible, practically. Well, Clayface

601
00:50:42,099 --> 00:50:45,581
can change color as well, and like, you know,
turn his arms into weapons and all kinds of

602
00:50:45,601 --> 00:50:49,883
stuff. But can he turn invisible, like Venom?
Invisible ish. Yeah, you could just turn it

603
00:50:49,903 --> 00:50:55,467
into the ground and then and then what are you
gonna do? Okay, damn it, but just to recap

604
00:50:55,828 --> 00:51:02,253
Venom's Weaknesses are fire and sonic waves,
right? But he actually expunged those weaknesses

605
00:51:02,273 --> 00:51:07,397
when he was cleansed by the Clintar because
the pure Symbiotes don't have those weaknesses

606
00:51:07,417 --> 00:51:15,114
Okay. Yeah, and Clayface's weakness really is
being frozen. Really? Yeah, okay. I don't think

607
00:51:15,174 --> 00:51:19,698
any of those things will come into play in this
speculation. I don't think so. I mean, I don't

608
00:51:19,718 --> 00:51:24,483
know. We'll see how it goes. Okay. Yeah. I'm
not saying Venom can freeze somebody, but I'm

609
00:51:24,523 --> 00:51:30,028
not entirely sure that Clayface can't produce
fire through like Flint or produce a large,

610
00:51:30,388 --> 00:51:33,971
you know, sound reverberations or something
like that. Oh, I didn't think about that. Hmm.

611
00:51:34,071 --> 00:51:38,175
I think the biggest disadvantage that Venom
has going into this is that he actually has

612
00:51:38,255 --> 00:51:43,671
a host body. Right. Whereas Clayface. If you
put a stake through him, there's nothing there.

613
00:51:43,731 --> 00:51:48,816
Yeah, he can't be impaled, Clayface, because
his entire body is clay. So he could go essentially

614
00:51:48,836 --> 00:51:55,001
intangible, whereas Venom can't. However, Venom
has some tricks up his sleeve that I think

615
00:51:55,041 --> 00:51:59,604
Clayface does not. Okay. All right, so let's
get into this. So the rules that we set up

616
00:51:59,624 --> 00:52:03,908
for this speculative scenario are that the characters
start about 50 yards apart from each other.

617
00:52:04,228 --> 00:52:08,852
They don't know anything about each other than
that the other are threats and they need to

618
00:52:08,892 --> 00:52:13,563
be taken down. And the final rule that we set
up is that they fight in a non-environment

619
00:52:13,884 --> 00:52:18,507
location or a location in which the environment
does not play any factor into the battle itself.

620
00:52:18,648 --> 00:52:23,672
Right, because we don't take stats for the environment.
We don't take that into account because it's

621
00:52:23,692 --> 00:52:29,797
too variable and different characters can win
in certain environments and not in others.

622
00:52:30,277 --> 00:52:35,141
Right, this fight were taking place in the Arctic
Tundra or whatever Venom would easily win.

623
00:52:35,341 --> 00:52:40,125
Right, because it's too cold for Clayface. Exactly.
So we just cancel that out as a factor completely

624
00:52:40,225 --> 00:52:45,455
and just say, No environment for the fight.
All right, so let's go ahead and get this started.

625
00:52:45,756 --> 00:52:50,578
They start off 50 yards apart, who goes first?
Well, actually, I think I'm gonna start this

626
00:52:50,638 --> 00:52:55,860
one off. I think Vanim's gonna go first just
because he has this kind of wild, bloodthirsty

627
00:52:55,900 --> 00:52:59,822
nature to him, although it's not quite as bloodthirsty
anymore, but he's very aggressive. So he's

628
00:52:59,842 --> 00:53:04,884
gonna start charging Starling with his tongue
whipping about toward a clay face in an effort

629
00:53:04,924 --> 00:53:10,431
to just pounce on him. Okay. Which he does.
Venom pounces on Clayface? Yes. Well that was

630
00:53:10,471 --> 00:53:17,056
a huge mistake. Okay, so Clayface just like
envelops Venom and just like constructs his

631
00:53:17,096 --> 00:53:21,920
body into like a hard spherical kind of like
shell that just contains him. He's gonna suffocate

632
00:53:21,940 --> 00:53:27,103
him. Well, okay, so Clayface's body, he's made
of individual particles, right? Because the

633
00:53:27,163 --> 00:53:32,427
symbiote suit can actually filter oxygen to
its host in unbreathable environments such

634
00:53:32,447 --> 00:53:38,014
as space and underwater. So- How, what? So it
basically pulls whatever oxygen is available

635
00:53:38,054 --> 00:53:42,015
between the grains of sand that clay face is
made out of and filters it to Eddie Brock Okay,

636
00:53:42,876 --> 00:53:48,277
at least for a duration long enough for venom
to be able to escape which he does so by just

637
00:53:48,597 --> 00:53:52,218
punching outward He's super strong. He's you
know, he can lift 25 tons. I think he's stronger

638
00:53:52,238 --> 00:53:56,979
than clay face Oh, he starts breaking him apart
basically. Clay face is pretty strong and he's

639
00:53:57,019 --> 00:54:02,801
also pretty durable, but he could only get as
durable as you know, like brick which I know

640
00:54:02,821 --> 00:54:07,560
venom is strong enough to punch through So yeah,
it doesn't surprise me that he breaks out of

641
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:12,224
this. Yeah, so yeah, he's punching out, he cracks
this sphere that Clayface created and just

642
00:54:12,244 --> 00:54:17,628
basically leaps out. And at that point, Clayface
starts deforming from this sphere into like

643
00:54:17,648 --> 00:54:24,194
this pile of goo and Venom coats the goo pile
with his symbiotic webbing. Like tendrils?

644
00:54:25,795 --> 00:54:29,978
It's fibers, basically, fibers of the symbiote
mass that ensnare it, like a really strong

645
00:54:30,038 --> 00:54:34,274
net. Okay, well, I mean, that doesn't really
do anything because he can't like... wrap up

646
00:54:34,334 --> 00:54:38,898
the bottom of Clayface, because that's already
touching the floor. So Clayface could like

647
00:54:38,958 --> 00:54:44,142
expand his size. So basically he just like grows
and just like tosses it to the side. Clayface

648
00:54:44,162 --> 00:54:47,825
can also squeeze through the holes and the netting.
Yeah, he could absolutely do that as well.

649
00:54:47,845 --> 00:54:53,250
Yeah. And that's when Clayface creates like
a huge like hammer fist and just swings his

650
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:58,054
like really rubber-like arm just towards Venom
and just knocks his hammer right into the side

651
00:54:58,094 --> 00:55:03,422
of him. Real hard. So right before the hammer
hits Venom, Venom shifts his biomass. over

652
00:55:03,462 --> 00:55:07,843
to the side and creates kind of like a shield
to protect himself from the hammer. So it just

653
00:55:07,883 --> 00:55:12,544
primarily hits that thick biomass shield and
doesn't really hurt Venom too much. It probably

654
00:55:12,564 --> 00:55:17,586
sends him flying because of the impact, but
it doesn't hurt him because the impact is mostly

655
00:55:17,626 --> 00:55:23,327
absorbed. So at that point Venom creates a huge
scythe with his arm and he slices Clayface's

656
00:55:23,687 --> 00:55:28,969
hammer arm in half. So Clayface doesn't have
the hammer arm anymore. So yeah, that puddle

657
00:55:29,009 --> 00:55:34,721
of clay just falls to the ground. quickly moves
to the rest of his body. So he's whole again.

658
00:55:35,321 --> 00:55:40,806
And as the pile of clay that was the hammer
is going back to the main body of Clayface,

659
00:55:41,406 --> 00:55:47,551
Venom creates his own hammer fist and takes
it right towards Clayface's face and smashes

660
00:55:47,591 --> 00:55:52,835
it in. Okay, so Clayface's face gets smashed
in, but like his face just like wraps around

661
00:55:52,875 --> 00:55:58,440
the hammer. And then Clayface just like rolls
up Venom's arm like a sleeve thing, and then

662
00:55:58,500 --> 00:56:02,098
travels right up there. It gets right up close
to him. And then like creates like a sharp

663
00:56:02,158 --> 00:56:08,780
blade out of his hand and just drives it right
into venom. Oh shit Okay, so venom screams

664
00:56:08,860 --> 00:56:15,122
out in agony and he breaks this spike that clay
face created to impale him and leaps backward

665
00:56:15,762 --> 00:56:21,343
And he pulls the spike out of him and venom
is able to actually heal Eddie Brock with his

666
00:56:21,383 --> 00:56:25,985
healing factor But Clay face knows that there's
a human core to him now So he's gonna be going

667
00:56:26,025 --> 00:56:29,686
for that for that human core. So he's gonna
be going with the bladed stuff now. Yeah Well

668
00:56:29,706 --> 00:56:35,089
Venom could play that game too, he shoots out
these little tiny barbed projectiles that like

669
00:56:35,449 --> 00:56:40,712
stick into Clayface and actually do jack shit.
That's when Clayface just like absorbs them,

670
00:56:40,932 --> 00:56:44,934
then he fires them right back out at Venom.
Actually Venom could do the same thing. Like

671
00:56:44,954 --> 00:56:49,977
there have been moments where like he's been
shot at with bullets, and he like absorbs the

672
00:56:49,997 --> 00:56:55,219
bullets through his flesh, and then like spits
them back out at the guy that shot at him.

673
00:56:55,259 --> 00:56:58,741
Clayface has done like that exact same thing
as well. Really? Yeah. Well, so okay so...

674
00:56:59,106 --> 00:57:03,708
Clayface shoots these symbiotic barbs back at
Venom and Venom just stands there and the barbs

675
00:57:03,728 --> 00:57:10,432
reabsorb back into his body. Okay so Clayface's
goal is to get to Eddie Brock and touch him

676
00:57:10,452 --> 00:57:14,374
with his corrosive touch. Okay. So basically
that's what he's gonna try and do. He's gonna

677
00:57:14,394 --> 00:57:19,016
turn his hand to a sharp object again, just
a point, and just drive it once again into

678
00:57:19,217 --> 00:57:24,560
Venom. But once he reaches Eddie Brock, he touches
him and it corrodes him. Except as Clayface

679
00:57:24,580 --> 00:57:31,099
is reaching for Venom, Venom uses his super
agility to... evade being touched by the spike

680
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:36,043
and what he does is he creates these two huge
axe blades with his hands and He closes the

681
00:57:36,063 --> 00:57:41,887
distance to clay face and he swipes across Cutting
clay face into three separate parts that fall

682
00:57:41,927 --> 00:57:48,571
to the ground Okay, and as clay face his body
is reforming That's when venom takes the opportunity

683
00:57:48,631 --> 00:57:55,276
to detach itself from Eddie Brock and assimilate
clay face as a venom clay face What yes, I

684
00:57:55,296 --> 00:58:01,652
don't think you could do that. Yeah, he can
do that How is Clayface a sentient life form?

685
00:58:01,672 --> 00:58:07,316
Yeah. Well then he can be assimilated by the
symbiote. Holy shit. So Venom assimilates Clayface

686
00:58:07,817 --> 00:58:14,902
and he's able to telepathically connect to Clayface's
brain and tries to shut him down. Okay. I think

687
00:58:14,942 --> 00:58:20,986
Clayface, he's powerful enough and maneuverable
enough. I mean he himself is a liquid form.

688
00:58:21,426 --> 00:58:27,010
It's like trying to mix like oil and water.
So I think he could escape the symbiote. Like,

689
00:58:27,130 --> 00:58:31,672
what is it gonna fuse to? His spine? What does
it fuse to? There's nothing to fuse to. Like,

690
00:58:31,712 --> 00:58:35,374
Clayface doesn't have a brain? Is that what
you're saying? It's- He has a brain, but it's-

691
00:58:35,534 --> 00:58:41,618
it's malleable. Gotcha. Well, I don't know!
Okay, here's what happens. Okay. As Venom was

692
00:58:41,638 --> 00:58:46,940
trying to assimilate Clayface, Clayface realized
what this thing is, that it's like a parasite,

693
00:58:47,281 --> 00:58:52,824
and learns all of its weaknesses. But then he
escapes! Because Venom can't assimilate Clayface's

694
00:58:52,864 --> 00:58:57,990
form. Okay. So now he knows that he's weak to
sound. But I already told you that he's not

695
00:58:58,010 --> 00:59:02,651
that weak. If anything, he's more weak to fire
than he is sound over the years. Okay, so as

696
00:59:02,851 --> 00:59:08,213
the Venom symbiote was making its way back to
the helpless Eddie, Clayface turns his fists

697
00:59:08,233 --> 00:59:13,455
into flint rocks and he bangs them together
and starts creating sparks. And then creates

698
00:59:13,475 --> 00:59:17,616
an eventual- The sparks aren't gonna set anything
on fire if there's no Tinder. You're just creating

699
00:59:17,676 --> 00:59:26,570
sparks, right? He sets Eddie's hair on fire.
I don't know. So Eddie Brock is running around

700
00:59:26,610 --> 00:59:30,831
screaming because his hair's on fire. He stops
to drop some rolls, puts the fire out, and

701
00:59:31,211 --> 00:59:37,453
then he's Venom again. This is almost a more
impossible fight than I could have imagined

702
00:59:37,473 --> 00:59:42,695
just because I completely forgot that Clayface
is intangible and that he doesn't have a human

703
00:59:43,135 --> 00:59:47,496
body within all the clay. And he's like completely
intangible, like you can't just move through

704
00:59:47,516 --> 00:59:52,877
a wall. Right. But like, he is like, things
can move through him. Exactly, exactly. Gotcha.

705
00:59:53,290 --> 00:59:57,114
Well, do you want to take this to the stats?
Yes, I'm very curious. Alright, let's see who

706
00:59:57,154 --> 00:59:59,477
officially wins this fight between Clayface
and Menom.

707
01:00:04,178 --> 01:00:08,561
And we're back. Not too many surprises here,
we found as we were combing through the stats

708
01:00:08,742 --> 01:00:13,466
and extrapolating Clayface's stats. Yeah, I
guess the largest surprise for me personally

709
01:00:13,846 --> 01:00:19,111
was just how durable and evasive Clayface is.
You know, he's nearly indestructible. Right.

710
01:00:19,151 --> 01:00:22,794
Nearly. He does have like the weakness of cold,
you know, but we said there wouldn't play a

711
01:00:22,834 --> 01:00:27,898
huge factor within this fight. No, and in terms
of evasiveness, he is basically intangible,

712
01:00:28,259 --> 01:00:32,218
but he's also not difficult to hit because he
knows he's intangible. Because he knows that

713
01:00:32,258 --> 01:00:36,261
most physical attacks aren't gonna even hurt
him. Right. Everything just kind of goes through

714
01:00:36,301 --> 01:00:42,265
him. Right. So he's elastic, but he's intangible,
but he's also extremely dense. So he has a

715
01:00:42,285 --> 01:00:45,887
lot going for him. When he wants to be, yeah.
Yeah, he has a lot going for him defensively.

716
01:00:46,148 --> 01:00:50,591
Exactly. And offensively, too. He has a lot
of damage potential. Attacks from him are basically

717
01:00:50,631 --> 01:00:55,694
like getting a boulder dropped on you. Right.
What he's lacking in, compared to Venom, at

718
01:00:55,734 --> 01:01:01,290
least, is fighting skill and strength. And strength.
Yeah, Venom's stronger than Clayface. Not much

719
01:01:01,330 --> 01:01:06,574
stronger. Yeah, there's not a huge gap there,
but there were only just a few disparities

720
01:01:06,614 --> 01:01:10,357
between these two characters. For the most part,
I think it was a pretty good match because,

721
01:01:10,677 --> 01:01:15,180
yeah, a lot of this was similar. Yeah. Because
they're both defensive powerhouses with strong

722
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:19,824
offensive capabilities. Yeah, for sure. And
they're just so malleable that it's just impossible

723
01:01:19,864 --> 01:01:24,187
to come up with a scenario. So we're gonna let
the stats determine the winner for us. So the

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01:01:24,227 --> 01:01:34,753
winner between Clayface and Venom is... Venom.
Ugh. Out of a thousand matches, Venom won 594%

725
01:01:36,454 --> 01:01:41,698
of them. So you know, it was fairly close. That's
close. I thought it would be closer. Oh, you

726
01:01:41,718 --> 01:01:46,161
did? I thought it would actually be further
apart. Really? Yeah. It's essentially like

727
01:01:46,201 --> 01:01:52,365
60%. Yeah, pretty close to that. Clayface only
won 40.6 of the matches. So 406 out of a thousand.

728
01:01:52,385 --> 01:01:57,168
Ugh. So good match, good match. You know, yeah.
I'm happy with the results of this one. It's

729
01:01:57,188 --> 01:02:02,660
been a while, I feel like, since. I've won one,
so. So put this on the scorecard for Marvel.

730
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:07,003
Congrats to Venom, I guess. I mean, he has his
new film coming out. Wonder when they're gonna

731
01:02:07,023 --> 01:02:09,925
make the Clayface film. They're never gonna
make a Clayface film. You know why? Because

732
01:02:09,945 --> 01:02:14,848
they're not greedy. That's why. You know why?
Because Clayface sucks. Nope. Just like the

733
01:02:14,948 --> 01:02:20,352
rest of DC. What? The only Batman villain that
could get their own movie is Joker. What makes

734
01:02:20,392 --> 01:02:24,775
me think Spider-Man's gonna get any more villain
movies? Oh, I don't know, actually. This might

735
01:02:24,815 --> 01:02:27,537
probably be the only villain movie that's made
of my hands. Oh wait, I guess they are making

736
01:02:27,597 --> 01:02:31,779
a Kraven movie, never mind. Well, no, there's
a Morpheus movie in the works too. So there

737
01:02:31,799 --> 01:02:35,962
you go. Although I guess there is a Gotham City
Sirens movie in the works or is that canceled?

738
01:02:35,982 --> 01:02:39,345
I don't know. Who knows? Who knows anymore?
So that does it for this episode. Congrats

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01:02:39,365 --> 01:02:45,949
to Venom for kicking the utter shit out of Clayface.
And jokes on you, Clayface doesn't shit. Let

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01:02:45,969 --> 01:02:50,392
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747
01:03:23,724 --> 01:03:27,847
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01:03:27,927 --> 01:03:33,031
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755
01:04:04,896 --> 01:04:09,057
score, and that would be awesome. Yeah, that
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756
01:04:09,137 --> 01:04:14,639
we will be reviewing the Venom film. Super looking
forward to it. It's a huge question mark in

757
01:04:14,659 --> 01:04:18,020
my mind. I have no idea if it's gonna be good
or bad. I haven't read any of the reviews.

758
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:23,039
It could go either way. I'm excited to see which
way it falls, good or bad. I guess I'm excited.

759
01:04:23,059 --> 01:04:26,323
I don't know. I haven't really seen too much
marketing for it, honestly. Yeah, not too much

760
01:04:26,343 --> 01:04:29,867
in the past few weeks, but looking forward to
it. Looking forward to talking to you guys

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01:04:29,887 --> 01:04:32,870
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