1 00:00:03,277 --> 00:00:03,338 you 2 00:00:22,850 --> 00:00:27,311 Hi, welcome to the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly show where we review superhero films and debate 3 00:00:27,331 --> 00:00:32,552 the superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing their characters and stat-based battle simulations. 4 00:00:33,053 --> 00:00:37,594 I'm Marvelous Joe. And I'm his twin brother, Johnny DC. And in this episode, we're going 5 00:00:37,614 --> 00:00:43,096 to find out who'd win in a fight between Lobo and Carnage. Now, Lobo is a big-time DC character, 6 00:00:43,156 --> 00:00:48,337 probably overdue for a duel on this podcast. Yeah, yeah, he's the main man. But, you know, 7 00:00:48,357 --> 00:00:52,375 Carnage is overdue as well. Oh yeah, he's a fascinating character, big time Spider-Man 8 00:00:52,395 --> 00:00:56,498 villain, and of course he's gonna be in a movie coming out next week, Venom Let There Be Carnage. 9 00:00:56,538 --> 00:00:59,981 So we thought this was the perfect time to put these two characters in a duel. They're both 10 00:01:00,141 --> 00:01:05,525 hyper-violent, they both have insane healing factors, they're both incredibly strong. I 11 00:01:05,545 --> 00:01:09,407 think it's gonna be a pretty good matchup. Yeah, it's gonna be crazy violent, it's gonna be 12 00:01:09,427 --> 00:01:13,010 good times. Before we get into that matchup and run the simulations to see who would win, 13 00:01:13,030 --> 00:01:16,532 we're gonna go over the comic book movie news that have come out in the past week. Just a 14 00:01:16,552 --> 00:01:21,282 couple of trailers though for DC. We got our first look at Netflix's The Sandman series, 15 00:01:21,722 --> 00:01:26,444 and we're gonna talk about the Injustice red band trailer. As always, we list our segment 16 00:01:26,464 --> 00:01:30,245 times in our episode description, so feel free to check out the show notes if you wanna skip 17 00:01:30,265 --> 00:01:35,366 ahead to a particular topic. And just a reminder, guys, that only the most recent four episodes 18 00:01:35,426 --> 00:01:40,027 are available to the listening public if you guys want access to over 200 episodes of archived 19 00:01:40,067 --> 00:01:45,129 content, including Blue Beetle versus Spider-Man, our Spider-Man Homecoming review, Clayface 20 00:01:45,149 --> 00:01:51,055 versus Venom, our Watchmen Season One review, Orion vs Silver Surfer Or our Green Lantern 21 00:01:51,155 --> 00:01:56,257 Emerald Nights review. 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And I wanna give a quick disclaimer. If I sound a little bit echoey, it's because I'm 30 00:02:36,717 --> 00:02:41,819 recording in a new space that hasn't been soundproofed yet. So I think my voice is just bouncing all 31 00:02:41,859 --> 00:02:45,501 over the walls here. So sorry to our listeners for that. I'll be sure to get it taken care 32 00:02:45,561 --> 00:02:50,149 of. before the next time we record. But with that out of the way, quick to the no prize. 33 00:02:52,271 --> 00:02:56,935 A no prize is an award that Marvel used to give out up until the nineties to fans. Our version, 34 00:02:57,035 --> 00:03:02,099 the dynamic dual no prize, is a digital award that we post on social media that I personally 35 00:03:02,139 --> 00:03:07,383 draw for those who we feel gave the best answer to our question of the week. Last week's question 36 00:03:07,403 --> 00:03:12,467 tied into the first trailer we got for the upcoming Hawkeye Disney Plus television series, which 37 00:03:12,487 --> 00:03:17,308 turned out to be a Christmas series. So we asked, What's your favorite holiday and how would 38 00:03:17,328 --> 00:03:21,032 your favorite superheroes celebrate it? We got a few honorable mentions, so let's go ahead 39 00:03:21,052 --> 00:03:26,639 and run down them as well as the no prize winner. Our first honorable mention goes to DC Joe, 40 00:03:26,739 --> 00:03:31,144 who said, What up guys, my favorite holiday is Christmas and how would my favorite superhero 41 00:03:31,185 --> 00:03:35,583 celebrate it? Well, he would make sure that everybody in Central City would have a present 42 00:03:35,643 --> 00:03:41,045 under the tree and probably stop at every house to carol That's right the flash specifically 43 00:03:41,185 --> 00:03:45,967 Barry Allen And that's a pretty interesting answer considering. I think Barry Allen is 44 00:03:46,067 --> 00:03:51,069 canonically Jewish So, you know the fact that he would spread so much christmas cheer is 45 00:03:51,109 --> 00:03:56,811 really good on him Yeah, I mean if anybody has the ability to play santa claus on christmas 46 00:03:56,891 --> 00:04:00,693 It's going to be the flash who can you know run around the world in under a second, right? 47 00:04:00,773 --> 00:04:04,936 He could definitely deliver all the toys to all the boys and girls out there. Yeah, yeah, 48 00:04:04,976 --> 00:04:10,780 good answer. Our next honorable mention goes to Jeff Miles Jr. who said, Hey, John and Joe, 49 00:04:10,900 --> 00:04:17,244 it's Jeff Miles or Hefe Miles on Instagram. My favorite holiday is definitely Christmas. 50 00:04:17,805 --> 00:04:23,509 It's time of joy. I get to travel home and see my family and the superhero I would love to 51 00:04:23,529 --> 00:04:30,013 see celebrate that is the Flash, man. He could go all the way back to DC to see my family 52 00:04:30,093 --> 00:04:35,168 real quick. you know, and he eats a lot because he needs to keep up with his super, you know, 53 00:04:35,228 --> 00:04:41,573 superpowers. So definitely Flash Christmas. All right. Yeah. Another Flash Christmas answer. 54 00:04:42,193 --> 00:04:46,356 Makes sense though. You know, again, not only can he deliver all the toys to all the good 55 00:04:46,396 --> 00:04:51,079 boys and girls out there, he can also visit his family real easily. Although, you know, 56 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:55,803 I mean, could have gone quick silver with this one. He's fast. No, no, Flash. He has the red 57 00:04:55,843 --> 00:05:02,134 and gold costume. All he's missing is green to be like super Christmasy infested. Our final 58 00:05:02,174 --> 00:05:07,035 honorable mention goes to Miggy Mathengian who said, Hey guys, this is Miggy. My favorite 59 00:05:07,135 --> 00:05:11,297 holiday is Christmas and my favorite superhero Flash would celebrate it by making his annual 60 00:05:11,317 --> 00:05:15,258 visit to the Central City Orphanage where he would continue his tradition of getting the 61 00:05:15,298 --> 00:05:19,279 kids any toy they want and along the way he would fight Ultra Humanite and teach him the 62 00:05:19,319 --> 00:05:23,200 real meaning of Christmas. If you didn't realize, this is all from the Justice League animated 63 00:05:23,260 --> 00:05:28,601 episode, Comfort and Joy. Okay, so now all of these Flash Christmas answers start to make 64 00:05:28,701 --> 00:05:33,523 sense. Yeah, who sent the memo out there for everybody to watch the Justice League animated 65 00:05:33,543 --> 00:05:38,365 Christmas special? Because you all base your answer off of the Flash celebrating Christmas 66 00:05:38,405 --> 00:05:43,067 for some reason. I don't think I've seen that episode, but it must have really struck a chord 67 00:05:43,367 --> 00:05:47,789 with a lot of people who viewed it. Just like, good feelings, good times. I love it. Quick 68 00:05:47,869 --> 00:05:53,792 note, actually, everyone who answered the question of the week this time gave a DC answer for 69 00:05:53,812 --> 00:05:58,830 their favorite hero. So, Marvel fans, you guys need to show up. Yeah, where you guys at? Where 70 00:05:58,850 --> 00:06:03,373 my boys at and my girls. So many Marvel heroes out there celebrate the holidays, so it would 71 00:06:03,393 --> 00:06:07,456 have been great to hear about it. But we wanna give a quick shout out to Dustin Balcom, who 72 00:06:07,476 --> 00:06:12,099 gave the answer of Christmas, but with Superman. And it doesn't get more wholesome than that. 73 00:06:12,139 --> 00:06:17,563 That was a great answer, thanks to Dustin Balcom. The winner of this week's snow prize, I swear 74 00:06:17,583 --> 00:06:26,149 to God, if it's flash Christmas, goes to Michael Harald, who said. Hey guys, so personally, 75 00:06:26,189 --> 00:06:31,827 my favorite's Christmas. But I think Halloween would be a lot more fun to read a Harley Quinn 76 00:06:31,867 --> 00:06:37,148 story of. Just watch her picking on all the people dressed up as superheroes and getting 77 00:06:37,168 --> 00:06:43,150 crazy on seeing people dressed up as the Joker. And then going to a bar and heading on and 78 00:06:43,190 --> 00:06:48,131 trying to pick herself up when she sees a bunch of girls dressed up as Harley Quinn. I thought 79 00:06:48,151 --> 00:06:52,773 he was going to go Christmas for a second there, but he saved it with Halloween. Nice twist! 80 00:06:52,993 --> 00:06:57,630 I'm sure it's a confusing time for any superhero to see. Everyone dressed up like other superheroes. 81 00:06:59,551 --> 00:07:05,334 Or maybe even super villains. Like the Joker. Maybe not so much as popular a costume choice 82 00:07:05,654 --> 00:07:10,356 in the actual DC universe considering he's real there and everyone's terrified of him. But 83 00:07:10,376 --> 00:07:14,017 you know, I can still see a lot of women dressing up as Harley Quinn. It's like one of the most 84 00:07:14,057 --> 00:07:18,419 popular Halloween costumes in real life. That's true. I'm sure Harley would love to see that. 85 00:07:18,559 --> 00:07:24,790 She'd be like, girls night out. And then subsequently get most of them arrested. Yeah, exactly. Congrats 86 00:07:24,810 --> 00:07:28,654 again to Michael Harreld for winning this week's No Prize. If you the listener want a shot at 87 00:07:28,694 --> 00:07:32,397 winning your own No Prize, stay tuned to later on this episode when we'll be asking another 88 00:07:32,497 --> 00:07:36,161 question of the week. And now that that's done, on to the news! 89 00:07:41,806 --> 00:07:48,127 Okay, this past week Netflix had their own version of like the DC fandom called Netflix's Tadum. 90 00:07:48,427 --> 00:07:53,589 Total ripoff! Everyone rips off DC, whatever. They debuted a whole bunch of trailers for 91 00:07:53,649 --> 00:07:58,810 upcoming shows including The Sandman. This was our first look at it and it's pretty brief, 92 00:07:58,910 --> 00:08:05,372 it's really just a teaser, but it's like shot by shot almost a scene from the first comic, 93 00:08:05,412 --> 00:08:10,654 like some of the opening pages. It was so cool to see this brought into live action. We get 94 00:08:10,674 --> 00:08:14,936 to see Charles Dance from Game of Thrones play Roderick Burgess, this occultist who's trying 95 00:08:14,956 --> 00:08:19,939 to summon Death, but he gets Dream instead, and that's the setup for the entire series. 96 00:08:20,219 --> 00:08:24,262 He doesn't play like the biggest role in the comic, so I'm sure they're gonna beef up the 97 00:08:24,302 --> 00:08:29,825 role a little bit more considering it's fucking Charles Dance, and he's a great actor, so I'm 98 00:08:29,925 --> 00:08:33,887 curious to see what kind of changes they're gonna make to the story. But so far, there 99 00:08:33,907 --> 00:08:38,746 are shots in this teaser that are like straight panels from the comic. Like the overhead shot 100 00:08:38,786 --> 00:08:44,067 of like the circle in which Dream is like laying with his helmet and stuff like that. It's so 101 00:08:44,107 --> 00:08:50,169 amazing. I wanted to weep the first time I saw this. It's so glorious. Now what's with the 102 00:08:50,189 --> 00:08:55,290 helmet? What's the story behind that? Oh, it's just a helmet that Morpheus created. I think 103 00:08:55,310 --> 00:09:01,092 it was like an alien god skull that he created it from. He imparted some of his power into 104 00:09:01,172 --> 00:09:06,853 that helmet as well as the ruby that you see and the bag of sand that is also in the trailer. 105 00:09:06,873 --> 00:09:10,871 Interesting. Yeah, that's pretty cool looking. Yeah, each of those artifacts get taken by 106 00:09:10,931 --> 00:09:16,033 Roderick Burgess. And like the first storyline from the comic is Sandman trying to recollect 107 00:09:16,513 --> 00:09:21,035 those pieces of himself, essentially to regain more of his power because he was trapped for 108 00:09:21,075 --> 00:09:26,457 so long. And we get to see Tom Sturridge as Dream trapped in this glass sphere within Roderick 109 00:09:26,497 --> 00:09:31,939 Burgess's basement. It's so cool to see Dream for the first time. He looks pretty spot on. 110 00:09:32,219 --> 00:09:37,910 What's the actor's name? Tom Sturridge. He looks great. Like almost a one to one. Translation 111 00:09:37,950 --> 00:09:42,953 from the comics, you know, his eyes aren't all black and his skin isn't as pale as it is in 112 00:09:42,973 --> 00:09:47,755 the comic But I love it. I think it totally works. I think this is gonna be a hit show 113 00:09:47,855 --> 00:09:52,358 for Netflix We have no idea when it's coming out yet. They have not announced a release 114 00:09:52,378 --> 00:09:56,640 date It can't be soon enough though, because I just once I saw this I was like I need this 115 00:09:56,741 --> 00:10:02,064 now If you haven't read Neil Gaiman's Sandman series yet pick that shit up cuz that stuff 116 00:10:02,364 --> 00:10:07,458 is like among the best literary Works I've ever read You and I recently did a bonus episode 117 00:10:07,478 --> 00:10:13,081 for our patrons where we listed our top 10 favorite storylines And for me Sandman was number two 118 00:10:13,201 --> 00:10:17,703 on that list like whatever you're reading right now It's garbage compared to this just set 119 00:10:17,723 --> 00:10:22,765 that down pick this up. You won't regret it. Are you gonna read it? I mean it's DC. I'm 120 00:10:22,785 --> 00:10:26,306 not gonna read it. Of course not. Why would you even ask that question? Obviously? I'm 121 00:10:26,326 --> 00:10:31,929 not gonna read it I'll read a series about spider-man's villain the Sandman and call it good. Okay, 122 00:10:31,949 --> 00:10:39,857 I read Sandman guys. I read it In other DC trailer news, we got the Red Band trailer for the animated 123 00:10:39,897 --> 00:10:45,300 film Injustice. We got a trailer a few weeks ago for this film and I was kind of underwhelmed 124 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:51,445 by it. This was the trailer I wanted from the get-go. Yeah, because it's violent. It actually 125 00:10:51,525 --> 00:10:56,909 shows the hardcore death of the Joker and just how crazy Superman gets. Oh yeah, totally. 126 00:10:56,969 --> 00:11:00,911 I mean, if you're not familiar with the comic or the video game, you probably don't know 127 00:11:01,011 --> 00:11:06,766 yet what the Joker does to cause Superman. to essentially rip his heart out, but it's crazy. 128 00:11:06,806 --> 00:11:11,488 It's brutal. And you know, it raises this great like moral dilemma amongst the entire superhero 129 00:11:11,508 --> 00:11:16,649 community. And I love the way they set up this whole ethical conflict amongst the superheroes 130 00:11:16,909 --> 00:11:21,391 and the voiceover lines that we hear as we see the different characters pop up on screen in 131 00:11:21,411 --> 00:11:25,932 this trailer. Yeah, a lot of valid perspectives here. I really like Green Lantern's approach 132 00:11:25,952 --> 00:11:30,493 where he's like Superman, you suffered this, you know, unfathomable loss. You need time 133 00:11:30,513 --> 00:11:35,000 to process it. whatever decisions you're making right now are going to be based in emotion 134 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:39,823 and grief and everything. You need time, a more clear perspective. Yeah, yeah, we get to hear 135 00:11:39,863 --> 00:11:45,887 from Green Lantern, Shazam, Batman, Green Arrow, Robin, Wonder Woman. Everyone is in this movie 136 00:11:46,167 --> 00:11:49,990 and it looks like there's so much that goes on in here. This feels like it's gonna be like 137 00:11:50,010 --> 00:11:54,513 a three-hour movie. I have no idea how long it's actually going to be, but there's a lot 138 00:11:54,533 --> 00:11:59,118 of stuff to get through in this film. It does look like it's starting to shape up to be as 139 00:11:59,158 --> 00:12:03,720 good as Justice League Dark Apocalypse War, which is like the best DC animated film of 140 00:12:03,740 --> 00:12:08,241 all time, in my opinion. Yeah, that was really good. We gave that a five-star review. If you 141 00:12:08,281 --> 00:12:12,402 haven't seen it yet, definitely check that out. But I agree, this looks like it might be as 142 00:12:12,442 --> 00:12:16,983 good as that film, just based on this trailer alone. But we got to manage our expectations. 143 00:12:17,263 --> 00:12:21,705 Yes. Right now, we're just going to say it looks okay. We'll see what happens, you know? Could 144 00:12:21,745 --> 00:12:25,502 be bad, could be good. You know what's almost kind of bittersweet about this? is that this 145 00:12:25,542 --> 00:12:31,306 whole storyline sort of inspired Zack Snyder's take on the DCEU, right? So it's like this 146 00:12:31,346 --> 00:12:35,389 is almost what we could have gotten if Warner Brothers would have just let him do what he 147 00:12:35,429 --> 00:12:40,192 wanted to do and people like didn't freak out over the direction he was heading. I would 148 00:12:40,212 --> 00:12:43,675 have loved to have seen this play out in live action. It probably would have came across 149 00:12:43,735 --> 00:12:48,999 as kind of a rehash of Batman v Superman, but I think it would have been a good story nonetheless. 150 00:12:49,459 --> 00:12:53,522 Yeah, now we'll probably never ever get to see that in live action. because of the whole kind 151 00:12:53,542 --> 00:12:58,763 of BVS retread and who knows what's going on with the future of the DCEU but I'm glad we 152 00:12:58,783 --> 00:13:03,144 at least get this storyline in this animated form for people who haven't played the game 153 00:13:03,204 --> 00:13:07,726 or read the comics which they should do if you haven't maybe, I don't know, maybe just watch 154 00:13:07,766 --> 00:13:11,747 the movie, we'll see we'll let you know yeah we'll be reviewing this movie when it comes 155 00:13:11,847 --> 00:13:17,508 out next month in October but in regards to Superman killing Joker during this trailer 156 00:13:17,728 --> 00:13:22,188 and seeing Batman's just sort of horrified expression about what just happened That brings us to 157 00:13:22,208 --> 00:13:23,057 our question of the week. 158 00:13:27,698 --> 00:13:34,601 Should Batman have killed the Joker in the comics? Why or why not? Yeah, this is a huge ethical 159 00:13:34,641 --> 00:13:39,264 question that Jonathan and I have gone back and forth on for years now. Jonathan's like 160 00:13:39,304 --> 00:13:43,286 on the side of Batman where he's like, no, you can't kill the Joker. And I'm like, no, Joker 161 00:13:43,626 --> 00:13:47,689 does too much shit. It's a crime not to kill him. So we want to see where you guys stand. 162 00:13:48,149 --> 00:13:51,791 No right or wrong answers here, but let's hear what you have to say. Record your answer at 163 00:13:56,682 --> 00:14:00,645 which will prompt you to leave us a voicemail. Your message could be up to 30 seconds long, 164 00:14:00,985 --> 00:14:05,309 and don't forget to leave your name in case we include you on the podcast. We'll pick our 165 00:14:05,349 --> 00:14:10,053 favorite answer and draw that person a dynamic duel no prize that we'll post to social media. 166 00:14:10,453 --> 00:14:14,737 Be sure to answer before October 2nd. But I think that does it for all the news for this 167 00:14:14,777 --> 00:14:18,761 episode, so let's go ahead and get into our main event where we find out who'd win in a 168 00:14:18,801 --> 00:14:24,205 fight between the intergalactic bounty hunter Lobo and the Spider-Man villain Carnage. 169 00:14:39,586 --> 00:14:44,870 All right, Lobo versus Carnage. This is gonna be a bloody good episode. These guys are like 170 00:14:44,930 --> 00:14:50,536 probably the most violent characters in the respective DC and Marvel universes. Oh yeah. 171 00:14:50,556 --> 00:14:54,339 That was the primary reason why we wanted to put these two against each other because not 172 00:14:54,379 --> 00:14:58,223 only do they have like similar power sets and that they're both super strong and have super 173 00:14:58,263 --> 00:15:03,367 powerful healing factors, they both have a variety of weapons at their disposal to take on their 174 00:15:03,407 --> 00:15:09,168 opponent. And they do so gleefully. Oh, totally. Usually when people request matchups for Lobo, 175 00:15:09,208 --> 00:15:13,952 they either say, you know, we should pit him against Deadpool or Ghost Rider or Wolverine. 176 00:15:14,332 --> 00:15:19,277 Those characters have not only already gone up against other, I think better matchups on 177 00:15:19,297 --> 00:15:24,641 this podcast. I personally think Lobo would stomp all of them, maybe not Ghost Rider. Yeah, 178 00:15:24,661 --> 00:15:28,424 it was kind of hard to find a character in Marvel that would be a good matchup for him, considering 179 00:15:28,444 --> 00:15:32,548 that we've already used Ghost Rider in a duel against Etrichan. But I think Carnage has a 180 00:15:32,648 --> 00:15:37,807 really good shot at beating this dude. You take a shot at the main man, you better not miss. 181 00:15:38,327 --> 00:15:44,891 You fraggin' bastitch. Take it easy. Calm down. Don't get into character just yet. All right, 182 00:15:44,952 --> 00:15:49,374 all right, all right. So if you've never listened to one of our dual episodes before, the way 183 00:15:49,414 --> 00:15:54,137 we determine a winner between these two characters is by running 1,000 Monte Carlo simulations 184 00:15:54,457 --> 00:15:59,460 using their statistics. Now, a Monte Carlo simulation is a probabilistic model used to determine 185 00:15:59,620 --> 00:16:05,156 outcomes through random sampling. In our case, it randomizes statistics along a normal distribution, 186 00:16:05,276 --> 00:16:09,640 which is a bell curve, as a way to simulate the many variables that can occur during battle. 187 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:14,443 The stat parameters we use are based on the official Marvel power grid, and we use that 188 00:16:14,463 --> 00:16:19,927 criteria to extrapolate the DC character's stats. We've included some additional stat categories 189 00:16:19,987 --> 00:16:25,592 of our own, such as range, damage potential, versatility, and perception, in order to create 190 00:16:25,652 --> 00:16:30,687 a more complete and robust simulation. And running these 1000 simulations gives us a percentage 191 00:16:30,727 --> 00:16:34,909 of wins for each character, and we declare the one with the higher percentage to be the ultimate 192 00:16:34,950 --> 00:16:39,232 victor, considering that they're more likely to win any given battle. No character ever 193 00:16:39,272 --> 00:16:43,855 wins 100% of the time, comics have shown that there's always a way for Batman to defeat Superman, 194 00:16:44,315 --> 00:16:48,558 we feel our method falls in line with the precedents that have been established in the comic book 195 00:16:48,578 --> 00:16:54,061 stories. And we use this method because it was the least subjective, most unbiased way to 196 00:16:54,101 --> 00:16:58,878 determine who would win. Of course, we are both heavily biased toward our respective allegiances, 197 00:16:59,319 --> 00:17:04,280 and instead of debating these matches forever, we just let the math decide for us. So there's 198 00:17:04,380 --> 00:17:10,022 no fan votes here, and no relying on just feats. Before we run the simulations though, we like 199 00:17:10,042 --> 00:17:14,543 to break down each character's histories and abilities before improvising a scenario on 200 00:17:14,563 --> 00:17:20,345 how we imagine one of the 1000 simulations we run would play out beat for beat. And I think 201 00:17:20,385 --> 00:17:25,259 it's my turn to go first with my character's backstory. So let me tell you all about the 202 00:17:25,319 --> 00:17:32,085 main man, Lobo. Now Lobo, whose name roughly translates to one who devours your entrails 203 00:17:32,105 --> 00:17:38,530 and thoroughly enjoys it, was born on the peaceful utopian planet of Zarnia, whose citizens were 204 00:17:38,570 --> 00:17:44,556 immortal enlightened pacifists. When Lobo was born, he bit off the nurse's fingers, and from 205 00:17:44,616 --> 00:17:50,341 that point onward, remained a sociopathic blight on the planet that had forgotten how to punish 206 00:17:50,461 --> 00:17:55,815 or discipline. literally letting Lobo get away with murder. For all of their dedication to 207 00:17:55,875 --> 00:18:01,598 science, the Zarnians had no explanation for Lobo's behavior other than demonic possession, 208 00:18:02,038 --> 00:18:06,880 though in reality, Lobo was the result of the universe trying to balance millennia's worth 209 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:13,283 of good-natured behavior by the Zarnians. Intellectually gifted from a young age, Lobo developed an 210 00:18:13,403 --> 00:18:19,005 airborne parasitic virus as a science project that quickly yet painfully killed everyone 211 00:18:19,085 --> 00:18:24,665 else on his planet. making him the last of his race. He gave himself an A on the project, 212 00:18:25,065 --> 00:18:29,889 and eventually left the barren planet to travel the cosmos, using his innate ability to track 213 00:18:29,989 --> 00:18:35,654 anything or anyone to become the universe's most feared bounty hunter. During the Citadel 214 00:18:35,694 --> 00:18:42,180 Wars, the leader of the Citadel, an intergalactic fascist empire, hired Lobo to kidnap Callista, 215 00:18:42,540 --> 00:18:47,704 a princess of the planet Euphorix and a member of a space-faring team of freedom fighters 216 00:18:47,784 --> 00:18:53,696 known as the Omega Men. Lobo successfully captured her, but was later hired by Calista's husband, 217 00:18:53,856 --> 00:18:59,140 Primus, the leader of the Omega Men, to free many of the Citadel's prisoners, including 218 00:18:59,300 --> 00:19:05,564 Calista. Lobo agreed, and killed the leader of the Citadel in the process. Lobo, whose 219 00:19:05,705 --> 00:19:11,528 only love in life is his nigh-extinct space dolphin pets, was later paid by an intergalactic 220 00:19:11,588 --> 00:19:15,931 villain named Manga Khan in Dolphin Treats to kill the Justice League 221 00:19:19,214 --> 00:19:24,575 until Manga Khan canceled his contract. When one of Lobo's space dolphins was killed, Lobo 222 00:19:24,615 --> 00:19:31,537 tracked the killer to Legion's space territory. Legion's leader, Vildrax II, promised to protect 223 00:19:31,597 --> 00:19:36,718 the space dolphins if Lobo joined his Legion government organization, which Lobo agreed 224 00:19:36,738 --> 00:19:42,600 to do and helped bring down the drug cartel planet of Cairn, seemingly dying in the ordeal. 225 00:19:43,020 --> 00:19:48,101 Lobo survived, however, much to his Legion teammates' dismay as they often fought with the bounty 226 00:19:48,141 --> 00:19:53,809 hunter and were left with broken bones as a result. A man of honor, however, Lobo remained 227 00:19:53,869 --> 00:19:59,013 true to his pact with Rill Trox until Lobo took an opportunity to kill him to get out of the 228 00:19:59,053 --> 00:20:05,078 contract, though it was later revealed that Lobo killed merely a clone of Rill. While at 229 00:20:05,178 --> 00:20:11,683 an intergalactic space bar, Lobo drunkenly accepted a bet that he couldn't kill Superman, so Lobo 230 00:20:11,723 --> 00:20:16,738 traveled to Earth and nearly killed the Man of Steel. forcing Superman to fake his own 231 00:20:16,818 --> 00:20:22,841 death just so Lobo would believe he'd made good on his bet. At one point, Manga Khan hired 232 00:20:22,881 --> 00:20:28,344 Lobo to capture the villain, Dispero, whom Lobo tracked to Earth. Dispero had been running 233 00:20:28,424 --> 00:20:32,746 rampant and was in the midst of battling the Justice League International and Justice League 234 00:20:32,826 --> 00:20:38,948 Europe teams when Lobo interfered, much to the dismay of the leagues. Eventually, Lobo joined 235 00:20:38,988 --> 00:20:43,883 forces with the leagues to bring Dispero down. a team up that ended up leveling Manhattan's 236 00:20:43,923 --> 00:20:48,826 Times Square in the ensuing battle, though Manga Khan paid for all of the damages to the city 237 00:20:49,206 --> 00:20:54,609 once Lobo completed his job. During the death and return of Superman's storylines, Lobo had 238 00:20:54,709 --> 00:21:00,133 overheard that Superman had come back from the dead. Still believing he had killed him, Lobo 239 00:21:00,193 --> 00:21:04,836 returned to Earth for a rematch against the Man of Steel, and they eventually battled in 240 00:21:04,936 --> 00:21:10,155 space, where Superman ended up teaming up with Lobo to save him from a group of robotic bounty 241 00:21:10,175 --> 00:21:15,420 hunters that they had accidentally crashed into during their battle. Because Superman had helped 242 00:21:15,460 --> 00:21:20,965 him, Lobo decided that they didn't need to fight to the death. Not long after, a scandalous 243 00:21:21,025 --> 00:21:26,469 tell-all book about Lobo's life became a bestseller among numerous galaxies, spreading his already 244 00:21:26,529 --> 00:21:31,354 vile reputation. Not that Lobo cared, but many groups across the galaxy wanted the book's 245 00:21:31,454 --> 00:21:37,739 author dead, including the Legion of Decency, the Dune-Din Police SWAT team, a union of intergalactic 246 00:21:37,839 --> 00:21:42,662 truckers, basically anyone with any kind of vendetta against Lobo, with the assumption 247 00:21:42,702 --> 00:21:48,266 that the author was close to him. Brill Drox II hired Lobo to bring in the author alive 248 00:21:48,386 --> 00:21:54,230 and unharmed, and it wasn't long before Lobo realized the book's author was his fourth grade 249 00:21:54,330 --> 00:22:00,494 teacher, Mrs. Trib, whom he thought he had killed. Wanting nothing more than to kill her outright, 250 00:22:00,774 --> 00:22:08,534 but a man of his word, Lobo was forced to across galaxies while protecting her from untold numbers 251 00:22:08,574 --> 00:22:15,096 of assassins. After killing entire planets full of people, Lobo finally got Mrs. Trib to drill 252 00:22:15,116 --> 00:22:21,818 Drox safely, immediately after which he killed her, making himself, once again, the last Zarnian 253 00:22:21,898 --> 00:22:27,100 in the universe. What a dick. He's always kind of felt like he was one of a kind, and he makes 254 00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:32,221 sure that he is. Some time after killing Santa Claus on a contract set by the Easter Bunny, 255 00:22:32,581 --> 00:22:38,049 Lobo found religion. and took a vow of nonviolence when he became the Archbishop of the first 256 00:22:38,189 --> 00:22:43,474 celestial church of the Triple Fish God. Tasked with bringing the Fish God the powerful weapon 257 00:22:43,774 --> 00:22:49,139 known as the Emerald Eye of Ekron, during his mission, Lobo ran into Animal Man, Starfire, 258 00:22:49,459 --> 00:22:53,843 and Adam Strange, the latter two of whom you can learn more about in their respective duel 259 00:22:53,883 --> 00:22:58,688 episodes. Though helping them fend off villains such as Devil Lance and Lady Sticks proved 260 00:22:58,808 --> 00:23:03,908 difficult without resorting to violence, Lobo eventually brought the Emerald Eye to the Fish 261 00:23:03,928 --> 00:23:09,353 God, which turned out to be the only weapon that could kill it. Seeing Lobo as a valuable 262 00:23:09,493 --> 00:23:14,677 asset, the Fish God graciously released Lobo from his vow of nonviolence, only to then be 263 00:23:14,717 --> 00:23:21,223 killed by Lobo with the Emerald Eye, after which Lobo took over the church. Lobo finally died 264 00:23:21,283 --> 00:23:26,147 during a battle on Apocalypse and was sent to Hell, where he enjoyed the torture and his 265 00:23:26,207 --> 00:23:32,495 life's sins fueled a massive region of the underworld. Imprisoned by the Archdemon Neron, Lobo was 266 00:23:32,535 --> 00:23:37,497 set free by Etrigan the Demon, who you can learn more about in our Etrigan vs. Ghost Rider episode. 267 00:23:37,937 --> 00:23:43,299 Lobo re-emerged in the Land of the Living, where he was given a Red Lantern Power Ring, though 268 00:23:43,319 --> 00:23:47,741 he wore it as a trophy around his neck, rather than use it and be bound to the Red Lantern 269 00:23:47,801 --> 00:23:53,644 Core. When Lobo's church ran into financial trouble, Lobo was forced to work for Real Drox 270 00:23:53,744 --> 00:23:58,826 once again, whom he helped defeat the humanoid form of Starro the Conqueror. who you can learn 271 00:23:58,866 --> 00:24:05,412 more about in our Starro vs. Fing Fang Fum episode. In post-Flashpoint continuity, a new, slender, 272 00:24:05,672 --> 00:24:11,738 pretty boy version of Lobo was introduced. It was revealed that the heavyset, obnoxious biker 273 00:24:11,778 --> 00:24:17,683 version of Lobo was apparently an imposter, and the quote-unquote real Lobo was really 274 00:24:17,743 --> 00:24:24,209 a former bodyguard to the Zarnian royal family, who bathed in blood pools that bestowed regenerative 275 00:24:24,229 --> 00:24:29,300 abilities. When one of the blood pools became contaminated with a quickly spreading virus, 276 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:35,344 real Lobo was forced to kill everyone on his planet in an act of mercy. This supposedly 277 00:24:35,425 --> 00:24:40,748 real version of Lobo didn't last long, however, and the former version was soon revealed to 278 00:24:40,768 --> 00:24:46,272 be a member of Amanda Waller's original Suicide Squad team, now under the mind control of Maxwell 279 00:24:46,332 --> 00:24:51,296 Lord. Lobo managed to break free of Maxwell Lord's control, however, after Batman managed 280 00:24:51,336 --> 00:24:56,339 to implant a bomb in Lobo's head and blow it up. It was around this time that Lobo learned 281 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:01,584 he had a half-Zarnean daughter who was raised on Earth named Crush, who had become a member 282 00:25:01,684 --> 00:25:06,849 of the Teen Titans. So of course he tried to kill her. Crush was able to stop Lobo from 283 00:25:06,889 --> 00:25:12,774 doing so, however, and she and her team imprisoned him on the moon. Not long after, Lobo was imprisoned 284 00:25:12,854 --> 00:25:17,458 in real space jail, but Crush broke him out, and the two are currently trying to work things 285 00:25:17,618 --> 00:25:24,163 out. That's Lobo's history so far. Now, powers-wise, Lobo possesses the natural superhuman durability 286 00:25:24,263 --> 00:25:31,187 and strength of a Zarnian, capable of lifting over 100 tons. He has uncanny stamina and rapid 287 00:25:31,247 --> 00:25:36,910 regeneration, allowing him to continue fighting even as a charred skeleton or regrowing his 288 00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:42,313 entire body from a single drop of blood. On occasion, clones of himself can grow from his 289 00:25:42,373 --> 00:25:47,776 blood, usually resulting in an all-out brawl to prove who's the real Lobo. He has enhanced 290 00:25:47,856 --> 00:25:53,311 senses of hearing, smell, and vision. as well as the innate ability to track targets across 291 00:25:53,331 --> 00:25:58,853 the universe, the time stream, and even other dimensions. He's surprisingly a scientific 292 00:25:58,913 --> 00:26:05,216 genius, having once pieced together a planet-destroying cannon from trash, and he can speak over 17,000 293 00:26:05,736 --> 00:26:11,658 languages. He carries numerous gadgets and weapons on him, most notably a chain hook he keeps 294 00:26:11,718 --> 00:26:19,101 wrapped around his wrist, frag grenades, knives, laser guns, and shotguns. He also has his space 295 00:26:19,141 --> 00:26:26,723 hog. A customized Spaz Frag 666 that has a miniaturized 17L powerplant with a 3x turbo and full hands-off 296 00:26:26,763 --> 00:26:32,308 facility, which he can summon with a whistle from across the universe. He's also immortal, 297 00:26:32,568 --> 00:26:37,493 having been banned from both heaven and hell. And that's Lobo. Is he gonna have his space 298 00:26:37,513 --> 00:26:41,836 hog during this fight? Even if he doesn't, I'm pretty sure he could summon it. He's equipped 299 00:26:41,856 --> 00:26:48,698 to this thing with like, all kinds of like trans-dimensional and time-traveling tech, so. Yes. I guess it 300 00:26:48,718 --> 00:26:53,059 would be only fair considering that Ghost Rider did get his hell cycle in his battle with Edrigan. 301 00:26:53,239 --> 00:26:58,261 Yeah, yeah. He's such a joke of a character though, you know? Uh, yeah, you know, there's 302 00:26:58,301 --> 00:27:02,142 occasional fourth wall breaking and stuff with him. He's kind of like Deadpool in that regard, 303 00:27:02,442 --> 00:27:05,863 but I think that's why people like him because he's kind of subversive, you know? He's not 304 00:27:05,903 --> 00:27:12,445 afraid to tell fanboys to like, bite me. So he carries really powerful grenades. Yeah, 305 00:27:12,465 --> 00:27:16,906 when I say they're a frag grenade... I don't mean like a fragmentation grenade, I mean like 306 00:27:16,946 --> 00:27:23,428 a frag you, you fraggin' bastitch grenade, you know? Alright, well, Carnage is gonna have 307 00:27:23,448 --> 00:27:27,689 to find a way to deal with those, but let me go ahead and tell you all about him. The Carnage 308 00:27:27,749 --> 00:27:32,851 symbiote is part of an alien race of parasitic beings that attach to other life forms for 309 00:27:32,891 --> 00:27:39,172 survival and grant their hosts immense power. As a species, the Clintar were created in the 310 00:27:39,252 --> 00:27:45,247 universe's infancy by a primordial deity named Null. to use as a biological weapon against 311 00:27:45,387 --> 00:27:51,190 Celestials and their creations throughout the cosmos. Null desired to dominate all other 312 00:27:51,230 --> 00:27:56,753 lifeforms by exerting his influence over those assimilated by the Klintar symbiotes. Over 313 00:27:56,773 --> 00:28:01,216 the millennia, the symbiotes evolved to become more sentient and they rebelled against their 314 00:28:01,256 --> 00:28:07,219 creator to live a more peaceful existence. The Klintar tried to bond only with peaceful beings 315 00:28:07,499 --> 00:28:12,434 that were pure of heart since attaching themselves to hateful and violent hosts would corrupt 316 00:28:12,474 --> 00:28:18,337 them and exacerbate their hosts' negative aspects. The corrupted symbiotes would become vulnerable 317 00:28:18,377 --> 00:28:23,460 to extreme heat and sonic energies and were exiled and cut off from the Klyntar hive mind. 318 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,263 Once such corrupted symbiote found its way to Earth while attached to the hero Spider-Man 319 00:28:28,683 --> 00:28:32,005 after one of his adventures in space, which you can learn more about in our Blue Beetle 320 00:28:32,025 --> 00:28:37,348 vs Spider-Man Duel episode. Spider-Man managed to rid himself of the symbiote and it attached 321 00:28:37,408 --> 00:28:42,550 itself to Eddie Brock, a ruined investigative journalist. He had recently been discredited 322 00:28:42,590 --> 00:28:48,051 by Spider-Man and had a hatred for the webslinger. The two became Venom, one of Spider-Man's most 323 00:28:48,131 --> 00:28:53,073 fearsome and powerful villains, whom you can learn more about in our Clayface vs Venom duel. 324 00:28:53,633 --> 00:28:58,474 Spider-Man and Venom fought several times, with Eddie Brock landing in Riker's Island Prison, 325 00:28:58,834 --> 00:29:04,676 separated from the symbiote for a time. Eddie's cellmate was a notorious sociopathic serial 326 00:29:04,716 --> 00:29:10,918 killer named Cletus Kasady, who was serving 11 consecutive life sentences for murder. While 327 00:29:10,958 --> 00:29:17,063 in prison, Eddie learned about Cletus' disturbing history. Reportedly, Cletus was born in the 328 00:29:17,103 --> 00:29:22,788 Ravencroft Institute to an unknown mother with paranoid schizophrenia. She died shortly after 329 00:29:22,808 --> 00:29:27,672 his birth, and Cletus was sent to live with his grandmother. As a child, he killed the 330 00:29:27,752 --> 00:29:32,496 elderly woman by pushing her down a flight of stairs, and was subsequently raised by foster 331 00:29:32,516 --> 00:29:39,081 parents Roscoe and Louise. Troubled and psychotic, Cletus tormented his foster family with bizarre 332 00:29:39,101 --> 00:29:45,629 behavior. eventually killing the family dog. Yikes. Driven mad, his foster mom Louise tried 333 00:29:45,669 --> 00:29:50,631 to kill Cletus, and Roscoe tried to stop her, accidentally killing his wife in the process. 334 00:29:51,172 --> 00:29:56,535 During the murder trial, Cletus claimed Roscoe killed Louise for no reason, resulting in his 335 00:29:56,575 --> 00:30:02,878 foster father's death via electric chair. DANG. As a teen, Cletus was sent to the St. Estes 336 00:30:02,898 --> 00:30:08,041 Home for Boys orphanage where he was bullied for his eccentric behavior. He fell in love 337 00:30:08,081 --> 00:30:12,499 with a girl he had met. and when she rejected him, he pushed her in front of an oncoming 338 00:30:12,559 --> 00:30:18,603 school bus. Cletus ended up fleeing the orphanage and setting it on fire, killing the disciplinarian 339 00:30:18,643 --> 00:30:24,666 staff and the other orphan boys in the process. Dude, this kid sucks! He adopted the philosophy 340 00:30:24,706 --> 00:30:29,289 that laws were only words, and that by murdering others, he was freeing them from the chaos 341 00:30:29,329 --> 00:30:34,492 and meaninglessness of life. Cletus then went on a killing spree, murdering nearly a dozen 342 00:30:34,532 --> 00:30:39,118 more people and experimenting with cannibalism. before authorities finally caught up and sent 343 00:30:39,138 --> 00:30:44,601 him to Rikers. Dude, ugh, this is hard. It's like, let's think up the most fucked up character 344 00:30:44,641 --> 00:30:48,422 we could possibly think up. Yeah, he's more fucked up than Lobo. I'll say that. I mean, 345 00:30:48,462 --> 00:30:54,025 Lobo killed Santa Claus. There's also that. That's true. Now while in Rikers, Cletus tried 346 00:30:54,045 --> 00:30:59,367 to convert Eddie Brock to his nihilistic life philosophy, though Cletus disgusted Brock and 347 00:30:59,407 --> 00:31:04,289 was dismissed by him. When Cletus was about to stab Eddie with the shiv he created, the 348 00:31:04,349 --> 00:31:10,033 venom symbiote- broke into their cell and rebonded with Eddie. As Venom escaped the prison, the 349 00:31:10,073 --> 00:31:15,938 symbiote left behind an asexually reproduced spawn that bonded onto Cletus. Newly formed 350 00:31:15,978 --> 00:31:21,323 and corrupted beyond reason, the new symbiote called itself Carnage and empowered Cletus 351 00:31:21,403 --> 00:31:26,407 far beyond the powers of Venom or Spider-Man. He killed his prison guard by pulling him through 352 00:31:26,447 --> 00:31:31,671 his cell bars and escaped to randomly kill more victims. Spider-Man and Venom had 353 00:31:34,810 --> 00:31:40,493 using Madison Square Garden's PA system to produce sonic waves that seemingly destroyed the symbiote. 354 00:31:40,873 --> 00:31:45,716 Cletus was captured and taken to the asylum of his birth, the Ravencroft Institute for 355 00:31:45,736 --> 00:31:51,379 the Criminally Insane. Unbeknownst to anyone, however, the carnage symbiote had bonded itself 356 00:31:51,399 --> 00:31:56,182 to Cletus' blood through a cut in his hand at their first encounter, giving the creature 357 00:31:56,242 --> 00:32:01,785 his red appearance. Cletus escaped Ravencroft alongside several other villains, including 358 00:32:01,885 --> 00:32:07,120 a mutant named Shriek, who could produce sonic waves that drive people insane. The pair went 359 00:32:07,180 --> 00:32:12,704 on a killing spree, causing a group of New Yorkers to turn on each other violently. It took Spider-Man, 360 00:32:12,985 --> 00:32:17,988 Venom, Black Cat, and the Avengers combined might to stop the villains, and Cletus was 361 00:32:18,028 --> 00:32:24,213 imprisoned again in a specialized cell back at Ravencroft. Eventually, Venom confronted 362 00:32:24,253 --> 00:32:29,617 Cletus at the asylum, pulled the symbiote from Cletus's body, and devoured it, destroying 363 00:32:29,657 --> 00:32:35,212 Carnage. Distraught, Cletus escaped Ravencroft and painted his body red, claiming to still 364 00:32:35,252 --> 00:32:40,614 have the symbiote and going on another murderous rampage. There was some truth to that as remnants 365 00:32:40,654 --> 00:32:46,097 of Carnage did remain in his bloodstream, and it directed him to another symbiote and Cletus 366 00:32:46,157 --> 00:32:51,699 bonded with this new Klyntar alien, absorbing and assimilating it into his being. After a 367 00:32:51,779 --> 00:32:57,234 battle with Venom, Cletus landed in The Raft, a prison for superpowered people. When the 368 00:32:57,274 --> 00:33:01,535 Spider-Man villain Electro initiated a full-on prison break from the Raft, which you can learn 369 00:33:01,555 --> 00:33:07,398 more about in our Flash vs Electro duel, the Sentry pulled Carnage out into space and ripped 370 00:33:07,418 --> 00:33:13,400 him in half. The symbiote kept Cletus' body alive as the two halves orbited Earth for a 371 00:33:13,460 --> 00:33:18,683 time. He eventually crashed into a satellite owned by one of Tony Stark's rivals, Michael 372 00:33:18,723 --> 00:33:23,945 Hall, who acquired the pair and kept Cletus in stasis while incorporating the symbiote 373 00:33:24,005 --> 00:33:30,871 into his Cletus escaped his confinement and rejoined with Carnage, battling both Spider-Man 374 00:33:31,132 --> 00:33:36,434 and Iron-Man via the symbiote-powered armor, before being defeated. At one point, Cletus 375 00:33:36,454 --> 00:33:42,637 was kidnapped by a cult that worshipped Null, the primordial deity and creator of the symbiotes. 376 00:33:43,137 --> 00:33:48,299 They grafted a sample of the original symbiote, called Grendel, onto him, hoping to turn him 377 00:33:48,339 --> 00:33:53,621 into a submissive vessel for Null. Carnage instead assimilated the Grendel symbiote, increasing 378 00:33:53,661 --> 00:33:58,781 his power and he began infecting the homeless population with symbiotic brain worms to serve 379 00:33:58,881 --> 00:34:03,925 as his personal army. Eugh! They helped bring him anyone who had ever bonded with symbio 380 00:34:04,025 --> 00:34:09,390 over the years so Carnage could consume their remnant power. Increasing his might, Carnage 381 00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:15,695 sprouted horns and wings, transforming into Dark Carnage. Venom defeated Dark Carnage by 382 00:34:15,755 --> 00:34:20,900 manifesting a necro sword similar to the Thor villain, Gore, and slicing Dark Carnage in 383 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:27,384 two, destroying Cletus's body. The Grendel Carnage symbiote then bonded to Venom to make him the 384 00:34:27,505 --> 00:34:32,809 new vessel for Null. However, the Venom symbiote overcame their merger and was powerful enough 385 00:34:32,849 --> 00:34:38,393 to destroy Null once and for all. Venom then became the new ruler of the Klintar Hivemind 386 00:34:38,773 --> 00:34:44,097 and banished the Carnage symbiote to the ocean's depths. However, remnants of Cletus's mind 387 00:34:44,217 --> 00:34:49,541 survived within the symbiote just as the symbiote had survived in Cletus so many times before. 388 00:34:49,986 --> 00:34:55,328 Cletus's mind awoke, now intent on creating a rival symbiote hive. And that's his history. 389 00:34:55,788 --> 00:35:00,650 Powers-wise, Carnage is one of the most dangerous and powerful Klyntar symbiotes to have ever 390 00:35:00,710 --> 00:35:06,912 existed. He's stronger than Venom and Spider-Man combined, able to lift around 80 tons. His 391 00:35:06,952 --> 00:35:13,195 fluidic biomass can extend tentacles and tendrils or form into hardened shapes such as spikes, 392 00:35:13,315 --> 00:35:18,737 blades, shields, and clubs. He can even shoot thin but durable strands of his own mass to 393 00:35:18,777 --> 00:35:24,044 ensnare an opponent. Oh, like webbing? Yeah, kind of. Carnage can shapeshift to render different 394 00:35:24,185 --> 00:35:29,268 outer appearances and blend into his surroundings like a chameleon. He's extremely durable, able 395 00:35:29,288 --> 00:35:35,293 to negate the impacts of most physical attacks up to gunfire, and mostly resist stronger attacks. 396 00:35:35,733 --> 00:35:40,656 Carnage physically and telepathically bonded with Cletus to provide a 360-degree view of 397 00:35:40,676 --> 00:35:45,820 his surroundings, making it difficult to surprise attack him. The symbiote is in fact bonded 398 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:50,459 to Cletus at the cellular level, granting him a powerful regenerative healing factor that 399 00:35:50,499 --> 00:35:55,362 makes him nearly impossible to kill and able to eventually come back if even the smallest 400 00:35:55,402 --> 00:36:00,625 bit of the symbiote remains. Because of this unique bonding, Carnage can also manipulate 401 00:36:00,645 --> 00:36:06,108 his body into non-humanoid shapes, and he can stretch, slingshot, and swing to travel large 402 00:36:06,148 --> 00:36:10,971 distances quickly. Carnage has the ability to infect and possess other beings with this symbiote 403 00:36:11,311 --> 00:36:16,290 and has limited telepathic control over them. Despite his powers, Carnage is vulnerable to 404 00:36:16,350 --> 00:36:21,811 fire and sonic energies. I didn't realize Carnage was that strong. That's pretty crazy. Yeah, 405 00:36:21,831 --> 00:36:25,552 80 tons is no joke. You know, that's like along the lines of like Captain Marvel and Namor 406 00:36:25,572 --> 00:36:29,874 the Submariner. So he's strong, he could shape shift, he could basically have like any weapon 407 00:36:29,914 --> 00:36:33,815 he wants to. I think this is gonna be a pretty good match. Yeah, I'm excited to get into the 408 00:36:33,855 --> 00:36:37,376 speculation, so let's go ahead and do that. And now that we've got their histories and 409 00:36:37,416 --> 00:36:41,877 abilities out of the way, let's talk about how one of the 1,000 simulated matches will go. 410 00:36:42,277 --> 00:36:47,308 The winner is determined by simulations. not our speculation, but it is fun to imagine how 411 00:36:47,348 --> 00:36:51,772 this fight could play out. And we don't set any rules for this match, other than the characters 412 00:36:51,812 --> 00:36:55,795 don't know anything about each other going in, except that the other character is a threat 413 00:36:56,055 --> 00:37:01,340 that needs to be put down. And we say that they start off about 50 meters apart, in an environment 414 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:06,304 that has no bearing on the match itself, because we don't take stats for the environment. Plus 415 00:37:06,344 --> 00:37:10,728 certain characters have advantages in some environments over others, and we want these characters to 416 00:37:10,768 --> 00:37:15,686 win on their own merits. So let's get into it. Lobo and Carnage meet on the battlefield. Who 417 00:37:15,726 --> 00:37:20,247 goes first? Lobo's gonna start this one, and he's just gonna start by pulling out this sod 418 00:37:20,287 --> 00:37:26,569 off laser shotgun, and just blasts Carnage with it. A shotgun at that range? It's a laser shotgun. 419 00:37:27,129 --> 00:37:32,771 Lasers. All right, well, Carnage is gonna throw up like this biomass shield in front of him, 420 00:37:33,311 --> 00:37:37,212 and you know, it's not gonna protect against lasers too well, but it'll provide him some 421 00:37:37,272 --> 00:37:42,963 cover, as with his non-shield hand, he's gonna reach out. and he's gonna like fling a large 422 00:37:43,043 --> 00:37:48,787 tendril at Lobo's gun and just like snap it away from Lobo's grasp and tossing it like 423 00:37:48,927 --> 00:37:54,631 Hundreds of meters away. What? Okay, Lobo loved that gun So he's pissed and he's just gonna 424 00:37:54,951 --> 00:38:00,695 charge at carnage just swinging his like chained hook and as he gets close He's gonna hurl that 425 00:38:00,715 --> 00:38:06,520 thing right into carnage's torso hooking into Cletus Kasady's spinal column He's just gonna 426 00:38:06,740 --> 00:38:12,367 yank that sucker right out except like Carnage, his body is like, you know, it's not normal. 427 00:38:12,727 --> 00:38:20,032 It's like a sinewy, fluidic mass. So as Lobo tries to yank out Carnage's spine, Carnage's 428 00:38:20,092 --> 00:38:25,395 whole body is gonna go with the spine, just hurtling towards Lobo. And as he's getting 429 00:38:25,435 --> 00:38:29,737 yanked toward him, he's gonna form his arms into these giant, like, sides that just reach 430 00:38:29,797 --> 00:38:34,060 out and, like, chop off both of Lobo's arms right at the shoulders. And he just starts 431 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:41,359 dismembering Lobo. Dang! All right, so... As Lobo is being cut into, he's gonna whistle, 432 00:38:41,379 --> 00:38:46,920 alright? And his space hog just comes in from like nowhere, just flying right into Carnage 433 00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:51,741 and just carrying him off into the distance, which gives Lobo enough time to get to his 434 00:38:51,901 --> 00:38:56,663 arms, which he reattaches. And then Lobo's gonna whistle again, and his bike is gonna bring 435 00:38:56,683 --> 00:39:02,464 back Carnage. So this is like a hover bike, right? Yeah, yeah. Alright, so when Lobo calls 436 00:39:02,504 --> 00:39:08,431 his bike back to him to bring Carnage back, the bike is... not gonna look like how he remembers 437 00:39:08,491 --> 00:39:14,276 it. It's gonna be red with black streaks. What? And it's gonna have this big smiling, sharp, 438 00:39:14,356 --> 00:39:18,920 toothy grin in the front where the grill is because Carnage will have wrapped himself around 439 00:39:18,940 --> 00:39:22,844 this bike and now he's in control of it. And as it comes back, he's gonna steer it right 440 00:39:22,944 --> 00:39:27,628 into Lobo and it's gonna crash into him right as Carnage detaches from the bike and leaps 441 00:39:27,668 --> 00:39:33,733 away. That's like some Freddy Krueger shit right there. Lobo did not appreciate that. It's like. 442 00:39:34,046 --> 00:39:39,668 Lowe gets plowed by his own bike, but he's also super durable and he controls the bike mentally, 443 00:39:39,688 --> 00:39:44,690 right? So as he's like hurtling through the air with it He's just gonna climb on to it 444 00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:48,652 as it's traveling midair and he's just gonna take control, right? So he's gonna steer the 445 00:39:48,692 --> 00:39:53,854 bike towards carnage before slamming on the brakes and just launching himself Right into 446 00:39:53,914 --> 00:39:58,576 carnage tackling him onto the ground and just using his fists to pound him right into like 447 00:39:58,936 --> 00:40:07,089 marinara sauce Alright, well, okay, so Lobo, he's like punching Carnage in the face, repeatedly 448 00:40:07,129 --> 00:40:12,372 turning it to mush, but Carnage is just gonna morph his body so that his head is like on 449 00:40:12,413 --> 00:40:17,476 the side of his body, instead of where his head normally was. So Lobo is just punching the 450 00:40:17,496 --> 00:40:22,720 ground. And then Carnage, while he's underneath Lobo, he's gonna like protrude all these spikes 451 00:40:22,780 --> 00:40:27,563 out of his body, like he's a porcupine or a hedgehog or something. And Lobo is just gonna 452 00:40:27,583 --> 00:40:32,163 get impaled, like a thousand spikes all over his body. And he's going to be like unable 453 00:40:32,203 --> 00:40:39,248 to move just suspended by all these needles. Huh. So every part of Lobo's body is like impaled. 454 00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:46,314 Except for his hand. All right. Which is holding surprise a frag grenade. All right. So that 455 00:40:46,334 --> 00:40:50,678 was just going to like thumb out the pin and let the grenade drop like right onto carnage. 456 00:40:50,798 --> 00:40:57,504 Boom. So like Lobo, he gets blown far away. But carnage, he's reduced to like a few writhing 457 00:40:57,544 --> 00:41:03,513 tendrils. That's pretty good. But. You know what? Carnage only needs a few writhing tendrils 458 00:41:03,533 --> 00:41:09,898 to still survive. These tendrils crawl toward each other and they join together, growing 459 00:41:10,098 --> 00:41:15,783 and reforming a sinewy shape that eventually becomes humanoid again. So Carnage is back, 460 00:41:16,183 --> 00:41:21,348 and he's pissed. Okay, so in all that time it takes Carnage to heal, you know, Lobo has also 461 00:41:21,408 --> 00:41:25,971 recovered. And he's coming back into the fray on his bike, alright? And by the way, like, 462 00:41:25,991 --> 00:41:30,603 this whole ordeal, this whole matchup against Carnage... Lobo is loving it. Like he's having 463 00:41:30,663 --> 00:41:34,645 the time of his life, right? Even with like being impaled and stuff like that. So like 464 00:41:34,945 --> 00:41:39,207 the only thing that's gonna make this better is like blasting some heavy metal music on 465 00:41:39,247 --> 00:41:43,130 his bike. So that's what he does. So he just turns that thing all the way up, like cranks 466 00:41:43,170 --> 00:41:49,433 it to 11, which unknowingly affects Carnage because of the sonic waves. And it's just causing 467 00:41:49,473 --> 00:41:55,356 the symbiote to like writhe in pain, like scream. I mean, I'm calling bullshit on the whole music 468 00:41:55,397 --> 00:42:01,348 thing because Lobo wouldn't know. What? that sonic waves affect Carnage. Dude, Lobo rides 469 00:42:01,388 --> 00:42:07,471 the space waves, listening to music all the time. Okay, so Carnage is like reacting to 470 00:42:07,491 --> 00:42:12,494 the sonic energy and he's gonna reflexively lash out and then stretch one of his arms out 471 00:42:12,514 --> 00:42:18,457 with like this axe head tendril that's just gonna slice Lobo's bike right in half. What? 472 00:42:18,877 --> 00:42:23,219 And Lobo's gonna like crash into the ground, skid across on his ass with his handlebars 473 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:23,920 still in his hand. 474 00:42:27,314 --> 00:42:32,997 Lobo loves that bike. He's gonna be like super pissed that it just got destroyed. Alright, 475 00:42:33,017 --> 00:42:37,479 so he has the handlebars still in his hand. He's just fierce. He's just gonna charge Carnage 476 00:42:37,499 --> 00:42:42,942 and just shove those handlebars like right up his ass. That means nothing to Carnage, alright? 477 00:42:43,122 --> 00:42:48,125 If anything, he's just gonna tighten up... What? ..and hold Lobo there, and he's gonna form 478 00:42:48,165 --> 00:42:55,189 his arms into like these giant thorny chainsaws-type things that just rip Lobo right in half, like 479 00:42:55,289 --> 00:43:01,716 across his midsection. Dude, all that's gonna do is just turn one Lobo into two Lobos. You 480 00:43:01,736 --> 00:43:09,259 know, one of them being naked from the waist down. Ugh. So enjoy that view, Carnage. Well, 481 00:43:09,279 --> 00:43:14,862 Carnage is gonna reach out to one of these Lobos. We'll say the topless one, not the bottomless 482 00:43:14,962 --> 00:43:22,225 one. And he's gonna infect that Lobo. So now it's Carnage and a symbiote-possessed Lobo 483 00:43:22,725 --> 00:43:26,752 against Lobo. and the two carnage characters are just gonna beat the shit out of Lobo, like 484 00:43:26,792 --> 00:43:32,337 taking turns stabbing him and smashing him. They're just ripping him apart. Okay, so Lobo 485 00:43:32,397 --> 00:43:37,781 is dying, I guess. Yep. Just sensing that this is the end of the road. He's going to pull 486 00:43:37,801 --> 00:43:43,886 out like a cigar and a lighter from like his vest pocket. Right? Oh my God. And once he 487 00:43:43,967 --> 00:43:49,451 lights up the lighter, he notices how both carnages react to the flame. They like, like draw back. 488 00:43:49,471 --> 00:43:54,759 They're like, oh no. When he lights up. So. He's gonna activate the lighter's like flamethrower 489 00:43:54,779 --> 00:43:58,960 mode. And he's just gonna douse both of them in flames, just turning all of their cells 490 00:43:58,980 --> 00:44:05,763 into ash. I'm calling bullshit on the flamethrower mode. What? You don't know. They saw those 491 00:44:05,783 --> 00:44:10,946 in space. I guess that sounds like something that he would have. So both carnages are on 492 00:44:10,986 --> 00:44:15,908 fire, probably screaming, you know, they're dying. The carnage possessed Lobo is definitely 493 00:44:15,948 --> 00:44:21,874 dead, but the regular carnage, he rushes up to Lobo. and he shows his fiery hand up Lobo's 494 00:44:21,934 --> 00:44:27,836 nostrils, entering Lobo's brain through his nasal cavity and assimilating him. So there's 495 00:44:27,896 --> 00:44:32,937 only one character left on the battlefield, but he's carnage possessed, so carnage wins. 496 00:44:33,577 --> 00:44:39,619 No dude, that's not how that works. Lobo is the last character, so Lobo wins. Cletus Kasady 497 00:44:39,679 --> 00:44:46,061 is fucking gone. But the symbiote still exists within Lobo, so carnage wins. I mean, Lobo's 498 00:44:46,101 --> 00:44:50,294 gonna love that. He's gonna be like, yeah, now I have like all these weapons. whenever I want. 499 00:44:50,514 --> 00:44:54,496 There's no way he loses because he got like symbiote possessed. Well, that's what happens, 500 00:44:54,576 --> 00:45:00,119 so. Yay, Carnage wins. Lobo wins. Let's take it to the stats. Either the Carnage symbiote 501 00:45:00,179 --> 00:45:04,681 is in control of Lobo, or Lobo is in control of the Carnage symbiote. Yeah, let's find out 502 00:45:04,722 --> 00:45:08,704 which scenario happens when we come back after inputting the character stats and running the 503 00:45:08,764 --> 00:45:10,885 1000 simulations. We'll be right back. 504 00:45:15,118 --> 00:45:19,261 That took an unexpected twist at the end. I'm still not quite sure who won in our speculation. 505 00:45:19,701 --> 00:45:24,044 Well, that's what we're here to find out. So we input the stats, we ran the simulations. 506 00:45:24,525 --> 00:45:30,209 The characters deferred on a lot of stats. Like we said Carnage was much more evasive than 507 00:45:30,269 --> 00:45:35,293 Lobo, given that he's so elastic. We said that they tied when it came to speed because we 508 00:45:35,473 --> 00:45:39,937 definitely didn't put in the space bike into the stats. But I mean, Lobo is still pretty 509 00:45:39,977 --> 00:45:44,455 fast even without the bike. And we also said they were about even when it came to like fighting 510 00:45:44,515 --> 00:45:50,938 skill and perception. Lobo came out ahead of Cartage on a few stats such as durability, 511 00:45:51,278 --> 00:45:58,301 damage level, strength, range, and versatility. Where Lobo smoked Carnage on was intelligence, 512 00:45:58,561 --> 00:46:04,403 which was interesting. Yeah, Cletus Kasady is not too smart. And Lobo is surprisingly smart. 513 00:46:04,784 --> 00:46:10,610 Yeah. So taking all of this into consideration, who do you think came out on top? I will concede 514 00:46:10,650 --> 00:46:15,251 that I'm pretty sure it's going to be Lobo looking at the stats, but I think it's not going to 515 00:46:15,271 --> 00:46:20,832 be by too much. In the poll that we sent out to Instagram, 64% of the respondents said that 516 00:46:20,853 --> 00:46:25,094 they thought Lobo would win, and I think that sounds about right. I think Lobo is going to 517 00:46:25,114 --> 00:46:29,935 take about that much of the win percentage. Well, I have the results right here. The winner 518 00:46:30,255 --> 00:46:43,044 of the matchup between Lobo and Carnage is Lobo. You're correct. Yeah. 69.2% of the 1000 matches. 519 00:46:43,325 --> 00:46:48,128 That was really close. Yeah, I just have to say, Lobo would probably be thrilled that he 520 00:46:48,169 --> 00:46:57,516 won by 69%. Well, Lobo may have won this duel, but he's still a dumb character. Like, Carnage 521 00:46:57,536 --> 00:47:01,780 is way cooler than Lobo. Dude, you don't get cooler than Lobo. What are you talking about? 522 00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:06,463 He's too like all over the place, you know? Like what the hell is going on? He's so weird. 523 00:47:06,744 --> 00:47:13,311 Carnage is straight up evil personified. Carnage is just second rate Venom. Carnage is superior 524 00:47:13,351 --> 00:47:16,853 to Venom in every way. I don't know what you're talking about, man. Oh yeah, then why does 525 00:47:16,893 --> 00:47:24,135 Venom like beat Carnage all the time? Touche. I have no idea. You know, teamwork. I didn't 526 00:47:24,175 --> 00:47:30,658 give Carnage's results. Carnage won 308 out of the 1000 matches. So he wins less than a 527 00:47:30,698 --> 00:47:36,140 third of the time. Sucks to be you. No man, it'll suck to be me when Carnage doesn't have 528 00:47:36,180 --> 00:47:41,183 a movie coming out and Lobo does. But guess what? It's the reverse of that. I mean, Lobo 529 00:47:41,223 --> 00:47:47,586 was in the Krypton TV show and like the animated series. Shut up. You know, I just remembered 530 00:47:47,746 --> 00:47:52,609 wasn't Michael Bay supposed to direct a Lobo movie? Like that was news back in like 2018. 531 00:47:53,509 --> 00:47:57,631 That just kind of like died off. I mean, doesn't that happen with most DC projects? All right, 532 00:47:57,651 --> 00:48:05,832 we're done here. Lobo one. Fuck you. That does it for this duel. Let us know what you thought 533 00:48:05,872 --> 00:48:11,016 about the results by writing to us at dynamic duel podcast at gmail.com or by visiting us 534 00:48:11,076 --> 00:48:15,380 on Facebook, Instagram or Twitter. You can find links to all of our accounts by checking out 535 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:20,305 the show notes or visiting our website dynamic duel dot com. 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I'll be happy. Yeah, I'm going into it like with very like mediocre 544 00:49:03,255 --> 00:49:07,397 expectations. I'm hoping I'll be surprised. That does it for this episode. We want to give 545 00:49:07,437 --> 00:49:13,339 a big thanks to our executive producers, John Spies, Ken Johnson, Jace Crump, John Storosky, 546 00:49:13,739 --> 00:49:20,122 Zachary Hepburn, John Bechinina, Mitchell Phipps, Steven Lovato, Dustin Belcombe, and Salvador 547 00:49:20,162 --> 00:49:24,803 Hernandez Contreras Jr. for helping make this podcast possible. We'll talk to you guys next 548 00:49:24,843 --> 00:49:27,244 week. Up up and away. True believers.