1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:27,780 This is a DynaMic Network Podcast. Hi, welcome to the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly show where we 2 00:00:27,780 --> 00:00:32,860 review superhero films and debate the superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing 3 00:00:32,860 --> 00:00:37,680 their characters in stat-based battle simulations. I'm Johnny DC and I'm his twin 4 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:43,960 brother Marvelous Joe. And in this episode we are doing a team duel against two of the most baddest 5 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:51,180 teams in DC and Marvel, repeating the authority against the Cabal. Yeah, for those who may not know 6 00:00:51,180 --> 00:00:56,740 who the Cabal are, it's basically Marvel's villain version of the Illuminati, the 7 00:00:56,740 --> 00:01:03,000 Illuminati being a clandestine group of superheroes that tackle threats covertly. The 8 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:09,100 Cabal is comprised of some of Marvel's most nefarious villains and you are so fucked for this 9 00:01:09,100 --> 00:01:13,860 episode. The authority is going down so damn hard that there's no way they stand a chance. I'm sorry 10 00:01:13,860 --> 00:01:19,820 to tell you this now. No way, the Cabal is exactly the type of team that the authority would just 11 00:01:19,820 --> 00:01:25,240 annihilate. Just freaking destroy them. You don't know anything about the authority. They're 12 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:30,240 not originally from DC Comics, they're from Wildstorm Comics, so I would not expect you to know 13 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:35,000 how powerful they are. But you're gonna learn today. We're gonna tell you all about the teams, 14 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:40,100 run statistics to find out who would actually win between them later on in this match before that. 15 00:01:40,100 --> 00:01:44,120 We're gonna break down the comic book and movie news from this past week, which is a lie again 16 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:50,120 because there wasn't any. Studios are really slow on the news lately. It's like they're so gun-shy 17 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:54,720 right now. You don't get why. It's like give us more stuff to talk about. Don't you want us talking 18 00:01:54,720 --> 00:02:00,380 about Marvel in DC? Yeah, don't they know we have a podcast to run here? What the hell? Selfish 19 00:02:00,380 --> 00:02:04,640 bastards. But as always, we list our segment times in our episode description, so feel free to check 20 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:08,979 out the show notes if you want to skip ahead to a particular topic. Guys are artificially 21 00:02:08,979 --> 00:02:16,020 intelligent dual simulator, AJ9K has a quick message for our listeners, so listen up. Why hello 22 00:02:16,020 --> 00:02:21,060 there. Do you want even more from this podcast? Then become a part of the dynamic dual community on 23 00:02:21,060 --> 00:02:26,340 Patreon where you can choose from three tiers. The Dynamic 2.0 tier gives you access to our Discord 24 00:02:26,340 --> 00:02:31,600 chat server. The Fantastic 4 tier gives you two bonus episodes each month and the X-Force tier 25 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:37,340 makes you an executive producer of this show. Lastly, the Diner Mike podcast network tier lets 26 00:02:37,340 --> 00:02:41,940 you create your own podcast using this Monte Carlo simulator. Johnny and Joe will help you develop 27 00:02:41,940 --> 00:02:46,880 your show, provide graphic support and consultation, and get you simulation results. 28 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:52,540 Pitch the twins your ideas via email at dynamicduelpodcastatgmail.com. Check it out at 29 00:02:52,540 --> 00:02:59,680 patreon.com slash dynamicduel. Pip pip cheerio. Thanks AJ9K and thanks to everyone who supports 30 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,940 the podcast. Be sure to tune into the other shows on the Diner Mike podcast network this week 31 00:03:03,940 --> 00:03:08,840 including the console combat podcast where hosts John and Dean simulate battles between popular 32 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:14,960 video game characters. In yesterday's episode they found out who'd win between Adam Smasher from 33 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:22,220 Cyberpunk 2077 versus Veronica Santangelo from Fallout New Vegas. Over on the Max Destruction 34 00:03:22,220 --> 00:03:27,280 podcast hosts Scotty and Gilly pay your favor action heroes from film and television against 35 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:32,520 each other. The Macho Twins are taking a quick break for the month of November but they'll be back 36 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:38,440 in December with some Christmas season duels. And on the Send Joe World podcast hosts Zachary 37 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:42,800 Hepburn speculates on fights between fan favorite anime and manga characters. In his next 38 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:49,500 episode Zach is revealing who'd win between Shigio Kageyama aka Mob from Mob Psycho 100 and 39 00:03:49,500 --> 00:03:55,760 Tatsumaki the tornado of terror from One Punch Man. Visit dynamicpodcasts.com or click the link 40 00:03:55,760 --> 00:04:01,800 in our show notes to listen to all of the shows in the Dino Mike podcast network. But with that out of the 41 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:09,520 way quick to the no prize. A no prize is an award that Marvel used to give out to fans. Our version, the 42 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:14,700 dynamic duel no prize is a digital award we post on Instagram for the person that we feel gave the best 43 00:04:14,700 --> 00:04:20,760 answer to our question of the week. Last week we asked you guys which company would you most want to 44 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:26,980 acquire Warner Brothers and DC Studios and why and this is coming off of the news that Warner Brothers 45 00:04:26,980 --> 00:04:33,300 is for sale with a number of other studios placing bids for the acquisition. We got three honorable 46 00:04:33,300 --> 00:04:38,900 mentions which we'll go over before revealing this week's no prize winner. Our first honorable 47 00:04:38,900 --> 00:04:45,040 mention goes to Alex Albro who said, Hey guys I think it ought to be Paramount. They've already 48 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:50,060 shown interest in acquiring DC. They don't have any super major theme parks that they're going to 49 00:04:50,060 --> 00:04:56,640 want to just market to. They produce great movies you know early MCU films Watchmen, Top Gun 50 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:01,060 Maverick, they've done Footloose, Friday the 13th, they've done a lot of animation stuff. They 51 00:05:01,060 --> 00:05:04,960 can handle anything that DC is going to throw at them. They also seem to be interested in keeping 52 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:09,200 gun which is good for continuity and their app doesn't charge crazy fees so more people will be 53 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:15,520 inclined to sub and watch the show. I would not mind it if Paramount acquired Warner Brothers and I had 54 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:21,780 actually forgotten that they produced some of the early MCU films like Iron Man. Yeah that's true 55 00:05:21,780 --> 00:05:27,120 Marvel's initial deal was with Paramount for distribution plus Paramount also owns other IP 56 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:33,180 like the Ninja Turtles and all of Nickelodeon which I think DC would be well folded into. Great 57 00:05:33,180 --> 00:05:39,940 answer Alex our next honorable mention goes to DC Joe who said. Definitely don't want Paramount to 58 00:05:39,940 --> 00:05:43,900 acquire them for political and sensitive reasons. I'm not going to get into it you guys can 59 00:05:43,900 --> 00:05:49,780 look it up. It's very well documented. As for who I do want them to be acquired by universal 60 00:05:49,780 --> 00:05:57,760 definitely universal for many synergy reasons. The theme parks the other IPs that they hold their 61 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:03,940 distribution and they support physical media. Yeah I had to look up Paramount politics in order to 62 00:06:03,940 --> 00:06:10,520 be clear on what Jose Marcell is referring to in regards to the politics of the studio and it looks 63 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:15,720 like decisions like ending the late show with Stephen Colbert are all based around owners David 64 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:21,220 and Larry Ellison trying to court favor with the administration by steering their content away 65 00:06:21,220 --> 00:06:26,560 from what they perceive as a liberal bias. Therefore universal would also not be a bad 66 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:32,700 option. I like the universal answer mainly for the theme park angle Disney gets a lot of revenue 67 00:06:32,700 --> 00:06:37,920 through their theme parks and the Marvel rides have become some of their most popular rides. I 68 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:43,700 would love DC to be able to compete at that same level because I actually think universal studios 69 00:06:43,700 --> 00:06:50,660 is superior to the Disney parks. Having never been to either of them I will have to take you out your 70 00:06:50,660 --> 00:06:57,580 word on that. Our final honorable mention goes to Scott Camacho who said. I think it's no question 71 00:06:57,580 --> 00:07:07,120 it's wherever universal studios is. Just as you have Disney, Marvel, and Fox universal DC and 72 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:13,100 Warner Brothers need to be together on that. I mean just imagine even the universal studios theme 73 00:07:13,100 --> 00:07:21,920 parks if you had DC attractions there it's in the writing let it happen. Right like I said theme 74 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:28,800 parks huge attractions I want to visit the DC universe IRL and I think the theme parks is the best 75 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:34,920 way to do that. You really hunk up on the theme park aspect of this potential deal. Well because I know 76 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:39,840 universal could deliver on that end as well as the movie end there's really nothing that Paramount 77 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:45,140 can do that universal can't. Plus universal has their hands on some pretty solid IP as well such as 78 00:07:45,140 --> 00:07:50,280 the Jurassic franchise. Right and movie monsters although they're really not doing anything with 79 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:57,860 that right now. They need DC as a strong IP. So great answer Scotty. The winner of this week's no prize 80 00:07:57,860 --> 00:08:05,240 however is by DearBangora who said. Hi Denimado. I think the best company to purchase Warner 81 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:12,520 Brothers and DC studios would be Amazon. I think with their deep pockets and their capacity to 82 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:19,780 bring to life the boys as well as Vinceable with a great audience and great awards for both those 83 00:08:19,780 --> 00:08:26,640 shows I think they could do something truly amazing with DC studios and DC comics in general. 84 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:31,320 I'd be so excited to see what the future would hold. So this was an interesting answer because Amazon 85 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:37,659 is currently not one of the companies that are courting Warner Brothers Discovery to attain 86 00:08:37,659 --> 00:08:44,300 their content. That said Amazon is huge it has their fingers in a bunch of different pies 87 00:08:44,300 --> 00:08:50,460 including movie studios like MGM including publishing which I think would be great for DC 88 00:08:50,460 --> 00:08:54,660 comics. And really that's why you picked this answer as the no prize. Right because I'm 89 00:08:54,660 --> 00:09:00,460 terrified that movie studios will only want to focus on movies and not really care about the 90 00:09:00,460 --> 00:09:05,860 comics. I think if anyone were to have the best interests of the publishing aspect of DC it would 91 00:09:05,860 --> 00:09:12,560 be a company like Amazon. Yeah I'm not sure if like Comcast Universal or Paramount or any of the other 92 00:09:12,560 --> 00:09:17,220 studios have strong publishing arms. I know that like Netflix doesn't right because they focus on 93 00:09:17,220 --> 00:09:22,560 movies solely but yeah whoever ends up acquiring Warner Brothers and therefore DC would also be 94 00:09:22,560 --> 00:09:26,240 acquiring the publishing division and you would want to make sure that that's in good hands because 95 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:32,980 you know that's the source of all this movie and TV show content is the comic books. Exactly so great 96 00:09:32,980 --> 00:09:37,520 answer by dear you win this week's no prize if you the listener want a shot at winning your own no 97 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:43,220 prize. Stay tuned to later on in this episode when we'll be asking another question of the week. And 98 00:09:43,220 --> 00:09:52,840 now that that's done I want to the question of the week. Now that peacemaker has come out and we've 99 00:09:52,840 --> 00:10:01,160 gone through all of the Marvel and DC shows coming out in 2025 which Marvel or DC movie or TV show from 100 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:06,760 this year has been your favorite and why. Yeah there was a number of DC and Marvel projects to come 101 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:11,680 out this year we want to know which one was your favorite. 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Yeah I mean the cabal got quite good at destroying entire universes leading up to the 116 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:08,120 events of secret wars where they were ensuring the survival of Marvel 616 at the expense of all the 117 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:13,400 other realities and the multiverse. Yeah and the authority is no stranger to destroying planets as 118 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:20,040 well. The authority is a team of good guys but they play by bad guy rules they're all anti heroes and 119 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:25,920 they are supposed to be getting a movie within the DC cinematic universe led by James Gunn I wonder if 120 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:31,500 that's still gonna happen. Well we did see one of the members of the authority the engineer in the 121 00:12:31,500 --> 00:12:37,060 Superman movie that came out this past summer. The authority was supposed to originally be the 122 00:12:37,060 --> 00:12:43,620 second movie that was released under the gods and monsters phase one essentially of the DC universe 123 00:12:43,620 --> 00:12:50,200 that's changed I'm not sure when we're going to get an authority film rumor has it that it's been 124 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:56,280 transitioned from live action into an animated project but we'll see. Interesting interesting. 125 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:02,140 Of course we've seen a number of members from the cabal in live action including Emma Frost, Dr. 126 00:13:02,140 --> 00:13:09,280 Doom, the Submariner and recently The Hood and Loki and Norman Osborn yeah basically Marvel is 127 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,620 just really on top of things when it comes to getting their characters depicted in live 128 00:13:12,620 --> 00:13:20,880 action. Unless it's Modoc then they suck. That's true that's true Modoc being a member of the cabal 129 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:27,500 not in the comic books but in the cartoon and video game space. I'll get into the rosters later on but 130 00:13:27,500 --> 00:13:32,440 first to explain the methodology behind our duels let's go to our sentient duel simulator Alfred 131 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:38,020 Jarvis 9000. AG9K tell our listeners how you go about determining a winner in our team duel 132 00:13:38,020 --> 00:13:44,140 matchups. Yes of course sir the way I determine a winner between the two teams is by running 1000 133 00:13:44,140 --> 00:13:49,500 Monte Carlo simulations between every character on each team using their statistics. A Monte Carlo 134 00:13:49,500 --> 00:13:54,720 simulation is a probabilistic model used to determine outcomes through random sampling. In 135 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:59,880 this case I randomize the statistics along a normal distribution as a way to simulate the many 136 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:04,860 variables that can occur during battle. The stat parameters are based on the official Marvel power 137 00:14:04,860 --> 00:14:10,140 grid from which the DC characters statistics are extrapolated. Additional stat categories are 138 00:14:10,140 --> 00:14:15,720 included such as range, damage potential, versatility and perception in order to create a 139 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:21,020 more detailed and accurate simulation. The results of the 49,000 simulations provide a 140 00:14:21,020 --> 00:14:26,040 percentage of wins for each character on both teams. The team with the higher average win rate is 141 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:30,380 declared the victor as they have a higher probability to win any given battle. In an 142 00:14:30,380 --> 00:14:35,640 equitable pairing neither team should win 100% of the matches. The comic book stories have shown 143 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:40,300 that there's even a way for Batman to defeat Superman so the confidence rate of my method falls 144 00:14:40,300 --> 00:14:44,040 in line with the precedents that have been established in the source material. My 145 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:48,660 mathematical simulations are without subjectivity or bias. Feats are not the sole 146 00:14:48,660 --> 00:14:55,580 consideration nor are fan votes tabulated for determination of the winner. Thanks a J9K. Before 147 00:14:55,580 --> 00:15:00,440 we run the simulations though we like to break down each team's histories and rosters before 148 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:06,780 improvising a scenario on how we imagine one of the thousands of simulations would play out beat for 149 00:15:06,780 --> 00:15:13,020 beat. It's my turn to go first with the DC team's backstory so let me tell you all about the 150 00:15:13,020 --> 00:15:19,460 authority. Now before the rise of the authority, Earth's defense against extraterrestrial and 151 00:15:19,460 --> 00:15:25,120 metahuman threats was managed by Stormwatch, a United Nations crisis intervention force 152 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:30,880 headquartered aboard the satellite Skywatch. Under the command of successive weathermen 153 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:37,180 including the manipulative Henry Bendix, Stormwatch operated publicly but also covertly 154 00:15:37,180 --> 00:15:43,400 through Black Ops teams like Stormwatch Black, composed of Jenny Sparks, the spirit of the 20th 155 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:49,180 century who could manipulate electricity and technology, Jack Hawksmore, a man biologically 156 00:15:49,180 --> 00:15:55,460 engineered to bond with cities and draw power from urban environments, and Swift, a Tibetan 157 00:15:55,460 --> 00:16:01,940 meta-avian capable of high-speed flight and combat. When Skywatch fell and most of Stormwatch 158 00:16:01,940 --> 00:16:08,880 perished in an alien attack, its surviving covert members abandoned the UN Charter and reformed 159 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:15,220 independently. From the ashes of Stormwatch, the authority was born, a new team with a goal of 160 00:16:15,220 --> 00:16:21,140 changing the world by any means necessary. Joining them were Angela Spieke, the second 161 00:16:21,140 --> 00:16:26,740 engineer who replaced her blood with nanotechnology and became a living machine, 162 00:16:26,740 --> 00:16:33,300 Jerome Thorndike, the latest doctor and wielder of Earth's shamanistic magic lineage, and two 163 00:16:33,300 --> 00:16:39,940 enhanced operatives rescued from Stormwatch Zero. Apollo, a solar-powered superhuman with 164 00:16:39,940 --> 00:16:46,220 strength and flight rivaling Superman, and Midniter, a brutal hand-to-hand combatant with a 165 00:16:46,220 --> 00:16:51,420 cybernetic brain that could predict every possible move in a fight. The team discovered and 166 00:16:51,420 --> 00:16:56,860 took residents aboard the Carrier, a sentient interdimensional vessel capable of traversing 167 00:16:56,860 --> 00:17:02,440 the multiverse through the bleed. The authority made their debut, repelling the global assault of 168 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:08,180 Kaizen Gamora, who unleashed his engineered super soldiers, the children of Gamora, across 169 00:17:08,180 --> 00:17:14,420 major cities. The team predicted and intercepted Gamora's final strike in Los Angeles, and 170 00:17:14,420 --> 00:17:20,140 Midniter destroyed his cloning facility using the Carrier. Their next threat came from sliding 171 00:17:20,140 --> 00:17:26,020 Albion, an imperialistic version of Britain from a parallel universe born from human alien 172 00:17:26,020 --> 00:17:30,880 interbreeding. The Carrier breached their dimension and the authority dismantled their 173 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:38,680 regime from within. In 1999, as the millennium ended, Earth's original creator, a vast god-like 174 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:44,760 entity, returned to reclaim and terraform the planet. The team infiltrated the being's 175 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:50,720 colossal form, and Jenny Sparks electrocuted it from within its brain, ending the threat at the 176 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:57,680 cost of her life. As the spirit of the 20th century, her death marked the end of her era, and leadership 177 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:04,620 of the team passed to Jack Coxmore. The authority retrieved Jenny Quantum, a newborn in Singapore, 178 00:18:04,620 --> 00:18:10,320 in the spirit of the 21st century, who had been abducted by Medi-human engineer Dr. Jake Gip 179 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:16,800 Krikstein. Swift negotiated her release in exchange for his services aboard the Carrier. 180 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:22,900 Soon after, the Earth's magnetic poles began to reverse due to a former doctor who had succumbed to 181 00:18:22,900 --> 00:18:27,640 despair. The authority evacuated Earth's population to alternate Earth's to prevent 182 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:33,240 extinction, and when the rogue doctor was overcome by empathy, he became vulnerable and was 183 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:38,680 killed by Apollo and the engineer, allowing Earth's population to return safely. The 184 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:44,060 authority's global interventions attracted opposition from the G7 nations. They dispatched 185 00:18:44,060 --> 00:18:50,240 Seth, a being engineered with over a thousand powers who defeated the entire team except 186 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:55,800 Midnighter. While the others were captured and replaced with government-created duplicates, 187 00:18:55,800 --> 00:19:00,660 Midnighter escaped with baby Jenny, freed Apollo, and together they eliminated the 188 00:19:00,660 --> 00:19:07,340 imposters. Jenny Quantum, now of speaking age, activated a fail-safe that neutralized Seth's 189 00:19:07,340 --> 00:19:13,220 abilities. The team was restored and Apollo and Midnighter were married, adopting Jenny as their 190 00:19:13,220 --> 00:19:18,600 daughter. They next confronted Reality Incorporated, a multiversal corporate entity 191 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:28,980 that attempted to colonize Earth for profit, as well as a charismatic Medi-human named John Clay, 192 00:19:28,980 --> 00:19:34,760 who most of the team was affected. Midnighter and the doctor resisted, the latter managing to purge 193 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:40,180 Clay's influence to end the crisis. In the aftermath, the doctor founded the Church of the 194 00:19:40,180 --> 00:19:45,860 Shaman to meet the world's growing spiritual hunger. When the US military triggered a rift in 195 00:19:45,860 --> 00:19:51,920 the bleed causing the destruction of Florida, the authority staged a bloodless coup and assumed 196 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:57,580 control of the United States to enact reform and prevent further catastrophe. Soon after Jenny 197 00:19:57,580 --> 00:20:03,600 Quantum was targeted by her twin sister Jenny Fractal, a genetically altered assassin raised 198 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:08,980 in secret by the Chinese government. Fractal murdered Jenny, but the doctor preserved her 199 00:20:08,980 --> 00:20:14,460 soul. Midnighter traveled back in time and eliminated the infant Fractal, allowing Jenny 200 00:20:14,460 --> 00:20:19,540 Quantum's spirit to inhabit her sister's body. The authority's government collapsed when the 201 00:20:19,540 --> 00:20:24,840 Sons of Liberty, a team of superhumans from earlier generations, incited nationwide 202 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:30,100 rebellion. During the conflict, a nuclear-powered sun detonated on the White House 203 00:20:30,100 --> 00:20:35,940 lawn, destroying much of Washington, DC. Disillusioned, the authority disbanded. Jenny 204 00:20:35,940 --> 00:20:42,420 Quantum, now eight, ventured into the infinite city, a realm inhabited by past Jennies, where she 205 00:20:42,420 --> 00:20:48,660 met Jenny Sparks and resolved to rebuild the team. Jenny Quantum aged herself into adolescence and 206 00:20:48,660 --> 00:20:53,860 reassembled the authority to challenge a resurgent Henry Bendix, who had orchestrated 207 00:20:53,860 --> 00:21:00,560 their downfall. Bendix had corrupted a woman named Rose Tattoo into the spirit of murder and 208 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:06,000 used her to assassinate the doctor, while a president his successor, Habib bin Hassan. 209 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:10,740 During Bendix's confrontation with the authority, he manipulated Midnighter to turn 210 00:21:10,740 --> 00:21:16,680 against his team. Engineer and Jenny Quantum disabled the threat, and Midnighter executed 211 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:24,760 Bendix. Hassan, as the new doctor, purified Rose Tattoo into the spirit of life who joined the team. 212 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:30,060 The authority then encountered Captain Adam, displaced from the DC universe, who you can learn 213 00:21:30,060 --> 00:21:36,340 more about in our Captain Adam vs Wonderman duel episode. Though they sought to return him home, 214 00:21:36,340 --> 00:21:42,680 his unstable energies threatened to unravel their universe's reality. As reality collapsed, 215 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:48,480 Captain Adam killed Apollo, Midnighter, and Jenny Quantum, before the hero Void extracted 216 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:54,520 part of her essence from him, triggering a universal reboot. You can learn more about Void in 217 00:21:54,520 --> 00:22:01,080 our Wildcats vs Inhumans team duel. In the newly formed universe, the authority crash landed in a 218 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:06,860 parallel world devoid of metahuman life. They faced a lovecraftian creature at the bottom of the 219 00:22:06,860 --> 00:22:12,020 ocean that psychically fed on the planet's collective unconscious fears. Though the doctor 220 00:22:12,020 --> 00:22:17,880 destroyed it using a local human as a conduit, the act wiped out all life on the planet, and the 221 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:22,780 authority departed the dead world aboard the carrier. When the number of the beast program 222 00:22:22,780 --> 00:22:29,340 initiated a reality damaging event, the carrier crashed into London, forming the city of 223 00:22:29,340 --> 00:22:35,300 Unlondon. Earth became a poisoned wasteland, Jack Hawksmore was gravely injured, the engineer 224 00:22:35,300 --> 00:22:41,260 disabled by electromagnetic storms, and Apollo exiled to the upper atmosphere to escape the 225 00:22:41,260 --> 00:22:47,920 toxicity. Midnighter roamed the devastated surface, while Swift operated as a scout. 226 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:53,700 Survivors mutated into monstrous incubates from exposure to the Warhol virus, while Apollo became 227 00:22:53,700 --> 00:23:00,380 infected and was later frozen for safety. Kaizen Gamora resurfaced with a mobile city, seeking to 228 00:23:00,380 --> 00:23:05,540 harness authority technology. Swift and the engineer were kidnapped by Prince Lorenzo of 229 00:23:05,540 --> 00:23:11,340 Sliding Albion, who sought to harvest their technology, but the two escaped and rescued a long 230 00:23:11,340 --> 00:23:18,220 lost member of the Golden, a powerful ancient race once allied with humanity. Jack, merged with 231 00:23:18,220 --> 00:23:24,240 Gamora Island's infrastructure, regained his powers and repelled the invasion. Apollo, 232 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:30,100 thought and infected, was released to aid in the final battle. Midnighter discovered that Habib 233 00:23:30,100 --> 00:23:36,960 bin Hassan, now calling himself the Green Man, had to become unhinged. The authority rescued Gaia, a 234 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:42,840 new century baby, who gifted Midnighter a restorative apple. He used it to cure Apollo, 235 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:48,360 reuniting them, and once the carrier was fully restored, Jack offered humanity refuge aboard 236 00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:54,040 the vessel, and a new authority team was formed to lead the Exodus. During the voyage, they 237 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:59,740 encountered the Caribbna, an alien race that consumed living beings for energy. With the help 238 00:23:59,740 --> 00:24:06,040 of a sentient brain, the surviving remnants of an alien species that fell victim to the Caribbna, 239 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:11,340 the authority defeated them and liberated the captive species. Returning to Earth during a 240 00:24:11,340 --> 00:24:18,360 rampage from Gaia, Shift, as the new Doctor, managed to calm her down and end the threat. 241 00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:24,940 Following the Flashpoint event, the Wildstorm and DC universes merged. In this new reality, a 242 00:24:24,940 --> 00:24:30,540 previous version of the authority had existed, with Jenny Sparks and the Doctor operating in 243 00:24:30,540 --> 00:24:37,480 secret. A new incarnation emerged when Superman, weakened by alien radiation, sought allies to 244 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:43,440 liberate Warworld from Mongol. Superman's first recruit was the powerful telepath, Manchester 245 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:49,720 Black, whose injuries were healed in exchange for service. They rescued June Moon from a magical 246 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:55,560 prison, adding Enchantress to the team, who you can learn more about in her duel against Marvel's 247 00:24:55,560 --> 00:25:01,080 Enchantress. Apollo and Midnighter joined for their strength and precision, while Natasha 248 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:08,000 Irons, Steel's niece who adopted his mantle, came aboard as a tech expert. Light Ray, an alternate 249 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:14,300 universe's version of the Flash, was recruited for her light speed travel, and an Omec android was 250 00:25:14,300 --> 00:25:20,460 added as a living weapon. The team's first mission went to Rai when Omec attacked Apollo during an 251 00:25:20,460 --> 00:25:26,020 attempt to retrieve Light Ray, imprisoned by Eclipsus. Meanwhile, Superman was trapped in the 252 00:25:26,020 --> 00:25:31,560 bottle city of Kandor by Ultra Humanite, who planned to possess his body. Superman escaped 253 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:37,300 with help from Brainiac, who delayed humanites' plans. You can learn more about Brainiac and Ultra 254 00:25:37,300 --> 00:25:43,180 Humanite in their duel episodes against Ultron and Mr. Sinister respectively. As the team 255 00:25:43,180 --> 00:25:48,680 regrouped, Apollo and Enchantress and Omec succeeded in freeing Light Ray. With their roster 256 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:55,020 complete, the Authority departed Earth in a new carrier and launched an assault on Warworld and 257 00:25:55,020 --> 00:26:00,840 its tyrannical ruler, Mongul, who you can learn more about in our Mongul vs. Annihilus episode. In 258 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:06,660 their opening engagement, Light Ray was killed and Apollo gravely wounded. Most of the team was 259 00:26:06,660 --> 00:26:12,200 captured, leaving only Midnighter free to initiate a rebellion that eventually led to 260 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:18,420 Mongul's death and the liberation of Warworld. And that's the Authority's history so far. Now for 261 00:26:18,420 --> 00:26:23,960 my seven member roster, I'm going with the original team members of Jenny Sparks, Jack 262 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:31,020 Hawksmore, Swift, Engineer, Doctor, Apollo, and Midnighter. Jenny Sparks is the cynical spirit of 263 00:26:31,020 --> 00:26:35,740 the 20th century who commands electricity, is able to travel through power lines, fire 264 00:26:35,740 --> 00:26:42,500 lightning, and transform into energy. Jack Hawksmore is a post-human urban avatar whose 265 00:26:42,500 --> 00:26:48,740 cybernetic body draws power from cities, giving him enhanced senses, leaping phasing, and even 266 00:26:48,740 --> 00:26:55,700 control over the urban landscape itself. Swift is a Tibetan-born metahuman with avian traits, 267 00:26:55,700 --> 00:27:01,560 including talons, supersonic flight enhanced senses, and a psychic rapport with birds. The 268 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:07,660 Engineer is a genius nanotech cyborg with liquid metal blood that allows her to shapeshift, 269 00:27:07,660 --> 00:27:14,640 self-replicate, fabricate weapons, manipulate tech, and alter her size. The Doctor is Earth's 270 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:20,780 shamanistic protector with reality-warping magic drawn from the collective memory of all who 271 00:27:20,780 --> 00:27:26,780 have ever lived, granting him near-limitless power and wisdom. Apollo is a solar-powered 272 00:27:26,780 --> 00:27:32,280 powerhouse with super strength, durability, and speed, as well as the ability to fly and emit 273 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:37,840 energy. His husband, Midnighter, is a bio-engineered super-soldier and master 274 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:43,160 tactician with an arsenal of club and edged weaponry, as well as enhanced strength, 275 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:49,220 reflexes, healing, and the ability to predict every possible outcome of a fight before it 276 00:27:49,220 --> 00:27:55,340 begins. That's the Authority. With as many times as their planet went to shit in the history of the 277 00:27:55,340 --> 00:28:00,840 team, I'm not convinced that they're going to be able to hold up to the cabal. Every time I went to 278 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:06,820 shit, it was not really their fault, and they kind of rescued it. Excuses, excuses. I don't want 279 00:28:06,820 --> 00:28:11,580 their excuses. I think the team's going to be in big trouble in this matchup, and let me tell you why by 280 00:28:11,580 --> 00:28:18,280 going into the history of the cabal. The Skrulls, a shapeshifting alien race secretly infiltrated 281 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:23,680 Earth over years by replacing key heroes, politicians, and leaders with imposters, 282 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:28,680 believing their infiltration fulfilled a prophecy to make Earth their new homeworld. The 283 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:33,700 invasion erupted into full-scale war between them and Earth's protectors when their deception 284 00:28:33,700 --> 00:28:40,700 was exposed. This war culminated in the public execution of the Skrull Queen Varanke by Norman 285 00:28:40,700 --> 00:28:46,420 Osborn, who at the time led the Thunderbolts and was suppressing his Green Goblin persona through 286 00:28:46,420 --> 00:28:51,980 medication. You can learn more about Osborn in our Joker vs Green Goblin Duel and more about the 287 00:28:51,980 --> 00:28:57,220 Thunderbolts in their duel against the Watchmen. Following the secret invasion, Norman Osborn 288 00:28:57,220 --> 00:29:02,920 parlayed his superheroic actions into unprecedented political capital. He was given 289 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,460 command of National Superhuman Security after the international espionage organization 290 00:29:07,460 --> 00:29:34,770 Shield was dismantled and he began a new one called Hammer. Osborn seized Avengers to have Ozborn's 291 00:29:34,770 --> 00:29:40,510 Council, soon known as the Cabal, contained influential villains from around the world. Its 292 00:29:40,510 --> 00:29:47,010 initial inclusions were the Submariner, Emma Frost, Dr. Doom, Loki, and the Hood, the latter of 293 00:29:47,010 --> 00:29:52,410 whom's real name was Parker Robbins, a small-time criminal who gained mystical powers after 294 00:29:52,410 --> 00:29:58,230 stealing a cloak and boots from a slain demon servant of Dormammu. The cloak granted the Hood 295 00:29:58,230 --> 00:30:03,830 invisibility, levitation, and limited mystical energy projection, making him a formidable 296 00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:08,770 street-level crime boss with supernatural power. Ozborn's arrangement promised each 297 00:30:08,770 --> 00:30:14,350 member of the Cabal a path to their ambitions in exchange for supporting his regime and answering 298 00:30:14,350 --> 00:30:19,930 his summons when called. Ozborn's pitch tailored incentives to each conspirator. He sought 299 00:30:19,930 --> 00:30:25,330 Frost's telepathy to help keep the table's liars honest, while capitalizing on her leadership 300 00:30:25,330 --> 00:30:30,430 stature among mutants. He expected Doom to normalize relations between Liberia and the 301 00:30:30,430 --> 00:30:35,050 United States through a personal understanding. He demanded that the Hood register his criminal 302 00:30:35,050 --> 00:30:39,290 army on the streets through government channels so they could be deployed under Thunderbolt's 303 00:30:39,290 --> 00:30:45,130 control. He agreed to advance Loki's designs on Asgard's throne and help return the realm to the 304 00:30:45,130 --> 00:30:50,810 heavens, as, at the time, Asgard was in the skies above Oklahoma after being rebuilt following the 305 00:30:50,810 --> 00:30:57,470 events of Ragnarok. You can learn more about this in our Aries vs. Loki duel. Finally, he dangled the 306 00:30:57,470 --> 00:31:02,310 surface world's cooperation with Atlantis before Namor, something that the shield had never 307 00:31:02,310 --> 00:31:08,710 offered. Even as the Cabal nodded along, power dynamics behind the scenes remained volatile. 308 00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:14,490 Ozborn quietly held a deterrent in reserve, the sentry's destructive other self known as the 309 00:31:14,490 --> 00:31:19,910 Void, threatening to unleash him should any member of the Cabal betray him. Even at its 310 00:31:19,910 --> 00:31:25,670 inception, the group's alliances nested within alliances. Namor and Dr. Doom, long comfortable 311 00:31:25,670 --> 00:31:31,010 dealing at sovereigns beyond ordinary law, renewed their understanding when Ozborn 312 00:31:31,010 --> 00:31:38,170 inevitably imploded, Doom would rule the land and Namor the seas. Emma Frost and Namor, whose brief 313 00:31:38,170 --> 00:31:43,250 past romance had been revealed during an earlier attempt to recruit him into the Hellfire Club, 314 00:31:43,250 --> 00:31:49,490 forged a new pact with clear contingencies. Frost promised to protect Namor's psyche from Ozborn's 315 00:31:49,490 --> 00:31:55,170 coercion, while Namor vowed to stand for mutant kind if Frost needed him. You can learn more about 316 00:31:55,170 --> 00:32:00,530 Namor and Frost and their respective duels against Aquaman and Poison Ivy. Loki moved first 317 00:32:00,530 --> 00:32:06,270 to hasten Ozborn's downfall while empowering himself. On the geopolitical front, Loki courted 318 00:32:06,270 --> 00:32:12,830 Doom with a bargain to relocate Asgard from Oklahoma to Liberia, provided Thor was banished, 319 00:32:12,830 --> 00:32:17,790 a condition that Doom imposed to ensure his realm did not inherit the God of Thunder. In the 320 00:32:17,790 --> 00:32:22,490 super-criminal underworld, the hood's mystical connection to Dormammu was severed when 321 00:32:22,490 --> 00:32:28,330 sorcerers including Dr. Strange and Dr. Voodoo purged the demon's influence and his signature 322 00:32:28,330 --> 00:32:34,770 cloak was lost in battle. Loki exploited the vacuum, leading the hood and Madamask to Cuba to 323 00:32:34,770 --> 00:32:41,150 recover the Asgardian Nornstones, restoring the hood's power and making him indebted to Loki. Each 324 00:32:41,150 --> 00:32:46,190 maneuver weakened Ozborn's stability by army gactors whose loyalties lay with Loki's long game 325 00:32:46,190 --> 00:32:51,110 rather than with Hammer. Within mutant politics, Frost set conditions that would determine 326 00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:57,430 whether the cabal fractured or endured. As Ozborn moved to contain the X-Men by constructing a Dark 327 00:32:57,430 --> 00:33:02,570 counterpart team under his authority, similar to the Dark Avengers. This led to intensified 328 00:33:02,570 --> 00:33:07,630 friction with Namor, who called on an Atlantean terrorist cell that in turn prompted a 329 00:33:07,630 --> 00:33:12,230 heavy-handed response from Hammer. Namor's cousin Namor interfered against Ozborn's 330 00:33:12,230 --> 00:33:17,650 horses, also deepening the rift. When the moment came, Emma Frost revealed herself as a double 331 00:33:17,650 --> 00:33:23,110 agent to the cabal after discovering Charles Xavier had been tortured in Hammer custody. With 332 00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:28,450 Namor at her side, she turned the Dark X-Men confrontation into a rout, publicly 333 00:33:28,450 --> 00:33:33,810 undercutting Ozborn's claim to control mutant affairs and forcing him to accept the new mutant 334 00:33:33,810 --> 00:33:40,130 nation of Utopia near San Francisco, despite his orders that Namor's head and Frost's heart be 335 00:33:40,130 --> 00:33:45,790 brought to him as trophies. As cracks widened, Ozborn's control faltered even within the 336 00:33:45,790 --> 00:33:50,870 cabal's council chamber. A confrontation with Doom escalated until the L'Averian ruler 337 00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:56,350 retaliated with a bio-weapon attack on Avengers Tower and then walked away from the arrangement, 338 00:33:56,350 --> 00:34:01,850 forcing Ozborn to bring Taskmaster on board. When Dr. Doom later demanded the Submariner honor 339 00:34:01,850 --> 00:34:07,470 their agreement, Ozborn unveiled the terrible deterrent he had hinted at from the start, the 340 00:34:07,470 --> 00:34:13,770 Void. The Void hurled Doom through a wall, but it was actually a Doombot who dissolved into swarms 341 00:34:13,770 --> 00:34:20,370 of mechanical scarabs that overran Avengers Tower, forcing the Dark Avengers into retreat. 342 00:34:20,370 --> 00:34:25,190 The spectacle exposed Ozborn's dependence on intimidation and the brittleness of a coalition 343 00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:30,530 held together by threats. The cabal's reputation among villains did not translate into lasting 344 00:34:30,530 --> 00:34:36,070 leverage. For example, the groups perceived influence encouraged even warlords such as 345 00:34:36,070 --> 00:34:42,370 Dracula to seek latitude for his European conquests through Doom, arrangements that Doom 346 00:34:42,370 --> 00:34:48,370 refused to indulge. However, the broader villain community ultimately turned against Ozborn due 347 00:34:48,370 --> 00:34:54,830 to his own escalation. The act of his dark reign over the superpowered populace culminated in an 348 00:34:54,830 --> 00:35:00,690 attempted siege of Asgard itself. The overreach shattered the state façade that had shielded 349 00:35:00,690 --> 00:35:06,430 Ozborn and he was brought down by the combined efforts of Earth's heroes and public scrutiny. 350 00:35:06,430 --> 00:35:11,670 Ozborn was imprisoned, the Hood and Taskmaster were apprehended, Loki's body was destroyed in 351 00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:17,550 the battle, Emmafrost and Namor returned to their ranks and Doom resumed uncontested rule in 352 00:35:17,550 --> 00:35:23,710 Latteria. With its architect disgraced and its member scattered, the cabal disbanded. However, 353 00:35:23,710 --> 00:35:28,510 years later a new iteration emerged from a different ethical crisis. The Illuminati were 354 00:35:28,510 --> 00:35:33,890 forced to confront apocalyptic collisions between universes called incursions that could 355 00:35:33,890 --> 00:35:39,610 only be averted by destroying one of the Earth's involved. For a time, the Illuminati bore that 356 00:35:39,610 --> 00:35:45,130 burden, but the moral cost grew intolerable. Everyone but Namor refused to continue 357 00:35:45,130 --> 00:35:50,290 annihilating other worlds to save their own. Concluding that survival required the will to do 358 00:35:50,290 --> 00:35:55,770 what the others would not, Namor assembled a new cabal of beings for whom extinction level of 359 00:35:55,770 --> 00:36:02,130 violence was an acceptable instrument of policy. This included Thanos and his Black Order, whom 360 00:36:02,130 --> 00:36:06,550 you've learned more about in their duel against Darkseid's elite. In contrast to Ozborn's 361 00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:11,490 backroom government, this version of the cabal was an operational death squad, aimed at 362 00:36:11,490 --> 00:36:16,830 preserving a single Earth at the expense of all others. This new group prosecuted its campaign 363 00:36:16,830 --> 00:36:22,610 with Muthas efficiency. Where the Illuminati had agonized, Namor's cabal acted, detonating 364 00:36:22,610 --> 00:36:28,610 worlds and leaving entire realities in ruins. Namor's actions destroyed his old alliances. He 365 00:36:28,610 --> 00:36:33,910 didn't just abandon the heroes' methods, he rejected their entire sense of morality. Each 366 00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:39,210 successful destruction forestalled the next incursion at the price of incalculable deaths, 367 00:36:39,210 --> 00:36:44,430 and each victory pushed Namor deeper into reliance on his new allies, whose goals of cosmic 368 00:36:44,430 --> 00:36:49,450 domination and nihilistic balance diverged sharply from his own. As the final worlds 369 00:36:49,450 --> 00:36:54,870 collapsed toward a final incursion, Namor ensured that his cabal would not perish with the 370 00:36:54,870 --> 00:37:00,790 dying worlds. Anticipating the end, they secured passage aboard a specially designed life pod unit 371 00:37:00,790 --> 00:37:06,770 built by an alternate reality, Reed Richards, a vessel capable of withstanding the universe's 372 00:37:06,770 --> 00:37:13,350 unraveling. Reality gave way into the battle world, a patchwork planet ruled by Dr. Doom and 373 00:37:13,350 --> 00:37:19,090 composed of various worlds from throughout the multiverse. The cabal endured the journey there, 374 00:37:19,090 --> 00:37:24,630 but they disbanded as Thanos abandoned their goals to instead make an attempt for Dr. Doom's 375 00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:31,190 newfound power, only to have his spine ripped out. And that's the cabal's history. For the person 376 00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:36,930 roster, I'm choosing to forgo some of the key members, such as Norman Osborn, who was part of our 377 00:37:36,930 --> 00:37:43,690 Sinister Six team duel, Namor, who was part of the Fantastic Four duel, and Thanos, who was part of 378 00:37:43,690 --> 00:37:50,010 the Black Order duel. But I am including the original members of Dr. Doom, Emma Frost, the 379 00:37:50,010 --> 00:37:56,530 White Queen, Loki, and the Hood. To round out the remaining spots, I'm going with two villains who 380 00:37:56,530 --> 00:38:02,650 are members of the cabal in the Avengers Assemble cartoon, and the contest of champions video game, 381 00:38:02,650 --> 00:38:08,630 and that is Red Skull and Modoc. For the seventh and final spot, I'm going with a villain who is also a 382 00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:14,690 member of the cabal in the cartoons, and that is the Hulk's arch nemesis, the leader, who started out 383 00:38:14,690 --> 00:38:20,630 as a janitor named Samuel Stearns, who was exposed to gamma radiation at the chemical plant where he 384 00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:26,410 worked. It granted him superhuman intelligence and an enlarged cranium, making him as smart as the 385 00:38:26,410 --> 00:38:32,510 Hulk was strong. He possessed a genius-level IQ, perfect memory, and the ability to process 386 00:38:32,510 --> 00:38:37,510 information and devise strategies far beyond human capability. He can communicate 387 00:38:37,510 --> 00:38:44,090 telepathically, move objects with telekinesis, and can emit gamma radiation blasts from his head. 388 00:38:44,090 --> 00:38:49,410 He has built advanced technology including laser pistols, kinetic absorption gauntlets, and 389 00:38:49,410 --> 00:38:55,790 teleportation devices. So that's my team to reiterate you're going up against Dr. Doom, 390 00:38:55,790 --> 00:39:26,190 Ammafrost, Loki, the Hood, Red Skull, Modoc, and the leader. In a world where fantasies collide and 391 00:39:26,190 --> 00:39:31,770 heroes clash, one podcast network rises above the rest. Prepare yourself for the ultimate 392 00:39:31,770 --> 00:39:38,150 showdowns in comic books, video games, movies, and anime. The Dynamite Podcast Network presents 393 00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:44,570 Console Combat, where video game legends brawl every Monday. Dynamic Duel, where comic book 394 00:39:44,570 --> 00:39:50,270 titans smash every Tuesday. 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For 410 00:41:21,310 --> 00:41:25,870 the speculation, the groups will begin approximately 50 meters apart in a nondescript 411 00:41:25,870 --> 00:41:30,930 environment that will have no bearing on the match itself, as no environmental statistics are 412 00:41:30,930 --> 00:41:36,290 considered in my simulations. The teams must earn victory on their own merit. Alright then, let's 413 00:41:36,290 --> 00:41:43,110 get into it. The authority and the cabal meet on the battlefield. Who goes first? I'm gonna say that 414 00:41:43,110 --> 00:41:49,050 Emma Frost starts out. She's gonna scan the minds of every member of the authority, and she's gonna 415 00:41:49,050 --> 00:41:55,790 be like, holy crap, I thought we were fucked up guys. But she delivers all the details to every 416 00:41:55,790 --> 00:42:02,010 other member of the cabal, psychically. Okay, so the Garden of Ancestral Memory is going to warn the 417 00:42:02,010 --> 00:42:07,910 doctor that he's being brain scanned. And since all of the members of the authority wear this radio 418 00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:13,830 telepathic nanotech device on their temporal lobe, the doctor is able to warn all of them that 419 00:42:13,830 --> 00:42:20,350 Emma Frost is psychically scanning them. And so Jenny Sparks is gonna tell Swift telepathically 420 00:42:20,350 --> 00:42:27,310 to take out Emma Frost. So Swift jets toward her at hyper speed, Talon's first, and she just slashes 421 00:42:27,310 --> 00:42:32,590 her to rubens. Yeah, it's too bad that the cabal do everything about the authority now, and they knew 422 00:42:32,590 --> 00:42:39,110 about the nanotech device, and they anticipated Swift's attack. Because Emma Frost just turns 423 00:42:39,110 --> 00:42:45,090 into Diamond. And so Swift isn't scratching shit. And Modoc, he's just gonna straight up 424 00:42:45,090 --> 00:42:50,570 disintegrate Swift with an energy beam from his headband. So now the authority know that the cabal 425 00:42:50,570 --> 00:42:57,110 aren't fucking around. Damn, like that, huh? Okay. Well, the authority also does not fuck 426 00:42:57,110 --> 00:43:02,650 around. And they're gonna let the cabal know that by having the engineer duplicate herself into 427 00:43:02,650 --> 00:43:09,290 like six other engineers who all form their forearms into machine guns, and start firing at 428 00:43:09,290 --> 00:43:16,110 the cabal laying down suppressive fire while Apollo is going to speed bullets Dr. Doom and 429 00:43:16,110 --> 00:43:23,430 punches 10 head right off of his body. Force field. Dr. Doom blocks both the bullets from the engineer 430 00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:31,930 and Apollo's attack with a dome force field. And so the authority are trying to get inside this force 431 00:43:31,930 --> 00:43:37,530 field dome, but it fills up with green smoke hiding every member of the cabal that's inside of it. 432 00:43:37,530 --> 00:43:44,270 Except that Jack Hawksmore, he's also known as the king of cities. He has this spatial sense that 433 00:43:44,270 --> 00:43:49,690 allows him to see what they're doing within the green smoke. And with each of their locations 434 00:43:49,690 --> 00:43:57,070 pinpointed within, he's going to cause the ground directly beneath them to quickly just launch 435 00:43:57,070 --> 00:44:02,590 upwards, slamming all of them into the ceiling of the dome shield. And it's going to knock all of them 436 00:44:02,590 --> 00:44:08,250 out, as well as bring down the force field. Oh, oh, he thinks so, huh? Yeah, when the force field 437 00:44:08,250 --> 00:44:13,470 dissipates and the green smoke clears away, the only thing that's left there is a green snake that 438 00:44:13,470 --> 00:44:19,310 grows into the size of like a freight train. Because the hood teleported every member of the 439 00:44:19,310 --> 00:44:24,450 cabal out of the force field just in time, except for Loki, who was providing a distraction with the 440 00:44:24,450 --> 00:44:30,670 smoke and shape shifting into a giant serpent. And that snake is just going to wrap around Apollo and 441 00:44:30,670 --> 00:44:38,090 devour him whole. Okay, well, that snake and Loki, I guess, is going to explode in this blinding light 442 00:44:38,090 --> 00:44:44,870 of energy from Apollo from within. And with Jack able to sense the cabal teleporting probably 443 00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:50,710 behind them, he's able to warn the others. And Jenny Sparks generates this powerful arc of 444 00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:55,810 electricity that chains to all of them and electrocutes them. Yeah, yeah, Jack thinks he's 445 00:44:55,810 --> 00:45:01,290 able to sense the cabal behind him, but only because of a psychic suggestion by Amarfrost. 446 00:45:01,290 --> 00:45:05,790 Jack doesn't really know anything. He's been manipulated this whole time. In reality, Jenny 447 00:45:05,790 --> 00:45:11,610 doesn't hit anything with her electricity. And when the cabal do reappear from the hood's 448 00:45:11,610 --> 00:45:16,890 teleportation, they're actually surrounding the authority on all sides, including Loki. He 449 00:45:16,890 --> 00:45:22,350 didn't actually get blown up. It was just an illusion diversion. And the red skull shoots from 450 00:45:22,350 --> 00:45:29,030 a gas gun, his dust of death compound at midnight, which poisons midnight and just desiccates his 451 00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:36,190 face into a red skull killing him. Midnighter is going to calculate what red skull is about to do. So 452 00:45:36,190 --> 00:45:41,430 just before red skull pulls the trigger on his gas gun, midnighters going to hurl his night stick 453 00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:48,570 into Red skull's chest area with enough force that it impales him. That's going to cause the red skull 454 00:45:48,570 --> 00:45:54,190 to squeeze his trigger as he gets knocked backward. And he ends up spraying the white queen 455 00:45:54,190 --> 00:45:59,830 in the face, desiccating her and causing her to die. Well, that's stupid. Two birds with one 456 00:45:59,830 --> 00:46:05,190 stone, I guess. That's right. But the hood is going to go for the same. He said he's going to up the game 457 00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:10,870 by shooting hellfire bullets from his twin pistols that are going to curve and hit Jenny 458 00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:17,170 Sparks and Midnighter and to the doctor all in one shot. Oh, no worries. The doctor, he's going to 459 00:46:17,170 --> 00:46:24,010 transmute those bullets into butterflies and Jack causes a massive geyser to erupt beneath the 460 00:46:24,010 --> 00:46:29,810 hood that's going to launch him into the air with boiling hot water. Hot water is not going to affect 461 00:46:29,810 --> 00:46:34,810 the hood. You know, he's like partially possessed by a demon while wearing the cloak. I don't think 462 00:46:34,810 --> 00:46:39,810 boiling water is going to hurt him if he's not hurt by like fire, you know, the hood is just going to 463 00:46:39,810 --> 00:46:45,550 teleport off this geyser and then in his demon form, he's just going to eviscerate Jack 464 00:46:45,550 --> 00:46:52,810 Hawksmore. So Jack is out and then Dr. Doom shoots an electric blast that fries the engineer 465 00:46:52,810 --> 00:46:59,150 circuits. So she's out too. I'm sorry. Jenny Sparks controls electricity, like all 466 00:46:59,150 --> 00:47:05,450 electricity around them. So she redirects that blast toward Modoc, which fries his circuits and 467 00:47:05,450 --> 00:47:10,910 shuts him down. So he's out of the match. Meanwhile, the doctor seeing the hood demon 468 00:47:10,910 --> 00:47:18,590 exercises the demon using knowledge from an old priest. And with the hood depowered, the doctor is 469 00:47:18,590 --> 00:47:26,610 going to cause him to just melt into a puddle. So he's out as well. Okay. Well, Jenny, she suddenly 470 00:47:26,610 --> 00:47:33,750 gets a dagger in the back by Loki, who snuck over to her and stabbed her. And then he teleports over to 471 00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:41,030 Midnighter and freezes him with an ice blast. Okay, well, Apollo doesn't appreciate that. So 472 00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:47,410 he's going to fly over and land between Loki and Midnighter, generating this blending flash of 473 00:47:47,410 --> 00:47:54,630 light to stun Loki before picking up and flying off with Midnighter to thaw him with heat energy. 474 00:47:54,630 --> 00:48:00,410 Meanwhile, the engineer is going to go up against Dr. Doom, and they're going to be exchanging laser 475 00:48:00,410 --> 00:48:07,390 blasts as a distraction while her duplicates maneuver behind him and infect his suit, shutting 476 00:48:07,390 --> 00:48:14,510 it down. You don't think that Doom has protection from nanite invasion? Like his systems have their 477 00:48:14,510 --> 00:48:21,710 own like mini nano Doom bots that would prevent such an attack like this. They stop the shutdown, 478 00:48:21,710 --> 00:48:27,630 and then in fact, they remotely hack the engineer's technology, infecting her with a 479 00:48:27,630 --> 00:48:33,490 virus into her system that turns into like this uncontrollable swarm of malfunctioning nano 480 00:48:33,490 --> 00:48:40,580 bots. I'm sorry, you don't think engineer has protection against other nanites? I say it's a 481 00:48:40,580 --> 00:48:46,490 Doom's nano bots that get the virus, infecting his system and causing all of his armor, like even his 482 00:48:46,490 --> 00:48:52,130 helmet, to fall off revealing his ugly mug. You can't just repeat my attack. You just literally 483 00:48:52,130 --> 00:48:57,650 did what I did. I say Doom's nanite attack is superior. You say otherwise. So it looks like we 484 00:48:57,650 --> 00:49:01,830 just have a stalemate, which means that Doom and the engineer are just going to be glitching each 485 00:49:01,830 --> 00:49:07,650 other in attempts to hack each other with nano bots. Meanwhile, while that's happening, the 486 00:49:07,650 --> 00:49:13,330 leader, he's going to mind control Apollo into crushing Midnighter like a grape, just turning 487 00:49:13,330 --> 00:49:20,790 him into this paste that will take way too long for Midnighter to heal from. Oh damn. Okay. Well, I 488 00:49:20,790 --> 00:49:26,610 guess to prevent the leader from controlling Apollo into killing everyone else on his team, the 489 00:49:26,610 --> 00:49:32,870 doctor is going to have to kill his own teammate by sucking all of the light and energy away from 490 00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:39,450 Apollo with this magic black hole, which is also going to pull him in. But the doctor is also going to 491 00:49:39,450 --> 00:49:45,270 maneuver that black hole over to Loki as well, vanishing him from the match before sealing that 492 00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:53,750 black hole closed. Okay. So your guy took out both Apollo and Loki? Yes. Okay. Uh, well, while that's 493 00:49:53,750 --> 00:50:02,110 going on, Dr. Doom manages to out hack the engineer by using magic, because he can do magic. She can't. 494 00:50:02,110 --> 00:50:08,570 Dr. Doom adds magic to his computer virus that she can't out hack. So he shuts her down with his magic 495 00:50:08,570 --> 00:50:15,510 nano bots. She's out of the match. And then the leader is going to fire a gamma mental bolt from his 496 00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:21,510 brain that just fries the doctor's mind and sever his connection to all those other minds in the 497 00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:28,630 ancestral garden. Okay. For maybe like a second, because at the last second, the doctor, he's going 498 00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:34,790 to stretch time and that's going to give him enough time for past doctors in the garden of ancestral 499 00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:41,450 memory to help the doctor regain access to his body, at which point he's just going to transform 500 00:50:41,450 --> 00:50:48,990 the leader's head into an actual scrotum with testes instead of brains. So he's out. And it looks 501 00:50:48,990 --> 00:50:55,890 like all we have left is Dr. Doom versus the doctor. So the doctor is going to end this right away by 502 00:50:55,890 --> 00:51:03,950 having doom be surrounded by his worst nightmare, a swarm of endless squirrels that devour him whole 503 00:51:03,950 --> 00:51:08,730 leaving nothing but his faceplate in the end. You're talking about when Dr. Doom was allegedly 504 00:51:08,730 --> 00:51:15,770 quote unquote defeated by squirrel girl. I mean, it was not alleged it happened. Well, Dr. Doom, 505 00:51:15,770 --> 00:51:20,790 while he's being attacked by the squirrels is going to remotely activate the time circuitry in 506 00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:27,670 his armor. That's going to rewind time to the point that the doctor summoned the squirrels and then 507 00:51:27,670 --> 00:51:35,050 doom just casts a mirror spell that results in the doctor getting eaten alive by his own swarm of 508 00:51:35,050 --> 00:51:40,050 squirrels. Okay, you want to play with time? I'm going to say that doesn't happen. And instead, the 509 00:51:40,050 --> 00:51:47,050 doctor actually jumps back in time to when doom was a newborn baby. And he just kills him in the crib. 510 00:51:47,050 --> 00:51:52,790 No, Doom already has a contingency set up as like this magic trap for anyone who would try to kill him 511 00:51:52,790 --> 00:52:00,110 as a baby. And so the doctor attempts to do this, but he just gets deatomized by like a trio of demons. 512 00:52:00,110 --> 00:52:06,330 Okay, and then the doctor reatomizes himself and then kills dooms parents instead. How does he 513 00:52:06,330 --> 00:52:14,050 reatomize himself? This is magic, bitch. But it's magic deatomization. I guess we have a stalemate 514 00:52:14,050 --> 00:52:20,330 here too. It's Dr. Doom's magic versus the doctor's magic, except that doom is going to out 515 00:52:20,330 --> 00:52:26,790 magic the doctor by incorporating science into his magic, which is something the doctor can't do. 516 00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:34,730 So there you go. The cabal wins. Yeah, sorry, magic trump science. So the cabal loses, in fact. Well, 517 00:52:34,730 --> 00:52:38,130 let's go ahead and leave the match there. Let's run the simulations. We'll find out which one of these 518 00:52:38,130 --> 00:52:45,190 scenarios happens. Either Dr. Doom manages to out time magic the doctor or the doctor manages to out 519 00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:51,090 time magic Dr. Doom. It's a weird sentence there, but let's run the stats and find out what happens. 520 00:52:51,090 --> 00:52:57,890 Agenine K hit it. Inputting data, running calculations, processing results, simulations 521 00:52:57,890 --> 00:53:03,770 complete. This was a good one. The authority is hella powerful, except for Swift, which we'll get 522 00:53:03,770 --> 00:53:09,750 into later. The cabal is also hella powerful, except for Red Skull. So it's kind of probably 523 00:53:09,750 --> 00:53:15,650 fitting that we paired up Swift and Red Skull being as they were by far the weakest members of each of 524 00:53:15,650 --> 00:53:23,030 our teams. Right. Yeah, we paired up Swift and Red Skull. We also paired up Apollo and Dr. Doom sort of 525 00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:28,470 in a callback to our Superman versus Dr. Doom episode. Statwise Midnighter was comparable to 526 00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:36,970 the Hood, Jenny Sparks to White Queen, the Engineer to Modoc and the Doctor to Loki, and Jack 527 00:53:36,970 --> 00:53:43,070 Hawksmore to the leader. Yeah, that was not a great matchup, but that was kind of all that was left. But 528 00:53:43,070 --> 00:53:48,990 statwise, as always in our team battles, everyone went up against everyone else. As we mentioned, 529 00:53:48,990 --> 00:53:55,770 Swift was my weakest character. She had an average win rate of only 12.3%. Yeah, I thought the most 530 00:53:55,770 --> 00:53:59,810 powerful member of your team was going to be Apollo, but it was actually the Doctor. And before 531 00:53:59,810 --> 00:54:04,230 this matchup, I had no idea who the Doctor was. Yeah, the guy's insanely powerful. He's actually 532 00:54:04,230 --> 00:54:09,770 a pretty cool character. I'm glad we pin him up against Loki. They're both almost omnipotent. 533 00:54:09,770 --> 00:54:15,590 Loki was actually just as powerful as Dr. Doom, who is incredibly impressive statistically. It's 534 00:54:15,590 --> 00:54:20,890 probably why he beat Superman all those years ago. He's basically like Batman meets Dr. Strange 535 00:54:20,890 --> 00:54:25,870 meets Iron Man all rolled up into one. So yeah, Dr. Doom had quite the impressive win rate winning 536 00:54:25,870 --> 00:54:33,810 74.4% of all his matches. Loki won 73.9% of all his matches. More of the authority characters on my 537 00:54:33,810 --> 00:54:41,550 roster had higher win rates than yours. Four of my guys had average win rates above 50%. Yeah, 538 00:54:41,550 --> 00:54:47,150 whereas I only had three, which included Dr. Doom, Loki, and Modok. Although the leader was right 539 00:54:47,150 --> 00:54:53,750 there winning 49.5% of all his matches, so roughly half. In regards to the overall stat comparison, 540 00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:59,710 the authority just wiped the floor with the cabal when it came to speed. But the cabal totally 541 00:54:59,710 --> 00:55:05,150 dominated the authority when it came to intelligence. There were a lot of master minds on 542 00:55:05,150 --> 00:55:10,330 this version of the cabal. So taking all of this into consideration, Joseph, which team do you 543 00:55:10,330 --> 00:55:15,650 think came out on top in this team duel match? I got to give it to the cabal. How can you not? There's 544 00:55:15,650 --> 00:55:21,350 Doom. You don't bet against Doom. You don't bet against the Red Skull, Modok, White Queen, Loki, 545 00:55:21,350 --> 00:55:27,490 Leader, I just I'm naming everybody now. They're all fantastic. Who the hell is Jack Hawksmore? 546 00:55:27,490 --> 00:55:32,910 That's not even a real name. It's certainly not the name of someone who deserves to win a match. I mean, 547 00:55:32,910 --> 00:55:39,030 his nickname is also the King of Cities. King of shitties. I don't know what I'm saying. I think 548 00:55:39,030 --> 00:55:45,770 that Instagram agrees with me because 51% of our followers who voted in our poll voted for the 549 00:55:45,770 --> 00:55:52,770 cabal. Well, that's now a whole lot at all. Were you trying to rhyme right there? No. Okay. I mean, any 550 00:55:52,770 --> 00:56:03,210 chance I get? Well, let's find out who won. A.J .9K. The results, please. The winner in the team duel 551 00:56:03,210 --> 00:56:13,950 matchup between the authority and the cabal is the cabal. Damn straight. What did you say about me 552 00:56:13,950 --> 00:56:19,210 learning today earlier? What was that, Jonathan? Are you going to learn something because the cabal 553 00:56:19,210 --> 00:56:29,750 only won 50.6% of the thousands of matches compared to the authority who won 49.4. This was an 554 00:56:29,750 --> 00:56:34,970 insanely close matchup. That is closer than I thought it was going to be. Actually, given the 555 00:56:34,970 --> 00:56:41,010 stat discrepancies, I would have figured that the cabal would have come out more wins ahead. I guess 556 00:56:41,010 --> 00:56:45,970 that means that in the simulations, the team didn't perform as well as they probably should 557 00:56:45,970 --> 00:56:51,470 have. I'm not going to lie. After we entered all of the stats, I thought the cabal was going to do a lot 558 00:56:51,470 --> 00:56:56,450 better. I'm not sure what happened there. There may have been some luck in your favor with that. Not 559 00:56:56,450 --> 00:57:01,750 enough to win though, but I got close. I got real close, and that's all that matters. It's not who 560 00:57:01,750 --> 00:57:08,310 wins. It's just about having fun. I did have fun winning. Yeah, you're right. Did you have fun 561 00:57:08,310 --> 00:57:13,770 losing? I mean, not really. You just said it's about having fun. Whatever. Great job, Marvel 562 00:57:13,770 --> 00:57:18,530 fans. You did it again. Like I said, we're winning the whole month of November. This is just the 563 00:57:18,530 --> 00:57:56,310 start. AG9K, help close us out. In our next episode, we are doing another duel, this time 564 00:57:56,310 --> 00:58:03,350 pitting the cowboy, Jonah Hex against the zombie cyborg, Deathlock. We want to give a big thanks to 565 00:58:03,350 --> 00:58:07,870 our executive producers, Jon Straussky, Zachary Hepburn, Dustin Belcom, Nathaniel Wegener, Levi 566 00:58:07,870 --> 00:58:13,190 Aitin, Austin Wieselowski, E.J. Dunkerly, Nick Ibonto, Scott Camacho, Gil Camacho, Adam Speese, 567 00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:18,410 Dean Malesky, Devin Davis, Joseph Kirsting, Mike Williams, and Paul Graves for helping make this 568 00:58:18,410 --> 00:58:24,170 podcast possible. We'll talk to you guys next week. Up, up, and away, true believers. You will 569 00:58:24,170 --> 00:58:25,050 respect my authoritar.