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Hi, 7 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:07,140 welcome to the DynaMic Duel Podcast, a weekly show where we review superhero films and debate the 8 00:01:07,140 --> 00:01:11,540 superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing their characters and stat-based battle 9 00:01:11,540 --> 00:01:17,320 simulations. I'm Marvelous Joe and I'm his twin brother, Johnny DC. And in this episode, we're 10 00:01:17,320 --> 00:01:24,200 going to find out who would win in a fight between the cowboy character of Jonah Hex and the zombie 11 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:30,600 cyborg character of Deathlock. Everybody knows you put a cowboy against anyone, the cowboy's 12 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:36,580 coming out on top. Sure, except for zombie cyborgs, obviously. Dude, zombies are like the 13 00:01:36,580 --> 00:01:42,300 easiest things to kill except when they're cyborgs. Except when the cyborg has a zombie 14 00:01:42,300 --> 00:01:48,060 brain. No, he has a human brain, it's reanimated, and he also has a computer brain to go with it. 15 00:01:48,060 --> 00:01:54,160 Marvel needs to make up their mind. Is he a zombie? Is he a cyborg? What's going on? He's a winner is 16 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:58,460 what he is. And we're going to find out later on this episode when he beats Jonah Hex. Before we get into 17 00:01:58,460 --> 00:02:02,500 that battle, we're going to break down the latest comic book movie news to come out this past week, of 18 00:02:02,500 --> 00:02:07,320 which we have a few news items, including the news that Brainiac has been confirmed as the villain 19 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:12,660 for the Man of Tomorrow film. We got a couple surprise crossover comic books released by 20 00:02:12,660 --> 00:02:17,560 Marvel and DC, the publishing divisions. And we also learned there is a Jimmy Olsen spin-off 21 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,700 television series in development. As always, we list our segment times in the episode 22 00:02:21,700 --> 00:02:25,220 description, so feel free to check out the show notes if you want to skip ahead to a particular 23 00:02:25,220 --> 00:02:30,560 topic. Our artificially intelligent dual simulator, AJ9K, has a quick message for our 24 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:37,960 listeners. So listen up. Why hello there. Do you want even more from this podcast? Then become a 25 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:42,860 part of the dynamic dual community on Patreon, where you can choose from three tiers. The Dynamic 26 00:02:42,860 --> 00:02:47,780 2.0 tier gives you access to our Discord chat server. The Fantastic Four tier gives you two 27 00:02:47,780 --> 00:02:52,900 bonus episodes each month, and the X-Force tier makes you an executive producer of this show. 28 00:02:52,900 --> 00:02:58,180 Lastly, the Dynamite podcast network tier lets you create your own podcast using this Monte Carlo 29 00:02:58,180 --> 00:03:02,620 simulator. 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Over on the Max Destruction podcast, hosts Scotty and Gilly, pet your favorite action heroes 37 00:03:40,300 --> 00:03:45,540 from film and television against each other. The Macho Twins are taking a quick break, but they'll 38 00:03:45,540 --> 00:03:51,200 be back in December with some Christmas season duals. On the Central World podcast, host Zachary 39 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:55,940 Hepburn speculates on fights between fan favorite anime and manga characters. In his next 40 00:03:55,940 --> 00:04:03,040 episode, Zach is revealing who would win between Shigeyo Kagayama, aka Mob from Mob Psycho 100 and 41 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:09,240 Tatsumaki the tornado of terror from One Punch Man. Visit dynamicpodcasts.com or click the link 42 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:13,860 in our show notes to listen to all the shows in the Dynamite podcast network. But with that out of the 43 00:04:13,860 --> 00:04:21,860 way, quick to the No Prize. A No Prize is an award that Marvel used to give out to fans. Our version, 44 00:04:21,860 --> 00:04:27,260 the Dynamic Dual No Prize, is a digital award that we post on Instagram for the person that we feel 45 00:04:27,260 --> 00:04:33,100 gave the best answer to our question of the week. Last week, we asked you guys, what Marvel or DC 46 00:04:33,100 --> 00:04:39,380 movie or television show from 2025 has been your favorite and why? And this is coming off of the end 47 00:04:39,380 --> 00:04:44,900 of Peacemaker Season 2, which was the final show released by Marvel or DC for this year. There's 48 00:04:44,900 --> 00:04:47,960 nothing really else that they're putting out that's new. So we wanted to get your guys' 49 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:52,520 opinions. Let's run down our honorable mentions as well as the No Prize winner. Our first honorable 50 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:58,420 mention goes to Alex Albro, who said, Not to be a dead horse, but it's got to be Superman. You know, I 51 00:04:58,420 --> 00:05:01,920 was worried about this movie, but you could feel the excitement in the parking lot in line for 52 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:07,560 concessions in the theater. Seeing him bleed in the opening moments was so abnormal and crazy. To 53 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:13,120 me, you know, this was a big determining factor in whether or not I keep up with DC. And it sold me. Made 54 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:18,780 me like a character I've historically disliked for a long time. Plus, you know, my wife liked it a 55 00:05:18,780 --> 00:05:22,640 lot too, which is great because she only goes to these movies because I ask her to. She's not a huge 56 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:27,900 fan, but she really liked Superman. Yeah, one of the biggest criticisms against Superman is that 57 00:05:27,900 --> 00:05:35,220 he's too powerful. So for this movie to open the way it did with him losing his first battle and we get to 58 00:05:35,220 --> 00:05:40,820 see him bruised and bleeding, I'm sure it was a shock for a lot of people who make that criticism 59 00:05:40,820 --> 00:05:45,640 against the character. Yeah, I think James Gunn knows that a vulnerable Superman is an 60 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,960 interesting Superman, whether that be emotionally vulnerable or physically 61 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:53,320 vulnerable. I think that's one of the main reasons why this particular movie resonated with fans as 62 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:58,520 much as it did this year. Great answer, Alex. Our next honorable mention goes to Colby Hinchus, who 63 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:05,300 said, Hey, boys, Colby Hinchus, the best Marvel DC project of 2025 was Superman. That movie had no 64 00:06:05,300 --> 00:06:10,460 right being as good as it was. I've watched it probably 20 times since it's been on Max. It's 65 00:06:10,460 --> 00:06:14,520 everything I wanted DC movie to be. It's everything the Snyderverse wasn't, which makes 66 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:21,920 it great. Yeah, James Gunn's approach to Superman, making him more human, is pretty much 67 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:27,760 exactly the opposite of what Zack Snyder tried to do, which was essentially to deify the character. 68 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:32,980 And whereas James Gunn's Superman was empathetic, even going so far as to save squirrels 69 00:06:32,980 --> 00:06:38,420 in Zack Snyder's universe, of course, you have pod can't questioning whether Clark Kent should even 70 00:06:38,420 --> 00:06:44,880 save a school bus full of children. They could not be more different. And I think the success of James 71 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:52,220 Gunn's Superman goes to show how people expect the character of Superman to be. He nailed that. Do you 72 00:06:52,220 --> 00:06:58,160 think James Gunn's Superman film affects your star rating for the Man of Steel movie? I still like 73 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:03,300 Man of Steel. I think it's an interesting Elseworlds tale. Like a sci-fi take on Superman, I 74 00:07:03,300 --> 00:07:10,300 think is really cool. But I do think that James Gunn nailed the character of Superman that I am more 75 00:07:10,300 --> 00:07:16,520 familiar with from the comics. Gotcha. I would say James Gunn is more of a comic fan, whereas Zack 76 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:22,020 Snyder is probably more of like a philosophy and mythology fan, I suppose. Well, great answer to 77 00:07:22,020 --> 00:07:28,860 Colby. Our final honorable mention goes to by Dear Bangora. Who said? Oh, Daniel, I think the best 78 00:07:28,860 --> 00:07:37,600 show of 2020. To be the second only the second. We'll turn again. I think the pacing are better. 79 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:42,700 The story telling was better. You can see that it was a bit different from there. And you can also see 80 00:07:42,700 --> 00:07:49,180 that the story and continues. And it seems like a continuation of the previous Daredevil series. 81 00:07:49,180 --> 00:07:55,520 So for me, it has to be the second half of Daredevil. One again. See, I'm the opposite. I actually liked 82 00:07:55,520 --> 00:08:00,900 the opening of Daredevil born again more than the closing. Well, the first episode was fantastic, 83 00:08:00,900 --> 00:08:05,280 right? Or at least the first part of the first episode. I enjoyed the show overall, and you could 84 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:09,620 definitely listen to our review of that series while it didn't quite hold up to the Netflix 85 00:08:09,620 --> 00:08:14,980 series. I think it's still very much carried on the torch that the Netflix series started. The show 86 00:08:14,980 --> 00:08:18,540 runners didn't switch halfway through the season. So I guess I'm a little bit confused why by 87 00:08:18,540 --> 00:08:24,220 dear preferred the second half. But I will say that the series did kind of meander a little bit in the 88 00:08:24,220 --> 00:08:29,460 middle of the season and didn't quite pick back up until we got into the Muse story arc. Great answer 89 00:08:29,460 --> 00:08:36,500 by dear, but the winner of this week's No Prize is Travis Herndon. Who said? What's up, Dany Medus? 90 00:08:36,500 --> 00:08:40,299 Travis here. Shout out to Maevele Twin. So my answer would be your friendly neighborhood, 91 00:08:40,299 --> 00:08:45,180 Spider-Man. I know like since the teaser trailer and pictures and stuff came out, everybody was 92 00:08:45,180 --> 00:08:51,520 bashing on it from the art style to it being quote unquote woke because of the great swaps and even 93 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:56,700 you guys were a little bit against it. But after it came out, the show was really good. Love how the 94 00:08:56,700 --> 00:09:01,680 origins of certain heroes and villains and everything. And I really enjoyed the show and I 95 00:09:01,680 --> 00:09:06,960 can't wait for season two. So yeah. Yeah. The reason that Travis won this week's No Prize is 96 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:12,100 largely because one, he gave an original answer, but also I have a lot to say about your friendly 97 00:09:12,100 --> 00:09:15,780 neighborhood, Spider-Man. Now, quick disclaimer, I haven't finished the season yet. 98 00:09:15,780 --> 00:09:22,400 I've only on episode like four or five, I think. But I can see where people would enjoy it because the 99 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:28,540 animation is fantastic. Done in the Steve Ditko art style, the way Spider-Man moves and like 100 00:09:28,540 --> 00:09:33,160 swings through the city is probably the most dynamic and visually spectacular the character 101 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:38,640 has ever looked in animation. Obviously not more so than the Spider-Verse films, though. I was just 102 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:45,380 about to say what? Yeah. The music is fantastic in the show. So it looks and sounds amazing. That 103 00:09:45,380 --> 00:09:50,920 being said, my gripes with the show still hold from my criticisms of when the show was being 104 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:57,520 developed. It was initially marketed as being an animated version of the MCU. Peter Parker giving 105 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:02,320 us a look at his early days of being Spider-Man during his freshman year. In fact, the show was 106 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:07,160 called Spider-Man freshman year. They changed it to your friendly neighborhood, Spider-Man, when 107 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:12,520 it was clear it was no longer going to be an MCU Spidey, but rather a multiversal variant of 108 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:18,560 Spidey. And the story is close enough to the MCU Spider-Man to kind of just piss you off because 109 00:10:18,560 --> 00:10:23,560 they make a whole bunch of changes that I feel like were unnecessary. Not in terms of like race 110 00:10:23,560 --> 00:10:28,500 bending or anything like that, but in terms of like having Peter go through experiences in his 111 00:10:28,500 --> 00:10:32,640 freshman year that we know that MCU Peter went through in his sophomore year, changing things 112 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:39,440 like his crush from Liz to Pearl, changing things like his origin being magical in nature and that he 113 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:44,260 was bitten by a spider that came through a mystical portal. As a matter of fact, Doctor Strange was 114 00:10:44,260 --> 00:10:49,240 there when Peter Parker got bit in this series, which kind of negates the whole introduction that 115 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:54,640 they had where Peter Parker was like, oh, we're going by our made up names. So I'm Spider-Man, you 116 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:59,600 know. So there's a lot that the series takes away from MCU Spidey. At the end of the day, I still 117 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:04,540 really wanted this to be what it was initially marketed as, as Tom Holland's Spider-Man's 118 00:11:04,540 --> 00:11:09,720 origin story. It's clever, sure, and how it approaches its universe's characters and 119 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:14,300 origins and things like that. But I've also seen that done really well in other animated 120 00:11:14,300 --> 00:11:19,160 Spider-Man shows, like Spectacular Spider-Man or the 90s Spider-Man. I mean, like I've said 121 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:23,740 before, when I first heard that this was a multiverse story, I was like, yeah, I'm not going 122 00:11:23,740 --> 00:11:28,780 to watch that. Is it worth watching? Do you recommend it? I think if you're a Spider-Man fan 123 00:11:28,780 --> 00:11:34,100 who isn't sick of seeing his original story rehashed time and again, especially if you're a 124 00:11:34,100 --> 00:11:38,600 fan of the early Ditko comic books and stuff like that, I think it's worth checking out for sure. OK, 125 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:44,040 so I should not watch it. Yeah, probably not. Yes. Well, great answer, Travis. I'm glad you like the 126 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:48,680 show. Congrats on winning this week's No Prize. If you, the listener, want to shot at winning your own 127 00:11:48,680 --> 00:11:54,460 No Prize, stay tuned to later on in this episode when we'll be asking another question of the week. 128 00:11:54,460 --> 00:12:06,700 But now that that's done, on to the news. OK, the world's worst kept secret. It was revealed last 129 00:12:06,700 --> 00:12:13,840 week by Umberto Gonzalez of The Wrap that the main villain of the Superman sequel, Man of Tomorrow, 130 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:19,540 is Brainiac. Now, we all suspected that this was going to be the case. James Gunn didn't 131 00:12:19,540 --> 00:12:27,220 necessarily even try to hide it going so far as to put an image of a brain on the script cover for Man of 132 00:12:27,220 --> 00:12:34,060 Tomorrow. But I do got to say with this news confirmed, I am super excited to see Brainiac in 133 00:12:34,060 --> 00:12:39,400 live action. He's the number one villain I've always wanted to see in a Superman movie. There's 134 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:45,100 been a lot of depictions of him in a lot of other media, like the animated series, like the video 135 00:12:45,100 --> 00:12:49,540 games, like Injustice, or even like the My Adventures with Superman cartoon that came out 136 00:12:49,540 --> 00:12:55,760 last year. I think with the advent of AI in real life, this is a very timely villain. And I'm super 137 00:12:55,760 --> 00:13:02,320 stoked to see him go toe to toe up against both Superman and Lex Luthor. Oh, yeah, super timely. 138 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:06,680 Although is Brainiac AI what you consider him? Sometimes he is. Sometimes he's more like an 139 00:13:06,680 --> 00:13:11,980 alien. What's your preferred version of Brainiac? Oh, that's a good question. I actually 140 00:13:11,980 --> 00:13:19,860 do prefer it when he is an AI who maybe kind of developed his own body. The Kaluan version is not 141 00:13:19,860 --> 00:13:24,700 my favorite version, though I wouldn't hate it if they went that direction. Brainiac, if you 142 00:13:24,700 --> 00:13:30,820 remember, in our Brainiac versus Ultron match is from the planet Colu, a alien race of super 143 00:13:30,820 --> 00:13:36,320 intelligent beings. And he was like the smartest one. I really liked the version that was in My 144 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:40,540 Adventures with Superman season two. He was really unique in there. Of course, Brainiac has 145 00:13:40,540 --> 00:13:45,020 been in a few animated movies as well, including one from the 90s called Superman Brainiac 146 00:13:45,020 --> 00:13:49,720 attacks. And then I think he was also the main antagonist in Superman Unbound. Yes, that's 147 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:55,360 correct. And he was also in Superman Red Sun. I'm super curious to see who they're going to cast in 148 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:59,400 the role. I'm hoping they're going to make that announcement soon because this movie starts 149 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:04,240 filming in April, surprisingly, which is awesome. Like remember when they used to make 150 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:09,280 superhero movies back to back? Yeah, they would like release the movie and then the following year 151 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:13,920 they would film the sequel so that the following year after that they would release the sequel. So 152 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:19,600 we would get the sequels a couple years apart from each other as opposed to five, six, seven years 153 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:24,960 apart looking at you, Shang-Chi. Yeah, this is the way to do it. Brainiac is the way to go. I am all 154 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:29,160 aboard the hype train. Just be sure to check your expectations right out of the gate, Jonathan. You 155 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:33,440 haven't even seen the Supergirl movie yet. Oh, I wonder if they'll have like an end credits teaser 156 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:40,700 of Brainiac. That would be dope. Sure. And other DC Superman related news. We also learned that DC 157 00:14:40,700 --> 00:14:48,380 Studios is developing a Jimmy Olsen spin off TV series from the character that we saw in the 158 00:14:48,380 --> 00:14:54,600 Superman movie. It's from the American Vandal creators. If you're familiar with that show, it's 159 00:14:54,600 --> 00:15:00,600 on Netflix. It won a Peabody and I think it was nominated for an Emmy. It's a fantastic show. If 160 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,820 you haven't seen it, hilarious. And I wonder if they're going to take the same kind of 161 00:15:04,820 --> 00:15:12,720 mockumentary approach with this Jimmy Olsen spin off show. Some people are calling it DC crime. I'm 162 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:17,980 not sure why. I don't think James Gunn knows why either. But I'm all there for it because it looks 163 00:15:17,980 --> 00:15:23,340 like a lot of the Daily Planet stars are set to return. I mean, that's great because I would say 164 00:15:23,340 --> 00:15:29,360 that the Daily Planet cast was underutilized and largely pointless in the Superman movie, which 165 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:34,600 was surprising considering the cast that they had for them, you know, like Beck Bennett, Wendell 166 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:39,340 Pierce, McKayla Hoover and Christopher McDonald. They played Steve Lombard, Perry 167 00:15:39,340 --> 00:15:45,900 White, Kat Grant and Ron Troupe respectively. I also wonder if maybe David Cornswet and Rachel 168 00:15:45,900 --> 00:15:51,760 Brosnahan will return to their roles also as Clark and Lois. That would be cool. I'm not sure how 169 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:57,480 excited people are about this, but I remember when they announced the powerless television show, 170 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:02,300 people were bitching about that for some reason, because I found the premise quite interesting. 171 00:16:02,300 --> 00:16:06,900 And then the show came out and like you liked it, you watched it. You thought it was great, but it ended 172 00:16:06,900 --> 00:16:11,680 up getting canceled early, largely due to the lack of interest in it. I hope that doesn't happen with 173 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:17,260 this. Yes, this is a television series that no one asked for. That doesn't mean it won't be good. I 174 00:16:17,260 --> 00:16:22,340 mean, I asked for this. I love this. I think if DC wants to get this off the ground, they should just 175 00:16:22,340 --> 00:16:28,060 title this spin off series The Daily Planet. Yeah, you got brand name recognition right there. I 176 00:16:28,060 --> 00:16:34,080 would also accept the adventures of Jimmy Olsen. No, no one's going to watch that. I would. And I hope 177 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:39,040 he would get turtle powers. Apparently the show is going to revolve also around Gorilla Grodd, 178 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:45,240 though. Maybe it's like Jimmy Olsen tracking Gorilla Grodd in Metropolis. And that sounds 179 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:51,180 amazing. How are you not excited about this? Anyone who's not excited about this? Because you 180 00:16:51,180 --> 00:16:56,660 should be. I mean, throwing in Gorilla Grodd does sound a little bit ridiculous, but in the best way. 181 00:16:56,660 --> 00:17:03,840 OK, in other news, in comic book news, actually, in a follow up to the Deadpool, Batman, Marvel and DC 182 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:10,060 crossover comic event from earlier this year, the publishers dropped two surprise web comics on DC 183 00:17:10,060 --> 00:17:16,839 Universe Infinite and Marvel Unlimited, a flash and fantastic for crossover story and a Shazam 184 00:17:16,839 --> 00:17:24,000 Thor crossover story. I think largely it was a means of promoting the other publishers' digital 185 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:28,420 subscription content, because it was the weirdest thing. As a Marvel Unlimited 186 00:17:28,420 --> 00:17:36,240 subscriber, I suddenly got an email from Marvel with an offer to subscribe to DC Comics. It was so 187 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:42,220 fucking disturbing. It's like hell is freezing over. Yeah. And I don't know, like, is that a good 188 00:17:42,220 --> 00:17:47,520 thing? What's happening? Is the science of like a consistent partnership and collaboration going 189 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:53,280 forward? Maybe even potentially a merger down the line? Better not. Is all I'm saying. We got to keep 190 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:57,460 these things separate. Otherwise, I'm not going to know who to root for. It would be like Star Wars 191 00:17:57,460 --> 00:18:02,600 and Star Trek promoting each other's content. Yeah, or like Pepsi and Coke joining forces to 192 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:08,740 release a new drink together. Ew. Pepsi Coke. That sounds disgusting. I would spit that out. Same 193 00:18:08,740 --> 00:18:14,080 here. That being said, if Marvel and DC want to collaborate on a fighting video game, combining 194 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:20,220 the two universes, I would be all for that. That is all I've ever wanted in life. I did read the Shazam 195 00:18:20,220 --> 00:18:25,260 Thor crossover comic book. I thought it was pretty good that you teamed up against Mr. Mind. I enjoyed 196 00:18:25,260 --> 00:18:34,800 it. But this crossover event brings us to our question of the week. Well, Marvel versus DC 197 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:41,760 crossover, have you always wanted to see in the comics? And why? Out of all the crossovers we've 198 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:47,060 gotten from the publishers, including, you know, the 90s DC versus Marvel crossover and even before 199 00:18:47,060 --> 00:18:52,420 that, like the original Superman versus Spider-Man and Hulk versus Batman. Later on in the 200 00:18:52,420 --> 00:18:58,420 2000s, we got JLA Avengers. And then recently, of course, the various crossover events. Besides 201 00:18:58,420 --> 00:19:03,960 those, what two characters from Marvel and DC have you always wanted to read about teaming up or going 202 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:08,160 up against each other? Record your answer at dynamicdool.com by clicking on the red 203 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:12,640 microphone button in the bottom right hand corner of the screen, which will prompt you to leave us a 204 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:17,600 voicemail. Your message could be up to 30 seconds long. And don't forget to leave your name in case we 205 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:22,260 include you on the podcast. We'll pick our favorite answer and award that person a dynamic 206 00:19:22,260 --> 00:19:35,880 dual no prize that will post to Instagram. Be sure to answer before November 22nd. But that doesn't 207 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:40,400 for all the news this week. So let's go ahead and move into our main event for this episode, where we 208 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:46,380 find out who would win in a fight between the DC character of Jonah Hex and the Marvel character of 209 00:19:46,380 --> 00:20:06,360 Deathlock. All right, Jonah Hex versus Deathlock. We've been trying to get both of these 210 00:20:06,360 --> 00:20:13,020 characters in a duel for years now. And the time has finally come. They're both semi popular, I think, 211 00:20:13,020 --> 00:20:18,880 within their respective universes. Jonah Hex even had a film adaptation and he was a prominent 212 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:24,120 character in one of the seasons of Legends of Tomorrow. Yeah, he was also featured in an episode 213 00:20:24,120 --> 00:20:30,900 of the Batman animated series and had his own DC showcase short, which was pretty good. Yeah, I 214 00:20:30,900 --> 00:20:36,520 really liked that one. Deathlock hasn't been in as much media, I would say. There was a version of the 215 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:40,720 character that was in the agents of shield television series, although it wasn't the 216 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,860 version of the character that I'll be going with, which is the original Deathlock from the comic 217 00:20:44,860 --> 00:20:49,220 books named Luther Manning. Basically, the other versions of Deathlock would be way too damn 218 00:20:49,220 --> 00:20:54,580 powerful for Jonah Hex. So we went with the original and let's beefed up a version of 219 00:20:54,580 --> 00:20:59,560 Deathlock. Yeah, basically, the reason we and the executive producers decided to pit these two 220 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:04,120 characters against each other is because we think they're awesome. And also because they have a lot 221 00:21:04,120 --> 00:21:10,940 of similarities in terms of like half of their face is missing and they're also really good marksmen 222 00:21:10,940 --> 00:21:16,820 with their guns. That's pretty much it. Yeah, you're right. I don't know much about Jonah Hex, so 223 00:21:16,820 --> 00:21:21,760 I'm interested in learning how accurate the movie adaptation was for the character. Well, I'm here 224 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:27,700 to set the record straight about how sucky their interpretation of Jonah Hex was. But before that, 225 00:21:27,700 --> 00:21:32,520 to explain the methodology behind our duels, let's go to our sentient dual simulator, Alfred 226 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:39,880 Jarvis, 9000. AJ9K, tell our listeners how you go about determining a winner in our dual matchups. 227 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:45,240 Yes, of course, sir. The way I determine a winner between the contestants is by running 1000 Monte 228 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:50,100 Carlo simulations using the characters statistics. A Monte Carlo simulation is a 229 00:21:50,100 --> 00:21:55,020 probabilistic model used to determine outcomes through random sampling. In this case, I 230 00:21:55,020 --> 00:21:59,200 randomize the statistics along a normal distribution as a way to simulate the many 231 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:04,140 variables that can occur during battle. The stat parameters are based on the official Marvel power 232 00:22:04,140 --> 00:22:09,420 grid from which the DC characters statistics are extrapolated. Additional stat categories are 233 00:22:09,420 --> 00:22:14,920 included such as range, damage potential, versatility and perception in order to create a 234 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:19,920 more detailed and accurate simulation. The results of the 1000 simulations provide a 235 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,860 percentage of wins for each character. The contestant with the higher percentage is 236 00:22:23,860 --> 00:22:28,680 declared the victor as they have a higher probability to win any given battle. In an 237 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:34,100 equitable pairing, neither character should win 100% of the matches. The comic book stories have 238 00:22:34,100 --> 00:22:38,960 shown that there's even a way for Batman to defeat Superman. So the confidence rate of my method 239 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:43,020 falls in line with the precedents that have been established in the source material. My 240 00:22:43,020 --> 00:22:47,500 mathematical simulations are without subjectivity or bias. Feats are not the sole 241 00:22:47,500 --> 00:22:53,980 consideration, nor are fan votes tabulated for determination of the winner. Thanks, AJ9K. 242 00:22:53,980 --> 00:22:57,240 Before we run the simulations, though, we like to break down each character's histories and 243 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:02,440 abilities before improvising a scenario on how we imagine one of the 1000 simulations would play out 244 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:07,480 beat for beat. And I believe it's my turn to go first with the Marvel characters backstory. So let me 245 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:14,020 tell you all about Deathlock. Luther Manning was a Detroit, Michigan native from an alternate 246 00:23:14,020 --> 00:23:21,480 reality called Earth 7484 in the greater Marvel multiverse. He enlisted in the US Army and rose to 247 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:27,780 the rank of Colonel before the political collapse of his reality. In his timeline, the Age of Heroes 248 00:23:27,780 --> 00:23:33,220 ended when the multinational corporation, RocksOn, used dimensional technology to 249 00:23:33,220 --> 00:23:39,100 eliminate Earth's superhumans. The aftermath triggered widespread war and devastation across 250 00:23:39,100 --> 00:23:44,600 the United States. Manning served through this turmoil, but during a training exercise, he was 251 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:49,420 critically injured by a concussion bomb. Declared legally dead after failing to survive 252 00:23:49,420 --> 00:23:56,620 surgery, he was selected by Major Simon Riker for Project Alphamec, a covert initiative intended 253 00:23:56,620 --> 00:24:02,780 to produce cyborg soldiers. Manning's remains were rebuilt by Simon's brother Harlan, who 254 00:24:02,780 --> 00:24:08,460 transplanted Manning's brain, nervous system, and surviving organic tissue into a cybernetic 255 00:24:08,460 --> 00:24:14,980 body. After five years in stasis, Manning was reanimated as the cyborg Deathlock, named for his 256 00:24:14,980 --> 00:24:20,020 ability to be locked into a suspended death-like state. Riker oversaw his training and 257 00:24:20,020 --> 00:24:25,800 deployment, intending to use the cyborgs to seize global power, while Harlan pursued his own vision 258 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:32,100 of replacing humanity entirely with cyborgs that he called Homo Ascendant. As Deathlock's human 259 00:24:32,100 --> 00:24:37,520 memories reemerged, he began resisting his program's directives and ultimately broke free 260 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:42,360 of Riker's control. In discovering his new condition, he learned that he had been declared 261 00:24:42,360 --> 00:24:48,260 dead and that his wife had remarried his friend, Mike Travers. Unable to take his own life due to 262 00:24:48,260 --> 00:24:53,460 built-in fail safes, he instead dedicated himself to undermining Riker, who at overtime 263 00:24:53,460 --> 00:24:58,920 also become a cyborg through his brother Harlan's experiments. Riker attempted to merge with New 264 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:04,740 York's Omni Computer to become the digital entity called Savier Machine, but Deathlock forced him 265 00:25:04,740 --> 00:25:10,380 out, leaving Riker mentally shattered. The CIA attempted to restore Luther's humanity by 266 00:25:10,380 --> 00:25:15,780 transferring his consciousness into a cloned human body, but the process only recreated his 267 00:25:15,780 --> 00:25:21,740 memories in the clone while leaving the cyborg unchanged. Deathlock continued operating for 268 00:25:21,740 --> 00:25:27,140 the agency, primarily targeting the threat of Harlan Riker, now operating as the cyborg 269 00:25:27,140 --> 00:25:32,140 Hellinger. During this period, Deathlock encountered a time-traveling Spider-Man from 270 00:25:32,140 --> 00:25:37,780 Earth 616, Marvel's primary timeline, as an early sign of the temporal disruptions that would 271 00:25:37,780 --> 00:25:43,700 repeatedly intersect with Luther's life. Deathlock soon encountered Godwolf, a former 272 00:25:43,700 --> 00:25:49,240 rocks-on operative turned rebel leader who sought to save what remained of America after the 273 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:53,840 elimination of the world's superhumans plunged into chaos. To protect him from Hellinger's 274 00:25:53,840 --> 00:26:00,760 forces, Godwolf displaced Deathlock through time to Earth 616. There, Deathlock assisted the 275 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:06,300 mystic hero Devil Slayer against a cult before an attempt to return him home was intercepted by the 276 00:26:06,300 --> 00:26:12,760 Fixer and Mintello. The villains implanted a control device in Luther and used the cyborg in an 277 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:18,000 assassination plot against the US president, but their plan was stopped by the Fantastic Four and 278 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:23,320 the Impossible Man. Freed from external control, Deathlock entered a catatonic state and was taken 279 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:30,280 into shield custody. Agents of Earth 616's rocks-on later stole Deathlock's cyborg body and 280 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,660 delivered it to their corporation facility, where this timeline's version of Harlan Riker 281 00:26:34,660 --> 00:26:39,740 examined it. Riker created a fully robotic Deathlock duplicate which was subsequently 282 00:26:39,740 --> 00:26:46,060 destroyed by the Thing and Quasar. Meanwhile, Luther's true body was reprogrammed by rocks-on 283 00:26:46,060 --> 00:26:51,920 for their efforts toward repeating the actions of Earth 7484 and eliminating the world's 284 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:57,140 superhumans. In Luther's native reality, Godwolf sent a clone of Luther back in time to 285 00:26:57,140 --> 00:27:02,380 locate the original Deathlock. Luther killed the clone during the confrontation, but the dying 286 00:27:02,380 --> 00:27:06,780 duplicate's touch restored Deathlock's suppressed memories and freed him from 287 00:27:06,780 --> 00:27:12,260 rocks-on's programming. Deathlock returned to his timeline with Captain America and Godwolf's 288 00:27:12,260 --> 00:27:17,960 team called the Redeemers to stop Hellinger from deploying an army of doomsday mechs. Though 289 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:23,600 Hellinger briefly took control of Deathlock's systems, Luther resisted long enough to kill him. 290 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:28,320 Captain America's subsequent actions in Earth 616 prevented rocks-on from destroying his 291 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:33,380 country, causing Marvel's reality to diverge from the timeline that produced Manning. 292 00:27:33,380 --> 00:27:38,500 Deathlock remained active in Earth 7484, assisting Godwolf against the foreign ruler 293 00:27:38,500 --> 00:27:43,520 Timestream after the Redeemers were killed in an An assault that triggered further global 294 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:48,620 destruction. Disillusioned upon learning Godwolf had hidden crucial information from him, 295 00:27:48,620 --> 00:27:53,400 Deathlok abandoned the struggle. He later fought alongside the deviant Tantalus, though these 296 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:59,120 battles did little to alter the ongoing collapse of his world. Upon learning that remnants of 297 00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:05,420 Roxxon had resumed their efforts to eliminate superhumans in Earth 616, Deathlok traveled back 298 00:28:05,420 --> 00:28:10,620 to that reality, only to be shut down and seized by SHIELD. Though repaired under the assumption he 299 00:28:10,620 --> 00:28:15,460 could be controlled, Deathlok rebooted autonomously, destroyed Roxxon's developing 300 00:28:15,460 --> 00:28:21,500 technology, and returned to his native timeline once again. By 2011, the computer core within 301 00:28:21,500 --> 00:28:27,260 Luther's body had deteriorated, leaving him operating in a severely degraded state and forced 302 00:28:27,260 --> 00:28:33,280 to survive on his own. TimeStream reappeared and recruited him with promises to rewrite the past so 303 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,720 that he would never become Deathlok. The scheme drew the attention of the Time Variance 304 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:42,940 Authority, who sent Godwolf to stop him. TimeStream recruited the human Luther Manning of 305 00:28:42,940 --> 00:28:50,260 Earth 616, while Godwolf enlisted Earth 616's version of Deathlok named Michael Collins. 306 00:28:50,260 --> 00:28:55,760 Luther eventually discovered TimeStream's true nature and cited with Michael Collins to end his 307 00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:01,160 plans. Regarding the Earth 616 version of Deathlok that I just mentioned, Michael Collins 308 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:06,860 was a computer programmer and neuroscientist born in Philadelphia who earned advanced degrees 309 00:29:06,860 --> 00:29:12,860 in prosthetics. A pacifist devoted to ethical technological development, he joined CyberTech 310 00:29:12,860 --> 00:29:17,740 Systems, which was a Roxxon subsidiary, believing his work in neural prosthetics would 311 00:29:17,740 --> 00:29:22,960 benefit the disabled. Unaware of his company's secret Deathlok program, Collins only learned 312 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:28,020 the truth when he discovered his research had been appropriated for weapons development. When he 313 00:29:28,020 --> 00:29:33,660 confronted his superior, Harlan Riker, Collins was shot with a sedative and his brain was 314 00:29:33,660 --> 00:29:39,540 transplanted into CyberTech's newest Deathlok cyborg. Upon awakening in the cyborg body, 315 00:29:39,540 --> 00:29:43,940 Michael Collins initially had no control over its actions and witnessed the machine killing 316 00:29:43,940 --> 00:29:49,340 soldiers during field testing. Gradually, he asserted his will, preventing the killing of a 317 00:29:49,340 --> 00:29:54,780 child and overriding the program's lethality protocols by imposing a strict no-killing 318 00:29:54,780 --> 00:29:59,840 parameter on the system. He learned that his original human body still existed and tracked 319 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:05,120 Harlan Riker to a weapons deal, capturing him before turning him over to authorities. 320 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:09,960 Michael's existence as Deathlok brought him into contact with SHIELD, the Fantastic Four, the 321 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:15,080 X-Men, Spider-Man, and other heroes. He participated in efforts ranging from preventing 322 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:19,860 a nuclear strike on the United States to stopping the Sinister Six and assisting in the defeat of 323 00:30:19,860 --> 00:30:25,800 Carnage. During this period, he revealed his cyborg identity to his family, his wife Tracy, 324 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:30,120 their children Nicholas and Tisha, and his extended relatives while continuing to search 325 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:36,000 for a way to restore his original body. Michael was later abducted to a distant world by the cosmic 326 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,860 scientist called The Stranger and lived there for years with other superhumans until their 327 00:30:40,860 --> 00:30:45,460 eventual escape. After the group's escape from the alien world, Michael found that he could 328 00:30:45,460 --> 00:30:50,980 revert to human form at will. However, once he arrived back on Earth, he was unable to transform 329 00:30:50,980 --> 00:30:57,160 back into Deathlok, ending his tenure as the hero. Meanwhile, Luther Manning, the original 330 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,980 Deathlok, still resentful of Godwulf's manipulations, stole a time gauntlet and 331 00:31:01,980 --> 00:31:07,820 abandoned his native timeline, traveling permanently to Earth 616. There he lived in the 332 00:31:07,820 --> 00:31:12,360 sewers of Manhattan where he helped protect innocent residents of an underground community 333 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:17,980 called the Tunnel Dwellers before departing them to contemplate his existence. There have been 334 00:31:17,980 --> 00:31:22,800 several other victims of the Deathlok program over the years, including Harlan Riker's own 335 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:29,280 daughter, called Deathlokit. But that is the history of the two primary Deathloks. For this 336 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:33,620 still, I'll be going with the original Luther Manning version of the character because Michael 337 00:31:33,620 --> 00:31:39,920 Collins is just way too strong and durable for it to be a fair fight against Jonah Hex. Powers-wise, 338 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:45,300 Luther Manning's Deathlok has a reanimated body with cyborg enhancements. This gives him 339 00:31:45,300 --> 00:31:50,800 increased strength, able to lift 10 tons, and enhanced durability. His mind reacts and 340 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:55,660 processes information at computer speeds and allows for tracking and targeting multiple 341 00:31:55,660 --> 00:32:01,600 subjects. He carries a helium neon laser pistol and a 9 inch throwing dagger that magnetically 342 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:07,680 attaches to his calf. As a former US Army colonel, he is a trained hand combatant, marksman, and 343 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:13,580 strategist. And that's Deathlok. I wanted to get into the backstory of both the primary Deathlok 344 00:32:13,580 --> 00:32:19,260 from Earth 74-84 and into the Earth 616 Deathlok, which was Michael Collins. They both have very 345 00:32:19,260 --> 00:32:22,720 different backstories. And actually, the Michael Collins version of the character was 346 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:28,540 created by Dwayne McDuffie, who also created characters like Static and Icon for Milestone 347 00:32:28,540 --> 00:32:36,360 Comics. I'm legit surprised that we have not had a Deathlok movie. I mean, just listening to that 348 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:43,260 backstory, it sounds like a 90s movie. Well, I mean, Robocop ripped it off wholesale. Deathlok 349 00:32:43,260 --> 00:32:48,620 came out in the 70s, Robocop came out in the 80s, but it's essentially the same exact story. Deathlok 350 00:32:48,620 --> 00:32:53,400 just looks a little bit more zombie cyborg. Henceforth, I will always watch Robocop thinking 351 00:32:53,400 --> 00:33:01,120 of it as a Deathlok movie in the same way that I watch Ghost thinking of it as a Deadman movie. The 80s, 352 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,780 man. They were just ripping off comic book stories all the time. Well, if Robocop is essentially 353 00:33:05,780 --> 00:33:12,400 Deathlok, I do have to say that his movie is better than the Jonah Hex movie, but the Jonah Hex comic 354 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:18,300 storyline would have made a better one. So let me get into his backstory from the comics. Jonah Hex 355 00:33:18,300 --> 00:33:25,540 was born in 1838 in Missouri to Woodson and Virginia Hex. His childhood was defined by 356 00:33:25,540 --> 00:33:32,540 Woodson's drinking and violent outbursts until Virginia fled, leaving Jonah behind. At 13, Jonah 357 00:33:32,540 --> 00:33:39,020 traveled west with Woodson during the Gold Rush. In need of safe passage, Woodson sold Jonah to an 358 00:33:39,020 --> 00:33:45,480 Apache tribe. Jonah lived as a slave until he saved their chief from a Puma, at which point he was 359 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:51,340 adopted as a member of the tribe. He learned Apache methods of hunting and tracking, and he formed 360 00:33:51,340 --> 00:33:58,860 bonds with the chief's son, Notante, and a young woman named White Fawn. At age 16, Jonah and 361 00:33:58,860 --> 00:34:06,520 Notante undertook a rite of passage to steal Kiowa horses. During the raid, Notante betrayed Jonah, 362 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:12,400 striking him unconscious and leaving him behind to claim White Fawn for himself. Taken prisoner, 363 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:18,219 Jonah survived a US cavalry assault on the Kiowa, but was shot in the stomach when he tried to stop the 364 00:34:18,219 --> 00:34:24,139 soldiers from killing children. Left for dead, he was rescued by an old trapper. When Jonah later 365 00:34:24,139 --> 00:34:29,040 attempted to return to the Apache, they had relocated, forcing him to wander the frontier 366 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:35,600 alone. As a young man, Jonah enlisted as a cavalry scout for the US Army, then joined the Confederacy 367 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:41,020 when the Civil War began, believing he was defending his homeland. He rose to lieutenant in 368 00:34:41,020 --> 00:34:45,860 the 4th Calvary and fought alongside Jeb Turnbull. After learning of the Emancipation 369 00:34:45,860 --> 00:34:51,120 Proclamation, Jonah could no longer justify the cause and deserted to Fort Charlotte to 370 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:56,860 surrender. He refused to reveal his unit's position, but a Union aide identified it from the 371 00:34:56,860 --> 00:35:02,740 clay on Jonah's horse's hooves. The Confederates were captured, and the Union commander staged a 372 00:35:02,740 --> 00:35:09,220 false escape tunnel so his starving men could kill the fleeing prisoners. Most of Jonah's comrades, 373 00:35:09,220 --> 00:35:14,720 including Jeb, were slaughtered. Jonah survived, killed the commander, and escaped. 374 00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:20,440 Labeled a traitor, Jonah was not allowed to return to the Confederate lines. He returned to the 375 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:25,660 Apache instead, seeking acceptance and discovered that Notante had married White Fawn. 376 00:35:25,660 --> 00:35:32,380 Jonah accused him of betrayal, and the chief ordered a trial by combat. Notante sabotaged 377 00:35:32,380 --> 00:35:39,400 Jonah's tomahawk, and Jonah resorted to a knife, violating tribal law. He killed Notante, and it 378 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:46,000 was branded across the right side of his face, the mark of a demon, before being exiled. Years later, 379 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:56,900 when Jonah returned to the Apache tribe to rescue a White captive, he was captured Jonah broke free, 380 00:35:56,900 --> 00:36:01,960 killed the chief, and gunned down several warriors before fleeing permanently. Jonah 381 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,980 wandered the frontier until the day he shot a man beating his wife in the street. The man was an 382 00:36:06,980 --> 00:36:13,500 outlaw named Lucas Mad Dog McGill, and the deputy who arrived recognized the bounty on his head. 383 00:36:13,500 --> 00:36:19,500 Realizing he could earn a living, killing men like McGill, Jonah became a bounty hunter. His first 384 00:36:19,500 --> 00:36:26,480 major hunt ended with rival manhunter Arby Stoneham taking his query and guns. Years later, 385 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:31,580 after Jonah had become widely feared, he found Stoneham crippled and chose to leave the past 386 00:36:31,580 --> 00:36:37,120 behind. Jonah spent decades tracking outlaws, foiling land schemes, clashing with corrupt 387 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:42,200 lawmen, and at times working with the US Secret Service, including disrupting an assassination 388 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:48,900 attempt on President Grant. He tried to protect peaceful tribes, but often arrived too late. His 389 00:36:48,900 --> 00:36:53,480 survival of gunfights, while wounded, outnumbered, or temporarily blinded, cemented 390 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:58,740 his reputation as one of the deadliest men alive. Jonah's path occasionally crossed with larger 391 00:36:58,740 --> 00:37:05,080 forces. He was abducted by the Lord of Time as one of the five warriors from forever, and turned 392 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:11,420 against the Justice League and Justice Society before breaking free and returning to his era. He 393 00:37:11,420 --> 00:37:17,000 later rode with Western legends like Bat-Lash, Cinnamon, and Skellpunter when the league was 394 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:23,260 thrown into the 19th century, and he fought Shadow Demon during the crisis on Infinite Earth. Jonah 395 00:37:23,260 --> 00:37:29,700 tried repeatedly to abandon violence. He married Mei Ling, who insisted he quit bounty hunting. 396 00:37:29,700 --> 00:37:35,620 After a fire destroyed their farm, Jonah secretly resumed the work to pay debts, and Mei Ling left 397 00:37:35,620 --> 00:37:41,740 him. Their son Jason later sought Jonah out as an adult, but the two failed to reconcile. Jonah 398 00:37:41,740 --> 00:37:46,860 formed an on-and-offigan partnership with Tallulah Black, a scarred gunfighter avenging 399 00:37:46,860 --> 00:37:52,820 her murdered family. He also encountered bizarre frontier threats, including zombies raised by a 400 00:37:52,820 --> 00:37:58,720 traveling surgeon, the subterranean autumn brothers, cannibal clans, and corrupt Wild West 401 00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:06,340 show promoters. In 1875, Jonah was abducted in a flash of light by Reinhold Borstyn, and taken to a 402 00:38:06,340 --> 00:38:12,500 post-apocalyptic 21st century Seattle. He escaped Borstyn's lab, allied briefly with a Road 403 00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:18,040 Reapers biker gang, donned a radiation-proof zone suit, and fought through mutants, 404 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:24,000 mercenaries, and alien-backed warlords. He became entangled in Sven Tara's rebellion 405 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:31,040 against the invading Exiggs. During his time in the future, Jonah discovered his own taxidermied 406 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:37,200 corpse in a carnival exhibit, confirming his eventual return and death in his own era. Though 407 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:43,280 the means are unknown, Jonah did return to the past. By the early 20th century, he lived with a 408 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:49,960 woman named Talbird. In 1904, George Barrow murdered Jonah in a saloon, with Sheriff Hank 409 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:56,800 Crawford shooting Barrow immediately. Showman L.B. Farmham stole Jonah's body, stuffed it in 410 00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:02,580 gaudy clothes, and exhibited it until Talbird reclaimed it. When the collector later attempted 411 00:39:02,580 --> 00:39:08,880 to seize the corpse, he was shot in the back by an unseen figure, implied to be a time-traveling 412 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:15,500 Jonah himself. In post-Flashpoint continuity, Jonah's early life remained mostly unchanged. 413 00:39:15,500 --> 00:39:20,280 His Confederate service and the Fort Charlotte massacre again left him wandering the West as a 414 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:26,740 bounty hunter with a strict moral code. In the 1880s, he traveled to Gotham at the request of Dr. 415 00:39:26,740 --> 00:39:32,460 Armadeus Arkham to hunt the Gotham Butcher. Jonah uncovered ties between the murderers and the 416 00:39:32,460 --> 00:39:38,060 religion of crime, drawing him into conflict with corrupt officials, industrialists, and secret 417 00:39:38,060 --> 00:39:44,380 societies. He fought through ambushes, machine gun traps, subterranean tunnels, and child labor 418 00:39:44,380 --> 00:39:49,760 rings beneath the city. He encountered the ancestors of the Wayne family, remnants of 419 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:55,900 ancient tribes, and early agents of the Courts of Owls while dismantling the crime-bible network. 420 00:39:55,900 --> 00:40:00,600 Jonah resumed life on the trail with Tallulah Black until an encounter with Booster Gold 421 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:06,540 displaced him in the 21st century. Mistaking for an unstable impersonator, he was committed to 422 00:40:06,540 --> 00:40:12,820 Arkham Asylum until Dr. Jeremiah Arkham confirmed his identity. Jonah adapted quickly, 423 00:40:12,820 --> 00:40:17,780 assisting modern heroes against criminals, monsters, and occult threats. He formed a 424 00:40:17,780 --> 00:40:23,560 relationship with a woman named Gina, and after a drunk driving accident left him comatose, 425 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:29,260 surgeons repaired his scarred face. Booster eventually returned Jonah to the Old West, with 426 00:40:29,260 --> 00:40:34,660 Gina accompanying him, though she died crossing the desert. Jonah also learned that an imposter 427 00:40:34,660 --> 00:40:41,220 with a similar scar had committed crimes using his name. When Jonah killed him, he gave his name as 428 00:40:41,220 --> 00:40:48,160 George Barrow, in effect, faking his own death. During the rise of the Dark Multiverse, Jonah was 429 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:53,500 resurrected by a black lantern ring and fought alongside Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman 430 00:40:53,500 --> 00:40:59,120 against the Batman who laughs. You can learn more about in our Batman Who Laughs vs. Cosmic 431 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:04,980 Ghostwriter episode. When his undead body was destroyed, Jonah's spirit was bound to a cursed 432 00:41:04,980 --> 00:41:12,060 firearm, later inherited by his descendant, Ginny Hex, a member of Young Justice, which you can 433 00:41:12,060 --> 00:41:17,800 learn more about in our Young Justice vs. Young Avengers team duel. The powers-wise, Jonah Hex 434 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:24,420 has no superhuman abilities, but is one of the most lethal marksmen of any era. He is a trained Apache 435 00:41:24,420 --> 00:41:30,340 warrior and hardened bounty hunter, capable of drawing and firing with exceptional speed and 436 00:41:30,340 --> 00:41:36,580 accuracy, even when injured or impaired. He is an expert tracker, able to follow faint signs across 437 00:41:36,580 --> 00:41:42,520 fast terrain, and he is a master with knives, tomahawks, sabers, and is a brutal hand-to-hand 438 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:47,740 combatant. That's Jonah Hex. Didn't he have mystical powers in the movie, if I remember 439 00:41:47,740 --> 00:41:54,500 correctly? Yes, in the movie, he had a magic touch that could bring people back to life until he 440 00:41:54,500 --> 00:41:59,600 touched them again. That's weird. Yeah, unnecessary, I think. The character makes for a 441 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:04,580 great Western cowboy without needing a superpower. He's just a badass, and that's all you 442 00:42:04,580 --> 00:42:09,620 need a cowboy to be. Do you think he has enough going for him to go up against Deathlock? He's gone up 443 00:42:09,620 --> 00:42:14,980 against worse, my friend. Yeah, there definitely seemed like an era where he was taken out of the 444 00:42:14,980 --> 00:42:21,020 whole Western genre and put more into like a post-apocalyptic pulp genre. Yeah, kind of like 445 00:42:21,020 --> 00:42:32,840 Deathlock. That's true. That's true. 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The winner is 460 00:44:02,020 --> 00:44:06,600 determined by simulations, not the speculation, but it's fun to imagine how the fight could play 461 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:12,840 out. AJ9K, what are the rules of our speculation? Well, I should say there are no rules, other than 462 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:17,340 the characters have no prior knowledge of the other going into the fight. All they are aware of 463 00:44:17,340 --> 00:44:21,920 starting out is that the other character is a threat that needs to be eliminated. For the 464 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:26,920 speculation, the contestants will begin approximately 50 meters apart in a nondescript 465 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:31,980 environment that will have no bearing on the match itself, as no environmental statistics are 466 00:44:31,980 --> 00:44:37,180 considered in my simulations. The contestants must earn victory on their own merit. All right, 467 00:44:37,180 --> 00:44:42,840 then let's get into it. Jonah Hex and Deathlock meet on the battlefield. Who goes first? Don't 468 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:49,380 answer that, actually. I already know. Jonah is literally the fastest draw in the West. So as they 469 00:44:49,380 --> 00:44:54,680 square off, staring each other down, Jonah is going to snap his gun forward, firing a shot that 470 00:44:54,680 --> 00:45:00,740 hits Deathlock, square between the eyes with his Colt 45 revolver. Blam! Square between 471 00:45:00,740 --> 00:45:07,460 Deathlock's eyes is actually flesh, because the cyborg part of his face doesn't extend directly in 472 00:45:07,460 --> 00:45:13,760 the middle, it's just on the left side of his face. Good. But Deathlock's computer implant grants 473 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:20,360 him enhanced reaction time. So no matter how quick of a draw Jonah Hex is, Deathlock still has time to 474 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:25,580 like somewhat at least turn his head so that the bullet actually hits the left side of his face, 475 00:45:25,580 --> 00:45:31,300 which is metal. So bullet ricochets and Deathlock is probably knocked to the ground from the impact. 476 00:45:31,300 --> 00:45:36,500 But from the ground, he's going to quickly pull out his laser pistol and just shoot Jonah Hex through 477 00:45:36,500 --> 00:45:42,460 the chest. Oh, you mean where he wears his bandolier of ammo? I guess Deathlock's shot also 478 00:45:42,460 --> 00:45:48,500 hits metal. I mean, I guess a laser pistol might trigger a round or two to go off, but those bullets 479 00:45:48,500 --> 00:45:54,300 are just going to graze Jonah's chest and he's going to shrug it off. So while Deathlock is still 480 00:45:54,300 --> 00:45:59,800 on the ground, Jonah is going to quick draw a second revolver. And so he's dual wielding. He's going to 481 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:05,240 fire 10 rounds right into Deathlock, killing him in seconds. No, no, no, Deathlock, he's going to 482 00:46:05,240 --> 00:46:10,820 kick off the ground into a back hand spring while his computer scanner is going to be tracking Jonah 483 00:46:10,820 --> 00:46:16,440 Hex's arm position. And that's going to allow Deathlock to dodge the bullets. And like even the 484 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,360 few that he wouldn't dodge, he'll just shoot out of the air with his laser gun because he's that 485 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:27,800 accurate at targeting. And as he dodges to one side to avoid like the last of the bullets from the 486 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:35,820 revolvers with his non shooting hand, Deathlock grabs and flings his dagger with perfect aim right 487 00:46:35,820 --> 00:46:43,040 into Jonah Hex's good eye. Good eye. I'm pretty sure both eyes are good, but doesn't he have a 488 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:49,560 fucked up eye? Kind of. He can still shoot perfectly with it, so it can't be that bad. It's 489 00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:54,700 just his eyelid that's missing. Oh, so he can't blink. So he has dry eye. He works with it. He works 490 00:46:54,700 --> 00:46:59,860 with it somehow. I'm going to say lucky for him. By my count, Jonah still had one round left in the 491 00:46:59,860 --> 00:47:05,440 chamber, and he's also accurate enough to shoot the dagger off course. So once he does that without 492 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:10,800 missing a beat, Jonah is going to charge at Deathlock using speed loaders that he got from the 493 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:16,700 future to reload his revolver as he runs toward him, flicking the cylinders into place and 494 00:47:16,700 --> 00:47:22,140 cocking those hammers back. He's going to unload on Deathlock again. Dude is a fucking one trick 495 00:47:22,140 --> 00:47:29,000 pony with his pistols. OK, Deathlock, he's going to power slide to dodge the gunfire and he 496 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:35,240 magnetically pulls his dagger back to him. And while Deathlock is moving to dodge the gunfire, 497 00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:40,900 you know, using his enhanced reaction time to help him, maybe he gets tagged once or twice by this new 498 00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:46,460 round of bullets. But that's fine because he can tank a few rounds at least, no problem. And he's so 499 00:47:46,460 --> 00:47:53,280 reflexive and agile, he can even dodge at close range. So he closes the distance between himself 500 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:59,420 and Jonah Hex. And with his dagger, he just slices off Jonah Hex's fingers on his right hand. Well, 501 00:47:59,420 --> 00:48:07,540 OK. Well, Jonah's probably very pissed off by that. So he will pull out a tomahawk with his left 502 00:48:07,540 --> 00:48:12,900 hand and he's going to chop off Deathlock's arm with it. Deathlock's arm is metal. The only thing 503 00:48:12,900 --> 00:48:17,620 that would happen would be like the tomahawk would just wedge into his shoulder joint. OK, so you 504 00:48:17,620 --> 00:48:23,140 can't use it anymore. Gotcha. He's fine. But while Deathlock is realizing that that's when Jonah 505 00:48:23,140 --> 00:48:29,380 quickly reaches under his trench coat to grab a sawed off twin barreled shotgun that he keeps at 506 00:48:29,380 --> 00:48:35,000 the small of his back, he's going to fire it point blank at Deathlock's face. Good luck dodging 507 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:39,700 that. Deathlock doesn't need to dodge that. He's going to block the shot with his mechanical hand, 508 00:48:39,700 --> 00:48:45,040 which covers the barrels. So the bullets ricochet and Jonah is going to catch some of that ricochet 509 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:50,180 from his own shotgun shot. And then Deathlock punches him hard enough to like send him flying 510 00:48:50,180 --> 00:48:57,880 like 20 yards back. What? And Jonah Hex drops the shotgun, which Deathlock crushes in his hands. 511 00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:04,900 Dang it. OK. I'm going to say Jonah knows he's beat. So he's going to raise his hands and surrender and 512 00:49:04,900 --> 00:49:12,680 slowly walk toward Deathlock, admitting defeat. But just as Jonah gets within range, he's going to 513 00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:18,880 quickly scrape a match against the stubble on his jawline and quickly light a small bundle of 514 00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:24,580 dynamite he had hidden in this pocket. And he's going to hurl that thing right at Deathlock before 515 00:49:24,580 --> 00:49:32,100 just turning and running like hell, basically. So Deathlock's going to blow up. Jonah Hex wins. And 516 00:49:32,100 --> 00:49:38,880 in the aftermath, we'll say Jonah sells Deathlock cybernetic parts for scrap metal as a bounty. No, 517 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:44,540 Jonah could try to kill Deathlock with dynamite. But to do that, he would have to throw it with 518 00:49:44,540 --> 00:49:50,300 perfect timing, right? So that it would explode right as it lands near Deathlock. Yeah. But in 519 00:49:50,300 --> 00:49:54,380 order to do that, he would have to like, you know, hold onto the bundle for at least a second before 520 00:49:54,380 --> 00:50:01,460 throwing it. Therefore, Deathlock uses his laser pistol to shoot the dynamite while Jonah Hex is 521 00:50:01,460 --> 00:50:07,640 holding onto it and it just explodes in his hands, killing him. Yeah, it was it was a short fuse. OK, 522 00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:13,040 like Jonah didn't need to hold onto it for very long at all. But he couldn't even throw the bundle that 523 00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:17,620 well, because he has buckshot in his gut from the ricochet from before. No, no, paint does not 524 00:50:17,620 --> 00:50:24,560 affect Jonah or his aim. Like he's probably had buckshot lodged in his body parts for years. He's 525 00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:30,120 like mostly made out of buckshot. He's like a cyborg in himself, like a really shitty cyborg. 526 00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:36,140 We'll go ahead and leave the match there. OK, either Jonah Hex manages to pull off exploding 527 00:50:36,140 --> 00:50:42,900 Deathlock with a bundle of dynamite or the dynamite gets shot while Jonah Hex is holding onto 528 00:50:42,900 --> 00:50:47,980 it and he blows himself up. We'll see which of those two scenarios happens when we input the character 529 00:50:47,980 --> 00:50:55,460 stats, run the thousand simulations and come back with a winner. A.J .9K. Hit it. Inputting data, 530 00:50:55,460 --> 00:51:02,060 running calculations, processing results, simulations complete. All right, I will say that 531 00:51:02,060 --> 00:51:07,720 neither of these guys are that impressive statistically, like especially compared with 532 00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:14,000 other superheroes. Yeah, both of these guys are kind of one trick ponies as well. Yeah, I mean, 533 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:19,280 Deathlock has enhanced strength and durability, but otherwise he just has like a little laser gun 534 00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:24,640 and a knife. He should have a better arsenal and actually the Michael Collins version of 535 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:30,640 Deathlock did. They were mostly tit for tat when it came to the stats. We gave Jonah Hex the edge when it 536 00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:36,920 came to damage level because I've seen him use dynamite before, essentially. But Deathlock 537 00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:42,100 came out ahead and a lot of the physical stats, like you mentioned, as well as perception. Yeah, but 538 00:51:42,100 --> 00:51:47,160 there are even when it came to like range and actually fighting, which surprised me, Jonah Hex 539 00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:51,420 is actually a better fighter than I guess I would have thought he was, given his backstory. I guess 540 00:51:51,420 --> 00:51:58,080 that makes sense. They had similar intellect and ebasin miss as well. Considering all of this, 541 00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:04,400 Jonathan, who's winning this match, who's your money on and how much money? If I was a betting man, I 542 00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:10,720 would put 100 large on the table. 100 large. Is that like a hundred thousand dollars or is that just a 543 00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:16,620 hundred dollars? No, no, I just mean a hundred dollars. Even though the odds are against me, 544 00:52:16,620 --> 00:52:24,160 according to our Instagram poll, 59 percent of the voters in that poll bet it in favor of Deathlock, 545 00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:28,940 essentially. Smart people. They look at a cowboy and then they look at a zombie cyborg and they're 546 00:52:28,940 --> 00:52:33,100 like, yeah, I'm going with the zombie cyborg on that one. And they know that the Jonah Hex movie 547 00:52:33,100 --> 00:52:38,220 sucks. So they know what they're doing. But let's get the actual results. AG9K, the results, 548 00:52:38,220 --> 00:52:44,960 please. Here you are, sir. All right, the winner between Jonah Hex and Joe Hex. Jonah Hex and 549 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:55,220 Deathlock is Deathlock. Gosh dang it. The demolisher he won out of a thousand matches, 658 550 00:52:55,220 --> 00:53:02,060 percent of the time, whereas Jonah Hex only won 34.2 percent of the time. In the end, it was 551 00:53:02,060 --> 00:53:07,640 Deathlock's enhanced strength and durability that won him out. Jonah Hex just couldn't compete 552 00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:13,100 with that. So I was afraid Deathlock was going to win. If he did, I did not think it was going to be by 553 00:53:13,100 --> 00:53:17,960 that much. He's essentially winning two thirds of the time, which sucks because like what does 554 00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:24,520 Deathlock have going for him? He has a gun and a knife. Jonah Hex has that and more. He has a cyborg 555 00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:31,080 body is what it comes down to. That's overrated. I guess this means that Jonah Hex couldn't beat 556 00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:37,620 Robocop either. Shoot him in the mouth. It's not that hard. My apologies to all of the Jonah Hex fans 557 00:53:37,620 --> 00:53:47,640 out there. This sucks. There are literally dozen of you. Now, there's more than that. Great job, 558 00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:52,780 Marvel fans. Like I said, in an earlier episode this month, we are going to take the month of 559 00:53:52,780 --> 00:53:58,420 November. We're coming back. We're going to close this gap. I scoffed at the idea at the time, but I am 560 00:53:58,420 --> 00:54:04,360 concerned now as you should be, as you should be. That does it for this duel, guys. AJ9K help close us 561 00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:11,740 out. Thanks for listening to Dynamic Joule. Visit the show's website at dynamicjoule.com and 562 00:54:11,740 --> 00:54:17,580 follow us on Instagram at Dynamic Joule podcast. You can support the show on Patreon at patreon.com 563 00:54:17,580 --> 00:54:22,880 slash dynamicjoule and joining a tier that works for you or by rating and reviewing Dynamic Joule on 564 00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:28,580 Apple podcasts, Spotify, Podchaser or on our website. Don't forget to listen to the other shows 565 00:54:28,580 --> 00:54:36,120 in the Dynamite podcast network, including Max Destruction, Senjo World and Console Combat. Our 566 00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:41,280 next episode is going to be another duel in which we find out who doing in a fight between Vandal 567 00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:49,880 Savage, the immortal DC villain versus Sebastian Shah, the not quite immortal, but long living and 568 00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:55,420 energy absorbing X-Men villain. Look forward to that next week. But that does it for this episode. 569 00:54:55,420 --> 00:55:00,080 We want to give a big thanks to our executive producers, John Sterosky, Zachary Hepburn, 570 00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:04,940 Dustin Belcombe, Nathaniel Wagner, Levi Yatan, Austin Wazalowski, AJ Dunkerly, Nick Obonto, 571 00:55:04,940 --> 00:55:10,320 Scott Camacho, Gil Camacho, Adam Spees, Dean Molesky, Devin Davis, Joseph Kirsting and Paul 572 00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:16,760 Graves for helping make this podcast possible. We'll talk to you guys next week up up and away. True 573 00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:21,920 believers. The amalgam version of these two characters would be a cowboy zombie cyborg called 574 00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:22,260 Death Hex.