1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,640 This is a DynaMic Network Podcast. Alright guys, the clock is ticking, the holidays are just weeks 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:13,460 away and if you still haven't finished your shopping, now's the time to act. So head to 3 00:00:13,460 --> 00:00:20,080 OldGlory.com where you'll find officially licensed Marvel and DC shirts, hoodies and gear, 4 00:00:20,080 --> 00:00:26,740 perfect for every fan on your list. They ship fast but time's running out to get your gifts before the 5 00:00:26,740 --> 00:00:36,100 holidays hit. So go now and use the promo code Duel at checkout to save 15% off your entire order. 6 00:00:36,100 --> 00:01:04,160 That's D-U-E-L at OldGlory.com because even superheroes can't stop the holiday countdown. 7 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:10,260 Hi, welcome to the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly show where we review superhero films and debate 8 00:01:10,260 --> 00:01:15,240 the superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing their characters in stat-based battle 9 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:21,620 simulations. I'm Johnny DC. And I'm his twin brother, Marvelous Joe. And there are only six 10 00:01:21,620 --> 00:01:28,860 episodes of this podcast left. We're counting down to our 10th anniversary and final episode and 11 00:01:28,860 --> 00:01:35,380 in this one we are doing a duel between the characters of Gypsy and Shadowcat. One was a 12 00:01:35,380 --> 00:01:41,660 member of the Justice League during the Detroit era and one is a mainstay of the X-Men. Yeah, it's 13 00:01:41,660 --> 00:01:48,120 probably a crime that we've waited this long to get to a kitty pride duel. But here we are and I cannot 14 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:53,260 wait for Shadowcat to beat the shit out of this DC character that I've never even heard of. You've 15 00:01:53,260 --> 00:01:58,920 never heard of Gypsy before? I have never heard of Gypsy and I don't care to either. Well, I hate to 16 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:05,140 tell you this, but you're gonna hear about her in this episode. Yeah, be grudgingly so though. I'm 17 00:02:05,140 --> 00:02:10,720 gonna laugh when not only she beats Shadowcat, kitty pride, but also becomes like your new 18 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:15,440 favorite DC character. That's asking for a lot. We're gonna find out who's gonna win later on in 19 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:20,760 this episode. Before that, we're gonna break down the comic book movie news from the past week of 20 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:26,240 which there is a doozy, probably one of the biggest news items to come out in the 10 years of this 21 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:37,600 podcast and that is Netflix is set to buy Warner Brothers and an $87 billion deal. Shut up. Shut up. 22 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:42,580 I don't want to hear it. As always, guys, we list our segment times in our episode description, so feel 23 00:02:42,580 --> 00:02:47,140 free to check out the show notes if you want to skip ahead to a particular topic. Guys, our 24 00:02:47,140 --> 00:02:52,060 artificially intelligent duel simulator, AJ9K has a quick message for our listeners, so listen 25 00:02:52,060 --> 00:02:59,840 up. Hello. These are the final episodes of Dynamic Jules Weekly podcast, leading up to our grand 26 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:06,120 finale on January 20th. We hope you've enjoyed the past 10 years of Marvel and DC Jules and reviews, 27 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:11,120 and we'd love for you to stick with us as we count down these last episodes. We're inviting you, the 28 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:16,320 listener, to help us close out the show by visiting dynamicjule.com over the next few weeks and 29 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:20,740 clicking the red microphone button in the bottom right corner to leave us a voicemail that will play 30 00:03:20,740 --> 00:03:25,920 during the final episode. Tell us what first got you into DC or Marvel, how long you've been 31 00:03:25,920 --> 00:03:30,520 listening, a favorite episode or moment or anything else you want to share about what the 32 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:36,080 podcast has meant to you. Your messages will be aired and responded to on the January 20th finale. 33 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:42,020 Again, head to dynamicjules.com and leave your final message. We would love to hear from you. Pip 34 00:03:42,020 --> 00:03:50,300 pip cheerio. Thanks AJ9K and thanks to everyone who takes the time to call in and leave a voicemail. 35 00:03:50,300 --> 00:03:54,220 Guys, be sure to tune into the other shows and the Dynamite Podcast Network this week, including 36 00:03:54,220 --> 00:03:59,520 the console combat podcast, where hosts John and Dean simulate battles between popular video game 37 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:04,540 characters. In yesterday's episode, they found out who'd win between the Arbiter, Thelva Dom from 38 00:04:04,540 --> 00:04:10,340 Halo and Commander Shepard from Mass Effect. Over on the Max Destruction podcast, hosts Scotty and 39 00:04:10,340 --> 00:04:15,380 Gilly pay your favorite action heroes from film and television against each other. On Thursday, 40 00:04:15,380 --> 00:04:20,120 the Macho Twins are learning who would win in a fight between major chip hazard from small 41 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:26,280 soldiers and Buzz Lightyear from Toy Story. And on the Central World podcast, host Zachary Hepburn 42 00:04:26,280 --> 00:04:31,680 speculates on fights between fan favorite anime and manga characters. In his next episode, Zac is 43 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:38,020 revealing who would win between Shigio Kageyama, aka Mob from Mob Psycho 100 and Tatsumaki, the 44 00:04:38,020 --> 00:04:44,240 tornado of terror from One Punch Man. Visit dynamicpodcasts.com or click the link in our show 45 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:50,000 notes to listen to all of the shows in the Dynamite podcast network. But with that out of the way, 46 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:57,280 quick to the No Prize. A No Prize is an award that Marvel used to give out to fans. Our version, the 47 00:04:57,280 --> 00:05:02,560 Dynamic Dual No Prize, is a digital award we post on Instagram for the person that we feel gave the best 48 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:08,160 answer to our question of the week. Last week, we asked you guys, what review episode of Dynamic 49 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:13,480 Dual did you get the most out of? And that was coming off of the announcement that we had gotten through 50 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:18,360 all the reviews that we were going to before the show's finale, at which point we're changing from 51 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:23,320 a weekly podcast. We got three answers. So let's go ahead and run down our two honorable mentions as 52 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:30,220 well as the No Prize winner. Our first honorable mention goes to CJ Kraft, who said, Hey guys, it's 53 00:05:30,220 --> 00:05:35,680 CJ Kraft. And I think my favorite review you guys have done has been Werewolf by Night. I remember 54 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:41,800 watching it and thinking I can't wait to see what the Dynamic Dual guys have to say about this. And 55 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:47,520 you guys for the most part felt the same way I did about it. Plus, it was just overall a good episode. 56 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:54,000 So it's going to suck to see you guys go, but I'll be appreciative for any episodes we do again. Yeah, 57 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:58,360 Werewolf by Night was interesting to review largely because it's one of the more unique pieces 58 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:03,020 of media that Marvel Studios have put out. You know, it was a special presentation around 59 00:06:03,020 --> 00:06:09,460 Halloween a couple years ago. And it's always, I think, just more fun to review things that are 60 00:06:09,460 --> 00:06:14,820 unique and special. Yeah, honestly, I'm surprised Marvel hasn't done more with not only 61 00:06:14,820 --> 00:06:20,480 those characters, but that format, the short film format. I feel like they should be releasing a new 62 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:26,680 special presentation at least twice a year, at least once a year. I would settle for that. I think 63 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:30,800 you're right, though. They seem easier to produce. They're a great way to explore 64 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:36,180 unexplored areas of the Marvel universe. And it's a great way to get creative and interesting with 65 00:06:36,180 --> 00:06:41,240 the continuity. I can't wait to see Werewolf by Night and Man Things show up again and Elsa 66 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:45,780 Bloodstone and another piece of media. Hopefully they like show up in a midnight sun's movie or 67 00:06:45,780 --> 00:06:49,900 something like that. But who knows when that'll happen. Overall, I really loved that special 68 00:06:49,900 --> 00:06:54,240 presentation and I'm glad CJ Kraft that you enjoyed what we said about it. And I'm glad that you 69 00:06:54,240 --> 00:07:00,800 felt the same way. Thanks CJ Kraft. Our next honorable mention goes to Alex Albro, who said, 70 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:06,800 OK, hear me out. The Batman and Robin review. For one, this is when the audio no prize answers were 71 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:11,060 first announced. So all of us calling in get something out of this one. But I love this movie as a 72 00:07:11,060 --> 00:07:15,760 kid and had no idea it had any issues. I'd watch it multiple times a week and probably burned out the 73 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:21,100 VHS. Robin's costume was sick. The black and silver costumes were sick. George Clooney is 74 00:07:21,100 --> 00:07:26,920 Batman for me. I guess my mid 20s, I can see your points on what's bad, but nostalgia hits hard. 75 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:31,180 This is the best Batman movie in the first DC movie I've seen. All right, it looks like you got cut off 76 00:07:31,180 --> 00:07:35,740 there and I'm not going to lie. This was the last review I thought anyone would say was their 77 00:07:35,740 --> 00:07:43,340 favorite. We just trashed the film. Basically, I hadn't seen it in maybe decades prior, I think, 78 00:07:43,340 --> 00:07:49,480 before reviewing it. And well, it may have some nostalgic appeal. There's just way too many cod 79 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:55,240 pieces. Yeah, Jonathan has a threshold for how many cod pieces he'll allow in a movie. I do. Yeah, I 80 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:59,680 remember actually getting flack from a few listeners that we even reviewed Batman and Robin 81 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:04,100 because they're like, we all know this movie sucks. Why are you wasting your time? And that was 82 00:08:04,100 --> 00:08:09,840 the first time I think I mentioned to listeners that the reason that Dynamic Duel started, its 83 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:16,220 primary purpose was to review all the Marvel and DC films that had come out. And the whole dual 84 00:08:16,220 --> 00:08:20,500 speculation thing kind of came across as an afterthought of that, because we would always 85 00:08:20,500 --> 00:08:24,440 argue about the battles. And then we were like, oh, we could actually use math to kind of figure this 86 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:29,840 out. But yeah, the goal was to review these films, whether they were good or bad. We were going to talk 87 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:34,500 about them. And I'm surprised that considering when the movie came out and how old we were that we 88 00:08:34,500 --> 00:08:39,100 don't actually have nostalgic value for Batman and Robin, it was kind of like we just recognized it 89 00:08:39,100 --> 00:08:45,200 as pretty damn bad, even as children. Well, it wasn't the first Batman movie we saw. We grew up 90 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:53,220 with the 89 Batman film on VHS. So comparing it to not only that, but also Batman Returns and Batman 91 00:08:53,220 --> 00:09:00,400 Forever. It was easy to see that this was just so different and just weird that. Yeah, it was it was 92 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:06,080 easy to not appreciate it. I think for people our age. Yeah, it was when the critic version of 93 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:13,500 Jonathan first manifested at 11 years old. Another cod piece, one star. Thanks for the 94 00:09:13,500 --> 00:09:20,160 answer, Alex. But the winner of this week's No Prize is Kev, who I think might be Kevin Odleon, a 95 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:25,940 longtime listener, but I'm not quite sure. I could be wrong. But he said, hey, what's up, guys? This is 96 00:09:25,940 --> 00:09:34,840 Kev. The review that I enjoyed the most from you all was the Infinity War review. That's actually how I 97 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:40,640 found you guys. I was looking for a review on a movie and I found you out. And that led me to listen to more 98 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:48,900 of your backlog. And yeah. Yeah, I think Infinity War and Endgame really expanded the fan base a lot. 99 00:09:48,900 --> 00:09:54,520 It was just such a great period of excitement to be a Marvel Studios fan around that time that people 100 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:58,940 were just craving that content. I think we saw pretty good growth in our listenership when those 101 00:09:58,940 --> 00:10:03,280 two films came out because they were fucking fantastic movies. We gave both of them five stars 102 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:09,840 and it was a lot of fun to just basically just gush all over the movie in our review of it. Ew, you liked 103 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:14,960 the movies, too. I distinctly remember walking out of the theater and like going up to Jonathan and 104 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:19,740 being like, I think that's our first five star review. And he was like, damn it, you're right. I 105 00:10:19,740 --> 00:10:23,940 don't think it was our first five star review, but I do remember being like, yeah, this is like the 106 00:10:23,940 --> 00:10:29,760 Empire Strikes Back of superhero films. We have to give it five stars. Was the Dark Knight our first 107 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:34,660 five star review? Yeah, I think so. That sounds about right. I'm not surprised that Infinity War 108 00:10:34,660 --> 00:10:40,200 or Endgame was an answer for this week's question of the week. I am surprised that no one called in 109 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:46,000 with the Joker review, though, because if I'm not mistaken, that is our most listened to episode of 110 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:52,900 all time. Surprisingly, I think it's a toss up between our Joker review and our Avengers Endgame 111 00:10:52,900 --> 00:10:57,980 review, but that's only for Apple podcasts. Honestly, I think your Joker review just confused 112 00:10:57,980 --> 00:11:02,760 a lot of people because everybody was like, oh, this movie is amazing. And you came out like, oh, 113 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:11,080 this movie made me uncomfortable. It did. It did. How could it not? That was a fun one, though. That 114 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:16,240 was a fun episode for sure. So congrats to Kev for winning this week's snow prize. In fact, that was 115 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:21,640 the very last snow prize that we'll be handing out because for our last few episodes, we're really 116 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:27,900 hoping that you guys call in and give us a farewell message that will air on our final episode. Just 117 00:11:27,900 --> 00:11:32,180 let us know how long you've been listening. You know, if you have a favorite episode or moment from 118 00:11:32,180 --> 00:11:37,380 the show or anything else that you want to share about dynamic duel and what it meant to you. And 119 00:11:37,380 --> 00:11:42,020 unlike the question of the week answers, we're not giving you 30 seconds to do it. We're giving you two 120 00:11:42,020 --> 00:11:46,260 whole minutes. And don't forget to leave your name when you call in by clicking on the red microphone 121 00:11:46,260 --> 00:11:51,500 button in the bottom right hand corner of the screen at dynamic duel.com. That'll prompt you to 122 00:11:51,500 --> 00:11:56,940 leave us a voicemail. Again, your message could be up to two minutes long, and we will play your 123 00:11:56,940 --> 00:12:08,980 voicemail on our final episode. But now that that's done on to the news. OK, last week, Netflix 124 00:12:08,980 --> 00:12:14,760 announced its intention to acquire Warner Brothers in a deal that was valued at 125 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:21,020 approximately eighty seven billion dollars, making it the largest studio acquisition of all 126 00:12:21,020 --> 00:12:27,960 time. Like Disney didn't pay that much for Fox. So that's kind of cool in a way. Netflix, of course, 127 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:34,040 bid out Comcast and Paramount, who had also expressed interest in acquiring Warner 128 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:39,500 Brothers, but they just couldn't match the number that Netflix did. The deal, of course, is not 129 00:12:39,500 --> 00:12:47,060 finalized, and it's going to require at least a year of not only regulatory review, but also the 130 00:12:47,060 --> 00:12:53,680 division of Warner Brothers Studios from discoveries, televised content. But basically, 131 00:12:53,680 --> 00:13:00,900 what Netflix wants to do is absorb Warner Brothers film and television library, their major 132 00:13:00,900 --> 00:13:08,000 franchises and production capabilities into its streaming ecosystem. Early reporting is 133 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:12,640 indicating that Netflix is primarily interested, of course, in Warner Brothers IP 134 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:18,740 assets and content pipeline, rather than its physical operations, including DC Comics and its 135 00:13:18,740 --> 00:13:24,900 publishing divisions or ancillary business units. I don't think there's any doubt as to how 136 00:13:24,900 --> 00:13:30,060 that would radically reshape Hollywood's and the comic industry's landscape, because Netflix 137 00:13:30,060 --> 00:13:36,180 will be consolidating one of the oldest studios under what is currently the world's dominant 138 00:13:36,180 --> 00:13:40,880 streaming platform, which, of course, will raise significant questions about the future of 139 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:47,580 theatrical releases, legacy media operations and divisions like DC Comics and Warner Brothers 140 00:13:47,580 --> 00:13:54,540 Games. Now, I think it's been reported recently that Netflix is, in fact, interested in including 141 00:13:54,540 --> 00:13:59,360 Warner Brothers Games as part of its acquisitions. But there's been little to no word 142 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:06,540 about DC Comics. And I'm not going to lie, it has me really freaked out and pretty depressed. It's a 143 00:14:06,540 --> 00:14:11,300 fortunate timing that we're ending this podcast in a matter of weeks, because it seems like this is 144 00:14:11,300 --> 00:14:19,800 the end of DC Comics in general. Like Marvel just won, right, Jonathan? I mean, it kind of feels that 145 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:26,500 way. I'm not going to lie, because Netflix only wants the DC intellectual property. It's 146 00:14:26,500 --> 00:14:32,220 characters and its stories, not the comics themselves, not the creators and not the legacy. 147 00:14:32,220 --> 00:14:39,700 Because Netflix is a industry disruptor, who's openly signaled that they don't want the whole 148 00:14:39,700 --> 00:14:45,380 Warner Brothers machine, including the loss making divisions that don't fit their business 149 00:14:45,380 --> 00:14:50,080 model and would be left on the transactional floor. Like Paramount was the only company that 150 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:55,600 was actually interested in acquiring all of Warner Brothers assets. Can you explain what 151 00:14:55,600 --> 00:15:00,900 Netflix's business model is as you understand it and why that would not include DC Comics? So 152 00:15:00,900 --> 00:15:07,460 Netflix is a content algorithm, not a creative studio. And print comics wouldn't really survive 153 00:15:07,460 --> 00:15:15,560 in that business model. You know where Hollywood has artistic gatekeeping? Netflix just dumps 154 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:22,060 content to keep subscribers engaged. Things like quality, tradition and legacy don't matter when 155 00:15:22,060 --> 00:15:28,800 the only metric is subscriber retention. So monthly comics, a niche, expensive medium would 156 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:35,040 have no place in that system. Right. There's no way to put physical print comic books onto the Netflix 157 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:39,900 digital platform. I guess there is in the form of digital comic books, but it's not clear at this 158 00:15:39,900 --> 00:15:44,480 time as to whether or not Netflix would be interested in actually putting digital comics on 159 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:51,400 their streamer. They might. And that's the only way I think DC Comics survives in the medium of 160 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:58,400 comics, whether that's digital or print. I could totally see Netflix wanting to put new kinds of 161 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:03,380 digital content on their platform just to keep people subscribed or maybe even acquire 162 00:16:03,380 --> 00:16:10,780 subscribers at a higher rate if they're offering things like books or podcasts, maybe. But comic 163 00:16:10,780 --> 00:16:19,600 books are such a small industry like DC Comics is only a tiny fraction of Warner Brothers revenue. 164 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:25,000 It may even be a money loser if you look at the purchasing transfer comics within the past 20, 30 165 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:32,300 years. And Netflix is not going to subsidize a dying medium. Warner Brothers kept comics alive 166 00:16:32,300 --> 00:16:38,840 to cultivate IP, but Netflix doesn't really need that. They have cheaper R &D through algorithmic 167 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:47,260 data. And now AI comics have shrinking readership, shrinking orders, high costs. And 168 00:16:47,260 --> 00:16:51,260 I'm pretty sure Netflix's lawyers and accountants when they're finalizing this deal 169 00:16:51,260 --> 00:16:55,300 are just going to elect that and be like, absolutely not. That's my theory. In what 170 00:16:55,300 --> 00:17:01,720 scenarios do you see DC Comic Book surviving as a print medium if this deal goes through? I think 171 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:08,040 superheroes like Batman and Superman will thrive in streaming and animation. But like paper 172 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:14,140 comics, they're probably gone. Netflix, I imagine, would have no motive to maintain 173 00:17:14,140 --> 00:17:19,980 physical publishing. And digital only AI assisted comics are going to be far cheaper and 174 00:17:19,980 --> 00:17:27,880 easier to produce. So I think the DC stories will continue, but printed DC Comics likely won't. 175 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:33,380 Unless, of course, Netflix does what they currently do with Miller World Comics, which they 176 00:17:33,380 --> 00:17:39,400 currently own, and that's license those characters to currently Dark Horse Comics. 177 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:45,280 Previously, it was Image. That's right. Netflix licenses the Miller World Comic Books to Dark 178 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:50,540 Horse, who then produces and then publishes those comic books. Right. But it's not exactly like 179 00:17:50,540 --> 00:17:57,360 Miller World is thriving under Netflix. Like Mark Miller still has to go to Kickstarter to get his 180 00:17:57,360 --> 00:18:03,400 comics funded. And the projects that actually turned into shows for Netflix, like Jupiter's 181 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:10,100 Legacy, like Super Crooks, they only lasted one season. So that's terrifying. What do you think is 182 00:18:10,100 --> 00:18:15,680 the likelihood that Netflix will actually license the DC characters to Marvel publishing? 183 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:25,660 Oh, fuck off. Fuck you. Who knows? That may be what they end up doing, which would freaking kill me. 184 00:18:25,660 --> 00:18:30,780 And I think all DC fans, who knows, maybe this means that these crossover comics that we've been 185 00:18:30,780 --> 00:18:35,800 getting between both publishers would be a more regular occurrence. But there's no denying at 186 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:41,080 that point that Marvel will have, indeed, won the comic book wars. And you have to admit that I will 187 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:46,240 admit nothing until the steal goes through and we see what happens. Because right now this is still a 188 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:52,300 long way off and it may not even go through. There is a lot of politicians, a lot of industry people who 189 00:18:52,300 --> 00:18:57,560 are disparaging this acquisition. So that's good. I hope it doesn't go through. I was much more 190 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:03,200 hoping that Comcast or Paramount would get Warner Brothers because legacy means nothing to 191 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:09,460 Netflix. They don't care about fans. They care about subscribers. And I think even if you are a fan 192 00:19:09,460 --> 00:19:17,660 of DC Comics with high hopes for printed comics to continue, that sentiment is not going to save DC 193 00:19:17,660 --> 00:19:23,860 Comics. We've seen beloved institutions collapse like Wizard Magazine, newspapers. 194 00:19:23,860 --> 00:19:29,820 Marvel Comics almost died before being acquired by Disney. And believing DC Comics will survive 195 00:19:29,820 --> 00:19:38,820 forever ignores business reality. Netflix is ruthless and unsentimental and laser focused on 196 00:19:38,820 --> 00:19:45,800 what drives subscriptions. Print Comics are not a part of that future. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm 197 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:50,420 afraid I'm not. Print Comics notwithstanding, I guess there still is potential for Netflix to 198 00:19:50,420 --> 00:19:57,420 produce some amazing television and film based off of the DC intellectual property. Like we've 199 00:19:57,420 --> 00:20:04,320 seen them produce Sandman, which you've rated five stars. Very true. Very true. It may just be 200 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:10,220 that the primary medium for these characters is no longer comics, but their stories are told through 201 00:20:10,220 --> 00:20:16,280 television series or films, which would be pretty cool. I will always miss the comics if, in fact, 202 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:20,420 they do go away. But what's interesting to me, though, is that Netflix really doesn't have 203 00:20:20,420 --> 00:20:26,860 experience with a cinematic universe. You know, they have seasons of television. Like I'm not 204 00:20:26,860 --> 00:20:31,320 familiar with any spinoff shows from Netflix. I could be wrong. Do you think James Gunn will want to 205 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:37,480 work for Netflix? He may get a few projects funded through them. But ultimately, I know a lot of 206 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:42,780 creators have come out against Netflix because they don't get paid residuals, because 207 00:20:42,780 --> 00:20:48,140 ultimately that content ends up on a streaming platform forever with little to no viewership 208 00:20:48,140 --> 00:20:54,300 data, or at least a data that's only proprietary to Netflix. A lot of people don't get to see that. So I 209 00:20:54,300 --> 00:20:59,820 know a lot of guilds will probably be upset by that, and they'll probably fight against this. If this 210 00:20:59,820 --> 00:21:07,480 deal does not go through, I'm really hoping that either Paramount or Universal follow up with 211 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:12,340 another bid. But that may not happen because the rumors are currently that Paramount is 212 00:21:12,340 --> 00:21:18,440 interested in now acquiring Universal, so they'll have no need for Warner Brothers. How did 213 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:24,320 we get here, man? How did DC Comics get here? Like, what has it been like to be a DC fan throughout the 214 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:31,180 course of these past 10 years? Man, so when this podcast first started, Time owned Warner 215 00:21:31,180 --> 00:21:35,860 Brothers, like Time Magazine, the publishing division. So they actually cared about creating 216 00:21:35,860 --> 00:21:43,400 print published works like DC Comics. When AT &T bought them in order to promote their internet 217 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,940 service, they really didn't know what they were getting into. And that showed with all of the 218 00:21:47,940 --> 00:21:53,740 mistakes that they made in handling the Hollywood studio. They sort of offloaded it onto David 219 00:21:53,740 --> 00:21:59,420 Zaslaw, who promised that he could flip the studio. And I was hoping it was going to be to 220 00:21:59,420 --> 00:22:05,440 Universal because he used to work for them. And now that it's going to be Netflix, it just feels like so 221 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:12,080 many things are going to change. And I hate change. This sucks. Ultimately, I blame the tech industry 222 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:17,920 because that's what I see Netflix ultimately as. It's a tech giant in the same way that Amazon and 223 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:24,020 Apple are. And they're also getting into the Hollywood game. It's just a weird time for movies, 224 00:22:24,020 --> 00:22:29,940 for sure. And since Warner Brothers owns DC Comics in the same way that Disney owns Marvel Comics, 225 00:22:29,940 --> 00:22:35,660 it's affecting that industry as well, which damn it. Jonathan, what do you say to people that think 226 00:22:35,660 --> 00:22:40,220 you're being doom and gloom about this? Are they right? Are you a little bit biased here? Or are you 227 00:22:40,220 --> 00:22:47,660 being a realist? I've always been biased for DC. I mean, it's not like I want this to happen. It's just 228 00:22:47,660 --> 00:22:53,860 somewhat predictable, knowing Netflix. Now, it could be surprised. Netflix's acquisition of 229 00:22:53,860 --> 00:23:00,820 Warner Brothers may not be the death knell of DC Comics. I actually hope it isn't, but only time 230 00:23:00,820 --> 00:23:07,340 will tell. And I don't think Netflix has really given us any reason to not be skeptical about what 231 00:23:07,340 --> 00:23:12,620 this acquisition means for the publisher. Well, we'll see how your conjecture pans out in, you 232 00:23:12,620 --> 00:23:18,220 know, a couple of years time. We'll report back at that time. No, we won't. This podcast will be over, 233 00:23:18,220 --> 00:23:24,400 but we'll see how it goes. I wish this happened after the podcast was over. So you wouldn't have to 234 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:38,180 talk about it at all. Yeah, this sucks. This sucks big time. It literally keeps me up at night. Like we 235 00:23:38,180 --> 00:23:43,900 said earlier, there's no question of the week for this news item. Thank goodness. So let's go ahead 236 00:23:43,900 --> 00:23:49,760 and move on to the main event. We'll find out who is going to win between the Justice League, Detroit 237 00:23:49,760 --> 00:24:11,360 member Gypsy and the X-Men member Shadowcat. All right, Gypsy versus Shadowcats. These are two 238 00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:17,200 young female characters that are a part of larger teams. Gypsy being a part of the Justice League, 239 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:24,280 Detroit era and Shadowcat Kitty Pryde being a part of the X-Men. The characters have similar power 240 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:30,700 sets in that they're all about evasion, I guess you could say. Yeah, Shadowcat can render herself 241 00:24:30,700 --> 00:24:36,060 intangible in order to phase through solid matter, making her extremely difficult to hit. 242 00:24:36,060 --> 00:24:41,680 And Gypsy creates mental illusions or something like that. Well, specifically to turn herself 243 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:47,560 invisible. She creates illusions that surround her so that she can't be seen by human senses, by 244 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:54,820 electronics, by telepaths, anybody. What kind of offensive ability is that? Does she create these 245 00:24:54,820 --> 00:24:59,580 mental illusions in the same way that like Mastermind does in the X-Men books? Well, I would 246 00:24:59,580 --> 00:25:05,520 say they're as large scale as Masterminds because Masterminds could immerse someone completely in 247 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:12,240 an illusion. Whereas Gypsy really just covers herself, though later on in the comics she was able 248 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:18,260 to envelop like a vehicle that she was in as well or people surrounding her. So how is being really 249 00:25:18,260 --> 00:25:23,440 good at hide and seek a superpower? I feel like I could not fight crime with that ability. Well, 250 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,980 you're going to learn later on what I break down the character just exactly how she uses this ability 251 00:25:27,980 --> 00:25:33,540 offensively. Yeah, I'm curious. I think a lot more people are familiar with Kitty Pryde, Shadowcat. 252 00:25:33,540 --> 00:25:40,300 She was in the first three X-Men films as well as X-Men Days of Future Past. She was played by Elliot 253 00:25:40,300 --> 00:25:47,840 Page for X-Men 3 and also in Days of Future Past. And Gypsy has been in nothing. I don't even think she's 254 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:52,800 been in any of the cartoons. No, she's been in the cartoons and she was also a love interest of sorts 255 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:59,480 for Cisco Ramon vibe in the Flash television series. You don't know shit. Apparently I don't. 256 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,800 Well, at least you admit it. Now, to explain the methodology behind our duels, let's go to our 257 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:09,800 sentient dual simulator, Alfred Jarvis 9000. AJ9K tell our listeners how you go about 258 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:16,060 determining a winner in our dual matchups. Yes, of course, sir. The way I determine a winner between 259 00:26:16,060 --> 00:26:20,320 the contestants is by running one thousand Monte Carlo simulations using the characters 260 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:25,240 statistics. A Monte Carlo simulation is a probabilistic model used to determine outcomes 261 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,960 through random sampling. In this case, I randomize the statistics along a normal 262 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:34,840 distribution as a way to simulate the many variables that can occur during battle. The stat 263 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:39,960 parameters are based on the official Marvel power grid from which the DC characters statistics are 264 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:45,400 extrapolated. Additional stat categories are included such as range, damage potential, 265 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:50,500 versatility and perception in order to create a more detailed and accurate simulation. The 266 00:26:50,500 --> 00:26:55,220 results of the one thousand simulations provide a percentage of wins for each character. The 267 00:26:55,220 --> 00:26:59,020 contestant with the higher percentage is declared the victor as they have a higher 268 00:26:59,020 --> 00:27:04,080 probability to win any given battle. In an equitable pairing, neither character should win 269 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:09,140 100 percent of the matches. The comic book stories have shown that there's even a way for Batman to 270 00:27:09,140 --> 00:27:13,760 defeat Superman. So the confidence rate of my method falls in line with the precedents that have 271 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,740 been established in the source material. My mathematical simulations are without 272 00:27:17,740 --> 00:27:23,300 subjectivity or bias. Feats are not the sole consideration, nor a fan vote is tabulated for 273 00:27:23,300 --> 00:27:29,060 determination of the winner. Thanks, AJ9K. Before we run the simulations, though, we like to 274 00:27:29,060 --> 00:27:34,240 break down each character's histories and abilities before improvising a scenario on how we 275 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:39,800 imagine one of the one thousand simulations would play out beat for beat. And it's my turn to go first 276 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:47,280 with the DC characters backstory. So let me tell you all about Gypsy. Cynthia Cindy Reynolds was 277 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:53,720 born to Edward and June Reynolds in a quiet Midwestern suburb. For several years, her family 278 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:59,380 life was stable, though after her younger brother was born, arguments arose between her parents 279 00:27:59,380 --> 00:28:05,180 escalating into a pattern of shouting, resentment, neglect, and eventually physical 280 00:28:05,180 --> 00:28:11,100 abuse against Cindy. During this period of stress, her metahuman abilities surfaced, 281 00:28:11,100 --> 00:28:16,740 telepathically rooted illusions that bent perception, allowing her to blend perfectly into 282 00:28:16,740 --> 00:28:23,460 her surroundings, shift her appearance or obscure her presence entirely. By age 14, Cindy 283 00:28:23,460 --> 00:28:30,500 decided to run away, buying a one-way ticket to Detroit. Alone in the inner city, Cindy used her 284 00:28:30,500 --> 00:28:35,960 powers for basic survival, slipping unseen through alleyways and storefronts, hiding from 285 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:42,100 threats and stealing food when necessary. Word spread of a barefoot Bohemian girl who could 286 00:28:42,100 --> 00:28:48,300 vanish into the walls, and Cindy gradually adopted the street identity of Gypsy. Cameron 287 00:28:48,300 --> 00:28:53,120 Street became her informal territory, where she learned to refine her abilities through constant 288 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:58,660 exposure to danger and remained hidden from both criminals and authorities. When the Justice 289 00:28:58,660 --> 00:29:04,600 League relocated to Detroit following the dissolution of the prior team, Gypsy infiltrated 290 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:10,020 their new headquarters repeatedly, testing its defenses and slipping past visual detection, 291 00:29:10,020 --> 00:29:14,740 electronic systems, and even Martian Manhunter's telepathy. Her existence became 292 00:29:14,740 --> 00:29:20,100 undeniable only when she intervened during the league's confrontation with the Obermaster and 293 00:29:20,100 --> 00:29:25,200 his cadre. With her help, Obermaster was defeated, prompting the league to offer her 294 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:30,540 official membership. You can learn more about the Justice League in our Justice League vs. Avengers 295 00:29:30,540 --> 00:29:37,360 Team Duel episode. Gypsy trained alongside Steel, Vibe, Vixen, Zatanna, and Martian 296 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:43,660 Manhunter as part of the Detroit League's roster. She refined her agility, acrobatics, and combat 297 00:29:43,660 --> 00:29:49,000 skills, and grew more confident in using her illusion casting offensively. During a 298 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:54,740 wilderness retreat intended to build teamwork, the royal flesh gang ambushed the league. While 299 00:29:54,740 --> 00:30:30,400 hiding, Gypsy was able to use her telepathy to project an astral form to track down the league. 300 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:37,240 Before disappearing, emotionally devastated, Gypsy attempted reconciliation with her family. 301 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:43,020 Eventually, the telepathed Disparo, who was hunting Justice League members, located Gypsy 302 00:30:43,020 --> 00:30:48,780 and murdered her parents. He would have killed her as well, if not for the intervention of Martian 303 00:30:48,780 --> 00:30:54,380 Manhunter, who arrived in time to drive Disparo off. You can learn more about Disparo and Martian 304 00:30:54,380 --> 00:30:59,580 Manhunter in their duels against the high evolutionary and vision, respectively. With her 305 00:30:59,580 --> 00:31:05,160 family gone, Gypsy accepted Boostergold's recruitment into the conglomerate, a corporate 306 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:10,500 sponsored hero team. Though she contributed significantly to their missions, the emotional 307 00:31:10,500 --> 00:31:15,800 aftermath of her parents' deaths eventually pushed her to leave the group. Gypsy later joined 308 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:20,100 the Justice League Task Force, where she developed a close partnership with Martian 309 00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:24,940 Manhunter. They worked together on missions requiring infiltration, psychological 310 00:31:24,940 --> 00:31:31,120 disruption, or precision stealth. Early in her Task Force career, Gypsy was nearly forced into 311 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:36,760 combat with Lady Shiva during a tense operation, but avoided the confrontation. On another 312 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:41,680 mission, she suffered catastrophic injuries and was believed dead, though Martian Manhunter 313 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:47,860 invoked Khran Mir. The Martian got a fire and a transformation, successfully restoring Gypsy 314 00:31:47,860 --> 00:31:54,160 to life. As the Task Force restructured, Gypsy remained a central member, undertaking covert 315 00:31:54,160 --> 00:32:00,220 operations across multiple countries, until the team eventually disbanded. Gypsy continued 316 00:32:00,220 --> 00:32:05,300 working intermittently with Martian Manhunter and assisted the Justice League during major 317 00:32:05,300 --> 00:32:10,740 supernatural or large-scale threats, even participating in operations supporting Wonder 318 00:32:10,740 --> 00:32:16,780 Woman in battles against Cersei and her forces. After being recruited by Barbara Gordon, Gypsy 319 00:32:16,780 --> 00:32:23,240 next joined the Birds of Prey, which you can learn more about in their duel against A-Force. Oracle 320 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:30,040 relied on her as an invisible operative capable of infiltrating spaces unseen by cameras, guards, 321 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:36,400 or enhanced senses. Gypsy's powers had grown to allow her to extend illusions across wide areas, 322 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:42,260 cloaking entire rooms, vehicles, or strike teams. During this period, she partnered with 323 00:32:42,260 --> 00:32:48,180 Vixen to resolve a long-running case involving Amos Fortune and helped rescue Stargirl when 324 00:32:48,180 --> 00:32:54,680 Fortune targeted Justice Society members. Gypsy was later abducted by the Clock King and forced to 325 00:32:54,680 --> 00:33:00,360 fight in the Dark Side Club's Gladiator Arena, where she was defeated early in the tournament, be 326 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:05,900 freed once the arena was later dismantled. In post-Flashpoint continuity, a new Gypsy 327 00:33:05,900 --> 00:33:12,080 emerged, named Cynthia Mordeth, the daughter of Quell Mordeth, who ruled an extra-dimensional 328 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:18,500 realm inhabited by nomadic travelers who moved between dimensions and absorbed multiversal 329 00:33:18,500 --> 00:33:24,660 energy. As Quell Mordeth's heir, Cynthia possessed innate illusion-casting powers, 330 00:33:24,660 --> 00:33:30,040 augmented by her ability to store and channel dimensional energy. Rejecting her father's 331 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:35,480 oppressive role, Cynthia attempted to flee her native dimension, but became separated from her 332 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:41,420 traveling family during a transit jump. She emerged alone on Earth, where Argus agents 333 00:33:41,420 --> 00:33:46,940 intercepted her. Mistaking her arrival for a precursor to invasion, they imprisoned her in a 334 00:33:46,940 --> 00:33:53,080 secure vault. She remained confined until rupture. Another traveler from her dimension and 335 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:58,660 the brother of Cisco Ramone arrived on Earth. His incursion broke her containment, drawing 336 00:33:58,660 --> 00:34:04,500 Cynthia into conflict with her father's forces, operating covertly across dimensions. You can 337 00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:10,480 learn more about Cisco in our Vibe vs Miss America dual episode. Because this new Gypsy's powers 338 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:15,520 incorporated both magical and extra-dimensional aspects, she could absorb and 339 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:21,560 redirect dimensional energy to enhance her abilities or shield herself. She participated in 340 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:26,620 several encounters involving Argus, rupture, and breaches between dimensions tied to her 341 00:34:26,620 --> 00:34:31,860 father's influence. When the defeat of the multiversal threat from the Batman who laughs led 342 00:34:31,860 --> 00:34:37,580 to the restructuring of the multiverse, the original Gypsy, Cindy Reynolds, was restored to 343 00:34:37,580 --> 00:34:43,659 continuity. And that's her history so far. Powers-wise, Gypsy casts illusions that bend 344 00:34:43,659 --> 00:34:49,199 perception, allowing her to render herself invisible against shifting backgrounds or 345 00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:54,580 project fear-based hallucinations into opponents' minds. She can disguise herself as 346 00:34:54,580 --> 00:35:00,840 individuals of similar size and can extend her cloaking to nearby allies, objects, or even 347 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:06,960 moving vehicles. She possesses limited precognition and can project an astral form to 348 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:14,450 observe from afar, and is a trained combatant, acrobat, and stealth operative. That's Gypsy. 349 00:35:14,450 --> 00:35:21,260 Okay, so she's less offensive and more of like a spy. She's like the ultimate spy. Yeah, you could 350 00:35:21,260 --> 00:35:26,400 say that. There was a time when she was a member of Justice League Task Force, where she wore like 351 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:32,180 Romani armor and carried a scimitar, but it was very short-lived. Actually, there was a time when 352 00:35:32,180 --> 00:35:38,560 Shadowcat carried a Katana sword because she's trained in Kenjutsu. Or I guess it's not a Katana 353 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:43,700 because that was a samurai weapon. It was like a Ninjado or something. Interesting. Okay. 354 00:35:43,700 --> 00:35:48,960 Depending on how offensive Gypsy was, I was thinking about bringing Lockheed into this match 355 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:54,140 largely because he almost always accompanies Kitty Pride. I'm sorry, did you let me have Skeets 356 00:35:54,140 --> 00:35:59,900 in the booster gold duel? I mean, there's nothing that Skeets could do that booster gold couldn't. 357 00:35:59,900 --> 00:36:04,540 Okay, if you're including Lockheed, how are we going to account for him in the stats though? By 358 00:36:04,540 --> 00:36:13,700 giving Kitty Pride an extra range boost. Okay. Yeah. Fuck off. You don't get him. Fine. All right, 359 00:36:13,700 --> 00:36:19,320 all right. But if I lose, I'm blaming you. I'm totally okay with that. Blame me for all of your 360 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,140 losses. You know, Kitty Pride's gonna be able to hold her own though. Let me go ahead and get into her 361 00:36:23,140 --> 00:36:30,060 backstory. Catherine Kitty Pride was born in Deerfield, Illinois, where at age 13, her 362 00:36:30,060 --> 00:36:35,580 emerging mutant power caused intense headaches. However, she developed the ability to become 363 00:36:35,580 --> 00:36:42,280 intangible and pass through solid matter called phasing. Both Professor Charles Xavier and Emma 364 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:47,300 Frost sought to recruit her to their respective schools. Though their meeting was cut short when 365 00:36:47,300 --> 00:36:52,560 Frost's armored mercenaries attacked, forcing Kitty to evade capture and contact the X-Men. 366 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:58,500 Phoenix then altered Kitty's parents' memories so they would allow her to enroll at Xavier school. 367 00:36:58,500 --> 00:37:04,890 Kitty became the youngest X-Men and took the code name Sprite, forming close ties with Storm, 368 00:37:04,890 --> 00:37:10,560 Wolverine, Nightcrawler, and Colossus, while also befriending Magic. You can learn more about 369 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:16,450 the X-Men in their duel against the Titans. Early in Kitty's time with the X-Men, her older self from 370 00:37:16,450 --> 00:37:22,240 an alternate future briefly possessed her body to prevent the assassination of an anti-muteant 371 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:26,500 politician named Senator Robert Kelly, whose death would have led to a post-apocalyptic 372 00:37:26,500 --> 00:37:32,930 timeline called the Days of Future Past. Kitty went on to defeat Ingari demons, get abducted by 373 00:37:32,930 --> 00:37:38,720 the mutant Caliban, and narrowly survive a confrontation with Magneto that forced him to 374 00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:44,200 reconsider his increasingly violent methods. Kitty's parents later transferred her to Emma 375 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:49,980 Frost's Massachusetts Academy, where she became embroiled in Emma's attempt to infiltrate the 376 00:37:49,980 --> 00:37:55,580 X-Men before ultimately returning to Xavier school. You can learn more about Emma Frost in our 377 00:37:55,580 --> 00:38:01,700 Poison Ivy vs White Queen duel episode. During the X-Men's imprisonment by the parasitic alien race 378 00:38:01,700 --> 00:38:07,340 known as the Brood, Kitty encountered the small alien dragon Lockheed who followed her to Earth 379 00:38:07,340 --> 00:38:13,680 and became her loyal companion. Xavier attempted to place Kitty with the new mutants team, but after 380 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:19,140 she fought off an alien threat with Lockheed's help, he reinstated her as an X-Man. You can learn 381 00:38:19,140 --> 00:38:24,460 more about the new mutants in their duel against the Legion of Superheroes. Kitty and Colossus 382 00:38:24,460 --> 00:38:29,080 developed a tentative romance, but their relationship ended when Colossus admitted he had 383 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:34,350 fallen in love with another woman. Kitty then found comfort in her friendship with Cypher, 384 00:38:34,350 --> 00:38:39,620 though they never pursued a relationship. Visiting her father in Japan led to Kitty's 385 00:38:39,620 --> 00:38:44,600 capture by Ogan, who is Wolverine's former martial arts master and whose psychic 386 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:50,080 conditioning forced her to believe she was his ninja apprentice. After Wolverine helped her 387 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:55,520 break Ogan's influence through harsh training, Kitty defeated Ogan alongside Wolverine and 388 00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:01,780 returned to the X-Men, adopting the new code name Shadowcat. During the Marauder's massacre of a 389 00:39:01,780 --> 00:39:07,060 group of underground mutants known as Morlocks, Kitty was struck by an energy weapon that left her 390 00:39:07,060 --> 00:39:13,440 unable to regain full solidity. A joint effort by the Fantastic Four and Dr. Doom restored Kitty to 391 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:19,200 stability, though she needed concentration to remain tangible. While recovering, she and 392 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:24,020 Nightcrawler saw televised footage of the X-Men apparently sacrificing themselves in a battle 393 00:39:24,020 --> 00:39:29,400 with the demon known as the adversary, prompting Kitty and Nightcrawler to help form the team 394 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:34,800 Excalibur in London alongside Captain Britain. You can learn more about Captain Britain in his 395 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:40,780 duel against Uncle Sam. With Excalibur, Kitty fought Mojo's war wolves, helped rescue Rachel 396 00:39:40,780 --> 00:39:46,080 Summers, and entered a relationship with her teammate Pete Wisdom. Kitty was later recruited 397 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,820 by the International Intelligence Organization's Shield to repair the 398 00:39:49,820 --> 00:39:54,600 Helicarrier's malfunctioning computers. There, she discovered that Ogan's spirit had 399 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:59,890 infiltrated the system, which she purged with Wolverine's help. Tensions eventually ended her 400 00:39:59,890 --> 00:40:04,660 relationship with Pete Wisdom, and after Excalibur disbanded, Kitty returned to the 401 00:40:04,660 --> 00:40:10,260 X-Men, who had returned. A visit to the mutant nation of Genotian profoundly affected Kitty, 402 00:40:10,260 --> 00:40:15,740 and after Colossus seemingly died curing the Legacy Virus, she saw a normal life studying at the 403 00:40:15,740 --> 00:40:20,780 University of Chicago. She became involved in conflicts with anti-mutant groups such as 404 00:40:20,780 --> 00:40:26,620 Purity, and helped repel a new wave of sentinels led by Nimrod, whom you can learn more about in our 405 00:40:26,620 --> 00:40:32,850 Amazo vs. Bastion duel. Kitty later joined Storm's Extreme X-Men squad, and confronted 406 00:40:32,850 --> 00:40:37,680 threats including William Striker and Lord Imperial, before accepting Cyclops's 407 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:43,100 invitation to rejoin the main X-Men team at the Xavier Institute despite her uneasiness toward 408 00:40:43,100 --> 00:40:49,280 Emerfrost. On one of her first missions back, Kitty discovered that Colossus was alive, having 409 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:55,320 been experimented on after his apparent death by an alien from Breakworld. The two reconciled and 410 00:40:55,320 --> 00:41:00,760 resumed their relationship. Later, Professor X's twin Cassandra Nova manipulated Kitty's 411 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:06,040 mind, making her believe she had a child who had been taken captive, causing Kitty to free 412 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:10,440 Cassandra Nova's consciousness from imprisonment. Afterward, the X-Men were 413 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:16,300 abducted by the extraterrestrial intelligence agency, Sword, and they were taken to Breakworld. 414 00:41:16,300 --> 00:41:23,080 There, Kitty phased into a massive bullet that was fired at Earth, and unable to escape it, she phased 415 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:28,500 the whole bullet through the planet, saving Earth, but remained stuck inside it as it hurtled 416 00:41:28,500 --> 00:41:34,060 through space. Magneto later tracked and redirected the bullet, pulling Kitty safely back 417 00:41:34,060 --> 00:41:39,080 to Earth, though she remained stuck in an intangible, speechless state. She was later 418 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:45,390 fully restored after a Breakworld alien ritual revived her and stabilized her powers. Kitty then 419 00:41:45,390 --> 00:41:51,360 accompanied Colossus and Magic to the Crimson Cosmos, where Colossus became Sidorok's new 420 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:56,200 juggernaut, prompting Kitty to end their rekindled relationship. You can learn more about 421 00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:01,740 this in our Metal Man vs Colossus Duel. When Wolverine founded a new mutant school in 422 00:42:01,740 --> 00:42:08,320 opposition to Cyclops's militarization of the X-Men, Kitty joined him as Headmistress. There, 423 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:13,890 she endured a brood infestation that masqueraded as a sudden pregnancy, but she was able to remove 424 00:42:13,890 --> 00:42:18,960 the alien parasite. She later mentored the time-displaced original X-Men brought to the 425 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:24,540 present by Beast, but disagreements over how the teenagers should be handled led Kitty to leave 426 00:42:24,540 --> 00:42:30,260 Wolverine school and join Cyclops's Renegade team, where she worked closely with the young Jean 427 00:42:30,260 --> 00:42:36,240 Grey. During Jean's kidnapping by the Shiar Alien race, Kitty collaborated with the Guardians of 428 00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:42,780 the Galaxy, beginning a romance with Peter Quill, aka Star-Lord. Kitty traveled to space and 429 00:42:42,780 --> 00:42:49,160 rescued Quill from the Slaughter Lords, helping steal a cosmic artifact known as the Black Vortex. 430 00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:54,780 After the artifact changed hands repeatedly, Kitty submitted to its power so she could phase the 431 00:42:54,780 --> 00:43:00,700 entire planet's Spartax and its population from captivity. Star-Lord proposed to Kitty 432 00:43:00,700 --> 00:43:06,180 afterward, and she accepted. As Quill became the King of Spartax, Kitty struggled with his growing 433 00:43:06,180 --> 00:43:11,350 responsibilities and eventually took on the mantle of Star-Lord herself. Their relationship 434 00:43:11,350 --> 00:43:16,040 deteriorated until both were captured by the Collector and forced to confront their 435 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:21,320 unresolved conflict, reconciling before returning to the Guardians. Kitty later fought 436 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:27,390 the Kree accuser Hala, liberated prisoners on a Pudun world, and assisted Earth's heroes during a 437 00:43:27,390 --> 00:43:32,700 conflict between Iron Man and Captain Marvel, before choosing to separate from Quill and leave 438 00:43:32,700 --> 00:43:38,140 the Guardians of the Galaxy. You can learn more about that team in their duel against Doom Patrol. 439 00:43:38,140 --> 00:43:43,680 Back on Earth, Kitty settled briefly in Chicago before Storm convinced her to rejoin the X-Men as 440 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:49,840 their leader. She moved the mansion to Central Park, oversaw a restructured team, and rekindled 441 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:55,640 her relationship with Colossus, ultimately proposing to him. However, Kitty left Colossus at 442 00:43:55,640 --> 00:44:01,020 the altar, recognizing their volatile history was not a foundation for marriage. When the mutant 443 00:44:01,020 --> 00:44:07,120 nation of Kakao formed, Kitty discovered she alone could not use its organic gateways. 444 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:13,460 Displaced from mutant society, she adopted the name Kate and accepted Emma Frost's offer to serve 445 00:44:13,460 --> 00:44:19,180 as the Red Queen of the Hellfire Trading Company, taking to the high seas and leading the Marauders 446 00:44:19,180 --> 00:44:24,580 to liberate mutants worldwide. Sebastian Shaw, former leader of the Hellfire Club, was 447 00:44:24,580 --> 00:44:29,620 threatened by Kate's influence and arranged to have her drowned. Resurrection through Kakao 448 00:44:29,620 --> 00:44:35,120 proved unusually difficult in Kate's case, but with Emma's intervention, she returned, helped 449 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:41,040 defeat and politically neutralize Shaw, and continued defending mutants. You can learn more 450 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:46,860 about Sebastian Shaw in his duel against Vandal Savage. During a catastrophic attack on Kakao, 451 00:44:46,860 --> 00:44:52,840 the anti-muent organization Orgis sabotaged the island's systems and forced Professor Xavier to 452 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:57,980 evacuate mutants through the Kakao gateways, only for the population to vanish to a pocket 453 00:44:57,980 --> 00:45:04,160 reality due to Orgis' interference. Kate managed to avoid capture and rebranded herself as 454 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:10,300 Shadowcat, Cat with a K. She conducted lethal covert operations against Orgis, later joining a 455 00:45:10,300 --> 00:45:16,180 small strike team that continued resisting until Orgis' eventual defeat. With the conflict over, 456 00:45:16,180 --> 00:45:20,940 she returned to Chicago, where a young mutant inspired her to re-embrace her cheerful nature 457 00:45:20,940 --> 00:45:28,800 and go back to her nickname Kitty instead of Kate. Powers-wise, Shadowcat, with a K, has the ability 458 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:34,340 to phase through matter by rendering herself or any part of herself intangible. She can extend 459 00:45:34,340 --> 00:45:39,400 this intangibility to anyone or anything in her immediate proximity, allowing whatever she 460 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:45,600 touches to phase as well. While phased inside solid matter, she is decoupled from gravity and 461 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:51,700 inertia, allowing her to sink or rise through the matter freely. A limitation on her intangibility 462 00:45:51,700 --> 00:45:56,560 is that it is harder for her to phase through extremely dense matter, for example, phasing 463 00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:02,300 through adamantium makes her sick. She is also unable to phase through mystical energies or 464 00:46:02,300 --> 00:46:07,840 electromagnetic energy such as radiation, electricity, or microwaves. However, this 465 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:12,700 allows her to disrupt electronic devices while phasing through them, as well as a person's 466 00:46:12,700 --> 00:46:17,820 nervous system, causing anything from shock to unconsciousness in her enemies. She can also 467 00:46:17,820 --> 00:46:23,460 partially phase, becoming just dense enough to affect a person's internal states. She can also 468 00:46:23,460 --> 00:46:29,240 phase out of sync with Earth's rotation, allowing her to travel due west at a rate of approximately 469 00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:36,220 1000 miles per hour at the equator, down to around 500 miles per hour in the mainland United States. 470 00:46:36,220 --> 00:46:47,800 While tangible, her mind is immune to telepathy. She is also an expert in computer science and a 471 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:53,700 Wait, she is immune to telepathy? When intangible, yes. I don't know how that is going to 472 00:46:53,700 --> 00:46:58,880 affect this particular battle, but I guess we will play it out and see how that goes. Well, Gypsy is a 473 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:04,720 telepath, but her power affects all senses, not just telepathic ones. I mean, she simulates 474 00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:10,440 senses through the person's brain through telepathy, how I figure it works. I don't know how 475 00:47:10,440 --> 00:48:09,700 it works. I don't think it's that though. Okay, okay. Let's find out. All right, guys, the clock is 476 00:48:09,700 --> 00:48:15,840 ticking. The holidays are just weeks away, and if you still haven't finished your shopping, now's 477 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:22,340 the time to act. So head to oldglory.com, where you'll find officially licensed Marvel and DC 478 00:48:22,340 --> 00:48:29,400 shirts, hoodies and gear. Perfect for every fan on your list. They ship fast, but time's running out 479 00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:37,980 to get your gifts before the holidays hit. So go now and use the promo code dual at checkout to save 15% 480 00:48:37,980 --> 00:48:46,600 off your entire order. That's D U E L at oldglory.com, because even superheroes can't 481 00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:52,720 stop the holiday countdown. Well, now that we've got their histories and abilities out of the way, 482 00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:58,760 let's speculate on how one of the 1000 simulated matches will go. The winner is determined by 483 00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:05,240 simulations, not this speculation, but it's fun to imagine how this fight could play out. AJ9K, 484 00:49:05,240 --> 00:49:11,060 what are the rules of speculation? Well, I should say there are no rules other than the characters 485 00:49:11,060 --> 00:49:16,300 have no prior knowledge of the other going into the fight. All they are aware of starting out is that 486 00:49:16,300 --> 00:49:20,780 the other character is a threat that needs to be eliminated. For the speculation, the 487 00:49:20,780 --> 00:49:26,000 contestants will begin approximately 50 meters apart in a nondescript environment that will have 488 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:30,380 no bearing on the match itself, as no environmental statistics are considered in my 489 00:49:30,380 --> 00:49:35,440 simulations. The contestants must earn victory on their own merit. Alright, then let's get into 490 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:42,460 it. Gypsy and Shadowcat meet on the battlefield. Who goes first? I say Shadowcat is gonna start 491 00:49:42,460 --> 00:49:49,260 first by phasing into the ground beneath her, so she's intangible. That means Gypsy can't see her 492 00:49:49,260 --> 00:49:54,960 and she can't also psychically influence her, so Gypsy can't do jack shit. Okay, well, what are 493 00:49:54,960 --> 00:50:03,160 Shadowcat's senses like underground? Uh, well, her vision is obscured and her hearing would be 494 00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:10,140 dulled, and her smell would also be dulled, and like she has to hold her breath while phased 495 00:50:10,140 --> 00:50:14,600 through solid matter because there's no oxygen there, and that limits the time that she can spend 496 00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:21,360 within solid matter. So not great. We'll say not great. Alright, I guess I'll just fucking wait for 497 00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:26,680 her to come back up to the surface then, because when she does, she's not gonna see Gypsy anywhere, 498 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:33,460 because Gypsy goes invisible. Well, uh, like assuming Gypsy didn't move after Shadowcat went 499 00:50:33,460 --> 00:50:39,160 underground, Shadowcat leaps from out of the ground with a ninja kick that busts Gypsy right in 500 00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:47,180 the nose, blurring her vision. Ah, damn, sorry. Gypsy did in fact move because she's not an idiot, 501 00:50:47,180 --> 00:50:54,580 so Shadowcat literally kicks air and, you know, she awkwardly lands. That's when her legs are 502 00:50:54,580 --> 00:51:00,320 gonna get swept out from under her by Gypsy, still invisible, and Shadowcat is gonna land on her 503 00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:06,960 head, knocking her out. Sorry to tell you, only the soles of Shadowcat's feet were tangible as she 504 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:12,320 landed. The rest of her was intangible, so when Gypsy tries to sweep the leg, she just gets nothing 505 00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:18,960 but air. And after that big ol' whiff, Shadowcat's able to detect Gypsy's invisible leg going 506 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:25,120 through her, and therefore she's able to determine her location. So using that, Shadowcat 507 00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:30,140 leaps through Gypsy's body, disrupting the electrical signals in her nervous system, and 508 00:51:30,140 --> 00:51:36,520 causing her to become visible, and also barf her brains out. And like when Gypsy's bent over, 509 00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:43,860 puking, Shadowcat just punts her right in the throat. Dang. Okay, well that will cause puke to 510 00:51:43,860 --> 00:51:49,440 spray all over Shadowcat as Gypsy gets knocked away by the kick. No, no, no, the puke just goes 511 00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:56,000 right through Shadowcat, okay? And since Gypsy's still visible, Shadowcat's gonna follow up with 512 00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:02,540 this front flip drop heel kick. It's called a rolling thunder kick, and that's just gonna knock 513 00:52:02,540 --> 00:52:07,900 Gypsy the fuck out. Like, she's gonna be unconscious after a kick like that. Except that 514 00:52:07,900 --> 00:52:13,640 the Gypsy that Shadowcat attacked was an illusion. The real Gypsy, you know, got her 515 00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:20,280 bearings and rolled away to recover while leaving a decoy projection of herself, so Shadowcat just 516 00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:27,540 lands on the ground really hard. And since her body was fully tangible to lend weight to her attack, 517 00:52:27,540 --> 00:52:34,320 Shadowcat receives the full brunt of Gypsy's own running drop kick right as she lands. No, that foot 518 00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:43,140 would just go right through Shadowcat. Fuck you. No, it doesn't. Okay, let's say Gypsy does land a 519 00:52:43,140 --> 00:52:50,300 kick on Shadowcat. Big deal, it's not gonna happen again. Like, Gypsy would probably try to follow up 520 00:52:50,300 --> 00:52:56,380 with another hit, and that one would go right through Shadowcat. So Gypsy would be thrown off 521 00:52:56,380 --> 00:53:03,820 balance, and that would leave her open for Shadowcat to again, except this time she takes one 522 00:53:03,820 --> 00:53:08,580 of Gypsy's eyeballs with her, just phases it right out of her skull. Actually, before she could do 523 00:53:08,580 --> 00:53:16,840 that, Shadowcat is gonna stop short when she sees that Gypsy suddenly is like a fucking vampire 524 00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:23,880 zombie swamp monster, which is an illusion, of course, but Shadowcat's gonna get so freaked out 525 00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:30,980 by this, so shocked that she's gonna fault her and become tangible, giving Gypsy just enough time to 526 00:53:30,980 --> 00:53:36,940 do like a palm strike right to Shadowcat's solar plexus. Except the palm goes right through 527 00:53:36,940 --> 00:53:45,840 Shadowcat. You bitch. Okay, fine. Gypsy knocks the wind out of Shadowcat, so Shadowcat's gonna 528 00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:50,200 fall over, but she's just gonna fall into the ground again to recover. And then she's gonna 529 00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:56,320 launch out of the ground again with an uppercut that phases Gypsy's heart right out of her chest. 530 00:53:56,320 --> 00:54:02,780 Fatality. Match over, Shadowcat wins. No, no, no, because Gypsy has limited precognition. That 531 00:54:02,780 --> 00:54:09,180 actually helps her perfect her illusion casting ability in like chaotic environments. So Gypsy 532 00:54:09,180 --> 00:54:16,280 saw this coming, and she's just gonna step out of the way, grab Shadowcat's tangible fist, and just 533 00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:21,760 flip her back onto the ground in this really powerful slam, when strong enough that it 534 00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:27,640 straight up knocks Shadowcat out, giving Gypsy the win. Now, Shadowcat just phases into the 535 00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:36,400 ground again. I will cut you. This, this is exactly why we waited so long to do a kitty pride duel. Well, 536 00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:41,520 maybe instead of phasing into the ground, all of a sudden Shadowcat phases out of sync with the 537 00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:48,860 earth, so that all of a sudden Gypsy gets flung at like 500 miles per hour due west alongside kitty 538 00:54:48,860 --> 00:54:55,100 pride, and like just gets fucking thrown that way. Did you not hear me say she has precognition? I'm 539 00:54:55,100 --> 00:55:00,800 pretty sure I said that. That's fair. We could go ahead and leave the duel there. Either Shadowcat 540 00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:07,080 takes Gypsy out by phasing her heart out of her chest, or Gypsy sees this coming and slams her to 541 00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:12,380 the ground, knocking Shadowcat unconscious. Not gonna lie, one of those endings is a lot cooler than 542 00:55:12,380 --> 00:55:17,320 the other. We'll go ahead and input their stats, run the simulations, and come back with a winner. A 543 00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:30,120 G9K? Hit it! Alright, this was a very tricky speculation to do, largely because both of these 544 00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:35,840 characters are so defensive within their power set that we quickly, I feel like, ran out of ideas on 545 00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:41,500 how they could attack each other. This is one of the reasons why you should let me include Lockheed in 546 00:55:41,500 --> 00:55:48,920 this duel No, sorry, Lockheed is not Shadowcat. Shadowcat is Shadowcat. So she was the only one you 547 00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:54,100 got in this duel. I do think it would have spiced things up a little bit because Gypsy and Shadowcat 548 00:55:54,100 --> 00:56:00,220 weren't too impressive statistically when it came to things like damage level, or strength, or 549 00:56:00,220 --> 00:56:08,940 durability. They were hella evasive. Shadowcat is faster than Gypsy, but only when going due west. 550 00:56:08,940 --> 00:56:14,180 We said when they came to fighting skill, they were even, and also versatility, which is not 551 00:56:14,180 --> 00:56:18,800 surprising because they're both kind of one-trick ponies. I was surprised that Gypsy was 552 00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:24,100 as good of a fighter as Shadowcat. Dude, yeah, she trained under Bronze Tiger. Is that more 553 00:56:24,100 --> 00:56:30,080 impressive than training under Wolverine? Hell yeah, bro. Hell yeah. Now, in addition to speed, 554 00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:36,620 Shadowcat also got the edge when it came to intellect and evasiveness, but only because it's 555 00:56:36,620 --> 00:56:41,700 harder to hit someone who's intangible than someone who's invisible. But Gypsy got the edge 556 00:56:41,700 --> 00:56:47,520 when it came to perception, considering she's a telepath. And she also has limited precognition. 557 00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:52,020 And could observe things from afar with her astral projection, which is why she also got a slight 558 00:56:52,020 --> 00:56:58,400 range advantage, also considering that she could project her illusions to encompass like a room. So 559 00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:04,560 taking all of this into consideration, Joseph, who do you think came out on top in this match? 560 00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:09,280 Shadowcat, because I don't care how invisible Gypsy goes, she's not going to be able to touch 561 00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:16,360 Shadowcat. You think so, huh? Yeah. And Instagram agrees with me. 67%, literally two-thirds of our 562 00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:21,520 poll takers have cited with Shadowcat. And I got to say, it's about damn time that they sided with the 563 00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:26,960 Marvel character. And yet we all know this is because Shadowcat has been in the movies. And the 564 00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:32,960 Instagram poll is much more of a popularity contest, rather than an evaluation of the 565 00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:37,460 character's stats. Yeah, Shadowcat's been better represented in the media, and is just 566 00:57:37,460 --> 00:57:42,080 generally a better character overall, is what you're saying? Yes. The Instagram poll takers 567 00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:50,280 know this. But will that result in a win? Let's find out. AJ9K, the results, please. Here you are, sir. 568 00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:59,700 The winner of the matchup between Gypsy and Shadowcat is Shadowcat. Of course, I feel like I 569 00:57:59,700 --> 00:58:05,020 barely have to celebrate this. It was obvious from the start. It was not obvious. What are you talking 570 00:58:05,020 --> 00:58:11,940 about? I totally thought Gypsy was going to come ahead in this. Shadowcat won an even 560 out of the 571 00:58:11,940 --> 00:58:20,440 1000 matches, or 56% of the time, compared to Gypsy, who only won 44%. Jonathan, Netflix bought 572 00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:27,080 DC and Gypsy lost this dual matchup. What are you doing next? I'm going to beat your ass is what I'm 573 00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:31,860 going to do. Drive over to your house right now, kicking your door. Thanks for the warning. I will 574 00:58:31,860 --> 00:58:38,920 set my alarm. Or I guess it would just make more sense just to call the cops. They'll be on my side 575 00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:45,400 for all the shit talking you do. Well, congrats to the Marvel fans. You guys did it again. Showed DC 576 00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:50,260 what's up. We all know that Marvel's better, especially nowadays. Cheers to you guys. Well, 577 00:58:50,260 --> 00:58:57,180 that does it for this shitty episode. AJ9K help close us out. Thanks for listening to Dynamic 578 00:58:57,180 --> 00:59:02,460 Dual. Visit the show's website at dynamicdual.com and follow us on Instagram at 579 00:59:02,460 --> 00:59:07,720 Dynamic Dual podcast. Don't forget to listen to the other shows in the Dynamite podcast network, 580 00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:14,360 including Max Destruction, Senjo World, and Console Combat. In our next episode, which 581 00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:19,840 hopefully will be better, I think it will be, it's going to be another duel this time between the 582 00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:26,900 Superman villain Parasite against Sauron of the Savage Land. Yeah, he's an X-Men villain 583 00:59:26,900 --> 00:59:32,680 primarily. He looks like a big green pterodactyl. So look forward to that next week. We want to give a 584 00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:37,220 big thanks to our executive producers, John Sturrosky, Zachary Hepburn, Dustin Belcombe, 585 00:59:37,220 --> 00:59:41,780 Nathaniel Wagner, Levi Aitin, Austin Wazalowski, AJ Dunkerly, Nick Cabanto, Scott 586 00:59:41,780 --> 00:59:48,200 Camacho, Gil Camacho, Adam Speese, Dean Molesky, Devin Davis, Joseph Kirsting, and Paul Graves for 587 00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:54,040 helping make this podcast possible. And we'll talk to you guys next week. Up up and away, true 588 00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:54,040 believers.