1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,640 This is a DynaMic Network Podcast. Alright guys, the clock is ticking, the holidays are just weeks 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:13,460 away and if you still haven't finished your shopping, now's the time to act. So head to 3 00:00:13,460 --> 00:00:20,080 OldGlory.com where you'll find officially licensed Marvel and DC shirts, hoodies and gear. 4 00:00:20,080 --> 00:00:26,740 Perfect for every fan on your list. They ship fast but time's running out to get your gifts before the 5 00:00:26,740 --> 00:00:36,100 holidays hit. So go now and use the promo code Duel at checkout to save 15% off your entire order. 6 00:00:36,100 --> 00:01:04,300 That's D-U-E-L at OldGlory.com because even superheroes can't stop the holiday countdown. 7 00:01:04,300 --> 00:01:09,300 Hi, welcome to the DynaMic Duel Podcast, a weekly show where we review superhero films and debate 8 00:01:09,300 --> 00:01:13,880 the superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing their characters in stat-based battle 9 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:19,880 simulations. I'm Marvelist Joe. And I'm his twin brother Johnny DC. And in the countdown to the 10 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:25,040 final episodes of this podcast, we're at number 6, that means there are 5 episodes left after this 11 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:31,620 one. Which is Parasite versus Sauron, the Superman villain against the X-Men villain? 12 00:01:31,620 --> 00:01:38,620 Yeah, he's basically a pterodactyl man who lives in the savage land and also, like Parasite, has the 13 00:01:38,620 --> 00:01:43,920 ability to drain the life energy from his victims through contact. Yeah, you mentioned last 14 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:49,260 episode that it was a crime that we had not yet gotten to a Shadowcat duel. It is an even bigger 15 00:01:49,260 --> 00:01:53,600 crime that it took us so long to get to a Parasite duel. He's like one of Superman's biggest 16 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:57,800 villains. Nah, to me that's more like a misdemeanor, whereas not getting to Kitty Pride 17 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:03,260 was basically a felony on behalf of the show. Well not getting to Parasite is a felony with a higher 18 00:02:03,260 --> 00:02:07,580 sentencing, I don't know. Before we get into that matchup guys, where we input the character stats 19 00:02:07,580 --> 00:02:11,420 and run simulations to find out who would win, we're going to break down the latest comic book 20 00:02:11,420 --> 00:02:16,420 movie news that came out this past week, of which we have one news item and that is the Supergirl 21 00:02:16,420 --> 00:02:22,240 official teaser trailer. As always, we list our segment of times in our episode description, so 22 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:26,660 feel free to check out the show notes if you want to skip ahead to a particular topic. Our 23 00:02:26,660 --> 00:02:31,540 artificially intelligent duel simulator, AJ9K, has a quick message for our listeners, so listen 24 00:02:31,540 --> 00:02:39,340 up. Hello, these are the final episodes of Dynamic Jules Weekly Podcast, leading up to our grand 25 00:02:39,340 --> 00:02:45,620 finale on January 20th. We hope you've enjoyed the past 10 years of Marvel and DC Jules and reviews, 26 00:02:45,620 --> 00:02:50,620 and we'd love for you to stick with us as we count down these last episodes. We're inviting you, the 27 00:02:50,620 --> 00:02:55,820 listener, to help us close out the show by visiting dynamicjule.com over the next few weeks and 28 00:02:55,820 --> 00:03:00,020 clicking the red microphone button in the bottom right corner to leave us a voicemail that we'll 29 00:03:00,020 --> 00:03:05,420 play during the final episode. Tell us what first got you into DC or Marvel, how long you've been 30 00:03:05,420 --> 00:03:10,020 listening, a favorite episode or moment, or anything else you want to share about what the 31 00:03:10,020 --> 00:03:15,600 podcast has meant to you. Your messages will be aired and responded to on the January 20th finale. 32 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:21,520 Again, head to dynamicjule.com and leave your final message. We would love to hear from you. Pip 33 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:28,960 Pip Cheerio. Thanks, AJ9K, and thanks to everyone who takes the time to call in and leave a voicemail. 34 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,600 Be sure to tune into the other shows and the Dynamite Podcast Network this week, including 35 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:37,760 the console combat podcast, where hosts John and Dean simulate battles between popular video game 36 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:43,340 characters. In yesterday's episode, they found out who would win between Lancer Big Daddy from 37 00:03:43,340 --> 00:03:50,080 Bioshock and Paladin Dance from Fallout. Over on the Max Destruction Podcast, hosts Scotty and 38 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:55,660 Gilly pit your favorite action heroes from film and television against each other. On Thursday, 39 00:03:55,660 --> 00:04:01,780 the Macho Twins are learning who would win in a fight between Dex from Predator Badlands and the 40 00:04:01,780 --> 00:04:07,140 Mandalorian. And on the Sanjo World Podcast, host Zachary Hepburn speculates on fights between fan 41 00:04:07,140 --> 00:04:12,420 favorite anime and manga characters. In his next episode, Zach is revealing who would win between 42 00:04:12,420 --> 00:04:19,120 Shigio Kageyama, aka Mob, from Mob Psycho 100, and Tatsumaki, the tornado of terror from One Punch 43 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:25,760 Man. Visit dynamicpodcasts.com or click the link in our show notes to listen to all of the shows in the 44 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:38,240 Dynamite Podcast Network. But now that that's done, on to the news. OK, so last week, DC unveiled 45 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:45,860 the official teaser trailer for the Supergirl film, which is coming out June 26th next year. Of 46 00:04:45,860 --> 00:04:52,040 course, we saw Supergirl at the very end of the Superman movie that came earlier this summer. She 47 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:56,840 took crypto with her at the end of the movie, and now she's going to have her own adventure. Crypto 48 00:04:56,840 --> 00:05:00,860 kicks off this trailer, which is nice to see because I was a huge fan of the character in the 49 00:05:00,860 --> 00:05:06,920 Superman movie. What was not nice to see was how filthy the living condition Supergirl lives in 50 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:15,600 is. Dog piss and alcohol all over the floor. Bitch, you nasty. Yeah, I can smell it through the screen 51 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:21,340 almost. It's not pleasant, but that's her character, right? She's kind of depressed. Yeah, 52 00:05:21,340 --> 00:05:26,120 and the women of tomorrow graphic novel, she is depressed, having lost crypto and having 53 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:31,840 witnessed the loss of it, which we partly see in this trailer as the city that she lived in erects a 54 00:05:31,840 --> 00:05:37,480 force field to protect the city. It doesn't fully work. I think the ground shielding didn't protect 55 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:43,880 them from the radiation. But the line that Ruthie asks when what was it like to lose everything in a 56 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:49,220 day and Supergirl responds with Krypton didn't die in a day. The gods aren't that kind. It was 57 00:05:49,220 --> 00:05:53,260 actually a line from the comic, and I really liked the way that Millie Alcock delivered it here. 58 00:05:53,260 --> 00:05:58,780 She's going to do a pretty good job as Supergirl. I feel like especially this version of Supergirl, 59 00:05:58,780 --> 00:06:04,200 who again is depressed and just kind of trying to fight it back with alcoholism, essentially, when 60 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:08,540 she's celebrating her 23rd birthday and saying it's going to be the best yet, although that's not a 61 00:06:08,540 --> 00:06:13,000 hard bar to clear. You really felt it in her performance. Yeah, I think she's going to do 62 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:18,040 better with the drama in the role, better than the action, I think. Although, you know, 63 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:22,200 Kryptonians, they don't need to be buff. It's not where they get their strength from. I think my 64 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:28,240 issue with Millie Alcock is just how she's selling the action more than do I believe she's actually 65 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:32,580 doing this stuff? Oh, I'm not even going to disagree with you. Like when she's going up 66 00:06:32,580 --> 00:06:38,320 against the guys in that bar brawl with like the axe, it wasn't really convincing that she was 67 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:42,280 going to be able to take them, especially since it appeared they were able to match her strength 68 00:06:42,280 --> 00:06:48,300 wise. And then at the very end, when she's like pulling on that machine connected to a cable, I was 69 00:06:48,300 --> 00:06:54,200 like, I don't think you quite sold that there. Well, I think maybe that was a special effects 70 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:59,020 issue at the end there because centrifugal force doesn't work that way. Like the string would have 71 00:06:59,020 --> 00:07:04,560 to be taught going straight out in order for her to maintain that swinging momentum. It was just 72 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:09,200 strange. Right. Yeah. Like physics wise, she would just be pulling that piece of machinery 73 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:15,060 toward her and not in an arc. Exactly. I think it's just hard for people to believe that this 74 00:07:15,060 --> 00:07:19,420 character has the strength to swing a battle axe with one arm when it looks like the actress is 75 00:07:19,420 --> 00:07:24,440 struggling to do that herself. I'm guessing the more physical stuff will be done with CGI. And of 76 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:28,780 course, there's always her powers like heat vision, which we get to see in this trailer, along 77 00:07:28,780 --> 00:07:35,580 with characters like Kram of the Yellow Hills, who is the villain of this movie. And Lobo, played by 78 00:07:35,580 --> 00:07:41,520 Jason Momoa. We don't get a good look at him. But from what we do see, holy shit, he's going to nail 79 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,440 this. He was born to play this role. Yeah, it was just a brief glimpse, but it looks spot on. 80 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:50,920 Regarding the look of the movie as a whole, Jonathan, how do you feel about DC straight up 81 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:57,920 Xeroxing Marvel's Guardians of the Galaxy? And they're not doing anything with it anymore. May as 82 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:03,500 well continue the franchise over at DC. I mean, I was actually really surprised as to how much this 83 00:08:03,500 --> 00:08:09,000 looked like Guardians of the Galaxy, considering the fact it's not directed by James Gunn. It's 84 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:15,440 directed by Craig Gillespie, who also directed films like I Tania and Corella, which I thought 85 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:20,440 were great movies. Well, it's just confusing me because when I look at the Woman of Tomorrow comic, 86 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:26,880 it's a gorgeous looking book. It's very colorful, very organic looking alien worlds, almost pastel 87 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:33,200 in its color palette. This is not that. These are straight up reused Guardians of the Galaxy sets. 88 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:38,780 That wouldn't surprise me. I'm guessing the director, maybe at the behest of James Gunn, 89 00:08:38,780 --> 00:08:44,580 wanted to make it look more like a James Gunn movie so that it looks like it fit more with the world that 90 00:08:44,580 --> 00:08:52,140 the Superman movie established, as opposed to looking more like the comic, which is very alien, 91 00:08:52,140 --> 00:08:56,920 very organic, very colorful, like you mentioned. Well, does that mean that every DCU project in live 92 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:01,200 action is going to have to look like James Gunn made it? Like, is the upcoming Clayface movie going to 93 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:07,820 be like Slyther or something like that? Oh, dude, I hope so. You just sold me on that. I guess I was the 94 00:09:07,820 --> 00:09:14,880 wrong comparison. All in all, I think this was a good teaser, not the best teaser I've ever seen by 95 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:21,900 any means. But it was enough, I think, to get people excited. And honestly, I can't wait to see 96 00:09:21,900 --> 00:09:28,080 people's reactions and theaters to this. Right now, I only know my reaction and like my daughters. 97 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:33,280 They're excited. I'm excited. So when you say that this teaser was enough to get people excited, are 98 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:37,200 you referring specifically to just you and your daughters? Because I don't know anybody else 99 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:41,480 who's excited by this. Not even people on the discord got excited by this. There was like zero 100 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:48,220 conversation about it. To be fair, I was in the hospital the day this came out. So I would have been 101 00:09:48,220 --> 00:09:55,500 talking about it a lot. Why are you giving us your excuses? Because I was in pain in the ER. Again, why 102 00:09:55,500 --> 00:10:00,820 are you giving us your excuses? Because I have them to give. Well, you're out of the hospital within 103 00:10:00,820 --> 00:10:06,320 like a day. So maybe you should be talking about this on the discord. It's also been my daughter's 104 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:14,580 birthdays for the past two days. Oh, my God, so many excuses. Yeah, bro. Yeah. You can't judge the 105 00:10:14,580 --> 00:10:20,860 success of a trailer based on how many people are talking about it in our own podcasts discord. I've 106 00:10:20,860 --> 00:10:26,000 seen plenty of discussion online about it. Most of it is good. Like I said, no one thinks this is the 107 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:32,060 greatest teaser trailer of all time, but it's passable. All right. It's like a B minus. That's DC 108 00:10:32,060 --> 00:10:37,400 for you. That's DC. I can't wait for the new Avengers Doomsday teasers that are coming to 109 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,940 theaters. Apparently there's going to be four different teasers and they're all going to be 110 00:10:40,940 --> 00:10:46,580 attached in front of Avatar, Fire and Ash in theaters. Are you serious? I did not know that. So 111 00:10:46,580 --> 00:10:51,680 it looks like I'm going to go see Avatar four times in theaters and hope I get to see each one. You're 112 00:10:51,680 --> 00:10:54,900 going to have to go to like four different theaters. I don't know, man. It's kind of 113 00:10:54,900 --> 00:11:02,100 bullshit. That reeks of desperation, I must say. For Avatar. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I meant. 114 00:11:02,100 --> 00:11:07,020 Yeah. I'll just wait till it's all online. Well, we'll see if that happens. Maybe it'll be recorded 115 00:11:07,020 --> 00:11:11,900 by somebody on their phone or something. Who knows? It better be. When is Avengers coming out 116 00:11:11,900 --> 00:11:17,600 next December? OK, well, I imagine the teaser for that is going to be super, super short compared to 117 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:24,440 this one. Yeah. Of course, Supergirl again, comes out next summer on June 26th. So look forward to our 118 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:29,120 review of it then. Right, because it'll come out after this podcast ends, but we're still going to 119 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:40,540 be reviewing new films when they come out. That's right. But that does it for all the news for this 120 00:11:40,540 --> 00:11:44,900 episode. So let's go ahead and move into our main event where we find out who would win in a fight 121 00:11:44,900 --> 00:12:05,520 between the Superman villain, Parasite and the X-Men villain, Sauron. All right, Parasite 122 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:10,780 versus Sauron, these are both parasitic beings, obviously. I mean, the guy's name is Parasite, but 123 00:12:10,780 --> 00:12:16,420 in the sense that they absorb or siphon life energy from their victims, it makes them stronger and 124 00:12:16,420 --> 00:12:21,860 Sauron that manifests differently, I think, than like someone like Rogue or Parasite, because 125 00:12:21,860 --> 00:12:28,740 although Sauron can obtain the mutant powers of people he siphons life energy from, largely, it 126 00:12:28,740 --> 00:12:33,780 gives him the ability to like shoot out the energy he absorbs in the form of like thermal energy, 127 00:12:33,780 --> 00:12:39,160 which is pretty unique. Oh, like lasers? No, like it looks more like electricity that comes from his 128 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:44,600 hands or fire from his mouth. Interesting. I did not know that. Actually, I don't really know 129 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:49,040 anything about Sauron. He's a pretty dope villain. Like out of all the characters from the 130 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:53,960 Savage Land that we could have gone with, I guess we probably should have gone with Khazar or K-Zar, 131 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:58,700 however you want to pronounce it. But in the end, I'm glad we went with Sauron, largely because what 132 00:12:58,700 --> 00:13:03,560 defines the Savage Land are its dinosaurs, its prehistoric life. And also, he's probably just 133 00:13:03,560 --> 00:13:08,120 the biggest badass. That's like not human to come out of there. Yeah, for a while we were considering 134 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:15,100 pitting Khazar or Khazar against either Warlord or Commandy, which I think would have been cool. 135 00:13:15,100 --> 00:13:19,940 That would have been cool. This is better. Yeah, if we never did a Parasite duel in these 10 years, I 136 00:13:19,940 --> 00:13:24,720 would have been really pissed off. We would have failed as a podcast. Pretty much, pretty much. I 137 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,880 think there are many versions of Parasite that have existed. So I'll be interested in seeing 138 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:34,280 which one you go with. It'll be Rudy Jones. He's the primary one, I would say. Although, I'll go into 139 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:40,000 the backstory of a few others. OK. The movie adaptation of this guy was very confusing, I have 140 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:45,860 to say. But also hella good, am I right? Before we get into their backstories to explain the 141 00:13:45,860 --> 00:13:51,820 methodology behind our duels, let's go to our sentient duel simulator Alfred Jarvis 9000. AJ9K 142 00:13:51,820 --> 00:13:57,300 tell our listeners how you go about determining a winner in our duel matchups. Yes, of course, sir. 143 00:13:57,300 --> 00:14:01,300 The way I determine a winner between the contestants is by running 1000 Monte Carlo 144 00:14:01,300 --> 00:14:06,700 simulations using the characters statistics. A Monte Carlo simulation is a probabilistic model 145 00:14:06,700 --> 00:14:11,420 used to determine outcomes through random sampling. In this case, I randomize the 146 00:14:11,420 --> 00:14:16,360 statistics along a normal distribution as a way to simulate the many variables that can occur during 147 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:21,300 battle. The stat parameters are based on the official Marvel power grid from which the DC 148 00:14:21,300 --> 00:14:25,960 characters statistics are extrapolated. Additional stat categories are included such as 149 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:31,480 range, damage potential, versatility and perception in order to create a more detailed and 150 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:36,840 accurate simulation. The results of the 1000 simulations provide a percentage of wins for each 151 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:41,420 character. The contestant with the higher percentage is declared the victor as they have a 152 00:14:41,420 --> 00:14:46,720 higher probability to win any given battle. In an equitable pairing, neither character should win 153 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:52,060 100% of the matches. The comic book stories have shown that there's even a way for Batman to defeat 154 00:14:52,060 --> 00:14:56,520 Superman. So the confidence rate of my method falls in line with the precedents that have been 155 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:00,380 established in the source material. My mathematical simulations are without 156 00:15:00,380 --> 00:15:05,940 subjectivity or bias. Feats are not the sole consideration, nor a fan vote is tabulated for 157 00:15:05,940 --> 00:15:11,680 determination of the winner. Thanks, AJ9K. Before we run the simulations, though, we like to 158 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:16,500 break down each character's histories and abilities before improvising a scenario on how we 159 00:15:16,500 --> 00:15:22,200 imagine one of the 1000 simulations would play out beat for beat. And I believe it's my turn to go first 160 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:27,840 with the Marvel character backstory. So let me tell you all about Sauron. Millions of years ago, 161 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:33,460 in the era of dinosaurs and the supercontinent Pangea, an alien race called the New Wally 162 00:15:33,460 --> 00:15:39,660 constructed a refuge for Earth's prehistoric life in what is now Antarctica. When an asteroid 163 00:15:39,660 --> 00:15:45,120 impact wiped out most of dinosaur life, this preserve remained protected, allowing its 164 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:51,680 ancient species to survive unchanged. Over time, shifting geological land masses and glaciation 165 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:58,240 formed an enormous crater that concealed what came to be known as the Savageland. Spanning 350 166 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:04,120 square miles, its sheer icy walls isolated the tropical basin from the frozen continent around 167 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:09,440 it, hiding the region for millennia, except through secret tunnels, though pockets of early 168 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:16,000 man did stumble upon the Savageland, becoming its native inhabitants. In modern times, Carl Lycos 169 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:22,400 was born the son of an explorer and spent his early youth accompanying his father on expeditions. As 170 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:27,860 a teenager, he joined his father on a journey to Tierra del Fuego, an archipelago at South 171 00:16:27,860 --> 00:16:33,320 America's southernmost tip. There, they assisted a wealthy client, Dr. Anderson and his 172 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:38,560 daughter, Tanya. During his expedition, Tanya wandered into a cave and was attacked by mutant 173 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:43,920 pterodactyls that originated from the prehistoric Savageland. Carl intervened, 174 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:48,880 driving the creatures off with his walking stick, but in the struggle, he was bitten. Dr. Anderson 175 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:54,280 saved Carl's life, but the wound left him changed. During his recovery, Carl discovered that he 176 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:59,500 could drain the life force of living beings through touch, accidentally killing his dog. The 177 00:16:59,500 --> 00:17:04,000 need for this life energy became persistent, and in secret, he found himself periodically 178 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:09,579 compelled to extract it from animals to survive. After Carl's father died shortly after the 179 00:17:09,579 --> 00:17:15,819 expedition, Dr. Anderson took him into his home as thanks for saving Tanya. Over the years, Carl and 180 00:17:15,819 --> 00:17:21,060 Tanya grew close, but her father forbade a relationship due to Carl's lack of wealth, 181 00:17:21,060 --> 00:17:26,119 determined to win his approval. Carl pursued medical training and became a physician, 182 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:31,620 geneticist and hypnotherapist. He treated patients with hypnosis while secretly siphoning 183 00:17:31,620 --> 00:17:37,160 their energy, rationalizing that he took only enough to weaken, never to kill. During this 184 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:42,440 period, he collaborated with Professor Charles Xavier, who became aware of Carl's condition, but 185 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:47,640 kept his secret. When Havoc was nearly killed after losing control of his powers in a battle with 186 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:52,360 sentinels, the X-Men brought him to Carl's Manhattan practice, believing him trustworthy 187 00:17:52,360 --> 00:17:57,340 due to Xavier's association. You can learn more about Havoc and the X-Men in their respective 188 00:17:57,340 --> 00:18:02,960 duels against the Ray and the Titans. While treating Havoc, Carl siphoned part of his life 189 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:09,720 force, but absorbing mutant energy triggered an unprecedented transformation. He mutated into a 190 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:15,180 half humanoid pterodactyl with human intelligence and powerful hypnotic abilities. 191 00:18:15,180 --> 00:18:20,420 Shocked, he attacked the X-Men before escaping to Dr. Anderson's home in an attempt to plead for 192 00:18:20,420 --> 00:18:25,400 Tanya's hand in marriage. However, Tanya and her father recognized Carl for the monster he had 193 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:31,600 become, forcing him to flee. Carl returned to Tierra de Fuego, where horrified by his actions, 194 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:36,540 he attempted to starve himself to death. However, Tanya pursued him, arriving with the X-Men close 195 00:18:36,540 --> 00:18:42,820 behind. Carl felt the pull to drain Tanya's life energy, but instead ran, falling over a cliff, 196 00:18:42,820 --> 00:18:48,920 unable to locate him. Tanya and the X-Men presumed Carl dead. However, he survived unconscious on a 197 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:54,460 ledge below and eventually wandered through subterranean passages into the Savage Land. 198 00:18:54,460 --> 00:18:59,920 There, he lived in human form by feeding only on lesser animals, keeping his Sauron persona at 199 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:05,620 bay. He became an ally to the Jungle Lord, Khazar, and provided medical care to his companions for 200 00:19:05,620 --> 00:19:10,920 many months. When the X-Men later became stranded in the Savage Land, the presence of mutant life 201 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:16,640 energy overwhelmed him, and he preyed on the team. After absorbing Storm's energy, he reverted into 202 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:22,480 Sauron again, though he soon returned to human form. After the X-Men departed, Magneto took an 203 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:27,540 interest in the Savage Land and began experimenting on local inhabitants, creating a 204 00:19:27,540 --> 00:19:33,060 mutated army to help him control the region. However, his campaign was stopped by Khazar. 205 00:19:33,060 --> 00:19:37,500 Tanya eventually learned Carl had survived the fall and traveled to the Savage Land with 206 00:19:37,500 --> 00:19:43,400 Archangel and Spider-Man. They found him, but the Savage Land mutates captured them and used one of 207 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:48,520 Magneto's genetic transformers to mutate Archangel, Spider-Man, and Tanya into 208 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:53,300 animalistic forms. When the machine was destroyed, Carl drained their altered life 209 00:19:53,300 --> 00:19:58,720 energies to restore them. The process worked, but he involuntarily transformed into Sauron again 210 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:04,500 and joined the mutates in opposing the X-Men. The X-Men defeated them and returned Carl to the 211 00:20:04,500 --> 00:20:10,520 United States, where Professor Xavier appeared to cure him. Carl and Tanya reunited, hoping to 212 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:16,700 build a normal life. The attempt ended when the mutant Toad abducted Carl and Tanya in order to 213 00:20:16,700 --> 00:20:21,740 recruit Sauron into his new Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, whom you've learned more about in their 214 00:20:21,740 --> 00:20:27,700 duel against the Flash Rogues. Toad forced Carl to drain Tanya's life energy, killing her and 215 00:20:27,700 --> 00:20:32,800 transforming Carl into Sauron once more. Enraged, Sauron joined the Brotherhood and 216 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:38,300 helped them attack X-Force, Cable then shot Sauron and discarded his body, though he 217 00:20:38,300 --> 00:20:42,760 eventually recovered. He later battled X-Factor, marking the beginning of several 218 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:48,120 renewed clashes with the X-Men. You can learn more about Toad in his duel against the Trickster and 219 00:20:48,120 --> 00:20:52,300 more about X-Force and X-Factor in their respective duels against the Outsiders and the 220 00:20:52,300 --> 00:20:58,300 Freedom Fighters. Sauron returned to the Savage Land and took leadership of the Mutates. In one 221 00:20:58,300 --> 00:21:03,940 effort to increase his power, he had them kidnap Havoc, hoping to use his energy to sustain 222 00:21:03,940 --> 00:21:09,340 himself. When Cyclops, Phoenix, and Polaris attempted a rescue, Sauron placed both Summers 223 00:21:09,340 --> 00:21:14,640 Brothers in an energy transfer device. The combined energies mutated him further, 224 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:19,280 enlarging him and increasing his strength. Phoenix confronted Carl on the psychic Astral 225 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:24,200 Plane, where his human consciousness seized control and cast his Sauron persona into an 226 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:30,160 internal abyss. As a result, Sauron's physical form became trapped in a feral, non-sentient 227 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:35,720 state. Sauron later recovered fragments of his human mind and used this clarity to escape the 228 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:41,060 Savage Land by stowing away Ancazar's transport to New York. He sought out the X-Men again, but was 229 00:21:41,060 --> 00:21:46,540 defeated and turned over to Shield. Eventually, he was incarcerated within the Weapon X program, 230 00:21:46,540 --> 00:21:51,500 subjected to their experimentation, and forced to capture and recruit other mutants, though the 231 00:21:51,500 --> 00:21:57,580 program eventually collapsed. Carl was then held in the superhuman prison called the Raft, where he 232 00:21:57,580 --> 00:22:02,720 escaped during a jailbreak, prompting the Avengers to pursue him back to the Savage Land. 233 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:07,800 After briefly holding the New Avengers team hostage alongside the mutates, Sauron was shot in 234 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:12,600 the head by Black Widow. He survived by having previously absorbed Wolverine's healing 235 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:17,920 factor. During the Skrull's secret invasion of Earth and their infiltration of the Savage Land, 236 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:23,440 Sauron fought the Skrulls alongside Khazar, his wife Shanna, their pet Sabertooth Tiger Zabu, and 237 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:28,480 the native tribes. Sauron later appeared at a gathering of Wolverine's enemies, hosted by 238 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:33,680 Sabertooth, where Wolverine fought and defeated the assembled villains. Sauron then joined the 239 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:39,020 Hellfire Club's new school, the Hellfire Academy, as a staff member, serving as the 240 00:22:39,020 --> 00:22:44,100 school's science instructor. Sauron eventually partnered with Dr. Vincent Stegron, a former 241 00:22:44,100 --> 00:22:50,000 Shield scientist who experimented with dinosaur DNA recovered from the Savage Land. Together, 242 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:55,380 they plan to transform humanity into dinosaurs, battling Spiderman and students from the Jean 243 00:22:55,380 --> 00:23:00,260 Grey School. Their alliance crumbled due to jealousy over their infatuation with the student 244 00:23:00,260 --> 00:23:05,380 Shark Girl, leading to an internal conflict that caused their powers to cancel out, petrifying 245 00:23:05,380 --> 00:23:11,540 both. Later, Carl resumed laboratory work to enhance control over his transformations. Now 246 00:23:11,540 --> 00:23:17,780 able to store mutant energy, he transformed into Sauron at will and confronted the Scarlet Spider, 247 00:23:17,780 --> 00:23:22,980 a clone of Spiderman before being defeated and restrained for authorities. However, he escaped 248 00:23:22,980 --> 00:23:28,860 and maintained a lab in Staten Island, helping defend it against Null, a dark primordial deity 249 00:23:28,860 --> 00:23:33,480 you can learn more about in his duel with White Lantern. Joining his fellow mutants on the 250 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:39,020 Sentient Island nation of Krakowa, Carl then joined the team X-Men Green, which took an 251 00:23:39,020 --> 00:23:44,400 environmentalist stance, fighting on behalf of planet Earth. After the fall of Krakowa, Carl 252 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:49,800 returned to the Savage Land, where he was later imprisoned by Khazar. And that's his backstory. 253 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:55,880 Powers-wise, Sauron is a mutate with the ability to drain life energy or any thermal energy source 254 00:23:55,880 --> 00:24:00,860 directed at him through touch contact. Initially, the energy would involuntarily 255 00:24:00,860 --> 00:24:06,340 transform Carl into a pterodactyl form, though through his medical and genetics expertise, he 256 00:24:06,340 --> 00:24:11,520 developed the ability to transform at will by storing the energy in his cells. With his 257 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:16,420 pterodactyl physiology, he gains enhanced strength, able to lift around 10 tons, 258 00:24:16,420 --> 00:24:22,800 durability, and flight. He has a beak full of sharp teeth along with talons on his hands and feet. 259 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:28,200 Siphoning a victim's life energy leaves them feeling drained, and Sauron can expel excess 260 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:33,960 energy from his mouth via fire breathing or energy emissions through his hands. With his eyes, 261 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:39,100 Sauron can hypnotize victims to induce hallucinations. When he drains mutants, he 262 00:24:39,100 --> 00:24:44,780 absorbs their mutant powers temporarily, though to a lesser extent than rogue. If he runs out of 263 00:24:44,780 --> 00:24:49,960 energy, he will revert back to his human form. The extent of his intelligence while in pterodactyl 264 00:24:49,960 --> 00:25:04,310 mode varies. He typically retains his intellect as Sauron Okay, so he is a little bit more going for 265 00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:11,170 him than I initially thought. Good. I also forgot that he had a human form. I thought he was just full 266 00:25:11,170 --> 00:25:17,470 pterodactyl all the time. Nope. Initially, he was supposed to be like a bat creature, but they 267 00:25:17,470 --> 00:25:21,610 couldn't get that past the comics code authority because that would have been too vampire like. So 268 00:25:21,610 --> 00:25:27,230 the writers turned him into a pterodactyl, which in turn influenced the entire savage land to be a 269 00:25:27,230 --> 00:25:31,730 prehistoric refuge. Interesting. Well, that sounds like it would have been too close to Morbius 270 00:25:31,730 --> 00:25:36,590 anyway. Right, exactly. Well, now that we've heard about Sauron, let's get to the character 271 00:25:36,590 --> 00:25:43,650 everyone's here for. Parasite. The earliest individual to bear the name Parasite was Raymond 272 00:25:43,650 --> 00:25:49,370 Maxwell Jensen, a laborer whose exposure to radioactive material at a research facility 273 00:25:49,370 --> 00:25:55,610 mutated his body into a parasitic organism capable of absorbing life energy, memories, and 274 00:25:55,610 --> 00:26:00,770 powers through physical contact. Jensen repeatedly confronted Superman, draining 275 00:26:00,770 --> 00:26:06,250 portions of Kryptonian power before his body destabilized and disintegrated. Though 276 00:26:06,250 --> 00:26:11,990 believed destroyed multiple times, Jensen's cells repeatedly reconstituted, establishing 277 00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:18,690 that a human body could persist as a living energy absorbing entity. Years later, a new incarnation 278 00:26:18,690 --> 00:26:26,090 emerged in Rudolph Rudy Jones, a janitor employed at the Pittsburgh branch of Star Labs. Believing 279 00:26:26,090 --> 00:26:32,010 valuable materials were hidden within secured waste containers, Rudy forced one open and was 280 00:26:32,010 --> 00:26:38,150 exposed to experimental radiation. The accident transformed him into a bald, green-skinned 281 00:26:38,150 --> 00:26:43,890 mutant whose body could no longer sustain itself naturally. Rudy discovered that he had to drain 282 00:26:43,890 --> 00:26:49,630 life energy directly from other beings in order to survive, leaving victims as burned-out 283 00:26:49,630 --> 00:26:56,610 skeletons. Unlike Jensen, Rudy's hunger was constant and unavoidable, and without feeding, 284 00:26:56,610 --> 00:27:02,530 his body rapidly deteriorated. Rudy fled confinement and became known as Parasite, 285 00:27:02,530 --> 00:27:08,390 quickly drawing the attention of Superman after draining multiple victims. When Parasite made 286 00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:14,190 contact with Superman, he absorbed Kryptonian energy on a massive scale, gaining superhuman 287 00:27:14,190 --> 00:27:19,970 strength, durability, and heightened intelligence. As the stolen energy dissipated, 288 00:27:19,970 --> 00:27:25,630 Parasite weakened again, driving him to repeatedly seek out Superman as his most potent 289 00:27:25,630 --> 00:27:31,130 source of sustenance. Parasite's earliest confrontations with Superman were erratic and 290 00:27:31,130 --> 00:27:37,370 driven by immediate hunger. He was repeatedly captured and incarcerated, only to escape as his 291 00:27:37,370 --> 00:27:43,110 absorption abilities weakened power systems and guards alike. Attempts to stabilize or cure his 292 00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:48,610 condition failed, instead altering his physiology. Medical interventions changed his 293 00:27:48,610 --> 00:27:54,570 skin color from green to purple, and expanded his absorption capabilities to include non-living 294 00:27:54,570 --> 00:28:01,310 energy sources such as electricity and heat. During a volatile standoff involving Firestorm, 295 00:28:01,310 --> 00:28:06,570 Parasite was deployed despite objections from those overseeing the operation. Once released, 296 00:28:06,570 --> 00:28:11,510 he immediately lost control, feeding indiscriminately and endangering multiple 297 00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:16,930 combatants. When he attacked Firestorm directly, the disparity in power left Parasite 298 00:28:16,930 --> 00:28:22,770 severely injured and near death, though subdued, Parasite later exhibited further psychological 299 00:28:22,770 --> 00:28:28,090 changes. Parasite's fixation on Superman intensified during a crisis in which Superman 300 00:28:28,090 --> 00:28:34,110 struggled to contain an overload of solar energy. The confrontation carried both beyond Earth, 301 00:28:34,110 --> 00:28:40,130 where Superman released a massive burst of heat vision. Parasite absorbed the blast entirely, 302 00:28:40,130 --> 00:28:45,770 triggering a violent mutation that increased his size and strength. In this state, he could drain 303 00:28:45,770 --> 00:28:51,330 inertia from moving objects and siphon energy through mental contact, making telepathic 304 00:28:51,330 --> 00:28:56,810 attacks ineffective. The transformation also increased his metabolic demands, forcing more 305 00:28:56,810 --> 00:29:02,490 frequent feeding. While imprisoned afterward, Parasite absorbed a scientist tending to him, 306 00:29:02,490 --> 00:29:07,170 though he was not consumed completely, and instead the mind of Dr. Torval Freeman remained 307 00:29:07,170 --> 00:29:13,370 within Parasite, significantly increasing his intelligence. From that point forward, Parasite 308 00:29:13,370 --> 00:29:19,790 employed more calculated tactics, relying less on uncontrolled rampage and more on planning and 309 00:29:19,790 --> 00:29:25,150 deception. Parasite later aligned himself with other adversaries targeting Superman, 310 00:29:25,150 --> 00:29:29,470 repeatedly testing how his absorption interacted with altered forms of Kryptonian 311 00:29:29,470 --> 00:29:35,690 power. In one encounter, Superman's unstable energy nearly killed Parasite. In another, 312 00:29:35,690 --> 00:29:40,790 Parasite attempted to feed on Supergirl and was defeated. These encounters informed Parasite's 313 00:29:40,790 --> 00:29:46,070 subsequent tactics and feeding strategies. A significant change occurred when Parasite was 314 00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:51,550 contracted to drain excess electromagnetic energy from an electrical being known as Strange 315 00:29:51,550 --> 00:29:57,350 Visitor. Exposure to this energy altered Parasite permanently, allowing him to retain 316 00:29:57,350 --> 00:30:03,050 absorbed intellects and hold stolen power for extended periods. Later, he absorbed a 317 00:30:03,050 --> 00:30:08,230 shapeshifter, getting the ability to replicate victims perfectly at the genetic level, 318 00:30:08,230 --> 00:30:13,710 including voice, appearance, and biological traits. With these abilities, Parasite shifted 319 00:30:13,710 --> 00:30:19,390 tactics. He stalked Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen, seeking leverage over Superman rather than 320 00:30:19,390 --> 00:30:25,050 immediate power. By posing as an elderly civilian and engineering brief physical contact with 321 00:30:25,050 --> 00:30:31,310 Lois, Parasite confirmed Superman's secret identity. He abducted Lois and replaced her, 322 00:30:31,310 --> 00:30:36,630 maintaining the impersonation through repeated contact. During this period, Parasite provoked 323 00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:42,430 confrontations with Clark Kent and later struck Superman while still disguised as Lois, 324 00:30:42,430 --> 00:30:48,370 revealing the deception. The scheme ended during a physical assault on Superman. Over time, 325 00:30:48,370 --> 00:30:53,950 Parasite had unknowingly absorbed Kryptonite radiation present in Superman's system. The 326 00:30:53,950 --> 00:31:00,090 accumulated poisoning overwhelmed him, made flights, paralyzing, and killing him before he 327 00:31:00,090 --> 00:31:05,970 could disclose Lois' location. Superman later recovered Lois from Parasite's hideout. Despite 328 00:31:05,970 --> 00:31:11,610 his apparent death, Parasite later resurfaced in St. Rock, Louisiana. There, he used his abilities 329 00:31:11,610 --> 00:31:16,710 to temporarily drain other villains of their powers in exchange for payment, allowing them to 330 00:31:16,710 --> 00:31:21,210 evade detection. Though his appearance and speech differed noticeably from earlier 331 00:31:21,210 --> 00:31:27,270 encounters, he was confirmed to be Rudy Jones, having regenerated from his apparent death. 332 00:31:27,270 --> 00:31:33,250 After the Flashpoint event reset continuity, a new Parasite emerged in the form of Joshua Michael 333 00:31:33,250 --> 00:31:38,950 Allen, a courier living in Metropolis. Allen's transformation began when he attacked a 334 00:31:38,950 --> 00:31:44,030 Parasitic creature during a battle, electrocuting both it and himself. Though he 335 00:31:44,030 --> 00:31:50,010 survived, his body deteriorated rapidly. While undergoing examination at Star Labs, an 336 00:31:50,010 --> 00:31:55,490 explosion killed the attending scientists and transformed Allen into a skeletal, hairless 337 00:31:55,490 --> 00:32:00,550 organism that drained life energy uncontrollably. Unable to endure the constant 338 00:32:00,550 --> 00:32:05,950 hunger, Allen attempted suicide, but Superman intervened. Contact with Superman temporarily 339 00:32:05,950 --> 00:32:12,330 relieved his pain, initiating an obsession with metahuman energy. Allen was imprisoned and later 340 00:32:12,330 --> 00:32:17,670 aligned with criminal groups to gain access to stronger power sources. His abilities evolved, 341 00:32:17,670 --> 00:32:23,010 allowing power replication with minimal contact and size increase, proportional to absorbed 342 00:32:23,010 --> 00:32:28,970 energy. Rudolph Rudy Jones later reappeared as Parasite in this continuity, demonstrating 343 00:32:28,970 --> 00:32:34,590 greater caution than in earlier incarnations and refusing to absorb energies he believed would 344 00:32:34,590 --> 00:32:40,010 destroy him. He was forcibly recruited into suicide squad operations and deployed on a 345 00:32:40,010 --> 00:32:45,810 mission to capture the new Swamp Thing, during which he fed on the green and was violently purged 346 00:32:45,810 --> 00:32:51,250 of the stolen energy, leaving him mutilated and abandoned. Jones later returned under 347 00:32:51,250 --> 00:32:55,910 supervision, equipped with a device that regulated his hunger and allowed limited 348 00:32:55,910 --> 00:33:01,230 employment. He assisted Superman during major threats and was seemingly killed while fighting 349 00:33:01,230 --> 00:33:07,530 Doomsday, surviving by absorbing residual energy. His most unstable mutation allowed him to 350 00:33:07,530 --> 00:33:12,590 divide into autonomous duplicates capable of infecting other beings, increasing his threat 351 00:33:12,590 --> 00:33:18,650 level while also accelerating his physical collapse. And that's Parasites. Powers-wise, 352 00:33:18,650 --> 00:33:24,350 Parasite absorbs life energy, memories, skills, and superhuman abilities through physical 353 00:33:24,350 --> 00:33:31,510 contact and can train non-living energy sources such as electricity, heat, and solar radiation. 354 00:33:31,510 --> 00:33:37,190 Absorbed power temporarily enhances his strength, durability, size, and intellect 355 00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:43,070 before dissipating, requiring continual feeding. He can perfectly mimic victims down to 356 00:33:43,070 --> 00:33:49,010 their DNA and regenerate. Later incarnations could also divide into duplicates, though he 357 00:33:49,010 --> 00:33:53,570 inherits the weakness of those he drains, including vulnerability to kryptonite when 358 00:33:53,570 --> 00:33:59,490 absorbing kryptonian energy and excessive absorption destabilizes his body. That's 359 00:33:59,490 --> 00:34:04,170 Parasite. Why didn't I know that he has shapeshifting abilities? He didn't always have 360 00:34:04,170 --> 00:34:10,670 them. He only attained them because he absorbed a shapeshifter for a time. But does he consistently 361 00:34:10,670 --> 00:34:17,730 have shapeshifting abilities now? Maybe. Okay, fucking dumb. It is unique that he's actually one 362 00:34:17,730 --> 00:34:23,590 of the few energy absorbers that can shapeshift. Like, Rogue can't do that. Well, no, his whole body 363 00:34:23,590 --> 00:34:30,870 is just weird, though. He's almost like Clayface in a way in a few iterations where he's just like 364 00:34:30,870 --> 00:34:35,850 this amorphous blob almost. Can you describe the version you're going with for this match a little 365 00:34:35,850 --> 00:34:42,030 bit better? Yeah, sure. I mean, he's going to start off in like a normal humanoid-ish size and 366 00:34:42,030 --> 00:34:47,670 physique, but of course purple in color. Okay. All right, that works for me. I don't think we've ever 367 00:34:47,670 --> 00:34:52,050 put two energy absorbers against each other. Like the most recent match we did was with Sebastian 368 00:34:52,050 --> 00:34:58,310 Shaw, but that was against Mandel Savage, and of course we've done Rogue and Superboy. So I have no 369 00:34:58,310 --> 00:35:04,290 idea how this is going to end, but let's find out. Did we think this battle through enough? Like, 370 00:35:04,290 --> 00:35:08,670 they're both energy absorbers. What are they going to absorb from each other? The ability to 371 00:35:08,670 --> 00:35:34,030 absorb energy? It's like pooping back and forth forever. I don't know if you like it. Podcast 372 00:35:34,030 --> 00:35:40,750 Network presents Console Combat, where video game legends brawl every Monday. Dynamic Duel, 373 00:35:40,750 --> 00:35:46,650 where comic book titans smash every Tuesday. Max Destruction, where TV and action heroes battle 374 00:35:46,650 --> 00:35:53,450 every Wednesday. And Sendro World, where anime champions clash every Thursday. Join us as we 375 00:35:53,450 --> 00:35:58,630 speculate on the matches and armed with the power of mathematical simulations, discover who will 376 00:35:58,630 --> 00:36:07,110 emerge victorious. Visit DynamicPodcast.com where we settle the debate and settle the score. 377 00:36:07,110 --> 00:36:13,490 All right guys, the clock is ticking. The holidays are just weeks away, and if you still haven't 378 00:36:13,490 --> 00:36:19,870 finished your shopping, now's the time to act. So head to OldGlory.com, where you'll find 379 00:36:19,870 --> 00:36:25,850 officially licensed Marvel and DC shirts, hoodies, and gear. Perfect for every fan on your 380 00:36:25,850 --> 00:36:33,210 list. They ship fast, but time's running out to get your gifts before the holidays hit. So go now and 381 00:36:33,210 --> 00:36:42,430 use the promo code Duel at checkout to save 15% off your entire order. That's D-U-E-L at 382 00:36:42,430 --> 00:36:50,250 OldGlory.com, because even superheroes can't stop the holiday countdown. Well now that we've 383 00:36:50,250 --> 00:36:54,410 got the characters, histories, and abilities out of the way, let's speculate on how one of the 1000 384 00:36:54,410 --> 00:36:59,710 simulated matches will go. The winners determined by simulations, not the speculation, 385 00:36:59,710 --> 00:37:05,310 but it's fun to imagine how this fight could play out. AG9K, what are the rules of our speculation? 386 00:37:05,310 --> 00:37:10,070 Well I should say there are no rules, other than the characters have no prior knowledge of the other 387 00:37:10,070 --> 00:37:14,810 going into the fight. All they are aware of starting out is that the other character is a 388 00:37:14,810 --> 00:37:19,190 threat that needs to be eliminated. For the speculation, the contestants will begin 389 00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:24,570 approximately 50 meters apart in a nondescript environment that will have no bearing on the match 390 00:37:24,570 --> 00:37:29,470 itself, as no environmental statistics are considered in my simulations. The contestants 391 00:37:29,470 --> 00:37:35,490 must earn victory on their own merit. Alright then, let's get into it. Parasite and Sauron meet 392 00:37:35,490 --> 00:37:42,030 on the battlefield? Who goes first? I'm actually guessing Parasite might go first, because at his 393 00:37:42,030 --> 00:37:50,130 base level, he's probably not as intelligent or as calculating as Sauron is. Basically, Parasite, 394 00:37:50,130 --> 00:37:56,770 he's just gonna be hungry, so he is going to lunge for Sauron, grabbing one of his wings, and 395 00:37:56,770 --> 00:38:01,950 draining his life energy, as well as his intellect. You think that Parasite can cover that 396 00:38:01,950 --> 00:38:06,910 distance of 50 meters between them before Sauron takes to the sky? I don't think that's gonna 397 00:38:06,910 --> 00:38:12,590 happen. Parasite's not gonna be able to touch Sauron, and while Sauron's looking down on 398 00:38:12,590 --> 00:38:19,270 Parasite from the air, he's gonna use his gaze to hypnotize Parasite into a trance that keeps him 399 00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:26,670 still. And with Parasite just standing there, Sauron's gonna land down behind him and grab his 400 00:38:26,670 --> 00:38:32,330 skull with both hands and just drain his life energy. Well, I mean, Sauron's physical contact 401 00:38:32,330 --> 00:38:39,770 would actually allow Parasite to drain him as well, though. And this match is over. They just 402 00:38:39,770 --> 00:38:44,670 both drain each other to death forever, apparently. Well, I mean, I imagine there would be 403 00:38:44,670 --> 00:38:51,810 some kind of energy feedback loop that would probably cause both of them to overload and be 404 00:38:51,810 --> 00:38:57,810 violently repelled from each other, like an explosive force. So now Parasite is like 15 feet 405 00:38:57,810 --> 00:39:05,990 tall, inject with a huge mouth of razor sharp teeth and wings. That doesn't sound right to me. I don't 406 00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:10,950 actually think Parasite would gain any benefit from absorption if that energy is just going back 407 00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:16,390 and forth between him and Sauron. My guess is that they wouldn't overload by touching each other, 408 00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:19,830 because where would that excess energy come from? Like, they're absorbers, they're not 409 00:39:19,830 --> 00:39:26,030 generators. I think that it would actually be a net energy gain for each side, like nothing would 410 00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:31,590 happen. So absorption alone probably wouldn't be a factor in this match. They'd have to resort to 411 00:39:31,590 --> 00:39:37,850 other abilities. But I mean, Parasite gets larger by absorbing any energy. Like maybe he wouldn't 412 00:39:37,850 --> 00:39:43,690 get the wings or any of Sauron's unique abilities, but the energy moving through him, I think, would 413 00:39:43,690 --> 00:39:49,810 make him smarter and stronger. What? Why? Like, you don't get any energy that Parasite absorbs 414 00:39:49,810 --> 00:39:58,770 would be taken from him via Sauron's absorption. Okay. Okay. So how would Sauron defeat Parasite 415 00:39:58,770 --> 00:40:05,950 then? Easy. Sauron rips Parasite's face off with his claws, obviously. Okay. So you mean he 416 00:40:05,950 --> 00:40:11,470 physically touches him? Awesome. With each slash, Parasite is just going to get stronger. But 417 00:40:11,470 --> 00:40:17,810 Sauron would also get stronger with each slash two. You know what, we got to find a way for them to 418 00:40:17,810 --> 00:40:23,750 actually absorb each other. That's the only way this is going to work. But we'll say that the one who 419 00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:29,970 is absorbing is the one who initiated the contact. So they can't touch each other. The one who's doing 420 00:40:29,970 --> 00:40:34,910 the strike is the one that absorbs. Does that make sense? How about that? So we'll go back to the 421 00:40:34,910 --> 00:40:39,870 initial narrative where Sauron takes to the air hypnotizes Parasite into submission and then 422 00:40:39,870 --> 00:40:44,470 lands behind him and then drains him with his claws. So this is going to leave Parasite weakened 423 00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:50,090 because he's not going to be absorbing from Sauron's touch. And then Sauron is just going to 424 00:40:50,090 --> 00:40:56,370 fry Parasite to a crisp with his flame breath, finishing him off. Okay. So Parasite will just 425 00:40:56,370 --> 00:41:03,270 absorb the thermal energy from the flame. And that's going to restore him probably beyond what 426 00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:09,690 he started out as because I'm going to say Sauron emitted much more energy than he drained. What? So 427 00:41:09,690 --> 00:41:17,310 now Parasite is, we'll say he's like eight foot jacked monster who uses his longer reach to grab 428 00:41:17,310 --> 00:41:23,290 Sauron by the wrists, draining his energy because he's the one who initiated the contact while also 429 00:41:23,290 --> 00:41:30,090 spreading Sauron's arms apart until they pop from the sockets. All right. But while Parasite is 430 00:41:30,090 --> 00:41:35,390 holding Sauron's arms out, he's going to kick his legs forward and snatch Parasite by the chest with 431 00:41:35,390 --> 00:41:41,370 his talons. And he's going to start draining back the energy that Parasite stole from him. That's 432 00:41:41,370 --> 00:41:48,410 going to cause Parasite to let go of Sauron's wrists. So Parasite loses energy. He shrinks down 433 00:41:48,410 --> 00:41:58,210 in withers. He's sees what the game is here. He's going to put some distance between them. So he's 434 00:41:58,210 --> 00:42:03,330 going to fly like 50, 100 yards away. And he's just going to start tearing up the environment below 435 00:42:03,330 --> 00:42:08,710 him, like slashing out the ground, tearing it up into like small chunks of earth. You know, he's 436 00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:13,310 could lift 10 tons. He's strong enough, but he's going to pick up some of these chunks and then fly 437 00:42:13,310 --> 00:42:18,790 into the air and then just start dropping and pelting Parasite with the stones, basically 438 00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:24,010 stoning him to death because he knows he has to keep his distance and Parasite can't do anything Okay, 439 00:42:24,010 --> 00:42:31,170 except in the brief moment Parasite held Sauron, he caught glimpses of some of Sauron's memories, 440 00:42:31,170 --> 00:42:37,350 particularly of Tanya. So with the last amount of his energy, Parasite is going to transform it to 441 00:42:37,350 --> 00:42:42,030 her. And that's going to trick Sauron's animalistic brain and prevent him from attacking 442 00:42:42,030 --> 00:42:47,670 her with the stones. And when Sauron flies down to meet her, that's when Parasite is just going to 443 00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:53,590 grab him by the throat and drain him. And he's going to gain wings in the process. So he flies up to the 444 00:42:53,590 --> 00:42:59,490 sky holding Sauron by the neck. And when Sauron becomes so drained that he reverts back to human 445 00:42:59,490 --> 00:43:06,930 form, that's when Parasite is going to drop him, causing Carl to fall to his death. Match over. That 446 00:43:06,930 --> 00:43:13,990 was a pretty solid move. But I'm going to say that right before turning back into Carl, Sauron with 447 00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:17,810 the last of his strength just rips out Parasites throughout with his beak while they're flying in 448 00:43:17,810 --> 00:43:25,730 the air. So Parasite, you know, he's in pain. He drops Sauron who glides safely to the ground, but 449 00:43:25,730 --> 00:43:31,110 Parasite crashes down and then bleeds out. Wait, so you're saying that Sauron did that with the last 450 00:43:31,110 --> 00:43:39,130 of his energy? So he still reverts to human form and still fell when Parasite let go? I'll allow this. I 451 00:43:39,130 --> 00:43:43,510 didn't mean it was like the last last of his energy. I mean, he still had some in the tank, you know, he 452 00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:48,530 was running on fumes, basically. But he could still do it. Parasite could use some of his stored 453 00:43:48,530 --> 00:43:54,830 energy to actually regenerate. You know, he's come back from death that way several times. Yep. 454 00:43:54,830 --> 00:43:59,730 But the key phrase there of what you just said is that he died, meaning Sauron wins, meaning match 455 00:43:59,730 --> 00:44:05,590 over. No, because I mean, what really happened is that he dropped Carl. So, well, we'll leave the 456 00:44:05,590 --> 00:44:11,770 match there. This was a tricky one. Either Parasite absorbed so much of Sauron's energy 457 00:44:11,770 --> 00:44:17,630 while flying up in the air that he causes Sauron to revert back to Carl and then drop some down to the 458 00:44:17,630 --> 00:44:23,870 ground, or Sauron, before reverting back into human, rips out Parasite's throat and Parasite 459 00:44:23,870 --> 00:44:29,930 dies that way. Not likely. We'll go ahead and input the character stats, run the simulations, and 460 00:44:29,930 --> 00:44:36,370 come back with a winner. AJ9K hit it. Inputting data, running calculations, processing 461 00:44:36,370 --> 00:44:41,610 results, simulations complete. All right, whose idea was this matchup? Was it yours, Jonathan? 462 00:44:41,610 --> 00:44:47,770 Because I feel like it was one of yours. It may have been mine, and I think I'm realizing why now we kept 463 00:44:47,770 --> 00:44:54,650 pushing this match off. This was not easy considering Parasite's stats are so fluid and 464 00:44:54,650 --> 00:45:00,210 variable. Yeah, really, Parasite is only as good as the character he's going up against. When he 465 00:45:00,210 --> 00:45:05,070 goes up against huge powerhouses like Superman, his stats are off the charts. But when he's going up 466 00:45:05,070 --> 00:45:09,610 against someone like mid-level, I would describe Sauron as, you know, Parasite stats are 467 00:45:09,610 --> 00:45:16,050 mid-level. That being said, you can never know at what given time what Parasite's stats are, 468 00:45:16,050 --> 00:45:20,450 because it's all based on how much energy he's absorbed from his opponent. Basically, what 469 00:45:20,450 --> 00:45:26,670 we've done energy absorbers in the past, like Rogue or Sebastian Shaw, will average their stats 470 00:45:26,670 --> 00:45:33,070 between their base level and their potential. So that's what we did here. Now, Parasite has some 471 00:45:33,070 --> 00:45:39,210 pretty impressive feats in the comics, but considering that Sauron is not as powerful, like 472 00:45:39,210 --> 00:45:45,270 you mentioned, as Superman or someone even like Firestorm, and on top of that, basically has the 473 00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:52,550 same abilities as Parasite in terms of absorption, this didn't really go in my favor, I 474 00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:58,090 feel like. Well, Parasite really had one main thing going for him over Sauron, and I believe that 475 00:45:58,090 --> 00:46:05,370 was durability. Yeah, base level durability for Parasite is fairly high. But Sauron, you know, he 476 00:46:05,370 --> 00:46:11,170 had the intellect thing going for him. He had the versatility because not only can he, you know, 477 00:46:11,170 --> 00:46:15,590 slash you with his talons, burn you with his fireballs or shoot you with energy or hypnotize 478 00:46:15,590 --> 00:46:21,190 you, he has like all this shit going for him outside of just the power of absorption. Whereas Parasite 479 00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:26,610 doesn't, he has to actually absorb the ability before he has it. So with all that said, Jonathan, 480 00:46:26,610 --> 00:46:31,570 who do you think is winning this match? Well, let's see, I'm hopeful. Just as our Instagram followers 481 00:46:31,570 --> 00:46:39,170 are, 62% of them voted in favor of Parasite in the poll that we put up on Instagram. Well, I think a lot 482 00:46:39,170 --> 00:46:44,730 of those poll takers are probably considering the fact that Parasite is a Superman villain, so 483 00:46:44,730 --> 00:46:50,650 they're putting him at Superman levels without actually considering exactly how his powers work 484 00:46:50,650 --> 00:46:56,990 in any singular matchup. But let's see if I'm right. AJ9K, the results please. Here you are, 485 00:46:56,990 --> 00:47:07,470 sir. Alright, the winner between Parasite and Sauron is Sauron. There's only one Lord of the 486 00:47:07,470 --> 00:47:13,410 Rings and he does not share power, not even with Parasite. Because out of the 1000 matches that 487 00:47:13,410 --> 00:47:24,830 they fought, Sauron won a whopping 662, damn, whereas Parasite only won 338, so 66.2% over 488 00:47:24,830 --> 00:47:33,650 33.8%. I'm not surprised by this, I'm hurt for sure, but not surprised. Although I feel like a lot 489 00:47:33,650 --> 00:47:39,690 of people will be. Yeah, well, really Jonathan, what you needed to do was have Parasite go up in a 490 00:47:39,690 --> 00:47:45,950 match with Superman and drain all of his energy and then go into this match with Sauron where he would 491 00:47:45,950 --> 00:47:50,750 have just wiped the floor with the dinosaur. But since that is not really something that we do in 492 00:47:50,750 --> 00:47:58,070 this podcast, yeah, Parasite just basically ate ass. Did you say he ate ass? Or ate shit? That's what 493 00:47:58,070 --> 00:48:04,070 I meant to say. Ew, so you're saying Parasite ate Sauron's ass? Oh my god, get over it, you're so 494 00:48:04,070 --> 00:48:08,350 obsessed with this, just move on. I already know you're running visuals in your head and 495 00:48:08,350 --> 00:48:16,010 everything. Well, let's leave it on that note. That'll do it for this duel. AJ9K, help close this 496 00:48:16,010 --> 00:48:23,810 out. Thanks for listening to Dynamic Duel. 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