1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:27,660 This is a DynaMic Network podcast. Hi and welcome to the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly show where we 2 00:00:27,660 --> 00:00:32,140 review superhero films and debate the superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing 3 00:00:32,140 --> 00:00:37,620 their characters in stat-based battle simulations. I'm Marvelous Joe and I'm his twin 4 00:00:37,620 --> 00:00:44,180 brother Johnny DC. As you guys probably know, that was not actually Johnny DC, that was me squeezing 5 00:00:44,180 --> 00:00:50,020 my nostrils. Johnny DC will be out for the first part of this episode because he is busy getting a 6 00:00:50,020 --> 00:00:55,800 procedure done, and in case that sounds vague, Jonathan got a kidney stone, which is super 7 00:00:55,800 --> 00:01:01,980 painful, really wishing him the best here. It was apparently too large to pass so they had to use a 8 00:01:01,980 --> 00:01:08,280 laser and basically play asteroids with the thing up in his kidney. Not a great time. I don't know how 9 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:14,840 one gets kidney stones, I think it's largely a dehydration thing, but since I am also usually 10 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:19,520 dehydrated and I've never gotten kidney stones, I can only assume that one actually gets kidney 11 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:24,920 stones from liking DC. So, public service announcement to all the DC fans out there, just 12 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:30,100 switch to Marvel and you won't get kidney stones. In this episode, Jonathan is going to be joining me 13 00:01:30,100 --> 00:01:36,300 as we find out who's going to win in a fight between Animal Man vs. The Lizard. And I'm feeling pretty 14 00:01:36,300 --> 00:01:40,420 good about this one. The Lizard is one of Spider-Man's most formidable foes and I think 15 00:01:40,420 --> 00:01:45,360 he's going to be really impressive statistically going up against Animal Man, who is probably a 16 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:50,160 lesser known DC character, but has kind of like a cult following. He's able to tap into the 17 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:55,320 abilities of all animals. We'll see who wins later on this episode. Before that, I'm going to break 18 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:59,400 down the latest comic book movie news that has come out over the past month since we haven't really 19 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:04,800 gotten to the news in a few weeks due to the holiday season. But there are two important things to talk 20 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:10,020 about including the fact that Brainiac has been cast in the Man of Tomorrow movie and we got an 21 00:02:10,020 --> 00:02:14,780 official trailer for the Wonder Man series. As always guys, we list our segment times in our 22 00:02:14,780 --> 00:02:18,960 episode description so feel free to check out the show notes if you want to skip ahead to a particular 23 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:23,560 topic. Our artificially intelligent Duel simulator AJ9K has a quick message for our 24 00:02:23,560 --> 00:03:03,520 listeners, so listen up. Hello. These are the final episodes of Dynamic Duel’s weekly podcast, leading up to our grand finale on January 20, 2026. We hope you’ve enjoyed the past ten years of Marvel and DC duels and reviews, and we’d love for you to stick with us as we count down these last episodes. We’re inviting you, the listener, to help us close out the show by visiting dynamic duel dot com over the next few weeks and clicking the red microphone button in the bottom-right corner to leave us a voicemail that we’ll play during the final episode. 25 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:17,040 Tell us what first got you into DC or Marvel, how long you’ve been listening, a favorite episode or moment, or anything else you want to share about what the podcast has meant to you. Your messages will be aired and responded to on the January 20 finale. Again, head to dynamic duel dot com and leave your final message — we would love to hear from you. Pip, pip, cheerio! Thanks 26 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:22,240 AJ9K and thanks to everyone who takes the time to call in and say goodbye to us in a voicemail. Be sure 27 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,040 to tune in to the other shows on the Dynamics Podcast Network this week including the Konsole 28 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:30,860 Kombat Podcast where hosts John and Dean simulate battles between popular video game characters. 29 00:03:30,860 --> 00:03:37,460 They are actually doing a tribute to Dynamic Duel by doing a DC vs Marvel themed month. So in 30 00:03:37,460 --> 00:03:42,700 yesterday's episode, they found out who would win between Deadpool from the Deadpool video game and 31 00:03:42,700 --> 00:03:48,060 Lobo from Injustice. That sounds like a good one, go check that out. Also check out the Max 32 00:03:48,060 --> 00:03:52,440 Destruction Podcast where hosts Scotty and Gilly pit your favorite action heroes from film and 33 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:57,700 television against each other. The Macho Twins this month are also doing a tribute to Dynamic Duel 34 00:03:57,700 --> 00:04:02,900 with the DC vs Marvel theme. They're going to find out who would win in a fight between the MCU's Agent 35 00:04:02,900 --> 00:04:09,080 Coulson and the Arrow vs John Diggle. That'll be on Wednesday. And on the Senjoh World Podcast hosts 36 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:13,560 Zachary Hepburn speculates on fights between fan favorite anime and manga characters. This month 37 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:19,339 Zach is revealing who would win between Mob from Mob Psycho 100 and the tornado of terror from One 38 00:04:19,339 --> 00:04:24,760 Punch Man. Visit DynamicPodcasts.com or click the link in our show notes to listen to all the shows 39 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:35,480 in the DynaMic Podcast Network. But now that that's done, onto the news! Alright in the first 40 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:41,540 bit of news we learned a few weeks ago that Brainiac has been cast in the Superman sequel which is 41 00:04:41,540 --> 00:04:47,700 titled Man of Tomorrow. The person playing Brainiac chosen by James Gunn for the film will be, 42 00:04:47,700 --> 00:04:57,020 let me check my notes here, Lars Eidinger, which of course everybody knows who that guy is. He was in 43 00:04:57,020 --> 00:05:05,020 Clouds of Sils Maria, obviously, and a movie called Persian Lessons. Now I'm going to be 44 00:05:05,020 --> 00:05:12,320 honest, I have no idea who this guy is and I don't think Jonathan does either. He is a German actor 45 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:19,060 who I will say does not not look the part. Apparently he did really well in his audition for 46 00:05:19,060 --> 00:05:24,640 the film. Now I'm not the DC guy on this podcast so I don't know if you guys want to hear my opinion, but I 47 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:29,620 don't think he's going to bring in any box office dollars because he has no name recognition and I 48 00:05:29,620 --> 00:05:34,340 think that James Gunn is really banking on the characters selling the movie as opposed to the 49 00:05:34,340 --> 00:05:39,680 actors themselves. Really David Cornsoit wasn't a huge name either when he was cast as Superman. And 50 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:44,420 also I'm not really sure if a name actor is necessary for Brainiac considering the level of 51 00:05:44,420 --> 00:05:49,700 potential prosthetics or special effects that will be applied to his performance. We don't know 52 00:05:49,700 --> 00:05:55,100 if they're going to go the green skinned alien route or the artificial intelligence route. So I 53 00:05:55,100 --> 00:06:00,860 can see this role going anywhere from live action performance to maybe just a voice role. We'll see 54 00:06:00,860 --> 00:06:05,060 what happens. I will say that this casting announcement drums up little to no excitement 55 00:06:05,060 --> 00:06:09,140 though. Doesn't mean he'll be bad. We'll have a better idea of what we're expecting from him once 56 00:06:09,140 --> 00:06:13,220 we get trailers and other marketing material, but that won't be for a while considering the movie 57 00:06:13,220 --> 00:06:18,600 doesn't come out until summer of 2027. In other bigger and better news, we got an official trailer 58 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:24,780 for the upcoming Wonder Man series starting Ya Ya Abdul Mateen II and Ben Kingsley. The upcoming 59 00:06:24,780 --> 00:06:30,220 series looks like a whole lot of fun. Absolutely nothing like the comic books. I do appreciate the 60 00:06:30,220 --> 00:06:34,720 angle that they're taking with the show though, especially considering that Wonder Man was 61 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:39,480 always unique within the larger superhero community as being one of the only superheroes who 62 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:45,580 was also an actor. It appears Marvel Studios has taken that concept and run with it, making Wonder 63 00:06:45,580 --> 00:06:51,580 Man more of a role that Simon Williams is pursuing as opposed to an outright hero and member of the 64 00:06:51,580 --> 00:06:57,100 Avengers. While it does take away from who the character is on the page, I do think it provides a 65 00:06:57,100 --> 00:07:02,460 unique opportunity for originality and commentary on the state of superhero cinema in 66 00:07:02,460 --> 00:07:06,860 general. They even mentioned within the course of this trailer that Wonder Man is here to battle 67 00:07:06,860 --> 00:07:12,680 superhero fatigue, which is in reference to the dwindling box office returns of superhero 68 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:18,800 theatrical releases, at least compared to a pre-COVID era. Simon Williams wants to play the 69 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:24,680 Wonder Man character in a movie that will be a reboot of a Flash Gordon-esque series that aired 70 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:31,580 within the MCU, the twist being that Simon Williams himself has superpowers. I don't know 71 00:07:31,580 --> 00:07:35,560 how they're going to treat the origin of Simon Williams because in the comic books of course 72 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:41,600 Wonder Man was a rival to Tony Stark, who was recruited by Baron Zemo into the Masters of Evil 73 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:47,840 team who were the enemies of the Avengers, and Simon was bombarded with ionic energy, making him 74 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:53,280 super durable, super strong. You can learn more about Wonder Man in our Duel episode where we pay 75 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:57,520 him against Captain Adam, that was a fun one. But this trailer doesn't give any sort of indication 76 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:03,880 that Yaya Abdul Mateen II's character is in fact a rival to Tony Stark. So I'm guessing he gets his 77 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,960 ionic superpowers some other way. I don't know if they're going to make him a mutant, but I'm hoping 78 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:13,700 that at least his origin involves Baron Zemo in some capacity, and that his powers are ionic in 79 00:08:13,700 --> 00:08:18,920 nature, otherwise the similarities to the comic book version of Wonder Man will be too few. 80 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,560 Regardless of how they figure that out, what I'm really looking forward to in the show are really 81 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:27,800 the performances of Yaya Abdul Mateen II. I've been a big fan of his, of course he was in the Aquaman 82 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:33,220 movies, he was in the Watchman HBO television series. I'm also a big fan of Ben Kingsley's Trevor 83 00:08:33,220 --> 00:08:38,020 Slattery, even though I still despise what they did with the character in Iron Man 3. I like how they 84 00:08:38,020 --> 00:08:42,360 kind of developed him over the course of Shang-Chi and now this show. I'll definitely be checking it 85 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:55,280 out when the show premieres on January 27th, just a few weeks from now. But enough of me just blabbing 86 00:08:55,280 --> 00:09:00,300 on in a room by myself. I gotta say doing this is really hard without a co-host, so let's get 87 00:09:00,300 --> 00:09:05,380 Jonathan on the line. Hopefully he's feeling better and we'll get this duel started and learn 88 00:09:05,380 --> 00:09:25,820 who would win in a fight between Animal Man and the Lizard. Alright Jonathan, welcome to the show. 89 00:09:25,820 --> 00:09:31,140 Glad you could join us. How are you feeling? I'm doing well for the most part. My throat is kind of 90 00:09:31,140 --> 00:09:38,180 gone right now after the forced projectile vomiting after coming out of anesthesia. So I hate 91 00:09:38,180 --> 00:09:43,960 talking. I'm not loving that I'm talking right now, but I do it for the fans. You know, even though 92 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:49,300 we only have two episodes left before our semi-retirement, it does seem like you're trying 93 00:09:49,300 --> 00:09:54,420 your damnace to make sure that we break our perfect streak over the past decade. Hey, I've been here 94 00:09:54,420 --> 00:10:01,220 for every episode. My guy, have you? No, that's fair. Exactly. I did miss an episode when my 95 00:10:01,220 --> 00:10:07,620 daughter was born. Priorities. Yeah, I can't believe I did that. But as you know, in this 96 00:10:07,620 --> 00:10:12,680 episode, we're going to find out who would win in a fight between Animal Man and the Lizard. And it's 97 00:10:12,680 --> 00:10:18,620 really going to suck because not only did you get PP Lazard, but you're also going to lose this match. 98 00:10:18,620 --> 00:10:22,560 So it's like kind of kicking you in the nuts when you've already been repeatedly kicked in the 99 00:10:22,560 --> 00:10:27,920 nuts. I don't know what makes you so confident. Like, to me, this is another Vixen Craven matchup. 100 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:34,100 Who won that one? Craven. Oh, shit. I think. But it was a coin toss. He only won 502 out of a thousand 101 00:10:34,100 --> 00:10:38,340 matches. Oh, wow. Well, here's where I'm coming from. I don't think there's anything the Lizard 102 00:10:38,340 --> 00:10:45,760 can do that Animal Man can't. So I think you're the one who is in fact going to have their PP kicked in. 103 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:50,400 Well, that's just not true. There are things that Lizard can do that Animal Man can't. Or at least I 104 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:55,320 don't think he can. And I'll tell you what those things are as we get into our backgrounds. Also, 105 00:10:55,320 --> 00:11:01,520 the Lizard has been in a movie, two movies, whereas Animal Man has not. So Lizard's just better in 106 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:06,980 general. I think Animal Man was in Teen Titans go to the movies. Cool. First to explain the 107 00:11:06,980 --> 00:11:12,280 methodology behind our duels, let's go to our sentient Duel simulator Alfred Jarvis 9000. AJ9K 108 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:18,040 tell our listeners how you go about determining a winner in our Duel matchups. Yes, of course, sir. 109 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,960 The way I determine a winner between the contestants is by running 1000 Monte Carlo 110 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:27,380 simulations using the characters statistics. A Monte Carlo simulation is a probabilistic model 111 00:11:27,380 --> 00:11:32,100 used to determine outcomes through random sampling. In this case, I randomize the 112 00:11:32,100 --> 00:11:37,040 statistics along a normal distribution as a way to simulate the many variables that can occur during 113 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:41,980 battle. The stat parameters are based on the official Marvel power grid from which the DC 114 00:11:41,980 --> 00:11:46,640 characters statistics are extrapolated. Additional stat categories are included such as 115 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:52,160 range, damage potential, versatility and perception in order to create a more detailed and 116 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:57,520 accurate simulation. The results of the 1000 simulations provide a percentage of wins for each 117 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:02,100 character. The contestant with the higher percentage is declared the victor as they have a 118 00:12:02,100 --> 00:12:07,400 higher probability to win any given battle. In an equitable pairing, neither character should win 119 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:12,740 100% of the matches. The comic book stories have shown that there's even a way for Batman to defeat 120 00:12:12,740 --> 00:12:17,200 Superman, so the confidence rate of my method falls in line with the precedents that have been 121 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:21,040 established in the source material. My mathematical simulations are without 122 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:26,620 subjectivity or bias. Feats are not the sole consideration, nor are fan votes tabulated for 123 00:12:26,620 --> 00:12:31,920 determination of the winner. Thanks AJ9K. Before we run the simulations though, we'd like to break 124 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:36,400 down each character's histories and abilities before improvising a scenario on how we imagined 125 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:41,800 one of the 1000 simulations would play out beat for beat. And it is my turn to go first with the Marvel 126 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:47,460 character backstory, so let me tell you all about the lizard. Kurt Connors was born in Coral Gables, 127 00:12:47,460 --> 00:12:52,520 Florida and showed an early aptitude for science that led him into higher education focused on 128 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:58,400 biology and biochemistry. While attending college, he met fellow student Martha and the two 129 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:03,540 eventually married and had a son, Billy. Connors pursued a career that blended medical science 130 00:13:03,540 --> 00:13:08,740 with public service, ultimately joining the US Army where he worked as a field surgeon treating 131 00:13:08,740 --> 00:13:14,160 wounded soldiers in combat conditions. During his military service, an explosion severely 132 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:20,220 injured his right arm and the damage was so extensive that the limb had to be amputated. The 133 00:13:20,220 --> 00:13:25,200 loss of his arm ended Connors' surgical career as he had envisioned it and became the defining 134 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:30,680 catalyst of his scientific life. After returning to civilian work, Connors redirected his 135 00:13:30,680 --> 00:13:37,060 research toward regenerative biology, focusing specifically on reptiles whose ability to regrow 136 00:13:37,060 --> 00:13:42,620 lost limbs far exceeded anything possible in human medicine. He became convinced that the 137 00:13:42,620 --> 00:13:48,460 mechanisms behind reptilian regeneration could be adapted for human use and that the problem was 138 00:13:48,460 --> 00:13:53,860 one of molecular activation rather than biological impossibility. Working from a 139 00:13:53,860 --> 00:13:59,620 laboratory in Florida, Connors developed an experimental serum derived from reptilian DNA. 140 00:13:59,620 --> 00:14:03,400 Initial animal testing appeared successful, demonstrating accelerated tissue 141 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:09,220 regeneration. Believing he had solved his core problem and driven by personal desperation, 142 00:14:09,220 --> 00:14:14,760 Connors chose to test the serum on himself. The experiment succeeded in restoring his missing 143 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:20,540 arm, but it also produced catastrophic side effects. Connors' body underwent a massive 144 00:14:20,540 --> 00:14:26,060 transformation, reshaping him into a large reptilian humanoid with enhanced strength, 145 00:14:26,060 --> 00:14:32,100 speed, durability, and regenerative capacity. More critically, the transformation altered his 146 00:14:32,100 --> 00:14:38,340 mental state, suppressing his human reasoning in favor of aggressive, instinct-driven behavior. 147 00:14:38,340 --> 00:14:43,580 The transformed Connors adopted the identity of the lizard, a creature that viewed human weakness 148 00:14:43,580 --> 00:14:49,240 as a flaw and increasingly saw forced evolution as a solution. The lizard's activities in the 149 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:53,980 Florida Everglades drew public attention, including reports of attacks and sightings that 150 00:14:53,980 --> 00:14:58,600 reached New York. Spider-Man traveled to Florida to investigate and eventually confronted the 151 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:03,320 creature. During their encounter, Spider-Man discovered that the lizard was Kurt Connors and, 152 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:08,500 using Connors' own research notes, developed an antidote that forced the lizard back into human 153 00:15:08,500 --> 00:15:13,300 form. You can learn more about Spider-Man in his duel against Blue Beetle. Although Connors 154 00:15:13,300 --> 00:15:17,980 regained his mind and body, the cure was temporary. Continued exposure to the 155 00:15:17,980 --> 00:15:22,200 biochemical effects of the serum and the instability of the transformation meant the 156 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:27,320 lizard resurfaced repeatedly. Connors attempted to refine his work to eliminate the side 157 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:33,140 effects, but each attempt risked another loss of control. Over time, the lizard emerged not merely 158 00:15:33,140 --> 00:15:38,460 as a physical transformation, but as a recurring condition tied to Connors' physiology, stress 159 00:15:38,460 --> 00:15:43,880 levels, and experimental exposure. Connors later relocated his professional life to New York 160 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:49,280 City, where he became affiliated with Empire State University, where Peter Parker attended. 161 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:53,820 There, he worked as a researcher and professor, earning respect within the scientific community 162 00:15:53,820 --> 00:15:58,940 despite the instability of his condition. During this period, Peter Parker came into Connors' 163 00:15:58,940 --> 00:16:04,340 orbit as a student and Connors served as a mentor and academic authority figure. Connors remained 164 00:16:04,340 --> 00:16:09,360 unaware of Parker's identity as Spider-Man, even as their lives continued to intersect through 165 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:14,040 repeated confrontations with the lizard. Connors made ongoing efforts to control or 166 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:18,800 suppress the transformation rather than simply reverse it after the fact. He experimented with 167 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:23,000 chemical inhibitors and neurological suppressants designed to preserve his human 168 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:28,260 intellect during transformation or prevent the lizard from emerging at all. These methods proved 169 00:16:28,260 --> 00:16:32,740 inconsistent. Outside interference also worsened the condition as criminals and rival 170 00:16:32,740 --> 00:16:36,980 scientists sought to exploit Connors' research for their own ends, often triggering 171 00:16:36,980 --> 00:16:41,560 transformations through sabotage or coercion. The instability of Connors' condition placed 172 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:46,460 increasing strain on his family. Martha grew distrustful of Connors' assurances that he had 173 00:16:46,460 --> 00:16:52,320 cured himself as each relapse endangered their son and disrupted their lives. Eventually, she 174 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:57,880 took Billy and separated from Connors. Martha later died from cancer, leaving Connors alone and 175 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:02,920 deepening the emotional consequences of his failures as both a scientist and a father. 176 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:08,060 Connors' research was later duplicated and misused by other scientists. Dr. Vincent Stegron 177 00:17:08,060 --> 00:17:13,339 adapted Connors' work to induce dinosaur-like mutations in himself while another offshoot of 178 00:17:13,339 --> 00:17:18,900 Connors' experiments resulted in the creation of the iguana, a mutated being who carried aspects of 179 00:17:18,900 --> 00:17:23,780 the lizard's physiology and behavioral traits. Connors was repeatedly drawn into conflicts 180 00:17:23,780 --> 00:17:28,119 involving these figures, often assisting Spider-Man in containment efforts while 181 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:33,040 struggling to prevent his own transformation. Connors was also removed from Earth during the 182 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:37,560 large-scale conflict in which heroes and villains were transported to an alien world and 183 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:42,900 forced into battle in a secret war by the beyonder. Although his experience did not resolve his 184 00:17:42,900 --> 00:17:48,020 condition, it further destabilized his life, and upon returning to Earth, Connors found his 185 00:17:48,020 --> 00:17:52,420 personal and professional relationships in worse condition than before. During his research 186 00:17:52,420 --> 00:17:58,140 to fix himself, Connors' young son Billy was accidentally exposed to the lizard serum, 187 00:17:58,140 --> 00:18:03,220 temporarily transforming into a reptilian form as well. The stress caused Connors to eventually 188 00:18:03,220 --> 00:18:09,100 lose control over the lizard entirely, and in his rage, the creature killed his son. The event 189 00:18:09,100 --> 00:18:14,180 completely shattered Connors' psyche, leaving the lizard as the new dominant personality with 190 00:18:14,180 --> 00:18:19,280 Connors' intelligence but stripped of much of his emotional restraint and guilt. After Billy's 191 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:23,420 death, the lizard developed additional abilities, including the capacity to trigger 192 00:18:23,420 --> 00:18:27,960 violent, primitive behavior in others by stimulating aggressive responses in the 193 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:32,860 reptilian complex part of the human brain. This led to widespread chaos and made the lizard 194 00:18:32,860 --> 00:18:37,280 significantly more dangerous than before. Spider-Man ultimately defeated the creature by 195 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:42,060 using Connors' own biochemical work to counter these effects and force the lizard into a state 196 00:18:42,060 --> 00:18:46,780 where it could be subdued. Despite these events, Connors continued to exist within the lizard's 197 00:18:46,780 --> 00:18:52,000 body, experiencing his dormant condition as a form of punishment. He was eventually confined in 198 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:56,260 high-security facilities, including the raft, where he accepted imprisonment as a necessary 199 00:18:56,260 --> 00:19:00,920 safeguard. Even in confinement, Connors' scientific expertise made him a target for 200 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:05,940 manipulation, particularly by other imprisoned supervillains seeking to exploit his knowledge. 201 00:19:05,940 --> 00:19:10,740 Connors was later approached with the promise of restoring his family. He was reunited with 202 00:19:10,740 --> 00:19:16,780 versions of Martha and Billy, only to discover they were clones created by the Jackal. When the 203 00:19:16,780 --> 00:19:21,500 clones began deteriorating due to a viral condition, Connors injected them with the lizard 204 00:19:21,500 --> 00:19:26,280 serum in an attempt to preserve their lives, transforming them into reptilian beings like 205 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:30,740 himself. In an effort to regain stability, Connors returned to Empire State University 206 00:19:30,740 --> 00:19:36,020 under strict conditions and accepted the implantation of an inhibitor device designed to 207 00:19:36,020 --> 00:19:41,140 regulate his transformations. This allowed him to function publicly while limiting the lizard's 208 00:19:41,140 --> 00:19:45,880 influence, and he was able to stabilize Billy's cloned body. The inhibitor device was later 209 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:50,300 removed when Billy was abducted during an orchestrated hunt involving animal-themed 210 00:19:50,300 --> 00:19:56,520 criminals, allowing Connors to rescue his son. Afterward, Connors again isolated himself, 211 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:01,300 retreating underground to prevent any potential harm. His research remained focused on a 212 00:20:01,300 --> 00:20:07,260 permanent solution, separating or eliminating his reptilian alter ego. He developed a device 213 00:20:07,260 --> 00:20:11,920 called the isotope genome accelerator that he believed could split his human self from the 214 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:17,100 lizard. Connors activated the device under coercion from Dr. Octopus, who wanted to recruit 215 00:20:17,100 --> 00:20:22,500 the lizard into his new Sinister 6 team. The isotope genome accelerator succeeded in 216 00:20:22,500 --> 00:20:27,880 separating Connors from the lizard, leaving the creature as an independent entity, and forcing 217 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:33,400 Connors to confront the consequences of finally unleashing the lizard without his own mind acting 218 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:39,200 as a restraint. That's the lizard's backstory. Powers-wise, the lizard has enhanced reptilian 219 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:44,720 physiology, granting him increased strength, able to lift around 12 tons, increased speed of 220 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:50,680 around 50 miles per hour, and an increased leaping ability around two stories. His scaly hide and 221 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:56,260 dense tissue make him nearly bulletproof, and he has a regenerative healing factor. He can stick to 222 00:20:56,260 --> 00:21:01,560 walls and surfaces like a gecko, and has bone-crushing jaws with razor-sharp teeth and 223 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:07,560 claws that can rend stone. He can whip his powerful 6-foot-long, prehensile tail at 70 miles per 224 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:13,280 hour, and can control and communicate with reptilian life within a 2-mile radius, even 225 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:18,300 influencing the amygdala of humans which controls aggression, instincts, and the 226 00:21:18,300 --> 00:21:35,940 fight-or-flight response. That is the lizard. Now let me get into the backstory for Animal Man. 227 00:21:35,940 --> 00:21:41,290 Buddy Baker grew up in California as an average teenager interested in music, counterculture, 228 00:21:41,290 --> 00:21:46,370 and dating his high school girlfriend, Ellen Frazier. During a hunting trip in the Adirondack 229 00:21:46,370 --> 00:21:51,530 Mountains, Buddy discovered a crashed alien spacecraft, though before he could investigate 230 00:21:51,530 --> 00:21:58,090 further, the vessel exploded, bathing Buddy in unidentified radiation. Later, he returned home 231 00:21:58,090 --> 00:22:02,790 and graDuelly discovered that he could mimic the physical abilities of animals around him, 232 00:22:02,790 --> 00:22:08,470 drawing upon their speed, strength, agility, senses, or instincts, and scaling those traits to 233 00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:14,070 human proportions. As a young man, Buddy briefly attempted a costumed career using these 234 00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:19,170 abilities to promote his band, but lacking confidence and direction, he abandoned heroics 235 00:22:19,170 --> 00:22:24,850 after little success. Buddy chose a conventional life, marrying Ellen and starting a family, and 236 00:22:24,850 --> 00:22:29,470 later realized that his powers could be used professionally, finding steady work as a movie 237 00:22:29,470 --> 00:22:34,950 stuntman where his abilities allowed him to perform dangerous feats safely. For years, he 238 00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:39,810 kept his powers compartmentalized, using them for work while suppressing any larger heroic 239 00:22:39,810 --> 00:22:44,850 ambitions. Eventually, Buddy recognized that ignoring his abilities left him feeling 240 00:22:44,850 --> 00:22:51,010 incomplete. With Ellen's cautious support, he returned to super heroics under the name Animal 241 00:22:51,010 --> 00:22:56,290 Man, determined to balance family life with a growing sense that his powers carried deeper 242 00:22:56,290 --> 00:23:01,210 responsibility. Buddy was drawn back into heroics when he encountered the immortal man and 243 00:23:01,210 --> 00:23:06,590 joined the Forgotten Heroes, a group of displaced adventurers connected by mysterious ancient 244 00:23:06,590 --> 00:23:12,270 artifacts. He participated in global and offworld missions, including a journey into 245 00:23:12,270 --> 00:23:17,350 space during the reality-altering Crisis on Infinite Earths event that reshaped history 246 00:23:17,350 --> 00:23:22,850 itself. Buddy survived, but inconsistencies began appearing in his memories and origin. 247 00:23:22,850 --> 00:23:28,290 Returning to Earth, Buddy resumed activity as Animal Man, and increasingly focused on animal 248 00:23:28,290 --> 00:23:33,930 welfare and environmental causes. He investigated illegal animal testing, clashed 249 00:23:33,930 --> 00:23:39,590 with exploitive corporations, and aided other animal-themed superheroes such as Bawana Beast 250 00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:45,670 and Vixen. Witnessing institutional cruelty led Buddy to adopt vegetarianism and become an 251 00:23:45,670 --> 00:23:51,070 outspoken activist. Eventually, Buddy joined Justice League Europe. While serving with the 252 00:23:51,070 --> 00:23:56,090 team, he gained media attention and public support, though he resigned abruptly after a 253 00:23:56,090 --> 00:24:01,090 laboratory fire started by an activist animal rights group he was associated with, injured 254 00:24:01,090 --> 00:24:07,050 innocent firefighters. Following this, Buddy's powers became erratic. Animals died when he used 255 00:24:07,050 --> 00:24:12,710 his abilities and he experienced lapses in control. Buddy eventually became aware of two 256 00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:16,910 yellow-skinned observers monitoring his actions, beings that eventually identified 257 00:24:16,910 --> 00:24:22,490 themselves as members of an alien race known as the Tailors. They revealed that Buddy had not 258 00:24:22,490 --> 00:24:27,090 survived the spacecraft explosion he encountered as a teenager, and that his body had 259 00:24:27,090 --> 00:24:32,530 been reconstructed by the Tailors using access to the planet's morphogenic field, which was fused 260 00:24:32,530 --> 00:24:37,510 into his rebuilt biological template. His history had been adjusted to stabilize him across 261 00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:43,010 shifts in reality, leaving him aware of changes caused by universal restructuring such as Crisis 262 00:24:43,010 --> 00:24:49,410 events. As Buddy absorbed this revelation, reality destabilized further. He encountered 263 00:24:49,410 --> 00:24:55,370 indiviDuels tied to erased histories, witnessed inconsistencies in time, and he became aware that 264 00:24:55,370 --> 00:25:00,890 his existence followed authored rules. During this time, corporations threatened by Buddy's 265 00:25:00,890 --> 00:25:06,230 activism arranged the assassination of his family, and Ellen, his son Cliff and daughter 266 00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:12,450 Maxine were murdered in his absence. Overcome by grief and rage, Buddy tracked down the assassin 267 00:25:12,450 --> 00:25:18,030 and the executives behind the plot and killed them. Refusing to accept the loss, Buddy 268 00:25:18,030 --> 00:25:23,750 attempted to undo the tragedy using experimental time travel. The attempt failed, scattering him 269 00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:29,050 across different eras and further destabilizing reality. After Buddy's failed attempt to alter 270 00:25:29,050 --> 00:25:34,350 time destabilized his existence, the Tailors intervened directly and removed Buddy from 271 00:25:34,350 --> 00:25:40,230 linear reality. During this intervention, Buddy encountered Grant Morrison, the comic author 272 00:25:40,230 --> 00:25:45,470 shaping his reality and he was made aware that he was a comic book character. The Tailors soon 273 00:25:45,470 --> 00:25:50,510 repaired the timeline, creating a stable configuration in which Ellen, Cliff and Maxine 274 00:25:50,510 --> 00:25:56,030 were alive while preventing further collapse. Once the correction was complete, Buddy was 275 00:25:56,030 --> 00:26:00,810 returned home at the moment after his family's restoration. Though the specifics of the 276 00:26:00,810 --> 00:26:05,850 encounter faded from conscious memory, Buddy retained the emotional weight of their deaths and 277 00:26:05,850 --> 00:26:11,810 his actions afterward, permanently altering his outlook and ending his pursuit of power or fame. In 278 00:26:11,810 --> 00:26:16,450 the years that followed, Buddy lived between family life and limited heroics, though his 279 00:26:16,450 --> 00:26:21,150 powers continued to behave unpredictably. During one uncontrolled surge, he 280 00:26:21,150 --> 00:26:27,130 unintentionally caused the death of every animal at the San Diego Zoo. In the public backlash that 281 00:26:27,130 --> 00:26:32,370 followed, Ellen took the children to Vermont to escape scrutiny while Buddy descended into 282 00:26:32,370 --> 00:26:38,450 isolation and despair. Buddy followed his family east encountering shamans who identified him as 283 00:26:38,450 --> 00:26:43,730 one of several animal masters, guardians connected to animal life itself. They revealed 284 00:26:43,730 --> 00:26:48,930 that his daughter Maxine shared his connection and possessed greater potential. Legally 285 00:26:48,930 --> 00:26:54,590 declared dead and increasingly withdrawn from public heroics, Buddy continued acting only when 286 00:26:54,590 --> 00:26:59,830 necessary, focusing on animal protection and environmental intervention rather than 287 00:26:59,830 --> 00:27:04,570 traditional superhero activity. During the Blackest Night event in which the dead across the 288 00:27:04,570 --> 00:27:09,570 universe were reanimated as Black Lantern Zombies, Buddy was killed and became a Black 289 00:27:09,570 --> 00:27:15,570 Lantern. His connection to animal extinction amplified the Blackerings influence over him, 290 00:27:15,570 --> 00:27:21,050 causing him to attack both allies and his own family while driven by visions of predation, 291 00:27:21,050 --> 00:27:26,770 decay, and death. Buddy was later freed from his condition when the entity representing the white 292 00:27:26,770 --> 00:27:32,550 light of life and creation intervened, severing his bonds to death and restoring him. In the 293 00:27:32,550 --> 00:27:37,730 aftermath, Buddy briefly served as a white lantern. Following the Flashpoint events reset 294 00:27:37,730 --> 00:27:43,030 of DC's continuity, Buddy's powers were no longer the result of alien intervention but of his 295 00:27:43,030 --> 00:27:48,350 connection to the Red, the elemental force governing all animal life. The Parliaments of 296 00:27:48,350 --> 00:27:53,030 Limbs, ancient totems representing the collective will of animal existence, recognized 297 00:27:53,030 --> 00:27:59,410 Buddy as a temporary avatar. Buddy lived publicly as an actor and environmental advocate while 298 00:27:59,410 --> 00:28:04,970 raising his family in San Diego. When his daughter Maxine began exhibiting abilities tied to animal 299 00:28:04,970 --> 00:28:10,750 life, Buddy learned the truth of the Red and its opposing force, the Rocks, an elemental power of 300 00:28:10,750 --> 00:28:16,370 decay and death. Three corrupted emissaries of the Rocks, known as the Hunters III, targeted 301 00:28:16,370 --> 00:28:21,950 Maxine, believing her to be the Red's future guardian. To protect his family, Buddy entered 302 00:28:21,950 --> 00:28:26,730 the Red alongside Maxine, where the Parliament confirmed that Buddy was never meant to 303 00:28:26,730 --> 00:28:32,350 permanently hold the mantle of Avatar. As the Rocks' influence spread, Buddy was repeatedly 304 00:28:32,350 --> 00:28:37,850 killed and restored, forced to leap through animal forms and reconstruct himself through the 305 00:28:37,850 --> 00:28:42,810 Red to return to the physical world. Each resurrection deepened his connection to the Red 306 00:28:42,810 --> 00:28:49,230 while steadily eroding his physical stability, emotional restraint, and independence. Buddy 307 00:28:49,230 --> 00:28:55,290 allied with Swampthink, the Avatar of the Green, to confront Anton Arcane, the Rock's champion. 308 00:28:55,290 --> 00:28:59,910 After being trapped within the Rock and later escaping, Buddy returned to a world already 309 00:28:59,910 --> 00:29:05,530 suffering widespread devastation. As the Rock corrupted ecosystems and heroes alike, Buddy 310 00:29:05,530 --> 00:29:10,970 fought alongside remaining defenders to contain its spread. During the final confrontation, 311 00:29:10,970 --> 00:29:16,410 Maxine willingly entered the Rock to shield her family, demonstrating control beyond Buddy's 312 00:29:16,410 --> 00:29:22,970 own. Together with Swampthink, Buddy defeated Arcane, but the victory came at great cost. 313 00:29:22,970 --> 00:29:28,330 Buddy's son Cliff was mortally wounded while protecting his sister and died as a result. The 314 00:29:28,330 --> 00:29:33,910 loss fractured the Baker family. Ellen withdrew with Maxine, while the Parliament of Limbs 315 00:29:33,910 --> 00:29:39,490 severed Buddy's connection to the Red, vanishing him from its influence. Stripped of his powers, 316 00:29:39,490 --> 00:29:44,090 Buddy continued investigating animal cruelty and illegal experimentation, relying on 317 00:29:44,090 --> 00:29:49,170 experience rather than ability. In time, fragments of Buddy's connection to the Red 318 00:29:49,170 --> 00:29:55,170 returned. He resumed limited heroic activity, assisting the Justice League when needed and 319 00:29:55,170 --> 00:30:00,470 serving as caretaker for displaced alien animal life aboard the Watchtower. He also devoted 320 00:30:00,470 --> 00:30:07,010 himself to guiding Maxine as she matured into her role as animal girl and eventual guardian of the 321 00:30:07,010 --> 00:30:11,810 Red. And that's Animal Man's backstory. Power-wise, Animal Man is connected to the 322 00:30:11,810 --> 00:30:17,550 morphogenic field known as the Red, allowing him to access and combine the physical abilities, 323 00:30:17,550 --> 00:30:23,210 instincts, and senses of any animal, while scaling those traits to human proportions. He can 324 00:30:23,210 --> 00:30:29,570 enhance his strength, speed, durability, agility, and perception, while also gaining the 325 00:30:29,570 --> 00:30:35,090 abilities to regenerate, communicate with animals, and even reshape his body or transfer his 326 00:30:35,090 --> 00:30:40,870 consciousness into animal forms. His connection extends beyond Earth to extraterrestrial life, 327 00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:46,130 allowing him to gain abilities of alien animal life as well. And that's Animal Man. Is he able to 328 00:30:46,130 --> 00:30:51,770 tap into multiple abilities at once or is it just one at a time? Yes, he can actually. Okay, yeah. His 329 00:30:51,770 --> 00:30:56,150 versatility does frighten me a little bit, especially when you consider the fact that he can 330 00:30:56,150 --> 00:31:01,210 tap into alien animal abilities, which, what, that makes no sense. I thought the Red and the Green 331 00:31:01,210 --> 00:31:05,710 were tied into Earth's fields. No, it's a universal thing. That's why Swamp Thing could 332 00:31:05,710 --> 00:31:11,410 teleport to other planets. I haven't seen Buddy do alien life too often, because I think it's weird 333 00:31:11,410 --> 00:31:16,310 for him, and it may not do it during the speculation, but it has been done. How does he even 334 00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:22,790 know what the abilities of alien animal life are? Well, he gets sense where he's pulling them from. 335 00:31:22,790 --> 00:31:28,070 That's stupid. Does it take longer to tap into them if their galaxy's away? No, I don't believe so. It 336 00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:33,790 kind of feels like it makes his power set infinite, right? This is stupid. Wow, you sound jealous. 337 00:31:33,790 --> 00:31:38,310 Like a jealous bitch. I'll be interested in seeing how that plays out during the speculation if it 338 00:31:38,310 --> 00:32:36,390 does it all. It shouldn't, is what I'll say. But now that we've got the characters' histories and 339 00:32:36,390 --> 00:32:41,930 abilities out of the way, let's speculate on how one of the 1000 simulated matches will go. The 340 00:32:41,930 --> 00:32:46,510 winners determined by simulations, not the speculation, but it's fun to imagine how the fight 341 00:32:46,510 --> 00:32:51,830 could play out. A.J. and I.K., what are the rules of our speculation? Well, I should say there are no 342 00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:56,810 rules, other than the characters have no prior knowledge of the other going into the fight. All 343 00:32:56,810 --> 00:33:01,270 they are aware of starting out is that the other character is a threat that needs to be eliminated. 344 00:33:01,270 --> 00:33:07,150 For the speculation, the contestants will begin approximately 50 meters apart in a nondescript 345 00:33:07,150 --> 00:33:12,210 environment that will have no bearing on the match itself, as no environmental statistics are 346 00:33:12,210 --> 00:33:17,290 considered in my simulations. The contestants must earn victory on their own merit. All right, 347 00:33:17,290 --> 00:33:23,310 then let's get into it. Animal man and the lizard meet on the battlefield. Who goes first? I'm going 348 00:33:23,310 --> 00:33:27,090 to say that the lizard goes first because he's smart in calculating and everything like that, 349 00:33:27,090 --> 00:33:33,530 but he's also ferocious, so he's going to hunch down and zoom across the floor like a cracked out 350 00:33:33,530 --> 00:33:39,030 crocodile, and he leaps an animal man and just chomps down right down on his head. All right, but 351 00:33:39,030 --> 00:33:45,830 as the lizard is coming for him, animal man is going to quickly burrow underground like a mole, and 352 00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:50,870 kicking up all that dust, it's going to be hard for the lizard to see. So as he's like looking around 353 00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:55,910 for animal man, that's when animal man is just going to come up from the ground like a trap door 354 00:33:55,910 --> 00:34:02,510 spider, pull lizard down with him, and then bite him with this paralyzing venom. I don't think that 355 00:34:02,510 --> 00:34:07,450 animal man would have teeth that were sharp enough to get through the lizard's hide. Like bullets 356 00:34:07,450 --> 00:34:13,150 can't pierce the lizard. I don't think spider fangs can even proportionately. So animal man 357 00:34:13,150 --> 00:34:18,050 tries to bite the lizard, but it's like trying to bite through like hardened thick leather, and 358 00:34:18,050 --> 00:34:23,010 because of that lizard just slashes out animal man's jugular with his claws, and then crawls out 359 00:34:23,010 --> 00:34:29,790 of the hole. Okay, but animal man, he uses the healing ability of an axolotl to heal up his neck, 360 00:34:29,790 --> 00:34:36,010 and then he's going to just fly straight out of the hole right into the sky, and he's going to use the 361 00:34:36,010 --> 00:34:42,090 sight and diving ability of an eagle, like a golden eagle, to dive bomb the lizard at like 200 miles per 362 00:34:42,090 --> 00:34:46,590 hour, and that's going to knock him unconscious. No, lizard uses his tail like a Louisville 363 00:34:46,590 --> 00:34:51,949 slugger, and spins around and just whips it at animal man at like 70 miles per hour, but with like 364 00:34:51,949 --> 00:34:58,550 way more force. So animal man gets the shit slapped out of him, lands about 100 yards away, but 365 00:34:58,550 --> 00:35:04,750 completely unconscious. Okay, but if the lizard noticed animal man dive bombing came from the sky, 366 00:35:04,750 --> 00:35:10,870 animal man's eagle like gaze is going to see that he was spotted. So at the last second, animal man is 367 00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:16,370 going to take on the weight of an elephant. So he doesn't get knocked away, he's just going to land 368 00:35:16,370 --> 00:35:22,730 splat on the lizard on the ground. Okay, that would definitely hurt. I feel like it would hurt both of 369 00:35:22,730 --> 00:35:27,450 them, right? Like if animal man is crashing into his opponent with the speed of an eagle and the 370 00:35:27,450 --> 00:35:31,950 weight of an elephant, they would both get smashed. Okay, okay, let's go with this. Animal 371 00:35:31,950 --> 00:35:38,410 man was traveling with the speed of an eagle with the weight of an elephant, but the durability of a 372 00:35:38,410 --> 00:35:44,030 cockroach, which could basically fall from like space and be fine. So he gets to crawl out of the 373 00:35:44,030 --> 00:35:51,150 small crater he probably just created back onto his feet. No problem. Sure. Okay, so animal man is 374 00:35:51,150 --> 00:35:57,810 fine. Lizard though, you know, he'll have like a broken tail, probably broken ribs, lots of broken 375 00:35:57,810 --> 00:36:04,130 bones all over his body. But you know what? He heals. He is regenerative. And to allow him time to 376 00:36:04,130 --> 00:36:09,410 do that, he's going to tap into the reptilian complex of animal man's brain activating his 377 00:36:09,410 --> 00:36:15,470 flight response. So animal man flees away from the lizard, leaves the scene until he gets about like 378 00:36:15,470 --> 00:36:21,750 two miles out, which is the range of lizards psychic reptile control. And also the lizard made 379 00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:28,150 animal man flee as slow as a tortoise. So by the time the animal man comes back to the battle, lizards 380 00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:34,390 all healed up and ready to get back into the fight. Wait, what do you mean as slow as a tortoise? Like, 381 00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:40,410 can the lizard control what reptile the human behaves like? No, no, no, no. But like he tapped 382 00:36:40,410 --> 00:36:46,430 into animal man's amygdala, which is connected to the red and therefore connected to the greater 383 00:36:46,430 --> 00:36:51,570 reptilian kingdom, right? So lizard just inadvertently gave animal man tortoise speed 384 00:36:51,570 --> 00:36:58,690 because tortoises are reptiles. It's science. Don't worry about a right. Well, animal man, he's 385 00:36:58,690 --> 00:37:04,030 going to run back to the battle with the speed of like a thoroughbred horse. And as he approaches 386 00:37:04,030 --> 00:37:10,630 lizard, he's going to do this acrobatic flip like a monkey and he's going to spit in his face midair 387 00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:16,610 with squid ink that's going to blind lizard. So while lizard is like trying to wipe the ink away, 388 00:37:16,610 --> 00:37:22,650 animal man is going to grab him from behind and just overload him with electricity using the power of 389 00:37:22,650 --> 00:37:29,270 an electric eel. So lizard just got electrocuted to death. Match over. Okay, really like 390 00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:33,510 temperatures the lizards weakness because he's cold blooded. So it would make sense that 391 00:37:33,510 --> 00:37:39,650 electricity would knock him out, but he also causes reptiles to freak out basically. So that's 392 00:37:39,650 --> 00:37:44,310 what's going to happen. He freaks out instinctively and just like lashes out in a frenzy 393 00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:48,650 of fangs and claws. And that's just going to eviscerate animal man like he was put into a 394 00:37:48,650 --> 00:37:53,690 blender just limbs all over the battlefield. And I'm sure the animal man can like regenerate from 395 00:37:53,690 --> 00:37:59,070 that. But by that point, lizard has already psychically incapacitated animal man's 396 00:37:59,070 --> 00:38:04,510 amygdala. So match over. No, no, no, no. Because animal man, you know, with him being aware of the 397 00:38:04,510 --> 00:38:10,570 meta reality of this podcast speculation, he's just going to step out of the environment and 398 00:38:10,570 --> 00:38:16,250 compress the audio waves that make up the lizards existence until it's silent. So lizards actually 399 00:38:16,250 --> 00:38:23,330 gone. What are you talking about? Is he like all powerful? That's happening. Shh. Silence. That 400 00:38:23,330 --> 00:38:27,630 would make him as strong as like a godlike character. If he could just like control reality 401 00:38:27,630 --> 00:38:33,810 like that. Hey, he's done it in the comics before he compressed Ultraman into a comic panel. And this 402 00:38:33,810 --> 00:38:39,750 is because he can tap into the reality altering powers of alien animals or something. Well, yeah, 403 00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:46,110 for a time he was outside of reality and has remained aware of his nature. That's stupid. You 404 00:38:46,110 --> 00:38:50,910 know what? I'm glad we waited this long for animal man because he's a much worse character than I ever 405 00:38:50,910 --> 00:38:57,270 thought he was. We'll go ahead and leave the speculation there either lizard eviscerates 406 00:38:57,270 --> 00:39:03,770 animal man and then prevents him from regenerating or animal man pulls some stupid 407 00:39:03,770 --> 00:39:07,510 bullshit about the fourth wall. Let's go ahead and input the character stats, run the simulations 408 00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:13,990 and come back with a winner. Agenon K hit it. Inputting data, running calculations, 409 00:39:13,990 --> 00:39:20,470 processing results, simulations complete. All right. Yeah, this matchup was kind of comparable 410 00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:26,390 to the Vixen versus Craven the Hunter Duel matchup. The biggest difference between lizard 411 00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:32,350 and Craven the Hunter, I think statistically was fighting skill. Craven the Hunter is very adept at 412 00:39:32,350 --> 00:39:37,630 hand to hand combat, whereas the lizard operates primarily on instinct. Yeah, lizard was kind of a 413 00:39:37,630 --> 00:39:43,090 one trick pony as well. Craven had a higher versatility, but not as high as versatility as 414 00:39:43,090 --> 00:39:49,530 animal man does. Yeah, there's a ton of stuff that the animal kingdom can do. Everything from like 415 00:39:49,530 --> 00:39:56,170 shooting out boiling water at their opponents to camouflaging to stunning with electricity. It's 416 00:39:56,170 --> 00:40:00,690 a lot and he could do all of it. There were a lot of things that these two guys were comparable on, 417 00:40:00,690 --> 00:40:08,130 including durability. Actually, that's it. Lizard was much more intelligent than animal man. 418 00:40:08,130 --> 00:40:12,610 Yeah, that by far was the biggest discrepancy. Everywhere else, they were pretty much tit for 419 00:40:12,610 --> 00:40:17,850 tat. So all things consider Jonathan, who's taken this match? Well, since I did not run a poll 420 00:40:17,850 --> 00:40:24,070 yesterday, because I was in the hospital. I have no idea who our listeners would have voted for, but 421 00:40:24,070 --> 00:40:28,890 I'd like to think that they would have voted for animal man, because they're smart. I don't think a 422 00:40:28,890 --> 00:40:33,890 lot of people know who animal man is. I think a lot of people would have instant name and visual 423 00:40:33,890 --> 00:40:38,410 recognition with the lizard and therefore vote for him. Yeah, but I feel like most people who are 424 00:40:38,410 --> 00:40:43,590 aware of the lizard are so because of the awful Spider-Man movie, and it would just leave a bad 425 00:40:43,590 --> 00:40:47,670 taste in their mouth. They wouldn't vote for him. You might be right. I do feel like the Spider-Man 426 00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:53,710 movies undersold the lizard, but let's go ahead and see who won. AJ9K, the results, please. Here 427 00:40:53,710 --> 00:41:01,370 you are, sir. All right, the winner in the Duel matchup between animal man and the lizard is 428 00:41:01,370 --> 00:41:10,270 animal man, because he sucks, because he sucks. That's why he won. And it wasn't that close. Out of 429 00:41:10,270 --> 00:41:17,270 1000 simulated matches, animal man beat the lizard 68.6% of the time, whereas the lizard only 430 00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:23,930 won 31.4% of his matches. Not a strong showing, for as impressive as the lizard is statistically, he 431 00:41:23,930 --> 00:41:30,090 just, I guess, cannot compete with all the powers of the animal kingdom and also that bullshit alien 432 00:41:30,090 --> 00:41:37,190 power animal thing, whatever. Yeah, animal man is a pretty unique character. What about Vixen? He's 433 00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:42,170 more unique than Vixen. The dude met Grant Morrison. Grant Morrison is a bum. You know what? 434 00:41:42,170 --> 00:41:49,150 I'm just gonna say it. I'm sick of Grant Morrison and all of his weird ideas and dumb meta bullshit. 435 00:41:49,150 --> 00:41:54,030 Because of this match, I will forever no longer be a fan of his. I guess Batman and Deadpool met him 436 00:41:54,030 --> 00:41:59,750 recently too, which is so dumb. The guy has got to get over himself. He's just, he's got to get over 437 00:41:59,750 --> 00:42:08,970 himself. Fuck you, Jonathan. Why me? Just because. Let's go out and end this. That does it for 438 00:42:08,970 --> 00:42:16,730 this Duel guys. AJ9K, help close this out. Thanks for listening to Dynamic Duel. Visit the show's 439 00:42:16,730 --> 00:42:22,470 website at dynamicDuel.com and follow us on Instagram at Dynamic Duel podcast. Don't forget 440 00:42:22,470 --> 00:42:27,230 to listen to the other shows in the Dynamite podcast network, including Max Destruction, 441 00:42:27,230 --> 00:42:34,030 Senjoh World, and Konsole Kombat. All right, guys, like we said earlier, there's only two episodes of 442 00:42:34,030 --> 00:42:40,610 the podcast in its current format left, and these next two are huge. Like it does not get bigger. 443 00:42:40,610 --> 00:42:47,550 That's right, our next episode is going to be a duel between DC and Marvel. What does that mean? You'll 444 00:42:47,550 --> 00:42:52,970 have to tune in next week and find out. It's our last Duel episode. It's our last team Duel episode. So 445 00:42:52,970 --> 00:42:58,630 we're going out with a bang. It is the duel to end all duels. That does it for this episode, guys. Thanks 446 00:42:58,630 --> 00:43:03,610 again to our former executive producers, and we'll talk to you next week. Up up and away, true 447 00:43:03,610 --> believers. Partition level data corruption and who boy? Let me tell you that blockage is painful.