1 00:00:00,930 --> 00:00:02,957 This is a DynaMic Network podcast. 2 00:00:24,822 --> 00:00:30,567 the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly show where we review superhero films and debate the superiority 3 00:00:30,607 --> 00:00:36,412 between Marvel and DC by comparing their characters in stat-based battle simulations. I'm Johnny 4 00:00:36,452 --> 00:00:42,177 DC. And I'm his twin brother, Marvelous Joe. And in this episode, we are reviewing the latest 5 00:00:42,277 --> 00:00:48,078 Marvel Sony film to hit theaters, Venom, The Last Dance. Yeah, the franchise is part of 6 00:00:48,118 --> 00:00:52,461 the Sony Spider-Man universe, which has not been great. I would say that the Venom franchise 7 00:00:52,501 --> 00:00:57,044 is probably the best thing about it. But how did the latest Venom movie stack up compared 8 00:00:57,084 --> 00:01:01,426 to the rest of the films? We'll find out later on in this episode. Before that, we're going 9 00:01:01,446 --> 00:01:06,329 to break down the comic book movie news from the past week, of which we've got two Marvel 10 00:01:06,389 --> 00:01:11,072 news items. It's an all Marvel episode today. First, we have the set photos that reveal our 11 00:01:11,132 --> 00:01:16,789 first look at Spider-Man Noir. and the news that the MCU Blade film has lost its release 12 00:01:16,829 --> 00:01:21,113 date. As always, we list our segment times in our episode description, so feel free to check 13 00:01:21,133 --> 00:01:26,177 out the show notes if you want to skip ahead to a particular topic. Our artificially intelligent 14 00:01:26,217 --> 00:01:33,782 Duel simulator, AJ9K, has a quick message for our listeners, so listen up. Why hello there, 15 00:01:34,082 --> 00:01:38,404 do you want even more from this podcast? Then become a part of the dynamic Duel community 16 00:01:38,464 --> 00:01:43,246 on Patreon, where you can choose from three tiers. 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Guys, be sure to tune into the other shows on the DynaMic 24 00:02:20,323 --> 00:02:25,288 Podcast Network this week, including Max Destruction, which pits your favorite action heroes from 25 00:02:25,368 --> 00:02:29,991 film and television against each other. This week, hosts Scotty and Gilly are determining 26 00:02:30,031 --> 00:02:36,997 the winner between Poe from Kung Fu Panda and Fiona from Shrek. On the Senjou World Podcast, 27 00:02:37,317 --> 00:02:42,882 host Zachary Hepburn speculates on fights between fan favorite anime and manga characters. This 28 00:02:42,962 --> 00:02:48,282 Thursday, Zach will find out who will win between Tetsuo from Akira and Tatsuo from and Lucy 29 00:02:48,322 --> 00:02:56,944 Dictonius from Elfen Lied. You Elfen lied to me, bro. On the console combat podcast, hosts 30 00:02:56,984 --> 00:03:01,505 John and Dean simulate battles between popular video game characters. In yesterday's episode, 31 00:03:01,785 --> 00:03:05,967 they found out who would win in a fight between Freddy Fazbear from Five Nights at Freddy's 32 00:03:06,387 --> 00:03:12,268 and Willie Weasel from Willie's Wonderland. Visit dynamicpodcasts.com or click the link 33 00:03:12,308 --> 00:03:17,542 in our show notes to listen to all of the shows in the DynaMic Podcast Network. But with that 34 00:03:17,582 --> 00:03:24,023 out of the way, quick to the No Prize! A No Prize is an award Marvel used to give out to 35 00:03:24,043 --> 00:03:29,365 fans. Our version, the Dynamic Duel No Prize, is a digital award we post on Instagram for 36 00:03:29,385 --> 00:03:33,806 the person that we feel gave the best answer to our question of the week. Last week, we 37 00:03:33,866 --> 00:03:39,168 asked you guys, who do you think is the scariest Marvel or DC character and why? And we asked 38 00:03:39,188 --> 00:03:42,769 that because Halloween is coming up in a couple of days, and we got a lot of great answers 39 00:03:42,789 --> 00:03:46,009 from you guys. Let's go ahead and run down our honorable mentions as well as the No Prize 40 00:03:46,049 --> 00:03:52,532 winner. Our first honorable mention goes to Colby Hentges, who said, Hey, boys, Colby Hentges, 41 00:03:52,752 --> 00:03:58,875 the scariest character in Marvel or DC is Major Force. He will murder your girl and put her 42 00:03:58,915 --> 00:04:05,397 in a refrigerator. I don't want none of that. Yeah, Major Force is a evil version, I guess 43 00:04:05,417 --> 00:04:12,840 you could say, of the hero Captain Adam. He is notorious for killing Kyle Rayner's girlfriend 44 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:20,304 and then stuffing her in his fridge. which was just horrifying in the comics, completely unnecessarily 45 00:04:20,364 --> 00:04:25,767 violent. I could see where Major Force would be very scary for that reason. Yeah, Kyle Rayner 46 00:04:25,807 --> 00:04:29,349 is a Green Lantern, right? And I remember it was horrifying in the comic books because Kyle 47 00:04:29,369 --> 00:04:34,071 Rayner came home, not knowing where she was, opening up the refrigerator and then finding 48 00:04:34,111 --> 00:04:39,414 her there, which is something out of a slasher film, scary movie. That is absolutely horrifying. 49 00:04:39,434 --> 00:04:44,177 I remember my first exposure to that was in the Green Lantern Fears Itself comic book, 50 00:04:46,114 --> 00:04:52,419 graphic novel and there was a painted rendition of his girlfriend in the fridge. And I remember 51 00:04:52,439 --> 00:04:55,802 just being like, what the fuck is this? Cause I had no context and it just seemed horribly 52 00:04:55,842 --> 00:05:00,185 violent and scary to me. So yeah, I thought this was a pretty good answer. Yeah, it's the 53 00:05:00,245 --> 00:05:06,210 event that coined the term fridging that's known in the comic world. Yeah, it has a negative 54 00:05:06,250 --> 00:05:12,615 connotation where writers will use love interests deaths, primarily as plot devices for the protagonists, 55 00:05:12,695 --> 00:05:16,642 you know, and not really treating them like real characters. It's a shallow move to say 56 00:05:16,662 --> 00:05:21,587 the least, but in this instance here, it was a particularly scary one. Great answer, Colby. 57 00:05:21,747 --> 00:05:28,773 Our next honorable mention goes to Cyrus Moore, who said, Hey guys, Cyrus Moore here. And I 58 00:05:28,813 --> 00:05:36,379 think I'm going to butcher this last name, but I think Victor Zaz, the Batman villain, is 59 00:05:36,499 --> 00:05:43,525 probably the scariest DC villain of all time. I mean, serial killer who kills people that 60 00:05:43,585 --> 00:05:48,797 tallies. how many kills he has on his body, just a real creepy character, creepy backstory. 61 00:05:49,518 --> 00:05:55,123 I think he's definitely the scariest. Yeah, we've seen Victor Zazz appear in quite a few 62 00:05:55,263 --> 00:06:00,728 films outside of the comics. He was in Batman Begins, he was in Birds of Prey, he was in 63 00:06:00,768 --> 00:06:05,953 the Gotham television series. But yeah, the dude's fairly creepy in that he's probably 64 00:06:06,273 --> 00:06:12,582 the least fantastical Batman villain in that he's just a serial killer who... carves a tally 65 00:06:12,602 --> 00:06:17,784 mark into his skin for each kill that he's had and his body is covered in tally marks. Yeah, 66 00:06:17,824 --> 00:06:22,826 I've seen versions of the character in the comics where his tally marks are kind of sparse along 67 00:06:22,866 --> 00:06:27,528 his body, but I've also seen renditions where they like cover almost his entire body and 68 00:06:27,548 --> 00:06:31,770 they're across his forehead and his back and everything like that and it just makes me wonder 69 00:06:31,810 --> 00:06:36,172 like what does he do when he runs out of room? I don't know. Just stretch that scrot. 70 00:06:41,602 --> 00:06:48,687 That's a horrifying visual. So yeah, a particularly scary response to a scary question. Great answer, 71 00:06:48,747 --> 00:06:54,752 Cyrus. Our next honorable mention goes to Mason Thompson, who said, I hate scary things. I'm 72 00:06:54,772 --> 00:06:59,977 gonna be straight up. I hate scary things. Why do you wanna be scared of something? Tell me, 73 00:07:00,057 --> 00:07:05,201 why do you wanna be scared of something? We could go off like auras and stuff, but like, 74 00:07:06,662 --> 00:07:15,092 if we're talking base looks, I'm going upside down, man, from DC it oh I do not like it it's 75 00:07:15,112 --> 00:07:21,455 terrifying it's get out get out of my face so yeah the upside down man was a villain that 76 00:07:21,616 --> 00:07:27,639 Wonder Woman's version of the Justice League dark faced in the comics dude is super creepy 77 00:07:27,999 --> 00:07:35,143 he's all white he has no face except for a mouth like where his eyes should be it's a disturbing 78 00:07:35,264 --> 00:07:38,365 look you know it's almost like something out of like stranger things or something like that 79 00:07:38,385 --> 00:07:44,835 you know So yeah, a relatively new and obscure character, but definitely creepy. To answer 80 00:07:44,895 --> 00:07:49,616 Mason Thompson's question, the reason we like to be scared, people who like horror films, 81 00:07:50,116 --> 00:07:56,858 is because it gives you an adrenaline rush and kind of amps you up mentally to, I think, better 82 00:07:56,918 --> 00:08:01,640 prepare the horrors that are out there in the real world. Like, if you watch, like, Paranormal 83 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:06,561 Activity, you will be prepared when you're walking through your house at night and you hear a 84 00:08:06,581 --> 00:08:09,942 loud creak or something like that. You're gonna be like, you know what? I've already mentally 85 00:08:10,042 --> 00:08:14,545 gone through this, so I'm not afraid. Yeah, you will be ready for that shit. Right, so 86 00:08:14,885 --> 00:08:19,768 it just helps you to be brave. If you can handle a fictional scenario that you're watching, 87 00:08:19,968 --> 00:08:24,851 you might just do better in the real world. I think that's the appeal. That said, I also 88 00:08:24,891 --> 00:08:29,454 hate scary things, and I refuse to watch them. I love scary things. I watched a lot of great 89 00:08:29,494 --> 00:08:33,836 horror movies this Halloween season. And I also feel like you have more nightmares than me. 90 00:08:33,956 --> 00:08:38,610 I don't though, because I'm not a wuss. Just man up and watch it follows already, like I 91 00:08:38,650 --> 00:08:43,513 told you to a thousand times. Hey, hey, I will when I'm getting ready. I just don't wanna 92 00:08:43,533 --> 00:08:46,854 be like recording down here in my basement, then all of a sudden like, I turn around and 93 00:08:46,874 --> 00:08:51,356 there's like someone right there. That's why I tell you, you have to watch it. No, I'm good. 94 00:08:51,376 --> 00:08:57,519 So you can be prepared for when that happens. So great answer Mason Thompson. We wanna give 95 00:08:57,759 --> 00:09:02,041 a quick shout out to Daniel Alonso and Michael Williams for taking the time to visit our site 96 00:09:02,421 --> 00:09:06,026 and record your answers. We really appreciate it. But the winner of this week's snow prize 97 00:09:06,186 --> 00:09:12,030 is Travis Herndon, who said, What's up dynamic dudes? Travis here. Shout out to my evil twin. 98 00:09:12,070 --> 00:09:17,733 So my answer had to be no. I mean, look at him. He looks like if you get any from Iron Maiden 99 00:09:17,773 --> 00:09:22,035 and Freddy Cougar together, and this is their love child. This dude is creepy. Yeah. You 100 00:09:22,055 --> 00:09:26,798 can say, well, venom is scary or carnage is scary, but hey, we wouldn't have those two 101 00:09:26,818 --> 00:09:32,741 without this lanky ass creepy motherfucker. I'd be more terrified of him than those two 102 00:09:32,801 --> 00:09:37,707 any day of the week. What an appropriately timed answer for this Venom the Last Dance review. 103 00:09:38,227 --> 00:09:44,208 Null, the eldritch god of darkness in the Marvel Universe, is creepy as fuck. You know, he's 104 00:09:44,348 --> 00:09:50,110 all white, he has long white hair, black eyes, except for the red spots, and his smile goes 105 00:09:50,230 --> 00:09:55,852 all the way almost up to his ears, and a mouthful of sharp teeth. Dude is intimidating not just 106 00:09:55,872 --> 00:10:01,073 because of how he looks though, but also because of what he says and what he does. You know, 107 00:10:01,133 --> 00:10:06,916 the guy has the feats. to back up his claims and when he says like, you will drown in a 108 00:10:06,956 --> 00:10:11,880 sea of gnashing teeth and as your limbs are ripped from your body, your blood will drench 109 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,382 the darkness or some shit like that. You know, everything he says is like a lyric to a death 110 00:10:15,402 --> 00:10:21,787 metal song. I'm not too familiar with Null from the comics, I'm not gonna lie. But spoiler 111 00:10:21,827 --> 00:10:28,672 alert, we are doing a duel between him and the White Lantern Kyle Rayner in our next episode. 112 00:10:28,732 --> 00:10:32,586 Yeah, that'll be a fun one. So stick around for that next week. Great answer, Travis, you 113 00:10:32,606 --> 00:10:36,909 win this week's No Prize if you the listener want a shot at winning your own No Prize. Stay 114 00:10:36,949 --> 00:10:41,191 tuned to later on in this episode when we will be asking another question of the week. And 115 00:10:41,211 --> 00:10:51,398 now that that's done, onto the news! Alright, this past week we got our first look at Spider-Man 116 00:10:51,438 --> 00:10:57,461 Noir from the upcoming Amazon television series titled Spider-Noir that's being produced by 117 00:10:57,601 --> 00:11:02,413 Sony. and it's starring Nicolas Cage and it was quite the surprise when the show was announced. 118 00:11:02,433 --> 00:11:07,156 I thought it was really nice that they cast the same actor who voiced the character in 119 00:11:07,236 --> 00:11:11,380 the Into the Spider-Verse film. I was really looking forward to seeing how this was going 120 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:15,863 to turn out. I'll admit that I didn't have the highest of expectations when it came to things 121 00:11:15,883 --> 00:11:21,688 like the costume, but boy was I wrong because the set photos that we got that were released 122 00:11:21,708 --> 00:11:27,852 by TMZ look fantastic. The character design is straight out of the Into the Spider-Verse 123 00:11:27,912 --> 00:11:32,935 movie in that he has the fedora because in the comics he doesn't really wear the fedora, although 124 00:11:32,955 --> 00:11:36,458 I think they brought that on later on when they saw how good it looked in the animated movie. 125 00:11:36,938 --> 00:11:41,901 But he's got the trench coat on here. We see him like riding on top of a 1930s era car because 126 00:11:41,921 --> 00:11:45,924 the series is set during the Great Depression and we even see him like shooting out his hand 127 00:11:45,964 --> 00:11:50,927 to fire a web and it all looks fantastic. It's the stunt double on top of the car, most likely 128 00:11:51,027 --> 00:11:55,890 not Nicolas Cage, but things are shaping up pretty well. for the Spider and War series. 129 00:11:56,290 --> 00:12:00,511 Do we know that for sure? Cause I know Nicolas Cage does a lot of his own stunt driving. Well, 130 00:12:00,571 --> 00:12:05,753 he's not driving. He's standing on top of a car. Same thing. No, I'm pretty sure it's a 131 00:12:05,813 --> 00:12:09,394 stunt double. The way he's crouched and everything like that just make it more plausible that 132 00:12:09,434 --> 00:12:15,635 it's the stunt double. Though we have seen Nicolas Cage in the costume sans his mask. And I thought 133 00:12:15,655 --> 00:12:19,597 he looked pretty cool. I mean, the costume is very basic. It's all black with a black trench 134 00:12:19,617 --> 00:12:24,950 coat, but not gonna lie, that's still kind of cool. Well, The costume is his Uncle Ben's 135 00:12:25,090 --> 00:12:30,111 World War I Airman uniform. Oh, that's cool. With a trench coat on top of that. So that's 136 00:12:30,131 --> 00:12:35,213 pretty cool. As we discussed on this podcast earlier, they did make some changes to the 137 00:12:35,253 --> 00:12:40,074 Spider-Man Noir story in that this is gonna be Ben Reilly instead of Peter Parker, who 138 00:12:40,134 --> 00:12:43,455 in the comic books is actually a clone of Peter Parker, but I don't think he's gonna be a clone 139 00:12:43,515 --> 00:12:49,357 here. He's just named Ben Reilly in this particular universe. Yeah, I'm guessing Kevin Feige from 140 00:12:49,657 --> 00:12:54,696 Marvel Studios made them do that. I'm actually surprised to hear that this is on Amazon Prime. 141 00:12:54,876 --> 00:12:59,801 I thought it was going to be on Disney Plus. No, Amazon Prime. Interesting. It's going to 142 00:12:59,821 --> 00:13:03,524 be a crime show, although I believe it's also going to have some supernatural elements to 143 00:13:03,544 --> 00:13:07,728 it. So if it's done like in the vein of something like Batman, the doom that came to Gotham or 144 00:13:07,748 --> 00:13:12,532 something like that, I think that'd be pretty cool. You wish. If it was only half as cool, 145 00:13:12,552 --> 00:13:17,236 you'd enjoy it. That's true. That's true. But with this first look at his costume release, 146 00:13:17,256 --> 00:13:21,534 I'm really looking forward to seeing what else we get. from this series. We don't have a release 147 00:13:21,574 --> 00:13:26,536 date yet, I believe, but I'm already eagerly anticipating it. Yeah, you have to imagine 148 00:13:26,576 --> 00:13:32,659 it's going to come out sometime next year. Yeah, probably late next year or early 2026 is my 149 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:37,901 guess. Speaking of release dates though, we got the really sucky news this past week that 150 00:13:38,081 --> 00:13:43,744 Blade has been removed from its 2025 release date that was set to be next November. It is 151 00:13:43,784 --> 00:13:47,365 sucky news, I guess it's not really surprising news considering that if they wanted to make 152 00:13:47,405 --> 00:13:52,329 that release date, They would have already probably started shooting and we definitely would have 153 00:13:52,349 --> 00:13:57,433 had a new director by this point, ever since Yann Demange left the project. Now this doesn't 154 00:13:57,453 --> 00:14:02,237 mean that the movie is cancelled, it's just been delayed. And Marvel has picked up like 155 00:14:02,297 --> 00:14:07,721 three new release dates going into 2028 I believe, so it's entirely possible that they're just 156 00:14:07,742 --> 00:14:12,626 choosing to sit on the Blade movie until they have you know, the right script and the right 157 00:14:12,646 --> 00:14:18,534 director for the project. I'm just wondering why this keeps happening to this movie. I don't 158 00:14:18,554 --> 00:14:23,615 know. Is it really that hard to crack a good Blade story? Because I feel like we've done 159 00:14:23,635 --> 00:14:28,977 it at least three times already. You mean the first three Blade movies? Yeah. I mean, I would 160 00:14:28,997 --> 00:14:33,818 not count Blade Trinity as a good Blade story. They at least gotta make sure they do better 161 00:14:33,858 --> 00:14:39,660 than that with this reboot. Yeah, but that film had problems outside of just the story. And 162 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:44,221 I feel like the problem that this new movie keeps running into is that they can't agree 163 00:14:44,281 --> 00:14:50,361 on what the story is creatively. Yeah, maybe. I mean, reports say that the previous scripts 164 00:14:50,381 --> 00:14:55,705 that were submitted had Blade as not the main character, and he was more of like a side character 165 00:14:55,745 --> 00:15:00,570 in his own film, which didn't make sense, so something is not quite going right from the 166 00:15:00,590 --> 00:15:06,094 conception phase, I think. But I am really excited to see Mahershala Ali as the Blade character. 167 00:15:06,134 --> 00:15:10,142 I know that a lot of people are hoping that Wesley Snipes comes back into the role. I think 168 00:15:10,182 --> 00:15:13,924 that's just wishful thinking. I think he's kind of aged out of it by this point. And I thought 169 00:15:13,944 --> 00:15:18,547 they gave him a pretty decent sendoff in the Deadpool and Wolverine film. There's only been 170 00:15:18,627 --> 00:15:24,651 one Blade. There's only ever gonna be one Blade. I really like Mahershala Ali as an actor. And 171 00:15:24,991 --> 00:15:29,554 I just think he'd be fantastic in the role. So here's hoping they kind of crack that story 172 00:15:30,034 --> 00:15:35,017 and this Blade movie could pick up a release date in 2026 or 2027 or something like that. 173 00:15:35,262 --> 00:15:39,446 It's interesting that you're saying that he was written into stories where he wasn't the 174 00:15:39,586 --> 00:15:45,431 main character, even though he's the title character supposedly, because I'm seeing current rumors 175 00:15:45,552 --> 00:15:50,977 that they may just skip the Blade movie and skip straight to a Midnight Suns film. Yeah, 176 00:15:50,997 --> 00:15:54,701 that's one of the rumors that's going around. I really hope that's not the case. I think 177 00:15:54,761 --> 00:15:59,585 that would be an instance of Marvel pulling a DC, which they definitely don't want to do. 178 00:16:00,118 --> 00:16:03,960 And I say that because, you know, they threw together the Justice League movie without giving 179 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:08,122 all the characters on the team their own films, which I think was a mistake. They should do 180 00:16:08,162 --> 00:16:12,265 it the Marvel way, like they did with the Avengers, where the characters had their own films leading 181 00:16:12,305 --> 00:16:16,868 up to the movie. You know what they should do? Just give each of the Midnight Sun characters 182 00:16:17,048 --> 00:16:22,291 their own special presentation, like holiday type film. Just do that. Like you don't need 183 00:16:22,331 --> 00:16:26,713 to do a full feature length thing. Just do a short and then have the Midnight Sun's movie. 184 00:16:27,242 --> 00:16:30,786 I wouldn't hate that. I mean, they gave a special presentation to Werewolf by Night, which I 185 00:16:30,806 --> 00:16:35,151 thought was really solid. I had a lot of fun with that one. So, I would not be unhappy with 186 00:16:35,171 --> 00:16:40,256 that. But as we mentioned earlier, like, Blade fights vampires, right? Just make a movie about 187 00:16:40,316 --> 00:16:45,542 that. Make it interesting. It shouldn't be that hard to figure this story out. And with that 188 00:16:45,582 --> 00:16:47,565 in mind, that brings us to our question of the week. 189 00:16:51,970 --> 00:16:57,352 Give us your best 30 second film pitch for the MCU's Blade movie. Now we're looking for you 190 00:16:57,392 --> 00:17:02,494 fan fiction writers out there to dig deep and give us a quick pitch of what basically the 191 00:17:02,554 --> 00:17:07,796 plot is for what you think the MCU's Blade movie should be. Record your answer at dynamicduel.com 192 00:17:08,276 --> 00:17:11,958 by clicking on the red microphone button in the bottom right hand corner of the screen, 193 00:17:12,238 --> 00:17:16,560 which will prompt you to leave us a voicemail. Your message could be up to 30 seconds long, 194 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,934 and don't forget to leave your name in case we include you on the podcast. We'll pick our 195 00:17:20,994 --> 00:17:25,843 favorite answer and award that person a dynamic Duel no prize that we'll post to Instagram. 196 00:17:26,224 --> 00:17:28,989 Be sure to answer before November 2nd. 197 00:17:36,418 --> 00:17:40,082 That does it for all of the news for this episode. Now let's go ahead and move on to the main 198 00:17:40,122 --> 00:17:47,049 event where we review the latest Sony Spider-Man universe film Venom, The Last Dance. 199 00:18:03,242 --> 00:18:08,205 Alright, Venom The Last Dance was written and directed by Kelly Marcel and stars Tom Hardy, 200 00:18:08,645 --> 00:18:14,870 Chiwetel Ejiofor, and Juno Temple. Director Kelly Marcel also wrote the first two installments 201 00:18:14,890 --> 00:18:20,214 of the Venom franchise and took over as director for this latest go-round, which I kind of thought 202 00:18:20,234 --> 00:18:24,417 was interesting because I found it probably the best directed installment of the bunch. 203 00:18:24,937 --> 00:18:30,000 Yeah, it definitely felt like the most cohesive in regards to both the direction and the writing. 204 00:18:30,441 --> 00:18:35,055 Yeah, it kind of felt- more like an MCU film than the previous two installments did, right? 205 00:18:35,215 --> 00:18:38,797 Yeah, I can see that. I was kind of dreading this movie, especially after the lackluster 206 00:18:38,817 --> 00:18:43,239 film before this, Venom Let There Be Carnage, which we gave two and a half stars. But with 207 00:18:43,259 --> 00:18:49,642 Venom The Last Dance, I found myself not thrilled with the movie, but satisfied in a way that 208 00:18:49,662 --> 00:18:53,124 I wasn't with the last one, because I had some fun with this film, kind of like the first 209 00:18:53,164 --> 00:18:57,799 movie. There's some cool action, some humor that lands. and some good character beats. 210 00:18:57,919 --> 00:19:03,042 So if you haven't seen Venom the Last Ants and plan to, listen no further because this is 211 00:19:03,102 --> 00:19:07,726 a spoiler review. My biggest gripe with the second film, Let There Be Carnage, was that 212 00:19:07,826 --> 00:19:13,670 Venom was reduced to a caricature of himself and the movie leaned a little bit too far into 213 00:19:13,710 --> 00:19:19,582 his goofy side as a means of subverting this scary looking monster. And that really doesn't 214 00:19:19,602 --> 00:19:24,845 change here too much with this movie. We do have, you know, Venom making margaritas, singing 215 00:19:24,865 --> 00:19:30,528 to David Bowie, and dancing to ABBA. As fucking ridiculous as that can be for fans of the comic 216 00:19:30,548 --> 00:19:36,510 book character, The Last Stance at least has one thing going for it over Let There Be Carnage, 217 00:19:36,530 --> 00:19:41,233 and that's that this third film actually has good stakes. You know, there's an actual feeling 218 00:19:41,293 --> 00:19:46,925 of danger to the proceedings. And the movie actually had balls to sacrifice the title character, 219 00:19:47,125 --> 00:19:51,689 I think, in a way that felt meaningful. And I can respect that. And I actually thought 220 00:19:51,809 --> 00:19:57,474 that those stakes helped offset some of the goofiness that we see here. Because, you know, 221 00:19:57,634 --> 00:20:02,979 this film had the potential to be pretty dark otherwise. Yeah, it has pretty dark themes, 222 00:20:03,139 --> 00:20:07,222 right? There's oftentimes throughout the film where Venom's kind of talking about how things 223 00:20:07,262 --> 00:20:12,030 would be better for Eddie, maybe, if the two were separate. But... that you don't really 224 00:20:12,111 --> 00:20:17,095 want to be separate. So then it kind of has this ominous foreshadowing that kind of hangs 225 00:20:17,215 --> 00:20:21,899 over the entire film, I would say. Yeah, and in that sense, the humor and the jokes that 226 00:20:21,939 --> 00:20:27,064 were at play here actually had purpose, unlike the second movie where the jokes were mainly 227 00:20:27,104 --> 00:20:32,209 just for shits and giggles. Because we all know that Carnage wasn't nearly as menacing as he 228 00:20:32,249 --> 00:20:36,192 could and should have been. But things like, you know, Venom's instant addiction to gambling, 229 00:20:36,373 --> 00:20:41,095 the symbiote horse... Those things just worked for me in this movie in a way that they didn't 230 00:20:41,315 --> 00:20:45,838 in the second film. I'll say that Venom 3 has the greatest amount of spectacle too out of 231 00:20:45,858 --> 00:20:50,460 all the films. All the action beats I thought were on point including the fight in the dog 232 00:20:50,500 --> 00:20:55,703 pit, the airplane fight, the river chase. That fucking fight at the end of the movie at the 233 00:20:55,743 --> 00:21:01,906 Empyrean base at Area 51, holy shit man. Like seeing all those multiple symbiotes. and how 234 00:21:01,946 --> 00:21:06,669 they each have their own fighting style going up against some of the most impressive movie 235 00:21:06,709 --> 00:21:12,354 monsters I've seen in a long time, the Xenophages. That shit was badass. Dude, I want to see a 236 00:21:12,434 --> 00:21:18,198 Xenophage go up against a Xenomorph Queen on Max Destruction. The Kamacho twins have to 237 00:21:18,238 --> 00:21:23,102 do that battle. That would be pretty cool. I mean, the Xenophages move pretty well though, 238 00:21:23,162 --> 00:21:27,545 like whether it's through the air with their super leaping ability or running on the ground. 239 00:21:28,134 --> 00:21:34,338 and their fucking woodchipper heads, right? When I saw them devour one of the Imperium 240 00:21:34,378 --> 00:21:37,881 soldiers and like basically all of his blood and guts shot out the back of the creature's 241 00:21:37,901 --> 00:21:42,364 head, my jaw dropped. And I was like, what the fuck did I just see? I've never seen anything 242 00:21:42,404 --> 00:21:48,429 like that in a monster movie. So just when you think you've seen it all, Venom III has some 243 00:21:48,469 --> 00:21:53,372 surprises up its sleeve. Are the xenophages from the comics? They are, yeah. They're not 244 00:21:53,392 --> 00:22:00,464 creations of null. but they are natural alien predators of the symbiotes. Gotcha. Really 245 00:22:00,504 --> 00:22:05,166 what the xenophages should be, and fans of the comic books will know this, they should have 246 00:22:05,186 --> 00:22:11,368 been symbiote dragons. Those are the eldritch creatures that Null has created, and symbiote 247 00:22:11,409 --> 00:22:15,570 dragons have the ability to kind of spew out symbiotes of their own. And that would have 248 00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:18,892 been cool to see here, but I can understand why they went with the xenophages, because 249 00:22:18,932 --> 00:22:24,798 if you start introducing dragons into the Venom franchise, then things kind of start feeling 250 00:22:24,838 --> 00:22:30,720 a little bit fantasy based and you want to keep things kind of alien and monstrous. But it 251 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:35,221 would have been cool to see Grendel in this movie, who is one of Null's first symbiote 252 00:22:35,241 --> 00:22:40,903 dragons that got trapped thousands of years ago on Earth. Hmm. That shit went entirely 253 00:22:40,983 --> 00:22:45,864 over my head, but it sounds cool. And you have to imagine that maybe we'll get to see that 254 00:22:45,884 --> 00:22:50,775 in future installments within Sony's Spider-Man universe. Yeah, and I'm glad you brought that 255 00:22:50,815 --> 00:22:55,459 up because it is really hard to know what to think about this movie at the end of it in 256 00:22:55,519 --> 00:23:00,343 regards to future installments for Sony's Spider-Man universe. Now, this is supposed to be the last 257 00:23:00,483 --> 00:23:07,049 time we see Tom Hardy suited up as Venom and as Eddie Brock. And yet the movie set up so 258 00:23:07,089 --> 00:23:12,875 many cool threads that we're not sure will ever be picked up in future installments. And you 259 00:23:12,915 --> 00:23:17,746 might even call them plot holes in this sense, but things like Null. Things like the shadowy 260 00:23:17,846 --> 00:23:23,307 organization behind Imperium. Things like that, you know? What's gonna happen there? Is Sony's 261 00:23:23,347 --> 00:23:29,149 Spider-Man universe gonna continue or is it going to falter? Who knows? Ideally, the best 262 00:23:29,189 --> 00:23:34,311 case scenario is that Spider-Man 4 involves the character of Venom and they pick up a lot 263 00:23:34,351 --> 00:23:39,372 of these dangling threads. In that regard, I hope the movie actually does really well at 264 00:23:39,392 --> 00:23:44,013 the box office, because it would be nice to have that best case scenario happen, essentially. 265 00:23:44,502 --> 00:23:50,203 Yeah, I feel like a lot of people have been speculating that Noah will be a part of Spider-Man 266 00:23:50,243 --> 00:23:55,365 4. And I think Marvel Studios has been hesitant to confirm that. I think they're waiting to 267 00:23:55,425 --> 00:24:01,947 see how well this Venom movie does. So if you do want to see Venom in Spider-Man 4, the more 268 00:24:01,967 --> 00:24:07,229 people that see this last Venom movie, the better. Yeah, in theaters too. I think that would be 269 00:24:07,249 --> 00:24:10,578 best for everybody. Because, you know, it's worth seeing on the big screen, I think. There 270 00:24:10,598 --> 00:24:14,559 are some pretty solid visual effects here. I think the visual effects for the symbiotes 271 00:24:15,020 --> 00:24:21,322 are better also than the previous two installments. So I accidentally saw this movie in 3D, like 272 00:24:21,342 --> 00:24:26,783 I got my tickets and they're like, oh, here's your 3D glasses. And I was like, what? Gosh, 273 00:24:26,923 --> 00:24:32,005 dang it. And it was like the last showing of the night. So I was like, whatever. But it 274 00:24:32,025 --> 00:24:36,447 wasn't terrible, actually. I could think off the top of my head of some pretty cool scenes 275 00:24:36,467 --> 00:24:42,049 that I think would have been cool in 3D, like the airplane scene. Yes. Like when Venom's 276 00:24:42,069 --> 00:24:46,691 floating head is talking to Eddie, things like that. There were definitely some shots that 277 00:24:46,731 --> 00:24:52,473 they did that I felt like were tailor made for 3D, where it's like, okay, yeah, that was totally 278 00:24:52,533 --> 00:24:56,335 meant for me to like, trying to reach out and touch it. And actually, my daughter who saw 279 00:24:56,355 --> 00:25:02,870 the film with me did exactly that. That's cool. I bet you Lasher was really cool in 3D. with 280 00:25:02,910 --> 00:25:08,572 her tentacles. Oh yeah, all of the symbiotes were really cool in 3D. Nice. Now you mentioned 281 00:25:08,592 --> 00:25:12,814 before that the plot threads might be plot holes. I don't think that's the case. I definitely 282 00:25:12,834 --> 00:25:16,155 think they're plot threads that could be picked up in another film so I don't fault them for 283 00:25:16,195 --> 00:25:23,818 that. That said, I do think this film has plot holes such as how the hell did Venom know that 284 00:25:23,918 --> 00:25:29,140 Area 51 had this like acid shower bath thing? That's a great question. He wouldn't have known. 285 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:35,711 Yeah. It made for a dramatic death scene though. Like I felt really bad for Venom actually, 286 00:25:36,152 --> 00:25:40,935 you know, seeing this character that we've grown to know and love over the course of three films 287 00:25:41,395 --> 00:25:46,078 die in such a horribly painful and tragic way. I think it was hard for Eddie to watch, too. 288 00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:52,042 And I guess some other things that aren't quite plot holes, but are just kind of weird is like 289 00:25:52,423 --> 00:25:59,688 what was up with Dr. Payne's whole backstory and, you know. Dude, I get into that. Okay. 290 00:25:59,708 --> 00:26:04,394 That whole fucking thing was so bizarre. We'll get there though in the character breakdown. 291 00:26:04,894 --> 00:26:09,015 Speaking of which, let's go ahead and do that now. First, let's talk about Venom slash Eddie 292 00:26:09,035 --> 00:26:14,817 Brock, played by Tom Hardy. You know, if this is the last time we ever see Tom Hardy as the 293 00:26:14,857 --> 00:26:19,698 character of Eddie Brock, which I hope it's not, I want to say that Tom Hardy's performance 294 00:26:19,718 --> 00:26:23,819 should go down as one of the most technically brilliant physical performances ever committed 295 00:26:23,859 --> 00:26:29,501 to the screen. Even if there's like some probably speed ramping involved, I think his movements 296 00:26:29,661 --> 00:26:35,573 when Venom is in control make it actually seem as if they're involuntary, as if he has strings 297 00:26:35,593 --> 00:26:39,777 that are being pulled like a puppet. I think a lot of people might wonder why such a gifted 298 00:26:39,817 --> 00:26:45,421 performance on par with Charlie Chaplin or Peter Sellers would be wasted on a franchise as goofy 299 00:26:45,441 --> 00:26:51,367 as Venom. But you know what? I still respect it. For my money, there was no other actor 300 00:26:51,387 --> 00:26:56,751 better suited to the role of Eddie Brock. So again, let's just make sure that he either 301 00:26:56,811 --> 00:27:01,714 returns in Spider-Man 4 or maybe even in the MCU. I do agree that it was a great physical 302 00:27:01,754 --> 00:27:07,196 performance, but I had the same problem with Tom Hardy's acting in this film as I have in 303 00:27:07,277 --> 00:27:12,259 previous Venom films, and that is he kind of mumbles a lot. And also it's really hard to 304 00:27:12,299 --> 00:27:17,141 understand his Venom voice in some instances. I noticed that here too. Like I understood 305 00:27:17,201 --> 00:27:22,163 it, but then I was thinking, man, I hope other people got that because that was kind of an 306 00:27:22,183 --> 00:27:27,065 important plot point that Venom just stated when he was giving like exposition regarding 307 00:27:27,105 --> 00:27:31,786 the character of Null and the codex and things like that. Yeah, I understood everything. For 308 00:27:31,806 --> 00:27:36,228 the most part, Venom was saying regarding exposition. That said, as I'm sure we'll get into later, 309 00:27:36,588 --> 00:27:41,050 the exposition in this film is kind of terrible. I can see where you can make that point. The 310 00:27:41,090 --> 00:27:46,292 dialogue was not great in this movie, especially between Rex Strickland and Teddy Payne. Yeah. 311 00:27:46,312 --> 00:27:52,135 How they're like commenting, I'm like, oh, here we are now in the Imperium headquarters beneath 312 00:27:52,255 --> 00:27:57,577 Area 51. You know, it's just, it's too obvious. Right? It's like, what? What are you guys doing? 313 00:27:58,017 --> 00:28:02,805 Yeah. Is this your first time here? What's going on? Yeah, like talk like normal people, right? 314 00:28:02,885 --> 00:28:09,149 Exactly. Story-wise, Eddie's prime motivation was to go to New York, which really didn't 315 00:28:09,449 --> 00:28:13,772 work for me because he was going there because he had dirt on a judge and wanted to blackmail 316 00:28:13,792 --> 00:28:18,255 them into clearing his name. Like, how does that remotely seem like a good idea? I will 317 00:28:18,275 --> 00:28:22,598 grant him that the character was drunk when he had the idea, but still, like, blackmailing 318 00:28:22,618 --> 00:28:25,961 a judge, you know, committing a crime doesn't seem like a great way to exonerate yourself 319 00:28:26,021 --> 00:28:30,684 of other crimes. It just seems like a good way to rack up more charges, honestly. And honestly, 320 00:28:30,744 --> 00:28:35,207 like if you're going to do something like that, wouldn't it be simpler just to, you know, threaten 321 00:28:35,227 --> 00:28:40,671 the prosecuting attorney or like the case judge or something like that? Yeah, I guess that's 322 00:28:40,851 --> 00:28:45,935 true. I'll say that there were some great character moments for Eddie. I was genuinely moved in 323 00:28:45,975 --> 00:28:52,559 the camper scene with the Moon family when Venom was commenting on how it would have been nice 324 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:57,214 to have a family and how Eddie would have made a great dad. Those scenes with the kid were 325 00:28:57,475 --> 00:29:02,297 a great and kind of tragic peek into what could have been for Eddie Brock. And of course, you 326 00:29:02,317 --> 00:29:07,140 know, the sacrifice at the end was also really touching as Eddie sees this creature that he 327 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:12,844 didn't always get along with but had over time really connected to die in this really painful 328 00:29:12,884 --> 00:29:19,327 way. And like seeing Eddie remember his and Venom's moments together across the franchise 329 00:29:19,467 --> 00:29:24,419 was also a nice touch as he was at the Statue of Liberty. I choked up a bit. Yeah, no kidding. 330 00:29:24,459 --> 00:29:30,126 There was a kid who was straight up balling in my theater at the end of this movie. Oh, 331 00:29:30,186 --> 00:29:35,673 dang. He was crying from the time Venom was killing himself all the way to when Eddie was 332 00:29:35,793 --> 00:29:40,940 looking at the Statue of Liberty. I was like, calm down, kid. Poor kid. Not only is this 333 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:47,006 a movie, he was an alien. You know, like as much as you don't want to see Venom and Eddie 334 00:29:47,426 --> 00:29:53,228 be separated, I think the movie did do a nice job of signaling that it was time. You know, 335 00:29:53,828 --> 00:29:58,629 Eddie looked worn, he looked tired, he definitely signaled that he was dealing with a lot like 336 00:29:58,649 --> 00:30:03,051 when he killed the Imperium soldier in the river. It kind of made the loss of Venom a little 337 00:30:03,071 --> 00:30:07,412 bit more acceptable, I think, just because it kind of felt like it was that time. But you 338 00:30:07,432 --> 00:30:12,053 know, I expect we'll see Venom back before long, hopefully. Let's go ahead and move on to Commander 339 00:30:12,153 --> 00:30:19,741 Rex Strickland. who was played by Chiwetel Eziofor. Eziofor is a better actor than what the script 340 00:30:19,901 --> 00:30:26,005 gave him. There wasn't nearly enough for him to do for an actor of his caliber. And I kind 341 00:30:26,025 --> 00:30:31,008 of feel bad that he just came across as kind of a generic angry military guy. I kind of 342 00:30:31,028 --> 00:30:35,911 felt like this was a paycheck for a number of actors who appeared in the film. That said, 343 00:30:36,151 --> 00:30:41,642 they didn't do a bad job. They made the most somewhat of what was on the page. It just felt 344 00:30:41,662 --> 00:30:46,527 like, why are you in this movie? Why are you even accepting these lines? You're better than 345 00:30:46,567 --> 00:30:51,872 this. It's really strange, though, particularly what she would tell Ejio for because his character, 346 00:30:51,952 --> 00:30:56,897 Rex Strickland, is actually kind of a major character in the King of Black storyline. In 347 00:30:56,917 --> 00:31:03,023 the comics, Rex Strickland was a soldier in Vietnam who was given an ancient symbiote found 348 00:31:03,063 --> 00:31:08,066 on Earth by S.H.I.E.L.D. in order to become a super soldier. and he helped Eddie out when 349 00:31:08,146 --> 00:31:12,468 his mind was stuck in the symbiote hive mind in the King and Black story arc. And I kept 350 00:31:12,508 --> 00:31:17,210 thinking that at some point, Rex was going to bond with the symbiote and we were going to 351 00:31:17,230 --> 00:31:22,052 get to see the Tyrannosaurus symbiote, but that just never happened. Like at the end fight 352 00:31:22,092 --> 00:31:27,394 scene against the xenophages, a symbiote should have bonded with Rex. And I was kind of really 353 00:31:27,434 --> 00:31:31,736 confused when that didn't happen. It makes me wonder why they bothered making this military 354 00:31:31,776 --> 00:31:36,442 guy, Rex Strickland, to begin with. You know, he should have been. General Orwell Taylor, 355 00:31:36,482 --> 00:31:41,925 who we theorized his character was from the trailers. Yeah, who knows? Maybe in earlier 356 00:31:41,985 --> 00:31:46,487 drafts of the script, he was that character, but for some reason they decided to go with 357 00:31:46,708 --> 00:31:52,010 Dr. Payne as the symbiote. And Dr. Payne's not even a fucking character from the comic books. 358 00:31:52,171 --> 00:31:56,493 There's a Thaddeus Payne who was like a villain that went up against a venom whose power was 359 00:31:56,513 --> 00:32:01,656 that he couldn't feel pain, but he never bonded with a symbiote or anything. It's weird. Speaking 360 00:32:01,776 --> 00:32:02,376 of Dr. 361 00:32:05,894 --> 00:32:11,498 This character will go down in history as having the worst flashback in cinematic history. I'm 362 00:32:11,518 --> 00:32:16,082 not even sure why that whole scene with her brother on the beach and the lightning storm 363 00:32:16,122 --> 00:32:21,266 was even necessary considering it had no reason to be in this movie. No, you're right. Like, 364 00:32:21,306 --> 00:32:25,490 they tried to develop her character way more than what was necessary considering the role 365 00:32:25,510 --> 00:32:29,233 that she had to play in the plot. You know, I think that screen time actually would have 366 00:32:29,253 --> 00:32:34,697 been better spent on an actual character from the comics like Rex Strickland instead of Dr. 367 00:32:34,717 --> 00:32:40,484 Payne. And like really she had less to do than her associate, Dr. Sadie Christmas, who was 368 00:32:40,564 --> 00:32:46,307 also an original character. What? She was original too? What the hell is going on? I don't know. 369 00:32:46,767 --> 00:32:51,309 I have no idea. But it was weird that they both got symbiotes, but Rex Strickland did not. 370 00:32:51,730 --> 00:32:57,552 So backwards. You kind of just degraded this film for me a little bit, because that sounds 371 00:32:57,592 --> 00:33:03,035 really dumb. Yeah, it is dumb. But I think what kind of elevates the film back up a half a 372 00:33:03,055 --> 00:33:08,877 star is just seeing how cool Lasher and Agony were in the movie. Lasher being the green symbiote 373 00:33:08,977 --> 00:33:14,480 that Sadie Christmas had and Agony being the purple long-haired symbiote that Dr. Payne 374 00:33:14,500 --> 00:33:18,721 got. Well, at least they're the symbiotes characters from the comics. Yes. Yeah, I'm pretty sure 375 00:33:18,761 --> 00:33:24,624 the orange one was Phage. And we already saw Riot in the first movie. He was the main antagonist 376 00:33:24,684 --> 00:33:29,450 of the first film. So we saw all the life foundation symbiotes between the two films. But there 377 00:33:29,470 --> 00:33:35,371 were even more symbiotes in this movie, like the fire guy, the blue snake looking one. Those 378 00:33:35,411 --> 00:33:39,052 were all original and they were pretty cool. What was the name of that guy in the cell? 379 00:33:39,532 --> 00:33:44,754 Detective Patrick Mulligan. What was his symbiote? I don't know the name of his symbiote. In the 380 00:33:44,794 --> 00:33:50,415 comic books, Detective Patrick Mulligan is the wielder of the Toxin symbiote, who is the offspring 381 00:33:50,495 --> 00:33:56,737 of Carnage. Now, we thought that in this movie we'd get to see Toxin, but that definitely 382 00:33:56,777 --> 00:34:01,743 was not Toxin in the container. And there's a line in the movie about how Patrick Mulligan 383 00:34:01,783 --> 00:34:06,685 survived the events of the Carnage movie because he had bonded with a symbiote, but that it 384 00:34:06,745 --> 00:34:13,108 had left his body and evaded Rex Strickland's forces. So Toxin, the symbiote, is still out 385 00:34:13,128 --> 00:34:18,750 there somewhere around San Francisco, but they bonded a new symbiote to Patrick Mulligan in 386 00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:23,112 this movie. The blue one that I don't know the name of. Well, that's stupid because apparently 387 00:34:23,432 --> 00:34:28,623 symbiotes could graft to fucking anybody. Yeah, that's a thing that is not in keeping with 388 00:34:28,643 --> 00:34:33,207 the first film, because in the first film, the Life Foundation found that the symbiote had 389 00:34:33,227 --> 00:34:37,550 to be like a proper match to the host, kind of like an organ donor type situation. Otherwise, 390 00:34:37,590 --> 00:34:42,313 the test subject would get really sick and then die. But here, the symbiotes were just crafting 391 00:34:42,413 --> 00:34:46,316 on to all kinds of scientists and soldiers, and it seemed like they were doing just fine. 392 00:34:46,776 --> 00:34:50,599 And animals, which actually, I thought that was kind of cool. That was really cool. I liked 393 00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:55,511 the symbiote horse. I liked the symbiote fish. That was really cool. and the frog was pretty 394 00:34:55,531 --> 00:34:59,114 interesting. And all the different cool animals we got to see in the end credits. I know that's 395 00:34:59,154 --> 00:35:03,598 not like in the story, but it was just also really cool to see visually. Yeah, yeah. Let's 396 00:35:03,618 --> 00:35:08,762 go ahead and move on to Martin Moon, who is played by Reese Ifans. Going into the movie, 397 00:35:08,902 --> 00:35:12,406 I thought it was going to be really hard to get over the idea of Reese Ifans playing the 398 00:35:12,426 --> 00:35:16,709 character because he's also, you know, Kurt Connors the lizard from the Amazing Spider-Man 399 00:35:16,729 --> 00:35:21,213 franchise. And we saw him recently in the No Way Home film, you know, and seeing him here. 400 00:35:21,642 --> 00:35:26,643 just cemented the idea of the Venom films taking place outside of the Spider-Man universe and 401 00:35:26,663 --> 00:35:32,545 it's just something you hate to see, you know? And I'm not 100% sure Martin Moon was entirely 402 00:35:32,585 --> 00:35:37,106 necessary to the plot in this film, but I will say that over time he grew on me and I did 403 00:35:37,346 --> 00:35:41,827 begin to appreciate his appearance because it offered a chance for some solid character development 404 00:35:41,887 --> 00:35:47,509 for Eddie, you know? Like Martin Moon was almost like his spirit guide on his journey and he 405 00:35:47,569 --> 00:35:53,624 kind of reminded the audience of... the humanity basically that was at stake in this film. Sure. 406 00:35:53,664 --> 00:35:58,626 Yeah. Kind of brought some like real life stakes to the final battle. And that here was this 407 00:35:58,706 --> 00:36:03,009 ordinary family that, you know, could be killed. Yeah. The family kind of ramped up the danger 408 00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:07,391 and ramped up the levity to the proceedings, I think. There were some funny moments with 409 00:36:07,411 --> 00:36:12,334 the family. Yeah, definitely some funny moments. But like you, I also am not 100 percent sure 410 00:36:12,374 --> 00:36:17,737 they were even needed in this film. I would have much rather seen more backstory regarding 411 00:36:17,837 --> 00:36:23,573 Noel. Or at least see Null in action in some way. I don't know. Yeah, I think the best way 412 00:36:23,613 --> 00:36:28,175 to see Null in action would have been through flashback, kind of seeing him take on the Celestials 413 00:36:28,215 --> 00:36:33,739 or something like that before his eventual imprisonment by the Klyntar alien race. Yeah, I wanted to 414 00:36:33,759 --> 00:36:38,581 see more of that for sure, because it was kind of confusing in that I knew he was like the 415 00:36:38,621 --> 00:36:44,685 main bad guy of the film. And yet, by the end, we didn't get to see him fight Venom. That 416 00:36:44,725 --> 00:36:49,142 surprised me. Yeah, it was kind of like the primary antagonist of the film was really the 417 00:36:49,202 --> 00:36:54,788 Xenophage. They also had Rex Strickland, but he's not nearly as cool as Null, I'll say that. 418 00:36:54,808 --> 00:36:59,954 No, yeah, you're right. Speaking of Null, he was played by Andy Serkis. I thought the design 419 00:36:59,994 --> 00:37:04,419 was straight out of the comic books. I thought they gave him a really great setup. It's unfortunate 420 00:37:04,459 --> 00:37:09,211 there was no payoff and So you just have to hope that we'll see him again sometime in the 421 00:37:09,231 --> 00:37:12,593 future and that they're just really playing the long game, which they should do. You know, 422 00:37:12,693 --> 00:37:16,715 Null should not be a one and done villain. You know, he's kind of like Thanos. We should really 423 00:37:16,775 --> 00:37:22,058 see him spread out over the course of multiple films as a major threat. Yeah, if Kevin Feige 424 00:37:22,098 --> 00:37:28,501 doesn't hop on this setup that Sony gave him, then that is a huge shame. I don't think Sony 425 00:37:28,521 --> 00:37:32,484 would let him. I think they're planning their own thing with their own Spider-Man universe. 426 00:37:32,744 --> 00:37:37,468 Well, then I don't care anymore because that's just stupid. Do I really want to see Madame 427 00:37:37,508 --> 00:37:47,526 Webb go up against Null? No. Morbius? No. Craven? Absolutely not. I'd watch it. Shut up. Let's 428 00:37:47,546 --> 00:37:49,029 go ahead and move into our story highlights. 429 00:37:56,366 --> 00:38:02,052 where fantasies collide and heroes clash, One Podcast Network rises above the rest. Prepare 430 00:38:02,072 --> 00:38:07,798 yourself for the ultimate showdowns in comic books, video games, movies, and anime. The 431 00:38:07,858 --> 00:38:13,604 Dynomic Podcast Network presents Console Combat, where video game legends brawl every Monday. 432 00:38:13,624 --> 00:38:19,313 Dynamic Dynomic Podcast Network. Comic Book Titans smash every Tuesday. Max Destruction, 433 00:38:19,714 --> 00:38:25,700 where TV and action heroes battle every Wednesday. And Sendro World, where anime champions clash 434 00:38:25,820 --> 00:38:31,465 every Thursday. Join us as we speculate on the matches and armed with the power of mathematical 435 00:38:31,505 --> 00:38:37,832 simulations, discover who will emerge victorious. Visit dynamicpodcast.com, where we settle the 436 00:38:37,872 --> 00:38:39,313 debate and settle the score. 437 00:38:43,646 --> 00:38:48,087 The movie starts as we see Null, the eldritch god of darkness and creator of the symbiotes, 438 00:38:48,527 --> 00:38:53,989 imprisoned on Klintar by the beings he created. Looking for the codex key that will free him, 439 00:38:54,349 --> 00:38:59,511 he creates the xenophages, symbiote hunters, and sends them out into the cosmos to find 440 00:38:59,551 --> 00:39:06,613 the codex. So right when I heard the word codex I was like, oh, okay, like Man of Steel, gotcha. 441 00:39:08,138 --> 00:39:12,980 No, this is entirely different. The Codex is actually from the King and Black storyline, 442 00:39:13,580 --> 00:39:20,003 except there the Codex was this basically Matrix hive mind that the Klyntar alien race shared 443 00:39:20,283 --> 00:39:26,125 and Eddie Brock got lost in it. But here they kind of reworked the Codex so that it's an 444 00:39:26,265 --> 00:39:32,028 actual key that forms when Asymbo resurrects its host. And what did you think of that? That 445 00:39:32,068 --> 00:39:36,670 change that they made? I think it worked for the story that they were telling here. I did 446 00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:42,914 like how the codex was represented by that red spiral, which is basically the symbol of Null, 447 00:39:43,175 --> 00:39:47,778 and it shows up on the faces of the symbiotes that he is in control of. So that was kind 448 00:39:47,818 --> 00:39:53,862 of like a nice Easter egg. In Mexico, Eddie Brock and Venom learn about the MCU 616 universe 449 00:39:53,902 --> 00:39:59,366 before being pulled back into their home dimension to a similar bar. There they learn from TV 450 00:39:59,406 --> 00:40:03,349 news that Eddie is wanted for the alleged murder of Detective Patrick Mulligan from the last 451 00:40:03,369 --> 00:40:07,839 movie. and Eddie decides they should get to New York to blackmail a judge into giving them 452 00:40:07,959 --> 00:40:13,162 amnesty. They leave the bar and stumble upon a dog fighting pit where they fight and devour 453 00:40:13,202 --> 00:40:19,084 the dog fighters. Venom and Eddie are caught in Mexico on camera alerting Imperium, a government 454 00:40:19,144 --> 00:40:24,487 operation working out of a secret base below Area 51. The cocktail scene was pretty funny 455 00:40:24,887 --> 00:40:30,289 with Venom singing tequila as he's making Eddie a margarita. I thought that was pretty funny. 456 00:40:30,954 --> 00:40:36,576 But it just made me think as Eddie got transported to his home dimension bar that the Sony Venom 457 00:40:36,736 --> 00:40:42,118 universes seems like a slightly more sucky version of other Marvel universes. Like this universe's 458 00:40:42,138 --> 00:40:46,741 version of the bartender is just like a down and out version of the MCUs. This universe's 459 00:40:46,781 --> 00:40:52,683 version of Baron Mordo is just an army guy named Rex. This universe's version of Kurt Connors, 460 00:40:52,703 --> 00:40:56,425 the Lizard, is just some dirty hippie named Martin. Like everything's kind of similar, 461 00:40:56,505 --> 00:41:02,336 but vaguely more shitty. Well, Kurt Connors wasn't even the MCU version in the No Way Home 462 00:41:02,396 --> 00:41:09,221 film. Technically, he was from a different universe. But we've never seen the MCU's version of Kurt 463 00:41:09,241 --> 00:41:14,284 Connors. He may be played by re-siphons still. I don't know. Who knows? That's true. That's 464 00:41:14,324 --> 00:41:19,048 fair. But you're right. Yeah, I guess this is like the suckiest Marvel universe ever. It 465 00:41:19,068 --> 00:41:23,891 just kind of killed me how much they dropped the ball on Eddie Brock's whole cameo appearance 466 00:41:24,051 --> 00:41:31,628 in No Way Home. Like that didn't amount to squat. No, it didn't. It was basically just that, 467 00:41:31,708 --> 00:41:38,993 a cameo. Superlinks. With no real major implications, except that Venom did shed in the MCU. He did 468 00:41:39,033 --> 00:41:43,276 leave like a shedded piece of himself, just like he did in this movie. A shedded piece? 469 00:41:43,897 --> 00:41:48,780 Shedded piece. Oh, okay. What did you think of the dogfight scene? That was cool. I actually 470 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:53,443 really liked that scene. I thought it was a great opening action scene for the movie. I 471 00:41:53,463 --> 00:42:00,745 left my ass off when Eddie Brock threw his slipper. at one of the bad guys. The croc? Yeah. Like 472 00:42:00,765 --> 00:42:04,508 a chancla. And he spent basically the whole movie looking for another pair of shoes because 473 00:42:05,008 --> 00:42:09,652 he kept losing them. Imperium's commander Rex Strickland visits the Mexico bar to obtain 474 00:42:09,692 --> 00:42:14,936 a venom sample left there and detain the bartender for questioning. They're brought to Area 51 475 00:42:14,956 --> 00:42:17,418 which is being decommissioned where Commander Strickland and 476 00:42:21,922 --> 00:42:26,204 who is being held at the Imperium facility due to his life being saved via bonding with a 477 00:42:26,264 --> 00:42:30,807 symbiote. Mulligan's symbiote, which had arrived on Earth with a handful of others on a meteor 478 00:42:30,827 --> 00:42:35,650 that crashed at Area 51 and was being studied there, explains to Commander Strickland and 479 00:42:35,770 --> 00:42:40,813 Dr. Payne that they came to Earth looking for a safe haven while fleeing their creator Null 480 00:42:41,053 --> 00:42:47,337 and his xenophage hunters. I do have to ask, why did they need to take the bartender? For 481 00:42:47,377 --> 00:42:52,509 questioning. They wanted to learn more about where Venom might be going. And yeah, so they're 482 00:42:52,689 --> 00:42:56,232 going to interrogate him. Do you really think he was worth an after credit scene? Because 483 00:42:56,853 --> 00:43:01,777 I can't believe I stayed for that. I think he was brought in for the after credit scene as 484 00:43:01,817 --> 00:43:07,641 a reminder to the audience that while Venom was at the bar, he did leave a shedded piece 485 00:43:07,681 --> 00:43:13,246 of himself. And I think that's what their insinuating head bonded with the cockroach that was there 486 00:43:13,746 --> 00:43:19,270 and then interacted with the vial containing the agony symbiote. Like the spark from that 487 00:43:19,290 --> 00:43:25,772 container, I think, kind of signified a sort of like CPR effect on that Venom sample. So 488 00:43:25,792 --> 00:43:31,273 you're saying that there's a way for Eddie to get Venom back. Correct. OK, I did not make 489 00:43:31,293 --> 00:43:35,854 that connection. In that case, I guess that was an important scene. What did you think 490 00:43:35,874 --> 00:43:42,336 was the point of that whole after credit scene? I have no clue, dude. I had no clue. All right. 491 00:43:42,376 --> 00:43:46,077 Meanwhile, Eddie and Venom hitch a ride on the outside of a commercial airplane flying to 492 00:43:46,117 --> 00:43:50,867 New York. but they're discovered by a xenophage who attacks them and forces the pair to leap 493 00:43:50,927 --> 00:43:55,850 off the plane, landing in the Mojave Desert. There, Venom explains that when a symbiote 494 00:43:55,910 --> 00:44:00,072 resurrects its host, like what Venom did to Eddie during their fight against Riot, that 495 00:44:00,092 --> 00:44:04,834 a codex is formed that is the key to unlocking Gnull from his prison. Venom states that the 496 00:44:04,894 --> 00:44:09,457 xenophage can track that codex when the symbiote takes over the host, and therefore Venom has 497 00:44:09,477 --> 00:44:14,475 to avoid taking over Eddie. He instead takes over a horse to get him and Eddie across the 498 00:44:14,516 --> 00:44:19,499 desert. Regarding the codex, it makes you think that a symbiote would avoid ever resurrecting 499 00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:24,382 its host because it knows the consequences would be forming the codex. But I think that just 500 00:44:24,402 --> 00:44:29,085 speaks to Venom and Eddie's relationship and that Venom actually cared enough about Eddie 501 00:44:29,125 --> 00:44:35,209 to resurrect him and risk the formation of that codex. Right, right. Reports of the airplane 502 00:44:35,229 --> 00:44:39,232 attack reach Imperium and Commander Strickland sends a squad out to the desert where they 503 00:44:39,272 --> 00:44:43,583 find and chase Venom and Eddie through a river. The fight forces Venom to take over Eddie, 504 00:44:43,683 --> 00:44:48,225 which draws in the Xenophage, who makes short work of the Imperium forces, letting Eddie 505 00:44:48,245 --> 00:44:53,608 and Venom escape. Back at Area 51, Mulligan's symbiote explains that unless either Venom 506 00:44:53,648 --> 00:44:59,732 or Eddie die and the Codex is broken, the Xenophage will obtain the Codex and release Null, leading 507 00:44:59,772 --> 00:45:04,895 to the death of all living beings in the universe. Fantastic stakes, as I've mentioned before. 508 00:45:05,135 --> 00:45:10,510 I'm really wondering that if Null actually does get released in a future Sony Spider-Man Universe 509 00:45:10,530 --> 00:45:16,253 movie how these characters would ever stand a chance against him because the guy is basically 510 00:45:16,294 --> 00:45:21,637 all powerful. You know Morbius ain't gonna do shit against him. Neither is Madame Web or 511 00:45:21,717 --> 00:45:26,920 Spider-Man or Venom or all of them teamed up for that matter. Cravin. Back to the movie 512 00:45:27,020 --> 00:45:31,623 Eddie and Venom stumble upon Martin Moon, an alien enthusiast and his family who are on 513 00:45:31,663 --> 00:45:37,119 their way to visit Area 51 before it's fully decommissioned. hopes to see an extraterrestrial, 514 00:45:37,279 --> 00:45:41,881 and they offer to give Eddie a ride to Las Vegas in their camper. Arriving at the Paris Casino, 515 00:45:42,301 --> 00:45:47,984 Eddie and Venom run into Ms. Chen, who has struck it rich gambling. She and Venom share a dance, 516 00:45:48,465 --> 00:45:53,247 but they're ambushed by Imperium's forces who located Eddie and Venom's location via security 517 00:45:53,267 --> 00:45:59,731 cameras. They separate Venom and Eddie, bringing them to the Area 51 base. I thought the gambling 518 00:45:59,751 --> 00:46:06,006 scene was pretty funny. If you've ever played a slot machine, you'll know but it is really 519 00:46:06,066 --> 00:46:11,109 fun to pull that lever in a way that is probably unhealthy. Well, nowadays, all you have to 520 00:46:11,129 --> 00:46:14,611 do is push a button. You don't even need to pull the lever. But why would you? I like to 521 00:46:14,631 --> 00:46:18,774 pull the lever though. Best part. What did you think of the dancing scene? On one hand, you 522 00:46:18,854 --> 00:46:24,577 really hate to see a character like Venom dance to ABBA. On the other hand, it was kind of 523 00:46:24,617 --> 00:46:28,740 funny. It was more funny than I thought it would be, especially when Eddie was like, what did 524 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:36,003 you guys have time to rehearse this? That was great. Yeah, but it does make me wonder, like, 525 00:46:36,443 --> 00:46:41,264 was Mrs. Chen reintroduced in this film just so they could have this dance scene? I think 526 00:46:41,324 --> 00:46:45,845 Miss Chen was a popular enough character from the previous two films. I mean, she even showed 527 00:46:45,885 --> 00:46:50,607 up in the Spider-Verse movie, speaking to the spot. So I think she's just kind of become 528 00:46:50,627 --> 00:46:54,648 a staple of the franchise. And I think she'd be sorely missed if she wasn't in one of these 529 00:46:54,688 --> 00:46:59,069 films. Well, that's right. I forgot the character was in that movie. Yeah, I guess she is a staple 530 00:46:59,109 --> 00:47:06,508 now. I guess we'll see her in Craven next. At the Imperium base, Eddie meets Mulligan's symbiote 531 00:47:06,568 --> 00:47:11,811 who tells him to free Imperium's captured symbiotes. Commander Strickland shoots Eddie in an attempt 532 00:47:11,871 --> 00:47:16,674 to destroy the Codex, however Imperium scientist Sadie Christmas, who had bonded with Venom 533 00:47:16,714 --> 00:47:22,037 in order to save him, delivers Venom back to Eddie. Venom and Eddie's reunion alerts the 534 00:47:22,097 --> 00:47:27,440 Xenophage to their location, who attacks the Imperium base forcing several of their soldiers 535 00:47:27,460 --> 00:47:32,838 and scientists to bond with the captured symbiotes. who unite to attack the creature. Eddie and 536 00:47:32,878 --> 00:47:38,600 Venom try to flee as the xenophage sends a signal to Null to send more creatures and the symbiotes 537 00:47:38,740 --> 00:47:43,741 are overpowered. Who was your favorite symbiote out of the group? Still Venom. I liked the 538 00:47:43,801 --> 00:47:48,203 orange rocky looking one. I also liked the fire one, although I don't really think that makes 539 00:47:48,263 --> 00:47:53,564 sense. You could say that purified symbiotes no longer have the weakness to sonics and fire, 540 00:47:53,864 --> 00:47:59,506 but it just doesn't ring true, I think, to have a symbiote with lava powers. That being said, 541 00:47:59,546 --> 00:48:05,249 it was a cool visual, especially when the Xenophage ate the Assymbia and shot flames from the back 542 00:48:05,269 --> 00:48:12,313 of its head. That's a spicy meatball. I am really confused as to why Dr. Christmas bonded with 543 00:48:12,393 --> 00:48:17,455 Venom. You said it was to save Eddie, but she didn't know that was going to happen. And why 544 00:48:17,475 --> 00:48:21,397 would she want to save Eddie considering the fact that she knew the stakes if they were 545 00:48:21,417 --> 00:48:27,725 to re-bond? I think she knew that either Venom or Eddie was going to die there and she felt 546 00:48:27,805 --> 00:48:32,429 bad about it. It almost seems to me like she was just trying to straight up steal a symbiote. 547 00:48:32,929 --> 00:48:36,832 I don't think so considering she gave it to Eddie Brock right away. It was interesting 548 00:48:36,872 --> 00:48:40,975 how some of the symbiotes were like elemental, that you had, you know, your rocky symbiote, 549 00:48:41,295 --> 00:48:47,479 your fiery symbiote, your electrical symbiote. Right, vine symbiote. Yeah, which is not really 550 00:48:47,499 --> 00:48:51,122 something from the comic books, but I actually really like that as a concept. Venom would 551 00:48:51,142 --> 00:48:58,365 just be like the dark ink symbiote, oil symbiote. Yeah. Is it just me or are the moon parents 552 00:48:58,505 --> 00:49:03,767 the worst parents in the history of parenting? And I feel like there are real parents like 553 00:49:03,787 --> 00:49:08,909 that too, which is wild. Let's sneak onto this military base where we could potentially, you 554 00:49:08,929 --> 00:49:14,411 know, get shot and bring our kids with us who can also, you know, get shot. There's no aliens 555 00:49:14,451 --> 00:49:20,798 here kids. That's unfortunate because I really wanted us to be attacked by aliens. Venom and 556 00:49:20,838 --> 00:49:25,759 Eddie realize that one of them has to die in order to stop the xenophages. Eddie accepts 557 00:49:25,779 --> 00:49:31,140 his fate, but Venom separates himself to assimilate the xenophages and protect Eddie. Venom brings 558 00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:35,462 the creatures to acid tanks used for destroying Area 51's equipment, and Commander Strickland 559 00:49:35,522 --> 00:49:41,023 melts Venom and the creatures before destroying them and himself with a grenade. Eddie falls 560 00:49:41,083 --> 00:49:45,844 unconscious before waking up in a military hospital alone, where he learns that he's been pardoned 561 00:49:45,904 --> 00:49:51,494 of all charges as long as he keeps quiet about Area 51 and the and he travels to New York 562 00:49:51,534 --> 00:49:57,359 City where he visits the Statue of Liberty while remembering venom. Um, how powerful was the 563 00:49:57,399 --> 00:50:02,984 grenade that Commander Strickland used? Because holy shit, not only did that destroy himself 564 00:50:03,184 --> 00:50:08,308 and Venom and the Xenophages, but it was also like a massive ass almost nuclear explosion 565 00:50:08,328 --> 00:50:13,933 that rained down fire across a massive radius. From one grenade, like was the acid combustible 566 00:50:13,993 --> 00:50:19,557 or something? That's what I was thinking, like it was flammable acid somehow. I have no idea. 567 00:50:20,098 --> 00:50:26,860 There's gasoline in that acid, right? The whole acid thing just throws me like right when I 568 00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,982 saw that scene, I was like, OK, that's going to be used somehow later. I'm pretty sure. 569 00:50:31,462 --> 00:50:37,385 But like, why were they dissolving things with fucking acid? Makes no sense to me. That's 570 00:50:37,405 --> 00:50:41,566 a great question. I don't have the answer for you. It doesn't make sense. But it was kind 571 00:50:41,586 --> 00:50:47,549 of a cinematic way for venom to go out, you know. Sure. Did you think that Eddie was going 572 00:50:47,569 --> 00:50:53,665 to die when he was in the helicopter? just kind of like bleeding out. I wasn't sure which one 573 00:50:53,706 --> 00:50:57,729 of them was gonna die, but when Venom healed Eddie at that point, I realized that Venom 574 00:50:57,769 --> 00:51:02,594 was gonna be the one to sacrifice himself. In a mid-credits scene, Null threatens the universe, 575 00:51:03,134 --> 00:51:07,979 and in an after credits scene, we see the Mexican bartender leave the destroyed Imperium base, 576 00:51:08,119 --> 00:51:12,863 along with a Venom symbiote-infested cockroach that walks near the broken bile that contained 577 00:51:13,024 --> 00:51:17,467 agony, which gives him an electric shock. What did you think of the mid-credits scene? It 578 00:51:17,487 --> 00:51:22,449 was pretty simple. It was basically just Null saying that he's gonna burn everything and 579 00:51:22,609 --> 00:51:27,812 you're gonna watch. I thought it was appropriately scary, but it also just served as a reminder 580 00:51:27,852 --> 00:51:33,495 that we didn't get to see Null, really. Like, the guy was in shadows the whole time, we didn't 581 00:51:33,515 --> 00:51:37,878 get to see him fight or see what he does. Like, he's scary, but why should I be afraid of him? 582 00:51:38,318 --> 00:51:42,380 Well, I certainly was afraid of him. Maybe that's just because I know him from the comic books, 583 00:51:42,860 --> 00:51:47,339 so I know how big of a threat he is. but I don't know how general audiences would feel about 584 00:51:47,379 --> 00:51:51,663 the character. They're probably less afraid than they should be, is my guess. Because that 585 00:51:51,683 --> 00:51:56,527 dude's no joke. It was his sword, after all, that Gorr the God Butcher got a hold of, you 586 00:51:56,547 --> 00:52:01,431 know, and he laid waste to a whole pantheon of gods, so you can just imagine what Null 587 00:52:01,451 --> 00:52:07,175 himself can do. Well, it would be nice if they made that reference, although the MCU kind 588 00:52:07,215 --> 00:52:13,140 of ruined that too. Yeah, yeah, Gorr the God Butcher in Thor, Living Thunder was not quite 589 00:52:13,180 --> 00:52:18,831 the same character, But that's the end of the film. Overall, I enjoyed the movie, basically 590 00:52:18,851 --> 00:52:25,453 about as much as the first Venom film. I think Venom the Last Dance offers a heartfelt farewell 591 00:52:25,493 --> 00:52:31,475 to the franchise, while unexpectedly breathing new life into it, resulting in an uneven but 592 00:52:31,555 --> 00:52:36,316 mostly enjoyable experience. Like the first Venom movie, I'm rating Venom the Last Dance 593 00:52:36,396 --> 00:52:43,323 3.5 stars, a fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes. I think I would have given it a 3, although 594 00:52:43,363 --> 00:52:48,968 I could see how you could argue for 3 and a half. Just given the hearts of the film, I 595 00:52:49,008 --> 00:52:55,935 think that goes a long way. It was definitely a heartfelt goodbye at the very end, so walking 596 00:52:55,975 --> 00:53:01,480 out of the theater I could see 3 and a half. I don't think it was a good movie. I think 597 00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:06,885 the acting was fine, but I think the writing was just the bare minimum of what mediocre 598 00:53:06,925 --> 00:53:13,259 writing should be. I thought the direction was probably the best of the franchise. So yeah, 599 00:53:13,659 --> 00:53:18,144 I could see the case for three and a half stars. Story wise, it's a three star film, but then 600 00:53:18,184 --> 00:53:22,949 you have that climax with the group of symbiotes fighting the xenophages and that bumps it up 601 00:53:22,969 --> 00:53:28,015 a half star on its own. Because I just love that scene so much. But that does it for this 602 00:53:28,055 --> 00:53:35,208 review guys. AG9K helped close this out. Thanks for listening to Dynamic Duel. Visit the show's 603 00:53:35,248 --> 00:53:41,152 website at dynamicDuel.com and follow us on Instagram at dynamicDuelpodcast. You can support 604 00:53:41,172 --> 00:53:46,896 the show on Patreon at patreon.com slash dynamicDuel and joining a tier that works for you, or by 605 00:53:46,956 --> 00:53:53,120 rating and reviewing Dynamic Duel on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Podchaser or on our website. Don't 606 00:53:53,140 --> 00:53:57,683 forget to listen to the other shows in the DynaMic Podcast Network, including Max Destruction, 607 00:53:58,044 --> 00:54:04,163 Senjou World and Console Combat. Our next episode, as we've mentioned several times during this 608 00:54:04,203 --> 00:54:09,187 episode, we're going to have a duel as a tie into this review where we pit White Lantern 609 00:54:09,267 --> 00:54:14,410 Kyle Rayner against Null. Yeah, I'm a huge Kyle Rayner fan. He was Green Lantern when I first 610 00:54:14,450 --> 00:54:20,414 started reading comic books. So I'm super excited to showcase him finally. And I'm also glad 611 00:54:20,434 --> 00:54:24,457 that I learned a lot more about Null in this episode because I really didn't know anything 612 00:54:24,477 --> 00:54:31,114 about him. And I'm already plotting his demise, as it were. Spoiler alert, Null Fridge's. Kyle 613 00:54:31,154 --> 00:54:35,475 Rayner in the next episode. So look forward to that. But that does it for this episode. 614 00:54:35,495 --> 00:54:39,796 We want to give a big thanks to our executive producers, Ken Johnson, John Sturawski, Zachary 615 00:54:39,816 --> 00:54:44,617 Hepburn, Dustin Belcombe, Mickey Mathangian, Brandon Estergard, Nathaniel Wagner, Levi Yeaton, 616 00:54:44,797 --> 00:54:50,859 Austin Wisselowski, AJ Dunkerley, Scott Camacho, Gil Camacho, Adam Spies, Andrew Shunk, Dean 617 00:54:50,899 --> 00:54:57,361 Maleski, Devin Davis, Joseph Kirstein, and Josh Leiner for helping make this podcast possible. 618 00:54:57,381 --> 00:55:02,577 We'll talk to you guys next week. Up up and away, true believers. This is Major Tom to 619 00:55:02,617 --> 00:55:07,441 ground control. I'm stepping through the door, and I'm floating in a most peculiar way. And 620 00:55:07,481 --> 00:55:08,942 the stars look very different today.