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Hi, welcome to the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly
show where we review superhero films and debate

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the superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing
their characters in stat-based battle simulations.

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I'm Marvelous Joe. And I'm his twin brother
Johnny DC. And this is a big episode. In tie-in

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to our previous review of Venom the Last Dance,
we are going to be finding out who would win

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in a fight between White Lantern, Kyle Rayner,
and Null, the eldritch god of darkness. This

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is going to be a really fun episode because
basically, Null's going to wipe the floor with

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White Lantern and it's going to be enjoyable
for me to witness that. So both of these characters

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are insanely powerful, but if you think Null
is more powerful than the White Lantern Kylo

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Renner, I don't know what to say. Cocaine's
a hell of a drug. Well, we'll find out later

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on this episode, guys. Really excited for it.
Before we get into the duel though, we're going

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to break down the latest comic book movie news
to come out this past week. including just

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one news item actually. It was the new release
dates that were announced in the Marvel Studios

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2025 look ahead sizzle reel. Yeah, there was
some DC casting news announcements but it was

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really for unrecognizable actors in lesser roles.
So it was hard to get excited about. I find

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it hard to get excited about most DC things.
So I totally see where you're coming from.

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You are sassy this episode. I think it almost
come from some like insecurity they're having

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about the matchup later on. It's gotta be. Nah,
I just had a lot of sugar this morning, so.

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Halloween candy. Yeah, exactly. As always guys,
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Network. But with that out of the way, quick
to the no prize. A no prize is an award Marvel

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duel No Prize, is a digital award we post on

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Instagram for the person that we feel gave the
best answer to our question of the week. Last

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week we asked you guys to give us your best
30 second film pitch for the MCU Blade movie

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because we got news that the film was removed
from Marvel's schedule and we had to figure,

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you know, it's gotta be easier than what they're
making it to crack a Blade script for the movie.

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We got quite a number of answers, but we're
going to break down this week's honorable mentions

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before revealing the no prize winner. Our first
honorable mention goes to Colby Hentges, who

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said, Hey boys, Colby Hentges. Since Marvel
likes to get cheeky with the punctuation lately,

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the new Blade movie will be Blade, Ebony. It'll
be Blade teaching the new Black Knight, Dane

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Whitman, how to use the Ebony Blade he found
at the end of the Eternals. The Black Knight

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will be the young loose cannon. Blades getting
too old for this shit, Whitman. It'll be a

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lethal weapon with vampires. But who do we get
to play the Joe Pesci part? Yeah, this is a

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pretty good idea. The only appearance we've
gotten of Mahershala Ali as the Blade character,

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if you can call it an appearance because it
was just his voice, was in the end credit scene

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of the Eternals movie in which we hear Blade
addressing Dane Whitman, the Black Knight,

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about his ebony blade. So we know that those
two have met in the Marvel Cinematic Universe

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I like to think that's not a plot thread that
Marvel would just leave hanging. Now the Black

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Knight wields a blade in the comic books called
the Ebony Blade, which is a vampiric blade

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of sorts. You could describe it that way, and
I'm pretty sure that's why Blade showed up

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in The Eternals even, but Dane Whitman's sword
is a magical, powerful sword that grants him

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bloodlust that he constantly has to fight against.
Yeah, I really like the idea of a lethal weapon

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vampire movie. I think that's fantastic. As
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I nominate Joe Pesci. Yeah, just cast Joe Pesci.
He's still around. Great answer, Colby. Our

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next honorable mention goes to Mason Thompson,
who said, OK, you could involve. Sorry if I'm

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saying this super fast. You can involve the
werewolf by night in the swamp thing to kind

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of continue on from the short film. And Blade
has to hunt them down to see things. They're

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involved with the vampires. You have the vampires
be like a tribe. So that way, they're they

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haven't been in MCU because they're like hidden.
And so he hunts them down. He realizes they're

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not a part of that. And then they came up or
something like that. Like he thinks they're

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part of the vampire tribe. And then, yeah. So
Mason Thompson made sure to call back and let

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us know that he meant Man-Thing and not Swamp-Thing,
since Swamp-Thing is a DC character. But yeah,

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both Werewolf by Night and Man-Thing were in
the Werewolf by Night Disney Plus special presentation

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that came out a few Halloweens ago. So the characters
are established and yeah, it would be neat

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for Blade to interact within the supernatural
world that special set up and go after them

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thinking that they're, you know, evil creatures,
but it turns out it was just a mix up and then

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they all joined together to fight an evil vampire
tribe. I like it. It has shades of like underworld

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to it, but underworld is just a cool concept.
Like vampires versus werewolves. Is it currently

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being done right now? And so it's ripe for the
picking. Yeah, I didn't think of it that way,

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but that would be cool. Essentially, it seems
like Mason Thompson is pitching a Midnight

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Suns movie that just stars the character of
Blade, which I have no problem with. So we're

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going to answer Mason. Our next honorable mention
goes to Travis Bailey, who said,

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Hey, Travis Bailey, shout out to my good friend.
All right. So look, Contessa goes to Old Man

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Hawkeye. I need that rolling out. Right. I'm
putting together a team. We got a threat Lilith

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out of Idaho. she's producing demons somehow,
we gonna go there we gonna shut her down. They

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get there, they meet up with Elsa Bloodstone
thinking that she's Lilith, she ain't that

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but she whoops the ass, alright? But, ass comes
off, I'm not roaming I'm playing, and the big

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bad at the end, the scarlet witch. Okay he went
through that really quick, but basically Travis's

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pitch is having the Contessa hire Hawkeye as
Ronin to go after Lilith during which they

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encounter Elsa They find out it's not. She teams
up with Ronin, who turns out to be Blade, against

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the final bad guy who turns out to be Scarlet
Witch. So there's a lot of elements going on

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there. I would probably nix the Scarlet Witch
thing at the end and just have the actual bad

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guy be Lilith, the mother of demons, or actually
there's another Lilith who's like the daughter

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of Dracula. So you might want to go that route.
But we've been introduced to Elsa Bloodstone

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in the MCU in the Werewolf by Night special
presentation. And she was fantastic in that

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short film. and she managed to get a hold of
the Bloodstone within that story, which we

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know is a war against vampires. Elsa Bloodstone
would be a great partner for Mahershala Ali's

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Blade. Yeah, but how do you feel about him as
Ronin? There have been a lot of different characters

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to portray the Ronin identity over the years.
Basically, Ronin is kind of a persona for superheroes

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who have to go undercover. You know, Echo's
been Ronin, Hot Guy's been Ronin. I could totally

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see Blade as Ronin. Though I would probably
want that reveal to happen sooner rather than

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later. That way you don't have a Blade movie
where Blade rarely shows up. You know, we don't

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want to think it's Hot Guy the whole time. Honestly,
if we're nixing the Scarlet Witch thing, yeah,

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also just nix the Ronin thing. Just have Blade
be recruited to go fight Lilith. I like it.

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Sold. Yeah, decent concept overall. So thanks
Travis Bailey for your answer. We want to give

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a quick shout out to Daniel Alonso, as well
as Travis Herndon, who pitched the idea of

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a Blade and Ghost Rider team up against Blackout
and Mephisto in Vegas idea, which I thought

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was pretty good, but it was more of a demon
movie than a vampire movie. So it didn't get

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an honorable mention, but I still liked it.
But the winner of this week's snow prize is

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Mike Williams. Who said? Mike Williams here.
Blade movie scripts, maybe Blade versus Morbius.

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And somehow Spider-Man comes along and convinces
them they need to be on the same team. Probably

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never get made, but we can wish upon it. Enjoy
your show, and as always, make mine Marvel.

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Peace. Yeah, if any Blade movie was to get made
in an ideal world where the rise to these characters

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wasn't all jumbled, we would get a Blade versus
Morbius film, right? That would be awesome.

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And... They would fight against each other and
then end up teaming up to go up against a larger

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vampire threat such as Dracula, Deacon Frost,
someone like that. I think that would be the

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best case scenario for a Blade movie. Unfortunately,
out of all the ideas that were listed here,

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this is least likely to happen because Sony
owns the rights to Morbius. Yeah, but that

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said, Sony has also lent Spider-Man to the MCU
before, so why not another character like Morbius?

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Well, they might offer that deal with Marvel
as a way to extend their Spider-Man contract,

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so who knows? Maybe it's not out of the realm
of possibility. I would like to see it happen.

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In fact, I think if you got like a Blade movie
with Morbius and Elsa Bloodstone as like his

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sidekicks, that would be the ultimate best case
scenario. I think honestly, if Sony wants to

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get even more in Kevin and Faggy's good graces,
they would offer something like that. For sure.

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So great answer, Mike Williams. You win this
week's No Prize. If you, the listener, want

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a shot at winning your own No Prize, stay tuned
to later on this episode when we'll be asking

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another question of the week. And now that that's
done. On to the news!

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Alright, this past week we got a look ahead
sizzle reel video from Marvel Studios that

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details their upcoming projects on Disney+.
And we got a lot of new release dates that

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we previously didn't know before. Basically
a reveal of what's coming out later this year

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and in 2025. There's a lot of great stuff, a
lot of new footage that was introduced within

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the sizzle reel, including a look at Daredevil
Born Again, where we got to see the fucking

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kick-ass action that's going to be in the show.
It looks... Like it's going to continue carrying

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the torch that the show had on Netflix in terms
of its just gritty, hardcore, rough and tumble

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action fights. We got to see Daredevil fighting
characters like Muse and The Punisher. It all

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looks so damn fantastic and I really can't wait
for this show to come out. We previously already

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got a release date for Daredevil Born Again,
but it reiterated that the show will be debuting

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on March 4th, 2025. Yeah, I cannot wait. Everything
that comes out for the show just gets me excited

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for it. It's going to be awesome. The next show
we got to look at was Your Friendly Neighborhood

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Spider-Man, which is an animated series that's
coming out on Disney+. It takes place in kind

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of an alternate timeline wherein we get a look
at Peter Parker's early days as the web-slinging

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hero where he doesn't quite have his costume
nailed down yet, but What was interesting was

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that it was revealed that Peter Parker's mentor
in this timeline is Norman Osborn, not Tony

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Stark. So we're going to see how that influence
affects him as a character. That's weird. I

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didn't know it was an alternate timeline. Why
would they do that? I don't know. Initially,

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the premise of the show was going to be a look
at Peter Parker's origin because we never really

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got that in the MCU. He was already established
in the Captain America Civil War movie. as

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a full-fledged superhero when he was recruited
by Tony Stark. And I thought we were going

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to get to see his early adventures as the hero,
how he decided to become the hero and everything

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like that. But just knowing that this isn't
like sacred timeline Peter Parker kind of bums

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me out. I don't even want to see it now. I know
this has kind of become my least anticipated

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show for 2025, but we will be reviewing it.
It actually is going to debut on the Disney

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Plus television platform on January 29th. So
pretty soon here, actually. The animation looks

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pretty good, I'll give it that. It looks like
straight out of a Steve Ditko comic, but the

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3D element is pretty nice, considering it's
computer animated. Not quite stylistic on the

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same level as the Spider-Verse, but like really
no animation can even approach that franchise.

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I'm pretty sure Peter Parker kills a kid by
slamming a brick into his head. Well, we will

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find out if that kid deserved it or not. Whoa.
But moving on to Ironheart, we learned that

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that- live action series is going to debut on
Disney Plus on June 24th. So during the summertime.

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But we got a cool look at Riri Williams suit
as she's building it. It looks pretty damn

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badass. And we also got to look at the hood
within the sizzle reel, which if you didn't

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see the leaked D23 footage, this is probably
your first looks at these characters. I wasn't

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excited for this show at all. But I got to say,
the footage from it looks really damn good.

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Yeah, it looks pretty compelling, honestly.
I'm not a huge fan of Dominique Thorn's Riri

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Williams because she didn't impress me in Black
Panther Wakanda forever, but this show does

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look pretty dang good. Next up in the sizzle
reel was What If Season 3, which is coming

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like really fucking soon. I had no idea earlier,
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on December 22nd with a new episode coming out
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going to get this show in its entirety before
the start of the new year. We got some pretty

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cool shots, like a Western type tale. There
was a fucking Transformers version of Captain

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America, which I am like super excited by. That'll
be really cool. I mean, the What If series

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is just pretty damn good, especially season
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thought it was better than season one. So I'm
really looking forward to season three and

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seeing what they do there. Yeah, it looks like
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in Marvel Zombies. Right, yeah, we got our first
look at that show, which is gonna be TVMA on

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the Disney Plus platform. We got a brief look
at the Marvel Zombies universe in the first

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season of What If, but they're gonna continue
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series, which is gonna come out in time for
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looks spot on. There's a shot here where we
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and it reminds me a lot of World War Z and...
I'm super pumped for this show. I gotta tell

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you. I think the biggest surprise out of this
sizzle reel that came out was our first look

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at Wonder Man, which is a television show starring
Yahya Abdul-Mateen II, who is no stranger to

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comic book shows and movies. Here he is playing
Simon Williams, who is the character of Wonder

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Man, the superhero who's also an actor. And
it looks like the television shows is really

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leaning into that aspect of the character and
kind of sending up, you know, Hollywood tropes

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and things like that. It kind of seems like
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for a role called Wonder Man, and through the
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hero. We see him being mentored by Trevor Slattery,
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was the guy behind the Mandarin in Iron Man
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film. I'm not a huge fan of Trevor Slattery.
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with the character of the Mandarin, but... since
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character and that concept. It's kind of interesting
to see what's going on with Wonder Man. And

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honestly, I'm curious. It has piqued my curiosity,
we'll say. I feel like Trevor Slattery was

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redeemed in Shang-Chi, especially because the
real Amandarin ended up being way cooler than

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anything Iron Man 3 could have imagined. I don't
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called Wonder Man. The whole thing is just kind
of confusing, but Honestly, Trevor Slattery

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was the most interesting thing about this footage
to me. Yeah, that show is not going to come

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out, though, until next December. So around
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got a look at in the sizzle reel is Eyes of
Wakanda, which looks like an amazing, amazing

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animated series where we get a look at the Black
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The animation style, I think, is what stood
out most to me in that. It's not like the What

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If series or anything else that Disney has produced
for Marvel Studios. It looks a little bit more

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stylized and Pixar-y. I guess the best way to
describe it so far is that it kind of reminds

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me of The Clone Wars. Yeah, yeah, I thought
the same thing. But like with a whole lot more

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money put into its budget. Aizu Wakanda is going
to come out in August of next year. Can't wait

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to see more on that show. Yeah, I'm really intrigued
by it. Honestly, I think for a lot of these

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shows... I kept repeating myself saying that
I am super pumped to see it, but it's true.

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You know, there's a lot of good stuff here coming
out from Marvel at the end of this year and

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throughout 2025. So this trailer just got me
super pumped, totally aboard the hype train

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for what's coming out on Disney plus. And I
know that like Marvel said that they were going

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to start winding down the quantity of their
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it seems like we quite have not reached that
point because there's a shit tongue coming

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out in 2025. Man. Speaking of all the shit that's
coming out, that brings us to our question

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of the week.

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I didn't mean like shit, I was like, stuff.
It was a lot of stuff. Yeah, a lot of shit.

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Oh God. Out of Marvel Television's upcoming
projects revealed in the sizzle reel, which

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one gets you the most excited and why? Yeah,
I'm particularly interested in the projects

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that you weren't as excited in until you saw
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But I think that does it for all the news for
this episode, so let's go ahead and get into

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our main event where we find out who would win
in a fight between the White Lantern, Kyle

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Raynor versus Null.

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Alright, White Lantern vs. Null. Now these two
characters are heavy hitters, if I do say so

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myself. Basically they're on the same level
as like Lactis and Spectre. This is that kind

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of matchup. These guys are just off the charts.
Yeah, White Lantern, Kyle Raynor, is the culmination

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of all the different multicolored energies of
light in the universe, and Null is a primordial

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deity, really, of darkness. They both have...
really badass weapons. Kyle Rayner wields the

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White Lantern Power Ring, Null wields All Black
the Necro Sword, and each of them can use their

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weapons to produce constructs out of their respective
element of light or darkness. I'm really excited

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to be doing a duel episode with Kyle Rayner.
He was the Green Lantern that was around when

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I first started reading comic books, so he's
near and dear to my heart. He's known as being

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the most creative of the Green Lanterns. Yeah,
we've done a lot of Green Lantern episodes

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so far, like against Nova, against Beta Ray
Bill, against Quasar, but this will be the

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toughest battle yet for a Green Lantern. I just
don't see how you stand a chance, that being

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said, I don't know a lot about White Lantern,
so let's go ahead and break down the characters'

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histories and abilities. But first, to explain
the methodology behind our duels, let's go

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to our sentient duel simulator Alfred Jarvis
9000. AJ9K, tell our listeners how you go about

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determining a winner in our duel matchups. Yes,
of course, sir. The way I determine a winner

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between the contestants is by running 1,000
Monte Carlo simulations using the characters'

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statistics. A Monte Carlo simulation is a probabilistic
model used to determine outcomes through random

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sampling. In this case, I randomise the statistics
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the many variables that can occur during battle.
The stat parameters are based on the official

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Marvel power grid from which the DC characters'
statistics are extrapolated. Additional stat

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categories are included such as range, damage
potential, versatility and perception in order

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to create a more detailed and accurate simulation.
The results of the 1000 simulations provide

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a percentage of wins for each character. The
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the victor as they have a higher probability
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neither character should win 100% of the matches.
The comic book stories have shown that there's

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even a way for Batman to defeat Superman. So
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with the precedents that have been established
in the source material. My mathematical simulations

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are without subjectivity or bias. Feats are
not the sole consideration, nor are fan votes

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tabulated for determination of the winner. Thanks
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we like to break down each character's histories
and abilities, before improvising a scenario

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on how we imagine one of the 1000 simulations
would play out beat for beat. And I think it's

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my turn to go first with the Marvel characters'
backstory, so let me go ahead and tell you

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all about Null. In a cosmic cycle of death and
rebirth, the Marvel universe expands from a

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cosmic singularity over billions of years until
it collapses in on itself to give birth to

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a new reality. Null, the primordial god of darkness,
was born of the void in the aftermath of the

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Marvel Multiverse's sixth iteration. Null drifted
through eternity, untouched by purpose, until

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the Celestials intruded, igniting the seventh
iteration of existence with their Light of

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Creation. This light, destined to shape a new
universe, pierced Null's realm of darkness,

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forcing him from solitude. With a hatred of
this invading brightness, Null resisted when

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the Celestials offered him a cosmic role to
serve as the counterpart to the Beyonders,

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known as the King in Black. he waged war upon
the Celestials with his power over the Primordial

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Void, determined to reclaim his kingdom of darkness.
In his defiance against the Celestials, Null

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crafted the first symbiote weapon, All Black,
the Necro Sword, forged from his living Abyss.

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With it, he decapitated the Celestial, causing
the other space gods to retaliate, casting

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him and the slain Celestial's severed head into
the void. Isolated but undeterred, Null repurposed

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the Celestial's head into a forge, using its
cosmic energies to empower his Necro Sword

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further and create his Symbiote Armor. In his
own likeness, Null began manifesting life from

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the darkness itself, experimenting with symbiotic
creatures and forming a hive mind that connected

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each creation to his own dark essence. With
his symbiote army at his command, Null clad

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himself in his symbiotic armor and set forth
on a genocidal crusade. destroying planets,

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extinguishing stars, and slaughtering any god
or creature that dared to dwell in the light.

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For eons, Null's dark empire grew, and his legend
spread through the cosmos as a figure of terror.

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His conquest drew the attention of a time-displaced
Silver Surfer, who attempted to free a world

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under Null's oppressive rule. The two clashed
in an intense battle, with Null successfully

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infecting the weakened surfer with a symbiote,
making him his Void Knight. Despite the setback,

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the Silver Surfer was freed by Ego the Living
Planet and used the last of his power cosmic

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to conjure a star, the blinding force of which
hurled Null across the cosmos, temporarily

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halting his rampage. Null recovered quickly,
however, and resumed his campaign against the

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light undeterred by the setbacks. As his terror
continued, Null encountered an army of gods

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empowered by the light of the Enigma Force and
clad in shining golden armor. Null slaughtered

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the entire army, save for one who struck a blow
through Null's head as Null impaled the Light

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God through the chest. Wounded, Null was discovered
by Gore, an alien mortal who stole All Black

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the Necro Sword, claiming it as his own. While
Null could have pursued the weapon, he instead

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allowed Gore to wield the All Black, recognizing
the mortal's vengeful heart as a mirror of

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his own hatred for the Light. As Null recovered
from his battle with the Light Gods, he observed

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Ghor's bloody rampage across the stars and took
satisfaction in the devastation wrought by

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his former blade, knowing that his influence
had once again seeped into the cosmos, spreading

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death in his stead. Null's reign resumed and
endured until an ill-fated invasion of Earth

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during the Middle Ages. One of his most terrifying
creations, a symbiote dragon named Grendel,

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arrived on the planet attempting to subjugate
its people. However, the young thunder god

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Thor rose to defend Earth, striking down the
Grendel with a lightning-charged blow. Thor's

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divine lightning energy shattered Null's connection
to his entire symbiote hive, scattering his

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creations across the universe and fracturing
his control over them. Free from Null's influence,

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the symbiotes began bonding with new hosts,
discovering the beauty and honor in light and

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life.

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binding him within a prison formed from their
own bodies, an artificial planet they called

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Klintar, which translates to cage in their language.
Though locked away, Null's dark will was not

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yet broken. In the centuries that followed,
he subtly influenced symbiote hosts and sent

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visions to the Church of the New Darkness, a
cult composed of the few who still remembered

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and revered his legend from the Middle Ages.
His presence began to stir when the international

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espionage organization, SHIELD, unearthed the
remnants of Grendel in modern times, using

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its symbiote essence to create super-soldiers
during the Vietnam War, including one commander,

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Rex Strickland, who was codenamed Tyrannosaurus
Rex. SHIELD's project reawakened Null's psychic

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link to the symbiotes, allowing him to exert
control over some of the soldiers, sparking

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conflict with a new generation of heroes, including
Eddie Brock, the host of the Venom symbiote.

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whom you can learn more about in our Clayface
vs Venom duel episode. Brock's battle with

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the Grendel and subsequent entanglement with
Null's cult followers only strengthened the

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symbiote god's hold over his long-lost creations.
Through a twisted ritual involving Carnage,

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Null's followers resurrected Cletus Kasady,
granting him godlike power with Null's influence.

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Together, Carnage and Null sought to collect
parts of the Codex, which was a residuel trace

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of the hive mind left by symbiotes in their
former hosts. By gathering the Codex, they

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hope to break the bonds of Klintar and release
Null once more. You can learn more about Carnage

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in his duel against Lobo. Carnage's bloody rampage
for the Codex brought Null ever closer to freedom,

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culminating in a showdown with Venom that left
Null completely reawakened. Breaking free of

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Klintar, he reassembled its fragmented symbiotes
into a horde of dragons and set off on a new

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campaign of terror, determined to claim Earth
and crush the light it represented. After reclaiming

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All Black the Necro Sword, he cut a path of
destruction across the cosmos, resuming his

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cosmic slaughter, conquering countless planets,
and even corrupting and assimilating his celestial

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gods into his army. Arriving in Earth's orbit,
Null set his sights on its mightiest heroes,

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brutally ripping the sentry in half and incorporating
the dark energy of the hero's void persona

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into himself. covering Earth in a sphere of
living darkness, Null imprisoned or corrupted

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heroes in a massive offensive, seeking out Eddie
Brock's young son, Dylan. Before the child

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was born, Dylan was influenced in the womb by
the codex of Anne Wang, his mother, who had

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once bonded with the Venom symbiote as She-Venom,
granting the child powers capable of countering

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Null and the symbiotes. Though Thor tried to
stop Null by using his divine lightning as

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he had Null himself proved too powerful and
unleashed his full might by sending his symbiote

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controlled celestials into battle, overpowering
the Thunder God. At the height of Null's invasion,

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the Silver Surfer came to Earth to help fight
his former foe, yet he was also overpowered.

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When Null seemed lost, Eddie Brock and Venom
were chosen as the avatar of the Enigma Force,

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temporarily becoming the hero known as Captain
Universe. Empowered by this opposite force,

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Venom gained the cosmic power to confront Null
directly. In that confrontation, Brock formed

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a battle axe merged from Thor's hammer Mjolnir
and the Silver Surfer's surfboard and launched

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an assault that stripped Null of his symbiotic
armor, leaving him vulnerable. With Null weakened,

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Venom carried the Dark Lord of the Abyss into
the sun, using the Unipower to destroy him

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in an eruption of light. With Null's death,
the symbiote hive mind found liberation and

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Venom was renamed the new King in Black. guiding
the symbiotes toward a new legacy of protection

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instead of conquest. In his final words, Null
cursed Venom, insisting that his darkness would

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one day return, and in fact, his consciousness
lived on, hidden as a codex within the symbiote

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hive-mite. Powers-wise, Null, as a primordial
entity of darkness, has power beyond most other

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Marvel characters. He can generate and manipulate
the eldritch void that he calls the Living

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Abyss. With it, he can control a parasitic darkness
that can enslave beings as powerful as Celestials

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and the Silver Surfer. From it, he can also
create living creatures of darkness, primarily

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dragons and symbiotes, some of which, like Grendel,
are powerful enough to destroy whole cities.

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Noel can also use the Living Gebess to create
weapons and armor, such as his nearly indestructible

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symbiote armor that he can reshape on his body
to form things like a helmet, or a cape, or

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a pair of dragon wings. He used the darkness
to forge All Black the Necro Sword, which was

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strong enough to kill a host of god-like beings,
including decapitating a Celestial, whose cosmic

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power he infused into the sword. All Black can
fire dark energy, create dark tendrils, and

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even shape-shift its form. Null is immensely
strong, with beyond class 100 level strength,

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he is durable enough to withstand Celestial
attacks, and has a regenerative healing factor

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derived from his living abyss. He can fly at
orbital speeds using his wings or a dragon

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mount, and he is an expert combatant with billions
of years of fighting experience and an expert

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strategist with eons of accumulated knowledge.
And that's null. So what you're telling me

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is that his weakness is light. What I'm telling
you is that even though his weakness is light,

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he has extinguished stars, he has killed light
gods, and he will straight up murder Kyle Rayner's

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ass and put him in a fridge. Just like his girlfriend.
Too soon, too soon! No, Null sounds pretty

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cool. I didn't know his Necro Sword was imbued
with cosmic energy. That's wild. Yeah, with

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the energy of a Celestial. What's the cooler
sword? The Necro Sword or Excelsior? Oh, Hulkling

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Sword? Yeah. By far, the Necro Sword. By far.
Yeah. Okay. It's not even a question. I saw

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what Gorr did with the Necro Sword. I didn't
see what Gorr did with the Necro Sword. I thought

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Hela had the Necro Sword essentially in the
MCU. No. Oh, if we're talking about the MCU,

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Gore wielded the all-black Necro Sword, but
it was very different from how it is in the

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comics. You're right, Hela's abilities in Thor
Ragnarok more closely matched the power of

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the Necro Sword. Still not as cool as wielding
a power ring, especially a white one. Ooh,

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jewelry. All right. But like the coolest jewelry.
You'll learn. You're going to learn today.

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Let me tell you all about the White Lantern
Kyle Raynor. At the beginning of the multiverse,

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when light and life first emerged, the life
entity was born and was the source of emotional

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entities, Aion, Parallax, Predator, Ophidian,
Butcher, Adara, and Proselyte. After battling

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the forces of Death and the Black, the entity
went into hibernation within Earth to regain

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its strength, with the earliest sentient race,
that would eventually be known as the Guardians

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of the Universe, hiding its existence to protect
it. Hundreds of millions of years later, Kyle

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Rayner was raised by a single mother, Mara Rayner,
in Los Angeles, California, as his father,

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Gabriel Vasquez, was a CIA agent who was forced
to abandon his family due to his line of work.

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Despite the lack of a father figure, Kyle channeled
his energy into art, eventually pursuing a

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career as a graphic artist. Though his creative
nature set him apart, he struggled financially.

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One random night, however, Kyle's life changed
forever when he was approached by a small blue

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alien named Gantlet, who was a guardian of the
universe from the planet Oa and a founder of

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the Green Lantern Corps Universal Peacekeeping
Force. Gantlet was the last of the Owens after

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the Green Lantern Corps' destruction, and was
on a mission to bestow the final remaining

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power ring to a new bearer. Without explanation,
Gantlet handed Kyle the ring before vanishing.

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Kyle tried on the ring, which instantly transformed
his clothing into the standard Green Lantern

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uniform. Realizing he'd been given incredible
powers, yet unsure what to do, Kyle showed

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the ring to his photographer girlfriend Alex
DeWitt, who encouraged him to become a superhero

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and change his uniform into one more creative
to set him apart from prior Green Lanterns.

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Before long, Kyle helped Superman defeat Mongol,
both sharing surprise at Kyle's ring's ability

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to affect the color yellow. a known flaw in
prior Green Lantern rings. You can learn more

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about Superman and Mongol in their respective
duels against Dr. Doom and Nihilus. As Kyle

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continued to train and learn more about his
new powers, tragedy struck when he returned

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home one day to find Alex murdered and her body
gruesomely stuffed into a refrigerator by the

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villain Major Force. Enraged and grief-stricken,
Kyle confronted Major Force, who had operated

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under a shadow a Green Lantern power battery,
capable of recharging a Green Lantern ring.

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After recovering the battery and recharging
his ring, Kyle chose not to kill Major Force,

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despite his rage, as he knew Alex would have
wanted him to make the heroic decision, and

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he was inspired to fully embrace his role as
a hero and a Green Lantern. Over time, Kyle

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became known throughout the superhero community,
forging friendships with other heroes like

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Connor Hawk, Wally West, and Donna Troy. the
latter two of whom you can learn more about

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in their duels against Speedball and She-Hulk.
After joining the Justice League, Kyle eventually

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encountered Hal Jordan, his Green Lantern predecessor
and destroyer of the Green Lantern Corps, who

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had become a nigh-omnipotent villain known as
Parallax. When Parallax attempted to reshape

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time and reality, Kyle was forced to sacrifice
the planet Oa to stop him. Upon Kyle's return

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to Earth, he settled in New York City, where
he became friends with the former Green Lantern,

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Guy Gardner, and he met Jade, the daughter of
another former Green Lantern, Ellen Scott,

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who you can learn more about in our Green Lantern
vs Iceman duel. As Kyle's romantic relationship

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with Jade developed, he faced new enemies such
as Fatality, Sonar, Nero, and Oblivion, the

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latter of which was a manifestation of his own
inner turmoil and fears. Upon realizing the

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nature of Oblivion, Kyle confronted and overcame
this dark aspect of himself, allowing him to

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tap into his full power potential and transform
into Ion, a being of near limitless power.

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As Ion, Kyle was able to cure the former Green
Lantern Jon Stewart's paralysis, and even restore

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the planet Oa and the Guardians of the Universe.
In a selfless act, Kyle sacrificed the last

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of his omnipotence to reignite Oa's central
power battery, allowing for the recreation

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of the Green Lantern core and earning him the
honorary title of Torchbearer. in recognition

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of his dedication to the Green Lantern mission
and legacy. When Kyle was led to believe that

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Major Force killed his mother, Mara, Kyle decapitated
the villain before flinging his head into space.

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Fearing he had become a danger to those he loved,
Kyle left Earth and ventured into the cosmos,

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where he discovered Hell Jordan's body and unearthed
the truth behind Hell's actions, that Hell

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had been possessed by Parallax. a powerful parasitic
entity representing fear, which had driven

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him to madness and destruction. Armed with this
revelation, Kyle returned Hell's body to Earth

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and helped exercise Parallax from Hal, successfully
restoring Hal as a Green Lantern. You can learn

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more about Hal in our Green Lantern vs Nova
episode. It was later revealed that Sinestro

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was the one responsible for Mara's death in
an effort to break Kyle's will so that he could

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serve as the new host for Parallax. Though Kyle
became Parallax for a time, he was able to

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break free of the Entity's control with the
help from Held Jordan, and he was later inducted

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into the Green Lantern Corps' Honor Guard, where
he developed a relationship with Sinestro's

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daughter and fellow Green Lantern, Sora Nick
Natu. During the events of Blackest Night when

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the dead across the universe were resurrected
as Black Lanterns, Kyle sacrificed his life

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to protect his fellow Green Lanterns. As Black
Rings attempted to turn Kyle into a Black Lantern,

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members of the Indigo Tribe and Star Sapphires
intervened and managed to bring Kyle back to

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life. After facing a resurrected Black Lantern
version of his former lover, Alyx, Kyle and

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the other Green Lanterns managed to repel the
Black Lantern army and defeat its leader, Necron,

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the personification of death, when Sinestro
managed to awaken and bond with the life entity

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within the Earth. becoming a white lantern.
You can learn more about Sinestro in our Sinestro

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vs Magneto duel episode. When a rogue Owen known
as Corona trapped Parallax within the Green

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Lantern's central power battery, allowing him
to take control of the Green Lantern core,

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Kyle became a blue lantern for a time. In the
altered reality following Flashpoint, Kyle

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was chosen to wield power rings from each color
of the emotional spectrum, including red rage,

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orange avarice, yellow fear, and Green Willpower,
Blue Hope, Indigo Compassion, and Violet Love,

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resulting in his transformation into a White
Lantern. With each ring, Kyle underwent intensive

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training, mastering the abilities of each color,
a journey that eventually led him to wield

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the White Light of Life, enabling him to tap
into every emotion and power associated with

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the spectrum. As a White Lantern, Kyle faced
unprecedented threats, including the rise of

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the Third Army. a force created by the Guardians
to replace the Green Lantern Corps. With the

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Third Army's ability to infect and transform
others into soulless soldiers for the Guardians,

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Kyle worked alongside other Lanterns to destroy
the Third Army and stop the Guardians. During

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this period, Kyle became instrumental in the
battle against Relic, a scientist from a previous

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universe who sought to drain the emotional spectrum's
energy, believing that its depletion was inevitable.

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Kyle and other lanterns attempted to stop Relic,
but his knowledge of the Spectrum's mechanics

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made him a formidable opponent. Relic's attack
led Kyle to confront the Source Wall, a boundary

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at the edge of the universe. In a final bid
to stop Relic, Kyle passed through the Source

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Wall, a feat that no one had survived, and one
that restored each of the emotional entities.

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Although the universe believed him dead, Kyle
eventually re-emerged from the other side,

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forever changed by the experience and equipped
with new cosmic insights. Upon his return,

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Kyle's powers as a White Lantern grew, allowing
him to wield life energy at an unparalleled

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level. His unique role drew the attention of
the new gods, led by Highfather, who sought

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to harness the life equation now within Kyle
to create a weapon that would kill Darkseid.

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Highfather manipulated Kyle in an attempt to
forcefully sever his connection to the Kyle

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resisted, however, and ultimately joined forces
with other lanterns and allies to prevent Highfather's

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plans, as it would have resulted in the deaths
of billions. Realizing that his power could

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easily become a target, Kyle made the difficult
decision to distribute the White Light among

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a select group, forming a small, white lantern
core dedicated to safeguarding life. Kyle's

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duties as a white lantern extended beyond traditional
heroics. He used his power to heal and rebuild

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worlds devastated by conflict, guiding civilizations
in need, and providing them with the means

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to prosper. His new status also introduced him
to beings across the universe who sought the

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White Lantern's influence, from the Guardians
to cosmic entities intrigued by his ability

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to channel life itself. This journey taught
Kyle a new level of responsibility as he grappled

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with the implications of holding the life equation
and the ethical dilemmas it posed. Balancing

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the interests of various cosmic powers, Kyle
carefully navigated his position as a force

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of creation, ensuring that his actions served
the greater good. After helping the Omega Men

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overthrow the tyrannical rulers of the Vegas
system, Kyle was summoned by some of his Owen

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allies to help resurrect Hal Jordan, who had
died. Successfully doing so, Kyle then attempted

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to resurrect the entirety of the Blue Lantern

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and Kyle returned to being a Green Lantern once
again. But for this match, Kyle will luckily

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be in full-on White Lantern mode, as he's one
of the few beings in existence capable of wielding

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each color of the emotional power spectrum in
DC Comics. These capabilities include indestructible

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construct generation, allowing Kyle to manifest
anything he can imagine in any solid color

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he chooses except for black. He could also detect
and instill emotions in others as well as fly,

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teleport himself and others across the universe,
see others' memories, and heal himself and

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others even from fatal wounds. And unlike other
power rings, his ring requires no charge as

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long as he's cultivating life with it. And that's
Kylo Renner. Well, trust me, Kylo Renner will

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not be cultivating any sort of life while in
battle against Null, the King in Black. All

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he's going to be doing is fighting, so I feel
like he's just going to run out of energy eventually.

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Yeah, no, that's not going to happen. Especially
when Kylo Renner is just going to make short

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work of Vel. Oh, you think so, huh? I do, in
fact. Well, let's find out then. All right.

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Come at me, bro.

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Now that we've got their histories and abilities
out of the way, let's speculate on how one

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of the 1000 simulated matches will go. The winner
is determined by simulations, not this speculation,

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but it's fun to imagine how this fight could
play out. AJ9K, what are the rules of our speculation?

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Well, I should say there are no rules, other
than the characters have no prior knowledge

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of the other going into the fight. All they
are aware of starting out is that the other

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character is a threat that needs to be eliminated.
For the speculation, the contestants will begin

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approximately 50 meters apart in a non-descript
environment that will have no bearing on the

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match itself, as no environmental statistics
are considered in my simulations. The contestants

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must earn victory on their own merit. Alright
then let's get into it. White Lantern and Null

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meet on the battlefield. Who goes first? I'm
going to say that Kyle starts off, you know,

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he's going to see Null's Necro Sword, and in
response he's going to create like a giant...

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futuristic lightsaber version of the Buster
Sword, you know, Cloud's weapon from Final

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Fantasy. Basically just a big ass lightsaber.
Alright, uh, Null's gonna see this and like,

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he's gonna tell White Lantern that he's gonna
slit his throat and choke out the stars with

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his blood. And Kyle's gonna be like, okay, not
a Star Wars fan, I guess. More of a Star Trek

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guy, apparently. And that's when he's gonna
lift his giant lightsaber sword straight into

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the air and just slash downward towards Null.
It's gonna emit this vertical wave of pure

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light energy that's gonna slash Null right in
half. No, because White Lantern's massively

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telegraphing with his big-ass sword swinging
downward and everything, so Null's gonna be

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ready. He's gonna unleash a giant symbiote dragon
that serves as a shield to protect him. The

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wave of light is gonna evaporate the dragon
from existence, but as it does that, we see

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Null riding another symbiote dragon like a steed,
and he's just gonna charge full on White Lantern,

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and charging along with Null and his dragon
are gonna be like a hundred symbiote tendrils,

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okay? And each one of those tendrils has a mouth
at the end with sharp teeth. Basically, they

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just like pass over White Lantern like a cavalry
running over a foot and they just devour him

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to small bits as they pass. So I just imagine
this as him like riding like a black wave of

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like ink and teeth. Yeah, pretty much. That's
kind of cool. But I'm going to say when Kyle

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sees Noel charging, get him like a Lancer. He's
going to create a massive energy cannon in

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the shape of like a lion mech robot that shoots
light energy from its mouth. And he's going

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to blast Noel and his dragon. with this white
hot energy beam. And alongside Kyle are gonna

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be four other mech lions, which are focused
on shooting down all of the individuel symbiote

541
00:50:06,908 --> 00:50:14,290
tendrils. So, all right, the lion cannon destroys
the symbiote dragon, but Null's gonna leap

542
00:50:14,430 --> 00:50:19,652
off of it in time to avoid the blast himself.
And from the symbiote armor, he's gonna sprout

543
00:50:19,732 --> 00:50:26,018
giant dragon wings of his own, and he's gonna
just continue on swooping in. and ramming his

544
00:50:26,058 --> 00:50:31,640
necro sword through White Lantern, impaling
him like Vlad the Impaler. Uh, alright, so,

545
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:38,423
Kyle, I guess he gets impaled through his chest,
but that's when a spinning energy saw blade

546
00:50:38,543 --> 00:50:44,385
just comes down and slices the necro sword blade
off, like, at the hilt. And while it spins

547
00:50:44,425 --> 00:50:50,168
through the air around Null, just carving chunks
of his armor off, Kyle's gonna pull the necro

548
00:50:50,188 --> 00:50:55,630
blade out of his chest, and just overload it
with white light until it vanishes. and then

549
00:50:55,690 --> 00:51:01,711
he's gonna heal his chest wound while Null is
still distracted by the saw blade. Okay, it

550
00:51:01,731 --> 00:51:08,473
would take an insanely powerful attack to break
the Necro Sword, okay? Because it's not only

551
00:51:08,733 --> 00:51:15,335
supremely powerful, it's also imbued with the
power of a Celestial. Yeah, and? I guess I'll

552
00:51:15,355 --> 00:51:21,057
allow it since White Lantern seems pretty powerful
with his light-based attacks, but like, that

553
00:51:21,077 --> 00:51:26,631
wouldn't even matter because Null has... created
a new all-black necro sword before. And maybe

554
00:51:26,671 --> 00:51:31,773
this one's not quite as powerful, but it's not
like the sword is the source of his living

555
00:51:31,813 --> 00:51:37,735
abyss powers. So while White Lantern is healing,
Null is just gonna conjure a new sword from

556
00:51:37,775 --> 00:51:44,978
the hilt of his old one, and then create like
a giant clawed symbiote hand that like swats

557
00:51:45,078 --> 00:51:50,200
the energy saw blade away and snatches up White
Lantern in its grasp, just crushing him to

558
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:57,185
death in like this Iron Maiden pointy. grip?
Well, not really, because as the Iron Maiden

559
00:51:57,225 --> 00:52:04,331
grip tightens, you know, Kyle's light aura is
going to solidify and expand into this protective

560
00:52:04,391 --> 00:52:10,596
sphere. And as Kyle's pushing back against the
darkness, that's when he's going to yell, let's

561
00:52:10,636 --> 00:52:15,921
go Voltron force. And that's when his five lion
mecha's that he created transform around him

562
00:52:15,941 --> 00:52:24,346
into a giant mecha robot. I figured that was
His giant mecha is gonna slam his palm down

563
00:52:24,486 --> 00:52:30,308
onto Null and just splatter him everywhere.
No, cause when the giant Voltron robot slams

564
00:52:30,368 --> 00:52:36,850
his hand down, it's gonna slam onto a giant
spike. Like this spire that Null has erupted

565
00:52:36,870 --> 00:52:43,872
from the ground beside him. And from the spire
is gonna leak this black symbiotic ooze that

566
00:52:43,952 --> 00:52:49,533
rushes all over the Voltron bot, just taking
it over and transforming Voltron into like

567
00:52:49,573 --> 00:52:55,786
this giant- Horned demon monster type thing
and the living abyss is also gonna seep into

568
00:52:55,826 --> 00:53:01,250
white lanterns control room area Inside the
robot and take him over to just enslaving white

569
00:53:01,291 --> 00:53:07,436
lantern to the will of null and making him his
new Void knight just like null did with the

570
00:53:07,476 --> 00:53:13,961
silver surfer. So this match is over No, no,
cuz let's say as the giant mecha is being taken

571
00:53:14,061 --> 00:53:21,427
over That's when the mecha is white light turns
bright indigo and its energy instills within

572
00:53:21,487 --> 00:53:27,352
Null this very strong sense of compassion, causing
him to, you know, summon the darkness back

573
00:53:27,392 --> 00:53:34,859
to him. So while Null is having this very sensitive
moment, that's when Kyle expands a white dwarf

574
00:53:34,899 --> 00:53:42,226
star within Null's head, obliterating him and
his symbiote armor into nothingness. Wow. Okay.

575
00:53:43,787 --> 00:53:50,728
Well, anyone who's ever tried to... Psychically
or empathically affect null they're just exposed

576
00:53:50,768 --> 00:53:55,191
to the void that is his essence essentially
it doesn't go well for them They basically

577
00:53:55,231 --> 00:54:01,196
become catatonic So I'm gonna say that's what
happens to white lantern when he tries to manipulate

578
00:54:01,296 --> 00:54:06,659
nulls emotions But it's not like Kyle's mind
is connected to his you know empathic powers

579
00:54:06,699 --> 00:54:13,024
his emotional influence powers Okay, like even
if white lantern was successful in killing

580
00:54:13,084 --> 00:54:18,359
null with a white dwarf star inside his head
Kyle was assimilated, even if briefly, which

581
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:25,485
means that he's now part of the Symbiote Hivemind
as a codex that Null's consciousness can still

582
00:54:25,505 --> 00:54:31,750
have influence over even after his quote unquote
death. So like White Lantern thinks he's won,

583
00:54:32,151 --> 00:54:38,896
but suddenly Kyle's white ring turns black with
like a red spiral on it and he becomes a black

584
00:54:38,936 --> 00:54:48,283
lantern under Null's control. So Null still
wins no matter what. Null's dead, Kyle is alive,

585
00:54:48,583 --> 00:54:54,845
and you think Null wins? Yes, because at the
end, Null's consciousness is in his ring controlling

586
00:54:54,885 --> 00:55:01,208
him. Pretty sure that's not how this works.
Null's dead, Kyle's alive, match over. I think

587
00:55:01,228 --> 00:55:06,270
what you mean to say is that no matter what
happens, Null wins either way. Either White

588
00:55:06,290 --> 00:55:12,072
Lantern becomes assimilated, or he dies, or
he comes under Null's control, so yeah. So

589
00:55:12,112 --> 00:55:16,515
many ways for Null to win this, you're screwed.
Well let's take it to the stats then. Sure!

590
00:55:16,795 --> 00:55:23,080
Alright, yeah let's input them, run the simulations,
and get the results. AG9K, hit it! Inputting

591
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:29,705
data. Running calculations. Processing results.
Simulations complete. This was a damn good

592
00:55:29,725 --> 00:55:34,489
match you guys. Man their stats were just so
freaking powerful. I don't see how any other

593
00:55:34,509 --> 00:55:39,253
character would be able to go up against these
guys. Both White Lantern and Null statistically

594
00:55:39,293 --> 00:55:46,278
were maxed out. in their durability, their strength,
their damage level, their range. We did say

595
00:55:46,298 --> 00:55:50,902
that White Lantern was a little bit faster because
he can essentially teleport across the entire

596
00:55:50,982 --> 00:55:56,086
universe, whereas Null has to, you know, like
travel through the universe. Yeah, we also

597
00:55:56,106 --> 00:56:01,670
said that White Lantern was slightly more versatile
than Null because the guy's, you know, a freaking

598
00:56:01,770 --> 00:56:07,618
White Lantern. Yeah, he does have control over
the entire spectrum, you know. whereas Null

599
00:56:07,698 --> 00:56:12,621
sticks to his living abyss and darkness motif,
so he doesn't have quite as many tricks up

600
00:56:12,641 --> 00:56:18,705
his sleeve. But we did say that Null was more
intelligent than Kyle and a better fighter.

601
00:56:19,125 --> 00:56:24,568
But Kyle rated higher when it came to evasiveness
because he's more prone to creating force fields.

602
00:56:25,108 --> 00:56:30,412
The interesting stat here I thought was perception,
because White Lantern has the ability to detect

603
00:56:30,572 --> 00:56:34,766
emotions across the universe and hone in on
them and stuff like that. But Null is also

604
00:56:34,806 --> 00:56:39,708
connected to his symbiotes around the universe.
So he can kind of like manifest an avatar of

605
00:56:39,728 --> 00:56:44,990
himself through those beings that he's created.
But also through the symbiote Hivemind, anyone

606
00:56:45,030 --> 00:56:50,092
who's come into contact with the symbiote, a
copy of their brain is basically uploaded to

607
00:56:50,132 --> 00:56:54,774
the Hivemind as a codex. So he has access to
all that information as well. Which is wild.

608
00:56:55,195 --> 00:56:59,597
Honestly, both of these characters are really
cool. Like, I feel like the White Lantern Ring

609
00:56:59,637 --> 00:57:05,128
is the ultimate weapon in DC. and the Necro
Sword is like the ultimate weapon in Marvel.

610
00:57:05,649 --> 00:57:11,193
Again, really close matchup. I would say that
the Necro Sword is probably secondary to the

611
00:57:11,213 --> 00:57:15,157
Infinity Gauntlet, which is the ultimate weapon
in Marvel and would totally stomp all over

612
00:57:15,257 --> 00:57:19,220
a white lantern ring, but that's neither here
nor there. It's also cheating. I'm talking

613
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:24,125
about like a real weapon, not like a cheater's
weapon. Okay, okay. Oh, I could do anything,

614
00:57:24,145 --> 00:57:29,309
ah. Considering all these stats, Jonathan, who
do you think is gonna be the winner of this

615
00:57:29,329 --> 00:57:33,750
match? Well, White Lantern for sure. The stats
are really close, but I think he'll come out

616
00:57:33,791 --> 00:57:39,092
on top. Now, Instagram disagrees with me. The
poll is fresh. Like it definitely hasn't hit

617
00:57:39,132 --> 00:57:45,954
the full 24 hours, but it looks like Null has
a pretty strong lead at the start with a 62%

618
00:57:45,974 --> 00:57:50,535
favorability amongst our Instagram poll takers.
Well, let's see if they're right. I think they're

619
00:57:50,575 --> 00:58:02,090
right. AG9K, the results, please. Hey, Yuasa.
OK, the winner between White Lantern, and Null,

620
00:58:02,351 --> 00:58:14,357
the king in black, is... White's Lantern. Yes!
What? Yes! Really? Who is this guy? Uh, motherfucking

621
00:58:14,437 --> 00:58:22,081
Kyle Rayner, my boy. I don't know what this
shit is, but uh, White Lantern won 522 matches

622
00:58:22,242 --> 00:58:30,786
out of the 1000 simulations, whereas Null only
won 478. In the end, really, It was White Lantern's

623
00:58:30,846 --> 00:58:38,609
versatility, his speed, and the fact that Null
is vulnerable to light-based attacks that really

624
00:58:38,649 --> 00:58:43,792
put him over the edge. Even though Null has
proven to be extremely resilient against things

625
00:58:43,812 --> 00:58:49,074
like the Power Cosmic and Thor's lightning,
it's those things that do him in. That's right!

626
00:58:49,314 --> 00:58:55,196
That's right! So proud of my boy Kyle, he's
been my boy since the 90s. Null is just new

627
00:58:55,497 --> 00:59:00,947
and lame, and this podcast proves it. Null is
definitely one of the better new characters

628
00:59:00,987 --> 00:59:05,830
that Marvel has produced over the past decade
or so. Definitely the best villain. I hope

629
00:59:05,890 --> 00:59:10,193
people who are new to the character at least
got that impression through his backstory and

630
00:59:10,233 --> 00:59:14,816
his powers and everything like that. He really
didn't deserve to go down like this to some

631
00:59:14,876 --> 00:59:19,619
punk-ass kid named Kyle. I mean, really? I just
feel like Cartman right now. I just want to

632
00:59:19,639 --> 00:59:26,400
be like, shut up, Kyle! You shut your mouth,
fatass! Null is definitely not a Cartman. He's

633
00:59:26,420 --> 00:59:30,527
like one of the skinniest characters out there.
He's like Slenderman but with long hair. Kinda,

634
00:59:30,587 --> 00:59:35,174
and you know, just badass powers and shit. Anyway,
that is it for this duel guys. Let's get this

635
00:59:35,214 --> 00:59:42,088
over with. AJ9K, help close this out. Thanks
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636
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641
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:17,003
Agatha all along season one. I actually haven't
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642
01:00:17,023 --> 01:00:22,067
to binge it. So it'd be fresh in my mind as
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643
01:00:22,107 --> 01:00:27,210
on pins and needles to start this thing. I cannot
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644
01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:32,894
but I'm not looking forward to the show at all.
I heard it's really good. Sure, we'll find

645
01:00:32,994 --> 01:00:37,257
out. Oh, you're going to find out. Yeah. You're
going to fuck around and find out. I don't

646
01:00:37,277 --> 01:00:42,811
know what that means. But yeah, with that for
this episode, we want to give a big thanks

647
01:00:42,831 --> 01:00:47,413
to our executive producers Ken Johnson, John
Swarovski, Zachary Hepburn, Dustin Balcom,

648
01:00:47,573 --> 01:00:52,595
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649
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650
01:00:58,738 --> 01:01:03,479
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651
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:11,610
guys next week. Up up and away, true believers.
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652
01:01:11,651 --> 01:01:14,037
on my piano keyboard. Oh lord, why don't we?