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And again, visit dynamicduel.com 9 00:00:45,883 --> 00:00:49,345 and click on the store button. Thanks guys, on with the show. 10 00:01:10,314 --> 00:01:15,737 Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly show where we review superhero films and debate the superiority 11 00:01:15,757 --> 00:01:21,701 between Marvel and DC by comparing their characters and stat-based battle simulations. I'm Johnny 12 00:01:21,721 --> 00:01:28,026 DC. And I'm his twin brother Marvelous Joe. And in this episode, we are doing a duel between 13 00:01:28,046 --> 00:01:33,209 the Batman street level mobster villain Black Mask and the high tech mafia queen, Madame 14 00:01:33,289 --> 00:01:37,512 Mask from Marvel. Yeah, she's primarily an Iron Man villain, but she's also been a prominent 15 00:01:37,532 --> 00:01:43,012 villain for like Kate Bishop Hawkeye. Of course, the stool is a tie-in to the Penguin review 16 00:01:43,032 --> 00:01:48,295 that we did last week, because Black Mask is a Batman villain that fits into that crime 17 00:01:48,375 --> 00:01:52,138 mobster type world. That's right. And we're going to find out who's going to win between 18 00:01:52,178 --> 00:01:55,600 those two characters later on in this episode. Before that, we're going to break down the 19 00:01:55,620 --> 00:02:00,464 comic book movie news from the past week, of which there was finally some DC news. We learned 20 00:02:00,524 --> 00:02:07,809 that a Sergeant Rock film is in development with Luca Guadagnino and Daniel Craig. You 21 00:02:07,969 --> 00:02:13,508 son of a bitch. James Bond himself! You'd love to see it! All these Bond actors working for 22 00:02:13,568 --> 00:02:17,510 DC, I just don't understand it, but we'll talk about it later on. I guess I can't really call 23 00:02:17,530 --> 00:02:23,253 you a son of a bitch without Diss and Mom, so... Yeah. I retract that last statement. Yay, you! 24 00:02:23,273 --> 00:02:28,476 Love you, Mom! As always, guys, we list our segment times in our episode description, so 25 00:02:28,496 --> 00:02:32,498 feel free to check out the show notes if you want to skip ahead to a particular topic. Our 26 00:02:32,619 --> 00:02:37,821 artificially intelligent duel simulator, AJ9K, has a quick message for our listeners, so listen 27 00:02:37,881 --> 00:02:44,825 up. Why hello there, do you want even more from this podcast? Then become a part of the dynamic 28 00:02:44,865 --> 00:02:49,930 duel community on Patreon, where you can choose from three tiers. The dynamic two-oh tier gives 29 00:02:49,950 --> 00:02:54,874 you access to our Discord chat server. 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And especially thank you to not only. patrons and executive 36 00:03:29,434 --> 00:03:33,777 producers of the show, but also members of the DynaMic Podcast Network, another set of awesome 37 00:03:33,857 --> 00:03:39,620 twins, Scott and Gil Camacho. It was their birthday this past week. Happy birthday, guys. Gil, 38 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,882 if I could get you any gift from Marvel for your birthday, I would get you a gamma bomb 39 00:03:43,902 --> 00:03:49,105 because you could use it to get the powers of the Hulk and then you'd be frigging the Hulk. 40 00:03:49,125 --> 00:03:54,068 So yeah, that'd be awesome. Wait, you're saying you want to blow him up? What? No, no, no. 41 00:03:54,528 --> 00:03:57,950 You just get bombarded by the radiation. You know how it goes. You know how it goes. Damn, 42 00:03:57,990 --> 00:04:03,755 tell Gilly how you really feel. No, it's fine. He just has to detonate it from a safe distance. 43 00:04:04,296 --> 00:04:11,043 Okay, sure. And I will get Scotty, the DC fan, and the superior twin, the Batcave. Specifically, 44 00:04:11,083 --> 00:04:15,447 the trophy room area for you to store all of your cool collectible stuff. Yeah, that's not 45 00:04:15,487 --> 00:04:20,192 as cool as Hulk powers, so I think Gilly won out here. It's cooler than being blown up by 46 00:04:20,232 --> 00:04:27,360 a bomb. Ha ha ha. Thanks, Gillie and Scotty, so much for being as cool as you are, and again, 47 00:04:27,380 --> 00:04:32,164 happy birthday. But speaking of Scotty and Gillie, be sure to tune in to their show on the DynaMic 48 00:04:32,204 --> 00:04:37,148 podcast network, Max Destruction, which pits your favorite action heroes from film and television 49 00:04:37,229 --> 00:04:42,313 against each other. Both hosts are taking a short break for the holidays, so this is the 50 00:04:42,373 --> 00:04:47,137 perfect time to get caught up on their back catalog of episodes if you've missed any. On 51 00:04:47,177 --> 00:04:51,861 the Senjou World podcast, host Zachary Hepburn speculates on fights between fan favorite anime 52 00:04:51,881 --> 00:04:57,211 and manga characters. Zach is back with an all new episode this week. He's going to pick Kaido, 53 00:04:57,251 --> 00:05:03,452 the king of beasts from One Piece against AcnoLogia, the dragon king from Fairy Tale. And on the 54 00:05:03,492 --> 00:05:09,114 console, combat podcast hosts John and Dean simile battles between popular video game characters. 55 00:05:09,534 --> 00:05:14,816 In yesterday's episode, they found out who would win between Astro Bot and Sackboy from Little 56 00:05:14,856 --> 00:05:19,737 Big Planet. Visit dynamicpodcasts.com or click the link in our show notes to listen to all 57 00:05:19,757 --> 00:05:24,398 the shows and the DynaMic Podcast Network. But with that out of the way, quick to the 58 00:05:24,438 --> 00:05:30,680 No Prize! A No Prize is an award Marvel used to give out to fans. Our version, the Dynamic 59 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:35,081 Duel No Prize, is a digital award we post on Instagram for the person that we feel gave 60 00:05:35,121 --> 00:05:39,802 the best answer to our question of the week. Last week, we asked you guys, what has been 61 00:05:39,842 --> 00:05:45,684 your favorite animated Marvel or DC project of all time and why? And this was coming off 62 00:05:45,764 --> 00:05:50,825 of the first official trailer that we got for What If Season 3, which is coming out in just 63 00:05:50,885 --> 00:05:55,147 a few weeks. We got a lot of great answers and actually a lot of people gave the same answer. 64 00:05:55,387 --> 00:05:59,909 So it was really hard to pick winners this time around, but we have three honorable mentions 65 00:05:59,949 --> 00:06:06,191 as well as the no prize winner. Our first honorable mention goes to Cyrus Moore who said, Hey guys, 66 00:06:06,251 --> 00:06:12,174 Cyrus Moore here. My favorite animated show of all time will always be Young Justice. I 67 00:06:12,234 --> 00:06:19,437 grew up as a kid watching it all the time, very religiously, the action in it's phenomenal. 68 00:06:19,457 --> 00:06:25,701 The storylines phenomenal. the romance between Miss Martian and Superboy, just everything 69 00:06:25,741 --> 00:06:30,626 about that TV show is captivating. It's got something for everybody and everybody should 70 00:06:30,646 --> 00:06:35,530 love that show. Yeah, Young Justice, it's a fantastic show. All of the seasons have just 71 00:06:35,550 --> 00:06:40,494 gotten better one after the other. The world building that they do in this show as its own 72 00:06:40,775 --> 00:06:46,980 Young Justice universe is phenomenal and totally ranks right up there with other large ensemble 73 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:52,010 shows like Justice League. Yeah, apparently Young Justice is so good that two other people 74 00:06:52,050 --> 00:06:57,232 gave the same answer, including Scott Camacho and Mickey Mantlingian. Apparently I need to 75 00:06:57,272 --> 00:07:02,233 start watching Young Justice. Yeah, we've never reviewed it on this show because the episode 76 00:07:02,273 --> 00:07:07,695 count and the seasons are so long and it hasn't consistently been released on any platform, 77 00:07:08,175 --> 00:07:12,876 but maybe if they make another season we will. We'll see. Great answer, Cyrus. Our next honorable 78 00:07:12,916 --> 00:07:21,263 mention goes to Mason Thompson. Who said? Hey guys, I think. My favorite animated project 79 00:07:21,303 --> 00:07:27,806 from Marvel DC is gonna have to be Batman Beyond because I think they just took so many cool 80 00:07:27,846 --> 00:07:34,529 concepts With like future Batman villains. It was just awesome. I think that it was ahead 81 00:07:34,549 --> 00:07:40,791 of its time literally Get it get it. Alright. See ya. The whispering notwithstanding Batman 82 00:07:40,831 --> 00:07:44,133 Beyond is a great answer. Yeah, I feel like we're being trolled with the whispering by 83 00:07:44,173 --> 00:07:51,407 this point I loved Batman Beyond. I still remember as a kid watching the premiere of that show 84 00:07:51,767 --> 00:07:56,008 and just loving everything about it. I thought it was the coolest show that had ever been 85 00:07:56,048 --> 00:08:01,690 made. And it may have been, in fact. In terms of just cool factor, yeah, I would have to 86 00:08:01,710 --> 00:08:07,272 agree with you. It was such a cool concept. Like this super high-tech futuristic Batman 87 00:08:07,672 --> 00:08:14,510 as a young guy but still being able to fit Bruce Wayne into the story, like every episode. There 88 00:08:14,550 --> 00:08:20,196 are a lot of future versions of Batman, like the Dark Knight, but Batman Beyond may be my 89 00:08:20,236 --> 00:08:25,823 favorite. Yeah, we did a duel episode with Batman Beyond against Spider-Man 2099, so if you're 90 00:08:25,843 --> 00:08:29,647 interested in those characters, definitely check out that duel episode, because that was a lot 91 00:08:29,687 --> 00:08:34,833 of fun. Great answer, Mason Thompson. Our next honorable mention goes to Travis Herndon, who 92 00:08:34,873 --> 00:08:39,539 said... What's up Dynamin' Dudes, Travis here, shout out to my Able Twins. So my answer would 93 00:08:39,579 --> 00:08:46,281 have to be the Hope vs Wolverine animated movie. I think that movie was cool, it was bloody, 94 00:08:46,421 --> 00:08:52,123 it had a badass fight between these two legendary characters. Nolan North as Deadpool was awesome, 95 00:08:52,623 --> 00:08:58,965 and honestly, I'm hoping that we get something like this within the MCU one day between Wolverine 96 00:08:59,045 --> 00:09:05,275 and the more savage Hulk. Yet we nearly reviewed Hulk vs. and lead up to the Deadpool and Wolverine 97 00:09:05,295 --> 00:09:10,278 movie that came out during the summer because of course the Hulk vs. famously has a Deadpool 98 00:09:10,298 --> 00:09:16,420 vs. Wolverine fight scene in addition to Hulk vs. Wolverine and also packaged with that film 99 00:09:16,700 --> 00:09:21,442 if you can find that film anywhere in cheese is Thor vs. Hulk. I think the only reason we 100 00:09:21,542 --> 00:09:27,585 didn't end up reviewing Hulk vs. was because it was not easily findable outside of the Blu-ray 101 00:09:27,625 --> 00:09:32,976 or DVD media. Yeah, I've never seen Hulk versus I've heard great things, but the fact that 102 00:09:33,016 --> 00:09:38,399 Marvel can't respect their own characters and projects enough to have available for streamers 103 00:09:38,779 --> 00:09:43,422 on any kind of streaming platform just shows you how sucky Marvel is. Well, you would think 104 00:09:43,442 --> 00:09:48,224 it would be on Disney Plus, right? But it's not. I wonder why. I think because Universal 105 00:09:48,284 --> 00:09:53,908 co-owns the film rights to the Hulk, so that might be it. Or at least they did, but it might 106 00:09:53,928 --> 00:09:58,158 have something to do with that. Gotcha, that actually makes a lot of sense. We want to give 107 00:09:58,178 --> 00:10:03,159 a quick shout out to Peter Troll, who gave the answer of Spectacular Spider-Man and to Colby 108 00:10:03,199 --> 00:10:08,941 Hentges and Gil Camacho, who both answered with X-Men, the animated series and X-Men 97. But 109 00:10:08,981 --> 00:10:16,323 the winner of this week's No Prize is Mike Williams, who said, Best animated DC would have to be 110 00:10:16,843 --> 00:10:22,965 Justice League and Justice League Unlimited. Great stories and great way to inculcate other 111 00:10:23,005 --> 00:10:29,207 characters. As far as Marvel, I would have to go with X-Men and X-Men 97. Really like the 112 00:10:29,267 --> 00:10:34,310 animation drawings and the storylines they presented there. And as always, make mine Marvel. Take 113 00:10:34,510 --> 00:10:41,013 care. Yeah, Justice League Unlimited is like peak Bruce Tim universe. It introduced us to 114 00:10:41,153 --> 00:10:46,236 so many characters that a lot of the public isn't familiar with, but as comic fans, I just 115 00:10:46,376 --> 00:10:51,179 loved seeing all of them. It was a great episodic series as well, in the same vein as the Saturday 116 00:10:51,199 --> 00:10:55,061 morning cartoons that we would watch as a kid. It was tailor-made for the audience, and like 117 00:10:55,081 --> 00:11:00,295 the true successor, of a show like Super Friends that a previous generation grew up watching. 118 00:11:00,915 --> 00:11:05,097 Yeah, and he also mentioned X-Men the Animated Series and X-Men 97. It goes without saying 119 00:11:05,357 --> 00:11:10,539 that series is probably the best superhero animated show of all time. You know, we had two other 120 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:15,080 people give the answer of X-Men 97, and like we gave that season five stars out of five. 121 00:11:15,140 --> 00:11:18,701 It's like the quintessential X-Men experience. So you could do no wrong with that answer. 122 00:11:19,190 --> 00:11:23,831 Where Michael Williams went right in terms of this week's No Prize win was that he packaged 123 00:11:23,872 --> 00:11:29,334 together Justice League and X-Men, which were probably the paragons of each universe's respective 124 00:11:29,614 --> 00:11:34,836 animated series. At least for 90s kids like us, you know? Yeah, absolutely. Great answer, 125 00:11:34,876 --> 00:11:38,758 Michael Williams. You win this week's No Prize. If you the listener want a shot at winning 126 00:11:38,798 --> 00:11:43,820 your own No Prize, stay tuned to later on in this episode when we'll be asking another Question 127 00:11:43,860 --> 00:11:46,741 of the Week. Another That's Done? On to the news! 128 00:11:52,106 --> 00:11:58,070 Alright, in a bit of news that I swore we've talked about before, filmmaker Luca Guadagnino 129 00:11:58,230 --> 00:12:04,274 is developing a Sergeant Rock film with Daniel Craig, who will potentially play the lead character. 130 00:12:04,775 --> 00:12:09,458 If you're not familiar with Luca Guadagnino, he's an amazing director. He's directed films 131 00:12:09,498 --> 00:12:15,202 such as Call Me By Your Name, Suspiria, Bones and All, Challengers, and the upcoming queer 132 00:12:15,222 --> 00:12:20,378 film, which also stars Daniel Craig. And if you're not familiar with Daniel Craig... then 133 00:12:20,618 --> 00:12:27,902 where have you been? Because the guy is fucking 007 James Bond. And if he gets this role of 134 00:12:28,002 --> 00:12:35,307 Sergeant Rock, I will probably never forgive you, Jonathan. Okay, I'm fine with that. You 135 00:12:35,367 --> 00:12:39,969 stole Timothy Dalton, he was the chief in the Doom Patrol series, he was a fantastic chief. 136 00:12:40,510 --> 00:12:45,093 You stole Pierce Brosnan, who was Dr. Fate in the Black Adam movie. You're damn right. You 137 00:12:45,113 --> 00:12:50,783 had Sean Connery. in the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen movie, which was actually a DC imprint. 138 00:12:51,003 --> 00:12:55,384 Yeah, that's correct. So you've had all these tremendous Bond actors play DC roles. Zero 139 00:12:55,404 --> 00:13:00,505 Bond actors have played a Marvel role so far. And if you have listened to this podcast for 140 00:13:00,525 --> 00:13:06,227 a while, you know that in addition to me being a Marvel fan, I'm also a huge James Bond fan. 141 00:13:06,267 --> 00:13:11,928 So like if Daniel Craig becomes Sergeant Rock and this movie is as amazing as it sounds, 142 00:13:12,448 --> 00:13:16,589 like it's like Saving Private Ryan with Sergeant Rock and Daniel Craig or something like that. 143 00:13:17,906 --> 00:13:23,390 I'm going to end this podcast and probably never talk to you again. I kind of consider Adam 144 00:13:23,430 --> 00:13:29,454 West to be the American Roger Moore because they look like brothers. So there's that. Well, 145 00:13:29,494 --> 00:13:33,497 Roger Moore, unfortunately, never got a chance to play either a Marvel or DC character, but 146 00:13:33,937 --> 00:13:37,179 I'd like to think that he would have played a Marvel character if he got a chance to. Well, 147 00:13:37,199 --> 00:13:41,782 the odds are against you, my friend, because apparently all the James Bond guys like DC. 148 00:13:41,943 --> 00:13:48,639 Now, no deal has been signed between Luca and DC Studios. James Gunn and Peter Safran, so 149 00:13:48,699 --> 00:13:54,182 it's not official, but because it's being reported by the trades, odds are more than likely that 150 00:13:54,262 --> 00:13:59,385 it will be happening. The film apparently already has a script written by the same screenwriter 151 00:13:59,425 --> 00:14:05,568 who wrote Challengers and Queer for Luca Guadagnino. Do you think Daniel Craig would make a good 152 00:14:05,628 --> 00:14:10,150 Sergeant Rock? Yeah, I think he'll make a fine Sergeant Rock. Sergeant Rock is a World War 153 00:14:10,210 --> 00:14:16,458 II character in DC Comics, so essentially this film would just be a war movie. There have 154 00:14:16,478 --> 00:14:21,801 been other adaptations of Sgt. Rock, like the animated short where he led the creature commandos. 155 00:14:22,201 --> 00:14:27,064 So I don't know if they would tie that into this film in any way. I imagine not. It may 156 00:14:27,084 --> 00:14:31,587 just be a really solid World War II movie. And I'll take it. I wish Marvel would do something 157 00:14:31,627 --> 00:14:35,369 like that. Well, I guess we had Captain America the First Avenger. That was a World War II 158 00:14:35,389 --> 00:14:41,793 movie. But not like in a realistic, gritty sense. It was very much in like a diesel punk, fantastical 159 00:14:41,973 --> 00:14:45,378 type of World War II setting. Yeah, I don't think this would be anything like that. It's 160 00:14:45,398 --> 00:14:49,459 definitely not Lucas Highbrow style, but because of that, it makes me really look forward to 161 00:14:49,499 --> 00:14:54,000 see what he could do with the World War II movie. It just sounds like it would be very rated 162 00:14:54,100 --> 00:14:59,742 R. Probably the most rated R war movie ever made. Next to like Inglorious Basterds or something 163 00:14:59,762 --> 00:15:06,184 like that. I also hope it really happens because Daniel Craig is attached to it and because 164 00:15:06,364 --> 00:15:10,605 he played James Bond and because I know that would break your heart. That would be funny 165 00:15:10,625 --> 00:15:16,961 to me. If it happens. I will immediately rip my clothes, fall down onto my knees, and fly 166 00:15:17,041 --> 00:15:23,406 the stars. I swear. What? I don't know, like, where that was going. I was going for, like, 167 00:15:23,426 --> 00:15:28,350 a real dramatic type feeling, but yeah, you took that in a different direction. Anyway, 168 00:15:28,510 --> 00:15:32,633 the news about Daniel Craig potentially becoming Sergeant Rock brings us to our question of 169 00:15:32,673 --> 00:15:32,953 the week. 170 00:15:37,462 --> 00:15:43,704 What Marvel character would you cast former 007 actor George Lazenby as and why? Now, George 171 00:15:43,744 --> 00:15:49,787 Lazenby is the only other 007 actor that's alive that has yet to play a Marvel or DC movie. 172 00:15:49,847 --> 00:15:54,790 He was only in one James Bond film and that was On Her Majesty's Secret Service. But, if 173 00:15:54,810 --> 00:15:59,492 you take a look at the guy, think about what Marvel role he could play, and then my goal 174 00:15:59,532 --> 00:16:04,138 is to start campaigning Marvel to hire George Lazenby as that character. So think about it 175 00:16:04,158 --> 00:16:08,139 guys, and record your answer at dynamicduel.com by clicking on the red microphone button in 176 00:16:08,159 --> 00:16:11,880 the bottom right hand corner of the screen, which will prompt you to leave us a voicemail. 177 00:16:12,180 --> 00:16:15,761 Your message could be up to 30 seconds long, and don't forget to leave your name in case 178 00:16:15,781 --> 00:16:20,182 we include you on the podcast. We'll pick our favorite answer, and award that person a Dynamic 179 00:16:20,222 --> 00:16:24,944 Duel No Prize that we'll post to Instagram. Be sure to answer before December 7th. You 180 00:16:24,964 --> 00:16:30,825 guys have two weeks for this one, because Jonathan and I are recording the next episode early. 181 00:16:31,330 --> 00:16:33,384 due to the holidays and some business travel. 182 00:16:40,622 --> 00:16:44,105 That does it for the news for this episode. So let's go ahead and move on to the main event 183 00:16:44,526 --> 00:16:50,993 where we find out who would win in a match between Black Mask and Madam Mask. 184 00:17:06,306 --> 00:17:11,688 Okay, Black Mask versus Meta Mask. As we mentioned earlier, these are two mobster characters who 185 00:17:12,168 --> 00:17:19,291 both literally wear masks. Black Mask wears a ebony black skull mask carved from the coffin 186 00:17:19,571 --> 00:17:26,734 of his father, which is badass. And Meta Mask wears just a plain boring ass gold mask. I 187 00:17:26,754 --> 00:17:31,556 would not describe it as boring. It's pretty badass. It's made out of gold. It's featureless, 188 00:17:31,616 --> 00:17:36,997 except for her eyes. You know, it's really mysterious and totally awesome. Yeah, I see that and I'm 189 00:17:37,037 --> 00:17:43,052 not scared. I see black mask and I'm shitting myself. Well, you just have a poor constitution 190 00:17:43,072 --> 00:17:50,195 then and probably irritable bowel syndrome. Of course, Block Mask has been in a movie. 191 00:17:50,235 --> 00:17:54,597 He was the main antagonist in Harley Quinn and the Birds of Prey, or I'm sorry, I'm sorry, 192 00:17:54,917 --> 00:18:01,079 Birds of Prey and the fantibulous emancipation of one Harley Quinn. Oh God. Madame Masque has 193 00:18:01,199 --> 00:18:06,481 not been in a Marvel movie, but the version of the character, Whitney Frost, was in Agent 194 00:18:06,521 --> 00:18:12,024 Carter season two. Oh, I didn't know that. Did she wear a gold mask? No, which is why it was 195 00:18:12,044 --> 00:18:16,990 kind of a lame adaptation. Dumb. Well, hopefully we do the character justice here. But before 196 00:18:17,010 --> 00:18:21,452 we get into our match to explain the methodology behind our duels, let's go to our sentient 197 00:18:21,492 --> 00:18:27,696 duel simulator, Alfred Jarvis 9000. AJ9K, tell our listeners how you go about determining 198 00:18:27,736 --> 00:18:33,399 a winner in our duel matchups. Yes, of course, sir. The way I determine a winner between the 199 00:18:33,439 --> 00:18:39,462 contestants is by running 1000 Monte Carlo simulations using the characters statistics. A Monte Carlo 200 00:18:39,502 --> 00:18:43,805 simulation is a probabilistic model used to determine outcomes through random sampling. 201 00:18:44,225 --> 00:18:49,115 In this case, I randomise the statistics along a normal distribution as a way to simulate 202 00:18:49,155 --> 00:18:53,736 the many variables that can occur during battle. The stat parameters are based on the official 203 00:18:53,796 --> 00:18:59,098 Marvel power grid from which the DC characters' statistics are extrapolated. Additional stat 204 00:18:59,138 --> 00:19:04,659 categories are included such as range, damage potential, versatility and perception in order 205 00:19:04,699 --> 00:19:10,101 to create a more detailed and accurate simulation. The results of the 1000 simulations provide 206 00:19:10,121 --> 00:19:14,615 a percentage of wins for each character. Contestant with the higher percentage is declared the 207 00:19:14,675 --> 00:19:19,819 victor as they have a higher probability to win any given battle. In an equitable pairing, 208 00:19:20,199 --> 00:19:25,002 neither character should win 100% of the matches. The comic book stories have shown that there's 209 00:19:25,142 --> 00:19:29,945 even a way for Batman to defeat Superman, so the confidence rate of my method falls in line 210 00:19:29,965 --> 00:19:34,569 with the precedents that have been established in the source material. My mathematical simulations 211 00:19:34,609 --> 00:19:39,752 are without subjectivity or bias. Feats are not the sole consideration, nor are fan votes 212 00:19:39,812 --> 00:19:45,563 tabulated for determination of the winner. Thanks AJ9K, before we run the simulations though 213 00:19:45,583 --> 00:19:49,644 we'd like to break down each character's history and abilities before improvising a scenario 214 00:19:49,704 --> 00:19:54,506 on how we imagine one of the 1000 simulations would play out beat for beat. And I believe 215 00:19:54,546 --> 00:20:00,049 it's my turn to go first with the DC characters backstory, so let me tell you about Black Mask. 216 00:20:00,609 --> 00:20:06,471 Now Roman Sionis was born into Gotham City's wealthy elite, but his privileged life masked 217 00:20:06,631 --> 00:20:12,334 deep dysfunction. His parents, obsessed with maintaining their social standing. showed little 218 00:20:12,394 --> 00:20:18,059 genuine affection for their son. This neglect continued throughout his childhood, with Roman 219 00:20:18,099 --> 00:20:23,643 forced to adhere to the same public facade as his parents. Roman's parents maintained social 220 00:20:23,683 --> 00:20:29,328 ties with the Waynes despite privately resenting them, and Roman was forced into a friendship 221 00:20:29,388 --> 00:20:34,872 with a young Bruce Wayne. And though Bruce Wayne was polite and kind, Roman could sense the 222 00:20:34,932 --> 00:20:40,017 genuine bond Bruce shared with his parents, which only amplified Roman's bitterness toward 223 00:20:40,057 --> 00:20:46,338 his own family. Roman masked his jealousy behind a shallow camaraderie, but deep down he despised 224 00:20:46,378 --> 00:20:51,942 Bruce's seemingly perfect life, seeing it as a reflection of everything he lacked. Roman 225 00:20:51,982 --> 00:20:58,448 grew to hate the, quote-unquote, masks his parents wore to conceal their true selves, and he developed 226 00:20:58,508 --> 00:21:05,214 a lifelong fascination with masks as symbols of identity. As an adult, Roman joined Janus 227 00:21:05,234 --> 00:21:11,490 Cosmetics, his father's company, quickly rising to vice president. Roman fell in love with 228 00:21:11,550 --> 00:21:16,713 a working-class model named Cersei, but his parents forced him to end the relationship. 229 00:21:17,174 --> 00:21:23,497 Enraged, Roman retaliated by burning down the family mansion, killing his parents, and inheriting 230 00:21:23,557 --> 00:21:29,441 their fortune. With complete control of Janus Cosmetics, Roman initially enjoyed success, 231 00:21:29,761 --> 00:21:36,705 but his lack of business acumen led to disaster. He launched a defective makeup line that disfigured 232 00:21:36,805 --> 00:21:42,629 hundreds of customers. The lawsuits bankrupted the company and destroyed its reputation. Bruce 233 00:21:42,669 --> 00:21:48,214 Wayne, head of Wayne Enterprises, offered a bailout, but only if Roman relinquished control 234 00:21:48,254 --> 00:21:54,619 of the company. Humiliated, Roman blamed Wayne for his failures, and in a fit of rage, he 235 00:21:54,719 --> 00:22:00,484 smashed his father's ebony coffin in the Sionis family crypt and carved a mask from its lid, 236 00:22:00,884 --> 00:22:03,526 transforming himself into Black Mask. 237 00:22:07,394 --> 00:22:12,575 for his personal and professional failures. As Black Mask, Roman established himself as 238 00:22:12,635 --> 00:22:18,397 one of Gotham's most feared crime lords. He founded the False Face Society, a criminal 239 00:22:18,437 --> 00:22:24,599 gang whose members wore distinctive masks, hand-picked by Roman to reflect their personalities. From 240 00:22:24,639 --> 00:22:29,840 their base in the Sionis family crypt, the False Face Society launched a crime spree across 241 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:36,295 Gotham, drawing the attention of both law enforcement and Batman. One of Roman's early crimes involved 242 00:22:36,395 --> 00:22:41,978 targeting Wayne Foundation executives. Using the toxic cosmetics that had ruined his company, 243 00:22:42,378 --> 00:22:48,922 Black Mask disfigured and killed three executives. He also kidnapped Cersei, his former fiance, 244 00:22:49,282 --> 00:22:54,885 and forced her to wear a mannequin-like mask laced with a diluted version of the toxic makeup, 245 00:22:55,325 --> 00:23:01,589 permanently disfiguring her face. To humiliate her further, Roman made Cersei his unwilling 246 00:23:01,649 --> 00:23:07,627 accomplice. After deducing Black Mask's identity, Batman set a trap to capture him by hosting 247 00:23:07,687 --> 00:23:13,209 a masquerade ball at Wayne Manor, knowing Roman would be unable to resist the opportunity to 248 00:23:13,289 --> 00:23:19,731 strike. Roman infiltrated the event with Cersei as his date and lured Bruce into the conservatory, 249 00:23:19,911 --> 00:23:25,592 intending to kill him. However, Bruce disarmed Roman, forcing him to flee. Batman and Robin 250 00:23:25,652 --> 00:23:31,302 tracked Black Mask to the Cionis crypt, where they defeated his gang. Roman escaped through 251 00:23:31,342 --> 00:23:36,204 a hidden passage accessed through the false bottom of his father's coffin and fled to his 252 00:23:36,264 --> 00:23:42,007 family's rebuilt estate, which he set ablaze again in an attempt to sever his ties to his 253 00:23:42,067 --> 00:23:47,969 former identity. During a confrontation with Batman, Roman fell face-first into the flames, 254 00:23:48,330 --> 00:23:55,233 refusing the ebony mask to his face. Severely disfigured but alive, Roman was apprehended 255 00:23:55,333 --> 00:24:00,803 and sent to Arkham Asylum. Roman eventually escaped Arkham and resumed his criminal activities. 256 00:24:01,123 --> 00:24:06,325 He reassembled the False Face Society and began a series of arsons targeting Wayne Enterprise 257 00:24:06,385 --> 00:24:12,628 properties. Batman infiltrated the gang under the alias Skull Face, posing as a new recruit. 258 00:24:13,008 --> 00:24:19,131 Roman, impressed by Skull Face's skills, tasked him with assisting in various crimes. However, 259 00:24:19,151 --> 00:24:25,073 when Lucius Fox was kidnapped, Batman revealed his true identity and rescued Fox, though Black 260 00:24:25,113 --> 00:24:30,596 Mask escaped. Roman's vendetta against Wayne and Batman continued, driving his gang to more 261 00:24:30,676 --> 00:24:36,460 audacious crimes. During the No Man's Land crisis when Gotham City was devastated by an earthquake 262 00:24:36,801 --> 00:24:42,625 and declared uninhabitable, Roman seized control of the Fashion District and rebranded his gang 263 00:24:42,985 --> 00:24:50,110 as the True-Facers, a nihilistic cult. Rejecting wealth and power, Roman embraced a philosophy 264 00:24:50,190 --> 00:24:56,910 of destruction, claiming Gotham's devastation revealed its quote-unquote true face. The true-facers 265 00:24:56,950 --> 00:25:03,273 disfigured themselves and their victims, spreading terror through the ruined city. Roman targeted 266 00:25:03,393 --> 00:25:08,855 Oracle's clock tower, planning to dismantle the remnants of organized resistance. However, 267 00:25:08,935 --> 00:25:14,498 Batgirl intervened, breaking Roman's arm and dismantling his cult. Roman was subsequently 268 00:25:14,538 --> 00:25:20,400 imprisoned in Blackgate Penitentiary. After Gotham's reconstruction, Roman resurfaced during 269 00:25:20,460 --> 00:25:26,800 a Gotham gang war known as the War Games. Exploiting a gang war triggered by the Gotham vigilante 270 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:32,745 known as Spoiler, Roman rebuilt his criminal empire. He murdered Orpheus, a gang leader 271 00:25:32,805 --> 00:25:39,050 secretly allied with Batman, and assumed Orpheus' identity to manipulate Gotham's underworld. 272 00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:45,455 Roman's machinations made him the undisputed king of Gotham's crime scene. However, Spoiler 273 00:25:45,515 --> 00:25:48,598 escaped his clutches, and Batman exposed his deception. 274 00:25:53,846 --> 00:25:59,328 which instead returned him to Oracle's Clock Tower. Though he survived Oracle's self-destruct 275 00:25:59,408 --> 00:26:05,731 trap, Spoiler did not survive the injuries she sustained while tortured by Black Mask. The 276 00:26:05,771 --> 00:26:11,474 gang war subsided shortly after, and Roman's empire began to fracture. Roman's reign of 277 00:26:11,514 --> 00:26:16,936 terror continued until he faced the Red Hood, who targeted his operations in a calculated 278 00:26:16,976 --> 00:26:23,119 campaign to dismantle his criminal empire. Despite Roman's alliances with figures like Mr. Freeze 279 00:26:23,219 --> 00:26:29,283 and Deathstroke, the Red Hood's relentless attacks destabilized his control. Roman's efforts to 280 00:26:29,323 --> 00:26:34,846 consolidate power ultimately failed, culminating in his defeat at the hands of Batman and the 281 00:26:34,906 --> 00:26:40,009 Red Hood. Roman eventually attempted to rebuild his empire, shifting his focus to Gotham's 282 00:26:40,129 --> 00:26:44,972 East End, where he sought to control the drug trade. This brought him into conflict with 283 00:26:45,072 --> 00:26:51,354 Catwoman, the self-appointed protector of the area. Roman retaliated against Catwoman's interference 284 00:26:51,394 --> 00:26:56,756 by targeting her loved ones. He kidnapped her sister Maggie and tortured her brother-in-law 285 00:26:56,876 --> 00:27:02,997 Simon to death. Roman forced Maggie to consume parts of Simon's corpse, leaving her mentally 286 00:27:03,057 --> 00:27:09,019 shattered. Enraged, Catwoman confronted Roman in his penthouse. Their battle ended with Catwoman 287 00:27:09,059 --> 00:27:13,780 shooting Roman in the head, killing him. During the Blackest Night, in which dead heroes and 288 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:21,795 villains of the past were resurrected Roman used his Black Lantern powers to torment Catwoman 289 00:27:21,875 --> 00:27:28,058 further, desecrating her sister's mental institution and creating torture chambers. However, Roman's 290 00:27:28,118 --> 00:27:33,360 rampage ended when Poison Ivy and Harley Quinn joined forces with Catwoman to neutralize him. 291 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:39,522 Trapped in a carnivorous plant, Roman's Black Lantern form was dissolved. In post-Flashpoint 292 00:27:39,563 --> 00:27:45,385 continuity, Roman Sionis returned as Black Mask, though he was reimagined as a man with Dissociative 293 00:27:45,465 --> 00:27:51,664 Identity Disorder. his black mask persona exerting dominance over his psyche. His signature ebony 294 00:27:51,704 --> 00:27:57,288 mask gained technological upgrades, granting him the ability to control the minds of weaker-minded 295 00:27:57,388 --> 00:28:02,771 individuels. While imprisoned in Arkham Asylum, Roman orchestrated a mass breakout during the 296 00:28:02,851 --> 00:28:08,694 Night of Owls, using his mind control abilities to manipulate inmates into attacking the Court 297 00:28:08,734 --> 00:28:14,822 of Owl's assassins. Roman escaped Arkham and reassembled the False Face Society. reigniting 298 00:28:14,942 --> 00:28:20,443 a violent rivalry with the Mad Hatter, another villain known for mind control. Their feud 299 00:28:20,523 --> 00:28:26,145 drew the attention of Batman, who defeated both men and destroyed Roman's mask, temporarily 300 00:28:26,225 --> 00:28:31,127 neutralizing his abilities. Over time, Roman regained his status as one of Gotham's top 301 00:28:31,187 --> 00:28:36,368 crime bosses. He aligned with the Penguin and Great White Shark in the Blacks and Whites 302 00:28:36,428 --> 00:28:42,290 Alliance, a coalition seeking to consolidate Gotham's criminal enterprises. Roman also sought 303 00:28:42,330 --> 00:28:47,695 to use his advanced technology, including a techno-organic virus, to gain an edge over 304 00:28:47,735 --> 00:28:53,800 his rivals. This led to a confrontation with Red Hood, who infiltrated Roman's masked organization 305 00:28:54,140 --> 00:28:59,945 under the guise of an ally and exposed Roman's operations, turning Roman's own resources against 306 00:28:59,985 --> 00:29:05,690 him. Alongside Artemis and Bizarro, Red Hood dismantled Roman's empire, forcing a final 307 00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:06,530 confrontation. 308 00:29:10,850 --> 00:29:16,573 but the plan backfired, leaving him mentally incapacitated and defeated. That's Black Mask's 309 00:29:16,614 --> 00:29:22,498 history so far. Power-wise, Black Mask's Ebony Mask grants him a degree of mental influence 310 00:29:22,598 --> 00:29:28,622 over others, as well as protection for his head. He's a criminal mastermind with access to a 311 00:29:28,682 --> 00:29:35,307 vast fortune and resources, including weaponry. An expert marksman, Black Mask carries several 312 00:29:35,327 --> 00:29:40,558 handguns, which he'll have in this match, along with a classic mobster tommy gun. He's in peak 313 00:29:40,598 --> 00:29:45,703 human physical condition and is a competent fighter. When you were describing his backstory, 314 00:29:45,923 --> 00:29:52,789 the part where he disfigured his ex-fiance with the mask, it made me think that Tim Burton's 315 00:29:52,829 --> 00:29:58,915 1989 Batman film with Jack Nicholson's Joker took inspiration maybe from Black Mask because 316 00:29:58,975 --> 00:30:04,360 there was that scene where Joker scarred the face of Grisham's girl, right? Right. And she 317 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,954 wore that like white mannequin mask. Yeah, you could definitely say that also because of the 318 00:30:07,994 --> 00:30:14,817 fact that Joker attacked Gotham with tainted cosmetics. Yeah, yeah. Interesting. Okay. Black 319 00:30:14,837 --> 00:30:20,380 Mask was created in 1985, I believe. So that could absolutely be the case that he inspired 320 00:30:20,740 --> 00:30:25,202 Burns Joker. Yeah, he was probably on top of mind at that time. So makes sense. Well, I 321 00:30:26,062 --> 00:30:31,124 honestly, I think the characters of Black Mask and Madam Mask have even more in common than 322 00:30:31,184 --> 00:30:36,899 I realized. And let me go ahead and tell you all about Madam Mask. Born as Julieta Neferia, 323 00:30:37,099 --> 00:30:43,183 Madam Mask was introduced to a life of deception from the start. Her father, Count Lucino Neferia, 324 00:30:43,223 --> 00:30:48,867 was a powerful crime lord in the Magia, a shadowy crime syndicate resembling the Mafia based 325 00:30:48,907 --> 00:30:54,671 in New York City. Count Neferia desired a different path for his daughter, a respectable life unmarred 326 00:30:54,711 --> 00:30:59,774 by the criminal underworld that defined his own. Thus, he gave her up to Brian Frost, a 327 00:30:59,814 --> 00:31:07,350 trusted employee, and his wife Loretta, who raised Whitney Frost. Whitney grew up as a 328 00:31:07,410 --> 00:31:12,272 sophisticated debutante and socialite, moving in elite circles and building connections for 329 00:31:12,332 --> 00:31:17,313 what she thought would be a prosperous, legitimate life. She eventually became engaged to an ambitious 330 00:31:17,353 --> 00:31:22,234 politician, Roger Vane. However, her life was shattered when her adoptive parents passed 331 00:31:22,274 --> 00:31:27,816 away and Count Nefaria re-entered her life, revealing her true heritage and offering her 332 00:31:27,876 --> 00:31:33,906 a place in the Magia. Initially horrified, Whitney turned to her fiance Roger for support. only 333 00:31:33,946 --> 00:31:39,428 to find him unwilling to risk his career for her criminal connections. Heartbroken and betrayed, 334 00:31:39,768 --> 00:31:44,610 she reluctantly accepted her father's offer, leaving behind her privileged life to learn 335 00:31:44,651 --> 00:31:50,793 the brutal arts of strategy, combat, and manipulation under Neferia's guidance. Whitney proved to 336 00:31:50,833 --> 00:31:55,075 be a natural in the criminal world, quickly ascending to become the leader of the Neferia 337 00:31:55,115 --> 00:32:00,682 family within Demagia, adopting the alias Big M. Under this persona, Whitney She aimed to 338 00:32:00,782 --> 00:32:05,945 infiltrate and raid Stark Industries, crossing paths with Iron Man for the first time. The 339 00:32:06,025 --> 00:32:11,249 operation ended in disaster, and as she attempted to escape on a plane, the aircraft crashed 340 00:32:11,429 --> 00:32:17,433 and she was left horribly disfigured. Her life was saved by Mordecai Midas, a crime lord with 341 00:32:17,453 --> 00:32:23,377 an obsession for gold, who gifted Whitney a golden mask to cover her scars. With her new 342 00:32:23,457 --> 00:32:29,361 identity as Madame Masque, Whitney joined Midas' empire and furthered her reputation as a ruthless 343 00:32:29,401 --> 00:32:35,454 criminal. In a fateful twist, Madame Masque met Tony Stark, Iron Man's alter ego, and was 344 00:32:35,514 --> 00:32:40,818 drawn to him despite her adversarial relationship with his superhero identity. Tony's compassion 345 00:32:40,858 --> 00:32:45,862 for her scarred appearance softened her, and Whitney eventually betrayed Midas to save Tony, 346 00:32:46,202 --> 00:32:51,126 only to disappear from his life, fearing her past would forever haunt any chance of happiness. 347 00:32:51,647 --> 00:32:54,689 You can learn more about Iron Man in his duel against Cyborg. 348 00:32:59,918 --> 00:33:04,600 Chrissy Longfellow, his secretary. This charade allowed them to rekindle their connection, 349 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:09,423 leading to a romance once their true identities were revealed. Their happiness was cut short 350 00:33:09,443 --> 00:33:14,126 when Count Nefaria resurfaced, now on the verge of death from a failed superhuman experiment. 351 00:33:14,666 --> 00:33:19,329 Whitney brought her father to Stark, begging him to find a cure. However, Nefaria's violent 352 00:33:19,349 --> 00:33:24,332 threats forced Iron Man to confront the crime lord and his minions in a deadly clash. When 353 00:33:24,352 --> 00:33:29,126 Nefaria's life support system was damaged during the fight, Whitney was struck by overwhelming 354 00:33:29,166 --> 00:33:34,367 guilt and descended into madness, severing her ties with Stark and returning to the Magia 355 00:33:34,688 --> 00:33:39,969 to reclaim her role as a ruthless leader. As her criminal activities escalated, Madame Masque 356 00:33:40,029 --> 00:33:45,771 grew increasingly paranoid, fearing betrayal and weakness. To maintain control, she created 357 00:33:45,871 --> 00:33:51,973 bioduplicates of herself, robots and clones to act as her stand-ins and bodyguards. One 358 00:33:51,993 --> 00:33:57,311 of these bioduplicates, known simply as Masque, developed an independent streak and became 359 00:33:57,351 --> 00:34:03,316 an ally to the Avengers, urging Whitney to reconsider her path and join forces with the heroes. The 360 00:34:03,356 --> 00:34:08,079 duplicate's nobility led her to sacrifice herself to protect the Avengers and take down Count 361 00:34:08,119 --> 00:34:13,903 Nefaria, who had returned with powerful Ionic abilities. This selfless act shook Whitney 362 00:34:13,923 --> 00:34:19,227 to her core, as she saw the admiration and mourning from Iron Man and the Avengers, forcing her 363 00:34:19,247 --> 00:34:24,142 to confront the nature of her own paranoia and distrust. Despite this revelation, she chose 364 00:34:24,222 --> 00:34:28,565 not to renounce her criminal past entirely, though she acknowledged her need for change. 365 00:34:29,065 --> 00:34:32,767 Years later, Whitney found a new partner and purpose when she became the second in command 366 00:34:32,848 --> 00:34:38,411 and lover to Parker Robbins, aka The Hood, a rising figure in New York's criminal underworld. 367 00:34:38,791 --> 00:34:43,494 With the superhero community fractured by the Superhuman Registration Act, The Hood saw an 368 00:34:43,534 --> 00:34:48,817 opportunity to unite the underworld, using his mystical powers to protect criminals in exchange 369 00:34:48,837 --> 00:34:53,515 for their loyalty. Madame Masque joined them in battling the New Avengers, though shortly 370 00:34:53,575 --> 00:34:58,498 after she fought alongside Earth's heroes to repel the Skrull invasion, briefly aligning 371 00:34:58,538 --> 00:35:03,101 herself with humanity's defenders. You can learn more about the Avengers and the Superhuman 372 00:35:03,141 --> 00:35:07,723 Registration Act and the Skrull invasion in our Justice League vs Avengers duel episode. 373 00:35:08,143 --> 00:35:12,546 Her relationship with the Hood deepened as she supported him during his struggle with demonic 374 00:35:12,586 --> 00:35:16,988 possession by Dormammu, and her loyalty was made evident when she finally revealed her 375 00:35:17,008 --> 00:35:22,562 disfigured face to him as a symbol of trust. Despite this loyalty to the hood, she remained 376 00:35:22,742 --> 00:35:27,504 unable to suppress her volatile emotions for Tony Stark, leading to a violent confrontation 377 00:35:27,524 --> 00:35:33,205 with Pepper Potts when Norman Osborn put a bounty on Tony Stark's head. In a desperate bid to 378 00:35:33,245 --> 00:35:38,887 force Stark's love, she demanded his romantic confession only for Tony to choose Pepper over 379 00:35:38,987 --> 00:35:45,048 her. Enraged, she engaged Pepper in the rescue armor in a brutal fight only to be incarcerated. 380 00:35:45,588 --> 00:35:46,669 After escaping custody, 381 00:35:49,890 --> 00:35:55,133 forming alliances and taking on high stakes jobs. She connected again with the Hood, who 382 00:35:55,353 --> 00:36:01,538 now wielding the Reality Gem, used its power to heal her facial scars. She traveled to Madripoor, 383 00:36:01,838 --> 00:36:06,541 where she bit on a videotape that appeared to blackmail Hawkeye for murder. During this mission, 384 00:36:06,862 --> 00:36:11,805 Madame Masque was ambushed by Kate Bishop, who impersonated her in an attempt to recover the 385 00:36:11,865 --> 00:36:16,969 tape, and it was destroyed. Furious, Madame Masque vowed revenge on Kate and tracked her 386 00:36:16,989 --> 00:36:22,787 to Los Angeles, luring the hero into a trap Kate would later escape. In the end, Shields 387 00:36:22,827 --> 00:36:29,069 dismantled Mademask's Los Angeles-based operation, leading to her arrest. Upon her release, she 388 00:36:29,129 --> 00:36:33,970 joined Baron Zemo's Masters of Evil, acting as his right-hand woman. You can learn more 389 00:36:34,010 --> 00:36:38,731 about Kate Bishop in our Batgirl versus Hawkeye duel episode, and more about Baron Zemo in 390 00:36:38,771 --> 00:36:43,553 his duel against Lex Luthor. Mademask's interests took a darker turn, and she began collecting 391 00:36:43,613 --> 00:36:49,103 magical artifacts to empower herself. seeking control over magic as a means of survival and 392 00:36:49,143 --> 00:36:55,205 dominance. She raided Castle Doom for the mystical Wand of Votum, engaging in a showdown with 393 00:36:55,345 --> 00:37:00,828 Ironman, after which she was possessed by demonic forces. Only a collaboration between Doctor 394 00:37:00,868 --> 00:37:05,629 Doom and Doctor Strange saved her as they performed an exorcism and handed her over to S.H.I.E.L.D. 395 00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:11,772 custody. After escaping, Mademask orchestrated a brutal gang war in New York, faking her own 396 00:37:11,812 --> 00:37:17,299 death in a car explosion set by the Magia Enforcer turned leader. Hammerhead. She infiltrated 397 00:37:17,339 --> 00:37:22,263 the Magia from within in disguise, capturing Hammerhead and declaring herself the new leader 398 00:37:22,303 --> 00:37:27,287 of the organization. Seeking total control of New York's crime scene, she manipulated her 399 00:37:27,327 --> 00:37:32,251 rivals through mind control, gathering her forces for a final showdown with the rival gangs. 400 00:37:32,771 --> 00:37:37,555 However, Spider-Man and his allies intervened, disrupting her plans as they freed her mind-controlled 401 00:37:37,595 --> 00:37:42,079 allies. Despite her careful preparations, she was turned over to authorities by Spider-Man, 402 00:37:42,419 --> 00:37:47,983 swearing vengeance against him and her gang And that's her backstory. Powers-wise, Madam 403 00:37:48,003 --> 00:37:53,225 Mask has no innate superhuman abilities, but is trained and skilled in a variety of arenas. 404 00:37:53,765 --> 00:37:58,967 This includes her expertise in gymnastics, martial arts, and marksmanship. She wears a golden 405 00:37:59,007 --> 00:38:04,170 mask that can protect her head from psychic intrusion and gunfire. She is a master of disguise, 406 00:38:04,330 --> 00:38:08,972 often using her resources to create technological and biological clones of herself for further 407 00:38:09,012 --> 00:38:13,373 deception, though for this match she'll employ holographic image-inducers for that effect. 408 00:38:13,826 --> 00:38:17,869 She carries modified handguns that can fire high caliber bullets, concussive blasts of 409 00:38:17,929 --> 00:38:23,653 energy, or sleeping gas cartridges. She is also a master strategist and has dabbled in some 410 00:38:23,694 --> 00:38:29,578 magic using artifacts that can induce hypnosis. Her weakness is that she is always extremely 411 00:38:29,638 --> 00:38:34,742 paranoid, making her mentally unstable. And there you have it. She has a lot of gadgets 412 00:38:34,762 --> 00:38:39,086 and stuff, but I'm not worried. Black Mask's got this because she doesn't have any gadgets 413 00:38:39,106 --> 00:38:46,355 to stop bullets. Well she has her mask, her golden mask. As does Black Mask. So I guess 414 00:38:46,375 --> 00:38:52,619 we're even. A wooden mask is not bulletproof. Not like a gold plated metal mask is. So I 415 00:38:52,639 --> 00:38:57,922 don't know how Black Mask's mask is going to stop bullets. But I guess we'll find out. Dude, 416 00:38:57,982 --> 00:39:03,565 Ebony is real hard. Yeah, and these are real hard bullets. And you are real hard headed. 417 00:39:04,005 --> 00:39:07,888 If you think he's going to win this match. I thought you were going an entirely different 418 00:39:07,908 --> 00:39:10,689 route. I'm so glad that you said headed right there. Yes. 419 00:39:17,902 --> 00:39:23,564 Where fantasies collide and heroes clash, one podcast network rises above the rest. Prepare 420 00:39:23,584 --> 00:39:29,307 yourself for the ultimate showdowns in comic books, video games, movies, and anime. The 421 00:39:29,367 --> 00:39:35,130 Dynomic Podcast Network presents Console Combat, where video game legends brawl every Monday. 422 00:39:35,651 --> 00:39:42,134 Dynamic Duel, where comic book titans smash every Tuesday. Max Destruction. TV and action 423 00:39:42,174 --> 00:39:48,159 heroes battle every Wednesday, and Sendro World, where anime champions clash every Thursday. 424 00:39:48,659 --> 00:39:53,683 Join us as we speculate on the matches and armed with the power of mathematical simulations, 425 00:39:53,924 --> 00:40:00,809 discover who will emerge victorious. Visit dynamicpodcast.com where we settle the debate and settle the score. 426 00:40:05,143 --> 00:40:08,525 But now that we've got their histories and abilities out of the way, let's speculate on how one 427 00:40:08,565 --> 00:40:14,509 of the 1000 simulated matches will go. The winner is determined by simulations, not the speculation, 428 00:40:14,549 --> 00:40:20,193 but it's fun to imagine how this fight could play out. AJ9K, what are the rules of our speculation? 429 00:40:20,953 --> 00:40:24,936 Well, I should say there are no rules, other than the characters have no prior knowledge 430 00:40:24,976 --> 00:40:29,359 of the other going into the fight. All they are aware of starting out is that the other 431 00:40:29,399 --> 00:40:34,466 character is a threat that needs to be eliminated. For the speculation... contestants will begin 432 00:40:34,506 --> 00:40:39,569 approximately 50 meters apart in a nondescript environment that will have no bearing on the 433 00:40:39,609 --> 00:40:44,952 match itself as no environmental statistics are considered in my simulations. The contestants 434 00:40:44,992 --> 00:40:49,775 must earn victory on their own merit. Alright then let's get into it. Black Mask and Madame 435 00:40:49,815 --> 00:40:55,858 Mask meet on the battlefield. Who goes first? I think since Black Mask has a Tommy gun, he 436 00:40:56,038 --> 00:41:04,018 has to start by just blasting that thing at Madame Masque, Say hello to my little friend. 437 00:41:04,058 --> 00:41:11,140 All right, so Madam Masks is like, oh shit. And she immediately takes off running. But 438 00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:15,521 as she runs, she's going to start creating holographic copies of herself using her image inducer. 439 00:41:16,101 --> 00:41:21,143 And soon there's like 15 different Madam Masks on the battlefield. And Black Mask doesn't 440 00:41:21,163 --> 00:41:25,964 know which one is real. And he runs out of bullets. OK, so that's when he just pulls out his spare 441 00:41:26,144 --> 00:41:31,494 ammo drum from his jacket. He's going to lock that thing into place. and just start blasting 442 00:41:31,554 --> 00:41:36,557 all of the figures in front of him, just laughing like a maniac. All right, well, his laughing 443 00:41:36,597 --> 00:41:43,841 like ha is gonna turn into ow ow, when suddenly the real Madame Masque shoots the Tommy gun 444 00:41:43,981 --> 00:41:49,144 with a concussive beam from her handgun, and it's just gonna shatter his Tommy gun, exploding 445 00:41:49,244 --> 00:41:53,846 it in Black Mask's hands, and then she's gonna fire another round from a second pistol, this 446 00:41:53,886 --> 00:41:59,369 time it's a high caliber bullet, that goes right through one of his knee caps. Oh damn, well. 447 00:41:59,838 --> 00:42:06,721 Okay, Black Mask, he has a high tolerance for pain. So as he is limping to the side to dodge 448 00:42:06,822 --> 00:42:12,285 any more gunfire, he's going to pull out his handgun from his holster and just bullseye 449 00:42:12,305 --> 00:42:17,067 Madam Mask right in the forehead, which, you know, isn't going to kill her, but it certainly 450 00:42:17,087 --> 00:42:23,791 knocks her out cold. Well, she got shot in the face with her mask on. We'll say she's heavily 451 00:42:23,851 --> 00:42:29,399 dazed and on the ground for sure. And while she's on the ground. That's when Black Mask 452 00:42:29,419 --> 00:42:34,423 is gonna limp over to her and pull out a pair of needle nose pliers, like one of several 453 00:42:34,463 --> 00:42:41,929 torture devices he probably keeps on him, which he uses to grab her ear and he starts yanking 454 00:42:41,989 --> 00:42:48,235 it to rip it off. That's some sick twisted shit, man. I've honestly, I've seen Black Mask do 455 00:42:48,275 --> 00:42:53,820 worse. Well, before he can yank her ear off with pliers, she's gonna snap right out of 456 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:59,528 her fog from being shot. She's gonna pull out a magical artifact from her utility belt that 457 00:42:59,548 --> 00:43:05,833 looks like a small sundial, which is gonna create this like hypnotic sigil. And she's gonna put 458 00:43:05,893 --> 00:43:11,637 Black Mask under a hypnotic trance. And while he's in this like stupor, she's gonna stand 459 00:43:11,697 --> 00:43:16,540 up and just start pistol whipping the shit out of him. Calling him a sick fuck and knocking 460 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:22,244 the ebony teeth out of his skull mask and just stomping him in the ribs, cracking him. Well, 461 00:43:22,444 --> 00:43:28,129 I mean that would certainly snap- Black Mask out of his hypnosis. We'll see that as, you 462 00:43:28,149 --> 00:43:32,713 know, Meta Mask is about to stomp his torso again, Black Mask quickly just pulls out a 463 00:43:32,753 --> 00:43:39,039 knife and drives into Meta Mask's shin before pulling it out and slicing her other leg's 464 00:43:39,159 --> 00:43:45,104 ankle. Okay, so they're basically just reducing each other to crawling and limping for the 465 00:43:45,124 --> 00:43:49,968 rest of this match, I guess. Basically. She's gonna fall to the ground, and as Black Mask 466 00:43:50,008 --> 00:43:55,107 like tries to crawl over to her, Madam Mask is gonna unleash a gas pellet that like fills 467 00:43:55,147 --> 00:44:00,489 her vicinity with sleeping gas and that's gonna knock Black Mask out cold. It's not gonna knock 468 00:44:00,529 --> 00:44:07,032 her out too? No, she has a mask on. So does he! Yeah, but hers like covers her nose and 469 00:44:07,072 --> 00:44:12,014 mouth. Well how does she breathe then? Well like through a respirator in her mask, most 470 00:44:12,034 --> 00:44:17,416 likely. Interesting. Anyway, she doesn't get affected by the sleeping gas, he does, he's 471 00:44:17,476 --> 00:44:22,178 out cold, that gives her enough time to crawl over to him. and she's just going to yank his 472 00:44:22,198 --> 00:44:27,620 mask off and finish him off with a shot right through the forehead. Well, I mean, his mask 473 00:44:27,700 --> 00:44:33,903 is actually melted onto his face. So it'd be hard to just yank off. That's exactly what 474 00:44:33,923 --> 00:44:38,765 she does then. She just rips the whole damn face off. Damn! Just like in that movie. Face 475 00:44:38,885 --> 00:44:45,608 off? No, not that one. Guardians of the Galaxy 3? Yep, there you go. That's what I'm talking 476 00:44:45,648 --> 00:44:52,279 about. Okay, well, as she's yanking his face off, Again, that for sure wakes Black Mask 477 00:44:52,420 --> 00:44:58,164 up. You know, he just snaps out of it and he quickly whips out like a small torch from his 478 00:44:58,204 --> 00:45:03,628 sleeve and just burns her right in the gut while she's over him. And while she's in shock from 479 00:45:03,668 --> 00:45:09,192 this attack, he's going to rip off her mask and allowing him to influence her psychically 480 00:45:09,712 --> 00:45:14,856 into taking her own life. Wait, so he has like a mini blowtorch on him. Yeah, like all kinds 481 00:45:14,876 --> 00:45:21,029 of like torture gear. OK. Well, I think honestly, he'd be in too much pain from getting his face 482 00:45:21,089 --> 00:45:26,793 peeled off to do any sort of psychic attack or anything really. So, yeah, I think Madame 483 00:45:26,833 --> 00:45:31,777 Mask ends up winning. Well, he couldn't even do the psychic attack if the mask was removed 484 00:45:31,817 --> 00:45:37,562 from his face. So this happens before that. She doesn't even get to rip off his mask. And 485 00:45:37,602 --> 00:45:43,187 I'm saying she does. So let's go ahead and find out what scenario happens. Either she pills 486 00:45:43,267 --> 00:45:50,392 his face off with his mask or he. peels her mask off and psychically gets her to off herself. 487 00:45:51,053 --> 00:45:55,036 Either way, somebody's mask is coming off. Let's find out which one by inputting the stats, 488 00:45:55,376 --> 00:46:01,782 running the simulations and coming back with a winner. AJ9K, hit it. Inputting data, running 489 00:46:01,822 --> 00:46:08,207 calculations, processing results, simulations complete. You know, sometimes we do matches 490 00:46:08,347 --> 00:46:13,331 on this show, like the Two-Face and Jigsaw one comes to mind, where it's like, we just need 491 00:46:13,371 --> 00:46:19,100 therapy afterward. It's just too violent. or like Red Hood and Punisher, the characters 492 00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:24,724 with guns who like don't have any other powers except for that are not fun to speculate with. 493 00:46:25,225 --> 00:46:30,730 Yeah, but I don't know, I think we did as well as we could with these two characters. Statistically 494 00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:36,775 they were pretty close to being even. We said they had about the same speed, durability, 495 00:46:36,955 --> 00:46:42,179 damage level, fighting skill, intelligence, range, and perception. Yeah, no surprise there. 496 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:47,583 I figured the characters were going to be really similar. We did give the edge in evasiveness 497 00:46:47,663 --> 00:46:53,307 to Madam Mask as well as the edge in versatility. Yeah, because she is like an Olympic level 498 00:46:53,508 --> 00:46:59,011 gymnast and has like magical artifacts and high tech gadgets like sleeping gas pellets and 499 00:46:59,051 --> 00:47:05,636 stuff like that. Where Madam Mask had an advantage in agility over Black Mask, Black Mask had 500 00:47:05,656 --> 00:47:10,559 a slight advantage in strength. Yeah, the dude was literally able to destroy his father's 501 00:47:10,579 --> 00:47:17,143 coffin with a huge rock slab with his bare hands. and go toe to toe with Batman. So yeah, dude's 502 00:47:17,183 --> 00:47:23,805 jacked. Not like Ewan McGregor at all. But taking all of this into consideration, Joseph, who 503 00:47:23,825 --> 00:47:28,287 do you think is gonna get the win? I think Madame Massey is gonna take it. I think she just has 504 00:47:28,327 --> 00:47:33,529 a lot going for her in terms of the number of gadgets she has, which I think gives her the 505 00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:38,696 versatility to. avoid damage and to really cause confusion on the battlefield, whether it's 506 00:47:38,716 --> 00:47:43,039 through her duplicates or whether it's through her magical artifacts, something like that, 507 00:47:43,139 --> 00:47:49,043 I think is going to put her over the top here. And no one agrees with me. Basically on Instagram, 508 00:47:49,303 --> 00:47:55,248 Black Mask clearly won that poll that we've put up there with 69% of the poll takers saying 509 00:47:55,288 --> 00:48:01,152 that Black Mask was going to beat Madame Masque. You know why? It's because he's cool. Way cooler 510 00:48:01,172 --> 00:48:06,195 than Madame Masque. No one knows who the hell she is. Iron Man fans know who Madam Mask is. 511 00:48:06,555 --> 00:48:11,800 Yeah, but Iron Man fans are MCU fans and they don't read the comics. They have no idea who 512 00:48:11,820 --> 00:48:16,824 she is. I think they do. Well, let's find out if the Instagram poll matches the actual results. 513 00:48:17,304 --> 00:48:24,610 AJ9K, the results please. Here you are, sir. All right, the winner of the matchup between 514 00:48:24,690 --> 00:48:39,798 Black Mask and Madam Mask is... Madam Mask. She won. 573 of the 1000 matches or 57.3% of 515 00:48:39,838 --> 00:48:46,583 the time compared to Black Mask who only won 42.7. I mean Black Mask might be brutal but 516 00:48:46,703 --> 00:48:51,266 he just doesn't have enough brutality to overcome everything that MadamaSK can throw at him. 517 00:48:51,687 --> 00:48:56,830 Yeah what gave her the win was definitely her increased versatility and evasiveness. It was 518 00:48:56,850 --> 00:49:01,314 something that Black Mask just couldn't compete with. It's actually a higher percentage. then 519 00:49:01,374 --> 00:49:05,756 I thought she would win by like it's almost 60% which was kind of surprising. Well when 520 00:49:05,776 --> 00:49:13,221 you think about it, Black Mask is just a dude with a gun and a black mask. Yeah, that's fair. 521 00:49:13,901 --> 00:49:20,585 It's literally in the name what he is. Are you sad? Eh, not really. There are other Batman 522 00:49:20,605 --> 00:49:26,709 villains that I'm bigger fans of. He's pretty brutal in the comics, you know, as are a lot 523 00:49:26,769 --> 00:49:31,312 of Batman villains, but I don't know, he just doesn't have as much character I would say. 524 00:49:31,933 --> 00:49:36,357 Yeah, you're sad. I feel like you want me to be more sad. And I'm not going to give you 525 00:49:36,378 --> 00:49:41,263 that satisfaction. You know what? I'm happy he lost. I'm proud that he lost. Yeah, what 526 00:49:41,303 --> 00:49:48,670 are you going to do? Call you a fake DC fan, I guess. Oh, no, I am sad. But that does it 527 00:49:48,690 --> 00:49:56,467 for this duel. AJ 90K help close this out. Thanks for listening to Dynamic duel. Visit the show's 528 00:49:56,507 --> 00:50:02,409 website at dynamicduel.com and follow us on Instagram at dynamicduelpodcast. You can support 529 00:50:02,429 --> 00:50:08,152 the show on Patreon at patreon.com slash dynamicduel and joining a tier that works for you, or by 530 00:50:08,212 --> 00:50:14,374 rating and reviewing Dynamic duel on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Podchaser or on our website. Don't 531 00:50:14,394 --> 00:50:18,936 forget to listen to the other shows in the DynaMic Podcast Network, including Max Destruction, 532 00:50:19,296 --> 00:50:26,680 Senjow World and Console Combat. In our next episode, we will be doing another duel, this 533 00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:34,264 time between another Batman villain, Copperhead, against a Spider-Man villain, Scorpion. Yeah, 534 00:50:34,284 --> 00:50:38,347 we're going with the Spider-Man villain and lead up to the Kraven the Hunter film that 535 00:50:38,407 --> 00:50:41,709 is coming out later in December. And Scorpion is one of my favorite Spider-Man villains, 536 00:50:41,749 --> 00:50:45,991 so I'm really looking forward to it. So tune in for that next week. That does it for this 537 00:50:46,051 --> 00:50:50,954 episode. We want to give a big thanks to our executive producers, Ken Johnson. John Swarovski, 538 00:50:51,094 --> 00:50:55,937 Zachary Hepburn, Dustin Balcom, Miggy Mathen-Geehan, Brandon Nestorgarden, Nathaniel Wagner, Levi 539 00:50:55,977 --> 00:51:02,100 Yaiten, Austin Wazilowski, AJ Dunkerley, Scott Camacho, Gil Camacho, Adam Spies, Andrew Shunk, 540 00:51:02,180 --> 00:51:07,723 Dean Maleski, Devin Davis, Joseph Kersting, Josh Leiner, and Mike Williams for helping 541 00:51:07,843 --> 00:51:13,266 make this podcast possible. And we'll talk to you guys next week. Up up and away, true believers. 542 00:51:14,067 --> 00:51:17,989 Wait, Jim Carries the Mask wasn't one of the contenders. I want my money back.