1 00:00:03,284 --> 00:00:03,345 you 2 00:00:23,886 --> 00:00:28,508 Dual Podcast, a weekly show where we review superhero films and debate the superiority 3 00:00:28,808 --> 00:00:34,151 between Marvel and DC by comparing their characters in stat-based battle simulations. I'm Marvelous 4 00:00:34,211 --> 00:00:39,134 Joe. And I'm his twin brother, Johnny DC. And in this episode, we will be finding out who 5 00:00:39,154 --> 00:00:44,557 would win in a fight between the Riddler and Arcade, the X-Men villain. This is going to 6 00:00:44,577 --> 00:00:47,959 be one of the more unique dual episodes that we've ever done. We're dealing with characters 7 00:00:48,279 --> 00:00:52,161 that don't really get into physical altercations. They prefer to fight with their mind. They're 8 00:00:52,281 --> 00:00:57,376 all about prep time. Yeah, these characters create these elaborate traps for the heroes 9 00:00:57,396 --> 00:01:01,699 they go up against, but also considering the fact that we don't take environment into account, 10 00:01:02,079 --> 00:01:06,481 we had to get creative when it came to finding a way to pit these characters against each 11 00:01:06,522 --> 00:01:10,264 other. Yeah, so go ahead and stay tuned to later on this episode when we actually delve into 12 00:01:10,284 --> 00:01:14,086 this match and run the simulations and find out who would win. Before we get into that 13 00:01:14,126 --> 00:01:18,009 duel matchup, we're going to go over the news from the past week, of which there wasn't very 14 00:01:18,069 --> 00:01:23,432 much. We'll be talking about how the John Wick director, Chats Tihelsky, is going to be directing 15 00:01:23,452 --> 00:01:27,234 the action scenes for the Birds of Prey movie. As always, you can look up the segment times 16 00:01:27,314 --> 00:01:31,036 in the episode description to go ahead and jump to whatever topic you wanna listen to. But 17 00:01:31,056 --> 00:01:35,358 before we get into the news, we just wanna give a quick shout out to Ben O'Neill, who gave 18 00:01:35,438 --> 00:01:41,442 us a second review on iTunes. Yeah, I guess he has two accounts or something. Or he's just 19 00:01:41,522 --> 00:01:45,864 using someone else's account. I don't know quite how Apple would feel about that. Hey, you know 20 00:01:45,884 --> 00:01:49,658 what? We got a rating. We got a rating. We got a rating. We're at 138. We're that much closer 21 00:01:49,678 --> 00:01:55,063 to our 200 ratings on Apple Podcasts. Once we get to 200 ratings, Ron Tomatoes says we're 22 00:01:55,123 --> 00:02:00,087 eligible to have our reviews of Marvel and DC films count toward those films tomato meters. 23 00:02:00,227 --> 00:02:04,290 Which is a huge dream of ours. We have wanted to be film critics ever since we were in high 24 00:02:04,330 --> 00:02:08,193 school. So if you guys can help us get there, it'd be hugely appreciated. We love putting 25 00:02:08,213 --> 00:02:11,856 this show together for you guys every week. And if you guys could just give back by doing 26 00:02:11,876 --> 00:02:16,760 that, it'd be fantastic. Yes, please and thank you. But now that that's done, quick to the 27 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:23,195 no prize. So a No Prize is an award that Marvel used to give out up until the 90s to fans. 28 00:02:23,395 --> 00:02:27,957 Our version, the Dynamic Duel No Prize, is a digital award that we post on social media 29 00:02:28,217 --> 00:02:32,679 that I personally draw for those who we feel gave the best answer to our question of the 30 00:02:32,699 --> 00:02:38,621 week. Last week's question was, what character from the Spider-Man comics do you most want 31 00:02:38,641 --> 00:02:44,104 to see Phil Lord and Chris Miller adapt into a live action television series? And this is 32 00:02:44,144 --> 00:02:47,905 coming off the news that Phil Lord and Chris Miller, who are the producers of the Into the 33 00:02:47,945 --> 00:02:53,633 Spider-Verse movie, They signed a contract with Sony to develop several live action Spider-Man 34 00:02:53,673 --> 00:02:57,296 based television series. So we got a lot of great answers of the shows that you guys would 35 00:02:57,336 --> 00:03:02,300 like to see. The first honorable mention goes to Anna Kosasa, who gave the answer of Squadron 36 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:07,645 Sinister and the Grandmaster. Now this was not an answer that was really Spider-Man adjacent. 37 00:03:08,025 --> 00:03:11,868 I don't consider the Squadron Supreme or Squadron Sinister to be part of the Spider-Man universe. 38 00:03:12,229 --> 00:03:16,212 It's possible that she may have meant Sinister 6, but she also mentioned the Grandmaster, 39 00:03:16,272 --> 00:03:21,059 so I'm not sure. Either way... A show involving these characters, especially the Grandmaster, 40 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:25,282 would be pretty damn incredible. Christian Rubito also gets honorable mention for his answer 41 00:03:25,382 --> 00:03:30,226 of Hydro Man. Yeah, Hydro Man. I don't know if he might be the only one that wants a television 42 00:03:30,246 --> 00:03:34,709 show based on Hydro Man. That being said, I do agree that Hydro Man is severely underrated. 43 00:03:34,989 --> 00:03:38,411 It would have been cool to maybe see him down the line, like way down the line in a Spider-Man 44 00:03:38,451 --> 00:03:42,354 movie. Although they kind of use that up with the Elementals from Far From Home. But he's 45 00:03:42,414 --> 00:03:46,497 pretty powerful. Honorable mention also goes to Caleb Albers, who gave the answer of Spider-Man 46 00:03:46,537 --> 00:03:51,336 2099. He was afraid that this answer was gonna be like the quote basic bitch answer. And it 47 00:03:51,356 --> 00:03:56,318 was and it was because lots of other people answered Spider-Man 2099, including Chris Castaneda, 48 00:03:56,859 --> 00:04:02,082 Tim Brown and Matthew Gonzalez. Although Matthew Gonzalez also mentioned Spider-Punk. What I 49 00:04:02,142 --> 00:04:06,484 really like about Spider-Man 2099, though, is that in some ways, this is the perfect answer. 50 00:04:06,624 --> 00:04:10,546 And that's probably why so many people gave it because you have such an opportunity for 51 00:04:10,566 --> 00:04:16,229 like high concept, high octane science fiction action within this. It could be like Tron. 52 00:04:16,598 --> 00:04:21,560 meets Fifth Element meets Spider-Man. Sold. Exactly. So many great things, so many cool 53 00:04:21,580 --> 00:04:26,962 things that can be done with a Spider-Man 2099 show. So yeah, great answer, guys. Jeff Miles 54 00:04:27,002 --> 00:04:32,125 Jr. also gets honorable mention for his answer of Miles Morales and Gwen Stacy. Yeah, he wants 55 00:04:32,165 --> 00:04:36,147 to see that relationship further develop in a television show, although I think Sony's 56 00:04:36,167 --> 00:04:40,189 gonna prefer to explore that within the Spider-Verse sequel that they're making. In the animated 57 00:04:40,269 --> 00:04:45,091 universe that they've established. Right. Honorable mention goes to John Spies for also giving 58 00:04:45,111 --> 00:04:49,633 the answer of Miles Morales. And Harrison Fox gave the answer of Spider-Gwen, as did Matt 59 00:04:49,713 --> 00:04:55,395 Estes. Honorable mention goes to Joel Seagrave who said that he wants a Clone Saga television 60 00:04:55,435 --> 00:04:59,817 show, which could be really fascinating. You know, the Clone Saga was a series from the 61 00:04:59,897 --> 00:05:04,399 90s that Marvel put out that was often derided by fans because it left us questioning whether 62 00:05:04,439 --> 00:05:09,061 or not Peter Parker was actually, you know, the real Peter Parker or not. I think that's 63 00:05:09,241 --> 00:05:13,684 kind of a fascinating concept. especially when it's explored on its own outside of, you know, 64 00:05:13,744 --> 00:05:17,627 everything else that is Peter Parker related. Just like seeing what they're getting up to, 65 00:05:17,667 --> 00:05:21,290 I think, would make a pretty decent show. It's interesting how you could explore both Peter 66 00:05:21,330 --> 00:05:26,915 Parker's clones and his multiverse selves. There's like so many, just so many different versions 67 00:05:26,975 --> 00:05:30,859 of Spider-Man in the Marvel Comics universe. And I think Joel Segrave mentioned that if 68 00:05:30,959 --> 00:05:34,822 anyone could get that right, it's Phil Lord and Chris Miller. Yeah, definitely. They're 69 00:05:34,842 --> 00:05:40,667 great writers. Aaron Alexander Jones also gave the answer of the Clone Saga. Salvador Martinez 70 00:05:40,727 --> 00:05:45,491 gave the answer of a man spider. It's when Peter Parker mutated into a spider. And he said that 71 00:05:45,531 --> 00:05:49,635 the series could follow Madam Webb trying to put a stop to him. And he said a twist at the 72 00:05:49,675 --> 00:05:54,559 end could be that man spider fuses with carnage, which would be so deadly and pretty bad ass. 73 00:05:54,840 --> 00:05:59,544 Ken Johnson gets honorable mention for his answer of Craven. Yeah, that would be a fantastic 74 00:05:59,564 --> 00:06:04,128 show. I'm not sure quite how it would work. I guess you would have him like hunting a different 75 00:06:04,328 --> 00:06:09,063 quarry like every week. It could be like, you know, dog the bounty hunter, but without the 76 00:06:09,083 --> 00:06:14,886 bounty, just the hunter, you know, I totally see like a fat craving, just like balding spring 77 00:06:15,006 --> 00:06:20,089 bear mace in people's face. Right. Exactly. They believe that Sony is currently working 78 00:06:20,289 --> 00:06:24,752 on a live action feature length film for this character and much in the same way that they're 79 00:06:24,772 --> 00:06:29,514 working on Morbius and Venom. Yeah, that's the rumor. Colby Hentges gave the answer of Superior 80 00:06:29,554 --> 00:06:33,517 Spider-Man, which I think would be a fantastic mini series. Superior Spider-Man was a great 81 00:06:33,557 --> 00:06:38,563 book. I love the aesthetic. of the character. Like I wish that was just Peter Parker, like 82 00:06:38,623 --> 00:06:42,865 not Doctor Octopus. Just give all that gear to Peter Parker. He should have adapted all 83 00:06:42,906 --> 00:06:47,268 those upgrades that Doctor Octopus made to his whole getup when he became Spider-Man. Right? 84 00:06:47,488 --> 00:06:53,391 Yeah. And finally, Red Hood gave the answer of Spider-X, Blood Spider, or Ezekiel Sims, 85 00:06:53,751 --> 00:06:58,546 who are probably like the three most obscure characters in Spider-Man anthology. You know, 86 00:06:58,586 --> 00:07:02,667 having only been in a handful of issues themselves. Yeah, I think I only know one of those characters. 87 00:07:02,727 --> 00:07:06,168 But you know, a television show is a great way to explore these characters and develop them 88 00:07:06,228 --> 00:07:12,470 even further. But the winner of this week's No Prize goes to C.J. Kraft for his answer 89 00:07:12,870 --> 00:07:18,892 of Spider-Man Noir. And the way he described the show made it seem like basically Sin City. 90 00:07:19,552 --> 00:07:24,173 I would love to see a Spider-Man Noir meets like Sin City type show. That one just really 91 00:07:24,193 --> 00:07:29,420 captured my imagination. just as much as a Spider-Man 2099 show would capture my imagination. Really, 92 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:33,802 both of those ideas have equal merit, but CJ Kraft was the only one that gave the Spider-Man 93 00:07:33,842 --> 00:07:37,804 no answer, so he gave it to him, basically. Yeah, I love the visual look of what Robert 94 00:07:37,844 --> 00:07:42,947 Rodriguez did with the Sin City live action movies. It's just so stylish, it's so cool. 95 00:07:43,327 --> 00:07:49,131 And now make it more 1930s and add Spider-Man into the mix. Boom. So congrats to CJ Kraft. 96 00:07:49,211 --> 00:07:52,372 You win this week's No Prize, so Jonathan will go ahead and draw. Who are you drawing this 97 00:07:52,392 --> 00:07:56,493 week? I'm drawing Arcade. You're gonna get a drawing of Arcade that we'll post to social 98 00:07:56,513 --> 00:08:00,198 media, go ahead and check that out. If you, the listener, want to win your own No Prize, 99 00:08:00,218 --> 00:08:05,066 go ahead and stay tuned to later on this episode when we ask another question of the week. Now 100 00:08:05,106 --> 00:08:06,648 that that's done, on to the news! 101 00:08:12,554 --> 00:08:17,717 Okay, so the Hollywood Reporter broke the news a few days ago that John Wick director Chad 102 00:08:17,757 --> 00:08:25,062 Stahelski is going to design and tackle new action scenes for the Birds of Prey film dropping 103 00:08:25,142 --> 00:08:29,665 next February. Now there's two different ways you can take this news. Essentially the first 104 00:08:29,685 --> 00:08:33,628 way that I took it was, oh, Birds of Prey, you know, the movie's in trouble, it doesn't have 105 00:08:33,668 --> 00:08:37,030 good enough action, they're gonna have to bring in someone to help fix this movie, kind of 106 00:08:37,050 --> 00:08:41,826 like the way they had to fix Rogue One with Star Wars. Or like World War Z. Yeah. But those 107 00:08:41,866 --> 00:08:46,307 movies turned out great. They did actually. What's the other way you could take it? The 108 00:08:46,327 --> 00:08:50,288 other way you could take it is that, hey, you know, a lot of these directors don't actually 109 00:08:50,348 --> 00:08:54,769 shoot a lot of the action scenes in their films. Like take the Russo brothers, for example, 110 00:08:54,829 --> 00:08:58,830 they use a lot of second unit direction when it comes to high octane action. That's one 111 00:08:58,850 --> 00:09:02,551 of the reasons why The Winter Soldier was so good. And guess who directed the action scenes 112 00:09:02,871 --> 00:09:08,773 in The Winter Soldier? Chad Stahelski. What, he did? Yeah. Holy shit. Yeah, he's also done 113 00:09:08,853 --> 00:09:13,192 Ninja Assassin, he's done The Hunger Games. He started off actually as Keanu Reeves stunt 114 00:09:13,232 --> 00:09:20,118 double in The Matrix before breaking into direction. His stunt firm, I think it's called 8711, was 115 00:09:20,158 --> 00:09:24,802 already working on this film, doing the stunts for it. And they're like, they're doing insane 116 00:09:24,862 --> 00:09:29,145 stunt work right now. If you've seen any of the John Wick films, you know how crazy their 117 00:09:29,185 --> 00:09:34,650 stuff is. He's directed all of the John Wick films. He co-directed the first John Wick with 118 00:09:34,690 --> 00:09:39,446 David Leitch, who later went on to work on films like Deadpool 2. Right, right. What's interesting 119 00:09:39,506 --> 00:09:45,068 here is that he is taking an uncredited role directing these action scenes. Well, he's not 120 00:09:45,088 --> 00:09:48,050 getting a director credit. I think that's what they were mentioning. I assume that he's still 121 00:09:48,070 --> 00:09:52,192 going to get credited for his stunt work. I mean, his firm will, but the shots he's directing 122 00:09:52,232 --> 00:09:56,474 will be uncredited. My interpretation of that uncredited news would be that he wouldn't get 123 00:09:56,494 --> 00:10:00,575 a co-director credit, given that he's a big name. Yeah, I guess we'll see when it comes 124 00:10:00,695 --> 00:10:06,374 out. I think this is good news. It is good news. It is. It is great news. If you're gonna get 125 00:10:06,494 --> 00:10:10,618 any action director to direct your action scenes, get the fucking guy that did John Wick in Winter 126 00:10:10,658 --> 00:10:15,882 Soldier. In my opinion, he is like the biggest name in stunt work and action scenes in the 127 00:10:15,922 --> 00:10:21,227 business right now. So hopefully by him taking this work, maybe he'll get a bigger DC Comics 128 00:10:21,267 --> 00:10:25,631 character to work with in the future. What characters would you like to see him work with? Personally, 129 00:10:25,791 --> 00:10:30,655 I've always wanted to see a question film. He's not superhuman, so there'd be an opportunity 130 00:10:30,695 --> 00:10:35,519 for a lot of stunt work. It's pretty gritty. Yeah. But all of that could also probably describe 131 00:10:35,539 --> 00:10:39,122 the Birds of Prey. So it seems like it's a good fit. Yeah, the Birds of Prey have never been 132 00:10:39,162 --> 00:10:43,726 really overtly superpowered. So you can get really grounded with the action. Exactly, exactly. 133 00:10:44,186 --> 00:10:48,329 And actually, I just realized if David Leitch directed Deadpool, Stahelski should direct 134 00:10:48,449 --> 00:10:53,574 Deathstroke. Oh, that would be sweet. That movie needs to be made. His action style is probably 135 00:10:53,614 --> 00:10:57,317 more suited to someone like Deathstroke than, say, the Birds of Prey, because Deathstroke 136 00:10:57,397 --> 00:11:02,020 uses guns. Does anyone from Birds of Prey use guns? Huntress uses a crossbow. Harley Quinn 137 00:11:02,081 --> 00:11:06,995 uses guns. Oh, that's true. Ultimately, I think this movie may have the best action scenes 138 00:11:07,215 --> 00:11:12,297 we've ever seen in a DC film. Well, that's a short bar to clear, honestly. Oh, fuck off. 139 00:11:13,198 --> 00:11:20,881 Name a great DC action scene. Uh, Batman v Superman, the warehouse scene. That's like the only one. 140 00:11:21,001 --> 00:11:26,723 The only like grounded one. There's plenty of action scenes. Yeah, that are crap. Oh, oh, 141 00:11:27,104 --> 00:11:32,634 okay. Black Manta versus Aquaman was crap. Okay, no, that was pretty good actually. Wonder Woman 142 00:11:32,734 --> 00:11:37,479 and the enemy soldiers in the town was crap? Nah, yeah you're right. They've had a few, 143 00:11:37,539 --> 00:11:43,084 they've had a few. Superman versus Zod was crap? No, yeah that was totally shit. I can't give 144 00:11:43,104 --> 00:11:47,808 you that one. I wouldn't expect you to know good action. This all brings us to our question 145 00:11:47,828 --> 00:11:49,010 of the week. What is the most important thing in a movie? 146 00:11:52,950 --> 00:11:59,113 What is your favorite action scene in a Marvel or DC film? Post your answer to our Instagram, 147 00:11:59,153 --> 00:12:05,416 Twitter, Facebook, or email us at dyna We'll pick our favorite answer and draw that person 148 00:12:05,457 --> 00:12:10,699 a dynamic duel no prize that we'll post to social media. But that does it for all the news. There's 149 00:12:10,719 --> 00:12:14,422 nothing really else too much to talk about that's not a rumor. So who knows, maybe next week 150 00:12:14,442 --> 00:12:19,404 will be a heavy news week. But now let's get into our main event where we pit Arcade against 151 00:12:19,484 --> 00:12:21,425 Riddler and find out who will be the champion. 152 00:12:37,250 --> 00:12:42,212 Alright, Arcade versus Riddler. We have a primarily X-Men villain in Arcade and a Batman villain 153 00:12:42,252 --> 00:12:48,235 in the Riddler. Two characters who primarily fight using not their fists, but their brains. 154 00:12:48,456 --> 00:12:52,658 And of course we're doing this match now, having just come off of our review of Batman Hush 155 00:12:52,998 --> 00:12:57,941 last week, in which the Riddler played a pretty prominent role. He was so great in that movie, 156 00:12:58,081 --> 00:13:02,323 in Batman Hush. So we knew that we had to use him for a duel in this episode, and who better 157 00:13:02,343 --> 00:13:07,602 to pit him against than Marvel's own suit wearing puzzling trickster, Arcade. Now if this is 158 00:13:07,622 --> 00:13:12,044 your first time listening to one of our duel episodes, the way we determine the winner between 159 00:13:12,085 --> 00:13:17,648 these two characters is we run a series of Monte Carlo simulations using the characters' base 160 00:13:17,688 --> 00:13:22,971 stats. Now these stats are randomized along a normal distribution which is a bell curve 161 00:13:23,151 --> 00:13:27,334 and that represents all the different variables that take place in battle. We use the stats 162 00:13:27,354 --> 00:13:31,636 that are given in the Marvel official power rankings and we extrapolate the DC character 163 00:13:31,677 --> 00:13:36,491 stats from those criteria. And we also incorporate a few more stats just to make a more robust 164 00:13:36,551 --> 00:13:43,254 simulation. We take this approach because Joseph and I are both heavily biased in favor of either 165 00:13:43,314 --> 00:13:47,715 DC or Marvel. Right. And this is the most scientific approach that we could think of to determine 166 00:13:47,735 --> 00:13:52,177 the answer of who would win. Exactly. It was the same approach that Spike TV did in their 167 00:13:52,197 --> 00:13:56,739 show Deadliest Warrior that was on the air about 10 or so years ago. Probably more than that 168 00:13:56,759 --> 00:14:02,181 now. Yeah. The simulation results give us a percentage of wins for each character because 169 00:14:02,402 --> 00:14:07,185 There's always one way a character can defeat another, always a way for Batman to defeat 170 00:14:07,265 --> 00:14:12,228 Superman. Right, so no character ever wins 100% of the time if we've done our job right in 171 00:14:12,349 --> 00:14:17,372 picking a fair matchup. So we don't consider fan votes, and we don't consider like extraordinary 172 00:14:17,432 --> 00:14:21,035 feats of strength that are uncharacteristic for the character. Right. 90% of the time. 173 00:14:21,275 --> 00:14:25,318 It's just these base stats with simulations. Now before we run these simulations, we like 174 00:14:25,338 --> 00:14:29,941 to go into the histories and abilities of each character. I think it's my turn to go first 175 00:14:29,961 --> 00:14:34,050 with Arcade. Now I'm not sure how many people out there actually know a lot about the history 176 00:14:34,090 --> 00:14:38,392 of arcade given that he hasn't been in a whole lot of comic book issues. I don't remember 177 00:14:38,412 --> 00:14:43,533 him from the cartoon at all. You don't? No. He was in X-Men Evolution, he was even in Ultimate 178 00:14:43,573 --> 00:14:46,914 Spider-Man cartoon. Oh wow. Yeah, he's been in a lot of different things. Primarily though, 179 00:14:47,134 --> 00:14:52,355 I think he really works best in the video games. I remember the arcade boss battle in Marvel 180 00:14:52,416 --> 00:14:56,577 Ultimate Alliance. The whole murder world level was incredible. He was a villain that was like 181 00:14:56,617 --> 00:15:01,215 tailor-made for video games. What was the name like, arcade? You would hope so. Right, exactly. 182 00:15:02,055 --> 00:15:07,060 So little is known about the villain Arcade's early history. Even his real name has never 183 00:15:07,100 --> 00:15:11,904 been revealed. He has told, however, that he was born to an incredibly wealthy family and 184 00:15:11,924 --> 00:15:18,189 had a lifelong fixation with toys and games. His father detested his childish hobbies and 185 00:15:18,229 --> 00:15:23,193 abused Arcade when he was young. On his 21st birthday, his parents withdrew his trust fund, 186 00:15:23,573 --> 00:15:28,417 and in retaliation, Arcade killed his parents with a car bomb, inheriting all their wealth. 187 00:15:29,098 --> 00:15:33,340 It's unknown if that story is actually part of Arcade's past or not, or if he made it up 188 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:38,383 just for his own sick enjoyment. What is known is that as a young adult, Arcade turned his 189 00:15:38,443 --> 00:15:44,907 enjoyment of murder into a career as an assassin, charging $1 million per contract. Over time, 190 00:15:45,187 --> 00:15:50,290 he grew bored of killing people using conventional means, and started using his technological 191 00:15:50,350 --> 00:15:56,782 genius to build elaborate murder traps in a mobile facility he called Murderworld. He based 192 00:15:56,822 --> 00:16:01,384 his traps on his targets greatest fears and weaknesses. By vetting his victims and learning 193 00:16:01,564 --> 00:16:06,027 everything about them, he could tailor his deadly machinations to provide them with the most 194 00:16:06,067 --> 00:16:11,350 amount of despair, while simultaneously providing himself with the most amount of amusement. 195 00:16:11,670 --> 00:16:16,993 He enjoys watching people die. Though Arcade loved relishing how much his victims suffered, 196 00:16:17,193 --> 00:16:20,875 he would often laugh at and taunt them through a loudspeaker, he would always give them a 197 00:16:20,935 --> 00:16:26,855 tiny chance of escape for sport. Though no one ever escaped. Murderworld made him renowned 198 00:16:26,895 --> 00:16:32,298 in the criminal underworld, and he took on the codename Arcade. He's a lot like Jigsaw from 199 00:16:32,318 --> 00:16:36,561 the Saw films. Yeah, pretty much. And I guess like the Riddler from the Arkham games. Yeah, 200 00:16:36,601 --> 00:16:40,404 although Arcade is a little bit more whimsical, or at least he used to be. Like one of his 201 00:16:40,464 --> 00:16:45,407 most memorable appearances was when he put the X-Men in a giant pinball machine. That sounds 202 00:16:45,427 --> 00:16:51,091 cool, actually. So Arcade hired two assistants. Mr. Chambers, his chief engineer, and Miss 203 00:16:51,171 --> 00:16:56,935 Locke, a martial arts expert and field agent, to lure Arcade's victims into Murder World. 204 00:16:57,315 --> 00:17:01,317 She was also Arcade's lover, and the two often played deadly games with each other for the 205 00:17:01,337 --> 00:17:07,000 thrill. Over time, Arcade killed numerous conventional targets and eventually grew bored again, but 206 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:12,483 a contract to kill Captain Britain led to the first Murder World escape, and brought a newfound 207 00:17:12,543 --> 00:17:17,826 enjoyment to Arcade, who decided he would dedicate his resources toward killing superheroes. Not 208 00:17:17,866 --> 00:17:19,607 for the money, but for the challenge. 209 00:17:24,018 --> 00:17:29,799 and teams such as X-Men, X-Factor, and Excalibur. But although the heroes kept escaping, Arcade 210 00:17:29,819 --> 00:17:34,561 at least managed to avoid capture himself each time. One day, while recuperating from his 211 00:17:34,601 --> 00:17:39,122 latest failure, he grew angry and stabbed his lover Miss Locke too deep while they were in 212 00:17:39,182 --> 00:17:44,284 bed playing with a knife. Unable to cope with the idea that he murdered her, he convinced 213 00:17:44,304 --> 00:17:48,785 himself that Wolverine had done it, and employed the mutant illusionist mastermind to help him 214 00:17:48,825 --> 00:17:54,347 get his revenge. Mastermind learned the truth and turned on Arcade, imprisoning him in a 215 00:17:54,427 --> 00:17:59,469 murder world in his own mind. Arcade later recovered and went on to terrorize superheroes such as 216 00:17:59,549 --> 00:18:04,712 Deadpool, Hercules, and Black Cat, once teaming up with the mystical villain Nightmare to create 217 00:18:04,752 --> 00:18:10,414 a murder world that was a terrifying labyrinth. However, Arcade still had yet to keep a hero 218 00:18:10,454 --> 00:18:14,756 from escaping. After learning that most other villains thought of him as a gimmicky joke, 219 00:18:15,236 --> 00:18:20,671 Arcade grew depressed and decided that playing for amusement... was less important than playing 220 00:18:20,731 --> 00:18:25,454 to win. He hired a new assistant named Miss Coriander who helped him build a murder world 221 00:18:25,554 --> 00:18:31,318 in Antarctica using nanotechnology, as well as a special suit that would grant him god-like 222 00:18:31,358 --> 00:18:37,522 powers within the facility. He captured young teenage heroes from Avengers Academy, the Runaways, 223 00:18:37,682 --> 00:18:41,585 and Xavier School for the Gifted, and told them they would have to kill each other, and that 224 00:18:41,685 --> 00:18:46,208 only the survivor would escape. In the Avengers Arena miniseries, he pretty much admitted that 225 00:18:46,268 --> 00:18:49,730 he stole the idea from the Hunger Games books. I was gonna say Battle Royale. Yeah, but... 226 00:18:49,750 --> 00:18:55,592 Well... The young heroes instantly rebelled, but he used his god powers to kill Metal from 227 00:18:55,612 --> 00:19:00,293 the Avengers Academy. Red Raven then tried to escape, but she broke her neck by slamming 228 00:19:00,393 --> 00:19:06,595 into the facility's barrier. Oh jeez. The teens fled and hid across Murderworld, creating alliances 229 00:19:06,695 --> 00:19:11,376 just as Arcade hoped. He manipulated the terrain and drew them toward each other with supplies 230 00:19:11,396 --> 00:19:17,286 and weapons, leading to a hero named Anachronism killing Kid Brittain. The Game of Death brought 231 00:19:17,306 --> 00:19:22,507 out the dark side of the hero Apex, who killed Avengers Academy teammate Justin Seifert and 232 00:19:22,547 --> 00:19:27,909 Runaways member Nico Minoru. Although Nico managed to resurrect herself and in turn killed Apex 233 00:19:27,989 --> 00:19:33,070 and Deathlock it, who is the cyborg daughter of the creator of the Deathlock program. When 234 00:19:33,090 --> 00:19:38,032 the Avengers began investigating the teens' disappearance, Arcade used robots wearing the 235 00:19:38,072 --> 00:19:44,106 dead teens' skin to convince them everything was fine. As more of the teens died... it seemed 236 00:19:44,146 --> 00:19:50,049 Arcade had finally achieved success as a supervillain. The contest was cut short however when Deathlocket 237 00:19:50,069 --> 00:19:55,132 was revealed to have survived her death and accessed Murderworld's control panel. But Arcade 238 00:19:55,172 --> 00:20:00,295 managed to teleport away and uploaded the events of that Murderworld to YouTube, finally earning 239 00:20:00,335 --> 00:20:06,859 him respect among his peers. The story was so brutal. I highly suggest reading Avengers Arena 240 00:20:07,259 --> 00:20:11,121 if you haven't already. You already know the ending, but you know, you knew the ending of 241 00:20:11,161 --> 00:20:15,565 Hunger Games. before you saw that or read the book, so you know, read it. I highly recommend 242 00:20:15,605 --> 00:20:20,790 it. So a few of the surviving heroes from the Antarctic murder world managed to track Arcade 243 00:20:20,830 --> 00:20:25,334 down by going undercover in the Masters of Evil. They strapped into the front of a S.H.I.E.L.D. 244 00:20:25,615 --> 00:20:30,359 helicarrier as they flew around on their missions, and that was the last that he was seen. Holy 245 00:20:30,559 --> 00:20:34,863 cow. Now Arcade has a genius level intellect and is an expert when it comes to electronics, 246 00:20:35,124 --> 00:20:40,188 robotics, engineering, and design. He even taught himself to master the She-R holographic technology 247 00:20:40,228 --> 00:20:44,912 that once powered the X-Men's danger room training sessions. He prefers not to fight, but has 248 00:20:44,932 --> 00:20:49,296 a history involving some hand-to-hand training. He also has equipped various personal defense 249 00:20:49,316 --> 00:20:54,180 weapons, but instead he prefers to defeat his enemies in Murder World, as his main weakness 250 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:59,384 is definitely his intense need for entertaining mental stimulation. And that's arcade. He has 251 00:20:59,404 --> 00:21:04,568 like super ADD. And you combine that with violent psychopathic tendencies, and you have a recipe 252 00:21:04,608 --> 00:21:09,371 for disaster. He's a really fascinating villain, one that I really never gave enough credit 253 00:21:09,491 --> 00:21:13,633 until I read up on him. That recipe for disaster is pretty close to the recipe that made the 254 00:21:13,673 --> 00:21:17,234 Riddler as well. Really? There's some strong connections there. Interesting, let's hear 255 00:21:17,254 --> 00:21:23,397 it. Now the Riddler, aka Edward Nigma, is one of the most notorious and ridiculed villains 256 00:21:23,457 --> 00:21:30,460 of Batman's Rogue's gallery. Born Edward Nashton, he grew up to an abusive father and absentee 257 00:21:30,500 --> 00:21:36,202 mother. While in school at a young age, Edward's teacher promised a prize to the student who 258 00:21:36,222 --> 00:21:42,144 could solve a puzzle the fastest. Showing both compulsive and narcissistic tendencies early 259 00:21:42,304 --> 00:21:47,306 on, Edward broke into the school at night to figure out how to solve the puzzle in under 260 00:21:47,326 --> 00:21:53,369 a minute, and when he did it the next day, he was given a book of riddles as a prize. Edward's 261 00:21:53,409 --> 00:21:58,851 intelligence was often praised, but not by his father, who disliked his son being smarter 262 00:21:58,871 --> 00:22:06,114 than him and often accused him of cheating, something Edward himself would later in life. 263 00:22:06,455 --> 00:22:11,359 His father's beatings only drove Edward's obsession with proving his intellectual superiority, 264 00:22:11,779 --> 00:22:18,025 suffering from severe insecurity-borne distress if he was unable to do so. Like a surprising 265 00:22:18,125 --> 00:22:24,010 many of Batman's villains, the Riddler worked early on at a carnival, where he used his deductive 266 00:22:24,050 --> 00:22:29,355 skills to cheat the carnival goers out of their money. Wishing to move up in the world, he 267 00:22:29,395 --> 00:22:34,495 changed his name to Edward Nigma. and climbed up the corporate world to become the chief 268 00:22:34,535 --> 00:22:40,037 strategist at Wayne Enterprises during Bruce Wayne's worldwide travels in preparation to 269 00:22:40,057 --> 00:22:46,380 fight crime in Gotham City. With Edward's shady backdoor schemes and profiteering exposed upon 270 00:22:46,460 --> 00:22:52,963 Bruce Wayne's return, Edward's career was left in ruins. Wishing revenge against Wayne Enterprises 271 00:22:53,263 --> 00:22:55,944 and all of the idiots in Gotham City, Edward 272 00:22:59,906 --> 00:23:06,228 during a hurricane as the Riddler, making him the first masked villain of Batman's crime-fighting 273 00:23:06,268 --> 00:23:13,051 career post-New 52. Further threatening the city with explosive weather balloons, the Riddler's 274 00:23:13,091 --> 00:23:18,053 secret location was eventually tracked down by Batman, and when the Riddler threatened 275 00:23:18,133 --> 00:23:23,475 to blow up the city unless Batman could solve twelve of his riddles, Batman surprisingly 276 00:23:23,615 --> 00:23:25,836 answered by punching the Riddler in the face. 277 00:23:30,222 --> 00:23:35,906 That's pretty good. Diagnosed with a form of obsessive-compulsive disorder, Edward was sentenced 278 00:23:36,006 --> 00:23:41,229 to Arkham Asylum for psychiatric treatment. To learn more about Batman, check out our Batman 279 00:23:41,249 --> 00:23:48,154 vs. Moon Knight episode. So after proving himself a valuable criminal profiler and apt informant 280 00:23:48,194 --> 00:23:53,198 of Gotham's underworld to the police force, the Riddler eventually grew bored at Arkham 281 00:23:53,418 --> 00:23:57,561 and walked out simply by reciting the names of the guards' loved ones as they confronted 282 00:23:57,581 --> 00:24:03,288 him. Huh. Offering to team up with the Joker to kill Batman, the Riddler was instead shot 283 00:24:03,488 --> 00:24:09,051 by the Clown Prince of Crime, starting a large-scale gang war known as the War of Jokes and Riddles, 284 00:24:09,452 --> 00:24:15,555 in which Batman's rogues divided their loyalties into two factions, the Joker's or the Riddler's. 285 00:24:15,915 --> 00:24:21,438 Batman eventually sided with the Riddler in an attempt to stem the amount of innocent bystanders 286 00:24:21,518 --> 00:24:27,121 killed in the supervillain feud, though by the end, Batman nearly killed the Riddler in anger. 287 00:24:27,706 --> 00:24:32,669 and Edward and the Joker were sent back to Arkham. You can of course learn more about the Joker 288 00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:38,794 in our Joker vs Green Goblin episode. During one of his stints at the asylum, the Riddler 289 00:24:38,814 --> 00:24:44,638 was freed along with the rest of Batman's enemies by the villain Bane during the Nightfall storyline, 290 00:24:44,938 --> 00:24:50,783 which you can learn more about in our Bane vs Iron Fist episode. The Riddler, psychologically 291 00:24:50,963 --> 00:24:57,639 incapable of not leaving clues to stop his crimes, sent several letters to the Gotham Police Department, 292 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:03,003 all of which were ignored as the police were overwhelmed by the other Arkham villains out 293 00:25:03,043 --> 00:25:09,107 causing mayhem. After the Riddler's henchmen abandoned him after they grew tired of waiting 294 00:25:09,127 --> 00:25:14,791 for the police to fall into his trap, the Riddler hijacked a local news television show in a 295 00:25:14,831 --> 00:25:19,594 bid for attention, holding the live audience hostage with a bomb detonator. 296 00:25:24,394 --> 00:25:33,377 He was thwarted by Robin alone after the sidekick deduced that the Riddler's bomb was fake. Now, 297 00:25:33,417 --> 00:25:39,340 considered an incompetent joke amongst Gotham's underworld for most of his career, the Riddler 298 00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:44,882 was elevated to a new threatening level during the Hush storyline when the Riddler bathed 299 00:25:44,982 --> 00:25:50,784 in a rejuvenating Lazarus pit in a desperate move to cure a malignant tumor that had developed 300 00:25:50,824 --> 00:25:58,808 in his brain. Brought about by the Lazarus Pit, the Riddler deduced that Batman's real identity 301 00:25:59,068 --> 00:26:04,450 was Bruce Wayne, and he teamed with the villain Hush to mastermind a plan that nearly drove 302 00:26:04,510 --> 00:26:10,373 Batman insane as Bruce Wayne's loved ones were targeted by nearly every member of his rogue's 303 00:26:10,413 --> 00:26:16,515 gallery. Batman prevailed in the end and reminded the captured Riddler that a riddle everyone 304 00:26:16,535 --> 00:26:22,718 knew the answer to was worthless, ensuring that the Riddler kept his secret identity. During 305 00:26:22,758 --> 00:26:27,639 the Infinite Crisis storyline, the Riddler joined the ranks of the Secret Society of Super-Villains, 306 00:26:28,099 --> 00:26:33,041 only to be knocked unconscious and put in a coma by the hero Shining Knight. Waking up 307 00:26:33,081 --> 00:26:39,182 a year later with amnesia, Edward amassed a small fortune legally as a private investigator, 308 00:26:39,543 --> 00:26:45,084 frequently helping Batman and other heroes solve crimes for some time, before he was caught 309 00:26:45,104 --> 00:26:50,722 in an explosion during a heroic escapade that re-triggered his psychosis. Whether he's plotting 310 00:26:50,822 --> 00:26:56,444 schemes against Batman, Green Arrow, or even The Flash, The Riddler is pretty inconsistent 311 00:26:56,464 --> 00:27:01,845 when it comes to success, sometimes failing in hilarious fashion and other times proving 312 00:27:01,885 --> 00:27:07,367 himself frighteningly capable and underestimated. While the jury's out on whether or not he's 313 00:27:07,407 --> 00:27:12,849 as intelligent as he claims to be, and though he has no powers or physical abilities of note, 314 00:27:13,369 --> 00:27:19,329 he does have a genius level of intellect. capable of crafting elaborate death traps and lethal 315 00:27:19,389 --> 00:27:25,535 weapons, more likely than not designed around a question mark motif, like his staff, which 316 00:27:25,575 --> 00:27:31,281 has served successfully as a trigger for various tricks and snares, and somewhat less successfully 317 00:27:31,761 --> 00:27:36,446 as a combat weapon. That's the Riddler. Yeah, there were quite a few similarities there. 318 00:27:36,706 --> 00:27:40,550 Two fascinating villains. Let's go ahead and find out who would win in a fight. Now before 319 00:27:40,590 --> 00:27:45,112 we run the simulations, what we'd like to do on this podcast is kind of improvise a scenario 320 00:27:45,212 --> 00:27:49,495 and talk about how we think one of these 1000 simulated battles would actually play out. 321 00:27:49,795 --> 00:27:53,377 We don't set any rules for this battle, save for the fact that the characters don't know 322 00:27:53,477 --> 00:27:57,539 anything about each other when they first meet, other than that the other one is a threat that 323 00:27:57,559 --> 00:28:02,442 needs to be put down. And the fight takes place in an environment that plays no bearing on 324 00:28:02,462 --> 00:28:07,525 the match itself. In a non-environment, as it were. Now these rules would normally apply 325 00:28:07,625 --> 00:28:13,299 to our duel episodes. However, this one, we're taking a different approach. This improvised 326 00:28:13,319 --> 00:28:17,800 scenario is not actually 100% improvised. Since these characters fight more with their brains 327 00:28:17,820 --> 00:28:22,761 than with their fists, we did a little bit of prep work and you'll see what I mean as we 328 00:28:22,781 --> 00:28:27,003 get into it. So the characters start off 50 yards apart from each other on a non-environment 329 00:28:27,023 --> 00:28:36,105 field. Who goes first? The Riddler. Okay. Right away he goes, riddle me this. So obviously 330 00:28:36,145 --> 00:28:40,684 these characters, like, They don't really fight hand to hand. So we figure that what they'll 331 00:28:40,764 --> 00:28:45,507 end up doing is they'll end up talking it out basically and try to figure out exactly which 332 00:28:45,547 --> 00:28:52,072 of them is smarter. Now to that end, both Jonathan and I have prepared riddles for each other 333 00:28:52,152 --> 00:28:57,396 and logic puzzles to kind of simulate this battle of the minds, if you will. So the characters, 334 00:28:57,716 --> 00:29:02,659 they sit down next to each other. Arcade pulls out these taser discs that he usually uses 335 00:29:03,060 --> 00:29:07,651 to strap onto victims that he's luring into murder world. and he straps a taser disc onto 336 00:29:07,691 --> 00:29:13,095 himself and to the Riddler, and the scenario is this. The characters each have to answer 337 00:29:13,195 --> 00:29:19,080 five riddles. Whoever gets the most incorrect gets zapped and electrocuted and dies. And 338 00:29:19,100 --> 00:29:22,643 that's how the speculation is gonna play out. This is already gonna be a horrible speculation. 339 00:29:22,763 --> 00:29:28,067 I am nowhere near as intelligent as the Riddler. I'm nervous, I'm super nervous about this. 340 00:29:28,248 --> 00:29:33,932 For Arcade, I didn't develop riddles so much as theme existing logic puzzles to the X-Men 341 00:29:33,952 --> 00:29:39,131 characters. Riddles, some of them actually are riddles that the Riddler has actually used 342 00:29:39,211 --> 00:29:43,234 in the comics. Uh-huh. Not all of them, but hopefully they're clever enough to stump you. 343 00:29:43,654 --> 00:29:49,557 Okay, so let's get into it. Okay, okay, okay. Riddle me this. Alright. It holds most knowledge 344 00:29:49,657 --> 00:29:55,800 that's ever been said, but is not the brain and is not the head. To feathers, they're masters, 345 00:29:56,141 --> 00:30:03,585 both bane and boon, respectively when empty and when full. The feathers make me think it's 346 00:30:03,605 --> 00:30:11,530 like a quill. Is it a pen? No. Is it a book? No. No, close though. Is it a bookshelf? No. 347 00:30:11,850 --> 00:30:17,474 How many answers do you get? As many as I fucking need. I'm not as smart as Arcade, okay? Is 348 00:30:17,534 --> 00:30:23,338 it, so it's close to a book? Okay, is it a piece of paper? Yeah. Is it a letter? Yeah. There 349 00:30:23,358 --> 00:30:31,023 you go. It's paper. Paper. Okay, awesome. Yeah, writers use like feathered cool pens and you 350 00:30:31,043 --> 00:30:35,578 know, when the page is full of writing, it's good. And when it's empty, it's not. Okay, 351 00:30:35,598 --> 00:30:39,840 yeah, that's what I figured. Yeah, after like five tries. I thought it was like when the 352 00:30:39,900 --> 00:30:44,783 pen was full of ink as opposed to when the pen was empty. Nah, anyway, Arcade does not get 353 00:30:44,843 --> 00:30:49,826 zapped because I got the answer right. Oh gosh. Now, okay, now Arcade has a puzzle for the 354 00:30:49,866 --> 00:30:57,130 Riddler. At 9 a.m. multiple men caught a cold and began sneezing at the start of every minute. 355 00:30:58,051 --> 00:31:04,154 Every time he sneezed, he created a duplicate of himself with the same exact cold. and each 356 00:31:04,214 --> 00:31:10,455 time a duplicate sneezed, it created its own duplicate. At exactly 9.06 a.m., his apartment 357 00:31:10,475 --> 00:31:17,317 was half full of dupes. At what time will his apartment be completely full? That's an easy 358 00:31:17,437 --> 00:31:23,259 one. I mean, if he's doubling every minute and then at 9.06, his apartment is half full, it 359 00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:29,140 means at 9.07, it will be full. Correct. You're right. Whatever. It was an easy one. It was 360 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,978 an easy one. Yeah. The number of multiple men doubles each minute. Therefore you can say 361 00:31:34,018 --> 00:31:40,002 that at 9-07 his apartment is full, being half full the previous minute. Okay, I don't get 362 00:31:40,022 --> 00:31:45,886 zapped either then. Yay. Alright. Riddle me this. Okay. I'm always moving forward, never 363 00:31:45,966 --> 00:31:54,112 looking back. My end limit, no one knows. More of me, they lack. Like a river, I do flow. 364 00:31:54,472 --> 00:32:01,417 Like a bird, I fly. Now go on and take a guess. What, say you, am I? It's either a clock or 365 00:32:01,537 --> 00:32:08,484 time. Motherfucker. Time, yeah it's time. Time? Yeah, that makes sense. Cause time flies, it 366 00:32:08,524 --> 00:32:13,087 always goes forward, you can never go back in time. That was an easy one. Okay, yeah, I guess 367 00:32:13,107 --> 00:32:18,810 so. You're right, it was an easy one. I wanted it to be easy. Alright, alright, next puzzle 368 00:32:18,830 --> 00:32:25,794 for the Riddler. The villain Toad is stuck in a muddy hole 100 feet deep and is trying to 369 00:32:25,854 --> 00:32:33,378 get out. Every minute he jumps up 25 feet but slides down 24 feet. How long does it take 370 00:32:33,478 --> 00:32:38,720 Toad to leap out the hole? Oh, this is like the frog in the well. Yes, except it's Toad 371 00:32:38,740 --> 00:32:42,982 in the hole as opposed to a frog in a well. Okay, ah, math, okay. It's not that hard of 372 00:32:43,002 --> 00:32:53,166 math. Essentially, he's going up a foot a minute? Correct. Okay, but by 75 minutes, 75 minutes, 373 00:32:53,226 --> 00:32:58,208 right? Because 75 minutes, all he'll need is one more jump. Oh, so 76 minutes. Correct, 374 00:32:58,769 --> 00:33:04,680 as 76 minutes or an hour and 16 minutes. Will take him up to a height of 76 feet at which 375 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,943 point when he leaps he'll leap 25 feet as usual He'll leap out of the hole and you won't slide 376 00:33:08,963 --> 00:33:13,466 back down nice Always worried for a second I was gonna do the math on that one right a lot 377 00:33:13,506 --> 00:33:16,869 of people say it'll take him a hundred minutes for that one and Calculating the one foot per 378 00:33:16,909 --> 00:33:20,731 minute thing, but they don't think about that last jump. Yeah, okay good Thank you. You're 379 00:33:20,751 --> 00:33:24,514 doing pretty well so far. Okay. I'm trying to stump you. I'm trying Let's see if I could 380 00:33:24,534 --> 00:33:30,722 do it with this next one riddle me this okay when I'm quick. I am deadly A rock, shell, 381 00:33:30,762 --> 00:33:38,528 and bone medley. As a man, I'd make you dream nearby ocean, sea, and stream. Rock, shell, 382 00:33:38,588 --> 00:33:43,712 and bone medley. Makes me think it's like a wave or something, but what makes you dream? 383 00:33:44,312 --> 00:33:50,316 Sleep? Like what puts you to sleep? Like laying by the ocean puts you to sleep? No? Is that? 384 00:33:51,217 --> 00:33:59,086 Sandman! Sand! Oh, mother- Yes. Sand? Yeah, it's sand. Yeah! I was worried about that third 385 00:33:59,106 --> 00:34:02,469 line as I was reading it. I was like, oh, this is too easy. Yeah, that kind of gives it away. 386 00:34:02,509 --> 00:34:06,111 The whole as a man I make you sleep thing. That's really the whole riddle. Yeah. Yeah, that's 387 00:34:06,131 --> 00:34:13,696 the whole riddle right there. All right. So next puzzle for the Riddler. You are Nightcrawler. 388 00:34:14,117 --> 00:34:20,181 You are trying to save Juggernaut, Deadpool and a Chimichanga from the roof of a burning 389 00:34:20,241 --> 00:34:26,225 building. You have to teleport all three to the safety of the street below, but you can 390 00:34:26,285 --> 00:34:31,841 only teleport. one at a time. Now you can't leave Deadpool all alone with the chimichanga 391 00:34:32,242 --> 00:34:37,146 because he'll eat it. You can't leave Juggernaut all alone with Deadpool because he'll rip Deadpool 392 00:34:37,186 --> 00:34:43,511 to shreds. Now in what sequence can you safely teleport all three from the burning building 393 00:34:43,731 --> 00:34:47,474 to the street? Can't you just have Deadpool eat the chimichanga? What's wrong with him 394 00:34:47,554 --> 00:34:51,017 eating the- You have to save the chimichanga, that's part of the rules of the puzzle. You 395 00:34:51,037 --> 00:34:55,221 have to save the Juggernaut, Deadpool, and the chimichanga from the burning building through 396 00:34:55,241 --> 00:34:59,865 teleportation. Okay. Again, you can only teleport one at a time and you can't leave Deadpool 397 00:34:59,925 --> 00:35:04,088 alone with either the chimichanga and you can't leave him alone with the juggernaut. Okay. 398 00:35:04,128 --> 00:35:09,433 So what's the sequence? Okay, so like okay, so juggernaut is not gonna eat the chimichanga? 399 00:35:09,613 --> 00:35:16,259 Correct, right. Yeah, he's safe with the chimichanga. Okay. Okay, so Nightcrawler will teleport Deadpool 400 00:35:16,339 --> 00:35:24,025 first and then go back for juggernaut. Okay. Okay, so then he takes juggernaut across the 401 00:35:24,045 --> 00:35:28,732 street. But he could take Deadpool back to the burning building, right? Correct. Yes. OK. 402 00:35:28,892 --> 00:35:32,614 Well, then he takes Deadpool back to the burning building, grabs the chimichanga, goes back 403 00:35:32,654 --> 00:35:37,056 across the street, leaves the chimichanga with Juggernaut and then goes back for Deadpool 404 00:35:37,316 --> 00:35:41,399 and brings him back across the street. So all are safe now. Yep. You got it. You got it. 405 00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:45,841 Fuck. I thought that would be a hard one. It's just it's just a lot. It takes a lot of back 406 00:35:45,861 --> 00:35:49,783 and forth. Yeah. Basically, if you just remember that Juggernaut is safe with the chimichanga, 407 00:35:50,024 --> 00:35:54,446 then you kind of work from there. Yeah. Then it's pretty straightforward. Yeah. Alright, 408 00:35:54,686 --> 00:36:02,030 next. Riddle me this. Reaching stiffly for the sky, I bare my fingers when it's cold. In warmth, 409 00:36:02,170 --> 00:36:11,055 I wear an emerald glove, and in between I dress in gold. Uh, reach gloved hands to the cold 410 00:36:11,115 --> 00:36:17,699 sky? Yeah, dressing in green and gold. Yes. In warmth, I wear- Oh, it's a tree! Or a branch. 411 00:36:17,859 --> 00:36:22,758 Okay, alright. Yeah, it's a tree. It's either a branch or a tree. That one was obvious. Okay. 412 00:36:22,778 --> 00:36:29,043 I suck. These are way easy. The Riddler is a horrible, horrible deliverer of riddles. Alright, 413 00:36:29,884 --> 00:36:36,350 Riddler's turn. So Mirage, from the New Mutants, encounters a bear in a wasteland at night, 414 00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:42,695 where no one else is around. Mistaking it for the Demon Bear, Mirage runs away to the north 415 00:36:43,115 --> 00:36:50,718 by 20 yards. The bear runs away to the west by 30 yards. Suddenly, Mirage stops... She 416 00:36:50,778 --> 00:36:56,982 aims her psionic bow directly south and shoots the bear with a neural arrow. What color was 417 00:36:57,022 --> 00:37:02,646 the bear? What the fuck? Why does it matter if she shoots him? She would have missed because 418 00:37:02,686 --> 00:37:07,549 he wasn't there to begin with. She aims directly south and she shoots him. But he's not there 419 00:37:07,569 --> 00:37:13,493 because he's 30 yards west. That doesn't make any sense. The question is, what color is the 420 00:37:13,533 --> 00:37:20,082 bear, sir? You never said the color. Brown. The bear is brown. Bears are brown. BOOM you 421 00:37:20,102 --> 00:37:22,604 just got electrocuted! Riddler just got electrocuted! Zzzz 422 00:37:49,438 --> 00:37:54,921 You sit-a-lin geometry on me. Yeah, actually Einstein wrote this riddle. Really? Yeah, except 423 00:37:55,001 --> 00:37:59,305 obviously he didn't use Mirage and the demon bear, it was just a hunter and a polar bear. 424 00:37:59,885 --> 00:38:07,790 First of all, you said a wasteland. Yeah, the North Pole's a fucking wasteland. Whatever, 425 00:38:07,991 --> 00:38:16,357 fine. All right, your turn. Yay, I'm winning. Okay, here we go. Last one, prepare to be electrocuted. 426 00:38:16,897 --> 00:38:22,935 Riddle me this. What's the beginning of eternity, the end of time and space, the beginning of 427 00:38:23,015 --> 00:38:29,577 every end, and the end of every race? I know this one. What? I've heard this one before. 428 00:38:29,977 --> 00:38:35,158 It's the letter E. Fuck! Right? What? The beginning of eternity, the end of time and space, time 429 00:38:35,178 --> 00:38:40,140 and space ends with the letter E. The beginning of every end. Yeah. And the end of every race. 430 00:38:40,380 --> 00:38:45,381 Right. Well look at you! I got them all right! Alright, here's the last puzzle for the Riddler. 431 00:38:46,006 --> 00:38:53,148 Beast is developing a chemical solution to power the X-Jet with alternative fuels. His new formula 432 00:38:53,468 --> 00:39:00,750 calls for exactly 4 liters of liquid nitrogen. The problem is he only has an unmarked 5 liter 433 00:39:00,850 --> 00:39:07,992 Erlenmeyer flask and an unmarked 3 liter Erlenmeyer flask. How can he use these flasks to measure 434 00:39:08,092 --> 00:39:13,522 out the 4 liters of liquid that he needs? Why are all of yours involving math? That's what 435 00:39:13,542 --> 00:39:19,286 I want to know. This is barely math. It's like elementary addition and subtraction math. Okay. 436 00:39:19,306 --> 00:39:27,071 Yeah. So they're unmarked flasks and he needs four liters. Right. Did you ever see Die Hard 437 00:39:27,091 --> 00:39:30,914 with a Vengeance? This puzzle was in that movie. Oh yeah? Yeah. Awesome, I should have seen 438 00:39:30,934 --> 00:39:40,041 the movie. I know how to do it. I would fill up the five liter flask. Uh-huh. And then I 439 00:39:40,061 --> 00:39:44,254 would empty three of the liters. into the three liter flask. Right, you'd fill that three liter 440 00:39:44,274 --> 00:39:47,895 flask up. Right, all the way to the top. So I would, I know I would have two liters in 441 00:39:47,935 --> 00:39:53,337 the five liter flask. Right. And three liters in the three liter flask. Correct. So I just 442 00:39:53,357 --> 00:39:58,418 need to figure out how to get rid of the one and the three liter. Well, where's the nitrogen 443 00:39:58,458 --> 00:40:03,460 coming from? It's coming from a liquid nitrogen tank. You can pour liquid out too, is all I'm 444 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:08,261 saying. Just dump it on the floor, you know. He has an unlimited supply of liquid nitrogen. 445 00:40:08,861 --> 00:40:16,499 Okay, that's good to know. Okay, so I still have five liters. I'll empty out the three 446 00:40:16,519 --> 00:40:22,500 liter flask, put the two liters that I still have in the five liter flask into the three 447 00:40:22,540 --> 00:40:28,262 liter flask. Right? So it's one liter away from being full. Correct. And there's nothing in 448 00:40:28,302 --> 00:40:33,363 the five liter flask now. Right. Okay, well then I'll just fill up the five liter flask 449 00:40:34,304 --> 00:40:40,025 and then empty one liter of it into the three liter flask. So I have four left over in the 450 00:40:40,065 --> 00:40:43,943 five. and I'll just dump whatever's in the three liter flask. And you have your four liter right 451 00:40:43,963 --> 00:40:51,565 there. Boom, boom. You got it. I'm smart, dude. All I know is that we've come to the end of 452 00:40:51,605 --> 00:40:56,086 the riddles and the puzzles and the Riddler was the only one that got any of these questions 453 00:40:56,126 --> 00:41:02,408 wrong. So guess what? Arcade presses his trigger and the Riddler gets zapped and electrocuted 454 00:41:02,668 --> 00:41:08,842 until he dies. Yeah, except that the Riddler used a reverse frequency. Analyzer on his cane 455 00:41:08,982 --> 00:41:14,144 what to redirect the frequency to arcade and he got electrocuted He doesn't have a sucker. 456 00:41:14,204 --> 00:41:20,587 It's a reverse frequency Versus transmission frequencies shut up. That's cheating. No. Yeah, 457 00:41:20,607 --> 00:41:24,969 that's fine. Well, okay the river cheats Well, he cheats all the time. Yes What little did 458 00:41:24,989 --> 00:41:30,792 you know that arcade wouldn't dare risk putting an electrified taser disc on his own body? 459 00:41:31,172 --> 00:41:36,090 Not knowing whether or not he would know the answers and get out of this alive. So He actually 460 00:41:36,130 --> 00:41:39,813 just projected a hologram of himself right there. That was a hologram that was answering these 461 00:41:39,853 --> 00:41:43,937 questions. In reality, Arcade's been standing behind Riddler this whole time, and he just 462 00:41:43,977 --> 00:41:49,201 shoots him with a gun. Oh yeah? Yeah. Well, little did you know that the Riddler noticed 463 00:41:49,221 --> 00:41:54,386 that Arcade was a hologram through his powers of deduction, and he knew that the real one 464 00:41:54,406 --> 00:41:59,250 was probably up behind him. What? So before Arcade could fire that gun, the Riddler spins 465 00:41:59,270 --> 00:42:03,738 around in his chair and uses his cane to knock the gun out of Arcade's hand. Alright, okay, 466 00:42:03,758 --> 00:42:06,861 so now this is just like a full-on brawl then, eh? Let's do it! We're not fighting with our 467 00:42:06,881 --> 00:42:11,104 brains anymore? Come at me, bro. So, Arcade lunges at Riddler and pounces on him, knocks 468 00:42:11,124 --> 00:42:15,408 him off his chair, and starts choking the shit out of him. How are you gonna choke someone 469 00:42:15,708 --> 00:42:20,813 with a long metal cane, who's hitting you in the head? Well, Arcade gets hit in the head 470 00:42:20,853 --> 00:42:25,457 and he rolls away, and then... No, he's out. He's been knocked unconscious. No, no, you 471 00:42:25,477 --> 00:42:30,341 know, he's concussed. He's not unconscious. But he, like, throws up his fist, and like 472 00:42:30,361 --> 00:42:35,317 this hard light... holographic like boxing glove on a spring shoots out and punches Riddler 473 00:42:35,337 --> 00:42:40,582 in the face knocking him out cold. Hard light? Yeah, it's Shiar technology. Okay, well if 474 00:42:40,622 --> 00:42:45,686 Arcade isn't knocked unconscious with the cane, the Riddler isn't with the boxing glove. That's 475 00:42:45,726 --> 00:42:50,450 fair I guess. And then the Riddler pulls out a gun and shoots Arcade in the face. Except 476 00:42:50,510 --> 00:42:57,456 Arcade leaps out of the way and he starts flying using these air stepper shoes that he has, 477 00:42:57,496 --> 00:43:02,879 or he can like walk on air. What the fuck is this shit? Yeah, he has those. And then he 478 00:43:02,899 --> 00:43:07,161 just drops a bomb onto the Riddler. Okay well as the bomb is dropping, that's when the Riddler 479 00:43:07,181 --> 00:43:14,284 is like, RIDDLE ME THIS! I see without seeing. To me, darkness is as clear as daylight. What 480 00:43:14,324 --> 00:43:19,847 am I? Arcade says who gives a shit, and then Riddler blows up. A bat! And so he swings his 481 00:43:19,887 --> 00:43:26,214 cane like a bat, knocking the bomb back at Arcade. You got that riddle from Batman Forever. It 482 00:43:26,234 --> 00:43:32,157 was the only thing I could come up with at the last minute for a bat. Okay, so allegedly this 483 00:43:32,197 --> 00:43:38,440 is the type of bomb that could be batted upwards Yes. and still not explode. Whatever. We'll 484 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:43,782 end our improvised scenario there where either Arcade gets blown up with his own bomb or the 485 00:43:43,822 --> 00:43:47,964 Riddler gets blown up with Arcade's bomb. And we'll go ahead and run the simulations and 486 00:43:48,004 --> 00:43:49,965 find out which of these characters wins this match. 487 00:43:54,798 --> 00:44:00,603 Alright, as much as I wanted that to be a battle of minds, you made it devolve into a battle 488 00:44:00,703 --> 00:44:05,647 of fists in the end. What? Yeah, with your transmitter reversal device. They had to start punching 489 00:44:05,667 --> 00:44:10,392 each other because they couldn't electrocute each other. Now intelligence wise, these guys 490 00:44:10,552 --> 00:44:15,196 are probably on par with each other. Now I would say that Riddler has a higher success rate 491 00:44:15,256 --> 00:44:20,301 in the comics than Arcade. However Arcade frequently goes up against more powerful heroes than I 492 00:44:20,321 --> 00:44:25,204 would say the Riddler does. For the most part, the Riddler usually sticks to Gotham City in 493 00:44:25,424 --> 00:44:30,346 Batman, but he's taken his gig to Central City to fight the Flash before. That being said, 494 00:44:30,426 --> 00:44:35,149 it's pretty rare. Yeah, the rest of their stats were also pretty comparable in addition to 495 00:44:35,169 --> 00:44:39,331 their intelligence. It's hard to say exactly what equipment each of these characters has 496 00:44:39,471 --> 00:44:44,254 on them, so we kind of went with what you could consider default weapons. For Riddler, it included 497 00:44:44,294 --> 00:44:49,917 his cane, as well as some question mark flashbangs and a gun, a pistol. Arcade, that was even 498 00:44:49,977 --> 00:44:55,139 harder. but we assume that he had some kind of holographic image inducer, maybe some explosives, 499 00:44:55,660 --> 00:45:01,142 maybe a gun. So that being said, we figured Arcade could probably deliver a higher damage 500 00:45:01,202 --> 00:45:06,244 level than Riddler at any average given moment. Correct, because basically he's just dealing 501 00:45:06,264 --> 00:45:11,026 with technology that's a little bit more advanced than Riddler typically works with. Right. But 502 00:45:11,066 --> 00:45:14,427 in terms of like, you know, strength, speed, durability... They're average. They're not 503 00:45:14,467 --> 00:45:19,914 typically lifting weights, you know? The only things these guys are lifting are... Pencils 504 00:45:19,934 --> 00:45:25,195 to fill out their Sudoku. Right, exactly. Alright, so who do you think won between these two characters? 505 00:45:25,795 --> 00:45:30,977 I'm pretty convinced it's Arcade. Just because of the few stats where he ranks higher than 506 00:45:30,997 --> 00:45:37,159 the Red Lurin, namely damage and evasiveness, we figured that his holograms would make him 507 00:45:37,179 --> 00:45:42,120 a little bit more tricky with his illusion casting and possible force field generation. Right, 508 00:45:42,340 --> 00:45:46,821 again it all comes down to the toys that they're using at the moment. So that being said... 509 00:45:47,266 --> 00:45:55,512 The winner of the Riddler vs Arcade is... You're correct, it's Arcade. What a cheater! Arcade 510 00:45:55,692 --> 00:46:04,499 won 651 matches out of the 1000 simulations. The Riddler only won 349. So it wasn't that 511 00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:10,004 close of a match. No, I'm not surprised. When one character is higher than another character, 512 00:46:10,304 --> 00:46:14,868 even if it's by a little bit in multiple stats, it's gonna skew the results in their favor. 513 00:46:15,348 --> 00:46:23,243 By skew, you mean... totally stop, totally annihilate. What a cheater. Totally win. I'm just in character 514 00:46:23,263 --> 00:46:30,546 right now, what a cheater. That does it for this episode. Arcade beats Riddler 65.1% of 515 00:46:30,566 --> 00:46:34,467 the time. Go ahead and reach out to us guys, let us know what you thought about this matchup. 516 00:46:34,787 --> 00:46:39,048 And you can do that on social media, on Facebook, Instagram, or Twitter. Just visit our website, 517 00:46:39,088 --> 00:46:43,486 dynamicduel.com, and you can get links to all of our social media profiles. If you visit 518 00:46:43,506 --> 00:46:48,070 our website at dynamicduel.com, you'll also find a link to our merchandise store, which 519 00:46:48,090 --> 00:46:53,955 is on T-Public. 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