1 00:00:00,930 --> 00:00:02,972 This is a DynaMic Network podcast. 2 00:00:24,686 --> 00:00:28,647 Hey and welcome to the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly show where we review superhero films 3 00:00:28,747 --> 00:00:33,729 and debate the superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing their characters and stat-based 4 00:00:33,849 --> 00:00:40,132 battle simulations. I'm Marvelous Joe. And I'm his twin brother Johnny DC. And in this episode, 5 00:00:40,492 --> 00:00:45,934 guys, we're going to find out who would win in a fight between DC's The Monitor and Marvel's 6 00:00:46,435 --> 00:00:51,917 The Watcher. Now we're coming straight off of our review of What If Season 3 in which The 7 00:00:51,977 --> 00:00:57,919 Watcher Uwatu plays a prominent role, and the executive producers figured now was as good 8 00:00:57,959 --> 00:01:02,740 a time as any to use that character in a duel and find out who would win when we put him 9 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:07,941 against DC's equivalent. Yeah, for a while there we were considering doing anti-Monitor or maybe 10 00:01:08,002 --> 00:01:12,383 Metron against Watcher, but we voted on Monitor. This speculation will get pretty interesting. 11 00:01:12,763 --> 00:01:16,484 Yeah, we'll find out who will win between those two characters later on this episode. Before 12 00:01:16,524 --> 00:01:19,825 that, we're going to break down the comic book movie news to come out this past week of which 13 00:01:19,865 --> 00:01:26,840 there was none. You get nothing. You stole fizzy lifting drinks. Good day, sir. Yeah, there's 14 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:31,963 a ton of rumors going on out there right now in regards to both the DCU and MCU, but nothing 15 00:01:32,003 --> 00:01:37,006 really concrete. We will be breaking down this week's no prize winners and giving a question 16 00:01:37,026 --> 00:01:41,308 of the week though. As always, we list our segment times in our episode description, so feel free 17 00:01:41,328 --> 00:01:45,991 to check out the show notes if you want to skip ahead to a particular topic. Our artificially 18 00:01:46,011 --> 00:01:52,946 intelligent Duel simulator AJ9K has a quick message for our listeners, so listen up. Why 19 00:01:53,006 --> 00:01:57,407 hello there, do you want even more from this podcast? Then become a part of the dynamic 20 00:01:57,447 --> 00:02:02,490 Duel community on Patreon, where you can choose from three tiers. The dynamic two-oh tier gives 21 00:02:02,510 --> 00:02:07,432 you access to our Discord chat server. The fantastic four tier gives you two bonus episodes each 22 00:02:07,492 --> 00:02:13,042 month, and the X-Force tier makes you an executive producer of this show. Lastly, The Diner Mike 23 00:02:13,062 --> 00:02:18,147 podcast network tier lets you create your own podcast using this Monte Carlo simulator. Johnny 24 00:02:18,167 --> 00:02:22,631 and Joe will help you develop your show, provide graphic support and consultation, and get you 25 00:02:22,671 --> 00:02:28,157 simulation results. Pitch the twins your ideas via email at dynamicduelpodcast at gmail.com. 26 00:02:29,218 --> 00:02:35,504 Check it out at patreon.com slash dynamicduel. Pip pip cheerio. Thanks AJ and AK and thanks 27 00:02:35,524 --> 00:02:39,986 to everyone who supports the podcast. Be sure guys to tune into the other shows in the DynaMic 28 00:02:40,026 --> 00:02:44,087 Podcast Network this week including Max Destruction which pits your favorite action heroes from 29 00:02:44,147 --> 00:02:48,989 film and television against each other. This week, hosts Scotty and Gilly are finding out 30 00:02:49,049 --> 00:02:54,830 who would win between Homelander from The Boys and Omni-Man from Invincible. It's a big one. 31 00:02:55,290 --> 00:02:59,832 On the Send Your World podcast, host Zachary Hepburn speculates on fights between fan favorite 32 00:02:59,912 --> 00:03:04,613 anime and manga characters. Zach is off this week, but make sure to check out his latest 33 00:03:04,673 --> 00:03:10,192 episodes if you have not already. On the Console Combat podcast, host John and Dean simulate 34 00:03:10,212 --> 00:03:14,896 battles between popular video game characters. In yesterday's episode, they found out who 35 00:03:14,916 --> 00:03:21,822 would win between Jax from Mortal Kombat and Jack 8 from Tekken. Visit dynamicpodcasts.com 36 00:03:22,342 --> 00:03:26,886 or click the link in our show notes to listen to all of the shows in the DynaMic Podcast 37 00:03:26,986 --> 00:03:34,070 Network. But with that out of the way, quick to the no prize. A No Prize is an award Marvel 38 00:03:34,110 --> 00:03:39,211 used to give out to fans. Our version, the Dynamic Duel No Prize, is a digital award that we pushed 39 00:03:39,251 --> 00:03:44,293 on Instagram for the person we feel gave the best answer to our question of the week. Last 40 00:03:44,333 --> 00:03:52,575 week we asked you guys if you could recast any other DCEU actor in a DCU role, who would it 41 00:03:52,615 --> 00:03:57,717 be and why? And this is coming off the news that Jason Momoa has been cast as Lobo in James 42 00:03:57,757 --> 00:04:04,063 Gunn's new DC movie universe. having previously been in the DCEU of course as Aquaman. We got 43 00:04:04,103 --> 00:04:08,365 a total of four answers, so we have three honorable mentions to go over before revealing this week's 44 00:04:08,445 --> 00:04:14,688 no-price winner. Our first honorable mention goes to Colby Henches, who said, Hey boys, 45 00:04:14,708 --> 00:04:21,311 Colby Henches. If any DCEU actor were coming back, I'd like to see it be everybody's favorite 46 00:04:21,331 --> 00:04:27,493 Flash Thompson, Joe Manganiello. He only got to be Deathstroke for like two seconds on screen. 47 00:04:28,210 --> 00:04:32,252 I'd love to see him come back as Deathstroke, but if we're recasting, I think he'd be a great 48 00:04:32,332 --> 00:04:38,195 Midnighter in the upcoming Authority movie. Yeah, Deathstroke is an A-tier villain in DC 49 00:04:38,235 --> 00:04:42,578 Comics, not only for teams like the Titans, but also the Justice League. I would love to 50 00:04:42,618 --> 00:04:47,780 see him in action on screen in a way that we haven't before, like on the small screen with 51 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:54,024 the Titans show or even Arrow. And yeah, Joe Manganiello was definitely robbed of the opportunity 52 00:04:54,064 --> 00:04:59,671 to play that badass character in a movie. No one quite has had it as bad, I think, as Joe 53 00:04:59,711 --> 00:05:04,094 Manganiello. So I think he would be great in the role. I think he deserves to be seen. Yeah, 54 00:05:04,194 --> 00:05:08,437 100%. I also would have hated him as Midnighter, but I would let him choose what role he wanted 55 00:05:08,457 --> 00:05:11,940 to play. Great answer, Colby Hentges. Let's go ahead and move on to our next honorable 56 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:17,724 mention given by Miggy Matangian, who said. Hey, what's up, guys? This is Miggy, and if 57 00:05:17,944 --> 00:05:25,869 I could recast a DCEU actor in the DCU, I would probably go with Keirsey Clemens as Miss Martian. 58 00:05:26,590 --> 00:05:32,511 She played Iris West previously. I think she just kind of has the vibe to like play an innocent 59 00:05:32,791 --> 00:05:38,213 character who's secretly hiding something. I could also see Jack Dylan Grazer as Beast Boy. 60 00:05:38,233 --> 00:05:45,235 Thanks guys. Yeah, those are both great options for young heroes within DC. I totally get what 61 00:05:45,255 --> 00:05:49,316 you're coming from with Kirsi Clemens. Kind of having those doe eyes makes her look innocent 62 00:05:49,356 --> 00:05:52,897 and cute like you mentioned. I don't know if you mentioned the cute part. I added that part. 63 00:05:53,157 --> 00:05:58,399 But yeah, Miss Martian should be cute. Jack Dylan Grazer as Beast Boy 2 is also a top choice. 64 00:05:58,660 --> 00:06:02,902 I will miss Ryan Potter in the role, but yeah, Jack Dylan Grazer has all of the qualities 65 00:06:02,922 --> 00:06:08,045 that I think you would want in a Beast Boy actor. If Keirce Clemens was Ms. Martian, who would 66 00:06:08,085 --> 00:06:14,388 you cast as Marsha Manhunter? Oh, Dennis Haysbert. Terrific voice, great actor. I think you would 67 00:06:14,428 --> 00:06:18,671 be perfect. That's a good call, that's a good call. Great answer, Miggy Mathenkean. Our next 68 00:06:18,691 --> 00:06:24,466 honorable mention goes to Brandon Estregard, who said. Hey guys. If I was able to bring 69 00:06:24,506 --> 00:06:30,891 back one actor from the DCU, it would have to be Eldris Hodge. I would cast him as Icon, 70 00:06:31,211 --> 00:06:37,475 and for bonus I would cast Bailey Bass as Rocket. Yeah, Eldris Hodge is another great actor that 71 00:06:37,515 --> 00:06:42,879 I will definitely miss if he's not brought back for James Gunn's DCU. I think he would make, 72 00:06:42,919 --> 00:06:47,402 like, really any great superhero. I would love to see him as Icon, because I would love for 73 00:06:47,422 --> 00:06:52,518 there to be an Icon movie. That would be a fantastic story to put on the screen, for sure. Icons 74 00:06:52,578 --> 00:06:56,161 like Superman, but he's different enough where I think audiences would really latch onto it. 75 00:06:56,621 --> 00:07:01,005 I'm not familiar with Bailey Bass. I guess she was an avatar, the second one. But yeah, from 76 00:07:01,045 --> 00:07:05,508 the looks of it, I think she would be a terrific Rocket as well. Yeah, we pit Rocket against 77 00:07:05,689 --> 00:07:10,192 Spider-Gwen in a Duel episode. If you guys want to learn more about Icon and Rocket. But great 78 00:07:10,232 --> 00:07:16,477 answer, Brandon Estregard. The winner of this week's No Prize goes to Noah Terry, who said, 79 00:07:16,998 --> 00:07:24,355 Hey, guys, so if I could recast any TCU actor into the DCU, it would be Asher Angel aka Billy 80 00:07:24,395 --> 00:07:31,338 Batson as Nightwing. I think that he can definitely act with heart. He's no stranger to action 81 00:07:31,659 --> 00:07:36,101 and he would just be a great fit to see him in Batman, the Brave and the Bold. So that's 82 00:07:36,141 --> 00:07:42,905 my answer. Thanks, bye guys. Yeah, I cannot wait to see Nightwing on the big screen. He's 83 00:07:42,925 --> 00:07:47,444 a really important character. You know, besides the Trinity, I think he's probably the fourth 84 00:07:47,484 --> 00:07:52,107 most important character in DC comics. And Asher Angel definitely has the look for Nightwing. 85 00:07:52,487 --> 00:07:56,910 He may be a little young for the character, but hey, if that's the case, there's always 86 00:07:57,010 --> 00:08:01,213 Red Hood. By the time the movie comes out, he'll be old enough. Do you think he would do as 87 00:08:01,274 --> 00:08:06,337 good of a job as Dick Grayson as Chris O'Donnell did? Yeah, that's not even a question. I'm 88 00:08:06,597 --> 00:08:11,141 not concerned about that. My big concern is can he do a better job than Brenton Thwaites 89 00:08:11,201 --> 00:08:16,784 from the Titan series? because Brenton Thwaites is a phenomenal actor and he did way better 90 00:08:16,804 --> 00:08:21,788 than was even necessary for the character of Dick Grayson in Nightwing in that show. That's 91 00:08:21,828 --> 00:08:26,571 true, yeah, he would be the guy to beat. He's by far the best Dick Grayson on screen. Great 92 00:08:26,631 --> 00:08:30,214 answer, Noah Terry, you win this week's No Prize. If you, the listener, want a shot at winning 93 00:08:30,234 --> 00:08:34,717 your own No Prize, stay tuned to later on this episode when we'll be asking another Question 94 00:08:34,737 --> 00:08:40,841 of the Week. And now that that's done, on to the news. There is no news. That's right, nevermind. 95 00:08:41,402 --> 00:08:42,750 On to the question of the week. 96 00:08:47,286 --> 00:08:54,713 What Marvel or DC theatrical film are you most looking forward to in 2025? That of course 97 00:08:54,793 --> 00:09:00,438 includes Superman, which is DC's only theatrical release this year, Captain America Brave New 98 00:09:00,458 --> 00:09:06,644 World, which releases in just about a month, The Fantastic Four First Steps, or Thunderbolts. 99 00:09:07,185 --> 00:09:13,114 Let us know which one you guys are most pumped to see in theaters in 2025. Record your answer 100 00:09:13,154 --> 00:09:17,557 at dynamicduel.com by clicking on the red microphone button in the bottom right-hand corner of the 101 00:09:17,577 --> 00:09:21,800 screen, which will prompt you to leave us a voicemail. Your message could be up to 30 seconds 102 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:26,204 long, and don't forget to leave your name in case we include you on the podcast. We'll pick 103 00:09:26,224 --> 00:09:30,827 our favorite answer and award that person a Dynamic Duel No Prize that we'll post to Instagram. 104 00:09:31,147 --> 00:09:33,989 Be sure to answer before January 18th. 105 00:09:41,218 --> 00:09:45,685 But I think we're ready now to go ahead and dive into our duel and find out who would win 106 00:09:45,745 --> 00:09:50,133 in a fight between DC's monitor and Marvel's watcher. 107 00:10:05,302 --> 00:10:10,443 Alright, the Monitor versus the Watcher. Now, as I mentioned earlier, we're doing this episode 108 00:10:10,503 --> 00:10:16,625 as a tie-in to the review of What If Season 3, which we spoke about last episode. At the 109 00:10:16,925 --> 00:10:23,006 end of that season, the character of the Watcher, also known as Uwatu, kicks all kinds of ass. 110 00:10:23,287 --> 00:10:27,888 He throws down against the other Watchers, and it was really a sight to behold. It was a great 111 00:10:27,908 --> 00:10:32,949 way to close out the show, despite the fact that it kinda goes against the pacifist ideals 112 00:10:33,149 --> 00:10:38,484 of the character. So this will be an interesting duel to get through in pitting two guys who 113 00:10:38,624 --> 00:10:43,067 are basically sworn to inaction against each other. Yeah, that's more of a watcher thing 114 00:10:43,087 --> 00:10:49,312 than a monitor thing. But yeah, these are essentially two characters who weren't created to interact 115 00:10:49,352 --> 00:10:53,995 in any way. They were just created to observe. So in determining how these characters would 116 00:10:54,075 --> 00:10:58,798 fight, we had to get kind of creative. Yeah, we've gotten creative in a few of our duel 117 00:10:58,838 --> 00:11:04,426 episodes before. Like if you listen to the Riddler versus Arcade, those are two characters. who 118 00:11:04,666 --> 00:11:09,127 don't really throw down a lot. You know, they use their mind in the battle, which is always 119 00:11:09,167 --> 00:11:13,568 hard to speculate on. So we ended up coming up with riddles to give each other to see who 120 00:11:13,608 --> 00:11:19,150 had the strongest mind. In the Mephisto versus Sandman duel episode, there was a game that 121 00:11:19,170 --> 00:11:25,171 was played between Sandman and the devil in the Sandman comic book series that we decided 122 00:11:25,211 --> 00:11:29,813 to run with for that duel speculation. And that was a lot of fun. And even if you look at our 123 00:11:29,853 --> 00:11:34,638 most recent duel episode, the one we did at the end of last year, where we pit dog pool 124 00:11:34,758 --> 00:11:40,081 against ace the bat hound. That was a different take. We put them against each other in a dog 125 00:11:40,101 --> 00:11:44,124 show because we didn't really wanna see two dogs tearing each other apart like in an actual 126 00:11:44,164 --> 00:11:48,486 dog fight. So we've gotten creative with this stuff before and I'm really excited to show 127 00:11:48,506 --> 00:11:54,069 you guys how we're going to pit these two observers against each other and test their observational 128 00:11:54,229 --> 00:11:58,672 skills. Yeah, I'm looking forward to that. I'm also looking forward to just giving the backstory 129 00:11:58,872 --> 00:12:02,618 of the monitor because giving the backstory of the monitor. is kind of like giving the 130 00:12:02,658 --> 00:12:08,142 backstory of the DC universe as a whole. So I kind of feel like this is a special episode. 131 00:12:08,723 --> 00:12:17,350 That's gonna be a really boring story. You could fuck you, fuck you. To explain our methodology 132 00:12:17,390 --> 00:12:22,473 behind our duels, let's go to our sentient Duel simulator, Alfred Jarvis 9000. AJ 9K, tell 133 00:12:22,494 --> 00:12:27,417 our listeners how you go about determining a winner in our Duel matchups. Yes, of course, 134 00:12:27,437 --> 00:12:32,227 sir. The way I determine a winner between the contestants is by running 1000 Monte Carlo 135 00:12:32,267 --> 00:12:37,268 simulations using the characters statistics. A Monte Carlo simulation is a probabilistic 136 00:12:37,308 --> 00:12:42,850 model used to determine outcomes through random sampling. In this case, I randomize the statistics 137 00:12:42,890 --> 00:12:47,591 along a normal distribution as a way to simulate the many variables that can occur during battle. 138 00:12:47,991 --> 00:12:52,732 The stat parameters are based on the official Marvel power grid from which the DC characters 139 00:12:52,772 --> 00:12:57,942 statistics are extrapolated. Additional stat categories are included such as range, damage 140 00:12:57,962 --> 00:13:03,383 potential, versatility and perception in order to create a more detailed and accurate simulation. 141 00:13:03,863 --> 00:13:08,665 The results of the 1000 simulations provide a percentage of wins for each character. The 142 00:13:08,705 --> 00:13:13,166 contestant with the higher percentage is declared the victor as they have a higher probability 143 00:13:13,206 --> 00:13:19,028 to win any given battle. In an equitable pairing, neither character should win 100% of the matches. 144 00:13:19,528 --> 00:13:24,022 The comic book stories have shown that there's even a way for Batman to defeat Superman. So 145 00:13:24,042 --> 00:13:27,923 the confidence rate of my method falls in line with the precedents that have been established 146 00:13:27,963 --> 00:13:33,504 in the source material. My mathematical simulations are without subjectivity or bias. Feats are 147 00:13:33,544 --> 00:13:39,326 not the sole consideration, nor are fan votes tabulated for determination of the winner. 148 00:13:39,346 --> 00:13:43,448 Thanks AJ and NK. Before we run the simulations though, we like to break down each character's 149 00:13:43,488 --> 00:13:48,389 histories and abilities before improvising a scenario on how we imagine one of the 1000 150 00:13:48,709 --> 00:13:52,514 simulations would play out. Beat for beat. And I believe it's my turn to go first with the 151 00:13:52,554 --> 00:13:57,796 Marvel character, so let me go ahead and tell you guys all about Uwatu the Watcher. The Watchers 152 00:13:57,836 --> 00:14:02,637 are one of the most ancient and advanced races in the Marvel Universe, originating billions 153 00:14:02,657 --> 00:14:07,619 of years ago. Known initially as the Luminous, they were revered for their vast knowledge 154 00:14:07,639 --> 00:14:12,801 and cosmic power, capable of transforming their bodies into light and traversing the universe 155 00:14:12,881 --> 00:14:17,947 in an instant. Their altruistic mission began with the noble goal of sharing their advanced 156 00:14:17,967 --> 00:14:23,172 knowledge to uplift less developed civilizations and foster universal progress. However, their 157 00:14:23,212 --> 00:14:28,836 first attempt to aid the planet Prasilius by introducing nuclear technology ended in catastrophic 158 00:14:28,896 --> 00:14:34,000 failure. The Prasilikans weaponized the knowledge, plunging the world into a devastating nuclear 159 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:39,325 war that annihilated their race. Ashamed and burdened by guilt, the Luminous took a solemn 160 00:14:39,365 --> 00:14:44,969 vow to observe and record the universe without interference, renaming themselves the Watchers. 161 00:14:45,578 --> 00:14:49,921 Relocating to various parts of the cosmos, they built an extraordinary repository of knowledge 162 00:14:49,981 --> 00:14:55,265 called the Acycopedia Universum, and established their sacred code of non-interference. Over 163 00:14:55,306 --> 00:15:00,330 millennia, they became cosmic chroniclers, silently witnessing the unfolding history of the universe, 164 00:15:00,790 --> 00:15:06,214 preserving its secrets, and standing as eternal guardians of knowledge. The lessons from Priscilla 165 00:15:06,234 --> 00:15:11,279 Kiss forever shaped their philosophy, instilling a deep-seated fear of unintended consequences 166 00:15:11,579 --> 00:15:17,524 and their cosmic responsibilities. Among the Watchers, Uatu was uniquely drawn to the complexity 167 00:15:17,564 --> 00:15:22,508 and resilience of Earth and its solar system. Establishing his base in the blue area of the 168 00:15:22,548 --> 00:15:28,553 moon, Uatu faithfully upheld his duties for millennia. His father, Ikor, was a staunch 169 00:15:28,633 --> 00:15:34,097 advocate of the Watcher's Code, shaping Uatu's early understanding of their mission and instilling 170 00:15:34,157 --> 00:15:40,242 in him a deep sense of responsibility. Despite his upbringing, Uatu developed a profound fascination 171 00:15:40,262 --> 00:15:46,162 with humanity and its capacity for both greatness and destruction. The unique Duelity of human 172 00:15:46,202 --> 00:15:51,925 nature with its boundless potential deeply resonated with Uatu, fostering a strong emotional connection 173 00:15:51,945 --> 00:15:56,747 with Earth's inhabitants. Uatu's first recorded interaction with humanity occurred in 1602, 174 00:15:58,387 --> 00:16:03,009 when a temporarily displaced Captain America threatened to unravel the time stream. Uatu 175 00:16:03,049 --> 00:16:07,951 revealed himself to an Elizabethan-era Doctor Strange who was instrumental in facilitating 176 00:16:07,991 --> 00:16:12,853 Captain America's return to his rightful time, thus preserving the integrity of the timeline. 177 00:16:13,302 --> 00:16:18,725 This event marked the beginning of a long history of subtle interventions that would define Uatu's 178 00:16:18,765 --> 00:16:24,049 role as Earth's watcher. In modern times, Uatu's fascination with humanity deepened when the 179 00:16:24,069 --> 00:16:29,533 Fantastic Four ventured to the moon and discovered his citadel. You can learn more about the Fantastic 180 00:16:29,553 --> 00:16:34,776 Four in their duel against the Justice Society. Uatu observed the Fantastic Four's battle against 181 00:16:34,796 --> 00:16:39,920 the Russian scientist known as the Red Ghost and his Super Apes, a conflict he allowed to 182 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:45,070 play out as a test of their mettle and unity. Impressed by the Fantastic Four's victory, 183 00:16:45,491 --> 00:16:50,873 Uatu began to subtly intervene in critical events on Earth, justifying his actions as necessary 184 00:16:50,913 --> 00:16:55,935 to safeguard the planet from existential threats. His involvement with the Fantastic Four established 185 00:16:55,975 --> 00:17:00,997 a precedent for future interactions with Earth's heroes, further intertwining his destiny with 186 00:17:01,037 --> 00:17:06,639 theirs. Among Uatu's most significant violations of the Watcher's Code was his involvement in 187 00:17:06,699 --> 00:17:12,578 humanity's first encounter with Galactus, the world's devouring cosmic entity. Using his 188 00:17:12,618 --> 00:17:17,939 advanced technology, Uatu attempted to cloak Earth from Galactus' detection, and later guided 189 00:17:17,959 --> 00:17:23,521 the Human Torch to Galactus' worldship to retrieve the Ultimate Nullifier, the only weapon capable 190 00:17:23,561 --> 00:17:28,062 of deterring the World's Devourer. You can learn more about Galactus in his duel against the 191 00:17:28,102 --> 00:17:33,384 Spectre. Though Galactus ultimately spared Earth, Uatu's actions drew the attention of his fellow 192 00:17:33,424 --> 00:17:38,545 Watchers, leading to a trial that found him guilty of repeated interference. Despite their 193 00:17:38,585 --> 00:17:43,709 disapproval, Uatu's love for humanity compelled him to continue observing Earth and its heroes 194 00:17:43,769 --> 00:17:49,152 closely, often justifying his defiance by the planet's unique potential and his belief that 195 00:17:49,232 --> 00:17:53,876 Earth held a special place in the cosmos. Over the following years, Uatu played a pivotal 196 00:17:53,936 --> 00:17:58,419 role in more events. He warned the Fantastic Four of threats like the Molecule Man and the 197 00:17:58,499 --> 00:18:03,362 Overmind, assisted the Avengers in battles against time-traveling foes such as King the Conqueror, 198 00:18:03,903 --> 00:18:09,174 and provided invaluable guidance during crises like the Kreisgrul War. Yet Uatu's compassion 199 00:18:09,214 --> 00:18:13,857 extended beyond humanity. He offered aid to extraterrestrial allies like the Silver Surfer, 200 00:18:14,297 --> 00:18:18,960 and intervened in cosmic disputes that threatened the stability of the universe. His penchant 201 00:18:18,980 --> 00:18:24,283 for continuing to bend the rules led to increased conflict with other Watchers, including his 202 00:18:24,343 --> 00:18:30,026 nephew, Eren. As a young Watcher who had not yet been assigned a station, Eren also broke 203 00:18:30,046 --> 00:18:34,269 the Watcher's code and schemed to manipulate the Fantastic Four to create a pocket universe 204 00:18:34,289 --> 00:18:39,879 that he could rule on his own. Uatu ultimately subdued Eren, an act that sacrificed his own 205 00:18:39,939 --> 00:18:44,501 status among the Watchers, as they stripped him of his title and exiled him from their 206 00:18:44,621 --> 00:18:50,804 order. Despite his exile, Uatu's bond with Earth remained unbroken. He continued to witness 207 00:18:50,844 --> 00:18:56,226 humanity's triumphs and tragedies. However, Uatu's history took a tragic turn as a citadel 208 00:18:56,306 --> 00:19:00,988 on the moon was attacked by a group of villains who sought to plunder his vast repository of 209 00:19:01,048 --> 00:19:06,670 knowledge. Uatu was gravely wounded and one of his eyes… containing the secrets of everything 210 00:19:06,690 --> 00:19:12,372 he had observed was stolen. Nick Fury, senior, seeking to prevent further misuse of the Watcher's 211 00:19:12,392 --> 00:19:18,174 knowledge, confronted the injured Uatu, who after being attacked had now become more steadfast 212 00:19:18,474 --> 00:19:24,496 in his code of non-interference. When Uatu refused to divulge his attackers identities, Fury took 213 00:19:24,516 --> 00:19:29,317 the drastic step of killing him with a gamma irradiated bullet and taking his remaining 214 00:19:29,517 --> 00:19:35,136 eye. This granted Nick Fury all of Uatu's knowledge, and he reluctantly inherited his role as Earth's 215 00:19:35,196 --> 00:19:40,879 observer, now known as the Unseen. You can learn more about Nick Fury Sr. in his son's duel 216 00:19:40,919 --> 00:19:47,262 against Rick Flag. However, Uatu was later miraculously resurrected from his own eye when the Unseen 217 00:19:47,302 --> 00:19:52,865 happened upon some ancient alien relics. Uatu reclaimed his role as the Watcher and employed 218 00:19:52,945 --> 00:19:58,131 the now- powerless Nick Fury to act as his agent against a newly discovered renegade faction 219 00:19:58,331 --> 00:20:03,133 of Priscilla Kins, the same race believed to have destroyed themselves all those eons ago. 220 00:20:03,594 --> 00:20:09,516 As they were now waging a war against the Watchers, Uatu traveled to his home planet of T-37X to 221 00:20:09,576 --> 00:20:14,318 call the other Watchers to action. Yet they still vowed not to interfere so as not to repeat 222 00:20:14,338 --> 00:20:19,000 the mistakes of their past, and the Watchers imprisoned Uatu. Using a device called the 223 00:20:19,140 --> 00:20:25,163 Apex of All Realities, which could see what-if worlds, they made Uatu watch an alternate reality 224 00:20:25,263 --> 00:20:30,406 in which he had not helped the Fantastic Four against Galactus. He saw that not only would 225 00:20:30,506 --> 00:20:34,708 Earth have repelled the World Devourer on its own, but the planet would have developed into 226 00:20:34,748 --> 00:20:40,711 a scientific utopia. Distraught, Uatu was soon rescued by Nick Fury, and he later learned 227 00:20:40,771 --> 00:20:45,914 that alternate Earth would have eventually been destroyed by its own technology. As the Priscilla 228 00:20:45,934 --> 00:20:47,415 Kins poisoned the Watcher's 229 00:20:52,962 --> 00:20:58,524 who merged with the apex of all realities to become the one and only Watcher. He used his 230 00:20:58,604 --> 00:21:03,666 increased power to restore the Priscilla's home, and reinstated Nick Fury Senior as Earth's 231 00:21:03,746 --> 00:21:09,269 new Watcher. And that's his backstory. Powers-wise, the Watcher, like every member of his race, 232 00:21:09,349 --> 00:21:14,751 is considered a cosmic-level being with vast power and knowledge. Though he's sworn to inaction, 233 00:21:14,791 --> 00:21:19,313 he will occasionally take the minimal steps necessary to prevent large-scale death and 234 00:21:19,333 --> 00:21:25,643 destruction. Among his vast power set is omniscient level cosmic awareness and senses, immortality, 235 00:21:26,143 --> 00:21:33,125 telepathy on a global scale, teleportation on a universal scale, invisibility, illusion casting, 236 00:21:33,585 --> 00:21:40,847 time travel, flight, vast durability, size alteration, vast cosmic energies that can create blasts 237 00:21:40,907 --> 00:21:46,108 on a global scale or shields or other constructs. He also has an extra-dimensional portal that 238 00:21:46,129 --> 00:21:53,156 he can use to see into alternate realities. He is all-knowing, he's all-powerful, and today 239 00:21:53,176 --> 00:21:58,141 he's gonna kick all kinds of monitor ass. Bro, the Watcher is like monitor light. What are 240 00:21:58,161 --> 00:22:03,646 you talking about? If by monitor light you mean gonna totally stomp all over monitor's ass, 241 00:22:03,686 --> 00:22:10,171 then yeah. No, you don't know what light means, apparently. You'll get what I'm talking about 242 00:22:10,231 --> 00:22:12,333 when I go over the monitor's backstory. 243 00:22:17,258 --> 00:22:23,779 was one of three cosmic siblings created by Perpetua, a celestial being known as a Hand 244 00:22:24,079 --> 00:22:29,161 that hailed from the greater omniverse. The Hands were tasked with creating multiverses 245 00:22:29,421 --> 00:22:35,643 within the omniverse using anti-crisis energy from the source, God essentially, intended 246 00:22:35,723 --> 00:22:42,985 to pass their energies back to him upon completion. Perpetua, however, defied her purpose, forging 247 00:22:43,085 --> 00:22:49,766 a multiverse fueled by negative crisis energy. the DC Multiverse, designed to perpetuate itself 248 00:22:49,786 --> 00:22:55,548 through cycles of crises and rebirth that would keep her alive. Perpetua shaped her multiverse 249 00:22:55,588 --> 00:23:01,990 into three distinct realms, dark matter of creative potential, positive matter of constancy and 250 00:23:02,110 --> 00:23:09,312 order, and destructive antimatter. To oversee these realms, she created her three sons. Marnovu, 251 00:23:09,452 --> 00:23:14,490 the Monitor, was charged with safeguarding the positive matter realm. and preserving the universes 252 00:23:14,550 --> 00:23:20,194 within it from existential threats. Alpheus, the World Forger, crafted potential universes 253 00:23:20,234 --> 00:23:26,497 within the Dark Matter Realm. Mobius, the Anti-Monitor, governed the Anti-Matter Realm, tasked with 254 00:23:26,557 --> 00:23:31,700 ensuring the light of creation did not breach the boundaries of the Greater Omniverse and 255 00:23:31,740 --> 00:23:37,784 alert the Source. Curious about the Greater Omniverse, Marnovu peered into it and its other 256 00:23:37,844 --> 00:23:44,258 multiverses, becoming aware of his mother's crime. When he confronted Perpetua, she revealed 257 00:23:44,298 --> 00:23:50,380 her intent to remain as their multiverse's eternal protector and shared her vision of omniversal 258 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:56,442 conquest. To achieve this, she merged Martians and humans to create an army of perfect and 259 00:23:56,482 --> 00:24:03,143 immortal beings known as Apex Predators, genetically designed for endless warfare. Horrified and 260 00:24:03,183 --> 00:24:08,825 fearing the judgment of the source, Marnovu rejected his mother, who unleashed her Apex 261 00:24:08,865 --> 00:24:15,880 Predators on him. Marnovu eventually united with Alpheus and Mobius to oppose their mother. 262 00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:21,984 In their Promethean galaxy, they created a colossal tuning fork tower in an attempt to communicate 263 00:24:22,004 --> 00:24:27,447 with the Omniverse to expose Perpetua's crimes, and though she attempted to intervene by unleashing 264 00:24:27,467 --> 00:24:33,810 her army on them, her sons were successful. The source responded by sending a cosmic raptor, 265 00:24:34,150 --> 00:24:42,355 a manifestation of judgment, to confront Perpetua. Perpetua and all of her power were imprisoned 266 00:24:42,395 --> 00:24:49,018 within a source wall made up of her apex predators, a boundary that marked the multiverse's edge. 267 00:24:49,539 --> 00:24:55,562 Rather than destroy Perpetua's creation, the multiverse was reset, including the three brothers, 268 00:24:55,882 --> 00:25:02,206 with Marnovu coalescing over time on the moon of Oa in the Prime Universe and Mobius on the 269 00:25:02,246 --> 00:25:04,867 moon of Chord in the Antimatter Universe. 270 00:25:09,738 --> 00:25:14,400 sought to destroy him, beginning by conquering the antimatter universe and subjugating the 271 00:25:14,460 --> 00:25:20,023 citizenry of Kord into becoming his army. He transferred the most loyal of Kord's inhabitants 272 00:25:20,363 --> 00:25:25,566 into shadow demons and corporeal extensions of his will, while drafting others into his 273 00:25:25,706 --> 00:25:31,990 army of Thundererers, warriors equipped with devastating lightning bolts. Marnovu, aware 274 00:25:32,030 --> 00:25:36,973 of his brother's actions, eventually went to war with Mobius in a universal battle between 275 00:25:36,993 --> 00:25:42,187 the barrier of their universes. that spanned a million years. Their feud eventually ended 276 00:25:42,267 --> 00:25:47,869 in a stalemate, leaving both the monitor and the anti-monitor inert and trapped in a state 277 00:25:47,909 --> 00:25:54,152 of dormancy. For nine billion years, they remained motionless, forgotten by the countless worlds 278 00:25:54,192 --> 00:25:59,674 their battle had once threatened. Eventually, Krona, a curious scientist from the planet 279 00:25:59,714 --> 00:26:05,817 Maltus, sought to know the origins of the universe, and in his experimentations, fractured the 280 00:26:05,877 --> 00:26:12,455 newly stabilized multiverse into infinite parallel universes. Though Corona mistakenly believed 281 00:26:12,555 --> 00:26:18,877 he had created the multiverse, his actions merely revealed its existence to his reality, destabilizing 282 00:26:18,937 --> 00:26:24,878 it further. The Malthusians suppressed the story of Perpetua, fearing the consequences of her 283 00:26:24,938 --> 00:26:31,980 legacy. Pariah, a scientist from a fringe universe like Corona, unintentionally discovered the 284 00:26:32,180 --> 00:26:38,222 anti-matter universe, accidentally unleashing it into his own and destroying it. This act 285 00:26:38,422 --> 00:26:44,307 also awakened Mobius, as the antimatter universe expanded to fill the void of the one Pariah 286 00:26:44,347 --> 00:26:51,013 destroyed, increasing Mobius' domain and power. Re-amassing his army and sending universe-destroying 287 00:26:51,053 --> 00:26:56,757 waves of antimatter into the multiverse, Mobius determined that to defeat Marnovu, he could 288 00:26:56,798 --> 00:27:03,543 gain infinite power by destroying the now infinite multiverse. Sensing Mobius' resurgence, Marnovu 289 00:27:03,683 --> 00:27:09,575 also awoke and prepared for the coming crisis. Establishing a base in space, he used advanced 290 00:27:09,655 --> 00:27:15,637 technology to study the multiverse and identify champions capable of defending it. Among these 291 00:27:15,737 --> 00:27:21,860 was Harbinger, a girl he rescued and empowered to serve as his emissary. As Mobius's antimatter 292 00:27:21,900 --> 00:27:28,083 wave began consuming universes, Marnovu devised a plan to preserve what remained. He constructed 293 00:27:28,143 --> 00:27:34,085 colossal tuning fork towers to stabilize surviving Earths, which were at the centers of each universe. 294 00:27:34,602 --> 00:27:40,967 tasked his champions with defending these devices. Harbinger was sent to retrieve the infant Alexander 295 00:27:41,027 --> 00:27:46,812 Luther Jr, the last survivor of Earth-3, whose parents sent him in a rocket ship to Earth-1 296 00:27:47,352 --> 00:27:53,357 during an antimatter wave, turning him into a being made of both positive and antimatter. 297 00:27:53,798 --> 00:27:58,722 Mobius, however, subtly corrupted Harbinger by possessing her multiversal counterparts 298 00:27:58,742 --> 00:28:04,766 with shadow demons, and successfully tricked her into killing the monitor. Marnovu foresaw 299 00:28:04,786 --> 00:28:10,290 her betrayal, however, and used his death to power the Tuning Forks, merging Earth-1 and 300 00:28:10,370 --> 00:28:16,695 Earth-2 into a netherverse shielded from Mobius. The sacrifice allowed the defenders of the 301 00:28:16,755 --> 00:28:22,499 multiverse to regroup and ultimately defeat Mobius, the Anti-Monitor, collapsing the infinite 302 00:28:22,539 --> 00:28:28,364 multiverse into a single, unified reality known as New Earth. Although New Earth streamlined 303 00:28:28,404 --> 00:28:34,387 the multiverse into a cohesive timeline, traces and memories of their original multiverse lingered. 304 00:28:34,787 --> 00:28:39,829 The re-emergence of the multiverse began during another crisis event caused by Alexander Luther 305 00:28:39,869 --> 00:28:46,312 Jr., who believed the New Earth was flawed. Using the remains of Mobius's armor, he constructed 306 00:28:46,372 --> 00:28:52,515 a tuning fork tower to split New Earth into multiple universes in an effort to find a perfect 307 00:28:52,695 --> 00:28:58,542 one. His actions, though ultimately thwarted, destabilized reality. and led to the creation 308 00:28:58,622 --> 00:29:04,607 of a finite multiverse of 52 parallel Earths. This restructured multiverse gave rise to a 309 00:29:04,707 --> 00:29:10,491 new race of monitors, fragments of Marnovu's essence, each overseeing a specific Earth. 310 00:29:10,851 --> 00:29:16,735 Unlike Marnovu, these monitors were not unified by a singular purpose. They developed indiviDuel 311 00:29:16,775 --> 00:29:23,300 personalities and often clashed over their roles. Bob, the monitor of New Earth, championed empathy 312 00:29:23,580 --> 00:29:28,875 and collaboration between the universes. In contrast, Solomon, the monitor of Earth-8, 313 00:29:29,655 --> 00:29:35,518 pursued the violent eradication of multiversal anomalies, or people who existed outside their 314 00:29:35,558 --> 00:29:41,520 intended universe. Solomon's genocidal stance divided the monitors and led to internal strife 315 00:29:41,540 --> 00:29:46,502 within their order and without, creating enemies against their kind that included the being 316 00:29:46,582 --> 00:29:52,145 known as Monarch, who forced superpowered beings across the multiverse into gladiatorial matches 317 00:29:52,185 --> 00:29:56,287 to determine the strongest among them. for an army that he was building to eliminate the 318 00:29:56,347 --> 00:30:01,970 Monitors. The conflict escalated when Solomon attempted to absorb Bob's essence to augment 319 00:30:01,990 --> 00:30:07,334 his own power, resulting in Bob's death and destabilizing the Monitor Collective. Amid 320 00:30:07,394 --> 00:30:14,418 this chaos, Monarch's actions led to the destruction of Earth 51, whose Monitor, Nyx Uotan, was 321 00:30:14,478 --> 00:30:19,978 banished to Prime Earth for failing to protect his universe. Stripped of his powers, He lived 322 00:30:20,018 --> 00:30:25,142 as a human until regaining his memories and becoming a superhero known as Super Judge. 323 00:30:25,442 --> 00:30:31,027 During the supposed final crisis event, Nix became one of the last surviving Monitors, 324 00:30:31,387 --> 00:30:36,671 assembling an army of supermen from across the multiverse to defeat Mandrake, a corrupted 325 00:30:36,812 --> 00:30:42,476 Monitor. Despite their victory, Nix lamented the Monitor's failures and allowed their civilization 326 00:30:42,556 --> 00:30:49,302 to fade. In post-Flashpoint continuity, unbeknownst to the resurrected Marnovu and Mobius, Their 327 00:30:49,342 --> 00:30:55,563 brother Alpheus had been killed by his pet dragon Barbados, who had been responsible for devouring 328 00:30:55,703 --> 00:31:02,565 newly forged universes too dark to exist. Barbados' abandonment of his duty led to the formation 329 00:31:02,645 --> 00:31:08,827 of the Dark Multiverse, champions from which were led by Barbados in a war against the Multiverse. 330 00:31:09,287 --> 00:31:14,369 Though Barbados and his army were defeated, the war eventually resulted in a crack within 331 00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:21,424 the source wall that freed Perpetua. sought to reclaim her multiverse. Marnovu, Mobius, 332 00:31:21,584 --> 00:31:28,087 and a newly reformed Alphius merged to form the Ultra Monitor in a desperate bid to stop 333 00:31:28,107 --> 00:31:33,490 their mother, but Perpetua regained her strength, turning Mobius against her brothers by granting 334 00:31:33,530 --> 00:31:38,393 him the anti-life equation that allowed him to control his brothers. With help from the 335 00:31:38,433 --> 00:31:42,715 Green Lantern John Stewart, who you can learn more about in our Green Lantern vs Quasar duel 336 00:31:42,755 --> 00:31:49,451 episode, Marnovu and Alphius were freed from their and Alpheus sacrificed his life to protect 337 00:31:49,511 --> 00:31:55,535 Marnovu and his allies from a universe destroying attack from Perpetua. To help stop his mother, 338 00:31:55,895 --> 00:32:02,000 Marnovu hid shards of Element X, the metal used to forge universes, for the forces opposing 339 00:32:02,020 --> 00:32:07,183 his mother to find when Perpetua and the Batman Who Laughs took over reality. You can learn 340 00:32:07,203 --> 00:32:11,786 more about the Batman Who Laughs and his duel against Cosmic Ghost Rider. This helped Wonder 341 00:32:11,806 --> 00:32:17,930 Woman defeat both, after which the hands of the Multiverse recreated. DC's multiverse. 342 00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:24,833 And that's his history so far. Power-wise, the Monitor Marnovu wields immense cosmic power, 343 00:32:25,173 --> 00:32:30,095 including multiversal cosmic awareness that enables him to perceive and understand the 344 00:32:30,195 --> 00:32:35,678 infinite dimensions and realities that comprise the multiverse. His abilities include matter 345 00:32:35,838 --> 00:32:41,940 and energy manipulation, teleportation across universes, and control over space-time itself. 346 00:32:42,201 --> 00:32:46,566 He wields the dimensional superstructure of the universe. one of seven forces of the universe, 347 00:32:46,926 --> 00:32:51,468 granting him partial control over the fabric of reality, though his power is diminished 348 00:32:51,568 --> 00:32:57,531 outside of the sixth dimension. While he's immortal, he can be destroyed, though he'll reform within 349 00:32:57,551 --> 00:33:03,333 the sixth dimension. His size can shift from human scale to planetary proportions, and his 350 00:33:03,413 --> 00:33:09,096 precognition provides glimpses into possible futures. His one weakness is that his strength 351 00:33:09,156 --> 00:33:14,654 and power is intrinsically tied to the stability of his domain. should the universes of the 352 00:33:14,694 --> 00:33:20,116 multiverse be destroyed, his power would diminish. Well, it's too bad for him that Uatu is gonna 353 00:33:20,156 --> 00:33:24,318 basically destroy all of his multiverse and then just leave him powerless. That doesn't 354 00:33:24,338 --> 00:33:29,441 sound like something Uatu would do. You know what Uatu would do? He would fucking fall asleep 355 00:33:29,681 --> 00:33:35,083 while listening to that story because it was so long and so convoluted and boring. No, yeah, 356 00:33:35,123 --> 00:33:41,494 that was way better than Uatu's history, I'm sorry. Way better. Way more epic. What is going 357 00:33:41,514 --> 00:33:47,476 to pull a harbinger and kill monitors ass just like she did? You forget that the monitor gave 358 00:33:47,596 --> 00:33:53,918 Harbinger a shit ton of power. So now, bro, what an idiot. What an idiot. Well, monitor 359 00:33:53,938 --> 00:33:58,019 is going to pull a Nick Fury and just shoot the watcher with a fucking bullet. Hey, that 360 00:33:58,059 --> 00:34:03,061 was before he was the one and only watcher. So, OK, well, Harbinger killed monitor before 361 00:34:03,101 --> 00:34:05,941 he was the ultra monitor. I don't know. 362 00:34:13,326 --> 00:34:19,012 where fantasies collide and heroes clash, one podcast network rises above the rest. Prepare 363 00:34:19,032 --> 00:34:24,758 yourself for the ultimate showdowns in comic books, video games, movies, and anime. The 364 00:34:24,818 --> 00:34:31,085 Dynomic Podcast Network presents Console Combat, where video game legends brawl every Monday. 365 00:34:31,125 --> 00:34:37,994 Dynamic.com. Comic Book Titans smash every Tuesday. Max Destruction, where TV and action heroes 366 00:34:38,034 --> 00:34:44,359 battle every Wednesday. And Sendro World, where anime champions clash every Thursday. Join 367 00:34:44,439 --> 00:34:49,123 us as we speculate on the matches and armed with the power of mathematical simulations, 368 00:34:49,363 --> 00:34:56,269 discover who will emerge victorious. Visit dynamicpodcast.com, where we settle the debate and settle the score. 369 00:35:00,598 --> 00:35:04,059 Now that we got the histories and abilities out of the way, let's speculate on how one 370 00:35:04,119 --> 00:35:09,521 of the 1000 simulated matches will go. The winner is determined by simulations, not our speculation, 371 00:35:09,882 --> 00:35:13,803 but it's fun to imagine how this fight could play out. AJ and IK, what are the rules of 372 00:35:13,823 --> 00:35:18,786 our speculation? Well I should say there are no rules, other than the characters have no 373 00:35:18,846 --> 00:35:23,408 prior knowledge of the other going into the fight. All they are aware of starting out is 374 00:35:23,448 --> 00:35:28,038 that the other character is a threat that needs to be eliminated. For the speculation... The 375 00:35:28,058 --> 00:35:33,121 contestants will begin approximately 50 meters apart in a nondescript environment that will 376 00:35:33,141 --> 00:35:38,465 have no bearing on the match itself, as no environmental statistics are considered in my simulations. 377 00:35:38,765 --> 00:35:44,049 The contestants must earn victory on their own merit. Alright then, let's get into it. Monitor 378 00:35:44,169 --> 00:35:49,593 and Watcher meet on the battlefield. Who goes first? Well, since neither of these cosmic 379 00:35:49,633 --> 00:35:53,595 level beings are really known for fighting, we thought we would take a different route 380 00:35:53,615 --> 00:35:58,583 with this duel by challenging each other on what they're known for. observing. To that 381 00:35:58,683 --> 00:36:03,666 end, the Monitor and the Watcher have come to the match prepared with certain events from 382 00:36:03,766 --> 00:36:09,610 DC and Marvel's history in order to test their opponents' observational skills. It's a contest 383 00:36:09,751 --> 00:36:15,475 of watching, essentially, or since this is a podcast, listening. Yeah, how good is the other 384 00:36:15,495 --> 00:36:20,818 character at perceiving the events of their respective universes? In a way, we could all 385 00:36:20,859 --> 00:36:26,703 be considered Watchers and Monitors of Marvel and DC as consumers. of Marvel and DC films 386 00:36:26,743 --> 00:36:31,666 and shows, and that we observe what happens without taking action and chronicling their 387 00:36:31,706 --> 00:36:39,451 events in our fanboy minds. Right, so Jonathan, as the DC monitor, will be presented with four 388 00:36:39,552 --> 00:36:45,896 audio events from DC's past, same for me as the Marvel Watcher. The task will be to identify 389 00:36:45,936 --> 00:36:50,479 the four events given to us, and the one who correctly identifies more events will be the 390 00:36:50,539 --> 00:36:55,499 winner of this speculation. And to add a twist to the challenge, Each event presented to the 391 00:36:55,539 --> 00:37:00,243 opposing character will have some sort of commonality, be it a thematic throughline or some other 392 00:37:00,283 --> 00:37:05,747 connection. Both the Watchers and the Monitor's ultimate test will be to deduce this commonality 393 00:37:05,827 --> 00:37:11,151 in order to win. So let's get started. The Watcher presents the Monitor with an event from the 394 00:37:11,231 --> 00:37:18,657 DC Universe. Okay DC Monitor, here is your first event. This city is mine. 395 00:37:46,610 --> 00:37:53,175 Okay, I have no idea whose voice that is. The city is mine. So a city is involved. It sounds 396 00:37:53,275 --> 00:37:58,660 after that there's like a dragon like screaming and it's just like attacking all these people 397 00:37:58,700 --> 00:38:05,565 and destroying some kind of city, I'm assuming. But at the very end, there's like this robotic 398 00:38:05,906 --> 00:38:11,490 cybernetic kind of sound. It can't be cyborg. This is not Justice League. There's some kind 399 00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:17,679 of giant monster there. Shazam Fury of the Gods had a dragon. Aquaman had a giant carathen. 400 00:38:17,819 --> 00:38:23,002 The Suicide Squad had Starro. Oh, is that the thinker who's saying the city is mine? You 401 00:38:23,042 --> 00:38:27,604 can't just name every movie and every monster. Okay. I think I know what scene this is. Okay 402 00:38:27,624 --> 00:38:35,248 this is the climactic battle of the Suicide Squad when Starro is confronting the Suicide 403 00:38:35,288 --> 00:38:41,032 Squad telling them that the city belongs to him and all of his minions that have Starro's 404 00:38:41,092 --> 00:38:47,576 on their faces begin to attack the Suicide Squad. That is correct. Yes. Oh, good gosh. This is 405 00:38:47,636 --> 00:38:53,481 the Star of the Conqueror scene from the Suicide Squad when Star of the Conqueror attacks Corto 406 00:38:53,501 --> 00:38:59,225 Maltese. And the computerized sounds that you hear at the end are Amanda Waller's crew waking 407 00:38:59,306 --> 00:39:04,850 up to find out that there's a freaking Kaiju that's been awakened. Gotcha. Okay. So one 408 00:39:04,890 --> 00:39:10,194 point for me, apparently. Yes, one point for you. Okay. So now it's the monitor's turn to 409 00:39:10,254 --> 00:39:13,837 present the Watcher with an event from Marvel. 410 00:39:44,054 --> 00:39:51,259 This one is Easy Money. I hear a man saying no, and I hear cityscape sounds, and also a 411 00:39:51,319 --> 00:39:59,025 very distinctive scoring, music-wise. The event in question is when Otto Octavius realizes 412 00:39:59,065 --> 00:40:03,548 that the metal arms have been grafted to his body, and he escapes out into the city and 413 00:40:03,608 --> 00:40:09,193 attacks a taxi cab before fleeing into the night. Right, what movie is that from? That is from 414 00:40:09,453 --> 00:40:16,022 Spider-Man 2. Great job, you had a way easier time with that one than I did. Well, I'm just 415 00:40:16,062 --> 00:40:22,328 a better observer, I guess. But now it is the DC Monitor's turn again. Here is your next 416 00:40:22,368 --> 00:40:22,648 event. 417 00:40:26,146 --> 00:40:30,350 Come on, start moving now people, let's go! The boss wants us out of the building, so let's 418 00:40:30,391 --> 00:40:31,552 make it happen! Jack! 419 00:40:52,758 --> 00:41:00,562 Okay, I'm hearing a car chase, it sounds like. And there's a lot of destruction and structures 420 00:41:00,602 --> 00:41:05,564 crumbling. Two guys are talking. It definitely sounds like Ben Affleck. Sounds like there's 421 00:41:05,584 --> 00:41:11,848 a lot of chaos and destruction going on and someone's driving. This has to be the opening 422 00:41:11,988 --> 00:41:19,292 to Batman v Superman when Bruce Wayne is racing to Wayne Enterprises during Zod's attack on 423 00:41:19,652 --> 00:41:25,906 Metropolis. That is correct. from Batman vs Superman, a point to the DC monitor for that 424 00:41:25,986 --> 00:41:31,854 one. Two for two. Gotta say, Hans Zimmer's score during that film, still really iconic. Moving 425 00:41:32,014 --> 00:41:37,661 on to the second challenge for Uwatu. Here is the second event for Marvel. 426 00:41:45,454 --> 00:41:51,962 Are you even pulling? Are you on my team? Just represent, pull! Alright, let's go! NNNN 427 00:42:00,102 --> 00:42:01,125 Good Steve, no pressure. 428 00:42:04,706 --> 00:42:11,775 Come on, Cap. Okay, I'm hearing a lot of voices. I'm hearing people struggling. I'm hearing 429 00:42:11,815 --> 00:42:16,697 some whimsical music. This is another pretty easy one, I think. This is the scene when the 430 00:42:16,777 --> 00:42:23,239 Avengers try to lift Thor's hammer from Avengers Age of Ultron. That is correct. One more point 431 00:42:23,299 --> 00:42:29,521 for the Watcher. Congrats. All right, it is now the DC Monitor's turn for the next event. 432 00:42:59,562 --> 00:43:03,885 Okay, that's definitely from a Superman movie. I think it's from Superman the movie. Is this 433 00:43:03,945 --> 00:43:08,949 the destruction of Krypton? That is correct. Yes, this is the destruction of Krypton from 434 00:43:09,010 --> 00:43:12,132 Superman the movie. Yeah, this is the scene where we see all of the Kryptonians sort of 435 00:43:12,232 --> 00:43:18,538 falling into the fiery chasms that are now what's left of Krypton. And after the planet explodes, 436 00:43:18,578 --> 00:43:24,963 we see the baby hell else ship zip by the camera. Correct. Yeah, good job. All right. The DC 437 00:43:24,983 --> 00:43:29,646 monitor gets another point. You're three for three so far. I freaking got scared at the 438 00:43:29,666 --> 00:43:36,871 beginning of the clip, I'm not gonna lie. Alright, the monitor is now presenting Uatu with Marvel's 439 00:43:37,031 --> 00:43:40,313 third event to recall. I shall miss you, my friend. 440 00:44:08,866 --> 00:44:15,167 What the fuck is that from? Okay, I hear what sounds like Professor X saying, I will miss 441 00:44:15,227 --> 00:44:20,929 you, my friend. And then a lot of people saying, I'm sorry. Ooh, this is a tough one. I don't 442 00:44:21,009 --> 00:44:27,090 immediately recognize what this is from. Maybe I'm not correct and that's not Professor X. 443 00:44:27,731 --> 00:44:34,532 Oh, I know what this is from. Okay, the I'm sorry suddenly makes sense now. This is from 444 00:44:34,592 --> 00:44:41,823 Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness when Black Bolt erases Doctor Strange from 445 00:44:42,223 --> 00:44:48,265 that timeline. Right, a multiversal Doctor Strange from the multiverse, where Professor X and 446 00:44:48,285 --> 00:44:52,967 Black Bolt and Mr. Fantastic are all part of this council. That was a great challenge right 447 00:44:52,987 --> 00:44:57,489 there. I'm ashamed to say that I didn't immediately get it because I'm sure some of our listeners 448 00:44:57,549 --> 00:45:03,131 will, but I'm glad I pulled it off in the end. That's three points for me so far. For you, 449 00:45:03,251 --> 00:45:10,989 the DC Monitor, I present you with your final challenge. The only way to save the world from 450 00:45:11,070 --> 00:45:13,241 ever happening. Take this. 451 00:45:36,742 --> 00:45:43,605 Okay, I'm pretty sure this has to be from the flash just because someone's telling another 452 00:45:43,645 --> 00:45:48,667 guy to run and there's like this electrical sound. I can't pinpoint the scene though. I'm 453 00:45:48,707 --> 00:45:53,709 not sure who's telling him to run, I think. I want to know what the guy gives the runner 454 00:45:54,110 --> 00:45:59,092 when he says take this. What is that? Obviously, this has to be from a film where something 455 00:45:59,152 --> 00:46:04,062 just catastrophic happens and time has to be rewritten. That's why my guess is it's the 456 00:46:04,102 --> 00:46:08,523 Flash, but it could also be Zack Snyder's Justice League. Why can't I recognize that voice? That 457 00:46:08,943 --> 00:46:14,145 frigging kills me. I feel like this is from an animated film. Is this from Justice League 458 00:46:14,185 --> 00:46:20,186 Dark Apocalypse War? It is not. No. Okay, well then it's gotta be from the Tomorrowverse. 459 00:46:20,686 --> 00:46:26,308 This has gotta be from Justice League Crisis on Infinite Earths, part one. I'm guessing. 460 00:46:26,408 --> 00:46:27,388 Fuck you. 461 00:46:30,569 --> 00:46:35,547 I feel like I could see the scene in my head. I just have no idea what movie it's from or 462 00:46:35,667 --> 00:46:43,070 who's on the screen. It's just shadows really. The voice belongs to Thomas Wayne and it is 463 00:46:43,330 --> 00:46:49,272 from the end of Justice League the Flashpoint Paradox. When he says take this he's handing 464 00:46:49,512 --> 00:46:54,034 Barry Allen a note to his son Bruce Wayne. You know I should have known this I feel really 465 00:46:54,094 --> 00:46:59,336 stupid because of course that's what it's from. For that particular round I award you no points 466 00:46:59,896 --> 00:47:05,960 and may God have mercy on your soul Jonathan. I need that. Well, that's three out of four 467 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:12,603 for the monitor. Let's see how Marvel's The Watcher fares with this fourth and final event 468 00:47:13,024 --> 00:47:14,885 that I'm hoping is the most difficult. 469 00:47:45,170 --> 00:47:51,675 Okay, I hear animals attacking each other. I hear a dog getting slapped. And I think there's 470 00:47:51,735 --> 00:47:59,001 really only one movie that happens in, and that would be the Hulk dog fight from the 2003 movie 471 00:47:59,061 --> 00:48:04,545 Hulk. You think you're better than me? I think I'm a better Watcher than you, yeah. Okay. 472 00:48:06,387 --> 00:48:13,012 Well, maybe not. Let's see if you pass the ultimate test, Mr. Watcher. What do all four of these 473 00:48:13,152 --> 00:48:18,767 events have in common? Well, why don't you tell me first? There was the climactic battle against 474 00:48:18,807 --> 00:48:23,989 Starro at the end of the Suicide Squad. There was the opening to Batman v Superman with Bruce 475 00:48:24,009 --> 00:48:29,412 Wayne driving to Wayne Enterprises during Zod's attack. So I guess cities are being destroyed. 476 00:48:29,932 --> 00:48:35,134 There was Superman the movie with the destruction of Krypton. And then I guess there was the 477 00:48:35,154 --> 00:48:42,137 destruction of an entire universe in the Flashpoint Paradox. So the theme is destruction? That 478 00:48:42,177 --> 00:48:48,675 is correct. Yeah. cosmic level events of mass destruction. Yeah. Gotcha. Okay, cool. So I 479 00:48:48,715 --> 00:48:55,377 guess I win ultimately. Even though I got one wrong. For the Watcher, the events that were 480 00:48:55,397 --> 00:49:03,499 presented to him were Doctor Octopus's awakening, you have the Avengers trying to lift Thor's 481 00:49:03,539 --> 00:49:10,861 hammer, you have Black Bolt destroying Doctor Strange, and you have Hulk fighting against 482 00:49:10,921 --> 00:49:19,106 the Hulk dogs. This commonality is much harder for me to determine. I cannot think of a single 483 00:49:19,287 --> 00:49:24,830 damn thing, especially with the Avengers party kind of throwing a wrench in there. I know 484 00:49:24,850 --> 00:49:28,753 that two of the movies were directed by Sam Raimi. The other one was directed by Joss Whedon. 485 00:49:28,773 --> 00:49:32,956 The other one was directed by Ang Lee. One of the movies came out in 2003. One of the movies 486 00:49:32,976 --> 00:49:38,880 came out in 2004. And then you have 2015 with Age of Ultron and Dr. Strange came out in 2022, 487 00:49:40,201 --> 00:49:45,371 I think. Are you Googling this shit? No. Get off Google. I'm not fucking Googling. That's 488 00:49:45,431 --> 00:49:51,332 all in my brain, motherfucker. I cannot think of the commonality between those. Is there, 489 00:49:51,472 --> 00:49:57,034 I honestly have no idea. I have no idea. So you admit that you're inferior as a watcher. 490 00:49:57,514 --> 00:50:01,995 No, I mean, I got all the events correct, but what's the commonality between them? Are you 491 00:50:02,015 --> 00:50:07,517 ready for the answer? I am ready for the answer. All films were scored by Danny Elfman. Ah, 492 00:50:07,617 --> 00:50:13,444 shit! Of course they were. Yeah, you're totally right. Oh, that was a good one. That was really 493 00:50:13,484 --> 00:50:19,548 good. Yeah, yeah, the Spider-Man Sam Raimi franchise, the 2003 Hulk movie, Multiverse of Madness, 494 00:50:20,208 --> 00:50:24,711 and Avengers Age of Ultron were all scored by Danny Elfman. Although for Age of Ultron, he 495 00:50:24,731 --> 00:50:30,856 was one of many composers on that film. But that, though, that was a sneaky ass commonality 496 00:50:30,916 --> 00:50:37,300 between all the events. Well, I guess since the Watcher failed the true test of this whole 497 00:50:37,380 --> 00:50:43,043 matchup, the Monitor wins. And yet it was the watcher who was able to correctly identify 498 00:50:43,243 --> 00:50:49,086 every event that happened. So really, the watcher wins. That doesn't matter. You have to look 499 00:50:49,186 --> 00:50:53,267 deeper at things. Yeah, just like how apparently you didn't look deep enough at the flashpoint 500 00:50:53,307 --> 00:51:00,030 paradox to remember what the fuck happened in that movie, obviously. You're the one who cheated 501 00:51:00,070 --> 00:51:06,893 by pulling out a direct-to-video animated film. Who does that? Uh, DC does that. A lot. They 502 00:51:06,913 --> 00:51:11,434 put out a lot of- direct to video animated films. Blame them. Yeah, but I don't remember any 503 00:51:11,474 --> 00:51:16,921 of them. You don't remember the Flashpoint Paradox, which is one of DC's best animated projects? 504 00:51:17,222 --> 00:51:22,729 That's fair, that was really good. It honestly just makes you sound dumb. Like you explained 505 00:51:22,849 --> 00:51:29,390 everything about the plot of that movie without getting the movie. I mean, the monitor got 506 00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:35,355 everything but the title of the project. So maybe the watchers dumb. Maybe the watchers 507 00:51:35,395 --> 00:51:41,920 tired of your shit and just shoves the monitor. Oh, oh, look, who's suddenly getting all confrontational. 508 00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:46,344 Mr. I swear not to intervene, you know, monitor. He's going to respond by shoving the watcher 509 00:51:46,384 --> 00:51:51,809 back, but with energy beams from his hands that just like yeet the watcher into outer space. 510 00:51:52,389 --> 00:51:57,673 I mean, the watcher has interfered before, like when necessary. Right. And he's all too happy. 511 00:51:58,166 --> 00:52:04,311 right now to interfere with the monitor's face by rearranging it. So yeah, the watcher gets 512 00:52:04,351 --> 00:52:10,716 blasted back into the cosmos, but suddenly he disappears in a flash of light and he reappears 513 00:52:10,776 --> 00:52:16,901 behind the monitor. But now he's the size of a whole planet. And he's going to shoot down 514 00:52:16,961 --> 00:52:21,545 energy beams from his eyes that just disintegrate the monitor. Yeah, I mean the monitor saw this 515 00:52:21,665 --> 00:52:28,318 coming due to his precognition and cosmic awareness. So the monitor blocks the eye blast. by beaming 516 00:52:28,478 --> 00:52:34,341 in this massive structure, this tuning fork tower between him and the Watcher's lasers 517 00:52:34,561 --> 00:52:39,803 before they reach him. And this tower absorbs those lasers along with all of the Watcher's 518 00:52:39,903 --> 00:52:47,406 energy just draining him so now he's just this giant floating husk in space. Except that when 519 00:52:47,486 --> 00:52:54,309 the Watcher attacked Monitor, he also telepathically read his mind and learned all of his secrets. 520 00:52:54,814 --> 00:53:00,116 including his knowledge about this power draining antenna. Okay, so as the Watcher's power is 521 00:53:00,156 --> 00:53:04,738 being drained, he has a contingency plan. You know, he has this massive comet from the far 522 00:53:04,778 --> 00:53:11,100 reaches of the solar system fly in and plow right through that antenna, like a bullet through 523 00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:17,743 a gas tank, just unleashing the antenna's energy in like this sun-sized explosion, and the monitor 524 00:53:17,863 --> 00:53:22,885 dies in the blast. So the match is over. No, except that the comet actually just passes 525 00:53:23,274 --> 00:53:27,835 right through the antenna because once they had enough of the watcher's energy, the antenna 526 00:53:27,875 --> 00:53:33,156 sent out this frequency throughout the universe that shifted it into the sixth dimension where 527 00:53:33,196 --> 00:53:38,698 the watcher is like nothing but an infant and the monitor can control reality. So the monitor, 528 00:53:38,898 --> 00:53:43,739 you know, he's aboard his ship and he simply presses a button on his console and the watcher 529 00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:49,141 ceases to exist. Match over. Okay, so the monitor is a cold-hearted bastard who would erase an 530 00:53:49,301 --> 00:53:58,259 infant? Wow. And the Watcher looks like a big baby! I mean, the Watcher, I'm pretty sure, 531 00:53:58,779 --> 00:54:02,722 is powerful enough to like, you know, thrive in the sixth dimension. So like, right as the 532 00:54:02,782 --> 00:54:09,026 monitor is about to press that eraser button, all of a sudden time freezes, okay? And the 533 00:54:09,066 --> 00:54:15,191 Watcher is going to peer into a what-if universe that's called, what if the monitor was a weak, 534 00:54:15,311 --> 00:54:20,790 punk-ass loser? And all of a sudden the fight gets transported there. where the Watcher just 535 00:54:20,850 --> 00:54:27,193 kills the monitor with a backhand slap. You know, ending the match. Sixth dimensional time 536 00:54:27,273 --> 00:54:33,115 freezing? That is horseshit. Why is that horseshit? Because it's the sixth dimension, like time 537 00:54:33,155 --> 00:54:37,917 does not even exist. I'm pretty sure it does. Why are you so confident that the Watcher can 538 00:54:37,997 --> 00:54:44,740 even comprehend anything he's seeing in the sixth dimension? Because he's the fucking Watcher. 539 00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:50,711 That's why he's pretty damn powerful. Again, horseshit. I say the monitor is a more advanced 540 00:54:50,871 --> 00:54:55,713 being than the watcher. So there's no way the watcher is going to be able to peer into any 541 00:54:55,733 --> 00:55:00,456 other kind of reality from the sixth dimension. He's just going to get erased. Oh, we're just 542 00:55:00,476 --> 00:55:04,218 going to take your word for it that he's a more advanced being than the watcher? Sure. Yeah. 543 00:55:04,778 --> 00:55:08,660 Well, let's find out by taking this fight to the stats. Okay. We're going to go ahead and 544 00:55:08,700 --> 00:55:12,643 plug in their stats, run the simulations and see which one wins. 545 00:55:18,402 --> 00:55:24,066 Processing results simulations complete. All right, these guys are super powerful. Definitely 546 00:55:24,106 --> 00:55:29,850 reflected in the stats because all their stats were almost maxed out. There were a few discrepancies. 547 00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:35,133 We did say that the watcher was more evasive because he's a little bit more elusive and 548 00:55:35,173 --> 00:55:40,117 behind the scenes than the monitor. And you know, the watcher often goes invisible. The 549 00:55:40,137 --> 00:55:45,340 monitor is a little bit more concrete. Right. The monitor though, we said has a lot more 550 00:55:45,581 --> 00:55:51,549 toys at his disposal. He's always carrying around six dimensional technology that he uses, whereas 551 00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:57,314 the Watcher, he has his Citadel and some of the items stored there help him out, but largely 552 00:55:57,794 --> 00:56:02,598 he acts through his own power. We also said that the monitor had a greater perception than 553 00:56:02,638 --> 00:56:07,902 the Watcher because his cosmic awareness extends across universes and even out into the greater 554 00:56:08,022 --> 00:56:13,427 omniverse. Yeah, yeah, we said that the monitor essentially observes more than the Watcher. 555 00:56:13,847 --> 00:56:20,237 The Watcher largely relegated to Earth and its solar system, traditionally speaking. But for 556 00:56:20,277 --> 00:56:25,601 everything else, including intelligence, versatility, strength, durability, they were all even. The 557 00:56:25,641 --> 00:56:30,125 strangest stat had to be fighting skill. We had no idea what the heck to do for that one, 558 00:56:30,506 --> 00:56:35,150 but we figured whatever we gave them, they would be basically even. Yeah, they've both been 559 00:56:35,210 --> 00:56:40,054 known to throw down very, very rarely. So yeah, fighting skill was a hard one to tabulate for 560 00:56:40,094 --> 00:56:43,597 them. With all that said and done though, Jonathan, who do you think is going to win this match? 561 00:56:44,230 --> 00:56:49,451 I think it's going to be the monitor and our Instagram poll takers agree with me. So far. 562 00:56:50,172 --> 00:56:57,034 Yeah, they are giving the monitor a 54% edge over the watcher. Last time I checked the watcher 563 00:56:57,054 --> 00:57:00,556 was ahead in that poll. What the hell? It is kind of surprising to me that the watcher is 564 00:57:00,596 --> 00:57:05,317 not ahead right now considering we just got off of what if and he was a major player in 565 00:57:05,357 --> 00:57:09,721 that. Well, I mean, I guess the monitor was in the recent Justice League Crisis on Infinite 566 00:57:09,821 --> 00:57:16,146 Earth's trilogy of films, as well as the Arrow vs Crisis on Infinite Earth's crossover event. 567 00:57:16,526 --> 00:57:20,910 That's true. Anyway, what does Instagram know? Let's get the final results of this match. 568 00:57:21,090 --> 00:57:28,677 AJ9K, the results please. Hey Yuasa. Okay, the winner between the monitor and the watcher 569 00:57:29,657 --> 00:57:37,411 is... The monitor. Hell yeah! It was very close. Out of 1000 simulated matches, the monitor 570 00:57:37,451 --> 00:57:48,216 won 554 battles, whereas the watcher only won 446. So it's 55.4% over 44.6%. I'm not surprised. 571 00:57:48,296 --> 00:57:53,578 I knew the watcher was powerful, but I also figured the monitor just operated at a bigger 572 00:57:53,638 --> 00:57:59,001 scale. And the stats sort of reflected that. Well, I mean, if the monitor is so perceptive, 573 00:57:59,041 --> 00:58:03,622 how come he didn't know... what the fucking end of the Flashpoint paradox was. No, no, 574 00:58:04,283 --> 00:58:10,884 you're comparing Mar Novo to Johnny DC. That's not a fair comparison. Yeah, I guess you're 575 00:58:10,904 --> 00:58:14,646 right. Johnny DC is not that great. Yeah, neither is Marvelous Joe because he couldn't find the 576 00:58:14,666 --> 00:58:20,367 connection between all of the different four movies. I may be observant, but I'm not smart. 577 00:58:20,687 --> 00:58:27,149 That's fair. Well, that does it for this duel, guys. AJ 9K, help close this out. Thanks for 578 00:58:27,189 --> 00:58:32,456 listening to Dynamic Duel. Visit the show's website at dynamicduel.com and follow us on 579 00:58:32,516 --> 00:58:39,001 Instagram at dynamicduelpodcast. 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