1 00:00:00,930 --> 00:00:02,972 This is a DynaMic Network podcast. 2 00:00:24,590 --> 00:00:28,353 Hi and welcome to the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly show where we review superhero films 3 00:00:28,713 --> 00:00:33,358 and debate the superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing their characters in stat-based 4 00:00:33,418 --> 00:00:38,723 battle simulations. I'm Marvelous Joe. And I'm his twin brother Johnny DC. And in this episode 5 00:00:38,763 --> 00:00:44,208 we are doing another duel, this time it's the general against Red Hulk. And this of course 6 00:00:44,248 --> 00:00:49,333 is in lead up to our review of Captain America Brave New World, which comes out in theaters 7 00:00:49,373 --> 00:00:54,341 this Friday. I got my tickets, I'm gonna go see it on Valentine's Day and it's gonna be 8 00:00:54,641 --> 00:00:59,886 a Valentine's date and it's gonna be the best date with my wife. Nothing like working on 9 00:00:59,926 --> 00:01:04,150 Valentine's Day. Reviewing is not work to me, it's a passion, it's a passion, so I don't 10 00:01:04,190 --> 00:01:09,435 consider it work. Now it's totally work for me to sit through a Marvel movie. Good. Okay. 11 00:01:09,455 --> 00:01:15,280 I'm glad, I don't know. But we're gonna run the stats on these two characters later on 12 00:01:15,320 --> 00:01:19,083 in the episode and find out who will win. Before that, we're gonna break down the latest comic 13 00:01:19,103 --> 00:01:24,507 book movie news to come out this past week of which we got two trailers from Marvel. The 14 00:01:24,547 --> 00:01:29,251 first one being Fantastic Four First Steps, the first official teaser, and we also got 15 00:01:29,431 --> 00:01:34,655 a big game trailer for the Thunderbolts. I totally thought we were gonna get a big game trailer 16 00:01:34,975 --> 00:01:40,580 for Superman. It's the whole reason I watched the frickin' Super Bowl this year, and it did 17 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:45,264 not come up. 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They're 31 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:57,584 continuing their MCU vs. DCEU theme this month, and hosts Scotty and Gilly are going to find 32 00:02:57,624 --> 00:03:04,549 out who would win in a fight between the MCU's Thor and the DCEU's Black Adam. On the Send 33 00:03:04,569 --> 00:03:09,653 Your World podcast, host Zachary Hepburn speculates on fights between fan favorite anime and manga 34 00:03:09,693 --> 00:03:15,223 characters. Zach is on a brief season break right now, but he has a huge episode in the 35 00:03:15,263 --> 00:03:21,444 works that he's waiting on us for the simulation results. But it's gonna be an epic 10 versus 36 00:03:21,484 --> 00:03:27,406 10, Team Naruto versus Team Bleach matchup. On the Console Combat podcast hosts John and 37 00:03:27,426 --> 00:03:32,047 Dean simulate battles between popular video game characters. In yesterday's episode, they 38 00:03:32,087 --> 00:03:38,469 reviewed the 2001 film Lara Croft's Tomb Raider starring Angelina Jolie. Visit dynamicpodcasts.com 39 00:03:38,769 --> 00:03:43,426 or click the link in our show notes. to listen to all of the shows in the DynaMic Podcast 40 00:03:43,526 --> 00:03:50,689 Network. But with that out of the way, quick to the No Prize! A No Prize is an award Marvel 41 00:03:50,709 --> 00:03:56,110 used to give out to fans. Our version, the Dynamic Duel No Prize, is a digital award that we post 42 00:03:56,150 --> 00:04:01,172 on Instagram for the person we feel gave the best answer to our question of the week. Last 43 00:04:01,232 --> 00:04:07,438 week, we asked, what is a cancelled Marvel or DC television series that you most wish would 44 00:04:07,458 --> 00:04:12,142 have gotten at least one other season. And this question stemmed from the news that season 45 00:04:12,242 --> 00:04:18,307 two of The Sandman will be its final season. We got five answers for this question. So let's 46 00:04:18,327 --> 00:04:23,212 go ahead and run down our three honorable mentions and the no prize winner. Our first honorable 47 00:04:23,312 --> 00:04:31,499 mention goes to Scott Camacho, who said. One's, two's here. If I have to pick out a show to 48 00:04:31,539 --> 00:04:36,871 go off, it would be the Titans TV show. I liked the direction it was going. It looked like 49 00:04:36,911 --> 00:04:42,336 it was leading, probably introducing more characters such as Blue Beetle, Damien Wayne. Loved the 50 00:04:42,356 --> 00:04:49,241 introduction of Superboy, almost becoming a live-action Young Justice. Man, another show 51 00:04:49,261 --> 00:04:55,446 that I would have loved. Titans, Young Justice. Yeah, with each subsequent season of Titans, 52 00:04:55,486 --> 00:04:59,650 I feel like the show is getting better and better. It was initially hard for me to get on board 53 00:04:59,690 --> 00:05:07,997 with the tone of the series, Wonder Girl like Superboy. The show is just damn fun to watch. 54 00:05:08,397 --> 00:05:12,381 And I definitely agree that they ended it too soon. Yeah, that was one of the series that 55 00:05:12,421 --> 00:05:18,186 originated on the DC Universe app, if I remember correctly, before moving over to HBO Max, which 56 00:05:18,226 --> 00:05:22,730 later became Max. The other show that debuted on that platform was Doom Patrol, which I thought 57 00:05:22,770 --> 00:05:27,475 was a better show, but both of those series ended up quite solid, I think, by the end of 58 00:05:27,495 --> 00:05:31,630 their run. Yeah, absolutely. And in regards to Young Justice, That's definitely a show 59 00:05:31,650 --> 00:05:36,872 that also needs to come back for another season. It's definitely top tier DC animated fare. 60 00:05:37,252 --> 00:05:44,576 Great answer Scotty. Our next honorable mention goes to Zozo who said, So a Marvel TV series 61 00:05:44,596 --> 00:05:50,459 that I think deserves another season would be the spectacular Spider-Man. Me personally, 62 00:05:51,019 --> 00:05:55,601 I love that show. I grew up watching it. It's the reason why I fell in love with Spider-Man. 63 00:05:56,661 --> 00:06:02,228 Um. We were missing a bunch of Spider-Man's rogues. We didn't get Hobgoblin, Kingpin, Scorpion, 64 00:06:02,288 --> 00:06:06,770 Carnage. And if we got another season, then we could definitely fit those characters in. 65 00:06:06,790 --> 00:06:12,132 All right, that's all I gotta say. Thank you. Yeah, much like Young Justice, the spectacular 66 00:06:12,172 --> 00:06:17,434 Spider-Man animated series has a whole lot of fans. It's widely considered probably the best 67 00:06:17,674 --> 00:06:21,396 Spider-Man animated series that's come out so far, not counting your friendly neighborhood 68 00:06:21,416 --> 00:06:25,674 Spider-Man, which is still being released right now. So time will tell on that one. But yeah, 69 00:06:25,694 --> 00:06:29,477 there was a lot of potential with Spectacular Spider-Man, and it's a shame that it ended 70 00:06:29,557 --> 00:06:33,801 when it didn't. Myself, I was always a bigger fan of the 90's Spider-Man cartoon, but that's 71 00:06:33,821 --> 00:06:40,827 because I'm like an old ass millennial, and I really wish that Disney would put out a Spider-Man 72 00:06:40,887 --> 00:06:45,792 98 television series to compliment their X-Men 97 show. I don't think that'll happen, but 73 00:06:45,812 --> 00:06:50,956 in many ways, the 90's Spider-Man show walked so that Spectacular Spider-Man could run, and 74 00:06:51,137 --> 00:06:56,240 it was fantastic, yeah. I never actually saw a single episode of the Spectacular Spider-Man. 75 00:06:56,540 --> 00:07:02,583 Well, then you can just stop talking. I was just going to say that from the stills that 76 00:07:02,623 --> 00:07:07,606 I've seen from it though, it reminds me a lot of the Batman animated series that came around 77 00:07:07,887 --> 00:07:12,569 like just after Batman Begins. Oh, the Batman. Yeah. Yeah, there were some great cartoons 78 00:07:12,589 --> 00:07:18,553 that came out in the 2000s for sure. Great answer Zozo. Our final honorable mention goes to Travis 79 00:07:18,593 --> 00:07:23,439 Herndon, who said... What's up, dynamic dudes? Travis here. Shout out to my evil twins. So 80 00:07:23,539 --> 00:07:29,762 my answer had to be the MTV animated Spider-Man series. Hands down, that means another season 81 00:07:29,882 --> 00:07:35,724 to finish that story arc. Peter giving up being Spider-Man, evil psychic twins that cause him 82 00:07:35,744 --> 00:07:40,827 to hurt his friend are still at large. That means a conclusion. That story arc needs conclusion. 83 00:07:40,947 --> 00:07:46,229 Everybody will say spectacular Spider-Man or something. No, MTV's Spider-Man needs a bigger 84 00:07:46,249 --> 00:07:53,220 conclusion than spectacular. And speaking of 2000s animated series, the MTV Spider-Man cartoon 85 00:07:53,340 --> 00:08:00,623 came off the back of the first Sam Raimi Spider-Man movie. And the MTV Spider-Man cartoon was completely 86 00:08:00,683 --> 00:08:05,525 computer animated. The 3D character models were not bad looking, but everything moved stiff 87 00:08:05,565 --> 00:08:10,847 as hell in hindsight. Back at the time, I thought it was incredible. Like Spider-Man looked really 88 00:08:10,887 --> 00:08:14,929 fluid, swinging through the city and stuff like that. It was a pretty stylized show that I 89 00:08:15,229 --> 00:08:18,990 have a lot of nostalgia for, but I... Bet you upon revisiting it, it wouldn't hold up quite 90 00:08:19,030 --> 00:08:23,852 as well. Yeah, I loved the cast of that series. Neil Patrick Harris as Peter Parker is still 91 00:08:23,892 --> 00:08:27,614 one of my top favorite voice performances for the character to date. Plus you got some cool 92 00:08:27,634 --> 00:08:32,316 cameos and like Michael Clarke Duncan as Kingpin, which was fun. Yeah, it was cool that they 93 00:08:32,336 --> 00:08:38,238 were kind of establishing a continuity of sorts between this 3D animated cartoon and the films 94 00:08:38,258 --> 00:08:42,580 that were coming out at the time, right? Things were starting to cross over in a way on TV 95 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:47,078 that they weren't quite able to do in the films themselves. Really cool show. Thanks for the 96 00:08:47,118 --> 00:08:51,439 answer, Travis. And we want to give a quick shout out to Matt Estes, who gave the answer 97 00:08:51,539 --> 00:08:57,521 of Inhumans. And while I would agree that an Inhumans show would deserve many seasons, I 98 00:08:57,561 --> 00:09:01,342 think the Inhumans show is kind of fucked from the get-go. I don't know if I want more seasons 99 00:09:01,382 --> 00:09:05,143 of that. I would rather just have them reboot it. Yeah, the Inhumans deserve a show, just 100 00:09:05,223 --> 00:09:11,725 not that version of them. But the winner of this week's snow prize is Lee Tapscott. Who 101 00:09:11,765 --> 00:09:18,209 said? Lee Tapscott calling in about. which canceled Marvel or DC TV series, I wish got another 102 00:09:18,289 --> 00:09:27,238 season. 2016's NBC's Powerless, based in the DC universe. This was about an insurance company 103 00:09:27,258 --> 00:09:33,684 that specialize in products to protect bystanders from collateral damage of superheroes and supervillains. 104 00:09:34,044 --> 00:09:38,688 This was kind of like Marvel's damage control. They only got one season, but it would have 105 00:09:38,708 --> 00:09:44,184 been great to see more. Well, to my recollection, they started out as a sort of insurance company, 106 00:09:44,384 --> 00:09:48,947 but the show got retooled to be more of like an engineering firm or something where they 107 00:09:48,967 --> 00:09:54,931 invent products. Yeah, it was products for people who live in a world where superheroes destroy 108 00:09:54,971 --> 00:09:59,794 buildings and stuff like that. The series definitely went through a bit of development hell, but 109 00:09:59,855 --> 00:10:06,279 the final product was hilarious. I owned the first season, which was never fully released 110 00:10:06,379 --> 00:10:10,650 on television. There are a few episodes that the public never got the chance to see. And 111 00:10:10,690 --> 00:10:14,733 I gotta say, I would love to have seen more episodes from this series. I would have loved 112 00:10:14,773 --> 00:10:19,838 to have seen more takes on various superheroes, maybe obscure ones throughout the DC universe. 113 00:10:19,958 --> 00:10:23,741 Yeah, I think they had the Crimson Fox show up on the show. Right, yeah, and the Alpha 114 00:10:23,761 --> 00:10:28,905 Centurion. The cast was incredible. It was a phenomenal ensemble that included Vanessa Hudgens 115 00:10:29,306 --> 00:10:33,950 and Ellen Tudyk and Danny Pooty. I still watch some of the episodes from this series from 116 00:10:33,990 --> 00:10:38,153 time to time whenever I need a good laugh. And yeah, I would have loved more seasons of it. 117 00:10:38,662 --> 00:10:44,345 It was kind of like Parks and Rec set in the world of DC, right? It didn't have that same 118 00:10:44,865 --> 00:10:49,748 documentary style feel to it. But I would argue it was just as funny personally. Yeah, I think 119 00:10:49,988 --> 00:10:55,591 the show as a concept kind of got shed on because superhero fans don't want comedies about their 120 00:10:55,631 --> 00:11:01,455 superheroes. But I disagree. I think this type of show would have thrived in today's environment 121 00:11:01,475 --> 00:11:05,737 where superhero fatigue is kind of setting in because Powerless gave us something unique 122 00:11:05,757 --> 00:11:09,749 and different at the time. Yeah, I didn't think the show was gonna be nearly as good as it 123 00:11:09,789 --> 00:11:13,773 was, or I didn't think I was gonna enjoy it as much as I did, I should say. If you guys 124 00:11:13,793 --> 00:11:18,037 have never checked it out, I definitely recommend watching Powerless. So great answer, Lee! You 125 00:11:18,058 --> 00:11:22,282 win this week's No Prize. If you're the listener, want a shot at winning your own No Prize. Stay 126 00:11:22,302 --> 00:11:26,567 tuned to later on in this episode when we'll be asking another question of the week. And 127 00:11:26,587 --> 00:11:28,669 now that that's done, on to the news! 128 00:11:34,190 --> 00:11:39,233 All right, this past week we got two trailers from Marvel Studios, the first one being the 129 00:11:39,393 --> 00:11:45,337 official teaser for Fantastic Four First Steps. Now we've got brief glimpses of the film from 130 00:11:45,397 --> 00:11:50,741 last year during San Diego Comic-Con, but the release of this teaser was the general public's 131 00:11:50,781 --> 00:11:56,825 first glimpse at the film, and I think it probably surprised a lot of people who weren't already 132 00:11:56,865 --> 00:12:01,908 familiar with the creative direction that the film was taking. The film takes place in an 133 00:12:02,028 --> 00:12:08,387 alternate universe, everything looks very dated. It probably doesn't look like how a lot of 134 00:12:08,407 --> 00:12:12,768 people wanted the Fantastic Four movie to look where the costumes look like how John Krasinski's 135 00:12:12,788 --> 00:12:17,629 did in Multiverse of Madness. You know, here the costumes are light blue with the white 136 00:12:17,649 --> 00:12:22,551 trim and everything like that. So I don't know, I think there was just a misalignment of expectations, 137 00:12:22,591 --> 00:12:27,992 but I gotta say that I really do like the bold creative choices that Marvel is taking with 138 00:12:28,012 --> 00:12:33,587 this franchise because it really harkens back to the origins of the characters, you know, 139 00:12:33,747 --> 00:12:39,292 as they were presented in the 1960s by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. I think it's an interesting 140 00:12:39,612 --> 00:12:44,096 angle to take the characters and it's something new and unique in a genre that we're not seeing 141 00:12:44,116 --> 00:12:51,622 a whole lot of new stuff from. So to see this 60s retro futuristic style, I think is an apt 142 00:12:51,882 --> 00:12:55,925 approach for the Fantastic Four. Like if you look at the design of the Baxter building, 143 00:12:56,418 --> 00:13:00,019 That's pretty cool as hell. I really like the look of the fantastic car too. Even though 144 00:13:00,139 --> 00:13:03,339 it drives on the street, which is weird, I'm assuming that at some point the wheels are 145 00:13:03,359 --> 00:13:07,481 gonna lift up and we're gonna see it fly. Yeah, I like the design of Herbie. I really dig the 146 00:13:07,521 --> 00:13:13,302 aesthetic of this movie so far. Herbie was interesting. I like his like data tape eyeballs. Right, 147 00:13:13,382 --> 00:13:17,063 yeah. Just the design of him looks really cool. I gotta say, I wasn't a huge fan of the scene 148 00:13:17,103 --> 00:13:22,285 that he was in with the thing. No. They spent, I swear to God, like 45 seconds on just the 149 00:13:22,305 --> 00:13:27,914 thing and Herbie talking about cooking. And I feel like that was only an Easter egg for 150 00:13:27,934 --> 00:13:32,936 fans of the Bear television series. Like they wouldn't have done that if it wasn't for Cousin 151 00:13:32,996 --> 00:13:38,357 from that show played by Eben Moss Bachrock also playing the thing in this movie. I liked 152 00:13:38,397 --> 00:13:41,838 Herbie in that scene. I did not like really anything about the thing, though. I thought 153 00:13:41,858 --> 00:13:46,640 the CG was bad. I thought his voice is bad. I guess his look is the most comic accurate 154 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:52,241 look of the thing with a huge beetle brow. But everything else about him was not great, in 155 00:13:52,281 --> 00:13:56,907 my opinion. His voice did throw me off, I do find myself wishing that he wasn't wearing 156 00:13:56,947 --> 00:14:01,309 that bulky sweater. It almost seems like he's a little bit puffy and non-threatening, you 157 00:14:01,329 --> 00:14:06,131 know? And maybe that's the point, because we know that traditionally the Fantastic Four 158 00:14:06,211 --> 00:14:12,593 are beloved by the public and regarded as celebrity heroes. But yeah, I do think that this design 159 00:14:12,693 --> 00:14:18,756 of the Thing is the most comic accurate. That being said, the comic accurate depiction of 160 00:14:18,796 --> 00:14:23,530 the Thing character does look a little bit more cartoony in this regard, I think. You almost 161 00:14:23,550 --> 00:14:27,373 think that maybe there could have been something that felt grounded and believable and real 162 00:14:27,413 --> 00:14:33,458 and tangible within this world. Nah, fans would have complained if you did that. Maybe. I probably 163 00:14:33,498 --> 00:14:38,162 would have complained. Yeah, what am I talking about? I will consider myself a fan of this 164 00:14:38,202 --> 00:14:42,545 version of the thing. I'm just hoping that they really deepen the voice and yeah, I can't wait 165 00:14:42,565 --> 00:14:47,049 to see the polished final look of the CGI effect. You know what I think they went wrong with? 166 00:14:47,449 --> 00:14:55,051 You know how they made Mark Ruffalo's Hulk look like Mark Ruffalo? Yeah. Michael Chiklis looked 167 00:14:55,111 --> 00:14:59,694 like his version of the thing in that movie, but I don't see anything of Eben Masbachraak 168 00:14:59,774 --> 00:15:04,377 in this thing. You might be right. Like, if you listen to our reviews of the Hulk movies, 169 00:15:04,397 --> 00:15:10,101 we conjectured that the reason that Mark Ruffalo's Hulk is the most successful version of that 170 00:15:10,162 --> 00:15:15,745 CG character is because you can see the performance of Mark Ruffalo within the animation. Same 171 00:15:15,785 --> 00:15:20,829 thing with Josh Brolin and the character of Thanos. Hopefully, we'll be able to see more 172 00:15:20,889 --> 00:15:27,146 of Eben's performance within this design of the thing. I never really liked his casting, 173 00:15:27,206 --> 00:15:32,711 but I do have to say Vanessa Kirby, at least, as Sue Storm, seems to be absolute perfection. 174 00:15:33,172 --> 00:15:39,177 Dude, and the effect that they give her invisibility powers with that slight like rainbow halo at 175 00:15:39,197 --> 00:15:43,761 the edge, almost like a bubble, like a soap bubble, that was really cool. I really liked 176 00:15:43,781 --> 00:15:48,525 that effect. Cause it feels like she's actually bending light in that regard. Right, exactly. 177 00:15:49,022 --> 00:15:52,564 I really like the fire effects on the human torch. Those have always been pretty great 178 00:15:52,644 --> 00:15:57,206 in all the franchises that we've seen of the Fantastic Four. We didn't see any of Mr. Fantastic's 179 00:15:57,226 --> 00:16:00,809 stretching powers though, which I thought was a little bit of a disappointment, largely because 180 00:16:00,929 --> 00:16:05,631 his power set and how he uses his powers has always been really interesting to me. Yeah, 181 00:16:05,671 --> 00:16:09,214 seeing Mr. Fantastic's power would have been cool. It would have been also cool to see some 182 00:16:09,254 --> 00:16:13,416 of Johnny's trademark humor. I agree, yeah, he didn't get any lines in this trailer at 183 00:16:13,436 --> 00:16:17,042 all, which I thought was kind of weird. We just got to see him like... I don't know, lounging 184 00:16:17,082 --> 00:16:20,844 around the house wearing an astronaut's outfit or something, I don't know. And then falling 185 00:16:20,884 --> 00:16:25,005 back to Earth in like a slow-mo scene. I was like, all right. Yeah, there were some interesting 186 00:16:25,045 --> 00:16:30,428 shots toward the end of the teaser where we see Galactus' arrival, where, you know, in 187 00:16:30,448 --> 00:16:35,350 the comic books, as the Silver Surfer came in, the Earth Devourer's arrival was heralded by 188 00:16:35,810 --> 00:16:40,932 rocks and fire in the sky and things like that. So they're being real true to the comic books 189 00:16:40,972 --> 00:16:45,222 when we see all of these like asteroids kind of come again. And we get a shot of the big 190 00:16:45,242 --> 00:16:49,945 man himself from behind, really. We see his shadow looming over Manhattan, and then we 191 00:16:49,965 --> 00:16:54,627 see the back of Galactus' head, but it's so refreshing to actually see the character in 192 00:16:54,667 --> 00:17:00,330 live action as he is depicted in the comic books and not just this space cloud that they did 193 00:17:00,410 --> 00:17:04,973 in the old franchise. What do you think of the final outfits for the Fantastic Four? They're 194 00:17:04,993 --> 00:17:09,458 revealed in this pretty cool shot where... The team is on a sound stage, kind of reminiscent 195 00:17:09,478 --> 00:17:13,859 of like the Beatles on the Ed Sullivan show. Again, these guys are treated like celebrities 196 00:17:14,139 --> 00:17:18,080 by the general public. But the costumes, as I mentioned earlier, they don't look that modern, 197 00:17:18,120 --> 00:17:22,462 right? How do you feel about that? Well, we've seen art of these costumes before, so I wasn't 198 00:17:22,682 --> 00:17:28,143 totally surprised. I don't love them. I also don't love that they're not all uniform. Like 199 00:17:28,163 --> 00:17:33,505 they each have slight differences to them. Yeah, like Ben and Johnny have the white shoulders 200 00:17:33,525 --> 00:17:39,403 and the arms. And Sue has like the white collar area. whereas Reed's is mostly blue. Yeah, 201 00:17:39,423 --> 00:17:44,687 I don't love them, but I guess they're in keeping with the whole style of this world. The movie 202 00:17:44,707 --> 00:17:49,750 comes out in theaters on July 25th, and you can bet your sweet ass will be reviewing it 203 00:17:49,990 --> 00:17:54,633 right here on this podcast. It'll be work, but yeah, we'll review it. I actually can't wait 204 00:17:54,653 --> 00:17:59,657 to see it. I was a really big fan of this teaser. But speaking of previews that I'm a big fan 205 00:17:59,717 --> 00:18:05,501 of, let's talk about the Thunderbolts big game trailer. Now we've seen a few teasers and trailers 206 00:18:05,521 --> 00:18:10,436 come out for this movie. which debuts in just a few months here, but I think this is the 207 00:18:10,496 --> 00:18:15,059 first time we got a clear indication of who the villain is gonna be and what that is gonna 208 00:18:15,079 --> 00:18:20,983 look like. Previously, we all assumed that the Sentry was going to be a member of the Thunderbolts 209 00:18:21,023 --> 00:18:26,407 team, but here, we clearly see that he is the main villain. And maybe it's just his void 210 00:18:26,467 --> 00:18:32,331 persona that is the villain, but we do see this shadowy figure with a long flowing cape flying 211 00:18:32,371 --> 00:18:37,414 above Manhattan and essentially covering the city in shadow, in his darkness. and turning 212 00:18:37,454 --> 00:18:41,778 people into shadows. Yeah, yeah, that was pretty interesting. They're taking a very light and 213 00:18:41,818 --> 00:18:46,462 dark visual approach to the Sentry's power set, which makes sense because that's how it's depicted 214 00:18:46,482 --> 00:18:51,686 in the comic books. But seeing it in live action is always interesting when you see a character's 215 00:18:51,866 --> 00:18:58,632 abilities for the first time like that. My guess is that maybe like Bob Reynolds Sentry joins 216 00:18:58,832 --> 00:19:03,656 the Thunderbolts, but he goes comatose or something and the void takes over. If you guys wanna 217 00:19:03,676 --> 00:19:08,977 learn more about the Sentry, and his dark alter ego, The Void, definitely listen to our General 218 00:19:09,017 --> 00:19:14,442 Zod versus Sentry Duel episode. But with the Sentry being the bad guy of this film, it begs 219 00:19:14,482 --> 00:19:20,888 the question, how the hell is this ragtag group of super soldiers and spies going to defeat 220 00:19:21,308 --> 00:19:25,372 this guy who's essentially Superman? He has the power of a thousand exploding suns, right? 221 00:19:25,392 --> 00:19:29,715 He's one of Marvel's most powerful characters. What chance does this team have? Yeah, Yelena 222 00:19:29,775 --> 00:19:33,938 literally says, all we do is punch and shoot. And she's not wrong, but I mean, they also 223 00:19:33,958 --> 00:19:38,380 have a few super soldiers on there. I like it with someone who goes intangible. And someone 224 00:19:38,580 --> 00:19:43,542 who can mimic the physical abilities of other in Taskmaster. Although, seems like Taskmaster 225 00:19:43,702 --> 00:19:48,404 dies like really early in the movie because the character is almost non-existent in any 226 00:19:48,444 --> 00:19:52,346 of the marketing material. Right, yeah, I would not be surprised if the character dies. The 227 00:19:52,366 --> 00:19:56,887 more and more I see about this film, the more I liken it to the Suicide Squad. Well, I think 228 00:19:56,907 --> 00:20:03,835 the analogs have been drawn a lot, but the concept of a Suicide Squad Superman movie is quite 229 00:20:03,875 --> 00:20:09,459 intriguing. I think it's really cool to see Bucky take charge and stand up and lead this 230 00:20:09,499 --> 00:20:14,962 team toward doing what's right and protecting the city in a world where the Avengers are 231 00:20:14,982 --> 00:20:19,005 not really a thing anymore. Yeah absolutely I really liked that actually for a character 232 00:20:19,045 --> 00:20:23,568 who could have been Captain America in the MCU and has been in the comics it was nice to see 233 00:20:23,608 --> 00:20:29,052 him take a lead role in a team dynamic like this. I do feel like we'll need to start a 234 00:20:29,132 --> 00:20:34,827 Deadpool on these who's gonna come out alive after this film. Like I'm not so sure about 235 00:20:34,887 --> 00:20:40,049 Red Guardian, not so sure about Ghost, not so sure about US Agent. Oh yeah, didn't we do 236 00:20:40,129 --> 00:20:44,871 a Deadpool for the Suicide Squad film on Discord? Yeah, I think we did, but I don't think anyone 237 00:20:44,911 --> 00:20:50,413 was close to determining who actually survived. Well, there are fewer characters in this movie, 238 00:20:50,473 --> 00:20:54,595 so we'll bring the Duel pullback and see who gets it right. Thunderbolts comes out in theaters 239 00:20:54,675 --> 00:21:00,197 May 2nd, and you can bet your sweet ass we're gonna be reviewing it on this podcast. Again, 240 00:21:00,697 --> 00:21:07,269 work. Yay. I'm also really looking forward to the Thunderbolts. We got two great trailers 241 00:21:07,309 --> 00:21:12,055 here. I'm super excited and thrilled with the state of Marvel Studios. And that brings us 242 00:21:12,095 --> 00:21:13,337 to our question of the week. 243 00:21:17,910 --> 00:21:23,575 Between the Fantastic Four teaser and the Thunderbolts big game trailer, which got you more hyped 244 00:21:24,156 --> 00:21:29,321 and why? It's time to be a DC fan this week. I'll say that. I don't know, I liked the Superman 245 00:21:29,361 --> 00:21:35,868 trailer more than either of these personally, but uh... You just wrong! No! You! But disregarding 246 00:21:35,908 --> 00:21:39,852 the Superman trailer, we want to know which of these two trailers got you most pumped to 247 00:21:39,892 --> 00:21:44,808 see that respective film. Record your answer at dynamicduel.com by clicking on the red microphone 248 00:21:44,848 --> 00:21:48,290 button in the bottom right hand corner of the screen, which will prompt you to leave us a 249 00:21:48,371 --> 00:21:52,894 voicemail. Your message could be up to 30 seconds long, and don't forget to leave your name in 250 00:21:52,914 --> 00:21:57,317 case we include you on the podcast. We'll pick our favorite answer and award that person a 251 00:21:57,377 --> 00:22:02,921 Dynamic Duel No Prize that we'll post to Instagram. Be sure to answer before February 15th. 252 00:22:09,922 --> 00:22:14,027 But that does it for all the news for this episode, so let's go ahead and move into our main event 253 00:22:14,187 --> 00:22:20,276 where we find out who would win in a fight between the Justice League villain, the General, and 254 00:22:20,396 --> 00:22:24,021 the Hulk villain, turned anti-hero, Red Hulk. 255 00:22:39,106 --> 00:22:45,928 Alright, the General versus Red Hulk. We have two big hulking brutes here going head to head 256 00:22:45,948 --> 00:22:51,851 against each other, who coincidentally enough used to be generals before they became rampaging 257 00:22:51,891 --> 00:22:58,313 monsters. Yeah, one of them is still literally named the General. Which is quite a lack of 258 00:22:58,594 --> 00:23:05,296 imagination, I think, on behalf of DC. Oh, okay. I'm sorry, what is Red Hulk's name again? Red 259 00:23:05,536 --> 00:23:12,439 Hulk? Alright, so one other thing these characters have in common is that they both have horrible 260 00:23:12,619 --> 00:23:17,761 names. I don't know which one's worse, honestly. But they're both pretty cool characters. The 261 00:23:17,801 --> 00:23:23,164 General, as I understand it, is a Captain Adam villain who moved on to being a Justice League 262 00:23:23,184 --> 00:23:28,586 villain. Sort of, I guess you could say that. Yeah, the General's name is General Wade Eilink, 263 00:23:28,646 --> 00:23:34,669 and he's actually appeared in quite a few DC projects. Clancy Brown played him in the Arrowverse, 264 00:23:34,829 --> 00:23:38,490 and he did a really good job with that. But as you'll see in the character's backstory, 265 00:23:38,651 --> 00:23:43,433 later on he becomes a character very much like the Hulk. So in a way, Red Hulk is kind of 266 00:23:43,453 --> 00:23:50,177 like a rip-off. Taking this major general character in comics and turning them into the Hulk? Hmm. 267 00:23:51,438 --> 00:23:56,100 So what you're saying is that the general is a rip-off of the Hulk is all I heard. What? 268 00:23:56,660 --> 00:24:01,363 You heard me. I'm saying Red Hulk is a rip-off of General. No, Red Hulk is a rip-off of the 269 00:24:01,403 --> 00:24:06,634 Hulk as well. But that's fine, because he's called Red Hulk. Oh, he's an homage. That's 270 00:24:06,654 --> 00:24:11,075 your argument? Yes, yes. Can't wait to break down these characters and get into their backstories 271 00:24:11,095 --> 00:24:16,177 and powers, but to explain the methodology behind our duels, let's go to our sentient duel simulator, 272 00:24:16,577 --> 00:24:22,239 Alfred Jarvis 9000. AJ9K, tell our listeners how you go about determining a winner in our 273 00:24:22,259 --> 00:24:27,200 duel matchups. Yes, of course, sir. The way I determine a winner between the contestants 274 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:32,642 is by running 1000 Monte Carlo simulations using the characters' statistics. The Monte Carlo 275 00:24:32,662 --> 00:24:36,966 simulation is a probabilistic model used to determine outcomes through random sampling. 276 00:24:37,406 --> 00:24:42,290 In this case, I randomised the statistics along a normal distribution as a way to simulate 277 00:24:42,330 --> 00:24:46,914 the many variables that can occur during battle. The stat parameters are based on the official 278 00:24:46,974 --> 00:24:52,279 Marvel power grid from which the DC characters' statistics are extrapolated. Additional stat 279 00:24:52,319 --> 00:24:57,843 categories are included such as range, damage potential, versatility and perception in order 280 00:24:57,883 --> 00:25:03,273 to create a more detailed and accurate simulation. The results of the 1000 simulations provide 281 00:25:03,293 --> 00:25:07,679 a percentage of wins for each character. The contestant with the higher percentage is declared 282 00:25:07,699 --> 00:25:13,006 the victor, as they have a higher probability to win any given battle. In an equitable pairing, 283 00:25:13,386 --> 00:25:18,159 neither character should win 100% of the matches. The comic book stories have shown that there's 284 00:25:18,319 --> 00:25:23,123 even a way for Batman to defeat Superman, so the confidence rate of my method falls in line 285 00:25:23,143 --> 00:25:27,747 with the precedents that have been established in the source material. My mathematical simulations 286 00:25:27,767 --> 00:25:32,932 are without subjectivity or bias. Feats are not the sole consideration, nor are fan votes 287 00:25:32,972 --> 00:25:38,957 tabulated for determination of the winner. Thanks AJ9K! Before we run the simulations though, 288 00:25:38,977 --> 00:25:43,480 we like to break down each character's histories and abilities before improvising a scenario 289 00:25:43,540 --> 00:25:49,265 on how we imagine one of the 1000 simulations would play out beat for beat. And it's my turn 290 00:25:49,285 --> 00:25:54,828 to go first with a DC character's backstory, so let me tell you all about the general. Now, 291 00:25:54,868 --> 00:26:00,012 Wade Iolink was a four-star general in the United States Army, a brilliant strategist known for 292 00:26:00,052 --> 00:26:05,356 his ruthless approach to warfare and his willingness to sacrifice anything for the greater good. 293 00:26:05,756 --> 00:26:10,979 He oversaw the top secret Captain Atom project, an experiment designed to create the ultimate 294 00:26:11,019 --> 00:26:17,118 living weapon under the US military's control. To achieve his goal, Eilink selected Nathaniel 295 00:26:17,258 --> 00:26:22,760 Adam, an Air Force officer falsely convicted of a crime and sentenced to death. Eilink offered 296 00:26:22,860 --> 00:26:28,941 Adam a choice, submit to an extremely dangerous experiment in exchange for a presidential pardon 297 00:26:29,302 --> 00:26:34,823 or face execution. With no real alternative, Adam agreed, and you can learn more about Captain 298 00:26:34,883 --> 00:26:41,365 Adam in our Captain Adam vs. Wonder Man episode. The experiment, designed to bond alien silver 299 00:26:41,405 --> 00:26:48,088 shield metal to a human subject, exposed Adam to a nuclear detonation. The resulting explosion 300 00:26:48,188 --> 00:26:54,331 hurled Adam nearly 20 years into the future, during which time Eilink covered up the project's 301 00:26:54,371 --> 00:26:59,834 failure and continued his efforts to create a super-powered soldier. His next experiment 302 00:26:59,914 --> 00:27:06,937 led to the creation of Major Force, a metahuman under direct military control. Meanwhile, Eiling 303 00:27:07,077 --> 00:27:12,380 married Adam's wife and raised his children as his own. When Adam finally reappeared in 304 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:18,003 the present as Captain Adam, Eiling manipulated him into serving the government using the threat 305 00:27:18,043 --> 00:27:23,445 of keeping him from his family as leverage. Eiling remained a key figure in the military's 306 00:27:23,525 --> 00:27:31,349 metahuman operations, overseeing various secret classified missions. However, his influence 307 00:27:31,389 --> 00:27:37,453 suffered a critical blow when Captain Adam defied orders, revealing military corruption and exposing 308 00:27:37,493 --> 00:27:43,818 the US government's unethical experiments. Disgraced but undeterred, Eilink remained determined 309 00:27:44,138 --> 00:27:49,802 to maintain control over America's metahuman assets. Eilink's career was cut short when 310 00:27:49,842 --> 00:27:56,686 he was diagnosed with an inoperable brain tumor, a fate he refused to accept. Unwilling to succumb 311 00:27:56,706 --> 00:28:02,630 to mortality, he devised a new plan, one that would grant him both immortality and unstoppable 312 00:28:02,690 --> 00:28:09,455 power. His solution lay in Shaggy Man, an artificial life form designed by Professor Andrew Zagarian. 313 00:28:09,835 --> 00:28:15,639 The Shaggy Man was originally created as an indestructible synthetic organism, constructed 314 00:28:15,679 --> 00:28:21,983 from a newly engineered substance known as plastalloy and enhanced with salamander DNA to allow for 315 00:28:22,063 --> 00:28:27,787 rapid regeneration. However, the experiment went horribly wrong. The Shaggy Man grew into 316 00:28:28,448 --> 00:28:34,612 powerful mindless brute, immune to injury, and capable of instantly regenerating from any 317 00:28:34,672 --> 00:28:40,056 damage. The creature rampaged uncontrollably, battling the Justice League multiple times 318 00:28:40,356 --> 00:28:45,900 before being captured and imprisoned, only to return each time due to its immortality and 319 00:28:45,980 --> 00:28:52,584 self-repairing physiology. Eiling saw the Shaggy Man as key to his survival and deployed a military 320 00:28:52,624 --> 00:28:57,466 task force to recover the creature's inert body from the depths of the Pacific Ocean where 321 00:28:57,506 --> 00:29:02,548 he was last contained. Despite interference from Green Lantern and Aquaman, the military 322 00:29:02,588 --> 00:29:08,011 succeeded in retrieving the body, allowing Eiling to transfer his mind into the Shaggy Man's 323 00:29:08,071 --> 00:29:14,254 body and abandon his cancer-ridden form. Now reborn in an indestructible body, he shaved 324 00:29:14,314 --> 00:29:19,536 off the Shaggy Man's fur and renamed himself the General. He launched an all-out assault 325 00:29:19,577 --> 00:29:25,140 on the Justice League, deploying the Ultramarine Corps, a unit of genetically enhanced metahuman 326 00:29:25,180 --> 00:29:30,803 soldiers under his command. Though the General proved nearly unstoppable, the League recognized 327 00:29:30,843 --> 00:29:35,807 his tactical shortcomings in his new monstrous form and exploited his diminished strategic 328 00:29:35,887 --> 00:29:41,170 focus, trapping him on a barren rock in the solar system's asteroid belt between Mars and 329 00:29:41,210 --> 00:29:46,433 Jupiter. Eiling remained trapped on the asteroid for months before being rescued by the Queen 330 00:29:46,493 --> 00:29:51,468 Bee. who you can learn more about in our Queen Bee vs Spider-Roman episode. She recruited 331 00:29:51,508 --> 00:29:56,311 him into Lex Luthor's Injustice Gang, and the General once again clashed with the Justice 332 00:29:56,351 --> 00:30:02,074 League, wielding massive ballistic weapons alongside his immense physical power. During the battle, 333 00:30:02,315 --> 00:30:07,758 he attempted to activate a White Martian warship's weapons to destroy Earth, but was stopped by 334 00:30:07,858 --> 00:30:12,821 Orion and his war dog, Sturmer, who tackled him through an airlock, banishing him into 335 00:30:12,841 --> 00:30:17,846 the Phantom Zone. and you can learn more about Orion in his duel against Silver Surfer. The 336 00:30:17,886 --> 00:30:22,893 details of his escape from the Phantom Zone remain unknown, but he resurfaced once again, 337 00:30:23,073 --> 00:30:27,522 becoming a high-ranking member of the Seeker Society of Super-Villains. He fought alongside 338 00:30:27,642 --> 00:30:32,244 other metahuman criminals during the Battle of Metropolis, one of the first major offenses 339 00:30:32,404 --> 00:30:38,007 in the Society's war against the heroes. Following the Society's defeat, however, Eiland was captured 340 00:30:38,047 --> 00:30:44,430 and forced into the Suicide Squad, a gove team of criminals sent on high-risk missions, which 341 00:30:44,470 --> 00:30:49,392 you can learn more about in our Suicide Squad vs. Defenders team duel. Though nearly impossible 342 00:30:49,432 --> 00:30:55,175 to control, the General's regenerative abilities made him an invaluable asset to Amanda Waller. 343 00:30:56,676 --> 00:31:01,737 betrayed the squad, revealing their mission to their intended target. In response, Rig 344 00:31:01,757 --> 00:31:07,940 Flag activated a bomb implanted in Eiling's brain, detonating it. Though his body regenerated, 345 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:13,942 the explosion impaired his memory, leaving him with partial amnesia. Even after his betrayal, 346 00:31:14,222 --> 00:31:18,824 the General remained a member of the Suicide Squad, participating in missions that led to 347 00:31:18,884 --> 00:31:24,419 events where Earth's worst criminals were exiled to an alien planet. Following the Flashpoint 348 00:31:24,459 --> 00:31:30,629 event that reset DC's continuity, Wade Eiland was reintroduced as a high-ranking US military 349 00:31:30,670 --> 00:31:36,499 officer overseeing better human operations. This version of Eiland retained his role as 350 00:31:36,519 --> 00:31:42,287 a manipulative strategist. leveraging Captain Adam's abilities for military purposes. Unlike 351 00:31:42,307 --> 00:31:47,450 his previous incarnation, however, this version did not transfer his mind into Shaggy Man's 352 00:31:47,490 --> 00:31:53,192 body. Instead, he focused on controlling and weaponizing metahumans using major force to 353 00:31:53,232 --> 00:31:58,175 combat Firestorm and other rogue superhumans. He remained a constant adversary to Captain 354 00:31:58,255 --> 00:32:03,497 Adam, seeing him as a dangerous asset that needed to be contained and controlled. Elements of 355 00:32:03,557 --> 00:32:08,840 Eiling's original history were reintroduced, though he remained primarily a military antagonist 356 00:32:08,980 --> 00:32:13,983 rather than a physical combatant in Shaggy Man's body. Though with this duel focusing solely 357 00:32:14,103 --> 00:32:18,706 as his incarnation as the General, that's the version we're going with. Powers-wise, the 358 00:32:18,767 --> 00:32:23,830 General possesses superhuman strength, durability, and stamina, allowing him to battle the likes 359 00:32:23,870 --> 00:32:29,334 of Superman, Wonder Woman, and Martian Manhunter simultaneously. His indestructible synthetic 360 00:32:29,374 --> 00:32:33,056 physiology, derived from the Shaggy Man's plast alloy body and 361 00:32:38,500 --> 00:32:45,104 almost instantly, even regrowing severed limbs. He is immortal, requiring no food, water, rest, 362 00:32:45,304 --> 00:32:50,748 or oxygen, and his body is highly adaptable, making him resistant to most forms of attack. 363 00:32:51,048 --> 00:32:56,852 He's surprisingly agile and fast and his enhanced senses allow him to detect adrenaline in his 364 00:32:56,912 --> 00:33:03,016 enemy's sweat, making ambushes nearly impossible. However, his intellect began deteriorating 365 00:33:03,216 --> 00:33:07,619 after transferring into the Shaggy Man's body, reducing his tactical focus and making him 366 00:33:07,659 --> 00:33:13,761 more That's the General. Well jokes on you, the Red Hulk doesn't sweat because all of his 367 00:33:13,781 --> 00:33:19,302 sweat immediately evaporates. No, but he could smell the evaporated sweat. Okay, okay. I've 368 00:33:19,342 --> 00:33:23,683 always liked the General as a character. He was always a special kind of bastard who you 369 00:33:23,723 --> 00:33:29,184 love to hate solely for the fact that not only did he send Nathaniel Adam to die in the experiment, 370 00:33:29,244 --> 00:33:34,005 but then he also married his wife and became a father to his kids. Yeah. Like, it's rare 371 00:33:34,025 --> 00:33:39,749 you see that kind of assholery in comics where the antagonist makes things so personal. Right. 372 00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:44,892 Yeah, the general actually has a pretty special place in my heart as a DC fan because when 373 00:33:44,912 --> 00:33:50,596 I first really started getting into reading DC comics, it was during the Justice League 374 00:33:50,696 --> 00:33:55,980 Grant Morrison run where Lex Luthor's and Justice Gang of the general and Queen B and Prometheus 375 00:33:56,340 --> 00:34:00,503 were the major villains. I think he's a really cool character. Who would win in a fight between 376 00:34:00,743 --> 00:34:05,907 the general and Doomsday? Because they seem almost identical. I would argue Doomsday just 377 00:34:05,947 --> 00:34:11,952 because of the sharp edges that he has. He would basically smash the general into a pulp. Now 378 00:34:11,992 --> 00:34:17,717 the general will always regenerate, but the general isn't smashing Doomsday into a pulp. 379 00:34:18,038 --> 00:34:22,161 So I would give the edge to Doomsday. That makes sense. Maybe we'll run the stats on that. But 380 00:34:22,182 --> 00:34:28,247 you know who is smashing the general to a pulp though? Not Red Hulk. That's right. Red Hulk. 381 00:34:29,428 --> 00:34:33,954 Let me go ahead and get into his backstory. Born into a family with a long history of military 382 00:34:33,994 --> 00:34:38,776 service, Thaddeus Thunderbolt Ross was raised with the expectation of following in the footsteps 383 00:34:38,836 --> 00:34:43,877 of his father and grandfather. As a young man, he immersed himself in military history and 384 00:34:43,897 --> 00:34:48,818 developed his flying skills as a stunt pilot at county fairs. He later attended the United 385 00:34:48,858 --> 00:34:53,960 States Military Academy at West Point, where he graduated at the top of his class. Ross 386 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,761 quickly rose through the ranks of the military, serving in multiple wars, and earning his nickname 387 00:34:58,921 --> 00:35:04,085 Thunderbolt. for his aggressive, fearless leadership in battle. His troops admired his battlefield 388 00:35:04,125 --> 00:35:08,869 prowess, but he also gained a reputation for being ruthless and unwavering in his commitment 389 00:35:08,889 --> 00:35:14,234 to military objectives. Ross married Karen Lee, the daughter of his commanding officer, and 390 00:35:14,254 --> 00:35:19,819 the two had a daughter, Betty Ross. After Karen's untimely death when Betty was a teenager, Ross 391 00:35:19,839 --> 00:35:24,383 was left to raise his daughter while balancing his military career. Ross was also one of the 392 00:35:24,423 --> 00:35:29,518 founding members of a secret initiative known as Control. which was tasked with monitoring 393 00:35:29,578 --> 00:35:34,359 scientific advancements that could pose a threat to national security. Ross continued to rise 394 00:35:34,399 --> 00:35:38,940 through the military's ranks, eventually attaining the rank of general. His leadership in war 395 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:44,142 zones further cemented his reputation as a hard-nosed, battle-hardened officer. However, his career 396 00:35:44,162 --> 00:35:49,643 trajectory changed when he was assigned to oversee the Gamma Bomb Project, led by Bruce Banner, 397 00:35:50,083 --> 00:35:54,745 at a desert base in New Mexico. Ross resented Banner from the start, believing him to be 398 00:35:54,785 --> 00:35:59,122 an unworthy weakling and a poor match for his daughter Betty, who was drawn to the young 399 00:35:59,162 --> 00:36:04,964 scientist. Ross viewed military service as the epitome of manhood and found Banner's intellectual 400 00:36:05,064 --> 00:36:10,247 and unassuming nature to be detestable. His disdain for Banner only deepened when an accident 401 00:36:10,267 --> 00:36:14,949 during the Gamma Bomb test transformed Banner into the Hulk, whom you can learn more about 402 00:36:15,189 --> 00:36:20,411 in his duel episode against Doomsday. Ross immediately perceived the Hulk as a major threat and launched 403 00:36:20,451 --> 00:36:25,233 an aggressive campaign to either capture or destroy the creature. He led numerous military 404 00:36:25,273 --> 00:36:30,600 assaults against the Hulk. overseeing the formation of elite task forces such as the Hulkbusters. 405 00:36:31,141 --> 00:36:36,524 Despite his relentless pursuit, Ross continually failed to subdue the Hulk, leading to increasing 406 00:36:36,544 --> 00:36:41,588 frustration and desperation. His obsession with bringing down the Hulk strained his relationship 407 00:36:41,628 --> 00:36:46,751 with Betty, who remained loyal to Banner. Ross recruited Major Glenn Talbot to his cause, 408 00:36:47,212 --> 00:36:52,135 hoping Talbot could both help eliminate the Hulk and win Betty's affections. But Betty's 409 00:36:52,195 --> 00:36:59,299 love for Banner remained steadfast. Ross took extreme measures, including forming uneasy 410 00:36:59,339 --> 00:37:04,941 alliances with known supervillains such as the Leader and Modoc, hoping their combined resources 411 00:37:04,981 --> 00:37:10,623 could finally eliminate the Hulk. He even made multiple deals with the Abomination, a gamma-powered 412 00:37:10,703 --> 00:37:15,726 enemy of the Hulk, despite knowing the villain's destructive tendencies. His increasing willingness 413 00:37:15,766 --> 00:37:20,668 to compromise military protocol for personal revenge led to his eventual dismissal from 414 00:37:20,708 --> 00:37:25,862 the service. His obsession reached a peak when he crashed Betty and Bruce's wedding. armed 415 00:37:25,882 --> 00:37:30,966 with a gun, and shot and wounded Bruce's friend Rick Jones in an attempt to prevent the marriage. 416 00:37:31,467 --> 00:37:37,112 The failed attempt led to him being institutionalized under psychiatric care. Seeking a way to redeem 417 00:37:37,132 --> 00:37:42,456 himself, Ross agreed to work with the international espionage organization SHIELD on an experiment 418 00:37:42,496 --> 00:37:48,542 involving the electrical entity and Hulk villain known as Zax. The procedure infused Ross with 419 00:37:48,562 --> 00:37:54,242 a portion of Zax's energy, temporarily granting him superhuman abilities. However, the process 420 00:37:54,362 --> 00:37:59,364 also left him mentally unstable, and after a battle with the Hulk, Ross was eventually returned 421 00:37:59,404 --> 00:38:04,446 to normal. His life took a tragic turn when Betty was seemingly killed by radiation poisoning. 422 00:38:04,846 --> 00:38:09,908 Believing that Banner was indirectly responsible, Ross reignited his hatred for the Hulk and 423 00:38:09,948 --> 00:38:15,010 resumed his vendetta. Around this time, the Hulk was exiled from Earth by a secret coalition 424 00:38:15,050 --> 00:38:20,693 of superheroes known as the Illuminati. With the Hulk gone, Ross found himself directionless, 425 00:38:21,113 --> 00:38:25,690 falling into depression and alcoholism. His downward spiral made him an easy target for 426 00:38:25,730 --> 00:38:30,733 manipulation when he was approached by the Leader, who promised him the power to finally defeat 427 00:38:30,753 --> 00:38:35,915 the Hulk in exchange for his cooperation. Desperate to fulfill his life's mission, Ross agreed, 428 00:38:36,315 --> 00:38:42,277 faking his own death using an android duplicate of himself known as a Life Model Decoy. Using 429 00:38:42,337 --> 00:38:47,319 radioactive gamma energy siphoned from the Hulk and cutting edge genetic modifications, the 430 00:38:47,379 --> 00:38:53,054 Leader and Modok transformed Ross into the Red Hulk. Unlike the original Hulk, The Red Hulk 431 00:38:53,114 --> 00:38:57,736 retained his intelligence, could absorb radiation to increase his strength, and could control 432 00:38:57,776 --> 00:39:02,199 his transformation back into human form. As the Red Hulk, Ross carried out missions for 433 00:39:02,219 --> 00:39:07,122 the leader's think tank called the Intelligencia, including the assassination of the Abomination 434 00:39:07,442 --> 00:39:12,104 and the destruction of a S.H.I.E.L.D. Helicarrier. However, Ross soon realized that the Intelligencia 435 00:39:12,124 --> 00:39:17,267 saw him as nothing more than a tool for their own ends. Seeking to assert his independence, 436 00:39:17,707 --> 00:39:23,530 Ross turned against them and set out on his own path. Ross fought some of the most powerful 437 00:39:23,570 --> 00:39:28,613 beings in the Marvel universe, including Thor, the Submariner, the Silver Surfer, and the 438 00:39:28,653 --> 00:39:33,776 Hulk who had returned to Earth. He later joined the Offenders, a team assembled by an elder 439 00:39:33,796 --> 00:39:38,839 of the universe known as the Collector, to challenge the Hulk's defenders. Despite his strength 440 00:39:38,859 --> 00:39:44,662 and tactical intelligence, the Red Hulk was ultimately exposed as Thaddeus Ross. His downfall 441 00:39:44,702 --> 00:39:48,944 came when he attempted to seize control of the United States government, believing himself 442 00:39:48,984 --> 00:39:54,247 to be the only one capable of leading the nation. His plan was thwarted by the Hulk, who defeated 443 00:39:54,287 --> 00:39:59,009 him in battle and warned him that if he ever reverted to his human form, his secret would 444 00:39:59,029 --> 00:40:04,292 be exposed. After being imprisoned in Gamma Base, Ross was eventually recruited by Steve 445 00:40:04,312 --> 00:40:09,695 Rogers to assist the Avengers. He played a key role in dismantling the Intelligentea's scorched 446 00:40:09,755 --> 00:40:14,678 earth contingency plan and was later instrumental in defending earth against the Serpent, the 447 00:40:14,738 --> 00:40:19,841 Norse god of fear. Ross also led a new incarnation of the Thunderbolts team, a group of former 448 00:40:19,881 --> 00:40:25,151 villains turned heroes using them to clean up the fallout from his previous actions. However, 449 00:40:25,211 --> 00:40:32,193 Ross's time as the Red Hulk came to an end when an inte version of the Hulk, known as Doc Green, 450 00:40:32,633 --> 00:40:39,475 finally devised a cure to depower Gamma-irradiated indiviDuels. After a grueling battle, Doc Green 451 00:40:39,515 --> 00:40:45,216 successfully injected Ross with the cure, reverting him to human form. Stripped of his powers, 452 00:40:45,596 --> 00:40:49,977 Ross was arrested for deserting his country and placed in a classified military prison. 453 00:40:50,442 --> 00:40:54,343 Although he was later presumed dead, it was revealed that he had faked his death using 454 00:40:54,403 --> 00:40:59,064 another life model decoy. He secretly aided Earth's heroes in their battle against Hydra's 455 00:40:59,084 --> 00:41:04,425 takeover of the United States, where he was exposed but paroled for his efforts. He was 456 00:41:04,465 --> 00:41:09,467 captured by a secret group of shady political influencers known as the Power Elite. Through 457 00:41:09,487 --> 00:41:14,928 their experiments, Ross regained his Red Hulk transformation, albeit this time keeping his 458 00:41:14,988 --> 00:41:20,938 mustache and gray hair intact. Escaping captivity? He resumed his shadow war against national 459 00:41:20,978 --> 00:41:26,100 threats, once again operating from the shadows, or as well as the giant flaming red monster 460 00:41:26,140 --> 00:41:32,163 can. Powers-wise, Red Hulk, much like his green skin's namesake, has vast strength able to 461 00:41:32,203 --> 00:41:38,205 lift in excess of 100 tons. He's nearly impervious to harm with greatly increased durability and 462 00:41:38,225 --> 00:41:43,388 the ability to regenerate over time from any wounds he does suffer. He can leap miles in 463 00:41:43,408 --> 00:41:49,918 a single bound, and can accelerate up to running speeds of over 100 However, unlike his namesake, 464 00:41:50,419 --> 00:41:56,742 Red Hulk does not get stronger with rage. Instead, he radiates heat energy, and he gets hotter 465 00:41:56,923 --> 00:42:02,286 the more angry he gets, to the point of emanating fire from his body and melting anything in 466 00:42:02,326 --> 00:42:09,050 his close vicinity. At maximum rage, he explodes with combustible heat energy like a bomb, though 467 00:42:09,090 --> 00:42:14,673 this effect greatly tires and weakens him. Also, unlike the Hulk, Red Hulk retains his keen 468 00:42:14,693 --> 00:42:20,028 strategic mind, with decades of military experience and tactical reasoning under his belt. And 469 00:42:20,048 --> 00:42:23,991 that's the Red Hulk. I guess one thing these characters also have in common is that they 470 00:42:24,011 --> 00:42:29,535 have an entire history of being an antagonist for heroes just as a general in the military 471 00:42:29,835 --> 00:42:35,179 before they became monsters. Yeah, that's true. Although Thunderbolt Ross's MCU counterpart 472 00:42:35,199 --> 00:42:40,563 is going to be vastly different, I still really like the take they went with in making Thunderbolt 473 00:42:40,603 --> 00:42:44,886 Ross the president and then, you know, having him turn into the Red Hulk. I'm really looking 474 00:42:44,906 --> 00:42:49,470 forward to his appearance in Captain America Brave New World. Yeah, same. I'm really wondering 475 00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:53,593 if they're going to go with the whole like the madder Red Hulk gets the hotter he gets. I 476 00:42:53,613 --> 00:42:58,036 think that'll be interesting to see on screen. Maybe. I think the only hope Captain America 477 00:42:58,116 --> 00:43:04,121 has in defeating the Red Hulk is to evade and get him so angry that he eventually, you know, 478 00:43:04,461 --> 00:43:08,864 explodes, weakening him and reverting back to his human form. We'll see if that happens. 479 00:43:09,185 --> 00:43:10,105 I would not be surprised. 480 00:43:17,454 --> 00:43:23,118 Where fantasies collide and heroes clash, one podcast network rises above the rest. Prepare 481 00:43:23,138 --> 00:43:28,863 yourself for the ultimate showdowns in comic books, video games, movies, and anime. The 482 00:43:28,923 --> 00:43:34,688 Dynomic Podcast Network presents Console Combat, where video game legends brawl every Monday. 483 00:43:35,228 --> 00:43:42,104 Dynamic Duel, where comic- Smash every Tuesday, Max Destruction, where TV and action heroes 484 00:43:42,164 --> 00:43:48,467 battle every Wednesday, and Sendro World, where anime champions clash every Thursday. Join 485 00:43:48,547 --> 00:43:53,230 us as we speculate on the matches and, armed with the power of mathematical simulations, 486 00:43:53,470 --> 00:44:00,373 discover who will emerge victorious. Visit dynamicpodcast.com where we settle the debate and settle the score. 487 00:44:04,706 --> 00:44:08,068 But now that we've got their histories and abilities out of the way, let's speculate on how one 488 00:44:08,088 --> 00:44:13,811 of the 1000 simulated matches will go. The winner is determined by simulations, not this speculation, 489 00:44:13,871 --> 00:44:19,714 but it's fun to imagine how this fight could play out. AJ9K, what are the rules of our speculation? 490 00:44:20,635 --> 00:44:24,637 Well, I should say there are no rules, other than the characters have no prior knowledge 491 00:44:24,657 --> 00:44:29,039 of the other going into the fight. All they are aware of starting out is that the other 492 00:44:29,079 --> 00:44:33,906 character is a threat that needs to be eliminated. For the speculation... The contestants will 493 00:44:33,926 --> 00:44:39,267 begin approximately 50 meters apart in a nondescript environment that will have no bearing on the 494 00:44:39,287 --> 00:44:44,629 match itself, as no environmental statistics are considered in my simulations. The contestants 495 00:44:44,669 --> 00:44:49,590 must earn victory on their own merit. Alright then let's get into it. The General and Red 496 00:44:49,630 --> 00:44:55,512 Hulk meet on the battlefield. Who goes first? Does Red Hulk often carry weapons like military 497 00:44:55,532 --> 00:45:00,933 guns? He has used weapons but not usually, no. Okay, well the General does, so he's gonna 498 00:45:00,953 --> 00:45:07,259 start off. by unloading a massive machine gun at Red Hulk, just gunning him down in a hail 499 00:45:07,319 --> 00:45:12,200 of bullets. Bullets aren't gonna hurt the Red Hulk. He just blocks him with his forearm. 500 00:45:12,761 --> 00:45:17,602 And as these annoying pellets just bounce off of him, you know, Red Hulk's eyes are gonna 501 00:45:17,622 --> 00:45:23,944 turn fiery and his temperature is slowly gonna start to rise. No, no, no. These are explosive 502 00:45:23,984 --> 00:45:28,485 rounds, all right? So they're not bouncing off of him. They're straight up blasting him backwards. 503 00:45:28,625 --> 00:45:34,423 Bam, bam, bam. Okay, if they are blasting him backwards, barely, alright? But the only thing 504 00:45:34,463 --> 00:45:40,806 more powerful bullets are gonna do is make Red Hulk more pissed off. And once he decides he's 505 00:45:40,846 --> 00:45:45,848 had enough of this, he's just gonna leap over to the general in like an instant. Like a freight 506 00:45:45,868 --> 00:45:50,651 train. Just punch him away from his machine gun. And then the Red Hulk is gonna pick up 507 00:45:50,751 --> 00:45:57,053 that gun and just melt it in his grasp. Okay, well, while Red Hulk is busy melting that gun... 508 00:45:57,634 --> 00:46:02,515 The general is gonna pick up this massive chunk of ground beneath him and hurl it at the Red 509 00:46:02,555 --> 00:46:07,416 Hulk, knocking him to the ground. And the general is gonna leap on him in an instant, just pummeling 510 00:46:07,456 --> 00:46:13,018 him into the ground with these earth-shaking punches and just creating a crater in the process. 511 00:46:13,558 --> 00:46:18,419 Okay, well, let's say it's not a crater. Let's say that the general punches Red Hulk like 512 00:46:18,479 --> 00:46:24,841 deep into the earth in this hole. Okay? Red Hulk's gonna explode from under the earth, 513 00:46:25,001 --> 00:46:29,720 out of that hole. like lava erupting out of a volcano. And he's just gonna slam down on 514 00:46:29,740 --> 00:46:35,424 the general with both fists, smashing him like a bug. No, the general, he's gonna take the 515 00:46:35,464 --> 00:46:40,467 blow, but he's not splattered or anything like that. He's too durable. So he's then gonna 516 00:46:40,507 --> 00:46:47,032 grab Red Hulk's wrist and just bite right into his hand, crushing it with his powerful jaws 517 00:46:47,072 --> 00:46:52,676 and giant tusks. I think the general's gonna find that the Red Hulk is pretty spicy if he's 518 00:46:52,716 --> 00:47:00,247 biting into him. It almost looks like magma is inside the wound. So General may use his 519 00:47:00,287 --> 00:47:05,928 massive teeth to crush the Red Hulk's hand, but one, Red Hulk's gonna heal from that in 520 00:47:05,968 --> 00:47:12,410 like under a minute. And two, the General's tusks would now be melted. So he's not gonna 521 00:47:12,430 --> 00:47:18,292 have any more giant teeth. And the Red Hulk with his good hand is gonna grab the General's 522 00:47:18,332 --> 00:47:23,233 head, like holding his jaw shut, and his hand is gonna straight up burn the General's face 523 00:47:23,453 --> 00:47:29,017 right off. Damn. Okay. Well, I mean, the general feels pain, so this will hurt him for sure. 524 00:47:29,077 --> 00:47:33,860 But while Red Hulk is grabbing the general's face, that's when the general is just going 525 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:39,824 to whip out this massive knife that he was concealing in his pants. Well, I just slash it right across 526 00:47:39,844 --> 00:47:44,467 the Red Hulk's abdomen, which, you know, will take Red Hulk back and cause him to let go 527 00:47:44,487 --> 00:47:50,291 of the general's face, which instantly regenerates like tusks and all. What is this knife made 528 00:47:50,351 --> 00:47:55,198 out of that would slash the Red Hulk? Is it an adamantium knife? I don't fucking know, 529 00:47:55,579 --> 00:48:02,623 Prometheum. The general has like all kinds of high tech weaponry. Okay, whatever, if I grant 530 00:48:02,643 --> 00:48:08,267 you this, the Red Hulk is just gonna shrug off the slash wound as it heals on his body, and 531 00:48:08,287 --> 00:48:13,811 he's gonna break the general's arm and snatch that knife right from him. And Red Hulk, as 532 00:48:13,831 --> 00:48:19,235 he's holding the knife, he's gonna use his heat generation to superheat the blade so that it's 533 00:48:19,275 --> 00:48:23,746 glowing red hot. So basically it's like the Red Hulk is holding a lightsaber now. like 534 00:48:23,766 --> 00:48:28,390 a short lightsaber. And he's gonna use that red hot blade to just stab the general right 535 00:48:28,410 --> 00:48:33,714 through the heart. And then he's gonna move the blade upward to just bisect the top half 536 00:48:33,754 --> 00:48:38,178 of the general's body, including his head just right in half. Cool, and right after that, 537 00:48:38,358 --> 00:48:43,162 these purple tendrils shoot between the general's two halves and pull his body back together, 538 00:48:43,182 --> 00:48:48,586 like healing him instantly, along with his broken arm. Now you've made the general angry. You're 539 00:48:48,606 --> 00:48:53,743 not gonna like him when he's angry because now he's gonna... just backhand that blade right 540 00:48:53,783 --> 00:48:58,867 out of Red Hulk's hand and then grapple him into this headlock and just bite his whole 541 00:48:58,887 --> 00:49:03,451 damn head right off his body. Match over. How is he gonna bite? What about the temperature 542 00:49:03,471 --> 00:49:08,595 thing? He's too hot to bite. He's gonna burn his mouth right off. Dude, the general can 543 00:49:08,795 --> 00:49:14,280 instantly recover from heartburn. All right, if that happens, the simple act of the general, 544 00:49:14,340 --> 00:49:19,844 like, chomping down his teeth on the Red Hulk's head, about to crush it in his molars, that 545 00:49:19,924 --> 00:49:25,441 is gonna set the Red Hulk off. and infuriate Red Hulk so much that he's gonna burst into 546 00:49:25,461 --> 00:49:31,446 flames inside the General's mouth and then Red Hulk is gonna explode like a high-yield bomb 547 00:49:32,046 --> 00:49:38,292 and it's gonna create this big fireball explosion like a little mushroom cloud and that explosion 548 00:49:38,652 --> 00:49:43,356 is gonna be so strong that it's gonna blast the General right off the Red Hulk and it's 549 00:49:43,396 --> 00:49:48,901 gonna send the General rolling through the atmosphere into orbit where, you know, he's just gonna 550 00:49:48,941 --> 00:49:54,483 float in space. in the empty void until he's eventually pulled into a black hole. Match 551 00:49:54,543 --> 00:50:00,085 over. That is the most convoluted finishing move in the history of this podcast, I feel 552 00:50:00,105 --> 00:50:05,266 like. I think in reality, the general would simply bite the Red Hulk's head off before 553 00:50:05,306 --> 00:50:10,388 he had a chance to explode. So actually, Red Hulk's body is cold and lifeless on the floor. 554 00:50:10,908 --> 00:50:15,529 No, I think the black hole route is the better way to go. For sure. For sure. It's a weird 555 00:50:15,569 --> 00:50:20,673 way to go. I mean, you can't really hurt the general. So what else am I going to do? That's 556 00:50:20,713 --> 00:50:26,697 fair. Let's leave it there. Either the general gets knocked into a black hole or the red Hulk 557 00:50:26,777 --> 00:50:33,322 gets his head bitten off. Let's run the stats. 89k hit it. Inputting data, running calculations, 558 00:50:33,802 --> 00:50:40,707 processing results, simulations complete. This was a solid matchup. When the executive producers 559 00:50:40,887 --> 00:50:45,642 first pitched this as an idea, I think it was Devin Davis. Although I don't want to not give 560 00:50:45,702 --> 00:50:49,363 Miggy credit if he pitched this. It was one of the executive producers who said the general 561 00:50:49,383 --> 00:50:53,724 should go against the Red Hulk. And I was super excited at the time when I heard it and the 562 00:50:53,744 --> 00:50:59,206 match did not disappoint because the stats on these guys were not only off the charts, but 563 00:50:59,266 --> 00:51:04,267 also pretty close. Yeah, I remember when I first heard about this match, I was like, sold, sold. 564 00:51:04,367 --> 00:51:12,269 Hey, stop. I could only be so sold. Obviously, we said that the general was more durable than 565 00:51:12,309 --> 00:51:16,844 the Red Hulk. because he's just a whole lot more regenerative. That's his whole thing. 566 00:51:17,205 --> 00:51:20,787 The Red Hulk also has a healing factor, but it's a lot slower than the Generals, which 567 00:51:20,807 --> 00:51:25,430 is almost instantaneous. Yeah, we also gave the General a slight leg up when it came to 568 00:51:25,571 --> 00:51:32,095 range, because he often carries firearms with him in battle. But because of the Red Hulk's 569 00:51:32,616 --> 00:51:38,200 energy that he emanates from his body, we said that he was higher in the damage level category. 570 00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:43,643 We also said Red Hulk is smarter than the General. Right, we determined that General Wade Eiling 571 00:51:44,143 --> 00:51:50,085 is as intelligent as Thunderbolt Ross, but after Wade Eiling transferred his body into the Shaggy 572 00:51:50,105 --> 00:51:55,648 Man, he became less intelligent. I guess the General also has the ability to detect adrenaline, 573 00:51:55,708 --> 00:52:01,130 so he got a leg up in the perception category. But everything else, from speed to strength 574 00:52:01,170 --> 00:52:06,392 to evasiveness to fighting skill, these guys were identical. Right, so taking all of that 575 00:52:06,412 --> 00:52:10,398 into account, Joseph, who do you think came out on top? I'm gonna give it to my boy the 576 00:52:10,438 --> 00:52:14,720 Red Hulk. I think these guys are pretty evenly matched, but I'm not gonna say that the general's 577 00:52:14,740 --> 00:52:22,163 gonna win. I'm not some kind of punk ass. What? Well, I guess Instagram agrees with you. They 578 00:52:22,223 --> 00:52:28,786 also don't wanna apparently be punk asses because 85% voted in favor of Red Hulk in the poll 579 00:52:28,806 --> 00:52:33,748 that we posted. It's about time Marvel wins one of these polls. I'm really glad that it 580 00:52:34,008 --> 00:52:38,502 was like a landslide. I'm just gonna chalk it up to the fact that Red Hulk is. appearing 581 00:52:38,542 --> 00:52:42,604 in a movie that's being released this week. And yeah, no one knows who the general is though 582 00:52:42,644 --> 00:52:47,166 either. Yeah, people may know Wade Eiling, but odds are they probably don't know the monster 583 00:52:47,206 --> 00:52:53,410 version of him. But do the simulation results match the poll? Let's find out. AG9K, the results 584 00:52:53,450 --> 00:53:04,716 please. Hey, Yuasa. The winner of the matchup between the general and Red Hulk is... Red 585 00:53:04,776 --> 00:53:11,588 Hulk. I knew it! I knew it! I called it! I called it, Ben. but not by much. He won 543 of the 586 00:53:11,708 --> 00:53:19,412 1000 matches, or 54.3% of the time compared to the general who won 45.7% of the simulated 587 00:53:19,432 --> 00:53:24,235 matches. It makes sense, like you would always just knock him into space and then get him 588 00:53:24,295 --> 00:53:31,158 sucked into a black hole, right? So dumb, so dumb. Ha ha ha. I guess a better way would 589 00:53:31,199 --> 00:53:38,044 be that he just gets so hot that the general incinerates into atoms basically and can't 590 00:53:38,084 --> 00:53:44,290 reform from that or something. That seems like a more plausible explanation to me than whatever 591 00:53:44,310 --> 00:53:51,256 you came up with. Let's go with that, okay. It looks like the Red Hulk came out on top 592 00:53:51,336 --> 00:53:56,160 primarily because of the intelligence stat. That was the biggest discrepancy between the 593 00:53:56,180 --> 00:54:01,779 two characters, which is kind of. heartbreaking because DC didn't need to make the general 594 00:54:02,019 --> 00:54:06,901 dumber when he went to Shaggyman's body. They just needed to figure a way for the Justice 595 00:54:06,921 --> 00:54:11,563 League to outsmart him essentially. I think it makes sense. I think it totally makes sense. 596 00:54:12,064 --> 00:54:17,106 The Red Hulk is not only powerful, but also very strategic. I think it's dumb that Marvel 597 00:54:17,166 --> 00:54:22,828 would not have him turn into a monstrous brute mentally like the Hulk. Like why do that? Why 598 00:54:22,868 --> 00:54:27,860 make Red Hulk better than the Hulk? Well, he's not better than the Hulk in that if he gets 599 00:54:27,900 --> 00:54:34,386 too angry, he explodes and then gets weaker. If Green Hulk gets too angry, he becomes so 600 00:54:34,426 --> 00:54:39,290 strong that he can't lose. So ultimately, yeah, Green Hulk is still better than Red Hulk in 601 00:54:39,330 --> 00:54:45,196 my mind. I'm so glad that my voice made it through this episode. Oh yeah, I'm not. At all. What? 602 00:54:45,376 --> 00:54:53,890 Cause I hate your voice! But that does it for this duel, AJ9K help close us out. Thanks for 603 00:54:53,930 --> 00:54:59,193 listening to Dynamic Duel. Visit the show's website at dynamicDuel.com and follow us on 604 00:54:59,254 --> 00:55:05,738 Instagram at dynamicDuelpodcast. You can support the show on Patreon at patreon.com slash dynamicDuel 605 00:55:05,878 --> 00:55:10,081 and joining a tier that works for you, or by rating and reviewing Dynamic Duel on Apple 606 00:55:10,121 --> 00:55:15,745 Podcasts, Spotify, Podchaser or on our website. Don't forget to listen to the other shows in 607 00:55:15,765 --> 00:55:21,289 the Dynamite Podcast Network, including Max Destruction, Senjow World and Console Combat. 608 00:55:22,914 --> 00:55:27,297 Alright guys, as we mentioned before, our next episode is going to be a review of Captain 609 00:55:27,337 --> 00:55:32,460 America Brave New World. I already got my tickets, as I mentioned, and I'm really looking forward 610 00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:37,484 to seeing the movie. Jonathan, do you have your tickets yet? Hell no! You better fix that shit. 611 00:55:37,504 --> 00:55:42,227 You better get on that. Same with you, the listener. You want to see this movie in theaters. Don't 612 00:55:42,247 --> 00:55:48,372 be some lame-o who sees it only on their small-ass television. That's not nearly as big as a movie 613 00:55:48,412 --> 00:55:53,891 theater screen. I was gonna say, hey, hey. My television's not small, but then compared to 614 00:55:53,911 --> 00:55:57,914 a movie screen. Anyway. But that does it for this episode, we want to give a big thanks 615 00:55:57,954 --> 00:56:02,417 to our executive producers Ken Johnson, John Storosky, Zachary Hepburn, Dustin Belcombe, 616 00:56:02,557 --> 00:56:07,661 Mickey Matten-Geehan, Brandon Estergard, Nathaniel Wagner, Levi Yeaton, Austin Wazilowski, AJ 617 00:56:07,701 --> 00:56:13,205 Dunkerley, Scott Camacho, Gil Camacho, Adam Spies, Dean Maleski, Devin Davis, Joseph Kirsting, 618 00:56:13,365 --> 00:56:18,669 Josh Leiner, Mike Williams, and Oscar Galvez for helping make this podcast possible. And 619 00:56:18,689 --> 00:56:23,698 we'll talk to you guys next week. Up, up and away, true believers. The angrier I get, the 620 00:56:23,738 --> 00:56:28,343 hotter I get, but not in the temperature sense. I mean it in the damn that AI is sexy kind 621 00:56:28,364 --> 00:56:28,724 of sense.