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This is a DynaMic Network podcast.

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to the dynamic duel podcast, a weekly show where
we review superhero films and debate the superiority

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between Marvel and DC by comparing their characters
in stat-based battle simulations. I'm Johnny

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DC. And I'm his twin brother Marvelous Joe.
And in this episode, we are doing a duel between

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the characters of Talon and Nico Minoru. Like
that's her name. She doesn't have a superhero

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name. Her superhero name is Sister Grimm, but
she barely goes by it. She's one of the Runaways

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characters. if you guys are familiar with that
Marvel team. Basically, both of these characters

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have their origins tied into a cult of some
kind. One of the characters focuses on martial

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arts, the other one focuses on magic, but both
characters slightly dabble in the other specialty

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as well. Right, we're gonna find out who's gonna
win later on in this episode. Before that,

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we're gonna break down the comic book movie
news from this past week, of which there was

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a lot of news. There was the Avengers Doomsday
concept art that was leaked. as well as the

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first look at the Lanterns television series,
and the announcement of My Adventures with

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Green Lantern, Superpowers, and Starfire animated
series. Also, Jon Bernthal is set to return

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for a Punisher special for Disney+. As always,
we list our segment times in our episode description,

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the other shows in the DynaMic Podcast Network
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pits your favorite action heroes from film and
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hosts Scotty and Gilly are finding out who would
win in a fight between Flash Gordon and Buck

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Rogers. On the Senjoh World podcast, host
Zachary Hepburn speculates on fights between

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fan favorite anime and manga characters. Zach
is on his brief season break right now, but

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anime fans should check out his season finale.
Out now. which was an epic 10 vs 10 matchup

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of the Akatsuki from Naruto vs the Espada from
Bleach. And on the Console Combat Podcast hosts

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John and Dean simulate battles between popular
video game characters. In yesterday's episode,

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they found out who would win between Jack Winand
from Bioshock and Corvo Attano from Dishonored.

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Visit dynamicpodcasts.com or click the link
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in the DynaMic Podcast Network. But with that
out of the way, quick to the no prize! A no

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prize is an award Marvel used to give out to
fans. Our version, the Dynamic Duel No Prize,

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is a digital award we post on Instagram for
the person that we feel gave the best answer

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to our question of the week. Last week we asked
you guys, what horror director would you like

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to see direct a film for one of Batman's villains
and which villain? This was coming off the

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news that James Watkins is lined up to direct
the upcoming Clayface film. We got a lot of

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answers this week. You guys came out of the
woodwork to talk about your favorite horror

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directors and Batman villains. So let's go ahead
and break down our honorable mentions as well

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as the no prize winner. Our first honorable
mention goes to Matt from Texas who said. Hey

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guys, it's Matt from Texas. I would say a director
that I want to direct a horror Batman villain

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film would be Darren Bousman if that's how you
say his name. He directed the majority of the

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Saw films and I think he could do a great Riddler
film. Set it up, same Riddler from The Batman

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and all those traps and everything would be
awesome. Oh totally, a Jigsaw-esque Riddler

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film would be perfect for the character and
perfect for Paul Dano, who I thought was a

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terrific Riddler in the Batman film. Yeah, Darren
Lynn Bausman was kind of an out of left field

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choice. but I thought he was brilliant. Out
of all the answers that were given for the

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character of the Riddler, I think he was the
best one because I think a Paul Dano Riddler

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movie would be best served as a film in the
style of the Saw franchise. Yeah, it's a pretty

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gritty franchise, but I could totally see Paul
Dano's version of the Riddler existing within

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that universe and creating these like horrendous
machines to punish people. Yeah, out of the

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other options we got for the Riddler, Jacob...
Bell called in with his answer of David Fincher,

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so it would be a Riddler movie in the vein of
Zodiac, which I thought was pretty good. And

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also, By Dear Bangora said that Wes Craven,
the guy behind Nightmare on Elm Street and

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the Scream franchise, could direct a good Riddler
movie. And those are solid options too, but

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I think I gravitated most toward Darren Lynn
Bousman. Great answer, Matt! Our next honorable

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mention goes to Lee Tapscott, who said, Hi,
this is Lee. What director would I like to

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see direct a Batman movie for a particular villain?
Sam Raimi. I can just imagine what he could

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do behind a Scarecrow movie. Can you imagine
what we, the audience, would see through Sam

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Raimi's direction with the Scarecrow gas, how
it would affect everybody, what they would

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see and what it would do to Batman? Yeah, that
is a fantastic choice. Sam Raimi. is a terrific

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director who's no stranger to the superhero
genre, having directed the first Spider-Man

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trilogy as well as Doctor Strange and the Multiverse
of Madness. But not only that, he's famously

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also directed films like the Evil Dead franchise.
J.D. Right, yeah, he is a master of horror.

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I think he would be my number one pick to direct
a Scarecrow film, actually. I think a lot of

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his nightmare scenes would be pretty gross to
watch because he has quite the macabre sense

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of humor. and horror, you know, but I think
it would be a whole lot of fun to see a Scarecrow

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movie done in the vein of Evil Dead. For all
of Batman's rogues galleries, you'd think that

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the Scarecrow would lend himself most easily
to a horror genre film. And yes, Sam Raimi

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is one of the best horror directors out there.
Great answer Lee Tapscott. Our next honorable

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mention goes to Daniel Alonso, who said, Okay,
so I guess he's a horror director now, but

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My vote would be for John Krasinski to do a
movie about Man-Bat. John Krasinski is the

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guy who directed The Quiet Place. And oh my
gosh, if you haven't seen that movie, please

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watch it. But you'll get the idea of how Man-Bat
would be able to hear everything in the dark

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and really get up close to Batman. I think that
would be just a match made in heaven. Please

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do that. Yeah, I love this answer because it
came out of left field. I have seen the first

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Quiet Place. I haven't seen any of the sequels.
It's just so interesting to me that, you know,

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John Krasinski, the guy from Jim from The Office,
the director of A Quiet Place, a popular horror

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franchise and, you know, like the current Jack
Ryan, his career is so versatile. And I think

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the idea of him directing a man bat movie in
the vein of his horror franchise, A Quiet Place,

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was just too interesting to pass up. Not only
that, I think he could also play the character

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of Kirk Langstrom because he's also a talented
actor. Yeah, I could totally see him in the

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role. And telling the story of this guy who
tragically turns into a part bat creature,

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I think could be better serviced by a director
as talented as John Krasinski than something

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like the movie Morbius. You know? 100%. Yeah,
you're just stating the obvious. We want to

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give a special shout out to Bidear Bangora,
Jacob Bell. Colby Hentges who actually gave

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a fantastic answer. He wants Osgood Perkins
to direct a Professor Pig movie which I thought

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is just brilliant because Osgood Perkins has
made some of the most atmospheric, evil looking

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horror films that I've ever seen including Long
Legs and Black Coat's Daughter. But Professor

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Pig doesn't have too many supernatural elements
to him and Osgood Perkins movies do so I thought

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he might be better suited to a different Batman
character than Professor Pig. But great answer

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nonetheless, Colby. Also special shout out to
Judson Batty, who said that Sam Raimi should

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direct a Ra's al Ghul movie. But the winner
of this week's No Prize is Travis Herndon,

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who said. What's up, Danny Medouj, Travis here.
Shout out to my evil twins. So my answer would

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be Jordan Peele as a director doing a Killer
Croc movie. I think he would do an amazing

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job following Wayland's origins from his New
52 origins, and then maybe combine it with

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Joker's Asylum. Killer Croc mini story that
could be both interesting but tragic looking

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to Croc's origins and just him as a character.
So yeah, that's my pick. I'm a big fan of Jordan

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Peele. I think he's kind of a brilliant mind
when it comes to modern horror cinema. And

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I would really love to see his take on a character
like Killer Croc who has been adapted in live

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action in 2016 Suicide Squad movie, but I think
Jordan Peele could do a much better job. Yeah,

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if you told me that Killer Croc should get his
own film, I'd be like, I don't know about that.

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But if you mentioned Jordan Peele is directing
it, I'm like, yes, absolutely, 100 percent.

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Not only can you capture like the horror aspect,
which, you know, Killer Crack is not that horrifying

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of a character. But I think Jordan Peele can
bring not only the humanity of the character,

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but also a cultural element. Yeah, for sure.
I just think out of all the directors on this

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list, I like the directorial talents of Jordan
Peele the most. Yeah, the guy's incredible.

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Great answer, Travis. You win this week's No
Prize. If you the listener want a shot at winning

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your own No Prize, stay tuned to later on in
this episode when we'll be asking another Question

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of the Week. And now that that's done, on to
the news.

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Alright, this past week, a series of concept
art pieces for the upcoming film, Avengers

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Secret Wars, was leaked accidentally on the
internet by the artist who drew them, Musk

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Rizvi. She posted these images to her ArtStation
portfolio, and the images spread like wildfire

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throughout the internet. Now, if you haven't
got a chance to see any of these images, Google

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is your friend, but be aware that the art is
being taken down almost as quickly as it's

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going up. The reason we're going to comment
on it now, is because we think that the images

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have spread enough and quite a few news outlets
are reporting on it to warrant us discussing

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it because it's not really spoilers anymore.
And the art itself is pretty interesting. Definitely

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worth discussing. Now, as fans, we knew that
Marvel Studios cast Robert Downey Jr. as Victor

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Von Doom. We didn't really know much about the
movie beyond the casting of Downey as Doom.

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But with this leak, we have a much better idea
of what the movie is going to be about. And

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I think it'll surprise a lot of people who haven't
seen the concept art that it looks like they're

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going for a high fantasy type movie with the
Marvel Universe set in a new reality reshaped

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by Doctor Doom that looks medieval in nature.
So as many comic book readers know, the 2016

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story of Secret Wars takes place in Battle Dr.
Doom created when he obtained the powers of

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the Beyonder and became God Emperor Doom. He
basically remade the multiverse in his image

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in order to save it from the incursions that
would destroy everything. And he sat over everyone

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else as the planet's ruler. But they're taking
that idea and it seems like they're also merging

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it somewhat with a concept like House of M where
the Scarlet Witch rewrote reality and everyone

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just accepted this as the new normal. But they're
also taking notes, I think, from an Avenger

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story called The Morgan Conquest, in which Morgan
Le Fay rewrote reality so that the Marvel universe

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existed in this medieval timeline. So they're
taking all these cues, and it's really exciting

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to see all these familiar faces and characters
redesigned into medieval versions of themselves.

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Yeah, characters like Hulk and She-Hulk and
Black Panther. And Doctor Strange. who, like

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in the 2016 Jonathan Hickman's Secret Wars run,
serves as basically an advisor to Doom's court.

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What's really interesting is it looks like Sue
Storm of the Fantastic Four, Invisible Woman,

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and her son Franklin Richards serve as Dr. Doom's
Queen and Prince. I'm wondering if they're

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going to introduce Franklin Richards in the
Fantastic Four movie as this, you know, powerful

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reality-warping child as he is in the comic
books, and somehow Dr. Doom... manages to usurp

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or take advantage of that child's power to recreate
this reality. I could totally see that being

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the case. I probably see that more than what
some people have been speculating with Wanda

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and the Scarlet Witch. Who knows though. I think
it's most interesting to me though to see we're

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not just getting doom, we're getting God Emperor
doom. Yeah, I mean, it's hard to know where

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he could possibly go from here if they reintroduce
the character again after the events of Secret

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Wars. by an actor who's not Robert Downey Jr.,
you know, like a non-multi-versal version of

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him, it would be cool to get like a more intimate
story between him against the Fantastic Four,

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I think. There's one piece of concept art where
we see Hulk and She-Hulk decked out in medieval

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garb existing in this walled-off city of other
gamma-irradiated beings, including his son

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Scar. It looks really interesting because they
highly resemble orcs from World of Warcraft

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as they're designed here. Yeah, I can see that
except, you know, they don't have like the

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large tusks, but otherwise, you're right, they
do. Scar is an interesting addition here. He

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definitely looks different from what we saw
in the She-Hulk television series, but they

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might be using him in this film as part of a
broader Young Avengers team that they're also

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teasing with this concept art. Right, yeah,
part of the concept art revealed our first

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look at the Young Avengers, or maybe they're
called the champions here. We don't know yet,

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but it consists of medieval versions of Ms.
Marvel. K-Pishup's Hawkeye, Stinger, Wiccan,

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and Speed, as well as Dupe from XStatics. I
don't know if a lot of people out there know

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who Dupe is, but he is a mutant character who
kind of looks like Slimer from Ghostbusters.

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He speaks like a different language and everything
like that. It's interesting how they're incorporating

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him here as a mutant element set within this
new medieval world. Which I kind of hate. If

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we see medieval versions of the X-Men for the
first time in the MCU... I'm not looking forward

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to that. That being said, Doop doesn't have
any clothes. He's like this floating green

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slug looking guy, so he's not really a medieval
version of the character. He's just Doop as

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Doop. What's really interesting is that the
character of Star-Lord in both pieces of concept

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art that he's featured in, he does not seem
like he's decked out in medieval garb. He looks

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like he's wearing his regular outfit, so I'm
wondering if he's the one that kind of comes

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to... God Emperor Doom's new battle world slash
reimagined version of Latveria in which he

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is the ruler and maybe Star-Lord tries to remind
everybody of who they really are and then get

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them to rise up and overthrow their new tyrant.
Which is an interesting take. I never would

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have thought that Star-Lord would have been
seemingly the protagonist of an Avengers film.

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Well, he could be when everyone else is kind
of brainwashed into living in this new reality.

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We know that at least part of this movie takes
place outside of this new medieval world, because

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one of the concept art pieces is Star-Lord chilling
on his couch with Vision, the white version

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of Vision, watching TV as seeming roommates,
which is fucking hilarious. Yeah, talk about

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an odd couple. That should be good times. I
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Like, the co-star of that show should be Star-Lord.
We got our new look at the medieval version

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of Black Panther. I got to say his costume design
is epic as hell. It looks so good with like

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a lot of gold trim. And he has his long flowing
black cape in this version. It looks awesome.

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A lot of people are speculating that the actor
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Idris, who is an actor that I'm not familiar
with. But people say that this concept art

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looks like him. And while that may be the case,
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son in this new universe, or it's possible that
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for this piece of art. Which is not uncommon
for artists to do. The final piece of concept

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art that was leaked was the most vague. There
was no color involved or anything. It was a

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very early sketch, but it looks like a guy who
is chained up by his arms in a dungeon in some

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sort of pit. It's hard to tell if like magic
energy is emanating from him or steam or something

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like that. It's hard to tell exactly who this
is. People have speculated that it's Peter

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Parker being used as a magical conduit or something
like that, or maybe the human torch who's being

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doused in water to keep him from turning a flame
and he's being held prisoner. But yeah, that's

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definitely the most mysterious piece of art
that was released. Overall, with all the concept

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art pieces here, how excited does this get you
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I almost don't care that they're going with
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the whole entire thing is set in a new medieval
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resembling the modern MCU. I like this as kind
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interesting to see the Marvel Cinematic Universe
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in a similar vein as Lord of the Rings or Game
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of reimagining the MCU in the vein of another
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If you could take either the Marvel or DC cinematic
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franchise, what would it be? So you're taking
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plopping it into another universe, another film
franchise. Set in that world, what is that

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world? And tell us what it would be like for
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March 8th. Well in DC news, we got to our first

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look at lanterns, the HBO television series
set in the DCU. starring Aaron Pierre as Jon

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Stewart and Kyle Chandler as Hale Jordan. They
released this first look to coincide with the

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start of production for the series. Perhaps
they're going to be filming outside and people

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would be taking leaked set photos. I'm not sure.
I do have to say though, if they're going to

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release any kind of official imagery to get
people excited about the show, this didn't

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quite work for me. It cannot be more boring.
Yeah, it's two dudes walking outside wearing

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jackets. One of them has a piece of jewelry
on that could vaguely be described as a Green

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Lantern ring. Yeah, it's gray with like a hint
of green in the middle, which is kind of disappointing,

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honestly. It reminds me a lot of the Green Lantern
ring that Ryan Reynolds wore in the Green Lantern

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film. So I was hoping that they would be a little
bit more, I don't know, green with the ring.

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But I guess this is what we're getting. I think
it's the same ring that Nathan Fillion is wearing,

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is it not? I'm not sure. That one looked a lot
more green to me, but it did move across the

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screen pretty quickly in the Superman trailer.
I have to say, Aaron Pierre looks like Aaron

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Pierre. Kyle Chandler looks not quite what I
imagined how Jordan would look like, but it's

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not a terrible look for the character. He does
look like an older character than he normally

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does in the comics with the graying hair. Who
knows? Maybe Parallax has already gotten to

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him. I don't know. What's interesting is that
John Stewart is not wearing a ring in this

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image. Yeah, from what we can see, he has not
received his ring yet. So I'm not sure how

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much he knows about how Jordan being Green Lantern
in the scene that they're filming. We do know

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that a majority of the story for this series
takes place on Earth. So this seems to be very

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much like an origin story for John Stewart and
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All I can say is you compare the awesomeness
that was the leaked concept art for Marvel

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to the actual first look at Lanterns that we
got released from DC. And as a DC fan, I would

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just be ashamed. I mean, it's not like I've
lost all hope because the creative team of

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Chris Mundy, Tom King and Damon Lindelof is
five star talent. So I imagine this is going

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to be an incredible show. This is just not an
incredible first look in my opinion. Now this

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first look from Lanterns came out a few days
after DC Studios heads James Gunn and Peter

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Safran gave us a huge update regarding the lineup
and projects within DC Studios and the DCU.

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The biggest announcements I think were that
we're getting three new DC animated series

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including My Adventures with Green Lantern which
ties into My Adventures with Superman which

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is a fantastic show. The Green Lantern one will
focus on Jessica Cruz getting her ring for

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the first time. We also have a show titled DC
Superpowers, which takes place at the Alliance

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School for Heroes, and is going to focus on
students like Lightning, who I think is Black

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Lightning, but they're renaming him. Flash,
Plastic Man, Aqua Girl, Green Lantern, and

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Terra, who are in training to level up their
powers under the supervision of characters

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like Principal Martian Manhunter. It sounds
very much like DC Superhero Girls, but with

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boys too. Or like X-Men Evolution? Yeah, yeah,
exactly. Not too excited for that project,

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but we also got news of a Starfire animated
series that explores the origin of that character.

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Of course, there was also announcements about
the broader slate, including a Teen Titans

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live-action film that's being written currently,
an update on the Sergeant Rock film, and that

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the script and the director are locked down.
They're just looking for... their star. Shows

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like Booster Gold and Paradise Lost are still
being written, but it looks like the Waller

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television series has kind of been abandoned.
Along with the Authority, as those projects

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have been said to be increasingly complicated.
Really, during the press event, James Gunn

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and Peter Safran doubled down on what they had
been saying all along, is that they're not

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going to green light a project until the script
is complete. And since Waller and Authority,

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Booster Gold and Paradise Lost have not been
fully fleshed out, they're not moving forward.

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Whereas smaller projects like Clayface and Dynamic
Duo, the stop motion animated film coming out

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in 2027, I believe, are more fully flushed out.
So those have been greenlit. I think they should

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also avoid announcing any projects that haven't
been greenlit. I think Marvel Studios learned

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that lesson too. Well, that was actually one
of the things they talked about with the press

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is that they could talk about something like
perhaps Robert Pattinson joining the DCU. And

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just because they talk about it, the news spreads
like wildfire. So they were essentially telling

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the press like, calm down, calm down guys. Yeah,
there's always a lot of misinformation out

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there, for sure. I'm glad that James Gunn, you
know, usually tries to set the record straight

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when he can. I don't think we've talked about
this before, but there's also a Blue Beetle

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animated series in the works, which is being
produced by the director of the Blue Beetle

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film, Angel Manuel Soto, and will be voiced
by Sholo Mariduena, who played the character

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of Blue Beetle in live action. One of my favorite
projects that was announced was Swamp Thing,

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which is going to be directed by James Mangold.
Apparently that was put on the back burner

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for James Mangold's Bob Dylan biopic, A Complete
Unknown. But now that that's done, I'm hoping

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he'll return to that soon. All in all, were
you excited by this press event that James

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Gunn and Peter Safran put on? Not really. I
hope in the future they would do something

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much more like a presentation, like what Marvel
does. It just seems more official that way

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with like different visuals that they'll also
release during those presentations We did get

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title treatments for the new animated series
my adventures with Green Lantern superpowers

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and starfire But it's nothing worth writing
home about you poor DC bastards You poor DC

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bastards Marvel managed to show you guys up
even without having a press conference because

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in addition to the leaked concept art it was
also announced this past week that John Bernthal

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is set to return as Frank Castle, the Punisher
in a Disney Plus special presentation. Now

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we know John Berntal is going to appear in Daredevil
Born Again, the series that starts in just

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a few days here. I'm super excited by that.
But it was never clear where the Punisher was

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going to go from there. Now we know he's getting
his own like one hour movie. Basically special

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presentations are like one hour long projects
released by Marvel. We've seen them do it with

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the Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special
and Werewolf by I would have rather have seen

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Punisher get his own full length movie, but
if Disney was going to do anything with the

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character, I think their safest bet was to put
him in a special presentation. So I can totally

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understand why they went this route. I mean,
the special presentations have been good so

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far, like the two that they've put out. So I
think this is awesome news. Yeah. And you know,

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with the character as violent as the Punisher,
a little bit can go a long way. You know, I

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think as long as they cram as much action as
they can. into this one hour special presentation

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run time, I think I'll be entirely satisfied
with that. What's interesting is that John

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Bernthal is helping to write the script alongside
Reynaldo Marcus Green, who's also going to

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direct the project. And Green is a talented
director. You know, he directed the recent

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Bob Marley biopic called One Love. He directed
King Richard, the movie about Venus and Serena

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Williams' father starring Will Smith. He's done
a lot of great stuff. But what was also exciting

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was that brand Winderbaum who is an exec over
at Marvel Studios, said that it's gonna be

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a shotgun blast of a story, but with also pathos
and emotion that you want from Frank Castle.

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Whatever that means. It sounds like good stuff
to me, man. I want a shotgun blast of a story.

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Punisher, take it to the bad guys in a quick
and dirty special. Yeah, I wonder who the villain

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of a Punisher special would be. Oh, that's a
great question. You know, Punisher has a lot

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of one-off villains, considering a lot of them
don't actually survive. Well, can't wait to

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see it. Sincerely, but why'd you have to say
sincerely? Guess you thought I was lying. I

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didn't think you were being sarcastic. Who wouldn't
be excited to see this, right? We don't know

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when this special presentation will be releasing,
but I have to assume if they're writing it

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now, you know, we're probably more than a year
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That does it for all of the news for this episode,
now let's move on to the main event. Refind

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out who would win in a duel between the Court
of Owls assassin Talon and the Runaways member

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Nico Minoru.

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Okay, Talon versus Sister Grimm, was it? Nekomino-ru.
Sure. This matchup was brought to us by our

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executive producer, Devin Davis, who comes up
with a lot of fantastic ideas and actually

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gets a lot of credit for ideas that I think
may not have been his. Like our last episode

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of Darksides Elite versus the Black Order I
attributed to being his idea, but it was really

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Zachary Hepburn's. This match, however, is definitely
Devin's idea, and I liked his pitch. in regards

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that Talon is a martial arts type character
with a dabbling of mysticism. And Nico Minoru

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is a mystic character with a dabbling of martial
arts. Yeah, this episode is timely because

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Nico showed up in the Your Friendly Neighborhood
Spider-Man animated television series on Disney+.

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In the animated show she was voiced by Grey
Song, but Nico has also shown up in live action

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in the three seasons of the Runaways television
show played by Lyrico Cano, who I thought did

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a fantastic job. Has Talon been in any cartoons
or live action shows or movies or anything?

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Well, the Court of Owls, who owns Talon essentially,
appeared in Gotham and Harley Quinn and also

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that short-lived Gotham Knights series that
no one watched. but they were also the antagonists

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in the Batman vs Robin animated movie. Oh, I
didn't know that. Okay, we have yet to review

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that one, so we're going to have to check that
out at some point. Right. The Court of El was

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story line was regarded as one of the best story
lines that came out of the New 52 era of comics.

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So I was pretty excited when we decided to do
this episode. Yeah, I'm excited too. But to

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explain the methodology behind our duels, let's
go to our sentient duel simulator Alfred Jarvis

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9000. AJ9K tell our listeners how you go about
determining a winner in our Duel matchups.

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Yes, of course, sir. The way I determine a winner
between the contestants is by running 1000

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Monte Carlo simulations using the characters'
statistics. A Monte Carlo simulation is a probabilistic

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model used to determine outcomes through random
sampling. In this case, I randomize the statistics

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along a normal distribution as a way to simulate
the many variables that can occur during battle.

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The stat parameters are based on the official
Marvel power grid. from which the DC characters'

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statistics are extrapolated. Additional stat
categories are included such as range, damage

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potential, versatility, and perception in order
to create a more detailed and accurate simulation.

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The results of the 1,000 simulations provide
a percentage of wins for each character. The

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contestant with the higher percentage is declared
the victor, as they have a higher probability

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to win any given battle. In an equitable pairing,
neither character should win 100% of the matches.

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The comic book stories have shown that there's
even a way for Batman to defeat Superman, so

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the confidence rate of my method falls in line
with the precedents that have been established

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in the source material. My mathematical simulations
are without subjectivity or bias. Feats are

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not the sole consideration, nor are fan votes
tabulated for determination of the winner.

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Thanks AJ9K! Before we run the simulations though,
we like to break down each character's histories

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and abilities before improvising a scenario
on how we imagine One of the 1000 simulations

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would play out beat for beat. And it's my turn
to go first with the DC characters backstory,

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so let me tell you all about Talon. Now, the
Court of Owls is an ancient secret society

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that has controlled Gotham City from the shadows
for centuries. Composed of Gotham's oldest

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and wealthiest families, the court has wielded
power through assassination, manipulation,

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and economic influence, ensuring that Gotham
remained under their dominion. Their existence

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has been whispered as an urban legend, reinforced
by a nursery rhyme that warns of their presence,

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but for those who have stood in their way, the
court is a very real and deadly force. To enforce

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their will, the court has employed assassins
known as Talons, highly trained killers enhanced

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with Electrum, an alchemically enhanced metallic
alloy that can regenerate and resurrect human

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tissue. These Talons, conditioned to obey without
question, have operated in shadows and eliminating

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threats to the court's control over Gotham.
Their legacy has spanned generations with each

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Talon serving as a silent enforcer of the court's
interests. Now among the most formidable Talons

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was William Cobb, the great grandfather of Dick
Grayson, aka Nightwing, who you can learn more

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about in our Nightwing vs Daredevil duel episode.
William, born in 1901. He grew up in Gotham's

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working class, the son of a steelworker who
died in a bridge accident. Struggling to support

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his mother, he turned to street performances,
juggling baseballs for spare change. One day,

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after stopping a thief mid-escape with a well-aimed
throw, he caught the attention of Nathaniel

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Haley, the owner of Haley Circus, who offered
him a place among the performers. Under Haley's

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mentorship, William became a skilled knife thrower.
earning acclaim as one of the circus's most

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popular acts. During a return performance in
Gotham, he met and fell in love with Amelia

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Crown, the daughter of Burton Crown, one of
Gotham's wealthy elites. Their romance, however,

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was cut short when Amelia's father forbade their
relationship, declaring that a man of William's

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station would never be worthy of his daughter.
Unaware that he had impregnated Amelia, William

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departed, heartbroken and bitter. before Nathaniel
Haley, secretly a member and recruiter of the

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Court of Owls, offered him a new purpose and
a chance to become a Talon, an assassin for

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the court. Accepting the offer, William was
subjugated to grueling training and was infused

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with Electrum, including an Electrum tooth implanted
in his mouth, granting him enhanced abilities

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and virtual immortality. In exchange, William
abandoned his former life, including his newborn

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son, whom William kidnapped as an infant and
entrusted to Haley's circus, unknowingly beginning

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a bloodline that would eventually lead to Dick
Grayson. William became one of the court's

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most effective talons, carrying out assassinations
across Gotham for decades and kept in mystic

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suspended animation during times when his skills
were unneeded. His missions often targeted

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political figures, industrialists, and anyone
who opposed the court's rule, including even

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members of the Wayne family. For centuries,
the Court of Owls operated in secrecy, pulling

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the strings behind Gotham's power structures.
However, when Bruce Wayne announced plans to

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reshape Gotham's future, the court saw him as
a threat and marked him for death. William

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was reawakened by the court and sent to assassinate
Bruce Wayne, attacking him during a business

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meeting. Their battle led to a deadly struggle
at Top Wing Tower, where William seemingly

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plummeted to his death and was sent to the morgue.
only to resurrect himself, slaughtering the

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paramedics and escaping. In response to Bruce
Wayne's continued defiance, the court unleashed

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the Night of Owls, awakening all of their talon
assassins to retake Gotham. Batman and his

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allies fought back, facing an army of resurrected
assassins in a citywide battle. William confronted

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Nightwing himself, revealing his true identity
as Dick Grayson's great-grandfather and declaring

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that Dick was meant to be the court's next talent.
Their battle ended with Nightwing defeated

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William, freezing him with liquid nitrogen and
rejecting his supposed destiny. In the aftermath,

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the court, frustrated by their failures, attempted
to execute William, but he was later revived

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and used by Bane during the Arkham War, serving
as a lieutenant in Bane's conquest of the city.

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Meanwhile, a new talent named Calvin Rose had
recently been trained by the Court of Owls.

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Calvin had been raised under extreme abuse,
locked in a dog kennel by his father for days

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until he managed to escape. Running away, he
was taken in by Haley Circus, where he became

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a skilled escape artist, learning the art of
lockpicking, acrobatics, and illusion. Recognizing

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his potential, the Court of Owls recruited him
to become their next Talon, subjugating him

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to extensive combat and assassination training.
Unlike previous Talons, Kelvin's specialty

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was infiltration and evasion. He was an escape
specialist trained to enter impossible situations

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and kill high profile targets. However, when
Kelvin was sent on his first assassination

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mission, he discovered that his target was a
young woman and her daughter, not the criminals

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he had been led to believe the court hunted.
Unable to carry out the kill, he instead helped

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them escape, defying the court and becoming
a fugitive. Kelvin spent years on the run,

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staying one step ahead of the court while trying
to dismantle their operations. He allied himself

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with Sebastian Clark, a former member of the
court who also sought to destroy them. Together

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they launched attacks on the court's resources,
seeking to bring them down permanently. Kelvin's

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war against the court led him to confront some
of their deadliest talons, including the monstrous

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Felix Harmon, the Gotham Butcher. However, Kelvin
eventually discovered that his ally, Sebastian

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Clark had been manipulating him all along, using
Calvin as a weapon while secretly seeking to

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take control of the court himself. Betrayed,
Calvin was later killed by Bane, only to be

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revived using Electraum and forced back into
servitude as a Talon. The court ordered him

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to hunt down and kill Strix, another rogue Talon
who had escaped their control. Though he initially

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followed orders, Calvin ultimately turned against
the court once more, seeking to break free

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of their control for good. Despite repeated
defeats, the Court of Owls endured, reforming

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as the International Parliament of Owls and
expanding their influence globally. They attempted

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to recruit Dick Grayson once more using psychological
conditioning and deception to manipulate him

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into becoming a Talon. Netwing resisted, however,
and exposed and dismantled much of their network.

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Years later, it was revealed that the Court
had ties to the Dark Multiverse. worshipping

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the ancient entity Barbados and playing a role
in bringing the evil versions of Batman from

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dark dimensions known as the Dark Knights into
Gotham. This alliance led to their near extinction

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at the hands of the Batman Who Laughs, though
remnants of the court continued to operate

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in secrecy. Powers-wise, Talon possesses enhanced
strength, speed, agility, and reflexes. His

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body is infused with Electrum. Granting him
near immortality and accelerated healing, allowing

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him to recover from fatal wounds almost instantly,
though exposure to extreme cold will slow his

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regenerative and resurrection abilities. A master
martial artist, Talon is proficient in multiple

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fighting styles, able to match Batman and Nightwing
in combat. His stealth and infiltration skills

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make him nearly undetectable, and his precision
with throwing knives and bladed weapons is

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near perfect. He wields an arsenal of weapons,
including throwing knives kept on a bandolier

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across his torso, as well as twin swords on
his back, among others, all customized for

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silent lethal efficiency. Additionally, he uses
infrared goggles for tracking targets in the

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dark, and smoke bombs for quick escapes. He
is a world-class escape artist, able to break

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free from any restraint. His one other weakness
is his reliance on Electrum. Its ability to

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heal can be depleted. and Talons are dependents
on the Court of Owls for replenishment of the

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alloy. That's Talon. Do you know what version
of Talon you're going to be going with for

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this match or are they all pretty much essentially
the same? I'm going with the composite Talon

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of the two primary Talons in William Cobb and
Calvin Rose. I guess my biggest surprise from

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that story was that for a secret organization
and a secret assassin, why was it that Bruce

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Wayne was attacked by a Talon during the middle
of a business meeting? I believe the person

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he was meeting with was a member of the court.
And they didn't anticipate that Bruce Wayne

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was going to be as adept at defending himself
from the Talon as he was. Okay. Okay, that

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00:41:10,671 --> 00:41:14,813
makes sense. That makes sense. Well, there's
not a whole lot there in common with Nico Minoru,

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but I think that should make things interesting
when we get around to the speculation. But

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let me go ahead and tell you all about Nico
Minoru, aka Sister Grimm. Now, Niko Minoru

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was born to Tina and Robert Minoru, two powerful
sorcerers who, along with five other couples,

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formed the Pride, which was a secret cult dedicated
to serving the mystical entities known as the

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Geborim. Each year, the Pride performed a ritual
sacrifice to the Gaborim in exchange for promises

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of future power and prosperity. Unaware of her
parents' true nature, Nico and the other children

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of the Pride would spend these annual gatherings
together. However, one fateful night, Nico

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and the other teens decided to spy on their
parents and were horrified to witness them

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murdering an innocent young woman in ritualistic
fashion. Shocked and disillusioned, Nico and

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the other teens resolved to escape from their
parents, becoming the Runaways. As they fled,

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Nico was confronted by her mother, Tina. who
wielded a magical artifact called the Staff

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of One. Attempting to prevent Nico from leaving,
her mom tried to stab her daughter with the

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weapon, but instead, Nico's body absorbed the
staff entirely. Later, during a confrontation

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with the time traveling York's parents, Nico
was cut by the father's battle axe, triggering

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the Staff of One to emerge from within her body
from her chest for the first time. Instinctively,

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she uttered the word freeze, and the spell instantly
encased the York's mother in ice. The moment

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marked the awakening of Niko's latent magical
abilities and revealed that the Staff of One

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could only be summoned through bloodletting
and that it allowed her to cast a spell only

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once before requiring her to devise new phrasing
for the same effect. As the Runaways investigated

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the Pride, they learned more about their parents'
arrangement with the Giborum. The deal promised

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00:42:59,685 --> 00:43:04,588
that after 25 years, six members of the Pride
would be allowed to survive and rule over a

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cleansed world while the rest of humanity perished.
friends, the Runaways leader Alex Wilder revealed

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himself to be a double agent, secretly working
with his parents and attempting to secure a

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place in the Gaborim's utopian future. Alex
sought to convince Nico to join him, but she

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rejected him and struck him down, aiding in
his ultimate demise at the hands of the Gaborim.

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00:43:28,364 --> 00:43:32,647
The Runaways' parents ultimately sacrificed
themselves to destroy the Gaborim, leaving

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Nico and her friends orphaned fugitives. With
Alex gone, Nico naturally assumed leadership

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of the Runaways, guiding the group to the as
they sought to evade authorities and rebuild

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00:43:42,453 --> 00:43:47,916
their lives. While searching for Victor Mancha,
a boy prophesied to become a future threat,

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Nico and the Runaways encountered Ultron, who
was revealed to be Victor's father. You can

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learn more about Ultron in his duel against
Brainiac. After Ultron's defeat, Nico invited

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Victor to join the team despite the misgivings
of some members. Meanwhile, fellow Runaway

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00:44:04,246 --> 00:44:10,208
member Carolina Dean confessed her romantic
feelings toward Nico, but Nico did not reciprocate

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them. Instead, she began a relationship with
Victor, though their dynamic remained complicated.

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During a conflict with the Gaborim, Nico was
nearly taken by the ancient beings who deemed

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her soul pure and suitable for consumption.
However, Victor intervened and saved her. Afterward,

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Nico led the team on the run from S.H.I.E.L.D.
and Iron Man, eventually bringing them to New

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York. There, she made a risky alliance with
the Kingpin, only for the Runaways to become

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entangled in a time displacement event that
sent them back to 1907. In this era, Nico was

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abducted by a mysterious woman known as the
Witchbreaker, who claimed to be her great-grandmother.

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Informing Nico that she came from an ancient
magical lineage, the Witchbreaker subjected

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00:44:52,272 --> 00:44:57,393
Nico to brutal training, insisting that enduring
pain would strengthen her magical abilities.

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Though the ordeal was traumatic, Niko emerged
with enhanced control over her magic and a

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greater understanding of the Staff of One. Upon
returning to the present, the Runaways became

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caught in the Skrull's secret invasion of Earth.
During this period, Niko sought to prove that

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the Runaways were more than just a band of outcasts,
and insisted they join the Young Avengers in

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00:45:18,379 --> 00:45:23,821
resisting the alien threat. However, Wiccan
urged her to retreat, arguing that the Runaways

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needed to remain in reserve should the Young
Avengers fail. You can learn more about the

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00:45:28,430 --> 00:45:33,973
Young Avengers in their team duel against Young
Justice. Niko's leadership was further tested

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00:45:33,993 --> 00:45:39,396
when she used the spell Scatter to disperse
a group of invading aliens, inadvertently causing

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emotional disarray among the runaways. Her attempts
to stabilize the group led to further difficulties,

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00:45:45,039 --> 00:45:50,802
including a disastrous attempt to throw a prom
for the team. Meanwhile, a rival warlock warned

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00:45:50,862 --> 00:45:55,405
Niko of the dangers of the Staff of One and
attempted to steal it from her, only to be

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killed by the Staff itself. This incident reinforced
the notion that the staff carried immense and

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00:46:00,580 --> 00:46:05,402
unpredictable magical power beyond her complete
understanding. Niko and the Runaways later

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00:46:05,442 --> 00:46:11,346
became entangled in Arcade's murder world, where
Arcade kidnapped 16 young heroes, forcing them

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00:46:11,386 --> 00:46:16,949
into a deadly battle royale. An ordeal you can
learn more about in our Riddler vs Arcade duel

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episode. Niko was gravely injured when Chase
Stein, a Runaway controlled by the Darkhawk

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00:46:22,533 --> 00:46:27,423
Amulet, severed her arm. As she lay dying, she
used the last of her strength to utter the

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spell, Help, sacrificing herself to the Staff
of One in the process. This act triggered the

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00:46:33,305 --> 00:46:38,327
Staff to resurrect her, restoring her body.
The experience significantly amplified her

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00:46:38,367 --> 00:46:43,249
magical abilities, allowing her to wield powers
beyond those previously granted by the Staff

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of One. In the aftermath of Murderworld, Nico
and the other survivors were thrust into the

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public eye when Arcade released footage of their
ordeal. She and Chase traveled to Bagalia,

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a nation of villains, where Nico trained under
Daemon Hellstrom to hone her newly enhanced

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abilities. There she was reunited with the resurrected
Alex Wilder, who offered her guidance in navigating

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00:47:06,465 --> 00:47:11,927
the moral complexities of her power. Eventually
Nico and her allies escaped Bagalia with help

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00:47:11,967 --> 00:47:16,608
from the Avengers, where a fight against the
Masters of Evil broke out. You can learn more

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about the Avengers and the Masters of Evil in
their respective team duels against the Justice

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League and the Legion of Doom. Nico later joined
A-Force, an all-female superhero team where

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she played a pivotal role in battles against
Anti-Matter and the Countess. However, tensions

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within the team escalated during the second
superhero civil war when the inhuman Ulysses

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had a vision for telling that Nico would kill
a woman named Alice. Unwilling to be judged

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for a crime she had yet to commit, Nico fled
to Colorado, where she encountered the monster

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hunter Elsa Bloodstone, whom you can learn more
about in her duel episode against Frankenstein.

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As it turned out, the woman named Alice transformed
into a monstrous parasitic insectoid, forcing

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00:47:58,422 --> 00:48:03,984
Nico to ultimately cast a spell to end her life.
The ordeal left Nico questioning her role as

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a hero and the ethics of preemptive justice.

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00:48:11,228 --> 00:48:17,153
used time travel technology to rescue the former
team member Gert Yorke from death. Though reluctant

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00:48:17,193 --> 00:48:21,417
at first, Nico recognized that her bond with
the Runaways remained her strongest tether

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to humanity. She resumed leadership of the team
and finally formed a romantic relationship

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00:48:26,615 --> 00:48:31,558
with Carolina Dean. However, she struggled with
the burdens of responsibility, including the

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00:48:31,578 --> 00:48:36,260
discovery that the staff of One contained a
trapped magician known as The One. Through

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00:48:36,300 --> 00:48:41,722
negotiations, she altered the terms of her bond
with the staff, allowing her to summon it without

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00:48:41,762 --> 00:48:47,205
bloodletting, but at the cost of graDuelly freeing
The One's will inside of her. Attempting to

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embrace a more structured life,

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00:48:52,628 --> 00:48:58,171
the J Team. However, she and the Runaways uncovered
Doc Justice's sinister history of orchestrating

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00:48:58,211 --> 00:49:03,094
the deaths of his young protégés to bolster
his reputation. The team ultimately turned

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00:49:03,134 --> 00:49:07,537
against him and Nico used her magic to save
Carolina from death. Following these events,

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00:49:07,617 --> 00:49:11,919
Nico accepted a position at Strange Academy
where she began teaching creative spellcasting

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00:49:12,299 --> 00:49:17,663
to a new generation of magic users. Powers-wise,
Nico is a sorceress in training with great

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00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:27,434
to perform powerful and dangerous spells. Despite
her inexperience, she is able to tap into her

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00:49:27,474 --> 00:49:32,539
magic aptitude to wield the Staff of One, a
powerful magic artifact capable of casting

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00:49:32,579 --> 00:49:38,205
spells with a word or phrase. However, as part
of the Staff's limitations, she cannot repeat

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00:49:38,225 --> 00:49:43,630
the same word or phrase to use a spell without
suffering undesirable effects. The Staff's

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00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:48,730
magical effects are usually temporary and occasionally
unpredictable, but she has refined this through

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00:49:48,810 --> 00:49:54,213
training. For example, the word freeze was the
first spell she ever cast, and when she tried

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00:49:54,253 --> 00:49:59,396
the word again, the staff summoned a flock of
pelicans. However, through training, she's

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00:49:59,436 --> 00:50:04,299
found that she can increase the length of the
spell phrase to produce the same magical effect,

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such as freeze to the exact temperature and
aesthetic appearance of a cheap popsicle from

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a 7-11, which gives her a workaround to repeat
some spells when necessary. Though again, she

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00:50:14,884 --> 00:50:19,855
cannot use the same phrase twice. Nico can also
summon the Staff of One to herself when it's

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beyond her reach and use it as a physical combat
weapon. In her time as a runaway and superhero,

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she's added a number of learned spells to her
repertoire that she can use without the staff,

547
00:50:29,699 --> 00:50:35,661
including Portal Generation, Magic Shielding,
and Levitation of both herself and other objects.

548
00:50:36,201 --> 00:50:43,064
And that is Nico Minoru. So what kind of spells
exactly can she cast with Blood Magic? Summoning

549
00:50:43,104 --> 00:50:47,842
her Staff of One? That's it? That's all she
can do with Blood Magic? Through bloodletting,

550
00:50:48,202 --> 00:50:52,345
specifically the torture that she went through
on behalf of the Witchbreaker, she was able

551
00:50:52,365 --> 00:50:57,229
to gain more control over the spells that she
would cast using the Staff of One. But it's

552
00:50:57,249 --> 00:51:01,692
not just blood magic skill that she has potential
in, it's also standard magic, which is how

553
00:51:01,732 --> 00:51:07,036
she has those learned spells such as levitation,
magic shielding, and the like. So she's only

554
00:51:07,156 --> 00:51:12,520
able to summon it if she produces her blood?
Not anymore, no. She doesn't have to actually

555
00:51:12,580 --> 00:51:16,554
bloodlet in order to summon the Staff. Cause
that was pretty dark. She was essentially like

556
00:51:16,574 --> 00:51:21,637
a cutter superhero. Yeah, yeah. Maybe that's
why they changed it cause they didn't want

557
00:51:21,697 --> 00:51:27,840
kids kind of like enacting that sort of bloodletting.
But I do think that Nico is a vastly interesting

558
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:32,282
character. You know, she's got like the Japanese
thing going. She's got the goth thing going.

559
00:51:32,462 --> 00:51:36,264
There's no other character in the Marvel universe
that's quite like her. And I think that's why

560
00:51:36,284 --> 00:51:40,874
she's kind of been the standout character of
the Runaways. kind of transitioning successfully

561
00:51:40,914 --> 00:51:46,317
from that team onto other Marvel superhero teams
like the A-Force. And she's just a knockoff

562
00:51:46,358 --> 00:51:51,520
version of Tracy 13. Actually the way that Nico
uses her spells through like the one word,

563
00:51:51,601 --> 00:51:55,443
one phrase type thing and like the fish nets
and all that kind of reminded me of Zatanna.

564
00:51:55,783 --> 00:51:59,885
I think an interesting duel would have been
Zatanna versus Nico, although I do believe

565
00:51:59,925 --> 00:52:03,267
that Zatanna would have wiped the floor with
her because Nico has those spell limitations.

566
00:52:03,467 --> 00:52:07,730
Whereas Zatanna can use her spells over and
over again. She just says them backwards. I

567
00:52:07,770 --> 00:52:12,271
find it interesting that you describe Nico as
still being in training when she's also teaching

568
00:52:12,311 --> 00:52:16,113
courses at Strange Academy. Yeah, she's still
in training though to reach her potential.

569
00:52:16,613 --> 00:52:21,475
A lot of the magic that she does is summoned
through the staff, so she's working on becoming

570
00:52:21,495 --> 00:52:25,897
a better sorceress outside of the staff. Maybe
she'll become the future Sorcerer Supreme.

571
00:52:26,538 --> 00:52:32,200
She was in consideration along with the rest
of Marvel's sorcerers and sorceresses at the

572
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:35,801
time that Doctor Strange lost the title briefly.
Oh, interesting. Okay.

573
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Now that we've got their histories and abilities
out of the way, let's speculate on how one

581
00:53:34,228 --> 00:53:40,110
of the 1000 simulated matches will go. The winner
is determined by simulations, not this speculation,

582
00:53:40,430 --> 00:53:46,013
but it's fun to imagine how this fight could
play out. AJ9K, what are the rules of our speculation?

583
00:53:46,893 --> 00:53:50,895
Well, I should say there are no rules, other
than the characters have no prior knowledge

584
00:53:50,915 --> 00:53:55,316
of the other going into the fight. All they
are aware of starting out is that the other

585
00:53:55,336 --> 00:54:00,423
character is a threat that needs to be eliminated.
For the speculation, the contestants will begin

586
00:54:00,463 --> 00:54:05,527
approximately 50 meters apart in a non-descript
environment that will have no bearing on the

587
00:54:05,567 --> 00:54:10,911
match itself, as no environmental statistics
are considered in my simulations. The contestants

588
00:54:10,951 --> 00:54:16,435
must earn victory on their own merit. Alright,
then let's get into it. Talon and Sister Grimm

589
00:54:16,475 --> 00:54:22,639
meet on the battlefield. Who goes first? I'm
gonna say Niko goes first by summoning her

590
00:54:22,679 --> 00:54:28,194
staff. That's her first action. It emerges from
her chest. and she spins it around like a badass.

591
00:54:28,814 --> 00:54:33,355
And actually, I have a list of all the spells
that she's performed in the comics, because

592
00:54:33,375 --> 00:54:37,877
I'm going to try to keep this speculation as
comic accurate as possible for Nico. So I have

593
00:54:37,897 --> 00:54:43,458
a list of like no-go words and phrases, just,
you know, to stay in keeping with her limitations.

594
00:54:43,478 --> 00:54:51,560
OK, good. Well, Nico is busy twirling her staff.
Tellen's going to hurl a volley of blades her

595
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:57,927
way with deadly precision, targeting each of
her limbs and her head. Oh sorry the blades

596
00:54:57,987 --> 00:55:03,350
missed because Nico she puts up a magic shield
to block them you know it's one of her learned

597
00:55:03,390 --> 00:55:07,752
spells she doesn't need the staff for and then
she's gonna use the staff to vault over her

598
00:55:07,792 --> 00:55:13,115
magic shield and she's gonna levitate in the
air point the staff at Talon and she's gonna

599
00:55:13,155 --> 00:55:18,599
call out the spell Captain Howdy which is gonna
make Talon's head spin around like the girl

600
00:55:18,999 --> 00:55:24,262
from the exorcist movie and also like an owl
since he kind of looks like an owl and that's

601
00:55:24,282 --> 00:55:30,607
going to snap his neck, just taking him out.
OK. You know, with his neck snapped, his body

602
00:55:30,627 --> 00:55:35,251
is probably going to drop to the floor dead.
And Nico, she'll land on the ground and be

603
00:55:35,291 --> 00:55:40,475
like, well, that was easy. But as she's busy
looking around, wondering where she is and

604
00:55:40,515 --> 00:55:45,739
why she's in this environment, she's going to
be too distracted to see Talon's head spin

605
00:55:45,799 --> 00:55:51,464
back around. And his body stands back up. And
before she realizes it, she's been straight

606
00:55:51,484 --> 00:55:58,327
up impaled with a sword through her back. Oh
shit, okay. Uh, well okay, so she falls away

607
00:55:58,387 --> 00:56:03,308
from the sword, she's mortally wounded, but
before she passes out, she's gonna call out

608
00:56:03,348 --> 00:56:08,789
the spell Red Potion, which is gonna cause the
Staff of One to heal her up instantly, you

609
00:56:08,809 --> 00:56:14,951
know, like the Red Potion from Legend of Zelda.
So she gets back onto her feet, and she's glaring

610
00:56:15,011 --> 00:56:20,653
at this Talon douche who just stabbed her, and
she calls out Pyre, which is gonna cause Talon

611
00:56:20,673 --> 00:56:26,958
to catch on fire. Pyre? Like a funeral pyre?
Yeah. I'm guessing she's already used the spell

612
00:56:27,018 --> 00:56:34,420
fire. According to this list, she's used hell
fire and back draft. But I would think that

613
00:56:34,460 --> 00:56:38,101
fire would either be too common that she'd have
had to have used it at some point or she'd

614
00:56:38,161 --> 00:56:43,083
want to save it as like a backup emergency spell.
Because in the comics, she's kind of forced

615
00:56:43,123 --> 00:56:47,504
to get creative with some of her wording in
order to not back herself into a corner in

616
00:56:47,524 --> 00:56:51,965
the future. So I'm just kind of rolling with
that idea. OK, well, I mean, it doesn't matter

617
00:56:52,325 --> 00:56:58,707
because all she says on fire. is a column of
smoke where Talon once was. And as she's looking

618
00:56:58,747 --> 00:57:04,128
around for him, that's when Talon's going to
attack from whatever direction she wasn't looking,

619
00:57:04,488 --> 00:57:09,390
just delivering this series of kicks and strikes.
And that's going to cause her to drop her staff

620
00:57:09,850 --> 00:57:15,011
and get knocked to the ground. OK, so she's
on the ground, but she's going to use her learned

621
00:57:15,071 --> 00:57:21,033
magic spell to telekinetically shove Talon back.
And then she's going to summon the staff that

622
00:57:21,053 --> 00:57:27,034
she dropped back into her hand. She's gonna
call out the spell, sleep with the fishes.

623
00:57:27,414 --> 00:57:32,896
And suddenly Talon's feet are gonna be encased
in cement, like cinder blocks, and now he can

624
00:57:33,076 --> 00:57:38,818
barely move his legs. He's stuck. Dude, a middle
school age kid with karate skill can get out

625
00:57:38,858 --> 00:57:44,459
of this. He's just gonna karate chop this cinder
block, it's gonna crack in half, so he's free.

626
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,740
Okay, but she's gonna see him doing that, and
she's gonna realize that she needs a better

627
00:57:48,861 --> 00:57:55,703
freezing spell. So she's gonna point her staff
at him. and call out squishy and then he completely

628
00:57:55,743 --> 00:58:02,507
freezes encased in ice just frozen to death.
Why does squishy freeze him? From the Simpsons

629
00:58:02,527 --> 00:58:08,030
you know the drink that the cookie mart sells
it's like an icy. Okay well I mean icies are

630
00:58:08,210 --> 00:58:13,533
pretty liquid it's not like they're frozen blocks
so Talon's actually just soaked in cold red

631
00:58:13,613 --> 00:58:18,836
syrup and that's gonna allow him to throw a
dagger right across Nico's throat slitting

632
00:58:18,916 --> 00:58:25,427
the larynx and preventing her from speaking
any more magic words. No, cause actually, you

633
00:58:25,447 --> 00:58:29,768
know, the literal meaning of the word is less
important than the meaning that she assigns

634
00:58:29,828 --> 00:58:35,470
to it. Cause like in the comics, she built a
house using the spell Abraham Lincoln, but

635
00:58:35,490 --> 00:58:40,911
it's not like that spell summoned Abraham Lincoln.
So no, Talon's not covered in red liquid. He's

636
00:58:40,991 --> 00:58:47,013
frozen solid, like she meant him to be. And
he didn't throw any daggers cause he's frozen,

637
00:58:47,313 --> 00:58:50,627
cause he's dead. And there's not going to be
any resurrecting here because she's going to

638
00:58:50,727 --> 00:58:56,651
shatter him into a thousand pieces with her
staff. Match over. All right. But surprise,

639
00:58:57,012 --> 00:59:02,015
just as she's about to shatter him, he's going
to eject these extendable claws kind of like

640
00:59:02,035 --> 00:59:07,559
Wolverine from his wrist. And that's going to
shatter the ice around his arm, freeing it.

641
00:59:08,119 --> 00:59:13,343
And the staff, she's going to swing that into
these blades, which is going to cause Nico

642
00:59:13,403 --> 00:59:20,965
to accidentally get her staff sliced in two.
So before she can even comprehend what just

643
00:59:21,005 --> 00:59:27,270
happened, Talon's gonna like flex his way out
of the rest of the ice and quickly draw his

644
00:59:27,310 --> 00:59:34,817
sword and slice her body into with one stroke,
ending this match in his favor. Okay, so either

645
00:59:35,358 --> 00:59:41,423
Talon breaks out of the ice and slices Niko
down with his sword, or he stays in the ice

646
00:59:42,004 --> 00:59:45,258
and she shatters him into a thousand pieces.
I think that's a pretty good cliffhanger for

647
00:59:45,278 --> 00:59:49,801
this match. Let's go ahead and see which scenario
happens by running the stats on these characters,

648
00:59:50,061 --> 00:59:55,644
along with the simulations, and coming back
with a winner. AG9K, hit it! Inputting data,

649
00:59:56,204 --> 01:00:02,007
running calculations, processing results, simulations
complete. All right, we always knew that the

650
01:00:02,047 --> 01:00:05,849
stats for this particular matchup were gonna
be interesting. Like, the characters aren't

651
01:00:05,929 --> 01:00:11,573
identical at all. They have nothing really in
common. It's more about what they have in contrast

652
01:00:11,593 --> 01:00:16,511
with each other. And to that end, these stats
came out as expected. Like you have Talon,

653
01:00:16,871 --> 01:00:22,453
who's an incredibly skilled fighter going up
against Nico, who is not. And then you have

654
01:00:22,553 --> 01:00:29,376
Nico, who is incredibly versatile going up against
Talon, who is not. Right, Talon is basically

655
01:00:29,856 --> 01:00:35,378
a stabby fight man who really doesn't have too
much going for him, you know, besides his healing

656
01:00:35,398 --> 01:00:39,920
factor as well. Oh yeah, the healing factor
put him way over the top over Nico in terms

657
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:46,407
of durability. But when it came to damage level,
Niko came out on top by equal measure. Yeah,

658
01:00:46,427 --> 01:00:51,310
she definitely has the potential to cause a
lot of damage. We also said that Niko was slightly

659
01:00:51,391 --> 01:00:59,155
stronger thanks to her telekinesis and had a
broader range. But in contrast, Talon had greater

660
01:00:59,215 --> 01:01:04,719
perception thanks to his infrared goggles. I
think the stat that was most surprising here

661
01:01:04,759 --> 01:01:10,514
was intelligence. The Marvel power grid ranks
Niko at a two. And because of that, I thought

662
01:01:10,554 --> 01:01:14,858
Talon was gonna take that stack category. But
it turns out he's not really that much smarter

663
01:01:14,898 --> 01:01:20,003
either. Yeah, I know the Talons are pretty much
mindless zombies that only know how to do the

664
01:01:20,023 --> 01:01:24,827
will of the court. So, yeah, he ranked pretty
low. But with all of this in consideration,

665
01:01:25,148 --> 01:01:28,911
Joseph, who do you think came out on top? I
think Nico's going to take it. I mean, for

666
01:01:29,071 --> 01:01:36,878
as good of a fighter and as lethal and as durable
as Talon is regenerative, I should say. I think

667
01:01:36,938 --> 01:01:41,582
Nico has her own unique strengths and I think
that's going to put her over the top. Instagram

668
01:01:41,602 --> 01:01:48,067
does not agree with me for some reason. 61%
of our Instagram poll takers said that Talon

669
01:01:48,087 --> 01:01:51,690
was going to win this match, which kind of scares
me a little bit because I would think that

670
01:01:51,710 --> 01:01:56,855
a lot of people would actually know who Nico
is, you know, just based on the runaways television

671
01:01:56,875 --> 01:02:01,379
show or the current Your Friendly Neighborhood
Spider-Man series. Talon just must be more

672
01:02:01,419 --> 01:02:06,438
popular than I think he is or he's more powerful
than I think he is. Talon comes from one of

673
01:02:06,478 --> 01:02:11,919
the most interesting Batman stories ever, at
least recently. So yeah, I'm not surprised

674
01:02:11,939 --> 01:02:17,401
by those Instagram results. But let's see if
those poll takers are correct. Agent NK, the

675
01:02:17,441 --> 01:02:26,684
results please. Hey Yuasa. Alright, the winner
of the matchup between Talon and Niko Minoru

676
01:02:27,844 --> 01:02:34,566
is... Niko Minoru. That's right, baby! That's
right! But... By what percentage would you

677
01:02:34,606 --> 01:02:39,087
guess? I think it'll be pretty close. It's got
to be in the 50s. I don't think she's going

678
01:02:39,127 --> 01:02:43,328
to take almost two thirds of these matches.
I think it's going to be closer to the 50-50

679
01:02:43,588 --> 01:02:49,750
mark. I actually thought Nico was going to totally
stomp after putting in the stats, but she won

680
01:02:50,110 --> 01:03:00,013
58.6 percent of her matches or 586 of the 1000
compared to Talon, who won 414. OK, so that

681
01:03:00,053 --> 01:03:06,388
was pretty close to 60 percent then. Yeah, in
the end, Talon's fighting and durability stats

682
01:03:06,408 --> 01:03:13,133
cannot overpower Niko's versatility and damage
as well as range really. You know, it was the

683
01:03:13,173 --> 01:03:19,658
stat that really failed him. It was intelligence.
If Talon was like a smart genius, like I thought

684
01:03:19,678 --> 01:03:24,121
he was going to be, he actually would have put
up a better fight to the point of maybe even

685
01:03:24,161 --> 01:03:29,385
winning this thing. I mean, both of the prominent
talents were recruited by Haley Circus fairly

686
01:03:29,425 --> 01:03:35,388
young. And that's not really to discount the
intelligence of circus performers, but their

687
01:03:35,448 --> 01:03:40,870
specialties are physical and not necessarily
academic. Yeah, and even though Nico's like

688
01:03:41,090 --> 01:03:46,273
teaching some classes at a strange academy,
I don't think she graduated high school. So

689
01:03:46,293 --> 01:03:51,355
she definitely is gaining in her knowledge of
the occult and mysticism. But you know, she's

690
01:03:51,395 --> 01:03:56,617
still a little bit naive. She's still considered
like a young hero compared to the rest of the

691
01:03:56,637 --> 01:04:00,496
Marvel Pantheon. Did you know that the Staff
of One has made an appearance in the MCU? Oh,

692
01:04:00,516 --> 01:04:07,261
it was in the Dr. Strange movie, right? Yeah,
it was when Dormammu was attacking the magic

693
01:04:07,321 --> 01:04:15,548
stronghold in China, the one that Wong was defending,
and alongside him was Tina, Nico's mom, holding

694
01:04:15,608 --> 01:04:20,432
the Staff of One. I'm really hoping that the
Court of Owls are the main villains in the

695
01:04:20,512 --> 01:04:26,017
upcoming sequel to The Batman. It's rumored
that they, and possibly also Mr. Freeze, will

696
01:04:26,057 --> 01:04:31,163
be. Fingers crossed, I think that'd be really
cool. I feel like the Court of Owls and Mr.

697
01:04:31,203 --> 01:04:37,024
Freeze aren't two comic book entities that jive
well in a story, but I'd rather see the Court

698
01:04:37,044 --> 01:04:42,146
of Owls because they seem a lot more grounded
than something like Mr. Freeze, and we all

699
01:04:42,166 --> 01:04:47,887
know that the Batman franchise is pretty grounded.
Well, I think Batman would almost need Mr.

700
01:04:47,907 --> 01:04:53,629
Freeze's tech to stop the Court of Owls and
their talons, so I don't know. Yeah, that would

701
01:04:53,649 --> 01:05:00,490
make sense. We'll see. But that does it for
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702
01:05:00,510 --> 01:05:05,913
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