1 00:00:00,930 --> 00:00:02,972 This is a DynaMic Network podcast. 2 00:00:24,654 --> 00:00:29,097 Hi and welcome to the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly show where we review superhero films 3 00:00:29,457 --> 00:00:34,641 and debate the superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing their characters in stat-based 4 00:00:34,801 --> 00:00:41,406 battle simulations. I'm Marvelous Joe. And I'm his twin brother Johnny DC. And we got a special 5 00:00:41,446 --> 00:00:47,710 episode for you guys. This is our 425th episode. And as long time listeners know, every 25 episodes, 6 00:00:47,730 --> 00:00:53,366 we're coming at you guys with a team duel. And this episode is going to be... Revenge match 7 00:00:53,486 --> 00:00:57,969 kind of like a grudge match between Thanos and Darkseid except they're bringing their posses 8 00:00:58,009 --> 00:01:04,534 with them it's gonna be Darkseids elite versus the black order and Revenge is gonna be so 9 00:01:04,594 --> 00:01:09,978 sweet from our original Duel episode of dark side versus Thanos Just laying that out there 10 00:01:10,038 --> 00:01:15,802 right now. Yeah, if any episode deserved a sequel It would have to be Darkseid versus Thanos 11 00:01:15,882 --> 00:01:20,245 because that has to be one of the most epic pairings between Marvel and DC characters ever 12 00:01:20,625 --> 00:01:25,693 Yeah Right, and this matchup is going to be equally as epic. Can't wait to see who wins 13 00:01:25,713 --> 00:01:30,076 between Darkseid's elite, which is basically, you know, his main generals on the planet Apocalypse 14 00:01:30,396 --> 00:01:35,599 versus the Black Order, who non-comic book readers will definitely recognize from the Infinity 15 00:01:35,639 --> 00:01:40,102 War and endgame films. They're like Thanos' generals. Before that matchup, we're going 16 00:01:40,122 --> 00:01:44,285 to break down the latest comic book movie news to come out this past week, of which we have 17 00:01:44,365 --> 00:01:49,709 two news items. We got news that James Watkins is going to direct the Clayface film that's 18 00:01:49,729 --> 00:01:55,861 in development. and we got the official trailer for Batman Ninja vs Yakuza League. As always 19 00:01:55,901 --> 00:01:59,964 we list our segment times in our episode description, so feel free to check out the show notes if 20 00:01:59,984 --> 00:02:05,267 you want to skip ahead to a particular topic. Our artificially intelligent Duel simulator 21 00:02:05,387 --> 00:02:12,574 AJ9K has a quick message for our listeners, so listen up. Why hello there, do you want 22 00:02:12,634 --> 00:02:17,536 even more from this podcast? Then become a part of the dynamic Duel community on Patreon, where 23 00:02:17,556 --> 00:02:22,018 you can choose from three tiers. The dynamic two-oh tier gives you access to our Discord 24 00:02:22,058 --> 00:02:26,980 chat server. The fantastic four tier gives you two bonus episodes each month, and the X-Force 25 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:32,318 tier makes you an executive producer of this show. Lastly. The Diner Mike podcast network 26 00:02:32,358 --> 00:02:36,820 tier lets you create your own podcast using this Monte Carlo simulator. Johnny and Joe 27 00:02:36,860 --> 00:02:41,563 will help you develop your show, provide graphic support and consultation, and get you simulation 28 00:02:41,583 --> 00:02:47,846 results. Pitch the twins your ideas via email at dynamicduelpodcast at gmail.com. Check it 29 00:02:47,906 --> 00:02:54,389 out at patreon.com slash dynamicduel. Pip pip cheerio. Thanks AJ9K and thanks to everyone 30 00:02:54,409 --> 00:02:59,171 who supports the podcast. Guys be sure to tune into the other shows in the DynaMic Podcast 31 00:02:59,231 --> 00:03:03,254 Network this week including Max Destruction which pits your favorite action heroes from 32 00:03:03,314 --> 00:03:08,276 film and television against each other. This Wednesday, hosts Scotty and Gilly are finding 33 00:03:08,356 --> 00:03:14,120 out who would win in a fight between the MCU's Captain America Steve Rogers and the DCEU's 34 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:20,283 Batman aka Batfleck. Which is a matchup I've always wanted to see from Max Destruction. 35 00:03:20,643 --> 00:03:24,185 Yeah, it's nice that since we focus on the comic book characters for our duels that they can 36 00:03:24,534 --> 00:03:29,518 focus on the movie characters. I'm really interested in that fight too. On the Senjoh World podcast, 37 00:03:29,558 --> 00:03:35,022 host Zachary Hepburn speculates on fights between fan favorite anime and manga characters. This 38 00:03:35,102 --> 00:03:42,388 Thursday, Zach is putting out an epic 10 versus 10 matchup of Team Naruto, AKA the Akatsuki 39 00:03:42,648 --> 00:03:48,673 versus Team Bleach, AKA the Espada. That'll be a big one. Anime fans definitely check that 40 00:03:48,753 --> 00:03:53,611 out. On the Konsole Kombat podcast, hosts John and Dean simulate battles between popular video 41 00:03:53,631 --> 00:03:58,894 game characters. In yesterday's episode, they found out who would win between Commander Shepard, 42 00:03:59,154 --> 00:04:05,897 female Commander Shepard from Mass Effect and Catherine B320 from Halo. Visit dynamicpodcasts.com 43 00:04:06,477 --> 00:04:11,479 or click the link in our show notes to listen to all of the shows in the DynaMic Podcast 44 00:04:11,579 --> 00:04:18,866 Network. But with that out of the way, quick to the no prize. A no prize is an award Marvel 45 00:04:18,926 --> 00:04:24,508 used to give out to fans. Our version, the Dynamic Duel No Prize, is a digital award we post on 46 00:04:24,628 --> 00:04:30,069 Instagram for the person that we feel gave the best answer to our question of the week. Last 47 00:04:30,089 --> 00:04:35,791 week we asked you guys, what's your favorite Captain America solo film and why? And we incorporated 48 00:04:35,971 --> 00:04:40,752 all of the Captain America movies, not just from the MCU franchise, but also through history. 49 00:04:41,092 --> 00:04:44,553 We got three answers, so let's go ahead and run down the two honorable mentions and the 50 00:04:44,593 --> 00:04:51,168 no prize winner. Our first honorable mention goes to Lee Tapscott, who said, Hi, this is 51 00:04:51,228 --> 00:04:57,632 Lee. My favorite Captain America project was Captain America. Seventy five heroic years. 52 00:04:58,192 --> 00:05:05,896 This aired back in 2016 on ABC right before the premiere of Agent Carter. This is a documentary 53 00:05:05,936 --> 00:05:12,500 movie on the history of Captain America, both in comics and films, and examine the influence 54 00:05:12,580 --> 00:05:18,227 of this character in America culture throughout the years. with tons of interviews and snippets 55 00:05:18,267 --> 00:05:22,009 from movies and comics. Oops, it looks like he got kind of cut off at the end there, but 56 00:05:22,469 --> 00:05:28,172 I remember when this documentary came out. It's not like a solo film per se, but it was really 57 00:05:28,192 --> 00:05:33,215 cool to see comic book and movie creators comment on the influence of Captain America back when 58 00:05:33,255 --> 00:05:38,918 he first debuted around World War II. There have been quite a few solid comic book documentaries 59 00:05:38,978 --> 00:05:43,821 made over the years. I remember the History Channel put out an amazing one back in the 60 00:05:43,841 --> 00:05:48,629 early 2000s. Oh yeah, wasn't it like comic book superheroes unmasked? Yeah, I would highly 61 00:05:48,669 --> 00:05:53,513 recommend that documentary to anyone who's like getting into comics. There was also a really 62 00:05:53,573 --> 00:05:58,257 great documentary on the Unbreakable special features for that movie Unbreakable, since 63 00:05:58,297 --> 00:06:03,081 you know that movie deals with comic books and superheroes. Oh yeah, great interviews with 64 00:06:03,122 --> 00:06:07,886 comic book creators like Dave Gibbons and Frank Miller, if I remember correctly. Yeah. DC has 65 00:06:07,906 --> 00:06:13,218 had one TV special documentary-esque type project that they put out. I think it was right around 66 00:06:13,258 --> 00:06:18,043 the time of Batman v Superman and that was hosted by Kevin Smith. It was called Dawn of Justice 67 00:06:18,083 --> 00:06:24,909 League if I remember correctly. And no one cares about that one. Oh, I'm sorry. Moving on to 68 00:06:24,949 --> 00:06:30,073 our next honorable mention. This next answer was given by Travis Herndon, who said, What's 69 00:06:30,113 --> 00:06:34,377 up, dynamic dudes? Travis here. Shout out to my evil twin. So my answer had to be Falcon 70 00:06:34,397 --> 00:06:39,990 and Winter Soldier. Seeing Bucky and Sam having this buddy cop dynamic was cool. While yeah, 71 00:06:40,010 --> 00:06:44,475 the villains were a big lackluster, getting introduced to the tragic character of Isaiah 72 00:06:44,515 --> 00:06:50,841 Bradley was powerful, as well as getting introduced to everybody's favorite party city cat, John 73 00:06:50,881 --> 00:06:55,786 Walker. So yeah, Falcon and the Winter Soldier is my favorite series. Yeah, the Falcon and 74 00:06:55,806 --> 00:07:00,090 the Winter Soldier was a great television show. It had phenomenal action, especially that Tunisia 75 00:07:00,110 --> 00:07:04,546 flight scene from the first episode and the dynamic between. The Falcon and the Winter 76 00:07:04,586 --> 00:07:09,169 Soldier is really enjoyable. In fact, it's probably one of the things missing from the recent Brave 77 00:07:09,209 --> 00:07:13,912 New World movie. Yeah, Bucky's cameo in that left a lot to be desired. But yeah, I would 78 00:07:13,932 --> 00:07:17,595 say Falcon and the Winter Soldier is definitely one of Marvel's best television series that 79 00:07:17,615 --> 00:07:23,239 they put out. I love what they did with Baron Zemo. Didn't love Power Broker, but I loved 80 00:07:23,359 --> 00:07:27,902 US Agent and pretty much everything else. I didn't love Flag Smasher either. Oh yeah, that 81 00:07:27,922 --> 00:07:34,174 was dumb. Great answer, Travis Herndon, but the winner of this week's No Prize is... Matt 82 00:07:34,334 --> 00:07:41,039 from Texas who said, Hey guys, it's Matt from Texas. Uh, I would say my favorite Captain 83 00:07:41,079 --> 00:07:47,384 America movie is probably going to be Captain America, the first Avenger is the quintessential 84 00:07:47,424 --> 00:07:52,949 Captain America movie. It's where he gets his start shows who he truly is. And it's world 85 00:07:52,969 --> 00:07:58,653 war II. I love world war II. I study it as a history major. Um, but yeah, that's it. Peace 86 00:07:58,713 --> 00:08:03,864 out. Yeah, a lot of people love Captain America, the first Avenger. It's not personally my favorite 87 00:08:04,004 --> 00:08:08,106 Captain America film, but I could see where a lot of people are coming from when they cite 88 00:08:08,146 --> 00:08:13,068 it as their favorite, because it's probably the most unique film out of the Captain America 89 00:08:13,228 --> 00:08:17,750 MCU franchise. Right. Usually the franchise tends to go down the political thriller route. 90 00:08:18,031 --> 00:08:25,122 But Captain America took a very pulpy approach to World War Two. in the vein of films like 91 00:08:25,182 --> 00:08:29,465 Raiders of the Lost Ark or The Rocketeer. In fact, the guy who directed The First Avenger 92 00:08:29,906 --> 00:08:34,689 also directed The Rocketeer. So there was something very charming about the film and it just had 93 00:08:34,729 --> 00:08:39,932 a lot of heart. Yeah, in my opinion, Captain America, The First Avenger is the way Captain 94 00:08:39,953 --> 00:08:45,456 America movies should be done. These wartime films where Captain America gets to punch Nazis, 95 00:08:45,777 --> 00:08:51,340 seeing him go up against the Red Skull is so iconic. For sure, yeah. So great answer, Matt. 96 00:08:51,641 --> 00:08:55,395 You win this week's snow prize. If you the listener want a shot at winning your own no prize, go 97 00:08:55,415 --> 00:08:59,565 ahead and stay tuned to later on this episode when we'll be asking another question of the 98 00:08:59,585 --> 00:09:02,492 week. And now that that's done, on to the news! 99 00:09:08,034 --> 00:09:13,655 Alright, a few months ago DC Studios announced that it would be releasing a clay face solo 100 00:09:13,675 --> 00:09:20,977 film produced by Matt Reeves who is the director of The Batman. We weren't sure if this movie 101 00:09:20,997 --> 00:09:28,339 was going to take place in the DCU or the Elseworlds universe in which The Batman takes place. We've 102 00:09:28,379 --> 00:09:35,241 since learned that it's going to be a DCU film directed by James Watkins who has directed 103 00:09:35,381 --> 00:09:42,640 other including Speak No Evil, The Woman in Black, and The Descent Part 2. None of which 104 00:09:43,260 --> 00:09:49,063 I have seen. Not a big horror guy. I haven't seen any of those either, but Speak No Evil 105 00:09:49,083 --> 00:09:53,525 with James McAvoy did look pretty solid. I gotta check that out. Yeah, that film did pretty 106 00:09:53,545 --> 00:09:58,587 well critically too, as have several other of his projects. Now, the Clayface film is said 107 00:09:58,627 --> 00:10:05,330 to only have a budget of about $40 million, which is nothing. They're definitely selling 108 00:10:05,370 --> 00:10:10,373 this as a low budget horror project, which, you know, is not terrible. There have been 109 00:10:10,493 --> 00:10:16,036 a lot of great low budget horror films to have come out recently that have gotten a lot of 110 00:10:16,096 --> 00:10:20,979 acclaim. So there is promise here. Oh, yeah, I'm super excited by this. It was interesting 111 00:10:21,019 --> 00:10:27,142 that we got a look at the DCU version of Clayface in the recent Creature Commandos animated series. 112 00:10:27,603 --> 00:10:32,345 As those of you have watched the show will know, Clayface didn't really meet a timely end to 113 00:10:32,385 --> 00:10:36,968 there. but you know, it's really hard to kill Clayface, so I'm certain that he'll be coming 114 00:10:37,008 --> 00:10:42,431 back, but also, this film doesn't have to follow that series, it could be a prequel. Yeah, honestly, 115 00:10:42,531 --> 00:10:48,114 I hope it is. I hope it starts off something closer to the Clayface that we got in the Batman 116 00:10:48,214 --> 00:10:53,537 Caped Crusader animated series just last year. Start there and then move into the Creature 117 00:10:53,557 --> 00:10:57,919 Commandos version of Clayface. I think that's the best way to go. I would agree with that, 118 00:10:57,959 --> 00:11:03,203 yeah. As we've talked about earlier, Clayface is being written by Mike Flanagan who has also 119 00:11:03,243 --> 00:11:08,427 written horror films like Doctor Sleep, The Haunting, The Fall of the House of Usher, and 120 00:11:08,487 --> 00:11:13,211 The Haunting of Hill House, to name a few. The film is set to be released on September 11th 121 00:11:13,392 --> 00:11:20,598 of 2026, so look forward to it then. But speaking of the reveal that James Watkins is set to 122 00:11:20,638 --> 00:11:24,101 direct this film, that brings us to our question of the week. 123 00:11:28,662 --> 00:11:34,125 What horror director would you like to see direct a film for one of Batman's villains? And which 124 00:11:34,185 --> 00:11:39,047 villain? So we're looking for you guys to pair your favorite horror director with your favorite 125 00:11:39,067 --> 00:11:43,150 Batman villain. A lot of options to choose from. We're really interested in hearing what you 126 00:11:43,170 --> 00:11:47,992 guys have to say. Record your answer at dynamicduel.com by clicking on the red microphone button in 127 00:11:48,012 --> 00:11:51,894 the bottom right hand corner of the screen, which will prompt you to leave us a voicemail. 128 00:11:52,235 --> 00:11:56,017 Your message could be up to 30 seconds long, and don't forget to leave your name in case 129 00:11:56,037 --> 00:12:00,752 we include you on the podcast. We'll pick our favorite answer and award that person a dynamic 130 00:12:00,792 --> 00:12:06,797 duel no prize that we'll post to Instagram. Be sure to answer before March 1st. Also in 131 00:12:06,817 --> 00:12:14,144 DC news this past week we got the official trailer for Batman Ninja vs Yakuza League and it looks 132 00:12:14,304 --> 00:12:22,651 so damn epic and bonkers in the best way possible just like the first animated film was. I loved 133 00:12:22,691 --> 00:12:28,300 that movie. I almost gave that movie 5 stars. I still enjoy watching that movie and this 134 00:12:28,340 --> 00:12:34,084 trailer has me really pumped to see the sequel, which looks like it picks up right after the 135 00:12:34,124 --> 00:12:39,308 first one ends. Yeah, I really like how the first Batman Ninja movie really delved into 136 00:12:39,608 --> 00:12:44,331 like medieval history of Japan, right? It took place in a very historical context and now 137 00:12:44,631 --> 00:12:50,616 the sequel takes place in a very modern context. We get to see modern Japan with these Yakuza 138 00:12:50,656 --> 00:12:55,544 gangs going up against each other and I guess Japan was positioned directly over Gotham City 139 00:12:55,804 --> 00:13:00,628 in this world. Right, because Japan is missing on the map. Something they did in the past 140 00:13:00,668 --> 00:13:05,852 in the first movie has altered the present. And it looks like the premise of the film is 141 00:13:05,892 --> 00:13:12,438 that Batman and his team have to go through the Justice League in order to reset reality. 142 00:13:12,498 --> 00:13:17,182 Fantastic premise. I love seeing all the different Justice League characters and their designs. 143 00:13:17,723 --> 00:13:22,943 Everything from Jessica Cruz to Aquaman to Flash and Wonder Woman. look amazing. We haven't 144 00:13:22,983 --> 00:13:27,466 seen Superman yet, though I suspect we will. Maybe he'll be like the big boss at the end. 145 00:13:27,846 --> 00:13:32,709 Yeah, the Shogun. Right, yeah. Russell Gould was really cool to see. I'm sure he's involved 146 00:13:32,729 --> 00:13:37,092 in what's going on in some way. I always love him as a Batman villain, but we also get to 147 00:13:37,112 --> 00:13:41,736 see other Batman villains like the Joker pop up as well. This film is going to be so packed, 148 00:13:42,016 --> 00:13:47,139 like with other characters like Robin and Nightwing and Red Hood, and I'm totally here for it. 149 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:53,572 Yeah, it looks like a lot of fun. The shot where the Japanese Yakuza assassins were being fired 150 00:13:53,612 --> 00:13:59,436 out of this giant like Gatling gun onto Gotham City. Right. It was just so wacky. It's like 151 00:13:59,516 --> 00:14:03,358 nothing that we've ever seen before, right? Yeah, the line by Commissioner Gordon though 152 00:14:03,378 --> 00:14:07,942 was weird where he was like, yeah, it's raining men. I was like, is that a reference to the 153 00:14:08,002 --> 00:14:13,706 song, It's Raining Men? I don't think so. I do have to say though, this trailer definitely 154 00:14:13,726 --> 00:14:19,089 has turned me off to the dubbed version of this movie. The way they released this trailer, 155 00:14:19,518 --> 00:14:24,919 was they showed you the dubbed version and then right after that it was the subtitled version. 156 00:14:25,439 --> 00:14:29,740 Just like with the first film, I imagine I'm absolutely going to prefer the subtitled version 157 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:34,862 of this film just based on this trailer. Yeah, the subbed version is the only version I've 158 00:14:34,902 --> 00:14:40,003 seen of the original Batman Ninja movie. The film is coming out pretty soon here, March 159 00:14:40,103 --> 00:14:49,003 18th on digital and April 15th for the physical versions. If you're a fan of the first I can't 160 00:14:49,063 --> 00:14:52,053 wait to watch it and I can't wait to review it when it's released. 161 00:14:59,326 --> 00:15:02,909 I think that does it for all the news for this episode so let's go ahead and move into our 162 00:15:02,949 --> 00:15:08,254 main event Where we find out who would win in a fight between darksight's team of generals 163 00:15:08,474 --> 00:15:12,497 the elite and Thanos's team of generals the black order 164 00:15:27,886 --> 00:15:34,651 All right, Darksides Elite versus The Black Order. It's about to go down. I'm really excited 165 00:15:34,691 --> 00:15:39,795 for this matchup. Oh yeah, I think this idea was given by our executive producer, Devin 166 00:15:39,835 --> 00:15:44,539 Davis, who comes up with fantastic ideas. And once I heard this one, I was like, oh, hell 167 00:15:44,579 --> 00:15:49,123 yeah. Yeah, I'm a big fan of The Black Order. I think they were the coolest thing to come 168 00:15:49,163 --> 00:15:54,447 out of Jonathan Hickman's Infinity. And I thought they were adapted really well in Avengers Infinity 169 00:15:54,487 --> 00:15:59,912 War and Avengers Endgame. And... Even in video games, there's the Marvel Ultimate Alliance 170 00:15:59,972 --> 00:16:05,937 3 video game in which they're the primary antagonists and it's a whole lot of fun. So I have a real 171 00:16:05,997 --> 00:16:10,901 soft spot in my heart for this team. I think largely because they're just so brutal and 172 00:16:10,921 --> 00:16:15,865 the character designs are so well done. Yeah. And not only did we get to see members of Darkseid's 173 00:16:15,945 --> 00:16:21,570 elite in Zack Snyder's Justice League, but if you grew up watching any form of DC animation, 174 00:16:21,970 --> 00:16:26,113 you're pretty familiar with characters like Granny Goodness and Da'sad and Steppenwolf. 175 00:16:26,326 --> 00:16:31,968 the latter of whom was actually the main antagonist for the Justice League film. In addition to 176 00:16:32,028 --> 00:16:36,490 just like really liking the characters, the primary reason I was pumped to do this episode 177 00:16:36,530 --> 00:16:43,693 is because Marvel needs payback for what happened back in 2018 when Thanos lost to Darkseid in 178 00:16:43,733 --> 00:16:48,595 that duel episode. Spoiler alert! I've never forgotten that and today's the day I make the 179 00:16:48,615 --> 00:16:54,637 world right again. We'll see. I'm actually really curious to see how this match is gonna go and 180 00:16:54,657 --> 00:16:59,311 who's gonna win. It's exciting. But to explain the methodology behind our duels, let's go 181 00:16:59,351 --> 00:17:04,372 to our sentient Duel simulator, Alfred Jarvis 9000. AJ and IK tell our listeners how you 182 00:17:04,412 --> 00:17:10,034 go about determining a winner in our Duel matchups. Yes, of course, sir. The way I determine a 183 00:17:10,054 --> 00:17:15,075 winner between the two teams is by running 1000 Monte Carlo simulations between every character 184 00:17:15,115 --> 00:17:20,497 on each team using their statistics. A Monte Carlo simulation is a probabilistic model used 185 00:17:20,537 --> 00:17:25,695 to determine outcomes through random sampling. In this case, I randomize the statistics along 186 00:17:25,715 --> 00:17:30,339 a normal distribution as a way to simulate the many variables that can occur during battle. 187 00:17:30,719 --> 00:17:35,362 The stat parameters are based on the official Marvel power grid, from which the DC characters' 188 00:17:35,402 --> 00:17:40,586 statistics are extrapolated. Additional stat categories are included such as range, damage 189 00:17:40,606 --> 00:17:46,149 potential, versatility, and perception, in order to create a more detailed and accurate simulation. 190 00:17:46,610 --> 00:17:51,353 The results of the 49,000 simulations provide a percentage of wins for each character on 191 00:17:51,393 --> 00:17:55,951 both teams. The team with the higher average win rate is declared the victor as they have 192 00:17:55,971 --> 00:18:00,773 a higher probability to win any given battle. In an equitable pairing, neither team should 193 00:18:00,813 --> 00:18:05,615 win 100% of the matches. The comic book stories have shown that there's even a way for Batman 194 00:18:05,655 --> 00:18:10,017 to defeat Superman, so the confidence rate of my method falls in line with the precedents 195 00:18:10,057 --> 00:18:15,159 that have been established in the source material. My mathematical simulations are without subjectivity 196 00:18:15,219 --> 00:18:20,681 or bias. Feats are not the sole consideration, nor are fan votes tabulated for determination 197 00:18:20,701 --> 00:18:26,191 of the winner. Thanks, AgenonK! Before we run the simulations though, we like to break down 198 00:18:26,412 --> 00:18:32,855 each team's rosters and histories before improvising a scenario on how we imagine one of the many 199 00:18:32,915 --> 00:18:37,678 simulations would play out beat for beat. And I believe it's my turn to go first with the 200 00:18:37,818 --> 00:18:42,520 Marvel backstory, so let me go ahead and tell you guys all about the Black Order. Thanos' 201 00:18:42,540 --> 00:18:47,363 Black Order is an elite strike force assembled to enforce his will and conquer planets in 202 00:18:47,423 --> 00:18:52,422 his name. Composed of some of the most ruthless and powerful warriors in the universe, The 203 00:18:52,462 --> 00:18:57,823 origins of the Black Order trace back to Thanos' need for a force capable of executing his will 204 00:18:58,163 --> 00:19:03,185 with absolute efficiency. As detailed in his backstory in the duel episode against Darkseid, 205 00:19:03,605 --> 00:19:10,207 Thanos had long commanded vast armies of marauders and warlords, but recognized that brute force 206 00:19:10,247 --> 00:19:15,588 alone would not always guarantee victory. He needed specialists, warriors who could execute 207 00:19:15,608 --> 00:19:20,766 missions with a level of cruelty beyond that of common soldiers. Unlike the armies of the 208 00:19:20,806 --> 00:19:26,650 Chitauri and the Outriders that Thanos deployed en masse, the Black Order functioned as a special 209 00:19:26,730 --> 00:19:32,574 unit who could not only fight but also manipulate, infiltrate, and dominate entire civilizations. 210 00:19:33,055 --> 00:19:37,838 Corvus Glaive was the first member to rise to the challenge. A brilliant strategist and one 211 00:19:37,858 --> 00:19:42,761 of the most vicious warriors in the cosmos, Corvus was granted his namesake weapon by Thanos. 212 00:19:43,342 --> 00:19:48,364 The glaive was sharp enough to split atoms and cut through any substance, including the skin 213 00:19:48,764 --> 00:19:53,887 of immensely powerful beings like the Hulk and Hyperion. More than just a tool of destruction, 214 00:19:54,287 --> 00:20:00,089 the glaive gave Corvus practical immortality. So long as the blade remained intact, he could 215 00:20:00,129 --> 00:20:05,652 not die. His loyalty to Thanos was absolute, and he proved to be the Mad Titan's most trusted 216 00:20:05,712 --> 00:20:12,235 general, leading Thanos' armies in battle. Corvus Glaive's wife, Proxima Midnight, was the deadliest 217 00:20:13,136 --> 00:20:18,159 Black Order. Her mastery of hand-to-hand combat was unparalleled, and her superhuman strength, 218 00:20:18,299 --> 00:20:23,402 speed, and durability made her a match for even the most powerful warriors. Her primary weapon 219 00:20:23,462 --> 00:20:29,426 was a spear forged from a collapsed star, capable of wielding all the equivalent mass and energy. 220 00:20:30,147 --> 00:20:34,990 It functions as a homing projectile when thrown, can fire energy blasts, and can immobilize 221 00:20:35,030 --> 00:20:39,413 opponents with a black energy net. The lethal toxin in its tip could 222 00:20:43,096 --> 00:20:48,499 in existence. Proxima thrived in battle, eager to prove herself superior to any enemy who 223 00:20:48,539 --> 00:20:53,642 dared oppose her. While Glaive and Midnight were instruments of raw power, Ebony Maw was 224 00:20:53,682 --> 00:20:58,805 something else entirely. He was a manipulator, a whisperer capable of unraveling even the 225 00:20:58,866 --> 00:21:04,249 strongest minds. His voice was his greatest weapon, enabling him to override the will of 226 00:21:04,349 --> 00:21:09,332 others and turn them into pawns. In addition to Ebony's persuasive abilities, he possessed 227 00:21:09,392 --> 00:21:15,135 telekinesis, teleportation, and and could conjure fireballs with his hands, further solidifying 228 00:21:15,175 --> 00:21:20,698 his position as one of Thanos' most insidious agents. Black Dwarf, the team's brute force, 229 00:21:20,938 --> 00:21:25,760 possessed unparalleled strength and durability. His unbreakable skin allowed him to withstand 230 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:30,582 the attacks of some of the most powerful beings in the universe. His preferred weapons were 231 00:21:30,602 --> 00:21:35,765 massive bladed and blunt instruments which he wielded with devastating force, most commonly 232 00:21:36,165 --> 00:21:37,846 a giant double-bladed axe. 233 00:21:42,028 --> 00:21:48,232 was a telepathic parasite capable of mind control and mental consumption. Unlike Ebony Maw, who 234 00:21:48,272 --> 00:21:54,016 manipulated minds through persuasion, Supergiant forcibly dominated her victims, feeding on 235 00:21:54,036 --> 00:21:58,439 their intellect. She could seize mental control of entire armies, turning them against their 236 00:21:58,499 --> 00:22:03,562 allies. The Black Order's first major recorded mission was against Ego the Living Planet, 237 00:22:03,943 --> 00:22:08,285 whom Thanos viewed as an offense to death, and whom you can learn more about in his duel against 238 00:22:08,365 --> 00:22:08,466 the 239 00:22:11,568 --> 00:22:16,011 in battle, but the confrontation ended in a stalemate. The Black Order's most infamous 240 00:22:16,031 --> 00:22:21,454 campaign came during Thanos' attack on Earth. With the Avengers occupied in deep space, Thanos 241 00:22:21,494 --> 00:22:26,938 launched a full-scale invasion, using his elite warriors to target strategic locations. His 242 00:22:26,958 --> 00:22:31,921 stated demand was a tribute, that each ruler of Earth was to offer the heads of all younglings 243 00:22:31,961 --> 00:22:38,606 between the ages of 16 and 22. In reality, this was a cover for his true goal, finding his 244 00:22:38,646 --> 00:22:45,670 lost son, Thane. order was assigned to region of Earth to subjugate. Corvus Glaive and Supergiant 245 00:22:45,710 --> 00:22:50,913 attacked the X Mansion seeking information on Thane's location. Proxima Midnight was sent 246 00:22:50,933 --> 00:22:56,836 to Atlantis where she confronted Namor the Sub-Mariner. Black Dwarf was assigned to Wakanda where he 247 00:22:56,876 --> 00:23:01,278 encountered the greatest resistance from forces led by the Black Panther, who repelled his 248 00:23:01,318 --> 00:23:06,801 invasion and forced Black Dwarf to retreat in disgrace. For this failure, Thanos expelled 249 00:23:06,821 --> 00:23:12,226 him from the Black Order. Ebony Maw took a more insidious approach. He infiltrated Doctor Strange's 250 00:23:12,266 --> 00:23:17,373 mind, taking control of the Sorcerer Supreme and using him as an agent to uncover Thane's 251 00:23:17,433 --> 00:23:23,160 whereabouts. Eventually Ebony Maw located Thane as a young man in the hidden inhuman town in 252 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:29,220 Greenland. There he discovered that Thane had not yet undergone pterigenesis, which is an 253 00:23:29,340 --> 00:23:33,923 evolutionary process that you can learn more about in our Shazam versus Black Bolt duel 254 00:23:33,963 --> 00:23:39,646 episode. When Black Bolt detonated a pterigen bomb over Earth, Thane's transformation was 255 00:23:39,686 --> 00:23:45,530 triggered, awakening his devastating abilities. His left hand became a weapon of instant death, 256 00:23:45,610 --> 00:23:50,353 while his right hand could encase victims in a solid amber-like construct that left them 257 00:23:50,453 --> 00:23:57,404 in suspended animation. In an instant, he inadvertently wiped out his entire town. Ebony Maw arrived, 258 00:23:57,544 --> 00:24:02,586 offering Thane a containment suit to control his abilities, but the offer was a deception. 259 00:24:02,967 --> 00:24:07,889 Maw encased Thane in a force field and alerted Thanos to his location. However, when Thanos 260 00:24:07,929 --> 00:24:13,852 arrived to kill his son, Ebony Maw chose to test Thane's potential. He freed him, giving 261 00:24:13,892 --> 00:24:20,155 him a choice, flee or embrace his heritage. Thane chose the latter using his newfound power. 262 00:24:22,376 --> 00:24:27,699 midnight in amber, leaving them in a state of living death. With Thanos defeated, the Black 263 00:24:27,779 --> 00:24:32,082 Order fractured. Corvus Glaive remained with his master while the others scattered, but 264 00:24:32,102 --> 00:24:36,625 their time apart was brief. The cosmic being known as the Challenger reunited the Black 265 00:24:36,705 --> 00:24:41,689 Order, using them in a grand contest against the Grandmaster's Lethal Legion. During the 266 00:24:41,709 --> 00:24:46,212 first round of the contest, the Black Order fought the Lethal Legion for control of Pyramoids, 267 00:24:46,452 --> 00:24:53,116 which were powerful cosmic artifacts placed around the earth. Black Dwarf to secure the 268 00:24:53,196 --> 00:24:58,239 first Pyramoid in Rome. In the second round, the Black Order moved to Antarctica, again 269 00:24:58,259 --> 00:25:02,861 clashing with the Avengers, who forced them to retreat and ultimately brought the contest 270 00:25:03,041 --> 00:25:07,823 to an end. Following the contest, the Black Order regrouped to the planet Angargel, where 271 00:25:07,843 --> 00:25:12,766 they were tasked by an alien resistance with dismantling the alien galactic empire. The 272 00:25:12,786 --> 00:25:18,149 Black Order only accepted as a means to seize the bow of Gabriel, which was a weapon capable 273 00:25:18,189 --> 00:25:23,459 of planetary destruction. Ebony Maw manipulated the Emperor into lowering the planet's defenses, 274 00:25:23,839 --> 00:25:28,982 allowing the Black Order to take the weapon. Corvus Glaive then activated the bow, transforming 275 00:25:29,022 --> 00:25:33,904 Sinar's inhabitants into monsters that destroyed the planet and dismantled their galactic empire. 276 00:25:34,324 --> 00:25:40,147 However, when their task was complete, the Grandmaster arrived and seized the weapon from them. Later, 277 00:25:40,207 --> 00:25:44,889 the Black Order served Hela, the Goddess of Death, who sought to retrieve and resurrect 278 00:25:45,009 --> 00:25:49,551 Thanos. Together, they attacked Starfox and the Guardians of the Galaxy to retrieve the 279 00:25:49,571 --> 00:25:54,475 body and bring bringing the Mad Titan back to life on planet Nowhere. Though they were successful 280 00:25:54,515 --> 00:25:59,078 in restoring their leader, Thanos, Hela, and the Black Order were scattered after being 281 00:25:59,158 --> 00:26:03,060 sucked into a black hole that destroyed the planet. You can learn more about the Guardians 282 00:26:03,100 --> 00:26:08,224 of the Galaxy in their Team Duel episode against the Doom Patrol. Most recently, the Black Order 283 00:26:08,244 --> 00:26:12,867 was tasked by the Intergalactic Council, led by Thanos and assigned with addressing matters 284 00:26:12,907 --> 00:26:17,730 of universal importance to assist the Imperial Guard in stopping the threat of the Phoenix 285 00:26:17,770 --> 00:26:25,054 Force. entity in our Raven versus Phoenix duel episode and that's the Black Order's history. 286 00:26:25,074 --> 00:26:30,697 For this team duel the seven-member roster was mostly easy to come by. Of course it will be 287 00:26:30,777 --> 00:26:36,360 led by Thanos the Mad Titan with his immense strength and durability, cosmic energies, matter 288 00:26:36,380 --> 00:26:41,854 manipulation, vast intelligence, and incalculable evil. The original members are also on the 289 00:26:41,894 --> 00:26:47,378 roster, including Corvus Glaive with his Adam-splitting blade, enhanced physicals, and strategic mind. 290 00:26:47,778 --> 00:26:53,842 Next is Proxima Midnight, wielder of her star-powered spear, enhanced physicals, and combat mastery. 291 00:26:54,342 --> 00:27:00,326 Also on the team is Ebony Maw with his persuasive voice, telekinesis, fireball generation, and 292 00:27:00,426 --> 00:27:06,409 genius intellect. Then we have Black Dwarf, who I'm gonna call Cull Obsidian for this match. 293 00:27:07,062 --> 00:27:12,344 I'm taking a cue from the movies and the video games and acknowledge that the name Black Dwarf 294 00:27:12,644 --> 00:27:18,026 is a horrible name for a brutish alien warrior. And I already know that one of the nicknames 295 00:27:18,066 --> 00:27:23,189 for the Black Order itself in the comics was the Kull Obsidian, so it can get confusing, 296 00:27:23,429 --> 00:27:29,852 but for this match, Black Dwarf shall henceforth be known as Kull Obsidian. He wields a giant 297 00:27:29,872 --> 00:27:35,690 double-bladed axe, has vast strength and durability with unbreakable skin. Rounding out the original 298 00:27:35,730 --> 00:27:40,832 team is Supergiant, who never made an appearance in the MCU, but she's the team resident telepath 299 00:27:41,212 --> 00:27:46,235 who can mentally possess entire legions and psychically devour their minds. For the seventh 300 00:27:46,355 --> 00:27:51,137 and final member of the team, I was thinking of going with Black Swan, who was a recurring 301 00:27:51,217 --> 00:27:55,999 member of the Black Order, but I found her power set to be too vague, with like, some energy 302 00:27:56,039 --> 00:28:01,361 manipulation, some telepathy, some strength. Instead I decided to go with Thanos' son himself, 303 00:28:01,501 --> 00:28:05,626 Thane. who has never actually been a member of the Black Order in the comics, but he has 304 00:28:05,646 --> 00:28:10,868 been heavily involved with them, and he aligned himself with Ebony Maw in the books, and he 305 00:28:11,048 --> 00:28:16,029 allied with the whole team in the video game Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3, wherein Thane is 306 00:28:16,109 --> 00:28:21,571 actually the final villain. Plus his power set of having essentially an Omega effect touch 307 00:28:21,591 --> 00:28:26,032 with one arm, and an Amber Energy construct generation effect with the other arm is pretty 308 00:28:26,052 --> 00:28:33,630 cool. So that's my team. Thanos, Corvus Glaive, Proxima Midnight. Ebony Maw, Cull Obsidian, 309 00:28:34,191 --> 00:28:40,413 Supergiant, and Thane. Yeah, Cull Obsidian is a way better name than Black Dwarf. I do have 310 00:28:40,433 --> 00:28:45,375 to say though, Supergiant is super confusing considering what the character looks like. 311 00:28:45,395 --> 00:28:50,598 I was thrown for a loop with that one. Yeah, I mean, she's not a giant, right? She's a telepath, 312 00:28:50,918 --> 00:28:56,240 a psychic vampire. Real weird. DC doesn't have that problem. I'm pretty sure that some of 313 00:28:56,260 --> 00:29:01,014 the names of Darkseid's elite are pretty stupid too, like Granny Goodness. Hell yeah. The fuck 314 00:29:01,034 --> 00:29:06,735 is that? Terrifying is what it is. Nothing more sinister than grandma's goodies. Wait, what? 315 00:29:06,855 --> 00:29:12,757 What the fuck did you just say? Well, let's erase that from our minds by moving on to the 316 00:29:12,797 --> 00:29:20,299 backstory of Darkseid's elite, whose history is closely tied to Darkseid himself. Actually 317 00:29:20,339 --> 00:29:25,241 had a really hard time trying to separate the history of the team from its leader. It was 318 00:29:25,301 --> 00:29:30,211 not possible. So there's a lot of reach right here. Just bear with me. Now Apocalypse, a 319 00:29:30,311 --> 00:29:36,176 desolate world of fire and suffering, was forged from the remnants of a dead pantheon. When 320 00:29:36,196 --> 00:29:42,561 the Old Gods waged war in a catastrophic conflict known as Ragnarok, their homeworld was torn 321 00:29:42,621 --> 00:29:49,628 asunder, and from its ruins emerged two new planets. New Genesis, a utopian paradise under 322 00:29:49,648 --> 00:29:55,413 the guidance of Highfather, and Apocalypse, a burning wasteland where only the ruthless 323 00:29:55,453 --> 00:30:00,496 had survived. For centuries, Apocalypse was ruled by Deathspots, who sought nothing but 324 00:30:00,556 --> 00:30:07,079 war and suffering, but none were as cruel or ambitious as Darkseid, who seized power through 325 00:30:07,119 --> 00:30:13,062 betrayal, orchestrating the deaths of his own mother, Queen Hegra, and his pacifist brother 326 00:30:13,202 --> 00:30:20,266 Drax. As the new god of tyranny, Darkseid reshaped Apocalypse into a world of oppression and forced 327 00:30:20,326 --> 00:30:27,130 obedience, powered by its fire pits which fed on the very essence of its suffering To enforce 328 00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:33,916 his iron rule, Darkseid assembled his elite, a collection of generals, assassins, torturers, 329 00:30:34,016 --> 00:30:39,700 and warlords, whose authority was second only to his own. Together, Darkseid's elite carried 330 00:30:39,741 --> 00:30:45,806 out their master's will across the cosmos, ensuring that no world defied him and the apocalypse 331 00:30:46,106 --> 00:30:52,351 remained the ultimate monument to his dominion. As Darkseid consolidated his rule over apocalypse, 332 00:30:52,691 --> 00:30:58,672 he turned his attention toward universal domination. provoking war with New Genesis and other worlds. 333 00:30:59,112 --> 00:31:04,656 His uncle, Steppenwolf, led the first major assault, hunting the new gods of New Genesis 334 00:31:04,676 --> 00:31:12,001 for sport and killing Avia, the wife of High Father Izaya. This act ignited a long and brutal 335 00:31:12,041 --> 00:31:17,044 war between the two planets with Darkseid's forces locked in an eternal struggle against 336 00:31:17,104 --> 00:31:22,288 their celestial counterparts. When the seemingly endless war between Apocalypse and New Genesis 337 00:31:22,648 --> 00:31:28,587 raged toward an unavoidable stalemate, Darkseid and Highfather struck a temporary truce known 338 00:31:28,667 --> 00:31:34,610 as the Pact, exchanging their newborn sons. Orion was sent to New Genesis, while Scott 339 00:31:34,670 --> 00:31:40,233 Free, aka Mr. Miracle, was raised in Granny Goodness's orphanage. You can learn more about 340 00:31:40,314 --> 00:31:45,576 Orion and Mr. Miracle in their respective duels against the Silver Surfer and Adam Warlock. 341 00:31:45,897 --> 00:31:51,279 Darkseid's truce did little to halt his ambitions, however, and when Scott Free eventually escaped 342 00:31:51,339 --> 00:31:59,184 Apocalypse and fled to Earth, as both a battleground and a testing ground for his greater plans, 343 00:31:59,464 --> 00:32:05,807 as he believed Earth held fragments of the anti-life equation within the minds of his people. His 344 00:32:05,847 --> 00:32:12,931 forces, led by Glorious Godfrey, infiltrated human society, using the media and mass manipulation 345 00:32:12,971 --> 00:32:19,295 to turn the population against their own protectors. Godfrey's words nearly succeeded in suing the 346 00:32:19,335 --> 00:32:25,078 people of Earth, but he was ultimately defeated by Earth's heroes. At the same time, Darkseid's 347 00:32:25,118 --> 00:32:30,879 scientists, including Desaad and Dr. Bedlam, experimented with new methods of psychological 348 00:32:30,939 --> 00:32:37,161 warfare. Bedlam introduced the Paranoid Pill, a substance capable of inducing mass hysteria, 349 00:32:37,481 --> 00:32:42,803 while Desaad's torturous experiments produced technological monstrosities to enforce Darkseid's 350 00:32:42,843 --> 00:32:49,324 rule. Granny Goodness, the overseer of Apocalypse's orphanages, trained warriors to serve in Darkseid's 351 00:32:49,464 --> 00:32:55,346 armies, conditioning them into mindless soldiers devoted to his cause. Over the years, Darkseid 352 00:32:55,366 --> 00:33:00,609 clashed with Earth's heroes, particularly Superman, whose power made him one of the few beings 353 00:33:00,649 --> 00:33:06,791 capable of challenging his tyranny and might. Timing again, Darkseid's elite led invasions 354 00:33:06,831 --> 00:33:12,474 of Earth, attempting to bring the planet under apocalyptic rule. Darkseid's armies of parademons, 355 00:33:12,714 --> 00:33:17,956 commanded by Steppenwolf and Darkseid's son, Kelebek, descended upon Earth only to be repelled 356 00:33:18,236 --> 00:33:22,318 by the combined might of the Justice League. which you can learn more about in the team 357 00:33:22,359 --> 00:33:27,702 duel Justice League vs Avengers. Darkseid's obsession with the Anti-Life Equation remained 358 00:33:27,742 --> 00:33:33,566 his driving goal, leading to numerous conflicts with Earth's greatest minds and heroes. He 359 00:33:33,626 --> 00:33:38,770 sought to uncover its secrets through direct assaults, cosmic manipulations, and alliances 360 00:33:39,050 --> 00:33:44,754 with other dark forces. Apocalypse was briefly abandoned when Darkseid and his people were 361 00:33:44,814 --> 00:33:50,842 slain by an unknown force, the Infinity Man acting on behalf of the Source. The New God 362 00:33:50,862 --> 00:33:56,727 Spirits fell to Earth where they were reborn in mortal bodies. Darkseid took on the identity 363 00:33:57,007 --> 00:34:02,411 of Boss Darkseid, spreading corruption from the shadows while plotting the resurrection 364 00:34:02,492 --> 00:34:08,196 of his true form, which he eventually obtained along with the completed anti-life equation. 365 00:34:08,697 --> 00:34:14,121 As every living being within the universe became transformed into Darkseid's mindless slaves, 366 00:34:14,542 --> 00:34:23,940 reality itself began falling apart. a Radion bullet before seemingly dying himself to Darkseid's 367 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:30,804 Omega-sanctioned power. When a Flashpoint event reset DC's continuity, Darkseid and his elite 368 00:34:30,864 --> 00:34:36,707 returned, though Darkseid's new war was not against New Genesis nor against Earth, which 369 00:34:36,747 --> 00:34:42,810 he had already failed to conquer, but against a rival god, the Anti-Monitor, an embodiment 370 00:34:43,010 --> 00:34:48,953 of antimatter and destruction. The Anti-Monitor, once the greatest threat to the multiverse, 371 00:34:49,194 --> 00:34:54,855 had been transformed by the corrupted Amazon named Grail, Darkseid's own secret daughter. 372 00:34:55,255 --> 00:35:00,817 The battle between Darkseid and the Anti-Monitor played out across multiple worlds, culminating 373 00:35:01,137 --> 00:35:07,558 in a direct confrontation on Earth. Darkseid, wielding his Omega Effect, attempted to destroy 374 00:35:07,579 --> 00:35:13,260 his rival, but the Anti-Monitor had evolved, now wielding the Anti-Life Equation itself. 375 00:35:13,540 --> 00:35:19,518 At the height of battle, the Anti-Monitor turned the Anti-Life Equation upon Darkseid Unmaking 376 00:35:19,558 --> 00:35:26,341 Kim completely. With Darkseid's death, Apocalypse fell into chaos. Calleback, Steppenwolf, and 377 00:35:26,381 --> 00:35:32,603 Grail all fought for control, but the most shocking development came when Grail resurrected Darkseid, 378 00:35:32,823 --> 00:35:39,586 not as a god, but as an infant. For a time, Apocalypse had no true ruler, as Grail raised 379 00:35:39,626 --> 00:35:45,609 the child Darkseid, sacrificing old gods to feed his power. Over time, Darkseid grew into 380 00:35:45,629 --> 00:35:51,934 an adult once more. eventually killing Zeus himself to reclaim his godhood. But Darkseid 381 00:35:51,954 --> 00:35:58,079 was no longer content with mere conquest. He sought to harness the Great Darkness, the primordial 382 00:35:58,139 --> 00:36:04,524 force from before creation. However, Darkseid soon discovered that he was not its master, 383 00:36:04,824 --> 00:36:10,849 he was its pawn. The Great Darkness consumed him, turning Darkseid and his elite into servants 384 00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:17,159 of an even greater force. Now, under the control of the Darkness itself, Darkseid led a final 385 00:36:17,219 --> 00:36:22,523 invasion of Earth, seeking to eliminate its heroes once and for all. Though he was eventually 386 00:36:22,603 --> 00:36:29,108 freed from the darkness' control, Darkseid disappeared into its void, leaving Apocalypse once again 387 00:36:29,449 --> 00:36:35,534 without its ruler. With Darkseid gone, Apocalypse remained a world on the edge of collapse, its 388 00:36:35,574 --> 00:36:45,098 elite vying for power, waiting for the inevitable return of their god. For Darkseid is. I've 389 00:36:45,118 --> 00:36:50,239 selected the most prominent figures within Darkseid's elite, each of whom play a critical role in 390 00:36:50,299 --> 00:36:56,161 Darkseid's Universal Conquest. Of course there's Darkseid himself, ruler of Apocalypse, but 391 00:36:56,261 --> 00:37:02,962 also his right-hand man Desaad, Darkseid's chief torturer and scientist responsible for developing 392 00:37:03,043 --> 00:37:08,344 advanced weaponry and psychological warfare. I'm also including Granny Goodness, the ruthless 393 00:37:08,364 --> 00:37:15,026 commander of Apocalypse's orphanages, and Darkseid's personal guard, the Female Furies. Also, Darkseid's 394 00:37:15,086 --> 00:37:21,772 uncle Steppenwolf, Apocalypse's seasoned general and tactician, and Kanto, the planet's master 395 00:37:21,812 --> 00:37:28,377 assassin. Darkseid's brutish, firstborn son, Calleback, will bring added brawn to this fight, 396 00:37:28,457 --> 00:37:36,104 while Dr. Bedlam brings added brains as a psionic entity. So to recap, it's Darkseid, Desaad, 397 00:37:36,464 --> 00:37:43,906 Granny Goodness, Steppenwolf, Kanto, Calleback, and Dr. Bedlam on this team. I like that team. 398 00:37:44,086 --> 00:37:48,990 That's a pretty good team. I think there's good analogs between them and the Black Order, especially 399 00:37:49,010 --> 00:37:55,395 when you pair Supergiant with Dr. Bedlam. And I think you could pair Thane with Kanto. And 400 00:37:55,435 --> 00:38:00,839 Kalebak with Cull Obsidian, and especially Desaad vs Ebony Maw. I think that's the pairing that 401 00:38:00,879 --> 00:38:06,183 works the best. There's also Steppenwolf against Corvus Glaive and Proxima Midnight with Granny 402 00:38:06,203 --> 00:38:09,625 Goodness. It's fate. It's fate how good these pairings match up. 403 00:38:16,614 --> 00:38:22,682 fantasies collide and heroes clash, one podcast network rises above the rest. Prepare yourself 404 00:38:22,902 --> 00:38:29,010 for the ultimate showdowns in comic books, video games, movies, and anime. 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AJ9K, what are the rules of our speculation? 413 00:39:20,738 --> 00:39:24,819 Well, I should say there are no rules other than the teams have no prior knowledge of the 414 00:39:24,919 --> 00:39:29,621 other going into the fight. All they are aware of starting out is that the other side is a 415 00:39:29,681 --> 00:39:34,622 threat that needs to be eliminated. For the speculation, Groups will begin approximately 416 00:39:34,682 --> 00:39:39,385 50 meters apart in a nondescript environment that will have no bearing on the match itself, 417 00:39:39,826 --> 00:39:44,769 as no environmental statistics are considered in my simulations. The teams must earn victory 418 00:39:44,789 --> 00:39:49,412 on their own merit. All right, then let's get into it. Darkseid's elite and the Black Order 419 00:39:49,532 --> 00:39:55,816 meet on the battlefield. Who goes first? I'm gonna say Darkseid starts off with his Omega 420 00:39:55,836 --> 00:40:02,333 Beams, of course. What? So right away. Two red energy beams shoot out from his eyes, zigzagging 421 00:40:02,373 --> 00:40:07,737 across the arena and passing through each member of the Black Order, just disintegrating them. 422 00:40:08,258 --> 00:40:15,084 Match over! You cheating ass bastard. What happened to escalation during these speculations, right? 423 00:40:15,104 --> 00:40:21,209 I'm gonna say that the Omega beams approach Corvus Glaive first, and he's gonna defend 424 00:40:21,249 --> 00:40:26,373 himself with his glaive, which is sharp enough, as I said, to cut through anything, even atoms. 425 00:40:27,054 --> 00:40:32,216 And yeah, they could even cut through energy like these Omega beams. What the blade is going 426 00:40:32,236 --> 00:40:37,738 to cut through Darkseid's beams and split them. And they go off course and miss their mark. 427 00:40:37,758 --> 00:40:45,381 Dude, the Omega beams do not miss. But even if the Omega beams can be cut by Corvus's blade, 428 00:40:45,861 --> 00:40:50,723 someone still dies because one of the split beams is just going to make a return zigzag 429 00:40:50,763 --> 00:40:57,586 trip and blast. I don't know, the psychic chick super giant. So she's out of the man. The Omega 430 00:40:57,626 --> 00:41:02,508 beams suck, okay? They're a cheap ass attack. Thanos is not gonna have any part of that shit 431 00:41:02,588 --> 00:41:09,011 So he raises his fist and each member of Darksides Elite are gonna raise into the air with this 432 00:41:09,071 --> 00:41:15,173 blue Energy aura around them due to Thanos's telekinesis, right? He's lifting him telekinetically 433 00:41:15,493 --> 00:41:20,515 and then Thanos is gonna slam Darksides Elite down with a force. That's so hard It's gonna 434 00:41:20,576 --> 00:41:25,157 crack the planet that they're on. So now they're all fighting in like this Grand Canyon. Okay 435 00:41:25,522 --> 00:41:32,126 I mean, Thanos lifts and slams everyone he can see, which is not Kanto, who happens to be 436 00:41:32,406 --> 00:41:38,991 Darkseid's expert assassin and a master of stealth. So despite the planet cracking, Kanto delivers 437 00:41:39,051 --> 00:41:46,396 this surprise attack with his apocalyptic sword and slashes Thanos fist right off. And he follows 438 00:41:46,436 --> 00:41:52,201 up with a series of rapid slashes right across Thanos chest. Oh, shit. He fucked up there 439 00:41:52,221 --> 00:41:56,916 because Cull Obsidian. is not cool with his boss's hands just getting chopped off, okay? 440 00:41:57,456 --> 00:42:03,780 So he leaps over to Kanto, and with a mighty swing of his giant battle axe, he chops off 441 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:09,364 Kanto's head with just one whack, and that thing goes flying. Kanto's out of the match now, 442 00:42:10,045 --> 00:42:14,428 and Thanos, you know, he'll be fine. He's gonna heal those chest slashes real quick. Okay, 443 00:42:14,528 --> 00:42:20,772 well, meanwhile, Dr. Bedlam, who's this, you know, invisible, psychic energy being, is currently 444 00:42:20,832 --> 00:42:26,953 controlling six different androids. known as Animants, and they're all curb-stopping Thane 445 00:42:26,993 --> 00:42:32,237 right now, just pummeling him to death. No, no, no. Because Proxima Midnight sees Thane 446 00:42:32,277 --> 00:42:37,462 being attacked, and before the androids can kill Thane, she hurls her sun-powered spear 447 00:42:37,522 --> 00:42:43,827 toward them, and as the spear flies, it's gonna emanate the solar flare energy that arcs out 448 00:42:44,047 --> 00:42:49,212 and strikes the entire android group, just frying their circuits. And then the spear's gonna 449 00:42:49,272 --> 00:42:55,872 lodge into the real Dr. Bedlam. impaling him into the canyon wall that they're in and taking 450 00:42:55,893 --> 00:43:01,216 him out of this match. Well there is no like real Dr. Bedlam, he just imparts his form on 451 00:43:01,436 --> 00:43:06,900 one anime specifically, but sure we'll say that was the one that got impaled. But yeah now 452 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:12,604 Proxima Mindaig is without her weapon right so Granny Goodness is gonna take advantage 453 00:43:12,644 --> 00:43:18,588 of her disarmament and blast a hole right through her torso with a beam from her apocalyptic 454 00:43:18,608 --> 00:43:28,083 staff so Proxima's out. Okay. Oh, suddenly Granny Goodness gets her whole head bashed in by Calaback, 455 00:43:28,403 --> 00:43:35,365 Darkseid's son himself, and her own teammate. What? Because as the battle was going on, Ebony 456 00:43:35,405 --> 00:43:40,787 Ma weaseled his way over to Calaback and whispered into his ear, reminding him how much he hates 457 00:43:40,807 --> 00:43:46,048 that old bag and convinced him to play Whack-a-Mole with her head. So Granny Goodness is now out 458 00:43:46,088 --> 00:43:50,249 of the match. You know, I actually believe that he probably does hate her. Everyone hates her. 459 00:43:50,646 --> 00:43:54,528 But also that's elder abuse, by the way. Now, while that's going on, Steppenwolf, you know, 460 00:43:54,588 --> 00:43:59,951 he noticed Kull Obsidian with his axe. And so Steppenwolf is going to attack him with his 461 00:44:00,091 --> 00:44:06,574 own powerful electro axe, starting by slamming it into the ground near Kull, which is going 462 00:44:06,594 --> 00:44:11,597 to cause the shockwave that knocks him into the air. And Steppenwolf is going to follow 463 00:44:11,697 --> 00:44:18,461 up by hurling his axe like quick as lightning right at Kull, just slicing him into midair. 464 00:44:19,862 --> 00:44:25,483 How sharp is Steppenwolf's axe? Cause Kull is like really durable. It can literally cut through 465 00:44:25,563 --> 00:44:31,825 any material. But can it cut through atoms? Sure, why the fuck not? You are a liar, sir. 466 00:44:31,845 --> 00:44:38,727 Okay, but anyway, guess what? Super giant, she's still on the battlefield. She's such a powerful 467 00:44:38,847 --> 00:44:44,728 omnipath that even if her body's destroyed, she survives as a psionic spirit. So the only 468 00:44:44,768 --> 00:44:50,762 thing Dark Sight's Omega Beam did to her was make her intangible. So like as this psionic 469 00:44:51,122 --> 00:44:57,185 entity, she's gonna read the mind of Darkseid, and therefore she learns the secret to the 470 00:44:57,265 --> 00:45:02,527 Omega effect, and she's gonna feed that information to Thanos, who's all healed up by this point, 471 00:45:02,847 --> 00:45:08,409 and Thanos is gonna augment his own cosmic powers to mimic the energy wavelength of Darkseid's 472 00:45:08,449 --> 00:45:14,592 Omega Beams. So then, Thanos, straight up Omega Beams, Steppenwolf, the fuck outta here. What 473 00:45:14,632 --> 00:45:22,624 the heck? That's right. Okay, well. Dr. Bedlam has been floating around as a disembodied energy 474 00:45:22,664 --> 00:45:29,248 bank too, just like Supergiant. And since Desaad was able to repair one of his android bodies 475 00:45:29,368 --> 00:45:35,091 during this battle, Bedlam is going to be able to take control of that again, fully aware 476 00:45:35,491 --> 00:45:43,155 of what Supergiant did. So he's going to unleash one of his paranoid pills on Thanos. And his 477 00:45:43,215 --> 00:45:50,047 fumes cause Thanos to not only blast Corvus Glaive into oblivion, but also the stress causes 478 00:45:50,107 --> 00:45:57,231 Thanos to forget how to use the Omega effect. Well that's convenient. If Dr. Bedlam is aware 479 00:45:57,311 --> 00:46:03,414 of Supergiant, she's going to be aware of him, and she's a psychic parasite, so she's going 480 00:46:03,434 --> 00:46:08,717 to latch onto him and devour his mind. So now Dr. Bedlam is officially gone from this match 481 00:46:08,777 --> 00:46:15,341 now. Oh, well, Supergiant, you know, she seems to know so much, she'll probably go for Darkseid's 482 00:46:15,401 --> 00:46:21,825 mind next, right? Since- He's the leader. Sure. Except surprise, she's going to get tricked 483 00:46:21,865 --> 00:46:28,191 by Dessahd's psychic manipulations into going for his own mind, since he cast a mental illusion 484 00:46:28,231 --> 00:46:33,175 to disguise himself as Darkseid. And that's something he does all the time in the comics. 485 00:46:33,735 --> 00:46:39,160 So Supergiant, instead of psychically attacking Darkseid, she's going to get sucked into a 486 00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:45,605 psychic torture device that Dessahd engineered. And so her psionic form is going to get absorbed. 487 00:46:45,930 --> 00:46:53,472 and converted into energy that Dasad weaponizes against Ebony Maw. He's going to use that device 488 00:46:53,492 --> 00:47:00,334 to blast him with beams of energy. Wait, okay. You lost me. So Dasad made a device that can 489 00:47:00,434 --> 00:47:06,215 somehow torture minds, but also convert them into energy and then also blast them out as 490 00:47:06,235 --> 00:47:11,517 a weapon. Yes. That's pretty convenient, don't you think? Oh, I'm sorry. Your feeble mind 491 00:47:11,557 --> 00:47:18,845 can't comprehend fourth world technology. stupid. Ebony Maw is just going to teleport out of 492 00:47:18,865 --> 00:47:22,988 the way of Dessod's blast and then he's going to counter with a volley of fireballs. Okay, 493 00:47:23,468 --> 00:47:29,854 except without realizing it, Ebony Maw teleported in front of Kelebek, who, you know, remembers 494 00:47:29,874 --> 00:47:36,819 how Ebony manipulated him earlier and Kelebek is going to straight up slam his club straight 495 00:47:36,859 --> 00:47:43,365 down onto Ebony from behind like a hammer to a nail, just creating this Ebony smear on the 496 00:47:43,385 --> 00:47:52,478 ground beneath him. Alright, uh, well meanwhile Thane approaches Desaud and he's gonna snatch 497 00:47:52,498 --> 00:47:57,881 him with his right hand which puts Desaud into this amber energy construct which basically 498 00:47:58,061 --> 00:48:03,584 traps him forever in a state of living death and now the only mind that Desaud can torture 499 00:48:03,644 --> 00:48:08,206 is his own for all eternity. And then Thane approaches Kelebak and grabs him with his left 500 00:48:08,246 --> 00:48:13,349 hand which just instantly kills Kelebak. So these guys got the old one-two combo here from 501 00:48:13,409 --> 00:48:19,485 Thane, you know, death. for Kalebeck and a fate worse than death for Dasan. Okay, well speaking 502 00:48:19,805 --> 00:48:26,089 of living death, Thane is going to suddenly be zapped by Darkseid's Omega Beams, which 503 00:48:26,170 --> 00:48:32,274 zigzagged their way behind him and delivered Darkseid's Omega Sanction. So now Thane is 504 00:48:32,334 --> 00:48:39,779 trapped in an eternal and torturous cycle of pain, death, and rebirth across alternate realities. 505 00:48:40,319 --> 00:48:47,435 That's what the Omega Sanction does? Yeah. Well... So it's just Thanos and Darkseid exactly how 506 00:48:47,515 --> 00:48:53,938 I wanted. Oh, me too pal, me too. Revenge is gonna be so sweet because the paranoid pill 507 00:48:54,258 --> 00:48:59,480 that Bedlam used on Thanos that wears off by this point and he remembers how to use this 508 00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:07,004 omega sanction himself. So the turntables have turned and Thanos puts Darkseid into this omega 509 00:49:07,044 --> 00:49:12,326 sanction and just relishes in the endless death and defeat of his foe. So the match is over. 510 00:49:12,587 --> 00:49:19,012 Thanos beats Darkseid. If I could drop my podcast mic, I would. Oh, you should. Like you should 511 00:49:19,192 --> 00:49:25,398 drop it and never pick it up again, because you sound stupid. Darkseid would just generate 512 00:49:25,458 --> 00:49:31,723 a boom tube between him and Thanos, as well as like a second portal behind Thanos. So Thanos 513 00:49:31,763 --> 00:49:37,909 is just going to omega sanction himself like the purple bitch he is. Match over. Oh, shit, 514 00:49:37,949 --> 00:49:43,053 I think you forgot. that I mentioned that Corvus Glaive can't die if his blade isn't destroyed. 515 00:49:43,093 --> 00:49:47,497 So while Darkseid thinks he just won the fight, he's going to find himself straight up sliced 516 00:49:47,537 --> 00:49:54,242 in half by Corvus Glaive, who was resurrected by his weapon. So now the match is over and 517 00:49:54,282 --> 00:50:00,748 the joke's on you. But why? I think the joke's actually on you because Thanos did, in fact, 518 00:50:00,848 --> 00:50:05,512 destroy Corvus's blade when he killed him, you know, under the influence of the paranoid pills. 519 00:50:05,592 --> 00:50:10,875 So sorry, but no. Well, we'll see what actually happens. We'll go ahead and run the stats on 520 00:50:10,895 --> 00:50:16,998 these teams to find out who will win. And either Corvus Glaive resurrects and slices Darkseid 521 00:50:17,038 --> 00:50:22,962 in two, or Corvus Glaive does not resurrect because his weapon was destroyed. Right, it 522 00:50:22,982 --> 00:50:27,884 all comes down to whether Thanos destroyed Corvus' weapon, which I'm sure he did. Let's go ahead 523 00:50:27,904 --> 00:50:34,668 and run the stats and come back with a winner. Hey G9K, hit it. Inputting data, running calculations, 524 00:50:35,148 --> 00:50:41,296 processing results, simulations complete. All right, that was a fun matchup, a really close 525 00:50:41,356 --> 00:50:45,940 matchup, surprisingly close after we put in all the stats. Well, I mean, it wasn't too 526 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:52,585 surprising that Darkseid was the most powerful on either of our rosters. Yeah, Darkseid ended 527 00:50:52,625 --> 00:50:59,911 up winning 89.1% of all of his matches, basically nine out of 10 fights against the Black Order 528 00:50:59,951 --> 00:51:05,875 and Thanos. Darkseid won. He's a big ass cheater character. I mean not by much because Thanos 529 00:51:05,955 --> 00:51:12,461 wasn't too far behind in his win rate, winning 87.1% of his matches. Yeah, they're definitely 530 00:51:12,481 --> 00:51:16,844 the most powerful characters on their respective teams, just wiping the floor with the other 531 00:51:16,964 --> 00:51:21,108 respective generals. Now what I thought was interesting was that while I had probably the 532 00:51:21,148 --> 00:51:26,872 more balanced team, on your side you had the most powerful characters in Proxima, Midnight, 533 00:51:27,153 --> 00:51:32,357 and Supergiant, but also the weakest when it came to Thane. Yeah, Thane actually wasn't 534 00:51:32,397 --> 00:51:37,975 impressive. Statistically at all which makes me hope that I didn't choose incorrectly in 535 00:51:38,015 --> 00:51:44,458 picking him for this team duel because Yeah, he has massive damage potential with the abilities 536 00:51:44,498 --> 00:51:50,120 of both of his arms And he has you know enhanced physicals being an inhuman but other than that 537 00:51:50,521 --> 00:51:55,823 he's not too impressive Statistically compared to the new gods, you know things like his evasiveness 538 00:51:56,183 --> 00:52:01,565 and perception just weren't that great Yeah, he only won twenty point eight percent of his 539 00:52:01,625 --> 00:52:06,056 matches He was kind of my wild card for this team duel though. I don't know if I really 540 00:52:06,136 --> 00:52:10,939 had a wild card. I was kind of surprised that my weakest character was Kanto. I thought it 541 00:52:10,959 --> 00:52:17,544 was going to be Dasad because I figured he was the least warrior-esque of the group, but it 542 00:52:17,584 --> 00:52:23,969 turns out he's pretty smart and Kanto is pretty unimpressive. Yeah, the guy just carries a 543 00:52:24,009 --> 00:52:28,812 sword and wears a ridiculous Renaissance fair outfit. I gotta say, he definitely does not 544 00:52:28,892 --> 00:52:34,753 look like Darkseid's chief assassin. That's exactly what he wants you to think. I think 545 00:52:34,793 --> 00:52:39,277 the biggest discrepancy between the team stats was versatility. Marvel's guys were way more 546 00:52:39,297 --> 00:52:45,802 versatile than DC's guys. And durability, actually DC's guys were way more durable overall than 547 00:52:45,842 --> 00:52:51,167 the Marvel team, largely because Darkseid's durability is off the charts. And also they're 548 00:52:51,207 --> 00:52:58,413 all new gods, whereas the Black Order are a pretty diverse group of aliens from across 549 00:52:58,453 --> 00:53:02,510 the universe. So I actually wasn't surprised that they were more versatile. Considering 550 00:53:02,630 --> 00:53:07,292 all the results, all the stats, Jonathan, who's winning this match? Do you think? I think it's 551 00:53:07,312 --> 00:53:13,173 going to be really close. I'm not sure who's going to win, but I really hope it's Darksides 552 00:53:13,213 --> 00:53:18,615 Elite because I just really don't want him to lose to Thanos. I hate Thanos. Dude sucks. 553 00:53:18,915 --> 00:53:26,657 And I think our poll takers on Instagram agree because 64% of them voted in favor of Darksides 554 00:53:26,697 --> 00:53:34,700 Elite over the Black Order. The fools! AG9K, the results please. Here you are, sir. Alright, 555 00:53:34,780 --> 00:53:45,045 the winner in this team matchup between DarkSide's Elite and the Black Order is... DarkSide's 556 00:53:45,125 --> 00:53:53,669 Elite. Yes! It was pretty close though. Out of 1,000 matches, DarkSide's Elite beat the 557 00:53:53,709 --> 00:54:03,322 Black Order. 511 times. So their win rate was 51.1% over the Black Order's 48.9%. Yeah, they 558 00:54:03,342 --> 00:54:09,165 only won 489 out of the 1000 battles. Oh wow, that's not pretty close. That's really close. 559 00:54:10,086 --> 00:54:16,389 I figured it would be, but it's still surprising. Thanos just cannot beat Darkseid. What the 560 00:54:16,469 --> 00:54:21,932 fuck? What does he gotta do to beat this guy? Nothing, he can't. There's nothing he could 561 00:54:21,972 --> 00:54:26,839 do. Just accept it already. Is he gonna have to pull out his Infinity Gauntlet again? Like 562 00:54:26,859 --> 00:54:32,241 he did last time? Oh, does Darkseid need to pull out his Anti-Life Equation? No, it's not 563 00:54:32,261 --> 00:54:35,462 gonna do anything to the Infinity Gauntlet. It's gonna- I think we've already established 564 00:54:35,502 --> 00:54:41,705 this. Yes it is. It's gonna put Thanos with his Infinity Gauntlet under the control of 565 00:54:41,805 --> 00:54:47,348 Darkseid. Why does this not make sense to you? Because Thanos, when he has the Infinity Gauntlet, 566 00:54:47,828 --> 00:54:51,349 has the Mind Stone, which would protect him from something like the Anti-Life Equation. 567 00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:55,731 and he has the reality stone, which would also do the same thing. Your point is, is there 568 00:54:55,871 --> 00:55:01,552 a life stone on the infinity gauntlet? Because as long as Thanos is alive, he's under dark 569 00:55:01,592 --> 00:55:07,794 sides control when he has the anti life equation. There's a soul stone. Oh, shit. So there you 570 00:55:07,814 --> 00:55:16,616 go. There you go. Thanos wins. Suck it, nerds. Clearly, he doesn't. So you, you know, reverse 571 00:55:16,656 --> 00:55:25,154 card. No, you that does it for this duel, guys. H2 9K helped close this out. Thanks for listening 572 00:55:25,194 --> 00:55:30,738 to Dynamic Duel. Visit the show's website at dynamicDuel.com and follow us on Instagram 573 00:55:30,798 --> 00:55:36,682 at dynamicDuelpodcast. You can support the show on Patreon at patreon.com slash dynamicDuel 574 00:55:36,822 --> 00:55:41,025 and joining a tier that works for you or by rating and reviewing Dynamic Duel on Apple 575 00:55:41,065 --> 00:55:46,689 podcasts, Spotify, Podchaser, or on our website. Don't forget to listen to the other shows in 576 00:55:46,709 --> 00:55:52,233 the Dynamite podcast network, including Max Destruction, Senjoh World, and Konsole Kombat. 577 00:55:53,918 --> 00:55:59,881 In our next episode, we will be doing another duel episode. This time we are pitting Talon, 578 00:56:00,281 --> 00:56:06,585 a Batman villain from The Court of Owls, against Nico Minoru, who is a Runaways character and 579 00:56:06,605 --> 00:56:11,228 affiliated with a different cult in Marvel known as The Pride. But that does it for this episode, 580 00:56:11,268 --> 00:56:15,850 guys. We want to give a big thanks to our executive producers, Ken Johnson, John Sturowski, Zachary 581 00:56:15,890 --> 00:56:21,542 Hepburn, Dustin Balcom, Mickey Matangian, Brandon Estergard, Nathaniel Wagner, Levi Yeaton. Austin 582 00:56:21,562 --> 00:56:27,863 Wyselowski, AJ Dunkerley, Nick Abonto, Scott Camacho, Gil Camacho, Adam Spies, Dean Molesky, 583 00:56:28,063 --> 00:56:34,404 Devin Davis, Joseph Kirsting, Josh Leiner, Mike Williams, and Oscar Galvez for helping to make 584 00:56:34,444 --> 00:56:39,365 this podcast possible. We'll talk to you guys next week. Up up and away, true believers. 585 00:56:40,185 --> 00:56:44,186 Neither the Infinity Gauntlet nor the Anti-Life Equation can match the supreme might of my 586 00:56:44,226 --> 00:56:46,586 Draw 4 Uno Reverse card. Come at me.