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This is a DynaMic Network podcast.

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Hi, welcome to the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly
show where we review superhero films and debate

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the superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing
their characters and stat-based battle simulations.

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I'm Johnny DC. And I'm his twin brother, Marvelous
Joe. And in this episode, we are doing a review

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of the Harley Quinn spinoff series, Kite Man.
Hell yeah. It wrapped up season one a while

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ago, but we're just getting around to it now
because, of course, everything else... from

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Marvel and DC has been released within the past
few weeks and these upcoming weeks. There's

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gonna be a lot of reviews. Yeah, we are still
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us folks. We will get through all these reviews
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Hell Yeah later on in this episode. Before that,
we're gonna break down the comic book movie

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news to come out this past week, including the
Thunderbolts teaser trailer that was released,

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the news that Kyle Chandler has been cast as
Hell Jordan in the Lantern series, and the

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news that a Bane and Deathstroke combined film
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Muzzin from Demon Slayer and Femto from Berserk.
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in our show notes to listen to all of the shows
in the Dynomic Podcast Network. But with that

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out of the way, quick to the no prize. A no
prize is an award Marvel used to give out to

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fans. Our version, the Dynamic duel No Prize,
is a digital award we post on Instagram for

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the person that we feel gave the best answer
to our question of the week. Last week we asked

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you guys, what musician would you cast as a
live action Marvel or DC character and what

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character would that be? And this is coming
off of Lady Gaga's casting in the upcoming

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Joker Follyado film. You guys came out of the
woodwork for this question even though Apparently

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we've already asked it before like a couple
years ago when Lady Gaga was first cast But

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we got a lot of great new answers So let's go
ahead and run them down as well as our no prize

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winner our first honorable mention goes to Travis
Herndon who said let's our dynamic dudes Travis

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here shout out to my evil twin So my answer
would have to be the great ice cube as what

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character you ask Luke Cage I mean, he's got
that look He got the swagger, he got the attitude.

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I think Ice Cube could pull off a cool ass Luke
Cage. I mean, come on, he got the look. And

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I could definitely see him rocking the yellow
tee, painting tea in the bracelet. So yeah,

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Ice Cube is Luke Cage. I thought this was a
fantastic answer. I think Ice Cube would definitely

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make a great Luke Cage because he definitely
has the attitude, right? But part of me also

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hates this answer because I feel like I would
wanna give Cube a lot of flak for representing

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Harlem over Compton, you know, I think it would
be weird for rap fans to see cube representing

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the East Side. Yeah, they'd have to like retcon
the character in the film universe so that

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yeah, he's from California. There you go. Not
New York. I mean, otherwise you'd have to get

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like someone from the Wu-Tang Clan or I don't
know, Puff Daddy, although he's in a lot of

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trouble right now. So maybe not him. Yeah, not
him. Puff Daddy, Diddy, whatever he's calling

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himself, the Diddler, that guy. Great answer,
Travis. Our next honorable mention goes to

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John Speas, who said, Hey fellas, John Speas
here. This one's a little far out, but stay

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with me. I would cast Danny Elfman as Norman
Osborn, the Green Goblin. I think he's just

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crazy enough to do it. There you go. So one
of the reasons Willem Dafoe was such a great

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Norman Osborn is because he has a goblin face.
I've been saying this for years, but there

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is another person in this world. who also has
a natural goblin face. And that man is Danny

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Elfman, the former singer for Oingo Boingo,
and of course the famous film composer, you

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know, who actually wrote the music for the initial
Sam Raimi Spider-Man trilogy. I think he would

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be a great Norman Osborn. I think he'd be an
even better Green Goblin. You know who he would

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be perfect casting for though? Who? Cletus Kasady
Carnage. He looks exactly like that character

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from the comics. Oh, interesting. Yeah, I could
see him as either character. Whenever I think

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of characters like Norman Osborn or Cletus Kasady,
I just think of evil Ginger. That's what Danny

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Elfman is, there you go. Exactly. Great answer,
Jon Spears. Our next honorable mention goes

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to... Miggie Mathingian, who said... Hey, what's
up guys, this is Miggie. And this question

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was inspired by Lady Gaga, which, uh, who recently
released a single with Bruno Mars, who's Filipino

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and half Puerto Rican, so I was thinking, oh,
he would be a good vibe because they're both,

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like, great dancers and they both have Puerto
Rican. heritage and then I was thinking he

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was in a duo with uh it's called silk sonic
with anderson pack who is african-american

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and korean heritage just like connor hawke so
I would just Bruno Mars as vibe and anderson

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pack as connor hawke thanks guys yeah connor
hawke is a pretty obscure character he's the

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son of green arrow and took up the green arrow
mantle for a while not a terrible answer I

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do like Bruno Mars as vibe a little bit more
just because I feel like Bruno Mars as Vibe

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is like peak casting for the character of Vibe.
Like you cannot do better casting than that.

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If Vibe ever was cast as Bruno Mars, like the
character has arrived. Like he's A-list now.

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That's right, because the character Vibe has
a music background in the comic books, right?

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Right, exactly. He was a break dancer. But you
know, you could turn it into like Bruno Mars

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smooth style of dancing. I don't know what you
call it. It's smooth as hell, though. I think

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it's just hip hop style. Boom. Smooth hip hop
style. I like Anderson Paak though. He did

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some music for the Shang-Chi soundtrack and
yeah, he definitely looks like Connor Hawk.

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I think the Anderson Paak casting is peak casting
too. So great answer, Miggy. We wanna give

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a special shout out to Brandon Estregard who
said Jenny Ico is Poison Ivy. Cyrus Moore who

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said Justin Timberlake as the Riddler. Daniel
Alonso who said Ren Gill as Ragdoll. Josh Hayward

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said Post Malone as Tattoo Man. Kat Stevens
said Metallica as The Sinister Six. Luke Bradley

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said Taylor Swift as Dazzler, Mason Thompson
said Childish Gambino as the Hypno Hustler,

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and Mike Williams forgot to leave an answer.
But he called in anyway and we appreciate that.

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But the winner of this week's No Prize is Judson
Batty, who said, Hi guys, Judson Batty here.

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I know the chances are incredibly unlikely,
but I would cast Elton John as Arcade, the

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X-Men villain. I think he's got the looks pretty
much on par. And it's not a very physical role,

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so the older age wouldn't be much of an issue.
And I feel like Arcade's the sort of random

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character who can get away with bursting into
song or any of that sort of stuff in a similar

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way that Joker could. I think it would just
be a very funny thing to watch. Right. He got

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cut off there, but this is the perfect answer
people. Yes. Elton John as the X-Men villain

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Arcade. If you guys don't know who Arcade is,
he is a trickster villain for the X-Men who

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sets up really elaborate video game and amusement
park death traps for heroes. And if you guys

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have seen the sequel to Kingsman, which was
called Kingsman and the Golden Circle, you've

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seen Elton John in that film and you know just
how perfect an answer this is because he was

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fucking hilarious in Kingsman and he kicked
a whole lot of ass in that movie and he's a

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great musician. So you gotta give it to him.
Yeah, Elton John is a very colorful character

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and arcade creates very colorful and chaotic
environments for the X-Men. I think it totally

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works. Plus, you know, when I think of arcade,
I think of evil ginger. And that's also what

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I think of when I think of Elton John. What
do you have against gingers, man? Well, nothing

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against gingers, just the evil ones. Oh, OK.
All right. That makes sense. I just want to

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see the X-Men escaping a death trap. to the
tune of Tiny Dancer while we see Arcade singing

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that song. Yes. MCU X-Men, get it done. Kevin
Feige, hope you're listening. Great answer

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Judson, you win this week's note prize. If you
the listener want a shot at winning your own

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note prize, stay tuned to later on in this episode
when we'll be asking another question of the

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week. And now that that's done, onto the news!

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Alright, just over a week ago we got the first
trailer for Marvel Studios' Thunderbolts asterisk

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movie that's gonna come out in theaters in May
of 2025. And I thought this was a fantastic

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trailer. It was pretty much exactly what we
saw from the D23 Thunderbolts presentation,

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but with some additional footage toward the
end. And I thought that was one of the more

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promising looks to come out of D23 was this
footage. So I'm really pumped for this movie.

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Okay, I'm- Also really pumped by how cool this
trailer was. This looks like the Avengers,

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but cooler to me. The Avengers are already really
cool. So I don't know what you mean by that.

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But yeah, but I'm just talking about like the
cast of characters here. Like when this project

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was first announced and they were talking about
the lineup, I was like, oh damn, like that's

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a pretty damn cool lineup. Like you're essentially
just taking Marvel's coolest characters that

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are like still alive and like putting them together.
But I'm also not gonna lie. When I first saw

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this, I also thought, okay, I see what they're
going for. Fucking the Suicide Squad. First

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of all, they're completely different concepts.
Like, the Thunderbolts is all about reformed

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heroes actually working to do good. It's not
under threat of getting your head exploded

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or something like that. That's fair. But can
you admit it? I want to see you admit it. That,

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yeah, this looks like it's taking inspiration
from the Suicide Squad. I think that if this

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was ripped off of Suicide Squad, it's going
to be a million times better than any iteration.

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of the Suicide Squad anything ever was. Especially
that 2016 movie, right? You mean the Oscar

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winning Suicide Squad 2016 movie? Fuck off.
All right, anyway, the trailer starts with

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Yelena Belova visiting her surrogate father,
Alexei Shostakov, played by David Harbour,

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who I think gives a great performance as the
Red Guardian. I love the moment where she knocks

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on the door and he's trying to get things cleaned
up for her so that she could come in. And he

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brushes his teeth with his finger and dish soap.
Like, just the whole character is just hilarious.

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Sure, he's used for comic relief and sure, the
team already has like five different versions

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of a super soldier, but I'm here for it. Oh,
yeah. No, David Harbour is fantastic as the

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Red Guardian. He was one of the best parts to
come out of the Black Widow movie. I thought

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I'm really glad that we're getting to see him
again. His comedic timing is so subtle yet

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so good. I'm guessing that he's not with Melina
Vostokov anymore. played by Rachel Weisz in

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the Black Widow movie. And that's why he's kind
of down and out here. She must've dumped him

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or something. But Yulana talks about how she's
also depressed and she's been diving into her

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work. One of her jobs puts her at odds with
John Walker, the US agent, Ghost from Ant-Man

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and the Wasp, Taskmaster with a very different
costume here, and Bob Reynolds the Sentry.

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Well yeah, Taskmaster and Ghost both have very
different costumes. Yeah, I like Ghost's costume.

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She actually removes her mask here, which I
thought was interesting because Taskmaster

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did not. I know Olga Korolenko is cast in the
film. I'm not certain why they're so afraid

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to show her face though, considering we all
know who she is. Well, I don't know, maybe

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some people who haven't seen Black Widow still
don't know that Taskmaster has been gender

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swapped. I'm wondering if it's in fact the same
Taskmaster or if it's somebody else. Oh, that's

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interesting. I don't know. That's hearsay, but
we'll see what happens. I am intrigued by the

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fact though that Taskmaster never takes off
her mask. The fight between the group in that

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warehouse bunker was fantastic. I thought it
was really cool to see how they can play off

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each other even though they had never met each
other until this point. But they're so in tune

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that they're able to counter each other's moves
as they're being made. It's pretty interesting.

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Yeah, of course, and then the sentry pops out
of nowhere. Yeah, of course, that role was

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originally played by Steven Yoon and I kind
of wish he was still in the role because I

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think that would have been a f- Fascinating
character for him to play now. He's being played

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by Lewis Pullman still pretty interesting here
I'm really interested in seeing where they

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take the character and how faithful they will
be to the comics We do see in a shot later

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on that he's being shot at by a group of guards
and all the bullets are basically Bouncing

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off of him and not hurting him So he'll be a
cool character if you guys don't know much

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about the sentry and want to learn more check
out our episode where? We put him against general

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Zod. I wonder if these Thunderbolt characters
were sent in there to kill Bob the sentry or

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if they were sent in there for him to kill them.
That's a great question. We don't know what's

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really going on because we see Bucky attack
the Thunderbolts group later on at the end

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of this trailer. So it seems like somebody's
trying to get these people killed but Bucky

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joins the team, Sentry joins the team. It's
really interesting how this is all playing

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out. And which of them is being manipulated
by the Contessa Valentina Allegra da Fontaine,

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played by Julia Louis-Dreyfus, who apparently
has bought Stark Tower. and she's throwing

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parties with like Loki Scepter in them and everything
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and the MCU has been hinting at her involvement
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and the Falcon and the Witcher Soldier. And
Wakanda Forever. Oh yeah, that's right. She

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was in that too. It'll be nice to finally get
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all going on here. Fingers are still crossed
that she's Letharian. Yeah, if they like maybe

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merge her character with Lucia von Bardis or
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Again, Thunderbolts asterisk comes out on May
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asterisk though, that brings us to our question
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What is your theory as to what the asterisk
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are a lot of rumors out there, some of them
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before October 5th. Moving on to DC news, Kyle
Chandler has been set to star in HBO's Lanterns

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series for the DC Universe. This will be produced
by both James Gunn and Peter Safran. Of course,

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Chris Mundy and Damon Lindelof have been announced
as writers for the series. There's been some

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speculation for a while now as to who was going
to be playing Cal Jordan. And we had A-list

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talent in the running, including Josh Brolin
and Matthew McConaughey, Chris Pine, Timothy

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Elephant. But ultimately it came down to Kyle
Chandler of Friday Night Lights fame. And I

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gotta say, I'm not thrilled by the news, especially
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and the names that were being thrown around.
It's kind of hard to get excited about Kyle

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Chandler. I feel kind of let down by that. I
think it's kind of funny. I think out of...

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everyone you could have gotten. Nobody expected
Kyle Chandler to get the job. I mean, he'll

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be serviceable. He's been in a few movies. He's
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and he was in the Neil Armstrong biopic First
Man. He's just not a household name. And I

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guess I kind of assumed that Hal Jordan would
be considering the last actor to play him was

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Ryan Reynolds. You know, we didn't get a version
of Hal Jordan in the Snyderverse. So I kind

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of thought that they make up for the bad reception
of Ryan Reynolds film by casting someone really

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big in the role to say hey Hal Jordan is still
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big character so much so in fact that we got
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i shouldn't be that disappointed i mean after
all Kyle Chandler is an Emmy-winning actor

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like you said he'll be serviceable considering
the talent behind the scenes i'm not too concerned

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about the direction of the show I was just expecting
bigger names. It looks like from who's currently

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in the running for Jon Stewart as well, like
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they're looking at Alan Pierre and Stephen James
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Alan Pierre is the star of the Netflix thriller
Rebel Ridge and Stephen James was in films

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like The Piano Lesson and 21 Bridges. Actually
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Bridges and I always thought that Stephen James
would have made a good Black Panther. after

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Chad Oak Boseman's tragic passing. That said,
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He's actually my favorite pick out of those
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to see him get the role. I think he could pull
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to the DC film universe too, if they end up
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down the line. Apparently they're looking to
make a decision for Jon Stewart sooner rather

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than later. Maybe by the time we record our
next episode, we'll have our Jon Stewart. So

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look forward to that. In other DC news, it looks
like James Gunn and Peter Safran are developing

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a Bane and Deathstroke conjoined film that's
going to be written by Matthew Orton, the same

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writer who wrote the upcoming Captain America
Brave New World movie. I have no idea what

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that film would look like. Maybe it's just like
an Assassin's movie and there'll be other DC

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like assassin or mercenary characters all going
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that. That sounds pretty cool. Or maybe Deathstroke
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a target and he encounters Bane. I don't know,
it's all speculative right now. I think the

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concept is the most intriguing bit of news to
come out of this though. So they never would

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have assumed that they would have taken Bane,
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primarily a Titans villain, and put them in
the same movie. Yeah, that's a pretty odd couple

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there. I saw a rumor that said that the film
is potentially setting up a Secret Six movie.

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Well considering that Deathstroke was not a
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believe. Deadshot was in the Secret Six, so
people might be confusing him for Deathstroke,

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but I don't know, it might be as good a guess
as any, but I find that hard to believe. As

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James Gunn has said in the past, they're not
going to greenlight a film until the script

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is completed, so who knows when this movie will
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that they're developing it is just fascinating
in regards to what James Gunn has planned with

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these films. Is there a plan? I'm gonna say
no. It's starting to look that way. Like it

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may just be a shared universe with no overarching
story. So basically like they have to see you

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right now. Oh, during the multiverse saga? Yeah,
kind of, but you see how that's going for them.

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Yeah, yeah. I don't know. We'll see what happens
with this. We'll keep you guys updated if any

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other news surrounding it develops.

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That does it for all the news for this week,
so now let's move on to the main event of this

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episode where we review season 1 of the Max
animated series, Kite Man. Hell yeah.

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Hell yeah is a spin-off series of the critically
and fan-acclaimed animated max-exclusive series

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Harley Quinn, for which we've reviewed two seasons
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Harley Quinn is a good series, with enough over-the-top
violence and raunchy humor to entertain its

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mature audiences, but also a surprising amount
of heart and psychological insight into the

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characters of Gotham that make it relatively
groundbreaking amidst DC's massive library

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of animated fare. Now despite the success of
The Harley Quinn Show, I had mediocre expectations

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for season one of Kite Man Hell Yeah, a series
based on a D-list Batman villain and minor,

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albeit charming side characters from Harley
Quinn. The Harley Quinn Show already features

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a pretty obscure cast of Gotham characters,
so would a show that scrapes even further into

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the bottom of the barrel actually work? I'm
glad to say it did. I wouldn't go so far as

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to recommend the show as must-see TV, but if
you're a fan of the Harley Quinn series, this

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show is definitely worth your time, though I
wouldn't expect it to be as innovative. If

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you're interested in watching the show but haven't
yet, skip this review for now and come back

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after you've watched it as this review, like
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Yeah, I'm not sure this show has any appeal
to people who aren't fans of the Harley Quinn

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comedy, you might still find something here
to enjoy. The show is actually pretty different

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from what I was expecting it to be. I thought
it was going to be much more of a sitcom, something

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like Cheers, but it actually ended up having
more of an overarching story than I thought

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it was going to have. For the most part, the
show is purely focused on laughs, though it

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does revolve somewhat around the romance of
its two lead characters, Kite Man and his girlfriend

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of 14 months, Golden Glider, an obscure Flash
villain. The two work well together, though

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I'd say most of the laughs don't come from their
interactions. Rather, most of the show's humor

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comes from the ensemble of recurring side characters
that frequent the bar Kite Man and Golden Glider

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purchased in episode 1. This includes Bane,
a character from the Harley Quinn show and

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my favorite of the bunch, Malice Vunderbar,
a trendy apocalyptic socialite forced to work

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at the bar, Sean Noonan, the aloof former owner
of the bar who knows all of its secrets, The

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Queen of Fables, also from Harley Quinn, now
just a decapitated head looking for a body.

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Joe and Moe doubles, mobster conjoined twins
with two heads. Six pack, a lewd drunkard and

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wannabe villain I think. And a random ass guy
named Gus. Now most of the ensemble works,

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particularly Bane, Malice, and Noonan. Like
Bane's obsessive nature and Mack forgetting

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himself into embarrassing situations are hilarious.
I thought Malice was going to be annoying when

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we were first introduced to the character, but
she ended up being a fantastic foil for Golden

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Glider, and her demonic cat Cheshire allowed
Malice to get involved in some of the show's

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action scenes. Noonan was great as a loyal mentor
figure for Kite Man not only when it came to

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running a seedy bar in Gotham, but also in navigating
relationships. Some of the cast, however, like

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the doubles twins Sixpack and Daryl, were good
for maybe one joke the entire season. It's

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always been interesting to see how some characters
are adapted in this quote-unquote quin-verse

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like a character like Malice. And I would have
much rather seen other D-list villains frequenting

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Noonan's than some of what we got here. Yeah,
actually going back to your idea that the premise

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was going to be more of a sitcom where we see
a revolving cast of D-list villains showing

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up at the bar, I was surprised at the lack of
cameos and stuff that we got from this show.

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Yeah, we got Frank the Plant, we got Clayface,
we got Martian Manhunter just out of fucking

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nowhere. But yeah, I thought we were going to
get a lot more villains. Now regarding the

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humor, the show's irreverent gags are pretty
much nonstop, and most of the jokes land, especially

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as the season progresses and continues to build
on past jokes. Like in Harley Quinn, there's

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a touch of commentary in the humor, particularly
when it comes to one of the show's three villains,

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Helen Villigan. who turned her themed bar, Villigans,
into an online Amazon slash Google-esque data

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empire that spies on its user base in a send-up
of big tech and capitalistic excess. Usually

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LexCorp fills that role in DC media, so I'm
not convinced that Helen Villigan was necessary,

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especially considering Lex Luther already serves
as one of the season's villains. He was voiced

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by Lance Riddick of John Wick fame. for eight
episodes before his untimely passing. Yeah,

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for as ubiquitous as Villigans was in this universe,
you think that we would have seen Villigans

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in the Harley Quinn show. We might have maybe
if they were setting this up, but I just don't

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remember Villigans any time prior to this season.
No, I think she was made up for the show. Although

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that's not entirely true. I was able to find
a character named Helen Helligan. I don't know

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if they're the same though. You think they have
to be. Well, Helen Helligan is an FBI agent,

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not a villain. Well, never mind then. Now, the
surprise villain for me was Darkseid, who we've

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seen in past seasons of Harley Quinn. But, you
know, to make the central conflict of the season

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revolve around the anti-life equation made for
some pretty lofty stakes for a show about D-list

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villains. Considering the high stakes, I thought
the conflict would have been more appropriate

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for a fifth season of Harley Quinn or better
yet, maybe like a Suicide Squad spin-off series.

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that I think people would have been much more
interested in than Kite Man. Now seeing Kite

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Man in the Suicide Squad would have been much
more interesting to me than seeing him run

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a bar. That's just an idea, though. Like for
me, the premise of Kite Man running a bar is

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almost like a web series at best. Right. But
it definitely has great potential in the sort

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of sitcom style. Like you, I was hoping the
show would go a different route because. I

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don't think we need another Harley Quinn series,
essentially. This show explored a lot of different

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things, but I'm wondering how they're going
to incorporate what happened in this show into

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the upcoming Harley Quinn season. If we're going
to see a lot of these characters jumping back

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and forth, I think they're kind of basically
setting themselves up for a continuity nightmare,

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especially in this universe which is so wacky
that almost anything can go from episode to

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episode. Yeah, I definitely agree. To me, this
could have also just been a subplot within.

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the next season of Harley Quinn. Like maybe
get rid of some of the minor subplots from

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this series, like Queen of Fables looking for
a body to attach her head to or something like

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that. And just, you know, get it streamlined
and insert it into the Harley Quinn show. I

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think that could have worked. Exactly. And let
me just say this. It shouldn't have been Kite

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Man who got his own spinoff show. For as funny
as Kite Man is, he didn't have as much to do

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here as like Harley Quinn does in say her own
show. It's more about this whole cast of characters,

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including Bane, who has probably just as much,
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I think this should have been a Bane spinoff,
because to me, he's the standout from the Harley

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Quinn show, not Kite Man. Yeah, he's the standout
from both shows, Harley Quinn and Kite Man,

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I felt. I would love to see Bane get his own
show, and I agree he probably should have gotten

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his before Kite Man did. Now, regarding the
romance of the series, it truly is the heart

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of the show, as it is in the Harley Quinn series.
Kite Man and Golden Glider are great for each

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other, but let's talk more about them and their
relationship in our character breakdown. Charles

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Chuck Brown slash Kite Man was voiced by Matt
Oberg. I haven't talked too much about his

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voice performance in past seasons of the Harley
Quinn series, but if it wasn't for Oberg's

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lovable, loser-esque comedic take on Kite Man,
the character would not have been endearing

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enough to sustain his own spinoff series. The
show owes a lot of credit to Oberg's charm.

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which I think could translate into live action
if they ever want to put Kite Man in a Suicide

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Squad film or something like that. For sure.
Yeah, that would be hilarious. The guy's delivery

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is something special. I'll say that. It's more
than spot on. It's charming, it's pitiful,

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it's comedic. It's all of these things in one
package. Yeah, it could go anywhere from super

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heroic to super sad and everything in between.
And still be funny all at once. Kite Man's

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arc this season revolves around self-acceptance,
and it's an arc that stems from his appearances

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in Harley Quinn. He broke off his engagement
to Poison Ivy in that show because he had the

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self-worth to not be with a woman he loved who
didn't love him on equal footing. Kite Man

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and Golden Glider make a better couple in that
they're both fully committed to each other

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despite their flaws. But Kite Man becomes insecure
during the show by his father's disapproval,

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the appearance of a rival bar like Villigans
across the street, as well as Golden Glider's

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mom, Rebecca Chen, telling him he's not good
enough for her daughter. So he makes the decision

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to go to his rival, Helen Villigan, to gain
a superpower in order to be more than the loser

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he suddenly feels he is. But by the end of the
season, he learns that he doesn't need a superpower

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because his power all along had been his kindness
and friendliness that got him his dream girl

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and bar from the very start. The superpower
of Beast Mode. Might be my favorite moment

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with Kite Man. His douchebag power, it's just
so unbelievably wacky and hilarious. Oftentimes

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I've been asked if you could have any superpower.
I think I kind of want douchebag superpower.

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His power was telekinesis, which was activated
by him throwing up the middle finger, right?

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But it would do things like wedgies and pull
people's pants down and titty twisters and

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stuff like that. It was just hilarious. I think
that stemmed more from who Beast Mode was as

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opposed to what his power was specifically.
Okay. It wasn't like his power was like randomly

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doing these douchey things to them, I think.
But yeah, I would love that power in real life.

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People who like cut me off in traffic, I just
like throw up the finger and then all of a

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sudden their car would shut down or something
like that. That type of power does appeal to

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me in a totally petty way. Was Beast Mode your
favorite Kite Man moment or did you have another

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one? No, there were no like real standout action
moments or anything really heroic for him outside

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of the whole Anti-life equation thing at the
end, but even that wasn't really an exciting

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action moment for him true. Very yeah He didn't
really do anything like impressive with his

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kite this season I felt which I was actually
really looking forward to considering our last

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episode Which was a duel between kite man and
stilt man, you know all the different kite

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gadgets that he has in the comics weren't really
on display in this show, except as random gags.

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When he hit his belt and it would shoot out
a bunch of little kite throwing stars and stuff

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like that. Yeah, you're right. That was it.
But you know, like Harley Quinn and Kite Man,

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those shows really aren't about the heroics.
No, but there is a lot of action. So I would

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have expected Kite Man to be more involved in
the action more frequently in his own series.

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I think the biggest thing he did besides the
Anti-Life Equation thing was punch Baby Doll,

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but that happened off camera. Well, you look
at Golden Glider, she got a whole lot of action

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in this season. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Lisa Snart
slash Golden Glider. She was voiced by Stephanie

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Sue. I think she's a fantastic actress. She
was great as one of the leads in everything

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everywhere all at once. And though I didn't
care for her performance at the start of this

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season, I think that was more due to the writing
of the character because by the end of the

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season, I was really happy with the character.
And I think a lot of that has to do. with Sue's

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ability to deliver both comedy and drama. I
think at one point we were thinking about pitting

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Golden Glider against Shadow Cat from Marvel
in a duel episode. And I am totally glad that

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we didn't do that because Golden Glider seems
OP as fuck. Well, so this is an interesting

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adaptation of Golden Glider because in the past,
Golden Glider was just a really fast skater.

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But in the new 52, they re-imagined the character
to be almost like a ghost with blades that's

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really fast. So they kind of did both for this
show and that she had this like astral projection

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that could shoot out these ribbons that could
either like liquefy or cut people. I actually

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think it was a pretty good adaptation of the
character and honestly I hope they adapt that

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to the comics. She's a former member of the
Rogues? Yes, that's correct. We'll find a matchup

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for her eventually somewhere down the line.
I think maybe Devin has already come up with

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that idea, but I'll have to double check. This
is a much better adaptation of the character

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from the comics than what they did on the Flash
TV show, which is just give her a gun that

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turns things gold. Holy shit. That's so stupid.
Yeah, it was kind of ridiculous. But you know

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what? I bet you Golden Glider in the Kite Man
show wished she had that power, though. I mean,

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who wouldn't? I want that. Yeah, yeah. Now,
like Kite Man, Golden Glider's arc revolves

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around insecurity. You know, her insecurity
around using her unstable powers. around her

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relationship with Kite Man, around the new young,
caught-rich barmaid, her unresolved past, and

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around the unrequited love from her mother.
The only thing that keeps her stable is the

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shared love between herself and Kite Man, which
makes it all the more tragic at the end of

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the season when the only way to seemingly save
the world from the anti-life equation is for

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Glider to kill Kite Man. That ended up not happening
through a bizarre deus ex machina. But in the

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end she admitted that she wouldn't have been
able to kill Kite Man anyway because she loved

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him. And though she never overcomes her insecurities
in this season, at least she's supported by

404
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a good partner who brings out the best in her
as she does for him. Hashtag relationship goals.

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You know it's interesting that Kite Man and
Golden Glider make such a good couple considering

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they're both highly insecure people. And neither
of them have like real secure attachments due

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00:36:19,793 --> 00:36:23,891
to their upbringing and stuff like that. And
usually you need at least one person to have

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a secure attachment in a relationship in order
for the relationship to work. Otherwise, you

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know, the insecurities compound and spiral out
of control. But yeah, they both seem like they

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have anxious attachments to each other or something.
Well, Kymane is usually very secure, like almost

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to a fault. Like he should not be as secure
as he is. It wasn't until this season that

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he kind of started to feel like, oh, maybe he's
not good enough because, you know, he told

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00:36:48,484 --> 00:36:52,210
Poison Ivy straight to her face, like, I'm too
good for you. So, you know, that was never

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really his problem until he started to get serious
with Golden Glider. That's true. That's very

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00:36:58,773 --> 00:37:03,214
true, actually. I didn't think about that, but
you're absolutely right. He kind of has delusions

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00:37:03,255 --> 00:37:10,237
of grandeur in his security. Exactly. But that's
kind of the appeal, right? He's a big loser,

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00:37:10,297 --> 00:37:15,499
but he doesn't necessarily know that he's a
big loser. Right. That's 100% the appeal of

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00:37:15,539 --> 00:37:19,281
the character. Because it makes you want to
root for him. He's the underdog. This whole

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00:37:19,301 --> 00:37:24,621
show is about underdogs. Him, Golden Glider,
Bane, everyone. No, my favorite moment with

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00:37:24,661 --> 00:37:29,125
Golden Glider was actually in the first episode
when she first showed her powers because that's

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when I realized how they were adapting the character.
And I was like, okay, they're taking like a

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mixture between, you know, pre-New 52 Golden
Glider and post-Flashpoint Golden Glider. The

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funniest moments I think were actually, you
know, her naked fighting at the spa, but also

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00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,602
her getting her nipples pierced. when she thought
that her mom was going to get it done too,

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00:37:50,862 --> 00:37:58,526
only to find out that wasn't the case. Oh, so
all the raunchy stuff, okay. Yes. Regarding

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the naked fight, that was pretty interesting
because the animators, it seemed like they

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00:38:01,867 --> 00:38:06,049
tried to Austin Powers the whole choreography
as much as they could in that they were trying

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00:38:06,089 --> 00:38:10,831
to hide her exposed bits for as long as they
could. But at some point they just said, fuck

429
00:38:10,871 --> 00:38:15,392
it, and just decided to blur everything. Right.
And just let it in full view of the camera.

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00:38:15,492 --> 00:38:18,582
I thought that was pretty interesting why they
just didn't do that from the get go. But I

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00:38:18,823 --> 00:38:22,476
actually think it would have been more funny
for them to continue the kind of Austin powersing

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00:38:22,717 --> 00:38:25,025
of the nudity within the fight. That's fair.

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Moving on to our story highlights, the first
episode was titled, Pilot Hell Yeah! With the

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00:39:26,232 --> 00:39:31,697
anti-life equation in his possession, Lex Luthor
reluctantly hires Kite Man as an aerial spy

442
00:39:31,737 --> 00:39:36,361
to guard the Legion of Doom against the Justice
League due to the Legion's flying villains

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00:39:36,401 --> 00:39:41,986
being unavailable. Kite Man fails at his task,
so Luthor takes revenge by attempting to buy

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00:39:42,046 --> 00:39:48,655
Kite Man's hangout, Noonan's Bar, for $10 million.
Kite Man and his girlfriend Golden Glider strive

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00:39:48,695 --> 00:39:53,660
to raise the money first, but are unable to
borrow it from anyone. Harley Quinn and Poison

446
00:39:53,780 --> 00:39:59,004
Ivy advise the two to rob from villains worse
than them. With help from former Legion member

447
00:39:59,105 --> 00:40:04,389
Bane, the group attack the mansion of Kite Man's
father, Daryl, who willingly surrenders his

448
00:40:04,429 --> 00:40:10,518
money as a reward for Kite Man finally standing
up to him. Luther's revenge is later revealed

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00:40:10,618 --> 00:40:15,940
to be a deception so that he can hide the anti-life
equation in Nunein's freezer, unaware that

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Darkseid is also on the hunt for it. Do you
think they did Sinestro dirty in this episode?

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00:40:20,702 --> 00:40:26,104
They do so many villains dirty in the Harley
Quinn series and this show. I was not happy

452
00:40:26,124 --> 00:40:31,827
with what they did to Sinestro. I was like,
okay, really Lex Luthor? I guess. I thought

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00:40:31,867 --> 00:40:36,228
that Kite Man's dad, Daryl, giving him the money,
I thought there was going to be some kind of

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00:40:36,308 --> 00:40:40,811
catch to it or something like that. He was going
to reveal like, This is your inheritance I'm

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00:40:40,851 --> 00:40:44,194
giving it to you now, don't ask me for anything
else in the future or something like that.

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00:40:44,234 --> 00:40:49,539
But the way he gave it to him was actually pretty
earnest, which surprised me considering how

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00:40:49,659 --> 00:40:54,924
he was kind of a big douchebag to his son. Yeah,
I think it was meant to be funny. I actually

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00:40:54,944 --> 00:40:59,608
think the show gets funnier as it goes. These
first few episodes I didn't think were that

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00:40:59,748 --> 00:41:03,391
great. Yeah, it was kind of weird the way he
just kind of gave it to him. I will say the

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00:41:03,431 --> 00:41:08,739
funniest part of this episode I thought. was
actually a setup for a gag that was recurring

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00:41:08,759 --> 00:41:16,702
throughout the rest of the season when Moe Doubles
was shot. And so his conjoined twin brother

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00:41:16,762 --> 00:41:21,544
is just like walking around with his dead brother's
head right next to him. Just like totally aloof.

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00:41:21,584 --> 00:41:26,306
Like it's not even a big thing. Yeah, that was
hilarious. I love that. Episode two was titled

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00:41:26,726 --> 00:41:32,008
Grand Reopening. Hell yeah. While preparing
for Noonan's grand reopening, Kite Man hires

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00:41:32,028 --> 00:41:37,023
Darkseid's entitled goddaughter Malice. as a
server despite Glider wanting to hire Bane

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00:41:37,063 --> 00:41:41,885
for the job. Meanwhile, Kite Man grows desperate
for Daryl to respond to his invite to the event.

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00:41:42,405 --> 00:41:47,727
Displeased with Malice's attitude, Glider invites
Luthor, among other notable Legion members,

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00:41:47,787 --> 00:41:53,110
to the party, unaware that Luthor is throwing
his own party to ensure Nuenans stays irrelevant.

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00:41:53,570 --> 00:41:59,292
The latter event is subsequently ruined by Malice's
cat Cheshire, who escapes and temporarily becomes

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kaiju sized after eating several civilians.
unintentionally drawing attention to Noonans.

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00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:10,272
After realizing that he should focus more on
impressing people who actually like him, Kite

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00:42:10,292 --> 00:42:15,633
Man fires Malice, but Glider promotes her to
social media manager to make Darkseid happy

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00:42:15,733 --> 00:42:21,935
while Bane takes a job as bouncer. Elsewhere,
a goon named Gus takes the Queen of Fables

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00:42:21,975 --> 00:42:27,137
head in as his kindergartner's class pet where
she is forced to entertain his students before

475
00:42:27,177 --> 00:42:32,326
stealing the body of one boy's mother after
being taken home. Now, I didn't know who Malice

476
00:42:32,366 --> 00:42:37,849
was when watching the show, so I wanted to make
sure that I looked her up and she looks nothing

477
00:42:37,889 --> 00:42:43,112
like her adaptation in the show. Yes, another
one of those instances of the Quinnverse really

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00:42:43,152 --> 00:42:48,576
doing a decent job of adapting the character
from the comics. In the comics, Malice is much

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00:42:48,636 --> 00:42:52,818
more like Baby Doll or Alice, and I think that
would have just been way too much if they had

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00:42:52,858 --> 00:42:56,660
done that with her character. I really like
what they did with Malice. Who is she related

481
00:42:56,700 --> 00:43:03,392
to on Apocalypse? I have no idea who that is.
Okay. Yeah, he's like this Monocle general

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00:43:03,432 --> 00:43:10,136
type guy, kind of like Baron Shucker in Marvel.
Oh. Moving on to episode three titled, Villigans.

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Hell yeah. Villigans, a themed chain restaurant
opens across the street from the bar, threatening

484
00:43:15,860 --> 00:43:21,384
Newton's business. Meanwhile, Kite Man feels
that he is not moving fast enough in his relationship

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00:43:21,404 --> 00:43:26,434
with Glider and asks if they can move in together.
though she avoids the subject upon noticing

486
00:43:26,474 --> 00:43:31,156
that he found her secret relationship spreadsheet
on her computer. Kite Man tries to reignite

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00:43:31,176 --> 00:43:36,438
their bond by discovering Villigan's intentions,
but proves reluctant to kill the manager as

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00:43:36,478 --> 00:43:42,221
he has never killed before. Meanwhile, Glider
accepts Villigan's offer for a free spa day

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00:43:42,501 --> 00:43:47,283
with the Queen and Malice. During this, she
confesses that she loves Kite Man and has been

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00:43:47,323 --> 00:43:51,985
ready to move in with him, but is afraid that
she might kill him due to her unstable powers.

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00:43:52,465 --> 00:43:58,403
The group later learn they stumbled onto a deathtrap
owned by Babydoll, who reveals her intent to

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00:43:58,443 --> 00:44:04,104
kill Kite Man and destroy Nunes with a rigged
gift basket. However, Kite Man throws the basket

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00:44:04,144 --> 00:44:09,486
at the last second, destroying Villigans. Kite
Man and Glider later reconcile and agree to

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00:44:09,526 --> 00:44:15,928
move in together. I thought one of the best
gags in the entire season was how Bane started

495
00:44:15,968 --> 00:44:22,009
working for Villigans just by going there and
seeing how poor of a service the costumed Bane

496
00:44:22,049 --> 00:44:30,789
there was giving. You're giving Bane a bad name.
He always finds himself in like the most embarrassing

497
00:44:30,869 --> 00:44:36,571
situations, but he just has like the best heart
about it. So he just kind of always has to

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00:44:37,091 --> 00:44:41,733
deal with whatever is thrown at him. He's a
great character. Episode four was titled Portal

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Potty. Hell, yeah. While moving above Noonan's,
Kiteman notices the lack of photos from Glider's

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00:44:47,576 --> 00:44:53,086
youth, but she refuses to discuss her background
with him. Meanwhile, Bane accidentally travels

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00:44:53,106 --> 00:44:58,949
back to 1986 after defecating in the apartment's
toilet, where he falls in love with Glider's

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00:44:59,009 --> 00:45:04,632
mother, Rebecca Chen. Through Glider's brother,
Captain Cold, Kite Man learns their alcoholic,

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00:45:04,692 --> 00:45:10,275
bickering parents frequented Newnans in 1986,
which is where Glider accidentally killed them

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00:45:10,356 --> 00:45:15,038
upon using her powers for the first time. After
falling out with Glider, Kite Man travels back

505
00:45:15,058 --> 00:45:22,410
in time to prevent her parents' deaths, with
Glider following soon after. Glider's father,

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00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:27,475
Lawrence Snart, is killed in an explosion. Glider
ultimately decides to focus on the present

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00:45:27,535 --> 00:45:33,220
instead of the past, only to discover that Rebecca
is still not around in the present. Unbeknownst

508
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:38,405
to Glider, Rebecca ran away following Lawrence's
death before being trapped in a jail cell and

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00:45:38,425 --> 00:45:44,611
gassed by an unknown figure. A few questions
here. Who is Rebecca? Because she was very

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00:45:44,671 --> 00:45:48,838
prominent this season and I don't know if she's
from the comics at all. She's actually not

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00:45:48,898 --> 00:45:54,100
a major character in the comics. If anything,
the Snart Father is more of a major character

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00:45:54,141 --> 00:45:59,143
for his involvement in the origin of Captain
Cold. Well, by the end of the show, Rebecca

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00:45:59,203 --> 00:46:04,286
became like the evil queen in Fairy Tail Land
or something like that. Yeah, they made her

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00:46:04,326 --> 00:46:09,988
an evil fairy godmother, but like, that's not
really a character in DC. So I'm not sure what

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00:46:10,008 --> 00:46:14,910
that's gonna lead to. How did you feel about...
the year that they went back to being 1986,

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00:46:15,790 --> 00:46:21,752
because that would mean that Kite Man and Glider
were around their mid 40s by this point in

517
00:46:21,772 --> 00:46:26,593
the present day. Doesn't that seem a little
bit old for them? They definitely look younger

518
00:46:26,613 --> 00:46:32,535
than that, I would say. Just makes me feel like
I need to get my ass to the gym. Yeah, I know.

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00:46:32,555 --> 00:46:36,976
I'm starting to think that my potential superhero
days are over. But, you know, not if Golden

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00:46:36,996 --> 00:46:43,346
Glider's over here kicking ass at age 44. Right?
On ice skates, it's wild. Episode 5 was titled

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Prison Break. Hell yeah. After returning to
the present, Bane learns Rebecca was imprisoned

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00:46:48,447 --> 00:46:53,989
in his old home, The Pit. He, Kite Man, and
Glider head there, where they discover Villigan's

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00:46:54,109 --> 00:46:59,050
owner, Helen Villigan, purchased the pit from
the League of Shadows, and is using brainwashed

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00:46:59,110 --> 00:47:04,912
prisoners as slave labor. Braving the workers
and various death traps, the trio rescue Rebecca

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00:47:05,012 --> 00:47:10,713
and bring her back safely. When she awakens
later, however, Rebecca is not enthused to

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00:47:10,753 --> 00:47:16,276
see Glider. Meanwhile, Malice closes Nounen's
early to prepare for the arrival of her immortal

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00:47:16,336 --> 00:47:21,219
boyfriend, despite the presence of a health
inspector. She asks everyone present to pretend

528
00:47:21,259 --> 00:47:25,922
she does not work there, but the boyfriend kills
several patrons, leading to her telling the

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00:47:25,962 --> 00:47:31,146
truth and him dumping her. This causes her to
feel emotions for the first time. Through her

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00:47:31,246 --> 00:47:37,409
actions, Nounen's receives a D- from the inspector,
narrowly saving it from being closed down.

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00:47:37,854 --> 00:47:41,975
I'm kind of mixed on this episode. I really
liked the stuff. I thought that was hilarious,

532
00:47:42,075 --> 00:47:46,836
mainly because, you know, Bane played a big
part of it and Bane is just fantastic. I hated

533
00:47:46,936 --> 00:47:51,498
the whole Malice's boyfriend stuff and the health
inspector stuff. It was it was dumb. Like,

534
00:47:51,638 --> 00:47:56,959
why was the health inspector immortal? It was
just out of nowhere. It was filler, of course.

535
00:47:57,379 --> 00:48:03,341
I want to talk about I want to go back to Glider's
mom, Glider's mom, Rebecca, because a big portion

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00:48:03,361 --> 00:48:07,659
of the plot revolves around her. And we know
she didn't want to be a mom, that was her whole

537
00:48:07,679 --> 00:48:12,803
thing, but we never really got a sense of why
she didn't want to be a mom and how that affected

538
00:48:12,903 --> 00:48:18,347
Glider. There was no real closure there in terms
of that revelation and Glider's feelings on

539
00:48:18,387 --> 00:48:23,350
it. Well, sort of. She told Glider straight
up that she never wanted to be a mom. But you

540
00:48:23,390 --> 00:48:27,113
think there would be more of an emotional fallout
from that. They kind of just moved past it

541
00:48:27,153 --> 00:48:31,897
right away. That's fair. I think I would be
much more emotionally distraught if my mother

542
00:48:31,937 --> 00:48:37,203
told me that. But... You know, Rebecca was largely
out of the picture during that portion of this

543
00:48:37,223 --> 00:48:42,866
season to begin with, so it didn't really bother
me that much. It was a non-satisfying side

544
00:48:42,906 --> 00:48:49,008
story, for sure. I would agree with that, yeah.
Episode 6 is titled Mother Daughter Day. Hell

545
00:48:49,028 --> 00:48:54,391
yeah. Glider attempts to reconcile with Rebecca
via a mother daughter day, with Malice tagging

546
00:48:54,451 --> 00:49:00,033
along at Rebecca's insistence. Before leaving,
Rebecca tells Kite Man that he is not right

547
00:49:00,053 --> 00:49:05,525
for her daughter, given his lack of prospects
and powers, which gets to him. Rebecca later

548
00:49:05,605 --> 00:49:10,528
abandons Glider, confessing that she never wanted
a child and left because she did not want to

549
00:49:10,548 --> 00:49:16,192
be killed by Glider's powers like Lawrence.
Angered, Glider tricks her into using the portal

550
00:49:16,232 --> 00:49:23,318
potty to travel back to 1986. Meanwhile, despite
his crush on Rebecca, Bane reunites with Betty,

551
00:49:23,478 --> 00:49:28,741
an old fling from Valentine's Day who convinces
him to give the relationship another chance.

552
00:49:29,134 --> 00:49:34,497
Concurrently, at the suggestion of Noonan's
former owner, Sean Noonan, Kite Man separately

553
00:49:34,597 --> 00:49:40,601
meets with Etchigan and Helen to get superpowers,
but is told by her that he must give up his

554
00:49:40,641 --> 00:49:46,906
kite in exchange. He agrees and becomes Beast
Mode, gaining the ability to telekinetically

555
00:49:46,986 --> 00:49:53,110
bully others, which costs him his relationship
with Glider. Satisfied that her plan is working,

556
00:49:53,570 --> 00:49:55,411
Helen burns his old kite.

557
00:49:58,882 --> 00:50:04,704
kind of switched to the side of Kite Man. We
see her throw the kite into the fire and she's

558
00:50:04,744 --> 00:50:09,406
laughing, but we never see her pull it out of
the fire when she gives the kite back to him

559
00:50:09,446 --> 00:50:15,428
later on in the season. It feels kind of cheap
that we never saw that transformation. It kind

560
00:50:15,448 --> 00:50:18,990
of seems like the writers wrote themselves into
a corner and they didn't really know what to

561
00:50:19,030 --> 00:50:23,472
do with the Helen Villigan character, so they
kind of just switched up her motivations a

562
00:50:23,512 --> 00:50:28,013
little bit in order to make Darkseid the big
bad guy. Right. Yeah, yeah, it does feel that

563
00:50:28,033 --> 00:50:32,863
way. I wonder why he had to give up the kite
to get the douchebag powers though. In a way

564
00:50:32,883 --> 00:50:37,464
it was almost kind of like giving up his soul.
He loved kites ever since he was a young kid,

565
00:50:37,904 --> 00:50:42,946
so for him to give up the things that he loves
as a way to gain powers, he was essentially

566
00:50:42,986 --> 00:50:47,167
making a deal with the devil. Right, but why
did Helen need him to get rid of the kite?

567
00:50:47,207 --> 00:50:51,748
It was like she was just fucking with him. Because
she knew it was the way that he was traditionally

568
00:50:51,848 --> 00:50:56,678
most effective, and for the purposes that she
needed him for, he didn't need the kite. I

569
00:50:56,698 --> 00:51:01,561
was really glad to see Etrigan and Betty from
the Valentine's Day special. I totally forgot

570
00:51:01,601 --> 00:51:06,224
about them, so that was a nice reminder. I wish
Etrigan made more appearances. Betty and Bane

571
00:51:06,424 --> 00:51:10,347
are meant to be together. I don't know what
he's doing around with this Rebecca girl. Right?

572
00:51:10,567 --> 00:51:16,591
That's what I'm saying. Episode 7 was titled
Sexiest Villain Alive. Hell yeah! With Bane,

573
00:51:16,631 --> 00:51:21,915
Luther, and Beast mode in the running for Sexiest
Villain Alive, Malice upgrades Bane's wardrobe

574
00:51:21,935 --> 00:51:29,159
to increase his chances. containing the anti-life
equation that she found in Nunegan's freezer,

575
00:51:29,439 --> 00:51:34,561
which she thinks is an accessory. Meanwhile,
Glider deduces that Helen can change Beast

576
00:51:34,621 --> 00:51:39,303
Mode back into Kite Man, so she nabs Helen's
power controller with the help of Clayface,

577
00:51:39,663 --> 00:51:44,986
but only the real Helen's eyes can bypass the
security. At the awards ceremony, the Queen

578
00:51:45,086 --> 00:51:50,468
and Moe bring Toyman and Insect Queen as dates,
with the latter luring Moe back to her hive

579
00:51:50,508 --> 00:51:55,439
to kill him. The Queen and Toyman follow to
warn him, only to stumble across the Queen's

580
00:51:55,559 --> 00:52:01,444
old body preserved in honey. Helen has the contest
rigged in Beast Mode's favor, ordering him

581
00:52:01,464 --> 00:52:06,769
to distract Luther with his insulting victory
speech while her Hummingbird drones hunt down

582
00:52:06,809 --> 00:52:12,133
the equation, which Luther has also located.
The briefcase eventually lands in the possession

583
00:52:12,193 --> 00:52:17,858
of Glider, who merges with the equation and
finally gains control of her powers. She forces

584
00:52:17,878 --> 00:52:22,931
Helen to let her access the power controller,
restoring Kite Man, and the two mend their

585
00:52:22,971 --> 00:52:27,815
relationship. I guess I want to know how Helen
knew about the anti-life equation, because

586
00:52:27,835 --> 00:52:31,598
that kind of seemed to come out of nowhere,
where suddenly all these villain characters

587
00:52:31,638 --> 00:52:35,421
are going after the same thing. Dude, Helen
knows about everything in the same way that

588
00:52:35,521 --> 00:52:41,547
Google does. Or Jeff Bezos. Right, yeah. My
favorite moment in this episode, I think, was

589
00:52:41,647 --> 00:52:46,751
when the Queen of Fables asked Toy Man if he
had a car, and he was like, sort of, and then

590
00:52:46,811 --> 00:52:51,439
the next thing we see him like carrying her
head in a wagon. I don't know why. I thought

591
00:52:51,459 --> 00:52:55,482
that was hilarious. I was kind of sad that we
didn't see a battle between Queen of Fables

592
00:52:55,722 --> 00:53:00,686
in her new body and the Hive Queen. It was just
mentioned as something that happened off screen.

593
00:53:01,147 --> 00:53:06,571
They should have shown that. Yeah, that was
weird. I love how enamored Kite Man's dad is

594
00:53:06,651 --> 00:53:12,376
with this new version of him as Beast Mode.
Yeah, it was funny when the dad was like, let's

595
00:53:12,396 --> 00:53:17,200
go to a titty bar, son. And Beast Mode was like,
I am the titty bar. And his dad was like, I

596
00:53:17,220 --> 00:53:19,301
don't know what that means, but I've never been
more proud.

597
00:53:22,447 --> 00:53:28,431
Everything was beast mode, I don't know why,
I just loved it. Episode 8 was titled, Just

598
00:53:28,571 --> 00:53:33,614
Right. Hell yeah. Kite Man and Glider are on
the run after obtaining the Anti-Life Equation

599
00:53:33,955 --> 00:53:38,838
and are allowed to hide out for one night at
a resort owned by Frank the Plant. Given his

600
00:53:38,898 --> 00:53:43,361
recent experience with a superpower, Kite Man
is concerned that the equation is corrupting

601
00:53:43,381 --> 00:53:48,745
his girlfriend and wants to get rid of it, especially
after she attacks random civilians out of paranoia

602
00:53:48,865 --> 00:53:53,937
and insecurity. Glider is faced with visions
of Rebecca, who suggests that they can rule

603
00:53:53,977 --> 00:53:59,122
the world together now that she has control
over her powers. Meanwhile, Bane is tasked

604
00:53:59,162 --> 00:54:04,347
with babysitting and escaped Goldilocks while
the Queen is out enjoying her old body, though

605
00:54:04,387 --> 00:54:09,772
Goldilocks' personality gets on everyone's nerves.
Bane takes Goldilocks to a meeting between

606
00:54:09,812 --> 00:54:14,317
him, Lex Luthor, and Helen Villigan, who have
temporarily joined forces to track down the

607
00:54:14,417 --> 00:54:19,103
equation. Though Goldilocks ruins their talk,
Bane decides that he should learn from her

608
00:54:19,143 --> 00:54:23,924
high standards and leaves, though the equation's
location is outed thanks to a call from Frank.

609
00:54:24,224 --> 00:54:29,145
Helen sends an army of robots to get the equation
back, though at Kite Man's insistence, Gleider

610
00:54:29,185 --> 00:54:34,907
tosses it into a nearby nuclear plant, destroying
the robots as well as the resort and restoring

611
00:54:34,927 --> 00:54:40,588
Gleider's personality. Ultimately, however,
the equation remains intact even after the

612
00:54:40,628 --> 00:54:46,459
explosion. I loved the dynamic between Bane
and Goldilocks. Like if they made a Bane show,

613
00:54:46,539 --> 00:54:51,983
I would want Goldilocks to be like his sidekick.
Or at least a recurring character from time

614
00:54:52,023 --> 00:54:56,986
to time of someone that he's supposed to take
care of. Episode 9 was titled, To Get to the

615
00:54:57,086 --> 00:55:02,390
Other Side. Hell yeah. To keep the anti-life
equation from Golden Glider, Luther, and Villigan,

616
00:55:02,770 --> 00:55:07,314
Kite Man steals a chicken delivery truck and
keeps the briefcase in the back, which mutates

617
00:55:07,354 --> 00:55:13,106
one of the chickens into a kaiju-sized carnivore.
Meanwhile, Malice is visited by Darkseid. who

618
00:55:13,186 --> 00:55:18,067
offers to let her serve him an apocalypse for
her dedication at Nuenen's, though she is conflicted

619
00:55:18,107 --> 00:55:23,408
about the proposal. When Sixpack lets slip that
Kite Man and Glider have the equation, she

620
00:55:23,448 --> 00:55:27,870
tells him that Luther actually has it, which
adds to her guilt. Darkseid learns that he

621
00:55:27,890 --> 00:55:33,311
was misled and sets out to find the equation
himself, unaware that Luther plans to recapture

622
00:55:33,351 --> 00:55:38,873
it by holding Nuenen at gunpoint to lure Kite
Man back home. His attempt is thwarted by the

623
00:55:38,913 --> 00:55:44,504
rest of the bar gang, including Bane. who unknowingly
sends Goldilocks to the portal potty to shield

624
00:55:44,544 --> 00:55:49,688
her from the violence. After Cheshire fails
to subdue the giant chicken, Glider and Kite-Man

625
00:55:49,728 --> 00:55:55,613
defeat it by making it cough up the briefcase,
dying to keep holding onto it. Back on Apocalypse,

626
00:55:56,074 --> 00:56:01,118
Darkseid, determined to complete his search
for the equation, decides to confront Malice

627
00:56:01,138 --> 00:56:06,082
about the truth using a tracking app that came
with Cheshire. I didn't love this episode.

628
00:56:06,502 --> 00:56:11,562
The chicken largely felt like filler. Absolutely.
And I don't know if the... payoff was quite

629
00:56:11,582 --> 00:56:16,783
there. No, it was definitely just, you know,
a stall tactic to get through another episode

630
00:56:16,903 --> 00:56:21,664
for them to go right back to Noonan's. I also
thought the whole thing with them being on

631
00:56:21,705 --> 00:56:26,226
the run just felt like filler. We haven't really
talked about the look of the equation yet.

632
00:56:26,286 --> 00:56:30,867
I love that they made it like the Pulp Fiction
briefcase. Whenever I watch Pulp Fiction now,

633
00:56:31,127 --> 00:56:35,368
yeah, I'm just going to think that, oh, that's
the anti-life equation. Yeah, that's my headcanon

634
00:56:35,388 --> 00:56:41,542
now. Moving on to the final episode titled Hero
Stuff. Hell yeah. Helen captures Kite Man and

635
00:56:41,562 --> 00:56:46,363
Glider and informs the couple that according
to her algorithm, the world population would

636
00:56:46,403 --> 00:56:52,025
be fully destroyed no matter who handles the
anti-life equation except for Kite Man. They

637
00:56:52,045 --> 00:56:56,846
are then spared since Helen wants their help
to keep her existing business. The couple hold

638
00:56:56,886 --> 00:57:01,788
a meeting with those in Nuenens and decide that
Kite Man should commit suicide after absorbing

639
00:57:01,828 --> 00:57:07,569
the equation like the Exorcist and Glider would
be the Mercy Killer. As they get ready on the

640
00:57:07,629 --> 00:57:12,068
roof of Nuenens, Lex Luthor tracks down the
couple and arrives with the Legion of Doom.

641
00:57:12,388 --> 00:57:16,951
Their friends defend them from the attack until
Darkseid shows up after learning Kiteman's

642
00:57:16,991 --> 00:57:23,275
plan for Malice. Darkseid almost takes the equation,
but Helen's robots and Glider delay him until

643
00:57:23,335 --> 00:57:28,639
Rebecca, who traveled back to the present upon
hearing stories from Goldilocks, grabs the

644
00:57:28,699 --> 00:57:33,722
equation and jumps inside the Queen of Fairy
Tales book. The book is then taken far away

645
00:57:33,762 --> 00:57:39,370
by Martian Manhunter, who has been disguised
as Gus since the group meeting. Lex retreats

646
00:57:39,530 --> 00:57:44,791
sadly while Darkseid and Helen make peace with
Nuenen's group. As Kite Man and Glider enjoy

647
00:57:44,811 --> 00:57:49,913
the blue skies ahead, Rebecca has killed off
the current evil fairy godmother and becomes

648
00:57:49,953 --> 00:57:55,534
the new evil fairy godmother with the anti-life
equation. As she prepares for a future invasion

649
00:57:55,854 --> 00:58:02,056
with the demonized storybook characters, Brainiac's
skullship approaches Earth from outer space.

650
00:58:02,136 --> 00:58:07,530
And now I'm wondering if they're gonna address
Brainiac's arrival on Earth in the Harley or

651
00:58:07,570 --> 00:58:11,452
if they're just gonna completely ignore it.
Yeah, is that a set up for season two of Kite

652
00:58:11,472 --> 00:58:17,555
Man or is that set up for season five of Harley
Quinn? Not sure. I loved all the references

653
00:58:17,675 --> 00:58:21,918
to The Exorcist. Like it came up so much more
than I thought it would, which is a spoiler

654
00:58:21,938 --> 00:58:25,740
for The Exorcist for anyone who hasn't seen
it, by the way. I like how they turned it into

655
00:58:25,780 --> 00:58:31,704
a verb where to exorcist yourself means to get
possessed by something and then kill yourself

656
00:58:31,724 --> 00:58:36,210
to kill it. It's very convoluted, but it's kind
of funny the way they do it. I even love how

657
00:58:36,290 --> 00:58:42,014
Darkseid knew about what happens in the movie.
Yeah. That's great. I really liked this end

658
00:58:42,034 --> 00:58:46,598
battle. I thought it was cool to see the Legion
of Doom go up against Nuenen's bar people.

659
00:58:46,838 --> 00:58:50,421
I thought it was a well planned out fight even
though it was fairly brief. I also liked this

660
00:58:50,481 --> 00:58:55,545
episode overall just as a conclusion for season
one. Again, I'm not sure how the concluding

661
00:58:55,865 --> 00:59:00,588
moments will set up future seasons, but it was
nice to see Kaiman and Glider just kind of

662
00:59:00,809 --> 00:59:05,923
sail off into the sunset. I thought it was kind
of weird how Helen Villigan all of a sudden

663
00:59:05,943 --> 00:59:10,426
had these simulation scenarios that she was
running, kind of like a Monte Carlo simulator

664
00:59:10,446 --> 00:59:14,768
or something like that we use here. Yeah. But
she didn't have access to that information

665
00:59:14,808 --> 00:59:18,810
in previous episodes, so it was just kind of
convenient that they introduced that idea in

666
00:59:18,830 --> 00:59:24,353
this episode. Yeah. I am almost wondering if
Lance Riddick's death kind of threw a wrench

667
00:59:24,434 --> 00:59:28,216
in everything, because he was the voice of Lex
Luthor for a majority of the series, except

668
00:59:28,236 --> 00:59:32,494
for the last two episodes. You know, I thought
that exact same thing. Because... once they

669
00:59:32,514 --> 00:59:38,601
got the new voice in there, his role seemed
substantially lessened. Oh, for sure, yeah.

670
00:59:39,441 --> 00:59:45,188
And I'll say that the new voice wasn't nearly
as good. I agree. Not bad, but yeah, it just

671
00:59:45,228 --> 00:59:50,473
wasn't the same. Noticeably so. But that does
it for the show. Overall, I had a good time

672
00:59:50,493 --> 00:59:55,582
with season one of Kite Man, you know, with
laugh out load moments. raunchy romance and

673
00:59:55,642 --> 01:00:01,545
high-flying stakes. It offered an entertaining
yet all-too-familiar look at Gotham's lovable

674
01:00:01,585 --> 01:00:07,647
losers. It didn't break ground in the same way
that I feel the Harley Quinn series does with

675
01:00:07,707 --> 01:00:12,709
its often introspective episodes. There's nothing
like that in Kite Man. I do think the show

676
01:00:12,749 --> 01:00:18,872
has promise, though not as much promise as what
the show could have been if it was something

677
01:00:18,952 --> 01:00:24,418
slightly different and slightly more unique,
I would say. I'm giving it 3 out of 5 stars,

678
01:00:24,638 --> 01:00:30,520
a fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes, though I
would mostly just recommend this to fans of

679
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:34,761
the Harley Quinn show. Yeah, I would agree.
The show doesn't really hold up to the main

680
01:00:34,801 --> 01:00:39,903
Harley Quinn series, so it shouldn't be rated
as high as what we did for those reviews. We

681
01:00:39,943 --> 01:00:43,604
gave the Valentine's Day special 3 stars, and
I think this holds up with that because I enjoyed

682
01:00:43,644 --> 01:00:48,205
the Valentine's Day special for Harley Quinn.
And yeah, I think ultimately I would also recommend

683
01:00:48,225 --> 01:00:52,674
the show, but again, to certain people. but
any sort of fan of comedy I think would enjoy

684
01:00:52,714 --> 01:00:59,397
it. Are you excited for a season two? Not really,
no. I could actually take it or leave it. I

685
01:00:59,417 --> 01:01:04,059
am excited for Harley Quinn season five though.
So I think that says a lot. Yeah, yeah, I don't

686
01:01:04,079 --> 01:01:07,700
think we have a release date for that yet. I
could be wrong, but I am looking forward to

687
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:14,562
that as well. But that does it for this review.
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In our next episode, we will be reviewing the
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01:01:49,519 --> 01:01:53,943
Joker Folly Ado. I've been looking forward to
this for a couple years now, ever since it

695
01:01:53,963 --> 01:01:59,288
was first announced. I think I might be seeing
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01:01:59,629 --> 01:02:03,692
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