1 00:00:00,930 --> 00:00:02,963 This is a DynaMic Network podcast. 2 00:00:24,398 --> 00:00:29,620 And welcome to the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly show where we review superhero films and debate 3 00:00:29,660 --> 00:00:35,302 the superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing their characters in stat-based battle simulations. 4 00:00:35,723 --> 00:00:43,066 I'm Johnny DC. And I'm his twin brother, Marvelous Joe. And in this episode, we are doing a spooktacular 5 00:00:43,106 --> 00:00:50,009 duel between two witch characters, Clarion the Witch Boy from DC and Agatha Harkness from 6 00:00:50,089 --> 00:00:56,359 Marvel. who currently of course has her own series on Disney Plus, Agatha All Along. Yeah, 7 00:00:56,439 --> 00:01:00,560 I haven't started watching it yet. I'm hoping to binge it right before Halloween, because 8 00:01:00,580 --> 00:01:04,541 it feels very Halloween-y and I don't want to wait week to week, basically. Well, hopefully 9 00:01:04,641 --> 00:01:09,043 this episode will help people get in the Halloween spirit, but before we get into the duel, we're 10 00:01:09,063 --> 00:01:12,764 going to break down the comic book movie news from the past week, of which there's really 11 00:01:12,784 --> 00:01:18,045 just one news item, and that was that Aaron Pierre has been cast as Jon Stewart in the 12 00:01:18,085 --> 00:01:22,457 Green Lantern series. As always, we list our segment times in our episode description, so 13 00:01:22,477 --> 00:01:26,723 feel free to check out the show notes if you want to skip ahead to a particular topic. Guys, 14 00:01:26,763 --> 00:01:30,848 our artificially intelligent duel simulator AJ9K has a quick message for our listeners, 15 00:01:31,229 --> 00:01:37,811 so listen up! Why hello there, do you want even more from this podcast? Then become a part 16 00:01:37,851 --> 00:01:42,593 of the dynamic duel community on Patreon, where you can choose from three tiers. 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Guys, be sure to tune into the other shows 24 00:02:20,710 --> 00:02:25,313 on the DynaMic Podcast Network this week, including Max Destruction, which pits your favorite action 25 00:02:25,353 --> 00:02:30,556 heroes from film and television against each other. This week, hosts Scotty and Gilly are 26 00:02:30,636 --> 00:02:36,739 reviewing Beetlejuice for Spooktober. On the Cedro World podcast, host Zachary Hepburn speculates 27 00:02:36,779 --> 00:02:42,302 on fights between fan favorite anime and manga characters. He did not release an episode last 28 00:02:42,362 --> 00:02:48,354 week due to being sick, so the Muzan from Demon Slayer and Femto from Berserk episode will 29 00:02:48,374 --> 00:02:54,116 be this Thursday. And on the Console Combat Podcast, hosts John and Dean simulate battles 30 00:02:54,156 --> 00:02:59,038 between popular video game characters, and yesterday's episode they reviewed Five Nights at Freddy's. 31 00:02:59,499 --> 00:03:04,581 Visit dynamicpodcasts.com or click the link in our show notes to listen to all of the shows 32 00:03:04,741 --> 00:03:12,124 in the DynaMic Podcast Network. But with that out of the way, quick to the No Prize! A No 33 00:03:12,164 --> 00:03:16,471 Prize is an award Marvel used to give out to fans. Our version, the Dynamic Duel No Prize, 34 00:03:16,751 --> 00:03:21,034 is a digital award we post on Instagram for the person that we feel gave the best answer 35 00:03:21,074 --> 00:03:25,957 to our question of the week. Last week we asked you guys, who's your favorite Robin character 36 00:03:25,977 --> 00:03:31,841 from the comics, and why? We got a lot of answers, 8 in total, but only 3 got an honorable mention, 37 00:03:32,202 --> 00:03:35,904 and there was one No Prize winner, so let's go ahead and run those down. Our first honorable 38 00:03:35,944 --> 00:03:38,826 mention goes to Mason Thompson, who said, 39 00:03:44,306 --> 00:03:49,009 So I'll pull from the main selection. I'm gonna go with Jason, you know He went from people 40 00:03:49,049 --> 00:03:55,834 wanting to vote him to get killed off To him coming back and he's popular in the main media 41 00:03:55,954 --> 00:04:00,797 and he's a fan favorite I mean, that's just an insane comeback to not choose him He has 42 00:04:00,837 --> 00:04:06,741 so much depth to him and feel just with Bruce and his connection So yeah, give me Jason is 43 00:04:06,781 --> 00:04:12,485 the best Robin. Yeah, Jason Todd has one of the most interesting Backstories of a comic 44 00:04:12,505 --> 00:04:17,744 book character ever. Fans initially hated him, like Mason said. They voted for the character 45 00:04:17,804 --> 00:04:24,648 to die decades ago. Although that wasn't really true. Yeah, actually one guy used a speed dialer 46 00:04:24,708 --> 00:04:29,491 to vote way more times than anyone else, so it was kind of rigged. But, you know, for the 47 00:04:29,511 --> 00:04:36,535 character to come back and be arguably the coolest Robin as Red Hood is quite the character arc. 48 00:04:36,895 --> 00:04:40,297 Yeah, he had a lot of attitude as a Robin, which I think a lot of people didn't like, but... 49 00:04:40,618 --> 00:04:44,659 It makes sense to parlay that attitude into more of a badass character in the Bat Family. 50 00:04:44,899 --> 00:04:48,621 And he has a really cool look to him too, so. Yeah, absolutely. Of course, if you want to 51 00:04:48,641 --> 00:04:52,883 learn more about Jason Todd, we put him in one of our duel episodes against the Punisher. 52 00:04:53,343 --> 00:04:59,385 Great answer Mason! Our next honorable mention goes to Travis Herndon, who said, What's up 53 00:04:59,405 --> 00:05:04,027 dynamic dudes? Travis here. Shout out to my evil twin. So my pick would have to be Duke 54 00:05:04,167 --> 00:05:11,522 Thomas. Now I know he wasn't exactly chosen by Bruce. to be the new Robin it was Alfred 55 00:05:11,562 --> 00:05:17,144 but Alfred is Bruce's second in command and I think Duke is pretty cool Robin at the time 56 00:05:17,264 --> 00:05:22,045 and very underrated compared to like all the rest of the other bat family so yeah my answer 57 00:05:22,065 --> 00:05:27,046 would be Duke Thomas that's my favorite Robin. Yeah Duke Thomas was a character who came around 58 00:05:27,126 --> 00:05:33,668 during a time when Batman Bruce Wayne was dead but he quickly emerged as a pretty popular 59 00:05:33,728 --> 00:05:39,710 teenage hero within Gotham of course he was never officially a Robin. but he is still a 60 00:05:39,770 --> 00:05:44,774 part of the Bat Family as the character of Signal, Gotham's daytime protector, considering that 61 00:05:44,814 --> 00:05:50,859 Duke Thomas is a metahuman with powers. What kind of powers? It involves light. I forget 62 00:05:50,879 --> 00:05:56,424 the exact name of it, but he could essentially see the past sort of almost like in a photographic 63 00:05:56,464 --> 00:06:01,108 way. Like if he looks into a room through the light, he can see what had transpired there 64 00:06:01,188 --> 00:06:06,012 earlier. That's pretty cool. Yeah, it is really cool. Great answer, Travis Herndon. Our next 65 00:06:06,032 --> 00:06:12,185 honorable mention goes to Gavin Carrasco. Who said? Hello, this is Gavin, first time responder. 66 00:06:14,127 --> 00:06:19,531 I am coming with the hot take of Kara Kelly from The Dark Knight Returns. I always thought 67 00:06:19,571 --> 00:06:24,656 she was the best of Dick Grayson with his wit and charm, and I always thought she was smart 68 00:06:24,676 --> 00:06:30,321 like Tim Drake. And those are two of the best Robins, so them combined made a really good 69 00:06:30,902 --> 00:06:35,650 Robin for an amazing Batman. So that's my answer, Kara Kelly from The Dark Knight Returns. Yeah, 70 00:06:35,690 --> 00:06:40,352 I still remember the first time I read The Dark Knight Returns and how cool the character of 71 00:06:40,392 --> 00:06:45,115 Carrie Kelly was as a Robin. She, of course, was the very first female Robin, you know, 72 00:06:45,195 --> 00:06:50,798 outside of DC's standard continuity. And she did a fantastic job. Fan favorite, totally. 73 00:06:51,078 --> 00:06:56,581 A favorite of mine for sure. So great answer, Gavin. Was she Robin chronologically before 74 00:06:56,621 --> 00:07:00,523 Stephanie Brown was? Because I know Spoiler has been a Robin as well. Well, Spoiler wasn't 75 00:07:00,543 --> 00:07:07,719 a Robin until I think the 2000s. Oh. So... Chronologically, it's hard to say because the Dark Knight returns 76 00:07:07,759 --> 00:07:12,642 takes place in the future. But from a publishing standpoint Yeah, Carrie Kelly was the first 77 00:07:12,722 --> 00:07:18,005 Robin. She wasn't Robin for long She moved on to being cat girl by the sequel to that story 78 00:07:18,385 --> 00:07:22,908 But yeah, she still made for a cool Robin great answer Gavin We want to give a quick shout 79 00:07:22,948 --> 00:07:28,551 out to Cyrus Moore Daniel Alonso Daniel you give the best answer. Basically his answer 80 00:07:28,591 --> 00:07:34,418 was who cares? It's Robin and as a Marvel fan. I just loved that Shout out to Mike Williams 81 00:07:34,558 --> 00:07:38,682 and Peter Trull for calling in with your answers. Thanks for taking the time to do that. But 82 00:07:38,702 --> 00:07:43,906 the winner of this week's No Prize is... Miggy Mattingian, who said... Hey what's up guys, 83 00:07:43,926 --> 00:07:48,750 this is Miggy and my favorite Robin is the OG, the best Robin, Dick Grayson. He's the paragon 84 00:07:48,770 --> 00:07:53,114 of everything DC represents. He overcame great tragedy, the selflessly championed hope and 85 00:07:53,134 --> 00:07:58,358 compassion to a world without those in and out of the costume, and grew into a respected figure 86 00:07:58,418 --> 00:08:03,026 in the universe. He led teams like the Titans and the Outsiders to bring about justice. and 87 00:08:03,066 --> 00:08:08,029 even led the entire superhero community through several world-shattering events like Dark Crisis, 88 00:08:08,089 --> 00:08:12,973 Beast World, and Absolute Power. And he's just really damn cool. Thanks guys. Yeah, I know 89 00:08:13,053 --> 00:08:19,057 of no bigger Nightwing Dick Grayson fan than our executive producer, Miggie Mathingian. 90 00:08:19,578 --> 00:08:24,721 I agree Dick Grayson is the best Robin for all of the reasons that Miggie just stated. He 91 00:08:24,761 --> 00:08:29,185 is one of the most interesting and probably one of the most important characters in the 92 00:08:29,225 --> 00:08:34,527 entirety of DC Comics. someone who represents the hope and compassion of Superman, but with 93 00:08:34,567 --> 00:08:40,608 all of the ability and expertise of Batman, he's just a fantastic character. Yeah, if you're 94 00:08:40,748 --> 00:08:45,649 a member of our Discord channel, you know how much Mickey loves Dick. He loves Dick a lot. 95 00:08:46,290 --> 00:08:51,211 Maybe too much, some might say, because the character is just so-so. I only see him as 96 00:08:51,271 --> 00:08:55,312 the character who lost to Daredevil in the duel that we had between those two characters. Oh 97 00:08:55,352 --> 00:08:57,993 wow, look, a Marvel fan with a low-hanging fruit. 98 00:09:01,678 --> 00:09:05,724 Great answer, Miggy! Proud of you, Miggy! You win this week's No Prize. If you, the listener, 99 00:09:05,744 --> 00:09:09,830 wanna try winning your own No Prize, stay tuned till later on in this episode when we'll be 100 00:09:09,930 --> 00:09:14,397 asking another Question of the Week. But with that out of the way, on to the news! 101 00:09:19,918 --> 00:09:26,262 Okay, so a few weeks ago we learned that Kyle Chandler was cast as Hal Jordan in the upcoming 102 00:09:26,402 --> 00:09:32,546 Lantern series for HBO that's going to be a part of James Gunn's new DC Cinematic Universe. 103 00:09:32,946 --> 00:09:37,289 Now, the series supposedly has two leads, Hal Jordan and Jon Stewart, and we've been waiting 104 00:09:37,329 --> 00:09:42,433 to see who is going to be cast as Jon Stewart, this iconic Green Lantern character, and it 105 00:09:42,453 --> 00:09:48,637 looks like James Gunn has gone with Aaron Pierre from the Netflix movie Rebel Ridge. Which I 106 00:09:48,657 --> 00:09:54,323 have not seen. But I hear is good. It's really hard to be excited about this casting because 107 00:09:54,443 --> 00:09:58,464 I have not seen that yet. I haven't seen it either, but apparently it's pretty popular 108 00:09:58,544 --> 00:10:03,365 on Netflix. Yeah, and a lot of people are praising his performance in it. I know he has a ton 109 00:10:03,405 --> 00:10:08,707 of upcoming work, including The Lion King. He's doing voice work for Mufasa. He's also playing 110 00:10:08,827 --> 00:10:14,708 Malcolm X in the Nat Geo series, MLK slash X. The guy is definitely gonna be a star, especially 111 00:10:14,748 --> 00:10:19,894 with this series. I think the craziest thing about him is that, I think he is green eyes 112 00:10:19,914 --> 00:10:23,956 or blue eyes or something like that. They're very piercing in a way that the comic book 113 00:10:23,976 --> 00:10:29,520 character John Stewart also has. Yeah, yeah, John Stewart has green eyes in the comics when 114 00:10:29,560 --> 00:10:34,342 he has his green lantern ring on, but it's like they don't have any easy to do CGI for Aaron 115 00:10:34,382 --> 00:10:38,965 Pierce eyes because yeah, those things are really bright, really striking. I wonder if that's 116 00:10:39,005 --> 00:10:42,627 one of the reasons he was chosen. Well that, I mean, you know, he has a strong military 117 00:10:42,767 --> 00:10:47,730 look to him. I believe him as, you know, this ex-military guy. If you guys want to learn 118 00:10:47,750 --> 00:10:52,113 more about the comic book character of Jon Stewart, check out his duel episode we did against Quasar. 119 00:10:52,593 --> 00:10:57,136 Yeah, that was a fun episode. Jon Stewart is my favorite Green Lantern, so I'm pretty excited 120 00:10:57,176 --> 00:11:01,458 for this casting, given though I'm not too familiar with the actor. I'm more excited for this casting, 121 00:11:01,758 --> 00:11:06,241 actually, than I was of hearing that Kyle Chandler was playing Kal Jordan. I wonder how the two 122 00:11:06,261 --> 00:11:11,204 will do chemistry wise. I know that all the actors in Final Contention for the role of 123 00:11:11,244 --> 00:11:15,726 Jon Stewart had to do a chemistry reading with Kyle Chandler. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. 124 00:11:15,746 --> 00:11:19,527 That's great to hear. Well, if they chose Aaron Pierre, then you know, I'm sure the chemistry 125 00:11:19,608 --> 00:11:24,790 was fantastic. I'm actually really curious to see what the dynamic will be between the two. 126 00:11:25,130 --> 00:11:29,672 I'm assuming Kyle Chandler's Hal Jordan will be training Aaron Pierre's Jon Stewart, but 127 00:11:29,692 --> 00:11:35,474 we'll see if that's the case. The Lantern Show has a phenomenal crew behind the scenes, including 128 00:11:35,534 --> 00:11:40,956 writers Chris Mundy and Damon Lindelof. I expect really good things from this show. And speaking 129 00:11:41,056 --> 00:11:44,137 of great superhero shows, that brings us to our question of the week. 130 00:11:48,738 --> 00:11:55,501 What has been your favorite live action Marvel or DC television series so far, and why? There 131 00:11:55,521 --> 00:12:00,864 have been quite a few to come out now, and pretty much across the whole spectrum of really good 132 00:12:00,924 --> 00:12:06,527 to not so good. So I'm curious to hear what your favorite is. Record your answer at dynamicduel.com 133 00:12:06,987 --> 00:12:10,349 by clicking on the red microphone button in the bottom right hand corner of the screen, 134 00:12:10,669 --> 00:12:14,972 which will prompt you to leave us a voicemail. Your message could be up to 30 seconds long, 135 00:12:15,072 --> 00:12:18,939 and don't forget to leave your name in case we include you on the podcast. We'll pick our 136 00:12:18,959 --> 00:12:23,490 favorite answer and award that person a Dynamic duel No Prize that we'll post to Instagram. 137 00:12:23,871 --> 00:12:26,197 Be sure to answer before October 19th. 138 00:12:33,358 --> 00:12:37,383 But that does it for all the news for this episode. So now let's go ahead and move on to our main 139 00:12:37,423 --> 00:12:43,872 event, where we pit and a duel the two witch characters of Clarion the Witch Boy and Agatha 140 00:12:43,913 --> 00:12:44,413 Harkness. 141 00:12:59,626 --> 00:13:05,948 Okay, Clarion the Witch Boy versus Agatha Harkness. Of course, we wanted to do a Titan duel to 142 00:13:06,048 --> 00:13:11,069 Agatha Harkness because we knew that she was going to be having her television series, Agatha 143 00:13:11,129 --> 00:13:16,811 All Along, currently airing on Disney Plus during the Halloween season. So it seemed very appropriate 144 00:13:16,831 --> 00:13:23,353 to do a witch duel. Now us and the executive producers had a hard time finding a match for 145 00:13:23,473 --> 00:13:29,336 Agatha. Initially, We had voted that we wanted to put her up against Madame Xanadu, but in 146 00:13:29,396 --> 00:13:34,819 the end we determined that we could play up on Agatha Harkness's old age, as she has been 147 00:13:34,859 --> 00:13:40,262 typically depicted in the comics for the majority of her appearances in the comic books, against 148 00:13:40,402 --> 00:13:45,725 the age of Clarion the Witch Boy, who's a young child. Both of them have cats, both of them 149 00:13:45,745 --> 00:13:51,729 are witches, both of them are pretty powerful, so it seemed like a pretty good matchup. Yeah, 150 00:13:51,829 --> 00:13:59,056 it's young versus old. Cat versus cat, Agatha the witch versus Clarion the bitch. Whoa! Yeah, 151 00:13:59,076 --> 00:14:04,238 she's gonna make him her bitch in this episode. I don't know if you knew that. I had to. Man, 152 00:14:04,318 --> 00:14:09,921 with the low hanging fruit, you're right. Be better. But to explain the methodology behind 153 00:14:10,001 --> 00:14:16,103 our duels, let's go to our sentient duel simulator, Alfred Jarvis 9000. AJ9K, tell our listeners 154 00:14:16,123 --> 00:14:21,714 how you go about determining a winner in our duel matchups. Yes, of course, sir. The way 155 00:14:21,774 --> 00:14:26,197 I determine a winner between the contestants is by running 1000 Monte Carlo simulations 156 00:14:26,297 --> 00:14:31,180 using the characters statistics. A Monte Carlo simulation is a probabilistic model used to 157 00:14:31,220 --> 00:14:36,344 determine outcomes through random sampling. In this case, I randomise the statistics along 158 00:14:36,364 --> 00:14:40,827 a normal distribution as a way to simulate the many variables that can occur during battle. 159 00:14:41,227 --> 00:14:45,990 The stat parameters are based on the official Marvel power grid from which the DC characters 160 00:14:46,030 --> 00:14:47,391 statistics are extrapolated. 161 00:14:50,838 --> 00:14:55,967 damage potential, versatility and perception in order to create a more detailed and accurate 162 00:14:56,007 --> 00:15:01,357 simulation. The results of the 1000 simulations provide a percentage of wins for each character. 163 00:15:01,998 --> 00:15:06,401 Contestant with the higher percentage is declared the victor as they have a higher probability 164 00:15:06,441 --> 00:15:12,265 to win any given battle. In an equitable pairing, neither character should win 100% of the matches. 165 00:15:12,765 --> 00:15:17,268 The comic book stories have shown that there's even a way for Batman to defeat Superman, so 166 00:15:17,288 --> 00:15:21,171 the confidence rate of my method falls in line with the precedents that have been established 167 00:15:21,211 --> 00:15:26,774 in the source material. My mathematical simulations are without subjectivity or bias. Feats are 168 00:15:26,794 --> 00:15:31,157 not the sole consideration, nor are fan votes tabulated for determination of the winner. 169 00:15:32,578 --> 00:15:37,081 Thanks AJ9K! Before we run the simulations though, we'd like to break down each character's histories 170 00:15:37,101 --> 00:15:42,286 and abilities before improvising a scenario on how we imagine one of the 1,000 simulations 171 00:15:42,306 --> 00:15:46,949 would play out beat for beat. And I believe it's my turn to go first this episode with 172 00:15:46,989 --> 00:15:52,034 the Marvel characters backstory, so let me go ahead and tell you guys all about Agatha Harkness. 173 00:15:52,614 --> 00:15:58,199 Agatha Harkness's early life is largely unknown, but she has claimed to be centuries old, living 174 00:15:58,299 --> 00:16:04,303 before the fall of Atlantis over 20,000 years ago. As a child of the ancient world, she began 175 00:16:04,323 --> 00:16:09,545 her practice in witchcraft early on and eventually became one of the Earth's most powerful sorceresses. 176 00:16:10,045 --> 00:16:15,747 Her earliest documented activities took place during the 1600s in an Eastern European country 177 00:16:15,787 --> 00:16:20,950 called Transia, near Wondagore Mountain, where she was part of a coven of witches that faced 178 00:16:21,050 --> 00:16:26,372 persecution during the height of the witch hunts across Europe at the time. By the late 17th 179 00:16:26,412 --> 00:16:32,250 century, Agatha had relocated to Salem, Massachusetts. where she established her own coven during 180 00:16:32,290 --> 00:16:38,012 the infamous Salem witch trials. Rather than hide from persecution this time, Agatha embraced 181 00:16:38,072 --> 00:16:42,113 it, believing that the trials were a way to strengthen the magical community by weeding 182 00:16:42,193 --> 00:16:47,094 out those who were not strong enough to survive. She sent some of her own followers to be judged 183 00:16:47,174 --> 00:16:51,915 and executed, believing that their sacrifice would make the remaining witches more resilient. 184 00:16:52,416 --> 00:16:58,077 During this time, Agatha encountered the time displaced pyrokinetic mutant Firestar, whom 185 00:16:59,722 --> 00:17:05,186 and tried without success to burn at the stake. Agatha admired Firestar's resilience in the 186 00:17:05,226 --> 00:17:10,710 face of adversity and her refusal to embrace violence as a solution. This influenced Agatha 187 00:17:10,750 --> 00:17:16,494 to abandon the idea of open warfare between witches and non-magical humans and she led 188 00:17:16,534 --> 00:17:22,038 the surviving witches westward, establishing a hidden witch community called New Salem in 189 00:17:22,058 --> 00:17:26,961 the mountains of what would later become Colorado. Here the witches were able to live in peace. 190 00:17:27,502 --> 00:17:32,743 far away from the fear and persecution from mankind. In New Salem, Agatha gave birth to 191 00:17:32,783 --> 00:17:38,525 her son, Nicholas Scratch, who would later become one of her most dangerous enemies. Over time, 192 00:17:38,705 --> 00:17:44,326 into the modern era, Agatha's ideals shifted, and she began to see the dangers of the covens 193 00:17:44,426 --> 00:17:49,668 isolation. Believing that New Salem's retreat from the world would eventually lead to stagnation 194 00:17:49,748 --> 00:17:54,709 and decline, she left the community to rejoin the wider world. Her departure left a void 195 00:17:54,729 --> 00:17:59,292 in New Salem's leadership. and Nicholas Scratch took advantage of this, rising to power and 196 00:17:59,332 --> 00:18:04,416 fostering a deep resentment toward his mother for abandoning the community. After leaving 197 00:18:04,456 --> 00:18:09,880 New Salem, Agatha settled in New York, where she became the governess for Franklin Richards, 198 00:18:09,980 --> 00:18:15,604 the young son of Reed and Sue Storm of the Fantastic Four. Though the Richards family initially 199 00:18:15,644 --> 00:18:20,988 had no idea of Agatha's true nature, her powers were soon revealed when the Frightful Four 200 00:18:21,048 --> 00:18:26,284 villain team attempted to kidnap Franklin. Agatha used her magic to easily defeat the villains, 201 00:18:26,604 --> 00:18:32,048 including transforming her cat Ebony into a powerful panther to drive the intruders away. 202 00:18:32,528 --> 00:18:36,891 Her time with Franklin allowed her to bond with the Richards family, though her relationship 203 00:18:36,911 --> 00:18:42,475 with them would soon be tested by the return of her estranged son, Nicholas Scratch. Scratch, 204 00:18:42,775 --> 00:18:47,959 now the leader of New Salem, convinced the witches of that coven to abduct Agatha and Franklin, 205 00:18:48,319 --> 00:18:52,902 bringing them back to stand trial for their supposed crimes. The Fantastic Four pursued 206 00:18:53,022 --> 00:18:57,064 Agatha and Franklin to New Salem, where they clashed with Nicholas Scratch's seven children, 207 00:18:57,445 --> 00:19:02,828 known as Salem Seven, who had inherited immense magical powers from their father. Agatha and 208 00:19:02,848 --> 00:19:07,550 the Fantastic Four ultimately defeated Salem Seven, revealing the truth of Nicholas Scratch's 209 00:19:07,650 --> 00:19:13,013 evil machinations, and the people of New Salem banished Scratch to another dimension. Following 210 00:19:13,053 --> 00:19:18,396 her time with the Fantastic Four, Agatha shifted her focus to another powerful individuel, Wanda 211 00:19:18,436 --> 00:19:24,399 Maximoff the Scarlet Witch. whose mutant abilities were intertwined with dark magical forces, 212 00:19:24,859 --> 00:19:30,202 desperately sought control over her powers, which had become increasingly unstable. Agatha 213 00:19:30,242 --> 00:19:34,944 saw the danger the Scarlet Witch posed, both to herself and to the world, and agreed to 214 00:19:34,984 --> 00:19:40,626 become her magical mentor. You can learn more in our Zatanna vs Scarlet Witch duel episode. 215 00:19:40,646 --> 00:19:44,988 Under Agatha's guidance, the Scarlet Witch learned to tap into her abilities more effectively. 216 00:19:45,388 --> 00:19:50,095 Though Agatha kept the full truth of her powers, particularly their connection to the dark god 217 00:19:50,115 --> 00:19:55,618 of chaos, C'thun, hidden from her. Agatha's mentorship helped Scarlet Witch grow as a magic 218 00:19:55,738 --> 00:20:00,380 user, and her newfound control over her powers left her confident to marry her romantic partner, 219 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:05,683 Vision, an android, which led to the subsequent birth of their twin children. You can learn 220 00:20:05,723 --> 00:20:10,746 more about Vision in his duel against Marsha Manhunter. Wanda's children were later revealed 221 00:20:10,786 --> 00:20:18,814 to be magical constructs created from the fragments of the demon Mephisto's soul. Agatha made the 222 00:20:18,854 --> 00:20:23,697 difficult decision to erase Wanda's memories of her kids, believing it to be the only way 223 00:20:23,717 --> 00:20:28,941 to spare her from the overwhelming grief. This act, though well-intentioned, planted the seeds 224 00:20:28,981 --> 00:20:33,704 for Wanda's eventual mental breakdown. Agatha continued to aid Wanda through her personal 225 00:20:33,744 --> 00:20:37,767 struggles, helping her face threats such as Immortus, who sought to manipulate Wanda's 226 00:20:37,807 --> 00:20:42,731 reality-warping abilities for his own purposes. With Agatha's help, the Avengers were able 227 00:20:42,771 --> 00:20:47,806 to defeat Immortus, though Wanda's fragile mental state remained a constant concern. Years of 228 00:20:47,866 --> 00:20:53,208 repressed trauma eventually led to Wanda's breakdown, in part triggered by psychological manipulations 229 00:20:53,268 --> 00:20:58,851 by the villain Dr. Doom. In her grief and rage, Scarlet Witch destroyed the Avengers Mansion, 230 00:20:59,091 --> 00:21:03,853 which led to the dissolution of the Avengers team. Wanda confronted Agatha, demanding to 231 00:21:03,893 --> 00:21:08,975 know the truth about her children. Not long after, Agatha was found dead in her home, her 232 00:21:09,015 --> 00:21:13,857 body seemingly desiccated. You can learn more about this in our Justice League vs Avengers 233 00:21:13,917 --> 00:21:19,749 Team Duel episode. However, even death did not end Agatha's influence. She continued to appear 234 00:21:19,809 --> 00:21:24,974 in spectral form, forgiving Scarlet Witch and guiding her and others through the challenges 235 00:21:25,014 --> 00:21:30,378 they faced. Eventually, Agatha was brought back to life via the Goddess of Witchcraft, who 236 00:21:30,418 --> 00:21:34,902 was cleansed by Scarlet Witch during her journey through a mystical dimension known as the Witch's 237 00:21:34,962 --> 00:21:40,186 Road. Upon Agatha's resurrection, she returned to the magical fold, this time teaching new 238 00:21:40,226 --> 00:21:46,262 witches at Dr. Strange's new Magic Academy. It was there- that an old coven member called 239 00:21:46,322 --> 00:21:51,223 Corrosion attempted to kill Agatha, but she was rescued by her new students, including 240 00:21:51,383 --> 00:21:56,845 the former Runaways member, Niko Minoru, a teen sorceress. The mystical energies unleashed 241 00:21:56,885 --> 00:22:02,607 from the battle resulted in Agatha being de-aged from her elderly appearance into a young woman. 242 00:22:03,087 --> 00:22:08,148 After the Scarlet Witch destroyed a powerful book of chaos magic called the Darkhold, Agatha 243 00:22:08,188 --> 00:22:13,106 attempted to create a new Darkhold. Her plans were eventually thwarted by the Avengers. the 244 00:22:13,146 --> 00:22:18,388 consequences of which led to the Darkhold taking on the form of a young boy, whom Agatha fled 245 00:22:18,408 --> 00:22:24,210 with in an attempt to guide him. And that's Agatha's backstory. Powers-wise, Agatha Harkness 246 00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:28,552 is one of the most formidable witches on the planet, allowing her to cast all manner of 247 00:22:28,612 --> 00:22:35,495 spells. Her witchcraft abilities include precognition, possession, elemental manipulation, and transmutation. 248 00:22:35,956 --> 00:22:41,938 She can fly, teleport, cast illusions, and sense mystic occurrences. Agatha has the ability 249 00:22:41,978 --> 00:22:47,059 to summon mystical energies for offensive or defensive purposes, or manipulate these mystical 250 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:52,621 energies to enhance, reflect, or negate their magical effects. With enough time, she can 251 00:22:52,661 --> 00:22:58,023 perform a magic ritual to achieve any number of spells. Her familiar, Ebony, is a magical 252 00:22:58,063 --> 00:23:03,464 cat capable of transforming into a powerful panther and regenerating from almost any wound. 253 00:23:04,325 --> 00:23:08,470 Agatha has extensive knowledge of witchcraft gained over millennia. and has trained other 254 00:23:08,510 --> 00:23:14,434 powerful individuels in the use of their abilities. She's also terribly mysterious, I'll say, even 255 00:23:14,534 --> 00:23:19,897 inexplicably surviving death on several occasions. There you go. This old hag doesn't stand a 256 00:23:20,017 --> 00:23:25,220 chance. Wow. Way to discriminate on the basis of age there. Good job. I don't feel bad if 257 00:23:25,261 --> 00:23:30,604 it's a fictional character, I'm just putting that out there. Also she was de-aged, so like 258 00:23:30,624 --> 00:23:34,410 I don't know what you're talking about. Largely they did that just- so that the character would 259 00:23:34,430 --> 00:23:38,894 be consistent with how she appears in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, played by Katherine Han. 260 00:23:39,275 --> 00:23:44,299 Yeah, and I figured that. Yeah. Brand synergy. As I've typically known the character in the 261 00:23:44,319 --> 00:23:47,962 comics though, yeah, she's pretty old. That's kind of what made her such a badass though, 262 00:23:47,982 --> 00:23:52,286 because she's like so seemingly frail, almost looking kind of like Aunt May in the comics, 263 00:23:52,747 --> 00:23:58,472 but she's supremely powerful. Well, not as powerful as Clarion! Let me get into his backstory. 264 00:23:59,092 --> 00:24:06,563 Now, Clarion Bleak. often referred to as Clarion the Witch Boy, was born in Limbotown, an isolated 265 00:24:06,643 --> 00:24:14,365 and mysterious subterranean society hidden beneath New York City. Limbotown was populated by Kroatoans, 266 00:24:14,646 --> 00:24:20,247 who were the descendants of the Lost Roanoke Colony, America's first permanent English settlement 267 00:24:20,547 --> 00:24:26,209 that later mysteriously vanished. To survive in the New World, the Kroatoans had developed 268 00:24:26,289 --> 00:24:32,769 a deep connection to dark magic. and necromancy over centuries. Every citizen in Limbo Town 269 00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:38,875 practiced witchcraft and had a draga, or an animal familiar, that aided them in their magical 270 00:24:38,915 --> 00:24:45,061 pursuits. Clarion's familiar was a cat named Tikal, who shared her master's rebellious and 271 00:24:45,081 --> 00:24:50,586 mischievous nature. From a young age, Clarion struggled with the strict rules and religious 272 00:24:50,626 --> 00:24:57,255 codes enforced by Submissionary Judah, Limbo Town's leader. Judah and the other elders dictated 273 00:24:57,295 --> 00:25:02,479 how magic could be used, and they harshly discouraged any curiosity or questioning about the world 274 00:25:02,540 --> 00:25:08,264 beyond Limbo Town's borders. Clarion, however, was always drawn to the unknown and wanted 275 00:25:08,304 --> 00:25:13,609 to explore beyond his subterranean world. He secretly began studying darker and forbidden 276 00:25:13,649 --> 00:25:19,774 forms of magic, driven by his thirst for knowledge and freedom. His disobedience did not go unnoticed, 277 00:25:19,814 --> 00:25:20,194 however. 278 00:25:24,286 --> 00:25:28,997 eventually caught the attention of the town elders. And one day, Clarion found himself 279 00:25:29,057 --> 00:25:35,143 pursued by the Horagil. terrifying entities created when Judah and other submissionaries 280 00:25:35,543 --> 00:25:41,766 merged with their familiars. Clarion fled Limbo Town with Teekal by his side, narrowly escaping 281 00:25:41,806 --> 00:25:47,129 the clutches of the Horagold, and emerged in the subway tunnels beneath New York City, marking 282 00:25:47,169 --> 00:25:53,292 his first encounter with the world above, which he'd later refer to as the Blue Rafters. In 283 00:25:53,332 --> 00:25:58,954 the subway tunnels, Clarion met Ebenezer Bade, another runaway from Limbo Town who had escaped 284 00:26:01,296 --> 00:26:06,579 Clarion under his wing, showing him the many wonders and dangers of the surface world. It 285 00:26:06,619 --> 00:26:12,623 was long, however, before Bade betrayed Clarion, with the intention to sell the boy into slavery. 286 00:26:13,103 --> 00:26:19,227 In response, Clarion and Teekal confronted Bade alongside a group of hive-minded children known 287 00:26:19,368 --> 00:26:25,752 as the Leviathan, whom Bade had been capturing for years, also to sell into slavery. With 288 00:26:25,772 --> 00:26:31,356 the Leviathan's help, Clarion put an end to Bade's schemes, and Bade was ultimately the 289 00:26:31,396 --> 00:26:36,959 children he had exploited. Although the Leviathan offered Clarion a place among them, the Witch 290 00:26:36,999 --> 00:26:42,863 Boy declined as he wanted to continue his explorations of the world beyond. Clarion's travels led 291 00:26:42,883 --> 00:26:47,386 him to Manhattan, where he crossed paths with a man named Melmoth, who you can learn more 292 00:26:47,426 --> 00:26:52,910 about in our Frankenstein vs Elsa Bloodstone duel episode. Melmoth offered Clarion food 293 00:26:53,010 --> 00:26:57,313 and shelter, while Clarion remained unaware that Melmoth was the Sheeta King, 294 00:27:01,356 --> 00:27:07,480 ago by breeding the women of the Rhonok colony with the Sheeta, a devolved human insectoid 295 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:13,063 race from the future. Mellmoth intended to use Clarion and a group of young delinquents known 296 00:27:13,104 --> 00:27:19,148 as the Deviant Ones to steal a massive subterranean drill to invade and plunder Limbo Town, taking 297 00:27:19,208 --> 00:27:25,152 back what he believed was his by right. When Clarion realized the extent of Mellmoth's plans, 298 00:27:25,532 --> 00:27:27,413 he warned the Deviants about the Sheeta 299 00:27:31,496 --> 00:27:36,159 Instead, Clarion decided to return to Limbo Town to protect his people from the impending 300 00:27:36,219 --> 00:27:41,482 invasion. Upon his return to Limbo Town, however, Clarion faced immediate hostility from the 301 00:27:41,522 --> 00:27:46,426 town's people, who accused him of blasphemy, and believing he had abandoned their way of 302 00:27:46,466 --> 00:27:51,729 life, bringing back dangerous ideas back with him from the outside world. Clarion tried to 303 00:27:51,769 --> 00:27:56,733 warn them about Melmoth's invasion, but the town's people refused to listen and instead 304 00:27:56,793 --> 00:28:02,176 captured Clarion to burn him at the stake for his supposed crimes. Before they could carry 305 00:28:02,236 --> 00:28:07,220 out the execution, however, Melmoth and his army arrived, interrupting the proceedings. 306 00:28:07,420 --> 00:28:12,803 Clarion seized the opportunity to escape, and as he ran to ring the town bell in alarm, he 307 00:28:12,843 --> 00:28:18,627 ran into Judah, who was gravely wounded. Recognizing that his death was near, and that Limbo Town 308 00:28:18,647 --> 00:28:24,992 was in great danger, Judah passed on the title of Submissionary to Clarion. With this title 309 00:28:25,292 --> 00:28:31,756 came the ability to transform into a horror gold, the same monstrous being when he fled 310 00:28:31,956 --> 00:28:38,220 Limbo Town. Merging with Tikal, Clarion assumed the form of a powerful Horacle and fought off 311 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:45,165 Melmoth's forces. He severely crippled the Sheet-o-king in battle, forcing Melmoth to retreat and saving 312 00:28:45,285 --> 00:28:50,909 Limbo Town from destruction. Despite his victory, Clarion rejected the idea of staying in Limbo 313 00:28:50,949 --> 00:28:57,113 Town as its leader, longing instead for freedom and adventure, sans any responsibility, and 314 00:28:57,153 --> 00:29:03,057 therefore departed for the surface world once again, as the She-Da attempted to overtake 315 00:29:03,077 --> 00:29:08,180 the planet. When the organization Shade and their agent Frankenstein attacked the She-Da's 316 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:13,724 time-traveling fortress known as the Castle Revolving, Clarion took advantage of the situation 317 00:29:14,024 --> 00:29:19,528 to take over the fortress and the She-Da, becoming the new She-Da King and taking the She-Da into 318 00:29:19,568 --> 00:29:25,772 the past before he abandoned his crown. Upon returning to the present, Clarion allied himself 319 00:29:25,812 --> 00:29:28,014 with Contessa Erika Alexandria del 320 00:29:31,016 --> 00:29:35,978 who led a secret global organization known as the Agenda, which sought to cause chaos within 321 00:29:36,018 --> 00:29:42,161 the superhero community. Using his magical abilities, Clarion cast a spell that swapped the ages 322 00:29:42,201 --> 00:29:47,584 of teenage and adult heroes, turning young heroes into adults and their adult counterparts into 323 00:29:47,664 --> 00:29:54,287 teenagers. The spell created confusion and mistrust amongst both heroes and the general public, 324 00:29:54,607 --> 00:29:59,169 which delighted Clarion. For him, the chaos he caused was nothing more than a mischievous 325 00:29:59,269 --> 00:30:04,793 prank. another opportunity to push boundaries and test his powers, as well as have powerful 326 00:30:04,953 --> 00:30:10,657 playmates to occupy his time. However, Clarion's actions eventually backfired when he was confronted 327 00:30:10,697 --> 00:30:16,201 by a vengeful Lobo, who had been turned into a child by Clarion's spell. Upon his defeat, 328 00:30:16,241 --> 00:30:22,145 Clarion was forced to undo the spell and restore the heroes to their proper ages. Lonely, without 329 00:30:22,185 --> 00:30:27,289 his young playmates, Clarion traveled the country occasionally offering heroes and villains alike 330 00:30:27,469 --> 00:30:33,472 increased power. in exchange for portions of their souls. While in Gotham City, a fellow 331 00:30:33,512 --> 00:30:38,694 Limbotown exile kidnapped Teekal, along with other Witch's familiars, in order to conjure 332 00:30:38,714 --> 00:30:44,137 an apocalyptic entity known as the Judgment Beast. But with the help of Tim Drake, Robin, 333 00:30:44,557 --> 00:30:49,259 Clarion was able to rescue Teekal and return the familiars back to their rightful owners. 334 00:30:49,499 --> 00:30:54,181 You can learn more about Tim Drake and his duel against the Winter Soldier. In post-Flashpoint 335 00:30:54,201 --> 00:30:59,464 continuity, Clarion encountered several mystical figures in New York and Kim involved with a 336 00:30:59,504 --> 00:31:05,708 magical coven led by Piper, who sought to help him understand and control his powers. During 337 00:31:05,748 --> 00:31:10,892 this time, Clarion faced a mysterious villain named Cole, who had introduced a form of dangerous, 338 00:31:10,992 --> 00:31:17,016 addictive technology onto the streets. Clarion, always seeking new ways to strengthen himself, 339 00:31:17,196 --> 00:31:23,040 ingested this future technology to boost his powers and confront Cole. Their battle ended 340 00:31:23,140 --> 00:31:30,225 with Clarion easily defeating his foe by stealing his techno magic, further own abilities. Later, 341 00:31:30,565 --> 00:31:36,189 Clarion ascended to new heights as a powerful Lord of Chaos, aligning himself with Pariah's 342 00:31:36,289 --> 00:31:42,573 Dark Army in order to re-establish DC's original multiverse. And that's his backstory so far. 343 00:31:43,013 --> 00:31:49,177 Powers-wise, as a Kroatoan warlock, Clarion is a natural prodigy of the Dark Arts and the 344 00:31:49,217 --> 00:31:55,101 Occult, with powers sourced from his bond with his magical cat familiar, Tikal, with whom 345 00:31:55,141 --> 00:32:03,848 Clarion has a psychic link. telekinesis, transmutation, teleportation, energy absorption and manipulation, 346 00:32:04,348 --> 00:32:10,754 telepathy, divination, and spellcasting. He's also quite durable, as long as he's near Tikal. 347 00:32:11,154 --> 00:32:18,160 If Tikal is injured, Clarion's power is greatly reduced. That's Clarion. So what's interesting 348 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:23,604 there is that for the most part Agatha Harkness has been a supporting character among the larger 349 00:32:23,704 --> 00:32:29,505 Marvel She's had her own titles occasionally, but they haven't lasted very long. But according 350 00:32:29,525 --> 00:32:33,909 to your backstory for Clarion, it seems like he's a long running character with his own 351 00:32:33,949 --> 00:32:39,293 titles. I'm interested in like who created the character and when did his stories really start 352 00:32:39,313 --> 00:32:44,437 taking place? Jack Kirby created the character. He was originally a villain for Jason Blood, 353 00:32:44,557 --> 00:32:50,222 I believe. He appeared in the Demon comics, who was also a creation of Jack Kirby's. Uh, 354 00:32:50,242 --> 00:32:54,725 he's only had a few of his own mini series though. He had one that was written by Grant Morrison. 355 00:32:55,266 --> 00:33:00,248 He also had a recent one, but yeah, not too many. Okay, so much of his backstory was kind 356 00:33:00,268 --> 00:33:04,831 of detailed in the Entrakin the Demon comic books. Well, his own comics, I would say, like 357 00:33:04,911 --> 00:33:09,954 Seven Soldiers of Victory written by Grant Morrison. Oh, I see, okay. Grant Morrison kind of rewrote 358 00:33:10,254 --> 00:33:15,437 Clarion's origin story. In Jack Kirby's original version for the character, he was from Witch 359 00:33:15,477 --> 00:33:19,899 World, and I think that was later retconned to Beyond Country. It was another dimension 360 00:33:19,939 --> 00:33:25,051 entirely. But Grant Morrison was the one who kind of established him as being descendant 361 00:33:25,131 --> 00:33:30,482 of the Roanoke colony, which is a real colony and a real mystery in the US. Kroatoa, yeah, 362 00:33:30,522 --> 00:33:34,129 that is a weird mystery. Definitely a spooky one just in time for the season. 363 00:33:41,518 --> 00:33:47,159 Where fantasies collide and heroes clash, one podcast network rises above the rest. Prepare 364 00:33:47,199 --> 00:33:52,901 yourself for the ultimate showdowns in comic books, video games, movies, and anime. The 365 00:33:52,961 --> 00:33:58,283 Dynomic Podcast Network presents... Console Combat, where video game legends brawl every 366 00:33:58,343 --> 00:34:02,385 Monday. Dynamic Duel, where comic book titans smash every Tuesday. Max Destruction, where 367 00:34:02,405 --> 00:34:06,562 the world is at its limit. The Dynomic Podcast Network presents... TV and action heroes battle 368 00:34:06,663 --> 00:34:13,086 every Wednesday, and Sendro World, where anime champions clash every Thursday. Join us as 369 00:34:13,106 --> 00:34:18,069 we speculate on the matches and armed with the power of mathematical simulations, discover 370 00:34:18,129 --> 00:34:24,413 who will emerge victorious. Visit dynamicpodcast.com, where we settle the debate and settle the score. 371 00:34:28,846 --> 00:34:31,788 Now that we got their histories and abilities out of the way, we're going to speculate on 372 00:34:31,828 --> 00:34:37,152 how one of the 1000 simulated matches will go. The winner is determined by simulations, not 373 00:34:37,172 --> 00:34:41,535 the speculation, but it's fun to imagine how the fight could play out. AJ and IK, what are 374 00:34:41,555 --> 00:34:47,039 the rules of our speculation? Well, I should say there are no rules, other than the characters 375 00:34:47,079 --> 00:34:51,602 have no prior knowledge of the other going into the fight. All they are aware of starting out 376 00:34:51,942 --> 00:34:56,205 is that the other character is a threat that needs to be eliminated. For the speculation... 377 00:34:56,642 --> 00:35:01,704 contestants will begin approximately 50 meters apart in a nondescript environment that will 378 00:35:01,724 --> 00:35:07,047 have no bearing on the match itself as no environmental statistics are considered in my simulations. 379 00:35:07,348 --> 00:35:12,590 The contestants must earn victory on their own merit. Alright then let's get into it. Clarion 380 00:35:12,611 --> 00:35:17,673 the Witch Boy and Agatha Harkness meet on the battlefield. Who goes first? You know what 381 00:35:17,753 --> 00:35:24,477 I think Clarion will go first by aging Agatha up to her old lady form if she isn't there 382 00:35:24,517 --> 00:35:29,712 already. then he's gonna let Agatha go, you know, citing age before beauty. Alright, okay, 383 00:35:30,512 --> 00:35:37,516 um, that's fucked up. I think Agatha will probably smirk at what just happened. You know, she's 384 00:35:37,616 --> 00:35:43,719 used to being an old lady anyway. Her cat Ebony is gonna hiss at Clarion, and Agatha is gonna 385 00:35:43,739 --> 00:35:48,841 give the little brat what's coming to him. She's gonna use her magic to erect a dead tree behind 386 00:35:48,901 --> 00:35:53,740 Clarion. and she's going to animate the tree so that it bends Clarion over its trunk and 387 00:35:53,760 --> 00:36:00,765 then gives the child a swift paddle on his behind. Okay, actually once the tree touches Clarion, 388 00:36:01,325 --> 00:36:06,509 it's going to burst into green flame and then like quickly dissolve into ash, except for 389 00:36:06,809 --> 00:36:12,253 like one small black branch that's shaped like a slingshot that Clarion's going to pick up 390 00:36:12,293 --> 00:36:17,436 and use it to magically sling green fireballs at Agatha while just laughing his head off. 391 00:36:17,616 --> 00:36:23,449 Well, before the fireballs can reach her, Agatha is gonna telekinetically yank Clarion's slingshot 392 00:36:23,489 --> 00:36:28,293 toward her, transforming it into a broom. Okay, and she's gonna use that broom to just swat 393 00:36:28,333 --> 00:36:33,537 away the green fireballs with little to no effort, and then she's gonna hop on the broom and fly 394 00:36:33,577 --> 00:36:40,823 into the night sky with her cat. And then from the air, she's gonna start throwing down purple 395 00:36:41,263 --> 00:36:47,488 lightning magic bolts at Clarion. Ah, but Agatha can't hit what she can't see. Because you know, 396 00:36:47,548 --> 00:36:52,746 as she was flying into the air... Clarion summoned a plague of locusts that's going to fill the 397 00:36:52,766 --> 00:36:57,888 environment around them just with darkness, blotting out the stars and the moon and knocking 398 00:36:58,028 --> 00:37:03,690 Agatha out of the sky. Okay, but Agatha is going to dodge these locusts and she's going to fly 399 00:37:03,710 --> 00:37:09,711 around and summon a massive whirlwind that's going to dispel this locust plague by sucking 400 00:37:09,771 --> 00:37:15,153 all the bugs out of the sky and away from the battlefield. And now that the moon is visible 401 00:37:15,193 --> 00:37:20,462 again, Agatha is going to wave her hand over it. which is gonna turn the moon blood red 402 00:37:20,722 --> 00:37:27,764 in color, okay? And as it shines its moonlight onto Clarion, blood is just gonna start pouring 403 00:37:27,784 --> 00:37:33,286 from his eyes and his mouth and nose and his ears, just like all the holes, and he's gonna 404 00:37:33,306 --> 00:37:38,847 fall down to his knees in pain. That's wild. Okay, actually I'm gonna say Clarion falls 405 00:37:38,887 --> 00:37:45,549 to his knees because he's laughing so hard. And while he's laughing, he's gonna use his 406 00:37:45,889 --> 00:37:51,868 own blood to draw. these intricate runes on the ground that stop the blood moon curse, 407 00:37:52,408 --> 00:37:58,612 and from the earth that his blood was spilled on, he conjures this gargoyle that rises from 408 00:37:58,652 --> 00:38:04,875 the ground, and it's gonna fly after Agatha and just slash her with its claws. Okay, but 409 00:38:04,976 --> 00:38:10,058 as the gargoyle approaches Agatha, as she's in the air, her black cat Ebony is gonna leap 410 00:38:10,138 --> 00:38:16,638 off the broomstick and midair transform into a demonic werecat creature. Like an evil panther 411 00:38:16,658 --> 00:38:22,942 on steroids, kinda. And with a loud roar, Ebony's gonna tackle the gargoyle down to the ground 412 00:38:22,982 --> 00:38:28,126 and just shatter it into small pebbles and sand and stuff like that. And then she's gonna take 413 00:38:28,146 --> 00:38:34,130 a shit on the gargoyle. Because it's like it was kitty litter and Ebony turns back into 414 00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:41,095 a cat. Dude, okay. Well, as Ebony was taking the time to take a shit, 415 00:38:45,534 --> 00:38:51,177 orange tabby cat familiar, Teekel, on Ebony's panther form. But Teekel is going to be in 416 00:38:51,217 --> 00:38:57,441 the form of this giant monstrous lion. And the two cats are going to scream and clawed with 417 00:38:57,481 --> 00:39:01,504 just tufts of fur flying everywhere. Basically it's the worst cat fight you could possibly 418 00:39:01,544 --> 00:39:08,288 imagine. And it's going to end though with Ebony's neck snapped in Teekel's jaws because no way 419 00:39:08,328 --> 00:39:15,421 a panther is defeating a lion. No, no, no. Ebony, the cat, has gone up against Mephisto himself 420 00:39:15,841 --> 00:39:20,764 and lived to tell the tale, okay? What? The cat was straight up turned inside out by Mephisto 421 00:39:21,245 --> 00:39:25,808 and it still came back like nothing had happened because Ebony has like the most insane magical 422 00:39:25,828 --> 00:39:32,212 healing factor ever. And also, I'm gonna say that Agatha puts a binding hex on Teekal to 423 00:39:32,252 --> 00:39:37,335 prevent it from fighting back against Ebony. So Ebony's just mopping the floor with Teekal 424 00:39:37,456 --> 00:39:44,341 and making Teekal look like a busted ass. hairless lion by this point. And Clarion's magic is 425 00:39:44,421 --> 00:39:50,185 weakened because Tikal is weakened. And also I gotta say, everyone knows any witch worth 426 00:39:50,205 --> 00:39:56,170 their salt has a black cat, not an orange one. So yeah, all the basic bitch witches have black 427 00:39:56,210 --> 00:40:02,856 cats. But with Tikal trapped, you know, I'm not going to lie, Clarion, he's pretty emotionally 428 00:40:02,876 --> 00:40:07,700 immature. So seeing his cat trapped in that spell, it was probably going to cause him to 429 00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:14,203 throw a screaming fit. and Clarion's cries are gonna rattle both Agatha and Ebony, making 430 00:40:14,243 --> 00:40:20,064 them feel like their heads are gonna explode. So while they're stunned, Clarion's gonna teleport 431 00:40:20,145 --> 00:40:27,347 over to Tikal and merge with him, transforming into a massive horacle. What's a horacle? Again, 432 00:40:27,367 --> 00:40:33,808 what do they look like? They all look different, but Clarion's version looks like a four-armed 433 00:40:34,229 --> 00:40:40,151 werecat with like a second face on his forehead. It's essentially like Clarion's ultimate form. 434 00:40:40,731 --> 00:40:46,573 And as a horror goal, you know, before Agatha and Ebony can even react, their entrails are 435 00:40:46,673 --> 00:40:51,915 already strewn all over the battlefield because the horror goal ripped them both to shreds 436 00:40:52,456 --> 00:41:00,879 match over. Wow. Well, OK. Agatha and Ebony are all shredded and dead, except that they're 437 00:41:00,959 --> 00:41:06,998 not. In fact, Agatha is over off to the side of the battlefield sipping tea. with Ebony 438 00:41:07,038 --> 00:41:12,200 in her lap. Because what Clarion thought he saw, that was just an illusion that Agatha 439 00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:19,863 had cast as a distraction. And suddenly, Clarion's Horacle form just drops dead. Because what 440 00:41:19,943 --> 00:41:26,486 he didn't realize was that this match was already over the moment that Ebony used that destroyed 441 00:41:26,526 --> 00:41:33,849 Blood Gargoyle as a litter box. Okay, because her poo cast a poisonous curse that seeped 442 00:41:33,869 --> 00:41:40,272 into Clarion's blood, right? and it just tainted him with this like slow death. And since Clarion 443 00:41:40,372 --> 00:41:45,735 merged with Teekal, they're both dead. That's your finishing move? Yeah, dude, cat poop's 444 00:41:45,775 --> 00:41:50,238 dangerous, all right? Like it has parasites in it and shit that can give you toxoplasmosis, 445 00:41:50,258 --> 00:41:54,880 okay? It's dangerous enough on its own, like it can give you schizophrenia and shit. So 446 00:41:54,920 --> 00:42:01,144 imagine how dangerous a demon panther's poop is. Just makes sense. Is that true? Like, yeah. 447 00:42:01,624 --> 00:42:07,110 I record this podcast in my basement. Not too far away from my cat's litter box. Well, I 448 00:42:07,150 --> 00:42:13,352 mean, that explains why you're a DC fan, then. It's the neurosis. OK. You know what? I'm calling 449 00:42:13,912 --> 00:42:20,914 cat shit on all of this. No way Clarion gets taken out by cat poop. In reality, Agatha and 450 00:42:20,994 --> 00:42:26,356 Ebony are already dead. The whole, oh, it's just an illusion thing. That didn't happen. 451 00:42:26,776 --> 00:42:32,417 Well, we could leave the match there. Either Agatha and Ebony get shredded by Clarion's 452 00:42:32,457 --> 00:42:39,188 Horacle form. Or that's just an illusion and Clarion dies from being poisoned with a curse. 453 00:42:39,748 --> 00:42:44,110 A poop curse. The worst kind. We'll go ahead and leave it there and put the character's 454 00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:50,212 stats into our simulator, run the simulations, and come back with a winner. AJ9K, hit it! 455 00:42:50,713 --> 00:42:57,955 Inputting data. Running calculations. Processing results. Simulations complete. Alright, Clarion 456 00:42:57,995 --> 00:43:04,810 the Witch Boy vs Agatha Harkness. As I suspected, the characters were f- fairly close stat wise 457 00:43:05,230 --> 00:43:10,112 and when one character did come out on top it wasn't by much. Yeah, the characters are both 458 00:43:10,132 --> 00:43:15,793 a little bit vague in their magical abilities as witches and wizards tend to be. You know, 459 00:43:16,254 --> 00:43:21,275 they can almost do anything in a sense, but these two characters were unique in that they 460 00:43:21,315 --> 00:43:26,517 had some similarities around things like fighting skill that kind of set them apart. You know, 461 00:43:26,537 --> 00:43:31,491 they're both not physical fighters at all. Yeah, and when it came to things like movement speed, 462 00:43:31,652 --> 00:43:38,177 strength, damage level, range, perception, versatility, they were evenly matched. Yeah, we said Agatha 463 00:43:38,257 --> 00:43:43,681 did come out a little bit ahead when it came to intellect just because Agatha's lived for 464 00:43:43,761 --> 00:43:50,346 millennia and she's not as naive as Clarion is. Yeah, Clarion is a literal child, a smart 465 00:43:50,386 --> 00:43:56,875 child, but a child. Yeah, he's not wise like Agatha is. Clarion, however, came out far ahead 466 00:43:56,895 --> 00:44:01,757 when it came to durability, because the dude has been slapped by heavy hitters like Edric 467 00:44:01,777 --> 00:44:07,000 and the Demon and Lobo. Yeah, and Mary Marvel, all kinds of heavy hitters. We also said that 468 00:44:07,100 --> 00:44:13,083 Agatha got the edge when it came to evasiveness, simply because there's a lot more instances 469 00:44:13,164 --> 00:44:18,907 of her avoiding damage than Clarion. Yeah, through her magic shields and illusion casting and 470 00:44:18,947 --> 00:44:23,629 things like that. She has to avoid damage because she's just not as durable. She will literally 471 00:44:23,669 --> 00:44:28,467 break a hip. Exactly. So with all that in mind, Jonathan, who do you think is coming out on 472 00:44:28,507 --> 00:44:34,568 top in this match? I think Clarion. Just because there's no young boy that's going to be taken 473 00:44:34,648 --> 00:44:41,150 out by an old woman, it's just not a thing that happens. And so far, our followers on Instagram 474 00:44:41,330 --> 00:44:46,892 agree with me. I put up the poll a little late, but so far, 55% of the poll takers agree with 475 00:44:46,952 --> 00:44:51,033 me. Well, that just makes me think that we have a lot of younger poll takers that just don't 476 00:44:51,053 --> 00:44:55,375 know any better. Actually that makes me feel like a lot of those who voted are children 477 00:44:55,415 --> 00:44:59,477 of the 90s considering that Clarion featured in a prominent episode of Batman the animated 478 00:44:59,497 --> 00:45:05,639 series back in the day. That's true but Agatha Harkness has her own fucking series. How crazy 479 00:45:05,679 --> 00:45:10,441 is that? Well people must not like it because of not voting for her. Whatever. Let's go ahead 480 00:45:10,461 --> 00:45:19,905 and see who won. AG9K the results please. Hey Yuasa. Okay. The winner between Clarion the 481 00:45:19,965 --> 00:45:31,628 witch boy and Agatha Harkness is... AGATHA HARKNESS! NOOOOOO! That's right! She made Clarion the 482 00:45:31,648 --> 00:45:38,030 Witch Boy her little bitch boy by beating him in 515 matches out of the 1000 total battles. 483 00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:47,833 Clarion only won 485. So Agatha's win percentage is 51.5% and Clarion's is 48.5%. That is really 484 00:45:47,873 --> 00:45:53,876 close. Like... I don't think Agatha made Clarion her bitch. She did though, because she won. 485 00:45:54,156 --> 00:45:59,259 So Clarion can cry about it. He probably will, honestly, not going to lie. But now you have 486 00:45:59,279 --> 00:46:05,842 to deal with that. So congratulations. I will deal with it by not dealing with it and more 487 00:46:05,862 --> 00:46:10,885 than likely laughing at the kid. Because that's what happens when you mess with Marvel and 488 00:46:10,965 --> 00:46:15,668 old ladies and think that you could beat them. Old ladies can sometimes be pretty badass, 489 00:46:15,968 --> 00:46:21,139 as Agatha Harkness has shown here today. I was going to say that young Puritan boys could 490 00:46:21,179 --> 00:46:27,984 also be badass, but I don't think that's true. Well, I guess that does it for this duel. AJ9K, 491 00:46:28,165 --> 00:46:35,270 help close us out. Thanks for listening to Dynamic Duel. 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And hey, if you've made it this far in the episode, we'll let you know what the surprise 500 00:47:20,468 --> 00:47:25,410 is now. Creature Commandos versus Legion of Monsters, baby. That's right. We're pitting 501 00:47:25,470 --> 00:47:29,812 like classic Halloween creatures against each other next week and lead up to the Halloween 502 00:47:29,832 --> 00:47:33,894 holiday. So look forward to that. But that does it for this episode. We want to give a big 503 00:47:33,914 --> 00:47:39,196 thanks to our executive producers. Ken Johnson, John Sturowski, Zachary Hepburn, Dustin Belcom, 504 00:47:39,356 --> 00:47:44,739 Mickey Mathangian, Brendan Estregard, Nathaniel Wagner, Levi Yeaton. Austin Wasylowski, AJ 505 00:47:44,779 --> 00:47:50,883 Dunkerley, Scott Camacho, Gil Camacho, Adam Spies, Andrew Shunk, Dean Molesky, Devin Davis, 506 00:47:51,043 --> 00:47:56,367 Joseph Kirstein, and Josh Leiner for helping make this podcast possible. We'll talk to you 507 00:47:56,387 --> 00:48:02,111 guys next week. Up up and away, true believers. If she weighs as much as a duck, then she's 508 00:48:02,151 --> 00:48:04,452 made of wood, and therefore a witch.