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On with the show. 16 00:01:56,922 --> 00:02:01,966 Hi, welcome to the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly show where we review superhero films and debate 17 00:02:01,986 --> 00:02:07,511 the superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing their characters and stat-based battle simulations. 18 00:02:07,851 --> 00:02:16,078 I'm Johnny DC. And I'm his twin brother Marvelous Joe. And welcome to episode 254! We're doing 19 00:02:16,098 --> 00:02:20,862 a team duel this episode. We're going to pit the Justice League Dark against Marvel's Midnight 20 00:02:20,922 --> 00:02:26,790 Suns. We wanted to do this on episode 250. But of course, we've had to do quite a few reviews 21 00:02:26,830 --> 00:02:31,932 lately, and that pushed our big team duel episode back by a month. Yeah, we were trying to get 22 00:02:31,972 --> 00:02:35,774 to this before Halloween, but it just didn't work out that way. But this team duel episode 23 00:02:35,854 --> 00:02:39,856 ties into Halloween in that these teams that were pitting against each other are Marvel 24 00:02:39,876 --> 00:02:44,818 and DC's respective supernatural teams. These are the guys that fight the things that go 25 00:02:44,898 --> 00:02:49,620 bump in the night, the monsters, the demons, the ghosts, the things like that. Yeah, I love 26 00:02:49,660 --> 00:02:53,838 doing these team duels. Can't wait for the main event later on in the episode. Before that, 27 00:02:53,858 --> 00:02:57,719 we're going to break down the comic book and movie news items from the past week, of which 28 00:02:57,819 --> 00:03:03,142 it's all Marvel news once again, thanks to Disney Plus Day, in which they gave us our first looks 29 00:03:03,222 --> 00:03:08,564 at She-Hulk, Moon Knight, Ms. Marvel, and a lot more. As always, we list our segment times 30 00:03:08,584 --> 00:03:12,466 in our episode description, so feel free to check out the show notes if you want to skip 31 00:03:12,506 --> 00:03:17,048 ahead to a particular topic. Just a reminder guys that only the four most recent episodes 32 00:03:17,068 --> 00:03:21,890 of this podcast are available to the listening public. If you guys want access to over- 250 33 00:03:22,951 --> 00:03:29,036 episodes now of archived content including our Justice League Dark review, Dr. Fate vs. Dr. 34 00:03:29,076 --> 00:03:35,721 Strange, our Blade review, Zatanna vs. Scarlet Witch, our Swamp Thing review, or Constantine 35 00:03:35,741 --> 00:03:41,566 vs. Brother Voodoo. Be sure to subscribe to this podcast on Spotify or Patreon, both of 36 00:03:41,586 --> 00:03:46,309 which will provide you with an RSS feed to use in your own podcast app. And on Patreon you 37 00:03:46,390 --> 00:03:47,250 also get bonus 38 00:03:51,426 --> 00:03:56,949 blooper reels, watch along parties and more. It's only $2 a month to subscribe on Spotify 39 00:03:57,009 --> 00:04:03,394 or Patreon and you could do so by visiting dynamicduel.com slash subscribe, which is linked in our show 40 00:04:03,454 --> 00:04:08,517 notes. I want to quickly reach out to one of our executive producers who happens to be sick 41 00:04:08,537 --> 00:04:12,480 with COVID at this time. Guys, stay safe out there. We're definitely not out of this COVID 42 00:04:12,500 --> 00:04:16,743 thing yet. Get vaccinated if you can and well wishes to anyone who is currently sick out 43 00:04:16,763 --> 00:04:21,118 there. Yeah, man, if you're listening, get well soon. We're rooting for you. We also want to 44 00:04:21,138 --> 00:04:25,700 give a shout out to patron Lizzie Dyer, whose birthday was a few days ago. Happy birthday. 45 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:30,862 If I had to give you a gift from Marvel, I would give you Hawkeye's quiver of trick arrows, 46 00:04:31,242 --> 00:04:37,504 including, you know, his birthday candle lighting arrows, which you know he totally has. Like 47 00:04:37,524 --> 00:04:42,006 a lighter arrow? Yeah, yeah. He just, you know, shoots across the wicks and it lights everything. 48 00:04:42,366 --> 00:04:47,548 Interesting. Lizzie, if I could get you a gift from DC, it would be Big Barter's Mega Rod. 49 00:04:48,009 --> 00:04:52,511 Way cooler than a bag of arrows. Well, I mean, if she doesn't like the gift, there's no receipt. 50 00:04:53,092 --> 00:05:00,097 So, whatever. But with that out of the way, quick, to the No Prize! A No Prize is an award 51 00:05:00,177 --> 00:05:05,060 Marvel used to give out up until the 90s to fans. Our version, the dynamic dual No Prize, 52 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:10,104 is a digital award we post on social media that Jonathan draws for those who we feel gave the 53 00:05:10,144 --> 00:05:15,267 best answer to our Question of the Week. Last week's question coming off the news that Marvel 54 00:05:15,287 --> 00:05:21,129 is going to do a Halloween special in 2022 based on the werewolf by night character, we asked, 55 00:05:21,309 --> 00:05:25,511 what's a cool Marvel or DC holiday special that you would like to see? We got some awesome 56 00:05:25,571 --> 00:05:28,992 answers for this one. Let's go ahead and run down our honorable mentions as well as the 57 00:05:29,012 --> 00:05:34,454 no prize winner. Our first honorable mention goes to Michael Haggerty, who said, hello boys, 58 00:05:34,494 --> 00:05:39,617 Michael Haggerty here. I want to see a Justice League Dark Christmas Carol with Constantine 59 00:05:39,697 --> 00:05:44,175 or Constantine based on your regional preference. As Ebenezer Scrooge, there's already ghosts 60 00:05:44,395 --> 00:05:47,617 in Just League Dark and there's ghosts in Christmas Carol. So it kind of matches up perfectly. 61 00:05:48,038 --> 00:05:53,221 The only question left is who would be little Timmy? Who would be God bless us everyone? 62 00:05:53,642 --> 00:05:57,004 What character would play that character? I think that's the bigger question, but that's 63 00:05:57,044 --> 00:06:01,787 my answer. All right, boys, gotta go, bye. A Christmas Carol featuring John Constantine 64 00:06:02,128 --> 00:06:06,411 is probably one of the most brilliant ideas I've ever heard come out of a question of the 65 00:06:06,431 --> 00:06:12,855 week. John Constantine is totally like a selfish Scrooge. So for him to be visited by the ghosts 66 00:06:12,875 --> 00:06:18,500 from his past totally makes sense. And as for the Timmy character, that's obvious. Astralogue, 67 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:23,203 the little girl he tried and failed to save at Newcastle from the demon Nurgall. Oh my 68 00:06:23,223 --> 00:06:28,308 gosh dude, Michael Haggerty, you blew my mind. I think a better Tiny Tim would be Damien Wayne, 69 00:06:28,388 --> 00:06:34,072 Robin. That is a terrible idea. Why? Because Constantine trying to save Astralogue in the 70 00:06:34,092 --> 00:06:40,097 same way that Scrooge tries to save Tiny Tim just writes itself. What about like Snapper 71 00:06:40,137 --> 00:06:45,247 Car? Get the fuck out of here. That's rude, you're like a screwed yourself. This story 72 00:06:45,307 --> 00:06:50,348 needs to happen, I swear. Our next honorable mention goes to Miggy Mathenkean, who said. 73 00:06:50,888 --> 00:06:54,949 Hey, what's up guys, it's Miggy, and I would love to see a Cinco de Mayo DC holiday special. 74 00:06:55,449 --> 00:06:59,471 I think it would just be really dope to see Jaime Reyes, Jessica Cruz, and Cisco Ramon 75 00:06:59,491 --> 00:07:04,472 just like all, you know, get together, just celebrate the holiday, and then maybe have 76 00:07:04,492 --> 00:07:09,413 to team up against like Bain. Now to my knowledge, they don't actually celebrate Cinco de Mayo 77 00:07:09,513 --> 00:07:15,462 in Mexico. Yeah, it's much more celebrated in America. But, you know, Cisco, Jaime, and Jessica 78 00:07:15,802 --> 00:07:20,846 are all, you know, Latin American. So I think it works. Are they all Mexican American? Well, 79 00:07:20,866 --> 00:07:27,111 Blue Beetle is Mexican American. Cisco, I think, is Puerto Rican. And I guess Jessica is half 80 00:07:27,151 --> 00:07:32,996 Mexican, half Honduran. And of course, Bain is from a Latin Caribbean country, right? Like 81 00:07:33,016 --> 00:07:37,540 a riff on Cuba. Yeah, Santa Prisca. But you know what? They still come together to celebrate. 82 00:07:37,820 --> 00:07:40,742 Yeah, it's kind of just like a drinking holiday, right? It's like... It's like St. Patrick's 83 00:07:40,782 --> 00:07:44,543 Day, just an excuse to drink. It'd be cool if they all got drunk and then tried to fight 84 00:07:44,583 --> 00:07:49,104 Bane, who was also drunk. And then they all come together to recognize the official meaning 85 00:07:49,144 --> 00:07:53,245 of the holiday, which was the Mexican defeat over the French on the 5th of May. Yep, there 86 00:07:53,265 --> 00:07:58,987 you go. Our final honorable mention goes to Michael Harald, who said, Hey guys, it's Michael 87 00:07:59,027 --> 00:08:03,868 Harald. So I think the holiday special I'd like to see would be Lego Batman in live action 88 00:08:04,188 --> 00:08:08,129 with a Will Arnett and all them doing Mother's Day and Father's Day to see them hamming it 89 00:08:08,189 --> 00:08:13,813 up over not having his parents. or really just any holiday. I think that could be pretty funny. 90 00:08:13,833 --> 00:08:18,396 Yeah, maybe live action can work. I still love Lego Batman in his animated form. I really 91 00:08:18,416 --> 00:08:22,079 wish they would make a sequel to the first movie because I really liked it. Well, Lego Batman 92 00:08:22,119 --> 00:08:26,342 is pretty funny. I'll admit that I've always wanted to see Will Arnett, who does the voice 93 00:08:26,362 --> 00:08:30,946 for Lego Batman, dressed up in the bat suit and do his shtick in live action. I think that 94 00:08:30,966 --> 00:08:35,349 would be pretty cool to see. And considering that Batman has no parents, it would be interesting 95 00:08:35,409 --> 00:08:39,843 to see. him do a holiday special on Mother's Day or Father's Day. Or in the case of Lego 96 00:08:39,863 --> 00:08:44,725 Batman, who prefers to be called Padre, Padre's Day. I think it would definitely build upon 97 00:08:44,765 --> 00:08:49,507 the movie where we see Batman take Robin on as a father. So you know, you can learn about 98 00:08:49,547 --> 00:08:53,529 the true meaning of fatherhood. Before we announce the winner of this week's No Prize, we want 99 00:08:53,549 --> 00:08:57,971 to give a quick shout out to Corey Wooten, who took the time to visit our site and record 100 00:08:57,991 --> 00:09:02,633 an answer. Yeah, his answer of Santa Claus was really good also. But the winner of this week's 101 00:09:02,733 --> 00:09:10,151 No Prize... goes to someone who only identified themselves as the man who said, Hello Marvelous 102 00:09:10,211 --> 00:09:17,136 Joe and Johnny DC. Stan Lee here. How about we get a holiday special featuring yours truly? 103 00:09:17,457 --> 00:09:24,843 Just an idea. Thank you, true believers for keeping the spirit of Marvel strong. Excelsior. 104 00:09:25,803 --> 00:09:30,748 That impression, if it was an impression that wasn't actually just Stan Lee speaking to us 105 00:09:30,768 --> 00:09:35,594 from beyond the grave, that was so good. That was incredible. I don't even understand how 106 00:09:35,634 --> 00:09:41,276 an impression is possibly that good. It sounded just like him. Not only did it sound like him 107 00:09:41,416 --> 00:09:47,797 with like the cadence and everything, it sounded like what Stan Lee would actually say. I'm 108 00:09:47,837 --> 00:09:52,219 just blown away by this impression, and that's why he gets this week's no prize. But also, 109 00:09:52,279 --> 00:09:58,120 it would be really cool to see a Stan Lee holiday special where he celebrates just any holiday 110 00:09:58,460 --> 00:10:03,566 visiting his favorite creations from Marvel. I've got chills. It's so spot on. There's got 111 00:10:03,586 --> 00:10:07,987 to be like only a few people in the world that can do an impression that good. If this guy 112 00:10:08,007 --> 00:10:12,849 is not getting paid to do Stanley impressions, he should be. Because my first impression to 113 00:10:12,889 --> 00:10:18,412 hearing that was actually fright. You know, I was like, oh my God, that was actually him. 114 00:10:19,672 --> 00:10:24,034 And I really want to believe that it is. Well, you know, maybe that reaction is appropriate 115 00:10:24,094 --> 00:10:28,536 for this Halloween themed duel we have coming up. You know, what's interesting, though, is 116 00:10:28,576 --> 00:10:34,226 that Stanley actually died three years almost to the day. so this episode is being done on 117 00:10:34,246 --> 00:10:38,588 the anniversary of his passing. But congrats again to The Man for winning this week's No 118 00:10:38,628 --> 00:10:43,451 Prize. If you the listener want a shot at winning your own No Prize, stay tuned to later on this 119 00:10:43,491 --> 00:10:48,573 episode when we'll be asking another Question of the Week. And now that that's done, on to 120 00:10:48,593 --> 00:10:49,233 the news! 121 00:10:54,830 --> 00:10:59,572 All right, this past Friday was Disney Plus Day. I didn't even really know that was gonna 122 00:10:59,592 --> 00:11:04,414 be a thing until like a few weeks beforehand. But basically, it kind of served as a news 123 00:11:04,454 --> 00:11:09,176 event for what the past year held on Disney Plus as well as what's to come. Yeah, it was 124 00:11:09,196 --> 00:11:14,819 kind of like a lame version of the DC fandom, right? If by lame you mean better with more 125 00:11:14,859 --> 00:11:22,754 news, then yeah, lame. I didn't mean that. We got quite a few. Surprise announcements in 126 00:11:22,794 --> 00:11:27,676 addition to first looks at some of the upcoming shows that were announced a while ago Including 127 00:11:27,856 --> 00:11:32,818 Moon Knight she Hulk and Ms. Marvel We'll go over those first looks first starting with 128 00:11:32,938 --> 00:11:37,060 Moon Knight Which is kind of turning out to be way different than I thought it was gonna 129 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:41,422 be it looks definitely more mature than any other Disney plus show that has come out so 130 00:11:41,482 --> 00:11:47,365 far almost like a Netflix series looking show It looks dark which is great because it's a 131 00:11:47,425 --> 00:11:52,266 Moon Knight so it should seeing him just like clobber some guy on the ground in this white 132 00:11:52,346 --> 00:11:57,788 cape and hood was kind of frightening. Yeah, the costume looks really good in the comics. 133 00:11:58,028 --> 00:12:02,569 When you draw an all white costume, you can still really hide it through shadow. But in 134 00:12:02,629 --> 00:12:08,531 live action, he looks very immaculate, almost priestly in his garb, which is, yeah, kind 135 00:12:08,551 --> 00:12:13,292 of like haunting, you know, seeing him leap across that night sky with the crescent moon 136 00:12:13,312 --> 00:12:18,174 in the background was everything I wanted it to be. It was so freaking cool. It's everything 137 00:12:18,214 --> 00:12:22,917 I've ever wanted to see in a Batman movie. Well, Batman can't leap across a whole city street. 138 00:12:23,218 --> 00:12:28,582 What? He can leap across an alley, sure, but he's not superhuman. He can grapple across 139 00:12:28,662 --> 00:12:33,025 a city street. I mean, he could glide though. That's true, that's true. But if you're aware 140 00:12:33,045 --> 00:12:36,328 of the Moon Knight character, you know that he has strength that waxes and wanes with the 141 00:12:36,368 --> 00:12:40,671 phases of the moon, so it's apt here. I think the thing that shocked me the most though was 142 00:12:40,791 --> 00:12:46,135 Oscar Isaac's voices that he does for his different personalities. Like his Mark Spector or maybe 143 00:12:46,175 --> 00:12:50,958 Jake Lockley has a British accent, which was interesting compared to his Moon Knight voice, 144 00:12:50,978 --> 00:12:55,922 which is very dark and almost Batman-esque. It was really cool. Kind of creepy, which again 145 00:12:56,202 --> 00:13:00,785 is pretty good and pretty apt. We don't get a lot of footage here, but the fact that Oscar 146 00:13:00,905 --> 00:13:05,729 Isaac seems to be as confused with what we're seeing as you know, we are is a good sign. 147 00:13:05,789 --> 00:13:09,952 I think. Yeah. He's switching in and out of his multiple personalities. The way the show 148 00:13:09,992 --> 00:13:14,051 seems to be handling that looks fascinating. Just like Fight Club, like how we describe 149 00:13:14,071 --> 00:13:18,695 the character in our duel episode with him against Batman. Oh, like Tyler Durden? Yeah, exactly. 150 00:13:19,015 --> 00:13:22,438 I'm definitely looking forward to this one. We don't have a release date, do we? No, we 151 00:13:22,458 --> 00:13:26,241 don't have release dates for any of these. They all say that they're just streaming soon. So 152 00:13:26,302 --> 00:13:31,266 next year sometime. The next first look that we got was of Ms. Marvel. We didn't get a look 153 00:13:31,426 --> 00:13:36,911 at her costume or of her using her powers, really. We do see this like purple energy emanate from 154 00:13:36,951 --> 00:13:41,310 her. But it was the first live-action footage we're getting from the show. We see her kind 155 00:13:41,350 --> 00:13:46,375 of struggle with her identity as a hero, her family praying as Muslims, and claiming that 156 00:13:46,435 --> 00:13:50,739 heroes don't usually look like brown girls from Jersey. The only costume that we really see 157 00:13:50,759 --> 00:13:56,765 her in is when she's wearing her Captain Marvel Halloween costume, which I think is what maybe 158 00:13:56,785 --> 00:14:01,869 a lot of us would do as kids if we first discover superpowers and we don't have any sort of like 159 00:14:01,909 --> 00:14:06,053 tailor, you know? We'll just put on the superhero costume of the hero that we admire the most. 160 00:14:06,538 --> 00:14:11,660 I like that angle here as kind of a nod to her origin in the comic books and the origin of 161 00:14:11,680 --> 00:14:16,382 her superhero name. We do get to see her like running across the sky, which I thought was 162 00:14:16,422 --> 00:14:20,484 interesting. I'm really curious to see how they're going to depict her power. Yeah, it's not going 163 00:14:20,504 --> 00:14:24,806 to be stretching really like how it is in the comics. Essentially, it looks like her bangle 164 00:14:24,826 --> 00:14:28,988 that she wears on her wrist, which she wears in the comics as an heirloom, that's going 165 00:14:29,008 --> 00:14:33,269 to be the source of her superpowers. It emanates like this personal energy field around her. 166 00:14:33,698 --> 00:14:38,520 that she can manipulate in a way that is akin to stretching, like enlarging her fists or 167 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,562 stretching her legs out or something like that. It's gotta be like Kree technology or something, 168 00:14:42,622 --> 00:14:48,065 right? Perhaps. It's an interesting take. I think they're doing it, one, for special effects 169 00:14:48,085 --> 00:14:54,729 reasons, two, to make it so that Mr. Fantastic is the first elastic hero within the MCU, and 170 00:14:54,769 --> 00:15:00,272 three, to make all of the Marvel's characters in the upcoming The Marvel's film all energy-based, 171 00:15:00,512 --> 00:15:06,071 including Captain Marvel, Ms. Marvel, and Photon. Makes sense. The next first look we got was 172 00:15:06,211 --> 00:15:10,733 of She-Hulk, and this was our first glimpse of the logo, which I thought was pretty weird. 173 00:15:10,773 --> 00:15:15,135 It almost looks something like the practice or Ally McBeal or something like that. Like 174 00:15:15,155 --> 00:15:21,157 Nip Tuck. Yeah, Nip Tuck, yeah, that was interesting. It looks very like 90s legal drama. And I wonder 175 00:15:21,197 --> 00:15:25,119 if that's the vibe that the show is going for, because toward the end of this teaser, which 176 00:15:25,159 --> 00:15:28,881 starts off with Jennifer Walters introducing herself, and then we see a glimpse of her in 177 00:15:28,901 --> 00:15:33,551 her She-Hulk form, at the end. She's like breaking the fourth wall like the character does in 178 00:15:33,591 --> 00:15:37,834 the comics, speaking to the audience and saying, don't make me angry, you wouldn't like me when 179 00:15:37,854 --> 00:15:43,478 I'm angry. And that setting in which she does it looks very 90s. I was gonna say 70s. Yeah, 180 00:15:43,498 --> 00:15:47,961 could be 70s. Anywhere between like the 70s and 90s, I would say. Okay. I wonder if it's 181 00:15:47,981 --> 00:15:51,164 gonna be like a lawyer commercial or something like that. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know 182 00:15:51,184 --> 00:15:53,805 what's happening there. It's really strange that like Bruce Banner was just kind of... 183 00:15:54,046 --> 00:15:58,688 standing still in the background. I wonder if like everybody freezes in the show as she speaks 184 00:15:58,728 --> 00:16:03,011 to the audience in the same way like saved by the bell or something like that. I never knew 185 00:16:03,031 --> 00:16:07,334 that She-Hulk broke the fourth wall in the comics. That seems so weird to me. Yeah, she used to 186 00:16:07,354 --> 00:16:10,916 do all the time way before Deadpool was doing it. It does look like they're gonna go the 187 00:16:10,976 --> 00:16:15,919 CG route with She-Hulk just like the Hulk and not just like paint her skin green. I hope 188 00:16:15,959 --> 00:16:20,942 the special effects on Tatiana Maslany are as good as they are on Mark Ruffalo. I'll be really 189 00:16:20,962 --> 00:16:25,564 interested to see like the facial expressions on this character design. Timeline-wise, it 190 00:16:25,604 --> 00:16:32,488 appears like this may take place in between the events of Avengers Endgame and Shang-Chi 191 00:16:32,508 --> 00:16:36,791 because we see the Hulk here in his Professor Hulk form. But I can't be certain on that. 192 00:16:36,871 --> 00:16:40,493 Maybe Mark Ruffalo can still change back and forth while still retaining his personality. 193 00:16:40,833 --> 00:16:44,756 I was gonna say that this takes place before because the Hulk's arm isn't like scarred and 194 00:16:44,796 --> 00:16:49,210 broken and damaged. Yeah, that's a great point. That's a great point. We'll see when the show 195 00:16:49,250 --> 00:16:53,273 comes out next year. So that was really it for the first looks. We did get a brief glimpse 196 00:16:53,393 --> 00:16:57,636 of Samuel L. Jackson's character as he's going to appear in Secret Invasion, in which he has 197 00:16:57,656 --> 00:17:02,459 a longer beard and isn't wearing the eye patch, which is interesting. Makes me suspect he's 198 00:17:02,479 --> 00:17:07,603 a Skrull. Right off the bat. We also got announcements that they're coming out with a season two of 199 00:17:07,683 --> 00:17:12,026 What If, which we already knew. But we did get new announcements of shows that were not announced 200 00:17:12,046 --> 00:17:18,154 previously by Disney Plus, including Echo, which will be a spinoff of the Hawkeye series. Marvel 201 00:17:18,194 --> 00:17:24,196 Zombies, which might be an animated spin-off of What If? Agatha House of Harkness, which 202 00:17:24,236 --> 00:17:28,958 is definitely a spin-off of WandaVision. And most surprisingly, a show called Spider-Man 203 00:17:29,018 --> 00:17:33,940 Freshman Year, which will be animated, perhaps voiced by Tom Holland or maybe the actor who 204 00:17:33,980 --> 00:17:38,082 did Spider-Man's voice in What If? But basically it looks like it's going to recount Spider-Man's 205 00:17:38,262 --> 00:17:42,784 origin story within the MCU. Which is really cool, because we never got to see that. Yeah, 206 00:17:42,804 --> 00:17:48,018 I'm excited for this, for sure. They also announced that they will be doing more X-Men cartoons, 207 00:17:48,058 --> 00:17:52,822 like the 90s version of the X-Men. I was surprised that they put the Marvel Studios banner above 208 00:17:52,842 --> 00:17:57,006 that one, considering it's not part of the MCU though. No, it's like an alternate universe 209 00:17:57,106 --> 00:18:01,349 X-Men, kind of. It's great that they're bringing that back though. Hopefully with better animation 210 00:18:01,589 --> 00:18:06,433 and fingers crossed it's the same voice cast. This will be Marvel Studios first X-Men project, 211 00:18:06,714 --> 00:18:11,838 which is also exciting. Oh yeah, so much to look forward to. Way better than that fan dome 212 00:18:11,878 --> 00:18:18,939 crap, who needs that when you have Disney Plus Day? Oh gosh. Yay logos! Yay for logos. Marvel 213 00:18:18,959 --> 00:18:23,421 fans always excited by them logos. I mean, we didn't even get a logo for Blue Beetle or Batgirl. 214 00:18:23,681 --> 00:18:28,604 So how about that? No, we got to see concept art of them in costume. Oh, concept art. Yay. 215 00:18:28,924 --> 00:18:33,146 Whatever, dude. All I'm saying is I got way more pumped from this news than I did at the 216 00:18:33,186 --> 00:18:37,729 fandom. I'm sorry. What's your name again? Marvelous Joe? OK, that makes sense. I can't wait till 217 00:18:37,749 --> 00:18:42,011 we get dates on all of these. It looks like next year is going to be just as big of a year 218 00:18:42,311 --> 00:18:48,255 as 2021 was. Lots to look forward to. Lots to review. Too much Marvel stuff to watch. Ugh. 219 00:18:48,696 --> 00:18:52,567 But regarding all the news to come out at Disney Plus Day, that brings us to our question of 220 00:18:52,587 --> 00:18:52,928 the week. 221 00:18:57,474 --> 00:19:03,237 What was your favorite news to come out of Disney Plus Day and why? Record your answer at dynamicduel.com 222 00:19:04,037 --> 00:19:08,260 by clicking on the red microphone button in the bottom right hand corner, which will prompt 223 00:19:08,300 --> 00:19:12,662 you to leave us a voicemail. Your message can be up to 30 seconds long, and don't forget 224 00:19:12,702 --> 00:19:17,045 to leave your name in case we include you on the podcast. We'll pick our favorite answer 225 00:19:17,385 --> 00:19:21,807 and draw that person a Dynamic Duel No Prize that we'll post to social media. Be sure to 226 00:19:21,867 --> 00:19:26,394 answer before November 20th. But that does it for the news for this episode. 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Now let's go ahead and get into our main event where we find out who would win 239 00:20:38,797 --> 00:20:44,325 in a fight between the supernatural teams of DC's Justice League Dark and Marvel's Midnight 240 00:20:44,445 --> 00:20:44,805 Suns. 241 00:21:00,110 --> 00:21:05,331 Okay, Justice League Dark versus the Midnight Suns. These are both DC and Marvel's most prominent, 242 00:21:05,711 --> 00:21:10,353 supernatural super teams. Though I gotta be honest, I only learned about the Midnight Suns 243 00:21:10,493 --> 00:21:15,154 like earlier this year. Well, yeah, I told you about them when we were trying to come up with 244 00:21:15,234 --> 00:21:20,156 our next team duel episode. I thought it would be really cool since Episode 250 was gonna 245 00:21:20,176 --> 00:21:25,257 land around the same time as Halloween to do a kind of Halloween themed team duel. Right. 246 00:21:25,450 --> 00:21:29,833 It's a little disappointing that we're two weeks past Halloween now, but that's just how the 247 00:21:29,873 --> 00:21:34,317 episodes fell. Basically, we didn't want to skip a review because then we'd be pushing 248 00:21:34,357 --> 00:21:38,641 back all of the review episodes that we were going to do. But to me, it was never the end 249 00:21:38,661 --> 00:21:42,625 of the Halloween season until we got to this episode. I'm going to get right back into it. 250 00:21:42,685 --> 00:21:48,049 Just jack-o-lanterns and black cats and autumn leaves falling in the dead of night. That's 251 00:21:48,090 --> 00:21:51,953 where my mind is at right now. Yeah, the duel is supposed to not take place in any kind of 252 00:21:51,993 --> 00:21:56,126 environment. But that's the environment I'm going to be imagining for this matchup. Now 253 00:21:56,146 --> 00:22:00,508 the only prime exposure I have to Justice League Dark is the movie that we reviewed a couple 254 00:22:00,548 --> 00:22:05,369 years ago, the animated film Justice League Dark, and its sequel, Justice League Dark Apocalypse 255 00:22:05,409 --> 00:22:10,790 War. Yeah, that wasn't quite a sequel specifically to Justice League Dark. I'm not sure why they 256 00:22:10,830 --> 00:22:14,531 called that film Justice League Dark Apocalypse War. It probably should have just been like 257 00:22:14,671 --> 00:22:20,053 Apocalypse War. But yeah, both of those films featured characters from Justice League Dark. 258 00:22:20,393 --> 00:22:24,680 Back when we started this podcast too, We were talking about how Guillermo del Toro was supposed 259 00:22:24,700 --> 00:22:28,843 to make a Justice League Dark movie. I think he was calling it Dark Universe at the time, 260 00:22:29,184 --> 00:22:33,287 and that seemed like it was really cool. Still waiting for that to materialize. But I guess 261 00:22:33,327 --> 00:22:37,831 that JJ Abrams is working on bringing some of those characters to the screen for HBO Max, 262 00:22:37,891 --> 00:22:43,056 like as we speak. So that's exciting. Yeah, and sometime in 2022, we're supposed to get 263 00:22:43,176 --> 00:22:48,321 a Midnight Suns video game, which I think will be the primary exposure of that team to the 264 00:22:48,341 --> 00:22:54,125 world at large. It is spelled S-U-N-S, which the developer did to make the team seem more 265 00:22:54,165 --> 00:22:59,248 inclusive. And in that video game, the team is actually named after a rare astronomical 266 00:22:59,328 --> 00:23:04,492 event, during which time the demon character Lilith attempts to resurrect C'thun, the Elder 267 00:23:04,512 --> 00:23:09,976 God of Chaos. So I actually think that's pretty cool. I think the name reads cooler with S-U-N-S, 268 00:23:10,396 --> 00:23:15,059 and I do think that Marvel will follow suit with the next incarnation of the team. So the 269 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:20,491 title of this podcast will use that newer spelling. S-U-N-S? Yeah. Well, I can't wait to learn 270 00:23:20,531 --> 00:23:24,534 more about them. If you've never listened to one of our duel episodes before, the way we 271 00:23:24,594 --> 00:23:29,718 determine a winner for these two teams is by running 1000 Monte Carlo simulations using 272 00:23:29,758 --> 00:23:34,501 their statistics. And actually it's more than 1000 when we do team duels, we're actually 273 00:23:34,521 --> 00:23:40,486 comparing matrices of data. Yeah, between each character, so it's 49,000 Monte Carlo simulations 274 00:23:40,546 --> 00:23:44,689 technically. Friggin' crazy. It takes a long time. Now if you're wondering what a Monte 275 00:23:44,709 --> 00:23:49,951 Carlo simulation is, It's a probabilistic model used to determine outcomes through random sampling. 276 00:23:50,351 --> 00:23:55,212 And in our case, it randomizes statistics along a normal distribution, which is a bell curve 277 00:23:55,512 --> 00:23:59,874 as a way to simulate the many variables that can occur during battle. The stat parameters 278 00:23:59,934 --> 00:24:05,235 we use are based on the official Marvel Power Grid, and we use that criteria to extrapolate 279 00:24:05,275 --> 00:24:09,556 the DC character stats. We've included some additional stat categories of our own, such 280 00:24:09,596 --> 00:24:14,863 as range, damage potential, versatility, and perception. in order to create a more complete 281 00:24:15,003 --> 00:24:20,486 and robust simulation. Running these 1000 simulations gives us a percentage of wins for each team, 282 00:24:20,786 --> 00:24:25,209 and we declare the team with the higher percentage to be the ultimate victor considering that 283 00:24:25,229 --> 00:24:31,173 they're more likely to win any given battle. No characters ever win 100% of the time. Comics 284 00:24:31,193 --> 00:24:35,735 have shown that there's always a way for Batman to defeat Superman, so we feel our method falls 285 00:24:35,775 --> 00:24:40,234 in line with the precedents that have been established in the comic book stories. And we used this 286 00:24:40,274 --> 00:24:44,938 method because it was the least subjective, most unbiased way to determine who would win. 287 00:24:45,258 --> 00:24:49,142 Of course, we are both heavily biased toward our respective allegiances, and instead of 288 00:24:49,222 --> 00:24:54,346 debating these matches forever, we just let the math decide for us. So there's no fan votes 289 00:24:54,366 --> 00:24:59,691 here, and no relying on just feats. Before we run the simulations though, we like to break 290 00:24:59,731 --> 00:25:05,796 down each team's histories and rosters, before improvising a scenario on how we imagine one 291 00:25:05,816 --> 00:25:10,238 of these simulations would play out beat for beat. It's been a while since we've done a 292 00:25:10,298 --> 00:25:15,080 duel episode. Yeah, I think not since Manbat vs Morbius, like almost a month. It's crazy. 293 00:25:15,220 --> 00:25:20,222 It's crazy. So many reviews. But I think it's my turn to go first with the DC backstory, 294 00:25:20,523 --> 00:25:24,924 so let me tell you all about Justice League Dark. Now, though the most recent iteration 295 00:25:24,984 --> 00:25:30,487 of the team is known as Justice League Dark, the Magic-based group is much less renowned 296 00:25:30,547 --> 00:25:34,648 than the popular superteam, the Justice League, which you can learn more about in our 100th 297 00:25:35,129 --> 00:25:40,679 episode, Justice League vs Avengers. Justice League Dark actually has its roots in a team 298 00:25:40,699 --> 00:25:46,181 known as the Sentinels of Magic, which emerged in the Day of Judgment storyline where the 299 00:25:46,221 --> 00:25:51,603 demon Etrigan tricked the hostless spirit of vengeance known as the Spectre to bond with 300 00:25:51,643 --> 00:25:57,906 the fallen angel Asmodel in Hell. With his new, nearly limitless power, Asmodel caused Hell 301 00:25:57,926 --> 00:26:04,049 to freeze over and unleashed hordes of demons on Earth as well as powerful, evil spirits 302 00:26:04,309 --> 00:26:09,804 such as the Enchantress. With the Justice League and Justice Society overwhelmed, magicians, 303 00:26:09,964 --> 00:26:16,288 sorcerers, and occultists from around the world joined together, namely Zatanna, the Phantom 304 00:26:16,328 --> 00:26:23,573 Stranger, Madame Xanadu, Deadman, Raven, Ragman, Faust, Doctor Occult, and the Green Lantern, 305 00:26:23,653 --> 00:26:29,617 Ellen Scott, in order to stop Asmodel and find a new host for the Spectre. After slaying the 306 00:26:29,657 --> 00:26:36,522 Enchantress to reignite the fires of Hell, the Sentinels helped the who you can learn more 307 00:26:36,562 --> 00:26:41,584 about in our Green Lantern vs Nova episode. Eventually, Hull Jordan was separated from 308 00:26:41,624 --> 00:26:47,706 the Spectre's spirit, which was manipulated by the spirit of wrath known as Eclipso, into 309 00:26:47,726 --> 00:26:53,329 destroying all magic. You can learn more about this in our Spectre vs Galactus episode. Now, 310 00:26:53,409 --> 00:26:58,271 after the Spectre destroyed the Rock of Eternity, an incapacitated sorcerer is powerful enough 311 00:26:58,291 --> 00:27:04,634 to stop him, such as Dr. Fate and Madam Xanadu, several other magic users banded together to 312 00:27:04,654 --> 00:27:10,556 take a stand against the Spectre, including a resurrected Enchantress, Blue Devil, Ragman, 313 00:27:10,816 --> 00:27:17,659 Nightmaster, Nightshade, and Detective Chimp, forming a team known as Shadow Pact. Though 314 00:27:17,679 --> 00:27:22,441 Zatanna wasn't an official member of the team, she and other magical heroes did help them 315 00:27:22,741 --> 00:27:28,423 reform the Rock of Eternity. Shadow Pact was unsuccessful in stopping the hostless Spectre, 316 00:27:28,623 --> 00:27:29,924 whose threat to magic was 317 00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:40,273 by Heaven after the Spectre killed the powerful ancient wizards Shazam and Naboo. Shadow Pact 318 00:27:40,373 --> 00:27:46,417 remained together, operating out of the Oblivion Bar, which existed in a pocket dimension accessible 319 00:27:46,457 --> 00:27:52,020 to magic users, and taking on new members such as the angel Zareel, who you can learn more 320 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:57,503 about in our Zareel vs Archangel episode. Together, they defeated magical threats to Earth from 321 00:27:57,543 --> 00:28:02,665 groups such as the Pentechol and the Congregation, and they stopped villains like Dr. Gotham. 322 00:28:03,274 --> 00:28:08,818 In post-Flashpoint continuity, DC's premier Magic team became known as Justice League Dark, 323 00:28:09,219 --> 00:28:16,225 a team initially consisting of John Constantine, Zatanna, Deadman, Shade, Mindwarp, and Madame 324 00:28:16,285 --> 00:28:22,410 Xanadu, the latter of whom brought the team together to stop the succubus Enchantress after 325 00:28:22,430 --> 00:28:28,215 she became unbound to her host, June Moon, and defeated the Justice League. Constantine was 326 00:28:28,295 --> 00:28:33,924 able to re-bind Enchantress to June Moon, and the team disbanded for a short time before 327 00:28:33,944 --> 00:28:39,588 coming together again, sans mind warp, to fend off Kane and his legion of vampires. Joined 328 00:28:39,608 --> 00:28:44,913 by the vampire Andrew Bennett from the series I, Vampire, the team defeated Kane, drawing 329 00:28:44,933 --> 00:28:50,037 the attention of the government agency Argus, who actually gave the team the name Justice 330 00:28:50,077 --> 00:28:55,321 League Dark. Argus commissioned the League to stop the sorcerer Faust, who planned on taking 331 00:28:55,361 --> 00:29:02,022 control of all magic using the Books of Magic. That's a clever name. That was the name of 332 00:29:02,062 --> 00:29:07,687 the Timothy Hunter book written by Neil Gaiman for Vertigo. Now after accidentally unleashing 333 00:29:07,747 --> 00:29:13,652 the Demons III, a trio of powerful demons under Faust's control, the team discovered Faust 334 00:29:13,692 --> 00:29:19,737 was actually working for Nick Necro, the mentor to both Constantine and Zatanna. With the help 335 00:29:19,777 --> 00:29:26,123 of Black Orchid, Frankenstein, Amethyst, and the boy sorcerer Timothy Hunter, Nick Necro 336 00:29:26,243 --> 00:29:31,419 was defeated. During the Trinity War storyline, Wonder Woman approached the League in order 337 00:29:31,439 --> 00:29:37,084 to help determine how a mystic artifact known as Pandora's Box was able to manipulate Superman 338 00:29:37,204 --> 00:29:43,509 into killing. The Box, Constantine discovered, was actually a gateway to Earth-3, home to 339 00:29:43,529 --> 00:29:49,434 the Crime Syndicate and the likes of evil Justice League doppelgangers like Ultraman, Superwoman, 340 00:29:49,574 --> 00:29:54,739 and Owlman, who broke through Pandora's Box and trapped all the members of the Justice 341 00:29:54,779 --> 00:30:00,602 League, Justice League of America, and Justice League Dark. Constantine, however, was rescued 342 00:30:00,742 --> 00:30:06,185 by the Justice League Dark's base of operations, the sentient and interdimensional House of 343 00:30:06,265 --> 00:30:12,768 Mystery. With the help of Nightmare Nurse, Swamp Thing, the Phantom Stranger, Pandora, Zareal, 344 00:30:12,848 --> 00:30:19,090 and Deadman, the latter of whom also escaped capture, Constantine located Zatanna, and together, 345 00:30:19,330 --> 00:30:24,212 they stopped Nick Necro and Faust again, who had partnered with the Crime Syndicate, but 346 00:30:24,252 --> 00:30:28,490 this time, they stopped him in Nandaparbat. which you can learn more about in our Dead 347 00:30:28,510 --> 00:30:35,134 Man vs. Magic episode. Their battle there eventually awakened an evil old god of Nandaparbat, Pantheon, 348 00:30:35,274 --> 00:30:39,977 whom the Justice League Dark managed to defeat. When their House of Mystery merged with Nick 349 00:30:40,037 --> 00:30:45,520 Necro's House of Secrets to form the House of Wonder, the League was forced to destroy it 350 00:30:45,860 --> 00:30:50,643 since it had become powerful enough to conquer the planet. After the events of Dark Knight's 351 00:30:50,703 --> 00:30:56,194 Metal resulted in a break in the Source Wall, Magic was thrown into flux. and Wonder Woman 352 00:30:56,234 --> 00:31:02,075 formed a new Justice League Dark Team in response. This team initially consisted of Wonder Woman, 353 00:31:02,215 --> 00:31:07,657 Zatanna, Detective Chimp, Manbat, and Swamp Thing, though it wasn't long before Constantine 354 00:31:07,677 --> 00:31:13,739 got involved in a battle against the hostless spirit of Naboo, as Dr. Fate, who was trying 355 00:31:13,759 --> 00:31:20,020 to destroy the chaos of magic by summoning the Upside-Down Man and the other kind to devour 356 00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:25,966 it. Wonder Woman was able to fend off the Upside-Down Man, however, thanks to a burgeoning magical 357 00:31:26,026 --> 00:31:32,148 ability that she later learned was derived from the Greek goddess of magic, Hecate. After Hecate 358 00:31:32,188 --> 00:31:37,129 corrupted and took control of Wonder Woman and several other magic heroines, including Black 359 00:31:37,229 --> 00:31:43,331 Orchid, Manitou Dawn, and Witchfire, Wonder Woman used the Upside-Down Men to devour Hecate 360 00:31:43,591 --> 00:31:49,292 and free the women from her curse. After Detective Chip inherited the Sword of Nightmaster, he 361 00:31:49,312 --> 00:31:55,303 was able to transfer many heroes to the Mystic Realm of Myrrah. including Swamp Thing, Etrigan, 362 00:31:55,403 --> 00:32:00,668 and Deadman, where they would be safe from being devoured by the upside down man and his other 363 00:32:00,708 --> 00:32:06,513 kind. Naboo and the other Lords of Order, however, were able to invade the realm and began stripping 364 00:32:06,533 --> 00:32:12,238 the citizens there of magic. Zatanna and Wonder Woman, meanwhile, were transformed into Lords 365 00:32:12,258 --> 00:32:17,983 of Chaos for a time by the Chaos Lord Mordru, and the League defeated the Lords of Order 366 00:32:18,223 --> 00:32:23,590 with Wonder Woman bringing magic back to the world. With Wonder Woman's arch-nemesis Cersei 367 00:32:23,670 --> 00:32:29,453 now in control of Hecate's magic, Cersei formed an Injustice League Dark villain team, in which 368 00:32:29,473 --> 00:32:35,115 she allowed herself to be possessed by Eclipso and teamed up with Floronic Man, Clarion the 369 00:32:35,155 --> 00:32:40,877 Witch Boy, Papa Midnight, and Solomon Grundy. Thanks to help from the Upside-Down Men and 370 00:32:40,917 --> 00:32:46,220 the other kind, the League was able to stop the Injustice League Dark. Recently, the Injustice 371 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:52,415 League Dark team became more closely partnered with the Justice League, became a new official 372 00:32:52,435 --> 00:32:57,759 member of the team as the most powerful and dangerous sorcerer, Merlin, was resurrected. 373 00:32:58,380 --> 00:33:03,504 And that's the team's history so far. Now there are a ton of magic-based superheroes in DC, 374 00:33:03,884 --> 00:33:08,669 many of whom have been members of the Justice League Dark and its previous incarnations. 375 00:33:09,169 --> 00:33:13,853 One character that has been in almost every iteration of the team, however, is Zatanna. 376 00:33:14,173 --> 00:33:19,938 So she was a no-brainer, as was Constantine, who's not the biggest team player, but a powerful 377 00:33:19,998 --> 00:33:26,861 and popular figure in DC's world of magic. Like Zatanna and Constantine, Deadman was an original 378 00:33:26,901 --> 00:33:32,903 member of the first Justice League Dark team, so he's in, as is Swamp Thing, who was also 379 00:33:32,923 --> 00:33:38,066 there early on thanks to his ties to Constantine. A lot of these characters so far have had their 380 00:33:38,226 --> 00:33:43,148 own Vertigo titles, so in keeping with that, I wanted to include Black Orchid on the team 381 00:33:43,448 --> 00:33:48,082 since she was a more prominent member of the initial team than characters like F- Frankenstein 382 00:33:48,182 --> 00:33:53,686 Amethyst or the Vampire Andrew Bennett. Since what Roman took over the team, both Detective 383 00:33:53,706 --> 00:34:00,491 Chimp and Manbat have become mainstays, though of the two, I opted for Manbat due to his versatility. 384 00:34:00,891 --> 00:34:05,514 And finally, I chose my seventh team member to be Etrigan. He's only been a member of the 385 00:34:05,554 --> 00:34:10,477 Justice League Dark for a short time, but Jason Blood is often depicted as being on the team 386 00:34:10,818 --> 00:34:18,215 in other media and alternate timelines, including the and even Guillermo del Toro's Justice League 387 00:34:18,255 --> 00:34:24,200 Dark script. So that's my team. Yeah, that makes sense. What do you think of the name Justice 388 00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:28,624 League Dark? Because you mentioned their previous incarnations as like the Sentinels of Magic 389 00:34:28,664 --> 00:34:33,748 and stuff. I think that's way better and less derivative. Yeah, it's named Justice League 390 00:34:33,788 --> 00:34:38,792 Dark so that it sells, but I would much prefer a team name of like Shadow Pact or something 391 00:34:38,812 --> 00:34:43,316 like that for sure. Or even like Constantine's like old band name, Yookus Membrane. I'm sure 392 00:34:43,356 --> 00:34:48,632 he would have voted for that over Justice League Dark. Yeah, I think when it comes to the names 393 00:34:48,652 --> 00:34:52,915 of these teams, Midnight Suns is just way better. And actually, they're just a better team in 394 00:34:52,975 --> 00:34:57,439 general when you think about it. And I think our listeners agree when they compare the Justice 395 00:34:57,459 --> 00:35:03,263 League Dark backstory to the Midnight Suns backstory. Okay, let's hear it. So the story of the Midnight 396 00:35:03,323 --> 00:35:08,967 Suns goes back hundreds of years, beginning as an ancient secret order of protectors with 397 00:35:08,987 --> 00:35:13,863 the mission of stopping supernatural threats to humanity. Their ranks included members that 398 00:35:13,883 --> 00:35:19,647 were reputed to have a taste of damnation, those with some measure of exposure to the darkness 399 00:35:19,727 --> 00:35:25,231 of paranormal, mystical, and hellish evils on Earth. Their greatest feat among battling the 400 00:35:25,271 --> 00:35:30,736 likes of Dracula was the defeat of Lilith, the mother of all demons and former wife of the 401 00:35:30,816 --> 00:35:36,620 devil himself. The Midnight Suns cast her and her children, the Lilin, to a dark dimensional 402 00:35:36,660 --> 00:35:41,575 prison called the Shadow Side. though it was prophesied among the Order that she would one 403 00:35:41,595 --> 00:35:47,257 day return and that nine of their own would stand against her. That day came hundreds of 404 00:35:47,277 --> 00:35:52,399 years later when Doctor Strange, the Sorcerer Supreme, detected a rift in the Shadow Side 405 00:35:52,499 --> 00:35:56,781 and that Lilith would soon escape and come back to Earth. He knew that he couldn't face her 406 00:35:56,801 --> 00:36:00,963 himself because the magical energies that would stem from the battle would weaken the dimensional 407 00:36:00,983 --> 00:36:05,825 barriers between the two realms, and so he would have to gather the nine together that were 408 00:36:05,845 --> 00:36:11,409 foretold in the prophecy. Doctor Strange reached out to his occasional ally, Johnny Blaze, who 409 00:36:11,429 --> 00:36:16,052 was host to Ghost Rider, the vengeful demon, and his brother, Ketch, who was host to the 410 00:36:16,092 --> 00:36:21,757 Spirit of Vengeance, both of whom had also seen a vision of Lilith's return. On their motorcycles, 411 00:36:21,917 --> 00:36:27,121 the brothers traveled to gather Doctor Strange's recruits, including the reluctant pseudo-vampire 412 00:36:27,162 --> 00:36:32,046 Morbius, and the group known as the Nightstalkers, who were Hannibal King, the self-loathing vampire 413 00:36:32,086 --> 00:36:37,862 detective, Frank Drake, a descendant of Dracula, and the daywalker, Blade. the Vampire Hunter. 414 00:36:38,282 --> 00:36:43,485 The last of their recruits were three experts on the occult and the Darkhold, a book of black 415 00:36:43,545 --> 00:36:50,289 magic. They were Victoria Montessi, Sam Buchanan, and Louise Hastings, together known as the 416 00:36:50,349 --> 00:36:55,752 Darkhold Redeemers. Dude, the Books of Magic is a way better name than the Darkhold. I noticed 417 00:36:55,772 --> 00:37:02,455 you can't help but hide that smile as you say that. That's right. The prophesied nine collectively 418 00:37:02,495 --> 00:37:09,131 battled and killed four of the Lilin, and who managed to escape, though she was severely 419 00:37:09,191 --> 00:37:13,954 weakened. Though the nine heroes fulfilled the prophecy and sealed the rift in the Shadowside, 420 00:37:14,195 --> 00:37:19,658 they knew that Lilith would soon sire more children and try to conquer Earth's realm again. They 421 00:37:19,698 --> 00:37:24,802 maintained a loose connection, though one day Blade, in his desire to obliterate all vampires 422 00:37:24,822 --> 00:37:30,786 from existence, tried to use a spell from the Darkhold to do so. This backfired, transforming 423 00:37:30,826 --> 00:37:36,058 him into the possessed Switchblade, who went on a supernatural killing spree. He murdered 424 00:37:36,178 --> 00:37:40,821 many of the prophesied Nine, though the Darkhold Redeemers were able to use the book to counter 425 00:37:40,841 --> 00:37:46,605 the spell and undo the damage that Blade had caused. Reunited, the group of Nine learned 426 00:37:46,705 --> 00:37:51,769 that Lilith had partnered with the demon Xerathos, who had opened a portal to the Shadow Side 427 00:37:51,789 --> 00:37:57,473 within Salem Field Cemetery. Xerathos is the Ghost Raider? Yeah, this demon was not connected 428 00:37:57,513 --> 00:38:02,416 to Johnny Blaze at the time. Okay. The prophesied Nine traveled to the cemetery to try to stop 429 00:38:02,536 --> 00:38:07,139 Lilith and her Lilin again, though they were overwhelmed and had to flee with the help of 430 00:38:07,219 --> 00:38:12,221 the Caretaker. They regrouped at Dr. Strange's Sanctum Sanctorum, where it was discovered 431 00:38:12,281 --> 00:38:18,023 that Morbius was a traitor to the Nine due to an infection with Lilin blood. They were overrun 432 00:38:18,063 --> 00:38:23,465 again, leading Dr. Strange to cast a spell that magically detonated his Sanctum, killing the 433 00:38:23,505 --> 00:38:28,727 Lilin inside. They helped Morbius fight off his infection, and traveled back to the cemetery 434 00:38:28,827 --> 00:38:34,478 and used a magic medallion provided by the Caretaker to send Lilith back to the Shadow Side. They 435 00:38:34,558 --> 00:38:39,661 also defeated Xerathos and his followers using a mystic sword, though throughout the whole 436 00:38:39,681 --> 00:38:45,124 ordeal, several members of the Nine fell in battle. With Lilith finally gone for good, 437 00:38:45,264 --> 00:38:51,368 the surviving members, including Ghost Rider, Strange, Blade, and Morbius, underwent a ceremony 438 00:38:51,448 --> 00:38:56,491 in which they were branded with the mark of the Midnight Suns, a flaming dagger that resembles 439 00:38:56,531 --> 00:39:01,998 a small cross, officially making them members of the ancient order. Years later, a zombie 440 00:39:02,018 --> 00:39:06,901 virus infiltrated Earth's realm through the nexus of all realities, located in the swamp 441 00:39:07,162 --> 00:39:12,165 where the creature known as Manthing lived. Morbius saw the need for a supernatural fighting 442 00:39:12,185 --> 00:39:17,348 force to return and formed a new Midnight Suns group consisting of himself, Jennifer Kael, 443 00:39:17,428 --> 00:39:22,031 who is Ghost Rider's cousin, Hellstorm, the son of Satan, Jack Russell, the werewolf by 444 00:39:22,071 --> 00:39:27,819 night, and Manthing. Though Morbius' zombie cure failed, the team was able to mystically 445 00:39:27,859 --> 00:39:34,263 transfer the virus into one person named Simon Garth, aka Zombie, a man who was already undead 446 00:39:34,383 --> 00:39:39,967 due to a voodoo curse. Later, the city of Las Vegas was burned down and sent to hell during 447 00:39:40,007 --> 00:39:46,051 a takeover by the criminal organization Hydra. The city was resurrected using magic, but while 448 00:39:46,091 --> 00:39:52,516 it was in hell, Mephisto had created a casino called Hotel Inferno. It was brought to earth 449 00:39:52,556 --> 00:39:58,199 with the rest of Vegas, where gamblers could bet- their very souls. Holy crap! Doctor Strange 450 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:03,981 made a deal with Mephisto where if Strange won, the casino's souls would be set free and Mephisto 451 00:40:04,001 --> 00:40:09,283 and the Hotel Inferno would return to hell. If Strange lost, Mephisto could claim his soul. 452 00:40:09,824 --> 00:40:15,266 Notified of the wager, Strange's assistant, Wong, summoned the Midnight Suns again, including 453 00:40:15,386 --> 00:40:20,728 Blade, Ghost Rider, and Man-Thing, with new recruits Brother Voodoo, Moon Knight, Iron 454 00:40:20,768 --> 00:40:26,702 Fist, Scarlet Spider, and Elsa Bloodstone. Together, they traveled to Vegas and fought Mephisto's 455 00:40:26,762 --> 00:40:31,924 Demon Army. Ghost Rider fought Mephisto head on, who killed Johnny Blaze and sent him to 456 00:40:31,964 --> 00:40:37,186 Hell. There, Blaze and the Spirit of Vengeance freed the Casino's captured souls from their 457 00:40:37,226 --> 00:40:43,588 vault and usurped the Crown and Throne of Hell, cutting Mephisto off from his power. The rest 458 00:40:43,628 --> 00:40:49,309 of the team then defeated the Demon Lord and saved Doctor Strange's soul. That's the comics 459 00:40:49,349 --> 00:40:54,231 team history. I did want to note that the upcoming video game that renames the team to Midnight 460 00:40:54,271 --> 00:41:00,152 Suns with a U does recruit other Mystic heroes such as Niko Minoru, a former Runaways character, 461 00:41:00,392 --> 00:41:06,394 and the new mutant member known as Magic. Which makes sense. Yeah. For this team duel, I chose 462 00:41:06,454 --> 00:41:11,796 seven members to represent the Midnight Suns. Doctor Strange, who is Marvel's foremost Magic 463 00:41:11,856 --> 00:41:16,677 hero and who was the initial recruiter for this present-day incarnation of the Order. Ghost 464 00:41:16,717 --> 00:41:22,119 Rider. first gathered the team and is also a supernatural heavy hitter. Blade and Morbius, 465 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:28,242 both original members with vampiric abilities. Man-Thing who is recruited into Morbius's team 466 00:41:28,582 --> 00:41:33,224 and whom I've always thought was pretty creepy and cool. And lastly Brother Voodoo and Bloodstone, 467 00:41:33,364 --> 00:41:38,226 both newer recruits but also characters I think are badass and really grew to love during their 468 00:41:38,266 --> 00:41:42,168 individual duel episodes that we've done. Yeah if you want to learn more about the individual 469 00:41:42,188 --> 00:41:46,946 characters on each of our teams we've done duel episodes with all of them so... Definitely 470 00:41:46,966 --> 00:41:51,688 go back and check out the catalog. It's only $2 on Spotify. I would have included characters 471 00:41:51,728 --> 00:41:55,991 like Moon Knight and Iron Fist, but of course they were in our last team duel where we pit 472 00:41:56,031 --> 00:42:00,693 the defenders against the Suicide Squad. So you have like two sorcerers in Doctor Strange 473 00:42:00,713 --> 00:42:06,257 and Brother Voodoo. You have two vampires in Morbius and Blade. You have a swamp monster 474 00:42:06,497 --> 00:42:13,140 in Man-Thing, a monster hunter in Bloodstone, and I guess a fiery demon in Ghost Rider. Bring 475 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:18,208 them on, I'll take them. I'll take them all on. Haha so cocky, we'll see how this plays 476 00:42:18,308 --> 00:42:22,071 out. Because now that we've gotten their histories and abilities out of the way, we're going to 477 00:42:22,131 --> 00:42:27,495 speculate on how one of the simulated matches will go. The winner is determined by simulations, 478 00:42:27,816 --> 00:42:33,020 not the speculation, but it is fun to imagine how this fight could play out. We don't set 479 00:42:33,060 --> 00:42:37,283 any rules for this match, other than the characters don't know anything about each other going 480 00:42:37,423 --> 00:42:42,548 in, except that the other team is a threat that needs to be put down. And we say that each 481 00:42:42,588 --> 00:42:47,318 team starts off about 50 meters apart. in an environment that has no bearing on the match 482 00:42:47,358 --> 00:42:52,460 itself because we don't take stats for the environment. Yeah, plus certain characters have advantages 483 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:57,441 in some environments over others, and we want these teams to win on their own merit. So let's 484 00:42:57,461 --> 00:43:03,302 get into it. Justice League Dark and the Midnight Suns meet on the battlefield. Who goes first? 485 00:43:03,363 --> 00:43:07,144 I could guarantee you right away that Constantine, he's just gonna look at this whole situation 486 00:43:07,464 --> 00:43:12,805 and be like, oh bloody hell, and then just like make himself disappear from the situation. 487 00:43:13,085 --> 00:43:18,199 Where does he go? He just... Turns himself invisible. All right, so Dr. Strange, he's gonna use his 488 00:43:18,259 --> 00:43:22,640 Eye of Agamotto. You know, he's gonna fly into the air and the eye is gonna glow and shine 489 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:27,861 an eye symbol onto the foreheads of each of his teammates on the Midnight Suns, which is 490 00:43:27,881 --> 00:43:32,523 gonna grant them the Eye of Agamotto's sight. Right, so that means that throughout the course 491 00:43:32,543 --> 00:43:38,504 of this match, they can see through any illusion or hidden being, including Deadman and the 492 00:43:38,544 --> 00:43:44,539 now hidden Constantine. What? I feel like that's cheating. Swamp Thing, he's gonna start things 493 00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:48,961 off just by shoving his hands like into the ground and he's gonna cover the floor beneath 494 00:43:48,981 --> 00:43:52,963 the Midnight Suns with foliage and branches before they even get a chance to move, right? 495 00:43:53,263 --> 00:43:57,626 And he's just gonna grab their ankles and hold them in place. While Etch again, he's gonna 496 00:43:57,666 --> 00:44:03,289 breathe out a blast of hellfire that just sets that foliage ablaze and he just burns the shit 497 00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:08,212 out of the Midnight Suns where they stand with hellfire. You know that like half this team 498 00:44:08,252 --> 00:44:13,222 is like immune to fire, right? What do you mean? I guess it's just- Ghost Rider and Brother 499 00:44:13,242 --> 00:44:17,465 Voodoo. But actually, you know what? Brother Voodoo, not only can he control fire, he can 500 00:44:17,485 --> 00:44:21,167 also control plant life. So what Brother Voodoo is gonna do is he's just gonna handle this. 501 00:44:21,647 --> 00:44:26,129 He's gonna release the team from the branches that they're stuck in by commanding them to 502 00:44:26,169 --> 00:44:30,892 let go, and then he's just gonna manipulate the Hellfire so that it extinguishes before 503 00:44:30,992 --> 00:44:35,835 it burns anyone. So like, Dr. Voodoo was the ultimate defense against this attack. And with 504 00:44:35,855 --> 00:44:40,537 the team free, the Midnight Suns are just gonna rush forward and charge Justice League Dark. 505 00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:45,413 The fastest one on the team out of anybody here, I think, is Ghost Rider. So on his motorcycle, 506 00:44:45,453 --> 00:44:49,035 he's going to be the first one across the battlefield. He's just going to ride right over to Swamp 507 00:44:49,075 --> 00:44:52,878 Thing, who's like the biggest guy on the Justice League Dark, and he's going to wrap Swamp Thing 508 00:44:52,938 --> 00:44:58,421 up in his Hellfire chains and just burn this plant man to a crisp. Is it like Swamp Thing? 509 00:44:58,601 --> 00:45:02,144 He goes up against fire guys all the time. I feel like he's just going to slough off the 510 00:45:02,184 --> 00:45:06,087 burnt parts, right? So he's probably just like a pair of legs right now, but he'll regrow. 511 00:45:06,167 --> 00:45:11,334 It's fine. So like the rest of the Midnight Sun's approach, the Justice League Dark. Zatanna, 512 00:45:11,354 --> 00:45:16,238 she's just gonna summon forth magic armor for her entire team. She's just gonna be like Kegum 513 00:45:16,778 --> 00:45:22,663 Ram-ra-poo. What is that? That's magic armor up. What kind of armor is this? I don't know, 514 00:45:22,683 --> 00:45:27,247 it's like medieval kind of chest plate and shoulder armor and a helmet that's like made of light. 515 00:45:27,267 --> 00:45:32,892 Okay, even for Deadman? Who's not physical? Everyone except for a Deadman, alright? But 516 00:45:32,952 --> 00:45:39,957 Deadman, he's gonna fly into the body of Man-Thing, alright? And possess his body becoming Deadman-Thing. 517 00:45:41,938 --> 00:45:47,401 And in this body, he's going to be attacking Blade, just taking him by surprise, grabs his 518 00:45:47,541 --> 00:45:52,324 arm, and just burns it with a sulfuric acid touch. Well, Blade wears a jacket, you know, 519 00:45:52,344 --> 00:45:57,006 it's like a thick, durable, heavy leather jacket. So, you know, that's going to protect him a 520 00:45:57,046 --> 00:46:01,909 little bit from this Man-Thing touch. But Blade is going to be surprised, yeah, and he's going 521 00:46:01,929 --> 00:46:07,252 to like slice off Man-Thing's arm as it's grabbing him. And he's going to like spin around, yanking 522 00:46:07,312 --> 00:46:12,118 off his jacket before the acid burns his flesh. I could totally see that into Wesley Snipes' 523 00:46:12,138 --> 00:46:16,959 like, twirl. Yeah, and he's gonna finish off the twirl by slicing Man-Thing right in half 524 00:46:17,019 --> 00:46:22,001 at the waist. Which, you know, won't kill Man-Thing, but you know. Yeah, Man-Thing, he just regenerates, 525 00:46:22,081 --> 00:46:28,963 right? Exactly. So, Blade is probably gonna mouth like, What the fuck? Hahahaha! Just with 526 00:46:29,003 --> 00:46:34,544 like, what was the blood god's name? Like, yeah, from the movie. Yeah. So meanwhile, nearby 527 00:46:34,604 --> 00:46:39,970 Man-Bat, he's gonna unleash this debilitating scream at Elsa Bloodstone specifically. just 528 00:46:40,010 --> 00:46:45,991 dropping her to her knees. And as she's disoriented, he's gonna grab her with his talons, just swoop 529 00:46:46,071 --> 00:46:52,173 high above the battle, and just let her go, just drop her straight down. Okay, um, all 530 00:46:52,193 --> 00:46:56,914 right. As Elsa Bloodstone is falling, she's gonna throw up a dagger that sticks right into 531 00:46:57,034 --> 00:47:01,896 Manbat's leg, because she's just not pleased with what he just did to her. And right before 532 00:47:01,916 --> 00:47:06,777 she hits the ground, Doctor Strange is gonna save her by slowing her descent using the winds 533 00:47:06,797 --> 00:47:12,011 of Watomb. So she's fine. and man bats like bleeding out from his leg. Oh, awesome, okay. 534 00:47:12,551 --> 00:47:18,754 Meanwhile, Morbius, he'll have snuck behind Zatanna at this point, and he's gonna attack 535 00:47:18,794 --> 00:47:24,797 her, biting her in between her helmet and shoulder armor, sinking his teeth into her neck. And 536 00:47:24,817 --> 00:47:30,759 this is gonna turn her into a vampire. So her skin turns white, her eyes glow red, nose flattens, 537 00:47:30,979 --> 00:47:37,858 fangs grow, and she'll now be known as Batanna, the pseudo-vampiris. Who is basically on the 538 00:47:37,878 --> 00:47:42,360 side of the Midnight Suns against her own team since she's like a familiar of Morbius I was 539 00:47:42,380 --> 00:47:46,482 gonna say, oh thanks for just leveling her up with like vampire powers But you're saying 540 00:47:46,502 --> 00:47:52,124 she's now under Morbius's command? Not under his command, but on his side So what she's 541 00:47:52,144 --> 00:47:58,187 gonna do is she's gonna yank Constantine out of his cowardly hiding spell and from her hat 542 00:47:58,207 --> 00:48:04,529 She's gonna pull this like army of vampire rabbits that just freaking pounce on Constantine and 543 00:48:04,569 --> 00:48:09,909 feast on him They're like biniculas. Yeah, exactly, like binicula. She pulls out an army of biniculas 544 00:48:09,929 --> 00:48:14,672 from her hand now that she's a vampire. That's kind of cool. But like Constantine, he has 545 00:48:14,712 --> 00:48:19,155 demonic blood, which actually makes him immune to vampire bites. So these rabbits, they're 546 00:48:19,175 --> 00:48:24,318 just going to like explode upon biting him, all right? And he's going to pull out this 547 00:48:24,338 --> 00:48:29,922 like vial from his pocket, which is like an anathema for vampirism. And you're just going 548 00:48:29,942 --> 00:48:35,034 to throw it at Zatanna's feet and it's going to emit this smoke, like a smoke bomb. that 549 00:48:35,054 --> 00:48:39,876 transforms her back into her normal self. I mean, would he really have an anathema for 550 00:48:40,036 --> 00:48:45,779 pseudo vampirism? This works on, like, vampirism of any form. He's prepared for shit like this. 551 00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:51,342 Okay. Meanwhile, Black Orchid, she's going to be going up against Brother Voodoo, and she's 552 00:48:51,382 --> 00:48:56,025 going to emit these pheromones that control him into shooting a magic blast at Ghost Rider, 553 00:48:56,245 --> 00:49:00,867 just knocking him straight off of his hell cycle. Right on his ass. Okay, so it's a lot of teammate 554 00:49:00,907 --> 00:49:06,050 turning on teammate here, huh? Yeah. Well, Brother Voodoo is, you know, easily manipulated by 555 00:49:06,110 --> 00:49:11,453 external forces because within him resides the spirit of his brother. So Daniel, his brother, 556 00:49:11,493 --> 00:49:16,396 he flies out of his brother and like shakes him out of this daze that he's in. And brother 557 00:49:16,416 --> 00:49:20,818 Voodoo is able to prevent further pheromone control on him by using this like special Voodoo 558 00:49:21,038 --> 00:49:26,301 herb mixture that counteracts the pheromones. And then Daniel the spirit is going to go off 559 00:49:26,481 --> 00:49:32,325 and freaking tackle Deadman thing which pushes Deadman out of the body. And those two are 560 00:49:32,345 --> 00:49:37,736 just going to start fighting as ghosts. Okay, okay. And as payback for manipulating Kim, 561 00:49:38,037 --> 00:49:43,761 Brother Voodoo is gonna in return manipulate Black Orchid. Since she is part plant and he 562 00:49:43,802 --> 00:49:48,846 can command plants, he's gonna like freeze her in place where she stands as he just strikes 563 00:49:48,886 --> 00:49:53,250 her in the head with his staff of legba. Oh, you mean he strikes her in her magic helmet? 564 00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:59,795 Oh yeah, that's stupid magic armor. It's still around, I gotta get rid of that. Edrigan meanwhile, 565 00:49:59,895 --> 00:50:04,650 he's trying to attack Dr. Strange, just slashing through. His magic shields laughing and rhyming 566 00:50:04,670 --> 00:50:09,032 about how he's gonna feast on his entrails, you know? Jesus. And finally, he's gonna break 567 00:50:09,072 --> 00:50:13,094 through Dr. Strange's defenses and shields, alright? And Etrigan, he's just gonna bloody 568 00:50:13,154 --> 00:50:17,456 Dr. Strange with his teeth, claws, and superior strength. Because Etrigan's like Hulk strength, 569 00:50:17,496 --> 00:50:22,097 remember? With magic. Okay, yeah, I think that would mess Dr. Strange up if he started getting 570 00:50:22,137 --> 00:50:27,880 like pummeled by Etrigan. So he's probably gonna be near death, but he's gonna raise up his 571 00:50:27,940 --> 00:50:33,955 hand, and he's gonna call upon the Spear of the Seraphim. to just fall from the sky and 572 00:50:34,015 --> 00:50:38,118 impale Edrigan where he stands, like right through his armor and everything. And since it's from 573 00:50:38,138 --> 00:50:42,782 the Seraphim, you know, Seraphim are angels. So it's just gonna freaking cause Edrigan to 574 00:50:42,842 --> 00:50:48,487 explode in this bright, holy light that exercises the demon and sends him back to hell, leaving 575 00:50:48,627 --> 00:50:55,012 just the human, Jason Blood, in his place. And this holy light explosion is gonna be so powerful 576 00:50:55,392 --> 00:51:00,476 that it's also going to demolish the magic armor that everybody's wearing. What? Conveniently. 577 00:51:00,817 --> 00:51:05,656 Like what, shatter? Yeah, it's like a angelic light spear, you know, it carries a big punch. 578 00:51:06,077 --> 00:51:11,821 I feel like that's a really random way to get rid of the armor, but okay. It's magic. No 579 00:51:11,861 --> 00:51:17,546 question it. Okay. Uh, but by this time Swamp Thing, he's regrown his body and he's going 580 00:51:17,566 --> 00:51:21,870 to see the vampire Morbius and he's going to turn his hand into like this wooden stake and 581 00:51:21,890 --> 00:51:26,453 he's just going to quickly stretch out his arm, running the wooden stick right through Morbius' 582 00:51:26,493 --> 00:51:31,317 heart as he was gliding through the air. That doesn't work on Morbius. He's not a real vampire. 583 00:51:31,337 --> 00:51:36,542 It's. Stakes through the heart don't actually do anything, nor do holy water or garlic or 584 00:51:36,582 --> 00:51:41,666 things like that. I'm pretty sure getting impaled would do something to Morbius. I mean it would, 585 00:51:41,706 --> 00:51:45,509 like he'll be out of commission for a bit as he regenerates his heart using his healing 586 00:51:45,549 --> 00:51:50,894 factor. But you know, he's not out of the match. And suddenly, like swamp thing, his head freakin' 587 00:51:50,934 --> 00:51:56,218 explodes into shredded lettuce. Because Bloodstone is gonna unleash two Goliath rounds from her 588 00:51:56,238 --> 00:52:00,874 shotguns at him point blank. Goliath rounds? Yeah, it's like getting hit with a bus. I guess 589 00:52:01,034 --> 00:52:05,716 it's a good thing that Swamp Thing doesn't really care about that. He'll be fine. Meanwhile, 590 00:52:06,056 --> 00:52:12,540 Manbat, he's gonna dive bomb right into Manthing at full speed, just splattering him into canned 591 00:52:12,620 --> 00:52:19,144 spinach. Like all over the battlefield. Oh, really? Yeah. You do know that Manthing is 592 00:52:19,224 --> 00:52:24,486 full of like, sulfuric acid. So he's like splattered all over Manbat, meaning Manbat essentially 593 00:52:24,506 --> 00:52:31,262 is just burning himself alive. I take it back! That was a really dumb move. And then- and 594 00:52:31,302 --> 00:52:35,966 then Man-Thing, he's gonna reform from the splatter, and Manbat's like, he's done for. He's burned 595 00:52:36,006 --> 00:52:39,889 all over his body, like his flesh is burning off all over his body, and he's just gonna 596 00:52:39,909 --> 00:52:48,276 finish Manbat off by ripping off Manbat's Manbat-Thing. What? He's done, he's out. Manbat dies. He 597 00:52:48,296 --> 00:52:54,601 can't survive that. What a way to go. That was literally like the worst death we've ever had 598 00:52:54,921 --> 00:53:02,006 in any of these team duels. That was so dumb. Manbat is dead now, but- Meanwhile, Deadman, 599 00:53:02,146 --> 00:53:08,228 using his superior agility, he's gonna evade this Daniel brother voodoo ghost, and he's 600 00:53:08,248 --> 00:53:14,369 gonna leap into Bloodstone's body, and he's gonna use her red gem to blast Daniel, like, 601 00:53:14,469 --> 00:53:18,870 out of existence. Okay, yeah, I mean, it's a magic blast. I think he could do that, yeah. 602 00:53:18,971 --> 00:53:23,912 And then, he's gonna take one of her knives and use it to slice her own throat, like cutting 603 00:53:23,992 --> 00:53:30,454 off the Bloodstone, which causes Morbius to become, like, overwhelmed with blood drink 604 00:53:30,474 --> 00:53:35,236 her dry, removing bloodstone from the match. That's messed up. Well, I mean, like Morbius 605 00:53:35,276 --> 00:53:40,078 was regrowing a heart at this time. But I guess the sight of seeing bloodstone bleed from her 606 00:53:40,138 --> 00:53:45,120 neck would compel him to gather his strength to go feast on that because he can't help himself. 607 00:53:45,380 --> 00:53:49,662 But the bloodstone makes her blood toxic to vampires. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Dead men 608 00:53:49,722 --> 00:53:55,184 cut that off when he slit her throat, too. So OK, so Morbius takes out bloodstone, which 609 00:53:55,244 --> 00:53:59,958 is fucked up and like Blade is going to be like really pissed off. You know, he's not having 610 00:54:00,018 --> 00:54:04,620 any of that shit. That's everything that he stands against. So Blade would at this point 611 00:54:04,700 --> 00:54:10,562 probably kill Morbius for killing Bloodstone. This is an interesting turn of, I'm gonna allow 612 00:54:10,602 --> 00:54:15,344 this. I'm gonna allow this. I mean, it's what would happen. I think, so he's gonna chop off 613 00:54:15,384 --> 00:54:20,946 Morbius' head, pick it up and like shove it in front of Dead Man's face since he can see 614 00:54:20,966 --> 00:54:27,049 him, you know, due to the Eye of Agamotto spell. So Morbius' vampiric eyes, they're gonna mesmerize 615 00:54:27,089 --> 00:54:33,241 Dead Man giving Doctor Strange enough time to freaking cast Deadman into like the dark dimension. 616 00:54:33,421 --> 00:54:40,947 Deadman's gone. Wait, so Blade decapitated Morbius, but used his vampiric gaze from his head to 617 00:54:41,148 --> 00:54:46,792 stun Deadman? Yeah, yes, yes. Like, uh, Perseus did with Medusa. I just recently watched Clash 618 00:54:46,812 --> 00:54:52,677 of the Titans. That may be where I'm getting this from. Okay, Deadman's gone, but meanwhile, 619 00:54:53,057 --> 00:54:58,426 Constantine and Jason Blood, they're gonna be working together on exercising Xerathos. from 620 00:54:58,486 --> 00:55:04,430 Ghost Rider, who I imagine is back on his bike and you know is pretty hard to capture, alright? 621 00:55:04,450 --> 00:55:08,753 Yeah. Now Dr. Strange killed Etrigen, but that just sends Etrigen back to hell, where Jason 622 00:55:08,773 --> 00:55:13,196 Blood can resummon him. So as Constantine is distracting Ghost Rider, that's what Jason 623 00:55:13,216 --> 00:55:19,000 Blood does. He's like gone, oh form of man. No, no, no. Before he can even finish this. 624 00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:23,202 First of all, the spirit of the Seraphim didn't just banish Etrigen back to hell, it fucking 625 00:55:23,282 --> 00:55:28,270 destroyed his ass. What? But second of all, it doesn't matter regardless because... Before 626 00:55:28,310 --> 00:55:33,194 Jason Blood can even finish performing this transformation incantation, he just gets run 627 00:55:33,254 --> 00:55:39,834 over at full speed by Ghost Rider's motorcycle. He's like, one, two, cheese! It's cold! So 628 00:55:39,894 --> 00:55:45,398 freaking Jason Blood is dead. Wow. And as Ghost Rider rides past Constantine, he's gonna yank 629 00:55:45,418 --> 00:55:49,301 him by his collar while he's riding. You know, he's gonna like stand up and surf on his bike 630 00:55:49,541 --> 00:55:53,604 as he's holding onto Constantine, and he's just gonna peer into his eyes and do the pen and 631 00:55:53,624 --> 00:55:58,888 stare on Constantine, forcing him to relive all the pain that he's ever caused on others. 632 00:55:59,088 --> 00:56:04,532 For Constantine, that's a lot. So the Hellblazer is just gonna go out in a blaze of glory, going 633 00:56:04,572 --> 00:56:09,883 to hell for all the shit that he's done, finally. Yeah, that pen and star would absolutely destroy 634 00:56:09,983 --> 00:56:14,686 Constantine. But it's a good thing that's not Constantine, I guess. Because instead of exploding, 635 00:56:14,866 --> 00:56:20,009 Constantine's skin just like sloughs off like dead leaves. It was actually Black Orchid pretending 636 00:56:20,049 --> 00:56:26,252 to be Constantine. The real Constantine is actually nearby, having finished like an exorcism spell 637 00:56:26,492 --> 00:56:32,436 that causes Ghost Rider in his entirety to get sucked into this tiny vial in Jon's hands with 638 00:56:32,456 --> 00:56:37,715 the Seal of Solomon on it. Boom. Ghost Rider is out of the match. You just got conned! Why 639 00:56:37,775 --> 00:56:42,978 would the Pennanesther work on Black Orchid? She's a hero. She's not a criminal. Well, no, 640 00:56:42,998 --> 00:56:47,281 she's done some shit in her past. She's very mysterious, right? But like even in the comics, 641 00:56:47,321 --> 00:56:52,044 like when she was taken over by Hecate, like she destroyed the Parliament of Tres. She's 642 00:56:52,064 --> 00:56:56,507 done some shit. You can't say she hasn't. But I mean, that's not really her sins. Like, I 643 00:56:56,527 --> 00:57:00,390 don't think the Pennanesther would actually kill Black Orchid. No, no, she's not dead. 644 00:57:00,770 --> 00:57:07,390 But but she is likely overcome with the fear and the pain that she's inflicted. And so Man-Thing 645 00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:11,793 is gonna capitalize on it. Since she feels fear, Man-Thing is just gonna burn her and tear her 646 00:57:11,813 --> 00:57:16,175 to shreds. So Black Orchid's now out of this match. That's right, because he's attracted 647 00:57:16,195 --> 00:57:20,258 to fear. Well, he's not attracted to it. It makes him uncomfortable, so he tries to get 648 00:57:20,278 --> 00:57:26,742 rid of it. Okay, so RIP Black Orchid. Meanwhile, Zatanna and Swamp-Thing, who by this point 649 00:57:26,782 --> 00:57:31,684 has regrown his head, are going toe-to-toe with Dr. Strange. Now Swamp-Thing, he creates these 650 00:57:31,744 --> 00:57:37,400 duplicates of himself, and together, They manage to bind Dr. Strange's hands, which allows Zatanna 651 00:57:37,660 --> 00:57:43,864 to hit him with this massive energy blast. Well, Dr. Strange has, like, magical blast resistance, 652 00:57:43,884 --> 00:57:48,588 as it were, you know? So, this magic blast, I'm gonna say it's not gonna kill him or anything. 653 00:57:48,928 --> 00:57:53,811 If it's really that strong, it'll probably knock him unconscious. But before he loses consciousness, 654 00:57:54,232 --> 00:57:58,955 he's going to eject his astral form. And he can still do magic in his astral form. And 655 00:57:59,055 --> 00:58:05,354 in his spirit mode, he's going to recognize that swamp thing... is essentially also an 656 00:58:05,474 --> 00:58:11,316 astral form just inhabiting this massive plants. So he's gonna pull out Swamp Thing's spirit. 657 00:58:11,576 --> 00:58:15,157 What's Swamp Thing's real name? Alakolland. But Swamp Thing isn't actually Alakolland. 658 00:58:15,417 --> 00:58:20,078 It was an entity that thought it was Alakolland for a time. Well he's gonna pull out that entity 659 00:58:20,318 --> 00:58:25,560 and he's gonna take him up onto the astral plane where Dr. Strange turns into like this giant 660 00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:30,721 fiery beast that just burns Swamp Thing and all of his incarnations and the green itself. 661 00:58:30,781 --> 00:58:35,267 It's just all gonna burn. Dude! Dr. Strange just fucking killed everybody. If the green 662 00:58:35,327 --> 00:58:39,688 is gone, there's no more plant life. Yeah, just in the DC universe. That's fine by me. Well, 663 00:58:40,149 --> 00:58:45,211 so in the battlefield, no one knows really what's going on, but the swamp things just disintegrate. 664 00:58:45,491 --> 00:58:49,972 And Dr. Strange's astral form goes back into his unconscious body. I think Constantine would 665 00:58:49,992 --> 00:58:54,834 have seen what happened, you know, on the astral plane, because he's psychic, right? So before 666 00:58:54,874 --> 00:58:59,336 Dr. Strange's astral form could return to his body, Constantine's just gonna perform this 667 00:58:59,436 --> 00:59:05,011 spell that banishes Dr. Strange's astral form. to hell, like preventing him from returning 668 00:59:05,031 --> 00:59:09,473 to his comatose body and eliminating him from the match. First of all, Dr. Strange would 669 00:59:09,493 --> 00:59:14,376 go to heaven. So he's trapped in heaven. No, he went to hell. That's where Constantine sends 670 00:59:14,416 --> 00:59:18,879 people. So essentially, Dr. Strange is in the afterlife now. He's out of this match. Right. 671 00:59:19,239 --> 00:59:24,202 But it would take time for Constantine to invoke this spell, right? So right after he finishes, 672 00:59:24,542 --> 00:59:30,165 he finds that a glaive has just decapitated him. Thrown by Blade. What? Yeah. So Constantine's 673 00:59:30,225 --> 00:59:34,327 head falls off. and the glaive returns to blade like a boomerang and he just catches it like 674 00:59:34,367 --> 00:59:38,579 a badass and like removes his sunglasses and is like some motherfuckers always trying to 675 00:59:38,679 --> 00:59:39,361 ice skate uphill 676 00:59:42,830 --> 00:59:47,652 Okay, I did not see Constantine being taken out with a sword or a glaive, but his trench 677 00:59:47,672 --> 00:59:52,974 coat is demonically possessed All right So upon Constantine's death it's gonna fly off of his 678 00:59:53,014 --> 00:59:57,876 body and just wraps around blades face and neck Just smothering and strangling him. Well blade 679 00:59:57,896 --> 01:00:01,978 could just cut that jacket off. No big deal No, because as blade is trying to cut it off 680 01:00:02,318 --> 01:00:07,660 Zatanna causes all of blades weapons to transform into like liquid which allows blade to get 681 01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:12,638 strangled and he's out of the match What's the spell for turning blades into liquid? Oh gosh. 682 01:00:14,139 --> 01:00:20,142 Take your time. Nort-ot, do you kill? Something like that. Okay, so Blade is gone. He's been 683 01:00:20,182 --> 01:00:24,784 smothered to death. But Man-Thing appears behind Zatanna and just slashes her across her back, 684 01:00:25,025 --> 01:00:30,247 leaving these painful burning slash marks. Okay, but Zatanna, she's gonna turn around and just 685 01:00:30,287 --> 01:00:36,371 compress Man-Thing's matter into like this crystal ball. And then she's gonna like lock this crystal 686 01:00:36,411 --> 01:00:41,233 ball in a magic chest that just appears. And then wrap that chest in like magic chains. 687 01:00:41,590 --> 01:00:47,753 And then just cause the whole chest to disappear. Presto, chain Joe. That was like a pretty elaborate 688 01:00:47,813 --> 01:00:54,097 elimination. She had to get rid of him. And I think I only have one guy left. Yeah, actually 689 01:00:54,117 --> 01:00:58,259 it's just Zatanna and Brother Voodoo now, I believe. I wasn't even keeping track. So if 690 01:00:58,300 --> 01:01:03,843 it's Brother Voodoo versus Zatanna, of all the magics that Zatanna is well versed in, I bet 691 01:01:03,863 --> 01:01:10,107 you one of them is not necromancy like Brother Voodoo is. He's gonna raise all of his fallen 692 01:01:10,127 --> 01:01:16,192 comrades, including Blade, Morbius, Bloodstone, Dr. Strange. They're all gonna come back in 693 01:01:16,472 --> 01:01:22,216 zombie form under Brother Voodoo's command. What? So really, it's Brother Voodoo and the 694 01:01:22,256 --> 01:01:27,040 Marvel zombies against Zatanna. And they're all just gonna freakin' dogpile on her and 695 01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:30,883 feast on her flesh. I mean, she could just set them on fire before like, any of them even 696 01:01:30,903 --> 01:01:34,830 get close though. That's not how you kill a zombie, fool. All you did was just turn him 697 01:01:34,870 --> 01:01:39,252 into fire-covered zombies. They're still lurching forward, they're still tackling, they're still 698 01:01:39,272 --> 01:01:45,014 feasting. Well, little did you know though, that Zatanna was actually possessed by Deadman 699 01:01:45,094 --> 01:01:49,416 at the time of her death. Because he could teleport between planes of existence. So when Doctor 700 01:01:49,436 --> 01:01:53,718 Strange banished him, he just came right back in the nick of time. And since these zombies 701 01:01:53,738 --> 01:01:58,440 have been given new life, Deadman, he's gonna duplicate himself and take control of each 702 01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:03,662 one. Brother Voodoo no longer has any control of these guys. So they turn on him. Well then 703 01:02:03,942 --> 01:02:08,103 at this point brother Voodoo would just blast all the zombies heads off and be the last survivor 704 01:02:08,304 --> 01:02:13,326 No, no, cause Deadman is an acrobat He's gonna use his superior agility to dodge like any 705 01:02:13,346 --> 01:02:18,108 magic blast that brother Voodoo may send at the zombies to defend himself Acrobatic zombies? 706 01:02:18,568 --> 01:02:23,330 What is cooler? So the dead man zombies are just gonna tear brother Voodoo apart and give 707 01:02:23,370 --> 01:02:28,092 Justice League Dark the win I disagree I think brother Voodoo kills the zombies and then destroys 708 01:02:28,132 --> 01:02:32,113 dead man using Voodoo giving Midnight Sons the win Well, let's take it to the stats and see 709 01:02:32,133 --> 01:02:37,018 what happens Alright yeah, either Dead Man Zombies feast on Brother Voodoo, or Brother Voodoo 710 01:02:37,159 --> 01:02:40,589 vanquishes Dead Man. We'll run the simulations and be right back with the results. 711 01:02:44,898 --> 01:02:49,060 Alright, that was a spooky good time. I always enjoy these team duel matches. This one got 712 01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:53,022 pretty interesting because I felt like there were a lot of possessions and like forcing 713 01:02:53,062 --> 01:02:56,704 other people to do things through magic and stuff. Yeah, yeah, it got pretty crazy. I think 714 01:02:56,724 --> 01:03:01,287 that's why I kind of lost track of who was still alive and who was dead. So we ran the simulations. 715 01:03:01,347 --> 01:03:06,290 Basically, when it comes to team duels, we don't run sets of data against each other. We run 716 01:03:06,370 --> 01:03:11,413 matrices. So it's all seven of the Justice League Dark characters against all seven of the Midnight 717 01:03:11,453 --> 01:03:15,548 Suns characters. Yeah, I was pretty surprised to see how these stat totals added up. The 718 01:03:15,568 --> 01:03:20,312 teams were pretty even, even though I would say that these teams specifically, probably 719 01:03:20,352 --> 01:03:24,836 more so than any of our other previous team duels, had a pretty wide range between like 720 01:03:24,896 --> 01:03:29,981 really powerful characters and really weak characters. Well, that was also the case for our JSA vs. 721 01:03:30,001 --> 01:03:35,505 Fantastic Four duel, but yeah, same here. Now, for purposes of balance, when we determine 722 01:03:35,565 --> 01:03:40,089 who's going to fight in these team duels, we kind of pair characters up against each other. 723 01:03:40,394 --> 01:03:46,796 So the pairings for Justice League Dark vs Midnight Suns were Zatanna vs Doctor Strange, Constantine 724 01:03:46,816 --> 01:03:52,719 vs Brother Voodoo, Swamp Thing vs Man Thing, Echigan vs Ghost Rider, Black Orchid vs Bloodstone, 725 01:03:52,979 --> 01:03:57,601 Man Bat vs Amorbius, and Dead Man vs Blade. But that's just for balance. Every character 726 01:03:57,621 --> 01:04:01,883 is fighting every other character. Looking at the results, Doctor Strange was definitely 727 01:04:01,923 --> 01:04:08,082 the most powerful character out of both teams. He won a whopping 84%. of all of his fights. 728 01:04:08,302 --> 01:04:13,306 Yeah, he was definitely the most powerful character out of both teams. But Swamp Thing wasn't too 729 01:04:13,326 --> 01:04:19,610 far behind him as my most powerful character, winning over 75% of his matches. I only had 730 01:04:19,650 --> 01:04:25,134 a total of three characters on the Midnight Suns who had a win rate above 50%. Besides 731 01:04:25,154 --> 01:04:29,857 Doctor Strange, that was Brother Voodoo and Ghost Rider. Justice League Dark had a few 732 01:04:29,897 --> 01:04:34,300 more people with an over 50% win rate, including Swamp Thing, Zatanna, Constantine, and Ettrichin. 733 01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:39,163 But you had the lowest win rates as well. Yeah, Deadman had the lowest win rate, honestly, 734 01:04:39,203 --> 01:04:44,005 because his stats... He's a ghost, his stats aren't that great. So he only had a win rate 735 01:04:44,065 --> 01:04:48,588 of like less than 15%. And considering he's going up against a bunch of like magicians 736 01:04:48,628 --> 01:04:52,990 and sorcerers and stuff like that, it kind of makes sense. And Black Orchid and Manbat didn't 737 01:04:53,030 --> 01:04:57,573 fare too much better either, with their win rates both in the 30s. Your weakest character 738 01:04:57,613 --> 01:05:01,815 was Bloodstone. It was either Bloodstone or Manthing, they were also both in the 30s. They 739 01:05:01,835 --> 01:05:05,817 were almost tied, basically. Manthing, even though he's seemingly a powerhouse, he's just 740 01:05:05,877 --> 01:05:10,604 not... very impressive statistically given that he doesn't really have a mind, you know? But 741 01:05:10,665 --> 01:05:15,328 I have the final results between these two teams Justice League Dark and Midnight Suns. Who 742 01:05:15,348 --> 01:05:19,871 do you think came out on top? I'm gonna say I'm gonna say Midnight Suns because both teams 743 01:05:19,891 --> 01:05:25,234 have a large disparity in terms of power levels, but Dr. Strange is the most powerful statistically. 744 01:05:25,595 --> 01:05:29,397 And plus the Midnight Suns didn't have anyone as low as Deadman. So since I have the most 745 01:05:29,437 --> 01:05:34,341 powerful and you have the least powerful, I think I got this. Even though freaking Instagram 746 01:05:34,461 --> 01:05:40,856 doesn't agree On our Instagram poll, two thirds of the voters, 67%, said that they think Justice 747 01:05:40,897 --> 01:05:45,499 League Dark is gonna win. But I think that's because the Midnight Suns aren't very popular. 748 01:05:45,819 --> 01:05:49,321 Right, they haven't had a movie like Justice League Dark has. And their game hasn't come 749 01:05:49,361 --> 01:05:54,845 out yet. Well, let's see how close our Instagram followers were. The winner of the matchup between 750 01:05:54,925 --> 01:06:03,209 Justice League Dark and the Midnight Suns is Justice League Dark. No. Yes, psych. They won. 751 01:06:03,682 --> 01:06:13,030 52.3% of the team matches. Wait, how much? 52.3. 523 of the 1000 matches between both teams. 752 01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:19,655 So, Midnight Suns won 477. Yes, yeah. I mean, that's pretty close. I mean, it's like the 753 01:06:19,735 --> 01:06:24,379 least close team duel we've ever done so far, actually. The rest of them have been closer 754 01:06:24,399 --> 01:06:29,604 than this. Your mom has been closer than this. That's stupid. That doesn't sound right to 755 01:06:29,644 --> 01:06:34,718 me. Dr. Strange, he's got a... find more powerful Marvel characters to add to his team next time. 756 01:06:35,058 --> 01:06:39,940 Because although Dr. Strange was the most powerful, you know, the combined might of Zatanna, Constantine, 757 01:06:39,980 --> 01:06:44,281 Swamp Thing, and Etchigan was just too much for your team to handle. Yeah, I guess Man-Thing, 758 01:06:44,321 --> 01:06:47,742 Bloodstone, Blade, and Morbius were a little bit lower on the spectrum. But I thought Dr. 759 01:06:47,762 --> 01:06:53,024 Strange could compensate for that. Yeah, I guess he's the Sorcerer sub-prime. Well, the Justice 760 01:06:53,064 --> 01:06:57,885 League Dark are the Justice League dorks. I fucking suck. That was bad. That wasn't bad. 761 01:06:58,005 --> 01:07:04,130 I'm pissed off. I got nothing. I'm actually heartbroken right now because I love Marvel's 762 01:07:04,191 --> 01:07:07,932 supernatural characters. But whatever, I'll get you on the next team duel. Yeah, that'll 763 01:07:07,952 --> 01:07:12,053 be in April and we're gonna be doing our very first villain team duels. We're gonna be pitting 764 01:07:12,193 --> 01:07:16,954 Batman's Arkham villains against the Sinister Six. Right, yeah, and this is gonna piggyback 765 01:07:17,134 --> 01:07:21,955 off of the Spider-Man No Way Home movie, which we suspect will feature the Sinister Six. So 766 01:07:21,995 --> 01:07:27,577 that'll be a fun one. We're talking like Joker vs. Green Goblin, Scarecrow vs. Mysterio, Penguin 767 01:07:27,597 --> 01:07:33,711 vs. Vulture, Mr. Freeze vs. Electro. Clayface vs Sandman, and Bane vs Kraven the Hunter. 768 01:07:34,031 --> 01:07:37,894 Yeah that's gonna be an awesome matchup. I can't wait for that one. But that does it for this 769 01:07:37,934 --> 01:07:42,396 duel. 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And don't forget guys to also use code dual 777 01:08:20,343 --> 01:08:26,345 20 at cufflinks.com to get 20% off any order and to listen to Batman the Audio Adventures 778 01:08:26,385 --> 01:08:33,053 on HBO Max. Our next episode, next week's episode is going to be another review. This past week 779 01:08:33,073 --> 01:08:38,397 we got the last episode of Doom Patrol Season 3, so we're going to be reviewing that. Yeah, 780 01:08:38,437 --> 01:08:43,100 it's another review, but luckily Doom Patrol is a good show. Definitely check it out on 781 01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:46,683 HBO Max if you haven't already. But that does it for this episode, we want to give a big 782 01:08:46,723 --> 01:08:52,987 thanks to our executive producers, John Spees, Ken Johnson, Jace Crump, John Storosky, Zachary 783 01:08:53,007 --> 01:08:58,642 Hepburn, John Beccinina, Mitchell Phipps, Dustin Belcombe. Salvador Hernandez Contreras Jr. 784 01:08:59,043 --> 01:09:03,625 and Levi Yeaton for helping make this podcast possible. And we'll talk to you guys next week. 785 01:09:03,985 --> 01:09:05,646 Up up and away, true believers.