1 00:00:03,283 --> 00:00:03,344 you 2 00:00:22,990 --> 00:00:27,733 Welcome to the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly show where we review superhero films and debate 3 00:00:27,773 --> 00:00:33,237 the superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing their characters in stat-based battle simulations. 4 00:00:33,677 --> 00:00:38,841 I'm Johnny DC. And I'm his twin brother Marvelous Joe. And happy Halloween, everyone! Yeah, happy 5 00:00:38,861 --> 00:00:42,483 Halloween, which was, of course, yesterday. But we're gonna keep it going for one more 6 00:00:42,523 --> 00:00:48,467 day with this Halloween-inspired duel episode, Solomon Grundy vs. Werewolf by Night. And it's 7 00:00:48,487 --> 00:00:52,470 been a while since we've done a duel episode, not since episode 300. where we play Young 8 00:00:52,510 --> 00:00:57,412 Avengers vs Young Justice. So this will be fun getting back to the duels. These characters 9 00:00:57,432 --> 00:01:02,474 are pretty spooky. So hopefully you don't get too scared listening to this. Before we get 10 00:01:02,494 --> 00:01:05,916 into the main events of this episode though, we will be breaking down the comic book movie 11 00:01:05,996 --> 00:01:11,479 news from the past week, including the news that James Gunn and Peter Safran have been 12 00:01:11,559 --> 00:01:16,921 chosen to lead DC Studios. Finally, I didn't think it was gonna happen. We're gonna talk 13 00:01:16,981 --> 00:01:21,213 all about it. We're also going to talk about the Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumania official 14 00:01:21,253 --> 00:01:26,017 trailer, the Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special official trailer, and the news that 15 00:01:26,057 --> 00:01:30,681 Disney Plus is getting a Vision Quest series. As always, we list our segment times in our 16 00:01:30,721 --> 00:01:34,625 episode description, so feel free to check out the show notes if you want to skip ahead to 17 00:01:34,645 --> 00:01:39,229 a particular topic. 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We wanna give a big shout out to Jay Chow, Devin 25 00:02:15,356 --> 00:02:22,099 Davis, and Scott Camacho for becoming new patrons of ours. Scott Camacho is also a new executive 26 00:02:22,139 --> 00:02:27,561 producer. Yeah, and I know Devin Davis purchased the Infinity Crisis deck building card game. 27 00:02:28,142 --> 00:02:33,144 If you haven't already, Devin, be sure to check out the Patreon post that lists the rules for 28 00:02:33,204 --> 00:02:39,943 the game. But with that out of the way, quick to the no prize. A No Prize is an award Marvel 29 00:02:39,983 --> 00:02:45,107 used to give out up into the 90s to fans. Our version, the Dynamic Duel No Prize, is a digital 30 00:02:45,187 --> 00:02:49,890 award that we post on Instagram for the person that we feel gave the best answer to our question 31 00:02:49,930 --> 00:02:55,955 of the week. Last week, in a question that immediately became obsolete the day that episode dropped, 32 00:02:56,395 --> 00:03:02,379 we asked, whose vision of the DC film universe are you most interested in? The Rocks, James 33 00:03:02,419 --> 00:03:08,015 Gunn's, Matt Reeves, or JJ Abrams? When we asked our question, the trades were reporting that 34 00:03:08,075 --> 00:03:13,237 those four were competing for power and their vision when it came to the DC film universe. 35 00:03:13,377 --> 00:03:17,479 Of course, as we'll be talking about later on, James Gunn and Peter Safran have become the 36 00:03:17,499 --> 00:03:22,722 heads of DC Studios, but we saw some honorable mentions to announce as well as the no prize 37 00:03:22,782 --> 00:03:27,064 winner. Our first honorable mention goes to Eric Maizel, who said, 38 00:03:30,630 --> 00:03:37,251 he's an outstanding director with fantastic vision. I feel like he can do no wrong. I didn't 39 00:03:37,291 --> 00:03:42,613 love what Abrams did with the Star Trek movies and his universe has been abandoned. I didn't 40 00:03:42,633 --> 00:03:48,814 watch any of his Star Wars stuff because it's Star Wars gross. I hadn't seen Black Adam or 41 00:03:48,834 --> 00:03:54,596 anything fast or furious and the Batman was just plain awful. So yeah, going with Gunn's 42 00:03:54,616 --> 00:03:59,677 vision for DC's future. Okay, there's a lot of things that I disagree with in this honorable 43 00:03:59,697 --> 00:04:06,260 mention. I do however agree that I'm not a fan of JJ Abrams franchises that he's done with 44 00:04:06,300 --> 00:04:11,942 like Star Trek with Star Wars. Of all of the choices, he was my least favorite to kind of 45 00:04:12,002 --> 00:04:17,705 take the reins of DC. To Eric's credit, he did give this answer prior to the news breaking 46 00:04:17,765 --> 00:04:23,007 that James Gunn had become the new CEO of DC Studios. He did see a lot of controversial 47 00:04:23,027 --> 00:04:30,050 things there, but I do agree that the Batman sucked. So wrong, so wrong! Our next honorable 48 00:04:30,130 --> 00:04:34,672 mention goes to Scott Camacho who said, For the vision, I'm going to have to say Dwayne 49 00:04:34,712 --> 00:04:40,174 Johnson. I mean, come on, Johnny, the guy brought a Superman back. But I believe by the time 50 00:04:40,594 --> 00:04:46,597 you guys get this recording, James Gunn and Peter Saffron have been named co-CEOs for DC 51 00:04:46,617 --> 00:04:53,180 films. So let's bring on the Gunn era. Yeah, I'm not going to lie. I was really looking 52 00:04:53,260 --> 00:04:59,234 forward to what The Rock was going to have planned for. the DC universe considering the fact that 53 00:04:59,314 --> 00:05:03,497 I really, really liked Black Adam. I thought it was a lot of fun. Dwayne Johnson did bring 54 00:05:03,517 --> 00:05:07,959 back Henry Cavill, which was amazing. I can't wait to see him as Superman again in future 55 00:05:07,999 --> 00:05:14,242 films. And I liked the idea of the justice league and suicide squad and, you know, justice society 56 00:05:14,282 --> 00:05:18,504 and the Shazam family, everyone basically going up against Black Adam, a little self-serving 57 00:05:18,704 --> 00:05:23,559 maybe, but I think the rock would have made it really cool. Well, maybe Gunn will collaborate 58 00:05:23,579 --> 00:05:27,461 with The Rock a little bit, so we'll still get to see The Rock's vision. Yeah, that's my hope. 59 00:05:27,501 --> 00:05:32,445 I mean, you can't just drop The Rock after making one Black Adam film. Like, I would love to 60 00:05:32,485 --> 00:05:38,409 see a sequel to that. Isn't that how that song goes? You can't drop The Rock, can't drop The 61 00:05:38,489 --> 00:05:43,453 Rock. But no, yeah, we all need to tweet James Gunn that song. He'll know what it means. I 62 00:05:43,473 --> 00:05:47,495 think the actual lyrics are, you can't stop The Rock. Oh, it's fine. Our next honorable 63 00:05:47,515 --> 00:05:54,159 mention goes to Kevin O'dealon, who said... Hi guys, the vision that I would like to see 64 00:05:54,219 --> 00:06:02,623 more will be the rocks vision because as a Marvel fan I feel like DC movies, this is as good 65 00:06:02,663 --> 00:06:08,685 a chance as they'll get to be as good as Marvel movies. Sorry Johnny DC, but yeah, definitely 66 00:06:08,725 --> 00:06:14,508 a very enjoyable movie and I feel like continuity wise I'll be good for the franchise which is 67 00:06:14,548 --> 00:06:20,326 a huge problem that DC movies have been having and yeah, go Marvel. Go Marvel. I think that 68 00:06:20,346 --> 00:06:26,330 really says it all. DC had one shot to be as good as Marvel and they blew it by not picking 69 00:06:26,370 --> 00:06:31,393 the Rock, according to Kevin O'dealon. Well, I mean, the Suicide Squad was pretty damn good. 70 00:06:31,533 --> 00:06:37,756 I would say that Black Adam was just as entertaining as any Marvel movie more so. And yeah, I remember 71 00:06:38,157 --> 00:06:41,819 your first reaction to seeing the movie, Joseph, was that it was the most Marvel movie that 72 00:06:41,939 --> 00:06:45,961 DC has made. So if you're a fan of Marvel, I could see where the Rock's vision really appeals 73 00:06:45,981 --> 00:06:51,829 to you. We want to give a big shout out to Landon Parker, Benjamin Ryan, Carson Miklis, and Oz 74 00:06:51,929 --> 00:06:55,352 for taking the time to visit our website and leave their answers to our question of the 75 00:06:55,372 --> 00:07:00,015 week. We really appreciate you guys doing that. But the winner of this week's snow prize is 76 00:07:00,636 --> 00:07:07,381 Dustin Belcom, who said, Hey Dynamic Duel, Dustin Belcom here. And you can call this sucking 77 00:07:07,421 --> 00:07:12,344 up to the host or whatever you want, but it's an honest answer. I want Johnny V's vision. 78 00:07:12,405 --> 00:07:12,765 I want... 79 00:07:16,660 --> 00:07:22,921 put in the discord chat of his plan that he was ahead. I want to join NGC all the way. 80 00:07:27,022 --> 00:07:31,625 Okay, now Dustin is definitely sucking up here and his answer is a little bit inside baseball 81 00:07:31,665 --> 00:07:37,070 because on our Discord chat server where all the patrons hang out, Jonathan posted his vision 82 00:07:37,370 --> 00:07:41,914 of what the DC Films franchise would look like over the next 10 years or so. And yeah, it 83 00:07:41,954 --> 00:07:46,818 was pretty solid. Yeah, David Zazlov had mentioned during the last investors meeting for Warner 84 00:07:46,838 --> 00:07:52,543 Brothers Discovery that he was looking for someone with a 10 year plan. Well, I have one and I 85 00:07:52,583 --> 00:07:56,962 think it's pretty awesome. If you wanna know what it is, James Gunn. Just feel free to at 86 00:07:57,002 --> 00:08:01,984 me. I'm totally available to spitball ideas. Yeah, James Gunn, you have to join our Patreon 87 00:08:02,024 --> 00:08:07,106 if you want to know what it is. If you're listening to this. Become an executive producer. But 88 00:08:07,306 --> 00:08:11,608 I do have to say Dustin has a little bit of brown on his nose. It is the best way to win 89 00:08:11,648 --> 00:08:17,770 a no prize. Like hands down. No, I am very honored that he chose me to be the head of DC Studios. 90 00:08:18,070 --> 00:08:23,373 Alas, I am not, but maybe someday. Until then, thank you for submitting your answer. If you 91 00:08:23,393 --> 00:08:26,749 the listener want to try at winning your own no prize. Stay tuned until later on in this 92 00:08:26,809 --> 00:08:31,322 episode when we'll be asking another Question of the Week. And now that that's done, on to 93 00:08:31,342 --> 00:08:31,884 the news! 94 00:08:37,758 --> 00:08:44,544 Okay, so I will admit that this past year has had a lot of highs and lows in terms of being 95 00:08:44,724 --> 00:08:51,150 a DC fan. Just the fact that Warner Brothers was bought by Discovery earlier this year, 96 00:08:51,330 --> 00:08:54,793 and it really didn't seem like we had clear leadership, or at least leadership that was 97 00:08:54,853 --> 00:09:01,659 willing to make a cohesive film cinematic universe, a la Kevin Feige over at Marvel. I just like 98 00:09:01,699 --> 00:09:07,951 suffered from so much anxiety this year. Being a DC fan, but with the recent news that DC 99 00:09:07,971 --> 00:09:13,232 Studios now has a leader chosen by David Zaslav or leaders I should say James Gunn and Peter 100 00:09:13,292 --> 00:09:19,574 Safran are going to be the new heads of DC Studios and their job actually starts today November 101 00:09:19,714 --> 00:09:26,176 1st, it was huge news. I did not see this coming I actually kind of lost hope but then out of 102 00:09:26,276 --> 00:09:31,877 nowhere we got the news about Gunn and Safran and I felt really happy I felt like really 103 00:09:32,157 --> 00:09:38,205 happy I didn't expect them to take charge, but looking at their past bodies of work, I think 104 00:09:38,345 --> 00:09:43,028 DC Studios is in a really good place. I was totally shocked by this news when I first heard 105 00:09:43,088 --> 00:09:48,671 it. I was a little bit embittered because I consider James Gunn more of a Marvel guy, considering 106 00:09:48,711 --> 00:09:53,714 that he still has the Holiday Special for Guardians of the Galaxy and Volume 3 coming out later 107 00:09:53,815 --> 00:10:00,302 on next spring. So he has all this insider Marvel knowledge. and he's just gonna bring all of 108 00:10:00,322 --> 00:10:05,324 that to DC, which essentially means that DC is ripping off Marvel once again. But of course, 109 00:10:05,344 --> 00:10:09,866 we also had the Suicide Squad from James Gunn, which was fantastic, and we had Peacemaker, 110 00:10:10,026 --> 00:10:14,788 which was amazing. Like, that show was way better than I thought it was going to be. But on the 111 00:10:14,808 --> 00:10:19,530 production side, we also have Peter Safran, who was the producer for Aquaman, which grossed 112 00:10:19,570 --> 00:10:24,672 over a billion dollars and is DC's most successful, highest-grossing film of all time. And we also 113 00:10:24,692 --> 00:10:30,088 have Shazam, which I loved. I loved that movie. He produced the Suicide Squad, and he's bringing 114 00:10:30,168 --> 00:10:35,012 us the Shazam and Aquaman sequels along with Blue Beetle. He's a really good producer. I 115 00:10:35,032 --> 00:10:40,377 guess initially Zezlov wanted Safran to take the role of the CEO of DC Studios entirely, 116 00:10:40,597 --> 00:10:45,622 but Safran was unwilling to do it unless he had creative support. And since James Gunn 117 00:10:45,682 --> 00:10:50,170 is a writer and a director, Safran pitched that the two of them would lead together. Yeah, 118 00:10:50,190 --> 00:10:54,513 it kind of surprises me that they both have the title of CEO. What they have does seem 119 00:10:54,553 --> 00:11:00,116 similar to the structure that they have at Pixar studios, which is owned by Disney, where Jim 120 00:11:00,156 --> 00:11:06,241 Morris is the CEO, but John Lasseter is the CCO, chief creative officer. And you would 121 00:11:06,261 --> 00:11:11,124 think that Gunn would have taken on the CCO role as opposed to CEO. Yeah, it is pretty 122 00:11:11,144 --> 00:11:16,348 interesting. I don't know what kind of, you know, administration background that James 123 00:11:16,368 --> 00:11:22,865 Gunn has, but yeah, both Gunn and Safran. are co-chairs and co-CEOs of DC Studios, which 124 00:11:22,905 --> 00:11:28,470 is a newly formed division at Warner Brothers, and that's going to replace DC Films. As co-chairs 125 00:11:28,490 --> 00:11:34,054 and co-CEOs, James Gunn and Peter Safran are in charge of not only films and television, 126 00:11:34,375 --> 00:11:40,560 but animation as well, except for Todd Phillips' Joker film, and the word is still out on the 127 00:11:40,620 --> 00:11:45,464 sequel for Matt Reeves, The Batman. What do you think James Gunn and Peter Safran's taking 128 00:11:45,564 --> 00:11:51,388 over of DC studios means for the future of DC movies? That's hard to answer. I gotta say 129 00:11:51,408 --> 00:11:55,931 at the very least they're all gonna have badass soundtracks. And I imagine they're gonna play 130 00:11:56,011 --> 00:12:02,316 out a lot like Aquaman and Shazam and The Suicide Squad, just really fun films. And it kind of 131 00:12:02,376 --> 00:12:08,040 seems like they're gonna continue the continuity established by the DCEU. Like Henry Cavill 132 00:12:08,060 --> 00:12:11,831 is still Superman, Gal Gadot is still Wonder Woman. All of that doesn't seem like it's going 133 00:12:11,871 --> 00:12:15,894 to change. Peacemaker is in that universe as well, along with Margot Robbie's Harley Quinn. 134 00:12:16,034 --> 00:12:20,618 All of those characters, I think, are gonna stay in their roles. And instead of rebooting 135 00:12:20,778 --> 00:12:25,943 anything, my guess is that James Gunn is just gonna keep building out this universe. Although 136 00:12:25,963 --> 00:12:31,788 I guess I should say it's no longer called the DCEU, it's now just the DCU. Which is a total 137 00:12:31,828 --> 00:12:35,932 ripoff of the MCU. I do think it's gonna get a little bit confusing when you're referring 138 00:12:35,952 --> 00:12:42,455 to the comic universe or like the... DC Universe Infinite app or the cinematic movie universe 139 00:12:42,515 --> 00:12:46,897 now. We're going to have to come up with some new acronyms pretty soon. But yeah, look, something 140 00:12:46,957 --> 00:12:53,100 new. Something's already changed. Gunn and Saffron are doing new things at DC and it's really 141 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,861 exciting. But this brings us to our question of the week. 142 00:13:00,362 --> 00:13:07,767 What new DC project do you hope James Gunn and Peter Safran officially announce first? Record 143 00:13:07,807 --> 00:13:11,890 your answer at dynamicduel.com by clicking on the red microphone button in the bottom right 144 00:13:11,910 --> 00:13:15,553 hand corner, which will prompt you to leave us a voicemail. Your message can be up to 30 145 00:13:15,593 --> 00:13:19,496 seconds long, and don't forget to leave your name in case we include you on the podcast. 146 00:13:19,716 --> 00:13:23,999 We'll pick our favorite answer and award that person a Dynamic Duel No Prize that we'll post 147 00:13:24,039 --> 00:13:30,491 to Instagram. Be sure to answer before November 6th. In Marvel news we got the long-awaited 148 00:13:30,591 --> 00:13:36,154 official trailer for Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumania. It was an amazing trailer. It looks like a 149 00:13:36,254 --> 00:13:41,277 really fun movie. It was really cool. Like I think this is the coolest Ant-Man has ever 150 00:13:41,337 --> 00:13:45,159 looked. It's definitely taking the franchise places that it's never been. You know the first 151 00:13:45,199 --> 00:13:50,242 two Ant-Man movies were heist films that took place largely on Earth. We did briefly visit 152 00:13:50,282 --> 00:13:55,145 the Quantum Realm in the last movie but it looks like most of this movie is going to take place 153 00:13:55,165 --> 00:13:59,628 in the Quantum Realm. where we get to see all the weirdness that takes place in the universe 154 00:13:59,768 --> 00:14:05,393 down at the subatomic level. I don't know if Marvel is referencing the Microverse or the 155 00:14:05,433 --> 00:14:11,137 Cosmos dimension within this trailer, but it looks very like Guardians of the Galaxy, Star 156 00:14:11,157 --> 00:14:16,201 Wars-ish. Totally. And I think that can only be a good thing for the Ant-Man and the Wasp 157 00:14:16,281 --> 00:14:20,855 franchise. Of course the trailer starts out with a lot of jokes, basically Ant-Man talking 158 00:14:20,895 --> 00:14:25,556 about how cool it is to be an Avenger and how he gets cheered on by people in the street 159 00:14:25,576 --> 00:14:31,018 who are like, thank you, Spider-Man. I thought that was a really solid joke. And it paid off 160 00:14:31,078 --> 00:14:36,019 later on in the trailer as well. Yeah. You know, like everyone may not recognize him as Ant-Man, 161 00:14:36,139 --> 00:14:43,101 but guess who does? Fucking Kang. Kang the Conqueror, yeah. We see that Cassie, who is aged up now 162 00:14:43,221 --> 00:14:47,845 after the events of... Avengers Infinity War where she didn't get blipped and the rest of 163 00:14:47,865 --> 00:14:52,850 her family did. She's doing some science stuff just like her grandfather and her dad. She 164 00:14:52,890 --> 00:14:58,315 creates a beacon into the quantum realm to check on how things are going down there. Of course 165 00:14:58,355 --> 00:15:03,240 this freaks out Janet Van Dyne who has spent a large part of her life in the quantum realm 166 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:07,965 and knows about the dangers there. They all get sucked into it and that's where this adventure 167 00:15:07,985 --> 00:15:13,683 takes place. Now this is a different actress from the one that appeared in Endgame, correct? 168 00:15:13,964 --> 00:15:18,906 Yeah, in Endgame she was played by Emma Furman, but in this upcoming movie it's gonna be Katherine 169 00:15:18,986 --> 00:15:23,067 Newton. And I have to say, I think Katherine does a pretty good job here. I like her delivery 170 00:15:23,207 --> 00:15:26,409 on these lines that she gives. Yeah, she's a pretty good actress. I haven't seen her in 171 00:15:26,429 --> 00:15:30,931 too much. I did see her in the movie Freaky, but she was great in that. The music that plays 172 00:15:30,951 --> 00:15:34,372 in the background of the Quantum Realm scenes is Goodbye Yellow 173 00:15:38,374 --> 00:15:42,917 Oh yeah, and it just kind of alludes to the fact that they're going somewhere just wild 174 00:15:42,937 --> 00:15:46,879 and fantastic, kind of like Oz. I loved how they took parts of the song and made like a 175 00:15:46,999 --> 00:15:51,943 synth sound out of it. It sounded really cool. It did. There was this one shot where it looks 176 00:15:51,983 --> 00:15:55,285 like they're almost in a Star Wars cantina. I thought that was pretty cool. Yeah. It'll 177 00:15:55,305 --> 00:15:59,368 be interesting to see who they meet down there. Of course, we do get a glimpse of Bill Murray. 178 00:15:59,628 --> 00:16:03,711 Yeah, a lot of the technology we see in this trailer, though, has caught a lot of people's 179 00:16:03,731 --> 00:16:10,127 attention because it looks very reminiscent of what we see. like on Shang-Chi's 10 rings 180 00:16:10,527 --> 00:16:15,730 and on the bangle that Miss Marvel wears. Which we theorized was a nega-band. Yeah, yeah, but 181 00:16:15,770 --> 00:16:21,633 I almost wonder now if it was like technology that Kang developed. Oh, that's possible. I 182 00:16:21,673 --> 00:16:26,516 think the costume that they gave Jonathan Majors as Kang the Conqueror was spot on. It looks 183 00:16:26,576 --> 00:16:32,799 really cool. I like how they translated Kang's blue face as more of a blue light screen that 184 00:16:32,839 --> 00:16:37,462 goes over his face. Yeah, yeah. That was a nice touch. I really like that. Overall, he seems 185 00:16:37,482 --> 00:16:42,304 to be playing a much different character than he who remains at the end of the Loki television 186 00:16:42,345 --> 00:16:47,868 series. Jonathan Majors is just a chameleon of an actor. Yeah, and this version has scars 187 00:16:47,908 --> 00:16:51,930 on his face. Yeah. Which is interesting. Like the mask that he wears in the comics. They 188 00:16:51,950 --> 00:16:56,612 do a pretty good job of setting him up as a threat. Now, we know that Kang is going to 189 00:16:56,632 --> 00:17:01,955 appear again in Avengers the Kang Dynasty because that movie was announced at the last D23. It 190 00:17:01,975 --> 00:17:06,682 looks like this movie is more setting up Kang than actually fighting and defeating him. And 191 00:17:06,702 --> 00:17:12,088 to that end, I really like how this movie seems to be displaying him as this force to be reckoned 192 00:17:12,108 --> 00:17:16,272 with, just like by the look that Paul Rudd gives him. I think that was a pretty good performance 193 00:17:16,312 --> 00:17:20,537 on his end. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was great. I really love how they didn't end this trailer 194 00:17:20,737 --> 00:17:25,522 on a joke. It was a very serious moment. And that feeling just kind of stayed with you even 195 00:17:25,542 --> 00:17:29,727 when the trailer was done. They didn't ruin it with bathos. This movie overall is gonna 196 00:17:29,767 --> 00:17:34,352 be one of my more anticipated Marvel movies really continuing the story that was left off 197 00:17:34,372 --> 00:17:39,457 from Avengers Endgame, which a lot of phase four really hasn't done too much of. But since 198 00:17:39,477 --> 00:17:43,101 Quantumania kicks off phase five, I think it's really gonna take us in this new direction 199 00:17:43,321 --> 00:17:46,985 for the MCU. Yeah, yeah, I'm looking forward to it. It kind of feels like we're going back 200 00:17:47,025 --> 00:17:52,070 to the Marvel that we know and love. Yeah. Not me though. You love it, you love it. You know 201 00:17:52,090 --> 00:17:56,235 what else you'll love? You'll love the Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special, which we also 202 00:17:56,275 --> 00:18:01,582 got a trailer for this past week. Dude, I'm gonna love anything James Gunn, henceforth. 203 00:18:01,902 --> 00:18:06,648 It's gonna be the best stuff. Now the special for Werewolf by Night was only an hour long. 204 00:18:06,728 --> 00:18:11,534 I'm assuming that this holiday special is going to be of a comparable length. In its- We see 205 00:18:11,594 --> 00:18:17,776 that Peter Quill Star-Lord is down in the dumps due to Gamora leaving him. Of course, this 206 00:18:17,796 --> 00:18:21,557 is the Gamora that he doesn't have a history with because that one died by the hands of 207 00:18:21,597 --> 00:18:27,959 Thanos. This new Gamora was time displaced into the main MCU timeline and I guess she doesn't 208 00:18:27,979 --> 00:18:32,620 really want to have anything to do with him. So with the Earth holiday of Christmas approaching, 209 00:18:32,860 --> 00:18:37,422 the Guardians of the Galaxy decide to kind of do something special for Star-Lord. Part of 210 00:18:37,442 --> 00:18:44,906 their plan is to travel to Earth to kidnap the legendary Kevin Bacon and present him to Star-Lord 211 00:18:45,046 --> 00:18:49,188 as a Christmas present. Now I'm sure that's not what the whole plot of the special is, 212 00:18:49,468 --> 00:18:54,551 probably just a side plot with Mantis and Drax, but already this thing is shaping up to be 213 00:18:54,751 --> 00:19:00,074 hilarious. I really love Drax's delivery when he tells Kevin Bacon, he's like so excited, 214 00:19:00,094 --> 00:19:04,257 he's like you're coming with us as a Christmas present. Like that makes it okay, you know? 215 00:19:05,618 --> 00:19:09,922 And to see Kevin Bacon in this was so shocking. Like I was not expecting that. Yeah, I love 216 00:19:09,942 --> 00:19:15,869 how the credits were like, and introducing Kevin Bacon. Yeah. Of course, Kevin Bacon was referenced 217 00:19:15,909 --> 00:19:21,515 in the first Guardians movie as one of the major heroes of Earth. He was the guy who taught 218 00:19:21,555 --> 00:19:26,501 all the people with the sticks up their butts how to relax and dance. You know? So cool that 219 00:19:26,521 --> 00:19:31,489 he's in this. And it'll be so interesting to see like how the real world interacts with 220 00:19:31,589 --> 00:19:36,533 the zany world from James Gunn's Guardians of the Galaxy franchise. Yeah, yeah, totally. 221 00:19:36,933 --> 00:19:42,618 I noticed Cosmo is also credited in this trailer. Yeah, I can't remember who does the voice for 222 00:19:42,758 --> 00:19:46,761 Cosmo, but of course Cosmo will have a Russian accent and maybe he'll find his way back to 223 00:19:46,821 --> 00:19:51,345 Earth. I don't know. I was also surprised at how different Groot looks like now that he's 224 00:19:51,445 --> 00:19:57,422 older. Yeah, that was pretty weird, right? He looks much more bulky, I would say. His head 225 00:19:57,482 --> 00:20:02,286 is still pretty small. Not as tall as it was from the first movie. It almost looks like 226 00:20:02,647 --> 00:20:07,631 it's live action now. Like they got a guy in a costume and they're CGing the face. It does 227 00:20:07,651 --> 00:20:10,834 kind of look like that, doesn't it? Yeah, maybe it's cheaper that way. Maybe they're saying 228 00:20:10,874 --> 00:20:15,818 that Groot is bulking up or something in his late teens. By this point, I'm hoping that 229 00:20:16,018 --> 00:20:20,258 he'll be adult Groot again because he's been growing for quite a while. I think one of the 230 00:20:20,298 --> 00:20:24,201 more surprising things that was announced for this trailer was that the special is coming 231 00:20:24,261 --> 00:20:29,544 out really soon in less than a month. It'll be debuting on the Disney Plus channel on November 232 00:20:29,604 --> 00:20:35,108 25th, which is the day after Thanksgiving in the US. Yeah, I mean, just to touch on the 233 00:20:35,148 --> 00:20:40,812 James Gunn taking over for DC News real quick one more time. I'm really curious to see how 234 00:20:40,852 --> 00:20:46,216 they plan on promoting these upcoming Guardians of the Galaxy films, this holiday special and 235 00:20:46,256 --> 00:20:50,170 Guardians of the Galaxy volume three without James Gunn. because of course he's not going 236 00:20:50,190 --> 00:20:54,852 to be able to work for the competition. Exactly. They probably have some clause in his contract 237 00:20:54,892 --> 00:21:00,034 that says he has to finish his contract with Marvel in the promotion and post-production 238 00:21:00,394 --> 00:21:05,096 of the Guardians movies, and then from then on he has to work for DC exclusively and can 239 00:21:05,136 --> 00:21:08,837 no longer work for Marvel. I don't even know about that. I think they might just have someone 240 00:21:08,937 --> 00:21:14,500 else wrap up post-production on volume 3, and maybe he'll do no promotional work for the 241 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:18,421 holiday special. I mean, they have actors for that. Yeah, that could happen as well. We'll 242 00:21:18,441 --> 00:21:23,292 have to see. But in the last bit of Marvel news, also dealing with the Disney Plus platform, 243 00:21:23,332 --> 00:21:28,935 we learned this past week that a new Marvel series focusing on Vision will be coming out. 244 00:21:29,035 --> 00:21:33,597 It'll be called Vision Quest, which is a name that I don't love, but it is really awesome 245 00:21:33,717 --> 00:21:38,980 to see that Vision is coming back after his last appearance in WandaVision. I actually 246 00:21:39,180 --> 00:21:43,583 like that name a lot, because it's like another pun, kind of like WandaVision. Why don't they 247 00:21:43,603 --> 00:21:50,398 just call this Vision then, or The Vision? Because he's going on a quest, bro. Okay. I was kind 248 00:21:50,418 --> 00:21:55,200 of hoping they would do something like Tom King's story where he gets his own family That would 249 00:21:55,220 --> 00:22:00,783 have felt like a much more direct sequel to WandaVision. I think this show might go that 250 00:22:00,843 --> 00:22:06,325 route I think it'll deal more with visions journey back to humanity as a worry, you know He was 251 00:22:06,385 --> 00:22:11,047 never human but now he's just the shell of what he once was when he was the wielder of the 252 00:22:11,087 --> 00:22:15,429 mind stone Hopefully he comes back to the vision that we know and love through the course of 253 00:22:15,449 --> 00:22:20,713 this show Deadline did suggest that there was a possibility for Wanda Maximoff to appear 254 00:22:20,913 --> 00:22:25,437 in this series, but since we figured that she allegedly died in the Multiverse of Madness 255 00:22:25,477 --> 00:22:28,980 movie, it's hard to know whether or not that's the case. Of course, they could always find 256 00:22:29,020 --> 00:22:32,462 a way to bring her back. I think they're going to bring her back even earlier than Vision 257 00:22:32,502 --> 00:22:37,666 Quest. I think we'll see her in Agatha, Covenant of Chaos. You think so? That's my guess. I 258 00:22:37,686 --> 00:22:41,269 think that's why they changed the name of it. I mean, it used to be called House of Harkness. 259 00:22:41,590 --> 00:22:45,833 But now they're talking about Chaos Magic. I think it's a huge telegraph. That's not a bad 260 00:22:46,013 --> 00:22:50,196 theory, for sure. There's not much more news regarding Vision Quest. We don't know when 261 00:22:50,256 --> 00:22:54,599 it's coming out. It likely won't be debuting on the platform for the next couple of years, 262 00:22:54,719 --> 00:22:59,042 but it is exciting that Paul Bettany is coming back. But I think that does it for the news 263 00:22:59,122 --> 00:23:03,646 for this episode. Let's move on to the main event, where we find out who would win in a 264 00:23:03,726 --> 00:23:08,709 duel between the zombie monster, Solomon Grundy, and the werewolf by night. 265 00:23:24,034 --> 00:23:30,757 Okay, Solomon Grundy versus werewolf by night. Again, we're doing this as a tie into Halloween, 266 00:23:30,797 --> 00:23:35,959 the holiday that was yesterday and the whole spooky season around it. Solomon Grundy, if 267 00:23:35,979 --> 00:23:40,922 you're not familiar with him, he is originally a Green Lantern villain who is this reanimated 268 00:23:41,082 --> 00:23:46,985 swamp zombie monster. Kind of like Swamp Thing, but not. Yeah, semi-related to Swamp Thing, 269 00:23:47,005 --> 00:23:52,567 you'll find out in the bio. Werewolf by Night, of course, recently had his own special debut 270 00:23:52,767 --> 00:23:59,009 on Disney Plus. It was Marvel's Halloween special. And once we saw how awesome that short film 271 00:23:59,049 --> 00:24:03,130 was, we knew that we had to get the character in a dual episode. Yeah, and it doesn't get 272 00:24:03,170 --> 00:24:08,311 more Halloween than a werewolf versus a zombie. And werewolf by night has fought zombies in 273 00:24:08,351 --> 00:24:13,253 the past, the Marvel zombies, with the Midnight Sons. So I just got to say, Solomon Grundy's 274 00:24:13,273 --> 00:24:17,784 going down. What do you think, huh? Mm-hmm. Well, let's find out! If you've never listened 275 00:24:17,804 --> 00:24:22,448 to one of our duel episodes before, the way we determine a winner between these two characters 276 00:24:22,708 --> 00:24:28,394 is by running 1000 Monte Carlo simulations using their statistics. A Monte Carlo simulation 277 00:24:28,474 --> 00:24:33,659 is a probabilistic model used to determine outcomes through random sampling. And in our case it 278 00:24:33,699 --> 00:24:38,344 randomizes statistics along a normal distribution, which is a bell curve, as a way to simulate 279 00:24:38,364 --> 00:24:42,659 the many variables that can occur during battle. The stat parameters we use are based on the 280 00:24:42,699 --> 00:24:47,363 official Marvel power grid, and we use that criteria to extrapolate the DC character stats. 281 00:24:47,623 --> 00:24:52,006 We've included some additional stat categories of our own, such as range, damage potential, 282 00:24:52,046 --> 00:24:57,390 versatility, and perception, in order to create a more complete and robust simulation. Running 283 00:24:57,410 --> 00:25:02,294 these 1000 simulations gives us a percentage of wins for each character, and we declare 284 00:25:02,314 --> 00:25:06,016 the one with the higher percentage to be the ultimate victor, considering that they're more 285 00:25:06,056 --> 00:25:11,436 likely to win any given battle. No character ever wins 100% of the time, comics have shown 286 00:25:11,456 --> 00:25:16,239 that there's usually a way for Batman to defeat Superman. And we feel our method falls in line 287 00:25:16,259 --> 00:25:20,422 with the precedents that have been established in the comic book stories. And we use this 288 00:25:20,462 --> 00:25:25,025 method because it was the least subjective, most unbiased way to determine who would win. 289 00:25:25,466 --> 00:25:30,249 Of course, we are both heavily biased toward our respective allegiances, so instead of debating 290 00:25:30,289 --> 00:25:34,912 these matches forever, we just let the math decide for us. There are no fan votes here, 291 00:25:35,192 --> 00:25:39,632 and no relying on just feats. Before we run the simulations though, we like to break down 292 00:25:39,772 --> 00:25:44,876 each character's histories and abilities before improvising a scenario on how we imagine one 293 00:25:44,916 --> 00:25:49,680 of the 1000 simulations we run would play out beat for beat. And I believe it's your turn 294 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:55,045 to go first with the Marvel characters backstory. Let me go ahead and tell you the spooky backstory 295 00:25:55,345 --> 00:26:02,291 of Werewolf by Night. Centuries ago, in the late 1700s, a Transylvanian man named Grigori 296 00:26:02,331 --> 00:26:07,834 Russov refused to bow before the ruler of the lands Vlad Tepes, who was also the immortal 297 00:26:07,874 --> 00:26:14,476 supernatural being Dracula. For his insolence, Dracula killed Grigori's wife. In revenge, 298 00:26:14,736 --> 00:26:20,397 Grigori attacked Dracula, seemingly killing him with a stake through the heart, but Grigori 299 00:26:20,437 --> 00:26:26,079 was then bitten by a werewolf that was in the vampire's service, forever inflicting Grigori 300 00:26:26,239 --> 00:26:32,221 and his family line with the curse of werewolfism. Generations later, in the Russov Castle estate 301 00:26:32,281 --> 00:26:38,082 in Transylvania, Grigori Russov's descendant Gregor, and the American woman named Laura, 302 00:26:38,182 --> 00:26:44,864 conceived two children, Jacob and Lyssa. Every full moon, in secret, Gregor would lock himself 303 00:26:44,904 --> 00:26:50,406 away in the castle's keep to protect others from harm. Yet one stormy evening, a bolt of 304 00:26:50,446 --> 00:26:55,687 lightning destroyed a section of the keep's walls, and Gregor, in his wild werewolf form, 305 00:26:56,027 --> 00:27:02,129 escaped and terrorized some of the local villagers. The townspeople, armed with silver bullets, 306 00:27:02,389 --> 00:27:07,505 shot and killed Gregor. and the Russo family was driven from their castle, with Laura taking 307 00:27:07,545 --> 00:27:13,310 her children to America and changing her last name to Russell. The children, Jacob and Lissa, 308 00:27:13,610 --> 00:27:19,255 eventually forgot the events of that night due to their young age. 15 years later, Jacob, 309 00:27:19,555 --> 00:27:25,881 AKA Jack Russell, celebrated his 18th birthday when he unknowingly inherited the curse of 310 00:27:25,921 --> 00:27:31,305 werewolfism and changed for the first time by the light of the full moon. The day after, 311 00:27:31,626 --> 00:27:36,309 His mother, Laura, who at the time had been fatally injured in a car crash, admitted to 312 00:27:36,349 --> 00:27:42,233 Jacob on her deathbed about his father's past and the Russoff curse. In an attempt to find 313 00:27:42,293 --> 00:27:48,137 a cure, Jack learned about the Darkhold, a magical book of dark spells. Despite going through 314 00:27:48,157 --> 00:27:53,041 many adventures acquiring the book and taking it to a priest to read, the book possessed 315 00:27:53,141 --> 00:27:57,884 the clergyman and Jack was forced to fight him in a battle that ended with the Darkhold vanished 316 00:27:57,924 --> 00:28:04,665 from sight. Jack became a lonely drifter traveling the world, ending up in his father's homeland 317 00:28:04,765 --> 00:28:10,069 of Transylvania. There he discovered a copy of the Darkhold and fought Dracula over it, 318 00:28:10,269 --> 00:28:16,013 though the book ended up lost in the Alps Mountains. Over the years, Jack teamed up with Frankenstein's 319 00:28:16,053 --> 00:28:21,077 monster to battle a satanic cult that had kidnapped his sister, he fought against Morbius, the 320 00:28:21,117 --> 00:28:26,701 living vampire anti-hero, and he teamed up with the hero Tigra against the villainous organization 321 00:28:26,781 --> 00:28:32,319 Hydra. Eventually, the group of aristocratic criminals known as the Committee tracked Jack 322 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:37,140 down. The Committee was revealed to be behind the car accident that killed Jack's mother, 323 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:42,442 Laura, and they hired the mercenary Moon Knight to attack Jack, with their ultimate goal being 324 00:28:42,482 --> 00:28:47,503 to capture and control the werewolf for use in their own nefarious schemes. You can learn 325 00:28:47,523 --> 00:28:52,004 more about Moon Knight in our Batman vs. Moon Knight duel episode. Moon Knight learned about 326 00:28:52,044 --> 00:28:56,485 the Committee's criminal intent, however, and he and Jack teamed up to take the Committee 327 00:28:56,525 --> 00:29:02,121 down. Jack also teamed up with his reluctant rival Morbius, the swamp creature Manthing, 328 00:29:02,461 --> 00:29:06,944 and the demon possessed hero Ghost Rider to form the Legion of Monsters team, though they 329 00:29:07,004 --> 00:29:11,728 tragically soon disbanded after accidentally killing a benevolent entity called the Starseed. 330 00:29:12,168 --> 00:29:16,491 You can learn more about Ghost Rider, Manthing, and Morbius in their respective duel episodes 331 00:29:16,551 --> 00:29:21,775 against Etrigen, Swampthing, and Manbat. Through all of this, Jack retained his human mind while 332 00:29:21,815 --> 00:29:26,674 in the werewolves form, but was never fully in control of his actions. During an adventure 333 00:29:26,714 --> 00:29:32,235 alongside Brother Voodoo, Jack managed to gain control of when he transformed, though it could 334 00:29:32,315 --> 00:29:37,237 only be under moonlight and he would still lose control during the full moon. Because of his 335 00:29:37,277 --> 00:29:41,698 greater control, he was able to team up with less supernatural heroes such as Iron Man and 336 00:29:41,758 --> 00:29:46,779 Spider Woman against the sorceress Morgan Le Fay. After managing to contact the spirit of 337 00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:52,161 his father Gregor and battling a cult of werewolves that had been turned by Jack in the past, Jack 338 00:29:52,201 --> 00:29:57,282 gained full control of his werewolf self and his transformation. Despite this, he still 339 00:29:57,322 --> 00:30:02,184 kept his distance as a lone wanderer and ventured up to Canada where he fought both the mutant 340 00:30:02,224 --> 00:30:08,647 Sabretooth and the Wendigo in the Canadian Northwoods. Later, Jack was captured by a villain called 341 00:30:08,747 --> 00:30:14,710 the Demon Druid and his blood was used to create a werewolf serum. This serum was used on Captain 342 00:30:14,750 --> 00:30:20,572 America, turning him into Cap Wolf, who was able to free Jack and other werewolves including 343 00:30:20,612 --> 00:30:25,592 Jade Jonah Jameson's son, John Jameson. also known as Man-Wolf who was an astronaut that 344 00:30:25,612 --> 00:30:30,657 was turned into a wolf by the other dimensional moonstone pendant. And there was also Wolf-Spain, 345 00:30:30,938 --> 00:30:35,462 a mutant and member of the New Mutants team. Damn, there's a lot of werewolves in Marvel! 346 00:30:36,043 --> 00:30:41,949 Together, they all teamed up and defeated Demon Druid. Jack was later slain by the vampire 347 00:30:41,989 --> 00:30:46,906 hunter Blade, who at the time was called Switchblade and driven mad by the Darkhold. Jack was soon 348 00:30:46,966 --> 00:30:51,347 resurrected though when the effects of the Darkhold spell on Blade were reversed by the supernatural 349 00:30:51,387 --> 00:30:55,308 heroes called the Midnight Suns, whom you can learn more about in our Justice League Dark 350 00:30:55,348 --> 00:31:00,809 vs. Midnight Suns dual episode. Upon Jack's return, he had lost the control of his werewolf 351 00:31:00,829 --> 00:31:05,551 form that he had gained earlier, and he resorted to locking himself in a cage during the full 352 00:31:05,611 --> 00:31:11,432 moon. He learns that in order to regain control, he needed to acquire the three pieces of the 353 00:31:11,492 --> 00:31:18,582 Wolf's Blade, an ancient mystical artifact. Jack was transported to a branch of Hell where 354 00:31:18,622 --> 00:31:24,864 he battled the original wolf demon, Varkolok, and he regained control. Jack's niece, who 355 00:31:24,904 --> 00:31:30,105 had become a vampire, was taken into the custody of SHIELD, the international law enforcement 356 00:31:30,165 --> 00:31:35,147 organization. When Jack tried to break her out of their custody, the two were recruited into 357 00:31:35,167 --> 00:31:40,568 the Hellling Commandos, SHIELD's own monster squad named after Nick Fury's original band 358 00:31:40,688 --> 00:31:46,050 of World War II heroes. Oh, it's like the Creature Commandos. Right. Later released, Jack was 359 00:31:46,090 --> 00:31:51,094 brought by Morbius into the Midnight Suns to fight against a zombie plague, and later joined 360 00:31:51,194 --> 00:31:56,598 a new iteration of the Legion of Monsters alongside the monster hunter Elsa Bloodstone, whom Jack 361 00:31:56,658 --> 00:32:02,262 briefly dated. Recently, Jack helped protect his former werewolf ally Wolfsbane after the 362 00:32:02,282 --> 00:32:07,686 birth of her newborn child, Slash Cub. A new werewolf finite character was introduced in 363 00:32:07,746 --> 00:32:14,458 2020, this time a teenager of Hopi Native American descent named Jake Gomez, who also came from 364 00:32:14,498 --> 00:32:19,680 a cursed family. He stopped life pharmaceuticals from kidnapping and experimenting on natives 365 00:32:19,700 --> 00:32:24,282 from the Hopi reservation. However, outside of his own mini-series, he hasn't shown up 366 00:32:24,322 --> 00:32:30,264 again except once or twice. Powers-wise, Werewolf by Night is a lycanthrope, able to turn into 367 00:32:30,284 --> 00:32:35,647 a wolf retaining his normal human intelligence and resembling a wolf-man hybrid. Under the 368 00:32:35,687 --> 00:32:41,009 full moon though, he transforms against his will, turns wild, and resembles more of a wolf. 369 00:32:42,734 --> 00:32:48,157 He has similar powers gaining superhuman strength, able to lift around one ton, speed fast enough 370 00:32:48,177 --> 00:32:54,580 to be a blur in short bursts, durability, agility, and enhanced senses including smell, hearing, 371 00:32:54,780 --> 00:33:00,724 and night vision. His claws and fangs are sharp enough to rend stone and soft metals. Werewolf 372 00:33:00,784 --> 00:33:05,327 by night has a vast healing factor that is ten times faster than humans, and he is nearly 373 00:33:05,367 --> 00:33:11,250 impossible to kill, even surviving decapitation. The only thing that can kill him... are weapons 374 00:33:11,290 --> 00:33:17,234 made from his soul weakness, silver, due to its mystical purity. Jack's mind, often within 375 00:33:17,254 --> 00:33:22,258 the werewolf form, is well-versed in occult knowledge. And that's werewolf finite. But 376 00:33:22,278 --> 00:33:27,482 that's only when he's in control, right? Right. So is he like stronger and faster and stuff 377 00:33:27,542 --> 00:33:31,965 during the full moon? Yeah, it kind of waxes and wanes similar to how moon knights does. 378 00:33:32,346 --> 00:33:36,589 At the height of a full moon, he's been shown to lift things that are like two tons. So it's 379 00:33:36,629 --> 00:33:40,764 kind of fair to assume that- like his abilities double in their effectiveness when he's in 380 00:33:40,804 --> 00:33:45,248 full wolf mode. Only two tons, huh? Hmm. That doesn't matter, I mean, does Solomon Grundy 381 00:33:45,308 --> 00:33:52,014 weigh more than two tons? I doubt that. He's mostly made of shit. Hahahaha. Swamp shit, 382 00:33:52,054 --> 00:33:57,478 sure. I think though you'll come to have a newfound respect for Solomon Grundy. New respect and 383 00:33:57,538 --> 00:34:02,983 fear after I get through his backstory. No, I won't. Let me get into it. Several miles 384 00:34:03,123 --> 00:34:09,500 outside of Gotham City in the suburb of Somerset, exists Slaughter Swamp, where a wealthy yet 385 00:34:09,540 --> 00:34:16,146 despised gentleman named Cyrus Gold was murdered in the late 19th century. No one knew why Cyrus 386 00:34:16,186 --> 00:34:22,051 was murdered or who murdered him. It was rumored that Cyrus was the father of a prostitute's 387 00:34:22,111 --> 00:34:27,095 child and was killed by her pimp when he refused to give into their blackmail and extortion. 388 00:34:27,436 --> 00:34:32,119 Whatever the circumstances of his death, the Parliament of Trees, which you can learn more 389 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:37,399 about in our Swamp Thing vs Man Thing episode, attempted to turn him into the next Swamp Thing, 390 00:34:37,740 --> 00:34:43,564 an avatar of the green, though the mystic process was unsuccessful since Cyrus had not died by 391 00:34:43,644 --> 00:34:49,328 fire. Whether due to the Parliament of Tree's interference or some other supernatural reason, 392 00:34:49,748 --> 00:34:56,473 the mostly decayed body of Cyrus Gold, now primarily composed of swamp and plant matter, was resurrected 393 00:34:56,613 --> 00:35:03,558 nearly 50 years later as a giant beastly man with no memory of who he was. After stumbling 394 00:35:03,638 --> 00:35:09,141 on two criminals hiding out in the swamp, Cyrus killed them in his confusion and stole their 395 00:35:09,181 --> 00:35:15,244 clothes, making his way eventually to a hobo camp on the outskirts of the swamp. When asked 396 00:35:15,284 --> 00:35:20,407 his name, Cyrus could respond only with the one thing he remembered about himself, that 397 00:35:20,447 --> 00:35:25,670 he was born on a Monday. When one of the men in the camp brought up the nursery rhyme Solomon 398 00:35:25,730 --> 00:35:32,334 Grundy, that became Cyrus' nickname. Strong yet mindless and easily manipulated, Grundy 399 00:35:32,354 --> 00:35:37,116 was ushered into a life of crime, and it wasn't long before he was confronted by the Golden 400 00:35:37,216 --> 00:35:42,399 Age Green Lantern, Alan Scott, who you can learn more about in our Green Lantern vs Iceman duel 401 00:35:42,439 --> 00:35:47,842 episode. Alan Scott's Green Lantern ring was weak to the element of wood, and because of 402 00:35:47,882 --> 00:35:52,925 Grundy's body composition, he was immune to Green Lantern's energy constructs, making him 403 00:35:52,945 --> 00:35:58,768 a formidable foe for the hero. Still, Green Lantern managed to use his wits to kill Grundy, 404 00:35:59,008 --> 00:36:04,956 hurtling him in front of a train. Cursed with continual zombie resurrection, however, Grundy 405 00:36:04,996 --> 00:36:10,019 returned from the dead, oftentimes with new personalities, levels of intelligence, and 406 00:36:10,099 --> 00:36:15,202 sometimes powers. Eventually, Grundy became much more of a threat than Green Lantern could 407 00:36:15,242 --> 00:36:20,405 handle alone, and after taking on the entire Justice Society on several occasions, Grundy 408 00:36:20,425 --> 00:36:24,907 was often stranded on distant planets or in Earth's orbit. You can learn more about the 409 00:36:24,927 --> 00:36:30,891 Justice Society in our JSA vs. Fantastic Four team duel. Once, while trapped in a magic bubble 410 00:36:30,931 --> 00:36:36,534 created by Dr. Fate, Solomon Grundy was able to absorb some of that magic and was transported 411 00:36:36,594 --> 00:36:42,817 to a parallel Earth. He later battled the combined might of both the Justice Society and the Justice 412 00:36:42,877 --> 00:36:48,280 League in Slaughter Swamp, though it was defeated and sealed there for a time. After battles 413 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:53,764 with Superman and Swamp Thing, Grundy took something of a heroic turn for a time after he was rescued 414 00:36:53,784 --> 00:36:59,131 from a glacier by Ellen Scott's daughter, the hero Jade. and he became an ally of her team, 415 00:36:59,271 --> 00:37:05,237 Infinity Inc. This was undone, however, after the villain named Harley Quinn, not to be confused 416 00:37:05,277 --> 00:37:10,862 with Harley Quinn, used her powers of illusion to fool Solomon Grundy into attacking Infinity 417 00:37:11,002 --> 00:37:16,847 Inc, and unwittingly led to the death of Skyman. After the crisis on Infinite Earths merged 418 00:37:16,947 --> 00:37:22,492 the multiverse, Grundy next appeared haunting the sewers of Gotham City and became an occasional 419 00:37:22,532 --> 00:37:28,177 villain of Batman. Grundy eventually moved to Opal City, the home of Starman, whom Grundy 420 00:37:28,217 --> 00:37:34,122 met in the sewers there. Grundy, innocent and childlike in this incarnation, became friends 421 00:37:34,142 --> 00:37:40,428 with Jack Knight, aka Starman, who named him Solly. Grundy also became friends with Mikhail 422 00:37:40,468 --> 00:37:46,393 Thomas, an alien, also known as Starman, and Grundy even sacrificed himself to save Mikhail 423 00:37:46,413 --> 00:37:51,338 from being crushed by a collapsing building. Mortally wounded, Grundy was helped. at the 424 00:37:51,378 --> 00:37:56,362 request of Jack Knight, his father Ted Knight, and Alan Scott, by Batman and the Floronic 425 00:37:56,382 --> 00:38:02,528 Man, the latter of whom was also a plant-based creature. Together, all five men consumed mystic 426 00:38:02,568 --> 00:38:08,113 seeds that allowed them to enter the consciousness of Grundy, and though they attempted to rescue 427 00:38:08,153 --> 00:38:14,738 the Solly personality, the other malicious and evil personalities with Grundy proved too strong, 428 00:38:15,079 --> 00:38:20,079 and when the men awoke from their journey, Grundy had died. Grundy joined the Injustice Society 429 00:38:20,119 --> 00:38:25,162 for a time and was later jokerized by Joker Venom, after which Grundy hid from the world 430 00:38:25,382 --> 00:38:30,046 within Green Arrow's abandoned Arrow Cave. You can learn more about Green Arrow in our Green 431 00:38:30,106 --> 00:38:36,070 Arrow vs Hawkeye episode. After stumbling across Grundy and his old cave, Green Arrow was violently 432 00:38:36,130 --> 00:38:41,754 attacked by Grundy, forcing Green Arrow to strangle him with a bowstring. Green Arrow later helped 433 00:38:41,834 --> 00:38:48,143 Dr. Chrissy Cavendish of Star Labs capture the resurrected Grundy, after Dr. Cavendish claimed 434 00:38:48,263 --> 00:38:54,067 to be a descendant of Cyrus Gold. When the cure intended for Grundy instead transformed Dr. 435 00:38:54,107 --> 00:39:00,391 Cavendish into a monster, Green Arrow managed to defeat her and then set Grundy free. After 436 00:39:00,431 --> 00:39:05,375 joining the Secret Society of Super-Villains at the Secret Six, Grundy was killed by Superboy 437 00:39:05,435 --> 00:39:12,780 Prime and was reborn with an advanced intellect, with which he orchestrated a complex plot to 438 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:18,068 manipulate the Justice League of America to helping him transfer his new mind into the 439 00:39:18,128 --> 00:39:24,434 body of an indestructible amazo android. Before his plan could come to fruition, however, he 440 00:39:24,474 --> 00:39:29,598 was torn apart by the wind power of Red Tornado, who you can learn more about in our Red Tornado 441 00:39:29,658 --> 00:39:35,423 vs. Sandman episode. After dying on the planet known as Salvation, where he and countless 442 00:39:35,503 --> 00:39:40,948 other villains were imprisoned by Amanda Waller, Grundy was reborn in Slaughter Swamp, this 443 00:39:40,988 --> 00:39:47,221 time as Cyrus Gold. Possessing fragmented memories of his violent life as Cyrus and becoming self-aware 444 00:39:47,261 --> 00:39:53,306 of his past lives as Solomon Grundy, he became terrified of dying again and being reborn as 445 00:39:53,326 --> 00:39:59,131 a mindless zombie, Solomon Grundy. Frustrated and afraid, Cyrus ended up in a scuffle with 446 00:39:59,211 --> 00:40:04,595 police, and while on the run, he jumped onto a highway and was killed. Returning to life 447 00:40:04,695 --> 00:40:09,179 once again as a mindless zombie and fleeing to the Gotham sewers where he battled Killer 448 00:40:09,219 --> 00:40:18,206 Croc, and grave of Cyrus Gold, self-aware once more. It was there that he encountered the 449 00:40:18,246 --> 00:40:23,590 Phantom Stranger, who enlisted Ellen Scott, Green Lantern, to help Grundy discover who 450 00:40:23,650 --> 00:40:29,294 killed Cyrus Gold so that Grundy could forgive them and his soul could move on into the afterlife. 451 00:40:29,674 --> 00:40:35,318 Not long after, Grundy and Green Lantern shockingly learned that the one responsible for killing 452 00:40:35,378 --> 00:40:42,143 Cyrus Gold was Cyrus Gold himself. In a fit of madness, Cyrus Gold had committed suicide 453 00:40:42,263 --> 00:40:47,947 in Slaughter Swamp in the mid 1890s. Unable to forgive himself, in that moment, Grundy 454 00:40:48,007 --> 00:40:53,511 received a Black Lantern Ring, becoming a Black Lantern during the Blackest Night events. With 455 00:40:53,551 --> 00:40:59,315 the truth revealed, and because the Black Lanterns were dead and without souls, Cyrus Gold's soul 456 00:40:59,435 --> 00:41:04,979 was pulled into Hell, and Grundy was killed for the final time when Bizarro flew him into 457 00:41:05,019 --> 00:41:11,310 the sun, destroying Grundy's body and the Black Lantern Ring. In post-Flashpoint continuity, 458 00:41:11,651 --> 00:41:17,114 the Earth-2 version of Solomon Grundy was a simple laborer whose wife committed suicide 459 00:41:17,494 --> 00:41:23,177 after Grundy's boss molested her, resulting in Grundy killing his boss before he, too, 460 00:41:23,477 --> 00:41:30,121 committed suicide. Grundy was later reborn as a swamp-thing-like Avatar of Decay and Champion 461 00:41:30,201 --> 00:41:35,784 of the Gray. Alan Scott, newly made the Avatar of Life and Champion of the Green on Earth-2, 462 00:41:36,385 --> 00:41:43,508 imprisoned where there would be no life for him to drain. On Earth 1, Solomon Grundy continued 463 00:41:43,548 --> 00:41:50,231 his cycle of death and zombie resurrection. Powers-wise, Solomon Grundy possesses incredible 464 00:41:50,271 --> 00:41:56,473 strength and durability, often capable of lifting up to 100 tons, though his strength varies 465 00:41:56,513 --> 00:42:02,156 from incarnation to incarnation, along with his intelligence. In a majority of cases, though, 466 00:42:02,416 --> 00:42:08,343 he's mindless and can only recite the Solomon Grundy nursery rhyme. Grundy is able to regenerate 467 00:42:08,563 --> 00:42:14,906 rapidly if near swamp matter, and he can reattach limbs if they are removed. If limbs are detached, 468 00:42:15,186 --> 00:42:20,950 they can move independently of his body. Because he has no vital organs, he cannot be killed 469 00:42:20,990 --> 00:42:26,633 by conventional means, and even if he is destroyed, he will eventually return to life in the waters 470 00:42:26,733 --> 00:42:30,835 of Slaughter Swamp. And that's Solomon Grundy. With those powers, how the hell did he get 471 00:42:30,875 --> 00:42:37,931 choked out with a bow string by a green arrow? Bad writing? That's what I thought. Okay, let's 472 00:42:37,951 --> 00:42:42,613 do some bad writing of our own as we get into this duel episode. Because now that we got 473 00:42:42,633 --> 00:42:46,094 their histories and abilities out of the way, we're gonna speculate on how one of the 1,000 474 00:42:46,494 --> 00:42:52,217 simulated matches will go. The winner is determined by simulations, not our speculation, but it's 475 00:42:52,257 --> 00:42:56,419 fun to imagine how this fight could play out. We don't set any rules for this match other 476 00:42:56,439 --> 00:43:00,300 than the characters don't know anything about each other going in, except that the other 477 00:43:00,340 --> 00:43:05,346 character is a threat that needs to be put down. And we say that they start off about 50 meters 478 00:43:05,386 --> 00:43:10,408 apart in an environment that has no bearing on the match itself because we don't take stats 479 00:43:10,468 --> 00:43:14,930 for the environment. Plus certain characters have advantages in some environments over others 480 00:43:15,290 --> 00:43:20,672 and we want them to win on their own merits. So let's get into it. Solomon Grundy and Werewolf 481 00:43:20,712 --> 00:43:25,875 by Night meet on the battlefield. Who goes first? Alright, I'm gonna say Werewolf by Night goes 482 00:43:25,915 --> 00:43:32,417 first because Solomon Grundy is just too damn dumb to go first. So with his blood curdling 483 00:43:32,497 --> 00:43:39,220 howl, werewolf is gonna dash on all fours toward Grundy and just slash him with supernatural 484 00:43:39,260 --> 00:43:44,222 speed and Grundy before the dude even realizes what the heck's going on he doesn't even know 485 00:43:44,242 --> 00:43:49,124 the match has started he's gonna look down and find that one of his arms is gone just slashed 486 00:43:49,204 --> 00:43:55,787 clean right off just gone yep okay so you know Grundy he's gonna look down at his arm on the 487 00:43:55,827 --> 00:44:02,489 ground he's just gonna pick it up and then just chuck that sucker like real hard right at werewolf 488 00:44:02,846 --> 00:44:08,730 And in mid flight, like this arm, the hand is going to form a fist. So werewolf gets clocked 489 00:44:09,010 --> 00:44:13,673 like from a far distance, right in the snout. And it just knocks him to the ground. Dude, 490 00:44:13,733 --> 00:44:19,057 you don't think canines know how to play fetch like this is what they do. So like werewolf 491 00:44:19,077 --> 00:44:24,301 doesn't get knocked to the ground like he leaps up and he just snatches Grundy's arm out of 492 00:44:24,321 --> 00:44:28,884 the air, like a stick that's being thrown at him. And then with the arm in his mouth, he's 493 00:44:28,904 --> 00:44:33,794 just going to like shake it really hard, like a chew toy. ripping it to pieces. Okay, except 494 00:44:33,834 --> 00:44:39,177 that the arm, like while it's in werewolf's mouth, it's just gonna like bend at the elbow 495 00:44:39,257 --> 00:44:44,239 and its hand is gonna reach werewolf's throat and just choke him out, all right? And while 496 00:44:44,379 --> 00:44:49,181 werewolf is getting choked out, Grundy, he's been walking toward him and he's gonna grab 497 00:44:49,221 --> 00:44:53,523 werewolf by the scruff of his neck and then just slam him into the ground repeatedly like 498 00:44:53,563 --> 00:44:59,425 a rag doll. Dude, that is animal abuse. You sicko. He's a villain. He's not above it. Wait. 499 00:44:59,934 --> 00:45:05,978 Werewolf's gonna let out a yelp and uh, he's gonna slash off Grundy's other arm that's slamming 500 00:45:05,998 --> 00:45:10,682 him on the ground and then the hand that's grabbing Werewolf by the throat, he's gonna slash at 501 00:45:10,722 --> 00:45:17,688 that too and just turn that hand into tiny bits. So Grundy now has no arms and one of the arms 502 00:45:17,708 --> 00:45:22,912 has no hand. Jeez. How about that? Alright, so Grundy, you know, he's probably pretty angry 503 00:45:22,952 --> 00:45:28,377 by this, he's enraged. So he's gonna kick Werewolf away. And while he does that, the arm with 504 00:45:28,397 --> 00:45:34,263 the still good hand that's gonna crawl up his body and reattach itself to his shoulder. Okay? 505 00:45:34,283 --> 00:45:38,445 Oh wow. And then with that hand, he's gonna reattach the other arm, you know, which he 506 00:45:38,465 --> 00:45:43,647 may not have a stump for a hand, but it'll grow back and heal over time. While Grundy's like 507 00:45:43,687 --> 00:45:49,330 taking all this time while he's busy reattaching his limbs, Werewolf like stealthily stalked 508 00:45:49,770 --> 00:45:56,573 around the battlefield so that he's behind Grundy, who's now like his prey. And Werewolf is just 509 00:45:56,593 --> 00:46:01,846 gonna pounce onto Grundy's back. and like slash across his face just turning his nose and mouth 510 00:46:01,866 --> 00:46:07,228 and eyes to ribbons and turning him completely blind. Geez! I'm gonna say, the werewolf can't 511 00:46:07,268 --> 00:46:11,449 rip out both eyes, you know, Granny's gonna grab one of werewolf's hands before that can 512 00:46:11,489 --> 00:46:17,191 happen, and he's just gonna crush the bones in that hand to gravel, like in his fist. Whoa. 513 00:46:17,211 --> 00:46:21,352 And then he's just gonna slam werewolf to the ground beneath him and just start stomping 514 00:46:21,412 --> 00:46:26,278 on him with his feet, like, turning him into wolf jelly. Wolf jelly? Grundy doesn't know 515 00:46:26,298 --> 00:46:30,461 what he's stomping, you know, he can barely see shit. His face is all fucked up. So he 516 00:46:30,561 --> 00:46:35,484 thinks that he's stomping the wolf into jelly, but really werewolf, he's going to slip away 517 00:46:35,744 --> 00:46:41,408 before he gets stomped just in time and he's going to bite at Solomon Grundy's Achilles 518 00:46:41,468 --> 00:46:47,212 tendon. Just, he's going to rip that whole back of his ankle off with his teeth. So Grundy 519 00:46:47,232 --> 00:46:53,456 can't walk now and he just falls to the floor. He's a zombie. You think Grundy like wouldn't 520 00:46:53,556 --> 00:46:59,049 walk on a stomped foot? He's made of like decayed swamp matter. So I disagree. I don't think 521 00:46:59,089 --> 00:47:05,034 it makes him fall or really, really even slow him down. Like he's not about that. So while 522 00:47:05,094 --> 00:47:10,559 standing still with his superior reach, Grundy's just gonna grab werewolf like an action figure 523 00:47:10,579 --> 00:47:16,183 with his good hand and with his superior strength, he's just gonna squeeze and snap werewolf's 524 00:47:16,263 --> 00:47:22,689 spine like a toothpick with a loud crack and now werewolf is paralyzed. Damn! That's, well, 525 00:47:22,709 --> 00:47:27,015 I mean, okay. If the werewolf is paralyzed, it's only from the waist down, right? Otherwise 526 00:47:27,035 --> 00:47:32,498 he'd be dead. Um, so the werewolf is still in his grasp, but he's like fucking going into 527 00:47:32,558 --> 00:47:37,721 full wolf mode. You know, he's like super furious and with his good claw, the one that's not 528 00:47:37,761 --> 00:47:42,804 broken, he's going to slash at Grundy's throat, just slicing the whole head from Grundy's body 529 00:47:42,844 --> 00:47:48,187 clean off, sending it flying through the air and like landing with a sick thud. And, uh, 530 00:47:48,247 --> 00:47:54,682 it must be Saturday because Solomon Grundy is dead. Match over. And eventually werewolf was 531 00:47:54,702 --> 00:48:00,165 just going to heal from all his wounds. Except you didn't suspect this during this whole time. 532 00:48:00,445 --> 00:48:06,749 Grundy's other hand that was torn up has now grown back and his arm that's holding werewolf 533 00:48:06,849 --> 00:48:11,431 stretched out. So, you know, the werewolves just slashing get air and can't reach Grundy's 534 00:48:11,491 --> 00:48:16,814 head. You know, with Grundy's newly grown hand, he's going to reach into his decaying body 535 00:48:17,115 --> 00:48:23,142 and pull out a knife made of silver. What he's going to plunge into werewolves hearts. killing 536 00:48:23,162 --> 00:48:28,323 him instantly. What the fuck? You can't just have Grundy literally pull a silver weapon 537 00:48:28,443 --> 00:48:33,445 from his ass and try to win that way. Like what is that? Dude, you never know what kind of 538 00:48:33,505 --> 00:48:38,986 trash and treasure you're gonna find in the swamp. You can't claim that. Silver in the 539 00:48:39,026 --> 00:48:43,747 swamp? You think people are just dropping silver in the swamp? Maybe? I mean, I don't know. 540 00:48:43,767 --> 00:48:50,629 Oh my god. I guess it was kind of a clever way to try to introduce silver into this match. 541 00:48:51,114 --> 00:48:55,375 I mean in the video game Injustice, like he has knives and even like a whole tombstone 542 00:48:55,675 --> 00:49:00,137 that he pulls out of his body. It's pretty cool. Really? Yeah. Oh, I guess I've never played 543 00:49:00,177 --> 00:49:04,339 as Grundy in Injustice. I don't remember that, but he regularly just has random shit in his 544 00:49:04,379 --> 00:49:10,001 body. I mean, I've never seen it in the comics, but sure. There's some precedent. I mean, his 545 00:49:10,041 --> 00:49:15,824 body is made up of stuff from the swamp. Okay. Well, we'll go ahead and end the match there. 546 00:49:16,044 --> 00:49:22,555 Either Grundy gets his head chopped off by werewolves claws. or Grundy pulls a silver knife from 547 00:49:22,595 --> 00:49:26,557 his ass and stabs werewolf. It was from his torso. He's not pulling anything out of his 548 00:49:26,657 --> 00:49:32,721 ass. We'll go ahead and input the stats on these characters into our simulation runner and come 549 00:49:32,741 --> 00:49:34,081 out with a winner. We'll be right back. 550 00:49:38,806 --> 00:49:45,168 Okay, so going into this match, I knew that Grundy was going to be really high in several 551 00:49:45,208 --> 00:49:49,490 stat categories. Yeah, I could pretty much concede right away that I knew Solomon Grundy was going 552 00:49:49,510 --> 00:49:54,993 to be really high in durability, strength, and damage. And he was much higher than Werewolf 553 00:49:55,033 --> 00:50:00,875 by night, but also maybe not quite as much as people would think because his powers are variable. 554 00:50:01,155 --> 00:50:06,017 Yeah, pretty much everywhere I looked across the internet, they did bring up the fact that... 555 00:50:06,474 --> 00:50:12,277 His strength levels varied from incarnation to incarnation whenever he was reborn. Sometimes 556 00:50:12,357 --> 00:50:18,420 Batman can hurt him. Sometimes Superman couldn't. So I had a really hard time giving him max 557 00:50:18,460 --> 00:50:25,044 stats in certain categories like strength, knowing that there are points in time when he was weaker 558 00:50:25,064 --> 00:50:30,587 than that. So I had to sort of average it. He's still on the higher end, just not at max second 559 00:50:30,607 --> 00:50:35,889 to max, basically. Yeah. But where Solomon Grundy was higher in durability, strength and damage, 560 00:50:36,246 --> 00:50:42,551 Werewolf by Night had him beat in speed, intellect, and perception due to his enhanced senses. 561 00:50:43,071 --> 00:50:48,436 Yeah, intellect was a big one. Solomon Grundy is known for not being bright. He is a mindless 562 00:50:48,456 --> 00:50:53,280 zombie a majority of the time. There's been a number of instances where he's been highly 563 00:50:53,340 --> 00:50:59,665 intelligent, but it's extremely rare. Surprisingly, we gave Solomon Grundy the higher range stat, 564 00:50:59,966 --> 00:51:05,878 if only because his limbs are still operable from a distance. Whereas werewolf by night 565 00:51:05,918 --> 00:51:10,519 has basically no range. He doesn't like shoot anything out or throw anything. I think what 566 00:51:10,539 --> 00:51:15,761 surprised me the most was how durable werewolf by night was. I thought Grundy was going to 567 00:51:15,801 --> 00:51:21,062 totally stomp werewolf by night in terms of durability, but I didn't know werewolf by night 568 00:51:21,082 --> 00:51:26,904 was fully regenerative. Yeah, one time Deadpool cut off his head and it grew back because Deadpool 569 00:51:26,924 --> 00:51:31,365 didn't use silver weapons. But with the stats put in and the simulations run, Jonathan, who 570 00:51:31,385 --> 00:51:34,783 do you think is going to come out on top? I think Grundy is going to come out on top. I 571 00:51:34,823 --> 00:51:39,405 just think he's so much stronger. He could do much more damage. And, you know, a lot of people 572 00:51:39,525 --> 00:51:44,328 agree with me, according to our Instagram poll, 74% of you think that Solomon Grundy is going 573 00:51:44,348 --> 00:51:49,471 to take this match. Well, are they right? Or I'm pretty sure they're right. Let's find out. 574 00:51:49,771 --> 00:51:59,056 The winner between Solomon Grundy and Werewolf by Night is. Werewolf by Night. What? This 575 00:51:59,557 --> 00:52:05,252 may be an upset. but we have the data to prove it. By how much? Werewolf by Night actually 576 00:52:05,312 --> 00:52:11,857 won 562 of the matches over Solomon Grundy. Now Grundy had the advantage in durability, 577 00:52:11,897 --> 00:52:18,522 strength, damage, and range, but Werewolf by Night was more evasive and agile. He had greater 578 00:52:18,622 --> 00:52:24,205 speed, had greater perception and intelligence. The match came really close, but in the end 579 00:52:24,225 --> 00:52:29,189 it was Werewolf by Night that scored higher in the simulations. I'm never quite sure how 580 00:52:29,409 --> 00:52:35,333 to... deduce who's going to win when one character is very well balanced and another character 581 00:52:35,533 --> 00:52:41,057 is not. It goes both ways and I guess this time it went towards werewolf by knight. I thought 582 00:52:41,097 --> 00:52:45,700 it was going to be a closer match than this if werewolf by knight did win. I'm actually 583 00:52:45,740 --> 00:52:51,204 surprised by these results because I mean, Solomon Gerdie, he's like the Hulk almost. Yeah, but 584 00:52:51,244 --> 00:52:55,847 not a smart Hulk. I mean, no one likes smart Hulk. He also didn't get high marks in fighting 585 00:52:56,007 --> 00:53:00,506 either, whereas werewolf by knight, you know, is like a seasoned experienced Solomon Grundy 586 00:53:00,546 --> 00:53:04,868 kind of has to start over from the beginning every time he's reborn. That's fair. Damn it. 587 00:53:05,208 --> 00:53:10,530 I guess it is a Saturday. On a Tuesday. Sorry to all the Solomon Grundy fans out there, but 588 00:53:10,590 --> 00:53:15,552 also not really. That does it for this duel. 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It's linked in our show notes and our lowest tier is only $2 a month. 596 00:53:56,057 --> 00:54:01,099 In our next episode, We're going back to the reviews. The DC animated film Batman and Superman 597 00:54:01,159 --> 00:54:05,921 Battle of the Super Sons gets released this week. So we're going to go ahead and watch 598 00:54:05,981 --> 00:54:10,283 it and review it for you guys. Yeah, I kind of wish that Marvel and DC didn't dump all 599 00:54:10,323 --> 00:54:15,245 of their content at the end of the year. I feel like they did this last year as well. But I'm 600 00:54:15,265 --> 00:54:18,886 looking forward to the movie. So I'll let you know what we thought about it next week. But 601 00:54:18,906 --> 00:54:22,928 that does it for this episode. We wanna give a big thanks to our executive producers, Ken 602 00:54:22,948 --> 00:54:30,600 Johnson, Jon Storosky, Zachary Hepburn, Miggy Mathengian, Brendan Estergaard, Nathaniel Wagner, 603 00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:37,584 Levi Yeaton, Austin Wazilowski, AJ Dunkerley, and Scott Camacho for helping make this podcast 604 00:54:37,644 --> 00:54:41,847 possible. We'll talk to you guys next week. Up up and away, true believers.