Mark David 2.188 9.101 THIS IS TAPE FIVE OF AN INTERVIEW WITH LEE SHULDMAN IN BROOKLYN, NEW YORK, JUNE EIGHTH, NINETEEN NINETY-EIGHT. Mark David 10.963 12.189 iz, uh, Mark David 12.516 13.213 ikh, Mark David 13.213 18.664 a por, uh, protim vil ikh f- vegn di, uh, di ershte dray lagers, Vayvere, Mark David 18.664 20.495 AUVERE, Kivyole. Lee Shuldman 18.692 21.015 y- ye. Kivyoli. Mark David 20.495 22.348 tsi zayt ir geven Mark David 22.354 23.917 tsvishn Mark David 23.957 25.101 froyen, Mark David 25.101 30.937 yunge froyen un eltere froyen fun Vilner vos ir hot a sakh fun zey gekent di gantse tsayt? Lee Shuldman 26.59 27.563 ye. Lee Shuldman 31.045 33.683 ye, fun Vilner un Kovner. Lee Shuldman 33.683 40.133 in di lagern, in Estland, zaynen geven Vilner un Kovner. fun Kovne hot men oykh gebrakht nokh Estland. Lee Shuldman 40.133 41.603 ye. keyn poylishe nit. Lee Shuldman 41.912 46.24 poylishe hot men gefirt in and- eh, dortn, in AUSCH- eh, in di andere zaytn. Lee Shuldman 46.435 55.626 <Es- uh>, ye. ikh hob gehat bakante, ye, vos <i-> fun der heym, vos m'hot zey gekent un m'hot zey getrofn a mol fun sh- eh, ye, fun gas, ye. Mark David 56.323 57.667 un, uhm, Mark David 58.838 60.666 ir zogt, s'iz geven, uh, Mark David 60.666 63.354 apels. kent ir bashraybn di apels? Lee Shuldman 63.192 64.603 apels, ye. Lee Shuldman 64.861 67.826 m'iz, m'iz aroys tsum apel, Lee Shuldman 68.322 70.678 dos iz geven di apels, Lee Shuldman 70.988 73.277 eyder m'iz aroys tsu der arbet Lee Shuldman 73.452 75.15 hot men zikh oysgeshtelt Lee Shuldman 75.19 76.888 in reyen Lee Shuldman 77.147 79.132 un m'hot undz oysgetseylt. Lee Shuldman 79.442 89.763 un m'iz geshtanen. vifl mol iz men geshtanen? biz tsu aroysts- oystseyln iz men geshtanen, <uh>, glaykh. host gemuzt shteyn azoy vi a soldat. un s'iz geven kalt, heys. Lee Shuldman 90.276 95.147 un di zelb- uh, shoyn, SOMETIMES. un, <uh> SOMETIMES, <m'iz> gekumen fun der arbet, Lee Shuldman 95.254 97.071 iz oykhet azoy geven. Lee Shuldman 97.071 102.559 tomer iz nit gefeln dem lager-firer epes, hot er undz gelozn shteyn. er hot nit gezhalevet az mir shteyen. Lee Shuldman 102.559 104.563 iz men geshtanen oyf apels, ye. Lee Shuldman 104.974 108.312 un, eh, eh, un in, eh, Estland hot men oykhet Lee Shuldman 108.312 110.312 gemakht in di lagern, Lee Shuldman 110.312 113.102 iz men gekumen oysklaybn mentshn tsum toyt. Lee Shuldman 113.58 118.434 me flegt oykh kumen in di lagern, ven m'iz geven in Kivyoli oder vos, hot men oykh gezogt Lee Shuldman 118.575 121.927 az me nemt mentshn, heyst es, eh, avektsufirn. Lee Shuldman 122.001 127.088 iz, eh, <y-> yunge meydlekh, hot men genumen a royte shmate un me hot gefarbt di bakn Lee Shuldman 127.088 129.898 tsu, az me zol oyszen <a, a,> eh, eh, m'hot ge- eh, spn... Lee Shuldman 130.084 135.497 m'- m'hot moyre gehat, hot men zikh gemakht azoy, me zol oyszen roz, azoy <f- uh,> nit krank, kholile, ye. Lee Shuldman 135.497 140.29 flegn zey oykh kumen un, eh, aroysnemen mentshn, <un> a sakh flegn zikh oykh bahaltn a mol. Lee Shuldman 140.29 145.164 ober ale hobn zikh dokh nit gekent bahaltn. di yingere, di kinder, hobn zikh bahaltn a sakh: Lee Shuldman 145.204 151.121 in a, unter di, untern dr'erd, untern barak, oder ibern dakh. Lee Shuldman 151.33 156.454 <o-> a sakh hobn zikh, ye. zey flegn aroysfirn di yunge<r>, di kinder, ye. Mark David 156.392 159.828 iz, uh, a mol getrofn az a froy iz geven trogedik? Lee Shuldman 159.852 160.65 ye! Lee Shuldman 160.65 161.398 ye. Mark David 160.982 163.381 un hot gehat dos kind in...? Lee Shuldman 161.59 162.191 <m-> Lee Shuldman 162.265 163.603 mir hobn, Lee Shuldman 163.603 167.169 eh, dos iz shpeter, ven mir zaynen geven in Hamburg, Lee Shuldman 167.817 170.072 iz geven a shvangerdike froy. Lee Shuldman 170.432 171.759 fun Estland Lee Shuldman 171.934 174.977 iz zi gekumen nokh Hamburg shpeter, Lee Shuldman 174.977 176.434 <iz> zi geven shvanger. Lee Shuldman 176.845 181.26 un me hot ir oysgeklibn... eyne iz geven krank oyf lungen, Lee Shuldman 181.485 185.309 hot men yene un di froy, di shvangerdike, oysgeklibn. Lee Shuldman 185.383 191.958 ober, un m'hot zey avekgefirt. mir hobn nit gevust; mir hobn gemeynt, m'hot zey avekgefirt tsum toyt. hot men zey avekgefirt nokh Bergen-Belzen. Lee Shuldman 192.454 197.251 shpeter, az m'hot undz gebrakht in Bergen-Belzen, hobn mir getrofn di froy Lee Shuldman 197.251 199.732 mitn kind. UNK kind hot zi gehat Lee Shuldman 199.732 204.361 oyf dr'erd <p-> tsevishn ale shmutsike toyte tsi lebedike. Lee Shuldman 204.638 206.184 ober dos kind Lee Shuldman 206.983 213.659 iz geblibn lebn. far vos? ven zi hot gehat dos kind, iz lang nit geven ven di milkhome hot zikh shoyn geendikt. Lee Shuldman 214.172 217.895 un dos kind in Bergen-Belzen hot zi gegebn a nomen Sholem. Lee Shuldman 218.712 221.575 s'kind iz geblibn un er iz geven, Lee Shuldman 221.597 223.751 in Yisroel iz zi geven mit im. Lee Shuldman 224.77 228.037 un er iz geven ts- efsher tsvelf-draytsn yor. Lee Shuldman 228.313 230.129 hot er gehat a khaver Lee Shuldman 230.271 233.218 un der khaver hot zikh mit im geshpilt Lee Shuldman 233.46 235.035 in Yisroel, Lee Shuldman 235.035 238.922 azoy vi kinder shpiln zikh, eh, in shisn, in dos. Lee Shuldman 239.097 241.996 un der khaver iz oykh geven in zayn elter, Lee Shuldman 241.996 245.638 hot gehat a revolver vos der tate fleg shisn foyglen. Lee Shuldman 246.049 255.324 er hot nit gevu- un s'iz geven a koyl, un er hot gegebn a shos, un er hot derharget dem yingl, vos iz geblibn nokh di milkhome, vos hot kha- eh, vos in di milkhome. Lee Shuldman 255.583 256.758 dos iz geven Lee Shuldman 256.849 259.664 mit dem, eh, ye. un s'iz geven nokh Lee Shuldman 259.664 261.546 etlekhe vos hobn gehat Lee Shuldman 261.546 267.694 in Bergen-Belzen kinder, vos zaynen oykhet gehat, eh, un di... Lee Shuldman 268.088 270.309 ober MOST zaynen geshtorbn. Mark David 270.248 273.712 ober in di dray lagern, vos volt, uh, getrofn Mark David 273.712 278.898 a- az a mentsh hot a kind? iz getrofn a mol az, az d- az a kind iz geborn gevorn? Lee Shuldman 278.432 282.616 NO. nit vos ikh hob gezen. nor di vos hot gesh- eh, Lee Shuldman 282.616 285.044 efsher iz geven ver; I DON'T KNOW. Lee Shuldman 285.044 290.072 <es> iz geven in di getos vos kinder zaynen geborn gevorn. s'iz geven vos m'hot genumen, Lee Shuldman 290.072 297.18 eh, mentshn vos zaynen geven shvangerdike, un zey hobn geborn, eh, ober, uh, lebn volt dos kind, <i- eh, eh.> ober Lee Shuldman 297.18 300.622 ikh hob dos nit gezen, nor <i- eh, s'>iz geven zakhn, ye. Mark David 300.302 305.966 az a froy iz ge- gevorn trogedik in lager, iz, iz dos geven a sekone far ir lebn? Lee Shuldman 305.77 308.981 a frage! a frage! ye. Mark David 307.828 310.286 UNK vos iz, vos hot pasirt? Lee Shuldman 309.162 321.508 ober es iz nit geve- ikh hob nit gez- nor di froy hob ikh gezen. hot men ir ave<kgez-> eh, avekgefirt nokh Bergen-Belzen. dos <iz vos iz> geven, un s'iz geven bald, kurts far di bafrayung, hot zi... dos vos ikh dertseyl aykh. Mark David 321.302 321.797 mhm. Lee Shuldman 321.514 322.953 ober di resht, Lee Shuldman 322.953 327.667 avade iz geven a sekone a sh- a shvangerdike oder vos. I'M SURE, ye. Mark David 328.112 329.321 iz, uhm, Mark David 329.752 338.417 tsk, <y-> mener un froyen zaynen geven tsuzamen, relativ yung? iz geven a, a mol, iz getrofn a mol az a libe hot men gefirt? yo? Lee Shuldman 332.128 335.218 dos iz geven in Estland. in Estland. Lee Shuldman 336.904 339.44 ye, ye, ye, ye. Lee Shuldman 339.44 341.381 ye. s'iz geven, ye. Lee Shuldman 341.381 342.534 s'iz geven. Mark David 342.726 344.863 vi hot men gekent dos oysfirn? Lee Shuldman 343.046 343.546 UNK Lee Shuldman 345.358 347.073 uh, LISTEN, bay nakht... Lee Shuldman 347.569 351.495 az m'hot gearbet, hot men gearbet bay nakht, ober az m'iz geven, <LET'S SAY>, zuntik... Lee Shuldman 351.552 355.386 di n- di natur fun mentshn ken men nit ibermakhn. Lee Shuldman 356.057 357.62 me ken nit ibermakhn. Lee Shuldman 357.964 359.325 dos iz, Lee Shuldman 359.82 363.883 s'hot pasi- eh, nit vos, uh, m'iz farlibt gevorn als libe, nor Lee Shuldman 363.883 376.268 <eh, eh, eh,> er hot gedarft hobn ver s'zol im gebn a treyst, zi hot gedarft s'zol ir gebn a treyst. eyne- hot men zikh tsugetulyet eyner tsum andern. der hot gegesn tsuzamen, iz geven m- mer vi <ey-> Lee Shuldman 376.594 380.818 un, eh, un azoy arum az s'iz geven, eh, a fraynd. Lee Shuldman 380.818 383.489 ye. ye. s'hot pasirt, ye. Lee Shuldman 383.513 384.232 ye. Lee Shuldman 385.148 388.063 hm, di natur ken men nit ibermakhn. Lee Shuldman 388.373 389.852 pasirt, ye. Lee Shuldman 390.178 393.969 I'M SURE s'iz geven SEX oykh efsher in lager. I'M SURE. Lee Shuldman 394.482 395.184 ye. Lee Shuldman 395.663 396.382 <o-> Lee Shuldman 396.439 398.047 me ken nit ibermakhn Lee Shuldman 398.047 399.049 di natur. Mark David 400.371 401.073 <v-> Mark David 401.248 402.929 iz geven, uh, Mark David 404.286 409.236 barakn bazunder, ober m'hot gekent ba<z- uh>... Lee Shuldman 407.307 409.953 NO, NO. b- eh, s'iz geven di f- eh, Lee Shuldman 409.953 416.076 eh, di froyen hobn gehat di froy<ens> barakn un di mener, di menershe. ober m'iz geven in lager tsuzamen. Mark David 414.438 420.142 <iz>, iz geven a, a, aza min hoyf vu m'hot gekent, uh, tsunoyfkumen? Lee Shuldman 418.68 421.775 oyfn h- oyfn hoyf iz dokh geven vu der apel! Mark David 421.743 422.623 <hm>. Lee Shuldman 421.775 425.306 s'iz dokh forgekumen an apel, hot ir do<kh >gedarft shtey- iz dokh geven a hoyf. Mark David 424.873 428.748 iz bay nakht, uh, iz men geven fray a bisl? Lee Shuldman 426.882 434.807 uh, bay nakht hot men gekent zikh ba- bahaltn efsher in der fintster, durkhgeyn eyner tsu di andere. hot gekent, ye. Mark David 434.503 435.275 mhm. Lee Shuldman 434.847 437.963 dortn in Estland iz nokh nit geven Lee Shuldman 438.154 443.424 mit elektrishe drotn, un keyn katsetn azoy vi di shpeterdike lagern. Lee Shuldman 443.424 447.575 dos iz nokh geven, az s'iz geven di mener mit di froyen, <s'-> iz nokh geven, Lee Shuldman 447.575 456.156 s'iz take geven S.S., ober s'iz nokh nit geven azoy vi AUSCHWITZ, azoy vi Bergen-Belzen, azoy vi Lee Shuldman 456.156 459.468 in, eh, m'iz geven nakher in Shtuthof. Lee Shuldman 459.535 465.654 dortn iz shoyn nit geve- iz geven mener bazunder, froyen bazunder. s'iz shoyn geven mit drotn elektrishe, mit alts. Lee Shuldman 465.846 474.294 n- biz Estland iz nokh nit geven di drotn mit di, es iz, eh, nit geven azoy mit elektrishe, alts, ye. Lee Shuldman 474.368 475.877 <s'iz>, ye. Mark David 476.14 477.332 iz, uhm, Mark David 477.996 479.627 hot men, uhm, Mark David 480.308 486.057 tsk, iz men geven gevoyer vegn di, uh, yidishe minhogim oder y- yontoyvim? Lee Shuldman 485.421 490.781 zey, di daytshn, hobn gevust. ven s'iz geven a yidisher mineg oder vos, hobn zey ersht genumen, Lee Shuldman 491.023 493.779 afile in geto oykhet, aroysfirn mentshn. Lee Shuldman 493.779 494.818 in di Lee Shuldman 494.818 499.32 yidishe un alts, hobn zey geton mer vi... zey hobn gevust, di daytshn, ye. Lee Shuldman 499.663 504.044 ye. zey hobn nokh mer geton in di yidishe minhogim, eh, far undz. Mark David 503.173 511.334 ir meynt az zey hobn dos geton tsulib dem vos <e-> es kumt for a yidisher, uh, yontev, hobn zey spetsyel...? Lee Shuldman 507.713 514.609 <eh,> SPECIAL undz, eh, ye, SPECIAL undz, eh, veyst, eh, ye, ye. zey hobn dokh undz azoy derniderikt. zey hobn dokh undz gemakht, Lee Shuldman 514.664 517.182 eh, zey hobn dokh undz azoy derniderikt. Lee Shuldman 517.182 522.944 az, az me hot gedarft, m<ir>, hot undz opgeshorn di hor, hot men undz opgeshorn oybn un untn. Lee Shuldman 522.967 525.344 hot dokh undz gekent a froy shern? NO. Lee Shuldman 525.344 527.13 hot a man undz gedarft shern. Lee Shuldman 528.418 529.503 far vos? Lee Shuldman 529.503 533.309 tsu derniderikn! alts undz makhn azoy vi mir zaynen nit keyn me- eh, Lee Shuldman 533.309 539.465 makhn undz alts payn un derniderikn, undz makhn nit keyn mentshn, mir zoln, UNK zoln filn, ye. Mark David 539.235 542.452 ven hot men aykh, uh, dos ershte mol opgeshert di hor? Lee Shuldman 542.779 548.965 dem ershtn mol? dos hot gemuzt zayn in, eh, in, eh, AU- in Vayva- in AUVERE. Lee Shuldman 548.965 551.196 hot men undz opgeshorn di hor in gantsn. Lee Shuldman 551.196 551.888 ye. Mark David 551.706 553.821 iz dos geven vinter-tsayt? Lee Shuldman 551.888 552.679 un... Lee Shuldman 556.026 566.857 dos, hm, ikh gedenk rikhtik nit, ober m'hot undz, uh, opgeshorn, ikh zog aykh, mener, oybn un untn, un m'hot zikh azoy geshemt far zikh aley- ober, eh, undz tsu farshemen. Lee Shuldman 566.857 569.132 m'hot undz etlekhe mol opgeshorn di hor. Lee Shuldman 569.425 572.855 az s'iz untergevaksn, hot men undz vayter, eh, opgeshorn, Lee Shuldman 572.855 576.81 eh, kedey, zey hobn nor moyre gehat az mir'n antloyfn. Lee Shuldman 576.968 579.378 az mir'n antloyfn, zol men undz derkenen. Lee Shuldman 579.378 583.357 vu hot men gekent loyfn in a fremd<e> land? vu hostu gevust tsu loyfn? ober Lee Shuldman 583.357 585.846 tsu farshemen undz, WHATEVER zeyer <pol-> eh, Lee Shuldman 585.846 588.6 ershtns hobn zey fun di hor gemakht matratsn. Lee Shuldman 588.6 590.102 hobn zey gemakht, Lee Shuldman 590.102 595.215 eh, shtof fun di hor. hobn zey dos, eh, ah, bay zey iz alts geven a kern. Lee Shuldman 595.215 599.577 m'hot opgeshorn azoy fil mentshn, kep mit hor, lange hor un SHO- Lee Shuldman 599.577 600.767 un kurtse hor. Lee Shuldman 600.767 603.304 bay zey iz, alts hobn zey... ye. Mark David 603.225 606.656 hot men aykh, uh, derlozt, uh, badekn di, di kep Mark David 606.656 608.67 mit epes, mit vos nit iz? Lee Shuldman 608.625 612.875 NO, mir hobn nit gehat mit vos. mir hobn nit gehat mit vos tsu fardekn, NO. Lee Shuldman 612.875 614.148 gegangen azoy o. Lee Shuldman 614.148 614.773 ye. Lee Shuldman 614.773 617.405 uh, vinter iz men gegangen, m'iz geven in Hamburg... Lee Shuldman 617.405 619.101 nit nor, eh, dortn... Lee Shuldman 619.101 620.837 on unterWEAR, Lee Shuldman 621.079 623.84 on BLOOMERs, on stanik, on zokn. Lee Shuldman 624.42 629.26 s'iz geven kalt un alts, un m'iz gegangen on, eh... m'hot nit gehat dos alts. Lee Shuldman 629.26 629.96 ye. Lee Shuldman 629.96 631.267 nit gehat. Mark David 631.339 636.682 uh, ve- uh, vegn di yidish yontoyvim, hobn, hot ir aleyn, uh, gepravet di, di yontoyvim? Lee Shuldman 635.676 646.557 az me hot gevust, flegt men, oder mir hobn keyn dates nit gehat. mir hobn nit gevust di DATE. mir hobn nit gekent, eh... a mol efsher hot zikh ver, eh, gekhapt az s'iz a, Lee Shuldman 646.557 655.481 a yontev oder vos, hot men, ye. ober, eh, m'hot zikh aleyn gemakht a bisl freylekh, a bisl, eh, m'hot zikh dermont fun der heym, m'hot zikh, eh, Lee Shuldman 655.538 660.57 eh, m'iz geven hungerik, hot men dertseylt di mayses, vos di mame hot gekokht, iz men shoyn gevorn zat. Lee Shuldman 660.57 662.577 bloyz fun dem, eh, reydn, spn. Lee Shuldman 662.577 663.212 ober Lee Shuldman 663.212 673.103 m'hot nit gevust. eh, a mol hot men efsher, ver hot zikh der- eh, fun zikh aleyn gefirt, <e-> efsher gezen vu a date oder vos, hot men gevust az s'iz a yontev. Lee Shuldman 673.103 675.141 ober, eh, rikhtik nit. Lee Shuldman 675.214 675.95 ye. Mark David 677.172 683.578 ho- eh, zayt ir a mol gevoyer gevorn az es iz peysekh un getrakht vegn, uh, dem ba- badayt fun peysekh? Lee Shuldman 682.099 686.508 ye, ye. veyst ir vos? vayle ikh bin geven in Kivyoli iz dortn geven Lee Shuldman 686.508 690.682 a yid, a frumer yid, un zayn tokhter hot gearbet bayn, Lee Shuldman 690.79 693.636 bayn gantsn daytshishn firer. Lee Shuldman 693.962 697.73 zi iz geven zeyer a sheyne. hot er ir oysgeklibn, <uh>. Lee Shuldman 698.012 700.351 hot er gelozt dem tatn Lee Shuldman 700.408 703.91 a bisl firn zayn, eh... Lee Shuldman 703.91 708.081 gedenk ikh vi der tate hot gemakht fun a bisl mel a matse. Lee Shuldman 708.272 709.852 er iz geven a frumer yid. Lee Shuldman 709.892 713.036 ALRIGHT, nakher hot men ir umgebrakht, un dem tatn, Lee Shuldman 713.036 716.158 ober dan, di tsayt vos zi hot gearbet bay dem groysn daytsh, Lee Shuldman 716.158 725.748 gedenk ikh, hot er, ho- dan hob ikh gevust az s'iz peysekh, az er hot, eh, gemakht a matse, ye. fun mel a bisl, hot men im gegebn fun kikh, hot er gemakht a matse. Lee Shuldman 725.873 728.82 ye. ober azoy hot men nit gevust un, eh, Lee Shuldman 729.298 736.34 ver, <uh, eh,> m'hot nit gevust keyn DATE, keyn dates, mit vos. m'hot nor gevust, m'hot opgearbet di vokh, az s'iz gekumen Lee Shuldman 736.34 737.545 zuntik, Lee Shuldman 737.667 744.763 eh, hot men oykhet gearbet a halbn tog in lager, hot men gedarft dem lager CLEANen, oder m'hot gevust az s'iz zuntik. ober azoy, ehm, Lee Shuldman 744.763 746.555 m'ho- m'hot gelebt on dates. Lee Shuldman 746.933 747.613 ye. Mark David 747.49 749.036 on a shabes? Lee Shuldman 749.245 755.09 <far a> shabes? UNK shabes? m'hot gearbet, me, vos, gevust a shabes? m'hot gevust? Lee Shuldman 755.353 758.131 un az m'hot gevust, vos <t-> hot men gekent ton? Lee Shuldman 758.796 761.535 m'hot nit gekent kokhn keyn fish mit yoykh, spn. Lee Shuldman 761.535 764.802 m'hot zikh gefreyt <az> m'hot gehat a shtikl broyt, az m'hot undz gegebn. Lee Shuldman 764.802 765.472 ye. Mark David 766.44 767.635 iz men zi- uh, Mark David 767.635 768.713 iz men, Mark David 768.786 775.546 hot men zikh, uh, a mol gevondn tsu emetsn vos iz geven a, a frume, a frume yidene, oder a frumen? Lee Shuldman 773.494 774.635 N- Lee Shuldman 774.658 780.086 NO, keyner hot zikh nit gevondn, un keyner hot nit gekent gornit ton, un yeder hot moyre gehat. Lee Shuldman 780.177 780.879 ye. Lee Shuldman 781.071 782.887 keyner hot zikh nit gev<o>ndn... Lee Shuldman 782.887 784.215 ikh gedenk eyn mol Lee Shuldman 784.215 786.67 in Hamburg, dos iz shoyn geven shpeter, Lee Shuldman 786.67 791.978 iz gevendn epes, <ir> zet, dan hobn mir gevust az s'iz CHRISTMAS. mir hobn nit gevust az s'iz... nor Lee Shuldman 791.978 793.536 s'iz gekumen a man. Lee Shuldman 793.542 796.964 shpeter arum hot men farshtanen ver er iz geven un vos. Lee Shuldman 796.964 798.187 a hoykher man, Lee Shuldman 798.187 804.338 un mit eyn mol hot men undz gegebn aza pekele mit lekekhlekh, mit farshidene gute zakhn. Lee Shuldman 804.338 806.748 m'hot nit gevust vos dos hot pasirt. Lee Shuldman 806.856 808.655 iz gekumen a man, Lee Shuldman 808.763 813.729 z- eh, un er hot geredt, gekukt, oder mir hobn... un er iz gegangen mitn S.S.-man. Lee Shuldman 813.729 816.547 mir hobn keyn tsvey verter nit getort zogn: Lee Shuldman 816.547 817.97 "ye" OR "neyn". Lee Shuldman 819.259 820.4 un Lee Shuldman 821.031 825.077 nakher hot zikh aroysgevizn, shoyn shpeter, az dos iz geven Lee Shuldman 825.077 830.913 fun di, eh, fun Shveyts, a DELEGATE, tsu vayzn vi me halt undz azoy gut. Lee Shuldman 830.92 835.397 f<re- ober> mir, eh, derfar hot men undz gegebn d<er> lekekhl mit <di,> dos, Lee Shuldman 835.397 838.004 mit di, mit a bisele, epes... Lee Shuldman 838.004 841.626 un m'iz nit gegangen tsum, eh, dem tog tsu der arbet. oder me, Lee Shuldman 841.626 844.852 er iz gekumen, a man, durkhgegangen. ver hot gevust ver er iz? Lee Shuldman 845.297 848.424 nor m'hot zikh gefreyt az m'hot gehat epes UNK optsuesn. Lee Shuldman 848.424 852.407 shpeter hot men zikh dervust, shoyn nokh di krig, az dos iz geven Lee Shuldman 852.407 859.872 vi m'hot zey opgenart, vi me git undz esn un trinken, eh, vi me git undz, eh... un dos iz geven fun Shveyts a DELEGATE. Lee Shuldman 859.872 861.372 der Royter Kreyts, ye. Mark David 860.991 864.265 fun der <SCHWEIZ>, uh, fun, uh Royter <KREUZ>? Lee Shuldman 861.919 864.295 ye. ye, fun Royter, ye. Lee Shuldman 864.295 869.236 vayle, eh, ikh gedenk, mayn man hot mir a mol dertseylt, az s'iz geven in AUSCHWITZ, Lee Shuldman 869.243 870.876 hot men zey gegebn Lee Shuldman 870.876 871.796 zup, Lee Shuldman 871.796 875.733 gedikhte zup! di lefl iz geshtanen in di zup. Lee Shuldman 875.824 879.345 m'hot zey gegebn vayse laylekher, mit kishns. Lee Shuldman 880.92 883.445 un s'iz oykh gekumen a delegatsye; Lee Shuldman 883.485 886.533 zet oys, <s'hot> oykhet fun Roytn Kreyts, mistomen. Lee Shuldman 886.725 894.751 un azoy vi d- zey hobn dan ge- un vi di delegatsye iz avek, hot men aropgenumen di laylekher mit di kishns, un alts tsurik azoy vi s'iz geven. Lee Shuldman 895.18 901.648 zey flegn opnarn un zey hobn dokh, eh, zet oys, mistome, iz gekumen ver, hobn zey gevelt vayzn vi, Lee Shuldman 901.648 905.163 vi me lebt vi, vi, vi <k- eh,> vi gut undz iz, ye. Mark David 905.71 912.555 un, uh, oykh vegn, uh<m>, di lagern, oykh efsher in, in Vilner geto, gedenkt ir, Mark David 912.932 916.183 uh, tsi me hot g- gezungen a bisl? Lee Shuldman 915.396 917.972 ye. afile in di lagern. Lee Shuldman 917.978 919.918 mir flegn zikh zetsn, Lee Shuldman 919.947 921.78 <ehm, eh,> m'hot opgearbet, Lee Shuldman 921.78 932.956 m'iz hungerik geven. ven zingt a tsigayner? ven er iz hungerik. hot men zikh gemakht a bisl freylekh. m'hot gezungen a bisele. m'hot a bisl getantst. m'hot zikh gemakht a LI- a bisl freylekh, ye. Mark David 932.355 934.145 un vos fleg men zingen? Lee Shuldman 933.975 937.175 ikh veys, me fleg zikh dermonen di lider fun der heym, Lee Shuldman 937.215 940.739 un me flegt a bisl, eh, ye. un s'iz geven, eh, Lee Shuldman 940.739 943.79 me fleg zikh makhn a bisl freylekh oykhet, ye. Lee Shuldman 943.83 944.499 ye. Lee Shuldman 944.893 946.49 ye. vi zogt men dos? Lee Shuldman 947.509 948.313 eh, me... Lee Shuldman 949.551 959.484 m- ehm, efsher dos hot undz untergehaltn. m'hot zikh a bisl ge- gemakht a bisl lebediker, freylekh a bisl. vos ho- m'hot dokh alts eyns gornit gekent ton. Lee Shuldman 959.777 960.749 hot men... Mark David 959.794 963.011 hot ir a mol gemakht, uh, kleyne forshtelungen? Lee Shuldman 962.545 970.962 eh, ye. s'iz geven a mol, ye, ober nit, uh, nit tsu, eh, nit tsu fil, vayle, spn, m'hot moyre gehat, ershtns, tomer, eh, zet, uh, ye. Lee Shuldman 970.962 974.249 ober, eh, m'hot gemakht a bisl zikh freylekh. Mark David 973.345 977.271 dos hot men ge- gedarft ton, uh, shtilerheyt, geheym? Lee Shuldman 975.538 984.779 al- spn, <a-> avade! vos heyst, s'iz <, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh,> vos, aza, bay, bay di daytshn host epes geto- ...? NO. avade! host nit gekent, ye. Lee Shuldman 985.815 990.891 er volt undz aroysgetribn tsu der arbet nokh a mol, az er volt gezen az mir zaynen, eh, azoy freylekh. Lee Shuldman 990.891 991.563 ye. Mark David 992.008 999.579 iz, uh, ir't gezogt az es z- zaynen geven andere min, uh, gefangene? vos zaynen geven di andere minim gefangene? Lee Shuldman 999.366 1001.666 eh, dos iz geven gefangene, Lee Shuldman 1001.666 1004.973 iz geven rusn, ober zey zaynen nit geven mit undz in lager. Lee Shuldman 1004.973 1008.153 ikh hob zey gezen in andere lagern gefangene. Lee Shuldman 1008.153 1009.564 az mir zaynen gegangen, Lee Shuldman 1009.564 1016.381 ven m'<hot> gegangen fun eyn lager <in ts-> tsveytn, iz men durkhgegangen lagern vu s'iz geven rusishe gefangene, hot men gezen Lee Shuldman 1016.381 1019.728 vi di lebers zaynen aroysgeshnitn fun di toyte. Lee Shuldman 1020.713 1022.901 hunger brengt noyt. Lee Shuldman 1022.923 1030.725 hot men ar- eh, leber hot men gegesn, vayl s'iz a veykhe zakh un m'hot dos efsher oyf a fayer aroyfgeleygt. hot men gezen, az s'iz geven rusishe lagern. Lee Shuldman 1030.725 1034.29 rusishe gefangene iz geven PLE- eh, a sakh oykhet, ye. Lee Shuldman 1034.297 1036.012 zey hobn di rusishe... Mark David 1035.107 1039.252 vi azoy hot ir gemeynt, uh, far vos hot ir gemeynt az m'hot dos gegesn? Lee Shuldman 1039.326 1041.111 vayle me hot gegesn! Lee Shuldman 1041.111 1043.086 m'hot gevust az m'hot gegesn, ye. Lee Shuldman 1043.086 1050.731 vayle s'iz <nit> geven nit eyner vos m'hot aroysgeshnitn. dan hot men dokh nokh nit genumen... dos iz nit haynt; haynt volt men dos genumen far meditsi- un dan hot men... Lee Shuldman 1050.731 1054.001 un di, u- un zey zaynen geven azoy hungerik un azoy, Lee Shuldman 1054.294 1057.21 eh, az me hot dos geton. me hot dos... Mark David 1055.762 1058.048 me- mer-veyniker ale hobn dos gevust? Lee Shuldman 1057.21 1058.263 ha? Mark David 1058.048 1059.333 ale hobn dos gevust? Lee Shuldman 1059.61 1062.27 eh, mir zaynen durkh un m'hot gevust az dos hot, ye. Mark David 1061.702 1062.236 <hm>. Lee Shuldman 1062.377 1065.411 ikh hob aleyn gezen vi s'iz geshtanen, eh, Lee Shuldman 1065.411 1070.912 eh, ikh hob gesheylt kartofl a mol in, b- lebn a daytshishe kikh, iz geshtanen in droysn Lee Shuldman 1070.912 1080.363 di, eh, azoyne B- BARRELS mit, eh, mit di, alts vos s'iz geblibn bay di daytshn fun vos zey, di mist mitn esn vos s'iz geblibn, Lee Shuldman 1080.363 1081.62 hobn zey arayngegosn. Lee Shuldman 1081.62 1086.96 un s'iz geshtanen a tog tsvey bizkl m'hot dos avekgefirt in GARBAGE ober far beheymes. Lee Shuldman 1086.96 1089.666 iz dos geven zoyer un s'hot zikh azoy ge<b-> Lee Shuldman 1089.666 1090.979 -kokht, gekokht. Lee Shuldman 1090.979 1093.337 m'hot gezen, spn, a sakh mener, Lee Shuldman 1093.393 1099.903 un afile di rusn hobn dortn gearbet nit vayt, flegn kumen, gebn a khap mitn hant un zikh, un... un dos iz geven Lee Shuldman 1099.903 1106.808 zoyer vi esik efsher, un s'iz geven azoy farPOISONt<e> shoyn, ober der hunger brekht ayzn. Lee Shuldman 1106.808 1108.611 az m'iz hungerik, kukt men nit, Lee Shuldman 1108.611 1114.025 ken men, eh, khapn vos s'iz, eh, vos s'iz do: a roye kartofl, a opge- me kukt nit. Lee Shuldman 1114.025 1114.683 ye. Mark David 1114.453 1118.628 ven UNK aykh, ven ir zayt, uh, farbaygegangen, uh, Mark David 1118.628 1122.058 hot men a bisl geredt mit di gefangene rusishe soldatn? Lee Shuldman 1120.663 1125.587 NO, zey zaynen shoyn geven aroys. zey zaynen shoyn oykh geven, m'hot zey, eh, m'hot shoyn d-... Mark David 1124.241 1126.361 oh, ir hot nor gezen di toyte? Lee Shuldman 1125.587 1130.16 ih, di toyte, ye, un <UNK>n, ye. es iz, zey hot men shoyn oykhet aroysgefirt. Lee Shuldman 1130.16 1132.869 in eyn lager hob ikh gezen gefangene. Lee Shuldman 1132.869 1137.603 dos iz geven nokh ven ikh bin geven in geto, iz men aroys in a kleyne shtetl arbetn. Lee Shuldman 1137.603 1143.101 dortn hob ikh gezen gefangene. hot men zey oykhet, me hot zey gehakt un geyo-... me zogt Lee Shuldman 1143.276 1148.18 az, "vi kumt, az m'hot zikh gelozn firn vi di beheymes tsum...?" eh, dos o. Lee Shuldman 1148.288 1158.806 az "s'iz gegangen a por daytshn un m'iz nit antlofn," dos. ershtns zaynen di mentshn geven oysgematert un derniderikt un hungerik, az ir hot nit gehat dem mut, dem koyekh. Lee Shuldman 1158.806 1165.494 az dortn zaynen geshtanen, hob ikh gezen rusn, vos zaynen geven gezunte, ven zey zaynen geven, rusn, eh, in di militer, Lee Shuldman 1165.618 1168.785 un m'hot zey geharget un zey hobn gehorevet azoy, Lee Shuldman 1168.785 1173.965 un s'hot oykh keyner nit gemakht keyn oyfshtand. zet ir dokh, vi der mentsh vert dershlogn Lee Shuldman 1173.965 1180.799 un farhungert un, un derniderikt, az er hot nit dem koyekh tsu ag- eh, tsu makhn a oyfshtand. Lee Shuldman 1181.363 1185.829 zaynen geven groyse, gezunte mener un zey hobn oykh nit gekent gornit, ye. Lee Shuldman 1185.852 1187.654 ikh her vifl mol me zogt, Lee Shuldman 1187.654 1191.937 "far vos hot men nit antlofn? un far vos hot men nit gemakht a vidershtand?" Lee Shuldman 1191.977 1196.848 me hot gemakht in Varshever geto. me hot in Vilne oykh antlofn in partizanke. Lee Shuldman 1196.888 1200.358 ye. m'hot take oyfgehangen efsher zeks-zibn man. Lee Shuldman 1201.208 1206.602 un ale fun geto hobn gedarft geyn zen vi m'hot oyfgehangen zibn yunge BOYes. Lee Shuldman 1206.608 1209.971 dakht zikh, vayl<e s'iz> antlofn in partizanke, hobn zey Lee Shuldman 1209.971 1211.799 gevelt opshrekn. Mark David 1211.535 1212.896 ven iz dos geven? Lee Shuldman 1212.463 1216.426 dos iz geven in geto nokh. in, eh, i- in tsvey, in geto. Mark David 1214.083 1215.832 in tsvey un fertsik? Lee Shuldman 1216.426 1221.756 ale hobn gedarft geyn zen, vi s'zaynen gehangen, uh, zeks yunge BOYes. Mark David 1221.137 1223.19 yidishe bokherim? Lee Shuldman 1221.981 1224.323 yid- nu, in geto iz dokh alts, ye. Lee Shuldman 1224.323 1231.745 hobn zey oyfgehangen; ikh hob aleyn gezen, dos iz geven dortn a mol a yatke. zaynen zey gez- gehangen azoy vi s'flegt hengen di fleysh. Lee Shuldman 1231.819 1234.267 in geto, oyf Yatkever gas. Lee Shuldman 1234.267 1234.601 ye. Mark David 1234.384 1236.175 <ay-> oyf Yatkever gas? Lee Shuldman 1234.695 1235.327 in <g->... Lee Shuldman 1235.327 1237.061 ye. vayl dos iz Mark David 1236.175 1240.706 un, uh, m'hot geheysn, ale mentshn zoln kumen, darfn kumen zen? Lee Shuldman 1238.232 1242.158 <ih, m-> ye. ye. zey hobn gevelt az me zol ale geyn zen. Lee Shuldman 1242.168 1242.428 ye. Lee Shuldman 1242.428 1246.646 UNK undz <op>shrekn, tomer m'vet nit ton dos vos di daytshn viln, ye. Lee Shuldman 1247.091 1247.895 mhm. Lee Shuldman 1248.34 1249.144 ye. Lee Shuldman 1250.23 1256.214 tsk, ikh khap arayn azoy, fun geto un fun danet, ikh, eh, dermon zikh, eh, shtiklekh, ye, vos s'iz geven, ye. Mark David 1250.331 1251.422 eh, Mark David 1255.866 1260.062 <hm>, tsi hot ir gekent mentshn vos hobn gearbet, uh, vos zaynen geven, Mark David 1260.422 1262.896 vos zaynen antlofn tsu di partizaner? Lee Shuldman 1261.992 1264.866 oh, ye. kh'hob gehat, eh, a, a, a, Lee Shuldman 1264.866 1269.849 mayne a khaverte, vos zi voynt in <CI-> in, eh, MINNESOTA, ir bruder iz antlofn. Lee Shuldman 1269.923 1273.005 ye. er iz nakher, nokh di krig, iz er gekumen, Lee Shuldman 1273.011 1278.838 take durkhgeshosn di hant, vayle, fun di partizanke, ober ye, ikh veys. un az ikh bin geven Lee Shuldman 1278.838 1281.622 fun geto in a kleynem lager in <Svintsyan>, Lee Shuldman 1281.622 1286.285 zaynen antlofn oykh a sakh yinglekh mit meydlekh in di velder dortn, ye. Lee Shuldman 1286.882 1288.213 kh'hob geken<t>... Mark David 1286.967 1289.762 ir hot a mol getrakht tsu, tsum antloyfn? Lee Shuldman 1289.785 1290.572 NO. Lee Shuldman 1290.73 1291.888 kh'<vel> nit zogn... Lee Shuldman 1291.928 1292.631 NO. Lee Shuldman 1293.396 1294.436 ikh hob m- eh... Lee Shuldman 1294.948 1296.967 <spn>, ikh hob moyre, efsher... ikh veys nit. Lee Shuldman 1297.21 1299.974 ikh bin nit geven a der- dershrok- oder, NO. Lee Shuldman 1299.974 1300.713 ikh ho- eh... Lee Shuldman 1301.007 1303.889 kh'vey- ikh hob nit gevust, ye. zey hobn gevust dortn Lee Shuldman 1303.889 1305.033 fu- uh, d- eh, Lee Shuldman 1305.225 1307.277 <f- e-> ershtns zaynen zey, uh, Lee Shuldman 1307.487 1312.832 efsher hobn zey ge<h- e-> eltere geven shoyn fun mir, un zey hobn gehat efsher mer, eh, f- hm... Mark David 1312.92 1314.401 kontaktn? Lee Shuldman 1313.612 1316.689 MAYBE. ye, ye. zey hobn geha- avade! Lee Shuldman 1316.689 1319.31 az do hot men oyfgehangen di mener, Lee Shuldman 1319.991 1324.189 hot men oyfgehangen vayle m'iz avek in partizanke, ye. Lee Shuldman 1324.189 1329.89 ober <s'>zaynen avek in par- un di goyim hobn oykhet oysgegebn. afile in di velder, az s'iz geven goyim, Lee Shuldman 1329.964 1332.961 hobn zey oysgegebn az s'iz geven yidishe partizaner. Lee Shuldman 1332.962 1333.683 ye. Mark David 1333.643 1340.961 uh, ir hot gezogt, ir hot dermont dem Varshever geto oyfshtand. hot ir, uh, in der tsayt gehert funem oyfshtand, tsi nor nokh der milkhome? Lee Shuldman 1339.296 1342.383 NO. NO. NO. nokh di milkhome. Lee Shuldman 1342.383 1347.643 s'iz nit geven keyn nay- eh, m'hot gehert a mol fun moyl tsu m- ober m'hot nit geher- NO, NO. Lee Shuldman 1347.649 1348.25 NO. Lee Shuldman 1348.493 1351.069 dos iz shoyn nokh di milkhome, hot men gehert, ye. Lee Shuldman 1351.183 1351.778 ye. Mark David 1351.322 1352.792 hot men gehert Mark David 1352.792 1358.932 klangen oder nayes, uh, fun der lage fun der milkhome, vi se geyt, ver halt baym gevinen? Lee Shuldman 1359.124 1362.813 az m'iz geven in geto hot men gemeynt az der rus Lee Shuldman 1363.056 1367.14 kum- uh, iz azoy shtark az er vet bald, uh, farnemen, nor... Lee Shuldman 1367.528 1369.043 m'hot nit ge- NO. Lee Shuldman 1369.043 1369.617 NO. Lee Shuldman 1369.617 1376.415 me hot gehoft az in a kurtse tsayt vet men vern bafrayt, nor s'hot genumen fir yor biz F- FORTY-FIVE, ye. Lee Shuldman 1376.607 1378.379 n<or> me, un m'hot nit, Lee Shuldman 1378.379 1383.249 m'hot nit gehert. mir hobn nit gehat keyn CONNECTION, keyn RADIOs, mir hobn nit gehat, NO. Lee Shuldman 1383.289 1384.011 NO. Lee Shuldman 1384.167 1384.853 ye. Mark David 1385.702 1386.978 iz, uhm, Mark David 1387.255 1389.729 tsk, oykh vegn di, di lagern: Mark David 1389.972 1391.012 ehm, Mark David 1392.655 1398.492 tsk, hot men gehat, volt ir gezogt, genug tsum esn, tsi iz men geshto- <uhm>...? Lee Shuldman 1396.08 1400.0 NO! NO! vosere genug tsum esn? Lee Shuldman 1400.0 1404.502 NO! in andere lagern iz men geshtorbn far hunger! <s->... Mark David 1403.337 1407.043 ikh meyn in, in di dray: Vayvere, AUVERE un Kivyoli? Lee Shuldman 1405.024 1408.561 in di dray lagern hobn mir gehat tsum esn. Mark David 1408.905 1410.181 yo, dos meyn ikh. Lee Shuldman 1409.209 1411.97 tsum esn, <az s'>zol zikh haltn di neshome. Mark David 1411.2 1415.159 vos, vos hot men aykh gegebn tsum esn? kent ir bashraybn? Lee Shuldman 1413.722 1418.079 i- in der fri, LET'S SEE, iz geven a bisl, eh, Lee Shuldman 1418.271 1423.353 eh, tey, vaser, kave, vos s'zol nit zayn, mit a shtikl broyt, Lee Shuldman 1423.353 1425.47 un bay tog a, a zup, Lee Shuldman 1425.561 1427.034 un bay nakht... Lee Shuldman 1427.198 1434.944 s'iz kam tsum esn, kam tsum esn, ober di neshome hot men gekent derhaltn. fun di lagern hot men nokh gekent di neshome derhaltn, ye. Lee Shuldman 1434.944 1436.541 m'hot nokh gekent derhaltn, ye. Lee Shuldman 1437.24 1437.912 ye. Mark David 1440.462 1441.671 un... Lee Shuldman 1443.786 1445.757 hungerik iz men geven ale mol. Lee Shuldman 1445.757 1447.239 hungerik, ye. Lee Shuldman 1447.482 1450.175 ober, ah, di neshome hot zikh derhaltn. Lee Shuldman 1450.57 1451.222 ye. Lee Shuldman 1451.953 1453.314 di shpete- ye? Mark David 1453.303 1459.126 vos nokh hot, eh, hot ir geton kedey zikh ts- oyftsuhaltn gaystik? Lee Shuldman 1460.896 1465.869 he, he, he, m'hot zikh, he, nit untergegebn. me hot gehoft, Lee Shuldman 1465.993 1467.424 un m'hot gekemft, Lee Shuldman 1467.424 1475.133 un az m'hot gezen az s'loyfn di eropl<e>nen, hot men gedankt got az zey loyfn tsu bombardirn Daytshland. dos aleyn hot undz gemakht Lee Shuldman 1475.19 1476.115 lebedik. Lee Shuldman 1476.115 1478.452 az m'iz geven in Hamburg, <m'iz> geshtanen, Lee Shuldman 1478.452 1480.039 m'hot gehert an alarem. Lee Shuldman 1480.039 1486.912 di daytshn zaynen tselofn in di bunkers. mir zaynen geshtanen in droysn, dem tog vos m'hot nit gearbet, LET'S S<EE, es> iz geven a zuntik, efsher. Lee Shuldman 1487.121 1493.654 un mir hobn gehoybn di hent un geb- un gedankt un geb- gebetn got, un gevuntshn zey di beste. Lee Shuldman 1493.654 1499.096 mir hobn nit moyre gehat, tomer es falt a bombe. vos iz undz vikhtik ts- shtarbn? beser fun zey eyder fun daytsh. Lee Shuldman 1499.389 1503.124 eh, mir hobn zikh gefreyt. oder m'iz geven bahaltn, Lee Shuldman 1503.124 1505.309 <ve- i> ven m'hot gearbet in fabrik, Lee Shuldman 1505.309 1510.621 un, eh, s'iz gevorn oykh an alarem. dortn geven a gever-fabrik, hobn mir gearbet in Hamburg. Lee Shuldman 1511.016 1515.752 hot men, eh, di daytshn zaynen gelofn vi farsamte! zey hobn dokh moyre gehat far z-... Lee Shuldman 1515.752 1520.151 undz hot nit geart; m'iz arop in BASEMENT. dortn in keler iz geven aza... Lee Shuldman 1520.151 1523.953 in fabrik zaynen di daytshn arop, mir oykhet, di zelbe keler. Lee Shuldman 1524.01 1528.687 <mi- un z-> d<er> lomp hot gevizn, az s'iz royt, az s'iz royt, iz nokh alts bombardirung. Lee Shuldman 1528.724 1531.293 hobn mir nor gebetn, s'zol zayn royt, royt, royt. Lee Shuldman 1531.468 1539.769 az s'hot genumen vayzn blo dortn, hot men shoyn gevust az s'iz oyfgehert, hot men gedarft aroysgeyn. undz hot nit geart! mir zaynen geven tsufridn az m'hot gebombardirt; Lee Shuldman 1539.769 1541.269 vos mer hobn mir gebetn. Lee Shuldman 1541.269 1541.992 ye. Lee Shuldman 1543.652 1544.894 ye, ye. Mark David 1551.617 1555.318 gut. iz, uh, itster iz shoyn tsayt ibertsubaytn di tashme. Lee Shuldman 1554.3 1557.264 ye. ALRIGHT. spn. Mark David 1555.318 1557.959 <nemen, lomir> nemen an opru. a dank. Lee Shuldman 1557.405 1558.367 ye.