Max Wald 25.927 28.469 AUGUST THE FOURTH, NINETEEN NINETY SEVEN Max Wald 28.576 30.174 MORDECHAI RAZ Max Wald 30.314 31.895 RADZIMINSKI Max Wald 32.12 33.796 INTERVIEWER IS MAX WALD Max Wald 33.807 35.349 IN MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA Max Wald 35.349 37.582 LANGUAGE WILL BE IN ENGLISH AND YIDDISH Mordechai Raz 38.74 40.43 AND MAKE A PICTURE TOGETHER Max Wald 42.295 43.93 EH MY NAME IS MAX WALD Max Wald 43.93 46.914 TODAY IS AUGUST THE FOURTH NINETEEN NINETY SEVEN Max Wald 46.987 51.067 WE'RE INTERVIEWING MORDECHAI RAZ IN MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA Mordechai Raz 51.097 51.937 Radziminski Max Wald 51.967 53.267 RADZMINSKI. Mordechai Raz 62.545 64.464 ikh vel di gantse tsayt kukn oyf dir Max Wald 69.252 71.082 CAN YOU TELL ME YOUR NAME, PLEASE? Mordechai Raz 71.08 75.449 MORDECHAI SHMUEL RAZ, RADZIMINSKI, fun Radzimin. Mordechai Raz 75.691 76.968 Sadovne. Max Wald 77.45 78.59 IS THAT WHERE YOU WERE BORN? Mordechai Raz 78.658 80.119 ikh bin geborn in SADOWNE. Max Wald 80.112 81.175 WHERE WAS SADOVNE? Mordechai Raz 81.179 82.999 SADOWNE iz lebn Mordechai Raz 83.184 86.165 Treblinke, zeks kilometer fun Treblinke. Max Wald 86.45 87.489 AND WHAT YEAR WERE YOU BORN? Mordechai Raz 87.288 90.89 tsvontsik kilometer fun Ostrov Mazovietsk, hundert fuftsik kilometer fun Varshe. Max Wald 91.25 92.679 WHAT YEAR WHERE YOU BORN? Mordechai Raz 92.802 94.147 in velkhn yor? Max Wald 93.646 94.585 in velkhn yor. Mordechai Raz 94.237 98.619 in ve- in, geboyrn in finef un draysikstn yor, nayntsn finef un draysik. Max Wald 100.087 102.499 un dayn, un dayn tate, YOUR FATHER Mordechai Raz 102.486 105.639 in velkhe- spn Khaim Yitskhok. Max Wald 102.657 103.641 WHAT WAS HIS NAME? Mordechai Raz 105.762 107.326 ben Reb Yankev. Max Wald 107.365 108.845 AND WHERE WAS HE BORN? Mordechai Raz 108.53 114.025 er iz geboyrn, eh, dakht zikh mir in Ostrov Mazovietsk, ober ikh veys nisht. efsher in Sadovne. Mordechai Raz 114.099 115.494 oykhet in Sadovne. Max Wald 115.33 116.658 DO YOU KNOW WHAT YEAR? Mordechai Raz 116.647 120.289 in YEAR, i- ikh gedenk ikh nisht, eh mistome Mordechai Raz 120.289 123.644 in a tsener oder a tsvelefer. ikh gedenk nisht pinktlekh. Max Wald 123.885 124.844 AND YOUR MOTHER? Mordechai Raz 125.0 128.521 THE MOTHER IS iz geboyrn in Sa- oykhet in Sadovne. Max Wald 128.257 129.534 WHAT WAS HER NAME? Mordechai Raz 129.32 131.238 E- E- Sheyne Ester. Mordechai Raz 131.395 132.959 m'hot geruft zi Ester. Mordechai Raz 133.117 136.368 un ir, ir MAIDEN NAME iz Karp. Max Wald 137.178 139.181 AND DO YOU KNOW WHERE SHE WAS BORN? Mordechai Raz 139.63 143.455 dakht zikh mir az zi iz geboyrn in SADOWNE, vu ikh bin geboyrn. Max Wald 144.879 145.5 AND Max Wald 145.5 147.708 BROTHERS AND SISTERS, YOU HAD BROTHERS? Mordechai Raz 147.258 150.256 yo, BROTHERS. ale BROTHERS zenen geborn in SADOWNE. Max Wald 150.65 153.175 DO YOU KNOW THEIR NAMES AND WHAT YEAR THEY WERE BORN? Mordechai Raz 152.422 154.779 der eltster iz, der eltster Mordechai Raz 154.852 155.727 heyst Mordechai Raz 155.727 158.84 Ruvn Yehude, Ruvn Leybl. Mordechai Raz 158.84 161.107 er iz geboyrn in dray un draysikstn yor. Mordechai Raz 161.956 162.727 un Mordechai Raz 162.985 167.522 spn er iz far mir; s'iz geven nokh a elt- s'iz do nokh a elterer Mordechai Raz 167.525 171.046 vos er iz geboyrn in draysikstn yor dakht zikh tsi UNK Mordechai Raz 171.136 174.894 vos er iz eh antlofn fun di milkhome un keyn Erets Yisroel. Mordechai Raz 175.102 177.982 tsk mayn feter hot im aribergenumen keyn Erets Yisroel. Max Wald 177.262 178.572 WHAT WAS HIS NAME? Mordechai Raz 178.308 181.39 e- er heyst, er heyst oyfn feter's nomen, Karp. Max Wald 181.615 182.251 YEAH Mordechai Raz 182.054 184.428 der feter mayner, mayn ta- mame's bruder Mordechai Raz 184.94 186.309 hot geheysn Karp. Max Wald 185.79 187.246 WHAT WAS HIS FIRST NAME? Mordechai Raz 187.404 188.776 Khaim Tsvi. Max Wald 188.77 190.014 AND WHAT YEAR WAS HE BORN? Mordechai Raz 189.743 190.556 Tsvi, Tsvi. Max Wald 190.553 191.234 YEAH. Mordechai Raz 191.251 193.13 un er iz geboyrn gevorn Mordechai Raz 193.13 195.549 in, in, dakht zikh mir in draysikstn yor. Mordechai Raz 195.605 198.13 ober i- in akht un tsvontsik, gedenk shoyn nisht. Max Wald 198.794 200.915 AND AFTER REUBEN WHO CAME NEXT? Mordechai Raz 200.313 201.91 AFTER REUBEN CAME ikh. Max Wald 201.46 202.214 YEAH? Max Wald 202.27 203.323 AND THEN? Mordechai Raz 202.405 204.864 un nokh dem kumt Yisroel Meyer. Mordechai Raz 205.004 209.994 vos m'hot im geharget in, in Bruklin, hobn di, di shvartse hobn im geharget. Max Wald 209.932 211.428 WHAT YEAR WAS HE BORN? Mordechai Raz 211.265 215.326 er iz geboyrn in zeks un draysikstn, zeks un draysik, zibn un draysik. Max Wald 215.836 216.674 AND NEXT? Mordechai Raz 216.677 218.094 AND NEXT kumt Mordechai Raz 218.454 220.692 ah, eh, Avrom Yosef. Max Wald 220.951 222.38 AND WHAT YEAR WAS HE BORN? Mordechai Raz 222.25 224.981 er iz geboyrn gevorn in Mordechai Raz 224.981 226.902 in akht un draysikstn yor. Max Wald 227.51 228.656 AND AFTER THAT? Mordechai Raz 228.663 232.28 kumt un, kumt eyner iz geboyrn gevorn in nayn un draysikstn yor dakht, eh Mordechai Raz 232.28 233.652 iz Menakhem. Max Wald 233.202 234.183 Menakhem. Mordechai Raz 233.827 235.171 yo. Max Wald 234.183 235.586 I SEE. Mordechai Raz 235.582 237.719 shpeter iz Menakhem geshtorbn in Rusland. Max Wald 237.657 238.464 in Rusland. Max Wald 238.484 240.217 WHAT YEAR, DO YOU REMEMBER? Mordechai Raz 239.547 242.545 er iz gebo- geshtorbn in eyn un fertsikstn yor. Max Wald 242.732 243.551 CAN YOU Max Wald 243.551 246.398 TELL ME A LITTLE ABOUT SADOWNE, WHAT SIZE OF THE Max Wald 246.398 247.794 OF TOWN IT WAS Max Wald 248.06 249.215 OR SHTETL OR? Mordechai Raz 248.854 251.692 a shtetl fun eh, s'hot farmogt Mordechai Raz 252.018 253.987 eh eyn gas Mordechai Raz 254.718 256.096 un eyn shul Mordechai Raz 257.047 258.408 un eyn RABBI Mordechai Raz 258.852 260.23 un eyn shoykhet Mordechai Raz 261.012 264.469 un ales ale zenen gevezn dortn religyezne Mordechai Raz 264.469 266.137 s'iz nisht gevezn aza zakh a Mordechai Raz 266.137 270.469 a eyner nisht keyn religyezer. ale yidn, yidn zenen gevezn religyez. Max Wald 270.495 272.367 AND HOW MANY JEWS WERE THERE? Mordechai Raz 272.335 274.321 vifl yidn hobn dort gevoynt? Max Wald 273.787 274.524 YEAH Mordechai Raz 274.597 277.342 kh'ken nisht, ken nisht visn. a por hundert yidn. Max Wald 277.823 280.042 AND se s'iz geven n- Mordechai Raz 279.436 282.584 s'iz do in Amerike iz do Sa- Sadovner, Sadovner Mordechai Raz 282.584 283.271 shul Max Wald 283.152 283.822 YEAH Mordechai Raz 283.658 286.199 Sadovner ehm yeshive Mordechai Raz 286.199 287.365 oyf dem nomen Mordechai Raz 287.365 288.972 un der RABBI Mordechai Raz 288.972 291.77 iz, iz geshtorbn far tsvey yor tsurik. Mordechai Raz 291.995 293.992 i- der, der Sadovner rov. Mordechai Raz 293.992 296.14 ah ehm, Yisroel Sekula. Max Wald 297.614 298.734 CAN YOU TELL ME Max Wald 298.734 299.535 WERE THERE Max Wald 299.538 301.557 NON-JEWISH PEOPLE IN SADOWNE? Mordechai Raz 301.124 303.127 NON-JEWISH PEOPLE veys ikh nisht. Max Wald 303.2 304.527 YOU DON'T REMEMBER? Mordechai Raz 304.145 304.949 neyn. Mordechai Raz 305.208 307.835 mir hobn nisht gehat tsu ton <mitn> goyim, nor mit yidn. Max Wald 308.488 309.932 SO YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT Max Wald 309.932 313.258 WHAT SORT OF, EH, BUSINESS WAS DONE IN SADOWNE, WHAT Mordechai Raz 313.292 314.917 eh mir hobn gehat BUSINESS Max Wald 314.523 315.294 YEAH. Mordechai Raz 314.917 318.309 un m- mir hobn gehat FABRICS, tekstil. Max Wald 317.78 318.449 YEAH. Mordechai Raz 318.309 320.356 mi- un, un mir hobn Mordechai Raz 321.104 324.137 i- di, di DEUTSCHEN hobn aroysgetrogn tsen TRUCKS Mordechai Raz 324.137 328.386 mit, mit skhoyre fun undzer gesheft; mir hobn bagrobn a sakh Mordechai Raz 328.386 332.349 beshas Hitler iz arayngekumen hobn mir m- mir hobn gemakht a groysn grub Mordechai Raz 332.377 334.669 m'hot arayngeleygt dortn zeyer a sakh skhoyre. Mordechai Raz 334.705 338.896 shpeter hot d- d- der shokhn, der goy, Zasloni, a, a polyak Mordechai Raz 338.896 340.128 hot gemasert Mordechai Raz 340.156 342.094 far di, far, far di DEUTSCHEN Mordechai Raz 342.13 344.53 iz gekumen di DEUTSCHEN mit TRUCKS Max Wald 343.852 346.204 SO s'iz geven goyim in, in Sadovne? Mordechai Raz 345.635 346.983 avade geven goyim. Max Wald 346.822 348.537 vifl se- goyim iz geven? Mordechai Raz 347.834 351.019 vifl veys ikh nisht, nor s'iz geven a shokhn a goy a antisemit Mordechai Raz 351.019 356.285 vos hot g- ayngevorfn shteyner in suke arayn un sh- shtendik gemakht tsores. Zasloni hot er geheysn. Mordechai Raz 356.285 360.074 un der Zasloni hot gemasert az er hot, mir hobn bagrobn di skhoyre. Mordechai Raz 360.074 364.096 iz gekumen di DEUTSCHEN un avekgefirt di gantse skhoyre mit tsen TRUCKS. Mordechai Raz 364.574 365.885 ales tsugenumen. Mordechai Raz 366.667 369.237 un mir hobn geshtanen shoyn tsum shisn oykhet. Mordechai Raz 369.265 373.397 ikh mit mayn yingern bruder Avrom Yosef mit mayn tatn Mordechai Raz 373.397 375.419 hobn zey gesh-, zey hobn gevolt shisn. Max Wald 375.189 375.836 bald. Max Wald 375.836 378.114 du, du, du loyfst a bisl tsu gikh far mir. Max Wald 378.114 379.868 ikh vir nor visn dervayle Max Wald 379.868 381.908 vos iz geven in shtet- Max Wald 381.908 384.07 in shtot, eh, far di milkhome Max Wald 384.07 387.108 vos iz geven der lebn, vos host geton dortn Mordechai Raz 386.782 388.365 nu, a yidish lebn. Max Wald 387.153 388.244 zog mir Mordechai Raz 388.368 391.234 m- mir hobn gehat di, di tekstil gesheft. Mordechai Raz 391.254 393.56 mir zenen gevezn di raykhste fun di shtot. Mordechai Raz 393.65 397.528 eh tsi i- un es ken zayn az mir hobn gehat gelt in Shveyts. Mordechai Raz 397.531 399.781 ikh veys nisht; me ken nisht visn. Mordechai Raz 399.781 406.351 iz, u- un-, un, mayn, mayn mame's tate iz oykh geven a raykher, hot oykh gehat tekstil Max Wald 402.289 403.007 DID YOU F- Mordechai Raz 406.812 407.836 Karp. Mordechai Raz 408.078 410.553 Mordkhe, M- Moyshe Sholem Karp. Mordechai Raz 410.913 411.835 ikh veys Max Wald 410.98 413.793 WHERE DID THEY LIVE, DID THEY LIVE IN SADOWNE? Mordechai Raz 412.87 414.285 oykhet in SADOWNE. Mordechai Raz 414.285 417.298 un, un, un im hobn zey geshosn di polyakn Mordechai Raz 417.298 418.99 in, i-, oyfn gas. Mordechai Raz 419.35 421.842 eyder nokh m'hot avekgefirt keyn Treblinke Mordechai Raz 421.932 423.243 hot men im geshosn. Max Wald 425.189 430.432 K- DID YOUR T- FATHER TRAVEL MUCH OUT OF SADOWNE, DO YOU REMEMBER, TO DO, TO DO Mordechai Raz 428.952 432.073 er, er TRAVELt keyn Varshe, keseyder, di gantse tsayt. Mordechai Raz 432.073 434.877 gebrengt skhoyre fun Varshe un farkoyft. Max Wald 435.043 436.59 AND WHO DID HE SELL TO? Mordechai Raz 437.019 442.227 geSELLt far di gantse arum un arum, ale derfer arum un arum vos zenen gekumen koyfn bay undz skhoyre. Max Wald 442.554 445.299 SO nisht nor in Sadovne, BUT arum un arum. Mordechai Raz 443.954 449.035 arum un arum yo, in Brok, in Stok, in Malkin, in in in Mordechai Raz 449.035 453.097 in Treblinke umedum zenen gekumen koyfn bay undz skhoyre. Max Wald 454.349 460.334 SO WHAT WAS THE MAIN INDUSTRY IN, IN MAIN EH BUSINESS IN IN IN EH IN EH in dem shtetl? Mordechai Raz 459.834 463.316 in dem shtetl iz farshidene BUSINESSES. s'iz gevezn Mordechai Raz 463.316 467.062 eh HARDWARE SHOPS, s'iz gevezn farshidene Mordechai Raz 467.09 472.737 BUSINESS- s'iz geven az, goyim oykhet a sakh, nor ikh gedenk nisht keyn goyim vayl ikh hob geven a kleyn kind Mordechai Raz 472.912 477.175 a BUSINESS ikh ken gedenken, ober mi- ikh hob gelernt in dortn a kheyder, a talmed toyre. Max Wald 476.928 477.58 YEAH. Max Wald 478.345 482.66 AND nor nor host gelernt fun RELIGIOUSe z- zakhn, nisht fun eh Mordechai Raz 481.788 483.321 yo, nor Max Wald 483.464 483.892 eh Mordechai Raz 484.15 489.025 n- n- nor RELIGIOUSe zakhn. m'hot dortn gelernt oykhet eh SECULAR zakhn oykhet. Mordechai Raz 489.025 491.3 m- ales hot men gelernt dort in der talmed toyre. Max Wald 491.305 492.755 alts in talmed toyre. Mordechai Raz 491.947 493.072 avade. Max Wald 494.527 498.961 gedenkstu az s'iz geven a, a yidishe nay- NEWSPAPER dortn a mol? Mordechai Raz 498.224 499.974 a yidishe NEWSPAPER Mordechai Raz 500.131 505.441 i- ken zayn s'iz, iz gevezn. ikh gedenk nisht. ikh, ikh hob nisht gekent gedenken; ven zol ikh gedenken? Max Wald 504.991 506.33 az bist geven tsu kleyn. Max Wald 506.33 510.267 ah, efsher host gehat a, a RADIO in shtub. Mordechai Raz 510.172 511.347 a radyo? Mordechai Raz 511.488 512.984 gedenk ikh nisht. Max Wald 511.775 512.394 gedenk? Max Wald 513.26 515.701 vi groys iz geven di shtub vu host gevoynt? Mordechai Raz 515.622 518.283 vi groys iz gevezn? mir hobn gehat a groyse shtub. Mordechai Raz 518.609 524.476 un s'iz gevezn tsvey shtok in di shtub. a groyse, groyse kamenitse; a groyse shtub. Max Wald 524.026 524.628 YEAH. Mordechai Raz 525.224 529.809 arayngenumen gest, orkhim iz gekumen, rabonim hobn geven bay undz. Max Wald 529.494 530.197 YEAH. Max Wald 530.54 533.326 s'iz geven vayt tsu dem shul fun dir? Mordechai Raz 533.276 534.47 eh, nisht vayt. Max Wald 535.552 537.099 SO, EHM Max Wald 537.34 540.628 yeder eyner hot gehat a, a, a, tsimer far zikh aleyn Max Wald 540.631 541.835 in dem hoyz? Mordechai Raz 542.071 543.857 vos heyst yeder eyner? di kinder? Max Wald 543.418 545.132 di kinder meyn ikh. Mordechai Raz 545.778 548.017 ikh veys nisht pinktlekh; ver gedenkt? Mordechai Raz 548.832 549.856 ver gedenkt? Max Wald 551.06 554.213 SO WAS THERE MUCH ANTISEMITISM? YOU TOLD ME HOW Mordechai Raz 553.996 555.999 antisemitizm yo, yo. Max Wald 554.213 556.946 di polyakn USED TO THROW, THROW STONES Mordechai Raz 556.645 559.726 yo, gevorfn sh- shteyner AT ME. Max Wald 556.946 557.554 AT YOU. Max Wald 557.554 558.884 THIS YOU REMEMBER. Mordechai Raz 559.726 563.512 ale mol hobn gezogt ZYDZI DO PALESTYNY, yidn, fort keyn Palestine Mordechai Raz 564.087 566.394 un mayn tate hot gevolt forn keyn Palestine. Mordechai Raz 566.872 570.933 nu, iz eh, d- der gerer rebe hot geheysn forn keyn Palestine. Max Wald 570.618 571.321 mh Mordechai Raz 571.614 575.973 un, vos den? s'iz gevezn dortn azelkhe, ma- mayn zeyde Mordechai Raz 575.973 578.318 hot tsugenumen dem pasport fun mayn tatn Mordechai Raz 578.318 582.099 un hot im nisht gelozt forn, hot im tsugenumen d- di bagazh, er hot shoyn gehaltn Mordechai Raz 582.099 583.859 er iz geven in di HACHSHARA. Max Wald 583.797 584.484 YEAH Mordechai Raz 584.034 587.825 un, un, un er iz gev- un tsugegreyt tsu forn keyn Erets Yisroel. Mordechai Raz 588.843 592.224 vayl er hot gevolt antloyfn; s'iz, s'iz, m'hot gezen se brent Mordechai Raz 592.224 592.989 dortn. Max Wald 592.539 593.225 YEAH Mordechai Raz 593.045 597.849 hot men, ober der zeyde hot im nisht gelozt avekforn, iz, iz er geblibn dortn. Max Wald 597.55 599.874 der zeyde hot gevoynt in SADOWNE oykhet? Mordechai Raz 599.069 602.101 der zeyde hot oykh gevoynt in SADOWNE. beyde zeydes. Max Wald 602.345 603.481 SO YOUR FAMILY Max Wald 603.481 605.392 WERE A LONG TIME IN SADOWNE OBVIOUSLY Mordechai Raz 604.334 605.695 yo, yo. Max Wald 606.747 609.324 EH SO YOU HAD A LOT OF RELATIVES IN SADWONE. Mordechai Raz 608.941 609.695 yo. Max Wald 610.291 611.956 DID YOU, AH Max Wald 612.046 617.457 WERE YOU OLD ENOUGH TO TRAVEL THEN OR NOT? DID YOU EVER GO OUT FROM SADOWNE BEFORE THE milkhome? Mordechai Raz 616.855 618.279 ikh aleyn? Max Wald 617.835 618.225 YEAH. Mordechai Raz 618.279 622.689 neyn. undz, undz, ikh ho- undz hobn geven in kheyder; me hot gelernt, di kleyne kinder. Max Wald 623.707 631.632 SO WHEN DID YOU REALIZE OR WHEN DID YOU NOTICE THAT SOMETHING WAS WRONG, THAT SOMETHING WAS AH WAS HAPPENING AH WITH THE AH THE DEUTSCHEN? Mordechai Raz 631.435 632.78 mit di DEUTSCHEN? Max Wald 631.807 635.103 DID YOU KNOW FROM STRAIGHT AWAY THAT THERE WAS TROUBLE? Max Wald 635.103 638.264 IN OTHER COUNTRIES? WERE YOU OLD ENOUGH TO KNOW THEN? Mordechai Raz 638.607 639.665 ehm Mordechai Raz 640.447 643.211 d- mayn tate flegt shtendik eh Mordechai Raz 643.248 648.428 zen dem tsaytung un er flegt tsu hern, hern dem radyo, hot er gevust az, az, az Max Wald 648.162 649.368 az gehat a RADIO. Mordechai Raz 649.266 652.082 mistome <hot men> geven a radyo, ikh gleyb azoy. Mordechai Raz 652.158 655.437 ikh veys nit <tsi> s'iz geven afile ELECTRICITY; s'iz geven efsher BATTERIES. Mordechai Raz 655.465 659.285 vayl s'iz keyn lektre nisht gevezn; letstns iz sh- geven shoyn lektre in dem, in shtetl. Max Wald 659.244 661.968 es iz geven vaser in, in dem shtub OR oyfn gas? Mordechai Raz 660.575 661.35 vaser i- Max Wald 661.968 663.273 avu hot geven di vaser? Mordechai Raz 662.695 664.725 dakht zikh i- dos gedenk ikh shoyn nisht. Max Wald 664.51 665.964 gedenk shoyn nisht. ALRIGHT Mordechai Raz 666.451 671.474 nor s'iz s'iz, vayzt oys az s'iz geven a radyo; ikh ken nisht gedenken, nor m'hot gehert Hitler redn Mordechai Raz 671.581 676.098 hot men gehert. mentshn hobn gezogt, m'hot geredt, Hitler hot geredt in radyo Mordechai Raz 676.542 682.403 un s'iz, iz, m'hot, m'hot gevust az, az me greyt zikh; di polyakn hobn zikh, hobn zikh gegreyt; zey hobn gevornt undz. Max Wald 682.229 682.882 hm. Mordechai Raz 682.55 685.734 zey hobn gezogt az Hitler vet kumen, vet men aykh alts tsunemen. Max Wald 685.385 686.088 mh Mordechai Raz 686.144 687.939 di polyakn aleyn hobn gezogt. Max Wald 687.663 688.366 yo. Mordechai Raz 687.984 690.121 un azoy hobn zey gemakht, di polyakn. Mordechai Raz 690.464 695.842 geven <eh, azoy vi> a kilo tsuker, hobn zey, hobn zey gemasert vi g- yidn hobn dos farbahaltn. Max Wald 696.775 700.082 DID YOU KNOW OF ANY JEWS THAT CAME FROM OTHER COUNTRIES Max Wald 700.184 701.427 TO YOUR TOWN? Mordechai Raz 700.555 703.284 yo, s'iz gekumen pleytim, farshidene. Mordechai Raz 703.441 705.674 fun Malkin, fun Vengrove. Mordechai Raz 705.674 707.62 fun, fun, fun Mordechai Raz 708.234 713.023 fun Ostro- Ostrov tsu Ostrov Mazovietsk, <un s'iz> gekumen fun Brok, fun Stok Mordechai Raz 713.043 715.057 s'iz gekumen fun, fun Mordechai Raz 715.057 719.838 farshidene shtetlekh iz men gekumen tsu undz m- m- ven, ven di DEUTSCH iz arayn. Mordechai Raz 720.13 721.12 pleytim. Max Wald 723.725 726.835 AND WHAT STORIES DID THEY TELL YOU OF WHAT HAPPENED Max Wald 726.88 728.529 IN THEIR, IN THEIR TOWNS? Mordechai Raz 727.91 732.421 az, az me shist, me harget, me, me, me rabevet, me Mordechai Raz 732.466 733.794 baganvet. Max Wald 733.867 736.595 dos z- zey hobn gekumen fun DEUTSCHLAND? Mordechai Raz 736.297 741.91 yo, zey hobn, iz, iz, d- DEUTSCHEN hobn geshlofn bay undz in shtub hobn zey geshlofn, di DEUTSCHEN. Max Wald 740.397 740.932 YEAH. Max Wald 742.717 744.061 di DEUTSCHishe yidn? Mordechai Raz 743.867 747.296 neyn! di DEUTSCHEN aleyn, di militern. Max Wald 746.894 747.682 YEAH. Mordechai Raz 747.333 749.0 hot geshlofn bay undz in shtub. Max Wald 748.862 751.377 yetst o- gey ikh dir fregn ven hot zey Mordechai Raz 750.248 751.82 z- zey, zey hobn farnumen Mordechai Raz 751.82 753.92 dem groysn tsimer vu di gesheft iz Mordechai Raz 753.92 756.22 un zey hobn dortn geshlofn. Max Wald 755.068 761.435 SO WHEN DID THEY COME INTO YOUR TOWN? WHEN DID THE DEUTSCHEN, WHEN DID YOU KNOW THE DEUTSCHEN CAME INTO YOUR TOWN, DO YOU REMEMBER? Mordechai Raz 761.052 763.713 in, dos iz gevezn in di, in di slikhes teg. Max Wald 763.398 764.034 ye. Mordechai Raz 763.82 765.53 dakht zikh mir nokh di slikhes. Mordechai Raz 765.541 768.905 in di roshe- far rosheshone tsi nokh rosheshone, gedenk shoyn nisht ven. Max Wald 768.204 769.019 YEAH. Mordechai Raz 768.905 772.702 un zey hobn, eh di, in onheyb hot eh a por DEUTSCHEN hobn dertseylt undz. Mordechai Raz 772.702 777.787 zey zenen gevoynt bay undz, zey zenen, zey zenen ayngeshtanen bay undz oyf a p- a por nekht, a por teg. Mordechai Raz 777.894 781.527 hobn zey undz gevornt, zey hobn gezogt az s'vet kumen, az s'vet kumen Mordechai Raz 781.555 783.983 andere DEUTSCHEN vos zey veln eh dos Mordechai Raz 783.983 785.988 veln, veln hargenen. Max Wald 784.049 788.015 SO dem ershtns iz nor gekumen a por DEUTSCHEN, nisht a sakh. Mordechai Raz 786.567 791.568 a por DEUTSCHEN, gekumen nor di, di DEUTSCHEN vos zenen gekumen zenen nokh nisht geven azelkhe antisemitn. Max Wald 791.308 792.0 UH-HUH. Mordechai Raz 791.568 793.255 s'iz geven farshtelte efsher. Mordechai Raz 793.255 796.63 ober zey, zey hobn undz gezogt az s- s- ir zolt<s> visn zayn az Mordechai Raz 796.675 798.459 tsk me vil aykh ale oyshargenen. Mordechai Raz 799.089 802.188 <un mir> hobn nisht gegleybt vos, az s'iz a emese zakh. Mordechai Raz 803.527 806.744 nu, iz, iz zey zenen gevezn bay undz Mordechai Raz 806.952 812.077 un zey hobn geton vos zey hobn gevolt. zey hobn tsugenumen di e- ale, ale farmegns Mordechai Raz 812.251 818.441 un, un undz hobn zey arayngeshtupt in ts- in a- eyn tsimer tsi in tsvey tsimern; un zey hobn, zey hobn farnumen di Mordechai Raz 818.444 820.441 zey hobn gedarft hobn vu tsu voynen. Mordechai Raz 820.469 821.611 di DEUTSCHEN. Mordechai Raz 821.769 825.897 hobn zey, hobn zey gevoynt in, in di ale tsimern vos e- mir hobn gehat. Max Wald 825.819 827.588 di por, por DEUTSCHEN. Mordechai Raz 827.101 828.125 yo. Max Wald 827.588 830.487 s'iz geven polyakn mit zey <tsu zikh> tsuzamen tsi nisht? Mordechai Raz 830.425 832.597 ikh gedenk nisht tsi geven polyakn mit zey. Max Wald 835.944 839.6 SO DID THEY HAVE GUNS? DID YOU SEE IF THEY HAD GUNS WITH Mordechai Raz 838.374 841.471 avade, zey, avade. ale DEUTSCHEN hobn gehat GUNS. Max Wald 842.643 848.307 AND DID THEY MARCH INTO THE CITY WHEN THEY FIRST CAME IN? DID THEY MARCH INTO TH-, INTO YOUR TOWNSHIP? Mordechai Raz 848.469 850.173 eh ar- aroysgetribn? Max Wald 850.116 854.334 ye, NO, DID THEY, DID YOU SEE THEM, EH, WHEN THE FIR- WHEN YOU FIRST SAW THEM, WERE THEY Mordechai Raz 850.287 851.142 nokh ni- Mordechai Raz 854.367 858.214 <forn> mi- mit tanken, zenen gekumen keseyder mit tanken. Max Wald 857.562 858.335 YEAH. Mordechai Raz 858.214 861.867 un mayn bobe olehasholem hot gezogt, zi iz shoyn geven alt hundert yor Mordechai Raz 861.867 866.33 az zi hot shoyn nokh azoy fil tanken nisht gezen in ir lebn, biz vifl zi, zi hot gezen yetst. Mordechai Raz 866.504 869.986 in gantsn marshirt keyn Varshe hobn zey marshirt, durkh, durkh undz. Mordechai Raz 869.997 871.404 zenen zey adurkh Mordechai Raz 871.449 872.607 keyn Varshe. Max Wald 872.832 874.43 FROM YOU TO WARSAW. Mordechai Raz 873.912 876.91 yo, d- undz i- bay undz iz geven di, di durkhgang. Max Wald 877.574 882.918 SO YOU SAW QUITE A LOT OF, OF EH TANKS AND, AND EH SOLDIERS GOING THROUGH. Mordechai Raz 882.654 883.407 YEAH. Max Wald 886.467 892.641 SO WHAT DID THEY DO GENERALLY TO, TO THE yidn IN THE, IN THE CITY? WERE YOU STILL ALLOWED TO GO IN THIS TIME Max Wald 892.641 895.231 TO SYNAGOGUE? WERE YOU STILL ALLOWED TO GO Max Wald 895.231 898.122 AND, AND DAVEN? WERE YOU STILL ALLOWED TO DO BUSINESS Mordechai Raz 897.284 900.856 m'hot moyre gehat, moyre gehat tsu geyn i- geyn in gas. Mordechai Raz 900.963 903.809 vifl vayt <me> UNK meglekh hot men nisht eh nisht gegangen. Mordechai Raz 904.389 906.695 un zey, un zey flegn bafaln Mordechai Raz 906.869 909.817 eh oyf oyf, afile oyf alte yidn geshlogn. Max Wald 910.681 912.628 un esn? DID YOU HAVE FOOD? Mordechai Raz 912.708 918.823 n- vu iz geven esn? v-, vos m'hot gehat hot men gegesn, m'hot, m'hot nisht, m'hot shoyn nisht gevust vos tsu ton, m'iz ge- Mordechai Raz 918.823 920.532 mayn tate iz antlofn Mordechai Raz 920.96 922.096 keyn Rusland Mordechai Raz 922.141 924.07 un er hot geshikt Mordechai Raz 924.115 927.333 er hot gehat a bruder in Tshekhanovtshe; Tshekhanovtshe hot gehert tsu Rusland. Max Wald 926.476 927.278 YEAH. Mordechai Raz 927.693 929.341 Binyomtshe hot er geheysn. Max Wald 928.824 933.02 SO WHEN DID HE, WHEN DID HE GO? AS SOON AS THE GERMANS CAME IN, OR BEFORE? Mordechai Raz 933.397 935.562 M- AFTER WHEN THE GERMANS COME IN Max Wald 935.067 935.821 YEAH Mordechai Raz 935.562 939.145 hot er antlofn keyn Rusland tsu zayn bruder in Tshekhanovtshe. Max Wald 938.898 939.567 yo. Mordechai Raz 939.404 942.706 un fun dortn hot er geshikt a, vegener Max Wald 942.492 943.145 mh Mordechai Raz 942.762 944.394 a vogn mit a ferd Mordechai Raz 944.619 947.6 kedey tsu nemen undz, mir <zol> oykhet antloyfn fun dortn. Mordechai Raz 947.707 951.105 un geheysn di gantse mishpokhe antloyfn. ober mayn mame's Mordechai Raz 951.105 953.35 eltern hobn nisht gevolt antloyfn. Mordechai Raz 953.35 955.261 zey hobn zikh ayngeredt az s'iz Mordechai Raz 955.57 957.32 az s'vet adurkhgeyn. Mordechai Raz 957.95 961.828 undz hobn moyre gehat, eh z- zey hobn nisht gevolt eh di gantse farmegn Mordechai Raz 961.865 964.93 eh iberlozn; m'hot nisht gekent alts mitnemen. Mordechai Raz 965.476 967.327 hobn gehat, zey hobn gehat gold Mordechai Raz 967.501 969.453 gribelekh gold hobn zey gehat Mordechai Raz 970.184 971.394 ongezamlt Mordechai Raz 971.905 978.028 iz eh, hobn ze- hobn zey nisht gevolt antloyfn, ven zey hobn gevust az me, me ken nisht mitnemen dos, oyfn veg ken men zey Mordechai Raz 978.028 978.99 tsunemen Mordechai Raz 979.01 980.337 hobn zey geblibn. Max Wald 981.065 984.921 s'iz a sakh mentshn avekgeforn fun, fun SADOWNE in di tsayt? Mordechai Raz 984.632 987.83 eh, ver veyst? es, ver es hot gekent iz gelofn. Mordechai Raz 988.392 993.483 ober nisht ale, di yungvarg, eyntslne, zenen gelofn; di eltere mentshn hobn nisht gelofn. Max Wald 995.395 997.232 DID YOU HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS Max Wald 997.235 999.237 IN YOUR AGE AT THAT TIME? Mordechai Raz 999.361 1002.438 kinder in kheyder, vos, yo. Max Wald 1000.778 1002.501 YEAH. s'iz geven a sakh? Mordechai Raz 1002.449 1005.717 eh, avade. a gantse kheyder; a gantse talmed toyre. Max Wald 1006.311 1008.659 DO YOU REMEMBER ANY OF THOSE FRIENDS? Mordechai Raz 1009.334 1011.489 ver ken gedenken azelkhe FRIENDS? Max Wald 1011.039 1011.624 yo. Max Wald 1012.557 1014.594 SO AFTER YOUR FATHER WENT Max Wald 1014.751 1016.264 TO Tshekhanovtshe Max Wald 1016.405 1018.452 WHERE, WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU THEN? Mordechai Raz 1018.514 1019.808 in Tshekhanovtshe Max Wald 1019.645 1022.137 NO, WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU IN SADOWNE? Mordechai Raz 1021.569 1023.081 in SADOWNE iz i- Max Wald 1022.58 1025.326 YOUR FATHER SENT A WAGON FOR YOU TO COME, AND Mordechai Raz 1024.183 1027.193 Y- yo, geSENT a WAGON, un mir zenen geforn ale Mordechai Raz 1027.441 1031.654 in, mitn WAGON, un- undz ale brider mit di mamen Mordechai Raz 1032.2 1033.342 un Mordechai Raz 1033.887 1035.153 un di ehm Max Wald 1035.133 1037.78 BUT di mame's eltern hobn nisht gev- vel- vol- Mordechai Raz 1036.785 1040.533 ma- mame's eltern hobn nisht gevolt. dem tatn's eltern hobn yo geforn. Mordechai Raz 1040.533 1045.461 mit, un di, un di, di mame's eltern, di m- di tate, dos iz di zeyde Mordechai Raz 1045.461 1047.594 mayn mame's tate Mordechai Raz 1047.657 1050.755 iz nokhgegangen nokh dem vogn, ferd un vogn Mordechai Raz 1050.755 1052.51 er iz nokhgegangen tsu fus Mordechai Raz 1052.51 1057.085 un hot undz ongezogt di mamen az zi zol shtendik haltn a melamed Mordechai Raz 1057.209 1060.51 a TEACHER tsu di kinder, yi- lernen yidish. Mordechai Raz 1060.803 1067.449 un <di> gantsn veg hot er eh gevornt un gebetn ir az z- z- zol zol tun tsulib Mordechai Raz 1067.485 1069.336 un zol haltn a melamed Mordechai Raz 1069.426 1073.726 tsu di kinder, zol nisht oplozn <un> nisht, nisht <tsunutsn> di kinder tsu keyn BUSINESS. Mordechai Raz 1073.763 1075.698 bi- biz tsu di khasene Mordechai Raz 1075.788 1078.195 un zoln keseyder haltn a melamed. Mordechai Raz 1078.252 1081.523 un dos hot zi gehaltn vort, un zi hot shtendik gehaltn a melamed. Mordechai Raz 1081.523 1082.67 a dank dem Mordechai Raz 1082.67 1084.527 bin ikh geblibn a yid. Mordechai Raz 1084.527 1087.261 az nisht volt ikh gevezn haynt azoy vi ale rusn. Mordechai Raz 1087.314 1088.894 volt gornisht gevust. Mordechai Raz 1089.085 1091.257 nor azoy vi ikh hob gehat a melamed Mordechai Raz 1091.431 1097.394 eyn melamed, shpeter nokh a me- UNK in Sibir hob ikh gehat a melamed, in Dv-, vos hot men gegebn dem melamed, a shtikl broyt Mordechai Raz 1097.439 1099.0 vos er hot nisht gehat. Max Wald 1098.473 1101.724 SO CAN YOU JUST TELL ME, YOU WENT TO Tshekhanovtshe Max Wald 1101.775 1103.51 WITH, WITH A WAGON, WITH A WHOLE Mordechai Raz 1101.826 1102.377 yo. Max Wald 1103.51 1106.309 WHOLE FAMILY: YOUR MOTHER AND ALL YOUR BROTHERS, YEAH? Mordechai Raz 1103.747 1104.504 yo. Mordechai Raz 1105.488 1106.326 YEAH. Mordechai Raz 1106.382 1109.684 oykhet mitn zeydn, eh dem tatn's tate mitn Max Wald 1110.067 1114.045 SO WHE- WHEN YOU CAME TO Tshekhanovtshe, WHAT HAPPENED THEN? Mordechai Raz 1114.162 1115.864 az iz gekumen tsu Tshekhanovtshe Mordechai Raz 1115.864 1117.812 iz ge- iz men geven a bisl Mordechai Raz 1117.812 1120.124 me- menukhe, a bisl REST. Mordechai Raz 1120.124 1121.682 vayl s'hot gekert tsu Rusland. Mordechai Raz 1121.89 1125.71 ober azoy vi m'hot gemakht a, dortn a gantse Mordechai Raz 1125.71 1127.229 oblave, LISTING Mordechai Raz 1127.24 1129.647 v- v- vu eyner vil forn Mordechai Raz 1129.906 1134.406 eh un azoy vi m- m'hot gedarft avekgebn Tshekhanovtshe <far> DEUTSCHLAND Mordechai Raz 1135.002 1138.777 hot men, hot men gemuzt a- avekgeyn fun Tshekhanovtshe ale pleytim. Max Wald 1138.664 1141.885 SO YOU KNEW THAT, EH, THE DEUTSCHEN WOULD EVENTUALLY Mordechai Raz 1140.099 1140.903 yo. Max Wald 1141.885 1142.83 TAKE Tshekhanovtshe. Mordechai Raz 1142.461 1147.799 yo. hot, hot men, hot, a teyl hobn zikh farshribn keyn rusland tsu forn Max Wald 1143.588 1144.38 SO Mordechai Raz 1147.799 1150.302 un a teyl hobn gezogt zey viln tsurik keyn Poyln. Mordechai Raz 1150.527 1154.085 iz d- di ale vos zey hobn gezogt zey viln tsurik keyn Poyln Mordechai Raz 1154.085 1156.064 hot men ale farshikt in Sibir. Mordechai Raz 1156.064 1160.615 un di vos zey hobn gezogt zey viln blaybn in Rusland hot men zey gelozt blaybn dortn. Mordechai Raz 1160.615 1164.916 un z- me hot zey gelozt blaybn in Tshekhanovtshe; gekumen der DEUTSCH, un s'hot geendikt. Mordechai Raz 1165.141 1167.923 un <mir undz>, hobn mir gezogt me vil tsurik keyn Poyln Mordechai Raz 1167.923 1170.464 hot men farshikt keyn Sibir, alts Mordechai Raz 1170.464 1174.239 vayl mir zenen kegn Rusland, heyst dos, az me vil tsurik in Poyln. Mordechai Raz 1174.239 1177.91 shoyn, un dos iz ge- un mir hobn gemeynt s'iz a umglik; dervayl iz geven a glik Mordechai Raz 1178.169 1181.808 az m'iz <n-> aroys vayt in Sibir mit di vayse bern dortn Mordechai Raz 1182.084 1185.369 in, in Arkhangelskn Oblast Max Wald 1183.736 1185.525 SO CAN YOU TELL ME Max Wald 1186.066 1189.447 HOW THIS WAS DONE? YOU WERE UH STILL A VERY YOUNG BOY Max Wald 1189.492 1191.235 YOU HAD YOUR MOTHER Max Wald 1191.235 1194.869 YOUR FATHER WAS STILL, WAS YOUR FATHER STILL WITH YOU THEN? Mordechai Raz 1194.436 1199.85 neyn, di FATHER iz gevezn, <er hot> bakumen finef yor in tfise, vayl er iz aribergegangen di grenets Max Wald 1197.816 1199.484 SO Mordechai Raz 1199.85 1201.316 di Rusishe grenets Max Wald 1201.356 1202.921 YEAH, BUT WHEN DID HE DO THAT? Mordechai Raz 1202.857 1205.846 dos iz gevezn beshas er iz antlofn f- fun Poyln Max Wald 1205.439 1206.074 YEAH Mordechai Raz 1205.917 1206.955 keyn Rusland Mordechai Raz 1206.955 1209.348 iz ariber, geshvartst di grenets Mordechai Raz 1209.472 1212.385 hot men im ayngezetst, hot er bakumen finef yor. Max Wald 1211.446 1216.388 SO WHEN HE SENT A WAGON W- FOR YOU TO SADOWNE TO BRING YOU TO Tshekhanovtshe Max Wald 1216.388 1220.249 HE WAS ALREADY NOT IN Tshekhanovtshe; HE HAD GONE AWAY, <HAD HE>? Mordechai Raz 1219.546 1221.163 e- er hot geshikt a vogn Mordechai Raz 1221.163 1223.062 un shpeter iz er gegangen Mordechai Raz 1223.062 1224.384 tsu zayn bruder Mordechai Raz 1224.507 1226.695 in, in, in Tshekhanovtshe Mordechai Raz 1226.785 1231.893 un, un beshas er iz gegangen ts- ts- ts- in Tshekhanovtshe hot er, hot men im ayn- gekhapt Mordechai Raz 1232.152 1237.043 un m'hot im tsugenumen ale bilder vos er hot gehat, fun di kinder, fun ale, fun di gantse mishpokhe. Max Wald 1237.021 1239.925 avu, avu hot men im gekhapt? Mordechai Raz 1239.104 1240.516 in, di rusn. Max Wald 1240.1 1241.124 in di rusn. Mordechai Raz 1240.994 1244.971 di rusn hobn im gekhapt vayl er iz ariber di grenets nisht o- LEGAL. Mordechai Raz 1245.415 1248.552 iz eh hot men im avekgeshikt eh finef yor Mordechai Raz 1248.552 1249.454 JAIL. Max Wald 1249.38 1250.36 avu? Mordechai Raz 1249.482 1251.058 in Rusland. Max Wald 1251.058 1252.329 in Rusland. veyst nisht avu? Mordechai Raz 1251.069 1251.893 yo. Mordechai Raz 1251.893 1253.892 in Murmansk iz er gevezn. Max Wald 1253.448 1254.489 Murmalsk. Mordechai Raz 1253.92 1256.744 Murmansk in, in, in Mordechai Raz 1256.772 1258.01 in di ehm Mordechai Raz 1258.01 1258.955 Ural Mordechai Raz 1258.955 1260.387 di berg fun Ural. Max Wald 1260.012 1262.049 DID YOU KNOW WHERE HE WAS SENT? Mordechai Raz 1261.959 1263.704 mir hobn nisht gevust vu er iz. Max Wald 1262.949 1263.989 YOU DIDN'T KNOW. Mordechai Raz 1263.704 1266.438 neyn, ober shpeter hobn mir gevoyr gevorn vu er iz. Mordechai Raz 1266.543 1271.634 un shpeter iz er gekumen in UNK tsuzamen getrofn in Kotlas. in Kotlas hot men im getrofn. Max Wald 1272.567 1273.434 SO Max Wald 1273.462 1278.446 WHEN YOU CAME TO Tshekhanovtshe AND YOUR FAMILY DECIDED THEY WANTED TO GO TO POLAND Max Wald 1278.457 1281.509 BUT THEY SENT YOU TO SIBERIA, CAN YOU TELL ME Mordechai Raz 1280.11 1280.729 YEAH Max Wald 1281.509 1285.17 WERE THERE MANY PEOPLE IN Tshekhanovtshe AT THE TIME, AND DID MANY Max Wald 1285.17 1289.009 WANT TO GO TO P- EH TO POLAND AND END UP GOING TO SIBERIA? Max Wald 1289.009 1290.517 WERE THERE A LOT LIKE THAT? Mordechai Raz 1289.56 1291.877 di ale, di ale v- Max Wald 1291.787 1293.224 vifl mentshn hot geven? Mordechai Raz 1292.94 1294.521 a por hundert toyznt. Max Wald 1294.64 1295.495 UNK Mordechai Raz 1294.653 1298.802 nisht nor in Tshekhanovtshe. di ale vos zenen gevezn antlofn keyn rusland Mordechai Raz 1298.926 1301.502 un i- hot men avekgeshikt zey keyn Sibir. Mordechai Raz 1301.761 1305.336 iz un, un shpeter hobn zey zey geshikt in SREDNIAIA AZIIA. Mordechai Raz 1305.355 1306.565 mitl Azye. Mordechai Raz 1306.638 1309.74 un, un mir hobn mitgenumen a bisl gold Mordechai Raz 1309.777 1312.083 hobn mir mitgenumen keyn Tshekhanovtshe Mordechai Raz 1312.342 1314.175 un azoy vi s'iz gevezn Mordechai Raz 1314.232 1317.145 shabes, shabes hot men gemakht a oblave Mordechai Raz 1317.354 1318.985 dos heyst a, a Mordechai Raz 1319.092 1321.938 <zey hobn> tsamgenumen ale yidn fun Tshekhanovtshe Mordechai Raz 1322.298 1325.147 un zey hobn ah zey hobn gevolt avekshikn keyn Sibir. Mordechai Raz 1325.184 1331.253 iz geven shabes, hobn mir <hobn> ibergelozt di gold bay dem, bay, bay mayn feter, bay mayn UNCLE. Mordechai Raz 1331.815 1332.67 un Mordechai Raz 1333.385 1339.96 un mir ho- mame, di mame hot gezogt "zolst visn zayn az do iz do gold; m'hot farbahaltn dos in der heykh in, in boydem." Mordechai Raz 1340.101 1345.321 un, un a dank di gold hot er z- hot mayn feter, UNCLE hot zikh gekent farbahaltn Mordechai Raz 1345.321 1346.426 bay a goy. Mordechai Raz 1346.426 1347.909 di gantse milkhome. Max Wald 1347.61 1348.989 di gantse milkhome. Mordechai Raz 1348.336 1350.595 di gantse milkhome iz <er> geven farbahaltn bay a goy. Mordechai Raz 1350.595 1354.456 biz di rusn zenen arayngekumen. di rusn zenen arayngekumen Mordechai Raz 1354.563 1356.273 hot avekgetribn di DEUTSCHEN Mordechai Raz 1356.273 1360.724 hot men im geharget, di polyakn hobn im geharget, mit di gantse zeks kinder hot er gehat. Max Wald 1360.255 1364.234 SO WHERE DID HE, WHERE DID HE HIDE? IN Tshekhanovtshe? Mordechai Raz 1364.244 1365.217 vos heyst "HIDE"? Max Wald 1365.333 1367.21 WHERE DID THE polyakn HIDE HIM? Mordechai Raz 1367.149 1368.806 ah! in Tshekhanovtshe. Max Wald 1368.721 1369.542 in Tshekhanovtshe. Mordechai Raz 1369.18 1371.221 yo, er iz geven bay a goy farbahaltn. Mordechai Raz 1371.438 1374.338 in finef un fertsikstn yor, in FORTY, NINE- Mordechai Raz 1374.374 1376.261 NINETEEN FORTY FIVE Mordechai Raz 1376.264 1379.839 iz er aroysgelofn fun, fun, fun, fun keler, fun farbahaltn Mordechai Raz 1379.839 1381.83 vayl eh di rusn zenen shoyn gevezn. Mordechai Raz 1381.833 1386.147 m'iz gegangen di polyakn un m'hot im geharget, im mit di zeks kinder mit di froy. Max Wald 1386.558 1390.285 IN Tshekhanovtshe BEFORE YOU WENT AWAY, WERE YOU ABLE TO UH Max Wald 1390.285 1393.575 DAVEN, WERE YOU ABLE TO GO TO CHEDER, WERE YOU ABLE TO GO TO SHUL Max Wald 1393.575 1395.665 OR DID THE RUSSIANS STOP YOU DOING THIS? Mordechai Raz 1395.316 1399.49 di- d- demolts iz no- eh gedenk ikh nisht iz nokh nisht, mir zenen nisht gevezn Mordechai Raz 1399.49 1402.671 TEMPORARY zenen mir gevezn dortn; i- gedenk ikh shoyn nisht Mordechai Raz 1402.674 1405.149 efsher iz men gegangen in kheyder; gedenk nisht. Max Wald 1405.836 1410.11 SO CAN YOU REMEMBER HOW YOU WERE TRANSPORTED TO SIBERIA? Mordechai Raz 1410.385 1412.712 UNK m'iz, iz men Mordechai Raz 1412.712 1414.177 mit a barzhe Mordechai Raz 1414.334 1418.39 mit aza shif hot geshlept, a parakhod hot geshlept di barzhe Mordechai Raz 1418.39 1419.968 aza fun beheymes Mordechai Raz 1419.987 1422.229 fun, fun, fun ANIMALS Mordechai Raz 1422.229 1423.762 fun COWS. Mordechai Raz 1424.375 1428.976 i- i- eh, m'hot zey arayngeleygt dortn in aza groyse Mordechai Raz 1429.235 1432.587 aza groyse, v- vu me firt ANIMALS. Max Wald 1433.242 1436.381 oyfn vaser, oyfn, oyfn vaser? Mordechai Raz 1433.352 1436.345 oyfn vaser, oyfn vaser, yo. Mordechai Raz 1436.39 1438.038 un dos hot geshlept Mordechai Raz 1438.263 1440.007 a shif hot geshlept dos Mordechai Raz 1440.007 1441.345 dem gantsn veg. Max Wald 1441.507 1443.061 velkhe RIVER, veystu? Mordechai Raz 1442.846 1445.584 di RIVER? dos iz eh, fun der Brin-Navolok Mordechai Raz 1445.62 1447.651 der, der taykh fun Kotlas. Max Wald 1447.682 1449.935 b- dos iz geven fun Tshekhanovtshe? Mordechai Raz 1449.402 1450.993 f- fun Tshekhanovtshe, yo. Mordechai Raz 1451.139 1454.595 ken zayn, mi- mir zenen geforn mit, frier mit a ban, ken zayn. Mordechai Raz 1454.615 1457.394 mit, mit, shpeter iz men ariber in vaser. Mordechai Raz 1457.77 1460.662 ober ikh gedenk shoyn nisht. glaykh, s'iz glaykh in vaser. Mordechai Raz 1460.69 1463.047 Tshekhanovtshe s'iz do a taykh? ikh gedenk nisht. Max Wald 1464.784 1466.292 SO EH Mordechai Raz 1466.208 1468.531 ir hot gefunen di mape OF Tshekhanovtshe, neyn? Max Wald 1466.292 1467.43 UNK Max Wald 1469.431 1470.947 CAN YOU EH Max Wald 1470.947 1473.425 TELL ME HOW LONG THIS JOURNEY TOOK YOU? Max Wald 1473.481 1474.727 DO YOU KN- REMEMBER? Max Wald 1474.727 1477.61 HOW LONG DID THIS TRIP TAKE YOU? HOW LONG DID THIS JOURN- Mordechai Raz 1476.654 1477.596 di TRIP? Mordechai Raz 1477.599 1479.967 di TRIP hot ge- gedoyert epes a Max Wald 1477.734 1478.74 THE JOURNEY Mordechai Raz 1479.967 1482.954 gedenk nisht, tsvey vokhn, dray vokhn. ikh gedenk nisht pinktlekh vi lang. Max Wald 1482.98 1485.98 es iz geven a sakh mentshn tsuzamen oyf di MAIN BARGE? Mordechai Raz 1484.918 1487.02 yo, fil, fil mentshn. Max Wald 1486.696 1488.168 vifl mentshn, gedenkst? Mordechai Raz 1488.168 1491.042 a fule, a fule shif mit mentshn. Max Wald 1490.24 1491.042 a fule shif. Mordechai Raz 1491.183 1491.857 yo Max Wald 1491.239 1493.5 a por hundert, a por toyznt veyst? Mordechai Raz 1493.391 1495.365 a barzhe hot dos geheysn, nisht keyn shif. Mordechai Raz 1495.402 1497.489 a barzhe, vu di beheymes forn. Mordechai Raz 1498.135 1499.851 vu di ANIMALS forn. Max Wald 1500.447 1502.68 SO HOW DID YOU EAT ON THE BARGE? Mordechai Raz 1502.794 1503.294 vos? Max Wald 1503.357 1505.457 HOW DI- H- vi hot, host geesn? Max Wald 1505.457 1506.789 zey gegebn Mordechai Raz 1505.51 1506.534 ah. Max Wald 1506.789 1508.12 FOOD tsu vos? Mordechai Raz 1507.434 1510.854 ver gedenkt, ikh gedenk n- mistome hobn zey gegebn. Max Wald 1509.796 1513.672 s'iz geven rusn tsuzamen mit dir? ruse soldatn tsi nisht? Mordechai Raz 1512.867 1515.204 neyn, eh nor yidn iz gevezn. Max Wald 1514.664 1515.642 nor yidn. Mordechai Raz 1515.608 1519.118 yo. efsher gevezn ehn POLICE oykhet, veys ikh nisht. Max Wald 1519.01 1519.959 YOU DON'T REMEMBER. Mordechai Raz 1519.381 1520.59 mistome iz gevezn. Max Wald 1520.284 1521.723 YEAH, YOU DON'T REMEMBER. Max Wald 1523.549 1525.698 SO WHEN, WHERE DID YOU FIRST Max Wald 1525.698 1526.812 SETTLE DOWN? Mordechai Raz 1526.469 1528.508 SETTLE DOWN IN Brin-Navolok. Max Wald 1526.812 1527.914 IN SIBERIA. Max Wald 1528.509 1529.694 Brin-Navolok Mordechai Raz 1529.469 1530.715 Brin-Navolok Max Wald 1531.059 1533.82 AND WHAT SORT OF A, WAS IT A BIG AH TOWN? Mordechai Raz 1533.775 1536.875 dos iz nisht keyn <BIG TOWN> s'iz a posholek, es heyst, a farshikt Mordechai Raz 1537.134 1538.236 a posholek. Mordechai Raz 1538.236 1539.915 dos heyst, a posholek heyst Mordechai Raz 1539.915 1541.0 a farshik- Mordechai Raz 1541.0 1541.853 farshikt Mordechai Raz 1542.449 1543.13 d- Max Wald 1543.148 1544.101 A PRISON? Mordechai Raz 1544.04 1546.173 yo aza, az, yo, a PRISON azoy. Mordechai Raz 1546.33 1547.219 farshikt. Mordechai Raz 1547.326 1548.704 di ale ape- Mordechai Raz 1549.047 1550.29 posholkes Mordechai Raz 1550.583 1552.754 farshikt, <vu zey hobn> farshikt mentshn. Mordechai Raz 1553.215 1557.322 un dortn hot men, hot men gearbet; me hot gezegt di, di beymer. Mordechai Raz 1557.333 1559.892 m'hot geshnitn di beymer, m'hot geleygt oyfn vaser. Mordechai Raz 1560.64 1565.9 un azoy hot men oysgeshn- hakt ale beymer fun di vald. s'iz geven a vald. Mordechai Raz 1566.192 1568.982 un s'iz gevezn dortn khayes, vayse bern. Max Wald 1568.991 1571.76 AND WHAT SORT OF ACCOMMODATION DID YOU LIVE IN? Mordechai Raz 1571.691 1575.451 a ke- eh, ts- holtsene, holtsene barakn. Max Wald 1571.76 1573.868 DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT YOU LIVED IN? Max Wald 1575.978 1579.547 AND WHAT, SO IT WASN'T hayzkes; IT WAS A BIG BARRACK, WAS IT? Mordechai Raz 1579.571 1582.792 b- barak fun tsen familyes, mit tsigayner Mordechai Raz 1583.05 1584.884 tsigayner, veyst ir vos dos iz? Mordechai Raz 1585.177 1588.377 tsigayner dos iz eh, di, di, ehm Mordechai Raz 1588.636 1591.983 di vos zenen do in eyrope, azoy vi s'iz do BED- BEDUIM Mordechai Raz 1591.983 1595.83 azoy vi s'iz do di, do in Me- Oystralye iz do di Mordechai Raz 1595.861 1598.412 di ehm B- ABORIGINES Mordechai Raz 1598.573 1601.383 azoy iz do in EUROPE iz do tsigayner. Mordechai Raz 1601.394 1602.805 zey heysn Mordechai Raz 1604.313 1608.478 i- vos zey vandern fun eyn plats in tsveytn; ir veyst shoyn vos heyst tsigayner? Max Wald 1608.478 1608.916 yo. Mordechai Raz 1608.926 1609.816 TSIGAN? Max Wald 1609.623 1611.091 YEAH, NOW I UNDERSTAND. Mordechai Raz 1610.857 1612.908 vi heyst es oyf english? Max Wald 1612.987 1615.04 EH ABORIGINES, IS THAT WHAT YOU MEANT? Mordechai Raz 1614.275 1616.688 n- n- UNK azoy vi ABORIGINES. Mordechai Raz 1616.688 1618.803 dos iz a min sort ehn Mordechai Raz 1619.332 1624.142 zey zingen, zey tantsn, zey, eh, eh, veyst nisht vi azoy z- zey vandern fun eyn plats in tsveytn. Max Wald 1624.076 1624.974 LIKE GYPSIES. Mordechai Raz 1624.944 1627.964 GYPSIES, dos iz, dos i-, mir <zenen> geven tsuzamen mit di GYPSIES Mordechai Raz 1627.964 1629.029 in eyn Mordechai Raz 1629.136 1631.476 in eyn barak, in eyn BUILDING Mordechai Raz 1631.583 1632.877 mit di GYPSIES. Max Wald 1634.08 1634.787 AND Max Wald 1634.787 1636.775 EH WERE YOU UNDER Max Wald 1636.983 1640.302 CONTROL OF POLICE OR SOLDIERS? Max Wald 1640.594 1642.445 WHO, WHO WAS IN CHARGE? Mordechai Raz 1641.995 1644.487 IN CHARGE iz gevezn di POLICE. Mordechai Raz 1644.897 1648.537 in, in, mir hobn, dortn iz gevezn eyn restoran Mordechai Raz 1649.335 1651.102 vos m'hot gegebn tsu esn Mordechai Raz 1651.36 1654.556 on gelt, tsi mit gelt, ikh gedenk nisht. mistome on gelt. Mordechai Raz 1654.556 1656.924 az mir hobn nisht gegesn fun dem restoran Mordechai Raz 1657.233 1659.927 STOLOVAIA, vayl s'iz nisht geven kosher. Mordechai Raz 1660.338 1665.676 iz, hobn mir ge- ge- geshaft kartofl, POTATOES, fun, fun di derfer Mordechai Raz 1665.721 1668.871 vos mir hobn ge- mitgenumen mit zikh a bisl skhoyre Mordechai Raz 1668.961 1670.224 a bisl zakhn Mordechai Raz 1670.227 1672.215 hobn mir avekgegebn far di goyim Mordechai Raz 1672.235 1674.744 un zey hobn undz gegebn kartofl. Mordechai Raz 1674.8 1680.003 hot men gebrengt m- di mame hot gebrengt di kartofl aheym, un dos hot men gegesn, dos hot men gekokht. Mordechai Raz 1680.003 1681.932 mit broyt vos zey hobn gegebn. Mordechai Raz 1682.056 1685.189 un keyn, ke- fun restoran hobn mir nisht gegesn. Max Wald 1685.6 1686.624 NO fleysh. Mordechai Raz 1686.595 1690.91 N- NO fleysh. in gantsn nisht. me- in, in restoran hot men nisht arayngegangen esn. Mordechai Raz 1691.169 1695.432 ober a sakh yidn hobn yo gegesn dortn, az s'iz, s'iz nisht geven vos tsu esn. Max Wald 1696.67 1700.326 AND IN THIS SITUATION, WERE YOUR WHOLE FAMILY WITH YOU? Mordechai Raz 1700.365 1703.908 y- n- nor d- der tate iz nisht gevezn; tate iz gevezn in JAIL. Max Wald 1703.619 1705.988 BUT ALL THE BROTHERS OR NOT? Mordechai Raz 1705.203 1706.173 ALL BROTHERS, yo. Max Wald 1705.988 1707.11 BUT WERE, WERE Mordechai Raz 1706.693 1707.999 eyn BROTHER iz gevezn Mordechai Raz 1708.077 1709.641 in Erets Yisroel shoyn. Max Wald 1709.958 1711.804 WHEN DID TSVI LEAVE? Mordechai Raz 1712.397 1715.457 Tsvi iz g- iz, iz antlofn keyn Erets Yisroel. Max Wald 1715.427 1716.904 THIS IS BEFORE THE milkhome. Mordechai Raz 1716.731 1719.735 i- in di milkhome. in di milkhome. keyn Vilne Max Wald 1717.662 1718.754 IN THE milkhome. Mordechai Raz 1719.735 1721.251 er iz gelofn keyn Vilne Max Wald 1721.806 1724.123 SO THIS IS BEFORE YOU WENT TO CIECHANOWIEC. Mordechai Raz 1723.687 1724.592 yo. Max Wald 1724.123 1726.533 TSVI LEFT HOME, DID HE? BY HIMSELF? Mordechai Raz 1725.121 1728.595 TSVI LEFT BY HIMSELF mit nokh a khaver Mordechai Raz 1728.631 1733.092 zenen zey ge- antlofn keyn Vilne, un fun Vilne zenen zey ayn- eh OFFICIAL, mit a PASSPORT Mordechai Raz 1733.092 1734.549 geforn keyn Erets Yisroel. Max Wald 1735.229 1738.753 SO WHILE YOU WERE IN BRIN-NAVOLOK Max Wald 1738.773 1739.833 EH YOU WERE Max Wald 1739.836 1743.526 LIVING A- THE FAMILY WAS LIVING TOGETHER, UNDER ONE ROOF, YEAH? Mordechai Raz 1742.013 1743.082 yo. Mordechai Raz 1743.093 1745.855 yo, di mame mit di, undz, mit ale kinder. Max Wald 1747.43 1749.197 I'M STOPPING TAPE 1 NOW.