Max Wald 5.226 9.776 THIS IS TAPE TWO OF AN INTERVIEW WITH EH MORDECHAI RAZ IN MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA. Max Wald 10.272 11.16 ehm Max Wald 11.571 13.489 RABBI RAZ, TELL ME WHAT Max Wald 13.68 19.006 GENERALLY WHAT THE LIVING WAS LIKE IN, IN EH, BRIN-NAVOLOK. Mordechai Raz 19.148 23.31 IN BRIN-NAVOLOK? VERY HARD. VERY HARD UNK. Max Wald 19.89 25.706 YEAH. GEN- DESCRIBE, DESCRIBE A, AN AVERAGE DAY FOR ME AND WHAT YOU WENT THROUGH. Mordechai Raz 25.054 27.765 DESCRIBE? vos heyst dos DESCRIBE? Max Wald 25.881 26.567 mh. Max Wald 27.889 31.528 TELL mir vos geton yeder tog. a TYPICAL tog vos iz geven. Mordechai Raz 27.923 34.819 ah. undz ze'mir geven kleyne kinder. undz ho'mir gelernt bay a melamed Mordechai Raz 35.28 36.607 alef beys Mordechai Raz 37.103 39.999 un davenen, khumesh Mordechai Raz 40.647 41.957 yedn tog Mordechai Raz 42.182 43.543 hobn mir gelernt. Mordechai Raz 44.14 50.546 un mayn mame, olev hasholem, zi hot nisht gekent arbetn az zi hot gehat finef kinder bay zikh Mordechai Raz 50.822 52.891 hot zi nisht gegangen tsu di arbet Mordechai Raz 53.202 58.494 un zi hot akhtung gegebn oyf undz un geshlept kartoflyes fun, fun di, fun di Mordechai Raz 58.956 62.089 derfer arum un arum, fun di VILLAGES Mordechai Raz 62.196 65.936 un gebrengt undz esn, vayl mir hobn nisht gegesn fun dem restoran. Max Wald 66.162 71.201 un di andere brider hot nisht gearbet? di eltere, UNK Mordechai Raz 68.17 71.54 mir zenen ale geven kleyne. der elterer iz oykh geven a kleyner. Mordechai Raz 71.54 73.24 vi hot men gekent arbetn? Mordechai Raz 73.24 76.5 d- ober di ale mentshn z- m- hobn gegangen oyf arbet Mordechai Raz 76.5 79.87 ver s'hot nisht gehat keyn kleyne kinder hobn gemuzt geyn arbetn. Mordechai Raz 79.87 83.38 un vos iz geven di arbet? me hot, m-, geshnitn di beymer Max Wald 83.222 83.975 UNK Mordechai Raz 84.64 86.96 un, un avekgeleygt oyfn vaser Mordechai Raz 86.96 89.26 un avekgefirt keyn Arkhangelsk Mordechai Raz 89.26 94.27 avekgefirt, keyn, keyn SIBERIA, avekgefirt keyn, keyn, un farkoyft dos far Yapan. Max Wald 93.769 94.623 mh. Mordechai Raz 94.27 97.22 ikh veys vi zey hobn gemakht fun dem? dos iz geven di BUSINESS. Mordechai Raz 97.22 99.45 un zey hobn opgeshnitn di gantse vald Max Wald 99.135 102.116 es iz geven VERY COLD dortn tsi NO? Mordechai Raz 100.926 106.13 zeyer kalt gevezn. zeyer kalt geven. f- fertsik fuftsik UNDER Max Wald 102.223 103.263 ye? Max Wald 103.354 105.491 DID YOU HAVE ENOUGH WARM CLOTHES? Mordechai Raz 106.38 108.11 UNDER THE, THE, THE ZERO. Max Wald 108.585 110.435 DID YOU HAVE ENOUGH CLOTHING? Mordechai Raz 110.728 114.299 spn mir hobn gehat, vifl me, mir hobn gekent hobn mir gehat. Max Wald 114.795 117.269 DID MANY PEOPLE GET SICK FROM THIS? Mordechai Raz 116.888 119.835 avade. s'iz geven a sakh mentshn vos zenen geshtorbn. Max Wald 117.816 118.35 mhm. Max Wald 120.027 122.231 DID YOU SEE A LOT geshtorbn? Mordechai Raz 121.93 126.264 spn ikh veys, es iz gevezn. geven azelkhe groyse frest Mordechai Raz 126.388 130.938 az zey hobn nisht gekent aribertrogn di fe-, di frest, un mentshn <iz> geshtorbn. Max Wald 130.472 130.989 hm. Max Wald 131.873 134.719 SO HOW MANY PEOPLE, HOW MANY UH Max Wald 135.045 140.641 JEWISH PEOPLE WOULD HAVE BEEN WITH YOU THERE, TOGETHER WITH THE GYPSIES? WERE THERE A LOT OF JEWISH PEOPLE? Mordechai Raz 139.669 144.409 eh s- ikh, ver veyst, ver ken gedenken vifl men- vifl yidn? s'iz geven, s'iz geven a Max Wald 143.584 146.008 WERE THERE HUNDREDS OR H- THOUSANDS? Mordechai Raz 144.72 146.68 a por toyznt, a por toyznt meyn ikh. Max Wald 146.487 147.341 YEAH? Mordechai Raz 147.379 149.549 un lebn undz iz geven nokh, nokh a posholek. Mordechai Raz 149.794 153.804 nisht vayt fun undz iz gevezn nokh eyns. m'hot gekent tsugeyn tsu fus. Max Wald 153.051 153.838 YEAH. Mordechai Raz 153.912 156.623 nisht vayt, nisht FAR, nisht FAR AWAY. Max Wald 156.088 157.398 DO YOU KNOW THE NAME? Mordechai Raz 157.135 161.947 eh, eh, fargesn. do iz do in, in MELBOURNE iz do yidn vos zenen geven dortn. Max Wald 161.083 161.92 hm. Mordechai Raz 161.947 165.037 Yeger, nokh azelkhe, Shpiglman. Max Wald 164.88 165.549 hm. Mordechai Raz 165.1 168.56 zenen gevezn dortn in dem andern posholek. Max Wald 169.133 172.114 SO APART FROM THE melamed WHO WAS TEACHING YOU Mordechai Raz 171.664 172.535 YEAH Max Wald 172.44 174.408 WERE YOU ABLE TO UH Max Wald 174.938 177.345 WERE YOU ABLE TO UM Max Wald 178.026 180.247 HAVE RELIGIOUS SERVICES? Max Wald 180.945 182.474 WERE YOU ALLOWED TO? Mordechai Raz 181.198 185.799 i- in, USUALLY iz nisht ge- iz nisht geven OFFICIAL. Max Wald 185.316 186.069 hm. Mordechai Raz 186.092 192.566 eh d- der melamed, mir zenen gegangen tsu im in sh- tsu im in tsimer, vu er hot geshlofn, vu er hot gevoynt. Mordechai Raz 192.825 196.835 un mir hobn gelernt bay im. nisht geven OFFICIAL. keyner hot nisht gevust fun dem. Max Wald 197.095 202.911 SO ON SHABES YOU DIDN'T GO TO A SHUL ANYWHERE, TO A tsimer nor tsu zayn Mordechai Raz 201.499 204.519 me, m'hot gemakht efsher a minyen shabes Max Wald 203.895 204.749 YEAH Mordechai Raz 204.519 208.479 shabes hot men dakht zikh yo gemakht a minyen ven keyner hot nisht gevust, me veyst nisht. Mordechai Raz 208.479 210.209 mir hobn gedavnt tsuzamen. Max Wald 210.51 213.879 SO THE rusn WERE VERY STRICT WITH YOU, WERE THEY? Mordechai Raz 213.733 219.312 ikh meyn azoy. ikh gede- ver, ikh gedenk shoyn nisht vi s- vi azoy di rusn hobn dokh oyfgefirt ts-, vegn, vegn davnen Max Wald 215.64 216.545 eh Mordechai Raz 219.538 225.328 nor mir zenen geven kleyne kinder, hobn mir, v- ver, ver hot gevust? mir zenen arayngegangen tsu yenem in shtub arayn Mordechai Raz 225.328 227.268 a alter yid iz er gevezn Mordechai Raz 227.352 230.771 un mir hobn gelernt bay im. un shpeter iz er geshtorbn, Max Wald 228.583 230.129 WHAT WAS HIS NAME? Max Wald 230.693 232.172 WHAT WAS HIS NAME? Mordechai Raz 231.216 233.741 i- i- dem yid gedenk ikh shoyn nisht. Mordechai Raz 234.22 239.766 nor d- d- di tsvey yidn vos <zey hobn gelernt> in SREDNIAIA AZIIA, in MIDDLE EAST, di gedenk ikh yo. Max Wald 237.949 238.786 mh Max Wald 240.919 246.903 SO IS THERE ANYTHING YOU CAN, MORE YOU CAN TELL ME ABOUT BRIN-NAVOLOK, AH, ON, IS THERE ANYTHING Mordechai Raz 245.847 248.338 BRIN-NAVOLOK iz geven azoy. s'iz gevezn Mordechai Raz 248.462 253.222 eh, mir hobn gekloybn yagdes, azelkhe kleyne v- shvartse dos Mordechai Raz 253.222 255.172 dos hot men gekloybn in vald Mordechai Raz 255.172 257.612 zise azelkhe, dos hot men gegesn oykhet Mordechai Raz 257.612 261.23 un s'iz geven mentshn vos zenen farblondzhet gevorn dortn in vald Mordechai Raz 261.355 265.736 biz m'hot zey gefinen, m'hot moyre gehat di vayse, vayse bern zenen gevezn. Max Wald 265.32 266.158 hm Mordechai Raz 266.029 268.925 a sakh mol aroysgelofn fun vald di vayse bern. Mordechai Raz 269.91 271.034 un Mordechai Raz 271.48 276.722 un s'iz geven dr- eh dray fertl yor iz geven shney, gevezn frost Mordechai Raz 276.947 279.697 un oykh gevezn, zumer iz geven komarn Mordechai Raz 279.697 282.757 zumer iz gevezn di, di MOSQUITOS Mordechai Raz 283.157 286.777 es, geferlekh geven. zey hobn gebisn geferlekh, zumer. Mordechai Raz 286.777 288.917 in vinter iz geven di groyse frest. Max Wald 290.143 295.542 SO WHAT, WHAT DID YOU SPEND, APART FROM LEARNING IN kheyder OR LEARNING TOGETHER WITH THE melamed Max Wald 295.542 299.832 WHAT DID YOU DO WITH THE REST OF YOUR TIME? DID YOU DO A- ANYTHING AT ALL? DID YOU Max Wald 299.832 302.26 YOU TOLD ME YOU WENT TO THE FOREST TO SEARCH FOR Max Wald 302.26 304.62 THINGS, BUT WERE THERE ANY OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT YOU <DID>? Mordechai Raz 304.048 306.404 neyn. s'iz nisht geven keyn SCHOOL. Mordechai Raz 306.867 309.24 ikh gleyb, gleyb nisht az s'iz geven a SCHOOL Mordechai Raz 309.499 311.045 shoyn nisht geven keyn SCHOOL Mordechai Raz 312.267 313.594 iz ehm Mordechai Raz 315.068 317.88 vos mir hobn gelernt, nor baym melamed hot men gelernt. Max Wald 317.143 322.672 YEAH. SO THERE WASN'T ANYTHING LIKE NEWSPAPERS OR ANY ORGANIZATIONS? Mordechai Raz 320.586 324.218 neyn! vos NEWSPAPERS? s'iz gornisht gevezn. Max Wald 323.151 324.09 NOTHING. Mordechai Raz 324.218 328.378 efsher geven a rusisher NEWSPAPER, ver veyst? un ver ken leyenen rusish? Max Wald 328.382 334.822 SO WERE THERE, DID THE JEWISH PEOPLE HAVE ANYTHING ORGANIZED TOGTHER, YOU, THAT YOU CAN REMEMBER? Mordechai Raz 333.462 336.51 neyn, m'hot nisht getort organizirn gornisht. Max Wald 335.638 336.543 NOTHING. Max Wald 336.702 338.13 NOTHING TO Mordechai Raz 337.5 341.994 N- NOT ALLOWED T- TO DO SOMETHING, O- O- ORGANIZE IT. Max Wald 338.76 339.766 YEAH Mordechai Raz 342.692 344.508 THIS IS, THIS IS Mordechai Raz 344.633 346.061 AGAINST THE LAW. Max Wald 348.514 350.904 SO WHEN DID YOU FIND OUT Max Wald 351.147 355.866 ABOUT YOUR FATHER? WAS THIS LATER ON OR WHILE YOU WERE IN BRIN-, LATER ON. Mordechai Raz 353.931 359.595 LATER L- I- IN, IN BRIN-NAVOLOK UNK. yo, in BRIN-NAVOLOK me UNK. Max Wald 356.412 358.313 IT WAS IN BRIN-NAVOLOK. Max Wald 358.453 361.906 AND HOW, HOW DID YOU GET THIS SORT OF INFORMATION IN BRIN-NAVOLOK? Mordechai Raz 363.41 364.02 vos? Max Wald 363.42 366.59 HOW DI- HOW DID YOU FIND OUT WHERE YOUR FATHER WAS? Mordechai Raz 366.418 369.278 ah vi azoy m'iz ge- gevorn? vayl tsk Mordechai Raz 369.278 372.188 di plenikes, di ale, fun JAIL Mordechai Raz 372.188 375.908 hobn adurkhge- -marshirt lebn BRIN-NA- lebn undz Mordechai Raz 375.908 378.37 oyf di gas. m'hot gevust az zey geyen ariber Mordechai Raz 378.602 381.115 eh, hobn mir geshtanen in droysn Mordechai Raz 381.115 382.905 un mir hobn gekukt Mordechai Raz 382.905 384.755 un mir hobn gezukht undzer tatn. Max Wald 385.015 386.291 OH, YOU SAW HIM? Mordechai Raz 386.13 387.574 yo, m'hot im ge- Mordechai Raz 387.833 390.088 azoy dakht zikh mir. ikh gedenk nisht pinktlekh. Mordechai Raz 390.347 393.868 un, un mir hobn geshtanen in droysn un, un gezukht im. Mordechai Raz 393.975 396.281 beshas zen- zenen marshirt Mordechai Raz 396.439 401.563 ale plenikes, ale gefangene, zenen adurkhgegangen durkh Brin-Navolok. Mordechai Raz 401.991 406.76 k- ken zayn azoy, un s'ken zayn az mir hobn bakumen a briv fun im Mordechai Raz 407.087 411.316 az az er iz ge- <er> zayn in Kotlas. in Kotlas hot <men im> getrofn. Max Wald 411.036 411.857 mhm. Max Wald 413.01 415.214 BUT HE WAS STILL IN J- IN PRISON THEN. Mordechai Raz 415.17 416.041 yo. Mordechai Raz 416.892 418.894 neyn, shpeter iz er bafrayt gevorn, Mordechai Raz 419.372 426.031 shpeter iz er bafrayt gevorn, in eyn un fertsikstn yor, ven zey hobn gemakht sholem i- i- Rusland mit Poyln. Mordechai Raz 426.291 427.854 hot men im bafrayt Max Wald 427.708 428.225 mhm Mordechai Raz 428.147 430.402 un demolts zenen mir geven tsuzamen. Max Wald 431.1 437.068 SO HOW DID YOU ORGANIZE THEN TO, OR HOW WAS IT ORGANIZED THAT YOU WERE TO LEAVE BRIN-NAVOLOK Max Wald 437.361 439.464 AND GO TO KOTLAS? CAN YOU Mordechai Raz 439.25 442.364 dos iz gevezn az me az m'hot, az s'iz gevorn sholem mit Mordechai Raz 442.364 447.184 mit, mit di, mit di, mit di polyakn, Rusland mit Poyln iz gevorn sholem Mordechai Raz 447.334 451.344 hot men bafrayt ale, ale yidn Max Wald 449.443 450.466 ale yidn Mordechai Raz 451.344 453.644 un m'hot zey geshikt in di vareme lender. Mordechai Raz 453.713 455.749 in, in MIDDLE EAST Mordechai Raz 455.89 459.411 nisht in MIDDLE EAST nor in MIDDLE Azye. Max Wald 458.522 459.292 mh. Mordechai Raz 459.703 463.527 in MIDDLE Azye hot men geshikt, in, in UZBEKISTAN, KAJIKSTAN Mordechai Raz 463.737 465.199 TURKISHTAN. Max Wald 464.378 470.582 SO DID ALL THE yidn GO THERE OR DID SOME yidn GO TO OTHER COUNTRIES? DO YOU KNOW WHERE THEY WENT, THE LOT OF THEM? Mordechai Raz 469.474 475.425 ikh meyn ale yidn zenen gegangen dortn in di vareme lender, vayl s'iz geven azelkhe groyse frest, hot men gevolt zayn a bisl varem. Max Wald 474.84 475.627 hm Max Wald 476.393 478.884 SO HOW DID YOU TRAVEL THERE? DO YOU REMEMBER? Mordechai Raz 478.983 482.583 me TRAVELT mit, mit di ban, mit, koydem kol mit di vaser Max Wald 481.978 482.883 mh Mordechai Raz 482.583 484.153 mit a shif Max Wald 483.227 484.115 mh Mordechai Raz 484.645 487.187 un shpeter iz men geforn mit di ban. Max Wald 487.615 489.887 AND THE FAMILY IS STILL TOGETHER HERE. Mordechai Raz 488.931 489.887 YEAH. Max Wald 490.348 492.94 BUT dem ershtn melamed iz nisht gegangen mit dir. Mordechai Raz 492.778 497.328 der ershter melamed, in Brin-Navolok? er iz geshtorbn in Brin-Navolok. Max Wald 494.652 497.194 ye, er hot geshtorbn. Max Wald 497.638 500.045 ven du host geven? aha. Mordechai Raz 498.685 499.877 yo. Mordechai Raz 500.035 501.193 ikh gedenk nokh. Max Wald 502.127 505.259 gut. er iz geven a alter, geven a kranker, tsi vos? Mordechai Raz 505.047 508.627 a sakh mentshn geshtorbn. far kelt, far, far tsores. Max Wald 506.346 507.285 YEAH. Max Wald 508.101 508.922 YEAH. Mordechai Raz 508.627 511.137 er hot nisht gegesn fun di, fun dem restoran. Max Wald 510.717 511.487 YEAH. Max Wald 511.932 515.74 s'iz geshlogn di yidn tsi nisht? andere <iz> geshlogn di yidn tsi nisht? Mordechai Raz 515.34 518.641 ver s'hot nisht gevolt arbetn avade hot men geshlogn. Max Wald 517.01 518.624 hot men geshlogn. Max Wald 518.715 519.57 di rusn? Mordechai Raz 519.52 520.245 yo. Mordechai Raz 520.403 522.489 m'hot gemuzt geyn tsu di arbet. Max Wald 524.47 527.552 SO, UH, YOU THEN WENT TO UZBEKISTAN. Mordechai Raz 527.406 530.022 <iz men> shpeter avek in BE- UZBEKISTAN, yo. Mordechai Raz 530.022 531.942 in UZBEKISTAN Mordechai Raz 531.996 534.976 iz i- oyfn veg keyn UZBEKISTAN Mordechai Raz 534.976 537.966 iz geshtorbn mayn kleyn bruderl, der klenster. Max Wald 538.206 540.039 THIS IS WHEN YOU LEFT Mordechai Raz 539.995 543.296 WHEN WE LEFT BRIN-NAVOLOK. yo. Max Wald 541.142 543.279 WHEN YOU LEFT BRIN-NAVOLOK. Max Wald 543.758 548.038 I SEE. AND WHY DID HE PA- HOW DID HE PASS AWAY? FROM WHAT? Mordechai Raz 547.234 551.814 <ershtns> UNK <er iz> spn keyn esn iz nisht gevezn azoy gut Mordechai Raz 551.814 555.564 s'iz nisht geven fun vanet tsu esn, un oykhet iz geven groyse keltn Mordechai Raz 555.564 562.17 un, un, a kleyn kind, a BABY, hot, vi hot er gekent, er iz geven alt a yor, dakht zikh a yor. er iz shoyn arumgelofn Mordechai Raz 562.422 563.614 er iz ge- Mordechai Raz 564.075 567.039 er flegt, undz hobn mir gefle- gehat mozlen Mordechai Raz 567.653 574.262 un flegt er, er hot nisht gehat keyn mozlen, flegt er undz arum-, badinen, arumloyfn mit undz, un derlangen yeder eynem hot er derlangt Mordechai Raz 574.977 577.316 un, biz er hot bakumen difterit. Mordechai Raz 578.183 582.159 difterit iz, dos iz a min sort vos se shtikt in, in haldz Mordechai Raz 582.3 584.403 un mit de- fun dem iz er geshtorbn. Max Wald 586.637 589.86 SO vi lang hostu gegangen fun eh Max Wald 589.86 592.397 d- biz, biz, biz gekumen tsu Kotlas? Max Wald 592.397 594.72 dos ge- dem ershtn mol kumt tsu Kotlas, s'iz EH Max Wald 594.72 596.172 DID YOU GO TO SOMEWHERE ELSE? Mordechai Raz 595.783 599.928 neyn, glaykh fun Brin-Navolok fun, fun UNK men geforn tsu Kotlas. Max Wald 599.597 600.384 mhm. Max Wald 600.627 602.46 IS KOTLAS A BIG TOWN? Mordechai Raz 602.145 603.995 KOTLAS IS A BIG TOWN. Max Wald 604.187 605.885 AND WHAT DID YOU DO THERE? Mordechai Raz 605.284 610.695 dort hot men getrofn dem tatn, un fun dortn iz men geforn dakht zikh mit di ban Mordechai Raz 610.92 612.838 keyn Uzbekistan. Max Wald 615.156 618.39 AND DID A LOT OF yidn GO TO UZBEKISTAN? Mordechai Raz 618.902 624.279 yo, kimat ale zenen gegangen in, in MIDDLE, in MIDDLE Azye. Max Wald 620.792 621.764 ale? Max Wald 623.458 624.312 hm. Mordechai Raz 624.42 628.717 Uzbekistan, Tadzhikstan, un Turkestan. Mordechai Raz 628.858 631.906 vu, m'iz gegangen in di al- in di ale lender. Max Wald 632.267 639.77 SO DID YOU AT THAT AGE HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN POLAND? DID YOU HA- DID YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT WAS HAPPENING? Mordechai Raz 636.655 638.471 IN POLAND? Mordechai Raz 638.933 641.34 m'hot gehert, m'hot gehert vos se tut zikh. Max Wald 640.924 641.626 mh. Mordechai Raz 642.392 645.254 nokh nisht geven azoy zikher, ober m'hot gehert. Max Wald 646.847 650.655 AND AH, IN KOTLAS, HOW LONG DID YOU STAY IN KOTLAS FOR? Mordechai Raz 650.745 653.557 in Kotlas iz men nisht geven lang. Mordechai Raz 653.952 657.118 ikh veys nisht tsi a tog tsvey, ikh veys nisht, a vokh Max Wald 656.803 657.522 hm. Mordechai Raz 658.018 659.362 ikh veys nisht vi lang. Max Wald 658.204 661.843 YOU MUST HAVE BEEN VERY PLEASED TO, TO SEE YOUR FATHER. Mordechai Raz 661.663 662.602 tsk yo. Mordechai Raz 662.963 665.184 geven, simkhe iz geven zeyer groys. Max Wald 665.663 668.525 WERE THERE ANY OTHER RELATIVES TOGETHER WITH HIM? Mordechai Raz 669.19 670.534 ehm Mordechai Raz 671.552 676.136 ikh meyn az, az zayn tate un mame zenen gevezn oykhet dortn Mordechai Raz 676.48 679.562 m'hot zikh getrofn mit zey, zenen geven in a ander posholek Mordechai Raz 679.855 683.207 farshikt, un shpeter hot men zikh getrofn mit zey tsuzamen. Mordechai Raz 684.31 689.518 un z- zey zenen geforn in, oykhet in Uzbekistan, ober geven in a ander shtot. Mordechai Raz 689.997 694.295 un dortn iz geshtorbn d- mayn bobe. mayn tatn's mame Mordechai Raz 694.295 698.543 iz geshtorbn dortn far hunger, zi hot nisht gehat vos tsu esn, e- in a kolkhoz. Mordechai Raz 698.575 700.446 a kolkhoz, veyst ir vos dos iz? Mordechai Raz 700.78 706.275 dos iz aza min sort KIBBUTS, ge- S- STALIN'S KIBBUTSIM, veyst ir vos dos iz? Mordechai Raz 706.652 711.05 un dortn iz, iz ge- iz geven hunger. m'hot nisht gegat vos tsu esn. Mordechai Raz 711.158 712.535 iz zi geshtorbn. Max Wald 714.263 718.847 SO fun KOTLAS, HOW DID YOU GO TO, WHERE DID YOU GO TO FROM KOTLAS? Mordechai Raz 719.005 721.986 fun Kotlas zenen mir geforn keyn Uzbekistan. Max Wald 721.958 723.234 AND WHERE? Mordechai Raz 722.143 724.061 keyn KA- KATTAKURGAN. Max Wald 723.628 725.039 KATTAKURGAN? Mordechai Raz 724.81 725.647 yo. Max Wald 725.603 727.352 AND HOW DID YOU TRAVEL THERE? Mordechai Raz 727.594 728.921 mit di ban. Mordechai Raz 729.053 730.666 mit di ban. yo. Max Wald 729.113 732.229 THE TRAIN. THERE WAS A TRAIN ALL THE WAY THERE, YEAH? Mordechai Raz 731.696 733.481 I THINK SO, YEAH. mit di ban. Max Wald 735.441 739.591 AND WHAT DID YOU HAVE WITH YOU? DID YOU HAVE MANY PERSONAL BELONGINGS WITH YOU? Max Wald 739.591 743.032 host gehat skhakh skhoyre? tsu esn? host gehat? Mordechai Raz 743.052 744.615 yo, m'hot gegesn Mordechai Raz 744.857 747.787 vos mit undz arayngevorfn in di ban. Mordechai Raz 748.266 749.897 ot dos hot men gegesn. Mordechai Raz 750.797 755.769 m- me flegt a- aroployfn ale mol oyf, oyf a STATION. Mordechai Raz 756.18 758.368 oyf a STATION flegt men aroployfn Mordechai Raz 758.526 762.924 un koyfn epes, vos m'hot gekent hot men ge-, hot men ge- arayngebrengt. Max Wald 761.85 764.257 <oyf> vos gekrigt di gelt <far> UNK? Max Wald 764.888 765.86 gedenkstu? Mordechai Raz 764.905 771.902 ikh veys shoyn, m'hot epes gehat nokh, ikh veys nisht vos, vos m'hot gehat, a fingerl tsi a zeygerl, vos m'hot gehat hot men avekgegebn. Max Wald 769.883 770.839 YEAH. Max Wald 771.402 777.488 BUT demolst iz geven fray. s'iz ge- nisht geven mitn POLICE, s'iz geven fray avu tsu geyn avu du vilst? Mordechai Raz 777.763 781.992 ikh mey- ikh gedenk nisht <vi ikh hob> UNK, vi azoy s'iz geven di, di protsedure. Mordechai Raz 782.691 785.891 ikh meyn azoy, az m'hot, m'hot geforn ale tsuzamen. Max Wald 787.483 789.974 SO WHEN YOU CAME TO KATTURGAN Max Wald 790.977 793.165 vos iz geven dortn? gedenkst? Mordechai Raz 792.602 794.16 in KATTAKURGAN Mordechai Raz 795.01 796.067 hot men Mordechai Raz 797.98 801.079 tsk hot men gehandlt. yeder eyner hot epes gehandlt. Mordechai Raz 801.709 808.318 m'hot gegebn broyt, a halbe shtikl broyt, a halbe payke broyt eh, <fun> tsvey hundert gram Mordechai Raz 808.83 815.109 shvere broyt iz gevezn, mit vaser. un dem iz men geshtanen a gantse nakht in di, IN LINE Mordechai Raz 815.109 818.077 tsu bakumen a shtikl broyt. mistome veyst ir fun dem. Mordechai Raz 818.5 824.231 un, un <oyf> a mol iz gevezn az s'iz shoyn geendikt, di broyt iz nishto, m'iz avek mit gornisht Mordechai Raz 825.098 829.429 un, un dos iz gevezn nor di vos zey hobn gehat di, di tsetelekh Max Wald 829.603 830.575 COUPON. Mordechai Raz 829.892 833.428 un d-, un der vos er hot nisht gehat keyn COUPONS hot gornisht bakumen. Mordechai Raz 833.586 838.203 far vos hot er nisht gehat keyn COUPONS? vayl er, er hot gedarft geyn in militer oder di, oder, ehm Mordechai Raz 838.868 844.362 iz nisht geven registrirt. m'iz, un undz ho'mir, geven kleyne kinder, hobn mir gehat COUPONS Mordechai Raz 844.362 850.803 un mit di COUPONS hot gekost biliker di broyt. un m'hot nor gekum- bakumen a, a, aza shtikl broyt, un m'hot nisht gekent Mordechai Raz 850.95 852.867 adurkhkumen dem tog mit dem. Mordechai Raz 853.212 854.876 iz mayn tate Mordechai Raz 854.967 856.665 tsk flegt eh Mordechai Raz 856.89 859.972 flegt zen me, me zol bakumen nokh a shtikl broyt Mordechai Raz 860.215 868.798 hot er epes, epes untergekoyft mit a shtikl skhoyre, a shtikl tekstil gegebn epes emetsn dortn un bakumen nokh a shtikl broyt. Mordechai Raz 869.158 876.357 n- far dem-o vos er hot, vos er hot bakumen e- merer broyt, vifl a, a tsveyter, merer vi di COUPONS Mordechai Raz 876.465 878.636 hot er bakumen tsen yor tfise. Mordechai Raz 879.334 882.669 tsen yor JAIL far dem. Max Wald 881.376 882.298 REALLY. Mordechai Raz 883.84 886.709 un s'iz geven a groyse hunger in tsvey un fertsikstn yor. Max Wald 886.72 889.2 SO THEY PUT HIM IN JAIL IN KATTURGAN. Mordechai Raz 888.7 891.9 in KATTURGAN, hobn gemakht a, a COURT, biz tsum COURT Mordechai Raz 892.277 893.84 biz tsum COURT Mordechai Raz 894.37 897.891 iz er, iz men bafrayt, iz er antlofn. Mordechai Raz 898.42 900.067 <bin ikh> geven vayter aleyn. Mordechai Raz 900.715 901.924 un Max Wald 903.499 907.931 WHAT SORT OF BUILDING WERE YOU LIVING IN IN KATTURGAN? Mordechai Raz 907.617 910.724 in KATTURGAN zaynen mir ge- i- z- z- iz gevezn oyf di Mordechai Raz 910.724 915.014 a- e- i- di FLOOR iz gevezn di erd in, azoy vi in Mordechai Raz 915.014 919.649 azoy vi gribelekh. a barak. Max Wald 916.071 918.529 s'iz geven a barak tsi a shtibl? Mordechai Raz 920.053 922.291 a shtibl, es iz gevezn Mordechai Raz 922.467 925.583 s'iz nisht gevezn keyn FLOOR, nisht geven keyn FLOOR in gantsn. Max Wald 923.125 929.379 vifl mentshn hot ge- yo. vifl mentshn hot geven in eyn, eyn, eyn tsimer? Mordechai Raz 928.288 933.547 mir ho- m- mir hobn getsolt dire gelt. i- ikh gedenk nisht. yo. Max Wald 932.136 934.273 host getsolt dire gelt, aha. Mordechai Raz 934.448 935.606 un Max Wald 935.055 937.766 avu hostu krign di gelt far di dire gelt? Mordechai Raz 937.08 943.655 mir hobn, m- f- fun E- fun Erets Yisroel hot mayn bruder geshikt peklekh. Max Wald 943.543 945.258 Tsvi hot geshikt. Mordechai Raz 944.421 948.033 yo. geshikt peklekh. mayn, mayn feter Mordechai Raz 948.033 950.958 hot gehat a, a GROCERY in Pesekh Tikve. Max Wald 950.513 951.266 hm. Mordechai Raz 951.34 954.877 hot ale mol geshikt epes, peklekh. shpeter Mordechai Raz 954.877 958.254 hot mayn tate organizirt e- dem JOINT Max Wald 958.107 958.894 YEAH. Mordechai Raz 958.444 961.138 er zol bakumen fun JOINT a bisl hilf. Max Wald 960.992 964.057 SO THE JOINT iz geven in KATTURGAN. Mordechai Raz 962.528 966.775 shpeter. shpeter. dos iz geven shoyn in dray un fertsikstn yor. Max Wald 966.358 967.128 ah. Mordechai Raz 966.775 970.7 in tsvey un fertsikstn yor hobn mentshn geshtorbn far hunger in di gasn. Mordechai Raz 970.948 973.085 far kelt un far hunger. Mordechai Raz 973.513 979.057 di a- di uzbekn, di goyim, hobn gehat nokh epes. yeder eyner hot er gehat bay zikh Mordechai Raz 979.057 982.648 eygn hoyz, gehat a CHICKEN, er hot gehat a ku, er hot gehat dos. Mordechai Raz 982.778 984.577 un mir hobn dokh gornisht gehat. Mordechai Raz 985.039 989.227 hobn mir, di goyim, di goyim, gehat a ku hot er gehat milekh. Max Wald 985.073 987.682 vos hobn di goyim gemakht Mordechai Raz 989.227 991.344 hot er gehat CHICKEN, hot er gehat eyer. Max Wald 990.76 993.673 voser arbet hobn zey ge- di goyim gemakht UNK? Mordechai Raz 993.375 996.817 di goyim iz gevezn farshidene BUSINESSES. yeder goy hot Max Wald 996.025 997.993 s'iz geven a groyse shtot? Mordechai Raz 997.301 998.935 yo, a groyse shtot. Max Wald 998.1 1003.916 ye. s'iz geven vos, tekstil? s'iz geven eh, vos far a arbet iz geven dortn? Mordechai Raz 1004.378 1009.13 eh, s'iz geven farshidene fabrikn, farshidene FACTORIES. Max Wald 1009.44 1012.269 INDUSTRY, THERE WAS SOME INDUSTRY THERE, YEAH. Mordechai Raz 1010.166 1011.881 yo, INDUSTRY, yo. Mordechai Raz 1012.478 1016.792 un no-, nor, nor k- tsoln fleg men z- flegt er Mordechai Raz 1017.574 1021.498 f- flegt di regirung tsoln vaser oyf kashe. ir veyst dokh vifl zey hobn getsolt. Mordechai Raz 1021.498 1025.047 fun tsoln aleyn hot men geshtorbn, a- shkheynim, undzere NEIGHBORS Mordechai Raz 1025.047 1026.488 rusishe yidn Max Wald 1025.791 1026.544 YEAH. Mordechai Raz 1026.488 1028.52 vos zenen fun Rusland, nisht keyn poylishe Mordechai Raz 1028.661 1034.332 iz geshtorbn koydem der ta- der zeyde, un shpeter di bobe, shpeter der tate un shpeter di mame Mordechai Raz 1034.332 1037.15 shpeter hot men di kinder avekgenumen in, in a Mordechai Raz 1037.15 1040.698 in a beys yesoymim. veyst ir vos dos iz? Max Wald 1040.153 1040.771 hm Mordechai Raz 1040.848 1045.59 a yesoymim hoyz, a hoyz vos, eh, on tatn un mamen. az eyner hot nist keyn tatn un mamen Max Wald 1043.781 1044.332 hm Mordechai Raz 1045.752 1048.429 vi heyst es oyf english? ORPHANING? Max Wald 1046.244 1047.52 ORPHANAGE. Mordechai Raz 1048.429 1050.924 ORPHANING? ORPHANAGE. Max Wald 1048.742 1050.288 mhm ORPHANAGE, YEAH. Mordechai Raz 1050.924 1053.128 u- un dos iz geven undzere NEIGHBORS. Mordechai Raz 1053.128 1055.225 az mir hobn gekokht lokshn Mordechai Raz 1055.225 1057.891 hot men di vaser fun di lokshn avekgegebn zey. Mordechai Raz 1058.462 1059.991 ir farshteyt vos dos iz? Max Wald 1061.55 1062.539 SO Max Wald 1062.883 1068.901 WHAT DID YOU, THIS IS EH, AH BEFORE YOUR FATHER RAN AWAY OR B- AH, AFTER? Mordechai Raz 1068.3 1070.791 dos iz BEFORE MY FATHER RUN AWAY. Max Wald 1069.6 1073.897 RIGHT. SO DID HE DO ANY WORK IN KATTURGAN? Mordechai Raz 1073.042 1075.386 er hot gearbet vifl er hot gekent. Mordechai Raz 1075.386 1077.934 er iz geven oyfn bazar, oyfn MARKET. Mordechai Raz 1078.273 1080.528 hot er eh, a bisl gehandlt Mordechai Raz 1080.99 1082.131 un Mordechai Raz 1082.222 1083.566 vos er hot gekent Mordechai Raz 1083.741 1086.452 un shpeter hot men im, hot men im Mordechai Raz 1086.778 1091.547 eh gekhapt az er hot genumen mer broyt vifl, vifl er meg Max Wald 1090.44 1092.324 YES, ir hot gezogt, yo. Mordechai Raz 1091.757 1092.595 yo. Max Wald 1092.651 1101.386 SO TELL ME, WERE, WERE YOU ALLOWED TO OUTWARDLY CARRY ON YOUR JEWISH IDENTITY? WERE YOU ALLOWED TO DAVEN? WERE YOU ALLOWED TO Max Wald 1101.51 1104.271 EH shoykhet, WERE YOU ALLOWED TO UH Mordechai Raz 1102.438 1105.362 mir, mir hobn gemakht a minyen. Mordechai Raz 1105.362 1110.233 <nisht>, in KATTAKURGAN iz gevezn a minyen. ikh veys nisht tsi s'iz geven OFFICIAL tsi nisht OFFICIAL Mordechai Raz 1110.233 1115.427 ober m'hot gedavnt. m'hot gedavnt, un m'hot nisht gehat keyn sider afile. Mordechai Raz 1115.55 1118.868 tsk peysekh baym seyder hot men nisht gehat k- undz ho'mir gehat Mordechai Raz 1119.111 1122.498 undz ho'mir yo gehat, fun Erets Yisroel bakumen dakht zikh Mordechai Raz 1122.498 1124.777 oder mir hobn mitgeshlept fun Poyln Mordechai Raz 1124.777 1126.831 <hot> eyner gekumen tsu undz Mordechai Raz 1126.831 1128.906 un hot undz gegebn fuftsik rubl Mordechai Raz 1128.906 1131.035 un tsugenumen fun undz eyn hagode Max Wald 1130.822 1131.558 hm Mordechai Raz 1131.666 1133.769 eyn hagode mit koyekh mamesh. Max Wald 1133.37 1133.904 hm Mordechai Raz 1134.079 1137.552 er, er, az zey hobn gornisht gehat, hobn zey tsugenumen fun undz Mordechai Raz 1137.552 1140.003 un hot ibergelozt fuftsik rubl yontev. Mordechai Raz 1140.407 1143.212 un, bikedey er zol makhn a seyder, er hot ni- eh Mordechai Raz 1143.212 1145.599 o- on a hagode ken men dokh nisht makhn keyn seyder. Mordechai Raz 1146.33 1149.186 azoy iz nisht geven keyn sude, az s'iz nisht geven gornisht. Mordechai Raz 1149.186 1150.476 mir, oyf a Mordechai Raz 1150.476 1155.057 mayn, mayn elterer bruder hot b- gemakht a bar mitsve, hot er bakumen fun Erets Yisroel Mordechai Raz 1155.057 1159.31 a siderl. s'iz geven aza yontev bay undz, az m'hot bakumen a siderl. Max Wald 1158.801 1159.892 eyn sider. Mordechai Raz 1159.609 1161.139 yo. s'iz nisht geven keyn sider. Max Wald 1161.18 1161.899 YEAH. Mordechai Raz 1161.467 1164.616 un OFFICIAL hot, hot men nisht getort hobn keyn sider. Mordechai Raz 1164.943 1169.78 m'hot dertseylt az di rusishe yidn, hot men getrofn bay zey a sider, hot er bakumen dray yor JAIL. Mordechai Raz 1170.293 1174.472 m'hot nisht gelozt. m'hot nisht getort, m'hot nisht gekent makhn keyn s- shul. Max Wald 1171.356 1171.907 hm. Max Wald 1174.579 1178.285 un vi hot di melamed dir gelernt? mit vos? Mordechai Raz 1177.44 1181.531 er hot gelernt far- farbahaltn. vi bald az er hot nisht gehat keyn Max Wald 1178.967 1180.058 farbahaltn. Mordechai Raz 1181.531 1183.348 COPEN, COPINS? Max Wald 1182.612 1183.416 hm Mordechai Raz 1183.523 1186.049 COPINS heyst es Max Wald 1184.164 1185.39 COUPONS. Mordechai Raz 1186.049 1188.49 hot er, hot er nisht gehat keyn broyt tsu esn, Mordechai Raz 1188.49 1192.286 hobn mir im avekgegebn di shtikl broyt, un far dem hot er undz gelernt. Mordechai Raz 1192.286 1194.092 dos iz geven di gantse WAGES. Max Wald 1193.58 1194.282 hm. Max Wald 1194.576 1195.937 WHAT WAS HIS NAME? Mordechai Raz 1196.095 1197.675 Abe S- Zis. Mordechai Raz 1197.883 1199.48 er voynt in TEL AVIV. Max Wald 1199.723 1200.831 er lebt nokh. Mordechai Raz 1199.757 1201.607 a Komarner khosid, yo. Max Wald 1202.068 1203.749 SO HE TAUGHT YOU Max Wald 1204.043 1205.151 TO Mordechai Raz 1204.077 1206.619 er hot undz gelernt eh alefbeys. Mordechai Raz 1206.743 1208.526 mir zenen gegangen tsu im Mordechai Raz 1208.802 1212.879 in, in, in a keler tsi vu, arop, keyner hot nisht gezen Mordechai Raz 1213.24 1215.782 un vayl er hot nisht getort kumen tsu undz. Max Wald 1213.915 1217.452 vifl, vifl kinder, vifl kinder hot arayngegangen tsu im? Mordechai Raz 1217.087 1218.718 undz, undz ale. Mordechai Raz 1218.977 1221.08 fir. fir zenen mir gevezn. Max Wald 1220.074 1222.177 un nor fun dayn familye. Mordechai Raz 1221.492 1223.393 un nor fun mayn familye, yo. Mordechai Raz 1223.635 1228.708 un mir hobn gelernt bay im onheyb alefbeys mit ivre un davenen. Mordechai Raz 1228.984 1230.699 shpeter hobn mir gelernt khumesh. Max Wald 1230.992 1233.416 mit, nisht, mit nisht keyn bikhlekh? Max Wald 1233.692 1235.019 oys bikhlekh? Mordechai Raz 1233.709 1238.327 ikh veys nisht tsi mir hobn gehat a bikhl tsi nisht. er hot geshribn efsher. ikh veys nisht. Max Wald 1237.455 1238.293 hm. Mordechai Raz 1239.295 1242.309 a dank dem, eh, ken ikh davenen un lernen. Mordechai Raz 1242.467 1245.595 tsk un shpeter, bin ikh aroys fun Rusland, hob ikh shoyn gekent Mordechai Raz 1245.595 1248.389 mithaltn a bisl mit, mit ale Mordechai Raz 1248.389 1250.007 gresere kinder. Mordechai Raz 1250.297 1256.248 kedey, un demolts ho- hob, hob ikh gekent sh- geyn shpeter in di groyse yeshives in Erets Yisroel. Max Wald 1256.608 1261.5 SO s'iz geven a sakh RELIGIOUS eh mentshn mit dir in KATTURGAN. Mordechai Raz 1260.355 1263.201 yo, avade, avade. yo. Max Wald 1261.635 1264.694 s'iz geven a sakh. un meynstns RELIGIOUS tsi vos? Mordechai Raz 1263.898 1266.052 meystns geven RELIGIOUS, yo. Max Wald 1264.928 1267.689 YEAH? vos iz gegangen tsuzamen mit dir. Mordechai Raz 1267.645 1270.693 z- zey zenen nisht gegangen in kheyder mit mir. yeder eyner hot Max Wald 1269.889 1272.65 nish- neyn. ver s'hot gegangen fun Max Wald 1272.792 1279.249 fun SIBERIA tsu KATTURGAN iz geven MOS- MOSTLY RELIGIOUS mentshn, yo? OKAY. Mordechai Raz 1273.416 1278.742 ah, <in> SIBERIA, yo, yo. KATTURGAN, yo. MOST IS RELIGIOUS, yo. Max Wald 1280.014 1284.041 SO uh, zey hobn nisht ge- geesn fleysh? gornisht. Mordechai Raz 1283.558 1287.345 neyn, m'hot eh, m'hot yo, yo ge- s'iz yo geven a shoykhet. Max Wald 1286.578 1287.871 s'iz geven a shoykhet. Mordechai Raz 1287.345 1290.58 s'iz geven a shoykhet vos er hot geshokhtn nisht OFFICIAL dakht zikh mir. Max Wald 1289.7 1290.588 YEAH. Mordechai Raz 1290.662 1294.621 un dos hot men tseteylt zikh. yeder eyner hot epes genumen. Max Wald 1293.953 1297.322 SO du gedenkst a mol host gehat a shtikl fleysh, yo? Mordechai Raz 1295.252 1298.735 yo. yo, yo. in KATTAKURGAN Max Wald 1297.429 1300.123 a shabes, a yontev, s'iz geven. Mordechai Raz 1299.098 1302.127 yo, in KAT- in KATTAKURGAN hot men yo gehat a shtikl fleysh. Max Wald 1301.344 1302.148 ye. Max Wald 1304.044 1307.514 vi lang hostu ge- geblibn in KATTURGAN? vifl yor? Mordechai Raz 1306.609 1309.852 in KATTAKURGAN zenen mir gevezn fir yor dakht zikh. Mordechai Raz 1309.852 1312.021 fir tsi dray tsi fir yor. Mordechai Raz 1312.178 1313.37 KATTAKURGAN. Max Wald 1313.427 1316.07 un velkhe yor, der tate iz avek velkhe yor? Mordechai Raz 1315.671 1317.234 der tate iz avek Mordechai Raz 1317.443 1318.753 in Mordechai Raz 1318.978 1324.456 tsi dray un fertsik tsi fir un fertsik, ikh gedenk shoyn nisht <vi>, iz er avek keyn Bukhare, BUKHARA. Max Wald 1323.872 1324.625 hm. Mordechai Raz 1325.003 1330.177 in BUKHARA iz er, iz er gevezn, eh, mir zenen shpeter geforn keyn BUKHARA tsu im. Mordechai Raz 1331.061 1334.632 vayl er hot nisht getort kumen tsu undz, hobn mir geforn tsu im. Mordechai Raz 1335.128 1338.429 un fun BUKHARA iz men geforn keyn Poyln. tsurik. Max Wald 1338.57 1340.336 un ven iz dos geven? Mordechai Raz 1339.6 1344.099 finef un fertsikstn yor. in may finef un fertsik iz geendikt di milkhome Max Wald 1340.545 1342.007 finef un fertsiks- Max Wald 1343.717 1347.491 YEAH. SO IN MAY FORTY-FIVE WHERE WERE YOU? Mordechai Raz 1344.443 1345.247 iz men Mordechai Raz 1347.514 1348.756 in BUKHARA. Max Wald 1349.083 1352.338 SO BEFORE THE WAR ENDED YOU TRAVELED FROM Mordechai Raz 1352.087 1354.224 fun KATTAKURGAN keyn BUKHARA. Max Wald 1352.338 1354.993 KATTURGAN TO BUKHARA. Max Wald 1355.043 1360.214 SO HOW DID YOU KNOW HE WAS IN BUKHARA? DID HE WRITE TO YOU OR WHAT? UNK geshribn a briv tsi vos? Mordechai Raz 1359.428 1362.544 avade. er hot geshribn a, geshribn briv keseyder. Max Wald 1363.208 1365.833 az, az im, zey hobn gezukht Max Wald 1365.833 1369.216 tsu araynleygn in PRISON, er hot ges- nor, er hot, er hot Max Wald 1369.274 1371.823 HE STILL COULD WRITE YOU A LETTER, NO WORRIES. Mordechai Raz 1370.7 1373.782 vayl er iz ge- er, er hot zikh gebitn dem nomen. Mordechai Raz 1374.733 1377.039 er hot gebitn dem nomen, geheysn Fridman. Max Wald 1376.708 1379.975 AH HE CHANGED HIS NAME WHEN HE F- WHEN HE UNK Mordechai Raz 1378.176 1380.785 CHANGED HIS NAME, yo. er hot opgeshoyrn di bord. Mordechai Raz 1380.91 1382.542 hot er gehat a bord. Max Wald 1381.804 1382.439 yo. Mordechai Raz 1382.542 1386.785 hot opgeshoyrn di bord, hot, er iz gegangen tsu a rebn fregn. der rebe hot im gezogt yo. Mordechai Raz 1386.785 1389.852 un, un er, un er hot genumen zikh a ander nomen. Max Wald 1389.685 1390.523 aha. Mordechai Raz 1389.955 1393.565 un, un, un mit dem iz, hot er gekent OFFICIAL Mordechai Raz 1393.565 1395.014 ekzistirn. Max Wald 1393.701 1397.723 AND IN BUKHARA er hot geven, er, er hot gekent zayn a, a Max Wald 1397.723 1402.936 UNK a yid a RELIGIOUS yid, HE COULD DO, WAS IT ANY DIFFERENT THAN KATTURGAN? Mordechai Raz 1402.797 1406.537 nisht, di zelbe zakh. s'iz nisht keyn DIFFERENCE. s'iz alts Rusland. Max Wald 1403.792 1406.553 di zelbe zakh dortn. neyn, di zelbe zakh. Max Wald 1406.813 1408.781 s'iz geven a sakh yidn dortn? Mordechai Raz 1409.108 1413.607 in B- BUKHARA? iz geven dakht zikh mer yidn vi in KATTAKURGAN, yo. Max Wald 1409.968 1411.16 BUKHARA. Max Wald 1412.365 1413.557 YEAH. Mordechai Raz 1414.052 1416.537 dort iz geven dakht zikh oykhet a yeshive. Max Wald 1414.12 1415.093 S- Max Wald 1415.959 1416.813 YEAH. Mordechai Raz 1416.537 1420.096 a yesh- a yeshive gevezn. s- a talmed toyre s'iz gevezn Mordechai Raz 1420.245 1422.702 alts farbahaltn. nisht OFFICIAL. Max Wald 1420.482 1428.829 SO, SO WHEN YOU LE- YEAH. WHEN YOU LEFT KATTURGAN, WHO WENT? JUST THE FAMILY O- a- andere mentshn iz gegangen oykhet? Mordechai Raz 1424.565 1425.369 yo. Mordechai Raz 1428.852 1431.546 in K- in d- nor undz. Max Wald 1431.467 1432.845 JUST THE FAMILY. Mordechai Raz 1432.277 1433.165 yo. Max Wald 1434.37 1436.102 SO HOW DID YOU TRAVEL? Mordechai Raz 1436.226 1439.004 m'hot geTRAVEL mit a, mit a Mordechai Raz 1439.533 1442.75 mit a, a tsveyter yid hot gehat a TRUCK Mordechai Raz 1442.875 1444.556 un er hot undz genumen. Mordechai Raz 1445.254 1446.918 er hot undz genumen. Max Wald 1445.946 1447.864 gedenkst der nomen fun der yid? Mordechai Raz 1447.363 1449.297 n- ver gedenkt <dem> nomen? Mordechai Raz 1449.49 1450.614 un Mordechai Raz 1451.38 1453.821 er hot undz genumen biz a halbn veg Max Wald 1453.472 1455.828 vi alt hostu geven dortn demolt? Mordechai Raz 1456.51 1457.955 ikh veys, tsen yor. Max Wald 1457.742 1459.288 YEAH, nayn, tsen yor. Mordechai Raz 1458.687 1460.335 yo, un Mordechai Raz 1460.83 1463.124 s'iz geven a fabrik fun tsuker dortn. Mordechai Raz 1463.124 1466.418 dort hot men geshtopt, un er hot un- iz gekumen a tsveyter yid Mordechai Raz 1466.668 1469.362 un <zey hobn undz> genumen fun dortn keyn, keyn BUKHARA. Max Wald 1469.284 1473.007 aha. SO er hot, er hot genumen un iz bahaltn dir. Mordechai Raz 1470.246 1471.32 yo. Mordechai Raz 1472.811 1473.682 yo. Max Wald 1473.402 1477.26 un n- nakher a, nokh a TRUCK hot gekumen. I SEE. Mordechai Raz 1475.781 1476.889 yo. Mordechai Raz 1477.047 1480.466 fargesn, di fabrik fun tsuker, s'iz gevezn Mordechai Raz 1480.624 1482.558 a shtetl, fargesn. Max Wald 1482.7 1483.537 ALL RIGHT. Max Wald 1483.797 1486.609 SO YOU COME TO BUKHARA AND S- Mordechai Raz 1485.83 1488.498 gekumen <in> BUKHARA, hobn mir gevoynt undz tsuzamen Max Wald 1488.353 1489.646 mitn tatn. Mordechai Raz 1488.842 1490.236 mitn tatn. Mordechai Raz 1490.766 1491.789 un Max Wald 1493.382 1496.734 un vos hot er gemakht in BUKHARA? vos hot er geton? Mordechai Raz 1497.212 1499.838 er hot a bisl gehandlt, a bisl Mordechai Raz 1500.486 1505.07 mir hobn, vos mir hobn bakumen fun Erets Yisroel hot men farkoyft. Mordechai Raz 1505.43 1508.276 un me, un, <zey, zey hobn> gevolt shikn undz Mordechai Raz 1508.276 1511.805 keyn Erets Yisroel OFFICIAL, di kinder. s'iz geven epes kinder Mordechai Raz 1511.805 1514.188 fun, fun Mordechai Raz 1514.188 1516.815 TEHERAN. YALDEI TEHERAN hot dos geheysn. Mordechai Raz 1517.057 1522.947 vos mir hobn ge- m- m'hot genumen di ale kinder, yesoymim, vos <es> zenen geshtorbn di eltern Mordechai Raz 1522.947 1525.44 hot men avekgeshikt keyn Erets Yisroel, keyn TEHERAN. Mordechai Raz 1525.95 1530.56 hot men undz, undz oykhet gevolt shikn ahin. tsum sof hot men undz nisht geshikt ahin. Mordechai Raz 1530.56 1533.296 di tate mame hobn, hobn nisht geshikt. Mordechai Raz 1533.578 1536.255 s'hot geheysn az mir, mir forn keyn TEHERAN. Mordechai Raz 1536.615 1538.512 ven mir forn keyn TEHERAN Mordechai Raz 1538.512 1540.461 voltn <mir ale> geven in a KIBBUTS Mordechai Raz 1540.461 1543.895 volt men geven <azoy ot> a goy, azoy vi, az di rusn. Mordechai Raz 1543.895 1548.742 di zelbe zakh, vayl zey hobn dokh ale fun y-, fun di TEHERAN, hobn zey alts arayn in di KIBBUTSIM. Mordechai Raz 1549.137 1552.371 un, un, un dortn hot men zey gemakht far gantse goyim. Max Wald 1553.541 1556.859 SO EH HOW LONG WERE YOU IN BUKHARA FOR? Mordechai Raz 1557.017 1561.213 in BUKHARA zenen mir gevezn, ikh veys nisht, a yor, tsvey yor, ikh gedenk shoyn nisht vifl. Max Wald 1560.274 1562.867 hm. <biz> UNK Mordechai Raz 1561.692 1565.938 biz, biz tsu, biz tsu di bafrayung. biz tsu ende milkhome. Max Wald 1564.138 1565.937 biz di bafrayung Max Wald 1566.484 1570.46 SO WHAT NEWS DID YOU GET WHILE YOU WERE THERE FROM Max Wald 1571.007 1574.359 FROM EUROPE? DID YOU HEAR ANY MORE Mordechai Raz 1573.217 1575.417 yo, mir hobn gehert, me Mordechai Raz 1575.417 1578.954 mir hobn gehert vos se tut zikh in EUROPE. s'iz gevezn geferlekh. Max Wald 1577.402 1578.256 YEAH. Mordechai Raz 1579.444 1580.568 geferlekh. Max Wald 1580.44 1584.923 HOW DID YOU GET THAT NEWS? THROUGH NEWSPAPERS? WERE THERE RADIOS IN BUKHARA? Mordechai Raz 1585.485 1586.626 eh, misto- Max Wald 1585.502 1589.833 W- HOW, HOW DID THE NEWS, WERE THERE ANY JEWISH NEWSPAPERS IN BUKHARA, NO? Mordechai Raz 1589.434 1592.544 neyn, s'iz nisht geven keyn JEWISH, JEWISH NEWSPAPERS. Mordechai Raz 1592.544 1596.912 nor mir hobn gehert fun di goyishe NEWSPAPERS, fun di, fun radyo. Mordechai Raz 1596.994 1601.375 s'iz geven a radyo in CORNER fun shtub, un vos Stalin hot gezogt Max Wald 1600.926 1601.865 aha Mordechai Raz 1601.483 1604.194 dos hot men gehert. m'hot nisht gekent dreyen. Mordechai Raz 1604.625 1606.073 un dos hot men Max Wald 1605.06 1608.429 dos iz geven oyfn gas OR in shtub? in shtub. Mordechai Raz 1606.86 1609.625 in shtub. in shtub fun a CORNER. Max Wald 1609.212 1610.05 aha. Mordechai Raz 1609.625 1612.947 lebn di tir iz gevezn a GLOSHNIK hot dos geheysn. Max Wald 1612.688 1613.66 A SPEAKER. Mordechai Raz 1612.947 1614.572 in, SPEAKER. Mordechai Raz 1614.572 1617.168 un dos hot men gehert vos Stalin hot gezogt. Mordechai Raz 1617.582 1620.141 un vos Stalin hot nisht gezogt hot men nisht gevust. spn Max Wald 1622.037 1628.443 SO YOU GOT NEWS FROM THIS, DID YOU? OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING FROM AROUND THE WORLD, WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN EUROPE AND THE WAR? Mordechai Raz 1626.812 1630.349 neyn, m'hot nisht getort, m'hot nisht getort hobn keyn radyo. vos redt ir? Max Wald 1629.006 1630.805 aha. Mordechai Raz 1631.014 1632.24 in Rusland. Max Wald 1636.65 1640.626 SO HOW DID YOU KNOW THAT, HOW DID YOU FIND OUT THAT THE WAR WAS FINISHED? Mordechai Raz 1641.004 1646.651 ah, nu? d- d- gants Rusland hot zikh gefreyt. m'iz gegangen marshirn mit Mordechai Raz 1646.927 1650.751 mit, in di gasn. m'hot gemakht a gantse PARADE. Max Wald 1650.184 1650.92 mh. Mordechai Raz 1651.433 1652.203 s'iz geven Max Wald 1651.433 1655.122 s'iz geven Rusland, eh, rusishe soldatn tsi vos? Mordechai Raz 1654.588 1657.906 yo, di rusishe, di GOVERNMENT, di, di Mordechai Raz 1658.098 1663.509 di CITY COUNCIL. m'hot gemakht a gantse PARADE vegn dem. dem nayntn may. ikh gedenk shoyn nisht. Max Wald 1662.722 1663.509 mh. Max Wald 1665.912 1668.521 AND SO WHAT DID YOU D- FAMILY DO FROM THEN? Mordechai Raz 1669.236 1672.165 iz men f- <hot men dokh> farshribn tsurik keyn Poyln. Mordechai Raz 1672.165 1673.981 az me vil forn tsurik keyn Poyln. Max Wald 1673.758 1681.261 SO WERE THERE JEWISH ORGANIZATIONS IN BUKHARA TO HELP YOU GO WHERE YOU WANTED TO GO? WAS THERE AN ORGANIZED COMMUNITY? Mordechai Raz 1680.407 1683.084 yo, s'iz geven di JOINT, <iz men shoyn>, shoyn gevezn Max Wald 1682.837 1684.974 dortn iz geven der JOINT oykhet. Mordechai Raz 1683.951 1688.753 di JOINT, yo, un m'hot, un me, <yo>, hot erleydikt, farshribn di ale poylishe birger Mordechai Raz 1688.753 1690.032 kenen aroysforn Mordechai Raz 1690.414 1693.884 ober m'iz, mitgeshlept zikh a bisl rusishe birger oykhet. Max Wald 1693.502 1694.188 hm. Mordechai Raz 1694.16 1696.331 farshidene. s- veyst dokh vi se geyt. Mordechai Raz 1696.658 1702.018 ober der iker es zenen aroysgeforn di poylishe birger, un es iz geven azelkhe vos zenen geblibn dortn, poylishe birger oykhet. Max Wald 1701.72 1702.676 UNK. Mordechai Raz 1702.159 1703.891 biz hayntikn tog. Max Wald 1703.087 1703.891 yo. Max Wald 1704.387 1707.013 SO UH, WHERE DID YOU COME TO? Mordechai Raz 1707.492 1711.139 mir zenen gekumen fun Rusland, zenen mir geforn a gantsn khoydesh. Mordechai Raz 1711.139 1713.191 draysik tog iz men geforn Mordechai Raz 1713.195 1716.479 tsi, tsi dray vokhn, m'iz geforn mit di ban keyn Poyln. Max Wald 1716.182 1716.885 mh. Mordechai Raz 1716.79 1718.606 azoy geshlept zikh azoy. Mordechai Raz 1718.899 1720.968 un m'iz ongekumen Max Wald 1719.793 1722.774 s'iz geven a sakh hot geforn tsuzamen mit dir? Mordechai Raz 1722.342 1724.749 yo, bloyz yidn iz geforn. Max Wald 1723.827 1725.424 bloyz yidn oyfn ban. Mordechai Raz 1724.839 1728.766 yo, un oyfn veg iz men ge- opgetretn in Lemberg Mordechai Raz 1728.766 1731.399 adurkhgeforn Lemberg, shpeter <iz di ban> ongekumen Mordechai Raz 1731.927 1734.688 biz BYTOM. m'iz nisht geforn Mordechai Raz 1735.167 1737.321 m'iz nisht geforn tsu, tsu in Mordechai Raz 1738.018 1739.294 tsu in Mordechai Raz 1739.402 1744.056 tsurik tsu, tsu vu m'iz geboyrn iz men nisht geforn. m'hot moyre gehat, m'vet hargenen. Max Wald 1744.785 1746.267 I'M STOPPING TAPE TWO THEN.