Talk in Stockwell, 1977-12-01 Shri Mataji: Again goes it down, again comes up, again goes down like that, you see, settle there like clouds, but sometimes when it pierces it with a force, then you get this kind of an experience, it’s a very, very exciting experience, I should say. (Shri Mataji is laughing) Yogis: [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: better, better be seated with some questions, because we’ll give him Realization to begin with. He’s the only one who has not got, who else has come for the first time here? Newcomer: My first time. Shri Mataji: First of all let’s give them Realization, and then we will see, you come here, can you sit on the ground for a while? Newcomer: Yes.Shri Mataji: Alright, alright. Please sit. And who else?She’s all right there, She (?) where do you stay. You see, they do a particular thing in a particular manner, to your Kundalini, and that [to] any chakras.And what - I have to do this to master the map of curing (?with), you see.Every time I find a new Guru, now this time yours, this Guru Rajo is absolutely a new fellow, But I will manage that also. Newcomer: Mataji, I've been doing good things to the chakras as well.Shri Mataji: It’s terrible, it’s all wrong, absolutely wrong, what is wrong, I will tell you, very simple thing, that sex has nothing to do with God. Sex is not meant for achieving your higher needs, you know, that’s for baser things, not for higher things. Sex plays no part at all, on the contrary, you have to be an innocent person when you are coming for the (?union). Because Kundalini is your own Mother, and you would not like to have anything to do with her, as far the sex is concern. It is absurd, it is perversion, and this is what it is. By doing all these things, they put sex on the Mother, She is the only Mother you have, and you are the only child She has, and She keeps on with you, through all, for days together, for years together, for ages together, in all your births She has been with you, and to insult Her like this, is too much. I mean, one of the greatest sins is, to do sex on Her, and that to Kundalini, which is the purest form of Mother. Newcomer: I don’t understand the connection between, Guru Raj and sex. Yogi: (unclear) Rajnesh. Shri Mataji: absolutely ... Newcomer: this is Guru Raj and ...[UNCLEAR] Yogini: But he also [UNCLEAR]Shri Mataji: ...with the heart Yogini: He also did the Mooladhara...it’s also wrong. Shri Mataji: ... style, Guru Raj, yes, I see. But, Guru Raj also, the same.Now, this is the sex part, alright? Then the heart, you see? He says you give your heart towards the mandala, and things like that, but now, the thing is unless until you are connected, how can you do it? You see, if you try to say that - now, I tell you that you must telephone to someone, and the connection is not established. , what are you doing ...? Newcomer: But the connection must be there to some extent ... Shri Mataji: no, no, not at all, it is not at all, you see that mean point, you must understand, the connection of God in a very different manner, you see. We are guided through Him and all that, because you are all saints that’s why, but you are given complete freedom to choose, you have to have a completely freedom, otherwise you do not choose. Choice in freedom, means, a complete freedom in the (?world).. Absolutely, you will be surprised. If you want you can hit yourself, if you want you can ask a boon to hit yourself, or if you want you can rise. So it is absolute freedom given to you, There’s no, no, not at all! He doesn’t hold your hand anywhere, of course if you are a good man if you understand, if you are religious He guides you, He is there to help you, He looks after you, but He will not in any way give you a guidance that will hamper your freedom. No, you are free to choose, because He has to develop you. You see, like we are teaching somebody swimming, first you tell him - all right, - do a little bit like this, and then you just leave him at that time you have to leave completely. In the same way, in the earliest ages when we were animals He were looking after us, He’s holding our hands, He’s taking us down and doing everything. But when we are human beings He says - now you try, otherwise you won’t be good swimmers. First you have to be good swimmers. So, complete freedom is giving to you. You see, complete, that’s what we don’t understand! [It] is so much complete that He cannot supersede our freedom, you know that? Supposing you don’t want to get [the] Realization. I cannot give you. He cannot. Nobody can. Your freedom is respected. Your freedom is beyond, in this you are supreme, imagine, how He has placed you. So, you just tell Him, you have to get your Realization, and Realization you’ll get by your freedom, when you understand what is wisdom. Not to go to any extremes, not to be so frankly, the way we are frankly. Come along, come along, come. Come along, here is a lot of space, come along. How are you? He is all the time now enjoy, I can see that clearly, ha, very good.So the freedom has to be understood, that it is bestowed upon us, because we are responsible, God thinks we are matured enough, you are a good swimmer, that’s why He gives us. And how has He to judge our maturity? It’s only by freedom, a complete freedom. So, when he (the false guru) says, that you take out your heart and put it on the mandala, you see, then what happens? You are doing it absolutely, - first of all he has no authority, He’s not authorised. And everybody’s heart you cannot (?), Kundalini is at the base here, Triangular bone, now, what the use of putting the hearts somewhere? When the Kundalini is standing there, what are you putting there? Kundalini, supposing the coil of the, the coil of this stage, it’s placed that side. Now what are you taking out from here? Maybe some (?other) instrument which will be required later on, it is absolutely mishandling of the instrument, completely. Newcomer: What he says is happening. As you’re working on one particular block in the instrument. Shri Mataji: (unclear) Newcomer: what he is saying is that to some extent, Kundalini must be flow anywhere, otherwise you would not have realized, there are certain blocks in some chakras .... Shri Mataji: He doesn’t know, he doesn’t know, he doesn’t know. You can see for yourself that in a person who is not Realized, Kundalini is sleeping. He doesn’t know even the basis. He doesn’t know even the basis of Kundalini, She is sleeping just like a primula in a seed. Primula is never flowing, it is weak, till that water of love comes to the Kundalini, till She is assured, She is not going to rise She is waiting for Her time, it is not all the time flowing, it’s a wrong, it’s a wrong idea, absolutely wrong, (?) . , And it’s written down in all the scriptures if he has read any scripture about Kundalini, it is said that She is a dormant being. She is lying there, absolutely sleeping in such sleeping conditions, in some of them, in his case, it is frozen. In his own case, is frozen.You see, it might be, you see, when I saw his first photograph, I felt that he might have been a Realized soul, might have been, I felt that way. But the way you see, he is not such a good Realized person or anything, I think he became ambitions or something like that, without even going deep in to it, he started doing this work, and the Kundalini now is frozen, even a person, now you get Realization. I have got people who got Realization through Sahaja Yoga, some of them, but they went back into hell. Yes, you can! If you have to go further on, then you have to know, that it is can only be done by going deep into it, understanding it, what is that, properly. I can put you to connection, alright. But I cannot keep it there, it can fall down. It can fall down. It falls in many people. Especially people who were coming from Gurus, you will yourself face it later on. When you’ll [be] working on people, you will find it. It falls down, then you will have to take it up and tied (?) . But only a Realized Soul can do it, nobody else, you see, now mandala also, the mantras also, it’s a big science, and it’s a living science, do we understand the meaning of the word living science? We don’t understand. Living science means, a Kundalini supposing now it rises, in your case, supposing it has come up to the Agnya just now it’s in the Agnya but, it might fall down, possibly, it’s a living science, because it’s living, it has moved up to Agnya, but it’s going down all the time, means you have to stop it at Agnya, so I have to, - whatever mantra have to do it’s (?) not of heart, wherever it is, it’s very simple thing to understand, supposing you have gone, you are going in a car, now you are stuck up say in a, say in a Piccadilly. Let us take that. I know, very few names of (?). And then you are calling the police say from, from Westerns Square or some other place, then it’s wrong. You have to call in the people who are in the Piccadilly to help you out, they are not supposed to do this.So, first of all you should know where is your Kundalini, that’s he does not know, he does not know how to rise it, all right, he does not know which chakra (?) ... hallo (to a newcomer) Yogis: this is Martin, he has not been here before, he is a friend of ... Shri Mataji: you see, this is the things, you cannot just conceptualize it, you cannot make it programmed, no! It works on its own, wherever is the problem, it has come. Now for both of the cases is, right heart, left heart, moving on, is there. Now, just now the Kundalini is moving to that chakra and then it doesn’t move up, because it is spreading into these two places which are spoiled, you have removed the energy whatever was there to such an extent that there is a big, sort of need, or it to be alright, to be sustained, those centres are to be alright. So, the Kundalini moves there, because has to be sustained. Could we have Martin over there?, with that you are alright, you can put your hands like this, alright? While I am speaking it will work out, then the Kundalini fills it, repairs it, and then goes up.It’s like a river flowing, you know? If it finds there are ditches around, it fills the ditches on this side, the flow is less, then again after filling it then again another force comes though it, now in this hand the force is coming up, you see? Now, then it goes, and then it goes up, then it goes to Agnya, now it has moved to Agnya. From Agnya it spreads like this, it goes down again, feeds your sympathetic, but some people who have a very simple Kundalini, simple thing, now their Kundalini just shoots up, and they never even lose it, we have many people like that, just is there, never a problem! Never a problem. So we have styles, and styles and types, and types. But the only problem, you see, with these (?spirits) is, that they get, - look so much identified, that’s very difficult. You get identified with them, they don’t do any good to you, they spoil your Kundalini and you are identified with them, is such a troublesome thing for Me, to get you disidentified, to make you understand that (?)Now what should we expect, you see is the thing, we must know what we have to expect (?from the) Kundalini. Now all the scriptures, scriptures I say not any Dick, Tom and Harry writing about k Kundalini, anybody like (?Avon ) has written such a big book, you know there is a book written by (?Mr. Avon ), such a big book, I never read it, but there is an ambassador who had read it, and he told Me, it’s most surprising that this gentleman has written that the Kundalini, you see, it starts from the centre, and he said that it goes like this in the front side, you see, through this cervical plexus and all these plexuses outside in the gross. It's a fundamental thing that it is in a subtler way, of course, as much as I know, no scriptures have yet described It. That’s for sure, I’m sorry, but it is, - into such details, into such way, nobody had described It. Of course part of it has been described, and all that, and from that at least You should remember one thing, that when the Kundalini rises, you should see the pulsation rising, dilatation of the pupil it's must take place, you go into thoughtless awareness, and then you jump, when you cross this point you get a soft (?mass) here, and then you get the cool breeze, in the hands also you get the cool breeze. It is described by Shankaracharya, Adi Shankaracharya! New ones are all boggles people, most of them are. (Shri Mataji is laughing) The less the better. She was telling Me one of them is a smuggler, so you can imagine what sort of Shankaracharya as we are getting nowadays.So, this is how they are. , So, what we expect is, that a collective consciousness that is what they have to achieve. Samuhik chaitanya. Now the thing is, even - I mean, if you read scriptures like Bible, in that also you will see that the description of the Kundalini is giving by secretive manner, but is very clear, for example, they say ‘I will appear before you like tongues of flames.’ That’s the Kundalini.Then Christ said, somebody touched Him, that ‘my energy has passed into that person.’ It’s a clear-cut thing, absolutely clear-cut, and the one who has authority, despite that I would say, one who, which he will not understand why it’s happening but, gradually will know. But even the, I have seen very great saints, like Gagangiri Maharaj he cannot give Realization the way you can give, he takes at least 5 to 6 years, for one person, he works, and now he is fed up, he said - ‘now I’m not going to work.’ He worked on one person for 25 years. I asked his stories, He said (?now I’ll put everything on a tape). And he said that ‘this fellow, I’m now fed up, now I’m not going to give Realization to anybody, You are a Mother you go on and give.... (?) You are the Power You can do it, but I’m not going to give.’I said, why, what happened? He was very angry with that fellow. He said, ‘You see I gave him 25 years of my precious life, I gave him (?), one by one every Kundalini I raised it, I cleared him, I did everything, and now he has become fond of women and money, and he’s (?) This fellow, I happened to meet once, one of my disciples, she had invited him, (?) and she said Mataji his coming, he would like to come. I said, why he would (?like to come? Let’s see).He was sitting before Me like this, smoking, and all that. And, (?) of course, he came up and he touched My Feet, (?) because he knows who I am, so is alright, Then I said (?) I was just (?keeping, and he was talking like this very great) And he tells Me that- ‘ Now, you see my Guru has lost all his powers.’ I said why? He’s came to Bombay and I asked him - are you coming to Bombay? And he said, ‘I must, see, Mataji is coming, so I must come and see Her. He said - You know, now he wants to come to the city, and ... I said, Why are you here? And I said - Why do you say anything against your Guru?You shouldn’t say, because you know he is a very great Soul and was worked on you for 25 years, and you talk ill about him. You should not have done!So he said, no, no, because you know, he was like this, and he was like that, he was telling Me.So I played My tricks on him, - I said alright, now I’m going away, so I will put some tikka on you, so I put tikka on his (? forehead), then I said now you can put some on Me, as soon as he put his hand here, I sucked it, you see, he couldn’t (?take it back) He said, ‘Mataji, what are You doing?’ The whole body started shaking, I said, now please promise that you will not say a word against your Guru, because he is a great (?man). He is John the Baptist, born again, About him, I’m telling you. Shri Mataji: (towards somebody who just come in). Hello, come along!And about him, he was telling, so he said that, - now I’m not, for 12 years I’m going to be (?) ... and when my Sahaja yogis went there, he said, - ‘how many people, ... you raised your hands, how many are going to give their lives for Mataji?’Like that, he was talking. Yogini: I feel so sorry...Shri Mataji: it's alright, it’s alright, it’s alright. Yogini: be careful ...Shri Mataji: what did you say?Yogini: be careful with this table...Shri Mataji: I could make, you see, I had never seen (?) newer I see one. ... I have not seen many of them, actually they know about Me, and they talk about Me, somebody goes there abroad, [in] Himalayas, also somebody told about Me, but I don’t know, who are they, but if I meet theirs disciples I know that this fellow has got (?) , because their Kundalini are not disturbed. First thing, they will never disturb the Kundalini because they know it's the greatest sin! Newcomer: Mataji, is terribly confusing...Shri Mataji: but one thing I’ll tell you... what’s your name you say?Newcomer: my name is Robert.Shri Mataji: Robert. Now Robert, I’ll tell you one thing, Kundalini you can not understand through your brain, alright? Firstly. Let it happened, let it happened, that’s the thing you are born for, to get it from Me. You cannot rationalize it, it's confused, because you cannot understand something unlimited through a limited brain, that is your brain.Robert: that is easy to accept, when once that ...Shri Mataji: but let it happen, let it happen, you just let it happen, you just allow your self to be that, alright, let it happen.Because that’s very important, the more you cooperate with Me, the better it will be. Is just to allow, you tell your mind, you have let me no where, now keep quiet for a while. It’s a horse, you know, it's a horse and a naughty one, it knows its master, if you allow me to eat grass, it will eat grass, but if you tell him, now, please be careful and alert, I have to go, I have to go ahead (?). Just tell him, behave itself, and it will be alright. The mind is a very tricky monkey, (?) so, now, don’t play in the hands of monkey, because it’s led you nowhere. Just, now, you listen, it will work out, and once it works out then you tell Me, Vincent was much worse than you. (Shri Mataji is laughing) He argued with Me for how many days? I think 2 days or something like that, and (?) you know, and now he is alright, (?) So, I want you to share back, all right?Shri Mataji: Ha, so, how is it? It’s left out.Yogini: Mm, enrooted.Shri Mataji: apart from that, did you do Hatha yoga, and all that?Newcomer: I did TM for about four years.Shri Mataji: TM?Newcomer: Now I reach at the 4 years. Yogini: (inaudible) Shri Mataji: you keep your eyes open, alright? You cannot close your eyes before Me, if you try to close them, they will go on like that. All of them had the same problem, you can ask Ingrid, she will tell you. She had the same problems, her eyes used to be like this.Now are you alright Ingrid?Nothing upsetting now, we managed it. I must say, I’m so very happy, it will be a big news in India, because not one person from that horrible TM I could give Realization, only one person we gave and, he is after all, the artist all the musicians, and all the big businesspeople and bureaucrats. Yogini: left Swadhishthana is ...Shri Mataji: Are you an artist?Newcomer: no, I’m an actor.Shri Mataji: actor. (after a while) Are you better? In a way? Just see him, he will get the fastest, before all of them, because he has not yet been to any Gurus. (Shri Mataji is laughing) Is he alright?Newcomer 2 : I think he just got the same problem as me.Shri Mataji: A yes, that’s why, that’s why. Robert: Shri Mataji, why did you say ’that horrible TM', I did TM for 8 years, and I enjoyed it so much. Shri Mataji: Yes, that’s the thing, you see, one enjoyed even drinking very much, but I had to say it’s horrible, It’s like drinking (?) , you see? Turn around, turn around, It’s like drinking, you will see that, but now you will say the same thing, when you will get somebody coming from TM, you will say no, no I’m not going to put my hands towards him, (Shri Mataji is laughing) you will get burned, just asking her, do like this, burning, hands coming this thing, look at their faces, you see that...All kinds of terrible acting are going on there. Ha. ...Yogini: so strong ...Shri Mataji: deep, very deep.Yogi: He has asthma too.Shri Mataji: Hm? Yogi: he has asthma. Shri Mataji: (?) is it? Now, will you hold your breath, could you hold your breath? Put both hands under My Feet, hold your breath, let’s see.Yogis are laughing....Shri Mataji: what happened?Yogis: Shri Mataji we got a gift in the bag...laughing...lovely, this is beautiful, come on...Shri Mataji: oh, God! (?) Thank you, thank you very much!! May God bless you! Thank you!How are your ... visitors?Yogis: laughing...Shri Mataji: hold your breath,Yogi: nice.Shri Mataji: Nice you have to be, alright? Now I already (?tied) Now?Yogini: Better is ye,Shri Mataji: now you can give up your breath...Shri Mataji: now, give it up, now better?Yogis: much better, it should be... he smokes so...Shri Mataji: you smoke?Somebody: and singsShri Mataji: and sings, then got asthma. that’s all, not much.(Shri Mataji addressing to someone else) He came to my lecture? (?)Newcomer 3: I’ve just come...[UNCLEAR] ... seriouslyShri Mataji: how did you come,Newcomer 3: [UNCLEAR]Shri Mataji: [UNCLEAR] ... what happened , then what happened?Newcomer 3: I came on the underground.Shri Mataji: underground, and how did you come here? Somebody told you about Me?Newcomer 3: (unclear...? A Pick Quick ...Yogini: Ah, a Pick Quick a music ... laughing Shri Mataji explains about the subtle system: (unclear) so, lots of area is left here and lots of area left there little area left there, and little area left (?) Now, down below, the area left, say is the hell. But it has got 7 strata, the hell exists, absolutely! It is very well described by Mahavira, who was a contemporary of Buddha. He has described it very clearly, what sort of a thing is the hell! I would not like to describe it, because it’s so terrible, it’s so filth, it’s so dangerous, it’s so violent, it’s terrible! And when they say that people go to hell, really they do, no doubt. It's an existence, which is worse than that of a stone we can say, but a stone at least is not aware, but here you are aware of it. Now you think of yourself as you are, with your awareness of a human awareness, and if you are made to live in a gutter. But this is nothing, this is nothing than what hell is, if you are made to lay inside with your head going into the gutter, it is nothing that I'm describing, nothing, it's thousand times worse than that. Then there are 7 strata’s, in which there is different, different types of hell, one worse than the other. It is like a reformable school of very intensive style, a certain intensive thing it is, that you cannot imagine, what sort of a thing it could be. So, but when people talked of hell, actually, they wanted to frighten people also, and tell them, that if you do this thing you will go to hell, but instead of getting frightened, what happened, people started using it, as a sort of a,- you can call it as sort of a propaganda, that if you come to the church or if you go to the a temple, or if you do this, you will be saved from the hell, and by that you said - now you give them ten rupes, or ten pounds, then you will be saved from hell, so, you know they definitely did it. It’s a very, very cunning way. You create a picture of something horrid, and tell them that if you don’t do it, if you don’t do a particular thing then you go to that (?) , or something like that, and that’s how, hell became a myth for us, because we thought that those who are teaching us are worse than us, so people did not believe in it, but it exists, it’s a reality. Why? I don’t know what is the human idea of heaven is. There are three sides I have told (?), on the right-hand side, left-hand side and the top. Those who are on the right-hand side, are the Gods as I called them, are the supra-conscious people, are all the five elements, like you know all the five elements, they are guarded by a particular deity, you all have deities, and these are you can call them gods, and then there are chiran jivas, - eternal beings, they all existed on the right-hand side, and there are other types of - Ashwathavas, and all those they are of animals forms, they also exist, all of them are there, for what? To guide you to the proper line, angles, like Gabriel, is the head of the angles of the right-hand side.On the left-hand side, Michael, Saint Michael, is the angel. I mean He is the chief angel on the left-hand side, who looks after you, He is within you, He looks after you, that He does not allow you to go to the subconscious mind too much.For example, you are thinking about your past, you are crying too much, or start going deep down, deep down, then He stops you, He saves you from that. But still you deny l, still you deny, you enjoy, you see, all those things, so, then he says alright go, so then you start moving towards the left. When you go beyond that, in the area, which supposes to be the void sort of thing in there, you are sucked into the (?). So, going to the extremes of things, on both the sides, you go to hell, alright? Some goes straight, you don’t have to go side way. Yogis: are laughing Shri Mataji: (Shri Mataji is laughing) Now, Sahaja yogis come up to the super-ego here, super-conscious mind, here, this also has got 7 stratas. So you have 7 here, 7 there, 7 there, and 7 on top, now you may ask Me, why 7? You should.Now you know there is a coefficients of 7. 22 upon 7 (22/7), have you seen that?The circumference over diameter is equal to 22 upon 7. (?Is) the ratio all the time goes (?up and down). So, when I say that is the radius, - if say, - three and a half, half of the 7, then the circumference is (?11) alright? So, you have got 3 and a half Kundalini, Kundalini is 3 and half siting in the Mooladhara chakra. And when it opens out it goes up to the radius point, alright? So it completes to the end, when it rises fully, it goes to the radius point. Now see, 3 and the half, 3 and the half, you can say like the, - that 3 and half are the 7 chakras, while the first 3 are divided into 2, and the 7th one is there, but they go into 11, I mean 11 into X, whatever it is, 11. 1, 2, 3, like 11, These 11 circumference points are very important for us, in this 11 things we are work, 11 guards, they are called as Rudras, and they are placed in your forehead, and they are 11 real aspects of Christ, which I’ve described very well in My book, when it will come. So, there are 11 aspects (?) - you should read sometimes My chakras to them. There are 11 aspects, 11 Rudras. When the destruction time finally will come, these 11 will act and destroy the whole thing. So, these are the 11. That’s why 11 [as a] number is a very auspicious one, so if you have to give something to someone, give it by 11. 11 rupes, 11 pounds, 11 is a good number, because 11 is a complete half circle. The lower circle you don’t have to worry, that’s why it is 3 and half, Kundalini, has to go up, you understand? That’s why it’s 3 and half in ratio, to - now, did you understand now, the mathematics? Still, you could not...(?) Shri Mataji: (? I must) tell you mathematics.In ratio to half a circle, in which you have to rise to the top, the radius has to be 3 and a half, and this is the 11.Shri Mataji: why?Newcomer: I don’t mind; because I don’t understand. Shri Mataji: you see,Another Newcomer: is this that (?) 3,1.2 , that’s 22 upon 7.Shri Mataji: 22 upon 7, alright? Make it half, alright, make it half, what is 11 upon 3 and a half, alright, correct? 11 upon 3 and a half, you have to only worry for the upper side of it. So you have to worry only about the half circle, not about the lower circle. So when we have to worry, the Kundalini has to give light to the half circle which is higher, not to the lower circle, so it is 3 and a half, in 3 and a half coil, and is in relation absolutely to the 11 parts of this aura. So, the Kundalini enlightens those 11 parts which are in the circumference.Now, do you understand, Mr. mathematician? M What is the ratio between the radius and the half circle?Newcomer: I just don’t know why you called 11 out that area there?Yogis: [UNCLEAR].... 22... is the circumference of the circle...Shri Mataji: You see, the 22 and the half, is for the whole circumference. But we only have to worry the half circumference, which is the upper side of it. We don’t have to worry about the hell and about Supra-conscious and about, you see that part.Newcomer: Now, I understand.Shri Mataji: now, you understand?Newcomer: , yes, I understand.Shri Mataji: he is the greatest mathematician sitting here Now, what am I to do with these mathematicians, you tell me? A very simple thing is it.In the supra-conscious mind, on the right-hand side,- you are also a mathematician?On right-hand side is the supra-conscious, alright? The half circle supra-conscious, and the half circle sub-conscious is alright, in the sense that you can work on them, but you don’t have to worry about them. You cannot go there, and you can not achieve the Realization, but lower side on both the things are wrong. They go towards the hell, those people who have tried before to go in the right side, by renouncing, by abstaining, and doing all kinds of things, and by loving everything put together, they most of them go to the right-hand side. Because the left-hand side is a very serious matter, only some of the people, who are great Shiva Bhakta’s, who are the worshipper of Shiva can go on left-hand side with the help of Shiva, and very few people have gone there, and once they have gone that side, they are settled in the state of Chiranjivas means - eternal beings, they do not vanish, their bodies remains, they are everywhere, so, they are two types of heavenly people you can say. But, you are not that, you are human beings, alright, to begin with. And you have to come on top of it, like you can say, that there is a drama going on, then in a drama you have got many actors, who have to play the role, and there are on the stage lots of lights coming in, lots of people organizing it, the platform is arranged, the stage is arranged, the lights are arranged, the focusing is done, that’s done by others, but you are on the stage, alright? In the same way, you are on the stage now. Sahaja yogis are, and all this people are just there to help. You are not to become them, you are made for a different purpose, you are not made for that purposes. So, you don’t try to do these things. What you have to do is to become absolutely Realized, to go higher and higher in your awareness. So what is the second stage of awareness? Now you have got thoughtless awareness, means you can become thoughtless, there is no thought in your mind, once you become this, thoughtlessly aware, what happens to you, is [that] the vibrations start flowing, which means that now you have crossed this limit, and you have come up.But what is the second stage is? The second stage is doubtless awareness, at this stage you will be surprised, that you start giving r Realization to people. It's very easy for you, so many of (?them) are there at this stage, but in doubtless awareness still you have to go deep, in which you do not catch from people at all. Whatever people may be suffering, you just don’t catch, you don’t feel anything about it, that stage comes in, and that’s you should call as a complete Self Realization. In which siting down here, you can give Realization to people, not Realization, but you can give them awakening, siting down here you can cure people. Once, who it comes to your attention, you can work it out. Beyond that, is the state of what you call, the God’s Realization, God’s Realization. In that, you start controlling both the stages, of supra-conscious and sub-conscious, everything. You control the whole atmosphere, you can control the elements, you can control the rain, you can do all these things.But this is no good, I mean, there is no need to bother about these, nothing important, you just automatically do it.What is important is to cross even this. So, you reach the stage now, after this, you reach a stage where there is a gap, (?where) you knew an incarnation. Incarnations are always above there is a gap, This gap had been crossed only by two people, Buddha and Mahavira, to became Hassan and Hussain. They were the only who could cross, but they were born of incarnations, they were the children of incarnations, they were human beings, just see, if God wants, He can do anything He likes. So, He created two incarnations of Luv and Kush. , They were the children of Rama and Sita. Then they were born as Buddha and Mahavira, and then Hasan and Hussein. So, these are the only two human beings, actually who were the children of an incarnation became incarnations, and they are placed in the body of the Virata, in the centre point here, helping, giving Realization and Salvation. Now, there is a difference between a Devata and Devas, this you must understand very clearly. Devatas are the Deities who help the Salvation, who play a direct part in the Salvation. And the Devas are the people, as I told you, those Chiranjivas, all those Gods and Goddesses, and all that. There is a God called as Indra, in Greek, what do you call him? Zeus. Indra is Zeus, like that, so we those Gods and Goddesses, somebody controlling the thunder, somebody controlling this, controlling that. All these, all these Gods and Goddesses is not what you are going to be. You are not made for that. What you are going to become, (Shri Mataji is laughing) ... and that’s not your job! What’s your job is, to give Realization, you are going to be the instruments of Salvation. First you have your Salvation, and then you give Salvation to others, That is the way it is going to work out. And once you start giving Salvation, lots of beautiful people are going to come on to this earth to help you. So, this is the (?) tune together to do. Now, this is the work of the central path, as I have told you, is of the central path. Central path is the Mahalakshmi one, on which the Vishnu resides, Who is the Evolutionary Deity. This Evolutionary Deity allows you to evolve. So, when He becomes completely evolved, is the complete, then He is Virat, He is the Vast. That is the aspect of God, and who others have them, is the Son God, and who else? It is the Primordial Mother, Who is the Holy Ghost. (Shri Mataji is laughing) Do you understand? This is the thing. Isn’t it? Shri Mataji is addressing to a child: Will you have this, do you like it? They like all of them very much, that’s the sign. Now, any more, questions? Newcomer: what will be like in the future, when the so...[UNCLEAR]... Shri Mataji: in a Sahaja Yoga you don’t have to think about the future at all, you have to be at the present moment. Now you start thinking about the future, say. How can we think about the future, because future doesn’t exist, it’s a myth! What exist is the present. You don’t have to bother about what is going to happen in the future, because I don’t want to fix your attention there, what will happen, you will give up this work, and then you’ll say, - oh, that Mataji has promised, that’s going to come. No. If you work now at the present, the future will be done. So, you have to worry about the present. Now, future thinking is absurd, I tell you. Why?Now, Sahaja Yoga, you have seen is a living thing, it works out in a living way. You can not say whether you will give her Realization or not, can you? Tell Me now, (?) can you? You cannot. Now, you cannot say, if you bring your son here or your brother here or your father here, are you sure you can give them Realization? If you plant a tree, can you say that l definitely it will give you fruits?Or even if it gives you fruits, can you say at what time it will give you fruits?At the most what you can say is, that it is a mango tree, it will give mango.So you are human being, if you are Realized, you will become a Sahaja yogi, that’s all.Now, if you become a Sahaja yogi, then live in the present. Now what do you do by becoming in [the] present, what do you do?You are channels, God has made you a channel, He’s using you. So, what He does, He uses you as channels to work out these e things. So, what you do, you watch, be on the watch, what’s happening, what’s happening, this happening, you will be amazed! Now, I’ll ask Gordon to give he’s experience, like you ... this one, together... this up... Hm.Yogis: [UNCLEAR]Shri Mataji: about him it was, about him, about yourself it was the patient, your patient...Yogis: [UNCLEAR] Pause.... The line is cut off....(min. 43:56) Shri Mataji: in the morning, you feel very funny?Newcomer: no...Shri Mataji: No? You feel like vomiting? Newcomer: Hm?Shri Mataji: in the morning you fell like vomiting some time?Newcomer lady: never. Shri Mataji: Newer?Newcomer lady: more in the evening...Shri Mataji: really?Newcomer lady: Yes, it is.Shri Mataji: It is. You should feel. You see, the way you have a very bad liver, very bad.Newcomer lady: (?but I don’t know) ... Shri Mataji: that’s (?) liver is very important as I told you, because liver is aware, from liver you get your awareness, if your liver is not alright, you are not going to feel alright. Everything will be alright, but you won’t feel alright, here liver is something wrong with. You will be surprised, that is not the brain but the liver. It’s very important! Newcomer lady: How do you feel if it isn’t alright, Mataji? s [UNCLEAR]...Shri Mataji: Hm? Lady: How do you feel physically if it isn’t alright? Shri Mataji: If it isn’t you alright? Then what happens, I will tell you, you don’t feel like eating, you always feel very dull, feel like vomiting all the time, and you all the time feel, you see, like something is coming up, burning sensation here, when you get up in the morning, you sometimes you’ll get darkness, and you don’t feel like getting up, you always feel like lethargic, and the more you sit and succumb to it, the worse you become, its terrible, and you thin down very much, gets very thin, it’s good for actresses ...laughing... Newcomer lady: But I don’t act so well...Shri Mataji: Hm? You don’t? (Shri Mataji is laughing) You don’t act? W Oh, I’m saying is good for people who want to keep a good figure at the (?back) and...Yogi: some people don’t even feel that they have a bad liver Shri Mataji: they don’t feel it?Yogi: some people is so used to that they don’t feel anything different.Shri Mataji: Oh, this is the specialist, I must say, ... that kind of a thing. He never felt that his liver was bad, till doctors declared that, now he has hepatitis, and he’s a finished case, absolutely was a finished case, you know, is the last word on that, then only he came around, otherwise he would not believe that he had a bad liver. It’s very true, as do you say, [UNCLEAR]... Shri Mataji is working on people: It’s he better now? You feel very heated up also with that. All the time heated up with liver, is very bad for skin, your skin gets rashes, you get allergy, with liver you get all these problems.Newcomer lady: noShri Mataji: Now, I am saying with some people, and they got sea sick very easily,Newcomer lady: [UNCLEAR]...Shri Mataji: if you drink, it spoils. Here the people are just, I don’t know, they are poring all the metal polish on top of that liver ...laughing...polishing it out, and the whole metal polish you know, is nothing (?) was very jealousy of you, because he wants to laugh at (?) you know, he is tired of smiling, because he is getting a (?) ...laughing... Another one is, let’s see who is feeling right smiling, isn’t it?That’s good. Sit better... Yogis: [UNCLEAR]Shri Mataji: they love it, they love, justNewcomer lady: [UNCLEAR]...Shri Mataji: Hamsa. Vishhudhi,Yogini : Vishuddhi, left Vishuddhi is caught ... Sahasrara...Shri Mataji: Let’s give up. Right-hand side this thing is liver, this is, - I have given you those pictures have you seen those? In one, through those, - My hands I have given, they have lots of vibrations also.You see, there are lots of vibrations on those. These, I’ve done Myself, so, you can see, - have you got anyone of them, with you now?Gordon, might be having one. Gordon, have you got one?Yogis: [UNCLEAR]Shri Mataji: it’s better now. It’s better, are you alright now?Newcomer: [UNCLEAR]Shri Mataji: What do you say? Better? Look at them, how readily they are there. Just they have got it. They are [been] doing it. Getting no training, nothing, it’s [UNCLEAR],, what is there to training, what are you going to teach them? You see, it’s something you can not teach, it just happens, are you alright in vibrations? You are alright. Are you?Yogis and newcomers are spiking: [UNCLEAR]... Shri Mataji: that’s also there.....Newcomer lady: [UNCLEAR]Shri Mataji: It’s now started little bit, little bit ... how you feel, you just see, Martin, you see him, - this one - you see, feel the vibrations, now put your hands then see for yourself. Tremendous.You see on this one, how are your vibrations. To him ... Yogi: she wants to put her hands up.Shri Mataji: it’s pressure now. Better. Are you feeling better now? [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: how do you, ...- feel his vibrations now, let’s see, you try, you just try his vibrations, let us see, how you feel, you have to look, you turn round and see his vibrations. Shri Mataji: What’s your name you say?Newcomer: my name is Yamnis.Shri Mataji: I couldn’t hear?Yogis: Yamis , Yamnis, Yamis... - Y A M I SShri Mataji: Yamis, alright, now, you can come here we will see your vibrations... Come along. You have been really good.Newcomer lady: Thank You. Shri Mataji: (not clear, to a child - you should be the greatest Realized-soul) Now you must grow up big and help Me, alright? Give me a kiss here, kiss me here, little bit, you are my doll, very sweet, very, very sweet... Newcomer lady: I think she won’t talk, (?she misses) her mother, I’m just a friend, you know.Shri Mataji: [you are] going now home? Want to go home, no? doesn’t want to go.Newcomer lady: my darling, I think we need to go, we will take few of this, I will take some on the hand for you, oh, yes we had,Shri Mataji: this is very good for the liver, very goodNewcomer lady: [UNCLEAR]Shri Mataji: bye bye...Newcomer lady: bye, bye, say bye bye... Shri Mataji: she is not happy to go.Conversation among the baby and the newcomer lady. Shri Mataji: alright, come and sit down facing that side, can you take out this? (after a while) heart, isn’t it?...Newcomer: yes.Shri Mataji: how is it? See how (?) ...isn’t it? Look at them, they are very sensitive, because even they are young, still yet not so much sort of agonized and things, you see? They are very, very sensitive. Hm, now better, isn’t it? Now is better? See, his Kundalini has brought him very well, out like that, because of the Agnya. You can see the breathing, let him come around, I will show you, all of you, if you can, - you see, there is a way, by which you can show [to] everybody your Kundalini , alright? What I will show you, you tell him how to do it, come on your knees, you see can you? You have to come on My Feet, I’ll show you. Now take out your (?shirt). I will show you, is the best way to see the Kundalini, just move down, yes, show him, like this, little move down, so, I can show them your Kundalini, move down a little, now, put your hands also, alright, put your head there, now see, see for your Kundalini. Now, show them, breathing there, isn’t it, see now, can you see the breathing? Newcomer: yesShri Mataji: Can you see? On, where is the Kundalini? See here and here, the Kundalini had spread on both the sides, you see? You can see it clearly! Can you see it now? But it has no (?fond) Now, it’s moving upward , can you see? It’s moving. Now, you can do like that. Now is that you can stand, and push the Kundalini up like that, you can. No, no, like this, take out that way, and then (?). You see, you have to move it this way and this way and then take it out. One person can do it this way, and bring it up. Yes, that’s it, that’s it, that’s it! See now, it’s starting moving Can you feel the vibrations now, you all feel the vibrations (?).Now, what you can do, you put anticlockwise here, at the back anticlockwise, (?) throw it away Now, throw it away, on the ground, here, here. See! It’s pulsating more there. See! Can you see it with your own eyes? You see! Newcomer: it’s breathing more.Shri Mataji: pulsating more, now you do it more like that, put one hand towards Me, put one hand towards Me. Yes, all time one hand should be towards Me. Now this is the grace , you see? (?On) going to the Kundalini to help. By your hand also, you are helping the Kundalini there. The pressure is going more there, see now it’s coming up, it’s moved, you see, it’s moved, you can see it moving! You can see with your naked eyes, it’s moving! You don’t have to give any other demonstration, you can see with your own eyes, now see where is it? It’s here. Wherever it is, you just go on giving it. It has started moving here, you see now. Now, is coming in the centre? Just come in the centre? Where is it moving now? Raise it now. Raise it, it will come. You rise it, and it will come up. Now see, it is stacked up here, alright? This is the Nabhi chakra. Now, if you take the name of Vishnu, it will come up, see; - ‘Aham sakshat Vishnu Lakshmi, Aham sakshat Vishnu Lakshmi, Aham sakshat Vishnu Lakshmi, Aham sakshat Vishnu Lakshmi, Aham sakshat Vishnu Lakshmi,’ pushing it down now from there, you see? ‘Aham sakshat Vishnu Lakshmi, Aham sakshat Vishnu Lakshmi,’ it’s come up. (?Look at that,) can you see? Yogi: I see it here, but it’s not ... [UNCLEAR] Shri Mataji: coming here. Now it’s come up here, you see it’s come up here. Now, this is the place of the Void, where you have to take the name of Adi Guru or you can say the [name of] Mohammed Sahib or anyone of them. Aham Sakshat Adi Guru, Aham Sakshat Adi Guru, Aham Sakshat Adi Guru, Aham Sakshat Adi Guru, Aham Sakshat Adi Guru, Aham Sakshat Adi Guru. [It] comes up here, now this is the centre here, pulsating here you see. Has come up here. Can you see? There, can you see now? Now, here it is the name of Jagadamba, that’s the Mother of the Universe, is here. Aham Sakshat Jagadamba , Aham Sakshat Jagadamba, Aham Sakshat Durga, Aham Sakshat Jagadamba, Aham Sakshat Durga, Aham Sakshat Jagadamba, Aham Sakshat Durga. No doubt. (?) Here is the name of Radha and Krishna, Aham Sakshat Radha Krishna, Aham Sakshat Radha Krishna, Aham Sakshat Radha Krishna...Now, it has moved here. Now, here it is Jesus and Mary, Aham Sakshat Jesus Mary, Aham Sakshat Jesus Mary, Aham Sakshat Jesus Mary... Still heavy there. You can feel it in your head also, you all can feel in your head also, you see. Also, you should take Ganesha’s name, because Ganesha is at the back, that aspect of Christ is at the back, you know (?sense) you see. Aham Sakshat Ganesha, Aham Sakshat Ganesha Gauri, Aham Sakshat Ganesha Gauri, Aham Sakshat Ganesha Gauri, Aham Sakshat Ganesha Gauri. ... come, now it has come up.Now, where is the Kundalini, just see, now it has come up here, Now you have to take My Name, at Sahasrara, Aham Sakshat Nirmala, Aham Sakshat Nirmala, Aham Sakshat Nirmala, ... come now, see the vibrations. Getting? Now you move in (?here) you can feel the vibrations here. You move your hands, you can see. You can make out. See for yourself, you feel it? How far is the vibrations, come along, how far is, just see, you can feel it with your hands, alright. Now you rise it again, it will come up, and whatever maybe your defects (?) are not going to affect. . You’re maybe having defects, you see, might be having some chakras caught, nothing. But you move, now you are Sahaja yogis, see now, it’s coming up, you can see? Like that, again If the sympathetic is going down you bring it (?). But don’t touch! Just go on top, that’s all, can you feel it? Now all of you can come and see for yourself. He has a Nabhi, a bad Nabhi is there, that’s why it’s catching. Now come along, one by one, all of you should come and see for yourself. See the Kundalini, but don’t touch, just feel it, do you feel? No? No? Newcomer: I’m not sensitive yet.Shri Mataji: we will work it out on you, next person will take you (?), alright?Newcomer: I (?don’t) feel coolnessShri Mataji: (speak to a yogi) Can you find out what (?) ...(?at what time Mr. Shrivastava is coming?). Shri Mataji: Can you feel it, can you?Newcomer: [UNCLEAR]Shri Mataji: now falls, bring it up, now is there, now the head, it’s coming up? H (?) here ... Aham Sakshat (?) ...now better? Now, we can have somebody else, because he must be tired. You see now, this is what Kundalini is! Are you feeling better now?Newcomer: yes, I feel. I mean, is very sensitive in this place.Shri Mataji: what do you feel? Now, you can’t move, keep your eyes (UNCLEAR) ... if you feel like crying, you better cry. Kundalini is moving (?), because of your Guru, you see, this is the gurus (?). , Still, see now, (?) moving in there, you can site down now. You see? It’s settling down there. His gurus thana is spoiled because of this horrible fellow, now I will know who he is? Yogi: Which guru... [UNCLEAR]Shri Mataji: his Guru is a TM fellow, now, alright?Yogis: he doesn’t know, he has been left ten past 7, he hasn’t known what time is (?)Shri Mataji: Ha?Yogis: Your husband went out at ten past 7, should I leave a messageShri Mataji: it’s alright, It’s alright, I will manage it, you just tell Me the time.Yogis: quarter to fiveShri Mataji: quarter to five. Going? May God bless you!Newcomer: goodbye, goodbye Shri Mataji: you got pleasure, now you are going to come back again, you have to looking after them, , alright?: May God bless you! I’m very happy, now let us see, now this is...see now, see his Kundalini in the stomach, you see, see how it vibrates now, this is the Guru, you see, because the horrible Guru is siting down there in the stomach, that’s why it is happening, you have to take the name of some Guru, alright! First, take the name of Mohammed Sahab. Aham Sakshat Mohammed, Aham Sakshat Mohammed, Aham Sakshat (?unclear name) ...it’s acting much (?worse) this is also (?)That’s how they spoiled your Kundalini, this is the one, this is for the Jagadamba, as I told you, is the Mother of the Universe, this is the sense of security within you, Alright! Aham Sakshat Jagadamba, , Aham Sakshat Jagadamba, , Aham Sakshat Jagadamba ...Aham Sakshat Buddha, Aham Sakshat Buddha, Aham Sakshat Buddha,... It’s moving now? Aham Sakshat Buddha, You watch here alright, keep your eyes open, Aham Sakshat Buddha, Aham Sakshat Buddha, Aham Sakshat Buddha, ... it’s come up now. , Is it cool coming up now, Martin? On top of your head. Newcomer: not yet.Shri Mataji: not yet, Aham Sakshat Buddha, Aham Sakshat Buddha, Aham Sakshat Buddha, ... Hm! Let’s see, is coming? Ha. ...Newcomer: yes!Shri Mataji: ...has got , . It has worked, you see? Now, this is the proof of the Kundalini, you start feeling the cool coming out, that’s what Kundalini is! Hm. Can you feel it?Newcomer: yes, but is (?)......Shri Mataji: Still there, but much less. You see, it has touched but still it has, - you see, She’s supplying there, She has to supply there, she goes on supplying going that out, but still (?tested) up. You see, the force is so much tested out, it has come, you can feel the coolness coming out? No?What about you Lakshmi, are you getting cool or not in the head? See. You all should get cool in your head, it’s going up and down, you understand now, this is what it is. Is going, coming and going up, you watch here, alright! It comes down and it comes up. Shri Mataji: (after a while) Are you alright now? Very relaxed,(?).Still everybody is, ... how is it now, tell me, still there?Newcomer: It’s going downShri Mataji: that’s not easy, for this , you have to take something to curing that. You see, he has to beat him with shoes and things, then only this man (?) doesn’t clear it (?) easy. Horrible fellow, what is the thing he gave you as mantra? Newcomer: (?) sherimShri Mataji: shim?Newcomer: sherimAnother Newcomer: that’s the one I had too. (laught)Shri Mataji: shareem ... shrim, shrim Newcomer: Sherim Shri Mataji: sherim is nothing. You see, this is how they dishonour. [the] word it is Shri, it is Shri, Shri means (?) Mother Herself, you see. , He is insulting , by calling Her sherim. . Newcomer: Is the mother?Shri Mataji: Shri is the Mother, Shri is the Guru She is the Holy Ghost, so they called sherem, but you call it Shri, it’s Shri, you see my surname is Srivastava, Shri means the Holy Ghost, Vastava means ‘in reality’. Just imagine, my surname also is (?Jag), my surname...HA! A...good! Taking My name only, it has worked out. AA! H Got it?Now you are alright, you’re getting cool breeze in the hands?Newcomer: yes.Shri Mataji: Both? Newcomer: Yes. Shri Mataji: Very nice...Newcomer: feel very bad, because, (? a name) died on Monday,Shri Mataji: Who?Newcomer: you remember, I was asking if you can do a spiritual healing...Shri Mataji: yes, yes,Newcomer: in the meantime , he was (?) on Sunday, so...Shri Mataji: what is his name? (?)Newcomer: Angelos, AngeloShri Mataji: what a name... what’s this?Lady: for you.Shri Mataji: Oh, God, is food?Lady: , food.Shri Mataji: really?Lady: I hope so?!Shri Mataji: such a lot?Lady: I’m hoping that...Shri Mataji: for all of them?Lady: Oh yes, yes, (?)Shri Mataji: Is it?Lady: yes.Shri Mataji: oh really great, very generously done! !Lady: [UNCLEAR]...(laughing)Shri Mataji: you are alright?Newcomer: So, I send you a letter on Thursday, maybe you will receive it tomorrow.Shri Mataji: is it?Newcomer: I sent you a letterShri Mataji: [UNCLEAR]Newcomer: I send you late, I’m sorry!!Shri Mataji: now you are alright! You are alright. , Now you are just there, alright! Keep your self like this, now ask them how to protect yourself, and all those things.It’s good! He is alright now. Now, I will see yours. Come along, what do you say? (?He is alright?)You see they have insulted everything, everything, Deities, they have insulted Sanyasa, they have insulted all that is Godly, everything, that’s how they have managed. Come along, what’s up, put hand here, Aham Sakshat Shri, Aham Sakshat Shri, Aham Sakshat Shri, ... it’s alright! Newcomer: I feel something on my right sideShri Mataji: yes, there is, put your hand there, apart from that, this Agnya is bad.Newcomer: [UNCLEAR]Shri Mataji: this centre. You see all this people spoil this centre worst of all, this is Christ centre you know?Newcomer: yes.Shri Mataji: (after a wile) what do you say, it’s better? (Addressing to a yogini) What do you say, about him? It’s better?Yogini: it’s better.Shri Mataji: it’s better, where do you get it...?Yogis: hereShri Mataji: that’s whom you have getting it? Where is your mother?Newcomer: at home, at ...Shri Mataji: how is she?Newcomer: she is worried!Shri Mataji: she is worried, about you!Newcomer: yes, yes.Shri Mataji: for what?Newcomer: well, I thought last year maybe moving house soon so worried about that Shri Mataji: now better, relaxed ...Newcomer: yes.Shri Mataji: what do you say, Colin?Yogis: [UNCLEAR]...Shri Mataji: where? Better? How do you say Colin?Yogis: it’s much better,Shri Mataji: how are you, better?Andy, are you alright? What do you think about this?HA. Now he is better, but still your eyes, you steady.Shri Mataji: steady them.Newcomer: [UNCLEAR] .... my eyes are hurting a lot, because I’m not sleeping.Shri Mataji: why you are not sleeping?Newcomer: I don’t know,Shri Mataji: Eyes are very hot, isn’t allow you to sleep... is better now?Newcomer: yes. Shri Mataji: HA! Now, it’s cleared out. Feeling better now? Are you getting any cool breeze?Yogini : little block is still there, isn’t it?Shri Mataji: is better, turn around, come back, so, stand, now better.Newcomer: [UNCLEAR]Shri Mataji: no see the balance, see the balance, now? Is he aright? Or still is difference? Tight up on your heads, tight up. I In the forward manner alright? Always in the forward manner, in the forward, all of you should go in the forward. HA! Good? What do you say? (Shri Mataji is working continuously on people) HA! .... The head is still ... alright? .... Shri Mataji: you say Sahasrara mantra, come along. Yogis are saying the mantra. Shri Mataji: loudly!.... come here and say the mantra. Again. Shri Mataji: you shouldn’t talk so much loudly there, you see meditation is on. Keep quiet! . Yogis: Om Twameva Sakshat, Shri Mahalakshmi, Mahasaraswati, Mahakali, Trigunatmika Shri Adi Kundalini Sakshat, Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi Namo Namah. Shri Mataji: Still once Yogis: Om Twameva Sakshat, Shri Mahalakshmi, Mahasaraswati, Mahakali, Trigunatmika Shri Adi Kundalini Sakshat, Shri Adi Shakti Sakshat, Shri Bhagawati Sakshat, Shri Mataji, Shri Nirmala Devi Namo Namah. Shri Mataji: Now, what do you say? Hm? Still blocked. Once more. Yogis: saying the mantra. Shri Mataji: Alright. May God bless you!