Yes the screaming Mace was a gift from someone who cares about me, the same
as I would give him a gift or I would give items to a person I felt deserved
them. It is a matter of principle in my opinion and what kind of standards
you have. I would not refuse a gift, but I am not twinked either, I don't
get items that I couldn't myself get...I gave up my manastone once so My
husband could trade for a E blade, they are things that you do for those you
care about. SO don't use gifts in this discussion, would you in RL call a
person who recieved a christmas present a beggar or someone who didn't work
for a living, no I don't think so.
I buff people out of the kindness of my heart, I don't get many beggars for
buffs cause half of them have no clue what level I am and what buffs I have.
And if for some reason I needed a SoW, then I would pay for it, unless the
kind soul refused the money I was offering. Many times someone will ask me
for a res and that they will pay me, I res them then refuse the payment,
just how I am. I expect to be asked for resurrections, I am a cleric, thats
my job, and if it is within my reach to do it at the time they are asking me
I usually will. Its those people who say " Can a lvl 49+ cleric res me
please" that irritate me, you want help but only if it is a certain lvl of
help, and to coin a phrase "beggars can't be choosers" no pun intended of
course, but if you want a res that bad, you should take what you can get and
not be so picky.
Bree
>From: Chris Wheeler <wheelech@...>
>Reply-To: EQ-Clerics@onelist.com
>To: "'EQ-Clerics@onelist.com'" <EQ-Clerics@onelist.com>
>Subject: RE: [EQ-Clerics] What do you think of begging (not the skill)
>Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:13:26 -0400
>
>From: Chris Wheeler <wheelech@...>
>
>I suppose that is your opinion.
>
>However, you did say you received a screaming mace from your husband. That
>doesn't sound like something you earned or bought.
>
>I'm with you on the camping issue.
>
>Despising a beggar is certainly a fair reaction. In fact, the trade skill
>'begging' rarely results in success. I agree that beggars can be annoying.
>But aren't they in real life?
>
>And, how do you classify someone who asks for a buff? As a beggar?
>Sheesh.
>May as well not ask for anything in the game. I constantly ask for SOW.
>And do so in an RP'ing context. I'm not one of those types who shouts 'Who
>can give me SOW'.
>
>Yes, I have begged. And in all my travels, I have never asked out right
>for
>anything. I have roleplayed a down on his luck cleric. I have also worked
>very hard to get the 52pp I have in the bank. That was earned 10% begging,
>60% trading up armour and selling to players, and 30% loot selling. If,
>after hearing my story, people are inclined to donate, so be it. I
>consider
>that begging.
>
>Now, for those who feel it is laziness, well, thats your opinion as well.
>I
>for one don't think RP'ing for 3 hours straight, just to earn a few plat is
>lazy. Its pretty bloody time intensive and not very rewarding. Its the
>RP'ing interaction, and the bit of realism I add to the world that I enjoy.
>
>And, I also give to beggars. Having received from others, I feel I should
>give as well.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Heather Daley [mailto:blushn@...]
>Sent: 1999/09/09 1:01 PM
>To: EQ-Clerics@onelist.com
>Subject: Re: [EQ-Clerics] What do you think of begging (not the skill)
>
>
>From: "Heather Daley" <blushn@...>
>
>Ahhh not sure how yall are going to react with this one, but I have some
>very strong feelings on this issue. I believe they stem from me having
>started playing way back when the game was first released.
>
>I despise Beggars....I have always been a helpful person, but the biggest
>mistake you can make with me is to beg.
>
>I started out in this game with nothing just like the rest of you, Some
>people call me bitter, which is not the case, i am a very happy player, i
>enjoy this game quite a bit, but I have a sense of value for items, I
>EARN(not by Buying or begging) ALL of my equipment, I have never asked
>anyone for anything and never will. I wore Patchwork, yes patchwork leather
>until I was lvl 20, yes 20, I remember having only 6gp and I bought a PW
>tunic for 4, dropped the tunic and was SOL. I was never able to buy all my
>spells at early levels right when I was able to use them, i had to buy a
>few
>
>at a time, I used a hammer of wrath until I was lvl 20 and my husband had
>given me a screaming Mace which I used up til I was high enough level to
>kill the savant and get a black enamelled one. I Appreciate all the items
>that I have, I don't get items that I cannot use, I don't overcamp places
>to
>
>get mega quantities of items. I don't buy items, money means nothing in
>this game. There is nothing I hate more than to have a group with one
>caster
>
>who already has a SMR camping the Arch Magi.
>I am begged on a daily basis and when Someone begs from me, they are damn
>well not gonna get a copper from me. I am a generous person, I buff people
>all the time and have given away many items that I have gotten replacements
>for. i.e. I gave a black iron medallion to a low lvl druid I met in
>Rivervale one day, we just chatted and he never asked for anything, I gave
>it to him out of the kindness of my heart. I guess basically i feel I
>worked my butt off to get what I have and if you are begging from people
>you
>
>are not even trying to get things for yourself, makes me very ill.
>Enough of my rant.
>Can't wait to hear feedbacks on this one.
>Bree Wyndsdale
>46th Cleric of Fennin Ro
>
>
> >From: Chris Wheeler <wheelech@...>
> >Reply-To: EQ-Clerics@onelist.com
> >To: "'EQ-Clerics@onelist.com'" <EQ-Clerics@onelist.com>
> >Subject: [EQ-Clerics] What do you think of begging (not the skill)
> >Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:24:38 -0400
> >
> >From: Chris Wheeler <wheelech@...>
> >
> >Hi all.
> >
> >I gave seen this debate before in other places.
> >
> >What do you all think of begging as a method of acquiring
> >cash/armour/weapons?
> >
> >I don't mean the skill of begging, but I mean approaching other PC's and
> >asking them to spare a bit?
> >
> >Now, I am for it. I beleive that RP'ing worlds parallel the real world,
> >and
> >inthe real world, there are those who are poor, and need to beg for thier
> >sustenance. At the lower levels, I gained most of my armour and my money
> >from begging. Now I do it in a RP'ing context, and not as 'Hey, got any
> >free armour I can have?'. I think that this is a valid strategy.
> >
> >As well, now that I am entering the teens, I don't need to beg as often.
> >But I do barter with players, and when doing so, I subtly make them
>beleive
> >that I am a poor cleric (which I really am). In doing so, I have made
>some
> >great deals, and am able to get some good bargains on armour. Last nite,
> >for instance, I bought a bloodforge hammer for 15 pp, and a FS staff.
>From
> >what I could see, they usually went for around 30 pp. In my opionion,
>its
> >no different than trading in ussed car and dressing down and making the
> >saleperson beleive you are poorer than you really are.
> >
> >Any other thoughts?
> >
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