My final words as well, Yes you are right it is only a game. I too, do not
want this to turn into an ethical debate. There are not too many things
that I have a really strong opinion about, this just happens to be one of
them. I feel everyone has a right to their own opinions and that everyone
should have fun in the game no matter what anyone else thinks of them or
their practices. This is a forum for us to help each other, and for us to
debate issues. I like having issues that I want to respond to(gives me
something to do while downtimes at work), shhhh, don't tell my boss. I like
a good debate, it is healthy. Enough said and onto another subject :-)
Bree Wyndsdale
46th Cleric of Fennin Ro
>From: Chris Wheeler <wheelech@...>
>Reply-To: EQ-Clerics@onelist.com
>To: "'EQ-Clerics@onelist.com'" <EQ-Clerics@onelist.com>
>Subject: RE: [EQ-Clerics] What do you think of begging (not the skill)
>Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:42:03 -0400
>
>From: Chris Wheeler <wheelech@...>
>
>Well, my final word on the begging issue is that you can choose to ignore,
>but as an RP-ing strategy, I beleive it is perfectly valid. And ignoring
>and
>beig rude is a perfectly valid response, in terms of RPing.
>
>I didn't want this to turn into an ethical debate. Hell, its only a game.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Heather Daley [mailto:blushn@...]
>Sent: 1999/09/09 1:55 PM
>To: EQ-Clerics@onelist.com
>Subject: RE: [EQ-Clerics] What do you think of begging (not the skill)
>
>
>From: "Heather Daley" <blushn@...>
>
>Yes the screaming Mace was a gift from someone who cares about me, the same
>as I would give him a gift or I would give items to a person I felt
>deserved
>
>them. It is a matter of principle in my opinion and what kind of standards
>you have. I would not refuse a gift, but I am not twinked either, I don't
>get items that I couldn't myself get...I gave up my manastone once so My
>husband could trade for a E blade, they are things that you do for those
>you
>
>care about. SO don't use gifts in this discussion, would you in RL call
>a
>
>person who recieved a christmas present a beggar or someone who didn't
>work
>
>for a living, no I don't think so.
>I buff people out of the kindness of my heart, I don't get many beggars for
>buffs cause half of them have no clue what level I am and what buffs I
>have.
>
>And if for some reason I needed a SoW, then I would pay for it, unless the
>kind soul refused the money I was offering. Many times someone will ask me
>for a res and that they will pay me, I res them then refuse the payment,
>just how I am. I expect to be asked for resurrections, I am a cleric, thats
>my job, and if it is within my reach to do it at the time they are asking
>me
>
>I usually will. Its those people who say " Can a lvl 49+ cleric res me
>please" that irritate me, you want help but only if it is a certain lvl of
>help, and to coin a phrase "beggars can't be choosers" no pun intended of
>course, but if you want a res that bad, you should take what you can get
>and
>
>not be so picky.
>Bree
>
>
> >From: Chris Wheeler <wheelech@...>
> >Reply-To: EQ-Clerics@onelist.com
> >To: "'EQ-Clerics@onelist.com'" <EQ-Clerics@onelist.com>
> >Subject: RE: [EQ-Clerics] What do you think of begging (not the skill)
> >Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:13:26 -0400
> >
> >From: Chris Wheeler <wheelech@...>
> >
> >I suppose that is your opinion.
> >
> >However, you did say you received a screaming mace from your husband.
>That
> >doesn't sound like something you earned or bought.
> >
> >I'm with you on the camping issue.
> >
> >Despising a beggar is certainly a fair reaction. In fact, the trade skill
> >'begging' rarely results in success. I agree that beggars can be
>annoying.
> >But aren't they in real life?
> >
> >And, how do you classify someone who asks for a buff? As a beggar?
> >Sheesh.
> >May as well not ask for anything in the game. I constantly ask for SOW.
> >And do so in an RP'ing context. I'm not one of those types who shouts
>'Who
> >can give me SOW'.
> >
> >Yes, I have begged. And in all my travels, I have never asked out right
> >for
> >anything. I have roleplayed a down on his luck cleric. I have also
>worked
> >very hard to get the 52pp I have in the bank. That was earned 10%
>begging,
> >60% trading up armour and selling to players, and 30% loot selling. If,
> >after hearing my story, people are inclined to donate, so be it. I
> >consider
> >that begging.
> >
> >Now, for those who feel it is laziness, well, thats your opinion as well.
> >I
> >for one don't think RP'ing for 3 hours straight, just to earn a few plat
>is
> >lazy. Its pretty bloody time intensive and not very rewarding. Its the
> >RP'ing interaction, and the bit of realism I add to the world that I
>enjoy.
> >
> >And, I also give to beggars. Having received from others, I feel I
>should
> >give as well.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Heather Daley [mailto:blushn@...]
> >Sent: 1999/09/09 1:01 PM
> >To: EQ-Clerics@onelist.com
> >Subject: Re: [EQ-Clerics] What do you think of begging (not the skill)
> >
> >
> >From: "Heather Daley" <blushn@...>
> >
> >Ahhh not sure how yall are going to react with this one, but I have some
> >very strong feelings on this issue. I believe they stem from me having
> >started playing way back when the game was first released.
> >
> >I despise Beggars....I have always been a helpful person, but the biggest
> >mistake you can make with me is to beg.
> >
> >I started out in this game with nothing just like the rest of you, Some
> >people call me bitter, which is not the case, i am a very happy player, i
> >enjoy this game quite a bit, but I have a sense of value for items, I
> >EARN(not by Buying or begging) ALL of my equipment, I have never asked
> >anyone for anything and never will. I wore Patchwork, yes patchwork
>leather
> >until I was lvl 20, yes 20, I remember having only 6gp and I bought a PW
> >tunic for 4, dropped the tunic and was SOL. I was never able to buy all
>my
> >spells at early levels right when I was able to use them, i had to buy a
> >few
> >
> >at a time, I used a hammer of wrath until I was lvl 20 and my husband had
> >given me a screaming Mace which I used up til I was high enough level to
> >kill the savant and get a black enamelled one. I Appreciate all the
>items
> >that I have, I don't get items that I cannot use, I don't overcamp places
> >to
> >
> >get mega quantities of items. I don't buy items, money means nothing in
> >this game. There is nothing I hate more than to have a group with one
> >caster
> >
> >who already has a SMR camping the Arch Magi.
> >I am begged on a daily basis and when Someone begs from me, they are damn
> >well not gonna get a copper from me. I am a generous person, I buff
>people
> >all the time and have given away many items that I have gotten
>replacements
> >for. i.e. I gave a black iron medallion to a low lvl druid I met in
> >Rivervale one day, we just chatted and he never asked for anything, I
>gave
> >it to him out of the kindness of my heart. I guess basically i feel I
> >worked my butt off to get what I have and if you are begging from people
> >you
> >
> >are not even trying to get things for yourself, makes me very ill.
> >Enough of my rant.
> >Can't wait to hear feedbacks on this one.
> >Bree Wyndsdale
> >46th Cleric of Fennin Ro
> >
> >
> > >From: Chris Wheeler <wheelech@...>
> > >Reply-To: EQ-Clerics@onelist.com
> > >To: "'EQ-Clerics@onelist.com'" <EQ-Clerics@onelist.com>
> > >Subject: [EQ-Clerics] What do you think of begging (not the skill)
> > >Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:24:38 -0400
> > >
> > >From: Chris Wheeler <wheelech@...>
> > >
> > >Hi all.
> > >
> > >I gave seen this debate before in other places.
> > >
> > >What do you all think of begging as a method of acquiring
> > >cash/armour/weapons?
> > >
> > >I don't mean the skill of begging, but I mean approaching other PC's
>and
> > >asking them to spare a bit?
> > >
> > >Now, I am for it. I beleive that RP'ing worlds parallel the real
>world,
> > >and
> > >inthe real world, there are those who are poor, and need to beg for
>thier
> > >sustenance. At the lower levels, I gained most of my armour and my
>money
> > >from begging. Now I do it in a RP'ing context, and not as 'Hey, got
>any
> > >free armour I can have?'. I think that this is a valid strategy.
> > >
> > >As well, now that I am entering the teens, I don't need to beg as
>often.
> > >But I do barter with players, and when doing so, I subtly make them
> >beleive
> > >that I am a poor cleric (which I really am). In doing so, I have made
> >some
> > >great deals, and am able to get some good bargains on armour. Last
>nite,
> > >for instance, I bought a bloodforge hammer for 15 pp, and a FS staff.
> >From
> > >what I could see, they usually went for around 30 pp. In my opionion,
> >its
> > >no different than trading in ussed car and dressing down and making the
> > >saleperson beleive you are poorer than you really are.
> > >
> > >Any other thoughts?
> > >
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