Not that it's any of your business, and I have no intention of getting into
a flame war, but I DO work full time and I have family obligations as well,
so I cannot play 24/7 as you seem to suggest. I know many high levels who
work and go to school, or work and have families. Sometimes playing smart
with a good group gets you farther than the number of actual hours you spend
in the game.
And the first come first serve rule doesn't stop lower levels from getting
items or exp at all, as you also seem to suggest. The point being, you want
a rare item, then get in line to get it. How does that rule keep lower
levels from getting items? If they get there first, then it's their camp
spot. Has nothing to do with your level at all.
And as far as lower levels not being able to get any exp, there are many
many more places for lower levels to get exp than there are higher levels,
which is Verant's fault for not creating more playable high level zones.
Fear Plane solved a lot of problems in crowding in SolB and LGuk for the
high levels, but then they tweaked it and noone can hunt there anymore
because it's nothing but suicide when you enter.
Mik
-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph <
carothersr@...>
To:
EQ-Clerics@onelist.com <
EQ-Clerics@onelist.com>
Date: Sunday, September 12, 1999 11:39 AM
Subject: RE: [EQ-Clerics] Yield Policy
>From: "Ralph" <carothersr@...>
>
>it IS the point....you look at it as discrimination....ok....what about
>those who can NOT spend hours like some people who do not work....dont go
to
>school etc? so its fair these people, who should be able to get the same
>items too cannot because people who could have had these things at lvl 25,
>decide at lvl 50 they want them? I play in SOL A all the time....you know
>what I see? lvl 30+ killing creatures they could do EASILY solo, that have
>been green for over 8-10 lvls, just to get ONE RARE SPAWN...meanwhile the
>lower lvls cant get crap....exp OR items.
>
>
>You talk about fairness, yet yo dont look at the WHOLE picture....people
>cant be in the game 24/7....and if you are...I'm sorry...you've got bigger
>problems then whining about this game. People complain about the economy,
>yet when things are done to fix it...you dont like it either. I truly hope
>that Verant goes and codes in "green cons give SQUAT" so you all can shut
up
>and leave, or stay and play and stop whining.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mikaela [mailto:mikaela1@...]
>Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 11:09 AM
>To: EQ-Clerics@onelist.com
>Subject: Re: [EQ-Clerics] Yield Policy
>
>
>From: "Mikaela" <mikaela1@...>
>
>Bann,
>
>You are missing the entire point of my post. I am talking about the
>principle itself. That no one group of people should be discriminated
>against or treated differently or penalized because they happen to be of
>a
>higher OR lower level. THAT is the point. And it doesn't matter
>whether or
>not you can buy the item from someone else....and believe me, I have
>tried
>to buy the rings and they are getting more costly than the Box of
>Abu-Kar IF
>you can even find them. But again, that is NOT the point. It is the
>PRINCIPLE behind Brad's yield policy that I am saying I feel is just
>flat
>wrong because it treats groups differently, which I do not believe is
>fair.
>A broad sweeping policy change such as this is going to create
>significant
>problems from my viewpoint, especially among higher levels such as
>myself
>who are now attempting to acquire certain items I haven't gotten in the
>past, for whatever reason.
>
>And yes, I do know there are higher level jerks out there who feel they
>can
>push their way into any area and take what they want just because they
>are
>higher level and have more fire/melee power. But I am not responsible
>for
>the actions of these people, who will exist in any online game you play,
>and
>I certainly don't believe responsible, mature players like myself should
>be
>penalized because of them. And in my experience, bitching at these
>types of
>people, as you suggest, is a waste of time and effort...you can't change
>people, and they will continue to play as they will, good or bad.
>
>Again, I feel the policy should be...first there stays there, and then
>the
>next in line gets the spot, regardless of level. This is the fair way
>to do
>it.
>
>Mikaela R'achai, aka Mik
>Level 50 cleric and servant of Mithaniel Marr on The Rathe
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ralph <carothersr@...>
>To: EQ-Clerics@onelist.com <EQ-Clerics@onelist.com>
>Date: Sunday, September 12, 1999 10:07 AM
>Subject: RE: [EQ-Clerics] Yield Policy
>
>
>>From: "Ralph" <carothersr@...>
>>
>>Its funny to see this on a CLERICAL HELP list first
>off....secondly....why
>>cant you go and BUY the item from the lower levels then? Granted, you
>cant
>>do this with all of the lower levels....but do you know how often I've
>had
>>higher levels come in without as many principles as most of you? Why
>dont
>>you start bitching at those who HAVE gone and made this a problem?
>>
>>Example: I'm in Blackburrow one day. The onyx earrings have to be one
>of
>>the SIMPLEST things to get ahold of. A Magician, lvl 27 walks in, says
>he's
>>here to get the earring, and he'll take everything until he does....if
>we
>>dont like it....LEAVE.
>>
>>Yeah, this is a great attitude people. We had 2 of the damn things to
>sell,
>>and offered them and his answer: "WHy should I buy from a lower level
>when
>>I can get them myself." Or then we have the fact that I can pick these
>>suckers up at HOW MANY merchants?
>>
>>
>>For the paw of opalla quest you could EASILY purchase the damn rings
>from
>>lower levels who got them....not only does it get rid of some of that
>cash
>>you had sitting around doing NOTHING, but it keeps everyone happy.
>>
>>
>>Bann
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Mystik [mailto:mystik@...]
>>Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 7:48 AM
>>To: EQ-Clerics@onelist.com
>>Subject: Re: [EQ-Clerics] Yield Policy
>>
>>
>>From: Mystik <mystik@...>
>>
>>mik, i agree wholeheartedly....there are items i'd like to get as well,
>>because
>>i wason't able or didn't know about them till the mobs wouldn't give me
>>exp....seems the fair thing to do is what you said...<paraphrased>
>first
>>come,
>>first serve
>>
>>(\/)ystix
>>
>>Mikaela wrote:
>>
>>> From: "Mikaela" <mikaela1@...>
>>>
>>> I'll tell you what my whole opinion is on this camping/yield issue.
>I
>>think
>>> the
>>> first group there stays there, regardless of their level. And noone
>>is able
>>> to throw
>>> another group out if that group was there first.
>>>
>>> I have wanted a nightshade wreath and gem sceptre for ages. So
>today,
>>> myself and 5 other level 50s went to camp MM castle. Everything
>there
>>was
>>> green to us, but myself and a level 50 shaman friend wanted wreaths
>>and
>>> sceptres, which we didn't have. Under Brad's rule, if a group of
>>> level 35+ comes, and they can get exp for that area, then we have to
>>yield
>>> and give up a spot we have been at for hours. Tell me where the
>>fairness in
>>> THAT
>>> rule is.
>>>
>>> Since there are very few places I can get exp anymore and have maxxed
>>> out level 50, I am going around and getting items I don't have
>because
>>I was
>>> focusing on exp and helping others level as well. I plan to do the
>>Paw of
>>> Opallo quest next. Mitty is green to me, as is Gynok Moltar. Should
>>I have
>>> to leave camping them just because lower levels come to camp for the
>>same
>>> items I
>>> want? I think that is totally unfair. Just because I am level 50
>>doesn't
>>> mean I"m not
>>> entitled to get items I don't have just because the mobs don't give
>me
>>exp
>>> anymore.
>>>
>>> Again, my opinion is....first there stays there. Then when they
>>leave, the
>>> next group in line gets the camp spot. I don't think levels should
>>have
>>> anything to do with who gets the camp spot. I don't think high
>levels
>>> should force lower levels away from a camp spot, and I don't think
>>lower
>>> levels should be able to force higher levels away if they were there
>>first.
>>> To do it any other way discriminates against one group over another
>>(higher
>>> vs. lower).
>>>
>>> And I'll tell you this....if a GM tells me to leave a camp spot I
>have
>>been
>>> at
>>> for hours for an item I don't have that I want just because some
>lower
>>> levels arrived and want my spot, then I won't be playing EQ for very
>>> much longer.
>>>
>>> The only fair way IMO is first there stays there, regardless of
>level,
>>then
>>> whomever was next gets it next, and so on and so on. Get in line and
>>take a
>>> number. No one group of players should be favored over another.
>>>
>>> To do it Brad's way, would mean that any player that didn't get an
>>item
>>> while he/she was
>>> able to get exp from that particular mob could basically never get
>>that item
>>> cause they could be
>>> thrown out of the camp spot everytime lower levels came along. This
>>is
>>> totally not fair.
>>>
>>> Mik (who abhors discrimination or favoritism in any way, shape or
>>form)
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: John Erik Maynus <jmaynus@...>
>>> To: EQ-Clerics@onelist.com <EQ-Clerics@onelist.com>
>>> Date: Saturday, September 11, 1999 11:41 PM
>>> Subject: [EQ-Clerics] Yield Policy
>>>
>>> >From: "John Erik Maynus" <jmaynus@...>
>>> >
>>> >What does everyone think of this Yield Policy? In case you never
>>heard of
>>> >it, it Brads new way of getting rid of high lvl characters camping
>>lower
>>> lvl
>>> >spawn points.
>>> >This is what he said but it
>>> >
>>> >"If a higher level player who would get no exp for the kill is
>>camping a
>>> >spawn, and a group of players that would get exp (meaning they
>should
>>be
>>> >there) wants to fight there, the higher level player must yield. The
>>lower
>>> >level group has the right of way.
>>> >
>>> >As for the other disciplinary information in that post, it sounds
>>like the
>>> >same policy that's always been in place: if you are warned several
>>times
>>> and
>>> >continue to break the rules, you will be banned."
>>> >
>>> >Do you all think this will work or just tick off a lot of players?
>>I'm not
>>> >sure if I'm for it or not, but also remember if your a camper doing
>>this
>>> and
>>> >you're warned a few times you'll be banned from the game. I don't
>>really
>>> >camp, I do in a few spots but not a lot but only in places that give
>>me
>>> exp.
>>> >He said it wouldn't be actively enforced till it was officially
>>announced.
>>> >Some ppl are wanting us to be able to vote yes or no on it but as of
>>now
>>> >Brad isn't letting us vote
>>> >
>>> >**************************
>>> >Azor
>>> >Lvl 18 Human Cleric of the Rathe
>>> >**************************
>>> >
>>> >
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