Well, so much for the "Clerics" list being about clerics and NOT about
flaming opinions.

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There are 16 messages in this issue.

Topics in today's digest:

1. RE: Yield Policy
From: "Ralph" <carothersr@...>
2. Re: Yield Policy
From: "Mikaela" <mikaela1@...>
3. RE: Yield Policy
From: "Ralph" <carothersr@...>
4. RE: Yield Policy
From: Aosinator <darshan@...>
5. Re: Yield Policy
From: "Mikaela" <mikaela1@...>
6. RE: Yield Policy
From: Aosinator <darshan@...>
7. Enter Subject Here. Darnn, you didn't enter me.
From: "bigmack" <bigmack@...>
8. RE: Yield Policy
From: "I'm on a road to nowhere ..." <douglas@...>
9. Re: Yield Policy
From: "I'm on a road to nowhere ..." <douglas@...>
10. Re: Yield Policy
From: "Adam J. Overton" <adamo@...>
11. Re: Yield Policy
From: "Mikaela" <mikaela1@...>
12. RE: Yield Policy
From: "Ralph" <carothersr@...>
13. Re: Yield Policy
From: "Mikaela" <mikaela1@...>
14. Re: Yield Policy
From: "FlashD" <DunleyG@...>
15. Re: Yield Policy
From: "Mikaela" <mikaela1@...>
16. RE: Yield Policy
From: "Deane, Ben" <BDeane@...>

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:08:13 -0400
From: "Ralph" <carothersr@...>
Subject: RE: Yield Policy

Its funny to see this on a CLERICAL HELP list first off....secondly....why
cant you go and BUY the item from the lower levels then? Granted, you cant
do this with all of the lower levels....but do you know how often I've had
higher levels come in without as many principles as most of you? Why dont
you start bitching at those who HAVE gone and made this a problem?

Example: I'm in Blackburrow one day. The onyx earrings have to be one of
the SIMPLEST things to get ahold of. A Magician, lvl 27 walks in, says he's
here to get the earring, and he'll take everything until he does....if we
dont like it....LEAVE.

Yeah, this is a great attitude people. We had 2 of the damn things to sell,
and offered them and his answer: "WHy should I buy from a lower level when
I can get them myself." Or then we have the fact that I can pick these
suckers up at HOW MANY merchants?

For the paw of opalla quest you could EASILY purchase the damn rings from
lower levels who got them....not only does it get rid of some of that cash
you had sitting around doing NOTHING, but it keeps everyone happy.

Bann

-----Original Message-----
From: Mystik [mailto:mystik@...]
Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 7:48 AM
To: EQ-Clerics@onelist.com
Subject: Re: [EQ-Clerics] Yield Policy

From: Mystik <mystik@...>

mik, i agree wholeheartedly....there are items i'd like to get as well,
because
i wason't able or didn't know about them till the mobs wouldn't give me
exp....seems the fair thing to do is what you said...<paraphrased> first
come,
first serve

(\/)ystix

Mikaela wrote:

> From: "Mikaela" <mikaela1@...>
>
> I'll tell you what my whole opinion is on this camping/yield issue. I

think

> the
> first group there stays there, regardless of their level. And noone

is able

> to throw
> another group out if that group was there first.
>
> I have wanted a nightshade wreath and gem sceptre for ages. So today,
> myself and 5 other level 50s went to camp MM castle. Everything there

was

> green to us, but myself and a level 50 shaman friend wanted wreaths

and

> sceptres, which we didn't have. Under Brad's rule, if a group of
> level 35+ comes, and they can get exp for that area, then we have to

yield

> and give up a spot we have been at for hours. Tell me where the

fairness in

> THAT
> rule is.
>
> Since there are very few places I can get exp anymore and have maxxed
> out level 50, I am going around and getting items I don't have because

I was

> focusing on exp and helping others level as well. I plan to do the

Paw of

> Opallo quest next. Mitty is green to me, as is Gynok Moltar. Should

I have

> to leave camping them just because lower levels come to camp for the

same

> items I
> want? I think that is totally unfair. Just because I am level 50

doesn't

> mean I"m not
> entitled to get items I don't have just because the mobs don't give me

exp

> anymore.
>
> Again, my opinion is....first there stays there. Then when they

leave, the

> next group in line gets the camp spot. I don't think levels should

have

> anything to do with who gets the camp spot. I don't think high levels
> should force lower levels away from a camp spot, and I don't think

lower

> levels should be able to force higher levels away if they were there

first.

> To do it any other way discriminates against one group over another

(higher

> vs. lower).
>
> And I'll tell you this....if a GM tells me to leave a camp spot I have

been

> at
> for hours for an item I don't have that I want just because some lower
> levels arrived and want my spot, then I won't be playing EQ for very
> much longer.
>
> The only fair way IMO is first there stays there, regardless of level,

then

> whomever was next gets it next, and so on and so on. Get in line and

take a

> number. No one group of players should be favored over another.
>
> To do it Brad's way, would mean that any player that didn't get an

item

> while he/she was
> able to get exp from that particular mob could basically never get

that item

> cause they could be
> thrown out of the camp spot everytime lower levels came along. This

> totally not fair.
>
> Mik (who abhors discrimination or favoritism in any way, shape or

form)

>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Erik Maynus <jmaynus@...>
> To: EQ-Clerics@onelist.com <EQ-Clerics@onelist.com>
> Date: Saturday, September 11, 1999 11:41 PM
> Subject: [EQ-Clerics] Yield Policy
>
> >From: "John Erik Maynus" <jmaynus@...>
> >
> >What does everyone think of this Yield Policy? In case you never

heard of

> >it, it Brads new way of getting rid of high lvl characters camping

lower

> lvl
> >spawn points.
> >This is what he said but it
> >
> >"If a higher level player who would get no exp for the kill is

camping a

> >spawn, and a group of players that would get exp (meaning they should

> >there) wants to fight there, the higher level player must yield. The

lower

> >level group has the right of way.
> >
> >As for the other disciplinary information in that post, it sounds

like the

> >same policy that's always been in place: if you are warned several

times

> and
> >continue to break the rules, you will be banned."
> >
> >Do you all think this will work or just tick off a lot of players?

I'm not

> >sure if I'm for it or not, but also remember if your a camper doing

this

> and
> >you're warned a few times you'll be banned from the game. I don't

really

> >camp, I do in a few spots but not a lot but only in places that give

> exp.
> >He said it wouldn't be actively enforced till it was officially

announced.

> >Some ppl are wanting us to be able to vote yes or no on it but as of

now

> >Brad isn't letting us vote
> >
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:09:08 -0400
From: "Mikaela" <mikaela1@...>
Subject: Re: Yield Policy

Bann,

You are missing the entire point of my post. I am talking about the
principle itself. That no one group of people should be discriminated
against or treated differently or penalized because they happen to be of a
higher OR lower level. THAT is the point. And it doesn't matter whether or
not you can buy the item from someone else....and believe me, I have tried
to buy the rings and they are getting more costly than the Box of Abu-Kar IF
you can even find them. But again, that is NOT the point. It is the
PRINCIPLE behind Brad's yield policy that I am saying I feel is just flat
wrong because it treats groups differently, which I do not believe is fair.
A broad sweeping policy change such as this is going to create significant
problems from my viewpoint, especially among higher levels such as myself
who are now attempting to acquire certain items I haven't gotten in the
past, for whatever reason.

And yes, I do know there are higher level jerks out there who feel they can
push their way into any area and take what they want just because they are
higher level and have more fire/melee power. But I am not responsible for
the actions of these people, who will exist in any online game you play, and
I certainly don't believe responsible, mature players like myself should be
penalized because of them. And in my experience, bitching at these types of
people, as you suggest, is a waste of time and effort...you can't change
people, and they will continue to play as they will, good or bad.

Again, I feel the policy should be...first there stays there, and then the
next in line gets the spot, regardless of level. This is the fair way to do
it.

Mikaela R'achai, aka Mik
Level 50 cleric and servant of Mithaniel Marr on The Rathe
-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph <carothersr@...>
To: EQ-Clerics@onelist.com <EQ-Clerics@onelist.com>
Date: Sunday, September 12, 1999 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: [EQ-Clerics] Yield Policy

>From: "Ralph" <carothersr@...>
>
>Its funny to see this on a CLERICAL HELP list first off....secondly....why
>cant you go and BUY the item from the lower levels then? Granted, you cant
>do this with all of the lower levels....but do you know how often I've had
>higher levels come in without as many principles as most of you? Why dont
>you start bitching at those who HAVE gone and made this a problem?
>
>Example: I'm in Blackburrow one day. The onyx earrings have to be one of
>the SIMPLEST things to get ahold of. A Magician, lvl 27 walks in, says

he's

>here to get the earring, and he'll take everything until he does....if we
>dont like it....LEAVE.
>
>Yeah, this is a great attitude people. We had 2 of the damn things to sell,
>and offered them and his answer: "WHy should I buy from a lower level when
>I can get them myself." Or then we have the fact that I can pick these
>suckers up at HOW MANY merchants?
>
>
>For the paw of opalla quest you could EASILY purchase the damn rings from
>lower levels who got them....not only does it get rid of some of that cash
>you had sitting around doing NOTHING, but it keeps everyone happy.
>
>
>Bann
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mystik [mailto:mystik@...]
>Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 7:48 AM
>To: EQ-Clerics@onelist.com
>Subject: Re: [EQ-Clerics] Yield Policy
>
>
>From: Mystik <mystik@...>
>
>mik, i agree wholeheartedly....there are items i'd like to get as well,
>because
>i wason't able or didn't know about them till the mobs wouldn't give me
>exp....seems the fair thing to do is what you said...<paraphrased> first
>come,
>first serve
>
>(\/)ystix
>
>Mikaela wrote:
>
>> From: "Mikaela" <mikaela1@...>
>>
>> I'll tell you what my whole opinion is on this camping/yield issue. I
>think
>> the
>> first group there stays there, regardless of their level. And noone
>is able
>> to throw
>> another group out if that group was there first.
>>
>> I have wanted a nightshade wreath and gem sceptre for ages. So today,
>> myself and 5 other level 50s went to camp MM castle. Everything there
>was
>> green to us, but myself and a level 50 shaman friend wanted wreaths
>and
>> sceptres, which we didn't have. Under Brad's rule, if a group of
>> level 35+ comes, and they can get exp for that area, then we have to
>yield
>> and give up a spot we have been at for hours. Tell me where the
>fairness in
>> THAT
>> rule is.
>>
>> Since there are very few places I can get exp anymore and have maxxed
>> out level 50, I am going around and getting items I don't have because
>I was
>> focusing on exp and helping others level as well. I plan to do the
>Paw of
>> Opallo quest next. Mitty is green to me, as is Gynok Moltar. Should
>I have
>> to leave camping them just because lower levels come to camp for the
>same
>> items I
>> want? I think that is totally unfair. Just because I am level 50
>doesn't
>> mean I"m not
>> entitled to get items I don't have just because the mobs don't give me
>exp
>> anymore.
>>
>> Again, my opinion is....first there stays there. Then when they
>leave, the
>> next group in line gets the camp spot. I don't think levels should
>have
>> anything to do with who gets the camp spot. I don't think high levels
>> should force lower levels away from a camp spot, and I don't think
>lower
>> levels should be able to force higher levels away if they were there
>first.
>> To do it any other way discriminates against one group over another
>(higher
>> vs. lower).
>>
>> And I'll tell you this....if a GM tells me to leave a camp spot I have
>been
>> at
>> for hours for an item I don't have that I want just because some lower
>> levels arrived and want my spot, then I won't be playing EQ for very
>> much longer.
>>
>> The only fair way IMO is first there stays there, regardless of level,
>then
>> whomever was next gets it next, and so on and so on. Get in line and
>take a
>> number. No one group of players should be favored over another.
>>
>> To do it Brad's way, would mean that any player that didn't get an
>item
>> while he/she was
>> able to get exp from that particular mob could basically never get
>that item
>> cause they could be
>> thrown out of the camp spot everytime lower levels came along. This
>is
>> totally not fair.
>>
>> Mik (who abhors discrimination or favoritism in any way, shape or
>form)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Erik Maynus <jmaynus@...>
>> To: EQ-Clerics@onelist.com <EQ-Clerics@onelist.com>
>> Date: Saturday, September 11, 1999 11:41 PM
>> Subject: [EQ-Clerics] Yield Policy
>>
>> >From: "John Erik Maynus" <jmaynus@...>
>> >
>> >What does everyone think of this Yield Policy? In case you never
>heard of
>> >it, it Brads new way of getting rid of high lvl characters camping
>lower
>> lvl
>> >spawn points.
>> >This is what he said but it
>> >
>> >"If a higher level player who would get no exp for the kill is
>camping a
>> >spawn, and a group of players that would get exp (meaning they should
>be
>> >there) wants to fight there, the higher level player must yield. The
>lower
>> >level group has the right of way.
>> >
>> >As for the other disciplinary information in that post, it sounds
>like the
>> >same policy that's always been in place: if you are warned several
>times
>> and
>> >continue to break the rules, you will be banned."
>> >
>> >Do you all think this will work or just tick off a lot of players?
>I'm not
>> >sure if I'm for it or not, but also remember if your a camper doing
>this
>> and
>> >you're warned a few times you'll be banned from the game. I don't
>really
>> >camp, I do in a few spots but not a lot but only in places that give
>me
>> exp.
>> >He said it wouldn't be actively enforced till it was officially
>announced.
>> >Some ppl are wanting us to be able to vote yes or no on it but as of
>now
>> >Brad isn't letting us vote
>> >
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>> >Lvl 18 Human Cleric of the Rathe
>> >**************************
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:39:12 -0400
From: "Ralph" <carothersr@...>
Subject: RE: Yield Policy

it IS the point....you look at it as discrimination....ok....what about
those who can NOT spend hours like some people who do not work....dont go to
school etc? so its fair these people, who should be able to get the same
items too cannot because people who could have had these things at lvl 25,
decide at lvl 50 they want them? I play in SOL A all the time....you know
what I see? lvl 30+ killing creatures they could do EASILY solo, that have
been green for over 8-10 lvls, just to get ONE RARE SPAWN...meanwhile the
lower lvls cant get crap....exp OR items.

You talk about fairness, yet yo dont look at the WHOLE picture....people
cant be in the game 24/7....and if you are...I'm sorry...you've got bigger
problems then whining about this game. People complain about the economy,
yet when things are done to fix it...you dont like it either. I truly hope
that Verant goes and codes in "green cons give SQUAT" so you all can shut up
and leave, or stay and play and stop whining.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mikaela [mailto:mikaela1@...]
Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 11:09 AM
To: EQ-Clerics@onelist.com
Subject: Re: [EQ-Clerics] Yield Policy

From: "Mikaela" <mikaela1@...>

Bann,

You are missing the entire point of my post. I am talking about the
principle itself. That no one group of people should be discriminated
against or treated differently or penalized because they happen to be of
a
higher OR lower level. THAT is the point. And it doesn't matter
whether or
not you can buy the item from someone else....and believe me, I have
tried
to buy the rings and they are getting more costly than the Box of
Abu-Kar IF
you can even find them. But again, that is NOT the point. It is the
PRINCIPLE behind Brad's yield policy that I am saying I feel is just
flat
wrong because it treats groups differently, which I do not believe is
fair.
A broad sweeping policy change such as this is going to create
significant
problems from my viewpoint, especially among higher levels such as
myself
who are now attempting to acquire certain items I haven't gotten in the
past, for whatever reason.

And yes, I do know there are higher level jerks out there who feel they
can
push their way into any area and take what they want just because they
are
higher level and have more fire/melee power. But I am not responsible
for
the actions of these people, who will exist in any online game you play,
and
I certainly don't believe responsible, mature players like myself should
be
penalized because of them. And in my experience, bitching at these
types of
people, as you suggest, is a waste of time and effort...you can't change
people, and they will continue to play as they will, good or bad.

Again, I feel the policy should be...first there stays there, and then
the
next in line gets the spot, regardless of level. This is the fair way
to do
it.

Mikaela R'achai, aka Mik
Level 50 cleric and servant of Mithaniel Marr on The Rathe
-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph <carothersr@...>
To: EQ-Clerics@onelist.com <EQ-Clerics@onelist.com>
Date: Sunday, September 12, 1999 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: [EQ-Clerics] Yield Policy

>From: "Ralph" <carothersr@...>
>
>Its funny to see this on a CLERICAL HELP list first

off....secondly....why

>cant you go and BUY the item from the lower levels then? Granted, you

cant

>do this with all of the lower levels....but do you know how often I've

had

>higher levels come in without as many principles as most of you? Why

dont

>you start bitching at those who HAVE gone and made this a problem?
>
>Example: I'm in Blackburrow one day. The onyx earrings have to be one

>the SIMPLEST things to get ahold of. A Magician, lvl 27 walks in, says

he's

>here to get the earring, and he'll take everything until he does....if

>dont like it....LEAVE.
>
>Yeah, this is a great attitude people. We had 2 of the damn things to

sell,

>and offered them and his answer: "WHy should I buy from a lower level

when

>I can get them myself." Or then we have the fact that I can pick these
>suckers up at HOW MANY merchants?
>
>
>For the paw of opalla quest you could EASILY purchase the damn rings

from

>lower levels who got them....not only does it get rid of some of that

cash

>you had sitting around doing NOTHING, but it keeps everyone happy.
>
>
>Bann
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mystik [mailto:mystik@...]
>Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 7:48 AM
>To: EQ-Clerics@onelist.com
>Subject: Re: [EQ-Clerics] Yield Policy
>
>
>From: Mystik <mystik@...>
>
>mik, i agree wholeheartedly....there are items i'd like to get as well,
>because
>i wason't able or didn't know about them till the mobs wouldn't give me
>exp....seems the fair thing to do is what you said...<paraphrased>

first

>come,
>first serve
>
>(\/)ystix
>
>Mikaela wrote:
>
>> From: "Mikaela" <mikaela1@...>
>>
>> I'll tell you what my whole opinion is on this camping/yield issue.

>think
>> the
>> first group there stays there, regardless of their level. And noone
>is able
>> to throw
>> another group out if that group was there first.
>>
>> I have wanted a nightshade wreath and gem sceptre for ages. So

today,

>> myself and 5 other level 50s went to camp MM castle. Everything

there

>was
>> green to us, but myself and a level 50 shaman friend wanted wreaths
>and
>> sceptres, which we didn't have. Under Brad's rule, if a group of
>> level 35+ comes, and they can get exp for that area, then we have to
>yield
>> and give up a spot we have been at for hours. Tell me where the
>fairness in
>> THAT
>> rule is.
>>
>> Since there are very few places I can get exp anymore and have maxxed
>> out level 50, I am going around and getting items I don't have

because

>I was
>> focusing on exp and helping others level as well. I plan to do the
>Paw of
>> Opallo quest next. Mitty is green to me, as is Gynok Moltar. Should
>I have
>> to leave camping them just because lower levels come to camp for the
>same
>> items I
>> want? I think that is totally unfair. Just because I am level 50
>doesn't
>> mean I"m not
>> entitled to get items I don't have just because the mobs don't give

>exp
>> anymore.
>>
>> Again, my opinion is....first there stays there. Then when they
>leave, the
>> next group in line gets the camp spot. I don't think levels should
>have
>> anything to do with who gets the camp spot. I don't think high

levels

>> should force lower levels away from a camp spot, and I don't think
>lower
>> levels should be able to force higher levels away if they were there
>first.
>> To do it any other way discriminates against one group over another
>(higher
>> vs. lower).
>>
>> And I'll tell you this....if a GM tells me to leave a camp spot I

have

>been
>> at
>> for hours for an item I don't have that I want just because some

lower

>> levels arrived and want my spot, then I won't be playing EQ for very
>> much longer.
>>
>> The only fair way IMO is first there stays there, regardless of

level,

>then
>> whomever was next gets it next, and so on and so on. Get in line and
>take a
>> number. No one group of players should be favored over another.
>>
>> To do it Brad's way, would mean that any player that didn't get an
>item
>> while he/she was
>> able to get exp from that particular mob could basically never get
>that item
>> cause they could be
>> thrown out of the camp spot everytime lower levels came along. This
>is
>> totally not fair.
>>
>> Mik (who abhors discrimination or favoritism in any way, shape or
>form)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Erik Maynus <jmaynus@...>
>> To: EQ-Clerics@onelist.com <EQ-Clerics@onelist.com>
>> Date: Saturday, September 11, 1999 11:41 PM
>> Subject: [EQ-Clerics] Yield Policy
>>
>> >From: "John Erik Maynus" <jmaynus@...>
>> >
>> >What does everyone think of this Yield Policy? In case you never
>heard of
>> >it, it Brads new way of getting rid of high lvl characters camping
>lower
>> lvl
>> >spawn points.
>> >This is what he said but it
>> >
>> >"If a higher level player who would get no exp for the kill is
>camping a
>> >spawn, and a group of players that would get exp (meaning they

should

>be
>> >there) wants to fight there, the higher level player must yield. The
>lower
>> >level group has the right of way.
>> >
>> >As for the other disciplinary information in that post, it sounds
>like the
>> >same policy that's always been in place: if you are warned several
>times
>> and
>> >continue to break the rules, you will be banned."
>> >
>> >Do you all think this will work or just tick off a lot of players?
>I'm not
>> >sure if I'm for it or not, but also remember if your a camper doing
>this
>> and
>> >you're warned a few times you'll be banned from the game. I don't
>really
>> >camp, I do in a few spots but not a lot but only in places that give
>me
>> exp.
>> >He said it wouldn't be actively enforced till it was officially
>announced.
>> >Some ppl are wanting us to be able to vote yes or no on it but as of
>now
>> >Brad isn't letting us vote
>> >
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:08:59 -0400
From: Aosinator <darshan@...>
Subject: RE: Yield Policy

Bann,

>Its funny to see this on a CLERICAL HELP list first off....secondly....why
>cant you go and BUY the item from the lower levels then? Granted, you cant
>do this with all of the lower levels....but do you know how often I've had
>higher levels come in without as many principles as most of you? Why dont
>you start bitching at those who HAVE gone and made this a problem?

Simply because it's not our place to start bitching at those who have gone
and made this problem. Doing so would not solve any problems, it would just
aggravate us. Sure, some higher levels are jerks, but should everyone be
penalized for it?

>Example: I'm in Blackburrow one day. The onyx earrings have to be one of
>the SIMPLEST things to get ahold of. A Magician, lvl 27 walks in, says

he's

>here to get the earring, and he'll take everything until he does....if we
>dont like it....LEAVE.

Well then, I would simply take this persons name down, see if he is in a
guild, and then post a message on the proper message boards to warn people
off about him. Granted, there's not a whole lot you can do about it, but at
least you can try to warn other peeps about this moron's practices.

>Yeah, this is a great attitude people. We had 2 of the damn things to sell,
>and offered them and his answer: "WHy should I buy from a lower level when
>I can get them myself." Or then we have the fact that I can pick these
>suckers up at HOW MANY merchants?

So you assume that all high level players have this attitude? If not, what
bearing does this have on the original question, is it fair to displace
players who don't get xp for a mob, in deference to those players that do?

>For the paw of opalla quest you could EASILY purchase the damn rings from
>lower levels who got them....not only does it get rid of some of that cash
>you had sitting around doing NOTHING, but it keeps everyone happy.

Easily? Do you know how long I've been waiting to purchase just the
platinum ring for this quest? About a good 3 weeks now, if not longer. Not
a single one have I seen for sale at a bazaar or otherwise. Sure, the
silver and copper are easy to come by, I'll give you that much, but the gold
and platinum rings are all but impossible to buy. I've also spent a
ludicrous amount of time waiting for Gynok Moltor, just like everyone else
has.

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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:06:49 -0400
From: "Mikaela" <mikaela1@...>
Subject: Re: Yield Policy

Not that it's any of your business, and I have no intention of getting into
a flame war, but I DO work full time and I have family obligations as well,
so I cannot play 24/7 as you seem to suggest. I know many high levels who
work and go to school, or work and have families. Sometimes playing smart
with a good group gets you farther than the number of actual hours you spend
in the game.

And the first come first serve rule doesn't stop lower levels from getting
items or exp at all, as you also seem to suggest. The point being, you want
a rare item, then get in line to get it. How does that rule keep lower
levels from getting items? If they get there first, then it's their camp
spot. Has nothing to do with your level at all.

And as far as lower levels not being able to get any exp, there are many
many more places for lower levels to get exp than there are higher levels,
which is Verant's fault for not creating more playable high level zones.
Fear Plane solved a lot of problems in crowding in SolB and LGuk for the
high levels, but then they tweaked it and noone can hunt there anymore
because it's nothing but suicide when you enter.

Mik

-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph <carothersr@...>
To: EQ-Clerics@onelist.com <EQ-Clerics@onelist.com>
Date: Sunday, September 12, 1999 11:39 AM
Subject: RE: [EQ-Clerics] Yield Policy

>From: "Ralph" <carothersr@...>
>
>it IS the point....you look at it as discrimination....ok....what about
>those who can NOT spend hours like some people who do not work....dont go

>school etc? so its fair these people, who should be able to get the same
>items too cannot because people who could have had these things at lvl 25,
>decide at lvl 50 they want them? I play in SOL A all the time....you know
>what I see? lvl 30+ killing creatures they could do EASILY solo, that have
>been green for over 8-10 lvls, just to get ONE RARE SPAWN...meanwhile the
>lower lvls cant get crap....exp OR items.
>
>
>You talk about fairness, yet yo dont look at the WHOLE picture....people
>cant be in the game 24/7....and if you are...I'm sorry...you've got bigger
>problems then whining about this game. People complain about the economy,
>yet when things are done to fix it...you dont like it either. I truly hope
>that Verant goes and codes in "green cons give SQUAT" so you all can shut

>and leave, or stay and play and stop whining.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mikaela [mailto:mikaela1@...]
>Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 11:09 AM
>To: EQ-Clerics@onelist.com
>Subject: Re: [EQ-Clerics] Yield Policy
>
>
>From: "Mikaela" <mikaela1@...>
>
>Bann,
>
>You are missing the entire point of my post. I am talking about the
>principle itself. That no one group of people should be discriminated
>against or treated differently or penalized because they happen to be of
>a
>higher OR lower level. THAT is the point. And it doesn't matter
>whether or
>not you can buy the item from someone else....and believe me, I have
>tried
>to buy the rings and they are getting more costly than the Box of
>Abu-Kar IF
>you can even find them. But again, that is NOT the point. It is the
>PRINCIPLE behind Brad's yield policy that I am saying I feel is just
>flat
>wrong because it treats groups differently, which I do not believe is
>fair.
>A broad sweeping policy change such as this is going to create
>significant
>problems from my viewpoint, especially among higher levels such as
>myself
>who are now attempting to acquire certain items I haven't gotten in the
>past, for whatever reason.
>
>And yes, I do know there are higher level jerks out there who feel they
>can
>push their way into any area and take what they want just because they
>are
>higher level and have more fire/melee power. But I am not responsible
>for
>the actions of these people, who will exist in any online game you play,
>and
>I certainly don't believe responsible, mature players like myself should
>be
>penalized because of them. And in my experience, bitching at these
>types of
>people, as you suggest, is a waste of time and effort...you can't change
>people, and they will continue to play as they will, good or bad.
>
>Again, I feel the policy should be...first there stays there, and then
>the
>next in line gets the spot, regardless of level. This is the fair way
>to do
>it.
>
>Mikaela R'achai, aka Mik
>Level 50 cleric and servant of Mithaniel Marr on The Rathe
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ralph <carothersr@...>
>To: EQ-Clerics@onelist.com <EQ-Clerics@onelist.com>
>Date: Sunday, September 12, 1999 10:07 AM
>Subject: RE: [EQ-Clerics] Yield Policy
>
>
>>From: "Ralph" <carothersr@...>
>>
>>Its funny to see this on a CLERICAL HELP list first
>off....secondly....why
>>cant you go and BUY the item from the lower levels then? Granted, you
>cant
>>do this with all of the lower levels....but do you know how often I've
>had
>>higher levels come in without as many principles as most of you? Why
>dont
>>you start bitching at those who HAVE gone and made this a problem?
>>
>>Example: I'm in Blackburrow one day. The onyx earrings have to be one
>of
>>the SIMPLEST things to get ahold of. A Magician, lvl 27 walks in, says
>he's
>>here to get the earring, and he'll take everything until he does....if
>we
>>dont like it....LEAVE.
>>
>>Yeah, this is a great attitude people. We had 2 of the damn things to
>sell,
>>and offered them and his answer: "WHy should I buy from a lower level
>when
>>I can get them myself." Or then we have the fact that I can pick these
>>suckers up at HOW MANY merchants?
>>
>>
>>For the paw of opalla quest you could EASILY purchase the damn rings
>from
>>lower levels who got them....not only does it get rid of some of that
>cash
>>you had sitting around doing NOTHING, but it keeps everyone happy.
>>
>>
>>Bann
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Mystik [mailto:mystik@...]
>>Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 7:48 AM
>>To: EQ-Clerics@onelist.com
>>Subject: Re: [EQ-Clerics] Yield Policy
>>
>>
>>From: Mystik <mystik@...>
>>
>>mik, i agree wholeheartedly....there are items i'd like to get as well,
>>because
>>i wason't able or didn't know about them till the mobs wouldn't give me
>>exp....seems the fair thing to do is what you said...<paraphrased>
>first
>>come,
>>first serve
>>
>>(\/)ystix
>>
>>Mikaela wrote:
>>
>>> From: "Mikaela" <mikaela1@...>
>>>
>>> I'll tell you what my whole opinion is on this camping/yield issue.
>I
>>think
>>> the
>>> first group there stays there, regardless of their level. And noone
>>is able
>>> to throw
>>> another group out if that group was there first.
>>>
>>> I have wanted a nightshade wreath and gem sceptre for ages. So
>today,
>>> myself and 5 other level 50s went to camp MM castle. Everything
>there
>>was
>>> green to us, but myself and a level 50 shaman friend wanted wreaths
>>and
>>> sceptres, which we didn't have. Under Brad's rule, if a group of
>>> level 35+ comes, and they can get exp for that area, then we have to
>>yield
>>> and give up a spot we have been at for hours. Tell me where the
>>fairness in
>>> THAT
>>> rule is.
>>>
>>> Since there are very few places I can get exp anymore and have maxxed
>>> out level 50, I am going around and getting items I don't have
>because
>>I was
>>> focusing on exp and helping others level as well. I plan to do the
>>Paw of
>>> Opallo quest next. Mitty is green to me, as is Gynok Moltar. Should
>>I have
>>> to leave camping them just because lower levels come to camp for the
>>same
>>> items I
>>> want? I think that is totally unfair. Just because I am level 50
>>doesn't
>>> mean I"m not
>>> entitled to get items I don't have just because the mobs don't give
>me
>>exp
>>> anymore.
>>>
>>> Again, my opinion is....first there stays there. Then when they
>>leave, the
>>> next group in line gets the camp spot. I don't think levels should
>>have
>>> anything to do with who gets the camp spot. I don't think high
>levels
>>> should force lower levels away from a camp spot, and I don't think
>>lower
>>> levels should be able to force higher levels away if they were there
>>first.
>>> To do it any other way discriminates against one group over another
>>(higher
>>> vs. lower).
>>>
>>> And I'll tell you this....if a GM tells me to leave a camp spot I
>have
>>been
>>> at
>>> for hours for an item I don't have that I want just because some
>lower
>>> levels arrived and want my spot, then I won't be playing EQ for very
>>> much longer.
>>>
>>> The only fair way IMO is first there stays there, regardless of
>level,
>>then
>>> whomever was next gets it next, and so on and so on. Get in line and
>>take a
>>> number. No one group of players should be favored over another.
>>>
>>> To do it Brad's way, would mean that any player that didn't get an
>>item
>>> while he/she was
>>> able to get exp from that particular mob could basically never get
>>that item
>>> cause they could be
>>> thrown out of the camp spot everytime lower levels came along. This
>>is
>>> totally not fair.
>>>
>>> Mik (who abhors discrimination or favoritism in any way, shape or
>>form)
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: John Erik Maynus <jmaynus@...>
>>> To: EQ-Clerics@onelist.com <EQ-Clerics@onelist.com>
>>> Date: Saturday, September 11, 1999 11:41 PM
>>> Subject: [EQ-Clerics] Yield Policy
>>>
>>> >From: "John Erik Maynus" <jmaynus@...>
>>> >
>>> >What does everyone think of this Yield Policy? In case you never
>>heard of
>>> >it, it Brads new way of getting rid of high lvl characters camping
>>lower
>>> lvl
>>> >spawn points.
>>> >This is what he said but it
>>> >
>>> >"If a higher level player who would get no exp for the kill is
>>camping a
>>> >spawn, and a group of players that would get exp (meaning they
>should
>>be
>>> >there) wants to fight there, the higher level player must yield. The
>>lower
>>> >level group has the right of way.
>>> >
>>> >As for the other disciplinary information in that post, it sounds
>>like the
>>> >same policy that's always been in place: if you are warned several
>>times
>>> and
>>> >continue to break the rules, you will be banned."
>>> >
>>> >Do you all think this will work or just tick off a lot of players?
>>I'm not
>>> >sure if I'm for it or not, but also remember if your a camper doing
>>this
>>> and
>>> >you're warned a few times you'll be banned from the game. I don't
>>really
>>> >camp, I do in a few spots but not a lot but only in places that give
>>me
>>> exp.
>>> >He said it wouldn't be actively enforced till it was officially
>>announced.
>>> >Some ppl are wanting us to be able to vote yes or no on it but as of
>>now
>>> >Brad isn't letting us vote
>>> >
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>>> >Lvl 18 Human Cleric of the Rathe
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>it IS the point....you look at it as discrimination....ok....what about
>those who can NOT spend hours like some people who do not work....dont go

>school etc? so its fair these people, who should be able to get the same
>items too cannot because people who could have had these things at lvl 25,
>decide at lvl 50 they want them? I play in SOL A all the time....you know
>what I see? lvl 30+ killing creatures they could do EASILY solo, that have
>been green for over 8-10 lvls, just to get ONE RARE SPAWN...meanwhile the
>lower lvls cant get crap....exp OR items.

People who CHOOSE not to spend hours playing this game, do just that, CHOOSE
not to spend hours playing. Hence, no one is discriminating against them on
issues of camping, they are simply takign themself out of the picture. You
seem to making sweeping generalizations again, not all high level players
"do not work....dont go to school etc". A large number of us hold full time
jobs, and simply choose to spend our free time playing this game.

From personal experience, even a level 50 character would have some
difficulties dealing with all the aggressive mobs in SolA, especially
clerics. Everything, and I do mean EVERYTHING in SolA will aggro any
player. Sure a Young goblin and even Cinder goblins aren't too hard to deal
with. However, when you walk into a room with a flame goblin, inferno
goblin, and cinder goblin wizards, it's goign to take you quite some time to
clear it. Hence, a group, no matter what level will be necessary to go
anywhere do just about anything in SolA. SolA is a very large zone, if you
are having a hard time finding a place to garner experience, perhaps you
aren't looking in the right place. Even at level 30 to level 34, there are
quite a number of places you can garner decent xp in the place.

>You talk about fairness, yet yo dont look at the WHOLE picture....people
>cant be in the game 24/7....and if you are...I'm sorry...you've got bigger
>problems then whining about this game. People complain about the economy,
>yet when things are done to fix it...you dont like it either. I truly hope
>that Verant goes and codes in "green cons give SQUAT" so you all can shut

>and leave, or stay and play and stop whining.

I'm sorry to say that we are lookign at the big picture, just as you are,
but we don't have any bias when we do. It seems like ye have some
resentment against higher level players, for whatever reason, and that's
bleeding into your point of view. I'm not in the game 24/7, not even close
to it (excpet perhaps on the weekends, where I tend to play at between 12 to
14 hours, weeknights are about 4-7 hours a night). I don't profess to
understand what you are speakign of when "people complain about the
econonmy", but if two peeps are willing to come to an agreement to the
relative worth of an item... then I'd say the economy is workign just fine.
If you want to see a healthy economy in EQ in action, just attend the
bazaars that are held every saturday in the East Commonlands.

Further, if all you can manage to do in further posts is present yourself in
a resentful and accusatory way, I think this discussion with you is pretty
much done. If ye can't present your ideas without flaming anyone about
"whining" and telling us the solution is simply for us to stop playing,
perhaps it's best if this we all let this matter be.

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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:17:36 -0400
From: "bigmack" <bigmack@...>
Subject: Enter Subject Here. Darnn, you didn't enter me.

Okay, let me try:
Albus
8th Circle of the Group That Clerics Belong To
Lives in the land of The Green.

Okay, maybe that's not right?

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Topics in today's digest:

1. Re: another topic: lvl description
From: "I. G" <shadowtg1@...>
2. Re: Rathe Guilds
From: "I. G" <shadowtg1@...>
3. Re: EQ Slowly Dying?
From: "Jesse Anderton" <tsedek50@...>
4. Re: EQ Slowly Dying?
From: "Mr. J Daniels" <warpig@...>
5. RE: EQ Slowly Dying?
From: Ralph Carothers <CarothersR@...>
6. RE: EQ Slowly Dy
From: "Mr. J Daniels" <warpig@...>
7. Re: another topic
From: "Walt Zimbeck" <wzimbeck@...>
8. Re: another topic
From: <roleplay@...>
9. Re: another topic
From: "Sirensa Qi'Seraph" <Sirensa@...>
10. RE: another topic
From: Paul Heenan <pheenan@...>
11. Re: another topic
From: "Salt" <salt@...>
12. Re: another topic
From: "John Erik Maynus" <jmaynus@...>
13. Re: another topic
From: "Mike Schlagenhauf" <trelane@...>
14. RE: another topic
From: Paul Heenan <pheenan@...>
15. RE: another topic
From: Ralph Carothers <CarothersR@...>
16. Re: another topic
From: "John Erik Maynus" <jmaynus@...>
17. Re: Rathe Guilds
From: Mystik <mystik@...>
18. RE: another topic
From: "Kazmaier, Jason, HMR/US" <Jason.Kazmaier@...>
19. RE: EQ Slowly Dying?
From: "Curtis Bennett" <die_kluge@...>
20. RE: EQ Slowly Dying?
From: William Durocher <williamd33@...>
21. RE: another topic
From: "Rob Berryhill" <racefan@...>
22. Re: EQ Slowly Dying?
From: Mystik <mystik@...>

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:14:12 PDT
From: "I. G" <shadowtg1@...>
Subject: Re: another topic: lvl description

I personally use

Jaxim High Cleric of Tunare
26th circle of Enlightenment.
on Tawer Marr

>From: "Rose" <rliu@...>
>Reply-To: EQ-Clerics@onelist.com
>To: <EQ-Clerics@onelist.com>
>Subject: [EQ-Clerics] another topic: lvl description
>Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:16:24 -0500
>
>From: "Rose" <rliu@...>
>
>
>
>Rangers and druids often announce themselves as name so-and-so of the
(lvl)
>seasons.
>What do cleric use? I seem to have heard circles use. For example, if I
>was to announce myself, it would be Imogen cleric of the 25th circle...or
>something like that. What do other clerics use?
>
>-Imogen
>
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:30:56 PDT
From: "I. G" <shadowtg1@...>
Subject: Re: Rathe Guilds

(\/)ystix , congrats on lvl 50 btw!

Jaxim Crystalheart, Proud member of the Balefire Clan
26th circle of enlightenment.
TW

>From: Mystik <mystik@...>
>Reply-To: EQ-Clerics@onelist.com
>To: EQ-Clerics@onelist.com
>Subject: Re: [EQ-Clerics] Rathe Guilds
>Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 18:44:22 -0400
>
>my suggestion to you would be to meet ppl in guilds.....try grouping
>with them and such, and if they feel you're worthy, they will invite you
>in the guild....try unrest <if the lag doesn't kill ya, the hag will (;
> > or maybe najena <not sure of the level range there but it's worth a
>try>
>
>(\/)ystix Spellchaser
>lv 50 human cleric of The Rathe
>
>Nick Shaffner wrote:
>
> > A bit off topic, but does anyone know of any guilds on the Rathe that
> > would suit a 21st level cleric?As the Rathe has aged and gotten a bit
> > overcrowded, I find it harder and harder to find good people to group
> > with as well as very difficult to find places to hunt that aren't
> > crammed to 200% capacity. I was thinking perhaps that a guild might be
> > able to help me here, by providing information and good
> > groupmates... Any ideas/comments? Nindar - High Elven Cleric of
> > Tunare - The Rathe --Nick Shaffnerprogrammer: Duke Nukem Forever3D
> > Realms

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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:20:16 GMT
From: "Jesse Anderton" <tsedek50@...>
Subject: Re: EQ Slowly Dying?

The real shame about a game like EQ is that once it's gone no one can play

anymore. Guess it's one of the drawbacks to massively multiplayer
games...

I hope it isn't dying any time soon.

Tsedek
Level 14 High Elf Cleric of Mithaniel Marr

>From: "John Erik Maynus" <jmaynus@...>
>Reply-To: EQ-Clerics@onelist.com
>To: <EQ-Clerics@onelist.com>
>Subject: [EQ-Clerics] EQ Slowly Dying?
>Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:10:30 -0400
>
>From: "John Erik Maynus" <jmaynus@...>
>
>I've been reading on the EQ newsgroup that a good bit of ppl think EQ is
>already starting to die. Many are just bored of the game and are quiting

>or
>getting ready to, others are getting tired of Verant changing everything
>and
>some of it is for the worse. I've read where they are saying it's too
late
>to save EQ, some even say even the new addon will not save it cause it'll
>still be the same game with just some new things. And yeah it might
spice
>it up a bit, but for how long, I give it 3-4 months tops. After 3-4
months
>the power gamers will already have the extra lvls, everyone should have
>been
>in all the new zones, had a chance to play the new lizardman race. So
once
>that happens it's gonna be right back to where it is now.
>Some are waiting for Asheron's Call and others are waiting for
Middle-Earth
>to be released. Will AC or ME finish off EQ? I guess time will tell but
>since theres like 3-4 other RPGs coming out by the year 2000 I say one of
>them will put an end to EQ. And if EQ does die to fast it's no ones
fault
>but Verants for not listening to the paying customers, they listen to a
few
>but not the whole.
>Even tho EQ is a very good game it can't or won't be around forever.
>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:48:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Mr. J Daniels" <warpig@...>
Subject: Re: EQ Slowly Dying?

Lets see, Fennin Ro had 1900 people on it when I logged on last night, I
don't think its going anywhere soon.

On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Jesse Anderton wrote:

> From: "Jesse Anderton" <tsedek50@...>
>
> The real shame about a game like EQ is that once it's gone no one can
play
> anymore. Guess it's one of the drawbacks to massively multiplayer
games...
>
> I hope it isn't dying any time soon.
>
> Tsedek
> Level 14 High Elf Cleric of Mithaniel Marr
>
>
> >From: "John Erik Maynus" <jmaynus@...>
> >Reply-To: EQ-Clerics@onelist.com
> >To: <EQ-Clerics@onelist.com>
> >Subject: [EQ-Clerics] EQ Slowly Dying?
> >Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:10:30 -0400
> >
> >From: "John Erik Maynus" <jmaynus@...>
> >
> >I've been reading on the EQ newsgroup that a good bit of ppl think EQ
is
> >already starting to die. Many are just bored of the game and are
quiting
> >or
> >getting ready to, others are getting tired of Verant changing
everything
> >and
> >some of it is for the worse. I've read where they are saying it's too
late
> >to save EQ, some even say even the new addon will not save it cause
it'll
> >still be the same game with just some new things. And yeah it might
spice
> >it up a bit, but for how long, I give it 3-4 months tops. After 3-4
months
> >the power gamers will already have the extra lvls, everyone should have

> >been
> >in all the new zones, had a chance to play the new lizardman race. So
once
> >that happens it's gonna be right back to where it is now.
> >Some are waiting for Asheron's Call and others are waiting for
Middle-Earth
> >to be released. Will AC or ME finish off EQ? I guess time will tell
but
> >since theres like 3-4 other RPGs coming out by the year 2000 I say one
of
> >them will put an end to EQ. And if EQ does die to fast it's no ones
fault
> >but Verants for not listening to the paying customers, they listen to a
few
> >but not the whole.
> >Even tho EQ is a very good game it can't or won't be around forever.
> >
> >**************************
> >Azor
> >Lvl 18 Human Cleric of the Rathe
> >**************************
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:56:07 -0400
From: Ralph Carothers <CarothersR@...>
Subject: RE: EQ Slowly Dying?

at the same time, fennin has this because the new people joining the game
see fennin with the highest amount, and not understanding how the game
works....they head to where the most are naturally. then they get a lil
higher....dont want to lose the character, and they are then stuck. They
have no way currently to change to another server, and after a while of
beocming frustrated LEAVE the game. Fennin has a constant flood of people
in almost ALL zones. If someone finds something new, a new spawn point
which is decent, a new piece of EQ, etc....people FLOOD that zone. About
the only zones/areas I see uncrowded in EQ are zones/areas that I get
absolutly NO exp from....none what so ever in my currently lvl. Befallen
is even overcrowded (i've seen 60 people in the folks) Unrest commonly
has
60 people in it aday...most bitching about stealing kills. I'm actually
beginning to despise playing EQ because of this fact myself. You cant go
somewhere with friends and have fun because when you do, you find people
in
that spot you guys planned to hit, and if you try to join, they bitch at
you. When people start to leave, and you start seeing websites posting
how
bad it is....more and more often....you'll see an outflow of people. How
many people have you all seen leave Fennin, or any high lag server due to
frustrattion? My bet would be the same amount as the new people you've
seen
coming in.

Bann

-----Original Message-----
From: Mr. J Daniels [mailto:warpig@...]
Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 1:49 PM
To: EQ-Clerics@onelist.com
Subject: Re: [EQ-Clerics] EQ Slowly Dying?

From: "Mr. J Daniels" <warpig@...>

Lets see, Fennin Ro had 1900 people on it when I logged on last night, I
don't think its going anywhere soon.

On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Jesse Anderton wrote:

> From: "Jesse Anderton" <tsedek50@...>
>
> The real shame about a game like EQ is that once it's gone no one can
play

> anymore. Guess it's one of the drawbacks to massively multiplayer
games...
>
> I hope it isn't dying any time soon.
>
> Tsedek
> Level 14 High Elf Cleric of Mithaniel Marr
>
>
> >From: "John Erik Maynus" <jmaynus@...>
> >Reply-To: EQ-Clerics@onelist.com
> >To: <EQ-Clerics@onelist.com>
> >Subject: [EQ-Clerics] EQ Slowly Dying?
> >Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:10:30 -0400
> >
> >From: "John Erik Maynus" <jmaynus@...>
> >
> >I've been reading on the EQ newsgroup that a good bit of ppl think EQ
is
> >already starting to die. Many are just bored of the game and are
quiting

> >or
> >getting ready to, others are getting tired of Verant changing
everything
> >and
> >some of it is for the worse. I've read where they are saying it's too
late
> >to save EQ, some even say even the new addon will not save it cause
it'll
> >still be the same game with just some new things. And yeah it might
spice
> >it up a bit, but for how long, I give it 3-4 months tops. After 3-4
months
> >the power gamers will already have the extra lvls, everyone should have

> >been
> >in all the new zones, had a chance to play the new lizardman race. So
once
> >that happens it's gonna be right back to where it is now.
> >Some are waiting for Asheron's Call and others are waiting for
Middle-Earth
> >to be released. Will AC or ME finish off EQ? I guess time will tell
but
> >since theres like 3-4 other RPGs coming out by the year 2000 I say one
of
> >them will put an end to EQ. And if EQ does die to fast it's no ones
fault
> >but Verants for not listening to the paying customers, they listen to a
few
> >but not the whole.
> >Even tho EQ is a very good game it can't or won't be around forever.
> >
> >**************************
> >Azor
> >Lvl 18 Human Cleric of the Rathe
> >**************************
> >
> >
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