If you jump off a 10 story building you will fall. That is a fact.
If you jump off a 10 story building you will die. That is not a fact.
You are the only person I know who does not know the difference between a
fact and an opinion.
Maybe Bards eventually become better than Shamans in melee, but not at level
17. Dual wield was not sufficient to prevent me from being pummeled due to
the numerous stuns I received. All shamans have slam. Sure it never goes
up, but it is still sufficient to stun a 17th level bard.
Bards are better than all hybrids in magical power? Under what microscope
did you determine that? At lower levels its obviously true as the other
hybrids have no magical power. Hmm lets examine them at higher levels.
Paladin get Greater Heal, 400 hp that's 3 minutes worth of Hymn with a lute
and it takes them less time than that to meditate back the mana. They also
get Revive at their utmost level of spell use. Not to mention Lay Hands.
Rangers probably have the weakest line of spells getting nothing above Heal,
though they do get Wolf Form, cool but not overly powerful. Shadowknights
spells are fearsome. The Engulfing Darkness DoT line is devastating as it
destroys our best defense, Acellerando and it stacks with their Heat Blood.
They also now have the lifetap series. All this aside their Harm Touch
alone is a devastating if slow to recharge weapon. We do have a greater
number of spells than the other hybrids do though. Are our abilities
obviously better, I would not say so. Better in a full group of six maybe,
better in small groups, that's not apparent. Even if we were better it
certainly would not be 5-6 times better and that's how the other hybrids
relate to us in terms of melee skills.
Now since I have stated that bards magical abilities might not be so much
better than some of the other hybrids, rangers excluded as their spells are
truly weak, feel free to call me a liar. That will just be one more
definition you will need to look up on Merriam-Webster Online, right after
'fact'.
To further turn your argument around:
Bards cannot beat any caster consistently in pure magical combat. (though
I've come close with Maxell MR)
Bards cannot beat any other hybrid or melee type consistently in pure melee
combat.
Neither of those statements however true prove we are weaker than those
classes any more than yours prove we are equal in power. In my opinion, we
are weaker than several of the other classes. The weakness is not generally
overbearing but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be corrected. To be honest I
think a realignment of our skills would suffice to bridge the gap without
modifications to our spells other than including the missing ones and fixing
the broken ones. An added melee skill like Parry which succeeds more often
than Dodge, and some raised caps on skills that are currently of debatable
usefulness would help as well. Most Jack-of-all-trades are seen as
self-sufficient characters while we are definitely not designed to be very
capable on our own. We do best in groups due to the nature of our spells.
It is this very grouping nature that further undermines the usefulness of
our other skills as there will often be present others in the group whose
skill so far overshadows ours in those other areas that we might as well not
have the skill at all. There is no benefit to having Find Traps and Pick
Locks when there is a rogue in the group with more than double your skill.
If we were meant to be characters who could function on their own and do
nearly everything, if not well, that would be different. However, we are
not. We are meant to group and for every member we add to our group some of
our skills become superfluous just as our magical powers become more potent.
Kitasi
From: "Wayne Sheppard" <
mrwayne@...>
1. Bards are better than all Pure Casters and Priests in melee. (MAG, WIZ,
ENC, NEC, CLR, SHA, DRU)
2. Bards are better than all hybrids in magical power. (PAL, RNG, SK)
The above statements are facts and cannot be disputed. Every Bard should
understand these facts.
If someone tries to contradict one of the above statements, I will point
them out as a liar. Especially to those Bards who have been on this list
quite a while.
As to the nature of my messages, in the past I have made some poor choices.
But I've tried to do better. I looked at my last five messages and saw
nothing out of the ordinary. I'd be glad to discuss any of my posts with
you or anyone else in private, not on the list.
Wayne
> From: "G.W. Willman, IV" <gww6e@...>
> Subject: RE: RE: Bellow song Damage
>
> Wayne,
>
> Just curious, what server do you play on and do you play a bard? The
> reason I ask is because you emails are consistently sniping in nature and
> generally flamebait. I'll be the first to defend your right to free
speech
> however I would ask that you perhaps temper somewhat your future remarks
> with the fact this is a public forum meant for discussion -- closing doors
> via naked accusations and bombastic proclamations offers little room for
> such to take place on a mutually respectful level.
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