> Maybe Bards eventually become better than Shamans in melee, but not at
level
> 17. Dual wield was not sufficient to prevent me from being pummeled due
to
> the numerous stuns I received. All shamans have slam. Sure it never goes
> up, but it is still sufficient to stun a 17th level bard.
You keep referring back to this unfair test you did. I believe you admitted
that the Shaman was equipped with a LJ Vest and other items not readily
accessible to a level 17. You were also equipped with substandard items,
Studded Leather for the most part. A Bard of the 17th level should be
wearing Full Banded with a few Bronze pieces at minimum.
I have no doubt that if you did the test again with comparably equipped PCs,
the Bard would win just about every time.
Wayne