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Message ID: 10708
Date: Tue Nov 30 01:13:47 GMT 1999
Author: Dark
Subject: Re: Great post on item balancing (Long)


Well 250pp for a PGT is great in my opinion I remember when those things
sold for 500pp. Newbies have a lot better weapons now a days and you have to
remember they can't b alance everthing. It's impossible to know what each
server is going to turn out like. I know on are server E'ci jewelry is
actual;ly extremly cheap compared to other servers. Each server has a
diffrent market and so forth. You have to remember also that bards are not
meat grinders they are not great at dishing damage in melee. Best I can tell
you is to camp for the PGT for now can't quite remember all the weapons.
Although if you want you can also get a Black Enammeld Mace pretty cheap.

Naeeldar

-----Original Message-----
From: Kimes, Dean W. <Dean_Kimes@...>
To: 'eqbards@onelist.com' <eqbards@onelist.com>
Date: Monday, November 29, 1999 2:57 PM
Subject: RE: [eqbards] Great post on item balancing (Long)


>From: "Kimes, Dean W." <Dean_Kimes@...>
>
>Brian's post is interesting, but I'm not sure it is all that accurate.
>Perhaps this is accurately what Verant wants to be true, but it is not what
>is true. Monks out damage warriors only until the warrior gains some good
>weapons around 15th level or so. After that the warrior often out damages
>the monk, but the monk takes less damage. The reason for this? The monk
>having no offensive items to spend money on is free to spend all his funds
>to acquire better defensive items. The two do seem to balance out with the
>warrior doing more damage but the monk taking less. Despite not being able
>to wear heavy armor our group monk who is 2 levels lower than me has nearly
>the same ac I do, and I have only one piece of armor with an AC below
banded
>and several at plate or higher. He takes way less damage than I do and
>until he is 35th level will probably never die again except in very rare
>circumstances.
>
>My biggest laugh was at Brian's mention of Bard only items. That's a good
>one. Excepting the quest armor, there are what, two bard only items that
>you can get without taking on a dragon or going to the planes? A Shawl of
>the Wind Spirit and Mistmoore Battle Drums, that's it as far as I know. A
>piece of armor equal to cloth and a drum on a 35+ mob. To even mention
bard
>only items was in my opinion a slap in the face. Considering one is
useless
>after 3rd level and the other sells for 500pp+ that's a joke. What other
>class has so little equipment dedicated to it? There must be one but I
>don't know what it would be. Are there even any other items on mobs below
>30th that are bard plus a few others? Shimmering Orb, great for looks but
>with dual wield is it useful? Anyone know of anything else?
>
>My next point regards weapons. If they are trying to balance the items,
why
>is it I am still using the same weapons at 21st level I used at 12th level?
>There really isn't anything much better than my dragoon dirk and screaming
>mace available for bards at my level. The only 1HS weapons available are a
>Polished Granite Tomahawk and a Barbed Leather Whip. They don't even begin
>to compare to our Shadowknight's Dark Reaver. The primary weapons carried
>by every member of our group is better than either the PGT or the BLW.
Why?
>That's a good question. Since we don't have anybody near my level who is a
>melee class (or hybrid other than the SK) its really puzzling. Our mages
>carry Glowing Wooden Crooks or better, at 150pp not hard to see why. The
>shadowknight has a dark Reaver and I'm using the same primary as the 7th
>level ranger, a dragoon dirk. At 25pp who would blame him? A good 1HS
>weapon on the other hand cost 400pp+.
>Why does this inequity exist? Because in truth their are far more good
>piercing weapons per piercing user than 1HS per 1HS user. All the good 1HS
>weapons at the mid-levels are either warrior or paladin or ranger only. I
>could currently get thru quests at least 6 weapons I cannot use. The
quests
>are easily doable for a group of my level or close (21st). I can get no
>decent weapons via quest that I can use except the Screaming Mace that I
did
>9 levels ago.
>
>Believe me if anyone can refute this and offer me a solution to where I
>might find a better weapon obtainable I'd be glad to hear it. I get really
>tired of having my own guild members laugh, "you still using that little
>sticker?" I suppose I could buy a PGT, but at the 250pp they go for on
E'ci
>it hardly seems justifiable. Any suggestions out there? I currently own 4
>magical piercing weapons (don't ask), and 2 magical 1HB, but only a combine
>Scimitar for 1HS.
>
> Kitasi Ireallyshouldthinkupalastname of E'ci
> "materialistically inclined? not usually, but all those guild posts,
>sheesh!"
>
>From: Ryan Honeyman <honeyman@...>
>
>> CONCLUSION
>>
>> Hopefully this gives you some insight into how tricky designing some
items
>
>> can be. It's both an art and a science -- you have to have an intuitive
>feel
>> for the interactions between everything (race, procs, stat bonuses,
>classes,
>> skill caps, etc.) and then you have to back up your gut instincts by
>running
>> simulations so that the numbers do, in fact, add up to what you expect.
>Then
>> you have to see how it all fits into the world with regards to real world
>> usefulness (is that proc really relevant? Do these races really use this?
>Is
>> there another weapon that's similar and easier to get?) and hope you made
>> the right decision.
>
>
> This guy is like a god. When I read his stuff, I get more
> insight, more information, and more chuckles than anything
> else Verant releases. I especially enjoyed reading his story
> about the GM event he ran a long time ago. I wish there were
> more of him running around at Verant. The game would
> probably be a lot more interesting.
>
> Harmonic.
>
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