"Daniel P. Sniderman" wrote:
> From: "Daniel P. Sniderman" <fuzzbone@...>
>
> I agree with Weiland 100 percent. I was pretty taken aback by Randy Keith's
> note (he don't post his Character name). Nothing in my or Weiland's note
> deserved the dressing-down in Keith's note. People forget that there are
> real people that sit behind these screens.
>
You need my characters name?
Why? To attack me in the game for my observations here?
Then here it is for you.
Kalekona. Lvl 49 Necromancer. Bertoxxulous server.
Isen Lvl 21 Bard. Bertoxxulous server.
>
> I never said I had any problems with "taking responsibility to get my corpse
> back" I never came CLOSE to implying the "GM's are worthless". I never
> complained about GM's not "running to help me". The tone of the note was
> completely uncalled for - and this seems to be happening more and more on
> this list.
Another gig Thursday - late one - so I can't get on after. I had a =
date Friday - and a gig Saturday (great week huh - four gigs and a =
date!) but I got home again around 1:00 AM last night. I petition for =
help - and all the guide says is - "Get a Wizard or Druid with group =
gate to get out". Wonderful. My Druid buddy had just logged - and =
someone in my guild mentions he's not going to be back until Wednesday =
(which turned out to untrue - but whatever).. I start to panic because =
my corpse will disappear on Tuesday (they only last a week right?) I =
start telling a paladin friend - who mentions he has a Druid character.
This is the passage from you that made me think you expected a GM/Guide to come to your rescue. Maybe it
is the odd way of run-on sentances, seperated by hyphens, but that is what it looks like to me.
And from Mr. Hobson. (Since we are on a first name basis).
From: "Michal Hobson" <
given@...>
Jeez that sounds familiar. Same thing happened to a ranger and a warrior
from my guild. Same spot and all. And in our situation, the GM's still
said tough sh*t. We finally managed to do the CR after a 6 hour stint with
the help of a level 30 something Shaman and Druid. It was a nightmare.
Glad it worked out for you.
This is the same thing I saw in your passage. GM's said tough sh*t. Looks like he disagrees with the whole
GM/Guide can't assist you thing either.
>
> Most importantly - while not bard related - I think I posted information
> that is useful to other bards. Especially the part about how I was able to
> zone into Sol B to get out of that tricky spot. What are Guides supposed to
> do but Guide? They can't fix bugs. There is more use for them than simply
> helping people who are victims of bugs. I would hope there is more customer
> service in this product that I am paying for. The guides didn't even know
> that you could get into that area and not get out the way you came. (The
> first guide at least. I /petitioned simply to ask what to do - I never knew
> anyone who died that way and wanted to simply know how to get it out. He
> said - get someone with levitate and drag your corpse out...)
Hey look. There is the whole meaning of my post. Look at it again. Was it a flame?
Not once did I say anything derogetory. I said "Why is it that people seem to have it in thier head that
GM's and Guides must help you if you cannot get
your corpse?"
My post was nothing past a post telling people that they must take responsibility of thier own actions.
Not to expect help from a GM/Guide.
>
> I NEVER asked a Guide (never got a true GM) to do anything but give me
> advice. Well eventually they said "Find someone with group gate". Well I'm
> level 29 in a dungeon designed for my level. Group Gate comes at that same
> level I do believe. Randy Keith is high enough level to go after a dragon -
> so I'm guessing he's mid 40's or higher. At that level you take it for
> granted that you know a lot of people who can group gate. I know two.
> Exactly two - no more. Trying to schedule to be online at the same time as
> then can be very difficult. It was looking very possible that I WOULDN'T
> have been able to schedule that in the week before my corpse decayed. I
> would have lost all my equipment I accumulated in 29 levels. Asking a
> stranger to risk dying themselves on a such a corpse retrieval just "isn't
> gonna happen". I feel sorry for the people that DON'T know anyone who can
> do that.
You forget that even if I am high enough to fight Dragon's now. I once had to go through the low levels
myself. Same as you. I have died going linkdead in Sol B just as often as you have. I have been careless,
and fell off the ledge. It happens.
>
> People have been (IMHO rightfully) complaining that there seems to be
> inconsistencies in the way bards are being treated in the game. "We have to
> fix exploits with levitate - so lets make the spell not renewable while
> running" OOPS - we forget to think about what that means for the bard song.
> Oh you can't target your corpse in lava? Let me fetch it for you. - but if
> you can - you are on your note.
Let me tell you something about inconsistancies. They added an "Anti-Kiting" patch a while ago that
affected my main class more than it did the ones they were targeting. It happens to all the classes, some
more than others, but this has nothing to do with my post.
>
> In closing - the nature of a forum based on written communication can be
> difficult - because it's very easy to be lazy and read the first few
> paragraphs and not bother to try get the tone of the writer. It's easy to
> decide the guy is full of sh*t and show the world how much more intelligent
> than they you are with a quick flame. You can point out how much harder you
> had it when you had your body under a dragon and the wimpy 29th-level only
> had lava to contend with. He had no business even posting it to the
> EQ-BARDS list! He needs to be put in his place!
I see a flame here. Sorry, but it is plain as day.
I was not lazy. I read it all. Down to the date you had. I still saw the "Gm's told me there was nothing
they could do. Wonderful".
I never once said I was smarter than you. Never once said you had to be put in your place. What I did was
state that GM/Guides are not there to help you if you are in trouble of your own making.
As for a wimpy 29th? No such thing. We were all at that level too. We have been there, and had the same
frustrations. I would not look down on anyone cause they are a lower level than me.
>
> I'm sick of seeing people write flames. I often see things I strongly
> disagree with - but usually just let it go (however this time I can't let it
> pass).
I did not flame. My post was not angry. It was not even specifically sent after you. Why should I let this
go past me? Add fuel to the "GM's suck" attitude that is prevelant throughout the servers?
>
> Slyde of Xegony
> chal Hobson <given@...>
> To: <eqbards@onelist.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 1999 7:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [eqbards] Bard Handicap of Sorts
>
> > From: "Michal Hobson" <given@...>
> >
> <snip>
> flaws. What I have grown incredibly tired of however is the recurring
> > flames on this list. Perhaps before you post your retort, you should
> > attempt to read between the lines on a post. Instead of downing every
> post
> > that you disagree with, take a position, state it and move on.
> >
> > We're all glad to have the info that comes through this list from the
> likes
> > of John, Shada, Harmonic and many others. I look forward to reading this
> > list. If people who don't have the experience that you do post something
> > that is inaccurate, correct it, don't laugh at it in public.
> >
>
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