What is your charisma and dex with all your buffs? Mine are both 125. I
find that I get about 60% resist rates against Griffons and Hill Giants at
level 30 until the first charm. At level 27, I got about 25% resist rate
from Choon and Froon in WK. After the first, it seems to be very easy to
get it to stick again. Once I am successful at charming (the message pops
up), I immediately switch to Selo and watch the show. When they stop
swinging, I hit charm and run backwards until it takes. I've never had an
occasion where a Hill Giant broke out early and surprised me. In fact, in
my experience it has been just the opposite. I have occasionally gotten a
whack because I was looking away or reading this list while waiting for the
charm to break.
Perhaps it is your technique? I've found that after I have successfully
issued the first /pet attack command, I don't have to issue it again on each
subsequent charm unless I want the MOB to switch targets. Have you tried
this? So in other words, I charm with the following technique:
1) Charm a big baddy like a Griffon or HG.
2) Start running towards it (so that it is in hearing range) and target
another MOB. (My first character was a mage, so I had A LOT of experience
with the pet keys and how close you have to be to the MOB to get it to
listen to you)
3) hit the /pet attack Hot Key, making sure I am right next to the charmed
MOB
4) immediately hit F1 twice to get my pet targeted
5) Bring up Selo and wait to re-charm
6) Hopefully don't fall asleep at the keyboard before they both start
charging me again.
I rarely ever change MOBs when charming. If I do change MOBs, it is near
the end of the battle when I happen to have the obvious loser. The more you
charm a MOB, the more it seems to want to agro on you so it is best to work
with one MOB only for as long as possible before switching to the soon to be
winner.
Although I like charm, and I like being able to kill hill giants this way,
it really really sux in a party and is pretty darn boring after the first 2
or 3. I much prefer holding the bar room in Sol A, or going after the
Efreeti with a party of 6 to watching a couple of giants beat on each other.
Solo'ing in my opinion just isn't very much fun and it is just clearly
boring compared to the non-stop action of a good dungeon. Last weekend, we
did a Guild invasion of Sol A. We held a good portion of the dungeon with
two well balanced parties of 6. A bard and snarer (ranger or druid), a
greater healer (shaman or cleric) and good tanks in each party, excessive
use of lullaby, hymn, anthem. Now that was TRULY what this game is supposed
to be about!
Last weekend, while level 30, I was using a Hill Giant to kill Grifeenes for
me in NK. After about 10, the HG was low enough on hitpoints that me and my
druid buddy could finish it off pretty easily. Finally got my second bracer
:-).
Taneran Dreamweaver
<Clan Jax>
Bard of the 31th song
Prexus
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Schuldes [mailto:jgs@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 8:49 AM
> To: 'eqbards@onelist.com'
> Subject: RE: [eqbards] RE: Simply Charming...
>
>
> From: James Schuldes <jgs@...>
>
> Well, I am getting better with charm ;p
>
> If I am really serious, I will swap in all my cha stuff (crude
> stein, drosco
> amulet, silk evening tunic), remember to dequip my StoW, beg a SoW or have
> someone sing Selos. I have not actually used all my extra cha
> stuff since I
> got my guise and that might really help. I could try for a cha
> buff from an
> enchanter but if there is an enchanter - wtf am I doing the charming for?
>
> But what seems to be the stumbling block for me is the weaving. I have a
> charm pallette set with charm and selos hot keyed and am getting better at
> using it. Even so, when charm sticks, it seems that I just barely have
> enough time to cast charm, cast selos and then need to immediately re-cast
> charm (cuz it broke and they are both charging at me now.) The
> duration of
> my charm seems very very short. I can barely charm, target mob, hit /pet
> attack hot key, f1-f1 retarget pet before it breaks and I am
> scrambling for
> a re-cast of charm. But like I say - I am getting better! And I really
> should try all my cha stuff now - not just the stein.
>
> Also, I have found that fear + chain is really good for soloing but it
> really helps to run them in the right order. I have been doing Avo's and
> Centaurs in South Karana lately. I track a target and get close.
> Then fear
> them and auto-attack. Now chain then fear again. If I do this a
> few times,
> it gives me sufficient 'lead' on the mob in hp loss. Once I get
> a bub or so
> ahead of him, I will wince him with Denons. But once I go to 3 song
> rotation, I expect to take some hits. Prolly should be doing:
> fear, chain,
> fear, denon, fear, chain, fear, denon.
>
> But I never learned to kite things. I don't have the patience for those
> long drawn out solo fights. I much prefer to be in a party with
> good tanks
> - I don't mind melee myself if we have good casters. So, I have
> not put the
> time in to learn how to do solo stuff. I'd try a couple and spent too much
> time either dieing or zoning and then give up and go get in a group
> somewhere or grab a partner.
>
> Sylly
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Rochelle [mailto:Jasroc@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 6:42 AM
> To: eqbards@onelist.com
> Subject: [eqbards] RE: Simply Charming...
>
> From: Jason Rochelle <Jasroc@...>
>
> Sylly, no offense, you seem to have trouble charming? (just
> from your
> post here) One misconception I think many Bards have is that
> you sing
> charm, it works and you sit back and watch the show. This is
> not true.
> I'd say charm fails at LEAST 50%, maybe 75% some times. The
> trick is to
> weave charm and selo's(with drum) so you can run backwards
> from the
> targets and re-sing charm as many times as needed. During a
> particularly
> bad run yesterday I had to sing charm NINE times before I
> charmed my HG.
>
> Uldar Ulfangson
> 35th Bard, Rodcet Nife
>
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