Hi All. I don't usually comment on this list. I just sit back and soak up
the combined wisdoms of the higher level bards. But one part of GZ's
answers bugged me...
>>>Kelin's Lucid Lullaby, I recently tested this song out vs. a level one
>>>human warrior. My Bard was level 37 at the time, using the Lute of the
> >>>Gypsy Princess and I have charisma of 141. Every round I got the 'so
and
> >>>so head nods' message and every nearly every round the test subject was
> >>>able to attack me (about 1 in 10 rounds he would not).
>
> ***GZ SAYS***
> As most high level enchanters from Beta+ can tell you, there are two
saving
> throws that happen with an "Enthrall" style effect (such as Kelin's Lucid
> Lullaby) hits a creature. The first saving throw is against the target's
> Magic Resistance. The second saving throw only happens with high level
> monsters - they get a secondary save based on their level. The reason for
> this is that the Enthrall effect is very, very powerful - it allows a
single
> player to remove a creature from combat. This means that a party that
could
> handle two "X" level mobs might be able to take three, or even four of
them
> on if there is somebody around with the Enthrall effect.
>
> Because of this (read game balance) higher level monsters have a harder
time
> being enthralled. At lower levels, a single player can take out a single
> opponent of equal level. By mid levels this is much harder, and by high
> levels it is virtually impossible. Allowing a single player to remove one
or
> more creatures from combat at high levels is sick level powerful - to the
> point that we designed an entire classes specialty around doing it.
>
> The second saving throw does not send a message the environment - and that
> is something that is on our list of issues to address. There are, however,
> no bugs with the Song.
Is it just me or does his answer have absolutely ZERO to do with the
question as it was asked? This is a High level bard against a level 1
warrior. Now it seems to me, if what GZ said is true, then this warrior
should have not resisted 9 times out of 10. He can't have a high Magic
resistance, nor is he a High level opponent to have a second saving throw.
GZ seems to gloss right over the real world example given. Is this another
example of Verant ignoring the players as they did for shaman's alchemy.
How long did they assure shamans that alchemy worked before they actually
found that there was a problem, which the players were saying all along.
As for the other questions/answers, I can't really comment on them being
only level 17.
Thanks to all you higher level Bards who have done all the research to make
the lives of us lower level bards that much easier.
Llyrean
Bard of the 17 stanza
E'ci