I did some experimentation with invisibility last night at the big monolith
on the shore in North Karana. It seems that with the song, I am also
invisible to undead ( zombies and skellies). Of course if you have an
unlucky moment and become visible, then they all attack.
I remember reading that invisibility did not work for undead. Was this only
for the mana user's version, or do higher lvl undead's see right through it?
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Topics in today's digest:
1. Re: Something fun to try
From:
David.Lynam@...
2. Re: Digest Number 89
From: "Wayne Sheppard" <
mrwayne@...>
3. Denons Discord and More
From: "John Robertson" <
johnr@...>
4. Re: Denons Discord and More
From: "Garramone, Michael (CCI-Las Vegas)"
<
Michael.Garramone@...>
5. Re: Interesting Benefit of Charismatic Carralion
From: "Jones, Brian" <
brian.jones@...>
6. Re: Running tips was: Using the Lament song + a minor r ant
From: James Schuldes <
jgs@...>
7. Re: Squad Ring
From: James Schuldes <
jgs@...>
8. Weaknesses to invisibility song
From: John Kim <
kim@...>
9. Re: Interesting Benefit of Charismatic Carralion
From: James Schuldes <
jgs@...>
10. Re: Weaknesses to invisibility song
From: Rokenn of Karana <
rokenn@...>
11. Re: Weaknesses to invisibility song
From: "Garramone, Michael (CCI-Las Vegas)"
<
Michael.Garramone@...>
12. battle drum?
From: Danny Byers <
mrbags@...>
13. Re: Weaknesses to invisibility song
From: Mike Roach <
mroach@...>
14. Re: Weaknesses to invisibility song
From: "A.Rubman" <
Naturdoc@...>
15. Re: Weaknesses to invisibility song
From: "Garramone, Michael (CCI-Las Vegas)"
<
Michael.Garramone@...>
16. Galtin's misadventure + some questions about corpses in the
ocean
From: "Reece, Tom CPT - 30th Signal Bn"
<
ReeceT@...>
17. Re: Galtin's misadventure + some questions about corpses in
the ocean
From: Jason Rochelle <
jasroc@...>
18. Re: Galtin's misadventure + some questions about corpses in
the ocean
From: "John Robertson" <
johnr@...>
19. Re: Galtin's misadventure + some questions about corpses in
the ocean
From: Talies the Wanderer <
snicker@...>
20. Re: Galtin's misadventure + some questions about corpses in
the ocean
From: "Steven S. Klug" <
sklug@...>
21. Re: Galtin's misadventure + some questions about corpses in
the ocean
From: Brandon Kassebaum <
kassebaum@...>
22. Re: Galtin's misadventure + some questions about corpse s
in the ocean
From: "Reece, Tom CPT - 30th Signal Bn"
<
ReeceT@...>
23. Re: Galtin's misadventure + some questions about corpses in
the ocean
From: "Donny Dane" <
ddane@...>
24. Re: Galtin's misadventure + some questions about corpse s
in the ocean
From: Talies the Wanderer <
snicker@...>
25. Re: Galtin's misadventure + some questions about corpse s
in the ocean
From: Doug Donaldson <
doug@...>
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 14:07:52 +0100
From:
David.Lynam@...
Subject: Re: Something fun to try
yeah there was some dude named odog on the PvP server who camped
peoples
bodies invis after he killed them, waited for them to loot their
stuff, and
killed them again. He was banned after a week or so's petitioning
by all
his victims.
Ka`Lend, 27th Wood Elven Bard on Rallos Zek
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From: Proteus [mailto:
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Sent: Thursday, June 03, 1999 1:45 PM
To:
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Subject: Re: [eqbards] Something fun to try
From: Proteus <
pr0teus@...>
I'm not encouraging anyone to train SGs or other high lvl mobs on
ppl
(even if they are jerks), but Verant will not ban you. They may
claim
to, just to scare ppl, but when it comes down to it, money talks -
bullshit walks.
Any of you on Tarew Marr may be familiar with a player named
Neuromancer. Well, he's very famous for training SGs and such on
ppl,
just for the sake of being an asshole. Several members of my guild
have
encountered him and after he tried training stuff on them, they all
petitioned. He seems to train stuff on everyone he meets. He
attempted
it once on me while I was hunting orcs in Oasis. I petitioned him as
well. By this time he must have a good 3 dozen petitions on his
name. He
did receive a so-called warning once, but thats where it ends.
I've lost faith in Verant's ability to keep the game clean and fun
for
ALL players. They seem to care more about the $10 a month than the
individuals that actually play the game.
Friends who have lost all their posessions due to corpse bugs come
to
mind. The GMs basically tell you "sucks to be you" and ignore you.
Does anyone know of anyone who has actually been banned?
I know a few ppl on Tarew Marr were banned for exploiting "safe
areas"
in beta, but thats it.
In my opinion, deliberately ruining other ppls fun is much worse
than
exploiting power-leveling tactics. But oh well, what can ya do?
*end of rant*
Maev Lorekeeper
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 09:40:58 -0400
From: "Wayne Sheppard" <
mrwayne@...>
Subject: Re: Digest Number 89
Why not use the South wall all the way through East and West
Commons? There
are no dropoffs to worry about, plus you can stay high on the wall
the
entire trip. It is a much safer trip.
Luti
> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 09:38:55 -0400 (EDT)
> From: John Kim <kim@...>
>Subject: Re: Rivervale
>
>On Sat, 5 Jun 1999, Daniel P. Sniderman wrote:
>>
>> I would recommend sticking to the walls. It is unlikely anything
will
>> attack you in these zones at the walls. Go to the mountain - and
go up
as
>> high as you can. When you get to East Commons go to the right
until you
hit
>> the mountain. Run along the top of the mountain. Zone to W
Commons.
I've
>
>If you stick to the wall, be careful in East Commonlands.
>When you see a path leading to the wall, that's the entrance
>to Nektulos. Slow down. A fall from that height with
>Accelerando can be fatal.
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 10:13:23 -0400
From: "John Robertson" <
johnr@...>
Subject: Denons Discord and More
Last night I duelled a friend and did some research on this.
Background:
Jyzan - level 24 bard
Str 104
Dex 107
Cha 76 (I'm wearing a grotesque mask)
Singing: 125
Brass: 76
String: 125
When singing Denon's Disruptive Discord, it was doing 9 damage per
tick. Chords
of Dissonance was doing 7. Denon's also decreased the target's AC
by 9, which
is very good.
When playing their respective instruments, Denon's was going 19
damage per tick,
while Chords was doing something like 15. Denon's was also
decreasing AC by 19,
which is a LOT. This is MORE than taking off a steel breastplate
and going
barechested.
Keep in mind that these songs are "damage over time" songs, so that
once you
make them "wince" once, it will damage them 2 more times, so if I
were to juggle
these two songs and Brusco's Boastful Bellow, here are the effects I
would have:
Tick 1: Denon's makes them wince for 9, and reduces their AC by 9
Tick 2: Chords for 7, Denon for 9, AC still reduced
Tick 3: Bellow for 13, Chords for 7, Denon for 9, AC still reduced.
The net result of all this: 54 damage, AC reduced by 9.
Compare this to most people's tactics, which is Bellowing all three
rounds, for
a net damage of 39 and no AC reduction. Over a long fight, this is
a
significant difference.
One other thing that we tested... Largo's Melodic Binding, in
addition to
reducing attack speeds, lowered AC by 6.
Jyzan
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:47:38 -0400
From: "Garramone, Michael (CCI-Las Vegas)"
<
Michael.Garramone@...>
Subject: Re: Denons Discord and More
only benefit of bellow over denon's and chords is that it is a
single target
song instead of area effect, which in many cases outweighs the extra
damage.
area effects are very dangerous in dungeons.
Shada Silverleaf, Level 41 Bard, Mithaniel Marr
-----Original Message-----
From: John Robertson [mailto:
johnr@...]
Sent: Monday, June 07, 1999 7:13 AM
To:
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Subject: [eqbards] Denons Discord and More
From: "John Robertson" <
johnr@...>
Last night I duelled a friend and did some research on this.
Background:
Jyzan - level 24 bard
Str 104
Dex 107
Cha 76 (I'm wearing a grotesque mask)
Singing: 125
Brass: 76
String: 125
When singing Denon's Disruptive Discord, it was doing 9 damage per
tick.
Chords
of Dissonance was doing 7. Denon's also decreased the target's AC
by 9,
which
is very good.
When playing their respective instruments, Denon's was going 19
damage per
tick,
while Chords was doing something like 15. Denon's was also
decreasing AC by
19,
which is a LOT. This is MORE than taking off a steel breastplate
and going
barechested.
Keep in mind that these songs are "damage over time" songs, so that
once you
make them "wince" once, it will damage them 2 more times, so if I
were to
juggle
these two songs and Brusco's Boastful Bellow, here are the effects I
would
have:
Tick 1: Denon's makes them wince for 9, and reduces their AC by 9
Tick 2: Chords for 7, Denon for 9, AC still reduced
Tick 3: Bellow for 13, Chords for 7, Denon for 9, AC still reduced.
The net result of all this: 54 damage, AC reduced by 9.
Compare this to most people's tactics, which is Bellowing all three
rounds,
for
a net damage of 39 and no AC reduction. Over a long fight, this is
a
significant difference.
One other thing that we tested... Largo's Melodic Binding, in
addition to
reducing attack speeds, lowered AC by 6.
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 09:57:17 -0500
From: "Jones, Brian" <
brian.jones@...>
Subject: Re: Interesting Benefit of Charismatic Carralion
If a usually evil race looks indifferent at you, I would suggest not
attacking it. I learned the hard way about Grunrich, and ran to
the guards with him chasing me. The guards killed me instead :)
> ----------
> From: Greg Limes[SMTP:glimes@...]
> Reply To: eqbards@onelist.com
> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 1999 12:53 AM
> To: eqbards@onelist.com
> Subject: Re: [eqbards] Interesting Benefit of Charismatic
Carralion
>
> From: Greg Limes <glimes@...>
>
>
>
> John Kim wrote:
>
> > We discussed this on the monk list. Apparently the way it
> > works is that each necklace/belt you turn in raises your
> > faction, each time you kill Mooto raises your faction, each
> > time you kill Gunrich lowers your faction. Once you get
> > enough faction, you get the ring.
>
> Killing Gunrich lowers your faction? ARGH!
>
> 1) I've been given no hint in the game that Gunrich is anything
> but just another named NPC, like Mooto only easier.
>
> 2) When I kill Gunrich, I get *no* faction adjust messages.
>
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:29:10 -0500
From: James Schuldes <
jgs@...>
Subject: Re: Running tips was: Using the Lament song + a minor r ant
My bard is level 7 so I have to run a lot! I will RUN first and
auto-run
then get Selo's going then dink with getting the drum. Then I will
turn
around and run backwards to avoid giving them the back-stab bonus.
Sylly on Innoruuk
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From: Rodney Morris
[mailto:
rodmorris@...]
Sent: Friday, June 04, 1999 12:13 AM
To:
eqbards@onelist.com
Subject: Re: [eqbards] Using the Lament song
+ a
minor rant
From: Rodney Morris <
rodmorris@...>
John Kim wrote:
> Saving the party from an ubermob. If a sand giant
starts
to
> attack your L10 party, equip your drum, fire up
Accelerando,
> punch the SG, and take off away from your party.
It's
risky,
Are you serious about this? You can't be.
[snips]
I have seen an SG coming, equipped my drum and fired
up
accelerando,
turned and run, and STILL been squished!
Mully
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:50:54 -0500
From: James Schuldes <
jgs@...>
Subject: Re: Squad Ring
Uhhhh, I got teeth from Piranah. I killed some up in Freeport.
Usually get
"fresh piranah" sometimes scales and I got teeth but sold them.
Should have
tried to equip them as a melee wep but sold em.
Sylly
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From: John Kim [mailto:
kim@...]
Sent: Friday, June 04, 1999 11:44 PM
To:
eqbards@onelist.com
Subject: [eqbards] Squad Ring
From: John Kim <
kim@...>
This seems to be one of the more popular low-level
quest
items, so here's what I know about it thus far.
When I visited her and asked her
for healing again, this time she gave me a quest to
get
piranha teeth (don't bother - it's broken since
piranha
don't
give teeth as loot right now).
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:55:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Kim <
kim@...>
Subject: Weaknesses to invisibility song
Couple things I've learned about the invisibility song.
1) The effect does not "linger" if your party members move out
of range like other bard songs do. When they move out of
range, they immediately blink into sight. This seriously
decreases its usefulness for group movement and corpse
recovery.
2) If one of your party members blinks into sight and is
attacked, then moves back into the song's influence, the next
song tick the mobs will start attacking you even though you
are still invisible. Your song helped someone being attacked,
so they will now attack you, invisibile or not.
3) My friends were telling me that the song was canceling
their invisibility to undead.
In short, the song is probably only useful in solo play, and
if your group is not moving. Disappointing to say the least.
Anyone know if it's intended to be this way? Perhaps we could
petition to get (1) fixed. The effect does "linger" with you
for two ticks if you stop singing.
--
John H. Kim
kim@...
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:53:56 -0500
From: James Schuldes <
jgs@...>
Subject: Re: Interesting Benefit of Charismatic Carralion
Someone said that he is a spy and works for the halflings. That's
what I
heard the one and only time I saw him - but I was only passing thru.
Sylly
-----Original Message-----
From: John Kim [mailto:
kim@...]
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 1999 5:20 AM
To:
eqbards@onelist.com
Subject: Re: [eqbards] Interesting Benefit of
Charismatic Carralion
From: John Kim <
kim@...>
On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, Greg Limes wrote:
> John Kim wrote:
>
> > We discussed this on the monk list. Apparently
the way
it
> > works is that each necklace/belt you turn in
raises your
> > faction, each time you kill Mooto raises your
faction,
each
> > time you kill Gunrich lowers your faction. Once
you get
> > enough faction, you get the ring.
>
> Killing Gunrich lowers your faction? ARGH!
>
> 1) I've been given no hint in the game that
Gunrich is
anything
> but just another named NPC, like Mooto only
easier.
>
> 2) When I kill Gunrich, I get *no* faction adjust
messages.
That is just what I've heard. If you've actually
killed him
and gotten no message, then I'm inclined to believe
there is
no faction loss for killing him.
--
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 09:24:55 PDT
From: Rokenn of Karana <rokenn@...>
Subject: Re: Weaknesses to invisibility song
Unless it has been changed in the last two weeks the effect DOES
linger for
the 15 secs after they leave the radius. I used it to help a solo
player
get out of Upper Guk with out causing a train :) Good trade since
he cast
Regenerate on me for the aid. The most annoying thing with this
song to me
is the fact it will randomly stop working for a tick, no missed
note, no
invis canceling action on my part. This can be deadly when using
the song
to scout a hostile area, I started a fairly good sized train once in
Guk
because of this.
Rokenn Swiftsong
Master Brewer of Societus Argenti
Karana Server
>From: John Kim <kim@...>
>Reply-To: eqbards@onelist.com
>To: eqbards@onelist.com
>Subject: [eqbards] Weaknesses to invisibility song
>Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:55:44 -0400 (EDT)
>
>From: John Kim <kim@...>
>
>Couple things I've learned about the invisibility song.
>
>1) The effect does not "linger" if your party members move out
>of range like other bard songs do. When they move out of
>range, they immediately blink into sight. This seriously
>decreases its usefulness for group movement and corpse
>recovery.
>
>2) If one of your party members blinks into sight and is
>attacked, then moves back into the song's influence, the next
>song tick the mobs will start attacking you even though you
>are still invisible. Your song helped someone being attacked,
>so they will now attack you, invisibile or not.
>
>3) My friends were telling me that the song was canceling
>their invisibility to undead.
>
>In short, the song is probably only useful in solo play, and
>if your group is not moving. Disappointing to say the least.
>Anyone know if it's intended to be this way? Perhaps we could
>petition to get (1) fixed. The effect does "linger" with you
>for two ticks if you stop singing.
>
>--
>John H. Kim
>kim@...
>
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:33:19 -0400
From: "Garramone, Michael (CCI-Las Vegas)"
<Michael.Garramone@...>
Subject: Re: Weaknesses to invisibility song
when they implement the /follow command invis will be a LOT more
useful
song.
Shada Silverleaf, Level 41 Bard, Mithaniel Marr
-----Original Message-----
From: Rokenn of Karana [mailto:rokenn@...]
Sent: Monday, June 07, 1999 9:25 AM
To: eqbards@onelist.com
Subject: Re: [eqbards] Weaknesses to invisibility song
From: Rokenn of Karana <rokenn@...>
Unless it has been changed in the last two weeks the effect DOES
linger for
the 15 secs after they leave the radius. I used it to help a solo
player
get out of Upper Guk with out causing a train :) Good trade since
he cast
Regenerate on me for the aid. The most annoying thing with this
song to me
is the fact it will randomly stop working for a tick, no missed
note, no
invis canceling action on my part. This can be deadly when using
the song
to scout a hostile area, I started a fairly good sized train once in
Guk
because of this.
Rokenn Swiftsong
Master Brewer of Societus Argenti
Karana Server
>From: John Kim <kim@...>
>Reply-To: eqbards@onelist.com
>To: eqbards@onelist.com
>Subject: [eqbards] Weaknesses to invisibility song
>Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:55:44 -0400 (EDT)
>
>From: John Kim <kim@...>
>
>Couple things I've learned about the invisibility song.
>
>1) The effect does not "linger" if your party members move out
>of range like other bard songs do. When they move out of
>range, they immediately blink into sight. This seriously
>decreases its usefulness for group movement and corpse
>recovery.
>
>2) If one of your party members blinks into sight and is
>attacked, then moves back into the song's influence, the next
>song tick the mobs will start attacking you even though you
>are still invisible. Your song helped someone being attacked,
>so they will now attack you, invisibile or not.
>
>3) My friends were telling me that the song was canceling
>their invisibility to undead.
>
>In short, the song is probably only useful in solo play, and
>if your group is not moving. Disappointing to say the least.
>Anyone know if it's intended to be this way? Perhaps we could
>petition to get (1) fixed. The effect does "linger" with you
>for two ticks if you stop singing.
>
>--
>John H. Kim
>kim@...
>
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 10:32:00 PDT
From: Danny Byers <mrbags@...>
Subject: battle drum?
i was wondering if any of our 30+ bards on this list has gotten to
use this
item. it comes from a 30+ named gypsy musician in mistmoore. I
asked a
person that killed the musician if it was a lore item or magical or
anything, but as far as he could tell, it was neither. it has the
same wt
0.5 as a regular drum, so I am curious to know if it improves songs
any when
used with songs. Since it was off a named mob, the guy did not want
to sell
it to me just yet, because no one knew the worth. anyone know about
this?
Learic Lovejam of Xegony.
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 12:37:04 -0500
From: Mike Roach <mroach@...>
Subject: Re: Weaknesses to invisibility song
I think I missed something in the thread, what is the "/follow"
command I
have seen a few people mention?
-Faras of Qeynos
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Garramone, Michael (CCI-Las Vegas)
> [mailto:Michael.Garramone@...]
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 1999 11:33 AM
> To: 'eqbards@onelist.com'
> Subject: Re: [eqbards] Weaknesses to invisibility song
>
>
> From: "Garramone, Michael (CCI-Las Vegas)"
<Michael.Garramone@...>
>
> when they implement the /follow command invis will be a LOT
> more useful
> song.
>
> Shada Silverleaf, Level 41 Bard, Mithaniel Marr
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 13:48:38 -0400
From: "A.Rubman" <Naturdoc@...>
Subject: Re: Weaknesses to invisibility song
It doesn't exist yet, its a new feature on the Test Server.
Someone should go there and find out what it does and how it works
first, then tell all us crazy bards :)
-Luini from Innoruk-
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Roach <mroach@...>
To: <eqbards@onelist.com>
Date: Monday, June 07, 1999 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [eqbards] Weaknesses to invisibility song
>From: Mike Roach <mroach@...>
>
>I think I missed something in the thread, what is the "/follow"
command
I
>have seen a few people mention?
>
>-Faras of Qeynos
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Garramone, Michael (CCI-Las Vegas)
>> [mailto:Michael.Garramone@...]
>> Sent: Monday, June 07, 1999 11:33 AM
>> To: 'eqbards@onelist.com'
>> Subject: Re: [eqbards] Weaknesses to invisibility song
>>
>>
>> From: "Garramone, Michael (CCI-Las Vegas)"
<Michael.Garramone@...>
>>
>> when they implement the /follow command invis will be a LOT
>> more useful
>> song.
>>
>> Shada Silverleaf, Level 41 Bard, Mithaniel Marr
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 13:56:13 -0400
From: "Garramone, Michael (CCI-Las Vegas)"
<Michael.Garramone@...>
Subject: Re: Weaknesses to invisibility song
was put on test server last week, hopefully regular servers soon.
not sure
how it is used yet, but you will be able to automatically follow
another
player.
Shada Silverleaf, Level 41 Bard, Mithaniel Marr
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Roach [mailto:mroach@...]
Sent: Monday, June 07, 1999 10:37 AM
To: 'eqbards@onelist.com'
Subject: Re: [eqbards] Weaknesses to invisibility song
From: Mike Roach <mroach@...>
I think I missed something in the thread, what is the "/follow"
command I
have seen a few people mention?
-Faras of Qeynos
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Garramone, Michael (CCI-Las Vegas)
> [mailto:Michael.Garramone@...]
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 1999 11:33 AM
> To: 'eqbards@onelist.com'
> Subject: Re: [eqbards] Weaknesses to invisibility song
>
>
> From: "Garramone, Michael (CCI-Las Vegas)"
<Michael.Garramone@...>
>
> when they implement the /follow command invis will be a LOT
> more useful
> song.
>
> Shada Silverleaf, Level 41 Bard, Mithaniel Marr
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:00:22 -1000
From: "Reece, Tom CPT - 30th Signal Bn"
<ReeceT@...>
Subject: Galtin's misadventure + some questions about corpses in the
ocean
Last night while waiting for the boat on the Butcherblock dock I
volunteered
to assist another player locate his corpse. He said that he crashed
while
riding the boat and that when he logged back on he started out at
the bottom
of the ocean. He eventually ran out of stamina and died. He also
stated
that his corpse was somewhere in the ocean in the Butcherblock zone.
I
started singing the locating song and immediately got a bearing on
his
corpse. I told him to follow me and I jumped into the ocean. I
continued
swimming along the bearing until I ran into the zone barrier. I was
underwater at the time I ran into the zone barrier. His corpse was
nowhere
in sight. At this point, I apparently encountered a bug because I
could no
longer swim in any direction. It was like I was stuck to the zone
barrier.
I still had plenty of air left but all attempts at breaking away
from the
zone were unsuccessful. I tried every arrow key, the PageUp key, and
PageDown key. Nothing. I eventually drowned myself.
When I died, I got the overhead view of my corpse. The funny thing
is that
there was someone (in full armor) walking around the bottom of the
ocean
next to my corpse. The person had two names but I couldn't tell if
it was a
player or a NPC. It looked like a human and I know for certain it
wasn't a
dwarven guard. I know bards have an underwater breathing song
(unfortunately for me I'm not high enough yet to sing it) but does
the song
allow you to walk on the bottom of the ocean? Do other classes have
spells
that allow them to breathe underwater?
Now my character is back in Freeport and will have to ride the boat
back to
retrieve his corpse. Adding insult to injury, I won't have time to
retrieve
my corpse before the boat leaves Butcherblock so I will have to wait
until
it makes the round trip back from Freeport. Bummer.
Here is what I would like to know:
1) Was getting stuck in the zone barrier a bug or what was supposed
to
happen?
2) Since my corpse is right at the zone border, will I get stuck
again if I
try to retrieve it? Can I use the /corpse command underwater to
pull my
corpse away from the zone border?
3) Why did the locate song not lead me to the other player's
corpse? My
theory is that his corpse was not in the Butcherblock zone but in
the Ocean
of Tears zone. Will the locate corpse zone still point you in the
right
direction even if you are not in the same zone as the corpse you are
looking
for? If the other player's corpse was indeed in the Ocean of Tears
zone
then I guess the answer to this question is yes. If his corpse was
in the
Butcherblock zone then it makes the situation even more puzzling.
4) What is the most likely explanation for the character walking on
the
bottom of the ocean? Another player or just another bug?
5) At the time I drowned, there were no GMs online for me to
/petition.
Assuming one is online the next time I play, will they automatically
retrieve my corpse for me since it is at the bottom of the ocean? I
sure
hope so because I don't relish the idea of having to go back to
retrieve it.
Thanks ahead of time for any replies.
Galtin
Bard of the 14th Chorus
E'ci
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 15:02:58 -0500
From: Jason Rochelle <jasroc@...>
Subject: Re: Galtin's misadventure + some questions about corpses in
the ocean
> 2) Since my corpse is right at the zone border, will I get stuck
again if I
> try to retrieve it? Can I use the /corpse command underwater to
pull my
> corpse away from the zone border?
yes, /corpse works underwater
> 3) Why did the locate song not lead me to the other player's
corpse?
In my experience if you target a player with no corpse in the zone,
you
get the same message saying that you sense a corpse in this
direction,
but it does not actually turn you in any direction. Maybe you were
already pointing in that direction, and just though it was pulling
you?
They should really fix this to have the song end if there is no
corpse
in the zone.
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 16:18:48 -0400
From: "John Robertson" <johnr@...>
Subject: Re: Galtin's misadventure + some questions about corpses in
the ocean
>
Ouch, this certainly seems like a sticky situation...
>
> 1) Was getting stuck in the zone barrier a bug or what was
supposed to
> happen?
No, that's definately a bug.
>
> 2) Since my corpse is right at the zone border, will I get stuck
again if I
> try to retrieve it? Can I use the /corpse command underwater to
pull my
> corpse away from the zone border?
You should be able to, but you have to be pretty close for this to
work. You
will likely have to swim to the bottom for it to work.
>
> 3) Why did the locate song not lead me to the other player's
corpse? My
> theory is that his corpse was not in the Butcherblock zone but in
the Ocean
> of Tears zone. Will the locate corpse zone still point you in the
right
> direction even if you are not in the same zone as the corpse you
are looking
> for? If the other player's corpse was indeed in the Ocean of
Tears zone
> then I guess the answer to this question is yes. If his corpse
was in the
> Butcherblock zone then it makes the situation even more puzzling.
If the corpse was in the ocean of tears, your song would not have
located it, so
the corpse is in the BB zone, but it sounds like it wasn't in the
correct zone
space. This bug happened to a friend of mine once when he died due
to a weird
treeform bug.
>
> 4) What is the most likely explanation for the character walking
on the
> bottom of the ocean? Another player or just another bug?
That is really odd, since players do a swim animation when they are
underwater.
It could have been an NPC, or perhaps a GM, but they swim when they
are
underwater as well as far as I know.
>
> 5) At the time I drowned, there were no GMs online for me to
/petition.
> Assuming one is online the next time I play, will they
automatically
> retrieve my corpse for me since it is at the bottom of the ocean?
I sure
> hope so because I don't relish the idea of having to go back to
retrieve it.
>
GMs make no promises in this regard, but given the circumstances of
your death
(including the bug involved) if you are patient a GM will likely
help you. They
may not though.
Good luck,
Jyzan
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 15:14:23 -0500
From: Talies the Wanderer <snicker@...>
Subject: Re: Galtin's misadventure + some questions about corpses in
the ocean
At 10:00 AM 6/7/99 -1000, you wrote:
>Here is what I would like to know:
>
>1) Was getting stuck in the zone barrier a bug or what was
supposed to
>happen?
That sounds like a bug. Everyone else I've heard has told me that
it
simply stops you.
>2) Since my corpse is right at the zone border, will I get stuck
again if I
>try to retrieve it? Can I use the /corpse command underwater to
pull my
>corpse away from the zone border?
You should be able to /corpse it from anywhere. I've even heard
that now
you can /corpse out of Lava (perhaps they increased the /corpse
range).
>3) Why did the locate song not lead me to the other player's
corpse? My
>theory is that his corpse was not in the Butcherblock zone but in
the Ocean
>of Tears zone. Will the locate corpse zone still point you in the
right
>direction even if you are not in the same zone as the corpse you
are looking
>for? If the other player's corpse was indeed in the Ocean of Tears
zone
>then I guess the answer to this question is yes. If his corpse was
in the
>Butcherblock zone then it makes the situation even more puzzling.
MAJOR bug there. Unless his corpse was beneath the world - in which
case,
it DID lead you to him. Only his body was a million miles under you.
>4) What is the most likely explanation for the character walking on
the
>bottom of the ocean? Another player or just another bug?
Most likely an NPC, actually - probably one who was lost. Possibly
a Bard
with Tarew's Aquatic Ayre, but you'd have to ask around. FYI in
weird
situations, don't be afraid to hammer on the "Screenshot" key a few
times.
It's amazing what details you missed that you can locate later from
a
screenshot.
>5) At the time I drowned, there were no GMs online for me to
/petition.
>Assuming one is online the next time I play, will they
automatically
>retrieve my corpse for me since it is at the bottom of the ocean?
I sure
>hope so because I don't relish the idea of having to go back to
retrieve it.
They will certainly retrieve his - but what I would do is petition a
GM
with the initial problem, and then offer to attempt the retrieval on
your
own, if they will watch to make sure that you do not get trapped
again. It
DOES seem to be a bug, but it's not verifiable (like a corpse under
the
world is) so they will be hard pressed to prove it, and the hard
rule is
"If you cannot prove it was a bug, you cannot help them." You can
mention
to them that the reason you want them to "watch over you" is because
the
bug will likely cause you to die before you can /corpse your body.
Oh - and have you thought about using the jig o' vigor to restore
your lost
stamina? I never thought about it before...
Talies the Wanderer
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 13:24:00 -0700
From: "Steven S. Klug" <sklug@...>
Subject: Re: Galtin's misadventure + some questions about corpses in
the ocean
Just a tip. If you type "/who corpse" it will tell you if you have
any
corpses of yours in the zone.
At 03:02 PM 6/7/99 -0500, you wrote:
>From: Jason Rochelle <jasroc@...>
>
>> 2) Since my corpse is right at the zone border, will I get stuck
again
if I
>> try to retrieve it? Can I use the /corpse command underwater to
pull my
>> corpse away from the zone border?
>
>yes, /corpse works underwater
>
>> 3) Why did the locate song not lead me to the other player's
corpse?
>
>In my experience if you target a player with no corpse in the zone,
you
>get the same message saying that you sense a corpse in this
direction,
>but it does not actually turn you in any direction. Maybe you were
>already pointing in that direction, and just though it was pulling
you?
>
>They should really fix this to have the song end if there is no
corpse
>in the zone.
>
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 15:28:18 +0000
From: Brandon Kassebaum <kassebaum@...>
Subject: Re: Galtin's misadventure + some questions about corpses in
the ocean
I have had this happen to me before. Just petition next time you
are in game and a
guide will bring your corpse to you. Do not try and recover it
again because it is
impossible to do so, at least as far as I have seen. make your
petition something
like /petition I tried to help another player in OOT and ended up
stuck in a patch
of water and drowned. Mine was something of the sort and they just
told me hang on
and I appeared on an island in OOT and there was my corpse on the
dock, Hope that
helps.
Penaden Songweaver
http://www.lostorder.com
John Robertson wrote:
> From: "John Robertson" <johnr@...>
>
> >
>
> Ouch, this certainly seems like a sticky situation...
>
> >
> > 1) Was getting stuck in the zone barrier a bug or what was
supposed to
> > happen?
>
> No, that's definately a bug.
>
> >
> > 2) Since my corpse is right at the zone border, will I get
stuck again if I
> > try to retrieve it? Can I use the /corpse command underwater to
pull my
> > corpse away from the zone border?
>
> You should be able to, but you have to be pretty close for this to
work. You
> will likely have to swim to the bottom for it to work.
>
> >
> > 3) Why did the locate song not lead me to the other player's
corpse? My
> > theory is that his corpse was not in the Butcherblock zone but
in the Ocean
> > of Tears zone. Will the locate corpse zone still point you in
the right
> > direction even if you are not in the same zone as the corpse you
are looking
> > for? If the other player's corpse was indeed in the Ocean of
Tears zone
> > then I guess the answer to this question is yes. If his corpse
was in the
> > Butcherblock zone then it makes the situation even more
puzzling.
>
> If the corpse was in the ocean of tears, your song would not have
located it, so
> the corpse is in the BB zone, but it sounds like it wasn't in the
correct zone
> space. This bug happened to a friend of mine once when he died
due to a weird
> treeform bug.
>
> >
> > 4) What is the most likely explanation for the character walking
on the
> > bottom of the ocean? Another player or just another bug?
>
> That is really odd, since players do a swim animation when they
are underwater.
> It could have been an NPC, or perhaps a GM, but they swim when
they are
> underwater as well as far as I know.
>
> >
> > 5) At the time I drowned, there were no GMs online for me to
/petition.
> > Assuming one is online the next time I play, will they
automatically
> > retrieve my corpse for me since it is at the bottom of the
ocean? I sure
> > hope so because I don't relish the idea of having to go back to
retrieve it.
> >
>
> GMs make no promises in this regard, but given the circumstances
of your death
> (including the bug involved) if you are patient a GM will likely
help you. They
> may not though.
>
> Good luck,
> Jyzan
>
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:33:40 -1000
From: "Reece, Tom CPT - 30th Signal Bn"
<ReeceT@...>
Subject: Re: Galtin's misadventure + some questions about corpse s
in the ocean
> FYI in weird situations, don't be afraid to hammer on the
"Screenshot" key
> a few times.
> It's amazing what details you missed that you can locate later
from a
> screenshot.
>
How do you take a screenshot? Do you just hit the PrtScn
button or
is there another button to push?
> Oh - and have you thought about using the jig o' vigor to restore
your
> lost
> stamina? I never thought about it before...
>
Running out of stamina wasn't my problem. I was stuck
underwater
and ran out of air. I learned about singing the stamina song while
swimming
a couple of weeks ago. While on the boat in the OOT my PC locked
up. When
I logged back on I was at the bottom of the ocean. After reaching
the top,
I started the song and swam across the entire OOT until I reached
the last
dock before you reach Butcherblock. Wouldn't have been able to do
it unless
I had the stamina song. That's the only time I have ever had to use
the
stamina song since I've been playing the character. Anyway, it took
me over
45 minutes real time to get to the dock. Raised my swimming skill
by 40
points during the trip. That was the only good thing that came out
of the
whole deal.
Galtin
E'ci
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 15:33:40 -0500
From: "Donny Dane" <ddane@...>
Subject: Re: Galtin's misadventure + some questions about corpses in
the ocean
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Talies the Wanderer [mailto:snicker@...]
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 1999 3:14 PM
> To: eqbards@onelist.com
> Subject:
>
>
> From: Talies the Wanderer <snicker@...>
>
> At 10:00 AM 6/7/99 -1000, you wrote:
> >Here is what I would like to know:
> >
> >1) Was getting stuck in the zone barrier a bug or what was
supposed to
> >happen?
>
> That sounds like a bug. Everyone else I've heard has told me that
it
> simply stops you.
>
> >2) Since my corpse is right at the zone border, will I get
> stuck again if I
> >try to retrieve it? Can I use the /corpse command underwater to
pull my
> >corpse away from the zone border?
>
> You should be able to /corpse it from anywhere. I've even heard
that now
> you can /corpse out of Lava (perhaps they increased the /corpse
range).
This is probably still only on the test server, like the /follow
command,
and, what I read was that you can't /corpse from lava, but you can
/loot.
>
> >3) Why did the locate song not lead me to the other player's
corpse? My
> >theory is that his corpse was not in the Butcherblock zone but
> in the Ocean
> >of Tears zone. Will the locate corpse zone still point you in
the right
> >direction even if you are not in the same zone as the corpse you
> are looking
> >for? If the other player's corpse was indeed in the Ocean of
Tears zone
> >then I guess the answer to this question is yes. If his corpse
> was in the
> >Butcherblock zone then it makes the situation even more puzzling.
>
> MAJOR bug there. Unless his corpse was beneath the world - in
which case,
> it DID lead you to him. Only his body was a million miles under
you.
>
IF his corpse was in the OOT zone, then you should have received a
message
like:
"There is no corpse by that identification in this zone" or similar.
I've
gotten
that a few times, when a player has a) lost a corpse or b) was just
confused
about
which zone they actually died in.
> >4) What is the most likely explanation for the character walking
on the
> >bottom of the ocean? Another player or just another bug?
>
> Most likely an NPC, actually - probably one who was lost.
Possibly a Bard
> with Tarew's Aquatic Ayre, but you'd have to ask around. FYI in
weird
> situations, don't be afraid to hammer on the "Screenshot" key a
few times.
> It's amazing what details you missed that you can locate later
from a
> screenshot.
Some NPC's don't seem to have a 'swimming' animation. Once, at the
docks in
Freeport, I was swimming around, and the girl that normally stands
on the
end of
the dock was down on the ocean floor, still fishing. So this could
have
been an NPC
that wandered off the beaten path. I'm not real familiar with the
BB zone,
but I
don't remember any wandering human or elf NPC's, at least not near
the
docks. There
are some elves there at the docks though they don't seem to walk
around.
>
> >5) At the time I drowned, there were no GMs online for me to
/petition.
> >Assuming one is online the next time I play, will they
automatically
> >retrieve my corpse for me since it is at the bottom of the ocean?
I sure
> >hope so because I don't relish the idea of having to go back to
> retrieve it.
>
> They will certainly retrieve his - but what I would do is petition
a GM
> with the initial problem, and then offer to attempt the retrieval
on your
> own, if they will watch to make sure that you do not get trapped
> again. It
> DOES seem to be a bug, but it's not verifiable (like a corpse
under the
> world is) so they will be hard pressed to prove it, and the hard
rule is
> "If you cannot prove it was a bug, you cannot help them." You can
mention
> to them that the reason you want them to "watch over you" is
because the
> bug will likely cause you to die before you can /corpse your body.
>
> Oh - and have you thought about using the jig o' vigor to restore
> your lost
> stamina? I never thought about it before...
>
Heh...I crashed in the OOT zone, once. My ISP dropped out from
under me,
and
when I finally got back in, I was at the ocean floor. I swam over
hmm...half the
zone (I was halfway between the two dock islands). I kept the jig
going the
entire time, and never once did my stamina bar drop. And, my
swimming skill
went
from nearly nothing (5 or 6) to about 35 during that swim. Pretty
boring,
actually.
>
> Talies the Wanderer
>
>
Good Luck and Song,
MacGrough, Solusek Ro
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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 16:37:59 -0500
From: Talies the Wanderer <snicker@...>
Subject: Re: Galtin's misadventure + some questions about corpse s
in the ocean
At 10:33 AM 6/7/99 -1000, you wrote:
> How do you take a screenshot? Do you just hit the PrtScn
button or
>is there another button to push?
Heh - I must confess, I remapped my keys and no longer recall the
default
setting - but it should be on that quick-reference card you got with
the
game (I'm at work, and my card is at home.)
Good luck!
Talies the Wanderer
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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 15:47:35 -0700
From: Doug Donaldson <doug@...>
Subject: Re: Galtin's misadventure + some questions about corpse s
in the ocean
At 04:37 PM 06/07/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>From: Talies the Wanderer <snicker@...>
>
>At 10:33 AM 6/7/99 -1000, you wrote:
> > How do you take a screenshot? Do you just hit the PrtScn
button or
> >is there another button to push?
>
>Heh - I must confess, I remapped my keys and no longer recall the
default
>setting - but it should be on that quick-reference card you got
with the
>game (I'm at work, and my card is at home.)
Screenshot key is Numberpad "-" button by default.
Twen - Bard - The Rathe
Doug Donaldson (250)549-2911
Service Manager (250)542-4130 fax
Doctor Electronics doug@...
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