On Tue, 21 Mar 2000, Jeff Illian wrote:
>
> You get the same debuff with an AE from binding and you don't break snare,
> and you are party friendly. If you made the chains decision with a ranger
> or druid in a pick up group from my server and forget ever being invited on
> a raid or dungeon crawl again. Maybe here I'm a bit spoiled also since my
So you're basically having the bard waste an extra song slot
(still need Chain in case something goes wrong with snare)
because the ranger/druid is too lazy to wait for you to give
the "Chain off" message?
100% deferral to snare is not the optimal solution.
> I can stick my song 50% of the time). I also don't always have chains
> loaded... even for backup. A lot of times our method for dealing with
> runners when snare fails these days is a BIG blast from our nuker and a BIG
> dot from our shaman... Haven't seen anything make it far after that.
But don't you see, that very same argument works against snare
just as well as chain. If all it takes to deal with a runner
is a nuke and a DoT, then it doesn't matter if you overwrite
snare with chain.
> > While Chains does break early, it's more the exception than the norm. On
> > mobs with a decent magic resistance, they seem to break early, but those
>
> What level mobs are you fighting? In my experience it is a rule, not
> exception. Anything above level 35 or so will tend to break chains at
> random times and not last 3 ticks... ever. My charisma is about 125 and
I've found it sticks reliably (at L48-49) on the froglok king,
bok and guk knights, bats, beetles, LDCs. I've even used it
on ice giants and seafury cyclopses for the slowdown effect.
The only things that break out frequently are stuff that's
white or higher, and stuff that has magic resist buffs. One
of the low-blue named gnolls in Paw gave me problems until I
hit him three times with my pumice stone (if I'd known this
would be a problem, I would've had cancel magic memorized).
On the one hand, you claim you almost never use chain,
deferring to druid/ranger snarers and shaman/enchanter speed
debuffers. On the other hand, you speak as if with expertise
about how reliable chain is against high level mobs. Do you
see the credibility problem here?
A lot of us have used Chain every day as our only method of
runner control. It is not as unreliable as you make it out to
be. I'd prefer to have a snarer, but if I don't it's no big
deal most of the time.
> when buffed is about 160 something and my dex is usually buffed out over
> 200. Do stats play a role here? I still have chains wear off after the
> first tick if not sooner fighting low blue greater kobolds in B!
And I've had it wear off immediately from a L2 beetle. It
happens from time to time. 95% of the time in my experience,
it works fine.
> I'm starting to see that a lot of our differences have more to do with what
> and where we are fighting then how to use the song. I don't tend to need
Probably. The plethora of enchanter gnolls there tend to buff
everything with magic resist up the wazoo. The same is
somewhat true in Sol A with all the wandering wizards.
> Hmmm, I've always wondered what it would be like to fight for XP in lower
> Guk... But I personally don't see myself having that chance anytime in the
> near future. Perhaps when the expansion comes out... (well, one could
> wish!)
Try the live side. Most people avoid the maze and noble/king
area for some reason (probably so set into the camp mentality
that having to run around confusing corridors is terrifying
for them).
--
John H. Kim
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