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<b>Message ID:</b> 1663 <br/>
<b>Date:</b> Wed Jun  9 16:02:43 BST 1999 <br/>
<b>Author:</b> James Schuldes <br/>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Utility of Lullaby and Invisibility songs <br/>
<br/><br/>
<div id="ygrps-yiv-1183757287">I think we are saying the same thing here - yes the bard gets the mob&#39;s<br/>
attention but it&#39;s because of the way mob ai works - they can sense who they<br/>
should kill and they see you as both dangerous to them and as easy to kill.<br/>
Because you are in the party that attacked one of their party - you get put<br/>
on their hate list.  All of them now hate you.  You are right it is a<br/>
programming thing but I think it&#39;s the way they want it.<br/>
<br/>
Part of this is seen when a party member gets bounced by a high level npc -<br/>
like brigand or a gryf.  Once one party member gets on a hate list all party<br/>
members are added especially if you are playing a song that is buffing them<br/>
or whatever.  So everyone has to zone to clear the hate list otherwise the<br/>
mob will come hunting all of the party members.<br/>
<br/>
And I still think better tactics can mitigate your situation.  Don&#39;t pull<br/>
all of them (a cleric can lull some of them and you wont get 4 hitting on<br/>
you - only 2 :-) - I suppose your tanks don&#39;t mind because they can take all<br/>
of them no problemo but all of them will attack you if you are in their<br/>
sight.  Might be interesting to see just how far away you have to be before<br/>
they don&#39;t come to you instead of the tanks.  I know they will run around a<br/>
couple tanks if you are near but I wonder what would happen if you were<br/>
outside of the range where you can read the icons?  <br/>
<br/>
Anyone in your party have camo?  Does camo work if you are singing/playing?<br/>
<br/>
Sylly.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
		-----Original Message-----<br/>
		From:	Sam Zoucha [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:szoucha@...">szoucha@...</a>]<br/>
		Sent:	Tuesday, June 08, 1999 9:16 AM<br/>
		To:	<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:eqbards@onelist.com">eqbards@onelist.com</a><br/>
		Subject:	Re: [eqbards] Utility of Lullaby and<br/>
Invisibility songs<br/>
<br/>
		From: Sam Zoucha &lt;<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:szoucha@...">szoucha@...</a>&gt;<br/>
<br/>
		At 08:10 AM 6/9/99 -0500, you wrote:<br/>
<blockquote><span title="ireply"> 		&gt;From: James Schuldes &lt;<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="mailto:jgs@...">jgs@...</a>&gt;<br/>
		&gt;<br/>
		&gt;The bard helps all of the party.  The mobs hate anyone<br/>
 </span></blockquote>helping anyone they<br/>
<blockquote><span title="ireply"> 		&gt;are fighting.  So, you are going to be number one on their<br/>
 </span></blockquote>hit list.  Also,<br/>
<br/>
<blockquote><span title="ireply"> 		&gt;So, the tanks will be fighting one mob while you will<br/>
		&gt;be fighting all of them.<br/>
		&gt;<br/>
<br/>
 </span></blockquote>		Had to post to this 1...it is not poor tactics that cause<br/>
this..it is<br/>
		something to do with the programming..I for 1 have not been<br/>
singing a<br/>
		single thing..standing aways behind my group..they pull<br/>
something ..3 or 4<br/>
		come...the tanks are bashing on it..i am still doing<br/>
nothing(just to test<br/>
		this) and sure enough 2 of the baddies decide to go pound on<br/>
me<br/>
		instead..also this wasnt faction related as the tanks had<br/>
far worse<br/>
		factions with the baddies than i did....as far as i can tell<br/>
there is some<br/>
		bard &#39;bug&#39; that sends baddies our way for no apparent<br/>
reason.</div>