So, instead of songs that you can use constantly you'd rather have a bunch
of songs we can use 1ce a day? Come on now, I do NOT want to be tied to my
manabar especially with as slow as our mana comes back. I like a LOT of
the songs we've proposed. And I agree some do need a check/balance. But
why does it have to be something we cannot recover anywhere even remotely
quickly? Why not cost 1/2 health? or 1 bubble of hp? Why tie it to mana
(which we are incapable of recovering)? But, looking at these proposals.
Most of the ones that have a proposal of X mana/tic cost really don't NEED a
check of that kind. Remember you're talking about limiting ALL our song use
for mana songs.
As someone else pointed out these are LEVEL 50+ songs. We shouldn't HAVE to
sacrifice anything to have these abilities. I have yet to see a single
powerful song here that would be "unbalancing" without manacost. Ok, maybe
the time stop one was ;) But the others? Come on, these are nice abilities
but I'd hardly call them abilities that will recharge about as fast as
paladin layhands.
Remember: 1 bar of mana recharges SLOWER than SK harm touch or Paladin
Layhands (both of which are horrendously powerful and are just _skills_,
skills they get at level _1_). I
don't dissagree that it would be nice to have 1, MAYBE 2 songs that will
burn up our mana. But our mana doesn't come back fast.
Do you honestly think we should have 4 songs (25%) out of the 13 we (should)
be getting require all our mana to be useful? Seriously: how many times
are you going to use 1 pulse of a song... only 1 pulse mind you. On all the
suggestions I've seen 1 pulse = 1 bubble of mana. So we're talking 200+
mana
casting cost (for any bard).
Basically, if we use mana for songs, given current bard mana recovery rates:
I sing 1 mana using song till OOM (not really long given the rates of use
proposed) I now am incapable of singing ANY mana using songs until I
recover at least
SOME of my mana. 1 bubble of mana for a bard is around 10-20 minutes.
Thanks but no thanks.
I'm a bard, not a mage dammit
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Honeyman" <honeyman@...>
To: <eqbards@onelist.com>
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2000 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [eqbards] Umm... easy on the mana...
> From: Ryan Honeyman <honeyman@...>
>
> >
> > Please don't propose mana costs in our songs unless you also propose
> > that our meditate cap be removed and our immunity to clarity effects be
> > removed.
>
> I highly doubt they remove the meditate limit or give us the ability
> to receive benefit from clarity type effects. I think that was your
> point anyway, it's not going to happen. I agree that 75% of our new
> songs should be manaless, just like the bulk of our songs now. The
> problem is, I'm tired of just getting the 'next Anthem' or the 'next
> Heal' or the 'next Resistance song'. Original ideas like the ones
> I have seen are unique and very powerful. They need a check put in
> so that the Bard is not just constantly using these most powerful
> songs. I'm not saying all songs take a full bar, or take 1 bubble.
> Songs can taken 20 mana per tick, (20m/6s) = 300s worth of time at
> full mana (~1000 mana), for example.
>
> Songs like that sacrifice song are self-checking. You die, your
> party gains benefit. Dirge is a joke, and I hate to sound like
> a broken record but Dirge at L43 is the equivalent of a L20ish
> wizard dumping full mana into AE. The only thing desparate, again,
> is the damage done. This song takes up to an hour to mana cycle.
> (And no, Shada, I'm not a caster, I don't sit my bard down ever)
> It takes an hour for 90%+ of the bard population to regain mana for
> this song, because I know I have hidden my 'Sit' button since I
> don't use it. Needless to say the song is a waste. It requires
> mana, but for the wrong reason.
>
> There was the rumor of a high level bard song which stopped time.
> Something like that would absolutely take mana.
>
> I don't want to be stuck with Verses of Victory II at L60. I want
> some very distinct songs, and I just get the feeling that isn't
> going to happen. Let's also assume Verant aren't complete idiots,
> and we continue to receive one song per level. Here is what I
> predict:
>
> L51 - upgrade to hymm
> L52 - upgrade to lullaby
> L53 - upgrade to clouding
> L54 - upgrade to some useless AE like DDD, LMB
> L55 - upgrade to clarit
> L56 - upgrade to psalm line
> L57 - upgrade to charm
> L58 - not implemented
> L59 - upgrade to verses of victory
> L60 - not implemented
>
> It's sad, but I just don't see them doing anything that requires a whole
> lot of effort. Look at the other classes new spells, there's really
> nothing new about them. They are just upgrades to existing spells.
> I couldn't find any really new power anyone was given. Except maybe
> that single target kill series, but that requires a gem component, and
> then becomes extremely limited in use.
>
> So if I can get a song that makes me a badass at the cost of mana,
> but gets me into more parties because of the talent, I'm for it.
>
> Harmonic.
>
> I think I'm gonna sign with that DMB quote each time, it fits us
> perfecly.
>
> "What I want is what I've not got,
> What I need is all around me." -Jimi Thing, Dave Matthews Band.
>
>
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