At 12:21 PM 9/19/00 -0700, jhenders@... wrote:

>On Tue, Sep 19/00, John Tatsukawa <john@...> wrote:
> >
> > Well since we are the Jack of All Trades (Master of None) I just take
> it in
> > stride. Besides, there aren't all that many enchanters around, and when
> > there are, the enchanters are always happy to have me in the group with
> them.
> >
> > As always, it depends on the situation. Sometimes a bard might be better,
> > sometimes a specific class would be better. Besides, if you're grouped
> with
> > a bunch of jerks who boot you from a group, simply because they want one
> > class over another, I'd be only too happy not to be with a them.
>
>I think you are misreading what he said and allowing your emotional
>attachment to your character cloud your vision of the bard's
>effectiveness. He didn't mean a bard would be kicked from a group to
>make room for an enchanter. In the high level game that doesn't happen
>because groups don't form unless they have an enchanter anyway.
>
>As to enchanters being happy to have you in the group, every caster
>loves the mana song just like every caster loves clarity. Some of us
>aspired to being a little more than a mana pump when we reached the
>pinnacle of our class at higher levels. With the latest patch you can
>now add ineffective haste to our ineffective crowd control in our list
>of defining abilities.

Sorry, must have misinterpreted. My understanding is that he was unhappy
with the fact that our speed buffing song has been nerfed, and that a group
would choose an enchanter over a bard because of it.

Your perspective sounds like it's applicable to only high level bards
however. I'm a upper-mid level bard (39) and can't say I've seen what
you're saying happens. I've been in lots of groups without enchanters. In
fact, it's rare that I run across an enchanter, and at my level I can still
do crowd control.

Any other low-mid level bards have an opinion?