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> 1. Re: bards in guilds...
> From: "Stephen E. McCloskey" <s.mccloskey@...>
> 2. Drum model and stuff
> From: Rebecca Small <rsmall@...>
> 3. Re: Drum model and stuff
> From: "Stephen E. McCloskey" <s.mccloskey@...>
> 4. Re: Abashi finally responds... sort of
> From: "Legba Work" <mattdeba@...>
> 5. RE: Abashi finally responds... sort of
> From: "Mott, Mike J." <mike.j.mott@...>
> 6. RE: Abashi finally responds... sort of
> From: Greg Gillan <ggillan@...>
> 7. Re: Abashi finally responds... sort of
> From: "Legba Work" <mattdeba@...>
> 8. RE: bards in guilds...
> From: Stephane Lange <slange@...>
> 9. Re: I posted this to the Everwhatever boards and to the Concert
Hall
> From: "Legba Work" <mattdeba@...>
> 10. RE: bards in guilds...
> From: "Reeves, Patrick W" <pwr3@...>
> 11. RE: Abashi finally responds... sort of
> From: "Garramone, Michael (CCI-Las Vegas)"
<garramone@...>
> 12. Re: The last 4 digests
> From: Joanna Wright <Centiera@...>
> 13. Singing short sword
> From: Mike.Roach@...
> 14. RE: Singing short sword
> From: Greg Gillan <ggillan@...>
> 15. RE: bards in guilds...
> From: "Garramone, Michael (CCI-Las Vegas)"
<garramone@...>
> 16. RE: Singing short sword
> From: "Garramone, Michael (CCI-Las Vegas)"
<garramone@...>
> 17. Re: Digest Number 1154
> From: <flash@...>
> 18. RE: Abashi finally responds... sort of
> From: JESSICA_WEBBER@...
> 19. RE: new topic ;)
> From: "Gordon Hughes" <ghughes@...>
> 20. Elfson DragonSlayer
> From: "Legba Work" <mattdeba@...>
> 21. Strength analysis (was: Abashi finally responds... sort of)
> From: Ioshua <Ioshua@...>
> 22. RE: bards in guilds...
> From: Jeffrey Sue <jsue@...>
> 23. RE: new topic ;)
> From: "Garramone, Michael (CCI-Las Vegas)"
<garramone@...>
> 24. Re: bards in guilds...
> From: "Legba Work" <mattdeba@...>
> 25. RE: new topic ;)
> From: Jeffrey Sue <jsue@...>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:09:24 -0400
> From: "Stephen E. McCloskey" <s.mccloskey@...>
> Subject: Re: bards in guilds...
>
> Just one . . . me, almost 31. Besides that there is a level 28, 12 and a
7.
> I did a /who all bard 30 40, /who all bard 41 50, /who all bard 51 60, the
> other day when there were 2400 people on the server and only came up with
a
> total of about 30 people across all 3 searches. =\ More armor for me I
guess!
>
> -Steve
>
>
> At 08:05 AM 10/12/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >Just a quick question. How many bards above 30 are there in your guilds?
> >
> >The more i play, the less bards i realize there are. When i do a /who all
> >bard in my guild, i count 2 bards at the most, me and a lev 52 (unless
> >there's a hidden one somewhere). How sad is that? do a /who all warrior
or
> >any other class in the guild and you'll see on average 7. Mind you in a
> >weird way this is to my advantage as whenever i'm planes capable, i wont
> >have to lotto for imbrued since she's got a full set, a breath of harmony
> >and a partisan. But still, i still wish there were more bards around but
i
> >think the numbers will keep dropping as i read this mailing list 8(
> >................
> >Minkin
> >Valorium
> >Sol Ro
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:45:00 -0400
> From: Rebecca Small <rsmall@...>
> Subject: Drum model and stuff
>
> Hi all,
>
> The drum thing bugs me. We said in beta, why do we strum a stick? they
> said, it's beta we'll fix it. Release, we still strum a stick, they say we
> forgot to do the drum. Drum gets likened to the barb shield thing, it's
too
> big, maybe we can fix it later. Something like a year later, new lands
(and
> all that modeling) still a stick. Nostrolo's tamborine gets turned into a
> tamborine instead of a stick, all drums are still sticks. Give me odds the
> next addition and the chance to recitfy the drum thing and avoid the large
> d/l (cited as a main drawback to fixing) still won't have a drum. I've
> played a bard for 2 years as of next month, and that seems like a damn
long
> time for something to be outstanding. It says they either don't care or
they
> are simply unable to deal with the volume of problems they have. Granted I
> am a perfectionist, and spent 15 years in Nuclear Maintenance to make it
> worse. We tracked outstanding issues based on severity AND the length of
> time the issue was outstanding. The NRC is very interested in cycle times.
> The point was long cycle times says the management of the facility was
> lacking in commitment and efficiency, and would get a plant on the Watch
> list as fast as a real incident. Gaming is not nuclear power of course,
but
> the same indicators apply to any industry.
>
> On another topic, I have been in Sebilis the last 2 weekends. My cleric
and
> I either join a group or form one. When no enchanter is available, I have
> been doing the crowd control. My best is to charm one, have it fight the
> second or use the 53 mez. The best I can do is 2 mobs mez'ed. I just don't
> seem to have time to get a 3rd effectively. I was actually down to one
> bubble of mana left at one point, and we were just at bridge 3. The pickup
> wizard was annoyed that I wasn't singing clarity the whole time. :)
>
> Brilinnia Ban'Sidhe (one bubble on 53)
> Excalibur, Xegony
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:02:31 -0400
> From: "Stephen E. McCloskey" <s.mccloskey@...>
> Subject: Re: Drum model and stuff
>
> I often wonder if we should even be asking for Verant to fix the drums.
> After all, look at the duck waddle we have after the "fix". The drum
> animation that Verant comes out with could be just as bad if not worse.
Do
> we really want to take that chance?! Not me!
>
> -Steve
>
> At 09:45 AM 10/12/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >Hi all,
> >
> > The drum thing bugs me. We said in beta, why do we strum a stick? they
> >said, it's beta we'll fix it. Release, we still strum a stick, they say
we
> >forgot to do the drum. Drum gets likened to the barb shield thing, it's
too
> >big, maybe we can fix it later. Something like a year later, new lands
(and
> >all that modeling) still a stick. Nostrolo's tamborine gets turned into a
> >tamborine instead of a stick, all drums are still sticks. Give me odds
the
> >next addition and the chance to recitfy the drum thing and avoid the
large
> >d/l (cited as a main drawback to fixing) still won't have a drum. I've
> >played a bard for 2 years as of next month, and that seems like a damn
long
> >time for something to be outstanding. It says they either don't care or
they
> >are simply unable to deal with the volume of problems they have. Granted
I
> >am a perfectionist, and spent 15 years in Nuclear Maintenance to make it
> >worse. We tracked outstanding issues based on severity AND the length of
> >time the issue was outstanding. The NRC is very interested in cycle
times.
> >The point was long cycle times says the management of the facility was
> >lacking in commitment and efficiency, and would get a plant on the Watch
> >list as fast as a real incident. Gaming is not nuclear power of course,
but
> >the same indicators apply to any industry.
> >
> >........
> >Brilinnia Ban'Sidhe (one bubble on 53)
> >Excalibur, Xegony
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:23:20 -0400
> From: "Legba Work" <mattdeba@...>
> Subject: Re: Abashi finally responds... sort of
>
> Our mez song ig useful till at least lvl 30. I say this because in my
> cleric's group (which is now lvl 30) our bard still uses lullaby
effectivly.
> I'm not sure when it becomes useless (Elfson just about never used it
> because high taunt factor in pickup groups was too risky for him), but it
> has some use at least. Pixie Strike on the other hand is pretty weak for
> mezzing. Though I still love the song for its stun effect. My guild (who
I
> now spend most of my time grouped with) was shocked when a healer mob bot
> off a heal in combat. "Elf, what did you fall asleep there?" (I actually
> didn't knwo the mob was a healer thus wasn't stunning).
>
> But that shows how useful that song is, my guild just assumes that every
> heal is going to get interupted. (Obviously not just me doing it). SO
that
> song is still useful.
>
> Face the facts, we knew a month ago we would never get to mez at higher
> levels. Live with it. I don't know why you masochistly read Gordon's
> posts anymore. You know what he's going to say.
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:24:03 -0500
> From: "Mott, Mike J." <mike.j.mott@...>
> Subject: RE: Abashi finally responds... sort of
>
> The interrupt component of Pixie Strike still works for me at 41. I
havent
> had the guts to fire up lullaby recently and check it out. Might have to
> try that tonight.......
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Legba Work [SMTP:mattdeba@...]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 9:23 AM
> > To: eqbards@egroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [eqbards] Abashi finally responds... sort of
> >
> > Our mez song ig useful till at least lvl 30. I say this because in my
> > cleric's group (which is now lvl 30) our bard still uses lullaby
> > effectivly.
> > I'm not sure when it becomes useless (Elfson just about never used it
> > because high taunt factor in pickup groups was too risky for him), but
it
> > has some use at least. Pixie Strike on the other hand is pretty weak
for
> > mezzing. Though I still love the song for its stun effect. My guild
(who
> > I
> > now spend most of my time grouped with) was shocked when a healer mob
bot
> > off a heal in combat. "Elf, what did you fall asleep there?" (I
actually
> > didn't knwo the mob was a healer thus wasn't stunning).
> >
> > But that shows how useful that song is, my guild just assumes that every
> > heal is going to get interupted. (Obviously not just me doing it). SO
> > that
> > song is still useful.
> >
> > Face the facts, we knew a month ago we would never get to mez at higher
> > levels. Live with it. I don't know why you masochistly read Gordon's
> > posts anymore. You know what he's going to say.
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:30:07 -0400
> From: Greg Gillan <ggillan@...>
> Subject: RE: Abashi finally responds... sort of
>
> Hmmm, I seem to recall Shada saying he'd never get past level 54, then 55,
> then never get past 56. . .
>
>
> Elwyn <Da`Kor>
> 60 Bard, Erollisi Marr
> Loving his Singing Short Sword despite all the complaints :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Garramone, Michael (CCI-Las Vegas)
> [mailto:garramone@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 7:45 PM
> To: 'eqbards@egroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [eqbards] Abashi finally responds... sort of
> <snip>
> i am now back into
> playing, but i can guarantee i will never get past level 58, if that heh.
i
> just don't have the time to put in.
>
> Shada
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:38:01 -0400
> From: "Legba Work" <mattdeba@...>
> Subject: Re: Abashi finally responds... sort of
>
> Heh not friendly for groups?
>
> Screech: Any bard who goes into a dungeon where you may have to evac
should
> have this memmed. Also ever fear/snare in burning woods? Its more
> effective than a balanced group of 6 fighting the mobs straight up there.
> We even have sold our cleric on the idea, and he just blasts the mobs now
> (and heals when things go awry.
>
> Chains: I always have this memmed in dungeons too. Why? Because stuff
> happens. Your ranger goes LD before snaring. Someone screws up and roots
> the mob (breaking snare). There is no snarer in the group (or your snarer
> is too low). In any case NOBODY else can chase down a mob while casting
> snare in an emrgency. (Is there a junark armor with snare? If so make
that
> nobody a bit smaller)
>
> Songof the Sirens: You have to be kidding me. This is our most powerful
> song (till higher lvl then its the 39 charm song). Worse case of this
song
> is you have one mob damaging the mob the parry is on rather than you 90%
of
> the time. Best case, you have 2 mobs beating on each other, while the
party
> kills a third. Oh yea, tell the enchanter who has half a bub of life when
> you charm the mob off him (giving the healer time to heal) that you
> shouldn;t mem the song when he's around. I cannot count the number of
> enchanters/healers/over blasters I have saved with this song.
>
> Clouding: Ok here there are some problems, BUT an organzied group can use
> this song amazingly well. Player 1 walks, leading the group to their camp
> in the dungeon. Rest of group, inlcuding bard singing clouding follows.
> Player 2 who also knows the way "sweeps" behind the group making sure all
> stay close.
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:41:23 +0200
> From: Stephane Lange <slange@...>
> Subject: RE: bards in guilds...
>
>
> he he we are 6 bards over 30 in our guild on 40 people
> but i guess we are not representative, we are problably the guild with
> the greatest ratio "bard other classes" :)
>
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Cyr, Thierry [mailto:thierry.cyr@...]
> Envoye : jeudi 12 octobre 2000 14:06
> A : 'eqbards@egroups.com'
> Objet : [eqbards] bards in guilds...
>
>
> Just a quick question. How many bards above 30 are there in your guilds?
>
> The more i play, the less bards i realize there are. When i do a /who all
> bard in my guild, i count 2 bards at the most, me and a lev 52 (unless
> there's a hidden one somewhere). How sad is that? do a /who all warrior
or
> any other class in the guild and you'll see on average 7. Mind you in a
> weird way this is to my advantage as whenever i'm planes capable, i wont
> have to lotto for imbrued since she's got a full set, a breath of harmony
> and a partisan. But still, i still wish there were more bards around but
i
> think the numbers will keep dropping as i read this mailing list 8(
>
> P.S. got my ss helm, in a weird way, im kinda happy the effect doesnt work
> for me yet. I cant wait to see myself in imbrued/ss together, i think the
> green and yellow look cool together.
>
> "you have slain an Eye of Minkin" *sigh*
>
> Minkin
> Valorium
> Sol Ro
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:44:07 -0400
> From: "Legba Work" <mattdeba@...>
> Subject: Re: I posted this to the Everwhatever boards and to the Concert
Hall
>
> I suggested that insturment required mez when this was being raged over
> early in the year. I think it would be a valid compramise, but I'm not
> holding my breath...
>
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 07:50:44 -0700
> From: "Reeves, Patrick W" <pwr3@...>
> Subject: RE: bards in guilds...
>
> My guild has one high level bard (me), one mid 30's bard, and about 6 bard
> twinks(all under 30). The Alliance we are a part of has about a dozen
> planes level bards. Not sure how many below that.
>
> Rokenn
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stephane Lange [mailto:slange@...]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 7:41 AM
> > To: eqbards@egroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [eqbards] bards in guilds...
> >
> >
> >
> > he he we are 6 bards over 30 in our guild on 40 people
> > but i guess we are not representative, we are problably the guild with
> > the greatest ratio "bard other classes" :)
> >
> >
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De : Cyr, Thierry [mailto:thierry.cyr@...]
> > Envoye : jeudi 12 octobre 2000 14:06
> > A : 'eqbards@egroups.com'
> > Objet : [eqbards] bards in guilds...
> >
> >
> > Just a quick question. How many bards above 30 are there in
> > your guilds?
> >
> > The more i play, the less bards i realize there are. When i
> > do a /who all
> > bard in my guild, i count 2 bards at the most, me and a lev 52 (unless
> > there's a hidden one somewhere). How sad is that? do a /who
> > all warrior or
> > any other class in the guild and you'll see on average 7.
> > Mind you in a
> > weird way this is to my advantage as whenever i'm planes
> > capable, i wont
> > have to lotto for imbrued since she's got a full set, a
> > breath of harmony
> > and a partisan. But still, i still wish there were more
> > bards around but i
> > think the numbers will keep dropping as i read this mailing list 8(
> >
> > P.S. got my ss helm, in a weird way, im kinda happy the
> > effect doesnt work
> > for me yet. I cant wait to see myself in imbrued/ss together,
> > i think the
> > green and yellow look cool together.
> >
> > "you have slain an Eye of Minkin" *sigh*
> >
> > Minkin
> > Valorium
> > Sol Ro
> >
> >
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> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:15:44 -0400
> From: "Garramone, Michael (CCI-Las Vegas)" <garramone@...>
> Subject: RE: Abashi finally responds... sort of
>
> didn't know you got yours, grats =)
>
> heh did i say that? well i know i said 57 was my last level. i "think" i
> can get to 58, but it took me 6 weeks to get from 57.1 to 57.2, so i don't
> see 59 in my future.
>
> Shada
>
> > Hmmm, I seem to recall Shada saying he'd never get past level
> > 54, then 55,
> > then never get past 56. . .
> >
> >
> > Elwyn <Da`Kor>
> > 60 Bard, Erollisi Marr
> > Loving his Singing Short Sword despite all the complaints :)
>
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:21:04 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Joanna Wright <Centiera@...>
> Subject: Re: The last 4 digests
>
> :P Ok, so I didn't check my e-mail for 2 days and you
> all get chatty. I see how it is...
>
> Alrighty, as to why working as intended isn't good
> enough: Simple answer is gameplay. I've heard horror
> stories of people trying to use the 51 (52?) travel
> song only to have one member get hit and fall to their
> death. I've also heard this song won't stack with
> dead man floating which would fix the problems with
> this song right there.
>
> What a lot of these songs should do (45th song, the
> travel song, etc) is create more than one spell icon.
> The upper level haste song that has the DS on it
> should have the damage shield component seperate.
> >From what I've heard, the DS is lost so quickly thus
> canceling the whole song effect that upper level bards
> simply switch to an earlier haste song.
>
> That's why these "working as intended" songs were a
> good idea but bad reality.
>
> Abashi's comments about our singing steel pissed me
> off even more. Exactly what are we balanced against
> right now? The warrior Cobalt is something I'd love
> to have. Don't most of the pieces have healing
> properties in the form of self buffs to them? I'd
> really love to know what moron thought the helm,
> pants, and boots effects were balanced.
>
> The reason why lots of the older bards are still
> chaffing at the whole lullaby issue is indeed how it
> used to work. But it's also how Verant decided to
> handle that whole issue. We have the head magic guy
> at the time publicly stating it seems messed up.
> We're told to wait patiently which we do, for 6 to 8
> months. In that time the break another song but fix
> it. Then they break that song again and refuse to fix
> it. Then they have a mouthpiece come out and say
> she'll get to the bottom of this who promptly tells us
> some lame excuse about how it's never supposed to have
> been useable after 30th. So where's the upgrade of
> lullaby around 29th???
>
> If you're a bard that was around when you could use
> lullaby as it used to be, you're more than likely
> pretty pissed off right now. The reason is because 2
> classes (shaman and cleric) has essentially had their
> own lullaby issue come up and it either got fixed or
> is getting fixed. Mark of Karn was nerfed, they
> suggested fixes, and Verant went with the one the
> clerics wanted. BTW, the fix wasn't one of the options
> Verant gave them. All that got done in about a week.
> It seems now the shamen have gotten Verant to look
> into their uber weapon. How much you wanna bet they
> get a fix close to what the shamen as a whole will be
> happy with?
>
> Since I'm one of those bards who got to play with
> lullaby, you're asking if I'm so livid, why do I play
> a bard? Mainly cause none of my secondaries are close
> to 45. However, I've heard is said you can get a
> warrior to close to that in 2 months or so. Mine's
> 13th in 3 of my regular play days. Oh, and with
> bandages, I'm soloing. I figure a shaman is probably
> closer to being a bard but I just don't like how
> female barbarians look. Hehe, and I am a true bard
> when it comes to astetics :P (I saw an absolutely
> perfect combo. Runed mithril tunic with BI leggins,
> arms, boots, gloves and a leather helm. The half-elf
> wearing it looked great. Mithril BP, arms, and
> leggings with singing steel bracers, gauntlets, helm
> and boots looks awesome too.)
>
> Anyway, to sum up, Abashi is full of it, I'm bitter,
> and I think it's perfectly acceptable to make choices
> in armor that cut down your AC but 100 to 150 points
> or so in the name a fashion :) Another valueable post
> from me, lol!
>
> OH! I do remember dragonrealms too. I was a warrior
> mage there. It was 9.95 a month but you could upgrade
> to 29.95 a month to get access to better hunting
> areas, and your own house. Was a good game but the
> people who ran it angered me to no end and I left when
> an alternative came out (taps foot waiting for Anarchy
> Online's release date).
>
> OH! Something else I remembered while proof reading.
> There was a post on whineplay from a bard complaining
> about a stealth nerf on selo's. Reports were
> conflicting about it so I blew off that issue.
> Yesterday I noticed selo's acceleration got noticeably
> faster. Kinda like someone broke something and just
> fixed it maybe? /rude Verant
>
> Centiera D'Winter
> 45th Half-elf Bard
> Cesca
> 13th Half-Elf Warrior
> Litharia
> 23rd High Elf Cleric
>
> PS- I have 3 friends who are female barb shamen so I'm
> not anti-female barb, it's just not something I'd like
> to play.
>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:23:12 -0700
> From: Mike.Roach@...
> Subject: Singing short sword
>
> Does anyone have a picture of the particle effects on this sword or know a
> url that has a shot? I'm curious about what it looks like.
>
> -Faras Tar'Linedhel
> E'ci
>
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:26:19 -0400
> From: Greg Gillan <ggillan@...>
> Subject: RE: Singing short sword
>
> It actually looks really good (I think). I've had a lot of people say its
> the best effect they've ever seen. Afterlife has a few pics on thier
board.
> I took a few pics of mine, but they're on my home computer and I'm at work
> right now.
>
>
> Elwyn <Da`Kor>
> 60 Bard, Erollisi Marr
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike.Roach@... [mailto:Mike.Roach@...]
> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:23 AM
> To: eqbards@egroups.com
> Subject: [eqbards] Singing short sword
>
>
> Does anyone have a picture of the particle effects on this sword or know a
> url that has a shot? I'm curious about what it looks like.
>
> -Faras Tar'Linedhel
> E'ci
>
>
>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:30:45 -0400
> From: "Garramone, Michael (CCI-Las Vegas)" <garramone@...>
> Subject: RE: bards in guilds...
>
> talanic told me to do a "/w 33 60 bard all" the other night and there were
> 16 i think. in my guild there are 4 primary bards over 30: two 60 bards,
me
> (57), and a 56. mith marr is so tweaked on bard drops that we are all in
> full SS, all have BoH, etc. i think we have 1 twink bard around level 45.
>
> Shada
>
> > Just one . . . me, almost 31. Besides that there is a level
> > 28, 12 and a 7.
> > I did a /who all bard 30 40, /who all bard 41 50, /who all
> > bard 51 60, the
> > other day when there were 2400 people on the server and only
> > came up with a
> > total of about 30 people across all 3 searches. =\ More
> > armor for me I guess!
> >
> > -Steve
>
>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:44:33 -0400
> From: "Garramone, Michael (CCI-Las Vegas)" <garramone@...>
> Subject: RE: Singing short sword
>
> http://www.afterlifeguild.org/?page=sss
>
> > Afterlife has a few pics
> > on thier board.
> > I took a few pics of mine, but they're on my home computer
> > and I'm at work
> > right now.
>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 07:49:02 -0800 (AKDT)
> From: <flash@...>
> Subject: Re: Digest Number 1154
>
> Minkin,
>
> Don't forget the power level possibilites that occur becuase of your
Singing
> Steel hat!
>
> If you make an eye, its blue to people levels 1-4 =D
> thus they get exp from it! /cackle
>
> I use the helm to make something for necros to lifetap to heal themselves.
> Nice in dungeons where that orc pawn isnt available for a huge lifetap.
>
> Plus, in inky (dark elf) form, the 'horny green hat' draws lots of
comments too
> ;)
>
> Frashii 'It aint easy, being green' Allegropaw
> 52 'Raw Bambooed' bard, Warders of Magic, Tarew Marr
>
> > From: "Cyr, Thierry" <thierry.cyr@...>
> > Subject: bards in guilds...
>
> [...] Snip
>
> > P.S. got my ss helm, in a weird way, im kinda happy the effect doesnt
work
> > for me yet. I cant wait to see myself in imbrued/ss together, i think
the
> > green and yellow look cool together.
> >
> > "you have slain an Eye of Minkin" *sigh*
> >
> > Minkin
> > Valorium
> > Sol Ro
>
>
>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:51:41 -0400
> From: JESSICA_WEBBER@...
> Subject: RE: Abashi finally responds... sort of
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hmmm, I seem to recall Shada saying he'd never get past level 54, then 55,
> then never get past 56. . .
>
> ** Heh, I was thinking that too. Now when I say I'll never see 20, I MEAN
> it!! ;^)
>
>
> Elwyn <Da`Kor>
> 60 Bard, Erollisi Marr
> Loving his Singing Short Sword despite all the complaints :)
>
>
> **Elwyn is male?? Wow, I just always had it in my head Elwyn was a female
> wood elf.
>
> Peace
> Evulia, level 12 and playing since 4/99
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Garramone, Michael (CCI-Las Vegas)
> [mailto:garramone@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 7:45 PM
> To: 'eqbards@egroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [eqbards] Abashi finally responds... sort of
> <snip>
> i am now back into
> playing, but i can guarantee i will never get past level 58, if that heh.
> i
> just don't have the time to put in.
>
> Shada
>
>
>
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> Message: 19
> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:31:53 -0400
> From: "Gordon Hughes" <ghughes@...>
> Subject: RE: new topic ;)
>
> Wow! This is an oldie! I can't remember when I originally posted it.
>
> I had a look at your guild's site and read up on your loot systems (you
were
> in the negative loot points, iirc ;) That sounds like a very good system,
> and I was wondering if other guilds on other servers did similarly.
>
> I'm certainly not in any position to worry about that yet, having just
> gotten level 32 (yay me!) and my guild certainly isn't in the realms of
> uberness like others.
>
> >
> well with us it merely depends on how many points you have in our loot
> system. last night a bard got a white scale off gorenaire and a warrior
got
> a red scale off talendor. i'm in no rush to get one, the pieces will come
> as they come.
>
> Shada
> >
>
>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:23:45 -0400
> From: "Legba Work" <mattdeba@...>
> Subject: Elfson DragonSlayer
>
> Well I was bored last night, playing my warrior twink (I will only play
> Elfson with guildies and for big raids now that he is 47), and I get a
tell
> that a group has cleared the fire giants but has decided they are a bit
weak
> to drop Naggy, so "How fast can you get your blue butt up to SolB?"
>
> Woohoo! My first dragon run!
>
> They were pretty experienced at this, so things went very smoothly (one
> melee group bit it when their bard went down), and he dropped very quickly
> (or so it seemed to me). I was in the xp group, which is a nice bonus...
>
> He even dropped his drum, which was given (deservedly so) to ther other
bard
> there who had been on several Naggy raids in the past.
>
> My original EQ goal has been accomplished!
>
>
>
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> Message: 21
> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:06:54 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Ioshua <Ioshua@...>
> Subject: Strength analysis (was: Abashi finally responds... sort of)
>
> ATK is made of two numbers, yes. The eq.castersrealm.com shaman forums
> (as well as Shaman's Curcible and I think another) occasionally have
> long discussons on the values of stats. Tumadorf is big on numbers and
> tight analysis, well written and all around in the know.
>
> This thread contains a graph of 6 different strengths, from 55 - 228
> showing not much more than random variance and a spike at the magic
> number and 1 damage frequency as one would expect.
> http://forums.castersrealm.com/eq/Forum12/HTML/000452.html
> A somewhat ugly graphical representation surrounded by a nice text
> analysis. It doesn't sit too well with me but I can't nail down why.
>
> One thing I see people commenting on is, why higher strength gives a
> lower average damage and more hits for 1. Ugh, lower average damage
> because of the hits for 1 and more hits for 1 because the +str bumps
> them up from a 0 damage hit (miss). It's a shame we can't always tell
> the difference between an avoided miss and a mitigated 0 damage hit.
>
> Just as a point of curiousity:
> How often do you, as a bard, get ridden for +str songs? I haven't gone
> out of my way to use one lately except when I'm smithing. After looking
> at how little +str effects overall damage (unless in a really melee
> heavy party) I stick with a haste effect (if no enchanter or I'm not
> busy doing everything else) or damage shields or dots depending on
> situation. However, I've only just hit 42 and haven't had a chance to
> try out McVaxius' yet so everything might change after I give it a
> whirl.
>
> --- Jeffrey Sue <jsue@...> wrote:
> > i actually have a few questions about this stuff.
> > +1 str == +1 atk right?
> >
> > now, is atk like ac in that it is made of up 2 numbers, like chance
> > to hit, and damage
> > done, sorta like damage avoidance and damage absorption? if so, then
> > real damage
> > applied would also have to increase.
> >
> > anyone got a good link to the analysis done on this?
>
>
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> Message: 22
> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:38:11 -0700
> From: Jeffrey Sue <jsue@...>
> Subject: RE: bards in guilds...
>
> We've got 3 planes capable bards and maybe 2 or 3 more.
>
> At 07:50 AM 10/12/00 -0700, you wrote:
> >My guild has one high level bard (me), one mid 30's bard, and about 6
bard
> >twinks(all under 30). The Alliance we are a part of has about a dozen
> >planes level bards. Not sure how many below that.
> >
> >Rokenn
>
>
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> Message: 23
> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:32:06 -0400
> From: "Garramone, Michael (CCI-Las Vegas)" <garramone@...>
> Subject: RE: new topic ;)
>
> heh almost out of the hole, SS BP and SS Legs hurt the points badly. a
> singing short sword will put me way back in the hole, but i'm not that
close
> yet. there was a guild on MM that left to Drinal that basically copied
our
> point system verbatim, with some minor tweaks. i'm not sure if any guilds
> on other servers have quite as structured a point system.
>
> Shada
>
> > I had a look at your guild's site and read up on your loot
> > systems (you were
> > in the negative loot points, iirc ;) That sounds like a very
> > good system,
> > and I was wondering if other guilds on other servers did similarly.
>
>
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> Message: 24
> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:30:49 -0400
> From: "Legba Work" <mattdeba@...>
> Subject: Re: bards in guilds...
>
> I am the only bard of about 30 people in our guild. Bards are very rare.
> Don't complain about it, it makes it easy to get groups and invites to big
> raids...
>
>
>
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> Message: 25
> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:10:41 -0700
> From: Jeffrey Sue <jsue@...>
> Subject: RE: new topic ;)
>
> which guild are you in and what's their website? i'd be interested in
> checking out the points scheme.
>
>
>
> At 12:32 PM 10/12/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >heh almost out of the hole, SS BP and SS Legs hurt the points badly. a
> >singing short sword will put me way back in the hole, but i'm not that
close
> >yet. there was a guild on MM that left to Drinal that basically copied
our
> >point system verbatim, with some minor tweaks. i'm not sure if any
guilds
> >on other servers have quite as structured a point system.
> >
> >Shada
>
>
>
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