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Message ID: 23035
Date: Fri Jan 12 13:15:50 GMT 2001
Author: Christopher Sanders
Subject: RE: [eqbards] Proposal to change how bard haste songs stack with enchanter/sham an haste spells


Heh..that's cool...and rare. :/

I think I have a decent lfg shout worked out, now. I'll give it a try this
weekend, and see what kind of response I get. Maybe now that it's known
that there *is* afterall a grouping bonus, no matter how small, finding
groups should be easier, and get easier once they raise that bonus.

Heck, matter of fact, just last night, I was grouped with a necro guildmate,
and another necro sends a tell asking to group. One is rare, two necro's
lfg...now that's just downright odd... :) Not complaining, though!

Atonal

-----Original Message-----
From: Kimes, Dean W. [mailto:dean_kimes@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 4:27 PM
To: 'eqbards@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [eqbards] Proposal to change how bard haste songs stack
with enchanter/sham an haste spells


Heh heh, that's good. I responded to a /shout a few nights ago. It was
"Looking for a cleric or an enchanter to round out group, send tells" I
responded with "How about a third of each with a third of a tank thrown in
for good measure? ;-)" They thought it was funny enough that they took me
in over the enchanter who responded ;-)

Kit

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Sanders [mailto:christopher.sanders@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 2:03 PM
To: 'eqbards@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [eqbards] Proposal to change how bard haste songs stack
with enchanter/sham an haste spells


First, I just wanted to say, it's wrong to cater to those who would program
a joypad...besides, the joypad can't try again if you miss a note. :)
Anyway...cater to the rest of us. :)

Second, I'm creating a LFG social. A nice big long one that will basically
be an advertisement of my skills. Not sure how to word it yet...I've
discarded a few, half formed ideas...

"Buffing, healing, mega bard, LFG!"

You get the idea...heh..that was lame...

I'm going back to work now...

Atonal

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeffrey Sue [mailto:jsue@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 3:44 PM
To: eqbards@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [eqbards] Proposal to change how bard haste songs stack
with enchanter/sham an haste spells


At 12:21 PM 1/11/01 -0700, you wrote:
>I would agree if it were not for one thing. Difficulty of actual play.
>There is no other class which even remotely approaches the actual physical
>difficulty of play which the bard class presents. I don't think bards are
>adequately recompensed for that aspect of the playability factor; in fact I
>don't think it even enters into the equation in Verant's mind because
>despite their claims to the contrary it is quite evident that no one there
>plays a bard regularly.

how difficult is it to program a gamepad with a 4 song twist and set it to
repeat?
you may not do that, and i may not do that, but people can do it, and fairly
easily. should they be recompensed?

>I think that if all the classes were properly balanced we would see a more
>balanced representation of the classes in the overall population. That is
>not the case. Certain classes so far outnumber others that it is readily
>apparent there must be a reason for it. Certain other classes, including
>bards, are so vastly underrepresented that there also must be a reason for
>that. Personal preference would obviously create some variation, but
across
>a population as large as this one that variation would not be at the levels
>we see now. Below is just a sample from E'ci that I took in the off-peak
>hours when I could get some actual numbers. Note that 'Anonymous' will
>lower the numbers shown for some classes, but typically should be fairly
>equal for all classes except those with high "request" factors like druids,
>shamans, enchanters, and clerics.

you should probably try at peak times with the flag ''count'', i.e. /who all
cleric count.
that will give you just the number instead of listing the names of each
person.
anon will tend to lower the numbers for certain classes like
druids/clerics/enchanters
who are already well represented it seems like.

also, there is a difference between ''perceived'' power and ''actual''
power. there is a lot
of player ignorance on what a bard can actually do. that doesn't
necessarily mean the
actual power needs to be pumped, just the perception. at level 55 i still
run across people
who say ''oh i didn't know a bard could do that''. There also tends to be a
lot of twinking/PLing
of the key big raid classes by uberguilds, i.e. warrior, cleric, enchanter,
wizard. that will tend to
skew numbers as well.

>Note these numbers are the averages over 4 nites at around 3am mst.
>
> Warriors 32+ too many to list
> Rogues 9.5
> Monks 5.5
> Rangers 30
> Paladins 27
> Shadowknights 17.5
> Bards 5
> Wizards 19.25
> Magicians 29.75
> Necromancers 32+ too many to list
> Enchanters 25+ One night there were too many to
>list
> Clerics 31+ Two nights there were too many to list
> Druids 32+ too many to list
> Shamans 23.75
>
> With over 600 people on the server this means that either half the
>server was Anonymous or Roleplaying (Highly unlikely) or those classes
>which were too many to list were actually much, much higher than 32 in
>number.
>
>
> Kitasi


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