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Message ID: 23300
Date: Sun Jan 21 22:42:15 GMT 2001
Author: Jeffrey Sue
Subject: RE: [eqbards] OT Complete heal (was Numbers on Bards)


At 10:11 AM 1/20/01 -0600, you wrote:
>To me here's the problem: Post 50; to go to most dungeon locations - it's
>impossible without both a Cleric and Enchanter. How many times have you had
>a group together in say Sebilis - and didn't go deeper because you didn't
>have the right classes?

AH HA!!!! someone finally did it and made this incredibly erroneous blanket statement!!!
Post 50 to go to most locations is NOT in the LEAST impossible without an enchanter
or cleric. i've personally done necrosis, jail, zonein, zoneout, and some random mobs
(i.e. the right bridge after the 3 spawn) without a cleric. hell, the time i camped the bridge
thing i mentioned above was me, ranger and necro, just the 3 of us. i've done kitchen, bar
and disco without an enchanter. the other night i did crypt (admittedly with 2 groups, but both
crypt guardian area and emperor area) where a necro and myself handled all the crowd control,
even tho we had an enchanter (thnx speed, thnx clarity, hahahaha).

If you are with people who know what they are doing and play their class well, you don't need
cleric and enchanter. (well, and if you have a shaman, but i digress) My personal theory,
and this doesn't necessarily apply to you slyde, just in general, is that a lot of the mediocre
players are now hitting the 50+ level range a year and a half after release. one thing is they
just aren't good enough to handle areas like the crypt or disco or kitchen without the crutch
of the cleric/enchanter combo. another factor is that a bunch of them soloed a lot and now they
hit 50 and want to get phat lewtz out of dungeons and totally suck at dungeon play. so now all
of a sudden you have a bunch of players who can't handle the ''hard'' areas and people start coming
up with your following statement about how it's a game flaw and verant screwed up, blah blah blah,
when it's really that they just aren't good enough players.

>IMHO - this is a terrible flaw of EQ and needs to be rectified. Improving
>Crowd Control capabilities of Bards helped; and improving healing for
>Shamans and Clerics could be another. Perhaps there are other better ways
>that don't involved "nerfing" clerics indirectly...
>
>Slyde