I was only using that as an example to show that increases to Agility do not
provide a one for one increase to AC. Fully aware that as your stats go up,
you reach a point of diminishing returns.

BTW my Agility was 99 when I hit myself with the 51 song. Agility dropped
to 54. Total AC loss was either 60 or 65 (16 from the song and the rest due
to Agility loss). Based on your previous reply, going below 75 Agility is a
major penalty to AC. A mob would have to have an Agility score of 120+ in
order to avoid going below 75 when hit with the 51 song. So the question
then is what kind of Agility score do typical 45+ mobs have? If the typical
45+ mob has less than 120 Agility, then the 51 song could have a major
impact on increasing the amount of melee damage your party does (assuming
the loss of 50-60 pts of AC is significant). If the typical 45+ mob has
more than 120 Agility, then obviously this song won't decrease their AC by
50-60 pts.

Next question. Lets assume you have a snarer and slower in your group and
as a result don't need this song for those purposes. Lets also assume the
song debuffs the mob's AC by 50-60 pts. Would it be better to use this song
strictly for the AC debuff or instead add in a chant for the extra damage?
For the AC debuff to outweigh the extra damage from a chant, the AC debuff
would have to account for around 150 extra melee damage done to the mob over
three ticks. Over three ticks, would it be safe to assume that the tanks
will get in 3-4 extra hits due to the AC debuff and as a result do well over
150 damage? If so, think this song will become a permanent fixture to my
playlist for a while.

Galtin of E'ci

-----Original Message-----
From: Reeves, Patrick W [mailto:pwr3@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 11:56 AM
To: 'eqbards@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [eqbards] Largos Absonant Binding (lvl 51)

Saying that 30 agl only added 3 AC is pointless. How much your agility
effects AC is dependant on where your Agility starts. If you have 75
agility and gain 30 you will gain much more then if you have 150 agility and
gain 30.

Rokenn

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Reece Tom R CPT 25 ID L G4 [mailto:g4mntofcr@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 1:49 PM
> To: eqbards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [eqbards] Largos Absonant Binding (lvl 51)
>
>
> BTW VoV adds 30 to agility but only base 20 to AC. When I
> use this song, my
> AC actually goes up 22 or 23 pts. 20 for the song and 2 or 3
> for the extra
> 30 agility. So taken in reverse, the 45 pts of agility lost
> when hit with
> the 51 song should not decrease AC by 45 (one for one).
>
> Galtin of E'ci
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Reece Tom R CPT 25 ID L G4 [mailto:g4mntofcr@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 11:42 AM
> To: eqbards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [eqbards] Largos Absonant Binding (lvl 51)
>
>
> I didn't think Agility was a one for one exchange for AC. When I have
> gotten Agility buffs in the past, I do not recall my AC
> increasing the same
> the amount of the Agility buff. I could be wrong though and
> if so, that
> would explain why I lost 60 AC when I hit myself with the 51 song.
>
> Galtin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kimes, Dean W. [mailto:dean_kimes@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 11:36 AM
> To: 'eqbards@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [eqbards] Largos Absonant Binding (lvl 51)
>
>
> The loss of 45 Agility had the secondary effect of lowering
> your AC by the
> remainder. I imagine this was originally tested by
> encumbering oneself so
> as to lose 45 pts of agility and observing the resultant drop in AC.
>
> Kit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Reece Tom R CPT 25 ID L G4 [mailto:g4mntofcr@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 2:34 PM
> To: eqbards@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [eqbards] Largos Absonant Binding (lvl 51)
>
>
> I hit myself with this song last night to test it out. My
> agility dropped
> 45 pts like the info below states. However, my AC dropped
> over 60 pts, 65
> IIRC, which is a big difference from 16 as listed below.
> Anyone know why
> there is a disparity between the two numbers? Does the song work
> differently against PCs versus NPCs? In other words, PCs
> lose 60+ AC while
> NPCs only lose 16-18 AC.
>
> Galtin of E'ci
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Schuldes [mailto:jgs@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 7:11 AM
> To: 'eqbards@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [eqbards] Largos Absonant Binding (lvl 51)
>
>
> You can get a program from http://www.eqcaster.com that will
> "parse" the
> spell database and show the client side info:
>
> Largo`s Absonant Binding
> Decrease Armor Class (AC) from 16 (L51) to 18 (L60)
> Decrease Attack Speed for between 30% (L51) to 35% (L60)
> Decrease Movement between 52% (L51) to 61% (L60)
> Decrease Agility from 45 (L51) to 50 (L60)
>
> Sylly
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Reece Tom R CPT 25 ID L G4 [mailto:g4mntofcr@...]
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 8:52 PM
> To: EQBards
> Subject: [eqbards] Largos Absonant Binding (lvl 51)
>
>
> Whats the slow percentage for this song? It isn't listed on
> the EQSongs
> website. I assume it is 30% like Chains and Largos but just want to
> confirm.
>
> Thanks
> Galtin of E'ci
>
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