*sigh* Did Kenross get sold on ebay? To say that the needed change to the
lvl 19 song (adding see invis) made the lvl 24 song pointless is about the
stupidest thing I have read on this or any list. Next time you need to see
invis with a pet caster around see how much they enjoy recasting their pet
when you pulse clouding to see invis. Or maybe when you are fighting invis
mobs in PoA or another zone and have to use your flute so your party can see
the invis mob you are fighting.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kenneth E. Bachman [mailto:kbachman@...]
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 2:41 PM
To: eqbards@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [eqbards] Re: Bard% was (Patch message)

The level 24 song is ultravision/see invis. This song was relatively but
not entirely useless until
Verant modified level 19 to be not just invis but invis/see invis. At which
point, they never bothered to
address the fact that this made level 24 pointless. So looking at the
weakness of 24 to justify the
weakness of DDD isn't a good comparison. Particularly since Verant just
explicitly modified DDD to make
it "good" in their way of thinking.

Also, Verant has never in any way indicated that DDD was tuned with PvP in
mind. In general, their
approach is to make songs/spells work differently on blue and red servers in
order to balance for PvP. In
the absence of any other information, I am forced to assume that they
believe that this song is balanced
for blue server play. I couldn't disagree with them more.

Kenross Cantoforjado, 57 songs, Innoruuk

Jeffrey Sue wrote:

> well, for all the wood elf and half elf bards or bards with mask of

deception or

> guise of the deceiver, they don't get a song at level 24 then (ultravision

song).

> how about if we compare the ratio of human bards with no mask to the total
> number of bards with the ratio of pvp players to non pvp players?

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