hrmmmm ,, if this message is the kind of trash we have to expect from Mr.
Sheppard ,, please show him the door.....
----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne Sheppard <mrwayne@...>
To: <eqbards@onelist.com>
Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 9:13 AM
Subject: [eqbards] You are all wrong
> From: "Wayne Sheppard" <mrwayne@...>
>
> > Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:36:57 -0600
> > From: "Kimes, Dean W." <Dean_Kimes@...>
> > Subject: RE: Bards vs Clerics in melee
> >
> > The mere fact that there would be a MAJOR UPROAR makes it obvious that
not
> > being able to bind is a far more serious detriment than you would have
us
> > believe. Binding is bar-none the most powerful ability in the game,
> period.
> > There is no ability that makes up for it nor any package of abilities
that
> > does so balance-wise.
>
> You are correct. That is why that Bards alone cannot get this spell. It
> wouldn't be fair for every other class if Bards got "the most powerful
> ability in the game". If you would have read my note instead of just
trying
> to flame me, you would have saw that.
>
> You can pull a hundred reasons out of your ass as to why Bards should have
> Bind and it won't make one bit of difference. Bards are not going to get
> Bind. Instead of beating your head against a brick wall, you should be
> asking for something that might have a chance of being implemented. Ask
for
> the capability to be bound anywhere (or just at Inns) by a caster AND the
> ability to be bound in cities by NPCs.
>
> >
> > To call Clerics pure casters is a joke. Clerics and Shamans are hybrids
> > plain and simple. Both can melee effectively at some levels and sit
back
> > and cast at other levels. Pure casters are never effective at melee.
> There
> > are four Pure caster classes in this game. Magician, Enchanter, Wizard,
> and
> > Necromancer. Clerics, Druids and Shamans are hybrids that lean heavily
to
> > caster. Shadowknights, Rangers, and Paladins are hybrids that lean
> heavily
> > towards melee. Balance would suggest that Bards are hybrids that lean
> > neither way. We get the worst of both worlds for the most part. The
> lousy
> > defensive skills of the caster hybrids and the lousy offensive spells of
> the
> > melee hybrids.
> >
> > It takes a particular type of person to have fun playing a bard. Bards
> can
> > be fun to play, no doubt about it, but those who find them so, myself
> > included, would have fun playing a bard no matter what the abilities
were
> > just because that's the type of people we are. I'd just like to be able
> to
> > have as much fun playing the class I am most attracted to as my friends
do
> > playing the class they are most attracted to. Right now, character
> > balance-wise, that ain't happenin'.
> >
> > Oh and the Identify spell isn't the only spell those pure casters get at
> > that level is it? In fact it isnt even one of 4 per level group but
more
> > like 1 of 8 or ten. also our 12th level DD does 7 points of damage max.
> > Yeah we can cast it a lot if we don't cast anything else since none of
our
> > spells have the 45+ minute duration of cleric buffs.
>
> Are you just a stupid ass fuck? I am so sick and tired of all these
> crybabies who has raised up one character to level 12 and thinks their
class
> is underpowered. All your facts are so screwed up.
>
> - "12th level DD does 7 points of damage max" WRONG. Every two levels it
> does an extra point of damage.
> - "45+ minute duration of cleric buffs." WRONG. None of the low-medium
> Cleric spells last that long. Maybe at 40+....
> - "The lousy defensive skills of the caster hybrids" WRONG. Bard's
Defense
> caps at 5/level instead of 4/level for Clerics. Bards have the same
> defensive ability of Rangers and Paladins until level 17-18 (where Rangers
> and Paladins get Parry).
> - "lousy offensive spells of the melee hybrids." WRONG. Paladins can
only
> affect Undeads. And if you stop and restart Bellow, you can get many more
> magical attacks than a Paladin and Ranger could ever hope to get off. And
> correct me if I am wrong, I thought that the hybrids stop attacking while
> they were casting (or maybe their animation doesn't show it). Plus Bards
> never run out of mana.
> - "To call Clerics pure casters is a joke." WRONG. I never called
Clerics
> pure casters.
>
> > Kitasi the exasperated
>
> Wayne the frustrated
>
>