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Message ID: 8012
Date: Wed Oct 6 16:53:56 BST 1999
Author: Kimes, Dean W.
Subject: RE: Characters in EQ


I'd definitely have to agree with what you've said here. I had a female
manager at my last job criticize me in a meeting because I asked a male
manager not to make jokes that were degrading to women. She actually said I
shouldn't have embarrassed him like that in front of his coworkers!
Needless to say the three other women at the meeting were very supportive
and were glad to see that someone was willing to stand up and tell the
manager he was out of line. I am fortunate in my new job that although my
field is very technical, the managers here have been very proactive at
hiring men and women who are good at what they do. Our Director of
application development is now a woman and she does a great job. I
personally don't mind the graphics too much, but heck if a company wants
more females customers they should put some graphics in that will be more
appealing to women.
I also wish the classes were more distinctive in their looks. I am always
getting requests to track or SoW. When I tell them I don't get track till
very high level they are shocked to learn I am not a ranger. I've had this
happen while I was standing there playing my lute!
It would sure be nice if they'd change some of the graphics for each of the
classes. I'd much rather have musical notes on my chest than that silly
pine tree. Neither is ideal, but at least I might not get mistaken for a
ranger or rogue so much.

Kitasi

-----Original Message-----
From: Lora Roa [mailto:loraroa@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 6:48 AM
To: eqbards@onelist.com
Subject: Re: [eqbards] Characters in EQ


From: Lora Roa <loraroa@...>

The sex of the art director means nothing. As a female who has worked in
three highly technical and previously all-male (as well as still 95% male)
fields. I will say that some of the most discrimanatory and backwards (as
to
sexism) statements and decisions have been made by females. Who either:
- honestly believe they are inferior
- fear challenging a male as a "lone" female may cost them thier job at the
extreme, or some peer respect at a minimum (often it does)
- are trying to prove they can be "one of the boys" and understand the
male world (not always bad - but means you'll see females making oddly
male choices).

One example.
I was once called on the carpet and emphatically told to "never, ever again
ask a question of a male in a meeting when the question *may* lead him to
discover that something could have been done better (and thus insult him)"
in the late 80's BY A FEMALE. Of course, the muckety-muck male, who's
response
to my technical question was "I'll look into that", was incredibly pleased
I'd given him a good question to ask his techies and thrilled when they
fixed
the problem and made him LOOK GOOD! The techies in question were my office
mates and had been dying for resources or an excuse to fix that problem, and
thanked me for creating the opportunity to get it "air time" at the
muckety-muck
level so they could fix it. The male was ever after appreciative of my
technical
problem solving to the point of wanting me to transfer to his group, and the

female became a deadly political enemy. We were the only two females in
the area.
The company was no backwoods small shop, but the state headquarters for one
of the
top 3 phone/internet providers in the country.

Sure, EQ graphics are very sexist. I'm a female, and knowing what I know
about internet and RPG likely customers, I very well might have decided that
the current graphics were the right job decision. Yep, as a female. Its
still sexist, and I still hate the lack of graphics which would appeal to
female player.

>> Women, they look much more like Rangers than their female counterparts.
>> It seems quite obvious the Dev Team is an all male affair.
>>
>
>Heh. So many people say this but in fact the art director was a woman.