From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 X-Info: X-Info: This is an mbox archive of the public Mailstation Yahoo! Group X-Info: taken on December 29, 2018. X-Info: Unfortunately all of the files uploaded to the group are no X-Info: longer accessible. X-Info: Return-Path: X-Sender: donhamilton2002@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3409 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2004 20:27:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2004 20:27:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2004 20:27:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2004 20:26:14 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 20:26:13 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Announce: yes X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "donhamilton2002" Subject: Welcome to hacking the mailstation. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175336879 X-Yahoo-Profile: donhamilton2002 Status: RO Content-Length: 498 Lines: 20 Welcome all who wish to find information about the mailstation. This groups has been set up as a central location for technical information. The file and photo areas were missing with other locations. I know its been years in the coming, but Ill start off with the old files I created of the ROM dump. I will also include pdf files of the components I have found. If anyone has any technical information t share, please post here and Ill add it to the files/photos lists. thanks hamilton From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimmarek@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10961 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 06:54:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 06:54:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 06:54:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 06:54:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 06:54:04 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "jmareksr" Subject: Re: Welcome to hacking the mailstation. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175648140 X-Yahoo-Profile: jmareksr Status: RO Content-Length: 426 Lines: 14 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "donhamilton2002" wrote: > Welcome all who wish to find information about the mailstation. > Thanks for setting up the group and uploading the files. I am looking forward to figuring out how the mailstation works and then extending it to do some other interesting things. I have several questions, but I'll use them to start some new threads. Thanks again, Jim From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimmarek@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2879 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 07:17:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 07:17:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 07:17:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 07:17:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 07:17:07 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "jmareksr" Subject: What are the ethical risks of hacking the mailstation? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175648140 X-Yahoo-Profile: jmareksr Status: RO Content-Length: 882 Lines: 20 I can think of two ethical issues related to hacking the ms, one that I can ignore, and one that I can't. 1) I'm sure there was something in the license agreement about not reverse engineering the ms, but I look on this as a fascinating puzzle. There may be so much code that I will tire of trying to understand it before I ever do, but for now, it is a diversion. I don't have a problem with hacking an obsolete device as a personal challenge. Should I feel more unethical about this? 2) I'm also sure that there are some ms users who know nothing about computers and are just thrilled to get an email from a dear friend. I have a big problem with contributing to their frustration and disillusionment when someone figures out how to craft an email that will change the ms settings or disable it. Is it possible to collaborate on a hack and still protect the innocent? Jim From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimmarek@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89576 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 23:42:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 23:42:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 23:42:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 23:40:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 23:40:38 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "jmareksr" Subject: Selecting a disassembler X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175648140 X-Yahoo-Profile: jmareksr Status: RO Content-Length: 531 Lines: 15 Do you have a suggestion for a disassembler for the Z-80? I have used a disassembler on some Motorola 6803 ROMs that accepted a symbol file, which defined symbols and associated them with addresses. The disaasembler used the symbols as it created the source. This was very useful. Even nicer would be the ability to add documentation to the symbol file and have it appear in the generated listing at the corresponding locations in the code. I will do some research on this topic, but I'd love hear your experiences. Jim From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: donhamilton2002@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49974 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 05:12:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 05:12:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 05:12:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 05:12:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 05:12:30 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "donhamilton2002" Subject: Re: Selecting a disassembler X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175336879 X-Yahoo-Profile: donhamilton2002 Status: RO Content-Length: 182 Lines: 12 http://www.programmersheaven.com/zone5/cat49/15542.htm http://www.znode51.de/specials/dz80131.htm http://www.datarescue.com/ http://www.zilog.com/software/zds2.asp Have fun ! From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimmarek@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25845 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 23:56:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 23:56:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 23:56:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 23:56:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:56:17 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "jmareksr" Subject: Re: Selecting a disassembler X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175648140 X-Yahoo-Profile: jmareksr Status: RO Content-Length: 712 Lines: 18 Thanks for the list. Ida seems interesting. The disassembler that I have used in the past is called DASMx. It is downloadable for free on the Web. I particularly like 2 of its features - code threading and symbol files. Code threading automatically follows jump and branch instructions to find additional streams of code to disassemble. The symbol files allow the user to identify code, data, character strings, and pointers. The disassembler uses the symbols specified in the file whenever the location is referenced in the code. As you learn more about the structure of the software, and update the symbol file with the new information, successive disassemblies become more and more useful. Jim From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: searsz80@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25058 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 01:12:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 01:12:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 01:12:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2004 01:12:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 01:12:09 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "searsz80" Subject: Re: Welcome to hacking the mailstation. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175379185 X-Yahoo-Profile: searsz80 Status: RO Content-Length: 1518 Lines: 37 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "jmareksr" wrote: > --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "donhamilton2002" > wrote: > > Welcome all who wish to find information about the mailstation. > > > Thanks for setting up the group and uploading the files. Yes, thanks for setting this up! I have been tinkering with my mailstation for about a year now. It probably would have just got stuck away in a box, if not for the motivation provided by hamilton's soldering iron, and rogblake's disassembler. (I'm not sure if this is thanks, or blame!!!) I had studied rogblake's work, and thought I had it figgered out. But after much frustration trying to get the thing into reflash mode, I broke out MY soldering iron and hacked in a rom socket. (If I post pictures, you will understand why it's called hacking!) I figured if I couldn't get in the back door, I would just build a new front door. With a door-man that worked for *me*! So, I made a few test progs, and determined the address and polarity of the printer data port bits. Then I modified a remote debug rom I had made over 10 years ago, to work with that port. Now I could put the beast through it's paces, under the control of my trusty CP/M system (did I mention it was written over 10 years ago?) Anyways, my goal is to use the ms for something more interesting than email. One idea was to add a barcode reader, and create a sort of inventory device. I also like the idea of porting CP/M to it. -- Randy From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimmarek@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9887 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 00:32:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 00:32:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 00:32:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 00:32:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:32:38 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "jmareksr" Subject: Re: Welcome to hacking the mailstation. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175648140 X-Yahoo-Profile: jmareksr Status: RO Content-Length: 430 Lines: 14 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "searsz80" wrote: > So, I made a few test progs, and determined the address and polarity > of the printer data port bits. Would you post what you learned about the printer port, and what you learned about re-flashing the memories? Also, do you still have a copy of RogBlake's disassembly? I lost mine, but I recall that it had some tags on the functions in page 00. Jim From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: searsz80@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17967 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2004 12:01:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2004 12:01:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2004 12:01:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2004 12:01:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 12:01:57 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "searsz80" Subject: Re: Welcome to hacking the mailstation. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175379185 X-Yahoo-Profile: searsz80 Status: RO Content-Length: 1422 Lines: 45 Hi, Sorry to take so long responding. What I know about the printer port, (and most of the other ports) is in the thread "ms/z80 hacking" at http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=mswhatever&Post=77 There is also info on the banking of the memory, and a pinout for the cpu. Did anybody see this??? As far as the disassembly, I'm not sure how earthlink would feel about it being posted here. Some info on addresses in reflash code is on the other board in the thread "just deals mailstations", as well as rogblakes email address, if he is still using it. I am wondering if it would be better to use that board for discussion, and this one for files/etc??? And as for reflashing, that involves ethical considerations that I am unsure of at this point. I would really like to add functionality, not cut earthlink out of the picture. -- Randy --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "jmareksr" wrote: > --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "searsz80" wrote: > > > So, I made a few test progs, and determined the address and polarity > > of the printer data port bits. > > Would you post what you learned about the printer port, and what you > learned about re-flashing the memories? > > Also, do you still have a copy of RogBlake's disassembly? I lost > mine, but I recall that it had some tags on the functions in page 00. > > Jim From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: searsz80@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16574 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2004 12:50:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2004 12:50:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2004 12:50:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2004 12:50:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 12:50:52 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "searsz80" Subject: Re: Welcome to hacking the mailstation. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175379185 X-Yahoo-Profile: searsz80 Status: RO Content-Length: 380 Lines: 14 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "donhamilton2002" wrote: > If anyone has any technical information t share, please post here and > Ill add it to the files/photos lists. I posted a couple scans of my hardware in the photo section. You can rearrange or delete as you see fit. Would it be better to post files to the list in the future? -- Randy From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: k4rjj@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17269 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2004 07:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2004 07:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2004 07:14:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2004 07:14:07 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 07:14:05 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "Ronny" Subject: Re: What are the ethical risks of hacking the mailstation? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=161069349 X-Yahoo-Profile: k4rjj Status: RO Content-Length: 1237 Lines: 30 The only thing the "Agreement" relates to is use of the service. I see nothing in the paperwork that says "Thou shalt not hack firmware" unless it's using their service unauthorized. Someone please correct me if they see something I missed. --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "jmareksr" wrote: > I can think of two ethical issues related to hacking the ms, one that > I can ignore, and one that I can't. > > 1) I'm sure there was something in the license agreement about not > reverse engineering the ms, but I look on this as a fascinating > puzzle. There may be so much code that I will tire of trying to > understand it before I ever do, but for now, it is a diversion. I > don't have a problem with hacking an obsolete device as a personal > challenge. Should I feel more unethical about this? > > 2) I'm also sure that there are some ms users who know nothing about > computers and are just thrilled to get an email from a dear > friend. I have a big problem with contributing to their frustration > and disillusionment when someone figures out how to craft an email > that will change the ms settings or disable it. Is it possible to > collaborate on a hack and still protect the innocent? > > Jim From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: donhamilton2002@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95354 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2004 21:01:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2004 21:01:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2004 21:01:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2004 21:01:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 21:01:46 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "donhamilton2002" Subject: Re: Welcome to hacking the mailstation. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175336879 X-Yahoo-Profile: donhamilton2002 Status: RO Content-Length: 973 Lines: 31 > And as for reflashing, that involves ethical considerations that I am > unsure of at this point. I would really like to add functionality, > not cut earthlink out of the picture. > I do not think earthlink cares one way or another. The few people here that can hack the hardware, I am sure does not impact their bottom line. Now if someone ever figured out how to externally re-load code, so any non-tech type can reflash their roms. That would be cutting them out. I had always thought the posting about $100 to anyone who can reflash thier MS was posted by someone at earthlink. ( we have a $100 bill for you, just give us your name and address ) I see two dozen people here, and maybe a few hundred on linux-hacker.net, thats just not enough to make/break anyone. The MS devices are not really selling anyway. ( otherwise they would not be giving them away at OfficeMax) But, If some does find a way to reflash their MS. Please post here :-). Hamilton From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: rec3d@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31499 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2004 16:12:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2004 16:12:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2004 16:12:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2004 16:12:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:12:25 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "rec3d" Subject: Connecting a mailstation to send text to a pc throug parallel port X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=176808388 X-Yahoo-Profile: rec3d Status: RO Content-Length: 685 Lines: 17 Hello, I want to use the mailstation to type text and then send it to a pc directly throug its parallel port. This is my idea: Create a new email in the mailstation, then push print button, instead of connecting it to a printer, I thougt connecting it to a pc parallel port with a program that simulates a printer and acquires the text and writes it to a file. Now here is my question: Does anybody know wich pins of the rs-422 on the mailstation have to have a "1" or a "0" to make it believe that it is connected to a printer? Because I tried with many combinations and the mailstation is still saying that the printer is not ready/connected... Any ideas are welcomed. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: k4rjj@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71723 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2004 22:18:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2004 22:18:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc12.comcast.net) (204.127.202.56) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2004 22:18:04 -0000 Received: from CRYSTAL (c-24-99-57-90.atl.client2.attbi.com[24.99.57.90]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004030621165701200fe5ece>; Sat, 6 Mar 2004 21:16:57 +0000 Message-ID: <008201c403bf$af16f250$1108a8c0@CRYSTAL> To: References: Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 16:12:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007F_01C40395.C5DCD150" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.56 From: "Ronny Julian" Reply-To: "Ronny Julian" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Connecting a mailstation to send text to a pc throug parallel port X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=161069349 X-Yahoo-Profile: k4rjj Status: RO Content-Length: 3967 Lines: 134 ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01C40395.C5DCD150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.repairfaq.org/filipg/LINK/PORTS/F_PARALLEL2.html This could hel= p. ----- Original Message ----- From: rec3d To: mailstation@yahoogr= oups.com Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 11:12 AM Subject: [mailstation= ] Connecting a mailstation to send text to a pc throug parallel port He= llo, I want to use the mailstation to type text and then send it to a pc= directly throug its parallel port. 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He wishes to use the display module from a MailStation as part of a homebuilt MP3 in-car player?
 
Neil
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Hello i am from Argentina, my inglish is not very good but I am going to deal with which they understand me.
I am arming a reproducer of MP3 for my car and want to connect display of mailstation to winamp. Somebody has the wiring diagram.
Thanks
Pablo Montes de Oca


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X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46245 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2005 03:46:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2005 03:46:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 03:46:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2005 03:46:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2005 03:46:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 03:46:20 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "ab8kf" Subject: Memory & port maps X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157967598 X-Yahoo-Profile: ab8kf Status: RO Content-Length: 76 Lines: 7 Where can I get all the discovered memory and port maps to date? -Sean From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: donhamilton2002@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69192 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2005 16:01:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2005 16:01:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 16:01:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2005 16:01:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2005 16:01:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:01:12 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "donhamilton2002" Subject: Re: Memory & port maps X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175336879 X-Yahoo-Profile: donhamilton2002 Status: RO Content-Length: 296 Lines: 13 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "ab8kf" wrote: > > Where can I get all the discovered memory and port maps to date? > -Sean http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=mswhatever&Post=77&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=0&Session= From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: donhamilton2002@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92508 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2005 16:08:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2005 16:08:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 16:08:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2005 16:08:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2005 16:08:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:07:59 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002d01c4e6a0$e56df140$6902a8c0@aylen> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "donhamilton2002" Subject: Re: Display Mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175336879 X-Yahoo-Profile: donhamilton2002 Status: RO Content-Length: 491 Lines: 21 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "PM Sistemas de Pablo Montes de Oca" wrote: > Hello i am from Argentina, my inglish is not very good but I am going to deal with which they understand me. > I am arming a reproducer of MP3 for my car and want to connect display of mailstation to winamp. Somebody has the wiring diagram. > Thanks > Pablo Montes de Oca Goto message 38 on this message board. If you get the LCD display working, please post what you did. Thanks From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ab8kf@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14598 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 02:50:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2005 02:50:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51010.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.129) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 02:50:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 69423 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jan 2005 02:50:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=E66UHohweS17A3q6Z/nsSKDwsQyH1BXbWfVGlTx2eJqTflVWk453/d3Jij1jZEbU8iq+7lfYs/HJE4uxEGErbTyY7dyDnaI4366YKpm25KPe/fpHsIqEEibOngcAxB4J0LxSRK4wG0J+nYW277I9ZaJzsvr6j55//y6FhNZvSC8= ; Message-ID: <20050104025026.69421.qmail@...> Received: from [166.70.56.185] by web51010.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:50:26 PST Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:50:26 -0800 (PST) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.129 From: Sean Walton Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Memory & port maps X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157967598 X-Yahoo-Profile: ab8kf Status: RO Content-Length: 6827 Lines: 237 Too bad that more progress was not made. In any case I have several questions regarding these specs: | PORT definitions | P01 = keyboard (in = cols, out = rows) Do we have the keyboard matrix mapping? | P02 = various | .7 = LCD_ON (output) Is this part of a "sleep" mode? | .6 = CALLERID_DATA (input) What is this?? I'm guessing that indicates that caller ID data is waiting...? | .5 = NOT_MODEM_POWER (output) Another part of a "sleep" mode? | .4 = YOUGOTMAIL_LED (output) This is obvious. | .3 = LCD_CAS (output) What is this? | .2 = CALLERID_DATA_RDY (input) ?? Wait... Didn't I see this above... now I'm confused. | .1 = KEYROW_9 (output) ?? | .0 = KEYROW_8 (output) ?? | P03 = software masks for ISRs: in's are interrupt source, out's are masks. | Highest to lowest: | .7 = Caller id handler Ok, I think I understand this one... | .5 = maybe RTC??? Yeah, I understand. Now, I have questions about the Real-Time Clock... | .6 = Modem handler How much do we know about the modem? E.g. does it have a queue? Smartmodem compliant? | .4 = increment time16 ??? What's this?? | .3 = null | .0 = null | .1 = Keyboard handler | .2 = null OK. | P05 = slot4000page holds A14 - A21, for addresses in #4000-7FFF range. | P06 = slot4000device holds A22 - A29, for addresses in #4000-7FFF range. | P07 = slot8000page holds A14 - A21, for addresses in #8000-BFFF range. | P08 = slot8000device holds A22 - A29, for addresses in #8000-BFFF range. |Device codes: | 0 = codeflash (64 pages) | 1 = ram ( 8 pages) | 2 = LCD (right half) ( 1 page ) | 3 = dataflash (32 pages) | 4 = LCD (left half) ( 1 page ) | 5 = modem ( 1 page ) OK, I guessing that the notes "holds A22 - A29" is bogus because of the device codes and should read: P05 = slot4000 page holds A14 - A21, for addresses in #4000-7FFF range. P06 = slot4000 device code for $4000 slot P07 = slot8000 page holds A14 - A21, for addresses in #8000-BFFF range. P08 = slot8000 device code for $8000 slot | P09 = printer control & power detect & power button. | .0 = PRINTER_STROBE (output) | .1 = PRINTER_AUTOFEED (output) | .2 = PRINTER_INIT (output) | .3 = PRINTER_SELECT (output) | .4 = POWERBUTTON (input) | .5 = dc-dc good (input) | .6 = +5V good (input) | .7 = +6V good (input) Clear. | P0A = printer control direction Um... I'm assuming that this is ALWAYS=1111.0000. Input is b=0, output is b=1 (I believe that's the standard for parallel line controllers). | P0D = CPU clock rate control (clock is 8MHz on reset) | #f0=8MHz, #30=10MHz, #00=12MHz. Resets to 8MHz. | (bits: ?X?X.???? bits 6 & 4 defined/known) Has anyone fleshed out the unknown bits? I do find it interesting when devices select their own clock rate: why would anyone want anything but the fastest rate? | P21 = printer status (db25 pins 10,11,12,13,15) Which bits are mapped to which pin? | P28 = various (output) | .0 = modem_reset Ok, I get this. | .1 = 74C74_pin4_via600ohm | .2 = callid_dataclock | .3 = callid_sleep/reset | .4 = callid_FSK/not_DTMF What is all of this? | .5 = ?? | .6 = ?? | .7 = ?? Has anyone done more here? | P2C = printer data direction Um... I'm assuming that P2C.0-7 maps to D0-7. To enable bidirectional PIO, the lines have to be driven 0000.0000 for input and 1111.1111 for output. Does anyone know if this is compatible with APIO/PPI specs. It would be fun to connect a Zip drive. | P2D = printer data (db25 pins 2 - 9) Gotcha. (Of course, I'm assuming that P2D.0-7 => D0-7 | P2F = RTC clock rate control???? Does anyone know the division rate? | There are a few more ports not doc. here. (probably clock/calendar?????) Anyone know what they are? | Just what is a "bank? Is it where memory goes, or the memory that goes there? | As in "there are 2 banks, at #4000 & #8000" versus "there are 64 banks of | codeflash", and "32 banks of dataflash", and "8 banks of ram". Too avoid | confusion, I am calling the chunks of memory "pages", and the places those | chunks are swapped into "slots". I find it too confusing to keep calling them | both banks. | There are 4 slots, of 16k each, at #0000, #4000, #8000, & #C000. | Only slot #4000 & slot #8000 have been observed to be swappable, with | codeflash swapping into #4000, and ram into #8000. Also, it seems everything | except the ram uses #4000 slot. (LCD, dataflash, Modem, caller ID) | slot #0000 is always codeflash page #00 | slot #4000 is codeflash pages #01 to #3f (Or LCD, dataflash, Modem, caller ID) | slot #8000 is ram pages #1 to #7 | slot #C000 is always ram page #00 Okay, I'm cool with the definitions. However, I am unclear about several things: 1) It appears that either the $4000 or the $8000 slot can take a device page. Does this mean that I can map any of the devices to either slot? The slot definitions, above, say 'no'. Therefore, I have to assume that the device selector for $8000 (P08) must always =1 (RAM bank). 2) Is it possible to have both LCD banks visible selected at the same time? (This depends on Q#1 being 'yes'.) 3) The modem is a serial device. Are all but the first byte be undefined? 4) What does the Caller ID data look like? Is it a string? Is it serial and interupt-driven like the modem? | On reset, slot4000 and slot8000 both contain codeflash page 0 (dev 0, pg 0). | I would guess that any device can swap into either slot, but so far the ram | is the only thing to use #8000 slot, and it never goes in the #4000 slot. Okay, one question answered. That means that the monochrome display is fully writable (one can actually write to the full display without paging). | It seems that the #0000 slot always is codeflash page #00, & since pg #00 has | the bank swapping code, this makes sense. There are a lot of low level | routines in this page, too. And if the dataflash and codeflash both swap into | slot #4000, then the only routines to directly access dataflash MUST be in | page 0 of codeflash ... Logical. logical. logical. Slot $0000 appears to be the main manager for the "operating system". | (or copied to ram, as in update mode) Aha! Here's the other goodie. The update mode seems to be running from RAM. So, I have several hypotheses and questions: 1) Is the "update mode" the re-flashing function that SJ was playing with? 2) Has anyone found & isolated this "update mode"? 3) This clearly means that we can execute in other regions than $0000 and $4000 | It stands to reason that slot #C000 is fixed ram page, since it contains the | stack. Everything I have seen says that the #4000 slot is where all the | coderom above #003fff is mapped. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 80764 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 03:16:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2005 03:16:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 03:16:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2005 03:14:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2005 03:14:39 -0000 Date: 4 Jan 2005 03:14:39 -0000 Message-ID: <1104808479.195.84265.w5@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for mailstation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 Status: RO Content-Length: 522 Lines: 30 Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the mailstation group: What is your main purpose in hacking a Mailstation? o Creating an independent POP3 client o Migrating uCLinux/others o Rewriting firmware completely To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/surveys?id=927375 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ab8kf@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85165 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 03:17:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2005 03:17:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 03:17:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2005 03:17:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2005 03:17:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 03:16:57 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "ab8kf" Subject: New Poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157967598 X-Yahoo-Profile: ab8kf Status: RO Content-Length: 166 Lines: 9 I have been hearing different objectives in hacking the MS, and I would like the general consensus. Please place a vote on a poll I created in the group. -Sean From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 801 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 13:33:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2005 13:33:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 13:33:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2005 13:33:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2005 13:33:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 13:33:12 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050104025026.69421.qmail@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Memory & port maps X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 14813 Lines: 468 --- Sean Walton wrote: > Too bad that more progress was not made. Yes. But I'm tryin'. >In any case > I have several questions regarding these specs: When it rains, it pours! :-) > | PORT definitions > | P01 = keyboard (in = cols, out = rows) > Do we have the keyboard matrix mapping? I sketched it on paper, and it is on the "todo list" to type it up. If you really want it, I can post it sooner rather than later. In the meantime, the Matrix is 10 rows by 8 columns. (bet you saw all three movies, and missed that! ;^) 8 of the rows are connected to output port #00, and the other 2 are on output port #02 bits 0 & 1. The 8 columns are read back on input port #00. > | P02 = various > | .7 = LCD_ON (output) > Is this part of a "sleep" mode? I guess so, for just the lcd. The cpu can turn off the power to most of the circuits (including the lcd) in what I would call the sleep mode, but that is separate from this. Also, some parts of the circuit can be powered down independent of the rest (modem for instance). I don't know for sure, but it seems a good guess that turning the lcd off with a low to "LCD_ON" would save power. LCD_ON seems to be an enable for the lcd driver circuits (inside of the lcd). > | .6 = CALLERID_DATA (input) > What is this?? I'm guessing that indicates that > caller ID data is waiting...? Serial data, from the caller id chip, to the cpu. > | .5 = NOT_MODEM_POWER (output) > Another part of a "sleep" mode? This one actually gates the power on/off to the modem circuitry. It seems logical that it would be off to save power whenever you are not using the modem. > | .4 = YOUGOTMAIL_LED (output) > This is obvious. > > | .3 = LCD_CAS (output) > What is this? I am not an expert on lcd's, in fact this mailstation lcd is the first I have really looked at. I looked at several common lcd data sheets, and as I recall this one did not match any of the common ones. Since message 38, I have seen sevearal lcd's that have a command/data pin, and I suppose that could be the real function of this signal (it goes directly to the lcd ribbon cable). But if that is the case, the only command I see the mailstation sending is a "column number". I called it cas (column address select), because it reminded me of how DRAM chips are addressed. But it is probably better to rename it "column register select", because the column number is sent on the data bus (in a seperate write cycle), not on a multiplexed address bus as with DRAM cas. Maybe there *are* other commands besides the column number, and it really *is* "command register select"???? I dunno. > | .2 = CALLERID_DATA_RDY (input) > ?? Wait... Didn't I see this above... now I'm > confused. Above was the actual serial data input, *this* is the handshake that tells the cpu to read that data. > | .1 = KEYROW_9 (output) > ?? > > | .0 = KEYROW_8 (output) > ?? The 2 (of 10) rows that did not fit port #01. > | P03 = software masks for ISRs: in's are interrupt > source, out's are masks. > | Highest to lowest: > | .7 = Caller id handler > Ok, I think I understand this one... > > | .5 = maybe RTC??? > Yeah, I understand. Now, I have questions about the > Real-Time Clock... > > | .6 = Modem handler > How much do we know about the modem? E.g. does it > have a queue? > Smartmodem compliant? I dunno, but I can post the data sheet (if it is not already there???) The handler does implement send and recv queue's in software. > | .4 = increment time16 > ??? What's this?? There are two software timebases, one is a 16 bit value, and the other is 32 bit. The 32 bit one seems to be counting milliseconds, but I don't know what this one is counting (besides the number of times that int 3.4 has happened). The only thing that happens during int 3.4 is this 16 bit counter is incremented. So far, I don't know where this value is used, or what for. > | .3 = null > | .0 = null > | .1 = Keyboard handler > | .2 = null > OK. > > | P05 = slot4000page holds A14 - A21, for addresses in > #4000-7FFF range. > | P06 = slot4000device holds A22 - A29, for addresses > in #4000-7FFF range. > | P07 = slot8000page holds A14 - A21, for addresses in > #8000-BFFF range. > | P08 = slot8000device holds A22 - A29, for addresses > in #8000-BFFF range. > |Device codes: > | 0 = codeflash (64 pages) > | 1 = ram ( 8 pages) > | 2 = LCD (right half) ( 1 page ) > | 3 = dataflash (32 pages) > | 4 = LCD (left half) ( 1 page ) > | 5 = modem ( 1 page ) > OK, I guessing that the notes "holds A22 - A29" is > bogus because of the > device codes and should read: > P05 = slot4000 page holds A14 - A21, for addresses > in #4000-7FFF range. > P06 = slot4000 device code for $4000 slot > P07 = slot8000 page holds A14 - A21, for addresses > in #8000-BFFF range. > P08 = slot8000 device code for $8000 slot A22-29 *is* the device code. Although there are no pins on the cpu for a22-a29, the device reg's can be thought of as holding those bits. I have been using the notation "DDPP:XXXX" for 32 bit mailstation addresses, where DD is one byte of device address (port #06 or #08), PP is one byte of page address (port #05 or #07), and XXXX is two bytes of slot & offset (the z80's idea of the address). The hi two bits of XXXX determine the "slot" (which dev & page registers to use) and the lo 14 bits are the offset in page PP of device DD. (slot0000 and slotC000 don't have writeable device and page registers, AFAICT, they use fixed values, so addresses in these "slots" always refer to fixed pages, with slot0000 always holding page #00 of device #00 and slotC000 always holding page #00 of device #01.) > | P09 = printer control & power detect & power button. > | .0 = PRINTER_STROBE (output) > | .1 = PRINTER_AUTOFEED (output) > | .2 = PRINTER_INIT (output) > | .3 = PRINTER_SELECT (output) > | .4 = POWERBUTTON (input) > | .5 = dc-dc good (input) > | .6 = +5V good (input) > | .7 = +6V good (input) > Clear. > > | P0A = printer control direction > Um... I'm assuming that this is ALWAYS=1111.0000. > Input is b=0, output is b=1 > (I believe that's the standard for parallel line > controllers). The mailstation probably leaves it set that way. Or I should say it sets it that way, and leaves it. I would guess (but have not tried it) that you could set any way you want, in *your* code. > | P0D = CPU clock rate control (clock is 8MHz on > reset) > | #f0=8MHz, #30=10MHz, #00=12MHz. Resets to 8MHz. > | (bits: ?X?X.???? bits 6 & 4 defined/known) > Has anyone fleshed out the unknown bits? Not me. > I do find it interesting when devices select their own > clock rate: why would > anyone want anything but the fastest rate? The power dissipation in CMOS devices is directly proportional to the clock rate. The batteries will last 1.5 times as long at 8 MHz. (But it might take 1.5 times as long to do your calculation!) > | P21 = printer status (db25 pins 10,11,12,13,15) > Which bits are mapped to which pin? P21.7 in - printer status busy (db25.11) P21.6 in - printer status ack (db25.10) P21.5 in - printer status paper end(db25.12) P21.4 in - printer status select (db25.13) P21.3 in - printer status error (db25.15) (The DB25 is a standard parallel port pinout.) > | P28 = various (output) > | .0 = modem_reset > Ok, I get this. > > | .1 = 74C74_pin4_via600ohm > | .2 = callid_dataclock > | .3 = callid_sleep/reset > | .4 = callid_FSK/not_DTMF > What is all of this? I think that 28.0 & 28.1 may be reversed???? P28.0 = connected to pin 4 of the 74c74 ic via a 600 ohm resistor. P28.1 = modem_reset The 74c74 is a dual flip flop, and it gates the power to most of the board (via a transistor). I think pulsing 28.0 will turn the board off. callid_dataclock - the cpu toggles this line, and the callid chip sends one serial bit for each clock. callid_sleep/reset - puts the callid chip in low power sleep mode. callid_FSK/not_DTMF - selects whether the callid chip listens for call id data (freq shift keyed modem-like data) or touch-tones (dual tone multi freq) > | .5 = ?? > | .6 = ?? > | .7 = ?? > Has anyone done more here? I don't know if they are used for anything internal, but I don't think they are brought out to pins on the cpu. > | P2C = printer data direction > Um... I'm assuming that P2C.0-7 maps to D0-7. To > enable bidirectional PIO, > the lines have to be driven 0000.0000 for input and > 1111.1111 for output. Does > anyone know if this is compatible with APIO/PPI specs. Dunno. What are APIO/PPI ? > It would be fun to > connect a Zip drive. > > | P2D = printer data (db25 pins 2 - 9) > Gotcha. (Of course, I'm assuming that P2D.0-7 => D0-7 > > | P2F = RTC clock rate control???? > Does anyone know the division rate? > > | There are a few more ports not doc. here. (probably > clock/calendar?????) > Anyone know what they are? > > | Just what is a "bank? Is it where memory goes, or > the memory that goes there? > | As in "there are 2 banks, at #4000 & #8000" versus > "there are 64 banks of > | codeflash", and "32 banks of dataflash", and "8 > banks of ram". Too avoid > | confusion, I am calling the chunks of memory > "pages", and the places those > | chunks are swapped into "slots". I find it too > confusing to keep calling them > | both banks. > | There are 4 slots, of 16k each, at #0000, #4000, > #8000, & #C000. > | Only slot #4000 & slot #8000 have been observed to > be swappable, with > | codeflash swapping into #4000, and ram into #8000. > Also, it seems everything > | except the ram uses #4000 slot. (LCD, dataflash, > Modem, caller ID) > | slot #0000 is always codeflash page #00 > | slot #4000 is codeflash pages #01 to #3f (Or LCD, > dataflash, Modem, caller ID) > | slot #8000 is ram pages #1 to #7 > | slot #C000 is always ram page #00 > Okay, I'm cool with the definitions. However, I am > unclear about several > things: > 1) It appears that either the $4000 or the $8000 slot > can take a device > page. Does this mean that I can map any of the > devices to either slot? > The slot definitions, above, say 'no'. Therefore, I > have to assume that > the device selector for $8000 (P08) must always =1 > (RAM bank). The description above is just how the mailstation code is using the hardware. I have verified that the coderom can be mapped to slot8000, and also that ram can be mapped to slot4000. I assume that any device can go in either slot, but I only tested those. > 2) Is it possible to have both LCD banks visible > selected at the same > time? (This depends on Q#1 being 'yes'.) Both lcd banks are visible all the time, they are the right and left halfs of the screen. The cpu can only access one half at a time, though. In fact, the cpu can only access one byte (one row, of one column, of one half the screen) at a time. Each row is mapped to a different address in the cpu's address space. Changing columns within a half requires sending a new column number to that column register thingy. And changing halfs requires outputing a device number to the appropriate device register. > 3) The modem is a serial device. Are all but the > first byte be undefined? The modem interface to the cpu is parallel, one byte at a time (the uart is inside the modem chip). When the modem is banked in, the 8 modem registers are mapped to the first 8 bytes of whichever slot it is in (probably mirrored throughout) The mailstation code puts the modem into slot4000. So, with the modem in slot 4000, the recv data is read from memory address #4000, and send data is written to that address. #4001-4007 are the status and control registers. > 4) What does the Caller ID data look like? Is it a > string? Dunno. > Is it serial > and interupt-driven like the modem? Yes. Yes. > | On reset, slot4000 and slot8000 both contain > codeflash page 0 (dev 0, pg 0). > | I would guess that any device can swap into either > slot, but so far the ram > | is the only thing to use #8000 slot, and it never > goes in the #4000 slot. > Okay, one question answered. That means that the > monochrome display is fully > writable (one can actually write to the full display > without paging). You mean by putting one half in slot4000 and the other half in slot8000?????? I suppose you could do that, but you would still have to deal with the column addresses. IOW, you cannot map all the screen pixels into memory at the same time. You possibly could map one column from first half and one column from the second half at the same time. (Each column is a byte wide x 128 bytes high. And each half screen is 20 columns wide.) The mailstation handles this nastiness by using a screen buffer in ram (in fixed slotC000). All drawing is done in this buffer, which *is* a block of bits representing the whole 320 x 128 pixel screen. There are text, line, and icon drawing routines. And after a whole screen is drawn another routine copies the whole mess over to the actual lcd. Half the screen at a time. One column of each half at a time. One byte of each column at a time. > | It seems that the #0000 slot always is codeflash > page #00, & since pg #00 has > | the bank swapping code, this makes sense. There are > a lot of low level > | routines in this page, too. And if the dataflash and > codeflash both swap into > | slot #4000, then the only routines to directly > access dataflash MUST be in > | page 0 of codeflash ... > Logical. logical. logical. > Slot $0000 appears to be the main manager for the > "operating system". Those above referenced drawing routines are there, too! > | (or copied to ram, as in update mode) > Aha! Here's the other goodie. The update mode seems > to be running from RAM. Yes. > So, I have several hypotheses and questions: > 1) Is the "update mode" the re-flashing function that > SJ was playing with? Yes. > 2) Has anyone found & isolated this "update mode"? Yes. The protocol was described in message 92 and code to interface posted in the files section (mesg 85 + 86). > 3) This clearly means that we can execute in other > regions than $0000 and $4000 Yes, it is just that the mailstation code is assembled/linked to run in those slots. Your code can run wherever you like. > | It stands to reason that slot #C000 is fixed ram > page, since it contains the > | stack. Everything I have seen says that the #4000 > slot is where all the > | coderom above #003fff is mapped. My code is still not ready for prime time, but I expect too post a "beta" version "real soon now". I tried it out under win XP, and it does not work. :-( There is also a nasty tendency for the mailstation flash to be erased if you leave the laplink cable attached while rebooting the pc. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ab8kf@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32311 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 16:51:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2005 16:51:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51007.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.138) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 16:51:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 20769 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jan 2005 16:51:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=vLJMzXEUW2DmumwGrn4HzL45yNEwRTNr90oNGcEImZ3yvDumLiRo+GvcN7Xrycguts7sE0mtau1vfiIktlrxLh8yUoGvf+4adeg4itmV/sFqNA9jr6ougdt5fsypmX5s/SfBKPnJ5HNmKl4FtDcOmrMG3AF1PKgO7J+laHPo/p4= ; Message-ID: <20050104165122.20767.qmail@...> Received: from [166.70.56.185] by web51007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 08:51:22 PST Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 08:51:22 -0800 (PST) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.38.138 From: Sean Walton Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Memory & port maps X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157967598 X-Yahoo-Profile: ab8kf Status: RO Content-Length: 7308 Lines: 239 If it isn't obvious, I'm trying to write a firmware specification. | > | PORT definitions | > | P01 = keyboard (in = cols, out = rows) | > Do we have the keyboard matrix mapping? | | I sketched it on paper, and it is on the "todo list" | to type it up. If you really want it, I can post it | sooner rather than later. If you could scan the sketch and email it, I will formalize it. | > | P03.3 = LCD_CAS (output) | > What is this? | | I am not an expert on lcd's, in fact this mailstation | lcd is the first I have really looked at. I looked | at several common lcd data sheets, and as I recall | this one did not match any of the common ones. | Since message 38, I have seen sevearal lcd's | that have a command/data pin, and I suppose | that could be the real function of this signal | (it goes directly to the lcd ribbon cable). But | if that is the case, the only command I see | the mailstation sending is a "column number". | I called it cas (column address select), because | it reminded me of how DRAM chips are addressed. | But it is probably better to rename it "column register select", | because the column number is sent on the data | bus (in a seperate write cycle), not on a | multiplexed address bus as with DRAM cas. | Maybe there *are* other commands | besides the column number, and it really *is* | "command register select"???? I dunno. Ok, I can understand this... However, this is a bit-wide: So, the column must be selected serially. How long is the column address and where is the clock port? | > | .5 = maybe RTC??? | > Yeah, I understand. Now, I have questions about the | > Real-Time Clock... Do we have any information about the RTC? | > | .6 = Modem handler | > How much do we know about the modem? E.g. does it | > have a queue? | > Smartmodem compliant? | | I dunno, but I can post the data sheet | (if it is not already there???) | The handler does implement send and recv queue's in software. I don't recall seeing the document. I think that we need to place the significant documents like this in the /files folder. | > | .4 = increment time16 | > ??? What's this?? | | There are two software timebases, one is a 16 bit | value, and the other is 32 bit. The 32 bit one | seems to be counting milliseconds, but I don't | know what this one is counting (besides the | number of times that int 3.4 has happened). | The only thing that happens during | int 3.4 is this 16 bit counter is incremented. | So far, I don't know where this value is used, | or what for. What are the port #s for these two counters? | > P06 = slot4000 device code for $4000 slot | > P07 = slot8000 page holds A14 - A21, for addresses | > in #8000-BFFF range. | > P08 = slot8000 device code for $8000 slot | | A22-29 *is* the device code. I think that we are picking nits on semantics. According to the 3SI176 pinout, pin #26-32 appear to be a port with each pin assigned to each device. You know the code better than anyone else -- when selecting a device is it a bitset or is the pinout inaccurate? | > I do find it interesting when devices select their own | > clock rate: why would | > anyone want anything but the fastest rate? | | The power dissipation in CMOS devices is directly | proportional to the clock rate. The batteries | will last 1.5 times as long at 8 MHz. (But it might take | 1.5 times as long to do your calculation!) Excellent point. I believe that power consumption is nonlinear: the faster you go the power increases nonlinearly. So, keeping things slow is a "good thing." | > | P28 = various (output) | > | .0 = modem_reset | > Ok, I get this. | > | > | .1 = 74C74_pin4_via600ohm | > | .2 = callid_dataclock | > | .3 = callid_sleep/reset | > | .4 = callid_FSK/not_DTMF | > What is all of this? | | I think that 28.0 & 28.1 may be reversed???? Once again, I was using collected information I could find. You know the code far better than I do. I have made the change. | P28.0 = connected to pin 4 of the 74c74 ic via a 600 ohm resistor. | P28.1 = modem_reset | | The 74c74 is a dual flip flop, and it gates | the power to most of the board (via a transistor). | I think pulsing 28.0 will turn the board off. Does the board turn itself "on" through the hardware? | > | P2C = printer data direction | > Um... I'm assuming that P2C.0-7 maps to D0-7. To | > enable bidirectional PIO, | > the lines have to be driven 0000.0000 for input and | > 1111.1111 for output. Does | > anyone know if this is compatible with APIO/PPI specs. | | Dunno. What are APIO/PPI ? APIO = Advanced Parallel I/O PPI should be ECP/EPP (sorry) It may actually work... You stated that you can reprogram the MS using the parallel port. Do you manage to do bidirectional communication to-from the PC/MS? | > 2) Is it possible to have both LCD banks visible | > selected at the same | > time? (This depends on Q#1 being 'yes'.) | | Both lcd banks are visible all the time, they | are the right and left halfs of the screen. Sorry, I should have been more clear: I meant "visible to the firmware code." | Each row is mapped to a different address in the cpu's | address space. Changing columns within a half requires | sending a new column number to that column register thingy. | And changing halfs requires outputing a device number to | the appropriate device register. | I suppose you could do that, but you would still have to deal | with the column addresses. IOW, you cannot map all the | screen pixels into memory at the same time. You possibly could | map one column from first half and one column from | the second half at the same time. | (Each column is a byte wide x 128 bytes high. And each half screen | is 20 columns wide.) | | The mailstation handles this nastiness by using a screen | buffer in ram (in fixed slotC000). All drawing is done | in this buffer, which *is* a block of bits representing the | whole 320 x 128 pixel screen. There are text, line, and icon | drawing routines. | | And after a whole screen is drawn another routine | copies the whole mess over to the actual lcd. | Half the screen at a time. | One column of each half at a time. | One byte of each column at a time. Please help me, I need more clarification. I believe that you are implying that each byte represents a pixel on the display -- is that true? If so, the screen has its own memory of 320x128x8 (or ~40KB). It's also possible that the display grays. Could you explain in more detail exactly how a block of bits are written to the display? | > 2) Has anyone found & isolated this "update mode"? | | Yes. The protocol was described in message 92 | and code to interface posted in the files section (mesg 85 + 86). I will look at those messages -- this is a major step and kudos to you! | My code is still not ready for prime time, but I expect | too post a "beta" version "real soon now". I tried it out | under win XP, and it does not work. :-( Still, I think that you have made some mjor progress! | There is also a nasty tendency for the mailstation flash to be erased | if you leave the laplink cable attached while rebooting the pc. eeek! -Sean __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83285 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 17:58:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2005 17:58:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.220) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 17:58:39 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.174.55]) by priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050104175835.NBRD28899.priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:58:35 -0700 Message-ID: <008401c4f287$01cdfc80$37ae74ce@...> To: References: <1104808479.195.84265.w5@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:54:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 199.185.220.220 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] New poll for mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 445 Lines: 24 Poll is too restrictive. I want to 1) Be able to set up any MailStation for any ISP 2) Convert the MailStation into a Super Tandy Model 100 laptop with Basic programming and other software. 3) ??? Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: > What is your main purpose in hacking a > Mailstation? > > o Creating an independent POP3 client > o Migrating uCLinux/others > o Rewriting firmware completely From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27027 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 17:58:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2005 17:58:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.220) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 17:58:43 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.174.55]) by priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050104175840.NBWB28899.priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:58:40 -0700 Message-ID: <008501c4f287$04a75b40$37ae74ce@...> To: References: Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:55:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 199.185.220.220 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Memory & port maps X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 464 Lines: 22 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cyrano Jones" > --- Sean Walton wrote: > > Too bad that more progress was not made. ... > > | P02 = various > > | .7 = LCD_ON (output) > > Is this part of a "sleep" mode? > > I guess so, for just the lcd. There is good reason for this. LCDs tend to be slow to update, so it's better to do some things with it off in some cases. They may not use this, but you never know. Regards, Neil Morrison From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ab8kf@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55371 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 18:04:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2005 18:04:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51008.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.139) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 18:04:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 20894 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jan 2005 18:04:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=hbvx39VwltnzPr9pnVBxZHSZcqUB3mLaR2eO6Vk1ntH528Ix/9nMG0P+nnzrUbv3nUJSHiLPPJKRtcrZQINN8MHRKS4yshCHoGN6hHprkb4OP5F6sKhc/o2aamWWpztmjr0YQ2LdxHWAjYj3wyuwxqb/QD8aHBSgjWirdMeJdqk= ; Message-ID: <20050104180451.20892.qmail@...> Received: from [166.70.56.185] by web51008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 10:04:51 PST Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:04:51 -0800 (PST) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <008401c4f287$01cdfc80$37ae74ce@...> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.38.139 From: Sean Walton Subject: Re: [mailstation] New poll for mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157967598 X-Yahoo-Profile: ab8kf Status: RO Content-Length: 890 Lines: 42 I hoped that my items would be clear enough. Actually, your #1 matches my #1, and your #2 matches my numbers #2 and #3. I wanted to be very specific, and maybe that lost some of the meaning. Does that help? -Sean --- Neil Morrison wrote: > > Poll is too restrictive. I want to > > 1) Be able to set up any MailStation for any ISP > > 2) Convert the MailStation into a Super Tandy Model > 100 laptop with Basic > programming and other software. > > 3) ??? > > Neil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > > What is your main purpose in hacking a > > Mailstation? > > > > o Creating an independent POP3 client > > o Migrating uCLinux/others > > o Rewriting firmware completely > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page � Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ab8kf@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61234 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 18:07:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2005 18:07:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51009.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.128) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 18:07:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 88596 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jan 2005 18:07:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=rsGt1l9gBUEzEPn1e9rTbfIXchVZcLA+UPMXlMGw2pK19+XwQ76K3rWoFrKpFXn/xgJqrYSgI+uKbPwXs1mmyQjPsG31/zalHZLz9GiIE0w9trSiCpF8yGqx/RDX5HLmN7g33xru2t0uZxcyez0ilg/S9Q88Pc7ZpGFD7gClZCw= ; Message-ID: <20050104180701.88594.qmail@...> Received: from [166.70.56.185] by web51009.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 10:07:01 PST Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:07:01 -0800 (PST) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <008501c4f287$04a75b40$37ae74ce@...> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.128 From: Sean Walton Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Memory & port maps X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157967598 X-Yahoo-Profile: ab8kf Status: RO Content-Length: 812 Lines: 39 Really? That jives with CJ's statement implying that the LCD has its own memory. Good comment! -Sean --- Neil Morrison wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cyrano Jones" > > > --- Sean Walton wrote: > > > Too bad that more progress was not made. > ... > > > | P02 = various > > > | .7 = LCD_ON (output) > > > Is this part of a "sleep" mode? > > > > I guess so, for just the lcd. > > There is good reason for this. LCDs tend to be slow > to update, so it's > better to do some things with it off in some cases. > They may not use this, > but you never know. > > Regards, > > Neil Morrison > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74416 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 18:31:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2005 18:31:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.223) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 18:31:36 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.174.55]) by priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050104182950.MYDC27214.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:29:50 -0700 Message-ID: <00a501c4f28b$5fe90860$37ae74ce@...> To: References: <20050104180701.88594.qmail@...> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:27:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 199.185.220.223 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Memory & port maps X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 388 Lines: 17 I have a lot of experience with the Tandy Model 100 and they are very slow to scroll etc. so it's normal to find ways around this. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Walton" > Really? That jives with CJ's statement implying that > the LCD has its own memory. Good comment! > -Sean > > There is good reason for this. LCDs tend to be slow > > to update ... From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51442 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 19:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2005 19:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.223) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 19:11:22 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.174.55]) by priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050104191120.PRTS27214.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:11:20 -0700 Message-ID: <00eb01c4f291$2c527e40$37ae74ce@...> To: References: <20050104180451.20892.qmail@...> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:07:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 199.185.220.223 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] New poll for mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 468 Lines: 20 I guess. I have a couple of the Yahoo ones which are fine as is, and a couple of the later ones that are locked to Earthlink which need to be hacked. Regards, Neil Morrison ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Walton" > I hoped that my items would be clear enough. > Actually, your #1 matches my #1, and your #2 matches > my numbers #2 and #3. I wanted to be very specific, > and maybe that lost some of the meaning. > Does that help? > -Sean From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8505 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 07:45:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2005 07:45:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 07:45:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 07:44:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 07:44:51 -0000 Date: 5 Jan 2005 07:44:49 -0000 Message-ID: <1104911089.11987.3395.w32@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to mailstation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 Status: RO Content-Length: 591 Lines: 29 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the mailstation group. File : /part files/mailstation_modemchip_1105r1.pdf Uploaded by : cyranojones_lalp Description : Modem Datasheet You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/files/part%20files/mailstation_modemchip_1105r1.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, cyranojones_lalp From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8458 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 15:19:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2005 15:19:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 15:19:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2005 15:19:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2005 15:19:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:19:19 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050104165122.20767.qmail@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Memory & port maps X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 4773 Lines: 170 --- Sean Walton wrote: > If it isn't obvious, I'm trying to write a firmware > specification. Sounds interesting. By firmware spec, do you mean essentially a datasheet for the mailstation hardware? > | > | PORT definitions > | > | P01 = keyboard (in = cols, out = rows) > | > Do we have the keyboard matrix mapping? > | > | I sketched it on paper, and it is on the "todo list" > | to type it up. If you really want it, I can post it > | sooner rather than later. > If you could scan the sketch and email it, I will > formalize it. I typed it and uploaded to file section. Also another modem datasheet, and a revised verion of my lcd data. [blah blah, lcd, blah....] > Ok, I can understand this... However, this is a > bit-wide: So, > the column must be selected serially. How long is the > column > address and where is the clock port? The lcd interface is byte wide. Column numbers are sent as bytes. And pixel data is sent 8 pixels per byte. The columns are 8 pixels wide by 128 pixels high. 2 halfs x 20 columns/half x 8 pixels/column = 320 pixel wide screen. [...blah, rtc, blah...] > Do we have any information about the RTC? I'm pretty sure that i/o ports #10 thru #1F are for the rtc. The date & time digits are #10-#1C, and the last 3 are some sort of control. [...modem...] > I don't recall seeing the document. I think that we > need to > place the significant documents like this in the > /files folder. done. I skimmed thru it again, and it would seem that the modem in the ms is capable of controling a speakerphone, and the interfacing to a headset, too. Hmmmm. > | > | .4 = increment time16 > | > ??? What's this?? > | > | There are two software timebases, one is a 16 bit > | value, and the other is 32 bit. The 32 bit one > | seems to be counting milliseconds, but I don't > | know what this one is counting (besides the > | number of times that int 3.4 has happened). > | The only thing that happens during > | int 3.4 is this 16 bit counter is incremented. > | So far, I don't know where this value is used, > | or what for. > What are the port #s for these two counters? No ports, they are in ram. > > | > P06 = slot4000 device code for $4000 slot > | > P07 = slot8000 page holds A14 - A21, for > addresses > | > in #8000-BFFF range. > | > P08 = slot8000 device code for $8000 slot > | > | A22-29 *is* the device code. > I think that we are picking nits on semantics. > According to the 3SI176 pinout, pin #26-32 appear to > be > a port with each pin assigned to each device. You > know > the code better than anyone else -- when selecting a > device is it a bitset or is the pinout inaccurate? On the software side, it is the binary address. To select device 5 (the modem), the device register holds "0000 0101" You are correct that the device bits are decoded internally to a "1 of 7", and the device address bits never make it outside the cpu. And it is impossible to add even an 8th device, coz the whole device reg & decoder is buried in the chip. (There is one device select unused and available for expansion purposes, device 6). [......................] > | I think pulsing 28.0 will turn the board off. > Does the board turn itself "on" through the hardware? Yes, but not with that same signal. It can wake itself up at a set time, and download mail. And as far as I can tell, the cpu is sleeping, or off, before wakeup. So it can't wake itself up with a i/o bit. It must be a timer, likely part of the rtc. [....] > | Dunno. What are APIO/PPI ? > APIO = Advanced Parallel I/O > PPI should be ECP/EPP (sorry) My hunch is that it is just a matter of writing the software. The data pins on the parport are capable of bidir communication. > It may actually work... You stated that you can > reprogram > the MS using the parallel port. Do you manage to do > bidirectional communication to-from the PC/MS? Yes, but the ms update code uses a "laplink" type of protocol. It requires the minimum in parports, and will work with even the oldest par ports. It does not use real bidir capability, it receives 5 bits at a time using the status lines as inputs. [.................................................] > Please help me, I need more clarification. > I believe that you are implying that each byte > represents a pixel on > the display -- is that true? each byte is 8 horizontal pixels. > If so, the screen has > its own memory > of 320x128x8 (or ~40KB). It does have its own memory. (2 halfs x 20 cols x 128 rows x 8 pixels). > It's also possible that the > display grays. no. > Could you explain in more detail exactly how a block > of bits are > written to the display? check the revised lcd data in file section, under "part files". [.........] -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ab8kf@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55677 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 22:54:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2005 22:54:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51007.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.138) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 22:54:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 91832 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jan 2005 22:54:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=RuNRRuyYeqxZTRtkTROTRZqHXMEssUhDg/gXgvmfN542gSHfPlVlkUoNG2+JrkW8GgG9Qag3lMpJ6sTDfL8ZoL+4AhyFUmdqjsSZTqnRfUcgjKDIe3j51geK5AbojPSNq4XfTLIv+TyER6w65MPICXsS+3qFu/zlR60R23v+75c= ; Message-ID: <20050106225424.91830.qmail@...> Received: from [166.70.56.185] by web51007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 14:54:24 PST Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:54:24 -0800 (PST) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.38.138 From: Sean Walton Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Memory & port maps X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157967598 X-Yahoo-Profile: ab8kf Status: RO Content-Length: 1341 Lines: 53 > --- Sean Walton wrote: > > If it isn't obvious, I'm trying to write a > firmware > > specification. > > Sounds interesting. By firmware spec, do you mean > essentially a datasheet for the mailstation > hardware? Essentially, yes. A firmware specification does define all the hardware elements in an embedded system, but it goes further to describe the: -Support devices and their programming +flash devices +RTC +display +modem +keyboard +parallel port +caller ID +LEDs +power modes -Interrupt subsystem +priorities +masking +stacking -Paging mechanisms and rules +slots & pages -Ports -- their meaning and programming +...? -Clocking: RTC and clock interrupts (if they exist) +timers +wake-ups +MM/DD/YYYY HH:MM:SS.mmm Many of the items above are still in flux, but I could gather what we know right now into a useful programmers document. I would like to get to the point of being able to completely reprogram the MS with my own OS and programming language(s). This is the first step in that direction. That is the reason I put that poll up -- I wanted to see if publishing this would be useful to more than myself alone. -Sean __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26643 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 23:13:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2005 23:13:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail4.speakeasy.net) (216.254.0.204) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 23:13:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 1797 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 23:13:53 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail4.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 6 Jan 2005 23:13:53 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20050106225424.91830.qmail@...> References: <20050106225424.91830.qmail@...> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Message-Id: <1105053278.15654.257.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:14:38 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.254.0.204 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Memory & port maps X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 726 Lines: 22 Sean, Useful, certainly, but most of us can get along with an I/O map, memory map and the datasheets, so if I were you I wouldn't put too much effort into polished engineering documentation. Just the essentials will suffice for those who will be writing code. Where hard questions come up, one just disassembles the original firmware. Maybe better just to start hacking and document peculiarities as you go? I always figured the linux-hacker stuff looked sufficient to start getting code up and running. It certainly helped point the way to the native reflash code. (CJ -- I haven't forgotten about porting/testing the reflash code, alas I am just swamped with end-of-year bookkeeping stuff at the moment...) -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 32586 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2005 03:10:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2005 03:10:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2005 03:10:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2005 03:10:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2005 03:10:50 -0000 Date: 14 Jan 2005 03:10:49 -0000 Message-ID: <1105672249.112.30416.w37@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: polls X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: Poll results for mailstation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 Status: RO Content-Length: 515 Lines: 30 The following mailstation poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: What is your main purpose in hacking a Mailstation? CHOICES AND RESULTS - Creating an independent POP3 client, 3 votes, 30.00% - Migrating uCLinux/others, 1 votes, 10.00% - Rewriting firmware completely, 6 votes, 60.00% For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ygator@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61436 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2005 21:56:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2005 21:56:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2005 21:56:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2005 21:55:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2005 21:55:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:54:58 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "ygator" Subject: Some files have been posted to DET1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63329770 X-Yahoo-Profile: ygator Status: RO Content-Length: 6 Lines: 6 From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ygator@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96281 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2005 06:17:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2005 06:17:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2005 06:17:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2005 06:17:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2005 06:17:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:17:19 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "ygator" Subject: Is there a way to setup more than one user? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63329770 X-Yahoo-Profile: ygator Status: RO Content-Length: 387 Lines: 18 I am able to do the Shift-FN-T trick during power on to setup one user. Is there any way to setup more via a similar method? I was too late for the poll, but for starters I would like to: 1) Be able to flash the device with new firmware 2) Modify firmware to unlock all User settings 3) Modify firmware to allow more than one user 4) Reflash unit with the two changes above From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25132 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2005 06:54:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2005 06:54:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.220) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2005 06:54:25 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.174.55]) by priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050128065425.ZFTC21196.priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:54:25 -0700 Message-ID: <004c01c50506$3399fe80$37ae74ce@...> To: References: Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:47:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 199.185.220.220 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Is there a way to setup more than one user? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 284 Lines: 16 Which model do you have? Surprised you can't set up 5 users. Regards, Neil Morrison ----- Original Message ----- From: "ygator" > I am able to do the Shift-FN-T trick during power on to setup one > user. Is there any way to setup more via a similar method? .. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: smokyiii@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72517 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2005 15:56:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2005 15:56:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2005 15:56:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2005 15:55:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2005 15:55:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:55:41 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: smokyiii@... Subject: MyCIDCO Info Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113923859 X-Yahoo-Profile: smokyiii Status: RO Content-Length: 376 Lines: 13 Has anyone been able to make use of the MyCIDCO Info part of a stock mailstation? I have mine set up to receive my POP3 e-mail just fine, but it would also be nice to be able to use the Info part. Would it be possible for me to set up a website so my mailstation can go out and get the weather, news, etc. just like it would if hooked to Earthlink? If so, how? Thanks! From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: k4rjj@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25041 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2005 16:41:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2005 16:41:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc12.comcast.net) (216.148.227.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2005 16:41:45 -0000 Received: from [172.31.1.173] (unknown[12.36.158.239]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with ESMTP id <20050129160138014002k5ape>; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:01:38 +0000 Message-ID: <41FBB487.6070708@...> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:06:31 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.148.227.85 From: Ronny Julian Subject: Re: [mailstation] MyCIDCO Info Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=161069349 X-Yahoo-Profile: k4rjj Status: RO Content-Length: 822 Lines: 39 What mailstation do you have? Thats been the $64000 question I've had all along is how to spoof this thing into going to another POP3 server. Does anyone want to buy 1 or 2 blue Mailstations as new? One is new in box. Neither has been registered. I just won one of the older ones that will fill my needs better. Offers? Trades? Audreys? Model 100s? smokyiii@... wrote: >Has anyone been able to make use of the MyCIDCO Info part of a stock >mailstation? I have mine set up to receive my POP3 e-mail just fine, >but it would also be nice to be able to use the Info part. Would it be >possible for me to set up a website so my mailstation can go out and >get the weather, news, etc. just like it would if hooked to Earthlink? >If so, how? > >Thanks! > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: smokyiii@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35336 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2005 19:28:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2005 19:28:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2005 19:28:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2005 19:28:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2005 19:28:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:28:34 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <41FBB487.6070708@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: smokyiii@... Subject: Re: MyCIDCO Info Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113923859 X-Yahoo-Profile: smokyiii Status: RO Content-Length: 1278 Lines: 36 Hi Ronny, I have the Mivo 350 Cordless V.1.35 (black). I received mine yesterday, went into setup, deleted out the previous user's info and was able to change everything. I am wanting it for my mother who wants something simple just for e-mail. (My father has an ISP for business, so she has her own POP3 e-mail account.) She's now using a 3com Audrey which I fixed for her. Problem is that Audrey is very bad about dialing up, getting e-mail, but not hanging up in a timely manner. (This Mailstation dials, gets e-mail, then hangs up immediately!) I just thought it would also be nice to be able to give her a little bonus with the MyCIDCO Info stuff. I have been to www.linux-hacker.net and wasn't able to find anything about MyCIDCO. There was a lot of info on going to another POP3 and much other type of hacking. --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, Ronny Julian wrote: > What mailstation do you have? Thats been the $64000 question I've had > all along is how to spoof this thing into going to another POP3 server. > > Does anyone want to buy 1 or 2 blue Mailstations as new? One is new in > box. Neither has been registered. I just won one of the older ones > that will fill my needs better. > > Offers? Trades? Audreys? Model 100s? From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: k4rjj@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59494 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2005 20:51:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2005 20:51:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc13.comcast.net) (204.127.202.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2005 20:51:14 -0000 Received: from [172.31.1.173] (unknown[12.36.158.239]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with ESMTP id <2005012920360801600gjhh0e>; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:36:08 +0000 Message-ID: <41FBF4DE.307@...> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:41:02 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.64 From: Ronny Julian Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: MyCIDCO Info Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=161069349 X-Yahoo-Profile: k4rjj Status: RO Content-Length: 1710 Lines: 79 Unfortunatley I bought two of the "Blue" ones. These are locked down to the Earthlink servers. I really don't think it's possible yet to reflash it. I bought one off eBay that is the non wireless version I think will work for what I wanted to do. smokyiii@... wrote: >Hi Ronny, >I have the Mivo 350 Cordless V.1.35 (black). I received mine >yesterday, went into setup, deleted out the previous user's info and >was able to change everything. I am wanting it for my mother who >wants something simple just for e-mail. (My father has an ISP for >business, so she has her own POP3 e-mail account.) She's now using a >3com Audrey which I fixed for her. Problem is that Audrey is very bad >about dialing up, getting e-mail, but not hanging up in a timely >manner. (This Mailstation dials, gets e-mail, then hangs up >immediately!) > >I just thought it would also be nice to be able to give her a little >bonus with the MyCIDCO Info stuff. I have been to >www.linux-hacker.net and wasn't able to find anything about MyCIDCO. >There was a lot of info on going to another POP3 and much other type >of hacking. > > >--- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, Ronny Julian wrote: > > >>What mailstation do you have? Thats been the $64000 question I've >> >> >had > > >>all along is how to spoof this thing into going to another POP3 >> >> >server. > > >>Does anyone want to buy 1 or 2 blue Mailstations as new? One is >> >> >new in > > >>box. Neither has been registered. I just won one of the older >> >> >ones > > >>that will fill my needs better. >> >>Offers? Trades? Audreys? Model 100s? >> >> > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76156 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2005 23:28:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2005 23:28:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.220) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2005 23:28:07 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.174.55]) by priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050129232421.DNJK6285.priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:24:21 -0700 Message-ID: <005001c50659$a86d0460$37ae74ce@...> To: References: <41FBF4DE.307@...> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:18:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 199.185.220.220 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] MyCIDCO Info Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 689 Lines: 19 I can't give you a guarantee BUT, experience teaches me that all of these units from the Mivo 100 and up will reflash with the same hardware and possibly the same software. Why re-invent the wheel? So once that's cracked, they'll all be open. Early investigation shows that there is plenty of ROM space unused - enough for a Basic interpreter for example. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronny Julian" > Unfortunatley I bought two of the "Blue" ones. These are locked down to > the Earthlink servers. I really don't think it's possible yet to > reflash it. I bought one off eBay that is the non wireless version I > think will work for what I wanted to do. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: k4rjj@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76247 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2005 02:12:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2005 02:12:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc13.comcast.net) (204.127.198.39) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2005 02:12:49 -0000 Received: from [172.31.1.173] (unknown[12.36.158.239]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with ESMTP id <20050129233844015008r21ie>; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:38:44 +0000 Message-ID: <41FC1FAA.50900@...> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:43:38 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com References: <41FBF4DE.307@...> <005001c50659$a86d0460$37ae74ce@...> In-Reply-To: <005001c50659$a86d0460$37ae74ce@...> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.198.39 From: Ronny Julian Subject: Re: [mailstation] MyCIDCO Info Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=161069349 X-Yahoo-Profile: k4rjj Status: RO Content-Length: 886 Lines: 44 How would that be done? What other equipment would I have to get to reflash one of these? Neil Morrison wrote: >I can't give you a guarantee BUT, experience teaches me that all of these >units from the Mivo 100 and up will reflash with the same hardware and >possibly the same software. Why re-invent the wheel? So once that's cracked, >they'll all be open. Early investigation shows that there is plenty of ROM >space unused - enough for a Basic interpreter for example. > >Neil > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ronny Julian" > > > >>Unfortunatley I bought two of the "Blue" ones. These are locked down to >>the Earthlink servers. I really don't think it's possible yet to >>reflash it. I bought one off eBay that is the non wireless version I >>think will work for what I wanted to do. >> >> > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34430 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2005 03:45:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2005 03:45:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.223) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2005 03:45:08 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.174.55]) by priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050130034507.WVPZ19877.priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:45:07 -0700 Message-ID: <015d01c5067e$16f79f20$37ae74ce@...> To: References: <41FBF4DE.307@...> <005001c50659$a86d0460$37ae74ce@...> <41FC1FAA.50900@...> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:45:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 199.185.220.223 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] MyCIDCO Info Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 499 Lines: 17 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronny Julian" > How would that be done? What other equipment would I have to get to > reflash one of these? Someone is going to figure this out an build a reflash station. But it'll be someone with in depth knowledge of electronics and Z-80 code. Once he does this, you'll all be sending your Mailstations in to be 'fixed'. I want to convert mine into a sort of super Radio Shack model 100 computer. This is not a job to do-it-yourself. Neil From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35635 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2005 05:11:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2005 05:11:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail25.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.27) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2005 05:11:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 19174 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2005 05:11:21 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail25.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 30 Jan 2005 05:11:20 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <015d01c5067e$16f79f20$37ae74ce@...> References: <41FBF4DE.307@...> <005001c50659$a86d0460$37ae74ce@...> <41FC1FAA.50900@...> <015d01c5067e$16f79f20$37ae74ce@...> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Message-Id: <1107061950.15218.561.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:12:30 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 69.17.117.27 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] MyCIDCO Info Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 1137 Lines: 33 On Sat, 2005-01-29 at 19:45, Neil Morrison wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ronny Julian" > > > How would that be done? What other equipment would I have to get to > > reflash one of these? > > Someone is going to figure this out an build a reflash station. But > it'll be > someone with in depth knowledge of electronics and Z-80 code. Once he > does > this, you'll all be sending your Mailstations in to be 'fixed'. I want > to > convert mine into a sort of super Radio Shack model 100 computer. > > This is not a job to do-it-yourself. Actually, I saw a special test clip for the TSOP flash parts like those in the Mailstation a few months back, I may be able to dig up the link. Just solder some wires and connect it to a programmer properly, I think you would be set. More efficient than having to use a rework station to lift the part and add a part w/ a documented bootloader/flash burn code Of course if all the units can be reflashed through the software mechanisms we're better off all around. I just have to get around to testing CJs code on my various units. Too many projects. -- John From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38085 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2005 06:30:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2005 06:30:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.220) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2005 06:30:34 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.174.55]) by priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050130063034.ZLZM6285.priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:30:34 -0700 Message-ID: <01ad01c50695$3380cce0$37ae74ce@...> To: References: <41FBF4DE.307@...> <005001c50659$a86d0460$37ae74ce@...> <41FC1FAA.50900@...> <015d01c5067e$16f79f20$37ae74ce@...> <1107061950.15218.561.camel@aragorn> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:25:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 199.185.220.220 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] MyCIDCO Info Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 776 Lines: 20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Hogerhuis" > Actually, I saw a special test clip for the TSOP flash parts like those > in the Mailstation a few months back, I may be able to dig up the link. > Just solder some wires and connect it to a programmer properly, I think > you would be set. More efficient than having to use a rework station to > lift the part and add a part w/ a documented bootloader/flash burn code > Of course if all the units can be reflashed through the software > mechanisms we're better off all around. I just have to get around to > testing CJs code on my various units. Too many projects. I'm assuming they can be reflashed via the parallel printer port, since it seems to be clear that the code is there to do that. Neil From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26224 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2005 09:12:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2005 09:12:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail28.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.30) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2005 09:12:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 15969 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2005 09:12:28 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail28.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 30 Jan 2005 09:12:28 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <01ad01c50695$3380cce0$37ae74ce@...> References: <41FBF4DE.307@...> <005001c50659$a86d0460$37ae74ce@...> <41FC1FAA.50900@...> <015d01c5067e$16f79f20$37ae74ce@...> <1107061950.15218.561.camel@aragorn> <01ad01c50695$3380cce0$37ae74ce@...> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Message-Id: <1107076419.15667.820.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:13:39 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 69.17.117.30 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] MyCIDCO Info Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 876 Lines: 26 On Sat, 2005-01-29 at 22:25, Neil Morrison wrote: > I'm assuming they can be reflashed via the parallel printer port, > since it > seems to be clear that the code is there to do that. > There's code there, but there's no guarantee that it is in all versions of the ROM, or that all versions behave the same, or that future firmware revisions/updates won't rip it out. The parallel port routines are sort of a developer's back-door. As you know, in the field the units are upgraded via special cryptographically protected email messages. So they could take this stuff out any time, unless it's part of their manufacturing process. But I imagine they would be assembling the boards with the parts already programmed. Basically, we just need to verify it with CJs code. Everything is in place to move forward, it's just a matter of who has time to get it done. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ygator@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48506 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2005 21:34:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2005 21:34:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2005 21:34:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2005 21:34:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2005 21:34:52 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 21:34:51 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004c01c50506$3399fe80$37ae74ce@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "ygator" Subject: Re: Is there a way to setup more than one user? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63329770 X-Yahoo-Profile: ygator Status: RO Content-Length: 414 Lines: 21 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Morrison" wrote: > > Which model do you have? Surprised you can't set up 5 users. Model DET1 - Mivo 100 I posted some files under DET1 Folder in the files section. Trying to add a second user the following message is displayed: To activate a new E-Mail account, please call: 1-888-403-7050 A representative will assist you with your request. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93629 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2005 21:48:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2005 21:48:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.223) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2005 21:48:13 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.174.55]) by priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050206214812.ORXO11251.priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:48:12 -0700 Message-ID: <002e01c50c95$8d1bd8c0$37ae74ce@...> To: References: Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:45:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 199.185.220.223 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Is there a way to setup more than one user? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 581 Lines: 27 That's too bad. The Yahoo ones are best, up to 5 accounts on any ISP. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "ygator" > --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Morrison" > wrote: > > > > Which model do you have? Surprised you can't set up 5 users. > > Model DET1 - Mivo 100 > > I posted some files under DET1 Folder in the files section. > > Trying to add a second user the following message is displayed: > > To activate a new E-Mail account, please call: > > 1-888-403-7050 > > A representative will assist you with your request. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ygator@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10236 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2005 05:12:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2005 05:12:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2005 05:12:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2005 05:11:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2005 05:11:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 05:11:46 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002e01c50c95$8d1bd8c0$37ae74ce@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.38 From: "ygator" Subject: Re: Is there a way to setup more than one user? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63329770 X-Yahoo-Profile: ygator Status: RO Content-Length: 220 Lines: 12 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Morrison" wrote: > > That's too bad. The Yahoo ones are best, up to 5 accounts on any ISP. What is the ROM version? Is the hardware model a DET1 also? From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83873 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2005 06:10:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2005 06:10:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.223) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2005 06:10:26 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.174.55]) by priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050207061025.EWEG21852.priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:10:25 -0700 Message-ID: <05c601c50cdb$b5cfe900$37ae74ce@...> To: References: Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:00:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 199.185.220.223 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Is there a way to setup more than one user? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 437 Lines: 22 ----- Original Message ----- From: "ygator" > --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Morrison" > wrote: > > > > That's too bad. The Yahoo ones are best, up to 5 accounts on any > ISP. > What is the ROM version? Don't know, but a Yahoo! symbol comes up on the screen. Is the hardware model a DET1 also? I thought so. Did you check the links on http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/ ?? Neil From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ygator@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7020 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2005 20:57:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2005 20:57:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2005 20:57:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2005 20:57:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2005 20:57:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 20:57:06 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <05c601c50cdb$b5cfe900$37ae74ce@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "ygator" Subject: Re: Is there a way to setup more than one user? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63329770 X-Yahoo-Profile: ygator Status: RO Content-Length: 408 Lines: 18 > > What is the ROM version? > > Don't know, but a Yahoo! symbol comes up on the screen. It displays it under Settings. On mine you go to extras off the Main Menu and then Settings. The upper right shows XTND on or off and then the version of the ROM. > Is the hardware model a DET1 also? > > I thought so. Did you check the links on On mine there is a sticker on the bottom stating the model. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: anusha_kathy@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50103 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2005 06:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2005 06:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2005 06:44:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2005 06:39:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2005 06:39:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 06:39:45 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "anusha_kathy" Subject: Check this awesome Directory X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=216951266 X-Yahoo-Profile: anusha_kathy Status: RO Content-Length: 756 Lines: 20 Hello, I have always had problems using search engines to find what I wanted,as it always poped up results that I was in no way looking for. I just happen to go through a very simple page, with relavent links on computing and felt that it could be useful to you too. You may go to http://www.yahoouk.org/computing for the computing catalog with the following sub areas : Computer Hardware, Computer Peripherals,Computer Programming,Computer Security,Computer Services,Computer Storage Devices,Document Management,Ecommerce, Email, Enterprise Software Help Desk Services, Internet Service Providers, Memory, Network Design & Construction, Network Hardware, Online Content, Printers, Software Applications, Software Development and Web Hosting. Kathy From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52851 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2005 08:14:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2005 08:14:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2005 08:14:00 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2005 08:14:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2005 08:14:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:13:52 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Debugger X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 2315 Lines: 66 I have uploaded a current copy of my remote debugger to the files section (a DOS executable, mailbug.exe). It includes code to flash the remote target code (MBOOT/MBUG) into a mailstation. I have tested it on version 2.22r and 2.53yr. It should work with 2.54, too. I don't know about any of the others, but it might. You need a parallel laplink cable to use it. I think a windows DCC (direct cable connect) is essentially the same thing. If you don't feel adventurous, it should be possible to make a version that is more likely to work on unknown versions, it just is not done yet. It also includes a "RAM" target, that emulates only the mailstation ROM (you don't need to connect to real mailstation). This will allow "on the fly" disassembly of the rom code, including comments, but not execution. (unzip don hamiltons dump in subdir "hamilton", and debugger will convert it to .rom files.) Installing the MBUG target will erase most of the mailstation code, but the low level stuff is preserved. MBUG will allow on the fly disassembly, uploading to ram, and executing, among other things. Breakpoints still do not work. There is also an extremely simple "hello world" program (both .asm & .hex). It makes a call to a system routine, and displays on the LCD. The source code is included for the remote part, with an explanation of how it (remote) works. The source for the PC side is not included, 'cause it is not ready yet. There is no documentation on using it yet either, but the menu should help. It uses the same code I posted earlier (unit_tribbles.pas) but with new timeout code that should work regardless of cpu speed now. And it is still a DOS app (just be glad it is not still CP/M!!!). If anyone knows how to turn tribbles.pas into a win32 device driver, then I could make a win32 version. I only included comment file for page #00 of the rom for now. I have a lot more, but it is taking time to get everything in order. I hope to post more soon. But I wanted to get something out now. I'm sure I have forgot something.... Oh, if something goes wrong, you could toast your mailstation. I now have 4 units with unbootable rom code. And I would highly advise not to leave the laplink connected between your PC and the mailstation when booting the PC. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: bfayette@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85228 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2005 01:26:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2005 01:26:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-02-eri0.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.101) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2005 01:26:35 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (rdu26-42-070.nc.rr.com [66.26.42.70]) by ms-smtp-02-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2J1QW0V012624 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:26:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <423B7FAB.2020505@...> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:26:03 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com References: <1110463565.363.18693.m12@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1110463565.363.18693.m12@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Brad Fayette Subject: Re: [mailstation] Digest Number 74 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=74264799 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradfayette Status: RO Content-Length: 3539 Lines: 112 Well, I loaded MBOOT/MBUG on a Mailstation DET1 ver 2.54Y. The screen on the mailstation now says "Welcome to Mbug", which I assume is a good thing. How do I load the "Hello World" program? Regards, Brad Fayette "The geeks shall inherit the Earth." mailstation@yahoogroups.com wrote: > There is 1 message in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Debugger > From: "Cyrano Jones" > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:13:52 -0000 > From: "Cyrano Jones" > Subject: Debugger > > > I have uploaded a current copy of my remote debugger > to the files section (a DOS executable, mailbug.exe). > > It includes code to flash the remote target code > (MBOOT/MBUG) into a mailstation. I have tested > it on version 2.22r and 2.53yr. It should work with > 2.54, too. I don't know about any of the others, > but it might. You need a parallel laplink cable to > use it. I think a windows DCC (direct cable connect) > is essentially the same thing. > > If you don't feel adventurous, it should be possible > to make a version that is more likely to work on > unknown versions, it just is not done yet. > > It also includes a "RAM" target, that emulates only the > mailstation ROM (you don't need to connect to real mailstation). > This will allow "on the fly" disassembly of the rom code, > including comments, but not execution. (unzip don > hamiltons dump in subdir "hamilton", and debugger > will convert it to .rom files.) > > Installing the MBUG target will erase most of the > mailstation code, but the low level stuff is preserved. > MBUG will allow on the fly disassembly, uploading to > ram, and executing, among other things. Breakpoints > still do not work. > > There is also an extremely simple "hello world" program > (both .asm & .hex). It makes a call to a system routine, > and displays on the LCD. > > The source code is included for the remote part, with > an explanation of how it (remote) works. The source > for the PC side is not included, 'cause it is not ready yet. > There is no documentation on using it yet either, but > the menu should help. > > It uses the same code I posted earlier (unit_tribbles.pas) > but with new timeout code that should work regardless > of cpu speed now. And it is still a DOS app (just be glad > it is not still CP/M!!!). If anyone knows how to turn > tribbles.pas into a win32 device driver, then I could > make a win32 version. > > I only included comment file for page #00 of the rom > for now. I have a lot more, but it is taking time to get > everything in order. I hope to post more soon. But I > wanted to get something out now. > > I'm sure I have forgot something.... > > Oh, if something goes wrong, you could toast your > mailstation. I now have 4 units with unbootable rom code. > > And I would highly advise not to leave the laplink > connected between your PC and the mailstation when > booting the PC. > > -- > CJ > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: bfayette@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92959 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2005 01:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2005 01:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.102) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2005 01:30:51 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (rdu26-42-070.nc.rr.com [66.26.42.70]) by ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2J1Umkc005016 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:30:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <423B80AC.9090405@...> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:30:20 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com References: <1110463565.363.18693.m12@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1110463565.363.18693.m12@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Brad Fayette Subject: Re: [mailstation] Digest Number 74 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=74264799 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradfayette Status: RO Content-Length: 3439 Lines: 110 Also, how do I shut off the mailstation now that it is flashed with the Mbug code? Thanks. Regards, Brad Fayette "The geeks shall inherit the Earth." mailstation@yahoogroups.com wrote: > There is 1 message in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Debugger > From: "Cyrano Jones" > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:13:52 -0000 > From: "Cyrano Jones" > Subject: Debugger > > > I have uploaded a current copy of my remote debugger > to the files section (a DOS executable, mailbug.exe). > > It includes code to flash the remote target code > (MBOOT/MBUG) into a mailstation. I have tested > it on version 2.22r and 2.53yr. It should work with > 2.54, too. I don't know about any of the others, > but it might. You need a parallel laplink cable to > use it. I think a windows DCC (direct cable connect) > is essentially the same thing. > > If you don't feel adventurous, it should be possible > to make a version that is more likely to work on > unknown versions, it just is not done yet. > > It also includes a "RAM" target, that emulates only the > mailstation ROM (you don't need to connect to real mailstation). > This will allow "on the fly" disassembly of the rom code, > including comments, but not execution. (unzip don > hamiltons dump in subdir "hamilton", and debugger > will convert it to .rom files.) > > Installing the MBUG target will erase most of the > mailstation code, but the low level stuff is preserved. > MBUG will allow on the fly disassembly, uploading to > ram, and executing, among other things. Breakpoints > still do not work. > > There is also an extremely simple "hello world" program > (both .asm & .hex). It makes a call to a system routine, > and displays on the LCD. > > The source code is included for the remote part, with > an explanation of how it (remote) works. The source > for the PC side is not included, 'cause it is not ready yet. > There is no documentation on using it yet either, but > the menu should help. > > It uses the same code I posted earlier (unit_tribbles.pas) > but with new timeout code that should work regardless > of cpu speed now. And it is still a DOS app (just be glad > it is not still CP/M!!!). If anyone knows how to turn > tribbles.pas into a win32 device driver, then I could > make a win32 version. > > I only included comment file for page #00 of the rom > for now. I have a lot more, but it is taking time to get > everything in order. I hope to post more soon. But I > wanted to get something out now. > > I'm sure I have forgot something.... > > Oh, if something goes wrong, you could toast your > mailstation. I now have 4 units with unbootable rom code. > > And I would highly advise not to leave the laplink > connected between your PC and the mailstation when > booting the PC. > > -- > CJ > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84716 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2005 04:04:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2005 04:04:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2005 04:04:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2005 04:04:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2005 04:04:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 04:04:20 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <423B7FAB.2020505@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Digest Number 74 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1069 Lines: 44 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, Brad Fayette wrote: > Well, I loaded MBOOT/MBUG on a Mailstation DET1 ver 2.54Y. The screen on > the mailstation now says "Welcome to Mbug", which I assume is a good thing. Correct! > How do I load the "Hello World" program? First make sure the target is set to "MBUG", and not "RAM". The T key toggles between the two. Then either set the "workfile" with W key, type hello.hex (or just proceed with load, and enter filename when it asks.) Next type L 4000 (as in "Load 4000) Then type G 4000 (as in "Go 4000) And it should execute the extremely short program, which calls the display routine, and then jump back into MBUG (it leaves MBUG in control when done). For the addresses, you can also specify the device and page, or else it will use whatever device/page is at the z80 address you give. You can enter a path with the filename, but the default dir is the 253yr subdir, and that is where hello.hex is. There is also a z80 cross assembler (dos) in the mbug directory. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91169 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2005 04:08:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2005 04:08:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2005 04:08:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2005 04:08:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.93] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2005 04:08:37 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 04:08:28 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <423B80AC.9090405@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Digest Number 74 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 327 Lines: 20 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, Brad Fayette wrote: > Also, how do I shut off the mailstation now that it is flashed with the > Mbug code? Thanks. Unplug the power! The mailstation shuts off under software control, and that sowtware is not running now, so the power button does nothing. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62902 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2005 05:47:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2005 05:47:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2005 05:47:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2005 05:46:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2005 05:46:52 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 05:46:49 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <423B7FAB.2020505@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Digest Number 74 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 521 Lines: 23 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, Brad Fayette wrote: > Well, I loaded MBOOT/MBUG on a Mailstation DET1 ver 2.54Y. The screen on > the mailstation now says "Welcome to Mbug", which I assume is a good thing. I was wondering what os/cpu/mhz you are running under? Do the comments display with the disassemble command (D xxxx)? Disassembly works with either the mbug or ram targets, but it is slower with mbug because it is pumping the code over the laplink as it scrolls down screen. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: bfayette@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75456 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2005 14:40:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2005 14:40:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.100) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2005 14:40:11 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (rdu26-42-070.nc.rr.com [66.26.42.70]) by ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2JEe9Lv026117 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 09:40:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <423C39AB.6030203@...> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 09:39:39 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Brad Fayette Subject: Mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=74264799 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradfayette Status: RO Content-Length: 937 Lines: 28 I should have figured that out about the power. I guess there is some work left to do :-) I am running it on a Toshiba T4700CS laptop, 50mhz 486, Win 95. Runs fine in a dos window. I am seeing comments when I disassemble. I assume the code is coming out of the mailstation, and the comments out of a file. I guess this is something to be aware of in case you change something. Do you have any advice on how not to trash the mailstation when writing/loading/running applications? Does the mailstion 250 have a Z80? I have a 350, but it has some toshiba 16 bit processor, so I'm getting rid of it. The interesting thing is that for wireless devices, the FCC has tons of stuff online, like schematics. All you need is the FCC Id. Maybe some of it for the 250 would apply to other devices as well. CJ, where are you located? I'm in North Carolina, USA. -- Regards, Brad Fayette "The geeks shall inherit the Earth." From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58426 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2005 21:06:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2005 21:06:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail28.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.30) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2005 21:06:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 30899 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2005 21:06:14 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail28.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 19 Mar 2005 21:06:14 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:07:29 -0800 Message-Id: <1111266449.15697.3.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Debugger X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 508 Lines: 16 On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 08:13 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > > Oh, if something goes wrong, you could toast your > mailstation. I now have 4 units with unbootable rom code. > http://www.emulation.com/catalog/off-the-shelf_solutions/debugging_accessories/test_clips/tsop_test_clips/ I'm not sure how well such a clip would work, given the low profile of a TSOP flash part, but if it does work wouldn't that mean one could reprogram a toasted mailstation flash chip without desoldering the part? -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50826 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2005 05:50:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2005 05:50:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2005 05:50:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2005 05:50:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2005 05:50:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 05:50:30 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <423C39AB.6030203@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 6241 Lines: 183 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, Brad Fayette wrote: > I should have figured that out about the power. I guess > there is some work left to do :-) It won't be hard to get it to shut off, I just haven't tried. Actually, I don't think it ever really shuts itself off in "normal" use, I think it just "goes to sleep". Try "G 1AC0" That will execute what I believe the ms does when it "turns off". My screen went blank when I tried it! I thought I would have to power cycle or reset to get it back, but the power button wakes it up!!! I actually leave mine on most of the time, running with the wall-wart. (And that has been how I killed 3 of the 4.) If you are using batteries, I guess you need to take them out to get it completely off. > I am running it on a Toshiba T4700CS laptop, > 50mhz 486, Win 95. Runs fine in a dos window. That's cool. I hadn't even thought about that end of the spectrum. :-) How much ram is in it? The debugger allocates over 3 meg of buffers, and it probably should run with a disk cache (win 95 provides one, right???) because the comment files are not buffered inside of the program (and it reads them from the beggining every time screen scrolls.) > I am seeing comments when I disassemble. I assume > the code is coming out of the mailstation, and the > comments out of a file. I guess this is > something to be aware of in case you change something. Right. If you installed the v2.53 files, and converted to .rom files, then you can use the "ram" target, and browse the disassembly/comments, and the code will be read from pc ram, and it is noticeably faster. I started to add the concept of "projects" so you could have different versions use different comment files, but that is not done yet. I'm just distributing the comment files, without the disassembly, because I don't want to worry about any copyright issues. If you use command ^h it will render the disassembly and comments to a hyperlinked .html files. I don't know how long it will take at 50 MHz to do pages 00 thru 3f, but you can tell it to do just page 00. (I recommend using ram target for this. But it should work from mbug, just slower.) > Do you have any advice on how not to trash the > mailstation when writing/loading/running applications? The first one I trashed was due to me asking the debugger to erase a page that held part of the then-current bootup code. The only way to avoid that is to be careful. :-) :-) The second and third were due to changes I made to keep the mailstation from getting locked up when rebooting the PC. Previously it had been thru countless reboots, with the only ill effect being that it was unresponsive to commands, and required a hard reset. I was getting tired of having to poke a pencil in the reset hole. I figured what was happening was that either windows or the PC firmware was "printing" some garbage to the parallel port during boot up (you know how a printer will sometimes print garbage when a PC is booting.) So, I added some error detection, making the remote code restart whenever it got a command that didn't make sense. All I can figure is that what happened is that I gave the gibberish a fresh shot from the start everytime it sent nonsense, making it much more likely to hit on the command "erase page 00" eventually. The first time it happened I really didn't know what had happened. I grabbed a new mailstation, and installed the very same version of mboot. Within a week that one was toast, too. I figured it must have something to do with the most recent changes. So I decided I should fix it before wrecking another mailsation. In the meantime, I was fiddling with a stock mailstation (without my code) trying to read the serial number thru the laplink (that works!). But I left the thing connected (and powered) when I was done. Several days went by, with several pc reboots, and then one day I noticed that this *stock* mailstation had apparently gotten erased. Live and learn. I now *unplug* the laplink when I quit the debugger (It now displays a reminder when quitting!) I actually thought I had fixed it so this couldn't happen, but as I look at the code now, it appears that the reminder is how I fixed it. If only I had the time to do everything I want to... But I havent had any problem since December. The next version should have a better safeguard. There really is no way to prevent a haywire program from finding the reflash code, other than removing it completely. I mean, even if you thought you had a secure lockout, what if the program running amok jumps in right after the lock? But I don't think we really need to worry about that. Just unplug the laplink when you are done, for now! And brown mailstations are real cheap on ebay. :-) > Does the mailstion 250 have a Z80? Yes. It's essentially the same as the brown/white/100's. Except for the modem, and the radio circuitry. And keyboard. And callerid chip. But the cpu/ram/codeflash/dataflash are the same. > I have a 350, but it has some > toshiba 16 bit processor, so I'm getting rid of it. I'll bet you can get over $100 for it on ebay. I've seen several sell in the $130 range. The 350 appears to use some other protocol (if any) for it's update function. > The interesting > thing is that for wireless devices, the FCC has > tons of stuff online, like schematics. All you > need is the FCC Id. Maybe some of it for the > 250 would apply to other devices as well. Yes! Where is the search page? I saw the link on linux hacker for the 350 data. But I can't find a search page that will return that page. Is there any reason we shouldn't look at this, like with the patent info? We already have most of the port/pinout/address info courtesy of rogblake, and one friendly panther (who I understand almost went blind tracing the circuit). > CJ, where are you located? I'm in North Carolina, USA. I'm in the Detroi..... Uh, I mean I'm in my ship, hovering 500 miles over the Detroit area, safely out of reach of any Earth regulations such as DMCA (or even YMCA!) Don't let my ip address fool you, I'm attached to some earthlings open wi-fi link. Yeah, that's it. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36534 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2005 07:12:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2005 07:12:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2005 07:12:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2005 07:12:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.99] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2005 07:12:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 07:11:37 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1111266449.15697.3.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Debugger X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 2557 Lines: 76 > > Oh, if something goes wrong, you could toast your > > mailstation. I now have 4 units with unbootable rom code. > > http://www.emulation.com/catalog/off-the-shelf_solutions/debugging_acc essories/test_clips/tsop_test_clips/ > > I'm not sure how well such a clip would work, given the > low profile of a TSOP flash part, but if it does work wouldn't > that mean one could reprogram a toasted mailstation flash chip > without desoldering the part? OUCH! Did you see the price on those? You could buy 20 or 30 mailstations for that price! :-) I am sure you can rescue a misflashed mailstation without removing the chip. It's just not gonna be real easy. I was thinking that the ram chip would be the easiest place to get at the bus, like in Don Hamilton's pic in the groups photo section. Just solder wires to it! I don't know about just driving the bus and flashing, but what I was thinking was to connect the data bus to the data pins on a pc parallel port, and maybe the /rd or /ce, or an address line or two, to the status pins. You would need to cut the /ce to the flash, and pull the flash side of it high, and monitor the other side of it. Then, with a fast pc, emulate the codeflash. Send code for the cpu to execute, and have it load whatever you want into ram, then jump to it. After your arbitrary code was running from ram, disconnect the pc from the bus, and reconnect the /ce to the codeflash chip. Then the code in ram can flash whatever it needs to into the codeflash. This technique would give you access to any device, not just a trashed mailstation. You could even use it to access/download the rom before erasing any of the unknown ms firmware versions. Maybe there is some socket with the right pitch to mate with that ram chip? It wouldn't need to snap on, you could just hold it on for the instant it would take to load the ram. A through-hole type rather than surface mount might work even better (use the solder side pins to contact the ram, and solder your wires to the component side). (It might be easier to just piggyback a similar packaged preprogrammed rom on to the ram, with its /cs connected to the codeflash /cs, but I don't have such a chip, or a programmer for it.) Anybody able to identify the type of package for the ram chip? I am by no means an expert on surface mount packages. Is it a SOP? SSOP?? TSOP-II??? Whats the difference between all those anyhow??? The fact that different manufacturers seem to use different names for the same packages doesn't help. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... 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Subject: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 334 Lines: 14 I got source for mailbug some time back, and I've built it for Linux. No luck burning mbug into the flash though. Do I have to put the MS into a special mode before running the flash burn software? Fn-Shift-T gets me to a diagnostics menu, but there is no entry there regarding flash programming (just various tests). -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... 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Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Debugger X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 586 Lines: 19 On Sun, 2005-03-20 at 07:11 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > OUCH! Did you see the price on those? You could > buy 20 or 30 mailstations for that price! :-) Well with shipping on each one I think it would be more like 10 or 15, but yeah. It ain't free. But then such a solution would work in all cases, no matter how hose the MS, and whether or not the built-in flash routine is accessible. Only one of us would have to own one, and could reprogram MS's for others. I heard about this particular test clip from someone that reprograms firmware on certain tv receivers. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38814 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2005 03:13:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2005 03:13:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2005 03:13:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2005 03:13:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2005 03:13:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 03:13:00 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1111449091.15697.73.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1024 Lines: 38 > I got source for mailbug some time back, and I've built it for Linux. Great! How did you handle the port permission issue??? > No luck burning mbug into the flash though. > > Do I have to put the MS into a special mode before > running the flash burn software? No, just turn it on. As far as I can tell, the ms can be on any screen when you kick it into the update mode. You do not need to touch the mailstation (other than to turn it on, and connect the laplink). The PC will make the ms enter/leave update mode via the laplink. The only commands you need to type are on the PC keyboard. When the update is done, the ms reboots to the main menu, unless you erased the ms code. Make sure you can read out the serial number before you try to flash. That will tell you if you are sending and receiving ok. Each time you read sn, it will enter update mode, display sn on pc screen, and then the ms reboots when the update mode exits. Maybe there exists a need for some documentation??? ;^) -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16986 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2005 03:22:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2005 03:22:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2005 03:22:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2005 03:22:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2005 03:22:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 03:22:03 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1111449574.15697.77.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Debugger X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1020 Lines: 40 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > On Sun, 2005-03-20 at 07:11 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > > > OUCH! Did you see the price on those? You could > > buy 20 or 30 mailstations for that price! :-) > > Well with shipping on each one I think it would be more like 10 or 15, > but yeah. It ain't free. I got a bunch for betwwen $0.01 & $1.00, plus s/h. I figure the average price I paid might be about $8.00 after shipping. I got a box of 10 150's, shipped for $50.00 total. :-) But the price seems to have gone UP on ebay this week. > But then such a solution would work in all cases, no matter how hose the > MS, and whether or not the built-in flash routine is accessible. Only > one of us would have to own one, and could reprogram MS's for others. I can't afford it. Maybe I'll send mine to you? ;^) > I heard about this particular test clip from someone that reprograms > firmware on certain tv receivers. TVs??? Or Tivos??? -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12108 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2005 05:53:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2005 05:53:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail26.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.28) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2005 05:53:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 17262 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2005 05:53:25 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail26.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 22 Mar 2005 05:53:25 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:53:44 -0800 Message-Id: <1111470824.15697.100.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Debugger X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 214 Lines: 11 On Tue, 2005-03-22 at 03:22 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > TVs??? Or Tivos??? > Satellite tv receivers. Every once in a while they change some codes, and the modders have to reprogram their firmware. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15656 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2005 05:58:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2005 05:58:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.26) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2005 05:58:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 5690 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2005 05:58:04 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 22 Mar 2005 05:58:04 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:58:23 -0800 Message-Id: <1111471103.15697.105.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 1525 Lines: 55 On Tue, 2005-03-22 at 03:13 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > > > I got source for mailbug some time back, and I've built it for > Linux. > > Great! How did you handle the port permission issue??? > uses oldlinux; iopl(3); ioperm (888,2,1); > > No luck burning mbug into the flash though. > > > > Do I have to put the MS into a special mode before > > running the flash burn software? > > No, just turn it on. As far as I can tell, the ms can > be on any screen when you kick it into the update mode. > You do not need to touch the mailstation (other than > to turn it on, and connect the laplink). > > The PC will make the ms enter/leave update mode > via the laplink. The only commands you need to > type are on the PC keyboard. > > When the update is done, the ms reboots to the > main menu, unless you erased the ms code. > > Make sure you can read out the serial number > before you try to flash. That will tell you if > you are sending and receiving ok. Each time > you read sn, it will enter update mode, display > sn on pc screen, and then the ms reboots when > the update mode exits. > Crap... I was afraid of that... that means one of the following: 1) laplink cable problem (I bought a manufactured cable) or 2) Timing issue or 3) The bytes aren't really making it out the port or 4) There's something broken about my serial port > Maybe there exists a need for some documentation??? ;^) > Uh, well that would help. Also if you have any debugging ideas, that would be cool. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95181 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2005 07:00:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2005 07:00:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2005 07:00:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2005 06:59:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2005 06:59:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:59:28 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1111471103.15697.105.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 2098 Lines: 73 > uses oldlinux; > > iopl(3); > ioperm (888,2,1); > > > > No luck burning mbug into the flash though. I don't think you need the iopl(3), just the ioperm(888,2,1). 888 is the decimal address of lpt1, the 2 means 2 consecutive ports, and I believe 888 & 889 are all I used. And the one means "grant access", right??? And I think you have to be root to do the ioperm. Are you USEing the plain "linux" unit (I think that is the name)??? None of the examples I see mention the "oldlinux", and I think ioperm is in "linux". Maybe it just a newer version than in "oldlinux". What's the scoop on why oldlinux is necessary??? As far as I can tell, after the ioperm, you can use the ports unit, and that's what unit_tribbles uses for port access. Do you know for sure what the port address is for your parallel port???? 888 is the most common, but there are others. I think we have another candidate for the config file!!!! > > > > > > Do I have to put the MS into a special mode before > > > running the flash burn software? > > > > No, just turn it on. [snip] > Crap... I was afraid of that... that means one of the following: > > 1) laplink cable problem (I bought a manufactured cable) or > 2) Timing issue or > 3) The bytes aren't really making it out the port or > 4) There's something broken about my serial port Can you test the port with some other software? (And a printer). Are you sure it is Parallel Laplink and not serial??? They make both! What do you get on your screen??? Any timeout errors? You could try making a simple test program that toggles the dataport pins, and check with logic probe (or LED port tester thingy), and see if that works (eliminates cable and mailstation from the equation). But the first thing I would try is skipping oldlinux & the iopl(3). > > Maybe there exists a need for some documentation??? ;^) > > Uh, well that would help. Also if you have any debugging ideas, that > would be cool. I think we are figuring out the docs as we go!!! We can compile the questions, or at least answers into some kind of manual. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71036 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2005 07:32:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2005 07:32:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2005 07:32:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2005 07:32:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.99] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2005 07:32:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:32:10 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 971 Lines: 47 OK. I see what the oldlinux is about. They did away with the linux unit. And replaced it with a handful of other units. I found the new ioperm in unit "X86". But apparently "oldlinux" *IS* the "linux" unit, renamed. And it should work. But I found this in the oldlinux manual: -------------------------------------------- IoPL Set I/O privilege level Declaration Source position: linuxold.inc line 1558 function IoPL( Level: LongInt ):Boolean; Description IoPL sets the I/O privilige level. It is intended for completeness only, one should normally not use it. --------------------------------------------- How do you call ioperm??? Does it return error??? It should return "true" if it worked, and "false" if it failed. Do you check it??? writeln('gonna ask for ioperm...'); if not (ioperm(888, 3, 1)) then begin writeln('didn''t get it. damn. gonna halt now.'); Halt(1); end; writeln('Hot dang! We got it!!!'); delay(1000); -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49523 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2005 07:56:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2005 07:56:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.29) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2005 07:56:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 20079 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2005 07:56:06 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 22 Mar 2005 07:56:06 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 23:56:26 -0800 Message-Id: <1111478186.15697.157.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 1379 Lines: 51 On Tue, 2005-03-22 at 07:32 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > > OK. I see what the oldlinux is about. They did away > with the linux unit. And replaced it with a handful of > other units. I found the new ioperm in unit "X86". > > But apparently "oldlinux" *IS* the "linux" unit, renamed. > And it should work. But I found this in the oldlinux > manual: > -------------------------------------------- > IoPL > Set I/O privilege level > Declaration > Source position: linuxold.inc line 1558 > function IoPL( > Level: LongInt > ):Boolean; > > Description > IoPL sets the I/O privilige level. It is intended for completeness > only, one should normally not use it. > --------------------------------------------- > > How do you call ioperm??? Does it return error??? > It should return "true" if it worked, and "false" > if it failed. Do you check it??? > > It didn't work until I put the iopl in. I didn't think I needed it either, but I was getting access violations until I put it in. > writeln('gonna ask for ioperm...'); > > if not (ioperm(888, 3, 1)) then > begin > writeln('didn''t get it. damn. gonna halt now.'); > Halt(1); > end; > > writeln('Hot dang! We got it!!!'); > delay(1000); > Yeah I was ignoring the return code. Your way is better in case someone decides to run it and they aren't root you can give them an error message. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82130 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2005 07:53:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2005 07:53:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2005 07:53:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2005 07:53:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.99] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2005 07:53:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:53:28 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1111471103.15697.105.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1072 Lines: 44 Any luck yet? > 4) There's something broken about my serial port You meant parallel, right??? :-) It just occured to me that the port tester I used was for rs232. All 25 pins go straight thru, and the 9 lines used by rs232 have leds. 7 of the 10 laplink signals fall on a line with led, and the 5 laplink-out bits are on the first 5 leds. I eventually modified it so all 10 laplink signals were monitored with a led, but it was extremely useful even before mod. The PC will use pins 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 to talk *to* the mailstation. 2, 3, 4 are the 3 bit tribble, 5 is busy, and 6 is strobe to mailstation. pin 5 ("busy") will go high when the pc is talking to mailstation. The mailstation talks back to PC using pins 15, 13, 12, 10, 11. 10 is ms busy, 11 is strobe to PC. Both sides raise busy when they want to talk, and both sides also raise busy briefly to acknowledge they have been strobed. You mentioned you had a rs232 tester, right? It will tell you if your bits are getting out of the box, as long as it has leds for pins 5 & 6. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71084 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2005 10:25:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2005 10:25:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.26) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2005 10:25:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 9083 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2005 10:25:25 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 24 Mar 2005 10:25:24 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 02:26:09 -0800 Message-Id: <1111659969.3744.64.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 591 Lines: 44 On Thu, 2005-03-24 at 07:53 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > > Any luck yet? Nope. I did buzz out my laplink cable; does this look correct/sufficient?: 1-1 2-15 3-13 4-12 5-10 6-11 8-NC 9-NC 10-5 11-6 12-5 13-3 14-14 15-NC 16-16 17-17 18-NC 19-NC 20-NC 21-NC 22-NC 24-NC 24-NC 25-25 My serial mini-tester when hooked in doesn't show any activity. but it is only wired to show CD, DSR, RTS, TD, DTR, CTS, RD I tried just probing with a multi-meter... what should I should I hold the ground (black) probe to? I've just been touching it against the outer part of the connector. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17706 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2005 20:54:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2005 20:54:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2005 20:54:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2005 20:54:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2005 20:54:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:54:21 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1111659969.3744.64.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 2470 Lines: 97 OOPS! I was wrong when I said it worked unmodified. Your question about ground made me wonder what my tester was using for it's ground reference, since rs232 ground is pin 7, and pin 7 is not ground on the parport. I forgot about another little change I had made, before it worked at all. The common of the resistor pak in my rs232 tester was originally tied to pin 7 of the db25 (rs232 signal ground). I cut the trace between that common resistor pin and db25 pin 7 (it is connected to pin 7 of both db25's, so if you do this, make sure you cut it loose from both). Then I added a piece of kynar from that common resistor pin to one of the db 25 pins that is ground on the parallel port (I used pin 24, but pins 18 thru 25 are all ground on the PC parport.) > I did buzz out my laplink cable; does this look correct/sufficient?: I made some annotations on your pinout, below. Recheck those two, maybe its OK. My cable does not have the * connections, but several pinouts found on the 'net do. I thought it odd that the pin 1's would be connected straight thru, since pin 1 is an output on both sides. It turns out that those 4 pins are the control port (outputs). I understand that they are open collector, so tying together is ok, and you can read as an input as long as you set the coresponding out bit high. (Mailstation doesn't use them) > 1-1 * > 2-15 > 3-13 > 4-12 > 5-10 > 6-11 > 8-NC > 9-NC > 10-5 > 11-6 > 12-5 should be 12-4 > 13-3 > 14-14 * > 15-NC should be 15-2 > 16-16 * > 17-17 * > 18-NC > 19-NC > 20-NC > 21-NC > 22-NC > 24-NC > 24-NC > 25-25 > My serial mini-tester when hooked in doesn't show any activity. > but it > is only wired to show CD, DSR, RTS, TD, DTR, CTS, RD Here is how the laplink maps to a serial tester (need to make the ground mod to tester). At the PC end, the outputs to mailstation are: data 0 = pin 2 = TD data 1 = pin 3 = RD data 2 = pin 4 = RTS busy = pin 5 = CTS strobe = pin 6 = DSR The inputs do not fall on either of the other two LEDs. pin 8 = CD pin 20 = DTR > I tried just probing with a multi-meter... what should I > should I hold the ground (black) probe to? I've just been > touching it against the outer part of the connector. I don't know if the shell of the connector is connected to the signal ground??? Likely is, but I am not sure. Pins 18 thru 25 are all signal ground though, so I would put black on one of them. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52859 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2005 09:35:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2005 09:35:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.25) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2005 09:35:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 15115 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2005 09:35:53 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 25 Mar 2005 09:35:53 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 01:36:49 -0800 Message-Id: <1111743409.3744.153.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 832 Lines: 34 Well I've made a temporary retreat. Dealing with Linux and an unmodified mailstation is adding to many variables at once. I rebuilt my laptop with win98 and am using your current released binary from albatross.zip. So I run mailbug, enter u, then S I get "Mailstation did not ACK the dataflash command" So I was very brave and typed ^f This does something! "The software update process is ready to start, please wait" appears on the mailstation screen, then immediately afterward it changes to "Please check that the mailstation cable is properly connected and try again." On the laptop DOS box I see Here we go.... No codeflash command ACK, moderesult: 79 Can't enter codeflash mode. The firmware revision on this unit is V3.03a. Nothing got hosed by the failed update attempt. The unit still works fine. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80850 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2005 12:19:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2005 12:19:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2005 12:19:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2005 12:19:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2005 12:19:22 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:18:53 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1111743409.3744.153.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 2852 Lines: 87 > I rebuilt my laptop with win98 and am using your current released binary > from albatross.zip. Is this the same machine you were trying the Linux version on? > So I run mailbug, enter u, then S > > I get "Mailstation did not ACK the dataflash command" If you type Ctrl-t (toggles debug mode) you will get more verbose info from most commands. Here you would get the value of whatever the pc receives as acknowledge to the "enter dataflash mode" command. The two values the ms might send are either #06 (ascii ACK), or #15 (ascii NAK). > So I was very brave and typed > > ^f > > This does something! > > "The software update process is ready to start, please wait" > > appears on the mailstation screen, then immediately afterward it changes > to "Please check that the mailstation cable is properly connected and > try again." > > On the laptop DOS box I see > > Here we go.... > No codeflash command ACK, moderesult: 79 > Can't enter codeflash mode. For codeflash mode, it displays the byte it receives in response to the command without "debug on", but it is in decimal here. Just one of many rough edges left to be smoothed. 79 = #4F = x01 001 111 is what you got, when we are expecting either ACK = #06 = x00 000 110 or NAK = #15 = x00 010 101 where the x represents the unused bit of the third tribble. (bytes are sent as three groups of three bits.) Maybe it is a problem with the settling time on the port bits??? Your cpu could be fast enough to read the port before they have had time to stabilize???? OR! It could be that your low order bit of the three data bits is pegged high????? ACK is x00 000 110 and if you set the lowest bit of each tribble high you get x01 001 111 = #4F = 79 dec. This will be easy enough to check. Maybe I should add a loopback test??? Then you could make up a plug to feed the outs back into the ins on the parallel port. That way we can be sure we're talking to the port, without the mailstation (or cable) in the loop. I would not try to flash anything until I could read the serial number out reliably. The SN command requires sending 12 bytes in (with checksum) and receiving 18 bytes back. With no danger if it fails. Erasing the codeflash takes just two bytes in. > The firmware revision on this unit is V3.03a. Nothing got hosed by the > failed update attempt. The unit still works fine. Also, until we see the code in 3.03a, we don't know if we are putting mboot in a location where it will be called for sure. I had an idea to create an image that fills every high page with nops, and a jump to mboot at the end. That way, wherever it jumps/calls will run mboot. HEY!!! I just looked up the pin for your stuck bit, and it is 15, and that is one of the two that were wrong in your cable pinout. Maybe your cable *is* bad!!! -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20987 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2005 20:01:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2005 20:01:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.25) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2005 20:01:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 7287 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2005 20:01:01 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 25 Mar 2005 20:01:00 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:02:02 -0800 Message-Id: <1111780922.3744.168.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 3073 Lines: 97 WIth Ctrl-T, and S (serial number) request I get Entering Dataflash mode... dataflash mode ack: 4F Mailstation did not ACK the dataflash command With ^f I get: Here we go........ codeflash mode ack: 4F No codeflash command ACK, moderesult: 79 Can't enter codeflash mode. Interestingly, if the mailstation is in this state "please check that the parallel cable..." And I do ^f again, I get Here we go........ codeflash mode ack: 5D No codeflash command ACK, moderesult: 93 Can't enter codeflash mode. On Fri, 2005-03-25 at 12:18 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > > > I rebuilt my laptop with win98 and am using your current released > binary > > from albatross.zip. > > Is this the same machine you were trying the Linux version on? > No. This is my athlon 1.3Ghz (I think) laptop. > For codeflash mode, it displays the byte it receives in response > to the command without "debug on", but it is in decimal here. > Just one of many rough edges left to be smoothed. > > 79 = #4F = x01 001 111 is what you got, > when we are expecting either > ACK = #06 = x00 000 110 or > NAK = #15 = x00 010 101 > where the x represents the unused bit of the third tribble. > (bytes are sent as three groups of three bits.) > > Maybe it is a problem with the settling time on the port bits??? > Your cpu could be fast enough to read the port before they > have had time to stabilize???? OR! It could be that your > low order bit of the three data bits is pegged high????? > > ACK is x00 000 110 and if you set the lowest bit of each > tribble high you get x01 001 111 = #4F = 79 dec. > > This will be easy enough to check. Maybe I should add a > loopback test??? Then you could make up a plug to feed > the outs back into the ins on the parallel port. > > That way we can be sure we're talking to the port, without > the mailstation (or cable) in the loop. > > I would not try to flash anything until I could read the > serial number out reliably. The SN command requires > sending 12 bytes in (with checksum) and receiving > 18 bytes back. With no danger if it fails. > > Erasing the codeflash takes just two bytes in. > > > The firmware revision on this unit is V3.03a. Nothing got hosed by > the > > failed update attempt. The unit still works fine. > > Also, until we see the code in 3.03a, we don't know if > we are putting mboot in a location where it will be called > for sure. I had an idea to create an image that fills > every high page with nops, and a jump to mboot at the > end. That way, wherever it jumps/calls will run mboot. > > HEY!!! I just looked up the pin for your stuck bit, and it > is 15, and that is one of the two that were wrong in > your cable pinout. Maybe your cable *is* bad!!! > Crap, I think you're right... one way it's 15-2, the other way it's 15-NC. Of course that would mean that behavior should be different connected the other way. Have to try that... Anyway I guess I'll build a damn cable. That's what I get for buying this 4 months ago and not doing anything with it... -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27154 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2005 21:56:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2005 21:56:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.25) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2005 21:56:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 3759 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2005 21:56:20 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 25 Mar 2005 21:56:19 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:57:21 -0800 Message-Id: <1111787841.3744.176.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 940 Lines: 26 OK, better now. With Win98, I can now get the serial # from the unit. I bought a new laplink cable from Fry's, and this one doesn't have a dead 15-2 connection so it works :-) As to Linux, I haven't tried it yet, but I have some theories: one, I don't know why I didn't think of this, but maybe the print server (lpd) is holding onto the port in some way. Which would cause some kind of problem. The deal is that I am able to share the printer port with my Rio PMP300 player, so I guess I didn't think about possible consequences of reusing the port. Alternatively, maybe I am writing to the port, but perhaps it is in some non standard mode, like epp mode? Does unit_tribble set the mode of the port? Now, I haven't tried the reflash command. 3.03a... not as brave now that I know I'm actually communicating... do you think I should just give it a shot, or do you have some ideas for an image that is more likely to work? -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29718 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2005 00:26:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2005 00:26:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.26) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2005 00:26:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 18251 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2005 00:26:53 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 26 Mar 2005 00:26:52 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1111787841.3744.176.camel@aragorn> References: <1111787841.3744.176.camel@aragorn> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:27:56 -0800 Message-Id: <1111796876.3744.180.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 555 Lines: 19 On Fri, 2005-03-25 at 13:57 -0800, John R. Hogerhuis wrote: > Now, I haven't tried the reflash command. 3.03a... not as brave now > that > I know I'm actually communicating... do you think I should just give > it > a shot, or do you have some ideas for an image that is more likely to > work? Never mind; I just went for it, and mailbug seems to be running now quite happily. Now what can I put on it... have as anyone tried compiling any programs for it? I was thinking about compiling some C code with sdcc and trying to run it on there. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3666 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2005 03:45:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2005 03:45:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2005 03:45:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2005 03:45:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2005 03:45:01 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 03:44:58 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1111796876.3744.180.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1391 Lines: 48 > Never mind; I just went for it, and mailbug seems to be running now > quite happily. Great!!! :-) :-) :-) > Now what can I put on it... have as anyone tried compiling any programs > for it? I was thinking about compiling some C code with sdcc and trying > to run it on there. So far, I have only used assembler, and not much more than the "hello world" (hello.asm & hello.hex) W hello.hex L 4000 G 4000 The source (and an assembler) is in the mbug directory. The mbug/mboot source is there, too. I think I even zipped up the .bat file to build them. The bat files need the dir set, I do that by just making "shortcuts" to the bat files (set properties to "close on exit"). If you put the .hex or .rom files in the 253yr dir, you can load them without typing a path. The bat files output the .hex or .rom's to 253yr, and .lst to mbug dir. I have started on a "next version" of mboot, but I am finding a few bugs in mailbug. Load didn't work right always. If you try to load a .rom over 256 bytes, it puts the bytes past 256 into the next page!!! I got that fixed in mine. I also discovered that the write to flash (Z) is broke. I am still trying to get to the bottom of it. There has been a lot of change in the code since the last time I used Z command, so I am not sure how I broke it. I'd really like to fix that too, and then post a new mailbug. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14130 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2005 04:52:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2005 04:52:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.25) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2005 04:52:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 7213 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2005 04:52:14 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 26 Mar 2005 04:52:13 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:53:19 -0800 Message-Id: <1111812800.3744.200.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 1432 Lines: 40 On Sat, 2005-03-26 at 03:44 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > > > Never mind; I just went for it, and mailbug seems to be running now > > quite happily. > > Great!!! :-) :-) :-) > Thanks for your help debugging my setup :-) > I have started on a "next version" of mboot, but I am > finding a few bugs in mailbug. Load didn't work right > always. If you try to load a .rom over 256 bytes, it > puts the bytes past 256 into the next page!!! I got that > fixed in mine. I also discovered that the write to flash > (Z) is broke. I am still trying to get to the bottom of it. > > There has been a lot of change in the code since the last > time I used Z command, so I am not sure how I broke it. > I'd really like to fix that too, and then post a new > mailbug. > It looks like you've put together an excellent programmer's tool! I look forward to whatever improvements you can provide. For now though at least we all have a way to load code! I will let you know if I get the linux version working, maybe we can get some more people hacking on the MS if we get a stable set of tools for target development under Linux. From my end, I'd also like to get a "device" target (basically a C standard library) developed under sdcc. Sdcc can already generate Z80 code, but there of course is no MS target yet. Maybe in a few months we'll be able to completely replace the MS hardware access routines with our own. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92620 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2005 01:08:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2005 01:08:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2005 01:08:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2005 01:08:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2005 01:08:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 01:08:18 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1111812800.3744.200.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 3101 Lines: 94 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: [...] > > > Never mind; I just went for it, and mailbug seems to > > > be running now quite happily. > > > > Great!!! :-) :-) :-) > > Thanks for your help debugging my setup :-) You're welcome! Glad I could help!!! :-) [....] > > I also discovered that the write to flash > > (Z) is broke. I am still trying to get to the bottom of it. > > > > There has been a lot of change in the code since the last > > time I used Z command, so I am not sure how I broke it. [....] I have it figured out now.... Apparently you can't use code in one part of the flash to write to another part. I thought as long as it was in a different sector it would be ok. In retrospect, it seems kinda dumb to even try it. I think the flash chip may be busy running it's internal programming algorithm, and all you are supposed to do is try to read back the byte you are attempting to flash. You probably cannot access any other location till it's done! In the earliest versions, I just copied the rom to ram, like the ms does, and then I called the sector write from mbug. While experimenting with writing text to the LCD, I had mbug map the update code directly into Slot8000 (the only fonts left after reflash are in that update code). The LCD routines worked fine that way, running directly from the rom. (I have a halfway-decent scrolling text screen, now!) It only seemed natural to just use the sector write the same way... I was lazy, and didn't want to rewrite what seemed good enough. I think the right way to do it now is just add the actual flash code into mbug. > It looks like you've put together an excellent programmer's tool! I look > forward to whatever improvements you can provide. For now though at > least we all have a way to load code! :-) I may have something better in a few days, but for now, if anyone is tying to use it, as far a I can tell the hex file load is working ok in the old version (what number did I post, 0.0.1 or 0.0.2 ????). You can assemble a file (orged #4000) to a .hex file, load it at #4000, (L 4000) and then execute it with the go command (G 4000). > I will let you know if I get the linux version working, I have a hunch you were closer than you realized!!! ;^) > maybe we can get > some more people hacking on the MS if we get a stable set of tools for > target development under Linux. From my end, I'd also like to get a > "device" target (basically a C standard library) developed under sdcc. > Sdcc can already generate Z80 code, but there of course is no MS target > yet. [.....] I am looking forward to seeing what other people might be able to get going. As far as the C standard library, I think that is what most of the low level mailstation code is. I have done some experiments where I have made calls to several of the low level routines. I've been imagining making an include-file for the assembler, with the EQU's for the usefull addresses. Is this the kind of thing you would use a c "header file" for??? -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: greg.richards@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90604 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2005 00:20:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2005 00:20:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2005 00:20:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2005 00:20:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2005 00:20:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 00:19:27 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Greg" Subject: Newbie...attempting ISP change on DET-1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=140761825 X-Yahoo-Profile: therichards4 Status: RO Content-Length: 849 Lines: 40 Is it possible to both change to a different ISP, and ALSO to retain the Yahoo! service, which was set up through Earthlink? I am guessing I should follow the instructions from a prior post...(below)...can anyone confirm if this is the right sequence for the DET-1? The below instructions were for an "original black model" If I dump the system data, how do I set up the Yahoo! service? Thanks, sorry for the dumb questions, I'm not much of a techie. --Greg FN+SHIFT+T+POWER OPTION 3 Menu Option 6 Back Key Q to quit Reset System data Clear All Data Set Up New User user name password dialup numbers primary dns: 12.155.212.1 email address:***@... email password:***** incoming mail server: mail.access-4-free.com outgoing server: smtp.access-4-free.com ISP Login: user name (your username NOT email address!) ISP Password: ****** save From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28429 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2005 01:05:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2005 01:05:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.223) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2005 01:05:09 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.4.224]) by priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050330010508.ZFIP6783.priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:05:08 -0700 Message-ID: <025a01c534c3$b4f2b840$e00474ce@...> To: References: Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:51:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Newbie...attempting ISP change on DET-1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 642 Lines: 24 Set up a second user for the second service. AFAIK, the Yahoo! service is long gone. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg" > Is it possible to both change to a different ISP, and ALSO to retain > the Yahoo! service, which was set up through Earthlink? > > I am guessing I should follow the instructions from a prior > post...(below)...can anyone confirm if this is the right sequence for > the DET-1? The below instructions were for an "original black model" > > If I dump the system data, how do I set up the Yahoo! service? > > Thanks, sorry for the dumb questions, I'm not much of a techie. > > --Greg From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: greg.richards@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91120 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2005 03:55:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2005 03:55:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2005 03:55:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2005 03:55:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2005 03:55:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 03:54:46 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <025a01c534c3$b4f2b840$e00474ce@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Greg Richards" Subject: Re: Newbie...attempting ISP change on DET-1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=140761825 X-Yahoo-Profile: therichards4 Status: RO Content-Length: 869 Lines: 32 I tried...but the "new user" function is blocked, it says to call Customer Service to set up a new user. --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Morrison" wrote: > > Set up a second user for the second service. AFAIK, the Yahoo! service is > long gone. > > Neil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg" > > > Is it possible to both change to a different ISP, and ALSO to retain > > the Yahoo! service, which was set up through Earthlink? > > > > I am guessing I should follow the instructions from a prior > > post...(below)...can anyone confirm if this is the right sequence for > > the DET-1? The below instructions were for an "original black model" > > > > If I dump the system data, how do I set up the Yahoo! service? > > > > Thanks, sorry for the dumb questions, I'm not much of a techie. > > > > --Greg From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53775 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2005 05:34:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2005 05:34:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.240) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2005 05:34:22 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.4.224]) by priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050331053421.DRE27468.priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:34:21 -0700 Message-ID: <02d401c535b3$48662900$e00474ce@...> To: References: Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:27:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Newbie...attempting ISP change on DET-1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 2659 Lines: 80 You must have a newer unit then. I have a Yahoo one and I can set up any ISP and 5 users. Neil Here are some notes on some models:- FN+Shift+T or FN+Shift+Size are for MailStation 100 =================================================== If you press Function + d (on the MS 150, V4.04D) and press the hard reset button (with a paper clip) you'll get a slightly different menu dialog (the "Reset System Data" menu) after the memory scan? You have to keep holding Function + d after the reboot to see it. The menu shows an additional item: "Restore Default Account". =================================================== I figured out how to get into the setup menu on my Mailstation 350. Remove the batteries and use only the ac adapter to power the unit. Perform a reset to factory default settings by pressing and holding down the keys and power up. Select Yes when asked to restore to factory settings. During the message "Please wait while system resets" unplug the ac adapter. This corrupts the settings in memory so that the unit will now only bring up the setup menu. The setup menu asks for User Name, Dial Up Number, Reply to address, and E-mail address. There is also a Network settings button that appears in the menu. Unfortunatly it will not let you put in an e- mail address or allow you to go to the Network menu. I'm guessing there is some combination of keystrokes or some hidden way to allow access to those settings but I haven't been able to figure it out. =================================================== Good work Jeff. I could perform the reset with batteries as well. All I did was to to use a pin inserted on the little hole on the back to press the reset button during the message "Please wait while system resets". Then, press Fnct-D keys during the next power on. =================================================== A Mivo 250 uses Fcn-Shift-SIZE!!! Not T!!! =================================================== Great news! I was able to configure a Mailstation (black) original model to work with Access-4-Free, a free (10hrs month) ISP! FN+SHIFT+T+POWER OPTION 3 Menu Option 6 Back Key Q to quit Reset System data Clear All Data Set Up New User user name password dialup numbers primary dns: 12.155.212.1 email address:***@... email password:***** incoming mail server: mail.access-4-free.com outgoing server: smtp.access-4-free.com ISP Login: user name (your username NOT email address!) ISP Password: ****** save ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Richards" > I tried...but the "new user" function is blocked, it says to call > Customer Service to set up a new user. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60575 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2005 08:40:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2005 08:40:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.29) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2005 08:40:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 19962 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2005 08:40:08 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 31 Mar 2005 08:40:08 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:40:52 -0800 Message-Id: <1112258452.14612.84.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 2382 Lines: 69 On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 01:08 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > I have it figured out now.... Apparently you can't use code > in one part of the flash to write to another part. I thought > as long as it was in a different sector it would be ok. In > retrospect, it seems kinda dumb to even try it. I think > the flash chip may be busy running it's internal programming > algorithm, and all you are supposed to do is try to read back > the byte you are attempting to flash. You probably cannot > access any other location till it's done! > Interesting. I guess I never realized that about industrial flash chips... now that I think about it, the only time I've ever written to it was while running from RAM. So I'd say this behavior kind of stinks, but I don't doubt it to be the case. Certainly you would think that other sectors would be unaffected by a write to another sector, but I guess they aren't that sophisticated. > In the earliest versions, I just copied the rom to ram, > like the ms does, and then I called the sector write > from mbug. > > While experimenting with writing text to the LCD, I had > mbug map the update code directly into Slot8000 (the only > fonts left after reflash are in that update code). > The LCD routines worked fine that way, running directly > from the rom. (I have a halfway-decent scrolling text > screen, now!) > Cool! > It only seemed natural to just use the sector write the > same way... > > I was lazy, and didn't want to rewrite what seemed good > enough. I think the right way to do it now is just add > the actual flash code into mbug. > I agree. [...] > I am looking forward to seeing what other people might be able > to get going. As far as the C standard library, I think that is > what most of the low level mailstation code is. > Yes, I agree. But it will be nice to have a complete independent set of firmware, then we will know we have a foundation that can't be changed under us. > I have done some experiments where I have made calls to > several of the low level routines. I've been imagining making > an include-file for the assembler, with the EQU's for the > usefull addresses. Is this the kind of thing you would > use a c "header file" for??? > Yes, a header file and possibly a C wrapper library to go with it, depending on the calling conventions of the low level routines. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: greg.richards@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63828 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2005 04:09:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2005 04:09:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2005 04:08:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2005 04:08:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2005 04:08:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 04:08:28 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <02d401c535b3$48662900$e00474ce@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Greg Richards" Subject: Re: Newbie...ISP change worked, now trouble in paradise... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=140761825 X-Yahoo-Profile: therichards4 Status: RO Content-Length: 1415 Lines: 57 Hi Well, the instructions below worked fine (DET-1 is the "original" model, I guess!) Now I have a new problem. I am using the unit to access a POP3 account (deluxe version of Yahoo! mail) and so I entered in pop.mail.yahoo.com for the POP3 setting. And of course smtp.mail.yahoo.com for the outgoing server setting. Guess who can receive mail on his Mailstation, but not send it! The Yahoo help site says that "some Internet service providers will block port 25. If you experience technical problems sending email, then you will need to use port 587 when sending via Yahoo!'s SMTP server." Ug...I have no idea whether that's the real problem, and if it is, how to go about changing the port! Any one have ideas?? Thanks > =================================================== > FN+SHIFT+T+POWER > OPTION 3 > Menu Option 6 > Back Key > Q to quit > Reset System data > Clear All Data > Set Up New User > user name > password > dialup numbers > primary dns: 12.155.212.1 > email address:***@... > email password:***** > incoming mail server: mail.access-4-free.com > outgoing server: smtp.access-4-free.com > ISP Login: user name (your username NOT email address!) > ISP Password: ****** > save > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Richards" > > > I tried...but the "new user" function is blocked, it says to call > > Customer Service to set up a new user. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55273 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2005 04:44:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2005 04:44:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.29) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2005 04:44:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 9349 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2005 04:44:19 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 1 Apr 2005 04:44:18 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:44:19 -0800 Message-Id: <1112330659.6688.6.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Newbie...ISP change worked, now trouble in paradise... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 1388 Lines: 41 On Fri, 2005-04-01 at 04:08 +0000, Greg Richards wrote: > > Hi > > Well, the instructions below worked fine (DET-1 is the "original" > model, I guess!) > > Now I have a new problem. I am using the unit to access a POP3 > account (deluxe version of Yahoo! mail) and so I entered in > pop.mail.yahoo.com for the POP3 setting. And of course > smtp.mail.yahoo.com for the outgoing server setting. > > Guess who can receive mail on his Mailstation, but not send it! > > The Yahoo help site says that "some Internet service providers will > block port 25. If you experience technical problems sending email, > then you will need to use port 587 when sending via Yahoo!'s SMTP > server." > > Ug...I have no idea whether that's the real problem, and if it is, Maybe you could try configuring your desktop client to dial up and talk to Yahoo. If that doesn't work then the port is probably blocked, in which case you'll need to find a proxy server which will forward your SMTP packets. For a more direct test, you can usually use telnet (on desktop) to connect to arbitrary TCP ports, in this case 25. Try hittng enter, or HELO (or ELHO?) you should get a response from the server. If you are able to connect and get a response then your ISP is not blocking port 25. > how to go about changing the port! > Not sure how to change the port (if it's possible at all) -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79260 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2005 07:04:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2005 07:04:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.220) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2005 07:04:20 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.4.224]) by priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050401070316.GKDT6706.priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2005 00:03:16 -0700 Message-ID: <005701c53688$cb37a180$e00474ce@...> To: References: Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:55:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Newbie...ISP change worked, now trouble in paradise... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 680 Lines: 22 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Richards" > Well, the instructions below worked fine (DET-1 is the "original" > model, I guess!) > > Now I have a new problem. I am using the unit to access a POP3 > account (deluxe version of Yahoo! mail) and so I entered in > pop.mail.yahoo.com for the POP3 setting. And of course > smtp.mail.yahoo.com for the outgoing server setting. > > Guess who can receive mail on his Mailstation, but not send it! Two possibilities - smtp.mail.yahoo.com isn't the outgoing system, OR the password is wrong. Neither SHOULD be possible, but strange things do happen. I was able to hook one of these up to my ISP OK. Neil From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98579 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2005 07:48:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2005 07:48:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2005 07:48:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2005 07:48:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2005 07:48:06 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 07:48:04 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1112258452.14612.84.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1425 Lines: 51 [....] > Interesting. I guess I never realized that about industrial flash > chips... now that I think about it, the only time I've ever written to > it was while running from RAM. So I'd say this behavior kind of stinks, > but I don't doubt it to be the case. Certainly you would think that > other sectors would be unaffected by a write to another sector, but I > guess they aren't that sophisticated. The datasheet doesn't directly say that you can't do this, but it is the only explanation I can think of. The symptom was that mbug rebooted when I tried either erase or flash operations. The sector would be erased ok, but when trying to flash, only one byte would be flashed. Thats consistent with what I would expect if the cpu lost access to the code it was running after issuing the erase or byte program commands. [....] > > (I have a halfway-decent scrolling text screen now!) > > Cool! I uploaded my test program here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/files/Mailbug/scancode/ It reads the keyboard, and displays the key scancode on the LCD. > > It only seemed natural to just use the sector write the > > same way... > > > > I was lazy, and didn't want to rewrite what seemed good > > enough. I think the right way to do it now is just add > > the actual flash code into mbug. > > I agree. That I'm lazy, or about the right way to do it??? :-) :-) :-) [...] -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: evan947@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57078 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2005 23:40:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2005 23:40:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2005 23:40:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2005 23:40:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2005 23:40:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 23:40:28 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: "evan947" Subject: Total newbie question... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112297164 X-Yahoo-Profile: evan947 Status: RO Content-Length: 139 Lines: 7 Hi, I just got an old Mailstation... what can it be used for now? Or is there some FAQ that I missed answering the question already? From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3594 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2005 00:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2005 00:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail25.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.27) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2005 00:11:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 3787 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2005 00:11:23 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail25.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Apr 2005 00:11:23 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:12:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1112832724.3258.51.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Total newbie question... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 622 Lines: 20 On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 23:40 +0000, evan947 wrote: > > Hi, I just got an old Mailstation... what can it be used for now? Or > is there some FAQ that I missed answering the question already? Given MAILBUG, and an assembly language program, it can currently be used for just about anything, since code can now be loaded onto the unit over the parallel port. If an sdcc target can be made for mailstation, it will become possible to compile C programs for it. If you're not a hacker, for many mailstations you can make it call an alternate ISP and pretty much does what it does today, but with your own ISP. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23488 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2005 00:50:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2005 00:50:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.224) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2005 00:50:16 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.4.224]) by priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050407005016.JKOM4579.priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2005 18:50:16 -0600 Message-ID: <039801c53b0b$c31f13c0$e00474ce@...> To: References: Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 17:42:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Total newbie question... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 318 Lines: 16 See the website - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/ the links and old messages. Regards, Neil Morrison ----- Original Message ----- From: "evan947" > Hi, I just got an old Mailstation... what can it be used for now? Or > is there some FAQ that I missed answering the question already? From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: johnhungerford@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41735 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2005 16:14:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2005 16:14:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2005 16:14:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2005 16:14:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2005 16:14:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:14:01 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "johnhungerford" Subject: mailstation hack X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=220492571 X-Yahoo-Profile: johnhungerford Status: RO Content-Length: 312 Lines: 12 Our local Ofice Max is selling a pile of -new- leftover mailstations for $9 each. I bought the wireless model Mivo 250 and it does not function as I see notes on the other models seem to. Perhaps it is a newer one? It is CIDCO model DET28 Any one got good instructions for this model for changing the isp? From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27284 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2005 23:00:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2005 23:00:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.220) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2005 23:00:33 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.4.224]) by priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050407230030.LHFF9708.priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 17:00:30 -0600 Message-ID: <026701c53bc5$97bd7860$e00474ce@...> To: References: Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 15:51:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] mailstation hack X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 557 Lines: 18 The new ones are locked to Earthstation and are harder to crack. You'll need to wait until the rom is dumped and the mailbug software is fully working. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "johnhungerford" > Our local Ofice Max is selling a pile of -new- leftover mailstations > for $9 each. I bought the wireless model Mivo 250 and it does not > function as I see notes on the other models seem to. Perhaps it is a > newer one? > It is CIDCO model DET28 > > Any one got good instructions for this model for changing the isp? From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30562 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2005 11:30:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2005 11:30:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2005 11:30:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2005 11:30:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2005 11:30:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 11:30:44 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1111796876.3744.180.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1361 Lines: 38 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > On Fri, 2005-03-25 at 13:57 -0800, John R. Hogerhuis wrote: > > > Now, I haven't tried the reflash command. 3.03a... not as brave > > now that I know I'm actually communicating... do you think I > > should just give it a shot, or do you have some ideas for an > > image that is more likely to work? > > Never mind; I just went for it, and mailbug seems to be running > now quite happily. I wasn't as lucky. I went to office max last nite, and grabbed a few of the $9.00 150's. Just now, my curiosity got the better of me, and I flashed the 0.0.2 mbug into one of them. It seems that it flashed it ok, but when it rebooted, I got a streak of bits written to the lcd (approx the top half inch of the lcd). That might indicate that the loader ran, and copied the mboot code to ram (it gets loaded into what normaly is the lcd buffer). But it is not supposed to write the buffer to the lcd. And it never turned on the "new mail" LED (one of the first things mboot does when it starts running after being copied to ram. Or, it could just be the cpu walking thru the screen ram. The pattern does not seem to match the mboot code. I stopped thinking about the idea of a "safer" image after your success with 3.03a, but maybe I will have to get back to it. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90491 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2005 01:59:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2005 01:59:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail26.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.28) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2005 01:59:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 2653 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2005 01:59:26 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail26.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 9 Apr 2005 01:59:25 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 19:00:31 -0700 Message-Id: <1113012031.3258.281.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 537 Lines: 20 On Fri, 2005-04-08 at 11:30 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > > Or, it could just be the cpu walking thru the screen ram. The > pattern does not seem to match the mboot code. > > I stopped thinking about the idea of a "safer" image after your > success with 3.03a, but maybe I will have to get back to it. > Hmm... what version is in the 150? Mine is something like 4.x. Anyway, I guess the good news is the reflash code is there, so at least they can talk. Just need to remove the debugger's dependency on the boot rom. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49530 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2005 02:25:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2005 02:25:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.220) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2005 02:25:03 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.4.224]) by priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050409022503.OKZS3491.priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2005 20:25:03 -0600 Message-ID: <03cd01c53cab$559799c0$e00474ce@...> To: References: <1113012031.3258.281.camel@aragorn> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 19:15:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 361 Lines: 15 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Hogerhuis" > Hmm... what version is in the 150? Mine is something like 4.x. > > Anyway, I guess the good news is the reflash code is there, so at least > they can talk. Just need to remove the debugger's dependency on the boot > rom. I gather there's no code in the ROM to dump the ROM out? Neil From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42189 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2005 11:06:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2005 11:06:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2005 11:06:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2005 11:06:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2005 11:06:23 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 11:06:20 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1113012031.3258.281.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 2093 Lines: 58 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > Hmm... what version is in the 150? Mine is something like 4.x. It was 4.somethin D, but it's kind of hard to tell now! :-) I have another that is 4.05D, so I imagine that first one was, too. > Anyway, I guess the good news is the reflash code is there, so > at least they can talk. Just need to remove the debugger's > dependency on the boot rom. Right, it does seem to use the same reflash protocol. I have been thinking about just how to organize the next version of the mbug/mboot code. (mboot is what I have been calling the code that gets flashed into the ms codeflash, mbug is code that is loaded into ms RAM via laplink, and mailbug is what I am calling the debugger that runs on the PC at the other end of the laplink.) It seems it would be good to minimize the number of times you had to risk losing access when flashing new code, but it would be nice to be able to make changes, too. The old code does this by loading the latest version into ram from the PC host. (Which also means you need the PC attached whenever you reboot the mailstation.) But eventually it would be nice to be able to run without the PC/laplink. I am thinking that the next step might be a simple ROM monitor that would let you run code at arbitrary locations in the codeflash, from the ms keyboard, as well as connecting to the PC based debugger. And to allow you to develop new versions of the monitor, and flash them without the white knuckles, that it would be seperated into two parts. The first would go in page #00 and remain unchanged mostly. It would be able to automatically jump into the second stage, which would be in a higher page that was eraseable separately from the first stage. Then, if (or should I say when!) you hosed that second stage with a careless change, you could hold a key on the ms keyboard while rebooting it. That would make the first stage skip the auto-jump, and instead let you load mbug into ram, so you could fix the second stage with the debugger. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94089 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2005 11:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2005 11:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2005 11:19:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2005 11:19:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2005 11:19:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 11:19:45 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <03cd01c53cab$559799c0$e00474ce@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 657 Lines: 24 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Morrison" wrote: > I gather there's no code in the ROM to dump the ROM out? That's right. At least a way has not been found yet, without desoldering the chip, or doing other board surgery. There is really no reason that the manufacturer would ever need to dump the rom, so the function is not there. That makes it more dificult to interface to the existing code, but not impossible. I expect that before long we will be able to load and run our own code in all except the 350's. (Not that it would be impossible, just that as far as I know, nobody is even working on the 350.) -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59027 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2005 18:16:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2005 18:16:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.24) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2005 18:16:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 2685 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2005 18:16:50 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 9 Apr 2005 18:16:50 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 11:18:01 -0700 Message-Id: <1113070681.3258.324.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 3744 Lines: 95 On Sat, 2005-04-09 at 11:06 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > > --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "John R. Hogerhuis" > wrote: > > > Hmm... what version is in the 150? Mine is something like 4.x. > > It was 4.somethin D, but it's kind of hard to tell now! :-) > I have another that is 4.05D, so I imagine that first one was, too. > > > Anyway, I guess the good news is the reflash code is there, so > > at least they can talk. Just need to remove the debugger's > > dependency on the boot rom. > > Right, it does seem to use the same reflash protocol. > > I have been thinking about just how to organize the next version > of the mbug/mboot code. (mboot is what I have been calling the > code that gets flashed into the ms codeflash, mbug is code that is > loaded into ms RAM via laplink, and mailbug is what I am calling > the debugger that runs on the PC at the other end of the laplink.) > OK, I'll try to use those names. > It seems it would be good to minimize the number of times you had > to risk losing access when flashing new code, but it would be nice > to be able to make changes, too. > Yeah, most systems I've worked on have a boot sector/loader that almost never changes. Comes up in bootloader, looks around a flash file system for the application, loads it to RAM, checksums it, and if its OK, jumps to it. You have to add some kind of override... keyboard in our case, that allows you to erase a bad application, so that you don't get into a bad situation if the application is 'bad' even though the checksum is ok. > The old code does this by loading the latest version into ram from > the PC host. (Which also means you need the PC attached whenever > you reboot the mailstation.) > > But eventually it would be nice to be able to run without the > PC/laplink. > Yes a a simple standalone debugger would be nice. Another possibility is to integrate this Forth interpreter: http://www.zetetics.com/camel/ Then high level code can be written on the MS itself, a simple Forth assembler could be integrated, etc. To adapt a Forth usually all you have to do is adapt KEY and EMIT to the system so you do I/O. If we want to run the Forth directly from ROM rather than RAM, we might be able to get some pointers from the Z88 CamelForth project since it can run directly from ROM. > I am thinking that the next step might be a simple ROM monitor that > would let you run code at arbitrary locations in the codeflash, from > the ms keyboard, as well as connecting to the PC based debugger. > > And to allow you to develop new versions of the monitor, and flash > them without the white knuckles, that it would be seperated into > two parts. The first would go in page #00 and remain unchanged > mostly. It would be able to automatically jump into the second > stage, which would be in a higher page that was eraseable separately > from the first stage. > Yeah a simple boot loader that can either find a second stage and checksum it, or load and checksum an app directly to RAM if the second stage either doesn't checksum or the user intervenes. I guess MBUG qualifies as a loadable app, and mboot is the boot loader. Mailbug is pretty much your typical target debugger. But if we can get Forth loaded on there as the loaded app, I think it might be cool to develop new code right on MS. > Then, if (or should I say when!) you hosed that second stage with a > careless change, you could hold a key on the ms keyboard while > rebooting it. That would make the first stage skip the auto-jump, > and instead let you load mbug into ram, so you could fix the second > stage with the debugger. > Yep. With the addition that we should probably checksum the second stage. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: apple2ebeige@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33800 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2005 18:28:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2005 18:28:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2005 18:28:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2005 18:28:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2005 18:28:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 18:28:18 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "apple2ebeige" Subject: Newbie: MS120 From OfficeMax X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=178882009 X-Yahoo-Profile: apple2ebeige Status: RO Content-Length: 310 Lines: 21 The LCD says "Mailstation 120"; on the back "MIVO 200 DET2". None of the keyboard tricks I'm reading about seem to work. Pressing SHIFT+FUNCTION+T and powering on doesn't do anything. Am I doing something wrong? Is there a FAQ? Is there a "better" (more hackable) model to look for? Thanks. -Dave From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: japes_98@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18729 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 01:10:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2005 01:10:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30801.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.144) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2005 01:10:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 96499 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Apr 2005 01:10:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Message-ID: <20050417011026.96497.qmail@...> Received: from [67.164.7.200] by web30801.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 18:10:26 PDT Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 18:10:26 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: JP Lester Subject: Re: [mailstation] Newbie: MS120 From OfficeMax X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21661299 X-Yahoo-Profile: japes_98 Status: RO Content-Length: 660 Lines: 45 I'm a newb also and just bought this same MS120. Mine is blueish, and from what I've been reading these unfortunately don't appear to be hackable. -jp --- apple2ebeige wrote: > > > The LCD says "Mailstation 120"; on the back "MIVO > 200 DET2". > > None of the keyboard tricks I'm reading about seem > to work. > > Pressing SHIFT+FUNCTION+T and powering on doesn't do > anything. > > Am I doing something wrong? > > Is there a FAQ? > > Is there a "better" (more hackable) model to look > for? > > Thanks. > > -Dave > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > mailstation-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29739 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 01:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2005 01:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.220) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2005 01:53:20 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.4.224]) by priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050417015319.ZBYF24710.priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 19:53:19 -0600 Message-ID: <00db01c542f0$3a84e7a0$e00474ce@...> To: References: <20050417011026.96497.qmail@...> Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 18:52:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Newbie: MS120 From OfficeMax X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 416 Lines: 18 ----- Original Message ----- From: "JP Lester" > I'm a newb also and just bought this same MS120. Mine > is blueish, and from what I've been reading these > unfortunately don't appear to be hackable. > > -jp The very best ones are the Mivo 100 with the Yahoo! function in the Menu. See http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5767182298 - note the Yahoo! second from the right. NM From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: apple2ebeige@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99593 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 02:13:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2005 02:13:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2005 02:13:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2005 02:13:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2005 02:13:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 02:13:25 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050417011026.96497.qmail@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "apple2ebeige" Subject: Re: Newbie: MS120 From OfficeMax X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=178882009 X-Yahoo-Profile: apple2ebeige Status: RO Content-Length: 438 Lines: 24 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, JP Lester wrote: > I'm a newb also and just bought this same MS120. Mine > is blueish, and from what I've been reading these > unfortunately don't appear to be hackable. > > -jp Bummer. Can these be used with mailbug? Do *any* of the key sequences work? FWIW, I ran back to the store and also nabbed an MS150 (Earthlink). Seems to suffer the same problems. Thanks. -Dave From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21351 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 02:24:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2005 02:24:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.223) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2005 02:24:00 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.4.224]) by priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050417022359.QBIQ23101.priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 20:23:59 -0600 Message-ID: <00e301c542f4$82f3db00$e00474ce@...> To: References: Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 19:15:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Newbie: MS120 From OfficeMax X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 345 Lines: 16 ----- Original Message ----- From: "apple2ebeige" > Do *any* of the key sequences work? > > FWIW, I ran back to the store and also nabbed an MS150 (Earthlink). Seems to suffer > the same problems. I believe that Earthlink 'locked' them to prevent changing ISPs. Until we can dump and/or alter the ROM we are stuck. NM From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50493 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 02:47:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2005 02:47:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.25) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2005 02:47:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 23685 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 02:47:23 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 17 Apr 2005 02:47:23 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 19:48:41 -0700 Message-Id: <1113706121.25892.484.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Newbie: MS120 From OfficeMax X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 434 Lines: 13 My guess is that the 150 will work with Mailbug, the remote debugger soon (CJ has verified that it doesn't work yet, but the reflash protocol is the same... that's good luck). So once that is all working, you could conceivably load whatever software you want on it including a hacked version of the software (or an older rev might do what you need too). Are you planning to use it just for email, or for something else? -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: bmragle@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12118 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 04:47:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2005 04:47:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2005 04:47:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2005 04:47:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2005 04:47:31 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 04:47:30 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "bmragle" Subject: MS 150 for $9 at OfficeMax...questions, naturally X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=221530630 X-Yahoo-Profile: bmragle Status: RO Content-Length: 217 Lines: 9 Got one for the Dad and will go back for another for general hobby interests if anyone has succeeded in hacking these little buggers. Scoured the net and this forum to no avail. Am I missing something obvious? From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23355 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 05:30:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2005 05:30:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.223) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2005 05:30:43 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.4.224]) by priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050417053042.TQNX12083.priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 23:30:42 -0600 Message-ID: <026a01c5430e$96eacaa0$e00474ce@...> To: References: Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 22:29:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] MS 150 for $9 at OfficeMax...questions, naturally X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 377 Lines: 15 ----- Original Message ----- From: "bmragle" > Got one for the Dad and will go back for another for general hobby > interests if anyone has succeeded in hacking these little buggers. > Scoured the net and this forum to no avail. Am I missing something > obvious? We need someone who can dump the ROM - need a ROM burner/reader and the right adaptor. Neil From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: apple2ebeige@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23843 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 16:00:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2005 16:00:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2005 16:00:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2005 16:00:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.61] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2005 16:00:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 16:00:08 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1113706121.25892.484.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "apple2ebeige" Subject: Re: Newbie: MS120 From OfficeMax X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=178882009 X-Yahoo-Profile: apple2ebeige Status: RO Content-Length: 633 Lines: 22 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > My guess is that the 150 will work with Mailbug, the remote debugger > soon (CJ has verified that it doesn't work yet, but the reflash protocol > is the same... that's good luck). > > So once that is all working, you could conceivably load whatever > software you want on it including a hacked version of the software (or > an older rev might do what you need too). > > Are you planning to use it just for email, or for something else? > > -- John. I think the MS would make the coolest little Forth machine, kind of a Jupiter Ace 2005. -Dave From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9546 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 16:59:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2005 16:59:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.24) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2005 16:59:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 11519 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 16:59:18 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 17 Apr 2005 16:59:18 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 09:59:19 -0700 Message-Id: <1113757159.25892.533.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Newbie: MS120 From OfficeMax X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 479 Lines: 21 On Sun, 2005-04-17 at 16:00 +0000, apple2ebeige wrote: > I think the MS would make the coolest little Forth machine, kind of a > Jupiter Ace 2005. > > -Dave > > I agree! I've made similar noises here but done nothing about it (too many projects). How about porting Z80 CamelForth to the ms? I'm guessing it's one or two weekends of work, and then the MS is stand-alone programmable, we could even put the editor and assembler in ROM along with the Forth core. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35452 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 17:17:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2005 17:17:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2005 17:17:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2005 17:17:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2005 17:17:24 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 17:17:23 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1113757159.25892.533.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Newbie: MS120 From OfficeMax X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 288 Lines: 15 > How about porting Z80 CamelForth to the ms? > > I'm guessing it's one or two weekends of work, and then the MS is > stand-alone programmable, we could even put the editor and assembler > in ROM along with the Forth core. Does CamelForth need a file system underneath it? -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: apple2ebeige@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47601 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 18:18:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2005 18:18:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2005 18:18:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2005 18:18:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2005 18:18:55 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 18:18:53 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "apple2ebeige" Subject: Re: Newbie: MS120 From OfficeMax X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=178882009 X-Yahoo-Profile: apple2ebeige Status: RO Content-Length: 552 Lines: 26 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Cyrano Jones" wrote: > > > How about porting Z80 CamelForth to the ms? > > > > I'm guessing it's one or two weekends of work, and then the MS is > > stand-alone programmable, we could even put the editor and assembler > > in ROM along with the Forth core. > > Does CamelForth need a file system underneath it? > > -- > CJ I don't think so. Here's a good page: http://www.hytherion.com/beattidp/comput/z80forth.htm There's a reference to a Z180 port that is standalone. -Dave From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8249 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 19:39:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2005 19:39:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.26) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2005 19:39:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 31253 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 19:39:27 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 17 Apr 2005 19:39:27 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 12:39:29 -0700 Message-Id: <1113766770.25892.552.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Newbie: MS120 From OfficeMax X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 1197 Lines: 35 On Sun, 2005-04-17 at 17:17 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > > > How about porting Z80 CamelForth to the ms? > > > > I'm guessing it's one or two weekends of work, and then the MS is > > stand-alone programmable, we could even put the editor and > assembler > > in ROM along with the Forth core. > > Does CamelForth need a file system underneath it? > No. The kernel gets flashed to ROM, then you interface with it over the parallel port, (we'd need some kind of terminal program that talks over parallel port on the DOS side) creating new definitions as you play. In fact, traditionally Forth implements a "BLOCKS" wordset where whatever storage you've got is divided into 64 X 16 blocks. So in a way, classic Forth comes with its own file system approach that could be used. I'm sure someone has done something to make a BLOCKS wordset that works well with industrial flash chips (i.e. tries not to rewrite the same blocks all the time). Intro information on Forth: http://home.iae.nl/users/mhx/sf.html http://thinking-forth.sourceforge.net (I helped to create the PDF) (Note these cover older vintages of Forth, so many words are different, but the core ideas are the same). -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43724 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 19:50:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2005 19:50:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.240) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2005 19:50:00 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.4.224]) by priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050417194959.NAGB27304.priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Sun, 17 Apr 2005 13:49:59 -0600 Message-ID: <003d01c54386$a13aef80$e00474ce@...> To: References: Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 12:46:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Newbie: MS120 From OfficeMax X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 395 Lines: 16 ----- Original Message ----- From: "apple2ebeige" > I think the MS would make the coolest little Forth machine, kind of a Jupiter Ace 2005. > > -Dave My hope is to turn it into a 'Super' Radio Shack Model 100 laptop. BTW, looking on the Earthlink site it looks like they are not selling the Mivo anymore. If they opened it up they could get more than $9 for them! Neil From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77118 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 20:59:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2005 20:59:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.26) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2005 20:59:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 31172 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 20:59:32 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 17 Apr 2005 20:59:32 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003d01c54386$a13aef80$e00474ce@...> References: <003d01c54386$a13aef80$e00474ce@...> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 13:59:35 -0700 Message-Id: <1113771576.25892.559.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Newbie: MS120 From OfficeMax X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 505 Lines: 16 On Sun, 2005-04-17 at 12:46 -0700, Neil Morrison wrote: > My hope is to turn it into a 'Super' Radio Shack Model 100 laptop. The thought has occurred to me... how are we going to do that without battery backed RAM? I guess when we power down, we could write the RAM image to flash. That's if the "power" button is pressed. But what if we get a hard power failure... (no batteries, and DC adapter is pulled out, or batteries die) I'm guessing there wouldn't be enough time to write it out. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95449 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2005 01:09:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2005 01:09:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2005 01:09:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2005 01:09:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2005 01:09:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 01:09:10 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1113771576.25892.559.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Newbie: MS120 From OfficeMax X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 698 Lines: 23 > > My hope is to turn it into a 'Super' Radio Shack Model 100 laptop. > > > The thought has occurred to me... how are we going to do that > without battery backed RAM? I guess when we power down, we could > write the RAM image to flash. That's if the "power" button is > pressed. But what if we get a hard power failure... (no batteries, > and DC adapter is pulled out, or batteries die) I'm guessing there > wouldn't be enough time to write it out. The ms RAM stays powered from the batteries when the power is switched off via the power button. Would that be enough? (It doesn't seem like too much of a hardship to keep batteries in it if you need battery-backed RAM! :-) -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31707 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2005 01:32:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2005 01:32:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.24) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2005 01:32:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 5814 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2005 01:32:21 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 18 Apr 2005 01:32:21 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 18:32:27 -0700 Message-Id: <1113787947.25892.580.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Newbie: MS120 From OfficeMax X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 1635 Lines: 41 On Mon, 2005-04-18 at 01:09 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > > > > My hope is to turn it into a 'Super' Radio Shack Model 100 laptop. > > > > > > The thought has occurred to me... how are we going to do that > > without battery backed RAM? I guess when we power down, we could > > write the RAM image to flash. That's if the "power" button is > > pressed. But what if we get a hard power failure... (no batteries, > > and DC adapter is pulled out, or batteries die) I'm guessing there > > wouldn't be enough time to write it out. > > The ms RAM stays powered from the batteries when the power > is switched off via the power button. Would that be enough? > Ah, didn't realize that. I figured it stored all files on flash, so why would it battery back the RAM? Anyway that's good news (to me). > (It doesn't seem like too much of a hardship to keep batteries > in it if you need battery-backed RAM! :-) Yes I suppose that's true. But the Model 100 has a nicad soldered to the motherboard. It almost never gets used, spending most of its time fully charged off either the battery or the wall cube. So if you leave an M100 on the shelf, the main batteries will die. But months later you turn the thing on and all your files are still there! Unlike say the Cambridge Z88, which doesn't have a battery backup but just a capacitor similar to the way a Palm Pilot works. It's hard to get the batteries changed in the short period of time you have from the warning, especially if you're using rechargeables. On an M100 you have a very long time before the memory will die even with a warning and dead main batteries. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: apple2ebeige@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45651 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2005 01:40:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2005 01:40:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2005 01:40:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2005 01:40:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2005 01:40:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 01:40:41 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00e301c542f4$82f3db00$e00474ce@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "apple2ebeige" Subject: Re: Newbie: MS120 From OfficeMax X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=178882009 X-Yahoo-Profile: apple2ebeige Status: RO Content-Length: 599 Lines: 28 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Morrison" wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "apple2ebeige" > > > Do *any* of the key sequences work? > > > > FWIW, I ran back to the store and also nabbed an MS150 (Earthlink). Seems > to suffer > > the same problems. > > I believe that Earthlink 'locked' them to prevent changing ISPs. Until we > can dump and/or alter the ROM we are stuck. > > NM OK, if I unsolder the TSOP part (29F080?), can somebody read it out? In the photos section there's a picture of an adaptor(?) Thanks. -Dave From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1260 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2005 02:40:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2005 02:40:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.224) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2005 02:40:46 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.4.224]) by priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050418024046.ZBUQ27855.priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Sun, 17 Apr 2005 20:40:46 -0600 Message-ID: <024d01c543bf$fe69faa0$e00474ce@...> To: References: Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 19:36:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Newbie: MS120 From OfficeMax X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 328 Lines: 15 It takes considerable skill to desolder these without zapping them. But you can read them while still in the unit. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "apple2ebeige" > OK, if I unsolder the TSOP part (29F080?), can somebody read it out? In the photos section > there's a picture of an adaptor(?) From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96980 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2005 02:40:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2005 02:40:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.224) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2005 02:40:52 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.4.224]) by priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050418024040.ZBQG27855.priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Sun, 17 Apr 2005 20:40:40 -0600 Message-ID: <024c01c543bf$fb56a020$e00474ce@...> To: References: <1113787947.25892.580.camel@aragorn> Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 19:35:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] MS120 From OfficeMax X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 402 Lines: 17 The flash works well. I bought one on eBay - still had some of the owner's files in it. I stored it for a few months with no power. Plugged it in and the files are still there. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Hogerhuis" > Ah, didn't realize that. I figured it stored all files on flash, so why > would it battery back the RAM? > > Anyway that's good news (to me). From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: RandyProthero@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39481 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2005 14:28:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2005 14:28:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailman.corsof.com) (198.22.44.245) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2005 14:28:37 -0000 Received: from mailman.corsof.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by newmail.corsof.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E1AE14157 for ; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 10:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RANDY.nashua.corsof.com (randy.nashua.corsof.com [10.1.70.53]) by mailman.corsof.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AD9F1414A for ; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 10:28:36 -0400 (EDT) To: "mailstation@yahoogroups.com" Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 10:29:05 -0500 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2717) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195;2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050418142836.4AD9F1414A@...> X-Antivirus: Scanned by F-Prot Antivirus (http://www.f-prot.com) X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Randy Prothero" Subject: Steps to change ISP information for MS120 (includes earthlink flavor) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=221665753 X-Yahoo-Profile: rcilink Status: RO Content-Length: 1117 Lines: 23 >I believe that Earthlink 'locked' them to prevent changing ISPs. Until we >can dump and/or alter the ROM we are stuck. I have the MS120 (same one from Office Max for $9) and have success in unlocking it. To do it: 1. Remove batteries - they must be out to do this! 2. Prepare AC adapter for use to power the mailstation. You will need to be able to quickly and easily disconnect it.. 3. press (and hold) [FUNCTION] [SHIFT] [D] and power on. A menu should appear. 4. Select *Restore Email Defaults" from the menu. Press Enter. It will prompt "are you sure? YES / NO" 5. As soon as you press YES, you need to quickly interrupt the power to the unit-- corrupting the user account information in flash. ** Step #5 takes some tries-- dont give up, keep trying! 6. If you got it right, you can power up and select "NO Clear" (if a menu appears) and you should see "Press OK to configure a user account" 7. Once you press Enter, you will get to put in the login info (name/password, etc) .. Sadly, you must go thru this to change it after, so let someone patient do it for you.. I have done it, and it works! From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: japes_98@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18181 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2005 15:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2005 15:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.151) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2005 15:34:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 5984 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Apr 2005 15:34:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Message-ID: <20050418153409.5982.qmail@...> Received: from [67.164.7.200] by web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 08:34:08 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 08:34:08 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: JP Lester Subject: Re: [mailstation] Steps to change ISP information for MS120 (includes earthlink flavor) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21661299 X-Yahoo-Profile: japes_98 Status: RO Content-Length: 1397 Lines: 56 Unfortunately, this doesn't work for my blue one.. -jp --- Randy Prothero wrote: > > >I believe that Earthlink 'locked' them to prevent > changing ISPs. Until we > >can dump and/or alter the ROM we are stuck. > > I have the MS120 (same one from Office Max for $9) > and have success in unlocking it. > > To do it: > > 1. Remove batteries - they must be out to do this! > 2. Prepare AC adapter for use to power the > mailstation. You will need to be able to quickly > and easily disconnect it.. > 3. press (and hold) [FUNCTION] [SHIFT] [D] and power > on. A menu should appear. > 4. Select *Restore Email Defaults" from the menu. > Press Enter. It will prompt "are you sure? YES / NO" > 5. As soon as you press YES, you need to quickly > interrupt the power to the unit-- corrupting the > user account information in flash. > ** Step #5 takes some tries-- dont give up, keep > trying! > 6. If you got it right, you can power up and select > "NO Clear" (if a menu appears) and you should see > "Press OK to configure a user account" > 7. Once you press Enter, you will get to put in the > login info (name/password, etc) .. > > Sadly, you must go thru this to change it after, so > let someone patient do it for you.. I have done it, > and it works! > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > mailstation-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: gaylejanzen@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 464 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2005 19:26:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2005 19:26:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53103.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.206) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2005 19:26:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 38544 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Apr 2005 19:26:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Message-ID: <20050418192614.38542.qmail@...> Received: from [68.112.106.191] by web53103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 12:26:14 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 12:26:14 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2043843726-1113852374=:38385" X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Gayle Janzen Subject: Re: [mailstation] Steps to change ISP information for MS120 (includes earthlink flavor) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=221440080 X-Yahoo-Profile: gaylejanzen Status: RO Content-Length: 4848 Lines: 88 --0-2043843726-1113852374=:38385 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I tried at least a dozen times, it didn't work on my MS 120 which I bought last week at Office Max for $9.00. Thankfully I have a HP 648 printer at home so I can use it for a word processor which was the main reason I bought it BUT...I got sucked in by all the attempts to hack this little thing. What's most frustrating is to think there's probably an executive somewhere laughing his head off at us. JP Lester wrote:Unfortunately, this doesn't work for my blue one.. -jp --- Randy Prothero wrote: > > >I believe that Earthlink 'locked' them to prevent > changing ISPs. Until we > >can dump and/or alter the ROM we are stuck. > > I have the MS120 (same one from Office Max for $9) > and have success in unlocking it. > > To do it: > > 1. Remove batteries - they must be out to do this! > 2. Prepare AC adapter for use to power the > mailstation. You will need to be able to quickly > and easily disconnect it.. > 3. press (and hold) [FUNCTION] [SHIFT] [D] and power > on. A menu should appear. > 4. Select *Restore Email Defaults" from the menu. > Press Enter. It will prompt "are you sure? YES / NO" > 5. As soon as you press YES, you need to quickly > interrupt the power to the unit-- corrupting the > user account information in flash. > ** Step #5 takes some tries-- dont give up, keep > trying! > 6. If you got it right, you can power up and select > "NO Clear" (if a menu appears) and you should see > "Press OK to configure a user account" > 7. Once you press Enter, you will get to put in the > login info (name/password, etc) .. > > Sadly, you must go thru this to change it after, so > let someone patient do it for you.. I have done it, > and it works! > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > mailstation-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: mailstation-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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I tried at least a dozen times, it didn't work on my MS 120 which I bought last week at Office Max for $9.00. Thankfully I have a HP 648 printer at home so I can use it for a word processor which was the main reason I bought it BUT...I got sucked in by all the attempts to hack this little thing. What's most frustrating is to think there's probably an executive somewhere laughing his head off at us.

JP Lester wrote:
Unfortunately, this doesn't work for my blue one..

-jp
--- Randy Prothero
wrote:
>
> >I believe that Earthlink 'locked' them to prevent
> changing ISPs. Until we
> >can dump and/or alter the ROM we are stuck.
>
> I have the MS120 (same one from Office Max for $9)
> and have success in unlocking it.
>
> To do it:
>
> 1. Remove batteries - they must be out to do this!
> 2. Prepare AC adapter for use to power the
> mailstation.  You will need to be able to quickly
> and easily disconnect it..
> 3. press (and hold) [FUNCTION] [SHIFT] [D] and power
> on.  A menu should appear.
> 4. Select *Restore Email Defaults" from the menu.
> Press Enter. It will prompt "are you sure? YES / NO"
> 5. As soon as you press YES, you need to quickly
> interrupt the power to the unit-- corrupting the
> user account information in flash.
> ** Step #5 takes some tries-- dont give up, keep
> trying!
> 6. If you got it right, you can power up and select
> "NO Clear" (if a menu appears) and you should see
> "Press OK to configure a user account"
> 7. Once you press Enter, you will get to put in the
> login info (name/password, etc) ..
>
> Sadly, you must go thru this to change it after, so
> let someone patient do it for you.. I have done it,
> and it works!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>     mailstation-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> 
>
>
>
>

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-2043843726-1113852374=:38385-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60359 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2005 21:04:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2005 21:04:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.26) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2005 21:04:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 17948 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2005 21:04:27 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 18 Apr 2005 21:04:27 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20050418192614.38542.qmail@...> References: <20050418192614.38542.qmail@...> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 14:04:42 -0700 Message-Id: <1113858282.25892.651.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Steps to change ISP information for MS120 (includes earthlink flavor) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 563 Lines: 16 On Mon, 2005-04-18 at 12:26 -0700, Gayle Janzen wrote: > I tried at least a dozen times, it didn't work on my MS 120 which I > bought last week at Office Max for $9.00. Thankfully I have a HP 648 > printer at home so I can use it for a word processor which was the > main reason I bought it BUT...I got sucked in by all the attempts to > hack this little thing. What's most frustrating is to think there's > probably an executive somewhere laughing his head off at us. > Attempts? It's already hacked. We just need to put something useful on it... -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: spamtrap@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26810 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2005 14:23:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2005 14:23:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2005 14:23:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2005 14:21:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.93] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2005 14:21:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:21:34 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "afcblink" Subject: Noob ?'s--How is HTML handled? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215505094 X-Yahoo-Profile: afcblink Status: RO Content-Length: 357 Lines: 10 I, too, couldn't pass up a $9.00 MS120. I bought it not to hack, but to give to my Dad. My concern is that it can't handle HTML, which is how nearly everyone sends stuff nowadays, even when they don't need it. Are the HTML markups stripped, or does all the ugly HTML code show up? If that's the case I won't spend the money to sign up for the serivce. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26661 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2005 06:00:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2005 06:00:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.240) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2005 06:00:20 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.4.224]) by priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050420060018.BFSL10662.priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 00:00:18 -0600 Message-ID: <00fe01c5456e$394b9160$e00474ce@...> To: References: Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:52:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Noob ?'s--How is HTML handled? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 644 Lines: 17 ----- Original Message ----- From: "afcblink" > I, too, couldn't pass up a $9.00 MS120. I bought it not to hack, but > to give to my Dad. My concern is that it can't handle HTML, which is > how nearly everyone sends stuff nowadays, even when they don't need > it. Are the HTML markups stripped, or does all the ugly HTML code show > up? If that's the case I won't spend the money to sign up for the serivce. The service may strip the HTML but the machine won't. The service may be rather expensive and I'm not sure how long it will be available. However a lot of the USA doesn't have high speed access so for now ... Neil From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41523 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2005 21:35:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2005 21:35:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2005 21:35:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2005 21:34:55 -0000 Received: from [209.73.170.215] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2005 21:34:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 21:34:54 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "jhogerhuis" Subject: CamelForth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 1688 Lines: 44 Well as a proof of concept I ported CamelForth to the Tandy WP-2, a Z80 based word processor, not too different from the MS. I did the WP-2 since I've been planning it for a while and it has a built in serial-connected disk driver that I happen to have a good emulator for. I had to do a few things: a) Use the Z180 port of CamelForth, since it can compile with the Zilog assembler/linker. The original Z80 CamelForth is compatible with some CP/M assembler. b) Remove hardware specific stuff in the Z180 port. Nothing difficult, just deleting some things. c) Create a WP-2 compatible "header" for the file. d) Implement EMIT, KEY, and KEY? EMIT outputs a character to the terminal, KEY blocks reading a character from the terminal, and KEY? just scans for the currently depressed key. e) Use the HEX2BIN utility of sourceforge to convert Intel hex to binary. f) Load it up and test my implementations of EMIT, KEY, and KEY? Anyway, it works! The MS shouldn't be too different, at least if we are using its routines. But for stand-alone (ie no dependence on Cidco code) we'd need a little bit more, since we'd be generating characters ourselves, and we'd have to do all the bootloader stuff. But it might be easier to experiment with that kind of thing if we just get CamelForth booting first, then we can play with all the hardware interactively. I have some ideas for a simple flash file system if we get tired of loading code at the keyboard or over the parallel port. CamelForth is about 6K, there are instructions burning it to ROM available (so it doesn't create any variables in program space). Or we could just load and run it in RAM for now via MAILBUG. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: udrdraco1@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61895 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2005 18:18:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2005 18:18:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2005 18:18:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2005 18:18:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2005 18:18:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 18:18:30 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "udrdraco1" Subject: deti1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159961399 X-Yahoo-Profile: udrdraco1 Status: RO Content-Length: 255 Lines: 9 Hey, I'm new here so plese forgive the noobiness. I just got a hold of a det1 mailstation, and I've been looking around for ways to hack it so I can use my own isp with it. I have no idea what Im supposed to do, so any info would be super awsome. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18686 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2005 18:44:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2005 18:44:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.25) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2005 18:44:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 469 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2005 18:44:36 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 23 Apr 2005 18:44:36 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 11:45:49 -0700 Message-Id: <1114281949.25892.1117.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] deti1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 536 Lines: 22 On Sat, 2005-04-23 at 18:18 +0000, udrdraco1 wrote: > > Hey, I'm new here so plese forgive the noobiness. I just got a hold > of > a det1 mailstation, and I've been looking around for ways to hack it > so I can use my own isp with it. I have no idea what Im supposed to > do, so any info would be super awsome. > > > > Yes you can do this. But this question is answered once a week, so please search the archive. Searching with the phrase "isp" or "my own isp" should do it... We really need to put a FAQ list... -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 83589 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2005 19:09:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2005 19:09:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2005 19:09:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2005 19:09:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.99] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2005 19:09:58 -0000 Date: 23 Apr 2005 19:09:56 -0000 Message-ID: <1114283396.255.25589.w127@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to mailstation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 509 Lines: 29 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the mailstation group. File : /Cracking Uploaded by : neils_morr Description : Some notes on different ISP use You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/files/Cracking To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, neils_morr From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90133 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2005 19:19:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2005 19:19:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.220) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2005 19:19:38 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.4.224]) by priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050423191938.SBFE9269.priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 13:19:38 -0600 Message-ID: <005f01c54839$63c7c760$e00474ce@...> To: References: <1114281949.25892.1117.camel@aragorn> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 12:10:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] deti1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 303 Lines: 16 I posted a file. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Hogerhuis" > Yes you can do this. But this question is answered once a week, so > please search the archive. Searching with the phrase "isp" or "my own > isp" should do it... > > We really need to put a FAQ list... From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: udrdraco1@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55799 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2005 19:25:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2005 19:25:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2005 19:25:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2005 19:25:01 -0000 Received: from [209.73.170.220] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2005 19:25:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 19:24:59 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1114281949.25892.1117.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "udrdraco1" Subject: Re: deti1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159961399 X-Yahoo-Profile: udrdraco1 Status: RO Content-Length: 1258 Lines: 41 Wooh, I was able to do it. My det1 succesfully logs into netzero. one problem though, when it tries to connect to the netzero mail server, it gets the error "the email service is busy or unavailable. please try again later." Same thing goes with my yahoo account. I'm pretty sure i put in the right pop3 and smtp adress. maybe its the fact that my email adress is .net, and the pop3 and smtp adresses are .com, though i dont think that's it. hmm... do you guys know of any free email places that work well with it? Oh and is the yahoo option functional at all? all i get is a clear screen. --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > On Sat, 2005-04-23 at 18:18 +0000, udrdraco1 wrote: > > > > Hey, I'm new here so plese forgive the noobiness. I just got a hold > > of > > a det1 mailstation, and I've been looking around for ways to hack it > > so I can use my own isp with it. I have no idea what Im supposed to > > do, so any info would be super awsome. > > > > > > > > > > Yes you can do this. But this question is answered once a week, so > please search the archive. Searching with the phrase "isp" or "my own > isp" should do it... > > We really need to put a FAQ list... > > -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7731 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2005 21:58:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2005 21:58:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.220) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2005 21:58:03 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.4.224]) by priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050423215802.GMDT772.priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 15:58:02 -0600 Message-ID: <02ca01c5484f$83df6880$e00474ce@...> To: References: Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 14:54:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: deti1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 341 Lines: 16 ----- Original Message ----- From: "udrdraco1" > Oh and is the yahoo option functional at all? all i get is a clear > screen. AFAIK they dumped the service after a year. I bought a used machine with two of the messages still inside - neat! I'd like to figure it out and 'fix' it to work again. Regards, Neil Morrison From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50733 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2005 01:28:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2005 01:28:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2005 01:28:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2005 01:28:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2005 01:28:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 01:28:08 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: CamelForth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 2054 Lines: 68 > Well as a proof of concept I ported CamelForth to the Tandy WP-2, a > Z80 based word processor, not too different from the MS. Cool! [...] > a) Use the Z180 port of CamelForth, since it can compile with the > Zilog assembler/linker. The original Z80 CamelForth is compatible > with some CP/M assembler. Does the z180 code run on a z80? If it does, what makes it a z180 port? Just curious. [...] > d) Implement EMIT, KEY, and KEY? EMIT outputs a character to the > terminal, KEY blocks reading a character from the terminal, and KEY? > just scans for the currently depressed key. Did you use existing terminal routines in the WP-2? So far, all I have found in ms is the raw scancode key buffer routines. Won't be "too hard" (heh, there I go again) to convert to ascii. On the output side it might be a little more work. I have some quick and dirty code that writes whole strings to LCD. I used the existing message display function from the update code. Its easy to set the line it writes on, but it always wants to write starting at the left edge of the screen. Probably the most straight forward way to do a better terminal would be to restore the font page in codeflash, and then use the LCD code in page #00 of the codeflash. But I don't know if there is a "text mode" cursor. Might have to keep track of that ourselves. > e) Use the HEX2BIN utility of sourceforge to convert Intel hex to > binary. Mailbug can load intel .hex files! :-) (It's one of the few thing that did work right in version posted. Is anyone waiting for the fixed version?) > f) Load it up and test my implementations of EMIT, KEY, and KEY? > > Anyway, it works! It's always fun when "it works"!!! [...] > I have some ideas for a simple flash file system if we > get tired of loading code at the keyboard or over the parallel port. Yeah, it seems like you would need to store your program files somewhere, even if the forth interpreter is in rom. And a text editor to write programs, or is that part of forth already? [...] -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43582 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2005 02:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2005 02:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2005 02:48:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2005 02:48:21 -0000 Received: from [209.73.170.217] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2005 02:48:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 02:48:20 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <02ca01c5484f$83df6880$e00474ce@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: deti1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 2492 Lines: 77 > > Oh and is the yahoo option functional at all? all i get is a clear > > screen. > > AFAIK they dumped the service after a year. I bought a used machine > with two of the messages still inside - neat! I'd like to figure it > out and 'fix' it to work again. I got a couple recently that have a "MyCIDCO" icon on the main menu. This must be a replacement for the "My Yahoo" function. One has TV listings & weather for Jan 6, 2005. The other had news, and something else, also from this year (I guess I erased it with the "flash test"). So, it would seem that Earthlink was still providing it in January. The info is stored in the first 8 pages of the dataflash, one page for each item in the sub-menu under mycidco. I just get a blank page now on the one I erased, with a "mycidco" tab at the top. But there used to be two icons on that page, and selecting one would display a page of data. The data for the page is stored as one big bitmap graphic. I don't think there is a lot of hope of using it as intended, without a mailstation account from Earthlink. Even if you could get the data into those pages (I suspect it uses the "clipmail" extensions to pop protocol), where would you get the data to load? But it might be a way to add some new functions to the ms menu. It doesn't have to be tv listing or news, it can be any code you want. I spliced some code into the eventhadler, and it runs whenever you select the icon, or any key is pressed, while viewing the associated data page. (I just made it blink the mail LED.) It probably won't look very good after yahoo smashes all the indenting out, but here is the format of each item/page: (try view source if reading this on website) 4000 C3 00 78 JP eventhandler 4003 64 40 DEFW icon ; icon location (in this page) 4005 0E 40 DEFW caption 4007 09 40 DEFW dunno dunno: 4009 00 .. 00 DEFB 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 caption: 400E 01 00 DEFW 1 ; num of strings??? lines??? 4010 0A 00 DEFW 10 ; num of chars 4012 06 00 DEFW 6 ; offset to first char of caption 4014 54 .. 67 DEFM "TV Listing" ;caption string 401E 00 .. 00 icon: 4064 AD 00 ;graphic data for icon, and data page, too. 4066 08 00 4068 43 10 406A B5 00 406C 22 00 406E 22 00 .... ..... 77FF 00 eventhandler: 7800 [code for eventhandler] .... 7FFF -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74009 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2005 02:54:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2005 02:54:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail28.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.30) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2005 02:54:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 16091 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2005 02:54:03 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail28.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 24 Apr 2005 02:54:03 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 19:55:20 -0700 Message-Id: <1114311320.25892.1138.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: CamelForth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 3639 Lines: 97 On Sun, 2005-04-24 at 01:28 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > > > Well as a proof of concept I ported CamelForth to the Tandy WP-2, a > > Z80 based word processor, not too different from the MS. > > Cool! > > [...] > > a) Use the Z180 port of CamelForth, since it can compile with the > > Zilog assembler/linker. The original Z80 CamelForth is compatible > > with some CP/M assembler. > > Does the z180 code run on a z80? If it does, what makes it a z180 > port? > Just curious. > I haven't seen anything special. The only thing about this port that I needed was that it assembles with the Zilog assembler/linker instead of some CP/M assembler/linker. Seems to run fine on a regular Z80 chip. > [...] > > d) Implement EMIT, KEY, and KEY? EMIT outputs a character to the > > terminal, KEY blocks reading a character from the terminal, and KEY? > > just scans for the currently depressed key. > > Did you use existing terminal routines in the WP-2? > Yes. And of course now I'm finding that the charout is buggy on some WP-2 ROMs when you get to the screen scroll. So I may have to do it myself at least for the last character on screen. > So far, all I have found in ms is the raw scancode key buffer > routines. > Won't be "too hard" (heh, there I go again) to convert to ascii. > Yeah that sounds like not a big deal. Are they even encoded? In the WP-2, for example, they are two bytes, one that has the ascii code and the other has bits set for various shift and function keys. > On the output side it might be a little more work. I have some > quick and dirty code that writes whole strings to LCD. I used > the existing message display function from the update code. > Its easy to set the line it writes on, but it always wants to write > starting at the left edge of the screen. > > Probably the most straight forward way to do a better > terminal would be to restore the font page in codeflash, > and then use the LCD code in page #00 of the codeflash. > But I don't know if there is a "text mode" cursor. Might > have to keep track of that ourselves. > Fixed width fonts aren't hard to make in any event. Better to use something without the Cidco copyright on it. At the momemnt cursor doesn't work all that well on WP-2, but I can get along ok without it. Will add one soon, just not my top priority. > > e) Use the HEX2BIN utility of sourceforge to convert Intel hex to > > binary. > > Mailbug can load intel .hex files! :-) > (It's one of the few thing that did work right in version posted. > Is anyone waiting for the fixed version?) > I'd like a new version :-) That's one of the reasons I've been poking around with WP-2 instead of MS, I know you said there are some bugs in the released code. > > I have some ideas for a simple flash file system if we > > get tired of loading code at the keyboard or over the parallel port. > > Yeah, it seems like you would need to store your program files > somewhere, even if the forth interpreter is in rom. And a text > editor to write programs, or is that part of forth already? > Good point on the editor... then WP-2 is a word processor in ROM so I get an editor for free. On the MS, once we get Forth loaded there are lots of block editors around, and I believe there are also full screen editors. I've seen at least one complete forth word processor source code, we could use that if can't find something smaller. In any event we could just redirect I/O to the parallel port and interact completely over a terminal session. Then to upload code just use the terminal program. Then we could bootstrap our way to a filesystem. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: geraldjones1234@... 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And what is the scoop on changeing the rom. Please say in basis easy to understand terms. Gerald From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1625 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2005 22:53:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2005 22:53:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.29) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2005 22:53:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 1724 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2005 22:53:44 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 24 Apr 2005 22:53:44 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 15:53:48 -0700 Message-Id: <1114383228.25892.1229.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] New to all this X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 829 Lines: 26 Hi Gerald, On Sun, 2005-04-24 at 21:38 +0000, geraldjones1234 wrote: > > can mailstation be "reset" to use another IP like dialup roadrunner > and Yes. See "Cracking" in the files section of the mailstation Yahoo group > receive email and can It surf the web. And what is the scoop on There is no web browser built-in to the mailstation, just a mail client. Maybe eventually we'll be able to do text mode browsing. > changeing the rom. Please say in basis easy to understand terms. > As far as changing the ROM, this feature is just for developers right now. So if you want to write experimental programs for the DET-1 in assembly language, this can be useful and the tools are in the Files section (Mailbug), However, there's nothing significant for end users to load on the MS yet, hopefully soon though. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... 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See the links too. NM ----- Original Message ----- From: "geraldjones1234" > can mailstation be "reset" to use another IP like dialup roadrunner and > receive email and can It surf the web. And what is the scoop on > changeing the rom. Please say in basis easy to understand terms. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc_italian2000@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22573 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2005 14:37:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2005 14:37:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60507.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.116.128) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2005 14:37:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 29665 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Apr 2005 14:37:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Message-ID: <20050425143751.29663.qmail@...> Received: from [208.24.179.11] by web60507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 07:37:50 PDT Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 07:37:50 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-93064042-1114439870=:28722" X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: charles gordon Subject: Re: [mailstation] New to all this X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184244975 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc_italian2000 Status: RO Content-Length: 1698 Lines: 41 --0-93064042-1114439870=:28722 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii what model do you have, the earlier ones are pretty easy to change the domain info. geraldjones1234 wrote: can mailstation be "reset" to use another IP like dialup roadrunner and receive email and can It surf the web. And what is the scoop on changeing the rom. Please say in basis easy to understand terms. 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what model do you have,  the earlier ones are pretty easy to change the domain info.

geraldjones1234 wrote:

can mailstation be "reset" to use another IP like dialup roadrunner and
receive email and can It surf the web. And what is the scoop on
changeing the rom. Please say in basis easy to understand terms.

Gerald



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Until we > >can dump and/or alter the ROM we are stuck. > > I have the MS120 (same one from Office Max for $9) and have success in unlocking it. > > To do it: > > 1. Remove batteries - they must be out to do this! > 2. Prepare AC adapter for use to power the mailstation. You will need to be able to quickly and easily disconnect it.. > 3. press (and hold) [FUNCTION] [SHIFT] [D] and power on. A menu should appear. > 4. Select *Restore Email Defaults" from the menu. Press Enter. It will prompt "are you sure? YES / NO" > 5. As soon as you press YES, you need to quickly interrupt the power to the unit-- corrupting the user account information in flash. > ** Step #5 takes some tries-- dont give up, keep trying! > 6. If you got it right, you can power up and select "NO Clear" (if a menu appears) and you should see "Press OK to configure a user account" > 7. Once you press Enter, you will get to put in the login info (name/password, etc) .. > > Sadly, you must go thru this to change it after, so let someone patient do it for you.. I have done it, and it works! From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: geraldjones1234@... 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Gerald --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, charles gordon wrote: > what model do you have, the earlier ones are pretty easy to change the domain info. > > geraldjones1234 wrote: > can mailstation be "reset" to use another IP like dialup roadrunner and > receive email and can It surf the web. And what is the scoop on > changeing the rom. Please say in basis easy to understand terms. > > Gerald > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > mailstation-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: geraldjones1234@... 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And what is the scoop on > > changeing the rom. Please say in basis easy to understand terms. > > > > Gerald > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/ > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > mailstation-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: gaylejanzen@... 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I am baffled...I do the whole [FUNCTION] [SHIFT] [D] and power on thing and still get the main menu. I have an ancient printer so it's working nice as an old time word processor.

 

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Every possible key combination that I have found posted has been tried with my 120 which uses version 4.04E. On the back of this BLUE machine it indicates it is a MIVO 200 DET2. All I want to do is change the email settings. Later.

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-2038647301-1114800360=:80587-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50670 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2005 21:53:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2005 21:53:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2005 21:53:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2005 21:53:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2005 21:53:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 21:53:34 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: baffled is what baffled does X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 918 Lines: 33 > I think it is just [FUNCTION] [D] and [power on] > for the 150 & 120. Revise that to: [FUNCTION] [D] and [plug in power cord] *or* [FUNCTION] [D] and [press reset] The power button will not work (like it does to put older models in test mode). > You should get a menu, with > "reset default acct" as an option. > > Poking the reset button might be a lot easier than > pulling the power (and might even work with batteies in). > > After picking "reset default acct", you answer Y, and almost > immediately poke reset (or yank power cord). The trick is > to let it run just long enough to erase the old acct, but > not long enough to finish re-writing the default acct info. > > IIRC, it is only a fraction of a second between the "yes" > and when it writes the default account info, so the > "sweet spot" that you need to catch it at is *very* short. > You will likely need to try many times. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: gaylejanzen@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17576 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2005 22:22:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2005 22:22:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53101.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.204) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2005 22:22:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 29124 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Apr 2005 22:22:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Message-ID: <20050429222238.29122.qmail@...> Received: from [24.183.23.165] by web53101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:22:38 PDT Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:22:38 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1178575266-1114813358=:28786" X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Gayle Janzen Subject: Oh Yes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=221440080 X-Yahoo-Profile: gaylejanzen Status: RO Content-Length: 1236 Lines: 17 --0-1178575266-1114813358=:28786 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii IT WORKED IT WORKED...why this time after so many tries? I think I wasn't hitting the NO CLEAR on the final menu.Whatever...I think I'll stop and pick up a couple more for $9.00 just for the heck of it. THANK YOU THANK YOU and for all all the rest of you FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS to the LETTER. Thanks. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1178575266-1114813358=:28786 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

IT WORKED IT WORKED...why this time after so many tries? I think I wasn't hitting the NO CLEAR on the final menu.Whatever...I think I'll stop and pick up a couple more for $9.00 just for the heck of it. THANK YOU THANK YOU and for all all the rest of you FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS to the LETTER. Thanks.

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X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47555 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2005 22:23:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2005 22:23:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2005 22:23:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2005 22:23:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2005 22:23:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 22:23:18 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1114311320.25892.1138.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: CamelForth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 888 Lines: 29 > > Is anyone waiting for the fixed version?) > > I'd like a new version :-) That's one of the reasons I've > been poking around with WP-2 instead of MS, I know you > said there are some bugs in the released code. When I said that last Saturday, I thought it was ready... Then, before uploading, I thought I might actually test it! The new flash code was working "pretty good", but when flashing large blocks, it would sometimes get a timeout error. This was quite puzzling, because until then, the laplink code had been working flawlessly. It took me quite a while to figure out just *what* was happening, and then even longer to understand *why*. I'm pretty sure I have it fixed now. I will do some more testing tonight, and if all goes well, I'll upload it. (This is just a fix to ver 0.0.2, not the "next version", so it is still just for the older models.) -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: mikewarns@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86185 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2005 04:01:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2005 04:01:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2005 04:01:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 04:01:36 -0000 Received: from [209.73.170.222] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 04:01:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 04:01:35 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "mikewarns" Subject: Should I buy a 120 or 150? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91580299 X-Yahoo-Profile: mikewarns Status: RO Content-Length: 711 Lines: 16 If I want to hack it, that is. My Office Max has a pile of both so, after comparing appearance (identical), features (identical), and price (identical), I bought a 150 on its merits of having a bigger box and a higher model number. It's going off to Mom, anyway, if it passes the ease of use and setup tests (ie: my brother can set it up, a critical test since this is the guys who has caused Mom to not be on the internet because he can't manage to pull a busted modem and pop in a new one), but I want one for my own self to, you know, PLAY with. I searched this forum and found few clues to the difference beyond suspicions that it is in the software. Is one model better for hacking than the other? From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20870 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2005 04:08:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2005 04:08:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.24) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2005 04:08:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 18010 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2005 04:08:45 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 30 Apr 2005 04:08:45 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 21:09:51 -0700 Message-Id: <1114834191.25892.1615.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: CamelForth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 354 Lines: 13 On Fri, 2005-04-29 at 22:23 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > (This is just a fix to ver 0.0.2, not the "next version", so > it is still just for the older models.) So what are the changes to the new rev? Bugfixes only? In any event that should allow me to get CamelForth going. Might have to render characters myself, but that isn't too hard. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16318 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2005 06:27:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2005 06:27:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail21.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.23) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2005 06:27:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 820 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2005 06:27:59 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail21.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 30 Apr 2005 06:27:59 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 23:29:06 -0700 Message-Id: <1114842546.25892.1671.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Should I buy a 120 or 150? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 1337 Lines: 30 On Sat, 2005-04-30 at 04:01 +0000, mikewarns wrote: > If I want to hack it, that is. My Office Max has a pile of both so, > after comparing appearance (identical), features (identical), and > price (identical), I bought a 150 on its merits of having a bigger box > and a higher model number. It's going off to Mom, anyway, if it > passes the ease of use and setup tests (ie: my brother can set it up, > a critical test since this is the guys who has caused Mom to not be on > the internet because he can't manage to pull a busted modem and pop in > a new one), but I want one for my own self to, you know, PLAY with. > > I searched this forum and found few clues to the difference beyond > suspicions that it is in the software. Is one model better for > hacking than the other? > > I have a 150 and a DET-1. The 150 can probably be loaded with new software througn reflash on the parallel port since it uses the same protocol as the older units. Unfortunately there's nothing safe to flash to the 150 just yet. For the DET-1 there is though. Same goes for the 120 from what I understand. The problem at the moment isn't really the model # on the unit, it's the version of firmware that's installed on it. Some things have moved around in newer versions relative to where mboot expects things to be. Soon hopefully. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 49028 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2005 12:34:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2005 12:34:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2005 12:34:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 12:34:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 12:34:52 -0000 Date: 30 Apr 2005 12:34:51 -0000 Message-ID: <1114864491.7981.76959.w120@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to mailstation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 581 Lines: 28 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the mailstation group. File : /Mailbug/mailbug-0.0.2a.ZIP Uploaded by : cyranojones_lalp Description : Mailbug ver 0.0.2a - Mailstation debugger You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/files/Mailbug/mailbug-0.0.2a.ZIP To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, cyranojones_lalp From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36317 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2005 13:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2005 13:29:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2005 13:29:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 13:29:33 -0000 Received: from [209.73.170.223] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 13:29:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 13:29:32 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1114834191.25892.1615.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: CamelForth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 2124 Lines: 57 > > (This is just a fix to ver 0.0.2, not the "next version", so > > it is still just for the older models.) > > So what are the changes to the new rev? Bugfixes only? "load", "save" and "verify" should all work properly now. They each had the same problem with address calculations. (Apparently, when I modified them to use 32 bit address, I didn't really test the change.) Load only loads into RAM, but save should be able to save the protected pages of the codeflash to disk. Codeflash erase and write ("erase" & "zap") are working fine now, too. Writing codeflash is quite a bit slower now, due to the fact that flash algorithm runs on the PC now, not on the mailstation. It takes 35 seconds to flash a 16k page, versus 4.2 seconds with older method. I have another method in mind that would be much faster. (maybe in future revision???) After I figured out what was wrong with old method (using code in same rom you are writing is not allowed), I was gonna add flash erase and flash write commands into mbug. Then I realized that the flash algorithm could be implemented on either side of the laplink cable. So I moved it over to the mailbug side. It is slower now, because the flash commands have to be sent to the codeflash for each byte over the laplink. Most (all???) of the commands now can be cancelled with esc key. Several minor changes, that I can't think of right now. There is a new .zip file with (hopefully) all the files you need. You need at a minimum the new mailbug.exe, and the matching mbug.rom. They should work fine with the old mboot.rom if you already flashed it. You should be able to unzip it on top of the old files. I added scancode.hex, and a newer version of hello.rom. The "crunch.dat" file may be newer, too (not sure). crunch.dat holds the type info for the disassembler. I started making up some instructions for how to use it, but I haven't got very far with it yet. If anyone has questions, just ask. Oh, yeah, I added a "blank check" for codeflash, but forgot to add it to the menu. It's ctrl-b and it will prompt for which pages to check. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: apple2ebeige@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13067 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2005 16:21:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2005 16:21:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.60) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2005 16:21:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n31.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 16:21:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 16:21:15 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 16:21:15 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "apple2ebeige" Subject: Re: CamelForth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=178882009 X-Yahoo-Profile: apple2ebeige Status: RO Content-Length: 192 Lines: 12 Could somebody say what mailbug works with now amongst the various MSxx0, DETx, and firmware models? What models may work in the future? What models might never work? Thanks. -Dave From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98335 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2005 17:26:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2005 17:26:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.29) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2005 17:26:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 8994 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2005 17:26:39 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 30 Apr 2005 17:26:39 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 10:27:52 -0700 Message-Id: <1114882072.25892.1685.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: CamelForth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 2532 Lines: 61 On Sat, 2005-04-30 at 13:29 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > > > (This is just a fix to ver 0.0.2, not the "next version", so > > > it is still just for the older models.) > > > > So what are the changes to the new rev? Bugfixes only? > > "load", "save" and "verify" should all work properly now. They > each had the same problem with address calculations. (Apparently, > when I modified them to use 32 bit address, I didn't really test > the change.) Load only loads into RAM, but save should be able to > save the protected pages of the codeflash to disk. Cool. > Codeflash erase and write ("erase" & "zap") are working fine > now, too. Writing codeflash is quite a bit slower now, due > to the fact that flash algorithm runs on the PC now, not on > the mailstation. It takes 35 seconds to flash a 16k page, > versus 4.2 seconds with older method. I have another method > in mind that would be much faster. (maybe in future revision???) > > After I figured out what was wrong with old method (using code > in same rom you are writing is not allowed), I was gonna add > flash erase and flash write commands into mbug. Then I realized > that the flash algorithm could be implemented on either side of > the laplink cable. Of course it can, but besides being slow as you've found, it is probably not the safest way to do it. If the connection breaks during burn (more likely since it takes longer) you could end up, say, with a half-programmed boot block. Or is this code intended only for burning outside of the boot block? Probably the best thing would be to a) download a checksummed chunk of manageable size b) checksum it c) if it matches, burn it in. > So I moved it over to the mailbug side. It > is slower now, because the flash commands have to be sent to the > codeflash for each byte over the laplink. > > Most (all???) of the commands now can be cancelled with esc key. > Actually flash block burns should probably not be interruptible. > Several minor changes, that I can't think of right now. > > There is a new .zip file with (hopefully) all the files > you need. You need at a minimum the new mailbug.exe, and > the matching mbug.rom. They should work fine with the old > mboot.rom if you already flashed it. You should be able to > unzip it on top of the old files. I added scancode.hex, and > a newer version of hello.rom. The "crunch.dat" file may be > newer, too (not sure). crunch.dat holds the type info for > the disassembler. Can it be used to update existing mbug.rom? -- John. 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X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56757 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2005 17:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2005 17:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2005 17:34:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 17:34:00 -0000 Received: from [209.73.170.222] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 17:34:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 17:34:00 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: CamelForth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 666 Lines: 30 > Could somebody say what mailbug works with now amongst the > various MSxx0, DETx, and firmware models? The old brown non ergonomic case models, firmware ver 2.22r, 2.53yr, 2.54. These old models before the mailstation/mivo 100 did not have a "number". Possibly some of the mailstation/mivo 100 with firmware 3.xx??? I think John H. flashed one of those and it worked. > What models may work in the future? I expect that sooner or later, all up to 250. They are all quite similar. > What models might never work? 350. It has different cpu (not z80). AFAIK, nobody is working on it. Esentially would be a different project from this one. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72573 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2005 17:49:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2005 17:49:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2005 17:49:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 17:49:06 -0000 Received: from [209.73.170.215] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 17:49:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 17:49:05 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Should I buy a 120 or 150? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 3335 Lines: 84 > If I want to hack it, that is. My Office Max has a pile of both so, > after comparing appearance (identical), features (identical), and > price (identical), I bought a 150 on its merits of having a bigger > box and a higher model number. At this point, it is known that the current mboot.rom does *not* work with the NEW 150's. I expect it also does not work with the old 150's, or the 120 (old & new) or the 200 or 250. And if it doesn't work, and you flash it anyhow, you will need a soldering iron and a prom programmer to fix it. I expect that the flood of these models from Officemax will mean a new version sometime in the near (???) future, that works with the 120 & 150 (I bought a pile of them myself.) For now, it works with the real-old brown non-ergonomic case models, in particular firmware versions 2.22r, 2.53yr, and 2.54. I think also one of the 3.somethin' models is known to work. I would only use it with one of the firmware versions known to work, and wait for a new mboot.rom for any un-tried firmware versions. Now, maybe you are wondering what I mean, "old & new"? Well, I opened up a few of them, and there are at least two different circuit boards in both the 120 & 150. The major difference I can see is that the newer 120/150's have a different LCD. It has a distinctly blue tint to it (the dark pixels), where the older one was black. And it is not just the color, it has fewer conductors in it's cable. The cpu/ram/codeflash/dataflash looks to be the same in all that I have opened. The modem circuitry is definitely different from old to new. The old 120 & old 150 use identical hardware, as far as I can tell. The new 120 & new 150 are also identical (almost), but diferent from the older. The only differnce I can see between the new 120 & the new 150, is the part# on the main PCB, and where the Underwriters Lab logo is placed. And of course, the firmware is different in all four. From my small sample, it appears that the old 120's are in the thinner boxes (approx 2.5" thick), the case is violet (or purple???), and they say "MIVO 200 CIDCO MODEL DET2" on the bottom of case. Box sez "DET1E", same as new 120 box. (I think they reflashed mivo 200's, and called them "mailstation 120".) Black LCD. The new 120's are in the bigger box (approx 5" thick), and the case is dark grey (top is same color as the bottom), and it says "MAILSTATION 120 EARTHLINK MODEL DET1E" on bottom. And they have the new blue LCD. I only have one "old 150", and I think it was in a thin box (this is the one I got fall 2003, free after rebate at officemax). Black LCD, says "MIVO 150 CIDCO MODEL DET1B" on bottom. (hardware essentially the same as Mivo 200 or the old 120.) All the 150's I saw at officemax this month were in big boxes, and the couple I opened were "new" models, with blue LCD. On bottom: "MAILSTATION 150 EARTHLINK MODEL DET1D". > I searched this forum and found few clues to the difference beyond > suspicions that it is in the software. Is one model better for > hacking than the other? Bottom line is that there are only slight differences in the hardware between *any* of the models up to 200. It's just a matter of finding time to get around to the newer models. If you want to start playing today, you should use one of the oldest models. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80731 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2005 19:32:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2005 19:32:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2005 19:32:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 19:32:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 19:32:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 19:32:44 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1114882072.25892.1685.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: CamelForth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 3648 Lines: 97 > > After I figured out what was wrong with old method (using code > > in same rom you are writing is not allowed), I was gonna add > > flash erase and flash write commands into mbug. Then I realized > > that the flash algorithm could be implemented on either side of > > the laplink cable. > > Of course it can, but besides being slow as you've found, it > is probably not the safest way to do it. If the connection breaks > during burn (more likely since it takes longer) you could end up, > say, with a half-programmed boot block. That is a very good point, that I had not considered. The first reason I thought of for doing it this way was to remove the possibility of accidently erasing/flashing, which was a problem in the past. :-) The second reason was that it was way easier to code it in Pascal than z80 assembler! ;^) > Or is this code intended only for burning > outside of the boot block? Right up until the last moment, I had locked out the ability to erase the boot blocks. I wanted to add a special function that would erase and reflash the boot code all in one operation. But I compromised in the spirit of just getting it uploaded. So now it issues a "stern warning" if you ask it to erase boot code. You can only continue by typing "I dont't care" at the prompt. :^O > Probably the best thing would be to a) download a checksummed chunk > of manageable size b) checksum it c) if it matches, burn it in. Sounds reasonable to me. Maybe even send a whole 16k page, in the case of the boot block, and then let it burn it all at once. > > Most (all???) of the commands now can be cancelled with esc key. > > Actually flash block burns should probably not be interruptible. They're not, at least after you let it start. But if you hit the key for, say, erase (or load, or save, etc.), when it is asking you *what* to erase (load, save ,etc.), you can just skip it. I do want to add the ability to abort some commands without finishing (for instance blank checking all 64 codeflash pages can get tiresome). But reflashing of the boot block would definitely be one you would not want to be interruptable. > Can it be used to update existing mbug.rom? (I know you mean mboot.rom, I can't keep them straight myself, and I named them!) Yes. But you will have to answer the warning with "I don't care" (including the ' in don't) to erase the old mboot.rom, and then flash the new - _without_rebooting_mbug! But the neat thing about it is you should seldom need to reflash a new mboot.rom. That is why it is seperated into mbug and mboot. Mbug is a file on the PC disk, that gets loaded over the laplink to mailstation RAM. It is what the debugger (mailbug) uses to interface to mailstation. It is a trivial matter to make change to mbug, reassemble, and test. If you made a mistake, no problem, it's just in RAM. Edit, assemble, and try again. Mboot is the part that is flashed into mailstation. It's only job is to run when mailstation reboots, and load the current mbug into ram. We need a better mboot.rom for the 120/150 etc. Eventually, I want to split the code that runs on the mailstation into three parts: 1) Seldom changing boot code (mboot.rom), either loads mbug, or executes rom monitor if not connected to PC (mailbug). 2) Changeable-without-fear-of-hosing rom-monitor, that runs automatically when not connected to mailbug. 3) Latest greatest interface to debugger (mbug.rom, but it is not really burned to rom) If this doesn't make any sense, it is probably due to the fact that I have been up since yesterday. I really need to sleep now... -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: c5687ef4580423904ba368b215a992a0@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17194 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2005 22:58:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2005 22:58:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2005 22:58:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 22:58:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 22:58:38 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 22:58:36 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "c5687ef4580423904ba368b215a992a0" Subject: Corrupted settings - model 120 v4.05e firmware X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=147002626 X-Yahoo-Profile: c5687ef4580423904ba368b215a992a0 Status: RO Content-Length: 757 Lines: 27 Most of my settings are y'd out. It's a funky y with two dots on top, just above the raised arms. so far my reply to address has that, but the primary dns is blank. other settings appear normal. auto check mail is no auto check time is at 2 am call waiting is no ignore dial tone is no and speaker is yes My 120 wasn't hackable via any other means. I decided to yank power just after hitting 'save' settings. hehe oops. It's not resetting to factory defaults now. I guess I toasted it :) any idea if there's a jtag testing point on these buggers? Also, what GNU/GPL tools can be used with this? I've used the avr micro compiler to build firmware for atmels before. (c code to intel hex files). Thanks. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12222 invoked from network); 1 May 2005 01:54:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2005 01:54:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.24) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2005 01:54:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 25226 invoked from network); 1 May 2005 01:54:36 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 1 May 2005 01:54:36 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 18:55:53 -0700 Message-Id: <1114912553.25892.1725.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Corrupted settings - model 120 v4.05e firmware X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 1121 Lines: 39 On Sat, 2005-04-30 at 22:58 +0000, c5687ef4580423904ba368b215a992a0 wrote: > Most of my settings are y'd out. It's a funky y with two dots on top, > just above the > raised arms. so far my reply to address has that, but the primary dns > is blank. other > settings appear normal. > > auto check mail is no > auto check time is at 2 am > call waiting is no > ignore dial tone is no > and speaker is yes > > My 120 wasn't hackable via any other means. I decided to yank power > just after hitting > 'save' settings. hehe oops. It's not resetting to factory defaults > now. I guess I toasted it > :) > > any idea if there's a jtag testing point on these buggers? I'd suggest using mailbug. With it you can reflash the unit over the serial port with whatever you want. You could just use mailbug or burn NoICE in there. > Also, > what GNU/GPL tools can > be used with this? I've used the avr micro compiler to build > firmware for atmels before. > (c code to intel hex files). sdcc comes to mind. Probably others. More public domain or freeware stuff than gpl... -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: c5687ef4580423904ba368b215a992a0@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5654 invoked from network); 1 May 2005 05:04:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2005 05:04:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2005 05:04:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2005 05:04:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2005 05:04:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 05:04:33 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1114912553.25892.1725.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "c5687ef4580423904ba368b215a992a0" Subject: I reset my ms120 to *my* settings!!!! Was: Corrupted settings - model 120 v4.05e X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=147002626 X-Yahoo-Profile: c5687ef4580423904ba368b215a992a0 Status: RO Content-Length: 2094 Lines: 66 hold down function d, don't let go reset via the reset switch release after you see a menu select Restore Default Account Just as you're confirming Yes (enter) disconnect power. Upon reapplication of power, the unit will post with a memory check, and throw a msg saying you need to setup the account. (one time it said memory corruption). After reconfiguring my pop3 server (I own my own ppp gear and mail servers, among other things) I'll have to see what else happens. :) but from verbose debug logs, the mail server is catching the login, but it refuses the client because it truncates the email address when logging in, and I'm mass vhosting email... anyway, thanks! whaouuUUuuu! =) =) =) --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > On Sat, 2005-04-30 at 22:58 +0000, c5687ef4580423904ba368b215a992a0 > wrote: > > Most of my settings are y'd out. It's a funky y with two dots on top, > > just above the > > raised arms. so far my reply to address has that, but the primary dns > > is blank. other > > settings appear normal. > > > > auto check mail is no > > auto check time is at 2 am > > call waiting is no > > ignore dial tone is no > > and speaker is yes > > > > My 120 wasn't hackable via any other means. I decided to yank power > > just after hitting > > 'save' settings. hehe oops. It's not resetting to factory defaults > > now. I guess I toasted it > > :) > > > > any idea if there's a jtag testing point on these buggers? > > I'd suggest using mailbug. With it you can reflash the unit over the > serial port with whatever you want. > > You could just use mailbug or burn NoICE in there. No need now! wahou! > > > Also, > > what GNU/GPL tools can > > be used with this? I've used the avr micro compiler to build > > firmware for atmels before. > > (c code to intel hex files). > > sdcc comes to mind. Probably others. More public domain or freeware > stuff than gpl... Linux friendly stuff works for me. > > -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: mikewarns@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59680 invoked from network); 2 May 2005 15:11:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2005 15:11:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2005 15:11:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2005 15:10:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2005 15:10:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 15:10:31 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "mikewarns" Subject: Re: Should I buy a 120 or 150? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91580299 X-Yahoo-Profile: mikewarns Status: RO Content-Length: 989 Lines: 21 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Cyrano Jones" wrote: > From my small sample, it appears that the old 120's are in the > thinner boxes (approx 2.5" thick), the case is violet > (or purple???), and they say "MIVO 200 CIDCO MODEL DET2" > on the bottom of case. Box sez "DET1E", same as new 120 box. > (I think they reflashed mivo 200's, and called > them "mailstation 120".) Black LCD. The 120s my Officemax has are in a shallower box while the 150s are in a deeper box. By all appearances, I cannot begin "playing" today, whichever I buy for myself, but more people appear to have 120s so I'm assuming that will be the first to get the new mboot.rom. Therefore, since there doesn't appear to be any compelling reason to buy a 150, on my way home from work I will buy a couple shallow-box 120s, one for playing and one for family email since my wife objects to anybody in the house actually using any of our computers ("You just waste time!"). From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71713 invoked from network); 2 May 2005 17:01:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2005 17:01:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.223) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2005 17:01:42 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.171.132]) by priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20050502170130.SJXZ28279.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 11:01:30 -0600 Message-ID: <006301c54f38$672ea440$84ab74ce@...> To: References: Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 09:55:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Should I buy a 120 or 150? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 369 Lines: 16 ----- Original Message ----- From: "mikewarns" .... > one for family email since my wife objects to anybody in > the house actually using any of our computers ("You just waste time!"). Isn't that the purpose of computers? BTW, it is possible to reprogram the MailStation at least in part by email, so if we could figure out that trick ..... ! N From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7065 invoked from network); 2 May 2005 21:09:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2005 21:09:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2005 21:09:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2005 21:08:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2005 21:08:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 21:08:55 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: safeboot.rom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 836 Lines: 27 I've been working on a new mboot for the unknown firmware mailstations today, and I just flashed the first version of "safeboot.rom" into a 150 v4.05D. I have control of the 150 now, and can load code and execute it. I can't display anything on the LCD, but I expected there to be some differences, since it is a different display that the older ones had. I loaded my scancode.hex program, and it blinks the mail LED when I press keys. :-) I haven't really studied it yet, but large parts of the page #00 rom code look identical to the older models. The code in the LCD routine area is definitely different. I have to quit for now, but I might get back to this later tonight. I want to test it on some other models, and maybe make some changes, but I don't expect it will be long before I can upload a new version. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: mikewarns@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29509 invoked from network); 2 May 2005 21:37:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2005 21:37:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2005 21:37:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2005 21:37:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2005 21:37:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 21:37:14 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "mikewarns" Subject: Re: safeboot.rom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91580299 X-Yahoo-Profile: mikewarns Status: RO Content-Length: 430 Lines: 15 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Cyrano Jones" wrote: > I've been working on a new mboot for the unknown > firmware mailstations today, and I just flashed > the first version of "safeboot.rom" into a 150 v4.05D. Okay, I guess I'll buy two 150s on my way home. I'm nothing if not adaptable! :-) Thanks, Cyrano! I appreciate you doing this work so I don't have to learn how to do it myself. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25976 invoked from network); 2 May 2005 21:42:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2005 21:42:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.24) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2005 21:42:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 20214 invoked from network); 2 May 2005 21:42:49 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 2 May 2005 21:42:49 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 14:43:05 -0700 Message-Id: <1115070186.25892.1822.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] safeboot.rom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 334 Lines: 13 On Mon, 2005-05-02 at 21:08 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > I've been working on a new mboot for the unknown > firmware mailstations today, and I just flashed > the first version of "safeboot.rom" into a 150 v4.05D. Awesome :-) Given that you're going to be inundated with folks buying 120's and 150's this is a big step! -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95247 invoked from network); 2 May 2005 22:20:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2005 22:20:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2005 22:20:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2005 22:20:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2005 22:20:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 22:20:31 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: safeboot.rom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 838 Lines: 29 > I have to quit for now, but I might get back to this later > tonight. I want to test it on some other models, Ok, I lied. I'm still messing with it. My curiosity once again won, and I flashed the clunky first version into a violet/purple 120 (old) v4.04E. It works!!! And the LCD works same as in old brown model. :-) I also flashed a dark grey 120 (new) v4.05E, and it works similar to the "new" 150. No display yet. Now where is that 250, I know I left it around here somewhere.... Maybe later. In case anyone just got here, don't flash the mboot.rom from mailbug ver 0.0.2a into any of the 120/150/250 models, it will not work. And to prevent any misunderstanding, there is NO software to flash yet, just the debugger. And for the time being, any new software will likely be programmed in z80 assembler. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12282 invoked from network); 2 May 2005 22:29:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2005 22:29:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2005 22:29:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2005 22:29:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2005 22:29:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 22:29:04 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: safeboot.rom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 622 Lines: 23 > > I've been working on a new mboot for the unknown > > firmware mailstations today, and I just flashed > > the first version of "safeboot.rom" into a 150 v4.05D. > > Okay, I guess I'll buy two 150s on my way home. I'm nothing if not > adaptable! :-) Gosh, I don't really know which to advise right now. I expect both will work fine soon, but for now the "new" LCD requires some additional work before we can use it. But the newer one might look better??? Or at least it looks bluer! > Thanks, Cyrano! I appreciate you doing this work so I don't have to > learn how to do it myself. :-) :-) :-) -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: nitchimon@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17896 invoked from network); 4 May 2005 22:13:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2005 22:13:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2005 22:13:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2005 22:13:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2005 22:13:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 22:13:38 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050418142836.4AD9F1414A@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "nitchimon" Subject: Re: Steps to change ISP information for MS120 (includes earthlink flavor) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=119673242 X-Yahoo-Profile: nitchimon Status: RO Content-Length: 1795 Lines: 51 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Randy Prothero" wrote: > >I believe that Earthlink 'locked' them to prevent changing ISPs. Until we > >can dump and/or alter the ROM we are stuck. > > I have the MS120 (same one from Office Max for $9) and have success in unlocking it. > > To do it: > > 1. Remove batteries - they must be out to do this! > 2. Prepare AC adapter for use to power the mailstation. You will need to be able to quickly and easily disconnect it.. > 3. press (and hold) [FUNCTION] [SHIFT] [D] and power on. A menu should appear. > 4. Select *Restore Email Defaults" from the menu. Press Enter. It will prompt "are you sure? YES / NO" > 5. As soon as you press YES, you need to quickly interrupt the power to the unit-- corrupting the user account information in flash. > ** Step #5 takes some tries-- dont give up, keep trying! > 6. If you got it right, you can power up and select "NO Clear" (if a menu appears) and you should see "Press OK to configure a user account" > 7. Once you press Enter, you will get to put in the login info (name/password, etc) .. > > Sadly, you must go thru this to change it after, so let someone patient do it for you.. I have done it, and it works! did it, reset, started smoking... it started shaking.. and a picture of Bill Gates came on the screen.... It said "I'm sorry this is not an approved Microsoft product"... ok back to reality... I think the keybaord is perfect for applications, ta heck with hacking it. has anyone figured out the internal cable coordination so this might be used for somethign else? This is just perfect. I have the MS120 and 15 from Officemax. It really woudl be nice to short this and c9orrect the memory so its forced to reset... anyone think abotu that? enjoy. Nitch. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: nitchimon@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30142 invoked from network); 4 May 2005 22:25:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2005 22:25:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2005 22:25:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2005 22:25:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2005 22:25:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 22:25:34 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "nitchimon" Subject: Information MS-150 xtnd 4.05d X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=119673242 X-Yahoo-Profile: nitchimon Status: RO Content-Length: 647 Lines: 30 I followed the instructions that were posted in the file on April 23, 2005. The TOP of the file said : If you press Function + d (on the MS 150, V4.04D) and press the hard reset button (with a paper clip) you'll get a slightly different menu dialog (the "Reset System Data" menu) after the memory scan? You have to keep holding Function + d after the reboot to see it. The menu shows an additional item: "Restore Default Account". DO IT!!! Be quick when selecting YES and WHAM! it works! Got ALL of the network settings to reset also !!! I can NOW use it with my ISP. Fantastic!!! THANK YOU !!!!! Enjoy!! Nitchimon From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: nguyentt103@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1790 invoked from network); 12 May 2005 16:21:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2005 16:21:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2005 16:21:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2005 16:20:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2005 16:20:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 16:20:57 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: "nguyentt103" Subject: Re: Information MS-150 xtnd 4.05d X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=139795799 X-Yahoo-Profile: nguyentt103 Status: RO Content-Length: 210 Lines: 6 I got the same MS-150 xtnd 4.05d but the trick does not work. I following the instruction but this is what I got. "Memorry error! Do you want to fix it? " Yes or No still reset the account to mailstation. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: nguyentt103@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13336 invoked from network); 12 May 2005 16:39:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2005 16:39:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2005 16:39:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2005 16:39:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2005 16:39:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 16:39:08 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: "nguyentt103" Subject: Re: Information MS-150 xtnd 4.05d X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=139795799 X-Yahoo-Profile: nguyentt103 Status: RO Content-Length: 64 Lines: 4 Got it to work just the timing must be just right. It work ! From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jstevewhite@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30687 invoked from network); 12 May 2005 21:08:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2005 21:08:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2005 21:08:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2005 21:08:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2005 21:08:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 21:08:07 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Steve White" Subject: N00b question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96568859 X-Yahoo-Profile: jstevewhite Status: RO Content-Length: 485 Lines: 14 Just bought one of the infamous $9.00 MS120s; had gotten as far as identifying the chips involved when I found this group and discovered that a lot of my work had been done for me. Anybody got any input on the idea of using the MS120 as a serial console for headless Linux machines? Does the CXNT modem chip need rs232 inputs? There has to be VT100 code for Z80s out there somewhere. It would be a STUNNINGLY useful piece of equipment in that role... Any ideas? Steve From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68527 invoked from network); 12 May 2005 22:27:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2005 22:27:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.192) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2005 22:27:48 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so916351wri for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 15:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.51.5 with SMTP id y5mr1355957wry; Thu, 12 May 2005 15:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.84.14 with HTTP; Thu, 12 May 2005 15:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 15:27:48 -0700 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: John Hogerhuis From: John Hogerhuis Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] N00b question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 911 Lines: 31 On 5/12/05, Steve White wrote: > Just bought one o= f the infamous $9.00 MS120s; had gotten as far as > identifying the chips= involved when I found this group and > discovered that a lot of my work = had been done for me. Anybody got > any input on the idea of using the MS= 120 as a serial console for > headless Linux machines? Does the CXNT mode= m chip need rs232 inputs? > There has to be VT100 code for Z80s out there= somewhere. It would be > a STUNNINGLY useful piece of equipment in that = role... > I think CJ has done some stuff with bit banging a serial port= using the parallel port. But you'll need to add a level converter at least= . Also for cheap slabtops that make good terminals out-of-the-box there's = the Tandy WP-2, the Tandy 10x, Tandy 200, the Amstrad NC100, or the Cambrid= ge Z88 (with the serial port rewired to standard ideally). -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: gaylejanzen@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65236 invoked from network); 14 May 2005 21:22:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2005 21:22:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53105.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.208) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2005 21:22:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 94249 invoked by uid 60001); 14 May 2005 21:22:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Message-ID: <20050514212220.94247.qmail@...> Received: from [24.196.43.141] by web53105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 14 May 2005 14:22:20 PDT Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 14:22:20 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1948154118-1116105740=:94148" X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Gayle Janzen Subject: ISP options? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=221440080 X-Yahoo-Profile: gaylejanzen Status: RO Content-Length: 1501 Lines: 18 --0-1948154118-1116105740=:94148 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Now that I have blank fields, I've been looking for a email service. Any suggestions? Thanks. And keep it as simple and stupid as possible...as I've read the various posts I see there are people in this group WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more advanced than I on this whole thing. As I've tried to do the research myself I can't figure out which email services will work and which won't. 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Now that I have blank fields, I've been looking for a email service. Any suggestions? Thanks. And keep it as simple and stupid as possible...as I've read the various posts I see there are people in this group WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more advanced than I on this whole thing. As I've tried to do the research myself I can't figure out which email services will work and which won't. I think I'm smart enough to know that the 'web based' ones won't. Again, any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out! --0-1948154118-1116105740=:94148-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: kborawski@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30477 invoked from network); 15 May 2005 19:44:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2005 19:44:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2005 19:44:15 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 15 May 2005 12:44:14 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.207 by BAY103-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 15 May 2005 19:44:14 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kborawski@...] X-Sender: kborawski@... To: References: <1116153495.788.33997.m16@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 15:44:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2005 19:44:14.0416 (UTC) FILETIME=[79387500:01C55986] X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "KBorawski" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Digest Number 105 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=55697130 X-Yahoo-Profile: kborawski Status: RO Content-Length: 1725 Lines: 59 I use all2easy.net $4.95 per month no setup, I switched from access4free when they closed. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 6:38 AM Subject: [mailstation] Digest Number 105 > There is 1 message in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. ISP options? > From: Gayle Janzen > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 14:22:20 -0700 (PDT) > From: Gayle Janzen > Subject: ISP options? > > Now that I have blank fields, I've been looking for a email service. Any > suggestions? Thanks. And keep it as simple and stupid as possible...as > I've read the various posts I see there are people in this group > WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more advanced than I on this whole thing. As I've tried > to do the research myself I can't figure out which email services will > work and which won't. I think I'm smart enough to know that the 'web > based' ones won't. Again, any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > --------------------------------- > Discover Yahoo! > Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out! > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 1037 Lines: 32 You need a dial up service which offers POP/SMTP mail. Juno/NetZero offers "Free Internet Access and Email" for 10 hours each month however it may be that this system won't work except on a PC. If you only use it for a MailStation this should be plenty since you'll run about 3 minutes per day. http://my.juno.com/s/signup?platinum=N&cf=default&group=free Others are http://www.affinitypath.com/cgi-mod/mi/welcome.cgi?nav=register_free&cb=6122 Just search for (free dial up email) Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: Gayle Janzen Now that I have blank fields, I've been looking for a email service. Any suggestions? Thanks. And keep it as simple and stupid as possible...as I've read the various posts I see there are people in this group WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more advanced than I on this whole thing. As I've tried to do the research myself I can't figure out which email services will work and which won't. I think I'm smart enough to know that the 'web based' ones won't. Again, any help would be greatly appreciated. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jichikawa@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78277 invoked from network); 16 May 2005 04:22:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2005 04:22:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2005 04:22:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2005 04:22:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2005 04:22:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 04:22:21 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "ajiyoshi" Subject: What do you do with your mailstation? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=127456326 X-Yahoo-Profile: ajiyoshi Status: RO Content-Length: 935 Lines: 28 Hello, I have a blue Mailstation 150 that I picked up at Office Max for $9. Last night I tried the "Ctrl + D, reset button & power off" method of modifying the ISP info and it works great. Thanks to all of you for your effort and for sharing your results with us! Initially I was hoping to use the Mailstation to monitor my incoming email (from the kitchen or wherever.) But then I realized that the Mailstation most likely will delete messages from the email server after retrieving them. That's not good - I want all my messages on my main computer, and I don't want to lose any photos people might send. So now I'm thinking of other ways I can use it: - to send quick text messages without using my main computer - to write/send memos to myself - I can use it pretty much anywhere since it's so portable - for spare parts What about everyone else? Have you discovered any handy uses for your Mailstation? Thanks! Jeff From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41888 invoked from network); 16 May 2005 05:02:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2005 05:02:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.224) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2005 05:02:46 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.171.132]) by priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20050516050244.OONZ15451.priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Sun, 15 May 2005 23:02:44 -0600 Message-ID: <007e01c559d4$712f6f00$84ab74ce@...> To: References: Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 21:54:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] What do you do with your mailstation? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 349 Lines: 14 ----- Original Message ----- From: "ajiyoshi" > Initially I was hoping to use the Mailstation to monitor my incoming > email (from the kitchen or wherever.) But then I realized that the > Mailstation most likely will delete messages from the email server > after retrieving them. I believe that's an option you can set. Neil From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6588 invoked from network); 16 May 2005 16:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2005 16:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail21.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.23) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2005 16:44:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 6095 invoked from network); 16 May 2005 16:44:04 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail21.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 16 May 2005 16:44:04 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 09:44:18 -0700 Message-Id: <1116261858.17723.466.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] What do you do with your mailstation? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 405 Lines: 15 On Mon, 2005-05-16 at 04:22 +0000, ajiyoshi wrote: > What about everyone else? Have you discovered any handy uses for your > Mailstation? Hoping to use it as a cheaper/faster/cheesier Model 100 programmable in Forth or C. I have a start on a Forth, but more work to do still. I use vintage laptops everyday, the mailstation is probably faster and has more storage space than any of them. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: k5fni@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20409 invoked from network); 16 May 2005 19:49:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2005 19:49:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.58) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2005 19:49:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n29.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2005 19:48:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2005 19:48:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 19:48:40 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Richard Herndon" Subject: Re: Digest Number 105 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203982406 X-Yahoo-Profile: rehfni Status: RO Content-Length: 756 Lines: 24 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "KBorawski" wrote: > I use all2easy.net $4.95 per month no setup, I switched from access4free > when they closed. So, do you just do the magic settings shown with the multi-key Mailstation setup, pay your $4.95 and sign in? I already have service in my home town, but I'm considering buying the $4.95 service you mention for my computer-illiterate cousin in San Angelo out in west Texas and my completely technophobic mother in Austin. I see both places have numbers, as does my current place of domicile in Ganado. This service looks cool, if that's all there is to it. Can either of the two then advance to 'normal' 56k access with a PC on the same service/price? Thanks in advance, Rick K5FNI From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: gaylejanzen@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76971 invoked from network); 16 May 2005 21:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2005 21:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53101.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.204) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2005 21:58:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 84911 invoked by uid 60001); 16 May 2005 21:58:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Message-ID: <20050516215820.84909.qmail@...> Received: from [68.112.106.191] by web53101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 May 2005 14:58:20 PDT Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 14:58:20 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-555593056-1116280700=:83566" X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Gayle Janzen Subject: another service provider X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=221440080 X-Yahoo-Profile: gaylejanzen Status: RO Content-Length: 1508 Lines: 19 --0-555593056-1116280700=:83566 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii THanks for the input re services that are available. I found another one, . They picture a MailStation on one of their pages and I emailed them with some questions and they responded within 24 hours. They appear to have a LOT of dialup numbers. I've used mine as a word processor that I'm not afraid to toss into the corner or fall off the back seat or get bumped off the table onto the floor. They seem pretty durable. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. --0-555593056-1116280700=:83566 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
THanks for the input re services that are available. I found another one, . They picture a MailStation on one of their pages and I emailed them with some questions and they responded within 24 hours. They appear to have a LOT of dialup numbers. I've used mine as a word processor that I'm not afraid to toss into the corner or fall off the back seat or get bumped off the table onto the floor. They seem pretty durable.

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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2005 23:21:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2005 23:21:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 23:21:55 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007e01c559d4$712f6f00$84ab74ce@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "ajiyoshi" Subject: Re: What do you do with your mailstation? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=127456326 X-Yahoo-Profile: ajiyoshi Status: RO Content-Length: 598 Lines: 27 Hi Neil, If you find this option could you let me know? I looked through all of the Mailstation 150 menus and couldn't find it. Thanks! Jeff --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Morrison" wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ajiyoshi" > > > Initially I was hoping to use the Mailstation to monitor my incoming > > email (from the kitchen or wherever.) But then I realized that the > > Mailstation most likely will delete messages from the email server > > after retrieving them. > > I believe that's an option you can set. > > Neil From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89927 invoked from network); 17 May 2005 05:20:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2005 05:20:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.240) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2005 05:20:48 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.171.132]) by priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20050517051945.HNYB5876.priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 23:19:45 -0600 Message-ID: <003401c55aa0$09d2bc00$84ab74ce@...> To: References: Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 22:11:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] What do you do with your mailstation? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 277 Lines: 15 On mine it's the second option "Save message copy on Server". Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "ajiyoshi" > Hi Neil, > > If you find this option could you let me know? I looked through all > of the Mailstation 150 menus and couldn't find it. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jichikawa@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50676 invoked from network); 18 May 2005 03:02:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2005 03:02:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2005 03:02:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2005 03:01:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2005 03:01:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 03:01:00 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003401c55aa0$09d2bc00$84ab74ce@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "ajiyoshi" Subject: Re: What do you do with your mailstation? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=127456326 X-Yahoo-Profile: ajiyoshi Status: RO Content-Length: 1143 Lines: 55 My guess is that I must have a different firmware version than yours. The Settings window looks like this: Settings XTND: On V4.05D. -------------------------------------------------- User Name: Dial-Up No: Reply-To: Email Address: -------------------------- Automatically Check Mail < > Auto Check Time __:__ Do you have call waiting ? < > Ignore dial tone when dialing ? < > -------------------------- Battery Status: xxx Current Time: xx:xx The User Settings ("Details") window looks like this: User Name: Dial-Up No: Reply To: --------------------------- E-Mail Address: E-Mail Password: POP3 Server: SMTP Server: ISP Account: ISP Password: Primary DNS: What firmware version do you have? Thanks, Jeff --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Morrison" wrote: > > On mine it's the second option "Save message copy on Server". > > Neil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ajiyoshi" > > > > Hi Neil, > > > > If you find this option could you let me know? I looked through all > > of the Mailstation 150 menus and couldn't find it. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 231 Lines: 15 I have a Mivo 100 (1999) Version 2.55Y Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "ajiyoshi" > My guess is that I must have a different firmware version than yours. > The Settings window looks like this: ... From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: k5fni@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68609 invoked from network); 19 May 2005 15:08:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2005 15:08:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2005 15:08:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2005 15:08:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2005 15:08:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 15:08:04 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Richard Herndon" Subject: MS200/MS120 At OfficeMax: need to get mail stuff changed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203982406 X-Yahoo-Profile: rehfni Status: RO Content-Length: 1249 Lines: 47 I see lots of stuff on this list for 100, 120, etc. But my local (Victoria TX) store has the MS200/DET2 machines (which strangely come up with the screen saying it is a "MailStation 120"). I have 4 reserved **IF** I can change the email data. I've been trying this morning to use the Function-D Push in the reset with a toothpick Pull out the power I do see a different menu, but now what? Normal reset menu: Heading: Reset System Data then No Clear Clear E-Mail Data Clear Address Book Data Clear All Data When I do the Function-D dance shown above, I get a menu that is: Heading: Reset System Data then Restore Default Account Clear E-Mail Data Clear Address Book Data Clear All Data Now what? I can NEVER get it to come up with a set of input solicitations that ask me for the email info I really need to push into the machine. Another query: What if I fix this one and send it to a computer illiterate cousin or my ditto mother? Will the info hold? Or will I require them to mail it back every time the batteries go flat? How often must the complicated maneuver be repeated in 'normal' use? I know that is really more than one query, but I'm holding off on a 60-mile round trip pending the answers. Hayelp, pliz. Rick K5FNI Ganado TX From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: bmarcum@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90446 invoked from network); 19 May 2005 23:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2005 23:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rdsmtp.iglou.com) (192.107.41.63) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2005 23:20:47 -0000 Received: from [192.107.41.39] (helo=iglou4.iglou.com) by rdsmtp.iglou.com with esmtp (8.12.5/8.12.5) id 1DYuJL-0002mb-FP for mailstation@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 19 May 2005 19:20:15 -0400 Received: from [204.255.238.151] (helo=don.localnet) by iglou4.iglou.com with esmtp (8.12.5/8.12.5) id 1DYuJJ-0002mR-9t for mailstation@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 19 May 2005 19:20:15 -0400 Received: by don.localnet (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A0F3D41B0; Thu, 19 May 2005 18:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 18:10:05 -0400 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <20050519221005.GB3786@...> Mail-Followup-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: bmarcum@... (Bill Marcum) From: bmarcum@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] MS200/MS120 At OfficeMax: need to get mail stuff changed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2511197 X-Yahoo-Profile: billmkatt Status: RO Content-Length: 1566 Lines: 49 On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 03:08:04PM -0000, Richard Herndon wrote: > I see lots of stuff on this list for 100, 120, etc. But my local > (Victoria TX) store has the MS200/DET2 machines (which strangely come > up with the screen saying it is a "MailStation 120"). I have 4 > reserved **IF** I can change the email data. I've been trying this > morning to use the > Function-D > Push in the reset with a toothpick > Pull out the power > > I do see a different menu, but now what? > > Normal reset menu: > Heading: Reset System Data > then > No Clear > Clear E-Mail Data > Clear Address Book Data > Clear All Data > > When I do the Function-D dance shown above, I get a menu that is: > Heading: Reset System Data > then > Restore Default Account > Clear E-Mail Data > Clear Address Book Data > Clear All Data > > Now what? > I can NEVER get it to come up with a set of input solicitations that > ask me for the email info I really need to push into the machine. > Choose "Restore Default Account" and "Yes". The instructions said to press Enter and immediately pull the plug, but I found that it works if you press Enter and reset. > Another query: > What if I fix this one and send it to a computer illiterate cousin or > my ditto mother? Will the info hold? Or will I require them to mail it > back every time the batteries go flat? How often must the complicated > maneuver be repeated in 'normal' use? > I'm not sure, maybe someone else knows. Try taking the batteries out and letting it sit for a few days. -- Test-tube babies shouldn't throw stones. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: nguyentt103@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83710 invoked from network); 21 May 2005 22:18:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2005 22:18:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51109.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.130) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2005 22:18:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 3480 invoked by uid 60001); 21 May 2005 22:18:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Message-ID: <20050521221846.3478.qmail@...> Received: from [69.155.211.4] by web51109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 21 May 2005 15:18:45 PDT Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 15:18:45 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: tam nguyen Subject: Re: [mailstation] MS200/MS120 At OfficeMax: need to get mail stuff changed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=139795799 X-Yahoo-Profile: nguyentt103 Status: RO Content-Length: 2124 Lines: 75 It all about the timing. You have to get it just right when you try to corrupt the flash memory. You got to do it right after it delete the old data and before it write new data back to the flash memory. You may have to try 10 ... 20 time. Good luck, --- bmarcum@... wrote: > On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 03:08:04PM -0000, Richard > Herndon wrote: > > I see lots of stuff on this list for 100, 120, > etc. But my local > > (Victoria TX) store has the MS200/DET2 machines > (which strangely come > > up with the screen saying it is a "MailStation > 120"). I have 4 > > reserved **IF** I can change the email data. I've > been trying this > > morning to use the > > Function-D > > Push in the reset with a toothpick > > Pull out the power > > > > I do see a different menu, but now what? > > > > Normal reset menu: > > Heading: Reset System Data > > then > > No Clear > > Clear E-Mail Data > > Clear Address Book Data > > Clear All Data > > > > When I do the Function-D dance shown above, I get > a menu that is: > > Heading: Reset System Data > > then > > Restore Default Account > > Clear E-Mail Data > > Clear Address Book Data > > Clear All Data > > > > Now what? > > I can NEVER get it to come up with a set of input > solicitations that > > ask me for the email info I really need to push > into the machine. > > > Choose "Restore Default Account" and "Yes". The > instructions said to > press Enter and immediately pull the plug, but I > found that it works if > you press Enter and reset. > > > Another query: > > What if I fix this one and send it to a computer > illiterate cousin or > > my ditto mother? Will the info hold? Or will I > require them to mail it > > back every time the batteries go flat? How often > must the complicated > > maneuver be repeated in 'normal' use? > > > I'm not sure, maybe someone else knows. Try taking > the batteries out > and letting it sit for a few days. > > > -- > Test-tube babies shouldn't throw stones. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: nguyentt103@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21192 invoked from network); 21 May 2005 22:21:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2005 22:21:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51106.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.148) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2005 22:21:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 64147 invoked by uid 60001); 21 May 2005 22:21:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Message-ID: <20050521222137.64145.qmail@...> Received: from [69.155.211.4] by web51106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 21 May 2005 15:21:36 PDT Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 15:21:36 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: tam nguyen Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: What do you do with your mailstation? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=139795799 X-Yahoo-Profile: nguyentt103 Status: RO Content-Length: 1669 Lines: 77 It all about the timing. You have to get it just right when you try to corrupt the flash memory. You got to do it right after it delete the old data and before it write new data back to the flash memory. You may have to try 10 ... 20 time. Good luck, --- ajiyoshi wrote: > My guess is that I must have a different firmware > version than yours. > The Settings window looks like this: > > Settings XTND: On V4.05D. > -------------------------------------------------- > User Name: > Dial-Up No: > Reply-To: > Email Address: > -------------------------- > Automatically Check Mail < > > Auto Check Time __:__ > Do you have call waiting ? < > > Ignore dial tone when dialing ? < > > -------------------------- > Battery Status: xxx Current Time: > xx:xx > > > The User Settings ("Details") window looks like > this: > > User Name: > Dial-Up No: > Reply To: > --------------------------- > E-Mail Address: > E-Mail Password: > POP3 Server: > SMTP Server: > ISP Account: > ISP Password: > Primary DNS: > > What firmware version do you have? > > Thanks, > Jeff > > --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Morrison" > > wrote: > > > > On mine it's the second option "Save message copy > on Server". > > > > Neil > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "ajiyoshi" > > > > > > > Hi Neil, > > > > > > If you find this option could you let me know? > I looked through all > > > of the Mailstation 150 menus and couldn't find > it. > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: markfu14@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27797 invoked from network); 27 May 2005 03:07:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2005 03:07:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2005 03:07:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2005 03:06:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2005 03:06:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 03:06:45 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "markfu14" Subject: Can receive email but can send. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=132669495; y=hJCBVy4DOdrNjBRByuGR07kVYexCYIphD5RgLDArvPtzCIU X-Yahoo-Profile: markfu14 Status: RO Content-Length: 554 Lines: 13 I have a black 120 v4.0SE I have it configured with my POP3 yahoo account. Changing the settings took me a couple of minutes using the great advice from here, but I can't send email. I keep getting a message saying that the server is busy and to try again later. But I can wait and wait but still get the same message. All of my information is correct including the SMTP. Does anyone know of any issues that exist with yahoo. I have a premier yahoo account and have enabled POP3. Doesn't make sense that I can receive and not send. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68524 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2005 20:01:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2005 20:01:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2005 20:01:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2005 20:01:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2005 20:01:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 20:01:20 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: The Yahoo option X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100; y=oxrvX9r_TI4kc-u2gOKXL4ZP_5F_fLw43VzAHZLU8bdpjzKMjA X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 244 Lines: 10 In Photos > All Albums > Photo Albums > Yahoo Extras I have posted scans of what you see when you receive the Yahoo special 'messages'. Too bad they dumped this service. Perhaps we can figure out how these messages were formatted one day? From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: hunter_az@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93961 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2005 02:42:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2005 02:42:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54309.mail.yahoo.com) (68.142.225.151) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2005 02:42:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 10289 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jun 2005 02:42:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20050606024212.10287.qmail@...> Received: from [68.111.114.67] by web54309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 19:42:12 PDT Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 19:42:12 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Anthony Z." Subject: Re: [mailstation] The Yahoo option X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167022906; y=G22DCtqQRfmuPrV92M-9mS62tHvHacU7m150egNgAr9djMCJ X-Yahoo-Profile: nightmare_sun Status: RO Content-Length: 521 Lines: 18 From what I understood it wasnt exactly dumped, just not supported. (they would set you up, but if you didnt get them oh well). I do belive that it comes as some sort of attachment to an e-mail. If you know someone who gets them, go to their earthlink webmail and you should be able to view the source of the e-mail. I dont have any samples, just saw it once :( __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7136 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2005 08:12:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2005 08:12:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2005 08:12:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2005 08:12:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2005 08:12:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2005 08:12:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 08:12:50 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: The Yahoo option X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=mmxFwpQnq2yWePsAqrIHcywiS5s3w2YzwjSWUJ5_nuMhDiLpCPu0cbLwhg X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1384 Lines: 43 > I have posted scans of what you see when you receive the Yahoo > special > 'messages'. Too bad they dumped this service. Perhaps we can figure > out how these messages were formatted one day? Cool, I was wondering what the yahoo data looked like. I have several ms's with the yahoo feature, but none with any data saved. I do have one with the MyCidco feature, and data for tv & weather, and it looks almost identical, (where yours says "yahoo", mine says "mycidco"). The format for the data screens looks the same. It seems a sure bet now that they really are the same feature (and underlying mechanisms are same). Oh yeah, the date of the info saved in mine is Jan 6, 2005. If anybody here has an account with these features active, it would be great if you could capture one of the "clipmail" messages (I am assuming that is how data is sent), and post it here. The big question is whether they use the "security key" with this data. The data for the mycidco tv & weather is stored in the first two pages of the dataflash, and it's stored as *executable* code. That means if we figure out how to load tv listings, we know how to execute arbitrary code. See Message 282 for everything I know about the format of the mycidco data in the dataflash. If you hit the reply button while viewing msg 282, the column formating will be fixed in the reply window. --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99804 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2005 09:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2005 09:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2005 09:17:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2005 09:17:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2005 09:17:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 09:17:47 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: safeboot.rom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=AJ4loVwlaqLC9Xj2rSZQ-_RdDBzWKUqvjzj5K46aOCc6y3N-YTeEj0TC0A X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1140 Lines: 36 > both will work fine soon, but for now the "new" LCD requires some > additional work before we can use it. But the newer one might look > better??? Or at least it looks bluer! I have uploaded mailbug Version 0.0.3, and it works with the new LCD in the latest models. I have not tried it on the older models, but I expect it works with them too. I actually have only installed the current "sboot.rom" on one unit, a "new" 120 with ver 4.05e firmware. If anyone installs it, please post to list what model/firmware version of mailstation, and if there was any problem (I don't expect any). I still have not seen the code inside of the 200 or 250, but I am going on the assumption that it is similar enough that sboot.rom will work with them, but you never know. I would suggest that if wrecking a mailstation would ruin your whole day (or make you want to sue someone), that you probably should not be flashing *anything* into it. I am uploading as separate files this time, mainly so I can upload the part that is ready, and the rest later. I have a draft of a user manual almost ready, but I haven't uploaded it yet. --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98483 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2005 11:16:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2005 11:16:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2005 11:16:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2005 11:16:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2005 11:16:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 11:16:19 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: mailbug user guide X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=LdUMrszd87HXyBTMGtu1iJuwurUziXZnXvS7OKCT4pvd7S_gufBnWS-oGw X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 331 Lines: 17 OK, I uploaded a first draft. Files > Mailbug > mailbug_0.0.3 > Mailbug_User_Guide.doc is probably easier to read, if the proportional font is part of the doc format???? There is a plain text version too, but the fixed font skews some of the text. Let me know what I forgot, or anything that needs more explanation. --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: kat_skan@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83341 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2005 06:17:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2005 06:17:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2005 06:17:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2005 06:17:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2005 06:17:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 06:17:40 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "kat_skan" Subject: Re: safeboot.rom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113074088; y=h4et9t3VID-GDnE9bBsv9Lgg2jqa2PKh5--uJzSvOwvczOw X-Yahoo-Profile: kat_skan Status: RO Content-Length: 1715 Lines: 42 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Cyrano Jones" wrote: > > both will work fine soon, but for now the "new" LCD requires some > > additional work before we can use it. But the newer one might look > > better??? Or at least it looks bluer! > > I have uploaded mailbug Version 0.0.3, and it > works with the new LCD in the latest models. > I have not tried it on the older models, but > I expect it works with them too. I actually have > only installed the current "sboot.rom" on one > unit, a "new" 120 with ver 4.05e firmware. > > If anyone installs it, please post to list > what model/firmware version of mailstation, and > if there was any problem (I don't expect any). Well, I've got another 120/4.05e that's now displaying "Welcome to Mbug!" and cheerfully ignoring the power button, so I guess I can report it works on the platform you already know it works on. Seems like Mailbug has a tendency to just lock up whenever anything unusual happens, though. The first time I tried reading the SN I had the lpt port disabled in the BIOS, and Mailbug hung with a timeout error. Second time was actually after it finished sboot.rom. That locked it with no message of any kind. Now I just need to figure out how to get my own code on the thing. If I understand things correctly, I need to: * Create a new project by copying the mbug directory * Use as80 to assemble my .rom * Set the (w)orkfile and (l)oad it into RAM * (g)oto the address where I loaded the .rom Am I missing anything? And would you mind pointing out any good things to avoid doing while I figure out how everything works? This looks like it'll be fun. Thanks for getting this working with the newer firmware. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26515 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2005 12:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2005 12:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2005 12:51:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2005 12:50:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2005 12:50:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 12:50:27 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: safeboot.rom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=5BvRR_Qb0ZyygJb0lDzvJBTUDxA51K0zkgRsapliZYpb1TDk0GQotqu9gw X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 6151 Lines: 164 > Well, I've got another 120/4.05e that's now displaying "Welcome to > Mbug!" and cheerfully ignoring the power button, so I guess I can > report it works on the platform you already know it works on. Great! I'd actually be happy to hear from anyone who uses it, whichever mailstation they are using, known to work already, or not. > Seems > like Mailbug has a tendency to just lock up whenever anything > unusual > happens, though. The first time I tried reading the SN I had the lpt > port disabled in the BIOS, and Mailbug hung with a timeout error. > Second time was actually after it finished sboot.rom. That locked it > with no message of any kind. Speaking of having the port enabled, I tried (under win 98) disabling the win 98 LPT1 driver, thinking the direct port access might conflict. It didn't work at all. Apparently win 98 is trapping the port writes, and using it's driver to do the actual i/o. You need the driver in win 98 too (but only if you are running under win98, of course. Driver is probably already enabled if you have a parallel port.) There are a number of things that will get you caught in timeout hell. This is an area that I know needs work. I am aware that new users will probably stumble into it, where I manage too avoid it, just because I know these roads a little better. A real old joke comes to mind, patient: "Doctor, it hurts when I do *this*" doctor: "don't do *that*!" (that'll be a $100) I don't know if I can detect that the port is not enabled, but I will take a look at what happens after writing sboot.rom, and see if I can see the hangup. I know that in the very first version of sboot, there definitely was a problem there, but I thought it was fixed. But, I have only gone through the whole procedure once with current sboot. It probably is a good idea to use the "reboot" command (3 on pc keyboard) after writing sboot.rom (after leaving the "update mode"). Which brings up a question, do you remember if you ever got a prompt back after sboot was done flashing? Also, do you remember if the mail LED on mailstation was lit after flashing sboot? The mail LED will be lit whenever sboot is waiting for a command, and off after sboot exec's mbug. The problem might be that the flash code is waiting for the *mailstation* code to reboot (and we erased it, and sboot is what we should look for after the flash). I probably should change it so you are bounced out of the update mode automatically after flashing sboot, because *nothing* in the update mode menu will work after you've erased the original mailstaion code. After sboot is flashed, the bootup sequence should go like this: 1)After any reboot (pc keybd, ms reset button, or jp #0000) sboot waits for a command, with LED on. Then, if you give mailbug a command that requires mbug be running, mailbug will load mbug into ms RAM, and then execute it. (keyboard command "4" will explicitly load mbug). This is accomplished with a sequence of commands to sboot: 2)Mailbug issues a "load" command to sboot, which sboot executes, with LED off. 3)After receiving the first block of mbug code, and writing it to ms RAM, sboot waits for another command with LED on. 4)Mailbug issues another "load" command to sboot, which sboot executes, with LED off. For no real good reason, the load is done 1024 bytes per command, so it takes two loads to send the entire mbug. 5)After receiving the second block of mbug code, and writing it to ms RAM, sboot waits for another command with LED on. 6)Mailbug issues an "exec" command, which sboot executes, with LED off. 7)Previous command put mbug in control, so LED stays off. From sboot's perspective, command never finished, but that's ok, mailbug expects mbug to be in control now. Any further commands will be handled by mbug. The three commands happen so fast you will not see the LED flicker, it looks like LED just turns off. You can think of the LED as saying "welcome to sboot", as opposed to mbug's "welcome to mbug" message that is displayed on the LCD. Sboot only knows how to "load" and "exec". Mbug not only knows "load" & "exec", but also "unload", "iopoke", "iopeek", and a few more (like the breakpoint commands that will work again one day, I promise). > Now I just need to figure out how to get my own code on > the thing. If I understand things correctly, I need to: > * Create a new project by copying the mbug directory This is an area open to personal tastes. You can put your files anywhere you want. The "project" directory sets the default path, and also sets where the disassembler will look for comment files, and where dump files will be written. You can put all your programs in one project if you want, and you can even put them in the same project as your firmware files (assuming you even have the firmware files). You don't *need* any of the files from mbug directory in your project dir, but you might want to copy the assembler there, just so it's easy to find. I really hate ever setting something like that in the "path" environment variable. So I either copy as80 to the project dir, or use the path in any command invoking it. > * Use as80 to assemble my .rom > * Set the (w)orkfile and (l)oad it into RAM > * (g)oto the address where I loaded the .rom That's right. 4000 would be a good place to org your asm files. Then, assuming slot4000 was holding the RAM page you want, (I suggest ram pg #01,) l4000 followed by g4000. Ram pg #01 will be in slot4000 when mbug starts. If you don't do anything that changes it, you can use "4000" as the address. If you are not sure what is in slot4000, then use "1014000" (shorter way of saying "0101:4000") > Am I missing anything? And would you mind pointing out any > good things to avoid doing while I figure out how everything > works? Hmmmm.... Erasing the bootcode would be something to avoid. :-) Other than that, nothing comes to mind. Any questions are welcomed. > This looks like it'll be fun. Thanks for getting this > working with the newer firmware. More fun than a barrel of rubik cubes!!! --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: kat_skan@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91282 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2005 14:44:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2005 14:44:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2005 14:44:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2005 14:43:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2005 14:43:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 14:43:54 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "kat_skan" Subject: Re: safeboot.rom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113074088; y=ipfRD2y7h_erXPE1NG_2od7rmYSJWVBoWSRjHbUFFsg5K2o X-Yahoo-Profile: kat_skan Status: RO Content-Length: 4971 Lines: 112 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Cyrano Jones" wrote: > > Well, I've got another 120/4.05e that's now displaying "Welcome to > > Mbug!" and cheerfully ignoring the power button, so I guess I can > > report it works on the platform you already know it works on. > > Great! > > I'd actually be happy to hear from anyone who uses it, > whichever mailstation they are using, known to work already, or not. > > > Seems > > like Mailbug has a tendency to just lock up whenever anything > > unusual > > happens, though. The first time I tried reading the SN I had the lpt > > port disabled in the BIOS, and Mailbug hung with a timeout error. > > Second time was actually after it finished sboot.rom. That locked it > > with no message of any kind. > > Speaking of having the port enabled, I tried (under win 98) > disabling the win 98 LPT1 driver, thinking the direct port > access might conflict. It didn't work at all. Apparently > win 98 is trapping the port writes, and using it's driver > to do the actual i/o. You need the driver in win 98 too > (but only if you are running under win98, of course. Driver is > probably already enabled if you have a parallel port.) It's DOS, but there were two different mechanisms to disable the parallel port in the BIOS. One's a hardware setting, and the other a security option. I had the latter set for a while and didn't notice. I wonder if in that case the lpt port looks like it's there and is just inaccessable. Tonight I'll see if I get different results if the hardware itself is disabled. > There are a number of things that will get you caught in > timeout hell. This is an area that I know needs work. > I am aware that new users will probably stumble into it, > where I manage too avoid it, just because I know these > roads a little better. > > A real old joke comes to mind, > patient: "Doctor, it hurts when I do *this*" > doctor: "don't do *that*!" > (that'll be a $100) Actually, I tried this specificly because the manual said it wouldn't work. I figured reading the serial number would be a reasonably safe way to determine mailbug's failure mode. > I don't know if I can detect that the port is not enabled, > but I will take a look at what happens after writing sboot.rom, > and see if I can see the hangup. I know that in the very first > version of sboot, there definitely was a problem there, but I > thought it was fixed. But, I have only gone through the > whole procedure once with current sboot. Would it be any easier to just make the procedure more feedbackey? I couldn't really tell whether mailbug was actually hung, or stuck in a loop waiting for something that would never happen, or just on the fourth of five attempts of an operation with a fairly long timeout. > It probably is a good idea to use the "reboot" command > (3 on pc keyboard) after writing sboot.rom (after leaving > the "update mode"). Which brings up a question, do you > remember if you ever got a prompt back after sboot was > done flashing? When it finished writing it stayed in update mode, so I tried reading the SN again and had to reboot. I pulled the power to the mailstation at the same time, but in retrospect I should have tried communicating with it once mailbug was back up to see whether the software got into an unworkable state there, or if the problem was contained to the PC. > Also, do you remember if the mail LED on mailstation > was lit after flashing sboot? The mail LED will be lit > whenever sboot is waiting for a command, and off after > sboot exec's mbug. > > The problem might be that the flash code is waiting > for the *mailstation* code to reboot (and we erased it, > and sboot is what we should look for after the flash). It looked like the mailstation did reboot after the update. The display went blank, at any rate. I'm pretty sure the mail LED lit up, but I can't remember now whether that was after the update or after I power-cycled. > I probably should change it so you are bounced out of the > update mode automatically after flashing sboot, because > *nothing* in the update mode menu will work after you've > erased the original mailstaion code. It also might be helpful to automatically do something benign that would demonstrate that mailbug is still able to communicate with the mailstation now that sboot's in control. After the mailstation reboots, could mailbug (v)erify sboot automatically? > You don't *need* any of the files from mbug directory in > your project dir, but you might want to copy the > assembler there, just so it's easy to find. I really > hate ever setting something like that in the "path" > environment variable. So I either copy as80 to the > project dir, or use the path in any command invoking it. I assume I'll at least need mbug.rom if I want to use anything that requires it to be loaded. Or will mailbug find it even if I'm not using the default project? From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: kat_skan@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91749 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2005 23:44:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2005 23:44:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2005 23:44:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2005 23:44:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2005 23:44:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2005 23:44:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 23:44:42 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "kat_skan" Subject: Re: safeboot.rom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113074088; y=9aeXgVLx3-WbnORVXJbtYdxRFokId18oZclSSHd62UO0U3c X-Yahoo-Profile: kat_skan Status: RO Content-Length: 2399 Lines: 56 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "kat_skan" wrote: > --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Cyrano Jones" > > Speaking of having the port enabled, I tried (under win 98) > > disabling the win 98 LPT1 driver, thinking the direct port > > access might conflict. It didn't work at all. Apparently > > win 98 is trapping the port writes, and using it's driver > > to do the actual i/o. You need the driver in win 98 too > > (but only if you are running under win98, of course. Driver is > > probably already enabled if you have a parallel port.) > > It's DOS, but there were two different mechanisms to disable the > parallel port in the BIOS. One's a hardware setting, and the other a > security option. I had the latter set for a while and didn't notice. > I wonder if in that case the lpt port looks like it's there and is > just inaccessable. Tonight I'll see if I get different results if the > hardware itself is disabled. Okay, here's my initial list of things mailbug doesn't like very much. On an unflashed Mailstation, get (S)erial number produced the following error when I had the cable unplugged, when I had the lpt hardware disabled, and when I had the lpt port locked using the security features of the BIOS. sendtribble: timeout waiting for ms to drop busy. (1) Pressing Esc recovered. Seems I neglected to try that when I was messing around yesterday. On the Mailstation that's running sboot, (S) produced a similar error and the email LED shut off. Esc still recovered, and I could r(3)boot from the main menu. sendtribble: timeout waiting for ms to send. (6) mailstation did not ACK the dataflash command (S) with mbug loaded was slightly more fun. I got the same error as when I tried it against sboot, and Esc still recovered, but when I tried to r(3)boot I got this: Hmmmm... The mailstation's "busy" signal is stuck high. That often means the laplink cable is not connected or that the mailstation is not powered receivetribble: timeout waiting for ms to strobe. 2 (3) receivetribble: timeout waiting for ms to strobe. 3 (3) getack2 sees the bail flag, and exits(false) while waiting for: $ *** Soft reset failed *** Hit mailstation reset button now. (or hit key to skip) Power-cycling the mailstation and lo(4)ding mbug recovered. I'll let you know if I manage to break it in a more interesting way. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64839 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2005 11:19:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2005 11:19:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2005 11:19:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2005 11:18:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2005 11:18:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 11:18:14 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: safeboot.rom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=26Y732MoghrUO2lJBsmgA1JRZhsq0PuNdRKOeY1WBT_sMux8q-g9QjfSiA X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 4935 Lines: 118 > > A real old joke comes to mind, > > patient: "Doctor, it hurts when I do *this*" > > doctor: "don't do *that*!" > > (that'll be a $100) > > Actually, I tried this specificly because the manual said > it wouldn't work. I figured reading the serial number would > be a reasonably safe way to determine mailbug's failure mode. I guess the manual was right! :-) The reason it doesn't work, is that mailbug's serial number read function is interacting with the stock mailstation's serial number read function. After you reflash, it is no longer a mailstation. Some of the low level mailstation code is still there, even the code that does the serial number read is still there. But it is no longer active, because the event loop that waits for the update commands is *gone*. I'll see what I can do to make it more obvious what's happening. > Would it be any easier to just make the procedure more > feedbackey? I couldn't really tell whether mailbug was > actually hung, or stuck in a loop waiting for something > that would never happen, or just on the fourth of five > attempts of an operation with a fairly long timeout. Most of the time, mailbug will timeout anytime it waits more than about a second. And any timeout will display an error message. There are a few cases where it is normal to wait more than a second, and if it is waiting one of those places, it could look hung. (Waiting for a command to complete in "update mode" is one of those places.) I think that all of those "long waits" can be aborted by just hitting key. But, you don't get a message to that effect, something I need to fix. > > It probably is a good idea to use the "reboot" command > > (3 on pc keyboard) after writing sboot.rom (after leaving > > the "update mode"). Which brings up a question, do you > > remember if you ever got a prompt back after sboot was > > done flashing? > > When it finished writing it stayed in update mode, so I > tried reading the SN again and had to reboot. I pulled the > power to the mailstation at the same time, but in retrospect > I should have tried communicating with it once mailbug was > back up to see whether the software got into an unworkable > state there, or if the problem was contained to the PC. Ok, I just tried it. There is a message on the screen: These functions require the original mailstation code be running, and a parallel laplink cable between the pc and the mailstation. This likely will not work anymore after you reflash, since the original mailstation code is erased when reflashing. but maybe it has scrolled off the top after you reflash? Just for kicks, I ignored message, and hit (serial num read). The program will wait forever for the sn read to finish. key aborts it ok, and then I hit to leave the update mode. Back in normal mode, I had to <3> (reboot), because sending the (sn read cmnd) to sboot left it in the middle of receiving a command. The shortest command sboot takes is 3 bytes, and the sn read only sends 1 byte before it waits for a response. I looked at the mailbug code, and for some reason I had used the "read with no timeout" function when asking the mailstation to enter the dataflash mode, in addition to the wait after reboot. I changed the wait on entering dataflash mode it to "read with timeout", and now trying to read sn on a mailstation with sboot gives 3 timeout errors (takes 3 seconds) and then you get the prompt back. I hope there was not a reason it was that way, that I just don't remember. It seems to work better now, so I will leave it changed. (I wrote the dataflash code over a year ago now, before I even started the codeflash routines.) > > I probably should change it so you are bounced out of the > > update mode automatically after flashing sboot, because > > *nothing* in the update mode menu will work after you've > > erased the original mailstaion code. > > It also might be helpful to automatically do something benign that > would demonstrate that mailbug is still able to communicate with > the mailstation now that sboot's in control. After the mailstation > reboots, could mailbug (v)erify sboot automatically? That's a real good idea. Thanks! And I suppose it may be good to verify on entry that the mailstation responds to the "update commands", so we know there it is not already reflashed. > I assume I'll at least need mbug.rom if I want to use anything that > requires it to be loaded. Or will mailbug find it even if I'm not > using the default project? Right, mailbug will find it, regardless of project dir. I have been in habit of using <3> <4> sequence (from the main mode) to verify communication with mbug. Actually just <4> will verify mbug is still there. The <3> will put you back to boot code (either sboot or mboot) and force mbug to reload. But it happens so fast, I usually just do both <3> <4>. --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62297 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2005 22:45:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2005 22:45:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2005 22:45:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2005 22:45:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2005 22:45:30 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 22:45:29 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Mbug has a bug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=qEx23Q2ePIGoA88kAQbFdo0cuzgFvarvu2o-L8FpD811j5iFeRCtmr0_Ow X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 273 Lines: 13 I just noticed a minor bug, the welcome message does not display anymore on the older mailstations. It still works, just no message. If anyone is working with old ms, I can post fix for just that. Otherwise I will wait till I have a few more things worked out. --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88922 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2005 23:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2005 23:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.62) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2005 23:29:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2005 23:29:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2005 23:29:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2005 23:29:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 23:29:46 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: hello world X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=YsQmdSTpAWQF67b5wFpFgbOeag17Ob5vZDQVa5hifZZjKm4KdaRPHwwU-Q X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 439 Lines: 19 There is a new version of hello world. This one should display on either the new or old mailstations. There is a .bat file that has the command to assemble hello.asm to .hello.rom, with the necessary command line options. I uploaded both the source & bat as .txt, so they can be viewed with web browser. Files > Mailbug > mailbug_0.0.3 > hello http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/files/Mailbug/mailbug_0.0.3/ hello/ --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ygator@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14772 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2005 05:20:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2005 05:20:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.58) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2005 05:20:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n29.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2005 05:20:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2005 05:20:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:20:22 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "ygator" Subject: MS 150 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63329770; y=orOX5w_Htv9wbku8RYhA8CAzwJJDjTVzQ8eYI7llsAnw X-Yahoo-Profile: ygator Status: RO Content-Length: 356 Lines: 10 How do you make it so you can change the settings? I am able to Hold Function-D and hit the reset button to boot into the "Reset System Data" menu with and without the "Restore Default Account" option. I have selected "Restore Default Account" and answered Yes and tried No, but an unable to change the settings. Is there something I am missing? From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: bmarcum@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8872 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2005 19:09:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2005 19:09:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rdsmtp.iglou.com) (192.107.41.63) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2005 19:09:26 -0000 Received: from [192.107.41.8] (helo=iglou2.iglou.com) by rdsmtp.iglou.com with esmtp (8.12.5/8.12.5) id 1Dko7h-0002V6-Cs for mailstation@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:09:25 -0400 Received: from [204.255.239.123] (helo=don.localnet) by iglou2.iglou.com with esmtp (8.12.5/8.12.5) id 1Dko7f-0005hD-GY for mailstation@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:09:25 -0400 Received: by don.localnet (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EA4194199; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:26:45 -0400 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <20050621122645.GC28477@...> Mail-Followup-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: bmarcum@... (Bill Marcum) From: bmarcum@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] MS 150 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2511197; y=wWjPzo_Fz0D9NZXwCMm6OyqH1yo0680Gd8GrFAU9e-Y-8ux6 X-Yahoo-Profile: billmkatt Status: RO Content-Length: 531 Lines: 15 On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 05:20:22AM -0000, ygator wrote: > How do you make it so you can change the settings? > > I am able to Hold Function-D and hit the reset button to boot into > the "Reset System Data" menu with and without the "Restore Default > Account" option. I have selected "Restore Default Account" and > answered Yes and tried No, but an unable to change the settings. Is > there something I am missing? > Answer yes and quickly press reset. -- "Hello, zeeba neighba!" --crocodile in "Pearls Before Swine" From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ygator@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53311 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2005 01:39:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2005 01:39:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2005 01:39:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2005 01:39:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2005 01:39:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:39:07 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050621122645.GC28477@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "ygator" Subject: Re: MS 150 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63329770; y=gRDuQibARwwIqj_0DJ7yiK9AUL6A4wBKWbZCe_Yli1y2 X-Yahoo-Profile: ygator Status: RO Content-Length: 576 Lines: 17 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, bmarcum@i... wrote: > On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 05:20:22AM -0000, ygator wrote: > > How do you make it so you can change the settings? > > > > I am able to Hold Function-D and hit the reset button to boot into > > the "Reset System Data" menu with and without the "Restore Default > > Account" option. I have selected "Restore Default Account" and > > answered Yes and tried No, but an unable to change the settings. Is > > there something I am missing? > > > Answer yes and quickly press reset. Thanks, did it on the first try. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: k5fni@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72352 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 03:40:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 03:40:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 03:40:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n4.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 03:40:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 03:40:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 03:40:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 03:40:06 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Richard Herndon" Subject: Attempt to use Netzero account with hacked MS failing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203982406; y=VmZ-mTCs8gih8CXC2EsoyAT2gfDjUeYcO2BWRycVE7uo X-Yahoo-Profile: rehfni Status: RO Content-Length: 1520 Lines: 45 Okay, I'm back with another question. Assistance pliz. I got through getting my own account set up okay (with my local ISP...he was sitting in the room while I set it up...we didn't have problems). I set up an account for my son (with NetZero), who will be the eventual recipient of the test machine. I filled out the material on the question screen (with appropriate x's where I don't want to say): == User Name: xxx Dial-Up No: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Reply-To: xxx@... E-Mail Address xxx@... E-mail Password: xxxxxxxxxxxx POP3 Server: pop.netzero.net SMTP Server: smtp.netzero.net ISP Account: xxx ISP Password: xxxxxxxxxxxx Primary DNS: 0.0.0.0 == I dial up the long distance number (there aren't any local to Ganado TX ) and get the obvious modem sounds, logging on report, then it hangs up and says that the service is unavailable or busy. I don't think it is busy. I'm concerned that I don't know the DNS numbers to plug in above. (Do I need them?) I'm also concerned that I just used the email prefix (in my case just three letters where I've shown xxx above) for the ISP Account and User Name information should go. Are these correct? I'm in the dark and can't really ask the free ISP any questions. Has anyone here actually set up a free NetZero account and been successful? If so, PLEASE help me out. Trying desperately to get my adult son to communicate frequently by email, as I know he leads a busy life and doesn't always just sit by the phone for my calls. Thanks in advance, Rick K5FNI Ganado TX From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 67271 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 03:42:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 03:42:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 03:42:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 03:42:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 03:42:31 -0000 Date: 24 Jun 2005 03:42:28 -0000 Message-ID: <1119584548.1367.99202.w103@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to mailstation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 527 Lines: 27 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the mailstation group. File : /mailstation.doc Uploaded by : rehfni Description : Explicit instructions for hacking CIDCO DET2 MIVO 200 You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/files/mailstation.doc To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, rehfni From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: k5fni@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16433 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 03:57:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 03:57:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 03:57:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 03:56:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 03:56:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 03:56:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 03:56:40 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Richard Herndon" Subject: File just uploaded: changed the filename X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203982406; y=PwCDwWZzFYP8fewDVtrOl4WMhYH2hzbGdqfCz8X2XCAq X-Yahoo-Profile: rehfni Status: RO Content-Length: 304 Lines: 13 If you click on the file I just uploaded, the name has changed, so you won't see it. You actually have to go to the file CIDCOHack.doc I thought naming it just Mailstation.doc wasn't quite good for the goup's folder use. It is okay on my machine to call it that. Sri bout that, Rick K5FNI Ganado TX From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87037 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 04:59:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 04:59:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.24) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 04:59:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 1573 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 04:59:43 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 24 Jun 2005 04:59:43 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 22:00:37 -0700 Message-Id: <1119589238.23680.151.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Attempt to use Netzero account with hacked MS failing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=OccGyHwdr1F32eroQ9Ef5vHGfYh50BNPpKnJ-UuGuKjwHLiPYg X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 2428 Lines: 77 pop.netzero.net and smtp.netzero.net are DNS names, so presumably you will need a DNS address to resolve them. So I think you need to put one. Until you find it, you can try replacing the DNS names the actual IP addresses for the pop and smtp servers: smtp.netzero.net 64.136.29.92 pop.netzero.net 64.136.28.166 -- John. On Fri, 2005-06-24 at 03:40 +0000, Richard Herndon wrote: > Okay, I'm back with another question. Assistance pliz. > > I got through getting my own account set up okay (with my local > ISP...he was sitting in the room while I set it up...we didn't have > problems). I set up an account for my son (with NetZero), who will be > the eventual recipient of the test machine. I filled out the material > on the question screen (with appropriate x's where I don't want to > say): > == > User Name: xxx > Dial-Up No: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Reply-To: xxx@... > E-Mail Address xxx@... > E-mail Password: xxxxxxxxxxxx > POP3 Server: pop.netzero.net > SMTP Server: smtp.netzero.net > ISP Account: xxx > ISP Password: xxxxxxxxxxxx > Primary DNS: 0.0.0.0 > == > I dial up the long distance number (there aren't any local to Ganado > TX ) and get the obvious modem sounds, logging on report, then it > hangs up and says that the service is unavailable or busy. > > I don't think it is busy. I'm concerned that I don't know the DNS > numbers to plug in above. (Do I need them?) > I'm also concerned that I just used the email prefix (in my case just > three letters where I've shown xxx above) for the ISP Account and User > Name information should go. > > Are these correct? I'm in the dark and can't really ask the free ISP > any questions. Has anyone here actually set up a free NetZero account > and been successful? If so, PLEASE help me out. > > Trying desperately to get my adult son to communicate frequently by > email, as I know he leads a busy life and doesn't always just sit by > the phone for my calls. > > Thanks in advance, > Rick K5FNI > Ganado TX > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Groups Links > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/ > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > mailstation-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: mecram@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32653 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 12:27:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 12:27:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.203) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 12:27:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 19730 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 12:26:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (mecram@...@65.65.99.40 with login) by smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 12:26:55 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.323 [267.8.0]); Fri, 24 Jun 2005 07:26:53 -0500 Message-ID: <42BBFC0B.4010606@...> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 07:26:51 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: Milt Cram From: Milt Cram Subject: Re: [mailstation] Attempt to use Netzero account with hacked MS failing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=55290563; y=xZSYPopnfzy0YHX8ICcNxs_-0DRNe3o78DpsKZOAtQM X-Yahoo-Profile: w8nue Status: RO Content-Length: 2540 Lines: 73 Richard Herndon wrote: > Okay, I'm back with another question. Assistance pliz. > > I got through getting my own account set up okay (with my local > ISP...he was sitting in the room while I set it up...we didn't have > problems). I set up an account for my son (with NetZero), who will be > the eventual recipient of the test machine. I filled out the material > on the question screen (with appropriate x's where I don't want to > say): > == > User Name: xxx > Dial-Up No: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Reply-To: xxx@... > E-Mail Address xxx@... > E-mail Password: xxxxxxxxxxxx > POP3 Server: pop.netzero.net > SMTP Server: smtp.netzero.net > ISP Account: xxx > ISP Password: xxxxxxxxxxxx > Primary DNS: 0.0.0.0 > == > I dial up the long distance number (there aren't any local to Ganado > TX ) and get the obvious modem sounds, logging on report, then it > hangs up and says that the service is unavailable or busy. > > I don't think it is busy. I'm concerned that I don't know the DNS > numbers to plug in above. (Do I need them?) > I'm also concerned that I just used the email prefix (in my case just > three letters where I've shown xxx above) for the ISP Account and User > Name information should go. > > Are these correct? I'm in the dark and can't really ask the free ISP > any questions. Has anyone here actually set up a free NetZero account > and been successful? If so, PLEASE help me out. > > Trying desperately to get my adult son to communicate frequently by > email, as I know he leads a busy life and doesn't always just sit by > the phone for my calls. > > Thanks in advance, > Rick K5FNI > Ganado TX > > Rick, You do need the DNS numbers for the Mailstation to work. You should be able to determine them by normally logging onto NetZero with your PC. Then, while logged on, run IPCONFIG on the PC. The data that then appears on your screen should include the DNS number for NetZero. This should work unless NetZero is providing a "dynamic" DNS, which changes each time you log in.. Also, the ISP account and password should be the same as the email address and password, since you have only one account with NetZero. Also, be aware that Mailstation is limited to 8k bytes per email. Consequently, no images--just text. Hope this helps. If you need additional info, email me back, or contact Curt-W4QBU (we both have Mailstation 120s). Milt W8NUE Austin TX -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.0/27 - Release Date: 6/23/2005 From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: mecram@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34189 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 13:45:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 13:45:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.204) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 13:45:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 56916 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 13:45:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (mecram@...@65.65.99.40 with login) by smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 13:45:28 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.323 [267.8.0]); Fri, 24 Jun 2005 08:45:26 -0500 Message-ID: <42BC0E74.7050505@...> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 08:45:24 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: Milt Cram From: Milt Cram Subject: Re: [mailstation] Attempt to use Netzero account with hacked MS failing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=55290563; y=KKgk6j9YN3nXGraHxXR4SXxOku6gz7Qre7w88CgYLFU X-Yahoo-Profile: w8nue Status: RO Content-Length: 1923 Lines: 61 Richard Herndon wrote: > Okay, I'm back with another question. Assistance pliz. > > I got through getting my own account set up okay (with my local > ISP...he was sitting in the room while I set it up...we didn't have > problems). I set up an account for my son (with NetZero), who will be > the eventual recipient of the test machine. I filled out the material > on the question screen (with appropriate x's where I don't want to > say): > == > User Name: xxx > Dial-Up No: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Reply-To: xxx@... > E-Mail Address xxx@... > E-mail Password: xxxxxxxxxxxx > POP3 Server: pop.netzero.net > SMTP Server: smtp.netzero.net > ISP Account: xxx > ISP Password: xxxxxxxxxxxx > Primary DNS: 0.0.0.0 > == > I dial up the long distance number (there aren't any local to Ganado > TX ) and get the obvious modem sounds, logging on report, then it > hangs up and says that the service is unavailable or busy. > > I don't think it is busy. I'm concerned that I don't know the DNS > numbers to plug in above. (Do I need them?) > I'm also concerned that I just used the email prefix (in my case just > three letters where I've shown xxx above) for the ISP Account and User > Name information should go. > > Are these correct? I'm in the dark and can't really ask the free ISP > any questions. Has anyone here actually set up a free NetZero account > and been successful? If so, PLEASE help me out. > > Trying desperately to get my adult son to communicate frequently by > email, as I know he leads a busy life and doesn't always just sit by > the phone for my calls. > > Thanks in advance, > Rick K5FNI > Ganado TX > > Rick, One additional note for my previous response. When running IPCONFIG, use the /all switch (i.e. ipconfig/all) to get the DNS numbers. Milt W8NUE -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.0/27 - Release Date: 6/23/2005 From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: k5fni@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20452 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 15:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 15:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 15:44:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 15:44:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 15:44:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 15:44:40 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1119589238.23680.151.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Richard Herndon" Subject: Re: Attempt to use Netzero account with hacked MS failing-More help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203982406; y=ysb8qq0MGeMpv3LARZ428b4OZXi1_mOcovOkUD3hiBXQ X-Yahoo-Profile: rehfni Status: RO Content-Length: 2347 Lines: 73 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > pop.netzero.net > > and > > smtp.netzero.net > > are DNS names, so presumably you will need a DNS address to resolve > them. So I think you need to put one. > > Until you find it, you can try replacing the DNS names the actual IP > addresses for the pop and smtp servers: > > smtp.netzero.net 64.136.29.92 > pop.netzero.net 64.136.28.166 > > -- John. John, et al: I'm gonna have to quit doing stuff in the middle of the night with no sleep. ;) I REALLY signed him up with Juno.com instead of NetZero.net. I tried to follow your instructions, but got no results. Here's what I did: 1. I fixed the account setup in the MailStation from NetZero to Juno, though I didn't know I'd have to erase all I had in there to do so. It now reads: == User Name: xxx Dial-Up No: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Reply-To: xxx@n... E-Mail Address xxx@n... E-mail Password: xxxxxxxxxxxx POP3 Server: pop.juno.com SMTP Server: smtp.juno.com ISP Account: xxx ISP Password: xxxxxxxxxxxx Primary DNS: 0.0.0.0 == 2. I tried to get the DNS entry for the POP3 server at Juno.com from your instructions: I printed the results before connecting to Juno.com and after and they didn't vary. I am using DSL with a WiFi modem/router. I guess the command can't get through the router beyond my ISP's DNS address. ?? Maybe someone else can get the address for me. Sorry that I am unable to comply here. Lack of knowledge excels. ;) 3. I filled in the info as shown above and tried to send a test message with the same results. Now it is possible that the thing is actually busy, but the other time I tried it was VERY late at night. This time it is mid-morning in Austin, where I'm calling to. Another reason I don't think it is busy is that the device said it was "Logging In" and the bar graph went across and the modem shut up like it had actually connected and gotten beyond the handshaking stage. I'm tapping my fingers on the keys and trying to have patience. It has just been many years since I've actually had to mess with the vagaries and frustrations of modem comms. First, cable modem, then DSL have both really spoiled me to just being confident that I can just march in here and the machine is connected. Thanks in advance for your help and patience. 73, Rick K5FNI Ganado TX From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 470 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 16:43:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 16:43:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.29) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 16:43:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 9907 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 16:43:42 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 24 Jun 2005 16:43:42 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 09:44:42 -0700 Message-Id: <1119631482.23680.168.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Attempt to use Netzero account with hacked MS failing-More help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=zCGemayI9TQr4pg3-nfB8F7czvmkZcPQiOx9DZx6UbxtohNH4w X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 2762 Lines: 81 On Fri, 2005-06-24 at 15:44 +0000, Richard Herndon wrote: > John, et al: > > I'm gonna have to quit doing stuff in the middle of the night with no > sleep. ;) > > I REALLY signed him up with Juno.com instead of NetZero.net. > I tried to follow your instructions, but got no results. Here's what I > did: > 1. I fixed the account setup in the MailStation from NetZero to Juno, > though I didn't know I'd have to erase all I had in there to do so. > > It now reads: > == > User Name: xxx > Dial-Up No: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Reply-To: xxx@n... > E-Mail Address xxx@n... > E-mail Password: xxxxxxxxxxxx > POP3 Server: pop.juno.com > SMTP Server: smtp.juno.com > ISP Account: xxx > ISP Password: xxxxxxxxxxxx > Primary DNS: 0.0.0.0 > == > > 2. I tried to get the DNS entry for the POP3 server at Juno.com from > your instructions: I printed the results before connecting to Juno.com > and after and they didn't vary. I am using DSL with a WiFi > modem/router. I guess the command can't get through the router beyond > my ISP's DNS address. ?? Maybe someone else can get the address for > me. Sorry that I am unable to comply here. Lack of knowledge excels. > ;) > Well the IP addresses I gave will probably only work for the service you signed up for, so ignore the previous IP addresses. To get the DNS entry for Juno you can follow Milt's instructions. Just follow their instructions to get it to log in to juno from windows, and then run either ipconfig from command prompt (under Windows NT, W2K, or XP) or winipcfg from Windows 95, 98 or ME. This will give you the DNS address. If you have the DNS address you don't need to resolve the smtp and pop addresses by hand. The point of this is, smtp.juno.com and pop.juno.com are DNS names. For the mailstation to be able to send (smtp) or receive (pop) mail, it will have to talk to actual servers and their actual IP addresses. smtp.juno.com and pop.juno.com are not IP addresses. They are DNS names, and normally can be traded in to the DNS server for IP addresses. But in the example above, your DNS server IP is 0.0.0.0 so there is no chance of sending mail in this configuration. Now it is possible that the Mailstation could talk to the smtp server and pop server if it has the raw IP addresses. But it might not. Best thing is to put the DNS IP. Second best is to try again with JUNO's mail server addresses. If you just want to do a test without the DNS number, you might try resolving the pop.juno.com and smtp.juno.com on your desktop PC. Just open a ms-dos prompt and type ping pop.juno.com that will give you their pop Ip address and ping smtp.juno.com I got: PING pop.juno.com (64.136.20.167): 56 data bytes ... PING smtp.juno.com (64.136.21.93): 56 data bytes ... -- John. 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X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60709 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 19:03:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 19:03:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.224) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 19:03:28 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.171.132]) by priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20050624190327.UGBH9335.priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:03:27 -0600 Message-ID: <007a01c578ef$66be6dc0$84ab74ce@...> To: References: Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:00:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Attempt to use Netzero account with hacked MS failing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100; y=Z2DyJTNt0kt5rmQj9Z8xNm9q_zBRMMahjHeym_wR9YJm5i7uFA X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 965 Lines: 29 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Herndon" > Okay, I'm back with another question. Assistance pliz. > > I got through getting my own account set up okay (with my local > ISP...he was sitting in the room while I set it up...we didn't have > problems). I set up an account for my son (with NetZero), who will be > the eventual recipient of the test machine. I suspect neither NetZero nor Juno will work. I used NetZero for a while, but it needed a Windows computer so it could put it's banner on the screen. Also, it was very difficult to get on as even if you had unused time there was some sort of limit on how many free users could be on the service at once. YMMV. http://www.netzero.net/signup/requirements.html http://www.juno.com/signup/requirements.html I'd look around locally for a cheap dial up ISP and make your best deal. If you tell them you need 5 minutes per day max for email only they may make you a good offer. Neil From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: k5fni@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16446 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 20:54:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 20:54:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 20:54:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 20:54:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 20:54:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 20:54:17 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1119631482.23680.168.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Richard Herndon" Subject: Re: Attempt to use Netzero account with hacked MS failing-More help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203982406; y=bCXfHHqJ48ObSOkXuh_4dAVR9B2CfacFC4leWJV4Vb4l X-Yahoo-Profile: rehfni Status: RO Content-Length: 3029 Lines: 89 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > On Fri, 2005-06-24 at 15:44 +0000, Richard Herndon wrote: > > It now reads: > > == > > User Name: xxx > > Dial-Up No: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Reply-To: xxx@n... > > E-Mail Address xxx@n... > > E-mail Password: xxxxxxxxxxxx > > POP3 Server: pop.juno.com > > SMTP Server: smtp.juno.com > > ISP Account: xxx > > ISP Password: xxxxxxxxxxxx > > Primary DNS: 0.0.0.0 > > == John H. replies today: > Well the IP addresses I gave will probably only work for the service you > signed up for, so ignore the previous IP addresses. > > To get the DNS entry for Juno you can follow Milt's instructions. Just > follow their instructions to get it to log in to juno from windows, and > then run either ipconfig from command prompt (under Windows NT, W2K, or > XP) or winipcfg from Windows 95, 98 or ME. This will give you the DNS > address. If you have the DNS address you don't need to resolve the smtp > and pop addresses by hand. > > The point of this is, smtp.juno.com and pop.juno.com are DNS names. For > the mailstation to be able to send (smtp) or receive (pop) mail, it will > have to talk to actual servers and their actual IP addresses. > smtp.juno.com and pop.juno.com are not IP addresses. They are DNS names, > and normally can be traded in to the DNS server for IP addresses. But in > the example above, your DNS server IP is 0.0.0.0 so there is no chance > of sending mail in this configuration. > > Now it is possible that the Mailstation could talk to the smtp server > and pop server if it has the raw IP addresses. But it might not. Best > thing is to put the DNS IP. Second best is to try again with JUNO's mail > server addresses. > > If you just want to do a test without the DNS number, you might try > resolving the pop.juno.com and smtp.juno.com on your desktop PC. Just > open a ms-dos prompt and type > > ping pop.juno.com > > that will give you their pop Ip address > > and > > ping smtp.juno.com > > I got: > > PING pop.juno.com (64.136.20.167): 56 data bytes > ... > PING smtp.juno.com (64.136.21.93): 56 data bytes John, Using both your values for the DNS, entered one at a time netted me zero results different from last time. I did find an additional error pointed out to me by the firmware: the user name I entered was erroneously entered by me as the email address. The firmware notified me to take out the @ and try again. I just put in my son's name this time. Still no worky. I'm still appealing to someone who has had a free service work for them with a Mailstation to get back with me here and tell me what you did. Several folks said in the last month or so that they were going to try a free service. Where are they? Hayelp. John, the one problem I have with entering the two numbers is that I don't know which to use or if there is supposed to be some general DNS address entered. Obviously, neither works okay for Juno. I'm close to wit's end. Maybe I should try another service? 73, Rick K5FNI Ganado TX From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33310 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 21:04:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 21:04:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail28.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.30) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 21:04:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 21335 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 21:04:25 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail28.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 24 Jun 2005 21:04:25 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 14:05:27 -0700 Message-Id: <1119647127.766.16.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Attempt to use Netzero account with hacked MS failing-More help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=bOgi6vXLyuqJsucPz5FcY3RGKnKZlwVEQwaigL54AdrxQ75aPg X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 4076 Lines: 126 On Fri, 2005-06-24 at 20:54 +0000, Richard Herndon wrote: > --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > > On Fri, 2005-06-24 at 15:44 +0000, Richard Herndon wrote: > > > It now reads: > > > == > > > User Name: xxx > > > Dial-Up No: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Reply-To: xxx@n... > > > E-Mail Address xxx@n... > > > E-mail Password: xxxxxxxxxxxx > > > POP3 Server: pop.juno.com > > > SMTP Server: smtp.juno.com > > > ISP Account: xxx > > > ISP Password: xxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Primary DNS: 0.0.0.0 > > > == > > John H. replies today: > > Well the IP addresses I gave will probably only work for the service > you > > signed up for, so ignore the previous IP addresses. > > > > To get the DNS entry for Juno you can follow Milt's instructions. > Just > > follow their instructions to get it to log in to juno from windows, > and > > then run either ipconfig from command prompt (under Windows NT, W2K, > or > > XP) or winipcfg from Windows 95, 98 or ME. This will give you the > DNS > > address. If you have the DNS address you don't need to resolve the > smtp > > and pop addresses by hand. > > > > The point of this is, smtp.juno.com and pop.juno.com are DNS names. > For > > the mailstation to be able to send (smtp) or receive (pop) mail, it > will > > have to talk to actual servers and their actual IP addresses. > > smtp.juno.com and pop.juno.com are not IP addresses. They are DNS > names, > > and normally can be traded in to the DNS server for IP addresses. > But in > > the example above, your DNS server IP is 0.0.0.0 so there is no > chance > > of sending mail in this configuration. > > > > Now it is possible that the Mailstation could talk to the smtp > server > > and pop server if it has the raw IP addresses. But it might not. > Best > > thing is to put the DNS IP. Second best is to try again with JUNO's > mail > > server addresses. > > > > If you just want to do a test without the DNS number, you might try > > resolving the pop.juno.com and smtp.juno.com on your desktop PC. > Just > > open a ms-dos prompt and type > > > > ping pop.juno.com > > > > that will give you their pop Ip address > > > > and > > > > ping smtp.juno.com > > > > I got: > > > > PING pop.juno.com (64.136.20.167): 56 data bytes > > ... > > PING smtp.juno.com (64.136.21.93): 56 data bytes > > John, > > Using both your values for the DNS, entered one at a time netted me > zero results different from last time. No, I didn't give you a DNS IP address. Both of those are mail server addresses. You need to replace each mail server with the associated address. Where you have configured pop.juno.com instead try 64.136.20.167 Where you have configured smtp.juno.com instead try 64.136.21.93 > > I did find an additional error pointed out to me by the firmware: the > user name I entered was erroneously entered by me as the email > address. The firmware notified me to take out the @ and try again. I > just put in my son's name this time. Gotta get it all right at once. > > Still no worky. > > I'm still appealing to someone who has had a free service work for > them with a Mailstation to get back with me here and tell me what you > did. Several folks said in the last month or so that they were going > to try a free service. Where are they? Hayelp. > > John, the one problem I have with entering the two numbers is that I > don't know which to use or if there is supposed to be some general DNS > address entered. Obviously, neither works okay for Juno. > > I'm close to wit's end. > You just have to follow directions ;-) And I need to learn to give better ones. Now, as I said Milt may be giving you better advice here: just get the actual DNS address! To do this, you need to connect to Juno from a Windows desktop as he described. Then you can find out from Windows what the DNS server IP address after you connect to it. Juno, netzero etc. may or may not work. But the MS probably does require a valid DNS address, so until you've done a valid test with all necessary parameters there's no reason to give up. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: k5fni@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5314 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 23:51:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 23:51:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.57) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 23:51:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n28.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 23:51:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 23:51:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 23:51:45 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1119647127.766.16.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Richard Herndon" Subject: Re: Attempt to use Netzero account with hacked MS failing-More help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203982406; y=kVFcSVz3ugK27JOAevBK9t4d9IYjLRpdBy0VoZfZj3QG X-Yahoo-Profile: rehfni Status: RO Content-Length: 2203 Lines: 70 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > > > open a ms-dos prompt and type > > > > > > ping pop.juno.com > > > > > > that will give you their pop Ip address > > > > > > and > > > > > > ping smtp.juno.com > > > > > > I got: > > > > > > PING pop.juno.com (64.136.20.167): 56 data bytes > > > ... > > > PING smtp.juno.com (64.136.21.93): 56 data bytes > > > > John, > > > > Using both your values for the DNS, entered one at a time netted me > > zero results different from last time. > > > No, I didn't give you a DNS IP address. Both of those are mail server > addresses. You need to replace each mail server with the associated > address. > > Where you have configured pop.juno.com instead try 64.136.20.167 > > Where you have configured smtp.juno.com instead try 64.136.21.93 John, I did this with no different results. > Gotta get it all right at once. Now what? > > I'm still appealing to someone who has had a free service work for > > them with a Mailstation to get back with me here and tell me what you > > did. Several folks said in the last month or so that they were going > > to try a free service. Where are they? Hayelp. Still looking for the above folks. I'll be patient and hope they read their mail in the next few days. > You just have to follow directions ;-) And I need to learn to give > better ones. > > Now, as I said Milt may be giving you better advice here: just get the > actual DNS address! To do this, you need to connect to Juno from a > Windows desktop as he described. Then you can find out from Windows what > the DNS server IP address after you connect to it. > > Juno, netzero etc. may or may not work. But the MS probably does require > a valid DNS address, so until you've done a valid test with all > necessary parameters there's no reason to give up. As I reported earlier today, I do not seem to be able to do the requested search on my machine, possibly due to it being behind a WiFi/router. I seem to get the same DNS address whether or not I'm logged in to Juno. Can someone else try this both ways and let me know the address they find when logged in to Juno? With sugar on it? Thanks, Rick From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97701 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2005 00:18:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2005 00:18:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.29) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2005 00:18:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 17150 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2005 00:18:11 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 25 Jun 2005 00:18:10 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 17:19:14 -0700 Message-Id: <1119658754.766.42.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Attempt to use Netzero account with hacked MS failing-More help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=ta3hHoxCl5ykFEjKkP-xblL2LUMh2Jqn33zLLqKk5U-GR6K9MA X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 817 Lines: 27 On Fri, 2005-06-24 at 23:51 +0000, Richard Herndon wrote: > > As I reported earlier today, I do not seem to be able to do the > requested search on my machine, possibly due to it being behind a > WiFi/router. I seem to get the same DNS address whether or not I'm > logged in to Juno. Can someone else try this both ways and let me know > the address they find when logged in to Juno? With sugar on it? Hmm... are you dialing up from your machine? What OS are you running? You need to a) Connect to Juno via dialup b) Run winipcfg (Win98) or ipconfig (NT) c) Look for your dial up adapter... it will either be in the dump printed by opconfig, or a drop-down selection from Win98. You should be able to find the DNS name there. I don't have a Windows box with a modem, or I'd do it for you myself. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66564 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2005 06:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2005 06:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.29) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2005 06:23:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 24904 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2005 06:23:30 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 25 Jun 2005 06:23:30 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 23:24:37 -0700 Message-Id: <1119680677.766.58.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Attempt to use Netzero account with hacked MS failing-More help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=IEnAn3SA5w4aDBiD8E55Q54LShnWtuRTjqVHEOiyMcr53XsAfQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 1564 Lines: 43 On Fri, 2005-06-24 at 20:54 +0000, Richard Herndon wrote: > --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > > On Fri, 2005-06-24 at 15:44 +0000, Richard Herndon wrote: > > > It now reads: > > > == > > > User Name: xxx > > > Dial-Up No: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Reply-To: xxx@n... > > > E-Mail Address xxx@n... > > > E-mail Password: xxxxxxxxxxxx > > > POP3 Server: pop.juno.com > > > SMTP Server: smtp.juno.com > > > ISP Account: xxx > > > ISP Password: xxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Primary DNS: 0.0.0.0 > > > == OK, I was able to set up an account and connect to Juno from my laptop. The DNS servers for Juno are 64.136.20.120 and 64.136.28.120 Unfortunately though I cannot get a MS (Black DET-1) to send or receive mail through Juno. It dials, but gives the same error that you described. Now, I connected again to Juno, and set up Outlook Express to collect mail. The only thing I can get from Juno is an initial message that "Access to Juno email using an off-line email program, such as Outlook Express, is not available to Free members." Since the MS can't use a webmail facility, there is no way to make use of Juno with the Free account. Is that what you're using? If so, I think you'll need to find another service, and probably have to pay a little bit. Or you could use Juno, but you have to sign for one of the paid accounts. But I don't see much point to that... you are better off finding a low price provider on the web. That said, if you pay a little bit it's more likely they'll be willing to help you get the thing set up. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: k5fni@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8040 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2005 19:13:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2005 19:13:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2005 19:13:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2005 19:13:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2005 19:13:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 19:13:23 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1119658754.766.42.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Richard Herndon" Subject: Re: Attempt to use Netzero account with hacked MS failing-More help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203982406; y=OPDQsI7YeX2EQGzeaCKxymHRIz4lv-NfoxZg3Aj2AGgr X-Yahoo-Profile: rehfni Status: RO Content-Length: 1413 Lines: 35 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > On Fri, 2005-06-24 at 23:51 +0000, Richard Herndon wrote: > > As I reported earlier today, I do not seem to be able to do the > > requested search on my machine, possibly due to it being behind a > > WiFi/router. I seem to get the same DNS address whether or not I'm > > logged in to Juno. Can someone else try this both ways and let me know > > the address they find when logged in to Juno? With sugar on it? > Hmm... are you dialing up from your machine? No, I was using my XP Home machine and logging in via the Web. > You need to > a) Connect to Juno via dialup > b) Run winipcfg (Win98) or ipconfig (NT) > c) Look for your dial up adapter... it will either be in the dump > printed by opconfig, or a drop-down selection from Win98. > You should be able to find the DNS name there. > > I don't have a Windows box with a modem, or I'd do it for you myself. I do own a Win95b Omnibook 800CT that has a PCMCIA modem. I'll try that. I guess you finally did give better instructions. I was just flailing away with the XP box and not understanding why it didn't work as it 'should'. Does winipcfg command work with Win95b? Thanks for all your assistance. I've been leaving this thread on the group, so any others having as much trouble as I'm having will see the path we're taking to get to a (hopeful) resolution. Rick From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20026 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2005 21:34:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2005 21:34:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.220) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2005 21:34:07 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.171.132]) by priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20050625213406.RHLC23577.priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 15:34:06 -0600 Message-ID: <018f01c579cd$9d5e80c0$84ab74ce@...> To: References: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:30:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Attempt to use Netzero account with hacked MS failing-More help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100; y=HDBqx5J4wLwHCmylPTqhSdyRVkg6V-kD8gmA6AI6KgHnpCIrTA X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 712 Lines: 23 http://www.lights.com/pickalink/freeisp/ http://www2.vcn.bc.ca/freenets have info on free ISP's. I don't believe that Juno supports anything below Windows now. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Herndon" > I do own a Win95b Omnibook 800CT that has a PCMCIA modem. I'll try > that. I guess you finally did give better instructions. I was just > flailing away with the XP box and not understanding why it didn't work > as it 'should'. Does winipcfg command work with Win95b? > > Thanks for all your assistance. I've been leaving this thread on the > group, so any others having as much trouble as I'm having will see the > path we're taking to get to a (hopeful) resolution. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: steamerw@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75957 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2005 09:40:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2005 09:40:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta10.adelphia.net) (68.168.78.202) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2005 09:40:13 -0000 Received: from steamer ([69.164.123.216]) by mta10.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.01 201-2131-118-101-20041129) with ESMTP id <20050626094000.DURT19267.mta10.adelphia.net@steamer> for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 05:40:00 -0400 To: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 05:39:59 -0400 Message-ID: <000501c57a33$052097b0$6400a8c0@steamer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: "Stephen Walke" Subject: Need instructions for Mailstation 100 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=12463924; y=s_n_Jv6bbb9IEbidt4xJjkC0TEzxc91qvN2os3-ACpv1phCLonaa X-Yahoo-Profile: steamerwalke Status: RO Content-Length: 109 Lines: 6 My mother lost her instructions during a recent move. I would greatly appreciate a copy. Thanks, Steamer From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: hunter_az@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39891 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2005 19:47:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2005 19:47:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54301.mail.yahoo.com) (68.142.225.143) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2005 19:47:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 89620 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jun 2005 19:47:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20050626194758.89618.qmail@...> Received: from [68.111.114.67] by web54301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 12:47:58 PDT Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 12:47:58 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000501c57a33$052097b0$6400a8c0@steamer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Anthony Z." Subject: Re: [mailstation] Need instructions for Mailstation 100 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167022906; y=qfI7szXt-pz4lRtI9YEqGCKM9gNy2nQJAkrT3tMLuuh-B_FE X-Yahoo-Profile: nightmare_sun Status: RO Content-Length: 417 Lines: 13 You should be able to call up and ask them for a manual. They may or may not ask you if you have an account, but from what I remember they should be able to send you one. But then again thats before they moved Mailstation Support to India. :( EARTHLINK SUCKS. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 84155 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2005 21:08:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2005 21:08:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2005 21:08:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2005 21:08:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2005 21:08:02 -0000 Date: 26 Jun 2005 21:08:00 -0000 Message-ID: <1119820080.26128.73856.w118@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to mailstation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 510 Lines: 27 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the mailstation group. File : /Mivo Manual.pdf Uploaded by : neils_morr Description : Instruction Manual You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/files/Mivo%20Manual.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, neils_morr From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: hhuang888@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81202 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2005 09:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2005 09:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2005 09:49:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2005 09:49:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2005 09:49:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:49:19 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004c01c50506$3399fe80$37ae74ce@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "hhuang888" Subject: Re: Is there a way to setup more than one user? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=143607771; y=3MGwN8nStX_8L90ck4xONis3Ctk7CxR7MumLb4sTB6zOX86t X-Yahoo-Profile: hhuang888 Status: RO Content-Length: 585 Lines: 30 Hi, I also have a single user model. It is not convenient if taking it on a trip, as it requirs a rebook to get isp settings changed, you lose everything during the process. regards, HH --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Morrison" wrote: > > Which model do you have? Surprised you can't set up 5 users. > > Regards, > > Neil Morrison > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ygator" > > > I am able to do the Shift-FN-T trick during power on to setup one > > user. Is there any way to setup more via a similar method? > > .. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: niklaus37217@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62790 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 22:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 22:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31614.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.160) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 22:16:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 48227 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jul 2005 22:16:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20050719221623.48225.qmail@...> Received: from [170.143.252.32] by web31614.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:16:23 PDT Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:16:23 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Gary Clouse Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Is there a way to setup more than one user? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=154404643; y=vnjfivcj6Sc8oUi2nAy8Zc7FJYOT-fofoXJKqzD6gnUyj7WhNqCK X-Yahoo-Profile: niklaus37217 Status: RO Content-Length: 549 Lines: 27 --- hhuang888 wrote: > Hi, > > I also have a single user model. It is not > convenient if taking it > on a trip, as it requirs a rebook to get isp > settings changed, you > lose everything during the process. > > regards, > > HH > Apparently, some of the MS models will only allow 1 user setup initially, setting up other users is done throught clipmail commands. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65131 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2005 02:31:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2005 02:31:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.220) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2005 02:31:53 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.171.132]) by priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20050720023152.KKIN23980.priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:31:52 -0600 Message-ID: <04ee01c58cd3$2e8b5b00$84ab74ce@...> To: References: <20050719221623.48225.qmail@...> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:28:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: ROM dumping X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100; y=ojfGnQKZ9fUNzd8zEb9mS1lNLJ9cRnYc9B2WDRvSu6AbyRZb0w X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 117 Lines: 9 This may be useful for those disassembling the ROM code: http://www.mdfsnet.f9.co.uk/Docs/Comp/Z80/Family Neil From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29401 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2005 03:47:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2005 03:47:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2005 03:47:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2005 03:47:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2005 03:47:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 03:47:20 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Test mode on version 4.xx firmware X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=6KtJ7wNRQhvVNPTEf9-m8cimmGDwMRyYSgHTVI_l0do-5zFCpunjls7sGw X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 47 Lines: 9 qa781206 --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: niklaus37217@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21472 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2005 22:42:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2005 22:42:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2005 22:42:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2005 22:41:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2005 22:41:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:41:25 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "niklaus37217" Subject: New life for a mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=154404643; y=rKD7SAxNCU0JNhIIm0J0s1YxwrgJFh4PVCSbMrtJWHRBuEodAk-w X-Yahoo-Profile: niklaus37217 Status: RO Content-Length: 618 Lines: 17 Since these are showing up everywhere, has anyone though of reprogramming them into a functional PC assistant type device? What I think would be workable might be 1 keep the flash update facility. 2 keep basic email ability 3 dump the spell checker and add some sort of programming facility. 4 add parallel port data exchange drivers and support for a simple terminal emulation. What would be good would be something of the functionality of one of the alphasmart laptops. Mailstations have a much faster processor and much more memory than the old tandy 100s and there is still a market for the tandy laptops. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79362 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2005 23:37:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2005 23:37:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2005 23:37:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2005 23:37:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2005 23:37:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 23:37:05 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: New life for a mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=Jykt5uNNqzmZe-8oXYgpgkvObRSrvWcoWSBr4V-lZ2BgpxNjo3x8Au6yGg X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1525 Lines: 41 > Since these are showing up everywhere, has anyone though of > reprogramming them into a functional PC assistant type device? If you can program in z80 assembler, "we have the technology". We just need some code now... > What I think would be workable might be > 1 keep the flash update facility. > 2 keep basic email ability > 3 dump the spell checker and add some sort of programming facility. > 4 add parallel port data exchange drivers and support for a simple > terminal emulation. There are at least 9 pages of 16k each available, without dumping anything (except the out of date tv listings, etc.). But I agree, the spell checker is useless, and that is at least another page or three. After loafing for several weeks, I've got back to looking at this project, and made a lot of progress figuring out how to integrate new apps into existing mailstation firmware. I also have figured out how to dump the rom before erasing it. :-) (I started typing it up last night, but conked out before I could post it.) It turns out that you can add the "Yahoo" type of app to *all* the mailstations, whether they have the yahoo/mycidco menu item or not. They show up as icons after "settings" if there is no yahoo folder! By yahoo type of app, I mean adding code that takes the place of the yahoo data. I am not talking about adding tv listings or weather or news. The yahoo data is stored as an executable program, and this program can be anything you want (given that somebody writes the code). --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38026 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2005 03:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2005 03:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2005 03:53:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 03:53:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 03:53:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 03:53:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 03:53:37 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:9:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: How to dump your ROM (without a soldering iron) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=Wpzeane_amUgSEQw4hqdIiB708hFqS3MC7sefOjberve0nK-lmWOslg7fA X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 7869 Lines: 240 I posted a file (Files>mailbug>Spew.txt) with a mailstation app named "Spew", that sends the mailstations firmware out the parallel port when it is selected from mailstation menu. Spew.txt is really the assembly listing spew.lst, I renamed it so it is viewable with web browsers. I am posting the assembly listing rather than spew.asm or spew.rom, because the listing has the comments, the code, and the addresses in a human readable form. It needs to be entered in hex on the mailstation keyboard (about 40-50 bytes). There are instructions in the file on how to poke it into your mailstation dataflash with the mailstations built in hex editor. I'm not posting the assembly listing here, because it is too wide, and would get mangled by yahoo. But the source file is narrower, so I will paste it below. If viewing on website, you can line columns up with the "reply" button, without actually sending the reply. --CJ ------ spew.asm ------------------- ; NOTE: You can't dump the rom after mboot or sboot is flashed, ; because most of the rom is gone by then. ; ; This is code to be poked into dataflash on unit with yahoo ; features active. ; HEY, it seems to work on units *without* yahoo feature, too!!!! ; (4.05E for instance.) ; It's purpose is to dump the coderom out of the parallel port, ; using the tribble code in page #01. ; ; *** One catch to using this is that it requires mailbug ; *** version > 0.0.3, with the "inhale" function, to catch ; *** the data. And that version is not quite ready yet. ; *** But you do not need it to enter this app into your ; *** mailstation. In fact, if you want to dump your rom, ; *** you *have to* enter this in hex on the mailstation ; *** keyboard. That is because in order for mailbug to ; *** write anything to dataflash, mbug needs to be loaded, ; *** and loading mbug requires flashing sboot or mboot, and ; *** flashing anything (to codeflash) will erase your rom. ; *** You have to do this BEFORE INSTALLING SBOOT! bsendbyte equ #802D ; raises busy & sends byte. ; We use the existing sendbyte from original update code. ; This means codeflash page #01 needs to be banked in to ; slot8000 before calling bsendbyte. done equ #0000 ; Gotta go somewhere when done, we reboot. ; Mailstation will call eventhandler 3 or 4 times when you ; select the new application, and we only want to exec once, ; so we do not return at end, we reboot after first "event". ; STEP 1) ; This is data from dataflash page #08, sector #00 (which ; translates to a raw address of 020000), of a mailstation ; with two apps: ; ; 020000 02 00 02 00 01 00 01 5e 1c 18 01 01 01 20 a7 19 ; ; This is the key to enabling added apps!!! ; At least first byte above is needed, it seems to be count ; of apps (2 in this case). You need to poke it into dataflash ; with hex editor at raw address 020000. ; ; Modify the first byte to match number of apps, including ; new one. If your mailstation already has app(s), and you ; want to overwite one of them, you can leave this data as is, ; and skip this step. I don't know what the rest are, but those ; 16 bytes are the only data in dataflash pg #08, sector #00. ; ; If you inc that first byte, without doing steps 2 or 3, you ; should enable blank (or giberish) icons in the menu (under ; yahoo, or extras). ; ; *** Enter Test mode with vulcan nerve pinch while booting: ; , or or on the newer ; models, followed by "qa781206" without ; the quotes, of course. ; ; *** Enter Hex Viewer mode with . ; ; *** Enable Hex Edit mode by entering "G710304x" without ; quotes of course. This is a "go" to a nonexising sector, ; and it will leave viewer on last sector of dataflash. ; ; *** Edit dataflash page #08 as described above. G020000 will ; get you to the right sector. will enter edit mode ; for current sector. Edit the data. will leave ; edit mode and save to dataflash. You need to leave edit ; mode before moving to next sector. ; STEP 2} ; This is the start of our new app. If your mailstation has ; no existing "apps", then you would poke this into page #00 ; of dataflash (raw address 000000). ; ; If you already have say 2 existing apps, they are probably ; in dataflash pages #00 & #01 respectively. In that case you ; would put this in page #02 of dataflash (008000). ; ; When using dataflash page #00, this goes at raw address 000000. ; When using dataflash page #01, this goes at raw address 004000. ; When using dataflash page #02, this goes at raw address 008000. ; ; (iow, in raw addresses, first app is at 000000, second at 004000, ; and third at 008000.) ; ; The JP instruction is the only thing in this part that is ; absolutely necessary, if you can live with a captionless ; menu entry. The icon is gonna be blank anyways. ; ; *** Use hex editor to "go" to your address (G000000 or G004000 ; or G008000). This address corresponds to #4000 in the ; following app, no matter what page you are using. ; ; *** Enter edit mode, enter at least the bytes for the JP of ; the following code, and save the sector. Goto step 3. ORG #4000 ; This is *always* #4000, regardless of ; what page you use. JP eventhandler DEFW icon ; icon location (in this page) DEFW caption DEFW dunno dunno: DEFB #00 zip: DEFW #0000 zilch: DEFW #0000 caption: DEFW #0001 ; ????? DEFW endcap-caption-6 ; num of chars DEFW #0006 ; offset to first char defm "Spew" ; the caption string endcap: icon: ; I haven't figured out the icon format yet, but it's not needed. ; Icon data would go here, followed by app data (news, weather, ; or tv). ; Just leave this data as it is, and we will skip ahead to the last ; sector in this same page. ; STEP 3) ; I don't think it matters exactly where this next part ; sits in dataflash, as long as the JP in step two above can ; find it. We will put it at the end of the page, 'coz that's ; where the mailstation apps put it. ; ; If using dataflash page #00, this goes at raw address 003f00. ; If using dataflash page #01, this goes at raw address 007f00. ; If using dataflash page #02, this goes at raw address 00bf00. ; ; *** Use "go" command with appropriate address matching address ; used in step 2. ; ; *** Edit mode, enter the following 37 bytes of code, save. ; ; *** Quit Hex Editor with key. ; ; *** Leave Test mode with key. ; ; *** The mailstation will reboot, pick "no clear", and then ; check if you have a new app listed in your menu under ; "yahoo" or in "extras". org #7f00 ; last sector of page, always #7F00, ; regardless of what page. eventhandler: ; This is the "event handler" for our new app. It doesn't ; really handle any events, it just spews the rom contents ; over the laplink. xor a ; Set slot8000device = codeflash out (8),a ld bc,#4000 ; b=count=64 pages, c=currentpage=0 pgloop: ; for count = 64 downto 1 do ld hl,#8000 ; start at begining of each pg byteloop: ; for i=#8000 to #BFFF do ld a,c ; bank currentpage into slot8000 out (7),a ld a,(hl) ; get byte[i] push hl push bc ld h,a ; h is byte ld a,#01 ; bank bsendbyte into slot8000 out (7),a call bsendbyte ; send byte(H) pop bc pop hl inc hl ; i++ (next byte) ld a,h cp #C0 jr nz,byteloop ; jump if i < #C000 inc c ; currentpage++ (next page) djnz pgloop jp done From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30837 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2005 04:10:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2005 04:10:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.29) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2005 04:10:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 80 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2005 04:10:08 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 21 Jul 2005 04:10:08 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:10:51 -0700 Message-Id: <1121919051.6034.296.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:9:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] New life for a mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=BuknxWLAPdsVulrnOrx8xcJzpTtTuyJoQKNo39-iiSHQ0szY3Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 969 Lines: 28 On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 22:41 +0000, niklaus37217 wrote: > Since these are showing up everywhere, has anyone though of > reprogramming them into a functional PC assistant type device? > What I think would be workable might be > 1 keep the flash update facility. > 2 keep basic email ability > 3 dump the spell checker and add some sort of programming facility. > 4 add parallel port data exchange drivers and support for a simple > terminal emulation. > > What would be good would be something of the functionality of one of > the alphasmart laptops. Mailstations have a much faster processor and > much more memory than the old tandy 100s and there is still a market > for the tandy laptops. > > A good first step would be to port the SDCC Z80 target "standard library" to work with the debugger loader. My intent is to finish my port of CamelForth to MS... probably a day's work, but it's just one of a list of projects I have going at the moment. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5557 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2005 22:57:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2005 22:57:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.223) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2005 22:57:53 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.171.132]) by priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20050721225752.SYYX9769.priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:57:52 -0600 Message-ID: <00bc01c58e47$9fad8ae0$84ab74ce@...> To: References: Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:53:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] New life for a mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100; y=gzm9m9iMOkoRMVxWoTQz6LLEFKSJ7g4FzRYFg_SxGsBA9uqgHw X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 190 Lines: 13 ----- Original Message ----- From: "niklaus37217" > 3 dump the spell checker and add some sort of programming facility. Why? There's plenty of room already. Neil From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35274 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2005 14:21:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2005 14:21:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2005 14:21:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 14:20:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 14:20:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 14:20:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:20:58 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1121919051.6034.296.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: New life for a mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=FzSzkoaRcMpt_CmQsaV_2IK998xJX8Bc_ChOUKfbje-IckAZqPlw9HkVCg X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 414 Lines: 21 wrote: > A good first step would be to port the SDCC Z80 target "standard > library" to work with the debugger loader. I'm not sure I understand... Do you mean work with as far as console i/o? Or loading? > My intent is to finish my port of CamelForth to MS... probably a > day's > work, but it's just one of a list of projects I have going at the > moment. Looking forward to it! --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59092 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2005 23:37:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2005 23:37:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2005 23:37:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 23:37:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 23:37:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 23:37:41 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: getchar() X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=oio1JUf73V2tHZoHgBeHkoGG0gJ7cIBQeyi-UkuoZwU8pKZ_PjY5fRV8ig X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 399 Lines: 16 When mapping key scancodes to ascii, what should keys like "main menu", "print", "get email", or the 5 function keys return? "Back" could be mapped to ESC, since there is no esc key. And maybe the 5 function keys (under lcd) should return whatever is standard for f1-f5 on PC keyboard, but I don't know what that is. And what about the second "@" key??? I'm guessing same as first. --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41950 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2005 07:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2005 07:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.29) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2005 07:27:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 16163 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2005 07:27:08 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 23 Jul 2005 07:27:08 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 00:28:15 -0700 Message-Id: <1122103695.6034.541.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: New life for a mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=cWcG3yWIwcLNUO5HmHq3NzPlg9VGRIeivXjnjp_k-MpWqvc3ag X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 857 Lines: 29 On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 14:20 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > wrote: > > > A good first step would be to port the SDCC Z80 target "standard > > library" to work with the debugger loader. > > I'm not sure I understand... Do you mean work with > as far as console i/o? Or loading? > Both. sdcc already has a z80 target, But to do a simple program like hello world someone needs to create an init and connect to whatever low level i/o routines we have available. > > My intent is to finish my port of CamelForth to MS... probably a > > day's > > work, but it's just one of a list of projects I have going at the > > moment. > > Looking forward to it! > It wasn't too hard to port to WP-2, another z80 laptop. Three or four little subroutines to port, and you can start testing high level forth code interactively at the prompt. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: chauserx@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57875 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2005 15:58:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2005 15:58:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2005 15:58:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2005 15:57:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2005 15:57:52 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:57:50 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Carl Hauser" Subject: Success reconfiguring ISP on MS 120 with ROM v 4.05e X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=225872034; y=lWSxPzrqbDMNyGiMO8Xp2-w-BCcoHzCf2FCnD_qsbSnFfx0 X-Yahoo-Profile: chauserx Status: RO Content-Length: 1305 Lines: 49 I had previously been unable to reconfigure the ISP on my MS 120 with v 4.05e using the "reset during power on" trick. Although it produced the "erase all settings" option, the Earthlink ISP settings were not erased. After using the information below about entering diagnostics mode and choosing the FAST TEST option when the machine rebooted at the end of the test the machine rebooted it had no ISP info and allowed me to set up a new account. (Warning: FAST TEST erases everything in the machine.) Full sequence: Hold down and press power on. Continue holding until a box appears on the screen. Enter qa781206 in the box. Enter 2 to choose FAST TEST. The first four tests are quick. The ROM test takes about 20 seconds. Wait for it. Eventually the screen changes to say Battery TESTING with a box below. The box will get filled in with Battery HIGH Now hit and you're back at the Diagnostic Main Menu. Enter q to quit and reboot. You'll get the menu of options to clear various things. It doesn't seem to matter what you choose -- the next message is "Please create a new user account". Enjoy. --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Cyrano Jones" wrote: > > > qa781206 > > > --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: chauserx@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9172 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2005 16:07:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2005 16:07:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2005 16:07:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2005 16:07:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2005 16:07:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2005 16:07:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:07:02 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Carl Hauser" Subject: Mail station 120 v4.05e and SMTP (non) authentication X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=225872034; y=PnImxsXWoDTwrnjNlh9Js2Wj6E0leOxeJM2Q8mq3V0WHt54 X-Yahoo-Profile: chauserx Status: RO Content-Length: 815 Lines: 9 After successfully reconfiguring the MS for my ISP (all2easy.net in this case) I found that I was not able to send mail to addresses other than all2easy.net subscribers. The message from the MS was along the lines of "server busy or unavailable, try later". Investigation showed that the ISP SMTP server is configured to require an AUTH command and subsequent login in order to send mail to non-subscribers. This is an anti-spam feature. AUTH is a so-called ESMTP feature. My MS does not support it; with this ISP the MS can retrieve mail and send to other subscribers of the ISP but cannot send to other internet users. The only obvious solution is "get another ISP". I expect that ISP's will increasingly require AUTH for sending mail so the useful lifetime of the MS as an email appliance may be limited. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97608 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2005 18:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2005 18:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail28.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.30) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2005 18:23:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 1193 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2005 18:23:31 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail28.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 23 Jul 2005 18:23:31 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:24:44 -0700 Message-Id: <1122143084.6034.547.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Mail station 120 v4.05e and SMTP (non) authentication X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=4USYOiu3OZl1iKMIdevsxUHfC-8y91p5ycxV57GeZs-pziJ49w X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 521 Lines: 20 On Sat, 2005-07-23 at 16:07 +0000, Carl Hauser wrote: > The only obvious solution is "get another ISP". I expect that ISP's > will increasingly require AUTH for sending mail so the useful lifetime > of the MS as an email appliance may be limited. > > > I had the same problem with NetZero. I think unless we replace the mail client with new firmware you are probably right about limited utility of the built in client. Of course you could set up a linux dial-up server with whatever settings you like. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: chauserx@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85394 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2005 18:32:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2005 18:32:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2005 18:32:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2005 18:32:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2005 18:32:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2005 18:32:01 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:31:59 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1122143084.6034.547.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Carl Hauser" Subject: Re: Mail station 120 v4.05e and SMTP (non) authentication X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=225872034; y=dDh4NXIUoboUgD7wc4UYAqUZ_A0D29p-oJ0WJfcI_-XvcuM X-Yahoo-Profile: chauserx Status: RO Content-Length: 1138 Lines: 28 You don't actually need a dial-up server to solve this problem: since the SMTP server's address is configured separately in the MS you just need to make your own SMTP relay server at a routable IP address. In fact this was how I figured out what was going on. There is an smtpd.py package in the python distribution that will do what you need--though anyone using it should take steps to avoid creating an open mail relay and suddenly finding themselves the purveyor of other people's spam. -- Carl --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > On Sat, 2005-07-23 at 16:07 +0000, Carl Hauser wrote: > > > The only obvious solution is "get another ISP". I expect that ISP's > > will increasingly require AUTH for sending mail so the useful lifetime > > of the MS as an email appliance may be limited. > > > > > > > > I had the same problem with NetZero. > > I think unless we replace the mail client with new firmware you are > probably right about limited utility of the built in client. > > Of course you could set up a linux dial-up server with whatever settings > you like. > > -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97957 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2005 22:24:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2005 22:24:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.26) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2005 22:24:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 28677 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2005 22:24:18 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 23 Jul 2005 22:24:18 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:25:33 -0700 Message-Id: <1122157533.6034.570.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Mail station 120 v4.05e and SMTP (non) authentication X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=Iwa4tbh97CKCZgfLR1hck7dMWSgsZz5duDTaCtWIe6ZEoxvmSg X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 926 Lines: 28 On Sat, 2005-07-23 at 18:31 +0000, Carl Hauser wrote: > You don't actually need a dial-up server to solve this problem: since > the SMTP server's address is configured separately in the MS you just > need to make your own SMTP relay server at a routable IP address. In > fact this was how I figured out what was going on. > > There is an smtpd.py package in the python distribution that will do > what you need--though anyone using it should take steps to avoid > creating an open mail relay and suddenly finding themselves the > purveyor of other people's spam. > > -- Carl Excellent point, Carl! I hadn't thought of that. So one or more of us could set up a proxy server we could bounce our SMTP packets off of to do the auth. Then we could use whatever dialup server we like. Anyone have ideas on what we could do to avoid becoming an open relay since the client doesn't support smtp authentication? -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: daviduchovny@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52884 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 23:38:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 23:38:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 23:38:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 23:38:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 23:38:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 23:38:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 23:38:41 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "lavaklaublauer" Subject: mail station useability - IMAP and AUTH smtp X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=233170933; y=7xdQiGpqLVC-k6gpa6FJ3KuBAmZ438vniCNdqUVmGivAew4bOcITjvY X-Yahoo-Profile: lavaklaublauer Status: RO Content-Length: 1557 Lines: 30 Hello, group, this is my first post here, as I recently got a blue det2 MS120 with 4.04e, which I was able to update the dialup and email acccount into on thanks to users posts, not just here. At any rate, the useability of this machine is greatly reduced by the limitation of pop3 and non auth smtp mailing. I, for one, would love to see the firmware updated to include these options, opening up other email services such as those from the likes of AOL itself. (for my grandmother) The imap would not have to be complex, but just retrieve email form one folder, the 'inbox', thus simplifying the programming. Also, 'auth' could not be that hard? For those of you asking the question 'how can we set up an auth smtp relay without being taken advantage of spammers - here is how my school does it: They keep a record of recent (authenticated) pop3 logins and IPs, and only allow smtp mail from those. Mial programs usually check pop incoming mail first, and then the server would know that it's OK to accept smtp session from that IP. Jut a thought if you're serious about setting up a server for users of the mailstation. Thanks to all for your great work on this unit, although from what I see there is only a very basic debug shell and rom dump written in assembly so far. Where are all the z80 games that run on the ti-85 calculators? (that also use a z80 and pixel screen) aah well. If we could just get smtp auth and simple imap protocol in these units it would be fantastic. Best of luck, and let me know if you do so Andrew From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47007 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2005 17:29:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2005 17:29:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail26.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.28) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2005 17:29:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 12976 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2005 17:28:53 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail26.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 19 Aug 2005 17:28:53 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:29:54 -0700 Message-Id: <1124472594.28931.113.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] mail station useability - IMAP and AUTH smtp X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=EHq0WuA9gCRLuiQ3Ak0h6BZwQQDnnliWsGzn68EpTuRMMoysuQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 430 Lines: 13 Do you think it would work just to set up a proxy server somewhere on the Internet? There was a discussion about this, and the idea was that you can use any ISP you like, we just need a proxy server somewhere that doesn't demand SMTP auth. I guess your POP3-auth-first would work. Why do we we need IMAP instead of POP3? Anyway if we're proxying it anyway the IMAP could be supported on the other side of the proxy. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: kat_skan@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51154 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2005 20:19:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2005 20:19:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2005 20:19:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2005 20:19:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2005 20:19:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2005 20:19:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 20:19:26 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1124472594.28931.113.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "kat_skan" Subject: Re: mail station useability - IMAP and AUTH smtp X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113074088; y=JbSYy14QbQfU2WtdZ9vpWsAn4itu80UAmd2LAY7j_-ge47Y X-Yahoo-Profile: kat_skan Status: RO Content-Length: 722 Lines: 18 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > Why do we we need IMAP instead of POP3? Anyway if we're proxying it > anyway the IMAP could be supported on the other side of the proxy. Well, IMAP can do a few things server-side that seem like they'd be pretty painful on an appliance like the Mailstation. Plus you could handle considerably more messages if you kept everything server-side and just cached a handfull of them locally. That said, I rather doubt the existing firmware is extensible enough that you can add support for arbitrary protocols to it. There has been some discussion of porting CP/M to the Mailstation, though. Are there any IMAP-capable email clients for that? From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: daviduchovny@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90391 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2005 23:30:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2005 23:30:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.62) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2005 23:30:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2005 23:30:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2005 23:30:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2005 23:30:22 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:30:21 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "lavaklaublauer" Subject: Re: mail station useability - IMAP and AUTH smtp X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=233170933; y=kdtUMN4c3uLyNtzqRuIVgrPKmlAz1lqDCO2JJTNmoN1GGEgd35PvZRU X-Yahoo-Profile: lavaklaublauer Status: RO Content-Length: 780 Lines: 21 OK, so the goal was to allow my grandparents to use their mailstation 120 at their vacation cottage to send and receive email using their pre-existing AOL account, with no extra charge. It has been accomplished. What I did was allowed them to use a dial-up account that came with my DSL (so it was free) and using my DSL I set up a server that receives their pop and smtp requests, translates pop to imap, adds an AUTH wrapper to their smtp request, and re-routes them to and from AOL. It wasn't the simplest of things, but it was a fun challenge. The smtp translator was locked down to only allow requests from their dialup IP range, and email will only be sent if it matches their user account, so the likelihood of becoming an open relay is practically nil. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80230 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2005 14:59:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2005 14:59:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.26) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2005 14:59:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 782 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2005 14:59:45 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 22 Aug 2005 14:59:45 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 07:59:56 -0700 Message-Id: <1124722796.28931.249.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: mail station useability - IMAP and AUTH smtp X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=jV8P_1xOZkhj4HVQ238Xcf4Zq4B0W7rpRoA79aSmKb42addrVA X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 876 Lines: 24 On Sun, 2005-08-21 at 23:30 +0000, lavaklaublauer wrote: > What I did was allowed them to use a dial-up account that came with > my DSL (so it was free) and using my DSL I set up a server that > receives their pop and smtp requests, translates pop to imap, adds an > AUTH wrapper to their smtp request, and re-routes them to and from > AOL. > > It wasn't the simplest of things, but it was a fun challenge. The > smtp translator was locked down to only allow requests from their > dialup IP range, and email will only be sent if it matches their user > account, so the likelihood of becoming an open relay is practically > nil. > Cool! Are you planning to make the script code available? Maybe there's a way to make it more generic so that one or a few of us could setup proxy servers for other users to connect to (without creating an open relay). -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: daviduchovny@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88857 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2005 15:59:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2005 15:59:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2005 15:59:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2005 15:59:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2005 15:59:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2005 15:59:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:59:36 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1124722796.28931.249.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "lavaklaublauer" Subject: Re: mail station useability - IMAP and AUTH smtp X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=233170933; y=S1YtE8t63zw_MmsZLX2q2XKm3gZrQNheOmQMkOiue15XB3NjgR4UszE X-Yahoo-Profile: lavaklaublauer Status: RO Content-Length: 973 Lines: 28 well, the first sending software I could find is smtp server pro. This is not complex enough to send emails to different smtp servers based on sender's address. However, the mdaemon sales rep said that mdaemon pro would be capable of doing this, so if you want to set up a group server, that might be your best bet. For the pop software, I modified this: http://www.kohsuke.org/imap2pop/ because this is open source, it could easily be modified to accept multiple users. Note, however, that you have to change its method of getting the imap server address, because the mailstation uses the BEGINNING of the from address for pop authentication, and for most servers the from: address must match the smtp login name. > > Cool! > > Are you planning to make the script code available? Maybe there's a way > to make it more generic so that one or a few of us could setup proxy > servers for other users to connect to (without creating an open relay). > > -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: iacomella@... 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 02:38:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 02:38:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 02:38:16 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Franco Iacomella" Subject: Paralell transfer system X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=176704078; y=LIUStOGgF76sYiRSexu_SigOoMtX8snfzRRRJzmszQQNPQlN_fgHWSeTlQ X-Yahoo-Profile: franco_iacomella Status: RO Content-Length: 293 Lines: 9 Hi everyone! Im working on a programme to transfer my mails of my mailstation to my PC. I trying to do it with th "print" function of the device, trouht the parallerl port. I was wondering if exist another way to transfer data form de mailstation...any already made software? thanx! YACO From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33778 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 05:42:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2005 05:42:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.29) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2005 05:42:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 134 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 05:42:18 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 14 Sep 2005 05:42:18 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 22:42:50 -0700 Message-Id: <1126676570.24190.111.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [SPAM] [mailstation] Paralell transfer system X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=rCHDAY4v9XYXp3kuQGZUuhqkDUWnHqC2IZUzT7m7H_T2kin1YA X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 437 Lines: 15 On Wed, 2005-09-14 at 02:38 +0000, Franco Iacomella wrote: > Hi everyone! Im working on a programme to transfer my mails of my > mailstation to my PC. I trying to do it with th "print" function of > the device, trouht the parallerl port. > > I was wondering if exist another way to transfer data form de > mailstation...any already made software? thanx! YACO > > Why not just forward them to your desktop email address? -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7704 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 06:37:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2005 06:37:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.240) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2005 06:37:25 -0000 Received: from NewBaby ([209.121.230.219]) by priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20050914063712.RETT18652.priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net@NewBaby> for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 00:37:12 -0600 Message-ID: <00b901c5b8f6$bcbbb150$dbe679d1@NewBaby> To: References: Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:32:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Parallel transfer system X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100; y=usMHwJdtlDRuLJ9_hAqTJwO_6R2-6Jp9rokDehjngkouHpiX4A X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 485 Lines: 17 If the ROM can ever be figured out you should be able to reconfigure the printer port as an I/O port. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Franco Iacomella" > Hi everyone! Im working on a programme to transfer my mails of my > mailstation to my PC. I trying to do it with th "print" function of > the device, trouht the parallerl port. > > I was wondering if exist another way to transfer data form de > mailstation...any already made software? thanx! YACO From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: iacomella@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96704 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 15:20:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2005 15:20:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2005 15:20:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 15:19:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 15:19:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:19:18 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1126676570.24190.111.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Franco Iacomella" Subject: Re: [SPAM] [mailstation] Paralell transfer system X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=176704078; y=vuzMhuVyIM2wFNdpobVnW9pmdIgbTfm72Fo23-37reu5Fq2-PQIrSnbotA X-Yahoo-Profile: franco_iacomella Status: RO Content-Length: 838 Lines: 25 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > On Wed, 2005-09-14 at 02:38 +0000, Franco Iacomella wrote: > > Hi everyone! Im working on a programme to transfer my mails of my > > mailstation to my PC. I trying to do it with th "print" function of > > the device, trouht the parallerl port. > > > > I was wondering if exist another way to transfer data form de > > mailstation...any already made software? thanx! YACO > > > > > > Why not just forward them to your desktop email address? > > -- John. Because I cant connect the device to download my mails yet. The ISP who provide the device in my country reserved for its own the configuration. So, I need an email account of the same service. I read that is possible to hack this 'ISP protection' thing...so, can anybody help me? Greats, YACO From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: albert@... 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X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 From: "Anthony Albert" Subject: Re: [SPAM] [mailstation] Paralell transfer system X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169489703; y=796p9tu81tl_T12lbtK9MB56EsGVvIsP6eN36Lf1JLKswFpwbytDvbmG X-Yahoo-Profile: falbertforester Status: RO Content-Length: 1805 Lines: 46 On 14 Sep 2005 at 15:19, Franco Iacomella wrote: >--- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "John R. Hogerhuis" >wrote: >> On Wed, 2005-09-14 at 02:38 +0000, Franco Iacomella wrote: >> > Hi everyone! Im working on a programme to transfer my mails of my >> > mailstation to my PC. I trying to do it with th "print" function of >> > the device, trouht the parallerl port. >> > >> > I was wondering if exist another way to transfer data form de >> > mailstation...any already made software? thanx! YACO >> > >> > >> >> Why not just forward them to your desktop email address? >> >> -- John. > >Because I cant connect the device to download my mails yet. The ISP >who provide the device in my country reserved for its own the >configuration. So, I need an email account of the same service. I read >that is possible to hack this 'ISP protection' thing...so, can >anybody help me? > Greats, YACO Unfortunately, resetting the ISP configuration, if you have one of the Mailstations in which the setup is locked, currently requires a reset of the entire flash, erasing all of the email. There is a work-around, though, for not having an account. It is possible to set up a desktop computer (typically with Linux as the OS) with a modem to answer when you dial in, and to pretend to be the ISP's computer. It might be possible to set this up yourself, or to find a friend who can do this. I believe that there is further information on this in the archived messages. Hope this helps, Anthony Albert =========================================================== Anthony J. Albert albert@... Systems and Software Support Specialist Postmaster Computer Services - University of Maine, Presque Isle "This is only temporary, unless it works." --- Red Green From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: iacomella@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6416 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2005 13:46:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2005 13:46:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2005 13:46:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2005 13:45:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2005 13:45:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:45:51 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <43283738.11360.2335A46E@localhost> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Franco Iacomella" Subject: Re: [SPAM] [mailstation] Paralell transfer system X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=176704078; y=nnQrn4S2BgE7aKkqfcLTsqpYSiGgbm6eN_eyfZ582SOwjv8x6nLdl_XOaw X-Yahoo-Profile: franco_iacomella Status: RO Content-Length: 1800 Lines: 41 Finally I could connect my device to download my mails trought my ISP... but Im still loosing money in each call I have to make to cnnect it. The soultion wouldbe a prallel conecction, almost in one direction: I want to download my mails dorm the mailstation to the PC, but not put data inside the mailstation from de PC...however, i still have to make a programme to do that :( The other solution is that you mention. But I think that I may need a winmodem to connect the device to the computer, and everyone knows the problems of GNU/Linux to support winmodems...If I could sort this problem i need to know what program I need to run on the computer so the mailstation belives its connected to a real ISP. It would be nice that someone write something about this "emulation" or give me some data to make it on my own. :D I hope someone help me, thanx! YACO > Unfortunately, resetting the ISP configuration, if you have one of the > Mailstations in which the setup is locked, currently requires a reset > of the entire flash, erasing all of the email. > > There is a work-around, though, for not having an account. It is > possible to set up a desktop computer (typically with Linux as the OS) > with a modem to answer when you dial in, and to pretend to be the ISP's > computer. It might be possible to set this up yourself, or to find a > friend who can do this. I believe that there is further information on > this in the archived messages. > > Hope this helps, > Anthony Albert > =========================================================== > Anthony J. Albert albert@u... > Systems and Software Support Specialist Postmaster > Computer Services - University of Maine, Presque Isle > "This is only temporary, unless it works." > --- Red Green From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22992 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2005 18:33:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2005 18:33:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail25.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.27) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2005 18:33:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 32224 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2005 18:33:06 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail25.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 15 Sep 2005 18:33:06 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 11:33:55 -0700 Message-Id: <1126809235.32201.52.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] directly connecting two modems X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=jX3h7sddcjK5TYVRkiC0zQ4V-ClAi5VxYkIE8-tnacD1rw7E-g X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 1378 Lines: 39 On Thu, 2005-09-15 at 13:45 +0000, Franco Iacomella wrote: > The other solution is that you mention. But I think that I may need a > winmodem to connect the device to the computer, and everyone knows the > problems of GNU/Linux to support winmodems...If I could sort this > problem i need to know what program I need to run on the computer so > the mailstation belives its connected to a real ISP. It would be nice > that someone write something about this "emulation" or give me some > data to make it on my own. :D > > I hope someone help me, thanx! > > YACO > Why would you need a winmodem? Actually, there are drivers for some winmodems for Linux machines. Some of these modems are interesting in that they can act as an FXO allowing you to connect a Linux box running Asterisk to a regular phone line. This article gives some hope that you can just connect two modems together with a regular phone cable. http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0412.2/0560.html ATA on the host and let MS dial in. Unfortunately I just tried this with a MS150 and a rockwell external modem, no workey. Typed ATA in terminal on rockwell side, and hit Get Email on MS. I had to configure the mailstation to "ignore dial tone" but that just kept it from timing it out. No connection is established. Could it be configuration on modem side? Anyone have any ideas? -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: niklaus37217@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49349 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2005 16:23:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2005 16:23:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31609.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.155) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2005 16:23:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 95524 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Sep 2005 16:23:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20050926162308.95522.qmail@...> Received: from [170.143.252.32] by web31609.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:23:08 PDT Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:23:08 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1126809235.32201.52.camel@aragorn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Gary Clouse Subject: Re: [mailstation] directly connecting two modems X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=154404643; y=zzdO7tx6CB04HFP1cLEyHy9bSGuj8MEdIuBxSfQuYim2euvO3668 X-Yahoo-Profile: niklaus37217 Status: RO Content-Length: 2878 Lines: 92 Some modems are line-powered. They use the phone line to power the part of the modem circuitry. Connecting a cross-over phone cable between a line-powered modem and another modem, it won't work because the line-powered modem won't have enough voltage to operate. Line-powered modems are common in portable devices and can be spotted by a REN (Ringer Equivalency Number) of more than 0. Most phone companies allow 2 REN. The phone lines use between 24 and 48 volts. A winmodem on the other hand is an imcomplete modem with most of the higher-level functions (like compression and dialing ) handed off to a software driver. Winmodems are cheaper to manufacture, and can be upgraded by changing a driver. And the drivers are buound by trade secret agreements with Microsoft which give Microsoft dominion over who is allowed to use the modem. if you have 2 phone lines at home, you can run a bbs program on you PC, call the pc from the ms on the other line and should be able to quickly work out the signon dialogue, and simulate it on the PC. Ther is a simple free BBS program called AddBBS that is written in perl. Also perl is available free of charge for almost every OS in existance. --- "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > On Thu, 2005-09-15 at 13:45 +0000, Franco Iacomella > wrote: > > > The other solution is that you mention. But I > think that I may need a > > winmodem to connect the device to the computer, > and everyone knows the > > problems of GNU/Linux to support winmodems...If I > could sort this > > problem i need to know what program I need to run > on the computer so > > the mailstation belives its connected to a real > ISP. It would be nice > > that someone write something about this > "emulation" or give me some > > data to make it on my own. :D > > > > I hope someone help me, thanx! > > > > YACO > > > > Why would you need a winmodem? Actually, there are > drivers for some > winmodems for Linux machines. Some of these modems > are interesting in > that they can act as an FXO allowing you to connect > a Linux box running > Asterisk to a regular phone line. > > This article gives some hope that you can just > connect two modems > together with a regular phone cable. > > http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0412.2/0560.html > > ATA on the host and let MS dial in. > > Unfortunately I just tried this with a MS150 and a > rockwell external > modem, no workey. > > Typed ATA in terminal on rockwell side, and hit Get > Email on MS. I had > to configure the mailstation to "ignore dial tone" > but that just kept it > from timing it out. No connection is established. > > Could it be configuration on modem side? Anyone have > any ideas? > > -- John. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: niklaus37217@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77337 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2005 16:45:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2005 16:45:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31602.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.148) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2005 16:45:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 54346 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Sep 2005 16:45:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20050926164503.54341.qmail@...> Received: from [170.143.252.32] by web31602.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:45:02 PDT Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:45:02 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Gary Clouse Subject: rabbit semiconductor data sheets X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=154404643; y=I8Ae6EYs4KQcOICGLTVoVVKr1dKgOb85EXcrIB4dyUd158UoV6xz X-Yahoo-Profile: niklaus37217 Status: RO Content-Length: 558 Lines: 15 I have been looking through some documentation from the Rabbit Semiconductor website and I noticed a couple of interesting things. First, there is an an on chip parallel port that is bidirectional and can be used as a printer port or to reprogram flash memory. Second, If I read it correctly, the slack space in the flash memory is the result of a limitation of the C compiler in the development kit. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: lyn@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43435 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2005 18:31:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2005 18:31:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ws6-4.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.107) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2005 18:31:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 12749 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2005 18:31:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO D87VFC21.lobdell.com) (lyn@...@24.176.140.131) by ws6-4.us4.outblaze.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2005 18:31:46 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050926142805.025163a0@...> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 14:31:44 -0400 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Lyn Lobdell Subject: Mother's Mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=98087129; y=kEuM6Q5VOkfvpCBK8OE1wosF88HaRl2_H0jfGusY100 X-Yahoo-Profile: lynl6 Status: RO Content-Length: 442 Lines: 14 My mother had mailstation several years ago but stopped it. She wishes to restart it however in doing searching on the net I don't find much - I get sent to earthlink who apparently now operates it. The monthly cost for an earthlink account is over $20. Does earthlink still support mailstation and if so what is the monthly charge. Don't want to go the computer route for her as mailstation is confusing enough. Thanks, Lyn L From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61221 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2005 19:25:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2005 19:25:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edmwes26.telusplanet.net) (204.209.205.55) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2005 19:25:23 -0000 Received: from NewBaby ([209.121.230.219]) by priv-edmwes26.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20050926192517.FBTA332.priv-edmwes26.telusplanet.net@NewBaby> for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:25:17 -0600 Message-ID: <012801c5c2d0$067675e0$dbe679d1@NewBaby> To: References: <6.2.3.4.2.20050926142805.025163a0@...> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:05:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Mother's Mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100; y=4ASbaWI2TMabG_ocxukidaO3_zsCu0rGnQvF8lH8aW80X9ioqg X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 735 Lines: 24 It's possible it may be able to use another ISP - possibly a free one. What exact model and ROM does it have? See the files in our files section. BTW, I suspect that EarthStation will bail out on this system in the near future. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Lobdell" > My mother had mailstation several years ago but stopped it. She > wishes to restart it however in doing searching on the net I don't > find much - I get sent to earthlink who apparently now operates > it. The monthly cost for an earthlink account is over $20. Does > earthlink still support mailstation and if so what is the monthly > charge. Don't want to go the computer route for her as mailstation > is confusing enough. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: albert@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3330 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2005 21:16:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2005 21:16:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO granite.unet.maine.edu) (130.111.32.22) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2005 21:16:44 -0000 Received: from polaris.umpi.maine.edu (polaris.umpi.maine.edu [130.111.208.10]) by granite.unet.maine.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8QLGYa1028138 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:16:35 -0400 Received: from POLARIS/SpoolDir by polaris.umpi.maine.edu (Mercury 1.48); 26 Sep 05 17:20:39 -0500 Received: from SpoolDir by POLARIS (Mercury 1.48); 26 Sep 05 17:20:03 -0500 Received: from ALBERT (130.111.210.148) by polaris.umpi.maine.edu (Mercury 1.48) with ESMTP; 26 Sep 05 17:19:59 -0500 Organization: University of Maine at PI To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:19:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <43382DBA.2476.15B801D1@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <6.2.3.4.2.20050926142805.025163a0@...> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: albert@... X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Anthony Albert" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Mother's Mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169489703; y=hpckPib0NhvzWgUiZpdnbrM73bGVP-inT6AYaP0yTP4t2WKRaKGiUYyA X-Yahoo-Profile: falbertforester Status: RO Content-Length: 1424 Lines: 37 On 26 Sep 2005 at 14:31, Lyn Lobdell wrote: >My mother had mailstation several years ago but stopped it. She >wishes to restart it however in doing searching on the net I don't >find much - I get sent to earthlink who apparently now operates >it. The monthly cost for an earthlink account is over $20. Does >earthlink still support mailstation and if so what is the monthly >charge. Don't want to go the computer route for her as mailstation >is confusing enough. > >Thanks, >Lyn L The Mailstation is still quite a handy device, and is an inexpensive way to send/receive email. I don't know how much longer Earthlink will continue to support it, but the Mailstation can be used with other Internet Service Providers (ISP). There are instructions on changing its settings in the files sections of this group. You might want to look into low-cost ISP in your area, or perhaps even a local small-business ISP. While $20 per month is pretty standard, there are a few places offering dial-up access for about $10 per month, including an email mailbox, which the Mailstation can access. Hope this helps, Anthony Albert =========================================================== Anthony J. Albert albert@... Systems and Software Support Specialist Postmaster Computer Services - University of Maine, Presque Isle "This is only temporary, unless it works." --- Red Green From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: lyn@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82069 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2005 21:25:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2005 21:25:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.199) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2005 21:25:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 9091 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2005 21:25:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO D87VFC21.lobdell.com) (lyn@...@24.176.140.131) by ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2005 21:25:17 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050926172455.02508220@...> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:25:14 -0400 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <43382DBA.2476.15B801D1@localhost> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20050926142805.025163a0@...> <43382DBA.2476.15B801D1@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_21124390==.ALT" X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Lyn Lobdell Subject: Re: [mailstation] Mother's Mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=98087129; y=Xz7L1ZGZxmCjl9QMtvYUT_sCJlpyvJ4M2mAfUmqRhCc X-Yahoo-Profile: lynl6 Status: RO Content-Length: 4818 Lines: 145 --=====================_21124390==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Thank you, Lyn Lobdell At 05:19 PM 9/26/2005, you wrote: >On 26 Sep 2005 at 14:31, Lyn Lobdell wrote: > >My mother had mailstation several years ago but stopped it. She > >wishes to restart it however in doing searching on the net I don't > >find much - I get sent to earthlink who apparently now operates > >it. The monthly cost for an earthlink account is over $20. Does > >earthlink still support mailstation and if so what is the monthly > >charge. Don't want to go the computer route for her as mailstation > >is confusing enough. > > > >Thanks, > >Lyn L > >The Mailstation is still quite a handy device, and is an inexpensive >way to send/receive email. > >I don't know how much longer Earthlink will continue to support it, but >the Mailstation can be used with other Internet Service Providers >(ISP). There are instructions on changing its settings in the files >sections of this group. > >You might want to look into low-cost ISP in your area, or perhaps even >a local small-business ISP. While $20 per month is pretty standard, >there are a few places offering dial-up access for about $10 per month, >including an email mailbox, which the Mailstation can access. > >Hope this helps, >Anthony Albert > >=========================================================== >Anthony J. Albert albert@... >Systems and Software Support Specialist Postmaster >Computer Services - University of Maine, Presque Isle > "This is only temporary, unless it works." > --- Red Green > > > > >---------- >YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > * Visit your group > "mailstation" on the web. > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * > mailstation-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > * > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > >---------- --=====================_21124390==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Thank you,

Lyn Lobdell


At 05:19 PM 9/26/2005, you wrote:
On 26 Sep 2005 at 14:31, Lyn Lobdell wrote:
>My mother had mailstation several years ago but stopped it.  She
>wishes to restart it however in doing searching on the net I don't
>find much - I get sent to earthlink who apparently now operates
>it.  The monthly cost for an earthlink account is over $20.  Does
>earthlink still support mailstation and if so what is the monthly
>charge.  Don't want to go the computer route for her as mailstation
>is confusing enough.
>
>Thanks,
>Lyn L

The Mailstation is still quite a handy device, and is an inexpensive
way to send/receive email.

I don't know how much longer Earthlink will continue to support it, but
the Mailstation can be used with other Internet Service Providers
(ISP).  There are instructions on changing its settings in the files
sections of this group.

You might want to look into low-cost ISP in your area, or perhaps even
a local small-business ISP.  While $20 per month is pretty standard,
there are a few places offering dial-up access for about $10 per month,
including an email mailbox, which the Mailstation can access.

Hope this helps,
Anthony Albert

===========================================================
Anthony J. Albert                     albert@...
Systems and Software Support Specialist          Postmaster
Computer Services - University of Maine, Presque Isle
      "This is only temporary, unless it works."
                  --- Red Green



YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS


--=====================_21124390==.ALT-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: mark.kall@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57211 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2005 14:19:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2005 14:19:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2005 14:19:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2005 14:18:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2005 14:18:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:18:05 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "mgkall" Subject: using a mailstation for pop3 email X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=218763696; y=D2Spm_fbiBTq8taPTLevX0sylLu0KyFUAY8cUO-3y9k4 X-Yahoo-Profile: mgkall Status: RO Content-Length: 1167 Lines: 31 Hi. I have 3 mailstations I collected in the past 3 years or so. Each of the 3 DET1's has a firmware version which allows me to put in ISP settings, POP3 server, smtp server, passwords, etc. I was going to distribute some to my relatives so we could email easily, but a problem came up. Up until about 15 months ago I had been using one of them with my AT&T email account. But suddenly it stopped working. After much investigation and NO HELP FROM AT&T, I determined that it was the XTND command coming from the Mailstation which was causing an error message on the mailserver which basically killed the whole process. I've tried to find other free email services which can tolerate the XTND command by either ignoring it or coming back with OK but not an error message. But I have been unable to find an email service which will work. Does anyone in the group have the name and/or address of an email provider I can use which WILL work with my mailstation ? Has anyone figured out how to hack the code to avoid this issue ? BTW, I'd be willing to sell at least two of them if someone is interested. They are LIKE "NEW". Thanks in advance, Mark From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jamie@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39234 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2005 19:58:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2005 19:58:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO u15181319.onlinehome-server.com) (82.165.235.27) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2005 19:58:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 3682 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2005 20:01:11 -0000 Received: from 67-42-163-60.bois.qwest.net (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (67.42.163.60) by u15181319.onlinehome-server.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2005 20:01:11 -0000 Message-ID: <433D988C.2010905@...> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:57:00 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jamie Farnes Reply-To: jamie@... Subject: Newbie with a Mailstation 250 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=236175222; y=y4VjholsHrJzSNQJkdWhcKOqvdVkQkM1WFwnQR9lw_XCrOA5TsQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jamiefarnes Status: RO Content-Length: 588 Lines: 13 Hello everyone, I have a Mailstation 250 (model DET2B, firmware V1.12 XTND:ON) that isn't taking kindly to my adventures in repurposing. I have tried every key combination I can think of, but the only promising sign I get is a "Scanning Memory Data..." progress bar on startup with a menu to reset system data. It seems I'm not much of a hardware hacker...can anyone out there give me some hints on what I'm doing wrong? A step-by-step guide or FAQ for this model would also be a great help for any n00bs like myself who came along. Thanks for reading! :) --Jamie Farnes From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: runparts@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70766 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2005 10:22:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2005 10:22:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.60) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 10:22:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n7.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 10:20:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 10:20:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 10:20:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:20:16 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Chris H" Subject: Just Deals DET1 has someone's old messages in memory X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=43230313; y=VZp4VpwQsvttPVx5NKg6ZhKZIUXnNVbzcV5wyM_4fmAhXAI X-Yahoo-Profile: runparts Status: RO Content-Length: 1158 Lines: 42 I'm cross posting my message from the I-Appliance BBS because this seems to= get more traffic. Anyway, I found a neat thing about my MailStation: So I= was playing around with an old Southwestern Bell branded "eMessage" (DET1 = MIVO 100 w/ 2.22CIDSV firmware) that I got from Just Deals a good time ago,= and while browsing with the hex editor (Shift-Fn-T while powering on, then= hiting shift F3? however it is done, I forget) I found what appear to be s= omeone else's saved emails. The unit came to me unconfigured, I've added on= e user and left the other 4 blank. At around 02 c0 a0 plus or minus there a= re several emails from/to a Kirstin who is apparently new to email ("I GOT = MAIL FOR MY PHONE!!"). Interesting to read. My guess is that the Just Deals= units were re-furbished from a warrenty return. They reset them at the fac= tory but that does not wipe the user space memory clear. So I get to read s= ome random person's emails. Check it out if you have one of the Just Deals = mailstations or another refurbished unit. Not necessarly useful informatio= n, but interesting and raises several questions about privacy. Chris H. = From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: albert@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86977 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2005 13:41:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2005 13:41:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO marble.unet.maine.edu) (130.111.32.18) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 13:41:05 -0000 Received: from granite.unet.maine.edu (granite.unet.maine.edu [130.111.32.22]) by marble.unet.maine.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAMDeTlK009887 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:40:29 -0500 Received: from polaris.umpi.maine.edu (polaris.umpi.maine.edu [130.111.208.10]) by granite.unet.maine.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jAMDeKiY006497 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:40:21 -0500 Received: from POLARIS/SpoolDir by polaris.umpi.maine.edu (Mercury 1.48); 22 Nov 05 08:45:14 -0400 Received: from SpoolDir by POLARIS (Mercury 1.48); 22 Nov 05 08:44:26 -0400 Received: from ALBERT (130.111.210.148) by polaris.umpi.maine.edu (Mercury 1.48) with ESMTP; 22 Nov 05 08:44:14 -0400 Organization: University of Maine at PI To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:44:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4382DA5D.17858.340FC04@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: albert@... X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 From: "Anthony Albert" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Just Deals DET1 has someone's old messages in memory X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169489703; y=A5t9deETmstJ6KVx6yFLlJN89Qwb0vxPeQL5FJdCIW87lREMVFF5f2US X-Yahoo-Profile: falbertforester Status: RO Content-Length: 1913 Lines: 41 On 22 Nov 2005 at 10:20, Chris H wrote: >I'm cross posting my message from the I-Appliance BBS because this >seems to get more traffic. Anyway, I found a neat thing about my >MailStation: > >So I was playing around with an old Southwestern Bell branded >"eMessage" (DET1 MIVO 100 w/ 2.22CIDSV firmware) that I got from Just >Deals a good time ago, and while browsing with the hex editor >(Shift-Fn-T while powering on, then hiting shift F3? however it is >done, I forget) I found what appear to be someone else's saved emails. >The unit came to me unconfigured, I've added one user and left the >other 4 blank. At around 02 c0 a0 plus or minus there are several >emails from/to a Kirstin who is apparently new to email ("I GOT MAIL >FOR MY PHONE!!"). Interesting to read. My guess is that the Just Deals >units were re-furbished from a warrenty return. They reset them at the >factory but that does not wipe the user space memory clear. So I get >to read some random person's emails. Check it out if you have one of >the Just Deals mailstations or another refurbished unit. > >Not necessarly useful information, but interesting and raises several >questions about privacy. > >Chris H. Indeed, it does raise privacy concerns. Reliable and complete deletion of (possibly) sensitive information should definitely be on the list of any refurbishement operation... My guess is that they just didn't give it any thought at the refurb place, just assumed the reset would do the trick. With flash memory, though, that's not enough - I think there should have been a ROM routine included for doing just that. Anthony Albert =========================================================== Anthony J. Albert albert@... Systems and Software Support Specialist Postmaster Computer Services - University of Maine, Presque Isle "This is only temporary, unless it works." --- Red Green From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28202 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2005 08:07:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2005 08:07:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2005 08:07:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2005 08:06:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2005 08:06:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:06:53 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Just Deals DET1 has someone's old messages in memory X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=FBiV4kyqGWMs0fs-BweC37xxJOHi8UFTcExKFjV724kJnR13HbN5ObcXRw X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 2128 Lines: 85 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Chris H" wrote: > ... = > So I was playing around with an old Southwestern Bell branded > "eMessage= " (DET1 MIVO 100 w/ 2.22CIDSV firmware) that I got from Just > Deals a go= od time ago, and while browsing with the hex editor > (Shift-Fn-T while pow= ering on, then hiting shift F3? however it is > done, I forget) Hi Chris,= It's Shift-F5 (from test mode), to enter hex viewer mode. From there, an= interesting key sequence is g710304x Then try function-s You will f= ind yourself in hex *edit* mode. :-) > I found what appear to be someone = else's saved emails. > The unit came to me unconfigured, I've added one us= er and left the > other 4 blank. At around 02 c0 a0 plus or minus there are= several > emails from/to a Kirstin who is apparently new to email ("I GOT = MAIL > FOR MY PHONE!!"). Interesting to read. My guess is that the Just D= eals > units were re-furbished from a warrenty return. They reset them at = the > factory but that does not wipe the user space memory clear. So I get= > to read some random person's emails. Check it out if you have one of > t= he Just Deals mailstations or another refurbished unit. > > Not necessarly = useful information, but interesting and raises several > questions about = privacy. I find it both useful and interesting! Useful, because it inspir= ed me to take another look at the file structure from the hex-viewer. I hav= e been trying to understand the file system by examining the code. But the= re were several details that hadn't really clicked into place. Looking at= some files after knowing a little bit about the structure provided a coupl= e of big "AHA!!!" moments. And interesting, because it raises the question= of just where the responsibility lies for protecting the privacy of data t= hat is locked inside of an appliance with non-removable and non-volatile m= emory. I tend to believe it should be the users responsibility. But maybe= as consumers, we need to demand a privacy policy from the manufacturers an= d dealers of these kinds of devices? --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22375 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2005 03:12:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2005 03:12:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2005 03:12:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2005 03:12:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2005 03:12:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 03:12:11 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Just Deals DET1 has someone's old messages in memory X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=aoSWMPNhBpaTKJfFB7kyA566YLcRkhJ1wdHx20q2yjwxbLNRbJSZGyS94g X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 173 Lines: 11 Testing the flash seems to wipe out all of the dataflash, except for the se= rial number. The files are no longer just tagged as deleted, they are zer= oed out. --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: niklaus37217@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41460 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2005 19:08:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2005 19:08:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.147) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2005 19:08:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 63381 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Nov 2005 19:08:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20051129190812.63379.qmail@...> Received: from [170.143.252.32] by web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:08:12 PST Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:08:12 -0800 (PST) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Gary Clouse Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Just Deals DET1 has someone's old messages in memory X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=154404643; y=lMrho2B62gDP0CTrTj1-yrWluKpf9rCVEqTHr6iW59viud7rEJGf X-Yahoo-Profile: niklaus37217 Status: RO Content-Length: 2697 Lines: 103 I work a lot with used computers, and they often have old data on them. I will usually backup the data, and hold it until I can verify that the previous owner doen't want it, at which time I delete the backup. MOst of the time the former owner is unreachable or doesn't want the old data. --- Cyrano Jones wrote: > --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Chris H" > wrote: > > ... > > So I was playing around with an old Southwestern > Bell branded > > "eMessage" (DET1 MIVO 100 w/ 2.22CIDSV firmware) > that I got from > Just > > Deals a good time ago, and while browsing with the > hex editor > > (Shift-Fn-T while powering on, then hiting shift > F3? however it is > > done, I forget) > > Hi Chris, > > It's Shift-F5 (from test mode), to enter hex viewer > mode. > > From there, an interesting key sequence is > g710304x > > Then try function-s > You will find yourself in hex *edit* mode. :-) > > > I found what appear to be someone else's saved > emails. > > The unit came to me unconfigured, I've added one > user and left the > > other 4 blank. At around 02 c0 a0 plus or minus > there are several > > emails from/to a Kirstin who is apparently new to > email ("I GOT MAIL > > FOR MY PHONE!!"). Interesting to read. My guess is > that the Just > Deals > > units were re-furbished from a warrenty return. > They reset them at > the > > factory but that does not wipe the user space > memory clear. So I get > > to read some random person's emails. Check it out > if you have one of > > the Just Deals mailstations or another refurbished > unit. > > > > Not necessarly useful information, but interesting > and raises > several > > questions about privacy. > > I find it both useful and interesting! Useful, > because it inspired > me to take another look at the file structure from > the hex-viewer. > I have been trying to understand the file system by > examining the > code. But there were several details that hadn't > really clicked > into place. Looking at some files after knowing a > little bit about > the structure provided a couple of big "AHA!!!" > moments. > > And interesting, because it raises the question of > just where the > responsibility lies for protecting the privacy of > data that is > locked inside of an appliance with non-removable and > non-volatile > memory. > > I tend to believe it should be the users > responsibility. But maybe > as consumers, we need to demand a privacy policy > from the > manufacturers and dealers of these kinds of devices? > > --CJ > > > > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: konablend@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63831 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2006 07:37:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2006 07:37:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2006 07:37:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2006 07:34:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2006 07:34:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 07:34:37 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "konablend" Subject: I have an Idea! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138188748; y=tfhSar9j-1OVCRz1JPsPCsnDo_-GaCXtcGIOrbVlOs1Ct49p X-Yahoo-Profile: konablend Status: RO Content-Length: 1057 Lines: 35 I'm sure I'm not the first. I have a DET1 Blah blah blah...2.54Y Firmware.= Let me get to the point. I can get into the edit mode of the hex viewer= . As I understand it, what i'm looking at is all user mem and not ROM. B= ut the ROM is flashable. And there are instructions already in place to d= o it. And you can enter your own apps by hand in hex and run them in the = yahoo! feature or wherever. All I want to do in turn XTND off or at least= change the strings to something else the POP3 server wont puke on (-ERR).= 0C1D30 in the rom is what I'm looking to change. 0C1C70, AND 0C1DB0 as w= ell. 06bab0 has a couple of strings but thats all they are for what I kno= w. So basically what I want to do is change XTND to something that wont = return -ERR on most POP3 servers, and I want to do it without flashing the= ROM externally. I am more than willing to enter hex for a few hours to m= ake it work. Maybe someone will write an editor for the rom someday. Any= idea's anyone? --Hoping this will get read, ERIC From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: niklaus37217@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74014 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 18:02:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2006 18:02:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31610.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.156) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 18:02:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 19134 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jan 2006 18:00:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20060123180046.19132.qmail@...> Received: from [170.143.252.32] by web31610.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:00:46 PST Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:00:46 -0800 (PST) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Gary Clouse Subject: Re: [mailstation] I have an Idea! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=154404643; y=Vg9KFnceYq1Gc5h4xGG38agsDSXKFyHwcOruzCWM_wHisGJLvmz6 X-Yahoo-Profile: niklaus37217 Status: RO Content-Length: 1510 Lines: 51 The Rabbit cpu used in the mailstations have a hardware flashmemory function that works through the parallel port. I don't know how to access it through the printer port, but someone on the list probably does. --- konablend wrote: > I'm sure I'm not the first. I have a DET1 Blah blah > blah...2.54Y > Firmware. Let me get to the point. I can get into > the edit mode of > the hex viewer. As I understand it, what i'm > looking at is all user > mem and not ROM. But the ROM is flashable. And > there are > instructions already in place to do it. And you can > enter your own > apps by hand in hex and run them in the yahoo! > feature or wherever. > All I want to do in turn XTND off or at least change > the strings to > something else the POP3 server wont puke on (-ERR). > 0C1D30 in the rom > is what I'm looking to change. 0C1C70, AND 0C1DB0 as > well. 06bab0 has > a couple of strings but thats all they are for what > I know. So > basically what I want to do is change XTND to > something that wont > return -ERR on most POP3 servers, and I want to do > it without flashing > the ROM externally. I am more than willing to enter > hex for a few > hours to make it work. Maybe someone will write an > editor for the rom > someday. Any idea's anyone? > > > --Hoping this will get read, ERIC > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15986 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 18:52:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2006 18:52:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.223) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 18:52:04 -0000 Received: from NewBaby ([209.121.230.219]) by priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with SMTP id <20060123184200.IBZF12833.priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net@NewBaby> for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:42:00 -0700 Message-ID: <0e7e01c6204c$b23a3400$dbe679d1@NewBaby> To: References: <20060123180046.19132.qmail@...> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:31:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] I have an Idea! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100; y=PSgLsgYGT48cO-zpvLnzEHf8AaZYhJw6ru2Bdobwr7q6YCkG6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 355 Lines: 16 Did you look at old messages, or the files section? Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Clouse" > The Rabbit cpu used in the mailstations have a > hardware flashmemory function that works through the > parallel port. I don't know how to access it through > the printer port, but someone on the list probably > does. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30424 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2006 05:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2006 05:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2006 05:51:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2006 05:48:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2006 05:48:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:48:30 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060123180046.19132.qmail@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: I have an Idea! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=dnIJ-QTDpKuoAhgoAmXwd7Uc3X9FOqtJqV5vgJwQnqKYW3-3M_RnW6GJJw X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 4230 Lines: 174 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, Gary Clouse wrote:= > > The Rabbit cpu used in the mailstations have a > hardware flashmemory = function that works through the > parallel port. I don't know how to access= it through > the printer port, but someone on the list probably > does. = Why do you think it is a Rabbit cpu??? It does not even come close to mat= ching the pinouts of the standard Rabbit chips that I am aware of. As far= as I know, it is not a Rabbit part. In my personal opinion, it is a cu= stom ASIC. But there is a built-in reflash function, in *software*. One = of the things that my "mailbug" debugger does is interface with this nativ= e reflash capability (via parallel port & laplink cable), allowing you to = re-program the mailstations codeflash. So far, the only thing *I* have fl= ashed in any of my mailstations is code that lets me boot up the remote d= ebugger. But it can be used to flash whatever you want. Ferinstince, if so= meone was inclined to write completely new firmware, mailbug can flash it = into a stock mailstation. Or, if you just want to make some changes to ex= isting mailstation firmware, it can reflash with your modified firmware. = I have been working (Ha!) on a new version of the boot code (code that boo= ts up the remote debug functions of mailbug) that can be used without erasi= ng the existing mailstation code. (The native reflash erases most of the = codeflash *before* you get a chance to "back it up".) This new version wi= ll (when I get it working) let you load and execute your own code over the = laplink, without killing the existing mailstation code. It also will let = you save to disk an intact image of your particular firmware version. Afte= r saving your firmware to a file on PC, you can edit it with whatever tools= you like, and then flash your new version back to your mailstation. If y= ou are working with mailstation firmware 2.53yr or 2.54, you can do this n= ow, with the currently posted mailbug 0.0.3. There are images of those tw= o firmware versions in the group download area. So, for those two, you do= n't really need to save your own images. One catch, mailbug 0.0.3 will no= t let you change the first four pages of codeflash with the native reflash.= If you load the remote debug boot code, then you can flash anything anyw= here. Mailbug 0.0.4 will flash the whole codeflash without needing to load= the remote debugger. -- CJ > --- konablend wrote: > = > > I'm sure I'm not the first. I have a DET1 Blah blah > > blah...2.54Y = > > Firmware. Let me get to the point. I can get into > > the edit mode o= f > > the hex viewer. As I understand it, what i'm > > looking at is all = user > > mem and not ROM. But the ROM is flashable. And > > there are >= > instructions already in place to do it. And you can > > enter your own = > > apps by hand in hex and run them in the yahoo! > > feature or wherever= . > > All I want to do in turn XTND off or at least change > > the string= s to > > something else the POP3 server wont puke on (-ERR). > > 0C1D30 i= n the rom > > is what I'm looking to change. 0C1C70, AND 0C1DB0 as > > wel= l. 06bab0 has > > a couple of strings but thats all they are for what > >= I know. So > > basically what I want to do is change XTND to > > somethi= ng that wont > > return -ERR on most POP3 servers, and I want to do > > it= without flashing > > the ROM externally. I am more than willing to enter= > > hex for a few > > hours to make it work. Maybe someone will write an= > > editor for the rom > > someday. Any idea's anyone? > > > > > > --H= oping this will get read, ERIC > > > > > > > > > > > ________________= __________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo= ! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > This= is a test, and this line starts at left margin. This line is indente= d 5 spaces. < someone suggested that angle brackets might keep l= ines from being "fixed" by the friendly yahoo people.... I wonder= if it will???> we now return to our regularly scheduled program. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: niklaus37217@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74654 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2006 22:31:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2006 22:31:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31614.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.160) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2006 22:31:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 15614 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jan 2006 22:30:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20060130223042.15608.qmail@...> Received: from [170.143.252.32] by web31614.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:30:42 PST Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:30:42 -0800 (PST) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Gary Clouse Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: I have an Idea! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=154404643; y=jxe1AoqhW_97kWHr_82m-iCOGtQ61f5JGI2TOSjFW1PAfYjXkF4F X-Yahoo-Profile: niklaus37217 Status: RO Content-Length: 700 Lines: 22 --- Cyrano Jones wrote: > Why do you think it is a Rabbit cpu??? It does not > even > come close to matching the pinouts of the standard > Rabbit chips that I am aware of. As far as I know, > it is not a Rabbit part. Of the 2 that I have ( 1 120 and a 150 ) the 120 has a rabbit chip in it. It is apparently a discontinued part that was replaced by the 2000. The Rabbit 2000 is functionally similar. both are based on a Z180 compatible core. I'll have to take a peek at theh 150's innards and see what it has. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80896 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2006 05:39:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2006 05:39:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2006 05:39:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2006 05:35:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2006 05:35:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 05:35:57 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060130223042.15608.qmail@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="4-4718720198-9425863565=:3" X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: I have an Idea! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=JBNJm5Y-nnDAke8eptKezPqxhACX_f3JhBbyHzrzwCujnkekDec1EOzdBg X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 2647 Lines: 104 --4-4718720198-9425863565=:3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --- Gary Clouse wrote: > > > --- Cyrano Jones cyranojo= nes_lalp@y... wrote: > > > Why do you think it is a Rabbit cpu??? It does n= ot > > even > > come close to matching the pinouts of the standard > > Rabb= it chips that I am aware of. As far as I know, > > it is not a Rabbit part.= > > Of the 2 that I have ( 1 120 and a 150 ) the 120 has a > rabbit chip i= n it. It is apparently a discontinued > part that was replaced by the 2000.= The Rabbit 2000 is > functionally similar. both are based on a Z180 > comp= atible core. I'll have to take a peek at theh > 150's innards and see what = it has. Are you saying that you have something other than the 3SI176 chip,= or that the 3SI176 is a Rabbit part? I have opened up a lot of different = models, and found the same chip in all (3SI176), except for the 350, which = had a Toshiba TMP91C820AF. These are the models I know of: http://groups.y= ahoo.com/group/mailstation/database?method=3DreportRows=3D1 -- CJ = just testin' rich text editor... this line starts at left margin this line = is indented --4-4718720198-9425863565=:3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--4-4718720198-9425863565=:3-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: niklaus37217@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30215 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2006 00:10:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2006 00:10:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.173) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2006 00:10:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 91576 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Feb 2006 00:10:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20060203001059.91574.qmail@...> Received: from [170.143.252.32] by web34507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:10:59 PST Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:10:59 -0800 (PST) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Gary Clouse Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: I have an Idea! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=154404643; y=_X4qkCujHltUrswagvhPHgv0VFf9RxJjTCBlfhZhA7VqOpeY5Cxi X-Yahoo-Profile: niklaus37217 Status: RO Content-Length: 1592 Lines: 67 I opened up my other one and it has the same chip set. Several months ago I did find the part number on a chip directory, which listed it a rabbit semiconductor CPU as compatible. I think the 3si176 is a chinese clone. --- Cyrano Jones wrote: > > --- Gary Clouse wrote: > > > > > > --- Cyrano Jones cyranojones_lalp@y... wrote: > > > > > Why do you think it is a Rabbit cpu??? It does > not > > > even > > > come close to matching the pinouts of the > standard > > > Rabbit chips that I am aware of. As far as I > know, > > > it is not a Rabbit part. > > > > Of the 2 that I have ( 1 120 and a 150 ) the 120 > has a > > rabbit chip in it. It is apparently a discontinued > > part that was replaced by the 2000. The Rabbit > 2000 is > > functionally similar. both are based on a Z180 > > compatible core. I'll have to take a peek at theh > > 150's innards and see what it has. > > Are you saying that you have something other than > the 3SI176 chip, or that the 3SI176 is a Rabbit > part? > > I have opened up a lot of different models, and > found > the same chip in all (3SI176), except for the 350, > which > had a Toshiba TMP91C820AF. > > These are the models I know of: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/database?method=reportRows=1 > > -- CJ > > > > > > > > > just testin' rich text editor... > this line starts at left margin this line is > indented > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ab8kf@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75282 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2006 23:07:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2006 23:07:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51014.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.79) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2006 23:07:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 84639 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Feb 2006 23:07:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20060203230704.84637.qmail@...> Received: from [66.97.136.124] by web51014.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:07:04 PST Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:07:04 -0800 (PST) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060203001059.91574.qmail@...> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Sean Walton Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: I have an Idea! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157967598; y=UunG1mUZgu1oen1XKVpQlwGd39uKG0mkgY5ILPxwXvA X-Yahoo-Profile: ab8kf Status: RO Content-Length: 640 Lines: 20 Can you get the details on both chips (and any differences)? I have tried many times to get hardware and programming specs from various mfr's, but they are only willing to selling the chips. -Sean Walton --- Gary Clouse wrote: > I opened up my other one and it has the > same chip set. Several months ago I did find the > part number on a chip directory, which listed it > a rabbit semiconductor CPU as compatible. I think > the 3si176 is a chinese clone. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2006 21:41:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2006 21:41:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 21:41:20 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "iwireless2001" Subject: Mailstation 350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=9cweFwLSLT71_NMWM3wBgEdfDAROnx2VB3P30u2vhN1rBpgXZkxUeg X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 1173 Lines: 56 I have 2 mailstation 350's, one is a version 1.37 and the other is a versio= n 1.39. If I do a Power up with Control, Q, A, held down on the 1.39, I g= et a input box, I have tried the qa781206 data, and it comes back and says = "wrong ISP". If I do the same Power up with the 1.37, it comes up in diagn= ostic menu mode. When you check something, and then Quit and re-power, the= setup menu comes up, with everything cleared, HOWEVER, you can NOT get in= to the "email Address" line. If you try to SAVE, a box says that all entrie= s have to be filled and then takes you to the "email address line". But y= ou can NOT enter anything in it ??????? In the tests, which are: 1. S/A te= st 1. LCD 2. keyboard 3. Rom 4. RAM = 5. Flash 6. Phone 7 DTMF 8 Cu= rrent There is an OPTION to "CLEAR FLASH" ?????????? If I Cleared the flash= , would that JUST clear the email and network entries, or clear ALL the PR= OGRAMMING ???? Also on the main screen is a place for the S/N and ship ID,= but I can not seem to get into that area to write anything ?? Any sugge= stions ???? 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2006 13:46:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2006 13:46:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:46:22 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Mailstation 350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=5HFpfZwCCOZrHzBbUJM4VP9DW-D2drAaMWjt6Xpyfx5d3FnKFR78UXQuwg X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 2756 Lines: 123 --- "iwireless2001" wrote: > > I have 2 mailstation 350's, on= e is a version 1.37 and the > other is a version 1.39. > > If I do a Power= up with Control, Q, A, held down on the > 1.39, I get a input box, I have= tried the qa781206 data, > and it comes back and says "wrong ISP". > > If= I do the same Power up with the 1.37, it comes up in > diagnostic menu mod= e. On mine (350 v1.37), when I do ctrl-q-a qa781206 I get the message "T= his device can't recognize the ID, please contact your service provider." = The version info under the menu setup>mailstation> is V.1.37 XTND:ON C I d= on't know what the C means. Is this the same on yours? I wonder what might= be different? > When you check something, and then Quit and re-power, the= > setup menu comes up, with everything cleared, > > HOWEVER, you can NOT = get into the "email Address" line. > If you try to SAVE, a box says that al= l entries have to be filled and > then takes you to the "email address li= ne". But you can NOT enter > anything in it ??????? That is how mine beha= ves when I hold ctrl-d while booting, and then interrupt it (reset button)= while it is doing the "restore factory settings". To get past the part w= here it insists all entries be filled, but will not let you fill one of th= em, I have to restore factory settings again, without interrupting. > In = the tests, which are: > 1. S/A test 1. LCD > 2. keyboard > = 3. Rom > 4. RAM > 5. Flash > 6.= Phone > 7 DTMF > 8 Current I have never got this= menu on a 350. Can you get it into the hex edit mode? On the other model= s, from the first test mode menu, you enter a ctrl-f5 to start the hex edit= or. > There is an OPTION to "CLEAR FLASH" ?????????? > If I Cleared the fl= ash, would that JUST clear the email and network > entries, or clear ALL t= he PROGRAMMING ???? I don't know for sure, but my best guess is it would o= nly clear data, and not code. If I could get mine to this point, I don't t= hink I could suppress my curiosity, and I would just try it. But that's m= e. :-) The fact that they call out rom & flash separately in the menu wou= ld seem to suggest that they are calling the codeflash "Rom", and the dataf= lash "Flash". > Also on the main screen is a place for the S/N and ship I= D, but I > can not seem to get into that area to write anything ?? > > An= y suggestions ???? What's in those areas now? The serial number is on a = sticker on the bottom of unit, maybe ship ID is the other number on that = sticker? The older models just display the sn at the bottom of the test mo= de menu. You can't change it on those models. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: iacomella@... 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n4.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2006 16:39:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2006 16:39:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2006 16:39:45 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:39:44 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Franco Iacomella" Subject: Emails long limitation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=176704078; y=ZMdmBP-0tpF2WIrDm6d4px50tpX_Ql2KAz3fiV_-4KcMIE_BswEROT4ffw X-Yahoo-Profile: franco_iacomella Status: RO Content-Length: 150 Lines: 9 Hi to everyone! Does anybody know a way to kick off the limitation of the e= -mails? There is any hack tp avoid this problem? any ieda? Regards! From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6588 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2006 02:25:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2006 02:25:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.85) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2006 02:25:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Feb 2006 20:30:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2006 02:25:10 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 02:25:09 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Mailstation 350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=iOrVE74wR_p4jXnVzrUjoTx0TCeig1up6K-iWRt7GPKnDaljoL5VBDLTwg X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 2436 Lines: 108 BEWARE OF TESTING FLASH ON 350!!!!! (more below) I was playing a bit mor= e today, and figured out some more, so I am replying to myself... --- "Cyrano Jones" wrote: > > --- "iwirele= ss2001" wrote: > > > > I have 2 mailstation 350's, one is a versi= on 1.37 and the > > other is a version 1.39. > > > > If I do a Power up wi= th Control, Q, A, held down on the > > 1.39, I get a input box, I have tri= ed the qa781206 data, > > and it comes back and says "wrong ISP". > > > > = If I do the same Power up with the 1.37, it comes up in > > diagnostic menu= mode. > > On mine (350 v1.37), when I do ctrl-q-a qa781206 I get the > = message "This device can't recognize the ID, please contact > your service = provider." I figured out the correct id for 350's, but not the master. It = is based on the serial number (sticker on bottom). If your serial number is= SN023903xxxx then the ID would be qa350xxxx This also works for the 120's= & 150's, but it is qa120xxxx (it's qa120xxxx even on the 150). I tried qa= 783508 for the master instead of qa781208, ^^^ = ^^^ but it did not work. > The version info under the menu= setup>mailstation> is > V.1.37 XTND:ON C (I don't know what the C means)= Maybe the "C" means "closed", as opposed to "open", (iow, "locked" or "un= locked")??? > I have never got this menu on a 350. Can you get it= into > the hex edit mode? On the other models, from the first > test mode= menu, you enter a ctrl-f5 to start the hex editor. I got to the test mode= menu now, but ctrl-f5 does not work to put 350 into hex edit. :-( > > Th= ere is an OPTION to "CLEAR FLASH" ?????????? > > If I Cleared the flash, wo= uld that JUST clear the email and > > network entries, or clear ALL the PR= OGRAMMING ???? > > I don't know for sure, but my best guess is it would on= ly > clear data, and not code. If I could get mine to this point, > I do= n't think I could suppress my curiosity, and I would just > try it. But t= hat's me. :-) I didn't yet try the "CLEAR FLASH", but I did try the "TES= T FLASH" option. It apparently cleared out the "factory setting" values, a= nd now I cannot get out of the "can't set email, and can't quit till you se= t email" infinite loop. Oh well, I will try some more, and maybe the "CLEA= R FLASH" will get me out. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: searsz80@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42959 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2006 01:19:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2006 01:19:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.232) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2006 01:19:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n9.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2006 01:18:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2006 01:18:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2006 01:18:38 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:18:36 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "searsz80" Subject: Re: Emails long limitation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175379185; y=v57g86F9CISBiEMkkgoURl-DtSRT6PRiZYSqw_Z1RRY3a0c X-Yahoo-Profile: searsz80 Status: RO Content-Length: 651 Lines: 36 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Franco Iacomella" wro= te: > > Hi to everyone! > Does anybody know a way to kick off the limitatio= n of the e-mails? > There is any hack tp avoid this problem? any ieda? Rega= rds! Hi, As far as I know, there is no way to turn it off. Without hacki= ng the code that is. I don't think even Earthlink/Cidco could turn it off= for you. How high did you want to set it? The mailstation has less than = 365k bytes of flash maximum for the inbox. If you have any address book da= ta, or calendar data, or saved email (inbox, outbox, or sent folders) there= will be even less. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: bmarcum@... 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(Bill Marcum) From: bmarcum@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Mailstation 350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2511197; y=Jt0F5RAlHYCu4zcRqc6HOWT1gSkpgdBmy3FxseMdOW-X89ij X-Yahoo-Profile: billmkatt Status: RO Content-Length: 578 Lines: 15 On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 01:46:22PM -0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > I have never got this menu on a 350. Can you get it into > the hex edit mode? On the other models, from the first > test mode menu, you enter a ctrl-f5 to start the hex editor. > Cool! I got into the hex editor on my 150, had to press ctrl-shift-f5. What can you do in the hex editor? Write Z80 machine code? How do you execute it? The memory seems to contain mostly zero bytes except for a few hundred bytes at the end. -- Do not meddle in the affairs of troff, for it is subtle and quick to anger. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2006 07:54:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2006 07:54:18 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:54:18 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060211190502.GB26969@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Mailstation 350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=wwGl9xtBrCVm93AIJCTPwI-XtqXG-A3j9SZAMxBnksTTEBNFkRfbo0GESw X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1982 Lines: 78 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, bmarcum@... wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 10, = 2006 at 01:46:22PM -0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > > > I have never got this = menu on a 350. Can you get it into > > the hex edit mode? On the other mo= dels, from the first > > test mode menu, you enter a ctrl-f5 to start the h= ex editor. > > > Cool! I got into the hex editor on my 150, had to press = > ctrl-shift-f5. I should have said shift-f5. That works on all but the 3= 50, and puts you into a "secret" hex-viewer mode. If you want to actually = edit some bytes, you need to enable the "double secret" hex-edit mode. Typ= e G710304x :-) (uh... without the smiley, of course!) After enablin= g, ctrl-s will shift you into edit mode. Another ctrl-s exits edit mode, a= nd saves the new bytes to dataflash. Each screenful in hex edit mode is a s= ingle 256 byte sector of the dataflash. You have to save each sector befor= e you can move to another sector. > What can you do in the hex editor? Wr= ite Z80 machine code? > How do you execute it? The memory seems to conta= in mostly > zero bytes except for a few hundred bytes at the end. You can= edit any byte in the dataflash. The first 5 pages of dataflash can contai= n 5 applications. Control is transfered to the first byte of those pages w= hen you select the corresponding icon from the mailstation menu. You add t= he apps to the menu by editing the "app count" in page #08 of the dataflash= . If you form your app code like the mailstation wants, you will have an i= con and caption as part of your app. The mailstation will display it in th= e menu, under "Yahoo" if you have a yahoo folder, or under "Extras" if you = don't have a yahoo folder. If you don't include icon & caption, you will j= ust get a blank space in the menu, or maybe a garbage icon if your code sit= s where the icon is 'sposed to be. It's pretty obvious where the new item = is regardless of whether you include icon. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: bmarcum@... 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(Bill Marcum) From: bmarcum@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Mailstation 350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2511197; y=Zy6rQZDqtymEL8mbgPn8Jwdnpnqfvj4Og363k_PbEdx80LRd X-Yahoo-Profile: billmkatt Status: RO Content-Length: 543 Lines: 15 On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 07:54:18AM -0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > > You can edit any byte in the dataflash. The first 5 pages > of dataflash can contain 5 applications. Control is transfered > to the first byte of those pages when you select the corresponding > icon from the mailstation menu. You add the apps to the menu > by editing the "app count" in page #08 of the dataflash. > OK, got it. Now to try and make a "hello world" app... -- Show me a man who is a good loser and I'll show you a man who is playing golf with his boss. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: bmarcum@... 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(Bill Marcum) From: bmarcum@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Mailstation 350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2511197; y=5XunxGaWCuPYNFj8qlNq7UBI5hAqrxq3tAYOK9R4Hnjb5FQ5 X-Yahoo-Profile: billmkatt Status: RO Content-Length: 584 Lines: 17 On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 02:05:02PM -0500, bmarcum@... wrote: > On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 01:46:22PM -0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > > > I have never got this menu on a 350. Can you get it into > > the hex edit mode? On the other models, from the first > > test mode menu, you enter a ctrl-f5 to start the hex editor. > > > Cool! I got into the hex editor on my 150, had to press ctrl-shift-f5. > What can you do in the hex editor? I found out, the hex editor seems to be read-only. Maybe it needs a different password to allow writing. -- Beam me up, Scotty! It ate my phaser! From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55283 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2006 21:21:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Feb 2006 21:21:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.222) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2006 21:21:12 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2006 21:21:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2006 21:21:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2006 21:21:05 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:21:04 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060212195709.GC26969@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Mailstation 350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=IkgfBiE0UM9jYi6s2V-j_rqARiW4wc1gcgiBRjCD-Hdl2psHNBDT0wY6nw X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 378 Lines: 26 > I found out, the hex editor seems to be read-only. Maybe it needs a > d= ifferent password to allow writing. Sounds like you are in plain old hex-v= iewer mode. You need to *enable* edit mode after you get in viewer mode. = Then, you need to kick it into edit mode for each sector. reread msg 447 = http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/message/447 -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29090 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2006 21:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2006 21:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.85) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2006 21:34:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2006 15:40:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2006 21:34:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:34:53 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "iwireless2001" Subject: Mailstation 350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=eapt4pdKX7EYLAO2blYdsoDs8H_eZbWe3MOz-hpk0Edz_2K1HAjRmw X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 935 Lines: 38 Biggest problem is trying to find where to unlock the area that has the ent= ries for the email address. They couldn't get this unit to go on the syste= m because the s/n was still being listed under somebodies account. (Probab= ly paid up front for a full year, and then sold it), and the other unit I = have, sends out OK, but will not receive the "special email" that changes = the unit over to the NEW account. SO I am stuck !!!! If I can get into t= he Email address area and change it, then I can start using it on the Mail= station account already setup. The 1.37 version is now blank, and can't ge= t back in the area. The 1.39 version brings up the "entry box", which I cou= ld get into, but if I wipe out the Flash, then I have 2 dead units. Is th= ere a way to get into it to read one, and then re-program the HEX on the o= ther ??? Just need to find a way to unlock that unit to re-program it ??? = wayne From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55109 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2006 04:56:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2006 04:56:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2006 04:56:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2006 04:55:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2006 04:55:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 04:55:40 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Mailstation 350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=_m4cke8YG5yW4i1n9VLP8ucXuy3_1sFphkvrUR_D40Sw5NSTnUq970EChg X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 841 Lines: 40 --- "iwireless2001" wrote: > The 1.37 version is now blank, = and can't get back in the area. A couple/three questions: 1) What is afte= r the V.1.37 on the setup screen??? In particular, is there a "C" afte= r the "XTND:ON" (or "XTND:OFF")???? 2) Did you blank the acct data by test= ing flash, or by erasing flash, or did you do it by interrupting the "re= store factory settings"??? 3) Did you try restoring factory settings to fi= x the blanked data??? > Is there a way to get into it to read one, and the= n re-program the > HEX on the other ??? > > Just need to find a way to un= lock that unit to re-program it ??? Unfortunately, just about everything w= e know about the 350 was in this thread of the last few days. As far as I = know, you are the first to get a 350 into test mode. :-) -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: konablend@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99367 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2006 07:19:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Feb 2006 07:19:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.224) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2006 07:19:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n4.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2006 07:19:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2006 07:19:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2006 07:19:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:19:08 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "konablend" Subject: Re: I have an Idea! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138188748; y=N_989NQjeTmaIvq5lZMPLOnDaWJXxdqgNW7yvM9kJEaogygr X-Yahoo-Profile: konablend Status: RO Content-Length: 4951 Lines: 200 I should have mentioned that I dont have a laplink cable nor do I desire t= o find one unless I really have to. I had already thought about the metho= d you present here and was pretty sure it ould work but I really want to t= ry to do it without hooking my PC up to it. More fun/torture that way. B= esides, I have been trying to learn z80/81 assembler for some weird reason= . --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Cyrano Jones" wrote: > > --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, Gary Clouse > wrote: > > > > The Rabbit cpu used in the mailstations have a > = > hardware flashmemory function that works through the > > parallel port. I= don't know how to access it through > > the printer port, but someone on t= he list probably > > does. > > Why do you think it is a Rabbit cpu??? It= does not even > come close to matching the pinouts of the standard > Rab= bit chips that I am aware of. As far as I know, > it is not a Rabbit part= . > > In my personal opinion, it is a custom ASIC. > > But there is a b= uilt-in reflash function, in *software*. > One of the things that my "mai= lbug" debugger does is > interface with this native reflash capability > = (via parallel port & laplink cable), allowing you to > re-program the mail= stations codeflash. > > So far, the only thing *I* have flashed in any of = my > mailstations is code that lets me boot up the remote > debugger. Bu= t it can be used to flash whatever you want. > Ferinstince, if someone was = inclined to write completely > new firmware, mailbug can flash it into a s= tock mailstation. > Or, if you just want to make some changes to existing= > mailstation firmware, it can reflash with your modified > firmware. > = > I have been working (Ha!) on a new version of the boot code > (code that= boots up the remote debug functions of mailbug) > that can be used without= erasing the existing mailstation > code. (The native reflash erases most= of the codeflash > *before* you get a chance to "back it up".) > > This = new version will (when I get it working) let you load > and execute your ow= n code over the laplink, without killing > the existing mailstation code. = It also will let you save > to disk an intact image of your particular fir= mware version. > > After saving your firmware to a file on PC, you can edi= t it > with whatever tools you like, and then flash your new > version bac= k to your mailstation. > > If you are working with mailstation firmware 2.= 53yr or 2.54, > you can do this now, with the currently posted mailbug 0.0= .3. > There are images of those two firmware versions in the group > dow= nload area. So, for those two, you don't really need to > save your own i= mages. > > One catch, mailbug 0.0.3 will not let you change the first > fo= ur pages of codeflash with the native reflash. If you > load the remote d= ebug boot code, then you can flash anything > anywhere. Mailbug 0.0.4 will= flash the whole codeflash > without needing to load the remote debugger. = > > -- CJ > > > > --- konablend wrote: > > > > > I'm = sure I'm not the first. I have a DET1 Blah blah > > > blah...2.54Y > > > F= irmware. Let me get to the point. I can get into > > > the edit mode of = > > > the hex viewer. As I understand it, what i'm > > > looking at is all= user > > > mem and not ROM. But the ROM is flashable. And > > > there a= re > > > instructions already in place to do it. And you can > > > enter = your own > > > apps by hand in hex and run them in the yahoo! > > > featur= e or wherever. > > > All I want to do in turn XTND off or at least change= > > > the strings to > > > something else the POP3 server wont puke on (-= ERR). > > > 0C1D30 in the rom > > > is what I'm looking to change. 0C1C70= , AND 0C1DB0 as > > > well. 06bab0 has > > > a couple of strings but that= s all they are for what > > > I know. So > > > basically what I want to d= o is change XTND to > > > something that wont > > > return -ERR on most PO= P3 servers, and I want to do > > > it without flashing > > > the ROM exter= nally. I am more than willing to enter > > > hex for a few > > > hours to= make it work. Maybe someone will write an > > > editor for the rom > > >= someday. Any idea's anyone? > > > > > > > > > --Hoping this will get re= ad, ERIC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________= __________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Ma= il has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > = This is a test, and this line starts at left margin. > > This line is= indented 5 spaces. > > < someone suggested that angle brackets mi= ght keep lines > from being "fixed" by the friendly yahoo peop= le.... I wonder > if it will???> > > we now return to our regularly sche= duled program. > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31031 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2006 06:59:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2006 06:59:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2006 06:59:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2006 06:56:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2006 06:56:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:56:41 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: I have an Idea! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=X2BmWFQ6kPhuwELmzmZmoQU-2H41Gn9B1IjbwzlPw0NnZEuM3qVa59EHdw X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 443 Lines: 21 --- "konablend" wrote: > > I should have mentioned that I dont have a lapli= nk cable nor do I > desire to find one unless I really have to. I had alr= eady thought > about the method you present here and was pretty sure it ou= ld work > but I really want to try to do it without hooking my PC up to it= . > More fun/torture that way. Besides, I have been trying to learn > z= 80/81 assembler for some weird reason. z81??? -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38364 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2006 18:37:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2006 18:37:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.224) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2006 18:37:56 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n4.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 18:37:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 18:37:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 18:37:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:37:50 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "iwireless2001" Subject: Re: Mailstation 350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=LejU1kRJQ2ehazg7oDf3Z4MFoL0ml7x4g_Abfnks9nND1HddkOGNnA X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 2261 Lines: 93 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Cyrano Jones" = wrote: > > --- "iwireless2001" wrote: > > > The 1.37 version is= now blank, and can't get back in the area. > > A couple/three questions: = > > 1) What is after the V.1.37 on the setup screen??? In particular, is= > there a "C" after the "XTND:ON" (or "XTND:OFF")???? > > 2) Did you = blank the acct data by testing flash, or by erasing flash, > or did you= do it by interrupting the "restore factory settings"??? > > 3) Did you t= ry restoring factory settings to fix the blanked data??? > > > Is there a = way to get into it to read one, and then re-program the > > HEX on the ot= her ??? > > > > Just need to find a way to unlock that unit to re-program = it ??? > > Unfortunately, just about everything we know about the 350 was = in > this thread of the last few days. As far as I know, you are the > fir= st to get a 350 into test mode. :-) > > -- CJ > 1. It is as you describ= ed it as above. 2. I guess by testing the flash ??? Then I also did a Flas= h Clear. 3. Yes I tried to restore factory settings, there are none !!! I= need to find some way to get into the hex editor and see if I can re-prog= ram it or something ??? When you are is QA mode, there is a spot on the lo= wer left for the serial number and the seller's (Earthlink ??) name. There= are several main screens to do tests on, and all activites of the mailsta= tion are tested. But there is no way so far to do any flash programming o= r hex editing as I have been able to find out so far. The ver. 1.37 goes = right into the QA mode, and the ver. 1.39 comes up with a login box, I tri= ed the number you had given earlier and it came back as wrong isp. I woul= d assume that the number as it is figured out in relationship to the seria= l number might work there, but I haven't tried it as yet.....I didn't want= 2 dead units. I would assume that the units either have another code to d= o the programming or it is done as a plug in on the Parellel connection on= the back of the unit. We have other computer equipment that programs th= at way, so there should be some sort of programmer or software out there t= hat will do that ??? From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ib@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98697 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2006 23:34:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Feb 2006 23:34:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.222) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2006 23:34:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 23:34:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 23:34:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Feb 2006 23:34:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 23:34:14 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "jeeggers" Subject: Re: Mailstation 350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=140574757; y=07KJab1A2ppiezLqZLosFqR3IGzkjBPCOhUtxycibwHXgKk X-Yahoo-Profile: jeeggers Status: RO Content-Length: 2782 Lines: 116 I wonder if QA stands for Quality Assurance and is a code to be used by th= at department? So there would be other codes (like DEV for the developmen= t department ?) If not, who originally figured out the QA scheme ? Also,= in the menu, there's S/A and F/A if I recall correctly... What does that = stand for ? --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "iwireless2001" wrote: > > --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Cyrano Jones" > wrote: > > > > --- "iwireless2001" wrote: > > > >= > The 1.37 version is now blank, and can't get back in the area. > > > > = A couple/three questions: > > > > 1) What is after the V.1.37 on the setup= screen??? In particular, > is > > there a "C" after the "XTND:ON" (= or "XTND:OFF")???? > > > > 2) Did you blank the acct data by testing flash= , or by erasing > flash, > > or did you do it by interrupting the "rest= ore factory > settings"??? > > > > 3) Did you try restoring factory setti= ngs to fix the blanked data??? > > > > > Is there a way to get into it to= read one, and then re-program > the > > > HEX on the other ??? > > > > = > > Just need to find a way to unlock that unit to re-program it ??? > > >= > Unfortunately, just about everything we know about the 350 was in > > th= is thread of the last few days. As far as I know, you are the > > first to= get a 350 into test mode. :-) > > > > -- CJ > > > > 1. It is as you de= scribed it as above. > 2. I guess by testing the flash ??? Then I also did= a Flash Clear. > 3. Yes I tried to restore factory settings, there are no= ne !!! > > I need to find some way to get into the hex editor and see if I= can > re-program it or something ??? > > When you are is QA mode, there = is a spot on the lower left for the > serial number and the seller's (Earth= link ??) name. > > There are several main screens to do tests on, and all = activites of > the mailstation are tested. But there is no way so far to = do any > flash programming or hex editing as I have been able to find out = so > far. The ver. 1.37 goes right into the QA mode, and the ver. 1.39 >= comes up with a login box, I tried the number you had given earlier > and= it came back as wrong isp. I would assume that the number as it > is fi= gured out in relationship to the serial number might work there, > but I = haven't tried it as yet.....I didn't want 2 dead units. > > I would assume= that the units either have another code to do the > programming or it is = done as a plug in on the Parellel connection on > the back of the unit. = We have other computer equipment that programs > that way, so there shoul= d be some sort of programmer or software out > there that will do that ??= ? > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63675 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2006 15:15:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2006 15:15:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (208.186.161.99) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2006 15:15:08 -0000 Received: from computer1 (computer1.handypage5.net [192.168.101.21]) by www.handypage.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/netmax) with SMTP id k1NFEkac013093 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:14:46 -0700 To: Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:14:58 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c6388b$e95577e0$1565a8c0@computer1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "wayne" Reply-To: Subject: RE: [mailstation] Re: Mailstation 350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=xi51PBMrCTzxhmXqNXzoFHSzarSYXB6mKrVFMgZIwxRXpiDDvQd5zw X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 4963 Lines: 151 That's a really good question, I did not see what difference the test menu's did ?? If I get some spare time (yeah right), I will setup something to run some of those tests. The thing somebody needs to do is setup something on a server that is offline that can be setup as the DNS address that the mailstation uses to send to Earthlink, and see what user name and password it uses to access that account. Then a email can be sent back to the mailstation to change the data on the email address and password from the info we already know about what it needs to do that. I believe that it gets a MD5 code related to its serial number (and address) and then is told to change to what ever email address and password that earthlink sets up for a customer account. I have one unit that will send to earthlink, and receive that info, but it will not change to the new account that we setup with them. That is the version 1.39 that I have. The Version 1.37 I have could not be setup with them because the serial number could not be cleared from somebody else's account. Even though they had sold it to me. As far as the Flash programming, we will have to track down exactly what chips are in use in the unit, and computer type, and then see how the CPU bus is setup. A Jig of some sort will have to be made to allow the parallel port on the mailstation to connect to a Parallel port on a computer. Otherwise the TTL voltage from both will burn out each other. There needs to be some sort of OPTO-ISOLATOR chips or something in between. Actually, what we need to find out is WHO made this unit and try to get some documentation on it. Since Earthlink is NO longer selling these units, and will phase them out in the future, you would think that they would be a little more forthcoming with some documentation. If I was them, I would be trying to fix or program as many of these units as I could to get the monthly income. However, there does not seem to be anybody that repairs or re-programs these units ??? Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of jeeggers Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 4:34 PM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: [mailstation] Re: Mailstation 350 I wonder if QA stands for Quality Assurance and is a code to be used by that department? So there would be other codes (like DEV for the development department ?) If not, who originally figured out the QA scheme ? Also, in the menu, there's S/A and F/A if I recall correctly... What does that stand for ? --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "iwireless2001" wrote: > > --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Cyrano Jones" > wrote: > > > > --- "iwireless2001" wrote: > > > > > The 1.37 version is now blank, and can't get back in the area. > > > > A couple/three questions: > > > > 1) What is after the V.1.37 on the setup screen??? In particular, > is > > there a "C" after the "XTND:ON" (or "XTND:OFF")???? > > > > 2) Did you blank the acct data by testing flash, or by erasing > flash, > > or did you do it by interrupting the "restore factory > settings"??? > > > > 3) Did you try restoring factory settings to fix the blanked data??? > > > > > Is there a way to get into it to read one, and then re-program > the > > > HEX on the other ??? > > > > > > Just need to find a way to unlock that unit to re-program it ??? > > > > Unfortunately, just about everything we know about the 350 was in > > this thread of the last few days. As far as I know, you are the > > first to get a 350 into test mode. :-) > > > > -- CJ > > > > 1. It is as you described it as above. > 2. I guess by testing the flash ??? Then I also did a Flash Clear. > 3. Yes I tried to restore factory settings, there are none !!! > > I need to find some way to get into the hex editor and see if I can > re-program it or something ??? > > When you are is QA mode, there is a spot on the lower left for the > serial number and the seller's (Earthlink ??) name. > > There are several main screens to do tests on, and all activites of > the mailstation are tested. But there is no way so far to do any > flash programming or hex editing as I have been able to find out so > far. The ver. 1.37 goes right into the QA mode, and the ver. 1.39 > comes up with a login box, I tried the number you had given earlier > and it came back as wrong isp. I would assume that the number as it > is figured out in relationship to the serial number might work there, > but I haven't tried it as yet.....I didn't want 2 dead units. > > I would assume that the units either have another code to do the > programming or it is done as a plug in on the Parellel connection on > the back of the unit. We have other computer equipment that programs > that way, so there should be some sort of programmer or software out > there that will do that ??? > Yahoo! Groups Links From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... 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Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:23:30 -0800 Message-Id: <1140719010.13280.18.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: RE: [mailstation] Re: Mailstation 350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=pGpvmQPnaHIHyGXrkAC-e5S6qbE0CXaXWs047Nntbp-27kiUNQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 932 Lines: 26 On Thu, 2006-02-23 at 08:14 -0700, wayne wrote: > As far as the Flash programming, we will have to track down exactly > what chips are in use in the unit, and computer type, and then see > how the CPU bus is setup. > > A Jig of some sort will have to be made to allow the parallel port > on the mailstation to connect to a Parallel port on a computer. Otherwise > the TTL voltage from both will burn out each other. There needs to be > some sort of OPTO-ISOLATOR chips or something in between. Always new people here. Welcome! CJ has already worked all this out and there is software in the files section. No special hardware is required, just a standard parallel port "laplink" cable. It is a waste of time to try to develop for the mailstation any other way than using CJs tools that he has worked so hard on. The mailstation is already "cracked" long ago. Now it just needs some new software developed for it. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: govigov@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78124 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2006 20:07:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Feb 2006 20:07:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web8702.mail.in.yahoo.com) (203.84.221.123) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2006 20:07:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 69394 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Feb 2006 20:07:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20060223200717.69392.qmail@...> Received: from [202.177.174.3] by web8702.mail.in.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:07:17 GMT Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:07:17 +0000 (GMT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000101c6388b$e95577e0$1565a8c0@computer1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1325772541-1140725237=:66043" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: govind c Subject: RE: [mailstation] Re: Mailstation 350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=165108056; y=07-q2RM_2nVwLIESGrBqCl6UXnZL7drL68dEi0Dm60db0A X-Yahoo-Profile: govigov Status: RO Content-Length: 13102 Lines: 212 --0-1325772541-1140725237=:66043 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit [quote] Also, in the menu, there's S/A and F/A if I recall correctly... What does that stand for ? [\quote] what menu? and how to get it ? btw the ISP password for the default account is found in such a manner if the serial number is 024189046 , the ISP password is , Ze09814 that is remove the last 2 digits and enter the digts backwards and 02 stands for the year of manufacture.i think you guys already know that.. but i dont know how to get the menu... wayne wrote: That's a really good question, I did not see what difference the test menu's did ?? If I get some spare time (yeah right), I will setup something to run some of those tests. The thing somebody needs to do is setup something on a server that is offline that can be setup as the DNS address that the mailstation uses to send to Earthlink, and see what user name and password it uses to access that account. Then a email can be sent back to the mailstation to change the data on the email address and password from the info we already know about what it needs to do that. I believe that it gets a MD5 code related to its serial number (and address) and then is told to change to what ever email address and password that earthlink sets up for a customer account. I have one unit that will send to earthlink, and receive that info, but it will not change to the new account that we setup with them. That is the version 1.39 that I have. The Version 1.37 I have could not be setup with them because the serial number could not be cleared from somebody else's account. Even though they had sold it to me. As far as the Flash programming, we will have to track down exactly what chips are in use in the unit, and computer type, and then see how the CPU bus is setup. A Jig of some sort will have to be made to allow the parallel port on the mailstation to connect to a Parallel port on a computer. Otherwise the TTL voltage from both will burn out each other. There needs to be some sort of OPTO-ISOLATOR chips or something in between. Actually, what we need to find out is WHO made this unit and try to get some documentation on it. Since Earthlink is NO longer selling these units, and will phase them out in the future, you would think that they would be a little more forthcoming with some documentation. If I was them, I would be trying to fix or program as many of these units as I could to get the monthly income. However, there does not seem to be anybody that repairs or re-programs these units ??? Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of jeeggers Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 4:34 PM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: [mailstation] Re: Mailstation 350 I wonder if QA stands for Quality Assurance and is a code to be used by that department? So there would be other codes (like DEV for the development department ?) If not, who originally figured out the QA scheme ? Also, in the menu, there's S/A and F/A if I recall correctly... What does that stand for ? --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "iwireless2001" wrote: > > --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Cyrano Jones" > wrote: > > > > --- "iwireless2001" wrote: > > > > > The 1.37 version is now blank, and can't get back in the area. > > > > A couple/three questions: > > > > 1) What is after the V.1.37 on the setup screen??? In particular, > is > > there a "C" after the "XTND:ON" (or "XTND:OFF")???? > > > > 2) Did you blank the acct data by testing flash, or by erasing > flash, > > or did you do it by interrupting the "restore factory > settings"??? > > > > 3) Did you try restoring factory settings to fix the blanked data??? > > > > > Is there a way to get into it to read one, and then re-program > the > > > HEX on the other ??? > > > > > > Just need to find a way to unlock that unit to re-program it ??? > > > > Unfortunately, just about everything we know about the 350 was in > > this thread of the last few days. As far as I know, you are the > > first to get a 350 into test mode. :-) > > > > -- CJ > > > > 1. It is as you described it as above. > 2. I guess by testing the flash ??? Then I also did a Flash Clear. > 3. Yes I tried to restore factory settings, there are none !!! > > I need to find some way to get into the hex editor and see if I can > re-program it or something ??? > > When you are is QA mode, there is a spot on the lower left for the > serial number and the seller's (Earthlink ??) name. > > There are several main screens to do tests on, and all activites of > the mailstation are tested. But there is no way so far to do any > flash programming or hex editing as I have been able to find out so > far. The ver. 1.37 goes right into the QA mode, and the ver. 1.39 > comes up with a login box, I tried the number you had given earlier > and it came back as wrong isp. I would assume that the number as it > is figured out in relationship to the serial number might work there, > but I haven't tried it as yet.....I didn't want 2 dead units. > > I would assume that the units either have another code to do the > programming or it is done as a plug in on the Parellel connection on > the back of the unit. We have other computer equipment that programs > that way, so there should be some sort of programmer or software out > there that will do that ??? > Yahoo! Groups Links SPONSORED LINKS Network appliance Software development Stainless steel appliance Appliance attached network storage Home appliances Appliance repair parts --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "mailstation" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: mailstation-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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[quote]
Also, in the menu, there's S/A and F/A if I recall
correctly... What does that stand for ?
[\quote]
 
what menu? and how to get it ?
 
btw the ISP password for the default account is found in such a manner
 
if the serial number is 024189046 , the ISP password is , Ze09814 that is remove the last 2 digits and enter the digts backwards and 02 stands for the year of manufacture.i think you guys already know that.. but i dont know how to get the menu...

wayne wrote:
That's a really good question, I did not see what difference the
test menu's did ??  If I get some spare time (yeah right), I will
setup something to run some of those tests.

The thing somebody needs to do is setup something on a server that is
offline that can be setup as the DNS address that the mailstation uses
to send to Earthlink, and see what user name and password it uses to
access that account.

Then a email can be sent back to the mailstation to change the data
on the email address and password from the info we already know about
what it needs to do that.

I believe that it gets a MD5 code related to its serial number (and address)
and then is told to change to what ever email address and password that
earthlink sets up for a customer account.

I have one unit that will send to earthlink, and receive that info,
but it will not change to the new account that we setup with them.
That is the version 1.39 that I have.  The Version 1.37 I have could not
be setup with them because the serial number could not be cleared from
somebody else's account. Even though they had sold it to me.

As far as the Flash programming, we will have to track down exactly
what chips are in use in the unit, and computer type, and then see
how the CPU bus is setup.

A Jig of some sort will have to be made to allow the parallel port
on the mailstation to connect to a Parallel port on a computer. Otherwise
the TTL voltage from both will burn out each other.  There needs to be
some sort of OPTO-ISOLATOR chips or something in between.

Actually, what we need to find out is WHO made this unit and try to get
some documentation on it.

Since Earthlink is NO longer selling these units, and will phase them out
in the future, you would think that they would be a little more forthcoming
with some documentation.  If I was them, I would be trying to fix or program
as many of these units as I could to get the monthly income.

However, there does not seem to be anybody that repairs or re-programs these
units ???

Wayne





-----Original Message-----
From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of jeeggers
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 4:34 PM
To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [mailstation] Re: Mailstation 350


I wonder if QA stands for Quality Assurance and is a code to be used
by that department?  So there would be other codes (like DEV for the
development department ?)  If not, who originally figured out the QA
scheme ?  Also, in the menu, there's S/A and F/A if I recall
correctly... What does that stand for ?

--- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "iwireless2001"
wrote:
>
> --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Cyrano Jones"
> wrote:
> >
> > ---  "iwireless2001" wrote:
> >
> > > The 1.37 version is now blank, and can't get back in the area.
> >
> > A couple/three questions:
> >
> > 1) What is after the V.1.37 on the setup screen???  In
particular,
> is
> >    there a "C" after the "XTND:ON" (or "XTND:OFF")????
> >
> > 2) Did you blank the acct data by testing flash, or by erasing
> flash,
> >    or did you do it by interrupting the "restore factory
> settings"???
> >
> > 3) Did you try restoring factory settings to fix the blanked
data???
> >
> > > Is there a way to get into it to read one, and then re-program
> the
> > > HEX on the other ???
> > >
> > > Just need to find a way to unlock that unit to re-program it ???
> >
> > Unfortunately, just about everything we know about the 350 was in
> > this thread of the last few days.  As far as I know, you are the
> > first to get a 350 into test mode.  :-)
> >
> > -- CJ
> >
>
> 1.  It is as you described it as above.
> 2. I guess by testing the flash ???  Then I also did a Flash Clear.
> 3.  Yes I tried to restore factory settings, there are none !!!
>
> I need to find some way to get into the hex editor and see if I can
> re-program it or something ???
>
> When you are is QA mode, there is a spot on the lower left for the
> serial number and the seller's (Earthlink ??) name.
>
> There are several main screens to do tests on, and all activites of
> the mailstation are tested.  But there is no way so far to do any
> flash programming or hex editing as I have been able to find out so
> far.  The ver. 1.37 goes right into the QA mode, and the ver. 1.39
> comes up with a login box, I tried the number you had given earlier
> and it came back as wrong isp.  I would assume that the number as
it
> is figured out in relationship to the serial number might work
there,
> but I haven't tried it as yet.....I didn't want 2 dead units.
>
> I would assume that the units either have another code to do the
> programming or it is done as a plug in on the Parellel connection
on
> the back of the unit.  We have other computer equipment that
programs
> that way, so there should be some sort of programmer or software
out
> there that will do that ???
>








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I = was using the QA trick, i.e. hold q and a down during boot, then enter the= qa-password into the text-box that pops up. The qa- password was qa350xxx= x where xxxx is the last 4 digits of the serial number. All of this acord= ing to Cyrano, and it works, but didn't help. I did a flash test and flas= h clear, now I can't use the damn thing because restoring factory settings= doesn't put the defaults in (email address). I suppose the ISP password = would bring up some new options, I've got to try this tonight. --- In ma= ilstation@yahoogroups.com, govind c wrote: > > [quote] > Al= so, in the menu, there's S/A and F/A if I recall > correctly... What does t= hat stand for ? > [\quote] > > what menu? and how to get it ? > >= btw the ISP password for the default account is found in such a manner = > > if the serial number is 024189046 , the ISP password is , Ze0981= 4 that is remove the last 2 digits and enter the digts backwards and 02 s= tands for the year of manufacture.i think you guys already know that.. but= i dont know how to get the menu... > > wayne wrote: > T= hat's a really good question, I did not see what difference the > test menu= 's did ?? If I get some spare time (yeah right), I will > setup something = to run some of those tests. > > The thing somebody needs to do is setup so= mething on a server that is > offline that can be setup as the DNS address= that the mailstation uses > to send to Earthlink, and see what user name = and password it uses to > access that account. > > Then a email can be sen= t back to the mailstation to change the data > on the email address and pas= sword from the info we already know about > what it needs to do that. > >= I believe that it gets a MD5 code related to its serial number (and addre= ss) > and then is told to change to what ever email address and password t= hat > earthlink sets up for a customer account. > > I have one unit that w= ill send to earthlink, and receive that info, > but it will not change to t= he new account that we setup with them. > That is the version 1.39 that I h= ave. The Version 1.37 I have could not > be setup with them because the s= erial number could not be cleared from > somebody else's account. Even tho= ugh they had sold it to me. > > As far as the Flash programming, we will h= ave to track down exactly > what chips are in use in the unit, and computer= type, and then see > how the CPU bus is setup. > > A Jig of some sort wil= l have to be made to allow the parallel port > on the mailstation to connec= t to a Parallel port on a computer. Otherwise > the TTL voltage from both = will burn out each other. There needs to be > some sort of OPTO-ISOLATOR = chips or something in between. > > Actually, what we need to find out is W= HO made this unit and try to get > some documentation on it. > > Since Ea= rthlink is NO longer selling these units, and will phase them out > in the= future, you would think that they would be a little more forthcoming > wi= th some documentation. If I was them, I would be trying to fix or program= > as many of these units as I could to get the monthly income. > > Howeve= r, there does not seem to be anybody that repairs or re- programs these > u= nits ??? > > Wayne > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mai= lstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On > Behalf O= f jeeggers > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 4:34 PM > To: mailstation@y= ahoogroups.com > Subject: [mailstation] Re: Mailstation 350 > > > I wonde= r if QA stands for Quality Assurance and is a code to be used > by that dep= artment? So there would be other codes (like DEV for the > development dep= artment ?) If not, who originally figured out the QA > scheme ? Also, in = the menu, there's S/A and F/A if I recall > correctly... What does that sta= nd for ? > > --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "iwireless2001" = > wrote: > > > > --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Cyrano Jones" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- "iwireless2001" wrote: = > > > > > > > The 1.37 version is now blank, and can't get back in the area= . > > > > > > A couple/three questions: > > > > > > 1) What is after the V.= 1.37 on the setup screen??? In > particular, > > is > > > there a "C" a= fter the "XTND:ON" (or "XTND:OFF")???? > > > > > > 2) Did you blank the acc= t data by testing flash, or by erasing > > flash, > > > or did you do it= by interrupting the "restore factory > > settings"??? > > > > > > 3) Did y= ou try restoring factory settings to fix the blanked > data??? > > > > > > = > Is there a way to get into it to read one, and then re-program > > the > = > > > HEX on the other ??? > > > > > > > > Just need to find a way to unloc= k that unit to re-program it ??? > > > > > > Unfortunately, just about eve= rything we know about the 350 was in > > > this thread of the last few day= s. As far as I know, you are the > > > first to get a 350 into test mode. = :-) > > > > > > -- CJ > > > > > > > 1. It is as you described it as above= . > > 2. I guess by testing the flash ??? Then I also did a Flash Clear. = > > 3. Yes I tried to restore factory settings, there are none !!! > > > >= I need to find some way to get into the hex editor and see if I can > > r= e-program it or something ??? > > > > When you are is QA mode, there is a s= pot on the lower left for the > > serial number and the seller's (Earthlink= ??) name. > > > > There are several main screens to do tests on, and all a= ctivites of > > the mailstation are tested. But there is no way so far to= do any > > flash programming or hex editing as I have been able to find ou= t so > > far. The ver. 1.37 goes right into the QA mode, and the ver. 1.3= 9 > > comes up with a login box, I tried the number you had given earlier = > > and it came back as wrong isp. I would assume that the number as > it = > > is figured out in relationship to the serial number might work > there,= > > but I haven't tried it as yet.....I didn't want 2 dead units. > > > > = I would assume that the units either have another code to do the > > progra= mming or it is done as a plug in on the Parellel connection > on > > the ba= ck of the unit. We have other computer equipment that > programs > > that = way, so there should be some sort of programmer or software > out > > there= that will do that ??? > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > = > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS > Network ap= pliance Software development Stainless steel appliance Appliance a= ttached network storage Home appliances Appliance repair parts > = > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > = Visit your group "mailstation" on the web. > > To unsubscribe f= rom this group, send an email to: > mailstation-unsubscribe@...= m > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of = Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > = > --------------------------------- > Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cric= ket > Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time= . > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ib@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74885 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2006 01:10:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2006 01:10:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2006 01:09:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2006 01:08:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2006 01:08:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 01:08:52 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1140719010.13280.18.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "jeeggers" Subject: Re: Mailstation 350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=140574757; y=wZOD6Vv3N_RIUF_0PB-Q5NRAMZKy05xBsOoDTBan-ZCKB50 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeeggers Status: RO Content-Length: 1440 Lines: 66 If someone has figured out how to set the value for the email address then= I'm not aware of that. Are you saying that his has been done ? I wouldn= 't mind setting up software/laplink cable to program my unit. If there's = a way to do it through the ms itself, then that would be even better, but = I just haven't seen that yet. --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "John = R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-02-23 at 08:14 -0700, w= ayne wrote: > > > As far as the Flash programming, we will have to track d= own exactly > > what chips are in use in the unit, and computer type, and = then see > > how the CPU bus is setup. > > > > A Jig of some sort will hav= e to be made to allow the parallel port > > on the mailstation to connect t= o a Parallel port on a computer. Otherwise > > the TTL voltage from both w= ill burn out each other. There needs to be > > some sort of OPTO-ISOLATOR= chips or something in between. > > Always new people here. Welcome! > > = CJ has already worked all this out and there is software in the files > se= ction. No special hardware is required, just a standard parallel port > "l= aplink" cable. > > It is a waste of time to try to develop for the mailsta= tion any other > way than using CJs tools that he has worked so hard on. >= > The mailstation is already "cracked" long ago. Now it just needs some = > new software developed for it. > > -- John. > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ib@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 40907 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2006 04:42:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2006 04:42:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.231) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2006 04:42:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n8.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2006 04:40:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2006 04:40:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2006 04:40:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 04:40:44 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "jeeggers" Subject: 350 QA Password X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=140574757; y=sdt8hGuJGU35tsFkG39uneoISsXXt6T7XuPIomSiflEO-58 X-Yahoo-Profile: jeeggers Status: RO Content-Length: 205 Lines: 12 If you disconnect power during flash-clear, the serial number and ship- id = get wiped out. Once they're gone, the unit doesn't prompt for a password = after holding down Fnc-q-a during power-up. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71196 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2006 15:15:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2006 15:15:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (208.186.161.99) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2006 15:15:10 -0000 Received: from computer1 (computer1.handypage5.net [192.168.101.21]) by www.handypage.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/netmax) with SMTP id k1OFF5hC021446 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:15:06 -0700 To: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:15:19 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01c63955$208a3650$1565a8c0@computer1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "wayne" Reply-To: Subject: RE: [mailstation] 350 QA Password X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=jZUEK6RKNgPC4ozh549ow9UExZvxywCPYYo0RsC59Aq8YI1irrAYfA X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 526 Lines: 35 What was the Ship ID before it got wiped out ??? Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of jeeggers Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 9:41 PM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: [mailstation] 350 QA Password If you disconnect power during flash-clear, the serial number and ship- id get wiped out. Once they're gone, the unit doesn't prompt for a password after holding down Fnc-q-a during power-up. Yahoo! Groups Links From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18420 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2006 15:56:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2006 15:56:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (208.186.161.99) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2006 15:56:32 -0000 Received: from computer1 (computer1.handypage5.net [192.168.101.21]) by www.handypage.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/netmax) with SMTP id k1OFtkRO025008 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:55:46 -0700 To: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:56:00 -0700 Message-ID: <001501c6395a$cf3402d0$1565a8c0@computer1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 In-Reply-To: <1140719010.13280.18.camel@aragorn> Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "wayne" Reply-To: Subject: RE: [mailstation] Re: Mailstation 350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=VqLWf4cLoCJqoyKo1N9lXrFAl3QixpLlkiNEu1yL_azkfzI0uP-nwg X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 1426 Lines: 57 John, from what I saw in the "files" section was about cracking the 100 and 150 version mailstations. So far I have not seen anything on getting into the 350 units?? That is what I need to do !!! Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of John R. Hogerhuis Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 11:24 AM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [mailstation] Re: Mailstation 350 On Thu, 2006-02-23 at 08:14 -0700, wayne wrote: > As far as the Flash programming, we will have to track down exactly > what chips are in use in the unit, and computer type, and then see > how the CPU bus is setup. > > A Jig of some sort will have to be made to allow the parallel port > on the mailstation to connect to a Parallel port on a computer. Otherwise > the TTL voltage from both will burn out each other. There needs to be > some sort of OPTO-ISOLATOR chips or something in between. Always new people here. Welcome! CJ has already worked all this out and there is software in the files section. No special hardware is required, just a standard parallel port "laplink" cable. It is a waste of time to try to develop for the mailstation any other way than using CJs tools that he has worked so hard on. The mailstation is already "cracked" long ago. Now it just needs some new software developed for it. -- John. Yahoo! Groups Links From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58508 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2006 16:11:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2006 16:11:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (208.186.161.99) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2006 16:11:55 -0000 Received: from computer1 (computer1.handypage5.net [192.168.101.21]) by www.handypage.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/netmax) with SMTP id k1OGBpw2028795 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:11:51 -0700 To: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:12:04 -0700 Message-ID: <001601c6395d$0e17f270$1565a8c0@computer1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C63922.61B91A70" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 In-Reply-To: <20060223200717.69392.qmail@...> Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "wayne" Reply-To: Subject: RE: [mailstation] Re: Mailstation 350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=Vm35P-D86b8jsPy7EAsUuP_hB6jFDVWwUml7OhVdnL1oW5GsdlRErg X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 21219 Lines: 620 ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C63922.61B91A70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit These are mailstation 350's.........version 1.37 seems to come up in the "diagnostic" menu, if you hold down the "Function, Q and A" keys on the keyboard and turn the power on or RESET the unit. Have to hold them down UNTIL the menu comes up !! Version 1.39 comes up with a "Login" box, which requires you to type in "QA ???????" relating to the serial number of the unit. Then you should get the Diagnostic menu. So far, other testing the unit, and clearing the "flash" memory, I can't see what use this menu is to getting things re-programmed. The unit S/N and SHIPID is located in the lower left of the unit. If you test "Flash" or "Clear Flash", then when you re-power it up, all data is cleared from the Setup and Network areas. Problem is that the unit will NOT let you into the "E-mail Address" on the Setup screen. If you hit the "Save" key, then it tells you to enter all data, and if you press OK, then it goes directly to the "Email Address" location, but will NOT allow you to enter anything in it. You are effectively locked out from using the unit from there on. Even resetting the "Factory settings" by the "Function and D" keys gets you nowhere. There is NO factory data in the "Flash" anymore to put back in the unit. The ONLY hope is to either find a way to get into a HEX editor on the unit, or to re-load the info from the Parallel port via another computer. Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of govind c Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:07 PM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [mailstation] Re: Mailstation 350 [quote] Also, in the menu, there's S/A and F/A if I recall correctly... What does that stand for ? [\quote] what menu? and how to get it ? btw the ISP password for the default account is found in such a manner if the serial number is 024189046 , the ISP password is , Ze09814 that is remove the last 2 digits and enter the digts backwards and 02 stands for the year of manufacture.i think you guys already know that.. but i dont know how to get the menu... wayne wrote: That's a really good question, I did not see what difference the test menu's did ?? If I get some spare time (yeah right), I will setup something to run some of those tests. The thing somebody needs to do is setup something on a server that is offline that can be setup as the DNS address that the mailstation uses to send to Earthlink, and see what user name and password it uses to access that account. Then a email can be sent back to the mailstation to change the data on the email address and password from the info we already know about what it needs to do that. I believe that it gets a MD5 code related to its serial number (and address) and then is told to change to what ever email address and password that earthlink sets up for a customer account. I have one unit that will send to earthlink, and receive that info, but it will not change to the new account that we setup with them. That is the version 1.39 that I have. The Version 1.37 I have could not be setup with them because the serial number could not be cleared from somebody else's account. Even though they had sold it to me. As far as the Flash programming, we will have to track down exactly what chips are in use in the unit, and computer type, and then see how the CPU bus is setup. A Jig of some sort will have to be made to allow the parallel port on the mailstation to connect to a Parallel port on a computer. Otherwise the TTL voltage from both will burn out each other. There needs to be some sort of OPTO-ISOLATOR chips or something in between. Actually, what we need to find out is WHO made this unit and try to get some documentation on it. Since Earthlink is NO longer selling these units, and will phase them out in the future, you would think that they would be a little more forthcoming with some documentation. If I was them, I would be trying to fix or program as many of these units as I could to get the monthly income. However, there does not seem to be anybody that repairs or re-programs these units ??? Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of jeeggers Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 4:34 PM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: [mailstation] Re: Mailstation 350 I wonder if QA stands for Quality Assurance and is a code to be used by that department? So there would be other codes (like DEV for the development department ?) If not, who originally figured out the QA scheme ? Also, in the menu, there's S/A and F/A if I recall correctly... What does that stand for ? --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "iwireless2001" wrote: > > --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Cyrano Jones" > wrote: > > > > --- "iwireless2001" wrote: > > > > > The 1.37 version is now blank, and can't get back in the area. > > > > A couple/three questions: > > > > 1) What is after the V.1.37 on the setup screen??? In particular, > is > > there a "C" after the "XTND:ON" (or "XTND:OFF")???? > > > > 2) Did you blank the acct data by testing flash, or by erasing > flash, > > or did you do it by interrupting the "restore factory > settings"??? > > > > 3) Did you try restoring factory settings to fix the blanked data??? > > > > > Is there a way to get into it to read one, and then re-program > the > > > HEX on the other ??? > > > > > > Just need to find a way to unlock that unit to re-program it ??? > > > > Unfortunately, just about everything we know about the 350 was in > > this thread of the last few days. As far as I know, you are the > > first to get a 350 into test mode. :-) > > > > -- CJ > > > > 1. It is as you described it as above. > 2. I guess by testing the flash ??? Then I also did a Flash Clear. > 3. Yes I tried to restore factory settings, there are none !!! > > I need to find some way to get into the hex editor and see if I can > re-program it or something ??? > > When you are is QA mode, there is a spot on the lower left for the > serial number and the seller's (Earthlink ??) name. > > There are several main screens to do tests on, and all activites of > the mailstation are tested. But there is no way so far to do any > flash programming or hex editing as I have been able to find out so > far. The ver. 1.37 goes right into the QA mode, and the ver. 1.39 > comes up with a login box, I tried the number you had given earlier > and it came back as wrong isp. I would assume that the number as it > is figured out in relationship to the serial number might work there, > but I haven't tried it as yet.....I didn't want 2 dead units. > > I would assume that the units either have another code to do the > programming or it is done as a plug in on the Parellel connection on > the back of the unit. We have other computer equipment that programs > that way, so there should be some sort of programmer or software out > there that will do that ??? > Yahoo! Groups Links ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. SPONSORED LINKS Network appliance Software development Stainless steel appliance Appliance attached network storage Home appliances Appliance repair parts ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "mailstation" on the web. b.. 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These are mailstation 350's.........version 1.37 seems to come = up in the "diagnostic" menu, if you
hold dow= n the "Function, Q and A" keys on the keyboard and turn the power on or RES= ET the unit.
 
<= SPAN class=3D842465615-24022006>Have to hold them down UNTIL the menu comes up !!
 
Version 1.39 comes up with a "Login= " box, which requires you to type in "QA ???????" relating to the
serial number of the unit.  Then you should get t= he Diagnostic menu.
 
=
So far, other testing the unit, and clearing the "flash" memory, I= can't see what use this menu is to
getting = things re-programmed.
 
The unit S/N and SHIPID is located in the lower left of the unit= .
 
If you t= est "Flash" or "Clear Flash", then when you re-power it up, all data is cle= ared from the
<= FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Setup and Network areas.  = Problem is that the unit will NOT let you into the "E-mail Address" on the=
Setup screen.  If you hit the "Save" key= , then it tells you to enter all data, and if you press OK,<= /DIV>
then it goes directly to the "Email Address" location, but wi= ll NOT allow you to enter anything in it.
 
You are effectively locked out from using th= e unit from there on.
 
Even resetting the "Factory settings" by the "Function and D" ke= ys gets you nowhere. There is NO
factory data = in the "Flash" anymore to put back in the unit.
<= SPAN class=3D842465615-24022006> 
The ONLY hope is to either find a way = to get into a HEX editor on the unit, or to re-load the info=
from the Parallel port via another computer.
 
Wayne
<= DIV> 
 
----= -Original Message-----
From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mail= to:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of govind c
Sent:<= /B> Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:07 PM
To: mailstation@yahoog= roups.com
Subject: RE: [mailstation] Re: Mailstation 350
[quote]
Also, in the menu, there's S/A and F/A if I = recall
correctly... What does that stand for ?
[\quote]
 
what menu? and how to get it ?
&n= bsp;
btw the ISP password for the default account is found in = such a manner
 
if the serial number is = 024189046 , the ISP password is , Ze09814 that is remove the last 2 digi= ts and enter the digts backwards and 02 stands for the year of manufactu= re.i think you guys already know that.. but i dont know how to get the m= enu...

wayne w= rote:
That's a really goo= d question, I did not see what difference the
test menu's did ??&nb= sp; If I get some spare time (yeah right), I will
setup something to = run some of those tests.

The thing somebody needs to do is setup = something on a server that is
offline that can be setup as the DNS = address that the mailstation uses
to send to Earthlink, and see what= user name and password it uses to
access that account.

Then= a email can be sent back to the mailstation to change the data
on = the email address and password from the info we already know about
= what it needs to do that.

I believe that it gets a MD5 code rel= ated to its serial number (and address)
and then is told to change = to what ever email address and password that
earthlink sets up for = a customer account.

I have one unit that will send to earthlink= , and receive that info,
but it will not change to the new account = that we setup with them.
That is the version 1.39 that I have. = ; The Version 1.37 I have could not
be setup with them because the = serial number could not be cleared from
somebody else's account. Ev= en though they had sold it to me.

As far as the Flash programmi= ng, we will have to track down exactly
what chips are in use in the= unit, and computer type, and then see
how the CPU bus is setup.
A Jig of some sort will have to be made to allow the parallel por= t
on the mailstation to connect to a Parallel port on a computer. O= therwise
the TTL voltage from both will burn out each other.  There= needs to be
some sort of OPTO-ISOLATOR chips or something in = between.

Actually, what we need to find out is WHO made this unit an= d try to get
some documentation on it.

Since Earthlink is NO= longer selling these units, and will phase them out
in the future,= you would think that they would be a little more forthcoming
with = some documentation.  If I was them, I would be trying to fix or = program
as many of these units as I could to get the monthly in= come.

However, there does not seem to be anybody that repairs or = re-programs these
units ???

Wayne





-= ----Original Message-----
From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto= :mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of jeeggers
Sent: Wednesd= ay, February 22, 2006 4:34 PM
To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
Su= bject: [mailstation] Re: Mailstation 350


I wonder if QA sta= nds for Quality Assurance and is a code to be used
by that departme= nt?  So there would be other codes (like DEV for the
developme= nt department ?)  If not, who originally figured out the QA
sc= heme ?  Also, in the menu, there's S/A and F/A if I recall
cor= rectly... What does that stand for ?

--- In mailstation@yahoogr= oups.com, "iwireless2001"
wrote:
>
>= --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Cyrano Jones"
> wrote:
> >
> > ---  "iwire= less2001" wrote:
> >
> > > The 1.= 37 version is now blank, and can't get back in the area.
> ><= BR>> > A couple/three questions:
> >
> > 1) Wh= at is after the V.1.37 on the setup screen???  In
particular,<= BR>> is
> >    there a "C" after the "XTND:= ON" (or "XTND:OFF")????
> >
> > 2) Did you blank the= acct data by testing flash, or by erasing
> flash,
> >=     or did you do it by interrupting the "restore facto= ry
> settings"???
> >
> > 3) Did you try resto= ring factory settings to fix the blanked
data???
> >
&g= t; > > Is there a way to get into it to read one, and then re-pr= ogram
> the
> > > HEX on the other ???
> > = >
> > > Just need to find a way to unlock that unit to = re-program it ???
> >
> > Unfortunately, just about = everything we know about the 350 was in
> > this thread of the las= t few days.  As far as I know, you are the
> > first to = get a 350 into test mode.  :-)
> >
> > -- CJ> >
>
> 1.  It is as you described it as above= .
> 2. I guess by testing the flash ???  Then I also did a = Flash Clear.
> 3.  Yes I tried to restore factory settings,= there are none !!!
>
> I need to find some way to get int= o the hex editor and see if I can
> re-program it or something ?= ??
>
> When you are is QA mode, there is a spot on the low= er left for the
> serial number and the seller's (Earthlink ??) = name.
>
> There are several main screens to do tests on, a= nd all activites of
> the mailstation are tested.  But ther= e is no way so far to do any
> flash programming or hex editing = as I have been able to find out so
> far.  The ver. 1.37 go= es right into the QA mode, and the ver. 1.39
> comes up with a l= ogin box, I tried the number you had given earlier
> and it came= back as wrong isp.  I would assume that the number as
it
&= gt; is figured out in relationship to the serial number might work
= there,
> but I haven't tried it as yet.....I didn't want 2 dead = units.
>
> I would assume that the units either have anoth= er code to do the
> programming or it is done as a plug in on the = Parellel connection
on
> the back of the unit.  We have oth= er computer equipment that
programs
> that way, so there shou= ld be some sort of programmer or software
out
> there that wi= ll do that ???
>








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X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90089 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2006 19:00:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Feb 2006 19:00:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web8702.mail.in.yahoo.com) (203.84.221.123) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2006 19:00:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 39040 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Feb 2006 19:00:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20060224190002.39034.qmail@...> Received: from [202.177.174.3] by web8702.mail.in.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:00:02 GMT Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:00:02 +0000 (GMT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001601c6395d$0e17f270$1565a8c0@computer1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-610914572-1140807602=:38542" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: govind c Subject: RE: [mailstation] Re: Mailstation 350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=165108056; y=36SSnCzC-NQFtZKJfc4f5aZZ7JlaK2sYYJYsmGgTEjnrrg X-Yahoo-Profile: govigov Status: RO Content-Length: 20954 Lines: 265 --0-610914572-1140807602=:38542 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thank you, Wayne. I dont want to try that in that case. If the Unit is cleared out what use is it going to be? can we put the settings back in anyother way if we can get the thing to dial out? I can provide you with a copy of the configration mail. If that is helpful to you or CJ. Can you pls let me know how to do the diagnostic test on the screen? Function + F5, right? wayne wrote: These are mailstation 350's.........version 1.37 seems to come up in the "diagnostic" menu, if you hold down the "Function, Q and A" keys on the keyboard and turn the power on or RESET the unit. Have to hold them down UNTIL the menu comes up !! Version 1.39 comes up with a "Login" box, which requires you to type in "QA ???????" relating to the serial number of the unit. Then you should get the Diagnostic menu. So far, other testing the unit, and clearing the "flash" memory, I can't see what use this menu is to getting things re-programmed. The unit S/N and SHIPID is located in the lower left of the unit. If you test "Flash" or "Clear Flash", then when you re-power it up, all data is cleared from the Setup and Network areas. Problem is that the unit will NOT let you into the "E-mail Address" on the Setup screen. If you hit the "Save" key, then it tells you to enter all data, and if you press OK, then it goes directly to the "Email Address" location, but will NOT allow you to enter anything in it. You are effectively locked out from using the unit from there on. Even resetting the "Factory settings" by the "Function and D" keys gets you nowhere. There is NO factory data in the "Flash" anymore to put back in the unit. The ONLY hope is to either find a way to get into a HEX editor on the unit, or to re-load the info from the Parallel port via another computer. Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of govind c Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:07 PM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [mailstation] Re: Mailstation 350 [quote] Also, in the menu, there's S/A and F/A if I recall correctly... What does that stand for ? [\quote] what menu? and how to get it ? btw the ISP password for the default account is found in such a manner if the serial number is 024189046 , the ISP password is , Ze09814 that is remove the last 2 digits and enter the digts backwards and 02 stands for the year of manufacture.i think you guys already know that.. but i dont know how to get the menu... wayne wrote: That's a really good question, I did not see what difference the test menu's did ?? If I get some spare time (yeah right), I will setup something to run some of those tests. The thing somebody needs to do is setup something on a server that is offline that can be setup as the DNS address that the mailstation uses to send to Earthlink, and see what user name and password it uses to access that account. Then a email can be sent back to the mailstation to change the data on the email address and password from the info we already know about what it needs to do that. I believe that it gets a MD5 code related to its serial number (and address) and then is told to change to what ever email address and password that earthlink sets up for a customer account. I have one unit that will send to earthlink, and receive that info, but it will not change to the new account that we setup with them. That is the version 1.39 that I have. The Version 1.37 I have could not be setup with them because the serial number could not be cleared from somebody else's account. Even though they had sold it to me. As far as the Flash programming, we will have to track down exactly what chips are in use in the unit, and computer type, and then see how the CPU bus is setup. A Jig of some sort will have to be made to allow the parallel port on the mailstation to connect to a Parallel port on a computer. Otherwise the TTL voltage from both will burn out each other. There needs to be some sort of OPTO-ISOLATOR chips or something in between. Actually, what we need to find out is WHO made this unit and try to get some documentation on it. Since Earthlink is NO longer selling these units, and will phase them out in the future, you would think that they would be a little more forthcoming with some documentation. If I was them, I would be trying to fix or program as many of these units as I could to get the monthly income. However, there does not seem to be anybody that repairs or re-programs these units ??? Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of jeeggers Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 4:34 PM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: [mailstation] Re: Mailstation 350 I wonder if QA stands for Quality Assurance and is a code to be used by that department? So there would be other codes (like DEV for the development department ?) If not, who originally figured out the QA scheme ? Also, in the menu, there's S/A and F/A if I recall correctly... What does that stand for ? --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "iwireless2001" wrote: > > --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Cyrano Jones" > wrote: > > > > --- "iwireless2001" wrote: > > > > > The 1.37 version is now blank, and can't get back in the area. > > > > A couple/three questions: > > > > 1) What is after the V.1.37 on the setup screen??? In particular, > is > > there a "C" after the "XTND:ON" (or "XTND:OFF")???? > > > > 2) Did you blank the acct data by testing flash, or by erasing > flash, > > or did you do it by interrupting the "restore factory > settings"??? > > > > 3) Did you try restoring factory settings to fix the blanked data??? > > > > > Is there a way to get into it to read one, and then re-program > the > > > HEX on the other ??? > > > > > > Just need to find a way to unlock that unit to re-program it ??? > > > > Unfortunately, just about everything we know about the 350 was in > > this thread of the last few days. As far as I know, you are the > > first to get a 350 into test mode. :-) > > > > -- CJ > > > > 1. It is as you described it as above. > 2. I guess by testing the flash ??? Then I also did a Flash Clear. > 3. Yes I tried to restore factory settings, there are none !!! > > I need to find some way to get into the hex editor and see if I can > re-program it or something ??? > > When you are is QA mode, there is a spot on the lower left for the > serial number and the seller's (Earthlink ??) name. > > There are several main screens to do tests on, and all activites of > the mailstation are tested. But there is no way so far to do any > flash programming or hex editing as I have been able to find out so > far. The ver. 1.37 goes right into the QA mode, and the ver. 1.39 > comes up with a login box, I tried the number you had given earlier > and it came back as wrong isp. I would assume that the number as it > is figured out in relationship to the serial number might work there, > but I haven't tried it as yet.....I didn't want 2 dead units. > > I would assume that the units either have another code to do the > programming or it is done as a plug in on the Parellel connection on > the back of the unit. We have other computer equipment that programs > that way, so there should be some sort of programmer or software out > there that will do that ??? > Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. SPONSORED LINKS Network appliance Software development Stainless steel appliance Appliance attached network storage Home appliances Appliance repair parts --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "mailstation" on the web. 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Thank you, Wayne.
 
I dont want to try that in that case. If the Unit is cleared out what use is it going to be? can we put the settings back in anyother way if we can get the thing to dial out? I can provide you with a copy of the configration mail. If that is helpful to you or CJ.
 
Can you pls let me know how to do the diagnostic test on the screen? Function + F5, right?

wayne wrote:
These are mailstation 350's.........version 1.37 seems to come up in the "diagnostic" menu, if you
hold down the "Function, Q and A" keys on the keyboard and turn the power on or RESET the unit.
 
Have to hold them down UNTIL the menu comes up !!
 
Version 1.39 comes up with a "Login" box, which requires you to type in "QA ???????" relating to the
serial number of the unit.  Then you should get the Diagnostic menu.
 
So far, other testing the unit, and clearing the "flash" memory, I can't see what use this menu is to
getting things re-programmed.
 
The unit S/N and SHIPID is located in the lower left of the unit.
 
If you test "Flash" or "Clear Flash", then when you re-power it up, all data is cleared from the
Setup and Network areas.  Problem is that the unit will NOT let you into the "E-mail Address" on the
Setup screen.  If you hit the "Save" key, then it tells you to enter all data, and if you press OK,
then it goes directly to the "Email Address" location, but will NOT allow you to enter anything in it.
 
You are effectively locked out from using the unit from there on.
 
Even resetting the "Factory settings" by the "Function and D" keys gets you nowhere. There is NO
factory data in the "Flash" anymore to put back in the unit.
 
The ONLY hope is to either find a way to get into a HEX editor on the unit, or to re-load the info
from the Parallel port via another computer.
 
Wayne
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of govind c
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:07 PM
To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [mailstation] Re: Mailstation 350

[quote]
Also, in the menu, there's S/A and F/A if I recall
correctly... What does that stand for ?
[\quote]
 
what menu? and how to get it ?
 
btw the ISP password for the default account is found in such a manner
 
if the serial number is 024189046 , the ISP password is , Ze09814 that is remove the last 2 digits and enter the digts backwards and 02 stands for the year of manufacture.i think you guys already know that.. but i dont know how to get the menu...

wayne wrote:
That's a really good question, I did not see what difference the
test menu's did ??  If I get some spare time (yeah right), I will
setup something to run some of those tests.

The thing somebody needs to do is setup something on a server that is
offline that can be setup as the DNS address that the mailstation uses
to send to Earthlink, and see what user name and password it uses to
access that account.

Then a email can be sent back to the mailstation to change the data
on the email address and password from the info we already know about
what it needs to do that.

I believe that it gets a MD5 code related to its serial number (and address)
and then is told to change to what ever email address and password that
earthlink sets up for a customer account.

I have one unit that will send to earthlink, and receive that info,
but it will not change to the new account that we setup with them.
That is the version 1.39 that I have.  The Version 1.37 I have could not
be setup with them because the serial number could not be cleared from
somebody else's account. Even though they had sold it to me.

As far as the Flash programming, we will have to track down exactly
what chips are in use in the unit, and computer type, and then see
how the CPU bus is setup.

A Jig of some sort will have to be made to allow the parallel port
on the mailstation to connect to a Parallel port on a computer. Otherwise
the TTL voltage from both will burn out each other.  There needs to be
some sort of OPTO-ISOLATOR chips or something in between.

Actually, what we need to find out is WHO made this unit and try to get
some documentation on it.

Since Earthlink is NO longer selling these units, and will phase them out
in the future, you would think that they would be a little more forthcoming
with some documentation.  If I was them, I would be trying to fix or program
as many of these units as I could to get the monthly income.

However, there does not seem to be anybody that repairs or re-programs these
units ???

Wayne





-----Original Message-----
From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of jeeggers
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 4:34 PM
To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [mailstation] Re: Mailstation 350


I wonder if QA stands for Quality Assurance and is a code to be used
by that department?  So there would be other codes (like DEV for the
development department ?)  If not, who originally figured out the QA
scheme ?  Also, in the menu, there's S/A and F/A if I recall
correctly... What does that stand for ?

--- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "iwireless2001"
wrote:
>
> --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Cyrano Jones"
> wrote:
> >
> > ---  "iwireless2001" wrote:
> >
> > > The 1.37 version is now blank, and can't get back in the area.
> >
> > A couple/three questions:
> >
> > 1) What is after the V.1.37 on the setup screen???  In
particular,
> is
> >    there a "C" after the "XTND:ON" (or "XTND:OFF")????
> >
> > 2) Did you blank the acct data by testing flash, or by erasing
> flash,
> >    or did you do it by interrupting the "restore factory
> settings"???
> >
> > 3) Did you try restoring factory settings to fix the blanked
data???
> >
> > > Is there a way to get into it to read one, and then re-program
> the
> > > HEX on the other ???
> > >
> > > Just need to find a way to unlock that unit to re-program it ???
> >
> > Unfortunately, just about everything we know about the 350 was in
> > this thread of the last few days.  As far as I know, you are the
> > first to get a 350 into test mode.  :-)
> >
> > -- CJ
> >
>
> 1.  It is as you described it as above.
> 2. I guess by testing the flash ???  Then I also did a Flash Clear.
> 3.  Yes I tried to restore factory settings, there are none !!!
>
> I need to find some way to get into the hex editor and see if I can
> re-program it or something ???
>
> When you are is QA mode, there is a spot on the lower left for the
> serial number and the seller's (Earthlink ??) name.
>
> There are several main screens to do tests on, and all activites of
> the mailstation are tested.  But there is no way so far to do any
> flash programming or hex editing as I have been able to find out so
> far.  The ver. 1.37 goes right into the QA mode, and the ver. 1.39
> comes up with a login box, I tried the number you had given earlier
> and it came back as wrong isp.  I would assume that the number as
it
> is figured out in relationship to the serial number might work
there,
> but I haven't tried it as yet.....I didn't want 2 dead units.
>
> I would assume that the units either have another code to do the
> programming or it is done as a plug in on the Parellel connection
on
> the back of the unit.  We have other computer equipment that
programs
> that way, so there should be some sort of programmer or software
out
> there that will do that ???
>








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I wonder if it relates = the the first part of the serial number, or the other number that's on the= back of the unit. --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "wayne" wrote: > > What was the Ship ID before it got wiped out ??? > > Wayne > = > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [m= ailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On > Behalf Of jeeggers > Sent: Thursday,= February 23, 2006 9:41 PM > To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [ma= ilstation] 350 QA Password > > > If you disconnect power during flash-cle= ar, the serial number and ship- > id get wiped out. Once they're gone, th= e unit doesn't prompt for a > password after holding down Fnc-q-a during p= ower-up. > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ib@... 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2006 22:59:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2006 22:59:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:59:11 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001601c6395d$0e17f270$1565a8c0@computer1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "jeeggers" Subject: Re: Mailstation 350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=140574757; y=uknULM_LFH1eCj2CGRTMeLqjVQJvAAD9F62lt2jWpFPCdqQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jeeggers Status: RO Content-Length: 9725 Lines: 457 According to CJ's documentation (and I may be incorrect), a boot- loader is= invoked by the MS that looks for something on the printer port. Presumab= ly with the right s/w on the PC, it should be possible to re-load the flas= h with what was there before. In other words, someone would need to back-= up their flash from the MS into a file, then we could try and load that fi= le back into the MS, making it useful again. That's all assuming that CJ'= s software/hardware works on the 350. --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com= , "wayne" wrote: > > These are mailstation 350's.........versi= on 1.37 seems to come up in the > "diagnostic" menu, if you > hold down th= e "Function, Q and A" keys on the keyboard and turn the power on > or RESE= T the unit. > > Have to hold them down UNTIL the menu comes up !! > > Ver= sion 1.39 comes up with a "Login" box, which requires you to type in "QA >= ???????" relating to the > serial number of the unit. Then you should get= the Diagnostic menu. > > So far, other testing the unit, and clearing the= "flash" memory, I can't see > what use this menu is to > getting things r= e-programmed. > > The unit S/N and SHIPID is located in the lower left of = the unit. > > If you test "Flash" or "Clear Flash", then when you re-power= it up, all data > is cleared from the > Setup and Network areas. Problem= is that the unit will NOT let you into the > "E-mail Address" on the > Se= tup screen. If you hit the "Save" key, then it tells you to enter all > d= ata, and if you press OK, > then it goes directly to the "Email Address" lo= cation, but will NOT allow > you to enter anything in it. > > You are eff= ectively locked out from using the unit from there on. > > Even resetting = the "Factory settings" by the "Function and D" keys gets you > nowhere. Th= ere is NO > factory data in the "Flash" anymore to put back in the unit. > = > The ONLY hope is to either find a way to get into a HEX editor on the u= nit, > or to re-load the info > from the Parallel port via another computer= . > > Wayne > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mailstation@yah= oogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On > Behalf Of govind c >= Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:07 PM > To: mailstation@yahoogroup= s.com > Subject: RE: [mailstation] Re: Mailstation 350 > > > [quote] = > Also, in the menu, there's S/A and F/A if I recall > correctly... Wha= t does that stand for ? > [\quote] > > what menu? and how to get it ? = > > btw the ISP password for the default account is found in such a man= ner > > if the serial number is 024189046 , the ISP password is , Ze0981= 4 that is > remove the last 2 digits and enter the digts backwards and 02 = stands for the > year of manufacture.i think you guys already know that.. = but i dont know how > to get the menu... > > wayne wrote: = > That's a really good question, I did not see what difference the > = test menu's did ?? If I get some spare time (yeah right), I will > = setup something to run some of those tests. > > The thing somebody nee= ds to do is setup something on a server that is > offline that can be = setup as the DNS address that the mailstation uses > to send to Earthl= ink, and see what user name and password it uses to > access that acco= unt. > > Then a email can be sent back to the mailstation to change th= e data > on the email address and password from the info we already kn= ow about > what it needs to do that. > > I believe that it gets a= MD5 code related to its serial number (and > address) > and then is t= old to change to what ever email address and password that > earthlink= sets up for a customer account. > > I have one unit that will send to= earthlink, and receive that info, > but it will not change to the new= account that we setup with them. > That is the version 1.39 that I ha= ve. The Version 1.37 I have could not > be setup with them because th= e serial number could not be cleared from > somebody else's account. E= ven though they had sold it to me. > > As far as the Flash programming= , we will have to track down exactly > what chips are in use in the un= it, and computer type, and then see > how the CPU bus is setup. > > = A Jig of some sort will have to be made to allow the parallel port > = on the mailstation to connect to a Parallel port on a computer. > Otherwi= se > the TTL voltage from both will burn out each other. There needs = to be > some sort of OPTO-ISOLATOR chips or something in between. > > = Actually, what we need to find out is WHO made this unit and try to ge= t > some documentation on it. > > Since Earthlink is NO longer sel= ling these units, and will phase them > out > in the future, you would= think that they would be a little more > forthcoming > with some docum= entation. If I was them, I would be trying to fix or > program > as m= any of these units as I could to get the monthly income. > > However, = there does not seem to be anybody that repairs or re- programs > these > = units ??? > > Wayne > > > > > > -----Original Message----- = > From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@...= m]On > Behalf Of jeeggers > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 4:34= PM > To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [mailstation] Re: = Mailstation 350 > > > I wonder if QA stands for Quality Assurance and= is a code to be used > by that department? So there would be other c= odes (like DEV for the > development department ?) If not, who origin= ally figured out the QA > scheme ? Also, in the menu, there's S/A and= F/A if I recall > correctly... What does that stand for ? > > ---= In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "iwireless2001" > wrote: > = > > > --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Cyrano Jones" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- "iwireless2001" = wrote: > > > > > > > The 1.37 version is now blank, and can't get b= ack in the area. > > > > > > A couple/three questions: > > > >= > > 1) What is after the V.1.37 on the setup screen??? In > parti= cular, > > is > > > there a "C" after the "XTND:ON" (or "XTND:OF= F")???? > > > > > > 2) Did you blank the acct data by testing flash= , or by erasing > > flash, > > > or did you do it by interrupti= ng the "restore factory > > settings"??? > > > > > > 3) Did you= try restoring factory settings to fix the blanked > data??? > > > = > > > > Is there a way to get into it to read one, and then re- program= > > the > > > > HEX on the other ??? > > > > > > > > Just = need to find a way to unlock that unit to re-program it ??? > > > > = > > Unfortunately, just about everything we know about the 350 was in > = > > this thread of the last few days. As far as I know, you are the >= > > first to get a 350 into test mode. :-) > > > > > > -- CJ = > > > > > > > 1. It is as you described it as above. > > 2= . I guess by testing the flash ??? Then I also did a Flash Clear. > >= 3. Yes I tried to restore factory settings, there are none !!! > > >= > I need to find some way to get into the hex editor and see if I can= > > re-program it or something ??? > > > > When you are is QA = mode, there is a spot on the lower left for the > > serial number and = the seller's (Earthlink ??) name. > > > > There are several main sc= reens to do tests on, and all activites of > > the mailstation are tes= ted. But there is no way so far to do any > > flash programming or he= x editing as I have been able to find out so > > far. The ver. 1.37 g= oes right into the QA mode, and the ver. 1.39 > > comes up with a logi= n box, I tried the number you had given earlier > > and it came back a= s wrong isp. I would assume that the number as > it > > is figure= d out in relationship to the serial number might work > there, > > = but I haven't tried it as yet.....I didn't want 2 dead units. > > > = > I would assume that the units either have another code to do the > = > programming or it is done as a plug in on the Parellel connection > = on > > the back of the unit. We have other computer equipment that > = programs > > that way, so there should be some sort of programmer or= software > out > > there that will do that ??? > > > > > >= > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > = > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------= ----- -------- > -- > Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket > Yahoo! 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X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98199 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2006 12:55:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Feb 2006 12:55:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28b.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2006 12:55:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n28.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2006 07:02:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2006 12:54:34 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:54:33 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Mailstation 350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=nvAkGp-YvMYDBQQwUxAG0iznkJZI9OW4wtSH4dtD3KCHZF2jd2WI-KSHUA X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1283 Lines: 56 --- "jeeggers" wrote: > > According to CJ's documentation (and I m= ay be incorrect), a boot- > loader is invoked by the MS that looks for some= thing on the printer > port. Presumably with the right s/w on the PC, it = should be > possible > to re-load the flash with what was there before. = In other words, > someone would need to back-up their flash from the MS in= to a file, > then we could try and load that file back into the MS, making= it > useful again. That's all assuming that CJ's software/hardware works= > on the 350. What is this documentation you refer to? ....Oh. That doc= umentatation. I just took a look, and I see it does not mention the fact= that mailbug does *not* work with the 350. I need to fix that! That'= s a pretty big oversight. I guess I was just taking for granted that anybo= dy who actually read the doc had been reading the group messages. http:= //groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/message/306 http://groups.yahoo.com/g= roup/mailstation/message/245 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/mes= sage/205 At the time when I wrote that manual, I thought everybody was awa= re that the 350 was a different animal than all the others. But I will defi= nately add that to the manual. My bad. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76507 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2006 04:47:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2006 04:47:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.3) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2006 04:47:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 7104 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2006 04:44:54 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) (jhoger@[64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 26 Feb 2006 04:44:54 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001501c6395a$cf3402d0$1565a8c0@computer1> References: <001501c6395a$cf3402d0$1565a8c0@computer1> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:45:04 -0800 Message-Id: <1140929104.1853.11.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: RE: [mailstation] Re: Mailstation 350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=jspMwIqycMfBH1LkzOYbQjFD8MX_3H2WISFEaTaify3rCbRTeg X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 401 Lines: 18 On Fri, 2006-02-24 at 08:56 -0700, wayne wrote: > John, > from what I saw in the "files" section was about cracking the > 100 and 150 version mailstations. So far I have not seen anything > on getting into the 350 units?? That is what I need to do !!! > > Wayne > > Yep I was wrong, sorry! Didn't catch the 350 part of the story. That said, how different is the 350 supposed to be? -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n25.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2006 22:03:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2006 22:03:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:03:29 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1140929104.1853.11.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Mailstation 350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=Ut3BxAXlz2l-cWgoRhOVEYqkVj25Nybj3BcXUTnE303NwS9vkTvN-9bdRg X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 609 Lines: 33 --- "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > That said, how different is = the 350 supposed to be? The most significant differences I can see are the= CPU is different, the display has 16 gray-levels, and it does not respond= to the same update protocol that the earlier models use. Also, it uses= SDRAM (I think it is 2MByte), and it has 4 MByte of flash. There are two= identical flash chips, each 2 MB. I added a link to a data sheet for = the Toshiba TMP91C820AF to the group's links section. I don't have any pl= ans at the present to pursue this, but you never know... -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: benjaminmaggi@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79319 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2006 22:12:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2006 22:12:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2006 22:12:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2006 22:11:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2006 22:11:53 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 22:11:52 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "benjaminmaggi" Subject: Where to start ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=165407863; y=1p7OuVcFT8H9-2O9DDeEjnHX8WF57H3dnHMW535N7rqXPIGtsYv63g X-Yahoo-Profile: benjaminmaggi Status: RO Content-Length: 294 Lines: 12 I've brought MailStation model DET1 with the hope to start puting my own pr= ograms in it, but i dont know where to start, what cable conections i need = to transfer the programs and data, how to show hidden menues, or what progr= ams do i need to send and compile my programs for the mcu. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58296 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2006 11:30:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2006 11:30:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2006 11:30:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2006 11:29:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2006 11:29:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 11:29:30 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Where to start ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=SyUResXQiIInyGNVgvBd4_ZN2G4EbzTdY4v0CJQYiVb_lVyfy_wXG1vsvw X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1219 Lines: 57 --- "benjaminmaggi" wrote: > I've brought MailStation = model DET1 with the hope to start puting my > own programs in it, but i don= t know where to start, Mailbug is a program I wrote that will let you loa= d & run your own code, in either the mailstation flash or ram. http://grou= ps.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/files/Mailbug/mailbug_0.0.3/ > what cable c= onections i need to transfer the programs and data, A parallel-laplink ca= ble. > how to show hidden menues, On the older DET1 models, you power up= while holding down until you see the test mode menu. You don'= t need this menu to install and use mailbug version 0.0.3. Installing sb= oot.rom (required with mailbug 0.0.3) will wipe out most of the original f= irmware in your mailstation. If you would like to keep your original firmwa= re intact, you might want to wait for version 0.0.4 (hopefully ready in jus= t a few more days). > or what programs do i need to send and compile my > = programs for the mcu. There is no compiler yet. Can you program in z80 as= sembler? A free cross-assembler (as80) is in the file area, under mailbu= g directory. There is also a "hello world" example. --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75036 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2006 17:33:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2006 17:33:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.6) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2006 17:33:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 4153 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2006 17:33:03 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) (jhoger@[64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 12 Mar 2006 17:33:03 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 09:33:04 -0800 Message-Id: <1142184784.10568.267.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Where to start ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=ZyOulVx6n4zhDiPXCCL9oJ6laqkk_REDWyduZoLAXfsbm1NqXA X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 1113 Lines: 29 On Sun, 2006-03-12 at 11:29 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > --- "benjaminmaggi" wrote: > > > I've brought MailStation model DET1 with the hope to start puting my > > own programs in it, but i dont know where to start, > There is no compiler yet. Can you program in z80 assembler? > > A free cross-assembler (as80) is in the file area, under mailbug > directory. There is also a "hello world" example. Well there are lots of C and Pascal compilers for Z80. Most of them need to run under a CP/M emulator and target a CP/M environment, but whether generated code is dependent on the environment is usually a function of the nature of the code itself, not the compiler. There's also sdcc which comes with full source code. http://sdcc.sourceforge.net/ To my knowledge no one has used these with Mailstation yet. If you want to generate short swaths of code I think you wouldn't have to do anything special. If you want to use the standard library they provide, you'll need to modify them so that they use the built in I/O routines or you need to write your own i/o routines. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ppc7447@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99935 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2006 18:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2006 18:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net) (207.69.195.71) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2006 18:52:25 -0000 Received: from user-1120207.dsl.mindspring.com ([66.32.8.7] helo=[10.0.1.3]) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FIVfv-0000Ly-00 for mailstation@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:52:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <1142173142.144.46309.m16@yahoogroups.com> References: <1142173142.144.46309.m16@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <449ee0571e0fb3acca479b5b70a4c87f@...> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:52:20 -0500 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: R. Tomsick Subject: Re: [mailstation] Digest Number 171 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=232398749; y=LrcbUXkpEo8PoM_MNkrPzrrVPSQyTlGamH7V9C6Uz4gcLw X-Yahoo-Profile: ppc7447 Status: RO Content-Length: 2983 Lines: 114 http://sdcc.sourceforge.net/ This compiler targets the Z80. Although I have not used it for the Mailstation, I imagine that it will generate compatible machine code. -R On Mar 12, 2006, at 9:19 AM, mailstation@yahoogroups.com wrote: > There are 2 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Where to start ? > From: "benjaminmaggi" > 2. Re: Where to start ? > From: "Cyrano Jones" > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 22:11:52 -0000 > From: "benjaminmaggi" > Subject: Where to start ? > > I've brought MailStation model DET1 with the hope to start puting my > own programs in it, but i dont know where to start, what cable > conections i need to transfer the programs and data, how to show > hidden menues, or what programs do i need to send and compile my > programs for the mcu. > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 11:29:30 -0000 > From: "Cyrano Jones" > Subject: Re: Where to start ? > > --- "benjaminmaggi" wrote: > >> I've brought MailStation model DET1 with the hope to start puting my >> own programs in it, but i dont know where to start, > > Mailbug is a program I wrote that will let you load & run > your own code, in either the mailstation flash or ram. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/files/Mailbug/mailbug_0.0.3/ > >> what cable conections i need to transfer the programs and data, > > A parallel-laplink cable. > >> how to show hidden menues, > > On the older DET1 models, you power up while holding > down until you see the test mode menu. > > You don't need this menu to install and use mailbug > version 0.0.3. > > Installing sboot.rom (required with mailbug 0.0.3) will > wipe out most of the original firmware in your mailstation. > If you would like to keep your original firmware intact, > you might want to wait for version 0.0.4 (hopefully > ready in just a few more days). > >> or what programs do i need to send and compile my >> programs for the mcu. > > There is no compiler yet. Can you program in z80 assembler? > > A free cross-assembler (as80) is in the file area, under mailbug > directory. There is also a "hello world" example. > > --CJ > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > _______________________________________________________________________ > _ > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: benjaminmaggi@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38450 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2006 18:53:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Mar 2006 18:53:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.90) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2006 18:53:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n31.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2006 18:53:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Mar 2006 18:52:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:52:58 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "benjaminmaggi" Subject: Re: Where to start ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=165407863; y=Bx_uFOkv8NKkc0TXEcoLhu9QxFus6Ht1glcCJy181vmHiyNKF0pmtQ X-Yahoo-Profile: benjaminmaggi Status: RO Content-Length: 1675 Lines: 75 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Cyrano Jones" w= rote: > > --- "benjaminmaggi" wrote: > > > I've brought M= ailStation model DET1 with the hope to start puting my > > own programs in = it, but i dont know where to start, > > Mailbug is a program I wrote that= will let you load & run > your own code, in either the mailstation flash o= r ram. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/files/Mailbug/mailbug= _0.0.3/ > > > what cable conections i need to transfer the programs and da= ta, > > A parallel-laplink cable. > > > how to show hidden menues, > >= On the older DET1 models, you power up while holding > down un= til you see the test mode menu. > > You don't need this menu to install an= d use mailbug > version 0.0.3. > > Installing sboot.rom (required with m= ailbug 0.0.3) will > wipe out most of the original firmware in your mailst= ation. > If you would like to keep your original firmware intact, > you mig= ht want to wait for version 0.0.4 (hopefully > ready in just a few more day= s). > > > or what programs do i need to send and compile my > > programs f= or the mcu. > > There is no compiler yet. Can you program in z80 assemble= r? > > A free cross-assembler (as80) is in the file area, under mailbug = > directory. There is also a "hello world" example. > > --CJ > Thanks != I've used parallax 8051 assembler to make my pic programs in the past so = im going to see if AS80 works for me, im not shure about the C or pascal co= mpilers. So i hook up my laplink cable, then load mbug (in msdos) and then = i power on my DTE1, im i right thats the procedure ? From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: topdriver_porsche@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94144 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2006 05:42:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2006 05:42:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2006 05:42:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2006 05:42:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Mar 2006 05:42:23 -0000 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 05:42:22 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Cristian" Subject: fixed server X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=177726159; y=zaWkJItqYX8fRwzIe5kFM_hAu8k_YU9gu9qBRgWty2MFId-QcSRamusuKDY X-Yahoo-Profile: topdriver_porsche Status: RO Content-Length: 745 Lines: 32 Hello, before nothing I want to congratulate by its effort all you to them = who you have worked with its MailStations, also I apologize by the spelling= then I do not speak english. For weeks has been rescuing of the cellar of= a friend a MS Cidco model DET1 version v2.5YR that says fortified with Yah= oo, this in very good conditions but it is not possible to be used here in = M=E9xico the this fixed Server's POP3 SMTP, my questions are: can be unblo= cked these fields with the help of a computer software MBUG and the cable l= aplink? It is happened to me to use it as reader of ebooks is form to shar= e archives of .txt or email with the cable laplink? There is documentation= of the programs translated the Spanish? Bye. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61786 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2006 07:29:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Mar 2006 07:29:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.224) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2006 07:29:06 -0000 Received: from NewBaby ([209.121.230.219]) by priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with SMTP id <20060317072835.GWGI24776.priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net@NewBaby> for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 00:28:35 -0700 Message-ID: <1ccd01c64994$667ddd70$dbe679d1@NewBaby> To: References: Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:18:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] fixed server X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100; y=gOTYwriMr8HHhxVkAo0IjIRB20pDxZ-bCEpzx35EbuqvX-0lgg X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 1228 Lines: 55 These are usually the easiest ones to alter to a new ISP. Have you looked at the files on the group home page? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/files Look at Cracking. FN+Shift+T or FN+Shift+Size should get you into the menu. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cristian" Hello, before nothing I want to congratulate by its effort all you to them who you have worked with its MailStations, also I apologize by the spelling then I do not speak english. For weeks has been rescuing of the cellar of a friend a MS Cidco model DET1 version v2.5YR that says fortified with Yahoo, this in very good conditions but it is not possible to be used here in M�xico the this fixed Server's POP3 SMTP, my questions are: can be unblocked these fields with the help of a computer software MBUG and the cable laplink? It is happened to me to use it as reader of ebooks is form to share archives of .txt or email with the cable laplink? There is documentation of the programs translated the Spanish? Bye. Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.4/283 - Release Date: 16/03/2006 From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: topdriver_porsche@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32626 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2006 16:11:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2006 16:11:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.231) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2006 16:11:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n8.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2006 16:09:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2006 16:09:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2006 16:09:46 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 16:09:45 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1ccd01c64994$667ddd70$dbe679d1@NewBaby> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Cristian" Subject: Re: fixed server X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=177726159; y=blnVzLXq642NuibHq78uJgkgdsB_6XlUnB3REIsoM0jjehE3Il7ZxbASAd4 X-Yahoo-Profile: topdriver_porsche Status: RO Content-Length: 298 Lines: 13 Not if I occurred to understand. When I create a new user all the fields = are in target except which they say POP3 and SMPT Server. I can enter the= menu with the FN+Shift+T keys, later RESTORE DEFAULT ACCOUNT and the fiel= ds of POP3 and SMPT Server follow fixed there, do not erase. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: topdriver_porsche@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50547 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2006 17:07:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2006 17:07:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.88) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2006 17:07:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2006 17:07:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2006 17:07:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 17:07:07 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Cristian" Subject: Virtual Server X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=177726159; y=k7CnHNdLY5U-UaXC6gm8it2us7rd5mL3MdQV1Fy5oXDMifYKz0S5INGlLSM X-Yahoo-Profile: topdriver_porsche Status: RO Content-Length: 191 Lines: 9 It will be possible to do this using the telephone line? To create a virt= ual server in my PC and to deceive mailstation making him think that mail.= mymailstation.com is the server From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56075 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2006 17:38:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2006 17:38:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edmwes25.telusplanet.net) (204.209.205.55) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2006 17:38:19 -0000 Received: from NewBaby ([209.121.230.219]) by priv-edmwes25.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with SMTP id <20060318173743.DSBD16465.priv-edmwes25.telusplanet.net@NewBaby> for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 10:37:43 -0700 Message-ID: <014101c64ab2$a946a050$dbe679d1@NewBaby> To: References: Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 09:32:41 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Virtual Server X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100; y=KBOGpQuVORJwLhoOQap-5vR3iez_HF4J8SOSDlVygkGcngZ3Ng X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 415 Lines: 14 I wonder if or when Earthlink will abandon this URL? Might be worth grabbing if it becomes available. Should be able to renew it for $8 per year. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cristian" > It will be possible to do this using the telephone line? To create a > virtual server in my PC and to deceive mailstation making him think > that mail.mymailstation.com is the server From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27768 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2006 18:14:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2006 18:14:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edmwes25.telusplanet.net) (204.209.205.55) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2006 18:14:19 -0000 Received: from NewBaby ([209.121.230.219]) by priv-edmwes25.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with SMTP id <20060318181418.DUVY16465.priv-edmwes25.telusplanet.net@NewBaby> for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2006 11:14:18 -0700 Message-ID: <019801c64ab7$c5b0d990$dbe679d1@NewBaby> To: References: <014101c64ab2$a946a050$dbe679d1@NewBaby> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 10:08:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Virtual Server X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100; y=RTFLc_O-opIYtRQejSe9LLOMFS2CvVjUZ0BXc0oWxgSWFKR2xA X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 543 Lines: 22 Itchy and Scratchy? Someone watches The Simpsons! Domain Name.......... mymailstation.com Creation Date........ 1999-03-24 Registration Date.... 2003-04-16 Expiry Date.......... 2007-03-24 Organisation Name.... Earthlink, Inc. Organisation Address. 1375 Peachtree St. Organisation Address. Level A Organisation Address. Atlanta Organisation Address. 30309 Organisation Address. GA Organisation Address. UNITED STATES Name Server.......... itchy.earthlink.net Name Server.......... scratchy.earthlink.net Registry Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: topdriver_porsche@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9937 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2006 16:05:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Mar 2006 16:05:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.226) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2006 16:05:15 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n6.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2006 16:05:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2006 16:05:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Mar 2006 16:05:14 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 16:05:12 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1ccd01c64994$667ddd70$dbe679d1@NewBaby> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Cristian" Subject: Re: fixed server X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=177726159; y=zjEPb-JNAHcaPG-1UGCHmnvnjnD6flaCfoVzRuLYxFUuwTXgoR8CD7N5CHg X-Yahoo-Profile: topdriver_porsche Status: RO Content-Length: 293 Lines: 16 Not if I occurred to understand. When I create a new user all the fields a= re in target except which they say POP3 and SMPT Server. I can enter the me= nu with the FN+Shift+T keys, later RESTORE DEFAULT ACCOUNT and the fields o= f POP3 and SMPT Server follow fixed there, do not erase. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1650 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2006 01:23:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2006 01:23:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2006 01:23:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2006 01:23:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2006 01:23:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 01:23:58 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Firmware version numbers [was: fixed server] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=kLDOT4YD0wvSAjSa2xjKxjHIxyYzZF28RV7mz1EtX3Co8gG1f_bmfjXNpA X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1610 Lines: 73 --- "Cristian" wrote: > Not if I occurred to unde= rstand. > When I create a new user all the fields are in target > except wh= ich they say POP3 and SMPT Server. > I can enter the menu with the FN+Shift= +T keys, > later RESTORE DEFAULT ACCOUNT and > the fields of POP3 and SMPT = Server follow fixed there, > do not erase. I have models with firmware ver= sions 2.22R, 2.52R and 2.53YR, and they do *not* allow you to set the pop3 = or the smtp server fields (even with the sh-fn-T flash test method). I als= o have models with higher firmware versions, such as 2.54Y, 2.55Y, 3.03a, 4= .03M, 4.04B, 4.04E, 4.05D, and 4.05E, and I am pretty sure that all of thos= e can be set to any server, using the various methods listed elsewhere. My= guess is that the "R" means that the server is "restricted", (or some othe= r word that starts with R and means similar thing). :-) Since i'm on subje= ct of firmware version numbers, it doesen't seem to big a stretch that the= "Y" stands for the "Yahoo" tie in. Making some wilder guesses, the 4.04M = is a Mivo 200. 3.03a is the revised 3.03, with "new color" (ivory as oppose= d to brown). 4.04B might be a revision of the 4.04 (if there even is a 4.= 04 or 4.04A), or else it might just mean "blue case". Wilder still guesse= s, perhaps the "D" and "E" stand for domestic and export?????????? If anyo= ne has any firmware versions that are not in the table in the database area= of group, feel free to add yours! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstati= on/database?method=3DreportRows&t bl=3D1&sortBy=3D2 -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14518 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2006 01:41:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2006 01:41:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.203.233) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2006 01:41:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n10.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2006 01:41:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2006 01:41:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2006 01:41:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 01:41:26 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Firmware version numbers [was: fixed server] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=DrJkhvxVGgK1QXJl6ooGUuk78jFCqAmnbh6TDLing97fKzj0PfoexLqeoQ X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 654 Lines: 33 > If anyone has any firmware versions that are not in the table > in the da= tabase area of group, feel free to add yours! > > http://groups.yahoo.com= /group/mailstation/database?method=3DreportRows&t bl=3D1&sortBy=3D2 > Wel= l, that didn't work too good. It was supposed to be a link to the table, t= hat was sorted on the firmware version field. If you manage to find it any= way, and you sort on that field, it will put them in roughly chronological = order. Except for the 1.xx versions (250 & 350) which I think came out som= ewhere between the 2.xx and 4.xx. I don't have any idea why they are not i= n sequence with others. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: topdriver_porsche@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62796 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2006 07:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2006 07:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.86) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2006 07:06:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2006 07:06:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2006 07:06:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 07:06:12 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0:0 From: "Cristian" Subject: flashing the ROM X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=177726159; y=8NuqbQaU3pfe_gpflUrRmepU43lr0WI1mytSjjwgkKBmM7KjOut01NWLNyk X-Yahoo-Profile: topdriver_porsche Status: RO Content-Length: 83 Lines: 7 there is some form to update the ROM? for example of version 2.5YR to 2.54Y= From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: albert@... 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X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Anthony Albert" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Virtual Server X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169489703; y=xbTneZ98rs-EW-GACyNnX5iKxYhg_LgcVDNTMG2YMvV2TrO3DnSed0vy X-Yahoo-Profile: falbertforester Status: RO Content-Length: 1459 Lines: 37 On 18 Mar 2006 at 17:07, Cristian wrote: >It will be possible to do this using the telephone line? To create a >virtual server in my PC and to deceive mailstation making him think >that mail.mymailstation.com is the server It is possible to do this... however, it's not easy. The components are: - PC with modem and phone line - Software for dial-in TCP/IP access, so the PC can accept the call from the Mailstation - DHCP service on the PC, to give out IP address to Mailstation - DNS on PC, to respond to the Mailstation's request for name resolution of "mail.mymailstation.com" - SMTP on PC, to accept mail - POP3 on PC, to hand mail to mailstation - remailler software on PC, to send/receive email with the rest of the Internet, and also to re-write the headers so that the mail can come and go. This would be, in my opinion, easiest to set up with Linux, but it should be possible to do it with Windows. I seem to recall, in the early days of the group, a report of someone actually doing this, but efforts since have been focused on finding ways to change the settings in the Mailstation, or to re-program the Mailstation. Anthony Albert =========================================================== Anthony J. Albert albert@... Systems and Software Support Specialist Postmaster Computer Services - University of Maine, Presque Isle "This is only temporary, unless it works." --- Red Green From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: niklaus37217@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1290 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2006 19:54:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2006 19:54:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web38113.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.124.140) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2006 19:54:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 95735 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Mar 2006 19:54:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20060320195455.95733.qmail@...> Received: from [170.143.252.32] by web38113.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:54:55 PST Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:54:55 -0800 (PST) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <441E6902.14947.D9B27ED@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Gary Clouse Subject: Re: [mailstation] Virtual Server X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=154404643; y=SpqFQLdR1EgQVzfow2Hc6gJlYLPrhE5BmJzMPJqeWtNS9quxQII4 X-Yahoo-Profile: niklaus37217 Status: RO Content-Length: 2026 Lines: 71 With Windows 2000 an newer you should everthing except the mail server and forwarder by configuring incoming connections. I have been trying to do something similar on linux, but I am having trouble to get "bind" (the linux dns service) configured like I want. --- Anthony Albert wrote: > On 18 Mar 2006 at 17:07, Cristian wrote: > > >It will be possible to do this using the telephone > line? To create a > >virtual server in my PC and to deceive mailstation > making him think > >that mail.mymailstation.com is the server > > It is possible to do this... however, it's not easy. > The components > are: > > - PC with modem and phone line > - Software for dial-in TCP/IP access, so the PC can > accept the call > from the Mailstation > - DHCP service on the PC, to give out IP address to > Mailstation > - DNS on PC, to respond to the Mailstation's > request for name > resolution of "mail.mymailstation.com" > - SMTP on PC, to accept mail > - POP3 on PC, to hand mail to mailstation > - remailler software on PC, to send/receive email > with the rest of the > Internet, and also to re-write the headers so that > the mail can come > and go. > > This would be, in my opinion, easiest to set up with > Linux, but it > should be possible to do it with Windows. I seem > to recall, in the > early days of the group, a report of someone > actually doing this, but > efforts since have been focused on finding ways to > change the settings > in the Mailstation, or to re-program the > Mailstation. > > Anthony Albert > =========================================================== > Anthony J. Albert > albert@... > Systems and Software Support Specialist > Postmaster > Computer Services - University of Maine, Presque > Isle > "This is only temporary, unless it works." > --- Red Green > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... 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Subject: Re: [mailstation] Virtual Server X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=SGD1eoXG5_ZIUqBLptxTP2dVt6suZCZ5yTQNir7nq6cqEHFb0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 351 Lines: 13 ------=_Part_16607_18599979.1142886660576 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline [ Attachment content not displayed ] ------=_Part_16607_18599979.1142886660576 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline [ Attachment content not displayed ] ------=_Part_16607_18599979.1142886660576-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: topdriver_porsche@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54033 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2006 05:12:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2006 05:12:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2006 05:12:04 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2006 05:12:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2006 05:12:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 05:12:00 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060320195455.95733.qmail@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Cristian" Subject: Re: Virtual Server X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=177726159; y=zd5GwB917OiuhLH8Ji4CXMrceFu29tXV2atDwqu5l_2wRoteDJQkGgF8DgY X-Yahoo-Profile: topdriver_porsche Status: RO Content-Length: 504 Lines: 23 I made the question after reading these messages in the forum http://www.l= inux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl? Action=3DShowPost&Board= =3Dmswhatever&Post=3D10&Idle=3D0&Sort=3D0&Order=3DDescend&Pa ge=3D0&Session= =3D http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl? Action= =3DShowPost&Board=3Dmswhatever&Post=3D102&Idle=3D0&Sort=3D0&Order=3DDescend= &P age=3D0&Session=3D To more than I arrive in Linux went to install Suse = 9 and Knopix What version of Linux use? From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: albert@... 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X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Anthony Albert" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Virtual Server X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169489703; y=B7k58XGN-hsh_ub1MJSPjRplKpL7RlTVFSqEX12Xi7s7zuhldMwPFq8S X-Yahoo-Profile: falbertforester Status: RO Content-Length: 1067 Lines: 30 On 22 Mar 2006 at 5:12, Cristian wrote: >I made the question after reading these messages in the forum > >http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl? >Action=ShowPost&Board=mswhatever&Post=10&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Pa >ge=0&Session= > >http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl? >Action=ShowPost&Board=mswhatever&Post=102&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&P >age=0&Session= > >To more than I arrive in Linux went to install Suse 9 and Knopix >What version of Linux use? Any version of Linux would work, I believe. The trick that is noted in the posts on linux-hacker.net is to point towards your own DNS server software, which can hand out IP addresses for the POP3 and SMTP server names, which point to your own server. Anthony Albert =========================================================== Anthony J. Albert albert@... Systems and Software Support Specialist Postmaster Computer Services - University of Maine, Presque Isle "This is only temporary, unless it works." --- Red Green From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: niklaus37217@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18729 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2006 20:01:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Mar 2006 20:01:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web38104.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.124.131) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Mar 2006 20:01:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 62026 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Mar 2006 20:01:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20060323200112.62024.qmail@...> Received: from [170.143.252.32] by web38104.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:01:12 PST Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:01:12 -0800 (PST) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4420FD39.15352.3C77D3F@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Gary Clouse Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Virtual Server X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=154404643; y=u_GrX_7D2lB2vzlLYOFZQAOWeQWhskOJ0yZaJSVAfTnMSiKwD4vE X-Yahoo-Profile: niklaus37217 Status: RO Content-Length: 1616 Lines: 59 I am trying to do that now with a Compaq Clipper and Debian Linux. You need a dhcp server to assign an IP, a ppp server to make the connection and bind (dns server) to fool the Clipper into thinking it's on the internet. So far I have got the bind configuration just right. --- Anthony Albert wrote: > On 22 Mar 2006 at 5:12, Cristian wrote: > > >I made the question after reading these messages in > the forum > > > >http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl? > >Action=ShowPost&Board=mswhatever&Post=10&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Pa > >ge=0&Session= > > > >http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl? > >Action=ShowPost&Board=mswhatever&Post=102&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&P > >age=0&Session= > > > >To more than I arrive in Linux went to install Suse > 9 and Knopix > >What version of Linux use? > > Any version of Linux would work, I believe. The > trick that is noted in > the posts on linux-hacker.net is to point towards > your own DNS server > software, which can hand out IP addresses for the > POP3 and SMTP server > names, which point to your own server. > > Anthony Albert > =========================================================== > Anthony J. Albert > albert@... > Systems and Software Support Specialist > Postmaster > Computer Services - University of Maine, Presque > Isle > "This is only temporary, unless it works." > --- Red Green > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: topdriver_porsche@... 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n9.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2006 16:59:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2006 16:59:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2006 16:59:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 16:59:35 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060323200112.62024.qmail@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Cristian" Subject: Re: Virtual Server X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=177726159; y=03TrL_AWldgH07DlA2V1G4F_DkWWmnVobB0rTdE7zVIwg9SP4FcCyJzq9ik X-Yahoo-Profile: topdriver_porsche Status: RO Content-Length: 995 Lines: 42 In these pages and the forum I found examples of those who have tried to m= ount their home server with linux, but I do not understand it, if somebody= could make a tutorial step by step. For example that distribution, that = packages and that configuration is special is used. To connect to the ser= ver without a telephone line: http://www.hotspot.freeserve.co.uk/HOTSPOT/T= LS/tlsframe.htm?lsdiag Server: http://www.newsforge.com/print.pl?sid=3D02= /02/05/171219 http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.p= l? Action=3DShowPost&Board=3Dmswhatever&Post=3D102&Idle=3D0&Sort=3D0&Order= =3DDescend &Page=3D0&Session=3D http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/Ultr= aBoard/UltraBoard.pl? Action=3DShowPost&Board=3Dmswhatever&Post=3D59&Idle= =3D0&Sort=3D2&Order=3DDescend& Page=3D0&Session=3D http://www.linux-hacke= r.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl? Action=3DShowPost&Board=3Dmswhateve= r&Post=3D10&Idle=3D0&Sort=3D0&Order=3DDescend& Page=3D0&Session=3D From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94374 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2006 01:50:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2006 01:50:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (208.186.161.99) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2006 01:50:16 -0000 Received: from www.handypage.net (localhost.handypage.net [127.0.0.1]) by www.handypage.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/netmax) with SMTP id k2T1oCoM021920 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 18:50:12 -0700 Received: from computer1.handypage5.net ([192.168.101.21]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user waynem) by www.handypage.net with HTTP; Tue, 28 Mar 2006 18:50:12 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3153.192.168.101.21.1143597012.squirrel@...> In-Reply-To: References: <20060323200112.62024.qmail@...> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 18:50:12 -0700 (MST) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "wayne markis" Reply-To: waynem@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Virtual Server X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=X0IOL9jOQhsdwKCABv_hDel8sPk5_7dhAUEYgWMnkrDx-Z2zH9O4Pw X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 1283 Lines: 51 You have to load on the Apache Linux Server software onto that computer. You are looking at around $ 500. if you buy it, or get it "Free" on the Internet, but then YOU have to load and configure it yourself !!! The Apache server has the mail server in it. www.apache.org Wayne > In these pages and the forum I found examples of those who have > tried to mount their home server with linux, but I do not understand > it, if somebody could make a tutorial step by step. For example > that distribution, that packages and that configuration is special > is used. > > To connect to the server without a telephone line: > http://www.hotspot.freeserve.co.uk/HOTSPOT/TLS/tlsframe.htm?lsdiag > > Server: > http://www.newsforge.com/print.pl?sid=02/02/05/171219 > > http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl? > Action=ShowPost&Board=mswhatever&Post=102&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend > &Page=0&Session= > > > http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl? > Action=ShowPost&Board=mswhatever&Post=59&Idle=0&Sort=2&Order=Descend& > Page=0&Session= > > http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl? > Action=ShowPost&Board=mswhatever&Post=10&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend& > Page=0&Session= > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: niklaus37217@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89848 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2006 15:30:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2006 15:30:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web38101.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.124.128) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2006 15:30:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 20200 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Mar 2006 15:29:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20060331152954.20198.qmail@...> Received: from [170.143.252.32] by web38101.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 31 Mar 2006 07:29:49 PST Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 07:29:49 -0800 (PST) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <3153.192.168.101.21.1143597012.squirrel@...> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Gary Clouse Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Virtual Server X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=154404643; y=_NEGY9QJbQAUm3jssCmIKIuYhrwD7jtZsL-Ml25CWNT1HhZRx-gf X-Yahoo-Profile: niklaus37217 Status: RO Content-Length: 1984 Lines: 94 you will also need to install bind9 (the dns server), dhcpd and ppp. Configuring these on linux is a lot esier if you install Webmin. PPP makes the connection. dhcp assigns an IP sddress bind9 is the Domain Name Service Webmin is a web based system configuration utility. The idea is to configure Bind9 as a master server and map you mailservice name to you server ip. --- wayne markis wrote: > You have to load on the Apache Linux Server software > onto that computer. > You are looking at around $ 500. if you buy it, or > get it "Free" on the > Internet, but then YOU have to load and configure it > yourself !!! > > The Apache server has the mail server in it. > www.apache.org > > Wayne > > > > > In these pages and the forum I found examples of > those who have > > tried to mount their home server with linux, but I > do not understand > > it, if somebody could make a tutorial step by > step. For example > > that distribution, that packages and that > configuration is special > > is used. > > > > To connect to the server without a telephone line: > > > http://www.hotspot.freeserve.co.uk/HOTSPOT/TLS/tlsframe.htm?lsdiag > > > > Server: > > > http://www.newsforge.com/print.pl?sid=02/02/05/171219 > > > > > http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl? > > > Action=ShowPost&Board=mswhatever&Post=102&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend > > &Page=0&Session= > > > > > > > http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl? > > > Action=ShowPost&Board=mswhatever&Post=59&Idle=0&Sort=2&Order=Descend& > > Page=0&Session= > > > > > http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl? > > > Action=ShowPost&Board=mswhatever&Post=10&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend& > > Page=0&Session= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11648 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2006 16:33:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2006 16:33:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.154) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2006 16:33:14 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n11.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2006 16:33:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2006 16:33:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2006 16:33:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 16:33:09 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "iwireless2001" Subject: mailstation 350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=_OosEbnqlw-pwtBVN3jl0J9st_CHsDJykcNvzPC5I7f1zVxaQAYvjA X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 703 Lines: 31 I just finally was able to get Earthlink to make a 350 unit switch to an em= ail account on their system. Seems that the 350 units do NOT use the same = setup process message that all the other units do. After several attempts = by the 3rd world techs there to get this unit to turn on, they called in a= real technician somewhere back here in the states, and He sent the correc= t data stream to the device, and then it was working in a few minutes. I = find that quite interesting !!!! I still have one 350 unit which we wiped = out all the memory on, and I can't seem to figure out how to program it bac= k up again. If anybody has gotten anywhere on this model, give a shout bac= k !! From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1787 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2006 18:25:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2006 18:25:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes44.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.240) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2006 18:25:15 -0000 Received: from priv-edtnaa06.telusplanet.net ([209.121.230.219]) by priv-edtnes44.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with ESMTP id <20060418182423.CKVS8637.priv-edtnes44.telusplanet.net@...> for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:24:23 -0600 Received: from NewBaby (d209-121-230-219.bchsia.telus.net [209.121.230.219]) by priv-edtnaa06.telusplanet.net (BorderWare MXtreme Infinity Mail Firewall) with SMTP id 6E0BGXHUFJ for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 12:24:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <1e1b01c66315$51008750$dbe679d1@NewBaby> To: References: Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 11:16:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] mailstation 350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100; y=nhiv62LMvbFyWl4rWosiY1Bb9oJs6LzKJKQBDkOI_hmL9n76Fw X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 864 Lines: 29 I wish we knew what that data stream was. Did they need to know the model etc.? Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "iwireless2001" > I just finally was able to get Earthlink to make a 350 unit > switch to an email account on their system. > > Seems that the 350 units do NOT use the same setup process > message that all the other units do. > > After several attempts by the 3rd world techs there to get this unit to > turn on, they called in a real technician somewhere back here in the > states, and He sent the correct data stream to the device, and then it > was working in a few minutes. > > I find that quite interesting !!!! > > I still have one 350 unit which we wiped out all the memory on, > and I can't seem to figure out how to program it back up again. > > If anybody has gotten anywhere on this model, give a shout back !! From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58319 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2006 21:30:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2006 21:30:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (208.186.161.99) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2006 21:30:25 -0000 Received: from computer1 (computer1.handypage5.net [192.168.101.21]) by www.handypage.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/netmax) with SMTP id k3ILUU3Q026026 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:30:30 -0700 To: Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:31:57 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c6632f$86097fa0$1565a8c0@computer1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 In-Reply-To: <1e1b01c66315$51008750$dbe679d1@NewBaby> X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "wayne" Reply-To: Subject: RE: [mailstation] mailstation 350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=XVCZ9HtUEamyP1ZlkR0INIuXAKGiA02dJNOH0Fa0SSdhi22dOYUhPw X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 1564 Lines: 61 They needed to know the model number and the serial number. The first 2 times the tech in India tried it and it would not switch over, so I called irate, and then they said that they would have to get ahold of a "real" technician, and it was suddenly working within the hour. So I would assume that whatever the standard data stream that they send the mailstations, the 350 takes something different in or on it ?? Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil Morrison Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:16 AM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mailstation] mailstation 350 I wish we knew what that data stream was. Did they need to know the model etc.? Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "iwireless2001" > I just finally was able to get Earthlink to make a 350 unit > switch to an email account on their system. > > Seems that the 350 units do NOT use the same setup process > message that all the other units do. > > After several attempts by the 3rd world techs there to get this unit to > turn on, they called in a real technician somewhere back here in the > states, and He sent the correct data stream to the device, and then it > was working in a few minutes. > > I find that quite interesting !!!! > > I still have one 350 unit which we wiped out all the memory on, > and I can't seem to figure out how to program it back up again. > > If anybody has gotten anywhere on this model, give a shout back !! Yahoo! Groups Links From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19040 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2006 03:32:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2006 03:32:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes90.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.240) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2006 03:31:59 -0000 Received: from priv-edtnaa05.telusplanet.net ([209.121.230.219]) by priv-edtnes90.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with ESMTP id <20060419033159.BPZQ3677.priv-edtnes90.telusplanet.net@...> for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:31:59 -0600 Received: from NewBaby (d209-121-230-219.bchsia.telus.net [209.121.230.219]) by priv-edtnaa05.telusplanet.net (BorderWare MXtreme Infinity Mail Firewall) with SMTP id BBXRALV0KG for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:31:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <00b801c66361$d09549a0$dbe679d1@NewBaby> To: References: <000101c6632f$86097fa0$1565a8c0@computer1> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:21:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] mailstation 350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100; y=aUwuZvp8FgVxpGBlNV1XAk8zl2kL66_4RxSaRKGhjhfMxV5gwQ X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 522 Lines: 20 I guess. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "wayne" > They needed to know the model number and the serial number. > > The first 2 times the tech in India tried it and it would not > switch over, so I called irate, and then they said that they would > have to get ahold of a "real" technician, and it was suddenly working > within the hour. So I would assume that whatever the standard data > stream that they send the mailstations, the 350 takes something > different in or on it ?? > > Wayne From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: govindc@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46948 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2006 13:17:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2006 13:17:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.174) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2006 13:16:33 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c2so813775ugf for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 06:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.23.16 with SMTP id 16mr90976huw; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 06:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.24.5 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 06:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1d0b65630604190615w74431c24mee7e4444b0dab153@...> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:45:20 +0530 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000101c6632f$86097fa0$1565a8c0@computer1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5444_24602194.1145452520376" References: <1e1b01c66315$51008750$dbe679d1@NewBaby> <000101c6632f$86097fa0$1565a8c0@computer1> X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Govind C" Subject: Re: [mailstation] mailstation 350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204294763; y=FiOlx1XG9pWHlAmSQ6ertbXt5zwugrUzUKjLPe0CMvhWug X-Yahoo-Profile: govigov Status: RO Content-Length: 348 Lines: 13 ------=_Part_5444_24602194.1145452520376 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline [ Attachment content not displayed ] ------=_Part_5444_24602194.1145452520376 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline [ Attachment content not displayed ] ------=_Part_5444_24602194.1145452520376-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77191 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2006 16:35:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2006 16:35:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (208.186.161.99) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2006 16:35:44 -0000 Received: from computer1 (computer1.handypage5.net [192.168.101.21]) by www.handypage.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/netmax) with SMTP id k3JGTUHx014920 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:29:31 -0700 To: Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:30:54 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c663ce$a1f8ae80$1565a8c0@computer1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C66393.F59B5D20" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <1d0b65630604190615w74431c24mee7e4444b0dab153@...> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "wayne" Reply-To: Subject: RE: [mailstation] mailstation 350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=xoix4IskyiV79qdUrgvINFi9G8FjZDpJVuq0l5KGPBxQu5WuGK5Tkw X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 14977 Lines: 473 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C66393.F59B5D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well since you seem to know what is needed here, how do I ask to get another unit turned on next time ??? I have another 350 unit, that I want to replace a current model 100 unit with. We tried to do that about 6 months ago, but ran into the same problem, in the fact that they could NEVER get it to change over and go to the setup mail account from it's serial number account. It sends mail out OK, so I know it works. Up until I put this last 350 in service, I just thought that it was broken somehow. But when the other 350 unit would not convert to the mail account also, I bought a 3rd unit. It did the exact same thing. It was not until I raised the fact that I would not pay for a NEW account that I did not have any equipment on that worked, that they said that they had to get a SENIOR Technician to do something. About 2 hours later, that unit changed it's programming and set itself up on the account like it should have. It is working fine now, (And YES, I did pay the account up at that point). So what do I have to tell the Phone person to correctly get this other 350 unit setup, and transferred to my other account that I have the model 100 on ?? thanks, Wayne PS, I think the mailstation service is great, especially for those that are not computer geeks like us. The system works great in most cases, except for it's lack of being able to view larger emails. But I have had one for my Mother (age 75)(Model 100) for several years now, and She is thrilled with it and I just got one (model 350) for my Aunt and Uncle (75 years). The ONLY way that we can get good constant communications with these people. If Earthlink decides at some point to discontinue this service in the future, please advise us at that time how to change these units for other services !!! Thanks !! -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Govind C Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 6:15 AM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mailstation] mailstation 350 No thats not the case. The service in mailstation 350 is the same, but the mailstation itself takes the data differently. its the hardest mailstation to tech, unlike the other mailstation models which are quite easy. Regards, a tech from india :) On 4/19/06, wayne wrote: They needed to know the model number and the serial number. The first 2 times the tech in India tried it and it would not switch over, so I called irate, and then they said that they would have to get ahold of a "real" technician, and it was suddenly working within the hour. So I would assume that whatever the standard data stream that they send the mailstations, the 350 takes something different in or on it ?? Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil Morrison Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:16 AM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mailstation] mailstation 350 I wish we knew what that data stream was. Did they need to know the model etc.? Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "iwireless2001" < waynem@...> > I just finally was able to get Earthlink to make a 350 unit > switch to an email account on their system. > > Seems that the 350 units do NOT use the same setup process > message that all the other units do. > > After several attempts by the 3rd world techs there to get this unit to > turn on, they called in a real technician somewhere back here in the > states, and He sent the correct data stream to the device, and then it > was working in a few minutes. > > I find that quite interesting !!!! > > I still have one 350 unit which we wiped out all the memory on, > and I can't seem to figure out how to program it back up again. > > If anybody has gotten anywhere on this model, give a shout back !! Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links -- Govind.C CLiENTLOGIC (CLI3L e-Services Ltd.) Bangalore. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "mailstation" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: mailstation-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C66393.F59B5D20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
Well since you seem to know what is needed here, how do I ask t= o get another unit turned on
next time ???
I have another 350 unit, that I want to replace a = current model 100 unit with.
&nb= sp;
We tried to do that about 6 months ago, but ran into the = same problem, in the fact that
they could NEVE= R get it to change over and go to the setup mail account from it's serial<= /FONT>
number account.  It sends mail out OK, so = I know it works.
=  
Up until I put this last 350 in service, I just thought that it was b= roken somehow.
<= FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>But when the other 350 unit wou= ld not convert to the mail account also, I bought a
<= DIV>3rd unit. It did the exact same thing. 
 
It was not until I raised the fact= that I would not pay for a NEW account that I did not have any
equipment on that worked, that they said that they h= ad to get a SENIOR Technician to 
do some= thing. About 2 hours later, that unit changed it's programming and set= itself
up on the account like it should have.=   It is working fine now, (And YES, I did pay the
=
account up at that point).
 
So what do I have to tell the Phone person to corre= ctly get this other 350 unit setup,
and tran= sferred to my other account that I have the model 100 on ??
 
thanks,
 
Wayne=
 
PS, I think the mailstati= on service is great, especially for those that are not computer
geeks like us.  The system works great in most cases= , except for it's lack of being
able to view l= arger emails.  But I have had one for my Mother (age 75)(Model 100) &= nbsp;for several years now,
and She is thrilled= with it and I just got one (model 350) for my Aunt a= nd Uncle (75 years).
The ONLY way that we can = get good constant communications with these people.
 
If Earthlink decides at some point= to discontinue this service in the future, please advise us=
at that time how to change these units for other services !!= !  Thanks !!
 
<= DIV> 
&nb= sp;
-----Original Message-----From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroup= s.com]On Behalf Of Govind C
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, = 2006 6:15 AM
To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mailstation] mailstation 350

No t= hats not the case. The service in mailstation 350 is the same, but the m= ailstation itself takes the data differently. its the hardest mailstation = to tech, unlike the other mailstation models which are quite easy.
=
 
Regards,
 
a te= ch from india :)


 
On 4/19/06, wayne <waynem@...> wrote:
They needed to know= the model number and the serial number.

The first 2 times the = tech in India tried it and it would not
switch over, so I called i= rate, and then they said that they would
have to get ahold of a "re= al" technician, and it was suddenly working
within the hour. &= nbsp;So I would assume that whatever the standard data
stream that= they send the mailstations, the 350 takes something
different in o= r on it ??

Wayne


-----Original Message-----
From:= mailstation@yahoogroup= s.com [mailto:= mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Neil Morrison
Sent:= Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:16 AM
To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ma= ilstation] mailstation 350



I wish we knew what that dat= a stream was. Did they need to know the model
etc.?

Neil
=
----- Original Message -----
From: "iwireless2001" < waynem@...>

<= BR>> I just finally was able to get Earthlink to make a 350 unit> switch to an email account on their system.
>
> Seem= s that the 350 units do NOT use the same setup process
> messag= e that all the other units do.
>
> After several attempts = by the 3rd world techs there to get this unit to
> turn on, they= called in a real technician somewhere back here in the
> states= , and He sent the correct data stream to the device, and then it
&= gt; was working in a few minutes.
>
> I find that quite in= teresting !!!!
>
> I still have one 350 unit which we wipe= d out all the memory on,
> and I can't seem to figure out how to= program it back up again.
>
> If anybody has gotten anyw= here on this model, give a shout back !!




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Bangalore. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C66393.F59B5D20-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: govindc@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41872 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2006 15:02:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2006 15:02:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.170) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2006 15:02:28 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id o2so131888uge for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:02:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.21.7 with SMTP id 7mr34028huu; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:02:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.24.5 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:02:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1d0b65630604200802o1d0ecc16s4d2333991cb6b818@...> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:32:27 +0530 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000601c663ce$a1f8ae80$1565a8c0@computer1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3736_14709407.1145545347816" References: <1d0b65630604190615w74431c24mee7e4444b0dab153@...> <000601c663ce$a1f8ae80$1565a8c0@computer1> X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Govind C" Subject: Re: [mailstation] mailstation 350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204294763; y=m0X9L10cA0m5zrfqZ9KTaczLkWEdWP0mWoeq63-0EE7Jng X-Yahoo-Profile: govigov Status: RO Content-Length: 348 Lines: 13 ------=_Part_3736_14709407.1145545347816 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline [ Attachment content not displayed ] ------=_Part_3736_14709407.1145545347816 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline [ Attachment content not displayed ] ------=_Part_3736_14709407.1145545347816-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81433 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2006 04:21:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2006 04:21:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (208.186.161.99) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2006 04:21:23 -0000 Received: from computer1 (computer1.handypage5.net [192.168.101.21]) by www.handypage.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/netmax) with SMTP id k3P4M1tL028491 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:22:01 -0700 To: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:23:06 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01c6681f$f3f2d350$1565a8c0@computer1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C667E5.4793FB50" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1d0b65630604190615w74431c24mee7e4444b0dab153@...> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "wayne" Reply-To: Subject: RE: [mailstation] mailstation 350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=202rPi5KLJHcMYH_UjvmtBpEZ9uBPeWbizfyBKmHryqjqvs3B6GmrQ X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 10048 Lines: 335 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C667E5.4793FB50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, Govind C, Please tell me what I need to tell the person on the Tech phone when I call them ??? I tried to have this Model 350 changed to my account (from the current model 100), and it would not change over like the last model 350 unit I setup. I again called and they sent the message, and it would not change over. I know it works because I can send a message from it to other email addresses OK. Is there something or somebody I should ask for that knows what is needed to make it change over ??? It is a Version 1.38 model 350 serial number is 0239028999 thanks, wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Govind C Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 6:15 AM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mailstation] mailstation 350 No thats not the case. The service in mailstation 350 is the same, but the mailstation itself takes the data differently. its the hardest mailstation to tech, unlike the other mailstation models which are quite easy. Regards, a tech from india :) On 4/19/06, wayne wrote: They needed to know the model number and the serial number. The first 2 times the tech in India tried it and it would not switch over, so I called irate, and then they said that they would have to get ahold of a "real" technician, and it was suddenly working within the hour. So I would assume that whatever the standard data stream that they send the mailstations, the 350 takes something different in or on it ?? Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil Morrison Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:16 AM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mailstation] mailstation 350 I wish we knew what that data stream was. Did they need to know the model etc.? Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "iwireless2001" < waynem@...> > I just finally was able to get Earthlink to make a 350 unit > switch to an email account on their system. > > Seems that the 350 units do NOT use the same setup process > message that all the other units do. > > After several attempts by the 3rd world techs there to get this unit to > turn on, they called in a real technician somewhere back here in the > states, and He sent the correct data stream to the device, and then it > was working in a few minutes. > > I find that quite interesting !!!! > > I still have one 350 unit which we wiped out all the memory on, > and I can't seem to figure out how to program it back up again. > > If anybody has gotten anywhere on this model, give a shout back !! Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links -- Govind.C CLiENTLOGIC (CLI3L e-Services Ltd.) Bangalore. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "mailstation" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: mailstation-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C667E5.4793FB50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
Well,
Govind C,
=
Please tell me what I need to tell the person on the Tech phone wh= en I call them ???
On 4/19/06, wayne <waynem@...> wrote:
They needed to know the model number and the seri= al number.

The first 2 times the tech in India tried it and it = would not
switch over, so I called irate, and then they said that = they would
have to get ahold of a "real" technician, and it was sud= denly working
within the hour.  So I would assume that wh= atever the standard data
stream that they send the mailstations, t= he 350 takes something
different in or on it ??

Wayne

-----Original Message-----
From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Neil Morrison
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:16= AM
To: mailstation@= yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mailstation] mailstation 350
=


I wish we knew what that data stream was. Did they need to= know the model
etc.?

Neil

----- Original Message ---= --
From: "iwireless2001" < waynem@...>


> I just finally wa= s able to get Earthlink to make a 350 unit
> switch to an email = account on their system.
>
> Seems that the 350 units do N= OT use the same setup process
> message that all the other unit= s do.
>
> After several attempts by the 3rd world techs th= ere to get this unit to
> turn on, they called in a real technician = somewhere back here in the
> states, and He sent the correct data= stream to the device, and then it
> was working in a few = minutes.
>
> I find that quite interesting !!!!
>
>= I still have one 350 unit which we wiped out all the memory on,
&g= t; and I can't seem to figure out how to program it back up again. >
> If anybody has gotten anywhere on this model, give a sho= ut back !!




Yahoo! Groups Links



=







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<*> T= o visit your group on the web, go to:
   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/= mailstation/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send= an email to:
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X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78769 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 02:29:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2006 02:29:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.171) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 02:29:19 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id h2so988110ugf for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:29:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.31.18 with SMTP id e18mr305711hue; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:29:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.24.5 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:29:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1d0b65630604251929l6f69c09dr64cee31fc0da2796@...> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 07:59:18 +0530 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000b01c6681f$f3f2d350$1565a8c0@computer1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_12274_6010356.1146018558304" References: <1d0b65630604190615w74431c24mee7e4444b0dab153@...> <000b01c6681f$f3f2d350$1565a8c0@computer1> X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Govind C" Subject: Re: [mailstation] mailstation 350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204294763; y=jO1FjO876r-wE8bzQO19tRWXP5ZFGDSzLUmTCzc0CL-xMA X-Yahoo-Profile: govigov Status: RO Content-Length: 348 Lines: 13 ------=_Part_12274_6010356.1146018558304 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline [ Attachment content not displayed ] ------=_Part_12274_6010356.1146018558304 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline [ Attachment content not displayed ] ------=_Part_12274_6010356.1146018558304-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72691 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 15:25:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2006 15:25:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (208.186.161.99) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 15:25:34 -0000 Received: from computer1 (computer1.handypage5.net [192.168.101.21]) by www.handypage.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/netmax) with SMTP id k3QFNAK9005641 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:23:10 -0700 To: Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:24:10 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c66945$77bb47a0$1565a8c0@computer1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C6690A.CB5C6FA0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 In-Reply-To: <1d0b65630604251929l6f69c09dr64cee31fc0da2796@...> X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "wayne" Reply-To: Subject: RE: [mailstation] mailstation 350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=xAVN3mp34DFfbcL89pYuxVUlbuIH3aykyg2zLS_kkqa9P4hqaZ3nFQ X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 19235 Lines: 619 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C6690A.CB5C6FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I tried it and it still did not change over, so I did the Hard Reset like you suggested, and then pulled the batteries out and did it again. It still will NOT change over, it connects OK, logs in to the server, then says "No Mail", then logs into the "Send mail server", and then says "0 messages sent". 800 number they gave me is 800-520-3236 ...... This is a Model 350 version is 1.38 Is there any way to re-load the "factory defaults" back into it like the model 100 does. Maybe there is something glitched in there somewhere ??? Although everything looks like the other unit did, and they were finally able to get that to work !! Any suggestions ??? my email is waynem@... thanks, wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Govind C Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 7:29 PM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mailstation] mailstation 350 Hi Wayne, I checked on your account. The "clipmail" can be viewed on the webmail. I had given the way to login to the serial number account some while back. It should be working for you now. If not, do a hard reset and then change the dialup number to the 800 number given to you and try. Regards, Govind C On 4/25/06, wayne wrote: Well, Govind C, Please tell me what I need to tell the person on the Tech phone when I call them ??? I tried to have this Model 350 changed to my account (from the current model 100), and it would not change over like the last model 350 unit I setup. I again called and they sent the message, and it would not change over. I know it works because I can send a message from it to other email addresses OK. Is there something or somebody I should ask for that knows what is needed to make it change over ??? It is a Version 1.38 model 350 serial number is 0239028999 thanks, wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Govind C Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 6:15 AM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mailstation] mailstation 350 No thats not the case. The service in mailstation 350 is the same, but the mailstation itself takes the data differently. its the hardest mailstation to tech, unlike the other mailstation models which are quite easy. Regards, a tech from india :) On 4/19/06, wayne wrote: They needed to know the model number and the serial number. The first 2 times the tech in India tried it and it would not switch over, so I called irate, and then they said that they would have to get ahold of a "real" technician, and it was suddenly working within the hour. So I would assume that whatever the standard data stream that they send the mailstations, the 350 takes something different in or on it ?? Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil Morrison Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:16 AM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mailstation] mailstation 350 I wish we knew what that data stream was. Did they need to know the model etc.? Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "iwireless2001" < waynem@...> > I just finally was able to get Earthlink to make a 350 unit > switch to an email account on their system. > > Seems that the 350 units do NOT use the same setup process > message that all the other units do. > > After several attempts by the 3rd world techs there to get this unit to > turn on, they called in a real technician somewhere back here in the > states, and He sent the correct data stream to the device, and then it > was working in a few minutes. > > I find that quite interesting !!!! > > I still have one 350 unit which we wiped out all the memory on, > and I can't seem to figure out how to program it back up again. > > If anybody has gotten anywhere on this model, give a shout back !! Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links -- Govind.C CLiENTLOGIC (CLI3L e-Services Ltd.) Bangalore. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. 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I tried it and it still did not change over, so I did the Hard = Reset like you suggested, and then pulled the
= batteries out and did it again.  It still will NOT change over, it co= nnects OK, logs in to the server,
then says "No= Mail", then logs into the "Send mail server", and then s= ays "0 messages sent".
I tried to have this Model = 350 changed to my account (from the current model 100), and<= /DIV>
it would not change over like the last model 350 unit I setup= .   I again called and they sent the message,
and it would not change over.  I know it works because I can= send a message from it to other
email address= es OK.
 
Is th= ere something or somebody I should ask for that knows what is needed to mak= e it change
over ???  It is a Version 1.3= 8 model 350   serial number is 0239028999
 
thanks,
<= FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>wayne
 
=
-----Original Message-----
From: mailstation@yah= oogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Gov= ind C
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 6:15 AM
To: = mailstation@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mailstation] mailstati= on 350

No thats not the case. The servic= e in mailstation 350 is the same, but the mailstation itself takes the d= ata differently. its the hardest mailstation to tech, unlike the other m= ailstation models which are quite easy.
 
R= egards,
 
a tech from india :)


 
 
800 number they gave me is 800-520-3236 ......
 
This is a Model 350 version i= s 1.38
 
Is th= ere any way to re-load the "factory defaults" back into it like the model 1= 00 does.
Maybe there is something glitched in = there somewhere ???
 
=
Although everything looks like the other unit did, and they were fi= nally able to get that to work !!
 
Any suggestions ???
 
my email is waynem@...
 
thanks,
wayne
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From:= mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On B= ehalf Of Govind C
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 7:29 PMTo: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mailstat= ion] mailstation 350

Hi Wayne,
I checked on your account. The "clipmail" can be viewed on the webmail. I = had given the way to login to the serial number account some while back.= It should be working for you now. If not, do a hard reset and then chan= ge the dialup number to the 800 number given to you and try.
 
Regards,
Govind C

 
=
On 4/25/06, way= ne <waynem@...<= /A>> wrote:
=
Well,
Govind C,
Please tell me what I need = to tell the person on the Tech phone when I call them ???=
I tried t= o have this Model 350 changed to my account (from the current model 10= 0), and
it would not change over like the last model 350 unit= I setup.   I again called and they sent the message,=
an= d it would not change over.  I know it works because I can send a= message from it to other
No t= hats not the case. The service in mailstation 350 is the same, but the= mailstation itself takes the data differently. its the hardest mailst= ation to tech, unlike the other mailstation models which are quite eas= y.
 
Regards,
 
a tech from india :)


 
=
On 4/19/06, wayn= e <waynem@handy= page.net> wrote:
They needed to know the model number and the serial number.
The first 2 times the tech in India tried it and it would not =
switch over, so I called irate, and then they said that they wou= ld
have to get ahold of a "real" technician, and it was suddenly = working
within the hour.  So I would assume that whatev= er the standard data
stream that they send the mailstations, the= 350 takes something
different in or on it ??

Wayne=


-----Original Message-----
From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mai= lto:mails= tation@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Neil Morrison
Sent: Tu= esday, April 18, 2006 11:16 AM
To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
Subject: R= e: [mailstation] mailstation 350



I wish we knew what= that data stream was. Did they need to know the model
etc= .?

Neil

----- Original Message -----
From: "iwirele= ss2001" < way= nem@...>


> I just finally was able to= get Earthlink to make a 350 unit
> switch to an email account= on their system.
>
> Seems that the 350 units do NOT us= e the same setup process
> message that all the other units d= o.
>
> After several attempts by the 3rd world techs there to = get this unit to
> turn on, they called in a real technician = somewhere back here in the
> states, and He sent the correct dat= a stream to the device, and then it
> was working in a few = minutes.
>
> I find that quite interesting !!!!
= >
> I still have one 350 unit which we wiped out all the me= mory on,
> and I can't seem to figure out how to program it back = up again.
>
> If anybody has gotten anywhere on this model,= give a shout back !!




Yahoo! Groups Links<= BR>










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Bangalore.
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      Bangalore. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C6690A.CB5C6FA0-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90684 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 16:31:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2006 16:31:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (208.186.161.99) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 16:31:20 -0000 Received: from computer1 (computer1.handypage5.net [192.168.101.21]) by www.handypage.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/netmax) with SMTP id k3QGSj6B009886 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:28:45 -0700 To: Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:29:44 -0700 Message-ID: <001401c6694e$a0e62240$1565a8c0@computer1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C66913.F4874A40" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 In-Reply-To: <1d0b65630604251929l6f69c09dr64cee31fc0da2796@...> X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "wayne" Reply-To: Subject: RE: [mailstation] mailstation 350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=PQsjTnr8mq7P_C5NSCDeBPgjOPTK-O4ZcwHABZiBVspWQHg0oktn7Q X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 17178 Lines: 557 ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C66913.F4874A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I forwarded the Webmail to the serial number email address, which hopefully is just the serial number @.... The model 350 did not receive it. Can you check to see if the test message I sent is in that mailbox ?? If it is then I may have a bad mailstation, as it does not seem to want to receive any mail, although I have no problem with sending it out. Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Govind C Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 7:29 PM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mailstation] mailstation 350 Hi Wayne, I checked on your account. The "clipmail" can be viewed on the webmail. I had given the way to login to the serial number account some while back. It should be working for you now. If not, do a hard reset and then change the dialup number to the 800 number given to you and try. Regards, Govind C On 4/25/06, wayne wrote: Well, Govind C, Please tell me what I need to tell the person on the Tech phone when I call them ??? I tried to have this Model 350 changed to my account (from the current model 100), and it would not change over like the last model 350 unit I setup. I again called and they sent the message, and it would not change over. I know it works because I can send a message from it to other email addresses OK. Is there something or somebody I should ask for that knows what is needed to make it change over ??? It is a Version 1.38 model 350 serial number is 0239028999 thanks, wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Govind C Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 6:15 AM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mailstation] mailstation 350 No thats not the case. The service in mailstation 350 is the same, but the mailstation itself takes the data differently. its the hardest mailstation to tech, unlike the other mailstation models which are quite easy. Regards, a tech from india :) On 4/19/06, wayne wrote: They needed to know the model number and the serial number. The first 2 times the tech in India tried it and it would not switch over, so I called irate, and then they said that they would have to get ahold of a "real" technician, and it was suddenly working within the hour. So I would assume that whatever the standard data stream that they send the mailstations, the 350 takes something different in or on it ?? Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil Morrison Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:16 AM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mailstation] mailstation 350 I wish we knew what that data stream was. Did they need to know the model etc.? Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "iwireless2001" < waynem@...> > I just finally was able to get Earthlink to make a 350 unit > switch to an email account on their system. > > Seems that the 350 units do NOT use the same setup process > message that all the other units do. > > After several attempts by the 3rd world techs there to get this unit to > turn on, they called in a real technician somewhere back here in the > states, and He sent the correct data stream to the device, and then it > was working in a few minutes. > > I find that quite interesting !!!! > > I still have one 350 unit which we wiped out all the memory on, > and I can't seem to figure out how to program it back up again. > > If anybody has gotten anywhere on this model, give a shout back !! Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links -- Govind.C CLiENTLOGIC (CLI3L e-Services Ltd.) Bangalore. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. 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      I forwarded the Webmail to the serial number email address, whi= ch hopefully is just the
      serial number @mailst= ation.com.  The model 350 did not receive it. Can you check to see if=
      the test message I sent is in that mailbox ??<= /FONT>
       
      If it is the= n I may have a bad mailstation, as it does not seem to want to receive any = mail,
      although I have no problem with sending = it out.
       
      Wayn= e
       
       
      ----= -Original Message-----
      From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mail= to:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Govind C
      Sent:<= /B> Tuesday, April 25, 2006 7:29 PM
      To: mailstation@yahoogroup= s.com
      Subject: Re: [mailstation] mailstation 350

      Hi Wayne,
      I checked on your account. The "clip= mail" can be viewed on the webmail. I had given the way to login to the = serial number account some while back. It should be working for you now.= If not, do a hard reset and then change the dialup number to the 800 nu= mber given to you and try.
       
      Regards,
      =
      Govind C

       
      On 4/= 25/06, wayne <waynem@...> wrote:
      =
      Well,<= /DIV>
      Govind = C,
      Please tell me what I need to tell the person on the Tech p= hone when I call them ???
      I tried to have this Model 350 changed = to my account (from the current model 100), and
      =
      it would not chang= e over like the last model 350 unit I setup.   I again calle= d and they sent the message,
      and it would not change over.&= nbsp; I know it works because I can send a message from it to other
      email addresses OK.
       
      Is there something or somebo= dy I should ask for that knows what is needed to make it change=
      ov= er ???  It is a Version 1.38 model 350   serial number = is 0239028999
       
      thanks,
      wayne
      =
       = ;
      -----Original Message-----
      From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com <= /A>[mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Govind C
      Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 6:15 = AM
      To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [mailstation= ] mailstation 350

      =
      No thats not the case. The service= in mailstation 350 is the same, but the mailstation itself takes the = data differently. its the hardest mailstation to tech, unlike the othe= r mailstation models which are quite easy.
       
      Regards,
       
      a tech from india= :)


       
      On 4/19/06, wayne <waynem@...> wrote:
      They needed to k= now the model number and the serial number.

      The first 2 times= the tech in India tried it and it would not
      switch over, so I c= alled irate, and then they said that they would
      have to get ahold of a = "real" technician, and it was suddenly working
      within the h= our.  So I would assume that whatever the standard data stream that they send the mailstations, the 350 takes somethingdifferent in or on it ??

      Wayne


      -----Original Mess= age-----
      From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On=
      Behalf Of Neil Morrison
      Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:16 A= M
      To: = mailstation@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [mailstation] mails= tation 350



      I wish we knew what that data stream was.= Did they need to know the model
      etc.?

      Neil

      ----- O= riginal Message -----
      From: "iwireless2001" < waynem@...>
      =

      > I just finally was able to get Earthlink to make a 350 = unit
      > switch to an email account on their system.
      >
      = > Seems that the 350 units do NOT use the same setup process
      = > message that all the other units do.
      >
      > After seve= ral attempts by the 3rd world techs there to get this unit to
      >= ; turn on, they called in a real technician somewhere back here in t= he
      > states, and He sent the correct data stream to the device= , and then it
      > was working in a few minutes.
      >
      >= I find that quite interesting !!!!
      >
      > I still have one= 350 unit which we wiped out all the memory on,
      > and I can't = seem to figure out how to program it back up again.
      >
      >= If anybody has gotten anywhere on this model, give a shout back !!<= BR>



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          Bangal= ore. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C66913.F4874A40-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: govindc@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1406 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 19:14:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2006 19:14:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.92.173) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 19:14:13 -0000 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id e2so1398009ugf for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.40.10 with SMTP id n10mr301357hun; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.24.5 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1d0b65630604261148t1da5b378q727d8217ad337d1b@...> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:18:02 +0530 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000801c66945$77bb47a0$1565a8c0@computer1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5311_21217854.1146077282246" References: <1d0b65630604251929l6f69c09dr64cee31fc0da2796@...> <000801c66945$77bb47a0$1565a8c0@computer1> X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Govind C" Subject: Re: [mailstation] mailstation 350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204294763; y=t2bnJv115nEWoTNEOZhWfrI8wexebmY_wKuDOdOhUZzT6w X-Yahoo-Profile: govigov Status: RO Content-Length: 348 Lines: 13 ------=_Part_5311_21217854.1146077282246 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline [ Attachment content not displayed ] ------=_Part_5311_21217854.1146077282246 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline [ Attachment content not displayed ] ------=_Part_5311_21217854.1146077282246-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: benjaminmaggi@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89748 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2006 10:50:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2006 10:50:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (209.73.160.92) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2006 10:50:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n32.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2006 10:49:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2006 10:49:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:48:58 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "benjaminmaggi" Subject: Stand Alone LCD Module X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=165407863; y=joRiBdA42JoCuHgnd0sdB63sWD-fbzWZWGlQ8sva3q_TjEnbFRaENw X-Yahoo-Profile: benjaminmaggi Status: RO Content-Length: 641 Lines: 28 Hi, I've carefully read all data on this board regarding LCD pinouts and th= e work flow approximations. (Message #38, and the .doc file) With this info= and and some coffee i decided to hack the LCD module of one of my 2 mailst= ation DTE1, and hook it up to the parallel port of my PC. Of course i reali= zed there's not enough data on this matter to proceed with this task (timin= gs, and so on...), i know most of the documentation for this little baby is= done by pure brute force hacking. :) Still i wonder if any one has reached= some level of communications with the LCD ???? Any help will be very appre= ciated. Benjamin. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26324 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2006 15:35:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2006 15:35:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (208.186.161.99) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2006 15:35:08 -0000 Received: from computer1 (computer1.handypage5.net [192.168.101.21]) by www.handypage.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/netmax) with SMTP id k5JFV381025519 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:31:04 -0700 To: Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:25:36 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c693b4$9dd11700$1565a8c0@computer1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C69379.F1723F00" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "wayne" Reply-To: Subject: RE: [mailstation] Stand Alone LCD Module X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=j3C4_5Jw8tJmMddUJwkIVpy2VQe8Q0xFx0QtgKubv9bwdnA2gXqoZw X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 3582 Lines: 111 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C69379.F1723F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What is it you are trying to do with this LCD unit ?? Maybe there is a better way ??? Wayne Iwireless -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of benjaminmaggi Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:49 AM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: [mailstation] Stand Alone LCD Module Hi, I've carefully read all data on this board regarding LCD pinouts and the work flow approximations. (Message #38, and the .doc file) With this info and and some coffee i decided to hack the LCD module of one of my 2 mailstation DTE1, and hook it up to the parallel port of my PC. Of course i realized there's not enough data on this matter to proceed with this task (timings, and so on...), i know most of the documentation for this little baby is done by pure brute force hacking. :) Still i wonder if any one has reached some level of communications with the LCD ???? Any help will be very appreciated. Benjamin. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C69379.F1723F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
          What is it you are trying to do with thi= s LCD unit ??
          Maybe there is a better way ???
           
          Wayne<= /SPAN>
          Iwireless
           
          -----Origina= l Message-----
          From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mails= tation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of benjaminmaggi
          Sent:= Monday, June 19, 2006 3:49 AM
          To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com=
          Subject: [mailstation] Stand Alone LCD Module

          <= /DIV>

          Hi,
          I've carefully read all data on th= is board regarding LCD pinouts and
          the work flow approximations. (Mes= sage #38, and the .doc file)
          With this info and and some coffee i dec= ided to hack the LCD module of
          one of my 2 mailstation DTE1, and hook= it up to the parallel port of
          my PC.
          Of course i realized there's= not enough data on this matter to proceed
          with this task (timings, a= nd so on...), i know most of the
          documentation for this little baby i= s done by pure brute force hacking. :)
          Still i wonder if any one has = reached some level of communications
          with the LCD ????
          Any help wi= ll be very appreciated.

          Benjamin.

          ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C69379.F1723F00-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: eddy@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3571 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2006 16:23:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2006 16:23:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc12.comcast.net) (204.127.192.82) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2006 16:23:37 -0000 Received: from eddypc (c-67-176-143-74.hsd1.il.comcast.net[67.176.143.74]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060619154829m12008uufre>; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:48:30 +0000 To: Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:48:24 -0500 Message-ID: <002a01c693b7$ccf563d0$6a01a8c0@eddypc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01C6938D.E41F5BD0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaTtfLjt0CMTo0CQpGifdNN+E37wwAAYvYg In-Reply-To: <000401c693b4$9dd11700$1565a8c0@computer1> X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Eddy Wright" Subject: RE: [mailstation] Stand Alone LCD Module X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113220603; y=TgjVa1MwLb0fpO31IIHmuP9aflJGaP0pCpfiB69_Pt8cJ9w-2A X-Yahoo-Profile: eddywright Status: RO Content-Length: 5770 Lines: 182 ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C6938D.E41F5BD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd love to replace the main board with one of my own. I'd have to build a driver for the LCD display or find a way to salvage the existing one. I want to build a custom wireless serial terminal and the mailstation is an excellent form factor for that. Eddy http://www.wrighthobbies.net _____ From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wayne Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 10:26 AM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [mailstation] Stand Alone LCD Module What is it you are trying to do with this LCD unit ?? Maybe there is a better way ??? Wayne Iwireless -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of benjaminmaggi Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:49 AM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: [mailstation] Stand Alone LCD Module Hi, I've carefully read all data on this board regarding LCD pinouts and the work flow approximations. (Message #38, and the .doc file) With this info and and some coffee i decided to hack the LCD module of one of my 2 mailstation DTE1, and hook it up to the parallel port of my PC. Of course i realized there's not enough data on this matter to proceed with this task (timings, and so on...), i know most of the documentation for this little baby is done by pure brute force hacking. :) Still i wonder if any one has reached some level of communications with the LCD ???? Any help will be very appreciated. Benjamin. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C6938D.E41F5BD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
          I'd love to replace the = main board with one of my own.  I'd have to build a driver for the LC= D display or find a way to salvage the existing one.
          <= DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft> 
          I want to build a custom wireless serial terminal and the mai= lstation is an excellent form factor for that.
           
          Eddy
          =  

          From: m= ailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com] On Beha= lf Of wayne
          Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 10:26 AM
          To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: RE: [mailstation] Stand = Alone LCD Module

          =

          What is it you are trying to do with this LCD unit ??
          Maybe there is a better way ???
           
          Wayne
          Iwire= less
           = ;
          -----Original Message-----
          From:= mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]= On Behalf Of benjaminmaggi
          Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:4= 9 AM
          To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [mails= tation] Stand Alone LCD Module

          Hi,
          I've carefully read all data on this board regarding LCD pin= outs and
          the work flow approximations. (Message #38, and the .doc fil= e)
          With this info and and some coffee i decided to hack the LCD modul= e of
          one of my 2 mailstation DTE1, and hook it up to the parallel por= t of
          my PC.
          Of course i realized there's not enough data on this m= atter to proceed
          with this task (timings, and so on...), i know most = of the
          documentation for this little baby is done by pure brute force= hacking. :)
          Still i wonder if any one has reached some level of comm= unications
          with the LCD ????
          Any help will be very appreciated.
          Benjamin.

          ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C6938D.E41F5BD0-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42518 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2006 02:56:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2006 02:56:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (208.186.161.99) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2006 02:56:42 -0000 Received: from computer1 (computer1.handypage5.net [192.168.101.21]) by www.handypage.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/netmax) with SMTP id k5K32IcF009156 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:02:18 -0700 To: Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:56:49 -0700 Message-ID: <001701c69415$2d908d70$1565a8c0@computer1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C693DA.8131B570" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002a01c693b7$ccf563d0$6a01a8c0@eddypc> X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "wayne" Reply-To: Subject: RE: [mailstation] Stand Alone LCD Module X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=CEK8t9rceJLUXXByhXFf2zS3LZHVe5e63JHXJgk67R7la472TKlJOg X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 11701 Lines: 354 ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C693DA.8131B570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Let me save you some time and hassle, if by what you are saying as a wireless serial terminal you mean something to call a paging company, and enter a page, then it would be cheaper and easier to go to EBAY and pick up an Alphamate or Wordsender unit. They are already setup to do that, have a modem in them, and are pretty cheap, between $ 10 to $25 each. If you mean to send SMS (texting) to your cell phone, then you are going to have to do a lot of work and then find a program that will do SMS from whatever CPU unit you have hooked up to that mailstation. I don't think the CPU chip on the mailstation will work for that use, it probably does not have the sufficient memory to run a SMS program. However, some carriers (both Paging and Cellular) do have an Email gateway (SMTP), that will let you send an email to your Pager or Cell phone number. In that respect, the mailstation would work as it was originally configured, and would just send an email to that address. The Carrier's gateway computer would then get it and send it to your Pager or Cell Phone unit. You can either sign up with Earthlink or re-configure the DET1 by the "hack" on here and get on somebody else's ISP service. Wayne Handy Page -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Eddy Wright Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:48 AM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [mailstation] Stand Alone LCD Module I'd love to replace the main board with one of my own. I'd have to build a driver for the LCD display or find a way to salvage the existing one. I want to build a custom wireless serial terminal and the mailstation is an excellent form factor for that. Eddy http://www.wrighthobbies.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wayne Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 10:26 AM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [mailstation] Stand Alone LCD Module What is it you are trying to do with this LCD unit ?? Maybe there is a better way ??? Wayne Iwireless -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of benjaminmaggi Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:49 AM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: [mailstation] Stand Alone LCD Module Hi, I've carefully read all data on this board regarding LCD pinouts and the work flow approximations. (Message #38, and the .doc file) With this info and and some coffee i decided to hack the LCD module of one of my 2 mailstation DTE1, and hook it up to the parallel port of my PC. Of course i realized there's not enough data on this matter to proceed with this task (timings, and so on...), i know most of the documentation for this little baby is done by pure brute force hacking. :) Still i wonder if any one has reached some level of communications with the LCD ???? Any help will be very appreciated. Benjamin. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C693DA.8131B570 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
          Let me save you some time and hassle, if by= what you are saying as a wireless serial
          ter= minal you mean something to call a paging company, and enter a page, then = it
          would be cheaper and easier to go to EBAY a= nd pick up an Alphamate or Wordsender
          unit.&nb= sp; They are already setup to do that, have a modem in them, and are prett= y cheap,
          between $ 10 to $25 each.
           
          If you mean to send SMS = (texting) to your cell phone, then you are going to have to do a lot
          of work and then find a program that will do SMS fro= m whatever CPU unit you have
          hooked up to that= mailstation. I don't think the CPU chip on the mailstation will work for<= /FONT>
          that use, it probably does not have the suffici= ent memory to run a SMS program.
           
          However, some carriers (both Paging and Cellular) do = have an Email gateway (SMTP), that will let you
          <= SPAN class=3D169074502-20062006>send an email to your Pager or Cell phone number.  In that respect, = the mailstation would work
          as it was orig= inally configured, and would just send an email to that address.  The= Carrier's
          gateway computer would then get it a= nd send it to your Pager or Cell Phone unit.
          <= /FONT> 
          You can either sign up with Earthlink or= re-configure the DET1 by the "hack" on here and
          = get on somebody else's ISP service.
           
          Wayne
          Handy Pa= ge
           
          -----Original Message-----
          From: mailstation@yahoogro= ups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Eddy = Wright
          Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:48 AM
          To: mails= tation@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: RE: [mailstation] Stand Alone = LCD Module

          I'd love to replace the main board with one of my o= wn.  I'd have to build a driver for the LCD display or find a way to = salvage the existing one.
           
          I wan= t to build a custom wireless serial terminal and the mailstation is an e= xcellent form factor for that.
           
          = Eddy
           

          Fro= m: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com] = On Behalf Of wayne
          Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 10:26 AM=
          To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: RE: [mails= tation] Stand Alone LCD Module

          What is it you are trying to do with t= his LCD unit ??
          Maybe there is a better way= ???
           
          Wayne
          Iwireless
           
          -----Original Message-----
          From: mailstation@y= ahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of benjaminmaggi
          Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:49 AM
          To:= mailstation@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [mailstation] Stan= d Alone LCD Module

          Hi,=
          I've carefully read all data on this board regarding LCD pinouts a= nd
          the work flow approximations. (Message #38, and the .doc file)With this info and and some coffee i decided to hack the LCD module = of
          one of my 2 mailstation DTE1, and hook it up to the parallel port = of
          my PC.
          Of course i realized there's not enough data on this matt= er to proceed
          with this task (timings, and so on...), i know most o= f the
          documentation for this little baby is done by pure brute forc= e hacking. :)
          Still i wonder if any one has reached some level of = communications
          with the LCD ????
          Any help will be very appre= ciated.

          Benjamin.

          ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C693DA.8131B570-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: eddy@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26272 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2006 03:19:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2006 03:19:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc15.comcast.net) (63.240.77.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2006 03:19:27 -0000 Received: from eddypc (c-67-176-143-74.hsd1.il.comcast.net[67.176.143.74]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc15) with SMTP id <200606200319250150094ofhe>; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:19:26 +0000 To: Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:19:15 -0500 Message-ID: <001401c69418$4fabe870$6a01a8c0@eddypc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C693EE.66D5E070" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaUFSc6H4Y1Ow8zT0WbCBRrg8rJyAAAeywQ In-Reply-To: <001701c69415$2d908d70$1565a8c0@computer1> X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Eddy Wright" Subject: RE: [mailstation] Stand Alone LCD Module X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113220603; y=zP73fb91V02BZnUEvYB-6oak1EWZdubfTg3J46_vtvGT7iaJlw X-Yahoo-Profile: eddywright Status: RO Content-Length: 14291 Lines: 439 ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C693EE.66D5E070 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I need a portable TTL serial device to communicate with microcontrollers. I use serial communications to debug software and a wireless, portable device would make my life a lot easier. I use a laptop now which is overkill for what I need. I want to write a custom interface specific to the projects that I do, primarily robotics and home automation. I've already decoded the keyboard and built a prototype board, but I had to go with a different graphic LCD which doesn't fit the original case. There are a few handheld serial terminals available commercially but none have the formfactor of a mailstation. Eddy _____ From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wayne Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 9:57 PM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [mailstation] Stand Alone LCD Module Let me save you some time and hassle, if by what you are saying as a wireless serial terminal you mean something to call a paging company, and enter a page, then it would be cheaper and easier to go to EBAY and pick up an Alphamate or Wordsender unit. They are already setup to do that, have a modem in them, and are pretty cheap, between $ 10 to $25 each. If you mean to send SMS (texting) to your cell phone, then you are going to have to do a lot of work and then find a program that will do SMS from whatever CPU unit you have hooked up to that mailstation. I don't think the CPU chip on the mailstation will work for that use, it probably does not have the sufficient memory to run a SMS program. However, some carriers (both Paging and Cellular) do have an Email gateway (SMTP), that will let you send an email to your Pager or Cell phone number. In that respect, the mailstation would work as it was originally configured, and would just send an email to that address. The Carrier's gateway computer would then get it and send it to your Pager or Cell Phone unit. You can either sign up with Earthlink or re-configure the DET1 by the "hack" on here and get on somebody else's ISP service. Wayne Handy Page -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Eddy Wright Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:48 AM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [mailstation] Stand Alone LCD Module I'd love to replace the main board with one of my own. I'd have to build a driver for the LCD display or find a way to salvage the existing one. I want to build a custom wireless serial terminal and the mailstation is an excellent form factor for that. Eddy http://www.wrighthobbies.net _____ From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wayne Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 10:26 AM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [mailstation] Stand Alone LCD Module What is it you are trying to do with this LCD unit ?? Maybe there is a better way ??? Wayne Iwireless -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of benjaminmaggi Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:49 AM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: [mailstation] Stand Alone LCD Module Hi, I've carefully read all data on this board regarding LCD pinouts and the work flow approximations. (Message #38, and the .doc file) With this info and and some coffee i decided to hack the LCD module of one of my 2 mailstation DTE1, and hook it up to the parallel port of my PC. Of course i realized there's not enough data on this matter to proceed with this task (timings, and so on...), i know most of the documentation for this little baby is done by pure brute force hacking. :) Still i wonder if any one has reached some level of communications with the LCD ???? Any help will be very appreciated. Benjamin. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C693EE.66D5E070 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
          I need a portable TTL se= rial device to communicate with microcontrollers. I use serial communicati= ons to debug software and a wireless, portable device would make my l= ife a lot easier. I use a laptop now which is overkill = ;for what I need. I want to write a custom interface specific to the = projects that I do, primarily robotics and home automation. I've already d= ecoded the keyboard and built a prototype board, but I had to go with a di= fferent graphic LCD which doesn't fit the original case.
           
          There are a few handheld serial terminals available co= mmercially but none have the formfactor of a mailstation. 
           
          Eddy
           

          = From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mai= lto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wayne
          Sent: = Monday, June 19, 2006 9:57 PM
          To: mailstation@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [mailstation] Stand Alone LCD Module

          <= /DIV>

          Let me save you some tim= e and hassle, if by what you are saying as a wireless serial
          terminal you mean something to call a paging company, and e= nter a page, then it
          would be cheaper and eas= ier to go to EBAY and pick up an Alphamate or Wordsender
          unit.  They are already setup to do that, have a modem in t= hem, and are pretty cheap,
          between $ 10 to $25= each.
           
          If you= mean to send SMS (texting) to your cell phone, then you are going to have= to do a lot
          of work and then find a program t= hat will do SMS from whatever CPU unit you have
          <= SPAN class=3D169074502-20062006>hooked up to that mailstation. I don't think the CPU chip on the mailstat= ion will work for
          that use, it probably does n= ot have the sufficient memory to run a SMS program.
           
          However, some carriers (both Pagin= g and Cellular) do have an Email gateway (SMTP), that will let you<= /SPAN>
          send an email to your Pager or Cell phone number. = ; In that respect, the mailstation would work
          a= s it was originally configured, and would just send an email to that = address.  The Carrier's
          gateway computer = would then get it and send it to your Pager or Cell Phone unit.
           
          You can either sign up= with Earthlink or re-configure the DET1 by the "hack" on here and<= /SPAN>
          get on somebody else's ISP service.=
           
          Wayne
          =
          Handy Page
           
          =
          -----Original Message-----
          From: mai= lstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behal= f Of Eddy Wright
          Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 8:48 AM
          To:           mailstation@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: RE: [mailstation= ] Stand Alone LCD Module

          <= P>
          I'd love to replace the main board wi= th one of my own.  I'd have to build a driver for the LCD display o= r find a way to salvage the existing one.
           
          I want to build a custom wireless serial terminal and the m= ailstation is an excellent form factor for that.
           
          Eddy
           

          From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@y= ahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wayne
          Sent: Monday, June 1= 9, 2006 10:26 AM
          To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
          Subject= : RE: [mailstation] Stand Alone LCD Module

          What is it you are tryin= g to do with this LCD unit ??
          Maybe there i= s a better way ???
           
          Wayne
          Iwireless
           
          -----Original Message-----
          From: = mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Beha= lf Of benjaminmaggi
          Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:49 = AM
          To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [mai= lstation] Stand Alone LCD Module

          Hi,
          I've carefully read all data on this board regarding LCD = pinouts and
          the work flow approximations. (Message #38, and the .do= c file)
          With this info and and some coffee i decided to hack the LC= D module of
          one of my 2 mailstation DTE1, and hook it up to the par= allel port of
          my PC.
          Of course i realized there's not enough dat= a on this matter to proceed
          with this task (timings, and so on...),= i know most of the
          documentation for this little baby is done by p= ure brute force hacking. :)
          Still i wonder if any one has reached s= ome level of communications
          with the LCD ????
          Any help will be v= ery appreciated.

          Benjamin.

          ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C693EE.66D5E070-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27862 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2006 03:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2006 03:35:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.199) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2006 03:35:53 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id s1so1257737nze for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.227.51 with SMTP id z51mr8428968nzg; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from NewBaby ( [209.121.230.219]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m1sm4655228nzf.2006.06.19.20.35.51; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2e6101c6941a$a08f8a60$dbe679d1@NewBaby> To: References: <001401c69418$4fabe870$6a01a8c0@eddypc> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:32:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_2E4D_01C693DF.6FDE2F60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Stand Alone LCD Module X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=C2VU-XSTUQYgCbMmqikv7HTJtkMfhXHAXu5KHDhBGzOrwbKyuA X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 3908 Lines: 127 ------=_NextPart_000_2E4D_01C693DF.6FDE2F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A Model 100 TRS-80 works great for that. You see them on eBay all the time= . Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: Eddy Wright I need a= portable TTL serial device to communicate with microcontrollers. I use ser= ial communications to debug software and a wireless, portable device would = make my life a lot easier. I use a laptop now which is overkill for what I = need. I want to write a custom interface specific to the projects that I do= , primarily robotics and home automation. I've already decoded the keyboard= and built a prototype board, but I had to go with a different graphic LCD = which doesn't fit the original case. There are a few handheld serial ter= minals available commercially but none have the formfactor of a mailstation= . Eddy -----------------------------------------------------------= ------------------- ------=_NextPart_000_2E4D_01C693DF.6FDE2F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
           
          A Model 100 TRS-80 works great fo= r that. You see them on eBay all the time.
           
          Neil
           
          ----- Original Message -----
          =

          I n= eed a portable TTL serial device to communicate with microcontrollers. I= use serial communications to debug software and a wireless, portable de= vice would make my life a lot easier. I use a laptop now&= nbsp;which is overkill for what I need. I want to write a cust= om interface specific to the projects that I do, primarily robotics and = home automation. I've already decoded the keyboard and built a prototype= board, but I had to go with a different graphic LCD which doesn't fit t= he original case.
           
          There are a few= handheld serial terminals available commercially but none have the form= factor of a mailstation. 
           
          Eddy
           

          ------=_NextPart_000_2E4D_01C693DF.6FDE2F60-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68610 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2006 04:27:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2006 04:27:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.201) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2006 04:27:14 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 13so1185906nzp for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.91.5 with SMTP id o5mr6569290nzb; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.79.1 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:27:13 -0700 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001401c69418$4fabe870$6a01a8c0@eddypc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2493_12169581.1150777633576" References: <001701c69415$2d908d70$1565a8c0@computer1> <001401c69418$4fabe870$6a01a8c0@eddypc> X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "John R." From: "John R." Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Stand Alone LCD Module X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=umdPqBC9hBvxks7j-mBBNY-29sYVg6FyAGramxvBJMLgMqW1Ug X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 363 Lines: 13 ------=_Part_2493_12169581.1150777633576 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline [ Attachment content not displayed ] ------=_Part_2493_12169581.1150777633576 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline [ Attachment content not displayed ] ------=_Part_2493_12169581.1150777633576-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: eddy@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21383 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2006 06:36:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2006 06:36:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc13.comcast.net) (204.127.200.83) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2006 06:36:08 -0000 Received: from eddypc (c-67-176-143-74.hsd1.il.comcast.net[67.176.143.74]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2006062005354801300mhrile>; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 05:35:48 +0000 To: Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:35:38 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c6942b$5ccd97c0$6a01a8c0@eddypc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C69401.73F78FC0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaUIc69zSYECYciQzWo6O69+nRRDgACSgew In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Eddy Wright" Subject: RE: [mailstation] Stand Alone LCD Module X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113220603; y=cRWC1NZM6rsbrmNDgdrIw4W7Pi3vuMX273lLxjCMZ-HuCKEo5g X-Yahoo-Profile: eddywright Status: RO Content-Length: 5789 Lines: 180 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C69401.73F78FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the suggestion guys. Since I want to make it wireless, I'll end up needing to customize any unit that I find. I was considering the mail station because of the graphic LCD, but I may take a look at the Tandys and see if I can hack the LCD in one of those. I've not had much luck on the mailstation so far... Eddy _____ From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John R. Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 11:27 PM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mailstation] Stand Alone LCD Module On 6/19/06, Eddy Wright wrote: I need a portable TTL serial device to communicate with microcontrollers. I use serial communications to debug software and a wireless, portable device would make my life a lot easier. I use a laptop now which is overkill for what I need. I want to write a custom interface specific to the projects that I do, primarily robotics and home automation. I've already decoded the keyboard and built a prototype board, but I had to go with a different graphic LCD which doesn't fit the original case. There are a few handheld serial terminals available commercially but none have the formfactor of a mailstation. Eddy Here are a few laptops ready to work for this purpose: Model 100, 200, 102 Tandy WP-2 Cambridge Z88 Amstrad NC100, NC200 All have similar form factor to the Mailstation, and actually have much better keyboards. They all have a built-in terminal program. The WP-2, Z88, NC100, NC200 will give you an 80 column screen. However I like the simplicity and the community of users of the Model T: Tandy 102 and Tandy 200 myself, though these units only have a 40 column screen. -- John. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C69401.73F78FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
          Thanks for the suggestio= n guys.  Since I want to make it wireless, I'll end up needing to cus= tomize any unit that I find. I was considering the mail station because of= the graphic LCD, but I may take a look at the Tandys and see if I can hac= k the LCD in one of those. I've not had much luck on the mailstation so fa= r...
           = ;
          Eddy
           

          <= DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft>
          From: mailstation@yahoogr= oups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John R.<= BR>Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 11:27 PM
          To: mailstation@= yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [mailstation] Stand Alone LCD Modul= e



          On 6/19/06, Eddy Wrigh= t <eddy@...= > wrote:
          I need a portable TTL serial device to communicat= e with microcontrollers. I use serial communications to debug software a= nd a wireless, portable device would make my life a lot easier.&nbs= p;I use a laptop now which is overkill for what I need.&n= bsp;I want to write a custom interface specific to the projects that I d= o, primarily robotics and home automation. I've already decoded the keyb= oard and built a prototype board, but I had to go with a different graph= ic LCD which doesn't fit the original case.
          =  
          There are a few handheld serial termin= als available commercially but none have the formfactor of a mailstation= . 
           
          Ed= dy

          Here are a few la= ptops ready to work for this purpose:

          Model 100, 200, 102
          Tandy = WP-2
          Cambridge Z88
          Amstrad NC100, NC200

          All have similar form = factor to the Mailstation, and actually have much better keyboards. They a= ll have a built-in terminal program. The WP-2, Z88, NC100, NC200 will give= you an 80 column screen. However I like the simplicity and the community = of users of the Model T: Tandy 102 and Tandy 200 myself, though these unit= s only have a 40 column screen.

          -- John.

          ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C69401.73F78FC0-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: mikewarns@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74847 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2006 15:21:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2006 15:21:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web36711.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (209.191.85.45) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2006 15:21:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 87936 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jun 2006 15:21:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20060620152148.87934.qmail@...> Received: from [12.165.134.30] by web36711.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:21:48 PDT Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:21:48 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1396539952-1150816908=:85761" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Mike Warns Subject: What I'm getting out of this exchange... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91580299; y=t8L3SeYa4WCdF4JxRf1XB5VHuAKFyD6m37DoiKpiN2eD4UOO X-Yahoo-Profile: mikewarns Status: RO Content-Length: 1364 Lines: 17 --0-1396539952-1150816908=:85761 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ...is that everybody has pretty much given up on turning the Mailstation into the next Model 100 or a forth laptop and that the most satisfying thing most of us have managed is to get it to use an email service besides Earthlink. Am I right or have I been missing out on the great leaps forward because my computer has placed me on a diet and is refusing cookies from Yahoo Groups? --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. --0-1396539952-1150816908=:85761 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ...is that everybody has pretty much given up on turning the Mailstation into the next Model 100 or a forth laptop and that the most satisfying thing most of us have managed is to get it to use an email service besides Earthlink.  Am I right or have I been missing out on the great leaps forward because my computer has placed me on a diet and is refusing cookies from Yahoo Groups?

          Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. --0-1396539952-1150816908=:85761-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93304 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2006 15:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2006 15:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.203) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2006 15:27:20 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i11so1594975nzh for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:27:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.41.2 with SMTP id o2mr5750345nzo; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:27:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.79.1 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:27:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:27:18 -0700 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060620152148.87934.qmail@...> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4448_8926007.1150817238269" References: <20060620152148.87934.qmail@...> X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "John R." From: "John R." Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] What I'm getting out of this exchange... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=8heSClcwOiOiiB2X1O6iyF-tt1kuLywYQ62ot3QxronyEApK-w X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 360 Lines: 13 ------=_Part_4448_8926007.1150817238269 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline [ Attachment content not displayed ] ------=_Part_4448_8926007.1150817238269 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline [ Attachment content not displayed ] ------=_Part_4448_8926007.1150817238269-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71884 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2006 18:18:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2006 18:18:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.183) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2006 18:18:09 -0000 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id e30so1674532pya for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.45.14 with SMTP id x14mr10043429pyj; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from NewBaby ( [209.121.230.219]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m39sm1770833pye.2006.06.20.11.15.57; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <020a01c69495$933415e0$dbe679d1@NewBaby> To: References: <20060620152148.87934.qmail@...> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 11:08:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0081_01C69459.D048A5E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] What I'm getting out of this exchange... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=LmibVmhFpMbmBs5Won3GbdTm0WI9xopuggoIM1C1INYepInrJA X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 2651 Lines: 83 ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C69459.D048A5E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, we still want to do that. It's a matter of time - it's not a trivial ta= sk. Earthlink are getting out of that business, perhaps they will release t= he codes etc? Couldn't hurt to ask. Neil ----- Original Message ----- = From: Mike Warns ...is that everybody has pretty much given up on t= urning the Mailstation into the next Model 100 or a forth laptop and that t= he most satisfying thing most of us have managed is to get it to use an ema= il service besides Earthlink. Am I right or have I been missing out on the= great leaps forward because my computer has placed me on a diet and is ref= using cookies from Yahoo Groups? ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C69459.D048A5E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
          No, we still want to do that. It's a matter of time - it's not a trivial= task. Earthlink are getting out of that business, perhaps they will relea= se the codes etc? Couldn't hurt to ask.
           
          Neil
           
           
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Mike Warns
          <= DIV>

          ...is that= everybody has pretty much given up on turning the Mailstation into the = next Model 100 or a forth laptop and that the most satisfying thing= most of us have managed is to get it to use an email service besides Ea= rthlink.  Am I right or have I been missing out on the great leaps = forward because my computer has placed me on a diet and is refusing cookies= from Yahoo Groups?

          ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C69459.D048A5E0-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34814 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2006 20:25:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2006 20:25:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.189) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2006 20:25:34 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n22.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2006 20:25:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2006 20:25:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2006 20:25:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:25:33 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060620152148.87934.qmail@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: What I'm getting out of this exchange... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=tZjYAwEVj10GnxHcd9rHtnf3nWvcvqSNKZsa1_y37je_TVAekYiBAuWTDA X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 379 Lines: 19 --- Mike Warns wrote: > > ...is that everybody has pretty m= uch given up on turning the > Mailstation into the next Model 100 or a for= th laptop I haven't given up. It has been probably more than 6 months si= nce I have done much, though. Kind of burned out I guess. It does seem to= be capable of sucking up an unlimited amount of time! :-) --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3621 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2006 21:32:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2006 21:32:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2006 21:32:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2006 21:32:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jun 2006 21:32:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:32:48 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Stand Alone LCD Module X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=fZFNuXORPK2Isf0K1sLGsNUY_j4JQK3e_LQPJd2BR7U9KZf-ymoP-sQydA X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1774 Lines: 74 --- "benjaminmaggi" wrote: > > Hi, > I've carefully rea= d all data on this board regarding > LCD pinouts and the work flow approxi= mations. (Message #38, > and the .doc file) > With this info and and some = coffee i decided to hack > the LCD module of one of my 2 mailstation DTE1,= > and hook it up to the parallel port of my PC. > Of course i realized = there's > not enough data on this matter to proceed > with this task (timi= ngs, and so on...), i know most of > the documentation for this little bab= y is done by pure > brute force hacking. :) I would bet that the timing i= s not important, as long as you don't try to go too fast, and I would guess= that the parallel port would not be able to go too fast for the LCD. How = are you gonna make the physical connection? That is probably the hardest p= art. Oh, and you will need a latch or a counter, since parallel port does = not have enough bits to drive the LCD data, address, and control signals di= rectly. But what I would recommend for controlling the LCD is the mailstat= ions CPU board. It has the right connector for the LCD ribbon cable, and h= eck, it is even already plugged into it! > Still i wonder if any one has r= eached some level of > communications with the LCD ???? There is an examp= le "Hello World" program in the files section, http://groups.yahoo.com/grou= p/mailstation/files/Mailbug/mailbug_0.0.3/hello/ That hello world prog wil= l work on the old or the newer mailstations. There is a more complex examp= le, with scrolling screen output and keyboard input, but it is just for the= older mailstations. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/files/Mailbu= g/scancode/ --CJ > Any help will be very appreciated. > > Benjamin. > = From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: mark.kall@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7294 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2006 17:38:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2006 17:38:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.155) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2006 17:38:30 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n12.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2006 17:38:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2006 17:38:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2006 17:38:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:38:10 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "mgkall" Subject: using the Mailstation for email X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=218763696; y=Ky8_3TWHczIEwDGHF6awtS0kz_SPKFgNtlUroUgT3xl_ X-Yahoo-Profile: mgkall Status: RO Content-Length: 665 Lines: 25 If someone could figure out: 1/ how to stop the Mailstation from sending th= e XTND command, that would make it useful again on many POP3 services. Whe= n it send the XTND command and gets -err back, it basically decides the ma= ilserver is busy and disconnects. Some old POP3 servers ignored the XTND a= nd did not send -err but many today do send the -err and make the Mailsta= tion useless for email. 2/ if someone could figure out how to make the mai= lstation authenticate for sending mail as many POP3 services now want aut= hentication to prevent spammers from using their servers, we could use the= mailstations with many more POP3 services. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63522 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2006 20:39:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2006 20:39:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.179) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2006 20:39:34 -0000 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id i49so77805pyi for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.82.15 with SMTP id j15mr264749pyl; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from NewBaby ( [209.121.230.219]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id t5sm185189pyc.2006.06.21.13.36.27; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <050f01c69572$5e9596f0$dbe679d1@NewBaby> To: References: Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:26:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0503_01C69536.563B0940" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] using the Mailstation for email X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=B0ih-EfyyEQ6Kub3LVdzRgcFSNRHsAoqYRuEd3L4OCk-RhDoCA X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 2948 Lines: 101 ------=_NextPart_000_0503_01C69536.563B0940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If we can really crack the system code we can do all of that and more. Reg= ards, Neil Morrison ----- Original Message ----- From: mgkall I= f someone could figure out: 1/ how to stop the Mailstation from sending t= he XTND command, that would make it useful again on many POP3 services. = When it send the XTND command and gets -err back, it basically decides t= he mailserver is busy and disconnects. Some old POP3 servers ignored the= XTND and did not send -err but many today do send the -err and make the= Mailstation useless for email. 2/ if someone could figure out how to= make the mailstation authenticate for sending mail as many POP3 service= s now want authentication to prevent spammers from using their servers, = we could use the mailstations with many more POP3 services. ------=_NextPart_000_0503_01C69536.563B0940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
          If we can really crack the system code we can do all of that and more.

          Regards,
           
          N= eil Morrison
          ----- Original Message ----- <= /DIV>
          From: mgkall

          If someone could figure out:
          1/ how to sto= p the Mailstation from sending the XTND command, that
          would make it = useful again on many POP3 services. When it send the
          XTND command an= d gets -err back, it basically decides the mailserver
          is busy and di= sconnects. Some old POP3 servers ignored the XTND and
          did not send -= err but many today do send the -err and make the
          Mailstation useless= for email.

          2/ if someone could figure out how to make the mailst= ation
          authenticate for sending mail as many POP3 services now want <= BR>authentication to prevent spammers from using their servers, we could=
          use the mailstations with many more POP3 services.

          <= /DIV>
          ------=_NextPart_000_0503_01C69536.563B0940-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69469 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2006 15:52:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2006 15:52:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (208.186.161.99) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2006 15:52:30 -0000 Received: from computer1 (computer1.handypage5.net [192.168.101.21]) by www.handypage.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/netmax) with SMTP id k5MFvurT026753 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:57:57 -0700 To: Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:52:17 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c69613$d740efe0$1565a8c0@computer1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C695D9.2AE39E80" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <050f01c69572$5e9596f0$dbe679d1@NewBaby> X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "wayne" Reply-To: Subject: RE: [mailstation] using the Mailstation for email X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=TIxndqyAJI8T_WfL4DVhVM-Z5rGaVtK6zojRCTjSKSTfgfajTzMXtw X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 16130 Lines: 456 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C695D9.2AE39E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Essentially, what you need is a full decode of the program that is in the mailstation !! The place to start, is the US patent office, and look at the patent's that are on the unit. After reading one of them it gives you an idea of how the unit works, and what format it uses to do that with. But what is needed is for somebody that understands the program language or code that it is programmed in to dump it out on paper, and then it can be re-constructed to do what is needed. I used to work with the Z80 code, way back in my life time. Now I think they have a computer program that will take the data and print the programming out for you. On the newer units, I am not sure what computer code they are using ?? We still have not really figured out how the parallel port programs the unit on all versions at this point. That is needed to fully allow anything to happen. I would like to find who the manufacturer of the unit is ?? Somebody built these, and it wasn't Earthlink ??? It would even be nice to be able to have a unit re-programmed to the original programming, or get a unit repaired. Earthlink cannot repair these units nor direct you to anybody that can !!! Unfortunately, there are some people who do know these units but can only talk about them so much because they are still being used by Earthlink, and those people have contracts with Earthlink to provide services for these units. If Earthlink ever decides to drop the units, and no longer allow them on their system, then maybe these people would be able to talk about the units and their programming more. But until that happens, I can understand why they would be reluctant to come forward and discuss anything. Although, it would be helpful to get some direction on getting bad units repaired or reprogrammed so they could at least go back in service on Earthlink !!!! As far as the units using XNTD signaling ?? I would assume that the unit could be reprogrammed to eliminate that signal. If you have an Email server you have control over, you could probably change the "Sendmail" or "Procmail" program on it to ignore or use the XNTD signal. But that is not the only item that this mail program does. It uses an MD5 encryption code for the unit. That code has to be sent correctly for the unit to program and possibly work correctly. It can only be sent in a MIME format, which leaves out most of the mail formats from sending it. What I am really surprised is, that NOBODY else has come out and built a mail machine to do something similar ?? You would think AOL or somebody else would do that ?? I know there is a use for the machines, I have 2 units out there at my relatives. They are not that computer literate, but they can use the mail units easily, and now they can't live without them. So somebody could build a unit that would work on any POP3 system and easily sell it !!!! All you need is a couple of 800 telephone trunks, and an Email/DNS Server unit, and you are in business. Just steer clear of the "Mailstation" patent. I don't think POP3 has a patent, but the "mailstation" unit does, so you would have to make a unit that was designed strictly for POP3, and was an open architecture, with none of the special MD5 keys and such that the mailstation was using. Good luck !!! Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil Morrison Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:27 PM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mailstation] using the Mailstation for email If we can really crack the system code we can do all of that and more. Regards, Neil Morrison ----- Original Message ----- From: mgkall If someone could figure out: 1/ how to stop the Mailstation from sending the XTND command, that would make it useful again on many POP3 services. When it send the XTND command and gets -err back, it basically decides the mailserver is busy and disconnects. Some old POP3 servers ignored the XTND and did not send -err but many today do send the -err and make the Mailstation useless for email. 2/ if someone could figure out how to make the mailstation authenticate for sending mail as many POP3 services now want authentication to prevent spammers from using their servers, we could use the mailstations with many more POP3 services. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C695D9.2AE39E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
          Essentially, what you need is a full dec= ode of the program that is in the mailstation !!
          =  
          The place to start, is the US paten= t office, and look at the patent's that are on the unit.
          After reading one of them it gives you an idea of how the unit w= orks, and what format it
          uses to do that with.=
           
          But what is= needed is for somebody that understands the program language or code that=
          it is programmed in to dump it out on paper, a= nd then it can be re-constructed to do what is
          needed.
           
          I us= ed to work with the Z80 code, way back in my life time. Now I think they h= ave a computer
          <= FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>program that will take the data= and print the programming out for you.  On the newer units,
          I am not sure what computer code they are using ??
           
          We still have n= ot really figured out how the parallel port programs the unit on all versi= ons
          at this point. That is needed to fully allo= w anything to happen.
           
          I would like to find who the manufacturer of the unit is ?? = ; Somebody built these, and it
          wasn't Earthlin= k ???  It would even be nice to be able to have a unit re-programmed = to the
          original programming, or get a unit repa= ired.  Earthlink cannot repair these units nor direct you
          to anybody that can !!!
           
          Unfortunately, there are some people who do kn= ow these units but can only talk about them
          so = much because they are still being used by Earthlink, and those people have= contracts with
          = Earthlink to provide services = for these units.
          =  
          If Earthlink ever decides to drop the units, and no longer allow them= on their system, then maybe
          these people woul= d be able to talk about the units and their programming more. But until th= at happens,
          I can understand why they would be = reluctant to come forward and discuss anything.
          <= SPAN class=3D013041715-22062006> 
          Although, it would be helpful to get s= ome direction on getting bad units repaired or reprogrammed so
          they could at least go back in service on Earthlink !!!!
           
          As far as the= units using XNTD signaling ??   I would assume that the unit co= uld be reprogrammed to
          eliminate that signal.&= nbsp; If you have an Email server you have control over, you could pr= obably change the
          "Sendmail" or "Procmail" pro= gram on it to ignore or use the XNTD signal.  But that is not the onl= y
          item that this mail program does. It uses an = MD5 encryption code for the unit.  That code has to be<= /DIV>
          sent correctly for the unit to program and possibly work corr= ectly.  It can only be sent in a MIME format,
          which leaves out most of the mail formats from sending it.
           
          What I am really surpr= ised is, that NOBODY else has come out and built a mail machine to do some= thing
          similar ?? You would think AOL or somebo= dy else would do that ??  I know there is a use for the machines,
          I have 2 units out there at my relatives.  Th= ey are not that computer literate, but they can use the mail units<= /SPAN>
          easily, and now they can't live without them. So someb= ody could build a unit that would work on any POP3
          system and easily sell it !!!!  All you need is a couple of 800 = telephone trunks, and an Email/DNS Server
          unit,= and you are in business.  Just steer clear of the "Mailstation" pat= ent.  I don't think POP3 has a patent,
          but = the "mailstation" unit does, so you would have to make a unit that was des= igned strictly for POP3,
          and was an open archi= tecture, with none of the special MD5 keys and such that the mailstation w= as using.
           
          Goo= d luck !!!
           
          = Wayne
           
          =
          -----Original Message-----
          From: mailstation@yaho= ogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil= Morrison
          Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:27 PM
          To:= mailstation@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [mailstation] using = the Mailstation for email

          =

          If we can really crack the system code we can do = all of that and more.

          Regards,
           
          Neil Morrison
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: mgkall
          =

          If someone could figure o= ut:
          1/ how to stop the Mailstation from sending the XTND command, t= hat
          would make it useful again on many POP3 services. When it send= the
          XTND command and gets -err back, it basically decides the mai= lserver
          is busy and disconnects. Some old POP3 servers ignored the= XTND and
          did not send -err but many today do send the -err and ma= ke the
          Mailstation useless for email.

          2/ if someone could f= igure out how to make the mailstation
          authenticate for sending mail as = many POP3 services now want
          authentication to prevent spammers fro= m using their servers, we could
          use the mailstations with many mor= e POP3 services.

          ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C695D9.2AE39E80-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: niklaus37217@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9042 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2006 19:23:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2006 19:23:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web55301.mail.re4.yahoo.com) (206.190.58.180) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2006 19:23:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 89891 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jun 2006 19:23:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20060622192354.89889.qmail@...> Received: from [170.143.252.32] by web55301.mail.re4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:23:54 PDT Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:23:54 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000901c69613$d740efe0$1565a8c0@computer1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Gary Clouse Subject: RE: [mailstation] using the Mailstation for email X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=154404643; y=LyDXVATQhfQ5a_q-5mMc0rwA87vf1IXl0jtJ2yz1ml4OcWCNZop4 X-Yahoo-Profile: niklaus37217 Status: RO Content-Length: 5456 Lines: 185 The mailstations were originally sold under the brand name Cidco. The processor is not actually a z80, but a z80 compatible microcontroller with several enhancements, including several on-chip serial and parallel ports. The cpu appears to be a either a house numbered and or discontinued variant of a Rabbit Semiconductors 2000. Rabbit Semiconductor does not list the processor, but it is similar to the chips used in some of the TI programmable calculators. Somewhere on this board is a complete memory dump of one of the models. --- wayne wrote: > Essentially, what you need is a full decode of the > program that is in the > mailstation !! > > The place to start, is the US patent office, and > look at the patent's that > are on the unit. > After reading one of them it gives you an idea of > how the unit works, and > what format it > uses to do that with. > > But what is needed is for somebody that understands > the program language or > code that > it is programmed in to dump it out on paper, and > then it can be > re-constructed to do what is > needed. > > I used to work with the Z80 code, way back in my > life time. Now I think they > have a computer > program that will take the data and print the > programming out for you. On > the newer units, > I am not sure what computer code they are using ?? > > We still have not really figured out how the > parallel port programs the unit > on all versions > at this point. That is needed to fully allow > anything to happen. > > I would like to find who the manufacturer of the > unit is ?? Somebody built > these, and it > wasn't Earthlink ??? It would even be nice to be > able to have a unit > re-programmed to the > original programming, or get a unit repaired. > Earthlink cannot repair these > units nor direct you > to anybody that can !!! > > Unfortunately, there are some people who do know > these units but can only > talk about them > so much because they are still being used by > Earthlink, and those people > have contracts with > Earthlink to provide services for these units. > > If Earthlink ever decides to drop the units, and no > longer allow them on > their system, then maybe > these people would be able to talk about the units > and their programming > more. But until that happens, > I can understand why they would be reluctant to come > forward and discuss > anything. > > Although, it would be helpful to get some direction > on getting bad units > repaired or reprogrammed so > they could at least go back in service on Earthlink > !!!! > > As far as the units using XNTD signaling ?? I > would assume that the unit > could be reprogrammed to > eliminate that signal. If you have an Email server > you have control over, > you could probably change the > "Sendmail" or "Procmail" program on it to ignore or > use the XNTD signal. > But that is not the only > item that this mail program does. It uses an MD5 > encryption code for the > unit. That code has to be > sent correctly for the unit to program and possibly > work correctly. It can > only be sent in a MIME format, > which leaves out most of the mail formats from > sending it. > > What I am really surprised is, that NOBODY else has > come out and built a > mail machine to do something > similar ?? You would think AOL or somebody else > would do that ?? I know > there is a use for the machines, > I have 2 units out there at my relatives. They are > not that computer > literate, but they can use the mail units > easily, and now they can't live without them. So > somebody could build a unit > that would work on any POP3 > system and easily sell it !!!! All you need is a > couple of 800 telephone > trunks, and an Email/DNS Server > unit, and you are in business. Just steer clear of > the "Mailstation" > patent. I don't think POP3 has a patent, > but the "mailstation" unit does, so you would have > to make a unit that was > designed strictly for POP3, > and was an open architecture, with none of the > special MD5 keys and such > that the mailstation was using. > > Good luck !!! > > Wayne > > -----Original Message----- > From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On > Behalf Of Neil Morrison > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:27 PM > To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [mailstation] using the Mailstation > for email > > > > If we can really crack the system code we can do > all of that and more. > > Regards, > > Neil Morrison > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mgkall > > > If someone could figure out: > 1/ how to stop the Mailstation from sending the > XTND command, that > would make it useful again on many POP3 > services. When it send the > XTND command and gets -err back, it basically > decides the mailserver > is busy and disconnects. Some old POP3 servers > ignored the XTND and > did not send -err but many today do send the > -err and make the > Mailstation useless for email. > > 2/ if someone could figure out how to make the > mailstation > authenticate for sending mail as many POP3 > services now want > authentication to prevent spammers from using > their servers, we could > use the mailstations with many more POP3 > services. > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: niklaus37217@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19252 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2006 19:28:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2006 19:28:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web55307.mail.re4.yahoo.com) (206.190.58.186) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2006 19:28:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 69322 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jun 2006 19:28:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20060622192827.69320.qmail@...> Received: from [170.143.252.32] by web55307.mail.re4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:28:27 PDT Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:28:27 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <020a01c69495$933415e0$dbe679d1@NewBaby> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Gary Clouse Subject: Re: [mailstation] What I'm getting out of this exchange... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=154404643; y=kg2fUaEO9n1QPEXgiW4RFOm8JY7OYPU8P-qCWTXwXmMh1V4OOuRP X-Yahoo-Profile: niklaus37217 Status: RO Content-Length: 990 Lines: 34 Is there such a beast as a mailstation emulator? The would be the way to go for testing and debugging new code.. --- Neil Morrison wrote: > No, we still want to do that. It's a matter of time > - it's not a trivial task. Earthlink are getting out > of that business, perhaps they will release the > codes etc? Couldn't hurt to ask. > > Neil > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike Warns > > > ...is that everybody has pretty much given up on > turning the Mailstation into the next Model 100 or a > forth laptop and that the most satisfying thing most > of us have managed is to get it to use an email > service besides Earthlink. Am I right or have I > been missing out on the great leaps forward because > my computer has placed me on a diet and is refusing > cookies from Yahoo Groups? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: niklaus37217@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55868 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2006 19:40:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2006 19:40:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web55314.mail.re4.yahoo.com) (206.190.58.193) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2006 19:40:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 93062 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Jun 2006 19:40:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20060622194019.93060.qmail@...> Received: from [170.143.252.32] by web55314.mail.re4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:40:19 PDT Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:40:19 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <002a01c693b7$ccf563d0$6a01a8c0@eddypc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Gary Clouse Subject: RE: [mailstation] Stand Alone LCD Module X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=154404643; y=TQaTdeRibOdB7Kn8dG3KIgic93KfebJTCYMw8tAj31nGwf3Uw-09 X-Yahoo-Profile: niklaus37217 Status: RO Content-Length: 2075 Lines: 85 It might be easier to hack the base unit for a mailstation 350 wireless to bypass the modem. As for the tandy 100s and wp2 laptops, the serial ports are not ttl compatible, but in the case of the model 100, they have a system bus that is accessible. --- Eddy Wright wrote: > I'd love to replace the main board with one of my > own. I'd have to build a > driver for the LCD display or find a way to salvage > the existing one. > > I want to build a custom wireless serial terminal > and the mailstation is an > excellent form factor for that. > > Eddy > http://www.wrighthobbies.net > > > _____ > > From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of wayne > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 10:26 AM > To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [mailstation] Stand Alone LCD Module > > > > > What is it you are trying to do with this LCD unit > ?? > Maybe there is a better way ??? > > Wayne > Iwireless > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On > Behalf Of benjaminmaggi > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:49 AM > To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [mailstation] Stand Alone LCD Module > > > > Hi, > I've carefully read all data on this board regarding > LCD pinouts and > the work flow approximations. (Message #38, and the > .doc file) > With this info and and some coffee i decided to hack > the LCD module of > one of my 2 mailstation DTE1, and hook it up to the > parallel port of > my PC. > Of course i realized there's not enough data on this > matter to proceed > with this task (timings, and so on...), i know most > of the > documentation for this little baby is done by pure > brute force hacking. :) > Still i wonder if any one has reached some level of > communications > with the LCD ???? > Any help will be very appreciated. > > Benjamin. > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58379 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2006 19:53:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2006 19:53:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.179) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2006 19:53:42 -0000 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c39so431762pyd for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.111.14 with SMTP id o14mr1437659pym; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from NewBaby ( [209.121.230.219]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id r66sm1266469pye.2006.06.22.12.53.41; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <073301c69635$8f7ced40$dbe679d1@NewBaby> To: References: <20060622192827.69320.qmail@...> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:45:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] What I'm getting out of this exchange... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=x-e81zCxxxYQpB1HPaqMyUfF90poDeU54W4maqPSwsVnPlfvmw X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 318 Lines: 14 You'd need to analyze the code to make one. This sort of work has been done before, as in the TRS-80 computers which were thoroughly analyzed. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Clouse > Is there such a beast as a mailstation emulator? The would be the way to go for testing and debugging new code.. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: eddy@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79940 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2006 20:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2006 20:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 911.alink.namesdepot.net) (207.44.152.83) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2006 20:41:15 -0000 Received: from LAPL3TWWVP (user-152-140-112-132.mcd.com [152.140.112.132]) (authenticated bits=0) by 911.alink.namesdepot.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k5MKfAZt031803 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:41:10 -0500 Message-ID: <001801c6963c$35322240$03e38c98@...> To: References: <20060622194019.93060.qmail@...> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:41:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C69612.4C0E2150" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Eddy Wright" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Stand Alone LCD Module X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113220603; y=ieTgPWdw-_XE8mIh387GuyGBwmu3MXyYSwy577KRD5OYM2VnTA X-Yahoo-Profile: eddywright Status: RO Content-Length: 8800 Lines: 309 ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C69612.4C0E2150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At this point, I'll probably scavenge the parts I need from a couple of sou= rces including a keyboard from the mailstation or a Tandy (I have both) and= make a custom case for it all. I've built the unit around an Atmel AVR co= ntroller with a graphic LCD. I was trying to avoid making a custom case bu= t I think it will be easier to build the case than to try and connect to th= e existing LCD controller. I'm not familiar enough with the processors in = the mailstation or the Tandys to try and write a new application for them. = It's easier for me to replace the main board with a microcontroller that I = work with regularly. Thanks for the suggestions! Eddy ----- Original Me= ssage ----- From: Gary Clouse To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Sent= : Thursday, June 22, 2006 2:40 PM Subject: RE: [mailstation] Stand Alone = LCD Module It might be easier to hack the base unit for a mailstation= 350 wireless to bypass the modem. As for the tandy 100s and wp2 laptops,= the serial ports are not ttl compatible, but in the case of the model 10= 0, they have a system bus that is accessible. --- Eddy Wright wrote: > I'd love to replace the main board with one of= my > own. I'd have to build a > driver for the LCD display or find a w= ay to salvage > the existing one. > > I want to build a custom wirel= ess serial terminal > and the mailstation is an > excellent form factor= for that. > > Eddy > http://www.wrighthobbies.net > > > ___= __ > > From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:mailstation@yaho= ogroups.com] On > Behalf Of wayne > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 10:26 A= M > To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [mailstation] Stand = Alone LCD Module > > > > > What is it you are trying to do wi= th this LCD unit > ?? > Maybe there is a better way ??? > > Wayne = > Iwireless > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mailstatio= n@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On > Behalf Of = benjaminmaggi > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:49 AM > To: mailstation@y= ahoogroups.com > Subject: [mailstation] Stand Alone LCD Module > > = > > Hi, > I've carefully read all data on this board regarding > L= CD pinouts and > the work flow approximations. (Message #38, and the > = .doc file) > With this info and and some coffee i decided to hack > the= LCD module of > one of my 2 mailstation DTE1, and hook it up to the > = parallel port of > my PC. > Of course i realized there's not enough dat= a on this > matter to proceed > with this task (timings, and so on...),= i know most > of the > documentation for this little baby is done by p= ure > brute force hacking. :) > Still i wonder if any one has reached s= ome level of > communications > with the LCD ???? > Any help will be = very appreciated. > > Benjamin. > > > > > __________= ________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? = Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com = ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C69612.4C0E2150 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
          At= this point, I'll probably scavenge the parts I need from a couple of sour= ces including a keyboard from the mailstation or a Tandy (I have both)&nbs= p;and make a custom case for it all.  I've built the unit around an A= tmel AVR controller with a graphic LCD.  I was trying to avoid making= a custom case but I think it will be easier to build the case than to try= and connect to the existing LCD controller.
           
          I'm = not familiar enough with the processors in the mailstation or the Tandys t= o try and write a new application for them. It's easier for me to replace = the main board with a microcontroller that I work with regularly.
           
          Thanks for the suggestions!
          Eddy
           
          ----- = Original Message -----
          <= DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">To: mailstation@yahoogroup= s.com
          Sent: Thursday= , June 22, 2006 2:40 PM
          Subje= ct: RE: [mailstation] Stand Alone LCD Module

          =

          It might be easier to hack the base unit for a=
          mailstation 350 wireless to bypass the modem. As for
          the tandy 10= 0s and wp2 laptops, the serial ports are
          not ttl compatible, but in t= he case of the model 100,
          they have a system bus that is accessible.<= BR>
          --- Eddy Wright <edd= y@wrighthobbies.com> wrote:

          > I'd love to replace = the main board with one of my
          > own. I'd have to build a
          > d= river for the LCD display or find a way to salvage
          > the existing = one.
          >
          > I want to build a custom wireless serial terminal<= BR>> and the mailstation is an
          > excellent form factor for that= .
          >
          > Eddy
          > http://www.wrighthobbies.net
          >
          >
          > _____ <= BR>>
          > From: = mailstation@yahoogroups.com
          > [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com= ] On
          > Behalf Of wayne
          > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 10:= 26 AM
          > To: ma= ilstation@yahoogroups.com
          > Subject: RE: [mailstatio= n] Stand Alone LCD Module
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > Wh= at is it you are trying to do with this LCD unit
          > ??
          > Mayb= e there is a better way ???
          >
          > Wayne
          > Iwireless
          = >
          >
          > -----Original Message-----
          > From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
          > [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On
          > Behalf Of be= njaminmaggi
          > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:49 AM
          > To: mailstation@yahoogroup= s.com
          > Subject: [mailstation] Stand Alone LCD Module
          = >
          >
          >
          > Hi,
          > I've carefully read all data= on this board regarding
          > LCD pinouts and
          > the work flow a= pproximations. (Message #38, and the
          > .doc file)
          > With thi= s info and and some coffee i decided to hack
          > the LCD module of> one of my 2 mailstation DTE1, and hook it up to the
          > paral= lel port of
          > my PC.
          > Of course i realized there's not enou= gh data on this
          > matter to proceed
          > with this task (timing= s, and so on...), i know most
          > of the
          > documentation for t= his little baby is done by pure
          > brute force hacking. :)
          > = Still i wonder if any one has reached some level of
          > communicatio= ns
          > with the LCD ????
          > Any help will be very appreciated.<= BR>>
          > Benjamin.
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > =

          _____________________________________________= _____
          Do You Yahoo!?
          Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best = spam protection around
          http://mail= .yahoo.com

          ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C69612.4C0E2150-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62547 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 03:27:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 03:27:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.204) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 03:27:04 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n13.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 03:26:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 03:26:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 03:26:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 03:26:29 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060622192354.89889.qmail@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: using the Mailstation for email X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=_HZdiJjFSkgkLd0EpzTeHbuv4iQIlhrWhJmGv_jVSnQPAMbPd1QcbaVg0Q X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1800 Lines: 74 --- Gary Clouse wrote: > > The mailstations were origin= ally sold under the brand > name Cidco. The processor is not actually a z80= , but a > z80 compatible microcontroller with several > enhancements, inclu= ding several on-chip serial and > parallel ports. The cpu appears to be a e= ither a house > numbered and or discontinued variant of a Rabbit > Semicond= uctors 2000. Rabbit Semiconductor does not > list the processor, but it is = similar to the chips > used in some of the TI programmable calculators. Th= e mailstation was manufactured by Inventec, for Cidco. Inventec also manufa= ctured several of TI's calculators, and the TI Avigo PDA. You said "The cp= u appears to be a either a house numbered and or discontinued variant of a = Rabbit Semiconductors 2000". Can you tell us why it appears that way??? = I could be wrong, I often am, but here is why I think it is *NOT* a Rabbit= part: 1) The pinout does not match any Rabbit part. Not even close. A= re there any discontinued Rabbit parts? I think the 2000 may have been = the first part they made. 2) There appears to be no ROM or RAM built into = the 3SI176 (it has an address and data bus). The mailstations codefl= ash, dataflash, and ram are all in external chips. So, It would not have= /need a way to program internal flash. 3) If I remember correctly, the Rab= bit parts have extended opcodes that z80 does not have. Mailstation cod= e appears to use just standard z80 opcodes. 4) The rabbit bank-switchin= g seems quite a bit different than the mailstation's. The mailstation = does bank-switching more like the MSX, Gameboy, and Avigo. It has been = a few years since I did my research on this subject, but that is what I re= member finding. --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73338 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 04:40:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 04:40:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 04:40:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 04:40:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 04:40:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 04:40:05 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060622192827.69320.qmail@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: What I'm getting out of this exchange... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=W0n9vuqGBRQQKvuw0PpLK35HYGG1E-PljHINyGOaCtNCYaq8c3TlHphnHA X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 379 Lines: 21 --- Gary Clouse wrote: > > Is there such a beast as a ma= ilstation emulator? The > would be the way to go for testing and debugging = new > code.. If anyone has one, they haven't said anything about it here.= But it sure would be cool!!! I think we know enough about the mailstatio= n hardware to make one, but it is not a "one night" project. --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38323 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 04:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 04:47:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.179) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 04:47:35 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n12.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 04:47:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 04:47:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 04:47:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 04:47:28 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060622194019.93060.qmail@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Stand Alone LCD Module X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=1dTJQH4Ca7OCdTZjS1xHTqErBOcm_fuP1pSz7LI97s4gmygKhX8TdDMgyg X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 388 Lines: 25 --- Gary Clouse wrote: > > It might be easier to hack th= e base unit for a > mailstation 350 wireless to bypass the modem. The mod= em is in the main unit. The base unit is essentially a cordless phone base= . And the main unit has what amounts to the cordless handset built in. Yo= u would need another modem at the base end to recover serial data. --CJ = From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46542 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 07:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 07:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nz-out-0102.google.com) (64.233.162.206) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 07:17:55 -0000 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id n29so651650nzf for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 00:17:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.147.2 with SMTP id u2mr3337667nzd; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 00:17:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.46.20 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 00:17:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 00:17:45 -0700 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060622192827.69320.qmail@...> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <020a01c69495$933415e0$dbe679d1@NewBaby> <20060622192827.69320.qmail@...> X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "John R." From: "John R." Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] What I'm getting out of this exchange... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=zaO9whEygwhOrOCINsDptx2WUu1vMR8JKzUi8sVC8wQZ25nF_g X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 959 Lines: 24 On 6/22/06, Gary Clouse wrote: > Is there such a beast as a mailstation emulator? The > would be the way to go for testing and debugging new > code.. There would be less work to do to just develop code directly on real hardware, given the existence of Mailbug, Z80 assemblers, C compilers (like SDCC), etc. You would need to adapt the standard library to mailstation but that's less work than having to reverse engineer and document every component in the mailstation which is what would be needed to make an emulator. That said there are already CP/M emulators around which can run raw Z80 code, so you could do testing for large swaths of code in a CP/M environment. Anyway it's more fun to develop on "the real thing." At least that's my bias as an embedded systems developer. WIth mailbug you're doing "target debugging" anyway, so you get the advantages of working on a desktop while testing code on a real Mailstation. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79120 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 15:44:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 15:44:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (208.186.161.99) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 15:44:16 -0000 Received: from computer1 (computer1.handypage5.net [192.168.101.21]) by www.handypage.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/netmax) with SMTP id k5NFmb0U026396 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:48:37 -0700 To: Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:42:54 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c696db$b2014630$1565a8c0@computer1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C696A1.05A26E30" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "wayne" Reply-To: Subject: RE: [mailstation] Re: Stand Alone LCD Module X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=dpkLm35qnX4MDwV-Ld1Ss0XQxw7uWJQXCS7SIep3bmYfqerw1qQiGg X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 3165 Lines: 110 ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C696A1.05A26E30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 350 base unit also has an internal modem, as it has a telephone plug in to bypass the wireless unit. Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Cyrano Jones Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 9:47 PM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: [mailstation] Re: Stand Alone LCD Module --- Gary Clouse wrote: > > It might be easier to hack the base unit for a > mailstation 350 wireless to bypass the modem. The modem is in the main unit. The base unit is essentially a cordless phone base. And the main unit has what amounts to the cordless handset built in. You would need another modem at the base end to recover serial data. --CJ ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C696A1.05A26E30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
          350 base unit also has an internal = modem, as it has a telephone plug in to bypass
          = the wireless unit.
           
          =
          Wayne
           
          <= SPAN class=3D544504115-23062006> 
          -----Original Mes= sage-----
          From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstatio= n@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Cyrano Jones
          Sent: Thurs= day, June 22, 2006 9:47 PM
          To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
          = Subject: [mailstation] Re: Stand Alone LCD Module

          <= /DIV>

          --- Gary Clouse ...= > wrote:
          >
          > It might be easier to hack the base unit for= a
          > mailstation 350 wireless to bypass the modem.

          The mod= em is in the main unit.

          The base unit is essentially a cordless p= hone base.
          And the main unit has what amounts to the cordless
          han= dset built in.

          You would need another modem at the base end to re= cover
          serial data.

          --CJ

          <= /BLOCKQUOTE> ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C696A1.05A26E30-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18970 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 16:58:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jun 2006 16:58:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.180) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 16:58:49 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n13.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 16:53:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 16:53:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2006 16:53:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 16:53:56 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000a01c696db$b2014630$1565a8c0@computer1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="8-6513500999-5409396812=:6" X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Stand Alone LCD Module X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=jtlk1S29Q4yrV3mmKPJq-jAoEvZJVk5e9pb-HzM43STOamF6EBr9X0jYqA X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1293 Lines: 53 --8-6513500999-5409396812=:6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "wayne" wrote: > > 350 ba= se unit also has an internal modem, as it has a telephone plug in to > bypa= ss the wireless unit. The modem is in the main unit. The base unit: rj= 14 on wall --- rj14 on base --+-- cordless phone base --- antenna | | desk= phone --- rj14 on base --+ The main unit: CPU --- Modem --- cordless = phone handset --- antenna --8-6513500999-5409396812=:6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
          --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "wayne" wrote:>
          > 350 base unit also has an internal modem, as it has a teleph= one plug in to
          > bypass  the wireless unit.


          The modem= is in the main unit.

          The base unit:

          rj14 on wall --- rj=
14 on base  --+-- cordless phone base --- antenna
                           =
                |
                                           |
            desk phone ---=
 rj14 on base  --+



          The main unit:

                        =
 CPU --- Modem --- cordless phone handset --- antenna



          = --8-6513500999-5409396812=:6-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: gplosker@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53196 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2006 16:50:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2006 16:50:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2006 16:50:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n16.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2006 16:49:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2006 16:49:57 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 16:49:54 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "plosg" Subject: Aunt not getting email to Mailstation 350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=154101101; y=-qpSUSY5weYCKmgyLXB6-1pKEZZn8P7Bgg0B3LtSU-I X-Yahoo-Profile: plosg Status: RO Content-Length: 974 Lines: 42 Hi All, My wife's aunt, has Earthlink and the Mailstation 350. She is 73 = years old and this represents the only way she can do email, which has be= come very important to her. Initially, she was able to sporadically recei= ve emails. Now, none are getting through. After going through which w= as her valid email account (i.e., the one with the number, the name@mailst= ation.com) and making sure we were sending plain text, she is still not re= ceiving any email on the Mailstation 350. Her outbound email does work. = We have logged on to the web client - www.earthlink.net - and we are able = to see her emails, but they don't get through to her. Does anyone have an= y ideas on this? Can the Earthlink customer service people help? In pr= evious discussions, a "hard re-set" has been mentioned. How is this done?= Unfortunately, we don't have the manual. Appreciate any help and thanks = to all of you. George Plosker gplosker@... From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90601 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2006 14:56:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2006 14:56:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (208.186.161.99) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2006 14:56:08 -0000 Received: from computer1 (computer1.handypage5.net [192.168.101.21]) by www.handypage.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/netmax) with SMTP id k5QF2F4r024461 for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 08:02:15 -0700 To: Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 07:56:21 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c69930$b0a4d430$1565a8c0@computer1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C698F6.0445FC30" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "wayne" Reply-To: Subject: RE: [mailstation] Aunt not getting email to Mailstation 350 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=Tjber9EhhRi53vBmL4pDyBwjyM9S69iR3-zL9g0irce1tguA3gBSCw X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 8894 Lines: 260 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C698F6.0445FC30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A few questions and then some suggestions !! One: Is the email account "Overloaded". There is a limit to the email accounts memory. Go delete anything that was over a week or two old. Then check it again. If she can still send email, then the unit sounds like it is working OK. TWO: Can you do a manual "Get mail" by pushing the email button, and see if it connects and gets the mail ??? If that is OK, then the "Times" that the unit goes to get mail is off or bad. THREE: Check the "settings" to see if everything is still correct, or was changed somehow ??? If it is still not working, call Earthlink tech support, and ask them to "RE-load" the authorization for the unit. You will need the serial number of the unit. You must be able to verify that you have the authority to call in for this account. DO NOT DO A "RESET" without tech support directing you to do it !!! I have a couple of units for my older relatives, that aren't "computer savvy", at first they were very skittish to try the units, but now they can't live without them. They have become parts of their lives. They are now able to almost instantly communicate with their friends and relatives, and that improves their quality of life !!! Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of plosg Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 9:50 AM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: [mailstation] Aunt not getting email to Mailstation 350 Hi All, My wife's aunt, has Earthlink and the Mailstation 350. She is 73 years old and this represents the only way she can do email, which has become very important to her. Initially, she was able to sporadically receive emails. Now, none are getting through. After going through which was her valid email account (i.e., the one with the number, the name@...) and making sure we were sending plain text, she is still not receiving any email on the Mailstation 350. Her outbound email does work. We have logged on to the web client - www.earthlink.net - and we are able to see her emails, but they don't get through to her. Does anyone have any ideas on this? Can the Earthlink customer service people help? In previous discussions, a "hard re-set" has been mentioned. How is this done? Unfortunately, we don't have the manual. Appreciate any help and thanks to all of you. George Plosker gplosker@... ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C698F6.0445FC30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
          = A few questions and then some suggestions= !!
           
          One: Is= the email account "Overloaded". There is a limit to the email accounts me= mory.
          = Go delete anything that was over a week o= r two old. Then check it again.
          =  
          If she can still send email, then the unit sounds li= ke it is working OK.
           
          TWO: Can you do a manual "Get mail" by pushing the email button, = and see if it connects and
          gets the mail ??? I= f that is OK, then the "Times" that the unit goes to get mail is off or ba= d.
           
          THREE: = Check the "settings" to see if everything is still correct, or was changed = somehow ???
           
          = If it is still not working, call Earthlink tech support, and ask them to "= RE-load" the authorization
          for the unit. = You will need the serial number of the unit. You must be able to verify t= hat you
          have the authority to call in for this = account.
           
          DO= NOT DO A "RESET" without tech support directing you to do it !!!
           
          I have a coup= le of units for my older relatives, that aren't "computer savvy", at first= they were
          very skittish to try the units, but = now they can't live without them. They have become parts
          of their lives. They are now able to almost instantly communicat= e with their friends and relatives,
          and that i= mproves their quality of life !!!
           
          Wayne
           = ;
           
          ---= --Original Message-----
          From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mai= lto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of plosg
          Sent: = Sunday, June 25, 2006 9:50 AM
          To: mailstation@...= m
          Subject: [mailstation] Aunt not getting email to Mailstation= 350

          Hi All,

          My wif= e's aunt, has Earthlink and the Mailstation 350. She is 73
          years old= and this represents the only way she can do email, which
          has become= very important to her. Initially, she was able to
          sporadically rece= ive emails. Now, none are getting through.

          After going through w= hich was her valid email account (i.e., the one
          with the number, the= name@mailstation.com= ) and making sure we were
          sending plain text, she is still not recei= ving any email on the
          Mailstation 350. Her outbound email does work.=

          We have logged on to the web client - www.earthlink.net - a= nd we are
          able to see her emails, but they don't get through to her.= Does
          anyone have any ideas on this? Can the Earthlink customer serv= ice
          people help?

          In previous discussions, a "hard re-set" ha= s been mentioned. How is
          this done? Unfortunately, we don't have the= manual.

          Appreciate any help and thanks to all of you.

          Geo= rge Plosker
          gplosker@comcas= t.net

          = ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C698F6.0445FC30-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: niklaus37217@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54249 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2006 23:37:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jun 2006 23:37:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web55315.mail.re4.yahoo.com) (206.190.58.194) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2006 23:37:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 55642 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jun 2006 23:37:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20060627233722.55640.qmail@...> Received: from [170.143.252.32] by web55315.mail.re4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:37:22 PDT Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:37:22 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Gary Clouse Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: using the Mailstation for email X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=154404643; y=TAsfNxpvuzCD8UkEVVBz6ZTWnz04dHhygxvBJyMRe9MYwa8LgQ23 X-Yahoo-Profile: niklaus37217 Status: RO Content-Length: 2943 Lines: 94 --- Cyrano Jones wrote: > --- Gary Clouse wrote: > > > > The mailstations were originally sold under the > brand > > name Cidco. The processor is not actually a z80, > but a > > z80 compatible microcontroller with several > > enhancements, including several on-chip serial and > > parallel ports. The cpu appears to be a either a > house > > numbered and or discontinued variant of a Rabbit > > Semiconductors 2000. Rabbit Semiconductor does not > > list the processor, but it is similar to the chips > > used in some of the TI programmable calculators. > > The mailstation was manufactured by Inventec, for > Cidco. > Inventec also manufactured several of TI's > calculators, > and the TI Avigo PDA. > > You said "The cpu appears to be a either a house > numbered and or discontinued variant of a Rabbit > Semiconductors 2000". > > Can you tell us why it appears that way??? I did find a listing for the part number on a chip broker site that listed the mfr as rabbit semiconductor. At the time, It was apparently produced at an asian factory under contract to rabbit. From what I can tell, Rabbit was bought out by a larger company, who made it a subsidary. They seemed to reorganize and dropped the old lines the came out with the much enhance series that included the 2000. My guess is it had to do with intellectual property rights. > > I could be wrong, I often am, but here is why I > think it is *NOT* a Rabbit part: > > 1) The pinout does not match any Rabbit part. Not > even close. > Are there any discontinued Rabbit parts? I think > the 2000 may have > been the first part they made. > > 2) There appears to be no ROM or RAM built into > the 3SI176 (it has an address and data bus). The > mailstations > codeflash, dataflash, and ram are all in external > chips. > So, It would not have/need a way to program > internal flash. > > 3) If I remember correctly, the Rabbit parts have > extended > opcodes that z80 does not have. Mailstation code > appears to use just standard z80 opcodes. > > 4) The rabbit bank-switching seems quite a bit > different than the > mailstation's. The mailstation does > bank-switching more like > the MSX, Gameboy, and Avigo. > > It has been a few years since I did my research on > this > subject, but that is what I remember finding. > > --CJ You are most likely correct. However, even Zilog extended the original Z80 opcodes with later chips. It may be likely that the TI inventec chip and the 3SI176 are "first cousins" so to speak. I metasearched the part and found several chinese chip brokers have them available, and some may have datasheets. Unfortunately, I don't know chinese. So are you familiar with the Z80 chipe in the TI calc? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39928 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2006 05:56:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2006 05:56:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2006 05:56:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2006 05:56:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jun 2006 05:56:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 05:56:31 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Inventec X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=fafA12Y4Xr6XjbQ6Glx60hKwpXKw_gGU7IOs9-XOIpu_myuVyISpGgYEtQ X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 2825 Lines: 107 This site has some info on TI Avigo PDA. The 6SI117 CPU is made by Inventec= . http://www.datamath.org/Personal/Avigo10.htm Also from another page on t= hat site: http://www.datamath.org/Featured_Companies.htm > Inventec Corpora= tion was founded in Taiwan, on July 1, 1975 > to produce simple calculat= ors and telephone sets. In 1984 > Inventec was Taiwan's largest manufactur= er of calculators. > In the year 1986 an overseas manufacturing base was = founded > in Penang, Malaysia to take advantage of competitive labour > = rates. Inventec Micro-Electronics Corporation (IMC), one of > the Invente= c Group companies, established a factory in Shanghai, > China during 1995= . Inventec manufactures most of Texas Instrument=EF=BF=BDs > graphing cal= culators from the TI-73 to the TI-89 and the > data collection systems CBL= 2 and CBR. IMC was renamed IME > after Inventec group's reorganization in = 1999. I have read a lot of web pages regarding Inventec, and I get the im= pression that they are a *HUGE* company. They make notebooks and pdas and = phones for a lot of other companies. They also make the iPod for apple. = Googling [inventec z80] finds this site: http://72.14.203.104/search?q=3Dca= che:lao-3vhKzuoJ:electro-tech-online.com/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D15332%26sid%3D= 0483339950207f7a33ddb214e4c43d2e+inventec+z80&hl=3Den&gl=3Dus&ct=3Dclnk&cd= =3D1&client=3Dfirefox-a Well, that link will likely be garbled. It was to= p hit for that search, and I had to view it via googles cache, because pag= e seems to be gone now. The pertinent part of page was a post asking for = info: > I'm in search of data for an Inventec processor. > The chip came = from a TI-83+ graphing calculator > as bares the text: > > Inventec > 6SI= 837 0A > Japan 0216EAI > PDARD > F0254ZAA > > ...if it helps, this is a Z8= 0-enabled CISC processor. > I've tried googling and came up empty. Any dat= a on pinouts, > or clocking data would be appreciated. There was no answe= r posted. Note the manufacturer, the similar part number, and most curious= ly the "PDARD". I believe the Avigo 6SI117 also says "PDARD", but I can't f= ind a good picture of it right now. In case it didn't jump right out at yo= u, the Avigo is a PDA, as in PDARD. I don't have any guess what the RD sta= nds for, but RSDRD ends with RD, too. I have not been able to come up with= any meaning for RSD as of yet. Googling for [rsdrd inventec] returns two = sites that list 3SI176 as manufactured by "RSDRD". The line just above 3SI1= 76 is for a 3SI0870A manufactured by "Inventec". http://www.digchip.com/d= istributors/parts/3s/parts_3s.php I think the brokers are just jumping to = conclusion that the RSDRD is the manufacturer, because for some reason, the= y did not print "Inventec" on the package. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: niklaus37217@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13993 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2006 22:47:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2006 22:47:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56212.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (216.252.110.221) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2006 22:47:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 79079 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jul 2006 22:45:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20060706224557.79077.qmail@...> Received: from [170.143.252.33] by web56212.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 15:45:57 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 15:45:57 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Gary Clouse Subject: Re: [mailstation] Inventec X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=154404643; y=7WDEg2xFrFw4Ggs-1Fmtyv7GOlUNIOTQBcgqwmHGL6x8yBxlmcZ_ X-Yahoo-Profile: niklaus37217 Status: RO Content-Length: 3175 Lines: 107 I believe the RD stands for "Research Design" --- Cyrano Jones wrote: > This site has some info on TI Avigo PDA. > The 6SI117 CPU is made by Inventec. > http://www.datamath.org/Personal/Avigo10.htm > > Also from another page on that site: > http://www.datamath.org/Featured_Companies.htm > > Inventec Corporation was founded in Taiwan, on > July 1, 1975 > > to produce simple calculators and telephone sets. > In 1984 > > Inventec was Taiwan's largest manufacturer of > calculators. > > In the year 1986 an overseas manufacturing base > was founded > > in Penang, Malaysia to take advantage of > competitive labour > > rates. Inventec Micro-Electronics Corporation > (IMC), one of > > the Inventec Group companies, established a > factory in Shanghai, > > China during 1995. Inventec manufactures most of > Texas Instrument�s > > graphing calculators from the TI-73 to the TI-89 > and the > > data collection systems CBL2 and CBR. IMC was > renamed IME > > after Inventec group's reorganization in 1999. > > I have read a lot of web pages regarding Inventec, > and I get the > impression that they are a *HUGE* company. They > make notebooks and > pdas and phones for a lot of other companies. They > also make > the iPod for apple. > > Googling [inventec z80] finds this site: > http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:lao-3vhKzuoJ:electro-tech-online.com/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D15332%26sid%3D0483339950207f7a33ddb214e4c43d2e+inventec+z80&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a > > Well, that link will likely be garbled. It was > top hit for that search, and I had to view it via > googles cache, because page seems to be gone now. > > The pertinent part of page was a post asking for > info: > > > I'm in search of data for an Inventec processor. > > The chip came from a TI-83+ graphing calculator > > as bares the text: > > > > Inventec > > 6SI837 0A > > Japan 0216EAI > > PDARD > > F0254ZAA > > > > ...if it helps, this is a Z80-enabled CISC > processor. > > I've tried googling and came up empty. Any data on > pinouts, > > or clocking data would be appreciated. > > There was no answer posted. Note the manufacturer, > the similar part number, and most curiously the > "PDARD". > I believe the Avigo 6SI117 also says "PDARD", but I > can't > find a good picture of it right now. In case it > didn't > jump right out at you, the Avigo is a PDA, as in > PDARD. > > I don't have any guess what the RD stands for, but > RSDRD ends with RD, too. I have not been able to > come > up with any meaning for RSD as of yet. > > Googling for [rsdrd inventec] returns two sites > that list 3SI176 as manufactured by "RSDRD". > The line just above 3SI176 is for a 3SI0870A > manufactured > by "Inventec". > http://www.digchip.com/distributors/parts/3s/parts_3s.php > > I think the brokers are just jumping to conclusion > that the RSDRD is the manufacturer, because for some > reason, they did not print "Inventec" on the > package. > > -- CJ > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: niklaus37217@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60828 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2006 22:56:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jul 2006 22:56:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56214.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (216.252.110.223) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2006 22:56:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 81628 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jul 2006 22:56:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20060706225638.81626.qmail@...> Received: from [170.143.252.33] by web56214.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 15:56:38 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 15:56:38 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Gary Clouse Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: using the Mailstation for email X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=154404643; y=D0mYRST9c8f9VIB6dbnfgvKPfq-2L1tbw1gymMF7M1d3wZSE7xn0 X-Yahoo-Profile: niklaus37217 Status: RO Content-Length: 2172 Lines: 77 I don't think it is a Rabbit 2000, but an earlier design that the 2000 replaced. --- Cyrano Jones wrote: > --- Gary Clouse wrote: > > > > The mailstations were originally sold under the > brand > > name Cidco. The processor is not actually a z80, > but a > > z80 compatible microcontroller with several > > enhancements, including several on-chip serial and > > parallel ports. The cpu appears to be a either a > house > > numbered and or discontinued variant of a Rabbit > > Semiconductors 2000. Rabbit Semiconductor does not > > list the processor, but it is similar to the chips > > used in some of the TI programmable calculators. > > The mailstation was manufactured by Inventec, for > Cidco. > Inventec also manufactured several of TI's > calculators, > and the TI Avigo PDA. > > You said "The cpu appears to be a either a house > numbered and or discontinued variant of a Rabbit > Semiconductors 2000". > > Can you tell us why it appears that way??? > > I could be wrong, I often am, but here is why I > think it is *NOT* a Rabbit part: > > 1) The pinout does not match any Rabbit part. Not > even close. > Are there any discontinued Rabbit parts? I think > the 2000 may have > been the first part they made. > > 2) There appears to be no ROM or RAM built into > the 3SI176 (it has an address and data bus). The > mailstations > codeflash, dataflash, and ram are all in external > chips. > So, It would not have/need a way to program > internal flash. > > 3) If I remember correctly, the Rabbit parts have > extended > opcodes that z80 does not have. Mailstation code > appears to use just standard z80 opcodes. > > 4) The rabbit bank-switching seems quite a bit > different than the > mailstation's. The mailstation does > bank-switching more like > the MSX, Gameboy, and Avigo. > > It has been a few years since I did my research on > this > subject, but that is what I remember finding. > > --CJ > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: kdoliver@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84264 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2006 20:57:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2006 20:57:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2006 20:57:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n16.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2006 20:53:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jul 2006 20:53:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:53:43 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "kdoliver" Subject: Just want to capture text! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=79365450; y=Dx_dEK2fgaY8_pwGvaNSESL0Fip0en03mx8nJeJZcf9Nag0 X-Yahoo-Profile: kdoliver Status: RO Content-Length: 340 Lines: 14 Forgive me for asking (I haven't pulled out my Cidco 120 for a couple of y= ears), but what is the simplest way to transfer plain old text via the par= allel port to a PC? I really could use a portable text editor, and if I c= an't do that with it, I might as well toss the thing. Any help would be gr= eatly appreciated. Thanks! From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82077 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2006 21:39:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jul 2006 21:39:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.177) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2006 21:39:40 -0000 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id n25so885784pyg for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:39:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.93.15 with SMTP id v15mr21141pyl; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:39:38 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from NewBaby ( [209.121.230.219]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id j76sm863381pyd.2006.07.14.14.39.38; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:39:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <012701c6a78e$011a6720$dbe679d1@NewBaby> To: References: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:29:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0124_01C6A751.E3B705D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Just want to capture text! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=g4-BzO6rp4TSOqdSf0mxJn-i20NuXEF92hJWu2ox8qQYIoO4iQ X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 2347 Lines: 87 ------=_NextPart_000_0124_01C6A751.E3B705D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Why would you want to? Really the only way is to email it to yourself. Ne= il ----- Original Message ----- From: kdoliver Forgive me for as= king (I haven't pulled out my Cidco 120 for a couple of years), but what= is the simplest way to transfer plain old text via the parallel port to= a PC? I really could use a portable text editor, and if I can't do that= with it, I might as well toss the thing. Any help would be greatly appr= eciated. Thanks! ------=_NextPart_000_0124_01C6A751.E3B705D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
          Why would you want to?
           
          Really the only way is to em= ail it to yourself.
           
          Neil
           
          =
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: kdoliver =

          Forgive me for asking= (I haven't pulled out my Cidco 120 for a couple
          of years), but what= is the simplest way to transfer plain old text via
          the parallel por= t to a PC? I really could use a portable text editor,
          and if I can't= do that with it, I might as well toss the thing.

          Any help would = be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

          = ------=_NextPart_000_0124_01C6A751.E3B705D0-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: kdoliver@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10916 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2006 15:48:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2006 15:48:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.208) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2006 15:48:31 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n17.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2006 15:48:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2006 15:48:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2006 15:48:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:48:29 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <012701c6a78e$011a6720$dbe679d1@NewBaby> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "kdoliver" Subject: Re: Just want to capture text! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=79365450; y=vY2Jz12lqyDNUbNQevtEJCZC5aHioekrsyr3buFiWA42PTI X-Yahoo-Profile: kdoliver Status: RO Content-Length: 1087 Lines: 60 Neil, Thanks for your reply, but... Hmmm, why would I want to? Because I= do? I would like to simply use it as a small, rugged text editor/word pr= ocessor. I would like to for the same reasons one would pull out a notepa= d and take notes, or use a laptop to type a letter on a train. With the p= arallel port, there muse be some way to export the text to a PC, no? Ther= e must be some way to use it for this outside of the modem. Thanks for any= suggestions, Kevin --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Morrison" wrote: > > Why would you want to? > > Really the only way i= s to email it to yourself. > > Neil > > ----- Original Message ----- >= From: kdoliver > > > Forgive me for asking (I haven't pulled out my= Cidco 120 for a couple > of years), but what is the simplest way to tr= ansfer plain old text via > the parallel port to a PC? I really could u= se a portable text editor, > and if I can't do that with it, I might as= well toss the thing. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!= > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9521 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2006 16:50:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2006 16:50:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.181) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2006 16:50:20 -0000 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f25so1520371pyf for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:50:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.123.10 with SMTP id a10mr4272111pyn; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:50:15 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from NewBaby ( [209.121.230.219]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id a75sm457028pyf.2006.07.17.09.50.14; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:50:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <0a8f01c6a9c1$12c265b0$dbe679d1@NewBaby> To: References: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:41:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0A69_01C6A985.3CD27D90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Just want to capture text! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=MkXhUfFi6qqkGJhhc1tymMIVcnK1YF0OcOjr20vzs8Bwm5pwkQ X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 3285 Lines: 117 ------=_NextPart_000_0A69_01C6A985.3CD27D90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is the project we are trying to work on. One person has posted code h= ere to let you rewrite the roms in the unit. We would like to turn it into = a better Radio Shack Model 100 if possible. There are devices that will c= apture parallel port data, but not cheaply. See http://www.lvr.com/parport.= htm Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: kdoliver Neil, T= hanks for your reply, but... Hmmm, why would I want to? Because I do? = I would like to simply use it as a small, rugged text editor/word proce= ssor. I would like to for the same reasons one would pull out a notepad = and take notes, or use a laptop to type a letter on a train. With the pa= rallel port, there muse be some way to export the text to a PC, no? T= here must be some way to use it for this outside of the modem. Thanks fo= r any suggestions, Kevin ------=_NextPart_000_0A69_01C6A985.3CD27D90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
           
          This is t= he project we are trying to work on. One person has posted code here to le= t you rewrite the roms in the unit. We would like to turn it into a better= Radio Shack Model 100 if possible.
           
          There are devices that will capture para= llel port data, but not cheaply. See http://www.lvr.com/parport.htm
          =  
          Neil
           
          ----- Original Message -----
          =
          From: kdoliver

          <= DIV id=3Dygrp-text>

          Neil,

          Thanks for your reply, but...

          = Hmmm, why would I want to? Because I do?

          I would like to simply u= se it as a small, rugged text editor/word
          processor. I would like to= for the same reasons one would pull out
          a notepad and take notes, o= r use a laptop to type a letter on a
          train. With the parallel port, = there muse be some way to export the
          text to a PC, no?

          There = must be some way to use it for this outside of the modem.

          Thanks = for any suggestions,
          Kevin

          = ------=_NextPart_000_0A69_01C6A985.3CD27D90-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: wand@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50788 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2006 00:10:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2006 00:10:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.211) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2006 00:10:27 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n20.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2006 00:10:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2006 00:10:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2006 00:10:23 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 00:10:21 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Walt" Subject: Dialup Access X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=275469258; y=LHZGC_ELevC91nIhZ-aqII8hgvzjm25dHYWAVaVGvhjH4g X-Yahoo-Profile: wea1946 Status: RO Content-Length: 1964 Lines: 72 1) My wife just picked up a DET1 v2.55Y at a garage sale this weekend for = $2 and I've been trying to get it to work. I was able to reset it and ent= er new info, but could only create one user account. Is there a way to cr= eate additional users without calling EarthLink? 2) I found a dialup ISP, = www.bamnet.com, that has local dialup service in the small town where an e= lderly aunt lives in Upper Michigan. They charge only one cent per minute= with a prepaid account. With thousands of dial up numbers around the cou= ntry, this looks like a great option. I cannot get my email from my ISP o= nce I am logged into the internet, but I can use my company's email server= to receive messages, but not to send. I am currently setting up a test = Windows 2003 server for pop3 and smtp access and will experiment with that= here shortly. 3) With great dialup access to the internet, wouldn't it be= feasible for someone to host a simple pop3/smtp server for use for MailS= tation type of appliances? I realize protections are needed to keep the s= pammers off, but that should be easy by limiting these accounts to minimal= settings needed for dialup and only a few messages at a time, I would thi= nk. Does this sound reasonable to you? If so, then why hasn't somebody d= one it? 4) Are there any more of the free dialup ISPs left, or dialup emai= l providers? All of the big providers are having to lock down their syst= ems, charge for services, and create roadblocks that these simple little m= ail terminals can't seem to handle without a major effort to rewrite code = and rewrite the PROMs. 5) Do you think providing this type of service, par= ticularly for the elderly and perhaps specialty markets like RVers would b= e feasible? Thanks, PS If I can get everything to work I will be happy t= o publish all the info I find, and about Bamnet, if you think it would be = useful to anybody on this group. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92912 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2006 02:35:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2006 02:35:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.181) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2006 02:35:34 -0000 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c30so90663pyc for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.105.18 with SMTP id h18mr369224pym; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:34:21 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from NewBaby ( [209.121.230.219]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id a75sm229688pyf.2006.07.18.19.34.20; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:34:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <027801c6aadb$d7105790$dbe679d1@NewBaby> To: References: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:22:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0275_01C6AA9F.7FB0E820" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Dialup Access X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=IZJFLpsJmimCXyhA-w3WNMVjjO66A2O4t9S8xyVDcwTsu4SEYA X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 6088 Lines: 195 ------=_NextPart_000_0275_01C6AA9F.7FB0E820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some cities have free community email - see http://www2.vcn.bc.ca/emailSer= vice as an example. IME the Mailstations with the 'Yahoo' feature are easie= st to switch over. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: Walt = 1) My wife just picked up a DET1 v2.55Y at a garage sale this weekend = for $2 and I've been trying to get it to work. I was able to reset it a= nd enter new info, but could only create one user account. Is there a wa= y to create additional users without calling EarthLink? 2) I found a d= ialup ISP, www.bamnet.com, that has local dialup service in the small to= wn where an elderly aunt lives in Upper Michigan. They charge only one c= ent per minute with a prepaid account. With thousands of dial up numbers= around the country, this looks like a great option. I cannot get my ema= il from my ISP once I am logged into the internet, but I can use my comp= any's email server to receive messages, but not to send. I am currently = setting up a test Windows 2003 server for pop3 and smtp access and will = experiment with that here shortly. 3) With great dialup access to t= he internet, wouldn't it be feasible for someone to host a simple pop3/s= mtp server for use for MailStation type of appliances? I realize protect= ions are needed to keep the spammers off, but that should be easy by lim= iting these accounts to minimal settings needed for dialup and only a fe= w messages at a time, I would think. Does this sound reasonable to yo= u? If so, then why hasn't somebody done it? 4) Are there any more of t= he free dialup ISPs left, or dialup email providers? All of the big prov= iders are having to lock down their systems, charge for services, and cr= eate roadblocks that these simple little mail terminals can't seem to ha= ndle without a major effort to rewrite code and rewrite the PROMs. 5)= Do you think providing this type of service, particularly for the eld= erly and perhaps specialty markets like RVers would be feasible? Thanks,= PS If I can get everything to work I will be happy to publish all th= e info I find, and about Bamnet, if you think it would be useful to anyb= ody on this group. ------=_NextPart_000_0275_01C6AA9F.7FB0E820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
           
          Some citi= es have free community email - see http://www2.vcn.bc.ca/emailService = as an example. IME the Mailstations with the 'Yahoo' feature are easiest t= o switch over.
           
          <= FONT size=3D2>Neil
           
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Walt
          =

          1)
          My wife just picked up a = DET1 v2.55Y at a garage sale this weekend
          for $2 and I've been tryin= g to get it to work. I was able to reset
          it and enter new info, but = could only create one user account. Is
          there a way to create additio= nal users without calling EarthLink?

          2)
          I found a dialup ISP, = www.bamnet.com, that has local dia= lup service
          in the small town where an elderly aunt lives in Upper M= ichigan.
          They charge only one cent per minute with a prepaid account. = With
          thousands of dial up numbers around the country, this looks like= a
          great option. I cannot get my email from my ISP once I am logged =
          into the internet, but I can use my company's email server to
          re= ceive messages, but not to send. I am currently setting up a test
          Wi= ndows 2003 server for pop3 and smtp access and will experiment
          with = that here shortly.

          3)
          With great dialup access to the internet= , wouldn't it be feasible
          for someone to host a simple pop3/smtp ser= ver for use for
          MailStation type of appliances? I realize protection= s are needed to
          keep the spammers off, but that should be easy by li= miting these
          accounts to minimal settings needed for dialup and only= a few
          messages at a time, I would think. Does this sound reasonable= to
          you? If so, then why hasn't somebody done it?

          4)
          Are t= here any more of the free dialup ISPs left, or dialup email
          provider= s? All of the big providers are having to lock down their
          systems, c= harge for services, and create roadblocks that these
          simple little m= ail terminals can't seem to handle without a major
          effort to rewrite= code and rewrite the PROMs.

          5)
          Do you think providing this ty= pe of service, particularly for the
          elderly and perhaps specialty ma= rkets like RVers would be feasible?

          Thanks,

          PS If I can ge= t everything to work I will be happy to publish all
          the info I find,= and about Bamnet, if you think it would be useful
          to anybody on thi= s group.

          ------=_NextPart_000_0275_01C6AA9F.7FB0E820-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: wand@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56718 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2006 03:20:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2006 03:20:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.212) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2006 03:20:11 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.120] by n21.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2006 03:12:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t1.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2006 03:12:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jul 2006 03:12:46 -0000 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 03:12:44 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Walt" Subject: Access-4-Free X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=275469258; y=MhrVcpXYIvkEccUGuM1990FktkQCFeQxXnrzPHYI7pYBLQ X-Yahoo-Profile: wea1946 Status: RO Content-Length: 29 Lines: 7 Is Access-4-Free gone? From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38064 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2006 15:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2006 15:20:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (208.186.161.99) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2006 15:20:03 -0000 Received: from computer1 (computer1.handypage5.net [192.168.101.21]) by www.handypage.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/netmax) with SMTP id k6JFSAdD025745 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:28:10 -0700 To: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:20:54 -0700 Message-ID: <000d01c6ab46$ed9f2c50$1565a8c0@computer1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C6AB0C.41405450" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "wayne" Reply-To: Subject: RE: [mailstation] Dialup Access X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=CZgjKnFcxWD_GN58Phy1wUjFIIlZqEbQ6KhXVlIdyPmgtN0XV8KEOQ X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 10420 Lines: 289 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C6AB0C.41405450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Part of the problem is the mailstation uses the "Control X" (Xtnd) character in it's email sequences. Most email services will not except that as part of the login, and handshakes for email delivery. Somebody probably could setup an email server that would work with this, but they would have to overcome 2 questions ?? 1. Would using this particular email protocol be infringing on Earthlink's patent? And would they then get into a lawsuit from Earthlink over using it ? 2. How would they pay for the 800 number dial-up telephone lines to access the system ??? You want the service for "FREE", but somebody has to pay for the facilities somehow ??? Would you except SPAM delivered to you, with the money paid for that advertising to pay for the facilities ??? Or would you be willing to pay a monthly fee for the email service ?? An 800 number would run about 5 cents per minute, with 2 calls per day from the Mailstation, about 2 minutes each, that is about $ 3.00 per month, plus the cost of running the server unit, the electric, and providing any accounting staff to handle your payments. I would say that you would need about $ 5.00 per month to break even. Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Walt Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:10 PM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: [mailstation] Dialup Access 1) My wife just picked up a DET1 v2.55Y at a garage sale this weekend for $2 and I've been trying to get it to work. I was able to reset it and enter new info, but could only create one user account. Is there a way to create additional users without calling EarthLink? 2) I found a dialup ISP, www.bamnet.com, that has local dialup service in the small town where an elderly aunt lives in Upper Michigan. They charge only one cent per minute with a prepaid account. With thousands of dial up numbers around the country, this looks like a great option. I cannot get my email from my ISP once I am logged into the internet, but I can use my company's email server to receive messages, but not to send. I am currently setting up a test Windows 2003 server for pop3 and smtp access and will experiment with that here shortly. 3) With great dialup access to the internet, wouldn't it be feasible for someone to host a simple pop3/smtp server for use for MailStation type of appliances? I realize protections are needed to keep the spammers off, but that should be easy by limiting these accounts to minimal settings needed for dialup and only a few messages at a time, I would think. Does this sound reasonable to you? If so, then why hasn't somebody done it? 4) Are there any more of the free dialup ISPs left, or dialup email providers? All of the big providers are having to lock down their systems, charge for services, and create roadblocks that these simple little mail terminals can't seem to handle without a major effort to rewrite code and rewrite the PROMs. 5) Do you think providing this type of service, particularly for the elderly and perhaps specialty markets like RVers would be feasible? Thanks, PS If I can get everything to work I will be happy to publish all the info I find, and about Bamnet, if you think it would be useful to anybody on this group. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C6AB0C.41405450 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= /HEAD>
          Part of the probl= em is the mailstation uses the "Control X" (Xtnd) character in it's=
          email sequences.  Most email services will not e= xcept that as part of the login,
          and handshake= s for email delivery.
           
          Somebody probably could setup an email server that would work wit= h this, but
          they would have to overcome 2 ques= tions ??
           
          1. = Would using this particular email protocol be infringing on Earthlink's pa= tent?
          And would they then get into a lawsuit f= rom Earthlink over using it ?
          &n= bsp;
          2. How would they pay for the 800 number dial-up telep= hone lines to access the system ???
          You want= the service for "FREE", but somebody has to pay for the facilities somehow= ???
          Would you except SPAM delivered to you, = with the money paid for that advertising to pay
          <= SPAN class=3D245410915-19072006>for the facilities ???  Or would you be willing to pay a monthly fee= for the email service ??
           =
          An 800 number would run about 5 cents per minute, with 2 cal= ls per day from the Mailstation,
          about 2 minut= es each, that is about $ 3.00 per month, plus the cost of running the serv= er unit,
          the electric, and providing any accoun= ting staff to handle your payments.  I would say that
          you would need about $ 5.00 per month to break even.
           
          Wayne=
           
           
          <= FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----
          From: m= ailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Beh= alf Of Walt
          Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:10 PM
          To:= mailstation@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [mailstation] Dialup= Access

          1)
          My wife j= ust picked up a DET1 v2.55Y at a garage sale this weekend
          for $2 and= I've been trying to get it to work. I was able to reset
          it and ente= r new info, but could only create one user account. Is
          there a way t= o create additional users without calling EarthLink?

          2)
          I found a= dialup ISP, www.bamnet.com, that has local dialup service
          in the sm= all town where an elderly aunt lives in Upper Michigan.
          They charge = only one cent per minute with a prepaid account. With
          thousands of d= ial up numbers around the country, this looks like a
          great option. I= cannot get my email from my ISP once I am logged
          into the internet,= but I can use my company's email server to
          receive messages, but no= t to send. I am currently setting up a test
          Windows 2003 server for = pop3 and smtp access and will experiment
          with that here shortly.
          =
          3)
          With great dialup access to the internet, wouldn't it be feasi= ble
          for someone to host a simple pop3/smtp server for use for
          Ma= ilStation type of appliances? I realize protections are needed to
          ke= ep the spammers off, but that should be easy by limiting these
          accou= nts to minimal settings needed for dialup and only a few
          messages at= a time, I would think. Does this sound reasonable to
          you? If so, th= en why hasn't somebody done it?

          4)
          Are there any more of the f= ree dialup ISPs left, or dialup email
          providers? All of the big prov= iders are having to lock down their
          systems, charge for services, and = create roadblocks that these
          simple little mail terminals can't seem = to handle without a major
          effort to rewrite code and rewrite the = PROMs.

          5)
          Do you think providing this type of service, particular= ly for the
          elderly and perhaps specialty markets like RVers would be= feasible?

          Thanks,

          PS If I can get everything to work I wi= ll be happy to publish all
          the info I find, and about Bamnet, if you= think it would be useful
          to anybody on this group.

          ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C6AB0C.41405450-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: niklaus37217@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82121 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2006 17:06:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2006 17:06:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56211.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (216.252.110.220) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2006 17:06:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 38727 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jul 2006 17:05:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20060719170502.38718.qmail@...> Received: from [170.143.252.33] by web56211.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:05:02 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:05:02 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Gary Clouse Subject: Re: [mailstation] Access-4-Free X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=154404643; y=WD3VCnIn8LsKS7_FlbUi5pCe9XnxqwCZFFZyjpgVBkd_A3CqkOep X-Yahoo-Profile: niklaus37217 Status: RO Content-Length: 361 Lines: 20 Yep it's long gone. They dropped the free dialup and email service well over a year ago. I hated the to0 because I really liked it. --- Walt wrote: > Is Access-4-Free gone? > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: govindc@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9985 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2006 17:10:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2006 17:10:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nf-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.182.189) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2006 17:10:20 -0000 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id o60so293600nfa for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:03:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.175.14 with SMTP id x14mr540083hue; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.27.6 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1d0b65630607190948l10fbd6c0l5d481dd211e10e38@...> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:18:26 +0530 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000d01c6ab46$ed9f2c50$1565a8c0@computer1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_37064_13859348.1153327706703" References: <000d01c6ab46$ed9f2c50$1565a8c0@computer1> X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Govind C" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Dialup Access X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204294763; y=lPd2xcC8GheWHYqIsGkAnJRUMWQZuiKTbrXB4IHyK9jfyw X-Yahoo-Profile: govigov Status: RO Content-Length: 366 Lines: 13 ------=_Part_37064_13859348.1153327706703 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline [ Attachment content not displayed ] ------=_Part_37064_13859348.1153327706703 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline [ Attachment content not displayed ] ------=_Part_37064_13859348.1153327706703-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: niklaus37217@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 37807 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2006 17:19:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2006 17:19:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56206.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (216.252.110.215) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2006 17:19:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 36832 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jul 2006 17:19:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20060719171915.36830.qmail@...> Received: from [170.143.252.33] by web56206.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:19:15 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:19:15 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <0a8f01c6a9c1$12c265b0$dbe679d1@NewBaby> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Gary Clouse Subject: Re: [mailstation] Just want to capture text! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=154404643; y=8p6fx4UfnSBf3d2CWLJ5s2SmG2f435fD4hhm3q3Mz8ch_cofMj81 X-Yahoo-Profile: niklaus37217 Status: RO Content-Length: 1383 Lines: 55 for a device that can capture parallel port data cheaply, how about a parallel port crossover (aka laplink ) cable. Someone would need to write the pc side of thing, but wit a modern PC with a bidirectional printer port, it shouldn't be difficult. --- Neil Morrison wrote: > > This is the project we are trying to work on. One > person has posted code here to let you rewrite the > roms in the unit. We would like to turn it into a > better Radio Shack Model 100 if possible. > > There are devices that will capture parallel port > data, but not cheaply. See > http://www.lvr.com/parport.htm > > Neil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kdoliver > > > Neil, > > Thanks for your reply, but... > > Hmmm, why would I want to? Because I do? > > I would like to simply use it as a small, rugged > text editor/word > processor. I would like to for the same reasons > one would pull out > a notepad and take notes, or use a laptop to type > a letter on a > train. With the parallel port, there muse be some > way to export the > text to a PC, no? > > There must be some way to use it for this outside > of the modem. > > Thanks for any suggestions, > Kevin > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10948 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2006 15:15:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2006 15:15:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (208.186.161.99) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2006 15:15:57 -0000 Received: from computer1 (computer1.handypage5.net [192.168.101.21]) by www.handypage.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/netmax) with SMTP id k6KFNRbD026508 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 08:23:28 -0700 To: Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 08:16:06 -0700 Message-ID: <001101c6ac0f$6cad4720$1565a8c0@computer1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C6ABD4.C04E6F20" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <1d0b65630607190948l10fbd6c0l5d481dd211e10e38@...> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "wayne" Reply-To: Subject: RE: [mailstation] Dialup Access X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=EktaGjrRUhwQmmYn5SFbsyIAiVafgwCSxyllWeo7yEUhIjfeZpRUEg X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 18434 Lines: 523 ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C6ABD4.C04E6F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do you foresee that Earthlink is going to drop the Mailstation service, or are they going to continue providing it ?? YES, it would be interesting to know about the Xntd control. But I am sure that an email server running the "Sendmail" program could have the program changed to allow the use of the Control character if needed ?? Actually at $ 9.95 per month ( $ 12.95 for model 350 units), they should be making some good profit on the service ?? There is really not much that you need to supply to provide that service, so hopefully they will keep it. IF not, I hope that they will allow "openness" on the programming and such for the units, so they can be used for those that really NEED them. I actually am finding that more Elderly people are looking at the service, and I have put 2 units in service for my Elderly relatives. Since these people have not grown up among computers like we have, they are "Computer literate", and are afraid of using a regular computer for email service. But since they have used a typewriter in their lifetime, the "Mailstation" is manageable for them ! I know that both my relatives were hesitant at first, but you would have to break their arms to get their Mailstations away from them now !! Just wish I could find another Model 350 that worked good, or figure out why this one I have won't switch over to the correct account. The Model 350 is so much nicer to use !!! Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Govind C Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:48 AM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mailstation] Dialup Access 1. The answer is no , I have come accross mailstations that had both "Xtnd: OFF" as well as "Xtnd:ON" . On that note i really dont think it matters. I could look further into this if you guys wish. On 7/19/06, wayne wrote: Part of the problem is the mailstation uses the "Control X" (Xtnd) character in it's email sequences. Most email services will not except that as part of the login, and handshakes for email delivery. Somebody probably could setup an email server that would work with this, but they would have to overcome 2 questions ?? 1. Would using this particular email protocol be infringing on Earthlink's patent? And would they then get into a lawsuit from Earthlink over using it ? 2. How would they pay for the 800 number dial-up telephone lines to access the system ??? You want the service for "FREE", but somebody has to pay for the facilities somehow ??? Would you except SPAM delivered to you, with the money paid for that advertising to pay for the facilities ??? Or would you be willing to pay a monthly fee for the email service ?? An 800 number would run about 5 cents per minute, with 2 calls per day from the Mailstation, about 2 minutes each, that is about $ 3.00 per month, plus the cost of running the server unit, the electric, and providing any accounting staff to handle your payments. I would say that you would need about $ 5.00 per month to break even. Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com ]On Behalf Of Walt Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:10 PM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: [mailstation] Dialup Access 1) My wife just picked up a DET1 v2.55Y at a garage sale this weekend for $2 and I've been trying to get it to work. I was able to reset it and enter new info, but could only create one user account. Is there a way to create additional users without calling EarthLink? 2) I found a dialup ISP, www.bamnet.com, that has local dialup service in the small town where an elderly aunt lives in Upper Michigan. They charge only one cent per minute with a prepaid account. With thousands of dial up numbers around the country, this looks like a great option. I cannot get my email from my ISP once I am logged into the internet, but I can use my company's email server to receive messages, but not to send. I am currently setting up a test Windows 2003 server for pop3 and smtp access and will experiment with that here shortly. 3) With great dialup access to the internet, wouldn't it be feasible for someone to host a simple pop3/smtp server for use for MailStation type of appliances? I realize protections are needed to keep the spammers off, but that should be easy by limiting these accounts to minimal settings needed for dialup and only a few messages at a time, I would think. Does this sound reasonable to you? If so, then why hasn't somebody done it? 4) Are there any more of the free dialup ISPs left, or dialup email providers? All of the big providers are having to lock down their systems, charge for services, and create roadblocks that these simple little mail terminals can't seem to handle without a major effort to rewrite code and rewrite the PROMs. 5) Do you think providing this type of service, particularly for the elderly and perhaps specialty markets like RVers would be feasible? Thanks, PS If I can get everything to work I will be happy to publish all the info I find, and about Bamnet, if you think it would be useful to anybody on this group. -- Govind.C CLiENTLOGIC (CLI3L e-Services Ltd.) Bangalore. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C6ABD4.C04E6F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= /HEAD>
          Do you foresee th= at Earthlink is going to drop the Mailstation service,
          =
          or are they going to continue providing it ??
          =
           
          YES, it would be interesting to = know about the Xntd control.  But I am sure
          = that an email server running the "Sendmail" program could have the prog= ram
          changed to allow the use of the Control cha= racter if needed ??
           
          =
          Actually at $ 9.95 per month ( $ 12.95 for model 350 units), they = should be making some good profit on the
          servi= ce ??   There is really not much that you need to supply to prov= ide that service, so hopefully they will
          keep i= t.   IF not, I hope that they will allow "openness" on the progr= amming and such for the units, so they
          can be u= sed for those that really NEED them.
          <= /SPAN> 
          I actually am finding that more Elderly people a= re looking at the service, and I have put 2 units in service=
          for my Elderly relatives.  Since these people have not = grown up among computers like we have, they are
          <= SPAN class=3D851150615-20072006>"Computer literate", and are afraid of using a regular computer for email= service.  But since they have used
          a typ= ewriter in their lifetime, the "Mailstation" is manageable for them !
           
          I know that both= my relatives were hesitant at first, but you would have to break their ar= ms to get their
          <= FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Mailstations away from them now= !!
           
          Just wis= h I could find another Model 350 that worked good, or figure out why this o= ne I have won't switch
          over to the correct ac= count.  The Model 350 is so much nicer to use !!!
          =
           
          <= FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Wayne
          =  
          =  
          -----Original Message-----
          = From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@...= m]On Behalf Of Govind C
          Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 = 9:48 AM
          To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re:= [mailstation] Dialup Access

          =

          1. The answer is no , I have come accross mailstations that h= ad both "Xtnd: OFF" as well as "Xtnd:ON" . On that note i really dont th= ink it matters. I could look further into this if you guys wish.
          =


           
          On 7/19/06, wayne <waynem@...> wrote:

          =

          Part of the proble= m is the mailstation uses the "Control X" (Xtnd) character in it's
          email sequences.  Most email services will not except that as p= art of the login,
          and handshakes for email delivery.
          <= /SPAN> 
          Somebody probably could setup an email server that would work wit= h this, but
          they would have to overcome 2 questions ??
          =  
          1. Would using this particular email protocol be infringing on Ea= rthlink's patent?
          And would they then get into a lawsuit from= Earthlink over using it ?
           
          2. How would they pay for th= e 800 number dial-up telephone lines to access the system ???
          You = want the service for "FREE", but somebody has to pay for the facilitie= s somehow ???
          Would you except SPAM delivered to you, with th= e money paid for that advertising to pay
          = for the facilities ?= ??  Or would you be willing to pay a monthly fee for the email service= ??
           
          An 800 number would run about 5 cents per minu= te, with 2 calls per day from the Mailstation,
          =
          about 2 minutes eac= h, that is about $ 3.00 per month, plus the cost of running the server= unit,
          the electric, and providing any accounting staff to ha= ndle your payments.  I would say that
          you would need about $ = 5.00 per month to break even.
           
          = Wayne
          =

          =
           =
           
          -----Original Message-----
          From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com = [mailto:mailstation@yah= oogroups.com ]On Behalf Of Walt
          Sent: Tuesday, = July 18, 2006 5:10 PM
          To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [mai= lstation] Dialup Access

          1)
          My = wife just picked up a DET1 v2.55Y at a garage sale this weekend
          = for $2 and I've been trying to get it to work. I was able to reset <= BR>it and enter new info, but could only create one user account. Is=
          there a way to create additional users without calling EarthLin= k?

          2)
          I found a dialup ISP, www.bamnet.com, that has local dialup service
          in the small town where an elde= rly aunt lives in Upper Michigan.
          They charge only one cent per = minute with a prepaid account. With
          thousands of dial up numbers= around the country, this looks like a
          great option. I cannot ge= t my email from my ISP once I am logged
          into the internet, but I= can use my company's email server to
          receive messages, but not = to send. I am currently setting up a test
          Windows 2003 server for pop3 = and smtp access and will experiment
          with that here shortl= y.

          3)
          With great dialup access to the internet, wouldn't i= t be feasible
          for someone to host a simple pop3/smtp server for use = for
          MailStation type of appliances? I realize protections are neede= d to
          keep the spammers off, but that should be easy by limiting = these
          accounts to minimal settings needed for dialup and only a = few
          messages at a time, I would think. Does this sound reasonabl= e to
          you? If so, then why hasn't somebody done it?

          4)Are there any more of the free dialup ISPs left, or dialup email providers? All of the big providers are having to lock down their =
          systems, charge for services, and create roadblocks that these <= BR>simple little mail terminals can't seem to handle without a major=
          effort to rewrite code and rewrite the PROMs.

          5)
          Do y= ou think providing this type of service, particularly for the
          el= derly and perhaps specialty markets like RVers would be feasible?
          Thanks,

          PS If I can get everything to work I will be hap= py to publish all
          the info I find, and about Bamnet, if you thin= k it would be useful
          to anybody on this group.

          =

          =


          --
          Govind.C
          CLiENTLOGIC (CLI3L e-Services= Ltd.)
          Bangalore.

          ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C6ABD4.C04E6F20-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: sandstar.geo@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89762 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2006 18:23:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2006 18:23:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.213) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2006 18:23:05 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n22.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2006 18:22:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2006 18:22:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2006 18:22:44 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 18:22:43 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Terry O." Subject: question about Z80 code X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=85272370; y=3GxHn40pYWdmc8llGDw2GQv7IlgKInd4OSCMYsXIKv5eaKOdRVS5 X-Yahoo-Profile: sandstar.geo Status: RO Content-Length: 1252 Lines: 45 I'm not all that familiar with this whole area but because I have a Rex 600= 0 and 2 unused mailstations, I thought I'd ask if source code for the Rex a= pplications could be reused with the nifty mailbug software that I see in t= he files section but haven't tried? I rarely use the Rex anymore but do ha= ve a bunch of files saved that have the source code for some small apps and= games. The mailstations I would love to make into a portable word proce= ssor (for me) and a pre-schooler's "laptop" for my grandsons. Is that anyw= here feasible yet or even for the near future? I was just wondering the ot= her day if I should just put them in the Goodwill pile. The kids get bored= playing with the keys without any feedback, so they are useless even for p= retend. Well, especially with the other computers on and nickjr.com at the= top of the bookmarks... :-) Thanks, Terry p.s. I am a software tech b= y trade - which means I can usually recompile source code if it's fairly ge= neric and I have flashed my pdas and done some work with the Keil emulator = software - okay I just made the lcds blink but it was fun... so my skill le= vel isn't nearly enough for hardware modding without the "for dummies" docu= mentation. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69050 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2006 02:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jul 2006 02:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.152) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2006 02:33:58 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n9.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2006 02:33:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2006 02:33:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jul 2006 02:33:57 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 02:33:55 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: question about Z80 code X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=M613OWEjETvH1TcvzqnZjTE9xaEx2CgAjSe5M7OQnpaUbQ1wFoc7v3gWJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1875 Lines: 76 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Terry O." wrote: > = > I'm not all that familiar with this whole area but because I have a > Rex= 6000 and 2 unused mailstations, I thought I'd ask if source code > for the= Rex applications could be reused with the nifty mailbug > software that I = see in the files section but haven't tried? Hi, The short answer is: "no= ". A longer answer: Not without a lot of work. Any input or output, or for= that matter any calls to the OS would have to be mapped to alternative cal= ls to the mailstations OS. Unless, by some unlikely coincidence both the r= ex 6000 and the mailstation have the same low level firmware. > I rarely >= use the Rex anymore but do have a bunch of files saved that have the > sou= rce code for some small apps and games. Is the source code in C or assem= bler? I had never heard of the Rex 6000 before now, but I googled it, and = spent some time reading about the hacking efforts last night. Seems they ar= e quite a bit further along than us! (Heck, they were further in 2001 than= we are now!!!) Although the hardware is quite similar, I imagine there wo= uld be a lot of work involved in porting a rex 6000 app to mailstation, not= the least of would be reversing the existing mailstation OS, or writing a = new one. At one point there were a few group members who wanted to complet= ely rewrite the firmware. I haven't heard much lately about any efforts in= that direction. My own plan was to reverse enough of the existing firmwar= e so that we could use the existing OS, but that isn't moving very fast, ei= ther. > The mailstations I would love to make into a portable word proces= sor > (for me) and a pre-schooler's "laptop" for my grandsons. Is that > a= nywhere feasible yet or even for the near future? Define "feasible"... = :-) :-) :-) -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8819 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2006 19:14:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2006 19:14:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.159) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2006 19:14:37 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n16.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2006 19:14:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2006 19:14:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2006 19:14:11 -0000 X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67770 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2006 14:48:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jun 2006 14:48:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (208.186.161.99) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2006 14:48:10 -0000 Received: from computer1 (computer1.handypage5.net [192.168.101.21]) by www.handypage.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/netmax) with SMTP id k5SEsKC3020349 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 07:54:20 -0700 To: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 07:48:20 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c69ac1$e649f510$1565a8c0@computer1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C69A87.39EB1D10" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:2:2:0 From: "wayne" Reply-To: Subject: RE: [mailstation] Inventec X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=wnADaHV6hMDAsFpRwL3q6Me6nTQoiYd6KWuvpmvd3_HTzgIbZxgj4Q X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 X-Yahoo-Marked-Not-Spam: X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: donhamilton2002 via web; 30 Jul 2006 19:14:09 -0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 10072 Lines: 278 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C69A87.39EB1D10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit There is a big book that is available every year that lists EVERY chip made by part number, and who the manufacturer is. I have a very old one 1980's, I will check in it, but you probably need to find somebody that has a new one and look it up. Also, the RD at the end means R & D, as in research and development...The chip may not be a full production line model yet, or it was just a "modified" version of another chip for a specific customer to use ?? Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Cyrano Jones Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 10:57 PM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: [mailstation] Inventec This site has some info on TI Avigo PDA. The 6SI117 CPU is made by Inventec. http://www.datamath.org/Personal/Avigo10.htm Also from another page on that site: http://www.datamath.org/Featured_Companies.htm > Inventec Corporation was founded in Taiwan, on July 1, 1975 > to produce simple calculators and telephone sets. In 1984 > Inventec was Taiwan's largest manufacturer of calculators. > In the year 1986 an overseas manufacturing base was founded > in Penang, Malaysia to take advantage of competitive labour > rates. Inventec Micro-Electronics Corporation (IMC), one of > the Inventec Group companies, established a factory in Shanghai, > China during 1995. Inventec manufactures most of Texas Instrument�s > graphing calculators from the TI-73 to the TI-89 and the > data collection systems CBL2 and CBR. IMC was renamed IME > after Inventec group's reorganization in 1999. I have read a lot of web pages regarding Inventec, and I get the impression that they are a *HUGE* company. They make notebooks and pdas and phones for a lot of other companies. They also make the iPod for apple. Googling [inventec z80] finds this site: http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:lao-3vhKzuoJ:electro-tech-online.com/vie wtopic.php%3Ft%3D15332%26sid%3D0483339950207f7a33ddb214e4c43d2e+inventec+z80 &hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a Well, that link will likely be garbled. It was top hit for that search, and I had to view it via googles cache, because page seems to be gone now. The pertinent part of page was a post asking for info: > I'm in search of data for an Inventec processor. > The chip came from a TI-83+ graphing calculator > as bares the text: > > Inventec > 6SI837 0A > Japan 0216EAI > PDARD > F0254ZAA > > ...if it helps, this is a Z80-enabled CISC processor. > I've tried googling and came up empty. Any data on pinouts, > or clocking data would be appreciated. There was no answer posted. Note the manufacturer, the similar part number, and most curiously the "PDARD". I believe the Avigo 6SI117 also says "PDARD", but I can't find a good picture of it right now. In case it didn't jump right out at you, the Avigo is a PDA, as in PDARD. I don't have any guess what the RD stands for, but RSDRD ends with RD, too. I have not been able to come up with any meaning for RSD as of yet. Googling for [rsdrd inventec] returns two sites that list 3SI176 as manufactured by "RSDRD". The line just above 3SI176 is for a 3SI0870A manufactured by "Inventec". http://www.digchip.com/distributors/parts/3s/parts_3s.php I think the brokers are just jumping to conclusion that the RSDRD is the manufacturer, because for some reason, they did not print "Inventec" on the package. -- CJ ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C69A87.39EB1D10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
          = There is a big book that is available eve= ry year that lists EVERY chip made by part number,
          and who the manufacturer is.  I have a very old one 1980's, I wil= l check in it, but you
          probably need to find= somebody that has a new one and look it up.
          <= /SPAN> 
          = Also, the RD at the end means R & D, = as in research and development...The chip may
          n= ot be a full production line model yet, or it was just a "modified" versio= n of another chip
          for a specific customer to u= se ??
          =  
          Wayne<= /SPAN>
           
           
          -----Original Message-----
          <= B>From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.= com]On Behalf Of Cyrano Jones
          Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2= 006 10:57 PM
          To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [mailstation] Inventec

          <= P>This site has some info on TI Avigo PDA.
          The 6SI117 CPU is made by = Inventec.
          ht= tp://www.datamath.org/Personal/Avigo10.htm

          Also fro= m another page on that site:
          http://www.datamath.org/Featured_Companies.htm
          > Inventec Corporation was founded in Taiwan, on July 1,= 1975
          > to produce simple calculators and telephone sets. In 1984=
          > Inventec was Taiwan's largest manufacturer of calculators. > In the year 1986 an overseas manufacturing base was founded
          &g= t; in Penang, Malaysia to take advantage of competitive labour
          > = rates. Inventec Micro-Electronics Corporation (IMC), one of
          > the= Inventec Group companies, established a factory in Shanghai,
          > C= hina during 1995. Inventec manufactures most of Texas Instrument=EF=BF= =BDs
          > graphing calculators from the TI-73 to the TI-89 and the <= BR>> data collection systems CBL2 and CBR. IMC was renamed IME
          &g= t; after Inventec group's reorganization in 1999.

          I have read a = lot of web pages regarding Inventec, and I get the
          impression that they = are a *HUGE* company. They make notebooks and
          pdas and phones for a l= ot of other companies. They also make
          the iPod for apple.

          Goo= gling [inventec z80] finds this site:
          http://72.14.<= WBR>203.104/search?q=3Dcache:lao-3vhKzuoJ:electro-tech-= online.com/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D15332%26sid%3D0483339950= 207f7a33ddb214e4c43d2e+inventec+z80&hl=3Den&gl= =3Dus&ct=3Dclnk&cd=3D1&client=3Dfirefox-a
          Well, that link will likely be garbled. It was
          top hit for that = search, and I had to view it via
          googles cache, because page seems t= o be gone now.

          The pertinent part of page was a post asking for i= nfo:

          > I'm in search of data for an Inventec processor.
          &g= t; The chip came from a TI-83+ graphing calculator
          > as bares the= text:
          >
          > Inventec
          > 6SI837 0A
          > Japan 0216EAI=
          > PDARD
          > F0254ZAA
          >
          > ...if it helps, this is= a Z80-enabled CISC processor.
          > I've tried googling and came up = empty. Any data on pinouts,
          > or clocking data would be appreciat= ed.

          There was no answer posted. Note the manufacturer,
          the sim= ilar part number, and most curiously the "PDARD".
          I believe the Avigo= 6SI117 also says "PDARD", but I can't
          find a good picture of it righ= t now. In case it didn't
          jump right out at you, the Avigo is a PDA, a= s in PDARD.

          I don't have any guess what the RD stands for, butRSDRD ends with RD, too. I have not been able to come
          up with any me= aning for RSD as of yet.

          Googling for [rsdrd inventec] returns tw= o sites
          that list 3SI176 as manufactured by "RSDRD".
          The line just= above 3SI176 is for a 3SI0870A manufactured
          by "Inventec".
          http:/= /www.digchip.com/distributors/parts/3s/parts_3s.php=

          I think the brokers are just jumping to conclusion
          that the R= SDRD is the manufacturer, because for some
          reason, they did not print= "Inventec" on the package.

          -- CJ

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X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Anthony Albert" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: question about Z80 code X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169489703; y=qvIvlgdK9CVu0-fJxqmjop85ryUtVo38_sL8lK2FKUZbiFz3L3EsR59c X-Yahoo-Profile: falbertforester Status: RO Content-Length: 945 Lines: 27 On 29 Jul 2006 at 2:33, Cyrano Jones wrote: [SNIP] >> The mailstations I would love to make into a portable word processor >> (for me) and a pre-schooler's "laptop" for my grandsons. Is that >> anywhere feasible yet or even for the near future? > >Define "feasible"... :-) :-) :-) > >-- CJ If you set them up to dial-in and send email, then you can use them as a word processor to a certain degree - simply compose your text in an email message, and [ save it as a draft | send it as email ] to your desktop computer. Anthony Albert =========================================================== Anthony J. Albert albert@... Systems and Software Support Specialist Postmaster Computer Services - University of Maine, Presque Isle "For, you see, so many out-of-the-way things had happened lately, that Alice had begun to thing that very few things indeed were really impossible."-Alice in Wonderland From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3097 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2006 23:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2006 23:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2006 23:06:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2006 23:06:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2006 23:06:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 23:06:25 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1142184784.10568.267.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Where to start ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=jaAHiE0aUaVqx45LWmOU7K08I7xZ1OzTvxBDSez3zYegcQuMpSceHYInCg X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 2566 Lines: 95 --- About 4 months ago, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > > On Sun,= 2006-03-12 at 11:29 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > > --- "benjaminmaggi" wrote: > > > > > I've brought MailStation model DET1 with th= e hope to start puting my > > > own programs in it, but i dont know where t= o start, > > > There is no compiler yet. Can you program in z80 assemble= r? > > > > A free cross-assembler (as80) is in the file area, under mail= bug > > directory. There is also a "hello world" example. > > > Well the= re are lots of C and Pascal compilers for Z80. Most of them need > to run u= nder a CP/M emulator and target a CP/M environment, but whether > generated= code is dependent on the environment is usually a function of > the nature= of the code itself, not the compiler. > > There's also sdcc which comes w= ith full source code. > http://sdcc.sourceforge.net/ > > To my knowledge n= o one has used these with Mailstation yet. If you want > to generate short = swaths of code I think you wouldn't have to do > anything special. If you w= ant to use the standard library they provide, > you'll need to modify them = so that they use the built in I/O routines or > you need to write your own = i/o routines. > > -- John. What you said finally sunk in to my brain toda= y. I don't think we would need the putchar or getchar routines at all, as = long as we are not writing an old-fashioned-user-interface style program. = (O-FUI????) If you are writing an event-driven GUI style app, you = don't ever do any input yourself. The OS receives the input, and packages= up the keystrokes from the keyboard (and input from other devices) and pa= sses them to your program as *parameters* in calls to your apps event-handl= er. You would never call getchar. This is the format for the mailstations= event records: (who, signal, this, that) "who" is the app number tha= t the event is for. "signal" is the event type (such as keydown, keyup, etc= ). "this" and "that" are the data payload that go with the particular event= . In the case of key events, "this" is scancode, and "that" is ascii. A ma= ilstation app is basically an event handler. The mailstation OS passes the= se parameters to your apps event handler: handleevent(who, state, sign= al, this, that); "state" is a single byte state variable that the OS keeps= track of for your app, between calls to handleevent. (handleevent returns= this "state" on exit as the function result.) The other four parameters = are the event. --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15501 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2006 01:44:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2006 01:44:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.163) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2006 01:44:25 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n20.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2006 01:33:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2006 01:33:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2006 01:33:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 01:33:57 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: mailstation signals & events X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=PSJQMy8tgFoMPSTg9TQANNuJNtBdqjG5iGUBqKg0HSgbNAuaW13e_vIqqw X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1403 Lines: 67 I don't really know what these should be called. I named the "event type" = field as "signal" in my notes. There is a queue that the events and such ar= e placed in. At first I was calling it "msgQ", when I didn't have any idea= what the messages were. When I realized some of them were keyboard input,= I changed it to "eventQ". But then I noticed some of the items did not ma= tch my idea of "event", such as signal #0d which means "draw yourself". Ma= ny of the signals are what I would call "commands" rather than "events". T= hese are the signals that I have figured out so far. Some are just guesses,= based on what *seemed* to be happening where I saw them used. (I am quite= sure that 01 thru 0d are correct.) These values are passed to your apps "= handleevent" function, in the "signal" param. ;; signals: 01 - init app 0= 2 - ??? 03 - go prev 04 - go main 05 - timer 06 - keydown, top keyrow (may= be should call it buttondown???) 07 - keyup, top keyrow 08 - keydown, norma= l key 09 - keyup, normal key 0A - menu event??? 0B 0C 0d - draw 0e - creat= e file??? widget 4 0f - close file??? widget 4. also sent before setting= widget as avail. (removing widget) 10 - init???? or maybe to focus??? 11 = - clean up???? or maybe to un-focus??? 13 - check dataflash??? 19:7b88 1= 4 - exit??? 15 - 16 - for "change font"??? 56 - download email??? [19:= 7f4c] --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44947 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2006 05:19:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2006 05:19:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.180) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2006 05:19:26 -0000 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id e30so847106pya for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:19:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.37.18 with SMTP id p18mr5031519pyj; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:19:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.74.18 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:19:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:19:26 -0700 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "John R." From: "John R." Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] mailstation signals & event X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=bCu2rwHxB2QiRhjd_RxlCflNPGJpQ1BuYDRQze5Uals2wuJotQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 1121 Lines: 25 On 7/31/06, Cyrano Jones wrote: > I don't really know what these should be called. I > named the "event type" field as "signal" in my notes. Great detective work. I think you had it right in the first place: looks like a garden variety message queue. Having all events placed on the queue allows a simple idle loop where your app is just a big switch case in which you process the next message from the queue. Most GUI programs are architected this way: your application is associated with a window which is associated with a message queue. All mouse and keyboard events typically go into the queue; the same for paint events, button clicks, etc. It looks like init/cleanup (lifecycle) also go through the event queue. The reason for a message queue like this is typically to keep interrupt latency low (post to queue and process messages on idle and/or bottom half of interrupt handler, i.e. run only when it is safe). It also facilitates cooperative multitasking since the "kernel" can easily switch between processing the queue for one application to another without disruption. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61157 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2006 05:36:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2006 05:36:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.176) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2006 05:36:06 -0000 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id i75so928621pye for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:34:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.61.14 with SMTP id o14mr5072950pyk; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:34:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.74.18 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:34:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:34:05 -0700 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1142184784.10568.267.camel@aragorn> X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "John R." From: "John R." Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Where to start ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=fPjgGQWKj3JX7cLBq_urzE2dJVPKC-xTzCrNtHi9sWTfqybYUg X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 1645 Lines: 43 On 7/31/06, Cyrano Jones > What you said finally sunk in to my brain today. I don't think we would > need the putchar or getchar routines at all, as long as we are not writing > an old-fashioned-user-interface style program. (O-FUI????) CLI (command line interface) > > If you are writing an event-driven GUI style app, you don't ever > do any input yourself. The OS receives the input, and packages up the > keystrokes from the keyboard (and input from other devices) and > passes them to your program as *parameters* in calls to your apps > event-handler. You would never call getchar. > True. > This is the format for the mailstations event records: > (who, signal, this, that) > > "who" is the app number that the event is for. > "signal" is the event type (such as keydown, keyup, etc). > "this" and "that" are the data payload that go with the particular event. > In the case of key events, "this" is scancode, and "that" is ascii. > > A mailstation app is basically an event handler. Come to think of it, what program isn't? ;-) > "state" is a single byte state variable that the OS keeps track of > for your app, between calls to handleevent. (handleevent returns > this "state" on exit as the function result.) I typically call this state a "cookie" or "(execution) context." The server/kernel/OS lets you register it with the system and it just returns it to the client application as-is. I would guess it is fairly easy to trade the cookie for a memory pointer which holds the rest of the application's state (object oriented types would call this memory "Self" or "This"). -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ppc7447@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79971 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2006 11:35:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2006 11:35:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9c.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.200) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2006 11:35:26 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.123] by n9.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2006 11:35:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by t4.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2006 11:35:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2006 11:35:21 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:35:19 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <44CDD7B1.16199.E0EC111@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "ppc7447" Subject: Re: question about Z80 code X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=232398749; y=oIqbHUQAdNIc8xbaoWyoQ7RwD_6qePVu6Xa6Di041rQplA X-Yahoo-Profile: ppc7447 Status: RO Content-Length: 1483 Lines: 59 For something like that, you might have more luck with an Apple eMate. The= y're cheap (about $30 or so) and nearly indestructible (they were initiall= y designed for education...) The battery lasts for ages, and the Newton O= S is really easy to use. -R --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony = Albert" wrote: > > On 29 Jul 2006 at 2:33, Cyrano Jones wrote:= > [SNIP] > >> The mailstations I would love to make into a portable word = processor > >> (for me) and a pre-schooler's "laptop" for my grandsons. Is= that > >> anywhere feasible yet or even for the near future? > > > >Defi= ne "feasible"... :-) :-) :-) > > > >-- CJ > > If you set them up to di= al-in and send email, then you can use them as > a word processor to a cer= tain degree - simply compose your text in an > email message, and [ save i= t as a draft | send it as email ] to your > desktop computer. > > Anthony= Albert > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D > Anthony J. Albert = albert@... > Systems and Software Support Specialist Postmas= ter > Computer Services - University of Maine, Presque Isle > "For, you se= e, so many out-of-the-way things had happened > lately, that Alice had beg= un to thing that very few > things indeed were really impossible."-Alice i= n Wonderland > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: niklaus37217@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84800 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2006 21:59:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2006 21:59:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56207.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (216.252.110.216) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2006 21:59:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 52290 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Aug 2006 21:58:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20060801215829.52288.qmail@...> Received: from [170.143.252.33] by web56207.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:58:29 PDT Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:58:29 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Gary Clouse Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Where to start ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=154404643; y=7q-DcQ8jVo0n_BwDonFpaTTFwfFdospwvsfoKRWz7cO9x_f6FFAN X-Yahoo-Profile: niklaus37217 Status: RO Content-Length: 3036 Lines: 105 There are a few cross-compiler versions of small-C that run under dos and output target code for various 8 bit cpus. Have to look around for one. --- Cyrano Jones wrote: > --- About 4 months ago, "John R. Hogerhuis" > wrote: > > > > On Sun, 2006-03-12 at 11:29 +0000, Cyrano Jones > wrote: > > > --- "benjaminmaggi" wrote: > > > > > > > I've brought MailStation model DET1 with the > hope to start puting my > > > > own programs in it, but i dont know where to > start, > > > > > There is no compiler yet. Can you program in > z80 assembler? > > > > > > A free cross-assembler (as80) is in the file > area, under mailbug > > > directory. There is also a "hello world" > example. > > > > > > Well there are lots of C and Pascal compilers for > Z80. Most of them need > > to run under a CP/M emulator and target a CP/M > environment, but whether > > generated code is dependent on the environment is > usually a function of > > the nature of the code itself, not the compiler. > > > > There's also sdcc which comes with full source > code. > > http://sdcc.sourceforge.net/ > > > > To my knowledge no one has used these with > Mailstation yet. If you want > > to generate short swaths of code I think you > wouldn't have to do > > anything special. If you want to use the standard > library they provide, > > you'll need to modify them so that they use the > built in I/O routines or > > you need to write your own i/o routines. > > > > -- John. > > What you said finally sunk in to my brain today. I > don't think we would > need the putchar or getchar routines at all, as long > as we are not writing > an old-fashioned-user-interface style program. > (O-FUI????) > > If you are writing an event-driven GUI style app, > you don't ever > do any input yourself. The OS receives the input, > and packages up the > keystrokes from the keyboard (and input from other > devices) and > passes them to your program as *parameters* in calls > to your apps > event-handler. You would never call getchar. > > This is the format for the mailstations event > records: > (who, signal, this, that) > > "who" is the app number that the event is for. > "signal" is the event type (such as keydown, keyup, > etc). > "this" and "that" are the data payload that go with > the particular event. > In the case of key events, "this" is scancode, and > "that" is ascii. > > A mailstation app is basically an event handler. > The mailstation > OS passes these parameters to your apps event > handler: > handleevent(who, state, signal, this, that); > > "state" is a single byte state variable that the OS > keeps track of > for your app, between calls to handleevent. > (handleevent returns > this "state" on exit as the function result.) > The other four parameters are the event. > > --CJ > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31565 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2006 06:22:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Aug 2006 06:22:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.179) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2006 06:22:13 -0000 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c59so287977pyc for ; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 23:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.94.2 with SMTP id w2mr2792741pyl; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 23:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.74.18 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:22:02 -0700 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060801215829.52288.qmail@...> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060801215829.52288.qmail@...> X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "John R." From: "John R." Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Where to start ? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=A8o_MFs1Am8KU4DMbb_qiwcsdfV6_ixSCOcKoxfVk6mRNSWH6g X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 291 Lines: 12 On 8/1/06, Gary Clouse wrote: > There are a few cross-compiler versions of small-C > that run under dos and output target code for various > 8 bit cpus. Have to look around for one. > SDCC, a C compiler, : http://sdcc.sourceforge.net/ It already targets Z80. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jack@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57331 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2006 03:10:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2006 03:10:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8b.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.175) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2006 03:10:30 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.122] by n8.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2006 03:09:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t3.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2006 03:09:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2006 03:09:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 03:09:41 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "microguyalso" Subject: I hope I'm not too late to be getting anything out of this. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=285199126; y=gd5Wb24-rh0F-A5ahNak_IBlSc5N7Ir90AZEHj8dlGURAdNpl6OR X-Yahoo-Profile: microguyalso Status: RO Content-Length: 1133 Lines: 45 I bought a MS 100 (DET1 I think) a while back simply because I was looking = for the parts. (case, LCD, keyboard etc...) What I had planned on doing wa= s ripping out the main board and replacing it with one of my own design. B= ut after finding out that this is a Z-80 based system (what I had planned t= o use), it'd be really nice to be able to use it as is. So what *I* would = like to do is re-blast the system to make it a simple, single board compute= r, with (to start) machine code entry, then use that (plus a PC) to get it = up to a system that could enter regular Z-80 assembler, then compile and ru= n. (I guess connect it to a PC to blast the code to the MS and then boot i= t up, then I can use the keyboard from there) I don't want fancy-schmancy = email or anything. Just run simple code. Although using the ports and mo= dem later for stuff is certianly an option later. Anything close to that o= ut there or am I better off ripping everything out and putting my own guts = in there?? Thanks, and thanks for the work done up til now, I'm pretty imp= ressed with the level of work done on this thing. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87679 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2006 04:21:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2006 04:21:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.180) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2006 04:21:21 -0000 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id x66so1315214pye for ; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 21:21:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.40.10 with SMTP id s10mr7276235pyj; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 21:21:20 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from NewBaby ( [209.121.230.219]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id i72sm605896pye.2006.10.06.21.21.18; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 21:21:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <062d01c6e9c8$091bb6a0$dbe679d1@NewBaby> To: References: Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 21:15:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0613_01C6E98C.83ACA1E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] I hope I'm not too late to be getting anything out of this. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=pmVTeQp1-DCxcgkVtxbE4JVFvhdATcBuFp1-nypcACtVBJJb3g X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 4389 Lines: 145 ------=_NextPart_000_0613_01C6E98C.83ACA1E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Have you looked at the old messages and the files? Neil ----- Origina= l Message ----- From: microguyalso I bought a MS 100 (DET1 I think)= a while back simply because I was looking for the parts. (case, LCD, key= board etc...) What I had planned on doing was ripping out the main board= and replacing it with one of my own design. But after finding out tha= t this is a Z-80 based system (what I had planned to use), it'd be really= nice to be able to use it as is. So what *I* would like to do is re-bla= st the system to make it a simple, single board computer, with (to start)= machine code entry, then use that (plus a PC) to get it up to a system t= hat could enter regular Z-80 assembler, then compile and run. (I guess= connect it to a PC to blast the code to the MS and then boot it up, then= I can use the keyboard from there) I don't want fancy-schmancy email or= anything. Just run simple code. Although using the ports and modem later= for stuff is certianly an option later. Anything close to that out th= ere or am I better off ripping everything out and putting my own guts in = there?? Thanks, and thanks for the work done up til now, I'm pretty impr= essed with the level of work done on this thing. . ------=_NextPart_000_0613_01C6E98C.83ACA1E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
           
          Have you looked at the old me= ssages and the files?
           
          =
          Neil
           
           
          ----- Original M= essage -----

          =

          I bought a MS 100 (DET1 I think) a while back sim= ply because I was
          looking for the parts. (case, LCD, keyboard etc...)=

          What I had planned on doing was ripping out the main board andreplacing it with one of my own design.

          But after finding out t= hat this is a Z-80 based system (what I had
          planned to use), it'd be = really nice to be able to use it as is.

          So what *I* would like to= do is re-blast the system to make it a
          simple, single board computer= , with (to start) machine code entry,
          then use that (plus a PC) to ge= t it up to a system that could enter
          regular Z-80 assembler, then com= pile and run.

          (I guess connect it to a PC to blast the code to th= e MS and then boot
          it up, then I can use the keyboard from there)
          =
          I don't want fancy-schmancy email or anything. Just run simple code.=
          Although using the ports and modem later for stuff is certianly anoption later.

          Anything close to that out there or am I better o= ff ripping everything
          out and putting my own guts in there??

          T= hanks, and thanks for the work done up til now, I'm pretty impressed
          = with the level of work done on this thing.

          .

          ------=_NextPart_000_0613_01C6E98C.83ACA1E0-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95354 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2006 16:39:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2006 16:39:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.183) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2006 16:39:52 -0000 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id x66so1491961pye for ; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 09:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.114.16 with SMTP id r16mr8477658pym; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 09:39:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.74.11 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 09:39:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 09:39:41 -0700 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "John R." From: "John R." Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] I hope I'm not too late to be getting anything out of this. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=Iv_eDNJK5C52BI9QLSZlfk2js1FdGCcJiYNxWOH6pq_bSRpW0w X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 65 Lines: 4 Yes, there is a target debugger in the files section. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38850 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2006 18:51:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2006 18:51:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.187.151) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2006 18:51:27 -0000 Received: from [66.163.187.121] by n8.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2006 18:45:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by t2.bullet.sc5.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2006 18:45:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2006 18:45:56 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 18:45:55 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: I hope I'm not too late to be getting anything out of this. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=rPR3KLVB9E-ZhGsJjO65ladbtCXSf0Zhvh9zk99xrV7jWSKjejFU9xw_Zg X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 3898 Lines: 137 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "microguyalso" wrote: > So = what *I* would like to do is re-blast the system to make it a > simple, sin= gle board computer, with (to start) machine code entry, > then use that (pl= us a PC) to get it up to a system that could enter > regular Z-80 assembler= , then compile and run. Blast away! But unless you are a reeeeeally good = programmer, and won't need to reflash a second (or 498th) time, you will wa= nt to be careful to not erase the reflash code. :-) In the files section= there is a remote debugger (mailbug) which is still a work in "progress" (= ha ha ha). The currently posted version (0.0.3, I think) will let you ins= tall a program called "sboot" into the mailstation codeflash. After sboot = is flashed, mailbug will use it (sboot) to load the remote half of the debu= gger, called "mbug" into mailstation RAM. Together, mailbug and mbug give = you access to the mailstation hardware. You can load code into the RAM and= execute it, or flash it somewhere in codeflash. With sboot flashed into y= our codeflash, you will need to keep your mailstation connected to your PC = (via parallel laplink cable), because all sboot knows how to do is load mbu= g over laplink. You can test your code in ram, or flash it to high codeflas= h page, but you will need the PC and mailbug to execute it. You could alwa= ys overwrite sboot with a jump to your new code after you've tested it, but= then, unless you leave some kind of back door, you won't be able to flash = any newer version of your code. I was kicking around various ideas on how = a next version of sboot would work, (in particular I wanted it to both be a= ble to boot directly to your new code without PC attached, and still give = mailbug access if PC was attached), when I figured out enough about how th= e mailstation apps work to write a simple app. I wrote an app that just du= mped the codeflash over the laplink. Pretty cool! (At least I thought so.)= The only problem was I had to enter it via the mailstations hex editor. = Why not use mailbug to load it, you may ask. Because installing sboot enta= ils erasing the mailstation codeflash. And you can't dump it after it's er= ased. :-) Mailbug, in addition to the remote debug type of functions, has= a few functions that work with stock mailstation (read serial number, refl= ash code, load splash screen data). I started to add function to catch the = dump over laplink, but before I got it polished up, I decided a better id= ea would be to just load a version of sboot as an app. I actually poked i= n a shortened version of sboot, about 150 bytes, with the hex editor. It = worked, sort of. But entering with hex editor was kind of tedious. Then = I had a brainstorm! Why not embed the app in the splash screen data!!! Th= en I'd only need to type enough bytes with hex editor (in the app space) to= jump to the splash screen! That works, but there is still a bit of work to= do to get mailbug to sync up with the "bootapp". I got side-tracked from = that a couple of months ago, when I found an example showing how to control= the parallel port from windows, (theoretically including XP). So, for the= last several weeks, I have been converting mailbug to a win32 application.= Just about 3 days ago, I got this version to "talk to the port", but I'v= e only tested under 98 so far. The dll is supposed to work with any versi= on of windows, I just don't have NT, 2000, or XP. There is still a whole l= ot to do to get it working with all the functionality of the DOS version. = Things like project selection, and file selection were somewhat crude in la= st version, but they use standard open dialogs now. Yay. > Thanks, and t= hanks for the work done up til now, I'm > pretty impressed with the level = of work done on this > thing. :-) -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: carly10071945@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11037 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2006 16:50:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2006 16:50:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2006 16:50:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2006 16:49:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Oct 2006 16:49:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 16:49:15 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "carly10071945" Subject: Ebay mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185541230; y=IYu1rGSWAGOyHceJyP-68HlUiM173k1NtOyUz6Jln3RkjNCVj-pKjw X-Yahoo-Profile: carly10071945 Status: RO Content-Length: 350 Lines: 14 I just want to purchase a mailstation for my sister (in her 70's). Are the= y still working OK? She is in Hendersonville NC. Would it be easy to get i= t set up for her? If it has already been used, is it a big hassle to get = it going? What is the cheapest way to go in this situation? (Both in aquir= ing one and getting dial-up service) From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34539 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2006 17:19:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Oct 2006 17:19:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.182) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2006 17:19:44 -0000 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id w49so837255pyg for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.102.18 with SMTP id e18mr8478866pym; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from NewBaby ( [209.121.230.219]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id n80sm496713pye.2006.10.14.10.15.07; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <194e01c6efb4$4cc0e6e0$dbe679d1@NewBaby> To: References: Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:05:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_1942_01C6EF78.41462D70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Ebay mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=6IbFRh-fA1rbOb1DS_ZIVPBsRgqVS3eJVjUirk9I2wLgQl7GBQ X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 2865 Lines: 93 ------=_NextPart_000_1942_01C6EF78.41462D70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have had good luck with the Yahoo model. The ones I got can be altered t= o use any dial up ISP. I bought mine on eBay. Neil ----- Original Messa= ge ----- From: carly10071945 I just want to purchase a mailstation = for my sister (in her 70's). Are they still working OK? She is in Hend= ersonville NC. Would it be easy to get it set up for her? If it has a= lready been used, is it a big hassle to get it going? What is the cheape= st way to go in this situation? (Both in aquiring one and getting dial-u= p service) . ------=_NextPart_000_1942_01C6EF78.41462D70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
           
          I have had good luck with the= Yahoo model. The ones I got can be altered to use any dial up ISP. I= bought mine on eBay.
           
          =
          Neil
           
          ----- Original Message -----

          I just want to purchase a mailstation for my sister (in = her 70's).
          Are they still working OK?
          She is in Hendersonville NC= . Would it be easy to get it set up for
          her?
          If it has already b= een used, is it a big hassle to get it going?
          What is the cheapest w= ay to go in this situation? (Both in aquiring
          one and getting dial-u= p service)

          .

          ------=_NextPart_000_1942_01C6EF78.41462D70-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30296 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2006 02:41:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2006 02:41:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO defout.telus.net) (199.185.220.240) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2006 02:41:42 -0000 Received: from priv-edtnaa05.telusplanet.net ([209.121.230.219]) by priv-edtnes86.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.7.05.01.01 201-2174-106-103-20060222) with ESMTP id <20061016024131.YOCO22441.priv-edtnes86.telusplanet.net@...> for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:41:31 -0600 Received: from NewBaby (d209-121-230-219.bchsia.telus.net [209.121.230.219]) by priv-edtnaa05.telusplanet.net (BorderWare MXtreme Infinity Mail Firewall) with SMTP id D8MWCWU1NP for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:41:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <263c01c6f0cc$95622670$dbe679d1@NewBaby> To: Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:35:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_2639_01C6F091.1AD3CC50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: FYI: Presto X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=nLoVuLqvBz479zriMBlLXhNyHMdnxykq1bAcgi8HNCgHskJa3g X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 1395 Lines: 52 ------=_NextPart_000_2639_01C6F091.1AD3CC50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.presto.com/ =93Wouldn't it be great if you could send e-mail a= nd digital photos to your parents without requiring them to learn how to us= e a personal computer?=94 Neil ------=_NextPart_000_2639_01C6F091.1AD3CC50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable = =
           
          <= DIV>http://www.presto.com/  
          =93Wouldn= 't it be great if you could send e-mail and digital photos to your parents= without requiring them to learn how to use a personal computer?=94=
           
          Neil
           
          =  
          ------=_NextPart_000_2639_01C6F091.1AD3CC50-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19380 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2006 15:56:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Oct 2006 15:56:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.22) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Oct 2006 15:55:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2006 15:47:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Oct 2006 15:47:15 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:47:15 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <263c01c6f0cc$95622670$dbe679d1@NewBaby> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "iwireless2001" Subject: Re: FYI: Presto X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=8yW_F4p13lmv0uSCOeANRdLrtHHmr8UzgNtC4nX8Ec_vce1ny6zNqA X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 893 Lines: 53 Gee, you would have thought that somebody as big as HP would have figured = out a way to make it work in BOTH directions. It is great that they can g= et photos now. But they can't send those photos !!!! Unless HP comes out w= ith a second unit that does both send and receive, I don't see this going = very far ???? But then, that is my conclusion !! What we REALLY need out = there is an Upgrade to the Mailstation 350 unit, (with all the new tech ad= vances lately) which would do the email and pictures !!! HP should partne= r with somebody to build the unit........ Wayne Iwireless --- I= n mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Morrison" wrote: > > = > http://www.presto.com/ > > "Wouldn't it be great if you could send e-ma= il and digital photos to your parents without requiring them to learn how = to use a personal computer?" > > Neil > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 988 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2006 02:05:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2006 02:05:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.178) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2006 02:05:30 -0000 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id n25so2602119pyg for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:58:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.99.6 with SMTP id b6mr14133504pym; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from NewBaby ( [209.121.230.219]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id q71sm1266179pyg.2006.10.16.18.58.54; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <283f01c6f18f$cc75d710$dbe679d1@NewBaby> To: References: Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:56:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_2829_01C6F154.D1EC77C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] FYI: Presto X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=0hvvJO0jjuo-F80p18O5W2TDmOjrDGRwgtCih2ARIXajp0KNtg X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 3268 Lines: 110 ------=_NextPart_000_2829_01C6F154.D1EC77C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You'd basically wind up with an all-in-one unit - one that can email as wel= l as fax!! Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: iwireless2001 = Gee, you would have thought that somebody as big as HP would have figu= red out a way to make it work in BOTH directions. It is great that they = can get photos now. But they can't send those photos !!!! Unless HP come= s out with a second unit that does both send and receive, I don't see th= is going very far ???? But then, that is my conclusion !! What we REA= LLY need out there is an Upgrade to the Mailstation 350 unit, (with all = the new tech advances lately) which would do the email and pictures !!! = HP should partner with somebody to build the unit........ Wayne Iwi= reless . ------=_NextPart_000_2829_01C6F154.D1EC77C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
          You'd basically wind up with an all-in-one unit - one that can email= as well as fax!!
           
          Neil
           
          <= BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5p= x; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
          ----- Original Message -----

          Gee, you would= have thought that somebody as big as HP would have
          figured out a wa= y to make it work in BOTH directions. It is great
          that they can get = photos now. But they can't send those photos !!!!

          Unless HP comes= out with a second unit that does both send and
          receive, I don't see= this going very far ????

          But then, that is my conclusion !!
          <= BR>What we REALLY need out there is an Upgrade to the Mailstation 350 unit, (with all the new tech advances lately) which would do the
          emai= l and pictures !!! HP should partner with somebody to build the
          u= nit........

          Wayne
          Iwireless

          .

          ------=_NextPart_000_2829_01C6F154.D1EC77C0-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: niklaus37217@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96747 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2006 15:55:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2006 15:55:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56213.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (216.252.110.222) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2006 15:55:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 47891 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Oct 2006 15:55:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20061020155507.47889.qmail@...> Received: from [170.143.252.33] by web56213.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:55:07 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:55:07 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Gary Clouse Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: FYI: Presto X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=154404643; y=yKBPSIUbyZFpzueZgaC5DHzWkdQMgm1PwqejNBCkKwKqrfS_HNLa X-Yahoo-Profile: niklaus37217 Status: RO Content-Length: 2113 Lines: 83 There is something that does all that. It's called msntv.Of course you have to put up with the Microsoft tax, and allow Microsoft to scan your email, tv viewing selections, and web useage logs for personal information they sell to advertisers. Compaq (now a part of HP, manufactured the IPAQ IA-1 and IA-2 Web terminals. these included a 56k modem, monitor, sound, keyboard, and usb ports in a compact standalone unit. The run a flash based version of Windows CE and would allow a user to quickly connect to MSN. A special version of the IA-1, known as the Clipper, had similar capabilities but included a 10baseT ethernet port, used the BeIA (BEOS for Internet Appliances) OS, and was not explicitly locked to MSN. Clippers will work well with an internet connection through a cable modem, but are somewhat rare as Microsoft used it monopoly power to leverage anti-competitive contracts that forced Compaq to discontinue the Clipper. --- iwireless2001 wrote: > Gee, you would have thought that somebody as big as > HP would have > figured out a way to make it work in BOTH > directions. It is great > that they can get photos now. But they can't send > those photos !!!! > > Unless HP comes out with a second unit that does > both send and > receive, I don't see this going very far ???? > > But then, that is my conclusion !! > > What we REALLY need out there is an Upgrade to the > Mailstation 350 > unit, (with all the new tech advances lately) which > would do the > email and pictures !!! HP should partner with > somebody to build the > unit........ > > Wayne > Iwireless > > > > > > > > > > > --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Morrison" > > wrote: > > > > > > http://www.presto.com/ > > > > "Wouldn't it be great if you could send e-mail and > digital photos > to your parents without requiring them to learn how > to use a personal > computer?" > > > > Neil > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74703 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2006 16:55:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2006 16:55:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.172) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2006 16:55:37 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 78so773856ugn for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.131.8 with SMTP id e8mr2273404hud; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from NewBaby ( [209.121.230.219]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id a18sm881472hub.2006.10.20.09.42.59; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:43:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <687601c6f466$cda9b2d0$dbe679d1@NewBaby> To: References: <20061020155507.47889.qmail@...> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:39:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_6860_01C6F42B.9B599BF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: FYI: Presto X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=6f8Ai98dxDQXsK0h8_TNSqliq76ZEV_RuwvlubhmT_jFOtiDAA X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 2399 Lines: 81 ------=_NextPart_000_6860_01C6F42B.9B599BF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maybe what is needed is a Linux mail appliance! Neil ----- Original Mes= sage ----- From: Gary Clouse They run a flash based version of Wi= ndows CE and would allow a user to quickly connect to MSN. .... Microsof= t used its monopoly power to leverage anti-competitive contracts that for= ced Compaq to discontinue the Clipper. . ------=_NextPart_000_6860_01C6F42B.9B599BF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
          Maybe what is needed is a Linux mail appliance!
          Neil
          =  
          ----- Original Message --= ---

          They run a flash based version of
          Windows CE and= would allow a user to quickly connect
          to MSN. ....  Micros= oft used its monopoly power to leverage
          anti-competitive contracts th= at forced Compaq to
          discontinue the Clipper.

          .

          ------=_NextPart_000_6860_01C6F42B.9B599BF0-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15657 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2006 19:45:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2006 19:45:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (208.186.161.99) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2006 19:45:03 -0000 Received: from computer1 (computer1.handypage5.net [192.168.101.21]) by www.handypage.net (8.13.6/8.13.6/netmax) with SMTP id k9NJlVTX010678 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:47:31 -0700 To: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:45:52 -0700 Message-ID: <002e01c6f6db$d9b7cd10$1565a8c0@computer1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01C6F6A1.2D58F510" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 In-Reply-To: <687601c6f466$cda9b2d0$dbe679d1@NewBaby> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/2086/Mon Oct 23 10:41:23 2006 on www.handypage.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "wayne" Reply-To: Subject: RE: [mailstation] Re: FYI: Presto X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=kU2j0yjvAO7ZzyckVF_JFUR9PkyhHQJB3E0S54Elym62yznNrJ_ypg X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 4701 Lines: 153 ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C6F6A1.2D58F510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You have a point there !!! That would have to stay under the "Free" Linux license. It could be an Open service for any ISP or email service. The main problem is WHO would make it, and sell it, and still get any income for it to make it profitable to do that ??? Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil Morrison Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 9:39 AM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: FYI: Presto Maybe what is needed is a Linux mail appliance! Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Clouse They run a flash based version of Windows CE and would allow a user to quickly connect to MSN. .... Microsoft used its monopoly power to leverage anti-competitive contracts that forced Compaq to discontinue the Clipper. . ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C6F6A1.2D58F510 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= /HEAD>
          You have a point = there !!!
           
          Tha= t would have to stay under the "Free" Linux license.
          <= DIV> 
          It could be an Open service for a= ny ISP or email service.
          The main problem is WH= O would make it, and sell it,
          and still get an= y income for it to make it profitable to
          do tha= t ???
           
          Wayne=
          -----Original Message--= ---
          From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yaho= ogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil Morrison
          Sent: Friday, Oc= tober 20, 2006 9:39 AM
          To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
          S= ubject: Re: [mailstation] Re: FYI: Presto

          Maybe what is needed is a Lin= ux mail appliance!
           
          =
          Neil
           <= /DIV>
          ----- Original Message -----

          They run a = flash based version of
          Windows CE and would allow a user to quickly= connect
          to MSN. ....  Microsoft used its monopoly power = to leverage
          anti-competitive contracts that forced Compaq to
          dis= continue the Clipper.

          .<= /DIV>

          <= !--End group email -->
          ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C6F6A1.2D58F510-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ab8kf@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58027 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2006 20:20:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Oct 2006 20:20:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51010.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.129) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2006 20:20:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 59299 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Oct 2006 20:20:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20061023202034.59297.qmail@...> Received: from [155.98.60.96] by web51010.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:20:34 PDT Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:20:34 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1071998747-1161634834=:58413" X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Sean Walton Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: FYI: Presto X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157967598; y=fVamiRkDQNRXZ8xTmvYZCs4EJqm65I3il8edDf8-4dY X-Yahoo-Profile: ab8kf Status: RO Content-Length: 11291 Lines: 508 --0-1071998747-1161634834=:58413 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is a precendent here that a company can leverage. The problem is ess= entially where would a company get the income to be able to offer the servi= ce AND remain profitable. It all comes down to the market: if the customer= doesn't put in the dough, someone else must. Yahoo places an advertisemen= t in the message that it transmits. Every click on the ad pays Yahoo $ (mi= nd you, it's only a few cents, if that!). In order to keep a service alive= , a company needs a baseline: Hardware + air conditioning = + redundant hardware + back up power + data back up = Personel + technicians + programmers + management = + (accountants) + "human" resources Facilities/Internal= Services + leases + taxes + utilities (water, powe= r, phone, internet, gas) + janitorial + security (Hire-a-ba= dge) + data banks/records External Services + tax consu= lting + business insurance + liability insurance + = [full timers] health insurance I think it's pretty clear that a regular bu= siness pays a load of money for a "simple" service. BTW, "basement" servic= es are usually frowned on by ISPs. -MetalGimp ----- Original Message ---- = From: wayne To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mo= nday, October 23, 2006 1:45:52 PM Subject: RE: [mailstation] Re: FYI: Prest= o You have a point there !!! That = would have to stay under the "Free" Linux license. It could be an Open= service for any ISP or email service. The main problem is WHO would make= it, and sell it, and still get any income for it to make it profitable = to do that ??? Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation= @ yahoogroups. com [mailto:mailstation @yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Ne= il Morrison Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 9:39 AM To: mailstation@ y= ahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: FYI: Presto M= aybe what is needed is a Linux mail appliance! Neil --= --- Original Message ----- From: Gary Clouse T= hey run a flash based version of Windows CE and would allow a user to = quickly connect to MSN. .... Microsoft used its monopoly power to lev= erage anti-competitive contracts that forced Compaq to discontinue the= Clipper. . --0-1071998747-1161634834=:58413 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
          There is a precendent here that a company can lever= age.  The problem is essentially where would a company get the income = to be able to offer the service AND remain profitable.  It all comes d= own to the market: if the customer doesn't put in the dough, someone else m= ust.  Yahoo places an advertisement in the message that it transmits.&= nbsp; Every click on the ad pays Yahoo $ (mind you, it's only a few cents, = if that!).  In order to keep a service alive, a company needs a baseli= ne:

              Hardware
                 = + air conditioning
                 + redundant hardware=
                 + back up power
              =    + data back up
              Personel
            = ;     + technicians
                 + p= rogrammers
                 + management
            =      + (accountants)
                 + = "human" resources
              Facilities/Internal Services
          &nb= sp;      + leases
                 = + taxes
                 + utilities (water, power, phon= e, internet, gas)
                 + janitorial
           = ;      + security (Hire-a-badge)
             =    + data banks/records
              External Services=
                 + tax consulting
             =    + business insurance
                 + l= iability insurance
                 + [full timers] heal= th insurance

          I think it's pretty clear that a regular business pays= a load of money for a "simple" service.  BTW, "basement" services are= usually frowned on by ISPs.
          -MetalGimp

          ----- O= riginal Message ----
          From: wayne
          To: mai= lstation@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 1:45:52 PM
          Su= bject: RE: [mailstation] Re: FYI: Presto

          You have a point there !!!
           
          = That would have to stay under the "Free" Linux license.
           
          It could be an = Open service for any ISP or email service.
          The main problem is WHO would make it, and sell it,
          and still get any income for it to make it profitable to<= /font>
          do that ???
           
          = Wayne
          =
          -----Original Message-----
          From:= mailstation@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:mailstation @yahoogroups. com= ]On Behalf Of Neil Morrison
          Sent: Friday, October 20, 2= 006 9:39 AM
          To: mailstation@ yahoogroups. com
          Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: FYI: Presto

          Maybe what is needed is a Linu= x mail appliance!
           
          =
          Neil
          &n= bsp;
          =
          ----- Original Message -----
          <= div style=3D"background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-bac= kground-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-back= ground-inline-policy: -moz-initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal;= font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: n= ormal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">From: Gary Clouse

          They run a flash based version of
          Wi= ndows CE and would allow a user to quickly connect
          to MSN. ...= .  Microsoft used its monopoly power to leverage
          anti-competit= ive contracts that forced Compaq to
          discontinue the Clipper.

          .



          --0-1071998747-1161634834=:58413-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36820 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2006 16:14:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Oct 2006 16:14:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (208.186.161.99) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2006 16:14:34 -0000 Received: from computer1 (computer1.handypage5.net [192.168.101.21]) by www.handypage.net (8.13.6/8.13.6/netmax) with SMTP id k9OGAdl5032521 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:10:39 -0700 To: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:08:57 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01c6f786$b683b100$1565a8c0@computer1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C6F74C.0A24D900" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 In-Reply-To: <20061023202034.59297.qmail@...> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/2091/Tue Oct 24 06:27:53 2006 on www.handypage.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "wayne" Reply-To: Subject: RE: [mailstation] Re: FYI: Presto X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=Pm8E8QqVU8m5Ry3ppnLiHxin4Si-cX8pJPYpZsdNFmEAxA_z6Yo6cg X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 14933 Lines: 460 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C6F74C.0A24D900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Your missing the point of that !!! I would hope that a retailer would bring out the unit, just like DELL and HP, and other computer companies bring out products. The difference would be that the unit would be able to setup on "any" ISP, just like a normal computer does. I don't expect the ISP to give the email service for free !!! It would be nice however to have some choice in email package prices, and which ISP you choose. It is like the new HP unit that allows you to "Receive" pictures....that is great, but I know my Senior Citizen relatives, and they ALSO want to be able to SEND pictures, and be able to SEND and RECEIVE emails with their friends and relatives, easily without the complex knowledge of how to work a full computer. HP would have made more money if they came out with a unit that allowed a digital camera to plug into the unit and upload and send pictures back. Also a keyboard to send emails with. A mail unit that is Open to any ISP that would do EMails and pictures would easily sell out there to the General public. There just needs to be some effort by a retailer to bring that item forward !!!! Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Sean Walton Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 1:21 PM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: FYI: Presto There is a precendent here that a company can leverage. The problem is essentially where would a company get the income to be able to offer the service AND remain profitable. It all comes down to the market: if the customer doesn't put in the dough, someone else must. Yahoo places an advertisement in the message that it transmits. Every click on the ad pays Yahoo $ (mind you, it's only a few cents, if that!). In order to keep a service alive, a company needs a baseline: Hardware + air conditioning + redundant hardware + back up power + data back up Personel + technicians + programmers + management + (accountants) + "human" resources Facilities/Internal Services + leases + taxes + utilities (water, power, phone, internet, gas) + janitorial + security (Hire-a-badge) + data banks/records External Services + tax consulting + business insurance + liability insurance + [full timers] health insurance I think it's pretty clear that a regular business pays a load of money for a "simple" service. BTW, "basement" services are usually frowned on by ISPs. -MetalGimp ----- Original Message ---- From: wayne To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 1:45:52 PM Subject: RE: [mailstation] Re: FYI: Presto You have a point there !!! That would have to stay under the "Free" Linux license. It could be an Open service for any ISP or email service. The main problem is WHO would make it, and sell it, and still get any income for it to make it profitable to do that ??? Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:mailstation @yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Neil Morrison Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 9:39 AM To: mailstation@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: FYI: Presto Maybe what is needed is a Linux mail appliance! Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Clouse They run a flash based version of Windows CE and would allow a user to quickly connect to MSN. .... Microsoft used its monopoly power to leverage anti-competitive contracts that forced Compaq to discontinue the Clipper. . ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C6F74C.0A24D900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
          Your missing the po= int of that !!!
           
          I would hope that a retailer would bring out the unit, just like DELL a= nd HP, and
          other computer companies bring out = products.  The difference would be that the
          = unit would be able to setup on "any" ISP, just like a normal computer d= oes.
          <= SPAN class=3D857095815-24102006> 
          I don't= expect the ISP to give the email service for free !!!
          =
           
          It would be nice however to have= some choice in email package prices, and which
          <= FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>ISP you choose.
           
          It is like the new HP unit that allows you to "Receive" pictures....t= hat is great, but
          I know my Senior Citizen rel= atives, and they ALSO want to be able to SEND pictures,
          and be able to SEND and RECEIVE emails with their friends and rel= atives, easily without
          the complex knowledge= of how to work a full computer.
          =  
          HP would have made more money if they came out with = a unit that allowed a digital camera
          to plug= into the unit and upload and send pictures back.  Also a keyboard to = send emails with.
           
          <= DIV>A mail unit that is Open to any ISP that would do EMails a= nd pictures would easily sell
          out there to the= General public.  There just needs to be some effort by a retailer to= bring
          that item forward !!!!
           
          Wayne
             
           <= /DIV>
          -----Original Message-----
          From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On= Behalf Of Sean Walton
          Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 1:21= PM
          To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [ma= ilstation] Re: FYI: Presto

          =

          There is a precendent here that a compa= ny can leverage.  The problem is essentially where would a company = get the income to be able to offer the service AND remain profitable.&nb= sp; It all comes down to the market: if the customer doesn't put in the = dough, someone else must.  Yahoo places an advertisement in the mes= sage that it transmits.  Every click on the ad pays Yahoo $ (mind y= ou, it's only a few cents, if that!).  In order to keep a service a= live, a company needs a baseline:

              Hardware
          =        + air conditioning
             =    + redundant hardware
                 + = back up power
                 + data back up
           = ;   Personel
                 + technicia= ns
                 + programmers
             = ;    + management
                 + (acc= ountants)
                 + "human" resources
          &nbs= p;   Facilities/Internal Services
               =   + leases
                 + taxes
           &nbs= p;     + utilities (water, power, phone, internet, gas)       + janitorial
              &nb= sp;  + security (Hire-a-badge)
                 += data banks/records
              External Services
           &nb= sp;     + tax consulting
               &nbs= p; + business insurance
                 + liability = insurance
                 + [full timers] health in= surance

          I think it's pretty clear that a regular business pays a loa= d of money for a "simple" service.  BTW, "basement" services are us= ually frowned on by ISPs.
          -MetalGimp

          ----- Original Message ----
          From: wayne &l= t;waynem@handypage.net>
          To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 1:45:52 PM
          Subject: RE: [mails= tation] Re: FYI: Presto

          Y= ou have a point there !!!
          =  
          That would have to stay under the "Free" Linux lic= ense.
           
          I= t could be an Open service for any ISP or email service.
          The main problem is WHO would make it, and sell it,
          and still get any income for it to make it profi= table to
          do that ???
          =
           
          Wayne
          =
          -----Original Message-----
          From: mailstation@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:mailstation @yahoogroups. com= ]On Behalf Of Neil Morrison
          Sent: Friday, October 20,= 2006 9:39 AM
          To: mailstation@ yahoogroups. com
          Subjec= t: Re: [mailstation] Re: FYI: Presto

          Maybe what is needed i= s a Linux mail appliance!
          =  
          Neil
           
          ----- Original Message -----

          They run a flash based version of
          Windows CE and would allow= a user to quickly connect
          to MSN. ....  Microsoft used= its monopoly power to leverage
          anti-competitive contracts that f= orced Compaq to
          discontinue the Clipper.

          .



          ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C6F74C.0A24D900-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jspraul@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73701 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2006 02:57:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Oct 2006 02:57:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.22) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2006 02:57:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2006 02:57:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Oct 2006 02:57:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:57:20 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000b01c6f786$b683b100$1565a8c0@computer1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "jspraul" Subject: Re: FYI: Presto X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=84463470; y=UwNbJh-AWIfzVtTPUUHUKK9ZdbngS97BFPoyKRh6aM2-Dg X-Yahoo-Profile: jspraul Status: RO Content-Length: 4987 Lines: 230 What you are looking for (the AMD PIC pc) was offered fairly recently in th= e United States by RadioShack. Unfortunately no one was willing to subsidiz= e what it cost to put together (and it ran Windows CE...), so due to its un= popularity I can't find it as being available anymore. I think they were as= king $300 for an underpowered PC that was locked up tight and didn't even h= ave an ethernet port. (Did offer modem & usb which would meet your requirem= ents.) You can see the same device offered by ISPs in several other countr= ies as listed here: http://www.amd.com/us-en/ConnectivitySolutions/Product= Information/0,,50_2330_12264_13469,00.html More information is available a= t the product's site here: http://www.amdboard.com/pic.html ~Jed --- In = mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "wayne" wrote: > > Your missing t= he point of that !!! > > I would hope that a retailer would bring out the = unit, just like DELL and > HP, and > other computer companies bring out pro= ducts. The difference would be that > the > unit would be able to setup on= "any" ISP, just like a normal computer does. > > I don't expect the ISP t= o give the email service for free !!! > > It would be nice however to have= some choice in email package prices, and > which > ISP you choose. > > It= is like the new HP unit that allows you to "Receive" pictures....that is >= great, but > I know my Senior Citizen relatives, and they ALSO want to be = able to SEND > pictures, > and be able to SEND and RECEIVE emails with thei= r friends and relatives, > easily without > the complex knowledge of how to= work a full computer. > > HP would have made more money if they came out = with a unit that allowed a > digital camera > to plug into the unit and upl= oad and send pictures back. Also a keyboard to > send emails with. > > A = mail unit that is Open to any ISP that would do EMails and pictures would >= easily sell > out there to the General public. There just needs to be som= e effort by a > retailer to bring > that item forward !!!! > > Wayne > > = > -----Original Message----- > From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mail= to:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On > Behalf Of Sean Walton > Sent: Monday,= October 23, 2006 1:21 PM > To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com > Subject: = Re: [mailstation] Re: FYI: Presto > > > > There is a precendent here t= hat a company can leverage. The problem is > essentially where would a com= pany get the income to be able to offer the > service AND remain profitable= . It all comes down to the market: if the > customer doesn't put in the do= ugh, someone else must. Yahoo places an > advertisement in the message tha= t it transmits. Every click on the ad pays > Yahoo $ (mind you, it's only = a few cents, if that!). In order to keep a > service alive, a company need= s a baseline: > > Hardware > + air conditioning > = + redundant hardware > + back up power > + data back up >= Personel > + technicians > + programmers > = + management > + (accountants) > + "human" resources > = Facilities/Internal Services > + leases > + taxes >= + utilities (water, power, phone, internet, gas) > + jan= itorial > + security (Hire-a-badge) > + data banks/record= s > External Services > + tax consulting > + busine= ss insurance > + liability insurance > + [full timers] he= alth insurance > > I think it's pretty clear that a regular business pay= s a load of money for > a "simple" service. BTW, "basement" services are u= sually frowned on by > ISPs. > -MetalGimp > > > ----- Original Messag= e ---- > From: wayne > To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com > = Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 1:45:52 PM > Subject: RE: [mailstation] R= e: FYI: Presto > > > > You have a point there !!! > > That would ha= ve to stay under the "Free" Linux license. > > It could be an Open servi= ce for any ISP or email service. > The main problem is WHO would make it,= and sell it, > and still get any income for it to make it profitable to = > do that ??? > > Wayne > -----Original Message----- > From: m= ailstation@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:mailstation @yahoogroups. > com]On Beh= alf Of Neil Morrison > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 9:39 AM > To:= mailstation@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: FYI: Pr= esto > > > > Maybe what is needed is a Linux mail appliance! > > = Neil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gary Clouse > = > > They run a flash based version of > Windows CE and would = allow a user to quickly connect > to MSN. .... Microsoft used its mo= nopoly power to leverage > anti-competitive contracts that forced Com= paq to > discontinue the Clipper. > > . > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: niklaus37217@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30478 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 22:24:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2006 22:24:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web56207.mail.re3.yahoo.com) (216.252.110.216) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2006 22:24:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 83393 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Oct 2006 22:23:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20061027222327.83391.qmail@...> Received: from [170.143.252.33] by web56207.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:23:27 PDT Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:23:27 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000b01c6f786$b683b100$1565a8c0@computer1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Gary Clouse Subject: RE: [mailstation] Re: FYI: Presto X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=154404643; y=TXfLqBGtk7qBMXDmk1b8QGdvFhorr63Tx_eBJGxAzE9mEy0ctCy5 X-Yahoo-Profile: niklaus37217 Status: RO Content-Length: 4729 Lines: 185 A linux web appliance.... There have been many attempts to retrofit linux to the old web appliances. There are several companies that make thin client boxes that run linux, but they dont have the marketing clout of MS. They are usually aimed at vertical markets. http://www.linuxdevices.com can be searched for these "thin client" or "Web Terminal" --- wayne wrote: > Your missing the point of that !!! > > I would hope that a retailer would bring out the > unit, just like DELL and > HP, and > other computer companies bring out products. The > difference would be that > the > unit would be able to setup on "any" ISP, just like > a normal computer does. > > I don't expect the ISP to give the email service for > free !!! > > It would be nice however to have some choice in > email package prices, and > which > ISP you choose. > > It is like the new HP unit that allows you to > "Receive" pictures....that is > great, but > I know my Senior Citizen relatives, and they ALSO > want to be able to SEND > pictures, > and be able to SEND and RECEIVE emails with their > friends and relatives, > easily without > the complex knowledge of how to work a full > computer. > > HP would have made more money if they came out with > a unit that allowed a > digital camera > to plug into the unit and upload and send pictures > back. Also a keyboard to > send emails with. > > A mail unit that is Open to any ISP that would do > EMails and pictures would > easily sell > out there to the General public. There just needs > to be some effort by a > retailer to bring > that item forward !!!! > > Wayne > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On > Behalf Of Sean Walton > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 1:21 PM > To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: FYI: Presto > > > > There is a precendent here that a company can > leverage. The problem is > essentially where would a company get the income to > be able to offer the > service AND remain profitable. It all comes down to > the market: if the > customer doesn't put in the dough, someone else > must. Yahoo places an > advertisement in the message that it transmits. > Every click on the ad pays > Yahoo $ (mind you, it's only a few cents, if that!). > In order to keep a > service alive, a company needs a baseline: > > Hardware > + air conditioning > + redundant hardware > + back up power > + data back up > Personel > + technicians > + programmers > + management > + (accountants) > + "human" resources > Facilities/Internal Services > + leases > + taxes > + utilities (water, power, phone, internet, > gas) > + janitorial > + security (Hire-a-badge) > + data banks/records > External Services > + tax consulting > + business insurance > + liability insurance > + [full timers] health insurance > > I think it's pretty clear that a regular business > pays a load of money for > a "simple" service. BTW, "basement" services are > usually frowned on by > ISPs. > -MetalGimp > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: wayne > To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 1:45:52 PM > Subject: RE: [mailstation] Re: FYI: Presto > > > > You have a point there !!! > > That would have to stay under the "Free" Linux > license. > > It could be an Open service for any ISP or email > service. > The main problem is WHO would make it, and sell > it, > and still get any income for it to make it > profitable to > do that ??? > > Wayne > -----Original Message----- > From: mailstation@ yahoogroups. com > [mailto:mailstation @yahoogroups. > com]On Behalf Of Neil Morrison > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 9:39 AM > To: mailstation@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: FYI: Presto > > > > Maybe what is needed is a Linux mail appliance! > > Neil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gary Clouse > > > They run a flash based version of > Windows CE and would allow a user to quickly > connect > to MSN. .... Microsoft used its monopoly > power to leverage > anti-competitive contracts that forced Compaq > to > discontinue the Clipper. > > . > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get your email and see which of your friends are online - Right on the New Yahoo.com (http://www.yahoo.com/preview) From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 24898 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 23:13:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Oct 2006 23:13:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nf-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.182.188) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2006 23:13:31 -0000 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c31so1519814nfb for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:13:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.127.3 with SMTP id z3mr316352huc; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:13:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from NewBaby ( [209.121.230.219]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 35sm1598512huc.2006.10.27.16.13.24; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:13:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <0edf01c6fa1d$814bec70$dbe679d1@NewBaby> To: References: <20061027222327.83391.qmail@...> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:06:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0ED4_01C6F9E1.CF408DF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: FYI: Presto X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=iffcnTVx96k4mCBnhDFoYy8om3lAz2MafU6mlopsIpQcFbLMEg X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 3605 Lines: 116 ------=_NextPart_000_0ED4_01C6F9E1.CF408DF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes. http://www.cybernetman.com/default.cfm?DocId=3D602 ZPC1000 ZPC Elit= e-I (Refurbished) ,Integrated 10/100 Ethernet,128MB PC100 SDRAM,10.0GB IDE = HDD, 3.5,ZPC, Elite-4 1.44MB Internal Floppy Drive,Cybernet Optical Wireles= s 2-button Scroll Mouse W/Pad,8MB Video RAM $155.00 Plus an LCD screen. = Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Clouse A linux web= appliance.... There have been many attempts to retrofit linux to the old= web appliances. There are several companies that make thin client boxe= s that run linux, but they dont have the marketing clout of MS. They are = usually aimed at vertical markets. http://www.linuxdevices.com can be sea= rched for these "thin client" or "Web Terminal" . ------=_NextPart_000_0ED4_01C6F9E1.CF408DF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
           
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          ZPC1000 ZPC Elite-I = (Refurbished) ,Integrated 10/100 Ethernet,128MB PC100 SDRAM,10.0GB IDE HDD= , 3.5,ZPC, Elite-4 1.44MB Internal Floppy Drive,Cybernet Optical Wireless = 2-button Scroll Mouse W/Pad,8MB Video RAM   $155.00
           
          Plus an LCD screen.
           
          Neil
          =  
          ----- Original Message --= ---

          A linux web appliance.... There have been many=
          attempts to retrofit linux to the old web appliances.
          There are s= everal companies that make thin client
          boxes that run linux, but they= dont have the marketing
          clout of MS. They are usually aimed at verti= cal
          markets. http://www.linux= devices.com can be searched
          for these "thin client" or "Web = Terminal"


          ------=_NextPart_000_0ED4_01C6F9E1.CF408DF0-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: bfayette@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44326 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2006 02:56:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2006 02:56:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.126) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2006 02:56:42 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2006 02:55:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2006 02:55:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2006 02:55:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 02:55:28 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "bradfayette" Subject: Mailstation memory map X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=74264799; y=FazezduNYN4wnvnpeKC65VhDikwHB-RjYNRBgpsN2WRIBE7PJoE X-Yahoo-Profile: bradfayette Status: RO Content-Length: 192 Lines: 13 Am I correct in assuming that I have 16K of ram available to use starting a= t 0x4000? I would like to expand on the scancode program and maybe try to g= et forth running. Regards, Brad From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 44236 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2006 04:18:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2006 04:18:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO nf-out-0910.google.com) (64.233.182.188) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2006 04:18:08 -0000 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p46so125802nfa for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:18:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.23.16 with SMTP id 16mr487581huw.1163476196008; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:49:56 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from NewBaby ( [209.121.230.219]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 39sm9166758hug.2006.11.13.19.49.54; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:49:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <0eba01c7079f$f1fe7c50$dbe679d1@NewBaby> To: References: Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:48:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0EB5_01C7075C.BF2E3290" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Mailstation memory map X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=sVmgXxrNk8WSmLbwBsyWjZF3Af0-aVcpQ0IBrGY7c9ZNtxIlAA X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 2375 Lines: 85 ------=_NextPart_000_0EB5_01C7075C.BF2E3290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It appears there is at least one page of memory available. Neil ----- = Original Message ----- From: bradfayette Am I correct in assuming t= hat I have 16K of ram available to use starting at 0x4000? I would like t= o expand on the scancode program and maybe try to get forth running. R= egards, Brad . ------=_NextPart_000_0EB5_01C7075C.BF2E3290 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
           
          It appears there is at least= one page of memory available.
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          Neil
          =  
          ----- Original Message -----
          From:<= /B> bra= dfayette

          Am I c= orrect in assuming that I have 16K of ram available to use
          starting a= t 0x4000? I would like to expand on the scancode program and
          maybe tr= y to get forth running.

          Regards,

          Brad

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          ------=_NextPart_000_0EB5_01C7075C.BF2E3290-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62197 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2006 08:59:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2006 08:59:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.22) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2006 08:59:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n29.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2006 08:59:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Nov 2006 08:59:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:59:53 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Mailstation memory map X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=sIqRf6QgxkZmavvBd9Vd94kxLFQj7nDwjmAIQAKWrgmasjRWDE-7eHHQbA X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 927 Lines: 44 --- "bradfayette" wrote: > > Am I correct in assuming that I= have 16K of ram available to use > starting at 0x4000? I would like to exp= and on the scancode program and > maybe try to get forth running. Yes. Wh= en mbug starts, it banks page #01 of RAM into slot4000, so unless you chang= e it, it should still be there. Mbug does not use this for anything itse= lf, it just puts it there as a convenience. The mailstation divides the = 64 kByte z80 address space into four 16 KByte regions, which I have been c= alling slot0000, slot4000, slot8000, and slotC000. The pages of ram, code= flash, and dataflash are also 16 KBytes. The mailstation has 128 KBytes of= ram, ram pg #00 thru ram pg #07. Slot0000 is always codeflash pg #00, and= slotC000 is always ram pg #00 Mailbug command "6" will display the curren= t inhabitants of slot4000 and slot8000, the two "bankable slots". -- CJ = From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: donhamilton2002@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 4884 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2007 22:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2007 22:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.244) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2007 22:22:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n19.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2007 22:22:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2007 22:22:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 22:22:20 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "donhamilton2002" Subject: Changed membership requirements X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175336879; y=hiSTVtA0fi6TyvFUNQ9raRV2kWgO-TUWVIbFtI6nfts273HMaltWYS33 X-Yahoo-Profile: donhamilton2002 Status: RO Content-Length: 244 Lines: 15 I have changed the membership for this group. It may not help the amount o= f SPAM, but it may be of use. The amount of messages passing thru this gro= up has all but stopped. I'll try this for a while and see if it helps. do= nhamilton From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ethan.dicks@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17452 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2007 23:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2007 23:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.241) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2007 23:25:18 -0000 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b36so1665551ana for ; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 16:25:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jLvOxLj/ucWul3aq4Ejh/7rEg1x0ohUsNT0Q2zpTmmbX1UpETSm7JuU5prxa3VD4Zzt8sKn0+WGKI+nNEs4TPTSpaX8kfQ/9ybmC5co/vykSdkrQZvLldtb4Wlka5Y1nDhgx9EAh9o7d24cyA4TDbCBiKDuoRDQ5TwxpugypvJ8= Received: by 10.100.127.1 with SMTP id z1mr3057667anc.1175988316370; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 16:25:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.154.5 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 16:25:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 18:25:16 -0500 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Ethan Dicks" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Changed membership requirements X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=244603944; y=RuzZfFspZxmjc1oteMpxhDZGgBos3JflCNDLfElLpnsNP0U X-Yahoo-Profile: erd_6502 Status: RO Content-Length: 385 Lines: 11 On 4/7/07, donhamilton2002 wrote: > I have changed the membership for this group. > It may not help the amount of SPAM, but it may be of use. Thank you. > The amount of messages passing thru this group has all but stopped. Well... I joined because I saw a Mailstation at the Thrift Store, but didn't buy it. I wanted to learn more before trying to hack one. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: tony@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36003 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2007 14:04:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2007 14:04:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO relay03.pair.com) (209.68.5.17) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2007 14:04:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 63463 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2007 14:04:35 -0000 Received: from 74.132.155.159 (HELO ?192.168.0.200?) (74.132.155.159) by relay03.pair.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2007 14:04:35 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 74.132.155.159 Organization: The Centre To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 10:05:44 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <1176039709.470.24370.m20@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1176039709.470.24370.m20@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-6" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200704081005.44307.tony@...> X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Tony Subject: Re: Changed membership requirements X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=82663129; y=5m_i-2uTVRucBuX5oaM5poQPz_YrBUXGjzXxqLOLJOY_aQ X-Yahoo-Profile: nurb432 Status: RO Content-Length: 736 Lines: 24 I second that thanks. While I'm mostly a lurker around here and yet to have picked up a mailstation, i do appreciate the change in the rules. ( i do have a WP-2 if that counts :) ) > 1b. Re: Changed membership requirements > Posted by: "Ethan Dicks" ethan.dicks@... erd_6502 > Date: Sat Apr 7, 2007 4:25 pm ((PDT)) > > On 4/7/07, donhamilton2002 wrote: > > I have changed the membership for this group. > > It may not help the amount of SPAM, but it may be of use. > > Thank you. > > > The amount of messages passing thru this group has all but stopped. > > Well... I joined because I saw a Mailstation at the Thrift Store, but > didn't buy it. I wanted to learn more before trying to hack one. > > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: wand@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82314 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2007 14:09:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2007 14:09:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.102) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2007 14:09:48 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n9.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2007 14:07:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2007 14:07:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2007 14:07:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 14:07:39 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Walt" Subject: Re: Changed membership requirements X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=275469258; y=_fciSVCsNKeOeFy9xAGEtRpL30C17LQIzSlBR5OvH92Alw X-Yahoo-Profile: wea1946 Status: RO Content-Length: 12 Lines: 4 Thanks!! From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: donhamilton2002@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59540 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2007 20:29:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2007 20:29:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.214) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2007 20:29:37 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2007 20:25:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2007 20:25:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 20:25:25 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "donhamilton2002" Subject: Re: Changed membership requirements X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175336879; y=RJAFQhcQp6Qzzn3CmEzl3_LcDdoXP4QGiuMWEy_GusA4UroQ6OLsxAif X-Yahoo-Profile: donhamilton2002 Status: RO Content-Length: 357 Lines: 22 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Walt" wrote: > > > Thanks!= ! > Two of the people that caused my change in membership policy, has aske= d to come back in ??!! If they want to come in, that will need a new email= address. So that may not stop them for comming back in, but it will give = me a chance to stop them at the door. donald From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: mphamilton@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76659 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2007 22:13:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2007 22:13:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.236) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2007 22:13:40 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n24.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2007 22:13:20 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2007 22:13:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2007 22:13:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 22:13:18 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "kc8lcy" Subject: membership changes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=170997440; y=RLEWaz9Rni4Jl4uf5thOYEcqD9mMuzfbpE-KAdigKLf_ X-Yahoo-Profile: kc8lcy Status: RO Content-Length: 198 Lines: 7 Might I ask what chanages were made? I didn't notice anything, although I'm= a relative newcomeer here. Interesting group, though, and not as much spam= as I've seen elsewhere on yahoo!....Mike From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: gaylejanzen@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50258 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2007 01:56:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2007 01:56:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.163) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2007 01:56:36 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n6.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2007 01:55:31 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2007 01:55:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2007 01:55:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 01:55:29 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "gaylejanzen" Subject: TTY possible on these??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=221440080; y=vUEac2T1a56j2hGopDxC3Nbft1K90Ma8nepJyvyhd0R4etB2Vek X-Yahoo-Profile: gaylejanzen Status: RO Content-Length: 402 Lines: 12 My 80 year old mom is going deaf and we looked at some TTY machines and the= ir screens are smaller than the MailStations. I was JUST wondering...could= you put a TTY program into these and use them that way? AND, those TTY ma= chines, man, are they expensive!!! I'm a none tech person so if the answer= is more than maybe or ABSOLUTELY impossible, you don't have to say much m= ore than that. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42894 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2007 05:46:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2007 05:46:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.112) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2007 05:46:32 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2007 05:46:26 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2007 05:46:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2007 05:46:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 05:46:26 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: TTY possible on these??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=PvK46ILsodhD0IpdSeSKi9LUOCRcANqBtAe9W3TO_4dW8IDoEQ X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 702 Lines: 32 At the moment it's unlikely this is doable. Why not use it for email and fa= x instead? Or look on eBay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&= item=3D280108654043 is going for $6 right now. Neil --- In mailstation@ya= hoogroups.com, "gaylejanzen" wrote: > > My 80 year old mo= m is going deaf and we looked at some TTY machines and their screens > are= smaller than the MailStations. I was JUST wondering...could you put a TTY = program into > these and use them that way? AND, those TTY machines, man, = are they expensive!!! I'm a > none tech person so if the answer is more th= an maybe or ABSOLUTELY impossible, you don't > have to say much more than = that. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: donhamilton2002@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78676 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2007 21:03:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2007 21:03:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.124) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2007 21:03:53 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2007 21:02:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2007 21:02:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Apr 2007 21:02:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 21:02:35 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "donhamilton2002" Subject: Re: membership changes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175336879; y=PuTPgb7Av1zz0JsDpXGXw9pESFuqRWkm5l5WXIefg4Aa1hBmfLZ5cPXT X-Yahoo-Profile: donhamilton2002 Status: RO Content-Length: 765 Lines: 39 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "kc8lcy" wrote: > > Mi= ght I ask what chanages were made? I didn't notice anything, > although I'm= a relative newcomeer here. Interesting group, though, and > not as much sp= am as I've seen elsewhere on yahoo!....Mike > As the moderator, I have the= right to refuse anyone membership if I don't want too. I have looked at s= everal requests and found some weird email address that I would guess are s= pammers looking for a way in. I see an email address like : skye-ollmann8= 60@... I bet this is a spammer. I tried several of these type= s of domain names and they don't work. So out it goes. If I ban someone t= hat is not a spammer, please email me direct and I'll see what I can do. d= on From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 11422 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2007 21:28:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2007 21:28:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (208.186.161.99) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2007 21:28:36 -0000 Received: from computer1 (computer1.handypage5.net [192.168.101.21]) by www.handypage.net (8.13.6/8.13.6/netmax) with SMTP id l3RL8Avs023776 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:08:10 -0700 To: Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:10:03 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c78910$6d17d930$1565a8c0@computer1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C788D5.C0B90130" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/3172/Fri Apr 27 07:49:40 2007 on www.handypage.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "wayne" Reply-To: Subject: RE: [mailstation] Re: membership changes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=GqQXxz0fFNtUEq5eTbF7AvFo2C2ChZy-F4FDN_-WTHrTw69dkJ6GCg X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 4019 Lines: 132 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C788D5.C0B90130 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Don, we have been getting some weird spammer stuff from the "Mailstation" group lately. Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of donhamilton2002 Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 2:03 PM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: [mailstation] Re: membership changes --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "kc8lcy" wrote: > > Might I ask what chanages were made? I didn't notice anything, > although I'm a relative newcomeer here. Interesting group, though, and > not as much spam as I've seen elsewhere on yahoo!....Mike > As the moderator, I have the right to refuse anyone membership if I don't want too. I have looked at several requests and found some weird email address that I would guess are spammers looking for a way in. I see an email address like : skye-ollmann860@... I bet this is a spammer. I tried several of these types of domain names and they don't work. So out it goes. If I ban someone that is not a spammer, please email me direct and I'll see what I can do. don ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C788D5.C0B90130 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= /HEAD>
          Thanks Don,
          we have been getting some weird spammer stuff from t= he "Mailstation" group lately.
          &= nbsp;
          Wayne
           =
          -----Original Message-----
          From:<= /B> mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]O= n Behalf Of donhamilton2002
          Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 2= :03 PM
          To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [mai= lstation] Re: membership changes

          --- In mailst= ation@yahoogroups.com, "kc8lcy" ...>= ; wrote:
          >
          > Might I ask what chanages were made? I didn't n= otice anything,
          > although I'm a relative newcomeer here. Interest= ing group, though, and
          > not as much spam as I've seen elsewhere o= n yahoo!....Mike
          >

          As the moderator, I have the right to re= fuse anyone membership if I
          don't want too.

          I have looked at s= everal requests and found some weird email address
          that I would guess= are spammers looking for a way in.

          I see an email address like : = skye-ollmann860@doesithurt.info

          I bet this is a spammer.

          I tri= ed several of these types of domain names and they don't work.

          So= out it goes.

          If I ban someone that is not a spammer, please emai= l me direct and
          I'll see what I can do.

          don

          <= !--End group email -->
          ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C788D5.C0B90130-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: donhamilton2002@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94213 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2007 20:57:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2007 20:57:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11e.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.71) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2007 20:57:25 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2007 20:57:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Apr 2007 20:57:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:57:21 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "donhamilton2002" Subject: Re-engineering the mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175336879; y=ilqL9LpMbvjEl29BQ4x4ePwuoWA6s7pdYazn3AP_WlJ0Stk48kknK_Th X-Yahoo-Profile: donhamilton2002 Status: RO Content-Length: 1506 Lines: 81 Hello all, Warning: rambling ahead. I have been clearing out stuff in my = shop and have found the two mailstations I hacked a few years ago. My firs= t thought was to give this units away to someone. My second thought was to= re-engineer these units in someway. Plastic cases are a problem for one o= ff projects. The mailstation is old technology and I would like to bring i= t up to a more recent processor. The LCD display and keyboard are as good = as any. The builtin battery pack is very usefull. The modem is a waste. I= am sure people in this group will look for a hotspot before using a modem.= So, my thought is desiging a card that would replace the main board in th= e mailstation. [ Idea 1 ] A full 32-bit cpu with a couple of megs of memo= ry (flash/ram), an ethernet interface would be nice, but we would be talkin= g about a $100/$200+ retrofit. Someone to layout the board, get them manu= factured, put parts on them. [ Idea 2 ] A 32 bit single chip cpu with eno= ugh memory would make a reasonable development platform. Maybe one of the = larger single chip cpus for NXP. Has anyhone measured out the main board i= n the MS ? The back panel has only a few openings but it may be enough. A= dd a compact flash for an 802.11 interface, an SPI interface for SD cards. = [ Idea 3 ] Finding a low cost cpu board that we can build a carrier to pl= ug it into the MS plastic. Ok, what do you think. Some summer project to = keep us from mowing the lawn :-). don From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86904 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2007 00:10:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2007 00:10:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.241) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2007 00:10:11 -0000 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c24so1001667ana for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:10:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=b6SXfoEHQu0dOh1NR0+W9qSd0dWlSEM/cFhOoyN8b/GPjzRILeIEi0lugE+ZN+aLojg7RwZGPCpX+T0EVe7o1MxRrV3UW8JXE9EJL3iUWOQqAHvG8okYDAfVR68uetZCgou+WlQAXDLbAOXEBelTJwBOSWZnRZGcV/HQq59SCYQ= Received: by 10.100.138.2 with SMTP id l2mr661282and.1177805410095; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:10:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.136.19 with HTTP; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:10:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:10:10 -0700 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: "John R. Hogerhuis" From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re-engineering the mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=-rd3ZWdnaPka3N2N4IzT83kwmXBaW-pZ-7Fnvit1BE9nnMhuqA X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 479 Lines: 18 The mailstation case and keyboard are not worth saving. One thought is to start with a TRS-80 Model 100 or Tandy 102 case. Much more room to work. Has a built-in 4 AA battery holder. I think a MS display would fit in there. The keyboard is much better than the MS's If the CPU is fast enough, you could run VirtualT and have a supercharged Model 100 :-) I will donate a case and KB if you design a PCB. As far as CPU I would go for low power, long battery life. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: eddy@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16567 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2007 03:01:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2007 03:01:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO alnrmhc16.comcast.net) (206.18.177.56) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2007 03:01:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c-67-162-18-179.hsd1.il.comcast.net[67.162.18.179]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc16) with ESMTP id <20070429022944b1600hleoje>; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 02:29:45 +0000 Message-ID: <46340312.1040105@...> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 21:29:38 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Eddy Wright Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re-engineering the mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113220603; y=5vNhy9038yDfhG8NsxRUhHLW7a0q2GHxHJBTPYoaTSrCWoqs3w X-Yahoo-Profile: eddywright Status: RO Content-Length: 1094 Lines: 42 I have a couple of MS's that I thought of doing something similar. I wasn't able to find out how to drive the LCD with another processor. I decoded the keyboard and was able to make a functional serial terminal by using a different display. But my alternate display didn't fit the case at all. I used a Mega32 AVR microcontroller to drive the LCD and read the keyboard. It had more than enough power to act as a serial terminal... Anyone have success trying to drive the LCD? Eddy http://www.wrighthobbies.net John R. Hogerhuis wrote: > The mailstation case and keyboard are not worth saving. > > One thought is to start with a TRS-80 Model 100 or Tandy 102 case. > Much more room to work. Has a built-in 4 AA battery holder. > > I think a MS display would fit in there. > > The keyboard is much better than the MS's > > If the CPU is fast enough, you could run VirtualT and have a > supercharged Model 100 :-) > > I will donate a case and KB if you design a PCB. > > As far as CPU I would go for low power, long battery life. > > -- John. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41277 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2007 05:52:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2007 05:52:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.215) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2007 05:52:12 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2007 05:52:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2007 05:52:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2007 05:52:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 05:52:11 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: Re-engineering the mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=K0oicqDWFdPBSwFLGsZ39W5Fl6yXgOtX2oW4nyPaxwmw1FWpsA X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 2000 Lines: 101 IMO these are desirable as is. All we need are solid methods to rewrite the= ROM to provide the functions we want. The internal fax modem is fine as is= . If you want a WiFi computer, a laptop is now so cheap it isn't worth the= work needed to re engineer these. My 2 cents. Neil --- In mailstation@y= ahoogroups.com, "donhamilton2002" wrote: > > Hello al= l, > > Warning: rambling ahead. > > I have been clearing out stuff in my = shop and have found the two > mailstations I hacked a few years ago. > > M= y first thought was to give this units away to someone. > > My second thou= ght was to re-engineer these units in someway. > > Plastic cases are a pro= blem for one off projects. > > The mailstation is old technology and I wou= ld like to bring it up to a > more recent processor. > > The LCD display a= nd keyboard are as good as any. > > The builtin battery pack is very usefu= ll. > > The modem is a waste. I am sure people in this group will look for= a > hotspot before using a modem. > > So, my thought is desiging a card t= hat would replace the main board in > the mailstation. > > [ Idea 1 ] > >= A full 32-bit cpu with a couple of megs of memory (flash/ram), an > ethern= et interface would be nice, but we would be talking about a > $100/$200+ re= trofit. > > Someone to layout the board, get them manufactured, put parts= on them. > > [ Idea 2 ] > > A 32 bit single chip cpu with enough memory = would make a reasonable > development platform. > > Maybe one of the large= r single chip cpus for NXP. > > Has anyhone measured out the main board in= the MS ? > > The back panel has only a few openings but it may be enough.= > > Add a compact flash for an 802.11 interface, an SPI interface for SD = > cards. > > [ Idea 3 ] > > Finding a low cost cpu board that we can buil= d a carrier to plug it > into the MS plastic. > > Ok, what do you think. >= > Some summer project to keep us from mowing the lawn :-). > > don > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22143 invoked from network); 1 May 2007 00:45:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2007 00:45:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (208.186.161.99) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2007 00:45:09 -0000 Received: from computer1 (computer1.handypage5.net [192.168.101.21]) by www.handypage.net (8.13.6/8.13.6/netmax) with SMTP id l410jSbt012333 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:45:28 -0700 To: Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:47:11 -0700 Message-ID: <000d01c78b8a$4175dee0$1565a8c0@computer1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C78B4F.951706E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/3184/Mon Apr 30 06:51:57 2007 on www.handypage.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "wayne" Reply-To: Subject: RE: [mailstation] Re: Re-engineering the mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=f3A1zmv9D0P-34TnnciuZfovG56m2_S0fBlMcGMPIDXU4MAibBoAlg X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 13549 Lines: 399 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C78B4F.951706E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My 2 cents: You have to find something that is worthwhile to be sold to the general public or else it is NOT going to be built in a Mass big enough to get the price down to reasonable !! The Mailstation concept is still doable !!! A lot of people out there do not have a computer, do not understand how a computer runs, and do not want to put up with the hassles of owning and maintaining one. This especially goes for the Senior Citizens in this country. BUT THEY STILL NEED TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE WORLD !!! I have set up several Mailstations for some of my Senior relatives, and although they were leery to use it, they now don't know how they would survive without it. The world has gone from written letters to electronic ones, and the electronic ones are there is minutes. The Mailstation just needs to be updated, and allowed to be used on ANY email server unit. This would allow the user to then search and find the best service for them and connect the unit to it. The new unit should be patterned after the Model 350, which allows the downloading of pictures and larger emails. Since memory has come a long way since the Mailstation's inception, it is now efficient to include larger memory in the unit. Some of the faster, laptop CPU's would work with their lower power consumption. Even a older Pentium chip would still be faster than what the original Mailstation had in it. Biggest problem would be watching to not step on any patents that still might be used in the device. The option of a plug-in WIFI card is a good one, let the option slot take either a Modem, WIFI, or Ethernet plug in card. That way whichever service is going to be used can be accommodated easily and without having to load all that extra circuitry into the unit and not use it. That would also keep the cost down for the unit. Just my thoughts, Wayne Iwireless tempe, az. -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil Morrison Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 10:52 PM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: [mailstation] Re: Re-engineering the mailstation IMO these are desirable as is. All we need are solid methods to rewrite the ROM to provide the functions we want. The internal fax modem is fine as is. If you want a WiFi computer, a laptop is now so cheap it isn't worth the work needed to re engineer these. My 2 cents. Neil --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "donhamilton2002" wrote: > > Hello all, > > Warning: rambling ahead. > > I have been clearing out stuff in my shop and have found the two > mailstations I hacked a few years ago. > > My first thought was to give this units away to someone. > > My second thought was to re-engineer these units in someway. > > Plastic cases are a problem for one off projects. > > The mailstation is old technology and I would like to bring it up to a > more recent processor. > > The LCD display and keyboard are as good as any. > > The builtin battery pack is very usefull. > > The modem is a waste. I am sure people in this group will look for a > hotspot before using a modem. > > So, my thought is desiging a card that would replace the main board in > the mailstation. > > [ Idea 1 ] > > A full 32-bit cpu with a couple of megs of memory (flash/ram), an > ethernet interface would be nice, but we would be talking about a > $100/$200+ retrofit. > > Someone to layout the board, get them manufactured, put parts on them. > > [ Idea 2 ] > > A 32 bit single chip cpu with enough memory would make a reasonable > development platform. > > Maybe one of the larger single chip cpus for NXP. > > Has anyhone measured out the main board in the MS ? > > The back panel has only a few openings but it may be enough. > > Add a compact flash for an 802.11 interface, an SPI interface for SD > cards. > > [ Idea 3 ] > > Finding a low cost cpu board that we can build a carrier to plug it > into the MS plastic. > > Ok, what do you think. > > Some summer project to keep us from mowing the lawn :-). > > don > ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C78B4F.951706E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= /HEAD>
          My 2 cents:
          You have to find something that is worthwhile to be = sold to the general public or else it is NOT going to
          =
          be built in a Mass big enough to get the price down to reasonable = !!
           
          The Mai= lstation concept is still doable !!!  A lot of people out there do not= have a computer, do not understand
          how a comp= uter runs, and do not want to put up with the hassles of owning and mainta= ining one. This especially
          goes for the Senior = Citizens in this country. 
          BUT THEY STILL= NEED TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE WORLD !!! 
          large= r memory in the unit.
           
          Some of the faster, laptop CPU's would work with their lower pow= er consumption.  Even a older Pentium chip
          <= FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>would still be faster than what the original Mailstation had in it.
           
          Biggest problem = would be watching to not step on any patents that still might be used in t= he device.
           
          Th= e option of a plug-in WIFI card is a good one, let the option slot take ei= ther a Modem, WIFI, or Ethernet
          plug in card. = That way whichever service is going to be used can be accommodated easily = and without having to
          load all that extra circu= itry into the unit and not use it. That would also keep the cost down for = the unit.
           
          Ju= st my thoughts,
          Wayne
          Iwireless
          tempe, az.
          -----Original Message-----
          From: mails= tation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf = Of Neil Morrison
          Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 10:52 PMTo: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [mailstation= ] Re: Re-engineering the mailstation

          IMO these are desirable as is. All we need are solid methods = to
          rewrite the ROM to provide the functions we want. The internal fax=
          modem is fine as is.

          If you want a WiFi computer, a laptop is= now so cheap it isn't worth
          the work needed to re engineer these.
          My 2 cents.

          Neil

          --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "donha= milton2002"
          ...> wrote:
          >
          > H= ello all,
          >
          > Warning: rambling ahead.
          >
          > I have= been clearing out stuff in my shop and have found the two
          > mails= tations I hacked a few years ago.
          >
          > My first thought was = to give this units away to someone.
          >
          > My second thought w= as to re-engineer these units in someway.
          >
          > Plastic cases= are a problem for one off projects.
          >
          > The mailstation is= old technology and I would like to bring it up to a
          > more recent= processor.
          >
          > The LCD display and keyboard are as good as= any.
          >
          > The builtin battery pack is very usefull.
          >=
          > The modem is a waste. I am sure people in this group will look= for a
          > hotspot before using a modem.
          >
          > So, my tho= ught is desiging a card that would replace the main board in
          > the= mailstation.
          >
          > [ Idea 1 ]
          >
          > A full 32-bit= cpu with a couple of megs of memory (flash/ram), an
          > ethernet in= terface would be nice, but we would be talking about a
          > $100/$200= + retrofit.
          >
          > Someone to layout the board, get them manu= factured, put parts on them.
          >
          > [ Idea 2 ]
          >
          >= ; A 32 bit single chip cpu with enough memory would make a reasonable> development platform.
          >
          > Maybe one of the larger sin= gle chip cpus for NXP.
          >
          > Has anyhone measured out the mai= n board in the MS ?
          >
          > The back panel has only a few openings= but it may be enough.
          >
          > Add a compact flash for an 802.1= 1 interface, an SPI interface for SD
          > cards.
          >
          > [ I= dea 3 ]
          >
          > Finding a low cost cpu board that we can build = a carrier to plug it
          > into the MS plastic.
          >
          > Ok, w= hat do you think.
          >
          > Some summer project to keep us from m= owing the lawn :-).
          >
          > don
          >

          ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C78B4F.951706E0-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23511 invoked from network); 1 May 2007 05:41:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2007 05:41:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n32c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.213) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2007 05:41:43 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n32.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2007 05:41:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2007 05:41:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2007 05:41:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 05:41:24 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000d01c78b8a$4175dee0$1565a8c0@computer1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: Re-engineering the mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=xR8QS81v9wqpwOPH_qAbTXGgpG1lNc7O9VvYOGH8tVdEgTTBUg X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 283 Lines: 15 IIRC one or more of these already has a wireless modem (not WiFi though). = Neil --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "wayne" wrote: > Th= e option of a plug-in WIFI card is a good one, let the option slot take > e= ither a Modem, WIFI, or Ethernet > plug in card. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39687 invoked from network); 1 May 2007 17:33:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2007 17:33:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (208.186.161.99) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2007 17:33:36 -0000 Received: from computer1 (computer1.handypage5.net [192.168.101.21]) by www.handypage.net (8.13.6/8.13.6/netmax) with SMTP id l41HXxKq002220 for ; Tue, 1 May 2007 10:34:00 -0700 To: Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 10:35:39 -0700 Message-ID: <001701c78c17$22d8f9d0$1565a8c0@computer1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C78BDC.767A21D0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/3189/Tue May 1 09:02:13 2007 on www.handypage.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "wayne" Reply-To: Subject: RE: [mailstation] Re: Re-engineering the mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=lgY3vv1gjkvrk_oatCyzcg_KqGEyN-LU_58rZeatgoaz7EqV7lOgwA X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 8445 Lines: 251 ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C78BDC.767A21D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Your thinking of the Model 350. This has a 900 Mhz. wireless connection to it's plug-in modem unit, so the Model 350 can be used remotely in the room and not have to be used where the telephone line plugs in. It is not compatible with the 2 Gig WIFI stuff. And changing the wireless unit out in the Model 350 would mean that you would have to get the unit type accepted again by the FCC. Easiest way is to use an "Option slot" for these. That way it would take anyone's unit, (Which is already FCC type accepted), and you would not have to mess around with it. It would also keep the cost down by not requiring each unit to have all three hookup cards, (WIFI, Ethernet, Modem) inside the main unit. I don't see any situation where you would be using more than one connection type at one time ?? You could go with the Linux software, since it is considered "Freeware", and you would not have to pay Microsoft any royalties for anything. But it would require more time compiling an Operating system for this specific use. Actually, Linux uses less space to run than Windows does, and works with more stuff. The Boot up Kernel can be "Edited" so as to just allow it to install and access only the drivers and devices that you needed it too. Unlike Windows, which loads everything under the sun on your system. A lot of which is not needed for your specific applications. Linux will run well with even a 386 cpu and small memory. The Sendmail program is a tried and true mail program for Linux. There are lots of other programs for specific uses available for "Free" for Linux at the CPAN web site. Wayne Iwireless -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil Morrison Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:41 PM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: [mailstation] Re: Re-engineering the mailstation IIRC one or more of these already has a wireless modem (not WiFi though). Neil --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "wayne" wrote: > The option of a plug-in WIFI card is a good one, let the option slot take > either a Modem, WIFI, or Ethernet > plug in card. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C78BDC.767A21D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= /HEAD>
          Your thinking of = the Model 350. This has a 900 Mhz. wireless connection to it's=
          plug-in modem unit, so the Model 350 can be used remo= tely in the room and not
          have to be used where= the telephone line plugs in.  It is not compatible with<= /SPAN>
          the 2 Gig WIFI stuff.  And changing the wire= less unit out in the Model 350 would
          mean tha= t you would have to get the unit type accepted again by the FCC.
           
          <= SPAN class=3D682481717-01052007>Easiest way is to use an "Option slot" for these. That way it would = take anyone's
          unit, (Which is already FCC= type accepted), and you would not have to mess around
          =
          with it.  It would also keep the cost down by not requiring e= ach unit to have all three
          hookup cards, (WIFI= , Ethernet, Modem) inside the main unit.  I don't see any situation
          where you would be using more than one connection type at on= e time ??
           
          You= could go with the Linux software, since it is considered "Freeware", and = you would
          not have to pay Microsoft any royalt= ies for anything.  But it would require more time
          =
          compiling an Operating system for this specific use.  Actuall= y, Linux uses less space
          to run than Windows d= oes, and works with more stuff.  The Boot up Kernel can be "Edited"
          so as to just allow it to install and access onl= y the drivers and devices that you needed it too.
          Unlike Windows, which loads everything under the sun on your system. = A lot of which is
          not needed for your specific= applications.  Linux will run well with even a 386 cpu and small mem= ory.
           
          The S= endmail program is a tried and true mail program for Linux. There are lots = of other
          programs for specific uses available = for "Free" for Linux at the CPAN web site.
           
          Wayne
          Iwireles= s
           
          <= /SPAN> 
          -----Original Message-----<= BR>From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogro= ups.com]On Behalf Of Neil Morrison
          Sent: Monday, April = 30, 2007 10:41 PM
          To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
          Subjec= t: [mailstation] Re: Re-engineering the mailstation

          IIRC one or more of these already has a wi= reless modem (not WiFi though).

          Neil

          --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com= , "wayne" wrote:

          > The option of a plug= -in WIFI card is a good one, let the option slot
          take
          > either = a Modem, WIFI, or Ethernet
          > plug in card.

          ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C78BDC.767A21D0-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: David_zmk@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39956 invoked from network); 2 May 2007 02:23:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2007 02:23:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.105) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2007 02:23:52 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n10.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2007 02:23:17 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2007 02:23:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2007 02:23:17 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 02:23:17 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050926162308.95522.qmail@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "david_zmk" Subject: Re: directly connecting two modems X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=223202106; y=XyEVi23-d-kH3AKYsvgrZxBr8roS4WNefHoRsJiEsnRhM-35 X-Yahoo-Profile: david_zmk Status: RO Content-Length: 3537 Lines: 148 You can use te regular phone line to power both modems leaving a phone unha= nged and waiting for the dialtone to shut off, the Telco will leave the lin= e powered but silenced, without any soun activity. I used this method to pr= int from my PC directly to a regular fax machine using MSFax bundled in Win= 2000. --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, Gary Clouse = wrote: > > Some modems are line-powered. They use the phone line > to power= the part of the modem circuitry. Connecting a > cross-over phone cable bet= ween a line-powered modem > and another modem, it won't work because the > = line-powered modem won't have enough voltage to > operate. Line-powered mod= ems are common in portable > devices and can be spotted by a REN (Ringer > = Equivalency Number) of more than 0. Most phone > companies allow 2 REN. The= phone lines use between 24 > and 48 volts. > > > A winmodem on the other= hand is an imcomplete modem > with most of the higher-level functions (lik= e > compression and dialing ) handed off to a software > driver. Winmodems= are cheaper to manufacture, and can > be upgraded by changing a driver. An= d the drivers are > buound by trade secret agreements with Microsoft which = > give Microsoft dominion over who is allowed to use the > modem. > if you = have 2 phone lines at home, you can run a bbs > program on you PC, call the= pc from the ms on the > other line and should be able to quickly work out = the > signon dialogue, and simulate it on the PC. Ther is a > simple free B= BS program called AddBBS that is written > in perl. Also perl is available = free of charge for > almost every OS in existance. > > --- "John R. Hoger= huis" wrote: > > > On Thu, 2005-09-15 at 13:45 +0000, Franco = Iacomella > > wrote: > > > > > The other solution is that you mention. But= I > > think that I may need a > > > winmodem to connect the device to the = computer, > > and everyone knows the > > > problems of GNU/Linux to support= winmodems...If I > > could sort this > > > problem i need to know what pro= gram I need to run > > on the computer so > > > the mailstation belives its= connected to a real > > ISP. It would be nice > > > that someone write som= ething about this > > "emulation" or give me some > > > data to make it on = my own. :D > > > > > > I hope someone help me, thanx! > > > > > > YACO > = > > > > > > Why would you need a winmodem? Actually, there are > > driver= s for some > > winmodems for Linux machines. Some of these modems > > are i= nteresting in > > that they can act as an FXO allowing you to connect > > a= Linux box running > > Asterisk to a regular phone line. > > > > This arti= cle gives some hope that you can just > > connect two modems > > together w= ith a regular phone cable. > > > > > http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linu= x/kernel/0412.2/0560.html > > > > ATA on the host and let MS dial in. > >= > > Unfortunately I just tried this with a MS150 and a > > rockwell exter= nal > > modem, no workey. > > > > Typed ATA in terminal on rockwell side, = and hit Get > > Email on MS. I had > > to configure the mailstation to "ign= ore dial tone" > > but that just kept it > > from timing it out. No connect= ion is established. > > > > Could it be configuration on modem side? Anyon= e have > > any ideas? > > > > -- John. > > > > > > > _________________= _________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo!= Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: csbluechip@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46264 invoked from network); 25 May 2007 00:33:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2007 00:33:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2007 00:33:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2007 00:36:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2007 00:32:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 00:32:03 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "cs_bluechip" Subject: hello? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=240592936; y=iWNegWmEr0q2jkwcLxEQksitduDribDrys53egGxXFuatJoA3wM X-Yahoo-Profile: cs_bluechip Status: RO Content-Length: 35 Lines: 5 Has this project moved home? BC From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: donhamilton2002@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54967 invoked from network); 28 May 2007 05:00:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2007 05:00:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.214) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2007 05:00:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2007 05:00:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2007 05:00:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 05:00:52 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "donhamilton2002" Subject: Re: hello? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175336879; y=Mema_zg2tr0VK-V7WgxfdDouxvdZV_wndllIpeAV9suPPiq2NxaGBKfD X-Yahoo-Profile: donhamilton2002 Status: RO Content-Length: 162 Lines: 15 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "cs_bluechip" wrote: >= > Has this project moved home? > > BC > What does "moved home" mean ??? = don From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90752 invoked from network); 28 May 2007 16:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2007 16:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (208.186.161.99) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2007 16:27:20 -0000 Received: from computer1 (computer1.handypage5.net [192.168.101.21]) by www.handypage.net (8.13.6/8.13.6/netmax) with SMTP id l4SGPomm030146 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 09:25:50 -0700 To: Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 09:26:56 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c7a145$030f2cd0$1565a8c0@computer1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C7A10A.56B1DB70" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/3311/Sun May 27 17:21:25 2007 on www.handypage.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "wayne" Reply-To: Subject: Manual for Mailstation ??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=LygHD8nY5VXVG5__9KeDIUjGKGyNfipBKr2ZMuoILrNWrmAHYlLr0A X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 4446 Lines: 144 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C7A10A.56B1DB70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anybody know where I might be able to get a manual for a Mailstation 100/150 unit. I am putting one on line for a "Senior", and I need to get them some sort of Operator's manual. Thanks, Wayne _._,_.___ Messages in this topic (0) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity a.. 2New Members Visit Your Group SPONSORED LINKS a.. Software development tool b.. Software development c.. 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X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76971 invoked from network); 28 May 2007 22:34:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2007 22:34:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.172) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2007 22:34:31 -0000 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 80so1978173ugb for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 15:34:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:x-mailer:date:to:from:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type; b=QaMaanxqElwiSQ0pc7sLz/rvnH2/nrC5eEUQzJnFgNBc9+C2m17YLFxyTst89xcy6Ct14SonVnJo2wMzURCcLpcVfpAfTBsyVIok4vljr7wgEdp9+qWLQ+ZVFvRlzHcMziVU4aKSremM/5sCjIlsi2d7oFqyhszzcKb6cJT5hxY= Received: by 10.67.116.2 with SMTP id t2mr5562354ugm.1180391669855; Mon, 28 May 2007 15:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from Arthur.gmail.com ( [82.23.35.152]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id q1sm9225521uge.2007.05.28.15.34.28; Mon, 28 May 2007 15:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070528233220.03847758@...> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 23:34:26 +0100 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Bluechip Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: hello? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=240592936; y=JGBk1TziXnZX0NuX3aiAimjc0HTy12FkoifPPANSflYbvIKJwhw X-Yahoo-Profile: cs_bluechip Status: RO Content-Length: 475 Lines: 20 At 06:00 28/05/2007, you wrote: >--- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "cs_bluechip" wrote: > > > > Has this project moved home? > > > > BC > > > >What does "moved home" mean ??? > >don I was led to understand that there was an active and moderated project to hack these devices, but have seen no posts here (about anything). "moved home" is an expression I used to suggest that the project may no longer be hosted here but somewhere else instead. BC From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ick43@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9158 invoked from network); 29 May 2007 18:00:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2007 18:00:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.236) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2007 18:00:17 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n24.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2007 17:57:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2007 17:57:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2007 17:57:41 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 17:57:38 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000401c7a145$030f2cd0$1565a8c0@computer1> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "laffingravy2" Subject: Re: Manual for Mailstation ??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81507276; y=pNOR7dy7bFCADmJkvEhVcQqJsR6Ol3nQAVLVp76YOTYWUdsFt06_ X-Yahoo-Profile: laffingravy2 Status: RO Content-Length: 1488 Lines: 86 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "wayne" wrote: > > > Do= es anybody know where I might be able to get a manual for a Mailstation > = 100/150 unit. I am putting one on line for a "Senior", and I need to get= > them some sort of Operator's manual. > > Thanks, > > Wayne > > >= Wayne, There is a downloadable PDF manual here:http://www.amazon.com/E= arthLink-Mailstation-E-mail-Appliance- Black/dp/B00001WRJS Scroll down th= e page and click "download product manual" Good luck, Laffingravy > _.= _,_.___ > > Messages in this topic (0) Reply (via web post) | Start a ne= w topic > Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members= | Calendar > > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) > Ch= ange settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format >= to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubsc= ribe Recent > Activity > a.. 2New Members > Visit Your Group > SPO= NSORED LINKS > a.. Software development tool > b.. Software develop= ment > c.. Software development services > d.. Software development= company > e.. Custom software development > Sitebuilder > Build a = web site > > quickly & easily > > with Sitebuilder. > > Ads on Yah= oo! > Learn more now. > > Reach customers > > searching for you. > = > Yahoo! Groups > Take a Survey > > express your ideas > > share= your opinion > . > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64858 invoked from network); 29 May 2007 19:21:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 May 2007 19:21:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.122) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2007 19:21:27 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2007 19:20:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2007 19:20:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 May 2007 19:20:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 19:20:43 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: Manual for Mailstation ??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=qwI5ZCcadIh-t1ibmOD3x0ZN7P4n8MwG5AMZQJAwdWM-2hSVjQ X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 338 Lines: 21 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "laffingravy2" wrote: > Wa= yne, > There is a downloadable PDF manual > here: http://www.amazon.com/Ea= rthLink-Mailstation-E-mail-Appliance-Black/dp/B00001WRJS > Scroll down t= he page and click "download > product manual" Shorter link: http://previ= ew.tinyurl.com/2mlhoc Neil From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: donhamilton2002@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53218 invoked from network); 31 May 2007 03:46:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m41.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2007 03:46:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.214) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2007 03:46:13 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n33.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2007 03:45:19 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2007 03:45:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 May 2007 03:45:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 03:45:17 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070528233220.03847758@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "donhamilton2002" Subject: Re: hello? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175336879; y=G3afN-Z8BAlqixOFvPP61zxxaSwh84SVQ19wtor5ztP17dX6DVvCMK_3 X-Yahoo-Profile: donhamilton2002 Status: RO Content-Length: 1250 Lines: 63 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, Bluechip wrote: > > At= 06:00 28/05/2007, you wrote: > >--- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "cs_bl= uechip" wrote: > > > > > > Has this project moved home? > > >= > > > BC > > > > > > >What does "moved home" mean ??? > > > >don > > I wa= s led to understand that there was an active and moderated > project to ha= ck these devices, but have seen no posts here (about > anything). "moved = home" is an expression I used to suggest that the > project may no longer = be hosted here but somewhere else instead. > > BC Thank You for the defi= nation, never heard it said that way before. This is one "home" for inform= ation about mailstation. The other is: http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin= /UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl Scroll down to mailstation. But to let you know= , the "development" of mailstation software stopped awhile ago. There is n= ot enough information to get anything really done. The time required to re= verse enginner the mailstation has slowed to a crawl and has now stopped. = So, if you have the time and disere to forge on ahead, please ask any quest= ions about what you find here and on the Linux-hacker site. Good Luck and = have fun. don From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54413 invoked from network); 31 May 2007 16:25:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 May 2007 16:25:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (208.186.161.99) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2007 16:25:54 -0000 Received: from computer1 (computer1.handypage5.net [192.168.101.21]) by www.handypage.net (8.13.6/8.13.6/netmax) with SMTP id l4VGAiYM023190 for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 09:11:24 -0700 To: Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 09:11:39 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c7a39e$5f8dd780$1565a8c0@computer1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7A363.B32EFF80" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/3335/Thu May 31 03:16:21 2007 on www.handypage.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "wayne" Reply-To: Subject: RE: [mailstation] Re: Manual for Mailstation ??? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=EdrLIH7a9mSvqSouMp3heTOMAhGmOGgG6TCXLoKj1Zs7PEqVJ3lGCA X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 9714 Lines: 289 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7A363.B32EFF80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks everyone, this is exactly what I was looking for......... I have been trying to find some time to play with the Linux Internet/email server we own, and try to see if I can set it up on one of the spare netcards that I can put in it and then tell it is the DNS address of the mailstation units. Then try to see if I can get a couple of these units I have to change over to another usable address. I have two Model 350's that I can't get to work on Earthlink's system. One has had the memory erased (whoops), and the other seems to work but Earthlink just can't get it to recognize their setup message and get it to change it's default address to work. It seems to send and receive correctly, but just won't recognize the setup messages. Also, something most people are not aware of. There is an account set up on Earthlink for every mailstation serial number out there. This is so the mailstation can log into the SMTP server and get the setup message to change over to the account that is being setup for the customer. Providing the correct network information is in the mailstation programming, it will call up Earthlink and get whatever is in that serial number account. Unfortunately you cannot send anything to those accounts from outside of Earthlink. But it does let you see if the unit is working !! If I remember correctly there was an entry on this BBS that told you how to figure out what the password was so you could log in to that account from a regular computer to see if the mailstation found anything. Most of the technical stuff on the mailstations is being done from India. I talked and worked with a very knowledgeable tech over there that helped me get a Model 350 working, but we were still unable to get the other one to work. The 350's evidently take a different type of setup message than the other models. Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil Morrison Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 12:21 PM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: [mailstation] Re: Manual for Mailstation ??? --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "laffingravy2" wrote: > Wayne, > There is a downloadable PDF manual > here: http://www.amazon.com/EarthLink-Mailstation-E-mail-Appliance-Black/dp/B00001 WRJS > Scroll down the page and click "download > product manual" Shorter link: http://preview.tinyurl.com/2mlhoc Neil ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7A363.B32EFF80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= /HEAD>
          Thanks everyone, = this is exactly what I was looking for.........
           
          I have been trying to find some time to= play with the Linux Internet/email server
          we = own, and try to see if I can set it up on one of the spare netcards that I = can put in
          it and then tell it is the DNS addr= ess of the mailstation units.  Then try to see if
          =
          I can get a couple of these units I have to change over to another= usable address.
           
          I have two Model 350's that I can't get to work on Earthlink's system= .  One has had the
          memory erased (whoops)= , and the other seems to work but Earthlink just can't get it to
          recognize their setup message and get it to change it'= s default address to work.  It seems
          to s= end and receive correctly, but just won't recognize the setup messages.
           
          Also, somethin= g most people are not aware of.  There is an account set up on Earthl= ink for
          every mailstation serial number out the= re.  This is so the mailstation can log into the SMTP <= /DIV>
          server and get the setup message to change over to the accoun= t that is being setup for the
          customer.=
           
          Providing the corr= ect network information is in the mailstation programming, it will call up=
          Earthlink and get whatever is in that serial n= umber account.  Unfortunately you cannot send
          anything to those accounts from outside of Earthlink.  But it doe= s let you see if the unit is
          working !!  = If I remember correctly there was an entry on this BBS that told you how t= o figure
          out what the password was so you could= log in to that account from a regular computer to see<= /DIV>
          if the mailstation found anything.
          <= SPAN class=3D886404915-31052007> 
          Most of the technical stuff on the mai= lstations is being done from India.  I talked and worked with<= /SPAN>
          a very knowledgeable tech over there that helped me ge= t a Model 350 working, but we were still unable
          <= SPAN class=3D886404915-31052007>to get the other one to work.   The 350's evidently take a= different type of setup message than the
          other= models.
           
          Wa= yne
           =
           
          ----= -Original Message-----
          From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mail= to:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil Morrison
          S= ent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 12:21 PM
          To: mailstation@yahoog= roups.com
          Subject: [mailstation] Re: Manual for Mailstation ??= ?

          --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "laffingravy2" wrote:

          > Wayne,
          > Th= ere is a downloadable PDF manual
          > here:
          = http://www.amazon.com/EarthLink-Mailstation-E-mail-Appliance= -Black/dp/B00001WRJS

          > Scroll down the page and = click "download
          > product manual"

          Shorter link:

          http://preview.tinyurl.c= om/2mlhoc

          Neil

          ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7A363.B32EFF80-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: donhamilton2002@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60283 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2007 03:04:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2007 03:04:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.218) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2007 03:04:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2007 03:03:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jun 2007 03:03:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 03:03:24 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "donhamilton2002" Subject: Group Change X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175336879; y=-Z06ZE9h9lHqRO9JGYBJ_rBcK0ckXKQP_X0hE0Z16023q03L4b3XF64a X-Yahoo-Profile: donhamilton2002 Status: RO Content-Length: 318 Lines: 23 To the regulars, I have opened this group for everyone to read messages he= re. Posting is still limited to getting my approval. For josalyne-overfel= t who use a @*****.info email address ( four times ) ***.info domains are = SPAM domains. I will not let anyone on with a .info domain. Live with it.= don From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96386 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2007 04:44:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jun 2007 04:44:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (208.186.161.99) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2007 04:44:24 -0000 Received: from www.handypage.net (localhost.handypage.net [127.0.0.1]) by www.handypage.net (8.13.6/8.13.6/netmax) with ESMTP id l514kMQs027326 for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 21:46:22 -0700 Received: from ip68-3-99-56.ph.ph.cox.net ([68.3.99.56]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user waynem) by www.handypage.net with HTTP; Thu, 31 May 2007 21:46:22 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <33015.68.3.99.56.1180673182.squirrel@...> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 21:46:22 -0700 (MST) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/3335/Thu May 31 03:16:21 2007 on www.handypage.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "wayne markis" Reply-To: waynem@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Group Change X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=tQOm_S5oAlokPBj_llM3oiRuUShlkhkzZTox5XlExg6n-9tTGisGDQ X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 641 Lines: 33 I for one say thanks, we get enough of that stuff all day. Heard today that they put away on of the biggest Spammers this week. About half the spam disappeared from my email this week !!!! Hope they get the others, especially the ones that do falsified return IP addresses (spoofed) thanks, wayne > To the regulars, > > I have opened this group for everyone to read messages here. > > Posting is still limited to getting my approval. > > For josalyne-overfelt who use a @*****.info email address ( four times ) > > ***.info domains are SPAM domains. > > I will not let anyone on with a .info domain. > > Live with it. > > > don > > > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: donhamilton2002@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65471 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2007 14:46:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jul 2007 14:46:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2007 14:46:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2007 14:51:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jul 2007 14:45:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 14:45:57 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "donhamilton2002" Subject: Heres a new old idea. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175336879; y=iZe_XF-dwoxRvzsG228K0IAmdh1PujRQJkn-9k1cnXLKy2ECWreCS3hY X-Yahoo-Profile: donhamilton2002 Status: RO Content-Length: 63 Lines: 8 http://www.pocketmail.com/us/ Click on "How it works" don From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56357 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2007 18:51:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jul 2007 18:51:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.105) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2007 18:51:23 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n10.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2007 18:50:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2007 18:50:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2007 18:50:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:50:46 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "iwireless2001" Subject: Re: Heres a new old idea. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=yHgMrH9ZiTKZ0T3hsiRkXSECTN3VB-LngtTJzwqiSnchnsUDTJoAXw X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 529 Lines: 31 Looks like a great product, at a great price, but the service price per mo= nth is about double what Earthklink wants for the "Basic" Mailstation serv= ice. Maybe they will come down a little ??? They could cut the mailbox me= mory in half ( from 500 messages to maybe 100) and charge less per month ?= ?? But it provides some great competition !! Wayne --- In mailstation@= yahoogroups.com, "donhamilton2002" wrote: > > http:/= /www.pocketmail.com/us/ > > Click on "How it works" > > don > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: brian_donaldson@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22004 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2007 19:01:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2007 19:01:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.128) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2007 19:01:39 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2007 18:59:00 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2007 18:59:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2007 18:59:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:58:57 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "bfd1967" Subject: New in box Cidco DET1-01 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=45847533; y=fqMmPF84gQFIpAtv8wy_Byw4UXWOYmOhQPuOkQxgXcrTTSIiVeX7UlSk X-Yahoo-Profile: bfd1967 Status: RO Content-Length: 210 Lines: 8 I have a Cidco DET1-01 that was used in a photoshoot for a Pacific Bell ad= in 1999. It's in the original box. I don't think it's ever been plugged i= n. Please let me know if you are interested in it. bd From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic1979@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7575 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2007 05:07:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2007 05:07:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.208) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2007 05:07:48 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n31.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2007 05:06:26 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2007 05:06:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2007 05:06:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 05:06:25 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Jeff" Subject: Hex Editor Usage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102236512; y=zQSIXeq_sFtooGa4Mha90rS1mQMDi-9ptIhR28QLKeWJVVjDSq6ChRo X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 3178 Lines: 104 Hiya folks. I got a Mailstation a few years ago, but at the time, develop= ment was still barely in the hardware discovery phase, with no hope in sig= ht of ever running homebrew code or reflashing the device. I figured all = efforts were about dead, and stopped keeping up with it. I also messed ar= ound with the thing using my own POP account for a bit, but then got tired= of it altogether and stashed it away. Well I got to thinking about a pro= ject I'm planning involving a microcontroller and graphical LCD, and happe= ned to remember having the Mailstation stashed away, so I dug it back out = to muck around with, deciding to see what people have been up to since I l= ast checked. Quite a bit, apparently! Not only do they know a lot about = the components and memory layout and such, but apparently there's a coupl= e different methods of running homebrew code. Pretty great work there, gu= ys. I'm not keen on totally reflashing my MS at this point though, partia= lly cause I don't want to risk messing it up with no hopes of reflashing i= t due to the tiny board components, so I decided to try using the hex edit= or functionality to enter code manually. I'm a bit confused on how to use= it, however. For the record, I have an old black DET1, and a demo unit at= that. Following the instructions in the spew.txt, I got to the hex viewe= r. It then says in order to enter hex edit mode, you use "G710304x", alo= ng with control-s to edit. A few things about this, though: - Firstly, ho= w does the hex editor addressing work in order for me to know what device/= page/sector/whatever of ram/codeflash/dataflash? - I noticed that unless I= use the "G710304x" first, I can't edit at all. Why is this? And is the = "x" significant? I found that even if I put an x after a normal address (= 0000 for example), I still can't edit without using that particular addres= s above beforehand. - Is it even possible for me to modify ram from there?= It'd be nice if I could enter code there to test without updating the fl= ash over and over. And in the event that you can enter code into the ram = from the hex editor, does it still exist once the MS starts up? - Less im= portantly, I don't have a control key. I found simply pressing "s" enters= and exits edit mode, though. I guess it makes no difference, but thought= it worth mentioning. I think that's all I meant to ask. At first, I tho= ught I might just carefully remove the guts (storing'em away just in case)= and reuse the keyboard and LCD along with something like an 8052 variant,= but if there's some chance I can put my own code into the thing and get = some functionality out of what's already there, that'd be pretty cool. I = think I read elsewhere here that it has like 9 or 10 pages of flash free, = so that's quite a bit for development purposes. 128k of ram is pretty dec= ent, too. Oh also, in the Yahoo icon apps, what return address would I jum= p to in order to get back to the menu? Preferably the application menu, = but either is fine. The spew.txt example jumps to 0000, which apparently = resets the device. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52591 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2007 16:25:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2007 16:25:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.125) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2007 16:25:46 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2007 16:25:38 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2007 16:25:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2007 16:25:38 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:25:36 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "iwireless2001" Subject: Re: Hex Editor Usage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=u1CW3PoVMF1nCvM5ZehTKi5LVcxynxQ2YkuXMjsI04QamJlIeUOIrQ X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 3860 Lines: 143 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" wrote: > > = Hiya folks. I got a Mailstation a few years ago, but at the time, > devel= opment was still barely in the hardware discovery phase, with no > hope i= n sight of ever running homebrew code or reflashing the > device. I figur= ed all efforts were about dead, and stopped keeping > up with it. I also = messed around with the thing using my own POP > account for a bit, but the= n got tired of it altogether and stashed it > away. > > Well I got to th= inking about a project I'm planning involving a > microcontroller and grap= hical LCD, and happened to remember having > the Mailstation stashed away,= so I dug it back out to muck around > with, deciding to see what people h= ave been up to since I last > checked. > > Quite a bit, apparently! Not = only do they know a lot about the > components and memory layout and such,= but apparently there's a > couple different methods of running homebrew c= ode. Pretty great work > there, guys. > > I'm not keen on totally refla= shing my MS at this point though, > partially cause I don't want to risk m= essing it up with no hopes of > reflashing it due to the tiny board compon= ents, so I decided to try > using the hex editor functionality to enter co= de manually. I'm a bit > confused on how to use it, however. > > For th= e record, I have an old black DET1, and a demo unit at that. > Following = the instructions in the spew.txt, I got to the hex viewer. > It then say= s in order to enter hex edit mode, you use "G710304x", > along with contro= l-s to edit. A few things about this, though: > > - Firstly, how does the= hex editor addressing work in order for me to > know what device/page/se= ctor/whatever of ram/codeflash/dataflash? > > - I noticed that unless I us= e the "G710304x" first, I can't edit at > all. Why is this? And is the "= x" significant? I found that even if > I put an x after a normal address= (0000 for example), I still can't > edit without using that particular ad= dress above beforehand. > > - Is it even possible for me to modify ram fro= m there? It'd be nice > if I could enter code there to test without upda= ting the flash over > and over. And in the event that you can enter code = into the ram from > the hex editor, does it still exist once the MS start= s up? > > - Less importantly, I don't have a control key. I found simply = > pressing "s" enters and exits edit mode, though. I guess it makes no = > difference, but thought it worth mentioning. > > > I think that's all I= meant to ask. At first, I thought I might just > carefully remove the g= uts (storing'em away just in case) and reuse > the keyboard and LCD along = with something like an 8052 variant, but > if there's some chance I can pu= t my own code into the thing and get > some functionality out of what's al= ready there, that'd be pretty > cool. I think I read elsewhere here that = it has like 9 or 10 pages > of flash free, so that's quite a bit for devel= opment purposes. 128k > of ram is pretty decent, too. > > Oh also, in t= he Yahoo icon apps, what return address would I jump to > in order to get= back to the menu? Preferably the application menu, > but either is fine.= The spew.txt example jumps to 0000, which > apparently resets the device= . > First off your using one of the first Mailstations ever made, and it = does not have a lot of ROM or RAM in it. The Hex editor "is" editing the= entire memory in the unit !!! If I remember there is NO flash memory in = that unit. The code that you put in is the "Password" to get into the Hex = editor as per what the manufacturer picked for that unit. That is why it i= s that particular code and nothing else !! Good luck with your project !!= Wayne From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic1979@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92199 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2007 21:35:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jul 2007 21:35:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.253) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2007 21:35:04 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n30.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2007 21:34:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2007 21:33:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jul 2007 21:33:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:33:24 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Jeff" Subject: Re: Hex Editor Usage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102236512; y=YmL-Nfcs5F62LN6ivgb2wWJxK4zQTAGyRvUYuxHmQg1xdWwAdyh3hvE X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 1946 Lines: 73 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "iwireless2001" wrote: > = > First off your using one of the first Mailstations ever made, and it >= does not have a lot of ROM or RAM in it. The Hex editor "is" editing > = the entire memory in the unit !!! If I remember there is NO flash > memor= y in that unit. > > The code that you put in is the "Password" to get into= the Hex editor > as per what the manufacturer picked for that unit. That= is why it is > that particular code and nothing else !! > > Good luck w= ith your project !! > Wayne > Naw it's pretty much the standard hardware = as anyone elses of this model. The only thing different about it being a = display model that I'm aware of is that I can specify my own POP and SMTP = servers in the settings. I double-checked all the chips before, it's got = the same 128KB EPROM, 512KB EEPROM, 1MB Flash, and 128KB SRAM that I've se= en others list as their models having. Plus I've flashed some test code i= n with the "Yahoo icon" method to see if it'd work, and it saves it. Anyh= oo if that's really just a code and not some particular memory location, t= hen it still leaves me wondering how to use the hex editor. I initially t= hought it was only editing code, but then I found that one can also access= their emails from here as well, so I really have no idea which chips I'm = accessing at any particular location. I'm also curious if someone could g= ive me the entire series of identifier bytes that belong to one of the cus= tom apps. I'd kind of like to figure out the icon format if possible, eve= n though I'm sure others have tried and might have had more skill at figur= ing it out than me. I've messed with my share of graphics data for other = stuff though so I thought I'd like to take a look just in case. Even more= helpful along with that data would also be an image of the icon itself t= o compare against. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43854 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2007 04:57:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2007 04:57:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.184) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2007 04:57:51 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2007 04:57:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2007 04:57:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2007 04:57:30 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 04:57:30 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Hex Editor Usage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=HFzb0A8pgbrJa9U9PNIvyfdJNMpknz3rBCwe3KHfCZrk7W1EIQ18nhVYuQ X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 2148 Lines: 82 > Anyhoo if that's really just a code and not some particular memory > loc= ation, then it still leaves me wondering how to use the hex > editor. I i= nitially thought it was only editing code, but then I > found that one can= also access their emails from here as well, so I > really have no idea wh= ich chips I'm accessing at any particular > location. It's just a back do= or they left, not a real address. The first thing you get to is just a h= ex-viewer. The viewer has a hidden command "^s" that puts you in edit mo= de, but only if the edit-mode has been enabled. The menu says ^s, but you= are right, just s works, too. By the way, the ctrl key is labeled "Fn".= When you enter (or just ), the viewer checks a flag to see = if you are allowed to edit, and if so, kicks you over to edit mode. If yo= u are not allowed to edit, you just stay in viewer mode. The only way to g= et that flag set is to first enter "go" mode, where there is a hidden comm= and "x". Whenever you feed an "x" to go mode, it will check the value in= the address buffer. If that buffer does not have the value "710304", the= "x" command does nothing. But if the secret number is in that buffer (d= isplayed in middle of screen), then it sets the edit-enable flag. Bet the= y thought no one would ever figure *that* out! ;^) After setting flag, y= ou need to go back to viewer mode. Easiest way to get back is with = key. If you hit enter instead, it will try to put you at an address way= past the end of the dataflash. I think it rounds down to the highest pos= sible address. Then you will need to "go" again, to get to where you wan= t to edit. If you leave with it will leave you pointing to whateve= r sector you were previously viewing. If you have successfully set the ed= it-enable flag, you can now toggle between editor and viewer with ^s (I c= an't remember if plain works to leave edit mode). You have to leave e= dit mode to move to another sector, but you only need to set the enable f= lag once. This viewer/editor only works with the dataflash. --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55309 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2007 08:21:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2007 08:21:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.215) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2007 08:21:05 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n18.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2007 08:19:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2007 08:19:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2007 08:19:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:19:47 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="9-1197933259-1816722315=:2" X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: helloapp.asm X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=FjATYXzZUxcAQ7rD9xOYXgG7cW6HRc5GP15nSOKr1d3frHMlXDuZ3G7snQ X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 29751 Lines: 721 --9-1197933259-1816722315=:2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ; Hello World, as a mailstation app. ; As best I can recall, this code has= never been tested, mainly ; because I never finished adding function to ma= ilbug that will ; load dataflash. I am posting this because I believe it c= orrectly ; shows the structure of a mailstation app. ; some functions we = will use from the mailstation rom localize equ #056b ;localiz= e(register de =3D -byteslocal) draw_app_foldertab equ #0827 ;Draw_app_f= oldertab(stringptr) set_f_key_menu equ #0638 ;set_f_key_menu(who, d= ataptr, num_rows) init_widget_thingy equ #072B ;init_widget_thingy(tab1= 6row, thingyptr) draw_icon_wc equ #0743 ;draw_icon_wc(thingyptr, = x, y, iconnum) put_event_go_prev_app equ #066e defaulthandler equ #0= 602 ;defaulthandler(who, tab30.6, signal, par6, par8) ORG #4000= ; This is *always* #4000, regardless of what = ; page you use. JP eventhandler DEFW icons = DEFW caption DEFW dunno dunno: DEFB #00 xpos: DEFW #0000 ypos:= DEFW #0000 caption: DEFW #0001 ; ????? DEFW= endcap-caption-6 ; num of chars DEFW #0006 ; offset= to first char defm "Hello World" ; the caption string endcap:= org #4064 ; not sure this is needed icons: de= fw icon2 - icon1 ; size icon1 defw icon1 - icons ; offset to= icon1 (icon at #406c) defw iconend - icon2 ; size icon2 = defw icon2 - icons ; offset to icon2 icon1: ; The first icon is used i= n the mailstation menu. ; First the size data (standard mailstation men= u icons are 34 x 34) defw #0022 ; icon width (#0022 =3D 34 dec =3D= 4.25 bytes, ; rounded up, means 5 bytes per row) = defb #22 ; icon height (34 dec pix rows high) ; Then the icon bitm= ap (lo order bit displays on LEFT of each byte!) defb #55,#55,#55= ,#55,#55, #aa,#aa,#aa,#aa,#aa defb #55,#55,#55,#55,#55, #aa,#aa,#aa= ,#aa,#aa defb #55,#55,#55,#55,#55, #aa,#aa,#aa,#aa,#aa defb = #55,#55,#55,#55,#55, #aa,#aa,#aa,#aa,#aa defb #55,#55,#55,#55,#55,= #aa,#aa,#00,#aa,#aa defb #55,#55,#00,#55,#55, #aa,#aa,#00,#aa,#aa = defb #55,#55,#00,#55,#55, #aa,#aa,#00,#aa,#aa defb #55,#55,= #00,#55,#55, #aa,#aa,#00,#aa,#aa defb #55,#55,#00,#55,#55, #aa,#aa,= #aa,#aa,#aa defb #55,#55,#55,#55,#55, #aa,#aa,#aa,#aa,#aa de= fb #55,#55,#55,#55,#55, #aa,#aa,#aa,#aa,#aa defb #55,#55,#55,#55,#= 55, #aa,#aa,#aa,#aa,#aa defb #55,#55,#55,#55,#55, #aa,#aa,#aa,#aa,#= aa defb #55,#55,#55,#55,#55, #aa,#aa,#aa,#aa,#aa defb #55,#= 55,#55,#55,#55, #aa,#aa,#aa,#aa,#aa defb #55,#55,#55,#55,#55, #aa,#= aa,#aa,#aa,#aa defb #55,#55,#55,#55,#55, #aa,#aa,#aa,#aa,#aa icon= 2: ; In official apps, the second icon would be the TV guide, ; weather, ne= ws, etc., stored as a full screen (320 x 128) image. ; This is used when th= e app needs to draw itself. ; Your app may not need this icon. defw = #0030 ; width defb #22 ; height defb #00,#00,#04,#E0= ,#03,#00, #F0,#01,#0F,#3E,#07,#00 defb #9C,#02,#0F,#7F,#0C,#00, #04= ,#86,#07,#93,#09,#00 defb #42,#C2,#01,#A0,#0B,#00, #F3,#44,#9E,#FF,= #0A,#00 defb #91,#F6,#F3,#F6,#0D,#00, #99,#8C,#4E,#E6,#07,#00 = defb #F1,#C1,#46,#2E,#06,#00, #93,#40,#44,#44,#0C,#00 defb #3E,#= C0,#C0,#40,#08,#00, #10,#80,#C0,#41,#0C,#00 defb #10,#80,#EB,#27,#0= 6,#00, #18,#00,#3F,#7D,#02,#00 defb #08,#00,#00,#C3,#07,#00, #08,#0= 0,#00,#02,#0E,#00 defb #18,#80,#31,#FE,#1F,#80, #70,#00,#1F,#FF,#7F= ,#78 defb #E0,#01,#8C,#F8,#DF,#07, #00,#17,#C8,#F0,#CF,#00 d= efb #00,#7C,#58,#E0,#87,#FC, #FF,#FF,#B1,#80,#A3,#07 defb #00,#80,= #7F,#85,#81,#00, #00,#00,#91,#80,#C0,#0F defb #00,#F0,#FF,#C1,#48,#= F8, #C0,#1F,#36,#42,#60,#00 defb #7C,#80,#5E,#60,#28,#00, #03,#70,#= B5,#E0,#1A,#00 defb #00,#0E,#E4,#BB,#07,#00, #80,#01,#24,#06,#01,#0= 0 defb #60,#00,#64,#80,#01,#00, #18,#00,#4C,#60,#00,#00 defb= #04,#00,#88,#39,#00,#00, #00,#00,#08,#0F,#00,#00 iconend: ; -- Above dat= a may need to be at fixed addresses, regardless of the ; -- fact that there= seem to be pointers to them in header. I do ; -- believe there may be cas= es where mailstation addresses data ; -- directly, without following pointe= r. ; -- ; -- The eventhandler would normally be near end of page, after a ;= -- large block of graphic data (standard ms apps are mostly just an ; -- i= mage). I don't think address matters, as long as jump in header ; -- can f= ind it. eventhandler: ;eventhandler(who, appstate, signal, this, that) = ld de,-25 ; local: sp0008-sp0020 (25 dec bytes) call l= ocalize ; par: sp0025, sp0027, sp0029, sp002b, sp002d ;locals menuit= em equ #0008 ; first local is at sp + 8 bytes of register sa= ve mythingy equ menuitem + 5 ; menuitem + size of menuitem ; param= eters who equ mythingy + 20 + 4 ; mythingy + size of mythingy + 4 m= ore bytes of reg save appstate equ who + 2 signal equ appstate + 2 t= his equ signal + 2 that equ this + 2 ld hl,signal = ; a =3D par4 signal add hl,sp ld a,(hl) ex de,hl = dec a jr z,event_appinit ; sig =3D #01 (app init) sub= 07 jr z,event_keydown ; sig =3D #08 (key down) sub 02 = jp z,event_menu ; sig =3D #0A (menu event) sub 03 j= r z,event_draw ; sig =3D #0D (draw app) jp event_other ;= else event_appinit: ; draw foldertab ld hl,foldertabtext ; the s= tring push hl call draw_app_foldertab pop de ; set up= the f-key menu ld hl,menuitem add hl,sp ld (hl),#36 = ; string# of "Back" in string table inc hl ld (hl),#00 = inc hl ld (hl),#64 ; code for menucommand "cm_back" inc hl = ld (hl),#00 inc hl ld (hl),#03 ; scancode for f1 key = ld hl,#0001 push hl ; [-2] push #0001 (n =3D 1 recor= d) ld hl,menuitem+2 add hl,sp push hl ; [-4] pus= h @menuitem ld hl,who+4 add hl,sp ld e,(hl) ld= d,#00 push de ; [-6] push who call set_f_key_menu = pop de pop de pop de ; return nexstate =3D 1 ld hl= ,#0001 ret event_draw: ; draws the datascreen (TV listing, weather= , news, etc.) ; First, we need to init a local thingy ld hl,mythingy= add hl,sp push hl ; push @mythingy ld hl,#00FF ;= use whole screen window push hl call init_widget_thingy = pop de pop de ; Next we draw whatever needs drawin'. ; For now, = we just draw the 2nd app icon (see header) ; This is how the standard apps = display weather, TV listings, ; or news, the displayed info is just a big i= con. ; But you would draw anything your app needs to display here. = ld hl,#0081 ; 2nd app icon, the datascreen push hl ld hl,(y= pos) push hl ld hl,(xpos) push hl ld hl,mythi= ngy+6 add hl,sp push hl call draw_icon_wc ld h= l,#0008 add hl,sp ld sp,hl jr ret_samestate ; ret = par2 event_keydown: ex de,hl ; hl =3D @par4 inc hl = inc hl ld e,(hl) ; par6 (this) inc hl ld d,(hl) = dec de ; de =3D this - 1 ld a,d or e jr nz,= ret_samestate ; if this <> 1, we're done ; signal was #08 AND this was = #01 (it's the "back" key down) call put_event_go_prev_app jr= ret_samestate ; ret par2 event_menu: ex de,hl ; hl =3D @pa= r4 inc hl inc hl ld e,(hl) inc hl ld d,(= hl) ; par6 (this) ld hl,#FF9C ; - #64 add hl,de ; hl = =3D this - cm_back ld a,h or l jr nz,ret_samestate ; = if this <> #64, then ret par2 ; signal was #0A AND "this" was #64 = call put_event_go_prev_app jr ret_samestate event_other: ; signal= was something else, call default handler. ; I suppose this might be like c= alling the "inherited" event handler. ; Default handler rets 0 when signal = was #13 ; rets 1 when signal was #14 ; rets= par2 for all other cases ld hl,that ; par8 that add hl,s= p ld e,(hl) inc hl ld d,(hl) push de de= c hl dec hl ld d,(hl) dec hl ; par6 this = ld e,(hl) push de dec hl dec hl ; par4 signal= ld e,(hl) ld d,00 push de dec hl dec h= l ; par2 appstate ld e,(hl) push de dec hl = dec hl ; par0 who ld e,(hl) push de call d= efaulthandler ex de,hl ; de =3D retval ld hl,#000A = add hl,sp ld sp,hl ld d,00 ;; ret de (we return same ret= val) ex de,hl ret ; after #0D, #08, #0A, return par2 (ap= pstate) ; iow, app stays in the same state. ret_samestate: ld hl,app= state add hl,sp ld e,(hl) ld d,00 ex de,hl ;= ret hl =3D sp0078 (par2) ret foldertabtext: db "Hello Wor= ld!!!", 0 --9-1197933259-1816722315=:2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ; Hello World, as a mailstation app.

          ; As= best I can recall, this code has never been tested, mainly
          ; because I = never finished adding function to mailbug that will
          ; load dataflash.&nb= sp; I am posting this because I believe it correctly
          ; shows the structu= re of a mailstation app.


          ; some functions we will use from the m= ailstation rom
          localize        &= nbsp;     equ #056b  ;localize(register de =3D -by= teslocal)
          draw_app_foldertab    equ #0827  ;Draw_app= _foldertab(stringptr)  
          set_f_key_menu     = ;   equ #0638  ;set_f_key_menu(who, dataptr, num_rows)
          in= it_widget_thingy    equ #072B  ;init_widget_thingy(tab1= 6row, thingyptr)
          draw_icon_wc       &= nbsp;  equ #0743  ;draw_icon_wc(thingyptr, x, y, iconnum)
          put_= event_go_prev_app equ #066e
          defaulthandler     =    equ #0602  ;defaulthandler(who, tab30.6, signal, par6, pa= r8)


                 ORG  #4000 &n= bsp;      ; This is *always* #4000, regardless of = what
                     &= nbsp;           &nbs= p; ; page you use.

                 JP &nbs= p;  eventhandler
                 DEFW  ic= ons       
               &= nbsp; DEFW  caption
                 DEFW = dunno
                     = ;             <= br>dunno: DEFB #00
          xpos:  DEFW #0000
          ypos:  DEFW #0000
          &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;           
          caption:=
                 DEFW  #0001   =           ; ?????
           &nb= sp;     DEFW  endcap-caption-6  ; num of char= s
                 DEFW  #0006   = ;          ; offset to first c= har
                 defm "Hello World"  &= nbsp;   ; the caption string
          endcap:

             =    org   #4064       = ;     ; not sure this is needed

          icons: &nbs= p;  
                defw  icon2 - icon1 &= nbsp;  ; size icon1
                defw  icon1= - icons    ; offset to icon1   (icon at #406c)      defw  iconend - icon2  ; size ico= n2
                defw  icon2 - icons  &n= bsp; ; offset to icon2

          icon1:
          ; The first icon is used in the mai= lstation menu.
          ;     First the size data (standard m= ailstation menu icons are 34 x 34)
                defw #= 0022  ; icon width  (#0022 =3D 34 dec =3D 4.25 bytes,
           &n= bsp;            = ;    ; rounded up, means 5 bytes per row)
            &nb= sp;   defb #22    ; icon height (34 dec pix rows h= igh)

          ;     Then the icon bitmap   (lo = order bit displays on LEFT of each byte!)
               = defb  #55,#55,#55,#55,#55, #aa,#aa,#aa,#aa,#aa
             &= nbsp;  defb  #55,#55,#55,#55,#55, #aa,#aa,#aa,#aa,#aa
           &n= bsp;    defb  #55,#55,#55,#55,#55, #aa,#aa,#aa,#aa,#aa<= br>      defb  #55,#55,#55,#55,#55, #aa,#aa,#= aa,#aa,#aa
                defb  #55,#55,#55,#55,#55= , #aa,#aa,#00,#aa,#aa
                defb  #55,#55,= #00,#55,#55, #aa,#aa,#00,#aa,#aa
                defb&nbs= p; #55,#55,#00,#55,#55, #aa,#aa,#00,#aa,#aa
              &nbs= p; defb  #55,#55,#00,#55,#55, #aa,#aa,#00,#aa,#aa
             = ;   defb  #55,#55,#00,#55,#55, #aa,#aa,#aa,#aa,#aa
           =      defb  #55,#55,#55,#55,#55, #aa,#aa,#aa,#aa,#a= a
                defb  #55,#55,#55,#55,#55, #aa,#aa= ,#aa,#aa,#aa
                defb  #55,#55,#55,#55,#= 55, #aa,#aa,#aa,#aa,#aa
                defb  #55,#5= 5,#55,#55,#55, #aa,#aa,#aa,#aa,#aa
                defb&n= bsp; #55,#55,#55,#55,#55, #aa,#aa,#aa,#aa,#aa
              &n= bsp; defb  #55,#55,#55,#55,#55, #aa,#aa,#aa,#aa,#aa
            &nb= sp;   defb  #55,#55,#55,#55,#55, #aa,#aa,#aa,#aa,#aa
          &nbs= p;     defb  #55,#55,#55,#55,#55, #aa,#aa,#aa,#aa,= #aa
              

          icon2:
          ; In official apps, the second = icon would be the TV guide,
          ; weather, news, etc., stored as a full scre= en (320 x 128) image.
          ; This is used when the app needs to draw itself. =  
          ; Your app may not need this icon.
              &nb= sp; defw  #0030   ; width
                = defb  #22     ; height
              =   defb  #00,#00,#04,#E0,#03,#00, #F0,#01,#0F,#3E,#07,#00
           = ;     defb  #9C,#02,#0F,#7F,#0C,#00, #04,#86,#07,#= 93,#09,#00
                defb  #42,#C2,#01,#A0,#0B= ,#00, #F3,#44,#9E,#FF,#0A,#00
                defb  = #91,#F6,#F3,#F6,#0D,#00, #99,#8C,#4E,#E6,#07,#00
              = ;  defb  #F1,#C1,#46,#2E,#06,#00, #93,#40,#44,#44,#0C,#00
          &nbs= p;     defb  #3E,#C0,#C0,#40,#08,#00, #10,#80,#C0,= #41,#0C,#00
                defb  #10,#80,#EB,#27,#0= 6,#00, #18,#00,#3F,#7D,#02,#00
                defb = #08,#00,#00,#C3,#07,#00, #08,#00,#00,#02,#0E,#00
             &nbs= p;  defb  #18,#80,#31,#FE,#1F,#80, #70,#00,#1F,#FF,#7F,#78
          &nb= sp;     defb  #E0,#01,#8C,#F8,#DF,#07, #00,#17,#C8= ,#F0,#CF,#00
                defb  #00,#7C,#58,#E0,#= 87,#FC, #FF,#FF,#B1,#80,#A3,#07
                defb = ; #00,#80,#7F,#85,#81,#00, #00,#00,#91,#80,#C0,#0F
             &nb= sp;  defb  #00,#F0,#FF,#C1,#48,#F8, #C0,#1F,#36,#42,#60,#00
          &n= bsp;     defb  #7C,#80,#5E,#60,#28,#00, #03,#70,#B= 5,#E0,#1A,#00
                defb  #00,#0E,#E4,#BB,= #07,#00, #80,#01,#24,#06,#01,#00
                defb&nbs= p; #60,#00,#64,#80,#01,#00, #18,#00,#4C,#60,#00,#00
             &n= bsp;  defb  #04,#00,#88,#39,#00,#00, #00,#00,#08,#0F,#00,#00
          i= conend:

          ; -- Above data may need to be at fixed addresses, regardles= s of the
          ; -- fact that there seem to be pointers to them in header.&nbs= p; I do
          ; -- believe there may be cases where mailstation addresses data=
          ; -- directly, without following pointer.
          ; --
          ; -- The eventhand= ler would normally be near end of page, after a
          ; -- large block of grap= hic data (standard ms apps are mostly just an
          ; -- image).  I don't= think address matters, as long as jump in header
          ; -- can find it.
          <= br>
          eventhandler:
          ;eventhandler(who, appstate, signal, this, that)      ld de,-25     &nbs= p;   ; local: sp0008-sp0020  (25 dec bytes)
            &= nbsp;   call localize     ;   par: = sp0025, sp0027, sp0029, sp002b, sp002d

          ;locals
          menuitem equ #0008=             &nb= sp;   ; first local is at sp + 8 bytes of register save
          mythin= gy equ menuitem + 5         ; menui= tem + size of menuitem

          ; parameters
          who    &n= bsp; equ mythingy + 20 + 4    ; mythingy + size of mythingy = + 4 more bytes of reg save
          appstate equ who     = ; + 2
          signal   equ appstate + 2
          this    = ; equ signal   + 2
          that     equ this =     + 2

                ld hl,signal&n= bsp;   ; a =3D par4   signal
              = ;  add hl,sp  
                ld a,(hl)  =
                ex de,hl    

           = ;     dec a      
           &nb= sp;    jr z,event_appinit   ; sig =3D #01  (a= pp init)  
                sub 07   &= nbsp;  
                jr z,event_keydown &nbs= p; ; sig =3D #08  (key down)  
                = sub 02      
                jp = z,event_menu      ; sig =3D #0A  (menu event)=
                sub 03            jr z,event_draw    &nbs= p; ; sig =3D #0D  (draw app)
                jp even= t_other       ; else


          event_appinit= :
          ; draw foldertab
                ld hl,foldertabtext=   ; the string
                push hl   &= nbsp;
                call draw_app_foldertab  
          &= nbsp;     pop de      

          = ; set up the f-key menu
                ld hl,menuitem      add hl,sp  
              = ;  ld (hl),#36  ; string# of "Back" in string table
           &nbs= p;    inc hl      
            &= nbsp;   ld (hl),#00  
                inc = hl      
                ld (hl)= ,#64  ; code for menucommand "cm_back"
              &nbs= p; inc hl      
                = ld (hl),#00  
                inc hl  &nbs= p;   
                ld (hl),#03  ; scanc= ode for f1 key

                ld hl,#0001  
          =       push hl      ; [-2]= push #0001    (n =3D 1 record)

             &nb= sp;  ld hl,menuitem+2  
                add hl,= sp  
                push hl    =   ; [-4] push @menuitem

                ld hl,wh= o+4
                add hl,sp  
             = ;   ld e,(hl)  
                ld d,#00&n= bsp;   
                push de  &nbs= p;   ; [-6] push who

                call s= et_f_key_menu  
                pop de  &n= bsp;   
                pop de   = ;   
                pop de   &n= bsp;  

          ; return nexstate =3D 1
               = ; ld hl,#0001  
                ret   = ;     


          event_draw:
          ; draws the datascreen= (TV listing, weather, news, etc.)
          ; First, we need to init a local thin= gy
                ld hl,mythingy
             &n= bsp;  add hl,sp  
                push hl =     ; push @mythingy
                ld hl= ,#00FF  ; use whole screen window
                pu= sh hl    
                call init_widget= _thingy  
                pop de   &n= bsp;  
                pop de    = ;  

          ; Next we draw whatever needs drawin'.
          ; For now, we jus= t draw the 2nd app icon (see header)
          ; This is how the standard apps dis= play weather, TV listings,
          ; or news, the displayed info is just a big i= con.
          ; But you would draw anything your app needs to display here.
                ld hl,#0081  ; 2nd app icon, the data= screen
                push hl    

          =       ld hl,(ypos)
              &nbs= p; push hl    

                ld hl,(= xpos)
                push hl    

          &= nbsp;     ld hl,mythingy+6
              &= nbsp; add hl,sp  
                push hl  = ;  

                call draw_icon_wc  &nbs= p;
                ld hl,#0008  
            &nbs= p;   add hl,sp  
                ld sp,hl&= nbsp;   
                jr ret_samestate =     ; ret par2
           
           
          event_keydown:
          &nbs= p;     ex de,hl    ; hl =3D @par4
          &nb= sp;     inc hl      
           =      inc hl      
           &nb= sp;    ld e,(hl)   ; par6  (this)
           &n= bsp;    inc hl      
            = ;    ld d,(hl)  
                dec = de      ; de =3D this - 1
             &nb= sp;  ld a,d      
              =   or e        
             = ;   jr nz,ret_samestate  ; if this <> 1, we're done
          ; signal was #08  AND  this was #01  (it's the "back" k= ey down)
                call put_event_go_prev_app  = ;
                jr ret_samestate    = ; ; ret par2


          event_menu:
                ex de= ,hl    ; hl =3D @par4
                inc = hl      
                inc hl&= nbsp;     
                ld e,(hl) =  
                inc hl     &nb= sp;
                ld d,(hl)   ; par6 &nb= sp; (this)
                ld hl,#FF9C ; - #64  &nbs= p;
                add hl,de   ; hl =3D this - = cm_back
                ld a,h     &n= bsp;
                or l     &n= bsp;  
                jr nz,ret_samestate  ; i= f this <> #64, then ret par2

          ; signal was #0A  AND  = "this" was #64
                call put_event_go_prev_app=  
                jr ret_samestate   &nbs= p;


          event_other:
          ; signal was something else, call default han= dler.
          ; I suppose this might be like calling the "inherited" event handl= er.
          ; Default handler rets 0 when signal was #13
          ;   &= nbsp;           &nbs= p; rets 1 when signal was #14
          ;       = ;          rets par2 for all o= ther cases

                ld hl,that  ; par8&nb= sp;  that
                add hl,sp  
           =      ld e,(hl)  
               = inc hl      
                ld= d,(hl)  
                push de    =

                dec hl      = ;
                dec hl            ld d,(hl)  
             &nbs= p;  dec hl      ; par6   this
          &n= bsp;     ld e,(hl)  
              &n= bsp; push de    

                dec h= l      
                dec hl&n= bsp;     ; par4   signal
             = ;   ld e,(hl)  
                ld d,00&nb= sp;   
                push de   &nbs= p;

                dec hl     &nb= sp;
                dec hl      = ; par2   appstate
                ld e,(hl) &nb= sp;
                push de    

          &nb= sp;     dec hl      
           =      dec hl      ; par0 &= nbsp; who
                ld e,(hl)  
            = ;    push de    

             &nb= sp;  call defaulthandler  

                = ex de,hl    ; de =3D retval
               = ; ld hl,#000A  
                add hl,sp  
          =       ld sp,hl    
            &= nbsp;   ld d,00     ;; ret de (we return same= retval)
                ex de,hl    
          &= nbsp;     ret        = ;


          ; after  #0D, #08, #0A,  return par2  (appstate= )
          ; iow, app stays in the same state.
          ret_samestate:
            &= nbsp;   ld hl,appstate  
                a= dd hl,sp  
                ld e,(hl)  
           = ;     ld d,00    
             &= nbsp;  ex de,hl    ; ret hl =3D sp0078  (par2)
          =       ret       &nbs= p;

           
          foldertabtext:
                db "He= llo World!!!", 0
               
          --9-1197933259-1816722315=:2-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic1979@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43972 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2007 23:02:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.70) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jul 2007 23:02:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2007 23:02:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2007 23:02:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2007 23:02:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:02:11 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Jeff" Subject: Re: Hex Editor Usage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102236512; y=H9D5ykWH1pbtIMK4NwDQ8WYhtBiwo3EfxTT0gUxWp1T1hUoSjUFvdAk X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 2012 Lines: 74 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Cyrano Jones" = wrote: > > After setting flag, you need to go back to viewer > mode. Eas= iest way to get back is with key. That's useful to know, I always= hit enter then had to jump back with another goto. > > This viewer/edit= or only works with the dataflash. > Do we know how much of the dataflash = can be used for our own purposes? Or more to the point, is anything in th= ere truly vital to the functionality of the MS? Could one "break" the MS = by writing junk data to a particular place? If so, I would assume one cou= ld just reset the MS and that'd fix it, but I dunno what all a reset actu= ally performs. In a related question, how much of the ram is important? I= s any of it used for servicing interrupt(s) and such, with the risk of cr= ashing it if one started using particular pages? I still don't know what t= he interrupt routines of the MS are even doing though, or what mode it run= s in or any of that, or as to whether one could write their own routines f= or handling them. I mostly want to just load stuff in via the parallel por= t into a section of ram, to avoid constant rewriting to the dataflash. I = figure one could do this fairly easily without erasing all the existing c= odeflash like mailbug seems to do. I also don't see why it wouldn't be po= ssible at this point to totally commandeer the hardware away from the main= MS code, using the ram and such for our own purposes and just never retur= ning to the MS code. If interrupts were a problem, one could probably jus= t disable them (well, except NMI, assuming it's used) and manually strobe = for keyboard input. Out of curiosity, what's the 128KB EPROM for, when ass= umedly the code is all in the 1MB of flash? Anyway I have lots of quest= ions, not sure how many have been answered somewhere that I haven't notice= d, but hopefully I'm not being a nuisance. hehe And thanks for the help = so far! From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic1979@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36119 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2007 04:37:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2007 04:37:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.121) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2007 04:37:06 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2007 04:36:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2007 04:36:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2007 04:36:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 04:36:36 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Jeff" Subject: Re: helloapp.asm X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102236512; y=8FV02y7yUO2stnXgvs3VSCrWOJYx5r3SGTc0twC4wNhqHBiwNSbZzbw X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 1976 Lines: 64 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Cyrano Jones" = wrote: > > ; Hello World, as a mailstation app. > > ; As best I can recall= , this code has never been tested, mainly > ; because I never finished addi= ng function to mailbug that will > ; load dataflash. I am posting this bec= ause I believe it correctly > ; shows the structure of a mailstation app. >= I had recreated the calculator icon in 1-bit-per-pixel format and was = searching through the dumped flash in the Files section to see if I could = match it up to something that might have some icon header that I could mak= e out. Though I have no idea how it even stores those built-in apps and w= hether it would have even helped to find the icon. So thanks for the stru= cture and icon info! I compiled with as80 (after fixing some of the assemb= ler commands in the beginning there, which it complained about them being = uppercase) and manually entered it into the MS via the hex editor. A 721 = byte file ends up being a little longer to type in that one might think, = but not too bad. I was able to run the app, got a chuckle from the image = it displayed, but noticed there was a problem with the tab's text. It was= just "! ..." instead of "Hello world!!!". I realized that I didn't put a= carriage return after the very last line in the assembly file, which resu= lted in as80 not even parsing that line (a good thing to remember), but ev= en when I recompiled and tacked the extra bytes onto the end in the hex ed= itor, it still gave me the same "! ..." instead of the caption. So I dunn= o what's up with that. But the Back button let me exit and such, so the c= aption issue seems to be the only thing possibly wrong. I went back over = the hex I typed in, and am fairly sure I didn't mistype anything. Unless = you spot anything with the code that could be the issue, I might double-ch= eck my typing once more when it's not so late. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59600 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2007 07:05:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2007 07:05:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.135) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2007 07:05:46 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2007 07:04:27 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2007 07:04:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2007 07:04:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:04:26 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Hex Editor Usage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=e1UEi1yXJyNvSI7LWMYD8mNBHd60wsQT6yYznYUCmEouhpNYwr9XV6gSIw X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 4046 Lines: 153 > Do we know how much of the dataflash can be used for our own > purposes?= I think dataflash pages 0 thru 7 are available for apps. > Or more to = the point, is anything in there truly vital to > the functionality of the = MS? Could one "break" the MS by writing > junk data to a particular place= ? Pages 8 thru 63 of the dataflash are used by the mailstation code, fo= r storing email, settings, etc. > If so, I would assume one could > just = reset the MS and that'd fix it, but I dunno what all a reset > actually pe= rforms. Running the flash test will erase almost everything in dataflash, = except the serial number, IIRC. My hunch is you could fix anything you br= eak by running flash test. > In a related question, how much of the ram is= important? Is any of > it used for servicing interrupt(s) and such, with= the risk of > crashing it if one started using particular pages? Darn go= od question! We don't really know what pages of the RAM might be unused. = I think that all of the RAM used by int's is in RAM page 0 (which is always= found in slotC000). > I still don't know what the interrupt routines of t= he MS are even > doing though, or what mode it runs in or any of that, or = as to > whether one could write their own routines for handling them. The= re are int's for keyboard, modem, caller ID, some timers, and prob the RTC.= Both INT & NMI are vectored to service routine in codeflash, so to writ= e your own, you would need to modify codeflash. IOW, if you are writting an= app that runs from dataflash, you would just let mailstation handle its in= terrupts. But your app can set timers, and then receive timer events. I'= m pretty sure that when your app is active, it will get keyboard and modem = events by default. > I mostly want to just load stuff in via the parallel = port into a > section of ram, to avoid constant rewriting to the dataflash= . I > figure one could do this fairly easily without erasing all the > e= xisting codeflash like mailbug seems to do. The newest version that I was= working on last fall (which got pushed onto back burner, and is unfortunat= ely still there) will work without erasing any of the codeflash. You will = have to edit about 10 bytes or so of the dataflash by hand (with the mailst= ation's native hex editor). > I also don't see why it > wouldn't be possi= ble at this point to totally commandeer the hardware > away from the main = MS code, using the ram and such for our own > purposes and just never retu= rning to the MS code. Absolutely! And you could just reboot the mails= tation to exit your app. (Jump to #0000) > If interrupts were > a probl= em, one could probably just disable them (well, except NMI, > assuming it'= s used) and manually strobe for keyboard input. I don't see any problem wi= th letting the mailstation handle the interupts either, and using the built= in keyboard routines. I don't know yet just how to get an app in the me= nu, except by putting it into the dataflash, but for testing purposes, you= could run it from RAM using mailbug. > Out of curiosity, what's the 128K= B EPROM for, when assumedly the code > is all in the 1MB of flash? It h= olds the code run by the modem chip. There is also a RAM chip for the mode= m. > Anyway I have lots of questions, not sure how many have been answered= > somewhere that I haven't noticed, but hopefully I'm not being a > nuis= ance. hehe AFAICR, there really hasn't been *any* frequently asked questi= on in this group! The documentation has not really been organized very wel= l. There is some in the file section, some in msg archive, and some on the= linux-hacker.net BBS. And, I still have a lot I need to get around to pos= ting. Too many projects, too little time. > And thanks for the help so fa= r! No problem! I do intend to resurect mailbug sometime "real soon now", = but even if I worked full time on it, it might take a week or two just to r= emember where I was at last fall. --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30317 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2007 09:33:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2007 09:33:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.101) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2007 09:33:02 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n9.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2007 09:32:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2007 09:32:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.197] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2007 09:32:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:32:49 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: helloapp.asm X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=r5_F89TQk_sNfkkSVRMltjVj2_NDeHoWhV8_eYJr97mT8GzY3CVQE0IRSg X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 2223 Lines: 88 > I had recreated the calculator icon in 1-bit-per-pixel format and was > = searching through the dumped flash in the Files section to see if I > coul= d match it up to something that might have some icon header that > I could= make out. Though I have no idea how it even stores those > built-in apps= and whether it would have even helped to find the > icon. So thanks for = the structure and icon info! The built-in apps don't use same format. All= of the icons are in a big table, right after the font data in codeflash pa= ge #04 > I compiled with as80 (after fixing some of the assembler commands= in > the beginning there, which it complained about them being uppercase)= Yeah, by default as80 wants lower case only. I add the -i switch to com= mand to allow upper or lower. I almost always type lowercase but I must ha= ve cut and pasted part of that file from an uppercase example. For whateve= r it's worth, here is my bat file for assembling helloapp, with a cheat she= et for the options: ..\as80 -x2 -n -i -l -h0 -w200 -ohelloapp.rom helloapp= C:\PROGRA~1\ACCESS~1\WORDPAD.EXE helloapp.lst REM these are the relevant = options for as80 REM -x2 =3D use z80 extensions to 8080 REM -n =3D no opti= mizations REM -i =3D Ignore case in opcodes REM -l =3D Generate pass 2 li= sting REM -h0 =3D use an infinite page length REM -w200 =3D use 200 column = page width REM -dsomevar =3D define variable REM -osomefilename =3D output = to file name REM -lsomefilename =3D listing file name REM REM -s2 =3D Writ= e intel-hex file instead of binary file > and manually entered it into t= he MS via the hex editor. A 721 byte > file ends up being a little longer= to type in that one might think, :-) > but not too bad. I was able to = run the app, got a chuckle from the > image it displayed, I hope that wa= s not one of the nudie pix of my girlfriend! I really don't remember what i= t is. I guess it is about the size of an icon??? > but noticed there was= a problem with the tab's > text. It was just "! ..." instead of "Hello w= orld!!!". I just noticed that my assembly listing shows it to be 713 by= tes, not 721. This might be at the root of the problem??? --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25441 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2007 09:48:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2007 09:48:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.213) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2007 09:48:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2007 09:53:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2007 09:46:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:46:34 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: helloapp.asm X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=47afrOWlD7OsT5xoeIevGUw3gj05ACG9KK99PNDA-C7dgfDMP8HezuS3TQ X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 607 Lines: 26 > I just noticed that my assembly listing shows it to be > 713 bytes, not = 721. This might be at the root of the problem??? I just uploaded my assem= bly listing of helloapp to root of groups file area. I wonder if I can ma= ke a link to it here? http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/files/= Hmmmmm. for some reason, it is leaving off the filename. This time for s= ure.... http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/ELSpRqWjDgtU18v23HDt6o742uvu7h8ncRlgZ-= MSW23Eq4rYV6ETtnbrMEfZR4M59NkLjszTl5D1JWzMG5MxUQiRh8RD4Hw34ebPhRLkdA/helloa= pp.lst.txt Well, that doesn't look right either. Oh well. --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic1979@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76074 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2007 15:06:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2007 15:06:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.124) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2007 15:06:54 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2007 15:06:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2007 15:06:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2007 15:06:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:06:29 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Jeff" Subject: Re: Hex Editor Usage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102236512; y=73A03aZi7wKdkciREtHvGXxzKrpcYzuWT1U9cjHI05ya92dKI4QrhCc X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 2830 Lines: 108 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Cyrano Jones" = wrote: > > > Pages 8 thru 63 of the dataflash are used by the mailstation = > code, for storing email, settings, etc. > I think you've just answered= a question I had. When perusing the I- Appliance board when I first got b= ack into this, I found the very useful ports list for the MS, which listed= the codeflash as having 64 pages, and the dataflash as 32 pages. In anot= her post, I found somebody pointing out that the smaller chip had less pos= sible write cycles than the larger one, which didn't make any sense to use= it as the dataflash since it was the one getting written to all the time.= You seem to be confirming that the smaller 512KB chip is indeed codefla= sh, with the larger 1MB chip being dataflash. Correct? > > There are in= t's for keyboard, modem, caller ID, some timers, > and prob the RTC. > >= Both INT & NMI are vectored to service routine in codeflash, > so to write= your own, you would need to modify codeflash. > IOW, if you are writting a= n app that runs from dataflash, > you would just let mailstation handle its= interrupts. But your > app can set timers, and then receive timer events= . I'm > pretty sure that when your app is active, it will get > keyboard a= nd modem events by default. I'm assuming the timers are set/triggered via = MS code? In the ports list, "p3.4 =3D increment time16" makes me think th= at on every increment of some time value (16th of a second?) the interrupt= gets triggered, from which the MS interrupt code keeps track of these in= crements, and checks to see if any software timers were set/ triggered. >= > The newest version that I was working on last fall (which > got pushed = onto back burner, and is unfortunately still there) > will work without era= sing any of the codeflash. You will > have to edit about 10 bytes or so of= the dataflash by > hand (with the mailstation's native hex editor). That = sounds pretty useful if you ever get back around to working on it. I know= how it goes about things getting pushed back for other projects and such,= though. > Too many projects, too little time. hehe I hear ya. > > I = do intend to resurect mailbug sometime "real soon now", but > even if I wor= ked full time on it, it might take a week or two > just to remember where I= was at last fall. > Last fall I had my head buried in the workings of th= e original Nintendo, and was making an add-on board for it to load my own = code into a ram/flash cartridge, though the add-on unfortunately never got= finished due to the seeming jungle of wires required to assemble it. An= other of those "I'll finish it sometime" projects, which are more exciting= on paper than when trying to actually complete them! From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic1979@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71824 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2007 15:12:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2007 15:12:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.213) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2007 15:12:44 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2007 15:11:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2007 15:11:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2007 15:11:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:11:19 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Jeff" Subject: Re: helloapp.asm X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102236512; y=9XkXpZhfJ_CG641MXq2bls-UEOrgoEi8h52Tb93bwuaspTgzwMW7Afo X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 817 Lines: 36 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Cyrano Jones" = wrote: > I hope that was not one of the nudie pix of my girlfriend! > I re= ally don't remember what it is. I guess it is about the > size of an icon??= ? lol no such luck on nudie pics. Let's just say that I'm assuming the i= con represents who you were at I-Appliance. > > I just noticed that my a= ssembly listing shows it to be > 713 bytes, not 721. This might be at the= root of the problem??? > When using your as80 command-line options, I al= so got 713 bytes. But when I run the program now, it just says "+V" inste= ad of the former "! ..." So I'm not really sure what could be the problem= , unless it's switching pages during the tab drawing routine. I wouldn't = think so, but it's all that comes to mind. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic1979@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17415 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2007 15:13:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.36) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2007 15:13:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2007 15:13:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n21.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2007 15:13:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2007 15:13:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:13:18 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Jeff" Subject: Re: helloapp.asm X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102236512; y=sRTP9Ta0qea5KfHE3302RHzettHDZc-c1f8cAV_tBg4Uahl1Qf2c9Uw X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 802 Lines: 35 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Cyrano Jones" = wrote: > > > I wonder if I can make a link to it here? > http://tech.group= s.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/files/ > > Hmmmmm. for some reason, it is le= aving off the filename. > > This time for sure.... > http://f1.grp.yahoofs= .com/v1/ELSpRqWjDgtU18v23HDt6o742uvu7h8ncRlgZ- MSW23Eq4rYV6ETtnbrMEfZR4M59N= kLjszTl5D1JWzMG5MxUQiRh8RD4Hw34ebPhRLkdA/ helloapp.lst.txt > > Well, that = doesn't look right either. Oh well. > I think it's using the user's sess= ion ID or some other such random thing in the url, because it's different = when I go to get it. It's even different than it was for me a few minutes= ago. They change it up to prevent people from using it to host files out= side of the group, I guess. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic1979@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28477 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2007 16:00:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2007 16:00:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.216) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2007 16:00:19 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n19.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2007 15:59:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2007 15:59:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2007 15:59:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:59:43 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Jeff" Subject: Misc Questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102236512; y=g_xx-bdw2PCy3iWT8HxnsTWM2NvMEekneAUrmtSHN8gtqfA4NEH3JaE X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 2112 Lines: 76 I decided to make a new topic with just a bunch of various questions, and = hopefully it'll be easier for folks to find in a search. HERE GOES~ - W= hat does "XTND: On" mean exactly in the top right corner of the options sc= reen? - From my understanding, the demo units of the DET1 allowed you to = type in your own POP/SMTP servers. Does this mean the codeflash between a= demo unit and standard unit are different, or is it simply detecting some= hardware aspect and locking out the feature from standard units? If the = code is indeed different, has it ever been dumped? If not/so, are the dum= ps in the Files section from a standard unit? My own demo unit version = seems to be 3.03a, which makes me think that the code is in fact different= , and that it hasn't been dumped (or at least not uploaded), but I wanted = to verify both things. And related to this, I assume it would be possible = to take a dump from a demo unit and put it on a standard unit, so that one= could change the POP/SMTP servers. Not that it matters much, I don't use= the modem functionality of the MS, but I'm curious nonetheless. - Do we= know what all triggers NMI interrupts? - Do we know how exactly to write = into the codeflash and/or dataflash via software? Apparently the Mailstat= ion can do it, so I'm only left to assume one can either use the routines = already there, or someone has possibly figured out how to do it from scrat= ch. - How is a codeflash update triggered from the parallel port? - How= does the port "P2C =3D printer data direction" work? And related to that= : once set as inputs, does one still need to write 1's to the data port i= n order to read from it properly? - Did we ever find out if there was a de= vice 6? There seems to be a pin for it on the processor pinout list. If = nothing's attached, it could be kind of useful for adding ones own hardwar= e. Assuming one could even solder to the tiny pins on the board! I th= ought I had more questions, but they seem to have escaped me at the moment= . But this is enough for now! From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26273 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2007 18:15:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2007 18:15:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mu-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.134.191) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2007 18:15:02 -0000 Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id w8so1070800mue for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:14:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=hLxerNeweuvS3AYoTLwL7gtG/n5tPDLQ4zD7f7odU6kFVsDBXOWxRlmTM5DQKovVm0h8g8p0q4SfWduTexWNOlsdtVgLDA4r8tfrHEH6exZg21fTvZ5Bt5vgR9NiLl2yHiuWApcUbTWWItcueiQWyVLQ2nhtt7/xKHUqAFb00+U= Received: by 10.82.162.14 with SMTP id k14mr2925568bue.1185559499425; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:04:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.171.9 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:04:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 11:04:59 -0700 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: dcdb71548c5c1b46 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Misc Questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=lK3xWf9emXcEkY9KZp1LrKx9gQl0ki875HgUJUABVPYFtNlwWw X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 138 Lines: 5 Usually on devices like this I believe power-off is what triggers NMI. This gives a small window to prepare for loss of power. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1707 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2007 18:22:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2007 18:22:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.216) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2007 18:22:11 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n33.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2007 18:20:24 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2007 18:20:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2007 18:20:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:20:23 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: Hex Editor Usage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=F5_Jql0IhGF8Z3KGkkpd6U-xxrkDRSFXHJK214nHAe3T_Wre6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 348 Lines: 19 IIRC, one memory map I saw shows an 8K (or 16K?) page which is empty - coul= d take a Basic interpreter. Neil --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Cyr= ano Jones" wrote: > > > Do we know how much of the d= ataflash can be used for our own > > purposes? > > I think dataflash pa= ges 0 thru 7 are available for apps. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14639 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2007 19:02:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2007 19:02:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.209) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2007 19:02:29 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n31.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2007 19:02:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2007 19:02:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2007 19:02:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:02:13 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: Misc Questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=6DAPzq4HKCrZ1nQUJj172POlNnx_gG_myHUc7A0FWWFgbqOyMA X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 492 Lines: 22 My take on this is that there must be a pin which puts the port into a quas= i serial I/O mode, and this is how the device is reflashed. Neil --- In m= ailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" wrote: > - How is = a codeflash update triggered from the parallel port? > > - How does the po= rt "P2C =3D printer data direction" work? And related > to that: once se= t as inputs, does one still need to write 1's to the > data port in order = to read from it properly? From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 67834 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2007 19:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2007 19:47:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.241) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2007 19:47:05 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n26.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2007 19:44:49 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.83] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2007 19:44:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t7.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2007 19:44:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:44:48 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Hex Editor Usage X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=K-_gysEylJqRlDTVZFsVDNhvwHw8IRjful_XG2X5ICBqf3Io0FXWid-Xyg X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1108 Lines: 42 > > Pages 8 thru 63 of the dataflash are used by the mailstation > > code,= for storing email, settings, etc. > > > > I think you've just answered a= question I had. When perusing the I- > Appliance board when I first got b= ack into this, I found the very > useful ports list for the MS, which list= ed the codeflash as having 64 > pages, and the dataflash as 32 pages. In = another post, I found > somebody pointing out that the smaller chip had le= ss possible write > cycles than the larger one, which didn't make any sens= e to use it as > the dataflash since it was the one getting written to all= the time. > You seem to be confirming that the smaller 512KB chip is ind= eed > codeflash, with the larger 1MB chip being dataflash. Correct? No, = I was just typing when I should have been sleeping (or maybe I *was* asleep= ???). Make that "pages 8 thru 31 of the dataflash are used by the mailstat= ion..." The codeflash is 64 16k pages, and the dataflash 32 16k pages. Th= e dataflash is eraseable in 256 byte sectors, while the codeflash is erased= in 64K byte sectors. --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic1979@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79361 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2007 01:49:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2007 01:49:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.216) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2007 01:49:00 -0000 Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n33.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2007 01:48:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2007 01:48:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jul 2007 01:48:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 01:48:56 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 From: "Jeff" Subject: Re: Misc Questions X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102236512; y=lh9jCFS64MaRbvKEXjPXSYVPr0na0JK1ZFo_RYxE1h5ZVA8AMF1_6_o X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 1721 Lines: 59 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" wrote: > > = > - Do we know how exactly to write into the codeflash and/or dataflash = > via software? Apparently the Mailstation can do it, so I'm only left >= to assume one can either use the routines already there, or someone > has= possibly figured out how to do it from scratch. > I'm going to answer= my own question with a bit of a "duh", because I forgot that most modern = Flash memory can be programmed in-system with series of standard read/writ= e command sequences. I normally do all the ones I work with in a programm= er, though I remembered this helpful little fact while reading over a data= sheet for a different eeprom, which prompted me to look at the sheet for t= he Mailstation's dataflash (28SF040). It appears even simpler to do than = some. Only tricky part is that you'd have to write to the appropriate Ma= ilstation port to change the dataflash page (in whichever device slot you = were using) to set the upper address pins (A14-18), then separately set A0= -13 to the lower dataflash address during a normal read/write z80 command,= while making sure to still set A14-15 from there appropriately to make su= re you were writing to the correct 16k Mailstation slot (aka to the eeprom= ). Only difference I see from a quick glance at the codeflash is that it = has some longer command sequences, and of course a different sector size. = Anyhoo, as I said, that may be a bit of a "duh" to many folks I'm sure, b= ut maybe it'll be useful info to somebody else. Obviously one shouldn't s= till need the MS's flash writing routines if you were going to totally rep= lace its data/codeflash. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ethan.dicks@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6244 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2007 02:44:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.72) by m39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2007 02:44:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.247) by mta14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2007 02:44:13 -0000 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c8so271814ana for ; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 19:43:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=rw8YysncQh5DtpNqVcPhp6XDaPTxwavRkA5+XQrT9Ni8KaSHFsysj1G+UlvTkCcmXTWDom+TxB1Jo1LQpkkl0Ay5Nlda4TZ791pOGBsOejRAk9Ej5Unm9w8HJd1Z8EHi+U53bUvCmQiGqp+5wdZ6hARJ04B9fGNnutOcH6nptmY= Received: by 10.100.94.3 with SMTP id r3mr4376960anb.1185763431234; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 19:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.168.12 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 19:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 21:43:51 -0500 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Ethan Dicks" Subject: What's a good price for a mailstation? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=244603944; y=Myg1AH10OGsbFNLieZKqGNnux0fdgDKwa9ZsAZDStDRlQJ8 X-Yahoo-Profile: erd_6502 Status: RO Content-Length: 291 Lines: 12 Hi, all, I spotted a working mailstation in a thrift store the other day for $10 but didn't buy it. From inspecting it, it looks like it was last used in 2002, from the weather/TV listings in the Flash. So how does $10 sound? About right? Really cheap? Way too much? Thanks, -ethan From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 73996 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2007 16:54:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2007 16:54:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (208.186.161.99) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2007 16:54:34 -0000 Received: from computer1 (computer1.handypage5.net [192.168.101.21]) by www.handypage.net (8.13.6/8.13.6/netmax) with SMTP id l6UGqBfX031432 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:52:12 -0700 To: Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:50:14 -0700 Message-ID: <001801c7d2c9$b41f7b50$1565a8c0@computer1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C7D28F.07C0A350" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/3820/Mon Jul 30 05:13:24 2007 on www.handypage.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "wayne" Reply-To: Subject: RE: [mailstation] What's a good price for a mailstation? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=1f5u8lIPybyvuryC4SDLUwc3zTek3aGkG1jCwJM3D-1EuOhxja3Qmw X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 2955 Lines: 104 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C7D28F.07C0A350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Which model ??? Wayne Iwireless -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Ethan Dicks Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 7:44 PM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: [mailstation] What's a good price for a mailstation? Hi, all, I spotted a working mailstation in a thrift store the other day for $10 but didn't buy it. From inspecting it, it looks like it was last used in 2002, from the weather/TV listings in the Flash. So how does $10 sound? About right? Really cheap? Way too much? 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          Hi, all,

          I spotted a working mailstation in a = thrift store the other day for
          $10 but didn't buy it. From inspecting= it, it looks like it was last
          used in 2002, from the weather/TV list= ings in the Flash.

          So how does $10 sound? About right? Really che= ap? Way too much?

          Thanks,

          -ethan

          ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C7D28F.07C0A350-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ethan.dicks@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 54284 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2007 17:20:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2007 17:20:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.245) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2007 17:20:29 -0000 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c34so291893anc for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:20:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jgw1Fu0gytIHRwNQ5y9+B1rS4C4EWEXYHkGFcAl1aKnPjbqVGBO9Dwd065Y8e7Fu/55ma8e4Pk0SQC6hhGQ/mrAg5xqa9sesjRjcEB0Fjkf4iHAj1G5++2QLPwTsUXSHd6aWbSdJlmQkQ9whNb9s7rN8WlaNj2+G4UNyOKudEbI= Received: by 10.100.123.9 with SMTP id v9mr4754464anc.1185816027811; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:20:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.168.12 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:20:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:20:27 -0500 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <001801c7d2c9$b41f7b50$1565a8c0@computer1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <001801c7d2c9$b41f7b50$1565a8c0@computer1> X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Ethan Dicks" Subject: Re: [mailstation] What's a good price for a mailstation? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=244603944; y=E9qQTTiQ0Mum4VxHL4VcDda-HDm8hoq-OKiJRKrqHwAFyW0 X-Yahoo-Profile: erd_6502 Status: RO Content-Length: 104 Lines: 9 On 7/30/07, wayne wrote: > > > Which model ??? DET1 or something close to that. -ethan From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49495 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2007 17:31:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.68) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2007 17:31:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (208.186.161.99) by mta11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2007 17:31:04 -0000 Received: from computer1 (computer1.handypage5.net [192.168.101.21]) by www.handypage.net (8.13.6/8.13.6/netmax) with SMTP id l6UHW37v011079 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:32:03 -0700 To: Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:30:05 -0700 Message-ID: <002101c7d2cf$450d20e0$1565a8c0@computer1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01C7D294.98AE48E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/3820/Mon Jul 30 05:13:24 2007 on www.handypage.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "wayne" Reply-To: Subject: RE: [mailstation] What's a good price for a mailstation? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=31AdIsZXAoYesjDA4Yw2cUX2nM6Xnbr7HwvUHEGZGkJf_FIM0ZavxQ X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 2362 Lines: 88 ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C7D294.98AE48E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit $10 is a good price !! Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Ethan Dicks Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 10:20 AM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mailstation] What's a good price for a mailstation? On 7/30/07, wayne wrote: > > > Which model ??? DET1 or something close to that. -ethan ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C7D294.98AE48E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= /HEAD>
          $10 is a good pri= ce !!
          Wayne
           
           
           
          -----Or= iginal Message-----
          From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:= mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Ethan Dicks
          Sent:<= /B> Monday, July 30, 2007 10:20 AM
          To: mailstation@yahoogroups= .com
          Subject: Re: [mailstation] What's a good price for a mail= station?

          On 7/30/07, wayne= <waynem@handypage.net= > wrote:
          >
          >
          > Which model ???

          DET1 or s= omething close to that.

          -ethan

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Mailstation > won't do webmail.= Where are you? > > Neil > I'm in Alberta, Canada. His house has dial-up = access to the internet, and I have the number and login information which I= 've already programmed into the Mailstation. I just need an email account = it can access. Thanks for answering so quickly! KJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=KXoX0Z-S7sY6dsWY-VKClsglzTjtD2m3NuH4PEHPWTwApaC6J_HSReiuqA X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1742 Lines: 69 > I got a Mailstation recently for my mentally-handicapped brother, > but = Earthlink won't set up a new mailbox for it. While googling for [mailstat= ion hack] or something like that a few weeks back, I saw a rumor on anothe= r board that earthink is no longer setting up new mailstation accounts, but= for now were still setting up replacement units for existing customers. = I guess the rumor is true! I don't think there has been any acknowledgm= ent of mailstation service on earthlinks site for several years now. > I = learned how to get in to change the email provider's address > from Earthl= ink, so I got a Bluebottle account, but the Mailstation > can't receive it= . I'm guessing it's something to do with the anti-spam > protocols, It = is possible you won't be able to send any mail (if they are using the "smtp= auth" protocol (??? I think that is what it is called). But you should b= e able to pop your incoming mail. I checked www.bluebottle.com, but I coul= d not tell if they require the "auth" protocol. A lot of isp's do require = it these days. I don't know if the mailstation will work with bluebottle, = but according to the site the FREE account allows pop3 access. One thing t= hat is kinda scary is the "Latest News" on their homepage is dated August 2= 007!!! Are they still in business??? :-) Also, I noticed that the smtp = server is listed as down, since Sunday. Maybe that's your only problem???= (The service status is at bottom of the help page.) Both the pop3 and smt= p servers are named mail.bluebottle.com , did you set them? Did you set a = valid DNS server address? If you post the settings you are using, someone = might have better suggestions to try. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: kjoanne403@... 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=312143901; y=Tv1JzMiFjw7RZnVjHkIk3q3BsYqXSpWNiCBRG1Fpc4KC_H0DOw X-Yahoo-Profile: kjoanne403 Status: RO Content-Length: 6526 Lines: 92 --0-986469537-1206548616=:84715 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ----- Original Message ---- From: Cyrano Jones To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 1:31:56 AM Subject: [mailstation] Re: Help! > I got a Mailstation recently for my mentally-handicappe d brother, > but Earthlink won't set up a new mailbox for it. While googling for [mailstation hack] or something like that a few weeks back, I saw a rumor on another board that earthink is no longer setting up new mailstation accounts, but for now were still setting up replacement units for existing customers. I guess the rumor is true! -Oh, believe me, it's true!!! I don't think there has been any acknowledgment of mailstation service on earthlinks site for several years now. > I learned how to get in to change the email provider's address > from Earthlink, so I got a Bluebottle account, but the Mailstation > can't receive it. I'm guessing it's something to do with the anti-spam > protocols, It is possible you won't be able to send any mail (if they are using the "smtp auth" protocol (??? I think that is what it is called). But you should be able to pop your incoming mail. -That's what I thought, but the Mailstation couldn't access the bluebottle site. Maybe it tries to send first? I checked www.bluebottle. com, but I could not tell if they require the "auth" protocol. A lot of isp's do require it these days. -I know. I don't know if the mailstation will work with bluebottle, but according to the site the FREE account allows pop3 access. One thing that is kinda scary is the "Latest News" on their homepage is dated August 2007!!! Are they still in business??? :-) -They are; I sent them a question yesterday and got an answer the same day. (It wasn't helpful, but it was an answer. . . ) I was looking specifically for POP email accounts, so I know it does allow access. Also, I noticed that the smtp server is listed as down, since Sunday. Maybe that's your only problem??? (The service status is at bottom of the help page.) -Thanks for letting me know; but I was testing the Mailstation on Friday, so that shouldn't have been the issue. Both the pop3 and smtp servers are named mail.bluebottle. com , did you set them? Did you set a valid DNS server address? -I definitely set the servers, and I set them correctly because I tested the same settings on my computer using Outlook Express. I don't think I set the DNS because I don't know where to find that address. If you post the settings you are using, someone might have better suggestions to try. -Thanks, I'll do that. I don't have them with me right now but I'll post them tonight. KJ -- CJ __________________________________________________________________ Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/newmail/overview2/ --0-986469537-1206548616=:84715 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii


          ----- Original Message ----
          From: Cyrano Jones
          To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 1:31:56 AM
          Subject: [mailstation] Re: Help!

          > I got a Mailstation recently for my mentally-handicappe d brother,
          > but Earthlink won't set up a new mailbox for it.

          While googling for [mailstation hack] or something like that
          a few weeks back, I saw a rumor on another board that
          earthink is no longer setting up new mailstation accounts,
          but for now were still setting up replacement units for
          existing customers.

          I guess the rumor is true!

          -Oh, believe me, it's true!!!

          I don't think there has been any acknowledgment of mailstation
          service on earthlinks site for several years now.

          > I learned how to get in to change the email provider's address
          > from Earthlink, so I got a Bluebottle account, but the Mailstation
          > can't receive it. I'm guessing it's something to do with the anti-spam
          > protocols,

          It is possible you won't be able to send any mail (if they
          are using the "smtp auth" protocol (??? I think that is what
          it is called). But you should be able to pop your incoming mail.

          -That's what I thought, but the Mailstation couldn't access the bluebottle site.  Maybe it tries to send first?

          I checked www.bluebottle. com, but I could not tell if they
          require the "auth" protocol. A lot of isp's do require it
          these days.

          -I know.

          I don't know if the mailstation will work with bluebottle,
          but according to the site the FREE account allows pop3
          access. One thing that is kinda scary is the "Latest News"
          on their homepage is dated August 2007!!! Are they still
          in business??? :-)

          -They are; I sent them a question yesterday and got an answer the same day.  (It wasn't helpful, but it was an answer. . . )  I was looking specifically for POP email accounts, so I know it does allow access.

          Also, I noticed that the smtp server is listed as down,
          since Sunday. Maybe that's your only problem???
          (The service status is at bottom of the help page.)

          -Thanks for letting me know; but I was testing the Mailstation on Friday, so that shouldn't have been the issue.

          Both the pop3 and smtp servers are named mail.bluebottle. com ,
          did you set them? Did you set a valid DNS server address?

          -I definitely set the servers, and I set them correctly because I tested the same settings on my computer using Outlook Express.  I don't think I  set the DNS because I don't know where to find that address.

          If you post the settings you are using, someone might
          have better suggestions to try.

          -Thanks, I'll do that.  I don't have them with me right now but I'll post them tonight.

          KJ

          --
          CJ



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X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31207 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2008 19:19:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2008 19:19:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n51b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.165) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2008 19:19:35 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n51.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2008 19:19:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.3] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2008 19:19:35 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t3.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2008 19:19:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:19:32 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: Help! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=tECRunj5JH9Qau22IZKQsa90HkUZcHBqJHi9xju3GeIcqIExqw X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 554 Lines: 24 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "kjoanne403" wrote: >= I'm in Alberta, Canada. His house has dial-up access to the internet, > a= nd I have the number and login information which I've already > programmed = into the Mailstation. I just need an email account it can > access. Thank= s for answering so quickly! If he is using Telus he gets a free POP mail a= ccount. I've used the Mailstation on Telus - worked fine. You could use Gm= ail also I suspect - also free, and if needed you could maintain it via the= web. Neil From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: andlaventure@... 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X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 169 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2008 13:55:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2008 13:55:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n53a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.147) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2008 13:55:57 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n53.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2008 13:55:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2008 13:55:57 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.48] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2008 13:55:57 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 13:55:56 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006701c86d1a$ae8fb510$1565a8c0@MAINCPU> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Patrick Forbes" Subject: Re: Mailstation 5 months off line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115733964; y=mgNcGAP2X3-97TUcqc_IHDdAQe8GWHP7XGwdHQyAuEuN5g X-Yahoo-Profile: forbesp Status: RO Content-Length: 3642 Lines: 133 An update: Finally managed to fly my mum up here for a visit. Had her bring= both MailStations with her. Found it's telco dial out number was wrong. F= ound the old 800 number in my original setup records (800-520-3236) was st= ill active. Earthlink web tool said account "inactive". 3 hours on the pho= ne with about a dozen attempts got account turned back on despite those in= competent fools in India and MailStation resumed operation. That was all th= at was wrong with her original unit. Seem to remember that Earthlink Serve= r could reprogram the dial out number to a local access point based upon C= all Display technology. It skips the Area Code part, though which is being= required in more and more areas. When my mum goes back South, I expect the= server will change the 800 number to a local 7 digit number. Then, when s= he goes back north to Maine in a month or two, that dial up number will be= met with "The number you have dialed...." to which the Mailstation cannot = respond. At each new location she plugs her machine into, she needs to put= the 800 number back in to get 'On Line' again. Anyone have an actual addr= ess, telephone number and a bigwig's name of Earthlink's HQ wherever it is= ? I need compensation for these many months of no service, grief and frust= ration at the hands of those imbeciles they insist on calling agents. ---= In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "wayne markis" wrote: > > You= have to remember that the Earthlink call center is in INDIA, and so are > = the first level > techs and call takers. Most of these do not have the exp= ertise to call your > relative > and walk them through what is needed to se= t this up. > > Best thing to do is get the unit back at your location, fin= d a local or 800 > number that > the unit can call from Toronto, and then c= all Earthlink yourself and walk > them through > it to get it set up. Afte= r YOU have it working to your satisfaction, then > send it back to > Florid= a !!! (Make sure the old unit is NOT hooked up and working during this > ti= me, or it > will mess things up) > > This may be a little more work and ha= ssle, but in the long run you will get > it running to > your satisfaction.= > > You will use the same email address, DSN address from both Toronto an= d > Florida. > Just might temporarily have to use a different dial up numbe= r to set it up > and then > change that number for something that would wor= k from Florida. > All you really need them to do is authorize it for a new = unit serial number. > They will > send a message to the old unit to turn of= f and a message to the new unit to > switch > the serial number address to = your email address. > > Good luck !! > > Wayne > > > -----Original Me= ssage----- > From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoog= roups.com]On > Behalf Of Patrick Forbes > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008= 6:05 PM > To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [mailstation] Mai= lstation 5 months off line > > > I'm hoping to get some assistance. I b= ought my mother a Mailstation 6 some > years ago and it > went dim this s= ummer. I picked up a replacement on eBay and shipped it > down (Florida). I= > can't seem to get Earthlink to call her to 'Walk her' through the > pr= ogramming on the > replacement despite several attempts. > > If this d= oesn't work would hacking it be a viable 'plan B' to put it onto > another = more reliable > and professional ISP. I've a few in mind at this point. >= > Someone here able to help me? I'm in Toronto and the unit is in Flori= da. > > Patrick From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25021 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2008 17:10:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2008 17:10:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.130) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2008 17:10:39 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2008 17:10:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2008 17:10:39 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2008 17:10:39 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 17:10:38 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: Mailstation 5 months off line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=SvyBRLkMH9ZiZXvecum06sZyBt2COdPlznCND-UW1nB-ya7ZnQ X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 380 Lines: 20 IMO it's easier to get one of the 'Yahoo' models which are easy to reprogra= m and use any local dial up ISP. Neil --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com,= "Patrick Forbes" wrote: > > An update: > 3 hours on t= he phone with about a dozen attempts got account turned back on despite > = those incompetent fools in India and MailStation resumed operation. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: patrickforbes@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 38366 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2008 20:07:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2008 20:07:04 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n20b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.134) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2008 20:07:03 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n20.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2008 20:07:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2008 20:07:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2008 20:07:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 20:07:02 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Patrick Forbes" Subject: Re: Mailstation 5 months off line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115733964; y=Qo9VE4pG0YYXvuJAVjh8dYdM9tO58a9LfA7dCZK_B3bJ8w X-Yahoo-Profile: forbesp Status: RO Content-Length: 1301 Lines: 61 I've tried to re-program my 'spare' Mailstation to one of my current Servic= e Providers and can't get it to successfully talk to their server: User N= ame: Patrick Forbes Dial Up Number: 905-571-1638 E-mail address: patrick.fo= rbes@... E-mail Password: xxxxxxx POP3 Server: pophm.sympatico.ca = SMTP Server: smtphm.sympatico.ca ISP Account: xxxxxxxx ISP Password: xxxxxx= xx Primary DNS: ###.###.###.### Is there something strange in the MailSta= tion protocol that is over my head? And over my Service Provider's as well= ? I'm not a code guru but know some who are. Is there something I can do to= my MailStation? Is there something my Service Provider can do to their th= ings that'll make it work? What's "a Yahoo model"? Patrick ps Mom's back= on line in Florida with her original MailStation. --- In mailstation@yaho= ogroups.com, "Neil Morrison" wrote: > > IMO it's easier to = get one of the 'Yahoo' models which are easy to > reprogram and use any loc= al dial up ISP. > > Neil > > --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick= Forbes" > wrote: > > > > An update: > > > 3 hours on the= phone with about a dozen attempts got account turned > back on despite > = > those incompetent fools in India and MailStation resumed operation. > = From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28718 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2008 22:57:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2008 22:57:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0506.google.com) (209.85.198.233) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2008 22:57:23 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so235389rvb.15 for ; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 15:57:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.192.9 with SMTP id p9mr2442261rvf.193.1208041042854; Sat, 12 Apr 2008 15:57:22 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from NewBaby ( [206.116.190.55]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c20sm6963339rvf.3.2008.04.12.15.57.21 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 12 Apr 2008 15:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <007001c89cf0$903fe610$6501a8c0@NewBaby> To: References: Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 15:47:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Mailstation 5 months off line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=ULDnzQXizzn-TcpYiIYPCw8TyxdQu25qQhCfX_iVv8WjbgUCGg X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 1273 Lines: 31 pophm and smtphm? Yeah, that's a giant red flag. I found this message: "I was unwillingly and uninformedly 'migrated' by Sympatico to the pophm and smtphm servers this past week. Got the pophm.sympatico.ca settings working with their information, but the smtphm.sympatico.ca settings required some frustration, learning and experimentation. For me, it turned out that setting the outbound (smtp) server protocol to TLS and using port 587 did the trick. If that helps you, great. If not ... well, good luck". I don't think a mailstation can work with these new type servers - I'd try to find a small local place that uses a Unix/Linux server with a simple login protocol. Tell them you want email only for 5 minutes a day max. and you can't do any funny login protocols. Avoid any big ones ("Free trial only") as they won't work. BTW, not the same subject but see http://www.magicjack.com/ for another way to keep in touch. Even cheaper than email, but you'd need to have it on your system since I assume you don't want your mom on a broadband system. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Forbes I've tried to re-program my 'spare' Mailstation to one of my current Service Providers and can't get it to successfully talk to their server: ... From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: drsteve@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 80442 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2008 11:27:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2008 11:27:00 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.240) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2008 11:27:00 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n26.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2008 11:27:00 -0000 X-Received: from [209.73.164.86] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2008 11:27:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2008 11:27:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:26:59 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "reupholsternow" Subject: Are there alternate uses for the MailStation device? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=247900924; y=mx7tEXBthxP3zBZ57Wv_tqtGNMdQH9zEtgka_dnoj7Rovhna8ZX7agM X-Yahoo-Profile: reupholsternow Status: RO Content-Length: 60 Lines: 5 Is anyone using the Mailstation to perform other tasks? From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: patrickforbes@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47433 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2008 22:25:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2008 22:25:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtpoutm.mac.com) (17.148.16.70) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2008 22:25:16 -0000 X-Received: from mac.com (asmtp006-s [10.150.69.69]) by smtpoutm.mac.com (Xserve/smtpout007/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m3EMPGTS004990; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:25:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from [70.52.132.11] (bas17-toronto12-1177846795.dsl.bell.ca [70.52.132.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/asmtp006/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m3EMPDOO029373; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:25:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1208089280.4593.95029.m46@yahoogroups.com> References: <1208089280.4593.95029.m46@yahoogroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7-123960987 Message-Id: <59D01490-1BD1-4563-B6E1-93A8E799BD04@...> Cc: eilsmorr@... Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:25:11 -0400 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Patrick Forbes Subject: Re: Mailstation 5 months off line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115733964; y=Q38rR2Tj_xO0uSshqH47XH3AcciP73kQ_lqYbS3heGOjZA X-Yahoo-Profile: forbesp Status: RO Content-Length: 9305 Lines: 163 --Apple-Mail-7-123960987 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I saw that, too and I was intrigued. I do remember the moment, a few years ago, when that change occurred. I was quite upset at the time with their lack of notice and poor walk-through process to fix up my Mac's config. "Outbound ..." and "Port...."? I don't know how to deal with that with a MailStation. Must be buried in the 'S' records somewhere...... Will be contacting Sympatico with this info and insist (or try to....) they provide config that accommodates my MailStation..... Wonderful information. Must thank you. You a guru? Patrick Neil Morrison wrote: Date: Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:57 pm ((PDT)) pophm and smtphm? Yeah, that's a giant red flag. I found this message: "I was unwillingly and uninformedly 'migrated' by Sympatico to the pophm and smtphm servers this past week. Got the pophm.sympatico.ca settings working with their information, but the smtphm.sympatico.ca settings required some frustration, learning and experimentation. For me, it turned out that setting the outbound (smtp) server protocol to TLS and using port 587 did the trick. If that helps you, great. If not ... well, good luck". I don't think a mailstation can work with these new type servers - I'd try to find a small local place that uses a Unix/Linux server with a simple login protocol. Tell them you want email only for 5 minutes a day max. and you can't do any funny login protocols. Avoid any big ones ("Free trial only") as they won't work. BTW, not the same subject but see http://www.magicjack.com/ for another way to keep in touch. Even cheaper than email, but you'd need to have it on your system since I assume you don't want your mom on a broadband system. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Forbes I've tried to re-program my 'spare' Mailstation to one of my current Service Providers and can't get it to successfully talk to their server: --Apple-Mail-7-123960987 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
          I saw that, too and I was intrigu= ed. I do remember the moment, a few years ago, when that change occurred. I= was quite upset at the time with their lack of notice and poor walk-throug= h process to fix up my Mac's config.
          "Outbound ..." and "Port....= "? I don't know how to deal with that with a MailStation. Must be=A0buried= =A0in the 'S' records somewhere......
          Will be contacting Sympatic= o with this info and=A0insist=A0(or try to....) they=A0provide=A0config tha= t=A0accommodates=A0my MailStation.....

          Wonderful i= nformation. Must thank you. You a guru?

          Patrick
          Neil Morrison wrote:=

          =A0 =A0 Date: Sat Apr 12,= 2008 3:57 pm ((PDT))

          pophm and smtphm? Yeah, that's a giant red flag. I found this mes= sage:

          "I was= unwillingly and uninformedly 'migrated' by Sympatico to the pophm and=A0
          smtphm serv= ers this past week. Got the pophm.sympatico.ca settings working=A0
          with their inform= ation, but the smtphm.sympatico.ca settings required some=A0
          frustration, learning an= d experimentation. For me, it turned out that=A0
          setting the outbound (smtp) server p= rotocol to TLS and using port 587 did= =A0
          the trick. If that helps you, great. If not = ... well, good luck".

          I don't think a mailstation can work with these new type servers = - I'd try=A0
          to find a small local place that uses a Unix/Linux server with a simpl= e=A0
          login= protocol. Tell them you want email only for 5 minutes a day max. and=A0
          you can't do= any funny login protocols.

          Avoid any big ones ("Free trial only") as they won't work.<= /div>

          BTW, not the= same subject but see http://www.magic= jack.com/ for another way=A0
          to keep in touch. Even cheaper than email, but you'd= need to have it on your=A0
          system since I assume you don't want your mom on a broadb= and system.

          = Neil

          ----- O= riginal Message -----=A0
          =
          From: Patrick Forbes
          <= br>
          I've tried to re-program my 'spare' Mailstation to = one of my current Service=A0
          Providers and
          can't get it to succes= sfully talk to their server:
          --Apple-Mail-7-123960987-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49278 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2008 23:49:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Apr 2008 23:49:57 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO wf-out-1314.google.com) (209.85.200.172) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2008 23:49:57 -0000 X-Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so1748584wfa.17 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:49:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.143.166.18 with SMTP id t18mr2014308wfo.175.1208216996769; Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:49:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from NewBaby ( [206.116.190.55]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm13022298wfi.12.2008.04.14.16.49.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:49:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <012b01c89e8a$3d7b10d0$6501a8c0@NewBaby> To: References: <1208089280.4593.95029.m46@yahoogroups.com> <59D01490-1BD1-4563-B6E1-93A8E799BD04@...> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:44:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Mailstation 5 months off line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=OgIo9IljLF1Fp5TK652CE9ohot6tloKX_M6OKgoxX7y3-vvOpQ X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 773 Lines: 21 Mainly for Unix. BTW, there used to be some community ISPs around which would give you free net access for a small annual fee. Don't know if that applies in your case. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Forbes I saw that, too and I was intrigued. I do remember the moment, a few years ago, when that change occurred. I was quite upset at the time with their lack of notice and poor walk-through process to fix up my Mac's config. "Outbound ..." and "Port...."? I don't know how to deal with that with a MailStation. Must be buried in the 'S' records somewhere...... Will be contacting Sympatico with this info and insist (or try to....) they provide config that accommodates my MailStation..... Wonderful information. Must thank you. You a guru? From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: musicalman77@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57260 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2008 21:56:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2008 21:56:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n52d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.78) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2008 21:56:42 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.216] by n52.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2008 21:56:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t1.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2008 21:56:42 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2008 21:56:42 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 21:56:41 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "musicalman77" Subject: Re: Mailstation 5 months off line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189279481; y=i1QLcyjezraneRDjpFPYRdGk7xAhcMsbxwRz5y9nDj6TJCyD3Ond X-Yahoo-Profile: musicalman77 Status: RO Content-Length: 2403 Lines: 83 Good luck with getting any kind of help out of Earthlink's big-wigs. I thi= nk they are trying hard to wash their hands of MailStation. My mom, also 90= , had a problem with her machine. A friend who use to work computer models= four levels down from the (U.S.) President was there the other day trying = to remedy the trouble. He also spent about 3 hours on the phone with..."th= ose fools in India" (nicely put!) and all to no avail. When pressed for in= formation on repair or replacement, they got rude. So, I tried the online = chat with Earthlink CS. After confirming the persistent rumor that there a= re no NEW MailStation accounts being established, they just kept referring = me to the 800 number (aka "fools in India") and ASSURING me these folks wou= ld help. I kept insisting we'd already tried that, and the argument became= circular and a standoff. So, I asked, "Well, what about repair or replace= ment" (which they have done in the past) and was told, "She can buy a new u= nit on her own." When I said that I understood that accounts were not bein= g transferred to new machines, I was referred to... you guessed it... the f= ools in India. I finally gave up and told her "Thanks for nothing." Mom's= only trouble is that she can no longer send to groups, and any attempt to = access her former groups freezes up the machine and it has to be reset. We= suspect a bad spot in the flash memory. I told her to just live with send= ing individual e-mails or do her group people from individual e-mail (I thi= nk you can do three recipients at a time) and be glad the thing is still wo= rking at all, since she just re-upped for another year on the service. I g= uess if the thing breaks, I'll hook her up with my old WebTV unit (which is= now MSN TV) and hope she can learn to use it. --- In mailstation@yahoogro= ups.com, "Patrick Forbes" wrote: > > An update: > > 3 h= ours on the phone with about a dozen attempts got account turned back on de= spite > those incompetent fools in India and MailStation resumed operation= . That was all that was > wrong with her original unit. > > Anyone have an= actual address, telephone number and a bigwig's name of Earthlink's HQ > = wherever it is? I need compensation for these many months of no service, gr= ief and > frustration at the hands of those imbeciles they insist on calli= ng agents. > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: musicalman77@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76320 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2008 22:09:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2008 22:09:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n24b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.235) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2008 22:09:20 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n24.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2008 22:09:20 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2008 22:09:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.195] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2008 22:09:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:09:19 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "musicalman77" Subject: Any Ideas about this problem? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189279481; y=SZt9hGf-LnWk3AFi19fRVVzbtZt3a0SVV5gkMJY2026UgGKqAds2 X-Yahoo-Profile: musicalman77 Status: RO Content-Length: 2235 Lines: 71 I posted in part about this in the reply to Patrick, but would like your id= eas on any way to fix this problem (and like him, I'm in OK and the machine= is in OH, but I may visit there mid-summer). When I was visiting in Decem= ber, I took the machine over to a friend's house because she had an old par= allel-port printer. I wanted to print out Mom's address book for two reaso= ns: 1) a planned e-mail announcement by my sister to Mom's friends for her = 90th birthday card shower, and 2) paper backup in case her machine ever got= wiped, as it did once before. (You'd THINK they'd have a way to back up t= he address book to the associated EarthLink webmail account, but that'd be = far too easy...) Mom's only trouble is that she can no longer send to gr= oups, and any attempt to access her former groups freezes up the machine an= d it has to be reset. We suspect a bad spot in the flash memory. I told her= to just live with sending individual e-mails or do her group people from i= ndividual e-mail (I think you can do three recipients at a time) and be gla= d the thing is still working at all, since she just re-upped for another ye= ar on the service. Well, in the course of printing out the address book, t= his idiot friend ignored my advice and tried to stuff more paper in the pri= nter during the print job, jamming it. I got it restarted, but this may ha= ve glitched something in the MailStation, because once I got it back to Mom= 's, one of her groups stopped working and would freeze the machine. We sus= pect a problem in the flash memory, like when you pull your jump drive out = of the USB port as it's being accessed. I was leaving that day and didn't = have time to mess with it. So, so she has had two people look at it since = - a young computer geek and an old-time computer guru, and trying to fix it= for her. The young guy had limited time but agreed with the "flash memory= " diagnosis. The old guy spent hours, alone, and on the phone with India, = trying to fix the problem. Now, apparently NONE of the groups are working = at all and they cannot set up any new mail groups. Anybody have any ideas = what's wrong or how to fix it without the Indians being involved? Thanks. = From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: gizmo66@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95195 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2008 22:26:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2008 22:26:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mta4.prod1.dngr.net) (216.220.209.223) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2008 22:26:20 -0000 X-Received: from prod.danger.com (unknown [10.253.33.100]) by px02.prod1.dngr.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCE5271C439 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:26:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from [10.253.33.100] (HELO localhost.localdomain) by mfe6.prod.danger.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.8) with ESMTP id 1100813704 for mailstation@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:26:20 -0700 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:26:08 -0700 X-Mailer: Danger Service X-Danger-Send-Id: AAByv0gKcYwAAYbU Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 References: Message-Id: <1208643980.FAC0D59@...> X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 X-eGroups-From: Marcus Herrera From: Marcus Herrera Reply-To: Marcus Herrera Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Mailstation 5 months off line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=329676566; y=ApxQm80Cas8ADsFUO6AwI7YEDQq5rb9DcweoBt0rfZxgNxM X-Yahoo-Profile: djgizmo1 Status: RO Content-Length: 460 Lines: 9 Talk about dealing those people. I was doing a system board replacement. I called and was transfered to them. I was getting upset because I couldn't understand what they were saying. They could understand my name, asked me to spell it out several times. Getting it wrong. I ended hanging up on them and call back hoping on getting a different person. Man how can't you not understand the name "marcus". Off shore call centers sucks!!! gizmo on sidekick From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: patrickforbes@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99670 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2008 17:32:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2008 17:32:21 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtpoutm.mac.com) (17.148.16.69) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2008 17:32:21 -0000 X-Received: from mac.com (asmtp002-s [10.150.69.65]) by smtpoutm.mac.com (Xserve/smtpout006/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m3KHW0R3025736; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:32:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from [70.50.143.85] (bas17-toronto12-1177718613.dsl.bell.ca [70.50.143.85]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/asmtp002/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m3KHVi8Q020097; Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:31:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1208689084.3282.51093.m46@yahoogroups.com> References: <1208689084.3282.51093.m46@yahoogroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-624750527 Message-Id: <2C030829-61D9-4671-A191-2432F337AEDF@...> Cc: musicalman77@..., djgizmo1@... Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:31:40 -0400 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Patrick Forbes Subject: Re: Any Ideas about this problem? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115733964; y=uogz-f4PIdPOFEHamEmyIXDjxG2ncYChabRJdX8pxUJTVA X-Yahoo-Profile: forbesp Status: RO Content-Length: 31170 Lines: 489 --Apple-Mail-1-624750527 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Don't waste any more of your time with Earthlink. Attention (Product Life) spans are too short. No company wants to seriously support anything more than five (5) years old, nowadays. We're pretty much on our own here. I just learned Cidco, who made the thing, filed for bankruptcy this past January. My calls and faxes to them for their engineering assistance went unanswered and I expect the letter I posted to them a week ago will be coming back soon, too. Regardless of your choices, chances you will lose all programmed data are pretty great. Please write down ALL programming information. Start with 'Extras', 'Settings' then 'Details' and ensure you've no typos. You will most certainly be asked to "Create New User" where you'll need to type it all in just as you saw it: User Name: Dial Up Number: E-mail address: E-mail Password: POP3 Server: SMTP Server: ISP Account: ISP Password: Primary DNS: I photocopied all the screens and filed the copies for posterity. Six years later I needed them! Press FN, Shift and T with one hand and stick a pin in the Reset hole in the back. The Diagnostic Menu will appear. Press the 3 for the F/A Tester. The five grey keys aren't operational. Select the test of your choice. Start with Fast Test. When it's done press the Reset again to get back to the Diag.... screen. Press Q to return the machine to operational status If anyone else has additional tricks to share along this line, please don't be shy. I have a working machine I can experiment with at will. Verizon ($8.95/m), Look ($4.95/m), BasicISP and Mid-Maine have all said they 'may' be able to provide service. I'm waiting for more info from them to set up a trial with each on my machine. More later..... Please consider the environment before printing this email note. Patrick musicalman77" musicalman77@... musicalman77 Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:56 pm ((PDT)) Good luck with getting any kind of help out of Earthlink's big-wigs. I think they are trying hard to wash their hands of MailStation. My mom, also 90, had a problem with her machine. A friend who use to work computer models four levels down from the (U.S.) President was there the other day trying to remedy the trouble. He also spent about 3 hours on the phone with..."those fools in India" (nicely put!) and all to no avail. When pressed for information on repair or replacement, they got rude. So, I tried the online chat with Earthlink CS. After confirming the persistent rumor that there are no NEW MailStation accounts being established, they just kept referring me to the 800 number (aka "fools in India") and ASSURING me these folks would help. I kept insisting we'd already tried that, and the argument became circular and a standoff. So, I asked, "Well, what about repair or replacement" (which they have done in the past) and was told, "She can buy a new unit on her own." When I said that I understood that accounts were not being transferred to new machines, I was referred to... you guessed it... the fools in India. I finally gave up and told her "Thanks for nothing." Mom's only trouble is that she can no longer send to groups, and any attempt to access her former groups freezes up the machine and it has to be reset. We suspect a bad spot in the flash memory. I told her to just live with sending individual e-mails or do her group people from individual e-mail (I think you can do three recipients at a time) and be glad the thing is still working at all, since she just re-upped for another year on the service. I guess if the thing breaks, I'll hook her up with my old WebTV unit (which is now MSN TV) and hope she can learn to use it. --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Forbes" wrote: > > An update: > > 3 hours on the phone with about a dozen attempts got account turned back on despite > those incompetent fools in India and MailStation resumed operation. That was all that was > wrong with her original unit. > > Anyone have an actual address, telephone number and a bigwig's name of Earthlink's HQ > wherever it is? I need compensation for these many months of no service, grief and > frustration at the hands of those imbeciles they insist on calling agents. > Messages in this topic (10) ________________________________________________________________________ 1b. Re: Mailstation 5 months off line Posted by: "Marcus Herrera" djgizmo1@... djgizmo1 Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:26 pm ((PDT)) Talk about dealing those people. I was doing a system board replacement. I called and was transfered to them. I was getting upset because I couldn't understand what they were saying. They could understand my name, asked me to spell it out several times. Getting it wrong. I ended hanging up on them and call back hoping on getting a different person. Man how can't you not understand the name "marcus". Off shore call centers sucks!!! gizmo on sidekick Messages in this topic (10) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ 2. Any Ideas about this problem? Posted by: "musicalman77" musicalman77@... musicalman77 Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:09 pm ((PDT)) I posted in part about this in the reply to Patrick, but would like your ideas on any way to fix this problem (and like him, I'm in OK and the machine is in OH, but I may visit there mid-summer). When I was visiting in December, I took the machine over to a friend's house because she had an old parallel-port printer. I wanted to print out Mom's address book for two reasons: 1) a planned e-mail announcement by my sister to Mom's friends for her 90th birthday card shower, and 2) paper backup in case her machine ever got wiped, as it did once before. (You'd THINK they'd have a way to back up the address book to the associated EarthLink webmail account, but that'd be far too easy...) Mom's only trouble is that she can no longer send to groups, and any attempt to access her former groups freezes up the machine and it has to be reset. We suspect a bad spot in the flash memory. I told her to just live with sending individual e-mails or do her group people from individual e-mail (I think you can do three recipients at a time) and be glad the thing is still working at all, since she just re-upped for another year on the service. Well, in the course of printing out the address book, this idiot friend ignored my advice and tried to stuff more paper in the printer during the print job, jamming it. I got it restarted, but this may have glitched something in the MailStation, because once I got it back to Mom's, one of her groups stopped working and would freeze the machine. We suspect a problem in the flash memory, like when you pull your jump drive out of the USB port as it's being accessed. I was leaving that day and didn't have time to mess with it. So, so she has had two people look at it since - a young computer geek and an old-time computer guru, and trying to fix it for her. The young guy had limited time but agreed with the "flash memory" diagnosis. The old guy spent hours, alone, and on the phone with India, trying to fix the problem. Now, apparently NONE of the groups are working at all and they cannot set up any new mail groups. Anybody have any ideas what's wrong or how to fix it without the Indians being involved? Thanks. --Apple-Mail-1-624750527 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Don't waste any more of your time with= Earthlink. Attention (Product Life) spans are too short. No company wants = to seriously=A0support=A0anything more than five (5) years old, nowadays. W= e're pretty much on our own here. I just learned Cidco, who made the thing,= filed for bankruptcy this past January. My calls and faxes to them for the= ir engineering assistance went unanswered and I expect the letter I posted = to them a week ago will be coming back soon, too.

          Regard= less of your choices, chances you will lose all programmed data are pretty = great. Please write down ALL programming information. Start with 'Extras', = 'Settings' then 'Details' and ensure you've no=A0typos. You will most certa= inly be asked to "Create New User" where you'll need to type it all in just= as you saw it:

          User Name:=A0
          Dial = Up Number:=A0
          E-mail address:=A0
          E-mail Password:=A0
          POP3 Server:=A0
          SMTP Server:=A0
          ISP Account:=A0=
          ISP Password: =A0
          Primary DNS:
          =A0
          I photocopied all the screens and filed the copies for posterity. Six year= s later I needed them!

          Press FN, Shift and T with = one hand and stick a pin in the Reset hole in the back. The Diagnostic Menu= will appear.

          Press the 3 for the F/A Tester. The five g= rey keys aren't operational. Select the test of your choice. Start with Fas= t Test. When it's done press the Reset again to get back to the Diag.... sc= reen. Press Q to return the machine to operational status

          If anyone else has=A0additional=A0tricks to share along this line, = please don't be shy. I have a working machine I can experiment with at will= .

          Verizon ($8.95/m), Look ($4.95/m), BasicISP and = Mid-Maine have all said they 'may' be able to provide service. I'm waiting = for more info from them to set up a trial with each on my machine.

          More later.....
          <= div>

          Please consider the enviro= nment before printing this email note.

          Patrick

          musicalman7= 7" musicalman77@... mus= icalman77
          =A0 =A0 Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:56 pm ((PDT))

          Good luck with = getting any kind of help out of Earthlink's big-wigs.=A0
          I think they are trying hard= to wash their hands of MailStation. My
          mom, also 90, h= ad a problem with her machine.=A0 A friend who use to
          work computer models four level= s down from the (U.S.) President was
          there the other da= y trying to remedy the trouble.=A0 He also spent about
          3 hours on the phone with..."t= hose fools in India" (nicely put!) and
          all to no avail.= =A0 When pressed for informati= on on repair or
          replacement, they got rude.

          So, I tried the online = chat with Earthlink CS.=A0 Aft= er confirming the
          persistent rumor that there are no NE= W MailStation accounts being
          established, they just kep= t referring me to the 800 number (aka "fools
          in India")= and ASSURING me these folks would help.=A0 I kept insisting
          we'd already tried that,= and the argument became circular and a
          standoff.=A0 So, I asked, "Well, what about r= epair or replacement"
          (which they have done in the past= ) and was told, "She can buy a new
          unit on her own."=A0 When I said that I understood= that accounts were
          not being transferred to new machin= es, I was referred to... you
          guessed it... the fools in= India.=A0 I finally gave up a= nd told her
          "Thanks for nothing."

          Mom's only trouble is that she ca= n no longer send to groups, and any
          attempt to access h= er former groups freezes up the machine and it has
          to b= e reset.=A0 We suspect a bad s= pot in the flash memory.=A0 I = told her
          to just live with sending individual e-mails o= r do her group people
          from individual e-mail (I think y= ou can do three recipients at a time)
          and be glad the t= hing is still working at all, since she just re-upped
          f= or another year on the service.

          <= /div>
          I guess if the thing breaks, I'll hook her up with my o= ld WebTV unit
          (which is now MSN TV) and hope she can le= arn to use it.

          --- In mailstation@yaho= ogroups.com, "Patrick Forbes"
          wrote:
          <= br>
          An update:
          3 hours on the phone with about a dozen attempts got= account turned
          back on despite=A0
          those incompetent fools in India and MailStation resumed operati= on.
          That was all that was=A0
          wrong with her original unit.
          Anyone have an actual address, telephone number and = a bigwig's name
          of Earthlink's HQ=A0
          wherever it is? I need compensation for these many months of n= o
          service, grief and=A0
          = frustration at the hands of those imbeciles they insist on calling
          agents.




          Messages in this topic (10)
          =
          ____________________________________________________________= ____________
          1b. Re: Mailstation 5 months off line
          =A0 =A0 Posted= by: "Marcus Herrera" djgizmo1@yahoo.= com djgizmo1
          = =A0 =A0 Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:26 pm ((PDT))

          Talk about dealing those people. = I was doing a system board replacement.=A0
          I called and was transfered to them. I was= getting upset because I=A0
          couldn't understand what they were saying. They could und= erstand my=A0
          name, asked me to spell it out several times. Getting it wrong. I ende= d=A0
          hangi= ng up on them and call back hoping on getting a different person.=A0
          Man how can't yo= u not understand the name "marcus". Off shore call=A0
          centers sucks!!!
          gizmo on sidekick


          Messages in this top= ic (10)
          _______________________________________________= _________________________
          _____________________________= ___________________________________________
          2. Any Idea= s about this problem?
          =A0 =A0 Posted by: "musicalman77" musicalman77@... musicalman77
          =A0 =A0 Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3= :09 pm ((PDT))

          I posted in part about this in the reply to Patrick, but would like
          your ideas on any way to fix this problem (and like him, = I'm in OK and
          the machine is in OH, but I may visit the= re mid-summer).

          When I was visiting in December, I took the machine over to a friend's=
          house because she had an old parallel-port printer.=A0 I wanted to print
          out Mom's address book for two reasons: 1) a planned e-mail
          <= div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin= -left: 0px; ">announcement by my sister to Mom's friends for her 90th birth= day card
          shower, and 2) paper backup in case her machin= e ever got wiped, as it
          did once before.=A0 (You'd THINK they'd have a way to back up= the
          address book to the associated EarthLink webmail a= ccount, but that'd
          be far too easy...)

          Mom's only trouble is that = she can no longer send to groups, and any
          attempt to ac= cess her former groups freezes up the machine and it has
          to just live with sending individual e-mails or do her group = people
          from individual e-mail (I think you can do three= recipients at a time)
          and be glad the thing is still w= orking at all, since she just re-upped
          for another year= on the service.

          Well, in the course of printing out the address book, this idiot
          =
          friend ignored my advice and tried to stuff more paper in th= e printer
          during the print job, jamming it.=A0 I got it restarted, but this may
          have glitched something in the MailStation, because once I = got it back
          to Mom's, one of her groups stopped working= and would freeze the
          machine.=A0 We suspect a problem in the flash memory, like when= you pull
          your jump drive out of the USB port as it's b= eing accessed.=A0 I was
          <= div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin= -left: 0px; ">leaving that day and didn't have time to mess with it.=A0 So, so she has
          old-time computer guru, and trying to fix it for her.=A0 The young guy
          had= limited time but agreed with the "flash memory" diagnosis.=A0 The
          old guy spent hour= s, alone, and on the phone with India, trying to fix
          th= e problem.=A0 Now, apparently = NONE of the groups are working at all
          and they cannot s= et up any new mail groups.

          =
          Anybody have any ideas what's wrong or how to fix it without= the
          Indians being involved?

          Thanks.
          <= /body> --Apple-Mail-1-624750527-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20358 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2008 16:00:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Apr 2008 16:00:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (216.224.236.178) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Apr 2008 16:00:22 -0000 X-Received: from computer1 (computer1.handypage5.net [192.168.101.21]) by www.handypage.net (8.13.6/8.13.6/netmax) with SMTP id m3LG0LtN028659 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:00:21 -0700 To: Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:55:20 -0700 Message-ID: <001801c8a3c8$1ae1ee20$1565a8c0@MAINCPU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C8A38D.6E831620" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <2C030829-61D9-4671-A191-2432F337AEDF@...> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/6864/Mon Apr 21 07:38:08 2008 on www.handypage.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "wayne markis" Reply-To: Subject: RE: [mailstation] Re: Any Ideas about this problem? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=MmGaE5tspY-FGLDtueewiPGz0PZ0HoFAwbS4ZzFvOFvjlSydqpmuTA X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 28952 Lines: 856 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C8A38D.6E831620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The problem is that you can do that with the smaller mailstations, but you can't do most of this with the model 350, which is the only one that will allow you to get email graphics, and print in color. Although the Model 350 has more memory, it also has more security for locking you from getting in to work on it. It requires that it get an email from Earthlink to program itself and move to a working account. The "special" email has MIME control characters in it, which can not be sent over the internet thru other ISP's since they are filtered out. Only a direct connection to the ISP (Earthlink) will allow these characters to be received by the machine. The machine goes to a special account on Earthlink, which is the serial number of the machine @earthlink . It receives the special encoded message, and then changes to "Your" account. You can not send a message to these "Special" accounts, Earthlink will not pass the message. But you CAN log into these accounts, and see what the mailstation is getting, except for the special characters, which you won't see or be able to print out. You would think that Earthlink would be happy to add customers using these mailstations, but that does not seem to be the case ??? If you think the Indian call center is bad, wait a few more years until Earthlink finds a cheaper place to hire labor, and then they move it from India to there !!! As the big shots are making their millions at the top !!! Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Patrick Forbes Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 10:32 AM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Cc: musicalman77@...; djgizmo1@... Subject: [mailstation] Re: Any Ideas about this problem? Don't waste any more of your time with Earthlink. Attention (Product Life) spans are too short. No company wants to seriously support anything more than five (5) years old, nowadays. We're pretty much on our own here. I just learned Cidco, who made the thing, filed for bankruptcy this past January. My calls and faxes to them for their engineering assistance went unanswered and I expect the letter I posted to them a week ago will be coming back soon, too. Regardless of your choices, chances you will lose all programmed data are pretty great. Please write down ALL programming information. Start with 'Extras', 'Settings' then 'Details' and ensure you've no typos. You will most certainly be asked to "Create New User" where you'll need to type it all in just as you saw it: User Name: Dial Up Number: E-mail address: E-mail Password: POP3 Server: SMTP Server: ISP Account: ISP Password: Primary DNS: I photocopied all the screens and filed the copies for posterity. Six years later I needed them! Press FN, Shift and T with one hand and stick a pin in the Reset hole in the back. The Diagnostic Menu will appear. Press the 3 for the F/A Tester. The five grey keys aren't operational. Select the test of your choice. Start with Fast Test. When it's done press the Reset again to get back to the Diag.... screen. Press Q to return the machine to operational status If anyone else has additional tricks to share along this line, please don't be shy. I have a working machine I can experiment with at will. Verizon ($8.95/m), Look ($4.95/m), BasicISP and Mid-Maine have all said they 'may' be able to provide service. I'm waiting for more info from them to set up a trial with each on my machine. More later..... Please consider the environment before printing this email note. Patrick musicalman77" musicalman77@... musicalman77 Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:56 pm ((PDT)) Good luck with getting any kind of help out of Earthlink's big-wigs. I think they are trying hard to wash their hands of MailStation. My mom, also 90, had a problem with her machine. A friend who use to work computer models four levels down from the (U.S.) President was there the other day trying to remedy the trouble. He also spent about 3 hours on the phone with..."those fools in India" (nicely put!) and all to no avail. When pressed for information on repair or replacement, they got rude. So, I tried the online chat with Earthlink CS. After confirming the persistent rumor that there are no NEW MailStation accounts being established, they just kept referring me to the 800 number (aka "fools in India") and ASSURING me these folks would help. I kept insisting we'd already tried that, and the argument became circular and a standoff. So, I asked, "Well, what about repair or replacement" (which they have done in the past) and was told, "She can buy a new unit on her own." When I said that I understood that accounts were not being transferred to new machines, I was referred to... you guessed it... the fools in India. I finally gave up and told her "Thanks for nothing." Mom's only trouble is that she can no longer send to groups, and any attempt to access her former groups freezes up the machine and it has to be reset. We suspect a bad spot in the flash memory. I told her to just live with sending individual e-mails or do her group people from individual e-mail (I think you can do three recipients at a time) and be glad the thing is still working at all, since she just re-upped for another year on the service. I guess if the thing breaks, I'll hook her up with my old WebTV unit (which is now MSN TV) and hope she can learn to use it. --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Forbes" wrote: An update: 3 hours on the phone with about a dozen attempts got account turned back on despite those incompetent fools in India and MailStation resumed operation. That was all that was wrong with her original unit. Anyone have an actual address, telephone number and a bigwig's name of Earthlink's HQ wherever it is? I need compensation for these many months of no service, grief and frustration at the hands of those imbeciles they insist on calling agents. Messages in this topic (10) ________________________________________________________________________ 1b. Re: Mailstation 5 months off line Posted by: "Marcus Herrera" djgizmo1@... djgizmo1 Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:26 pm ((PDT)) Talk about dealing those people. I was doing a system board replacement. I called and was transfered to them. I was getting upset because I couldn't understand what they were saying. They could understand my name, asked me to spell it out several times. Getting it wrong. I ended hanging up on them and call back hoping on getting a different person. Man how can't you not understand the name "marcus". Off shore call centers sucks!!! gizmo on sidekick Messages in this topic (10) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ 2. Any Ideas about this problem? Posted by: "musicalman77" musicalman77@... musicalman77 Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:09 pm ((PDT)) I posted in part about this in the reply to Patrick, but would like your ideas on any way to fix this problem (and like him, I'm in OK and the machine is in OH, but I may visit there mid-summer). When I was visiting in December, I took the machine over to a friend's house because she had an old parallel-port printer. I wanted to print out Mom's address book for two reasons: 1) a planned e-mail announcement by my sister to Mom's friends for her 90th birthday card shower, and 2) paper backup in case her machine ever got wiped, as it did once before. (You'd THINK they'd have a way to back up the address book to the associated EarthLink webmail account, but that'd be far too easy...) Mom's only trouble is that she can no longer send to groups, and any attempt to access her former groups freezes up the machine and it has to be reset. We suspect a bad spot in the flash memory. I told her to just live with sending individual e-mails or do her group people from individual e-mail (I think you can do three recipients at a time) and be glad the thing is still working at all, since she just re-upped for another year on the service. Well, in the course of printing out the address book, this idiot friend ignored my advice and tried to stuff more paper in the printer during the print job, jamming it. I got it restarted, but this may have glitched something in the MailStation, because once I got it back to Mom's, one of her groups stopped working and would freeze the machine. We suspect a problem in the flash memory, like when you pull your jump drive out of the USB port as it's being accessed. I was leaving that day and didn't have time to mess with it. So, so she has had two people look at it since - a young computer geek and an old-time computer guru, and trying to fix it for her. The young guy had limited time but agreed with the "flash memory" diagnosis. The old guy spent hours, alone, and on the phone with India, trying to fix the problem. Now, apparently NONE of the groups are working at all and they cannot set up any new mail groups. Anybody have any ideas what's wrong or how to fix it without the Indians being involved? Thanks. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C8A38D.6E831620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
          The problem is that you can do that with th= e smaller mailstations,
          but you can't do most= of this with the model 350, which is the
          only = one that will allow you to get email graphics, and print
          in color.
           
          =
          Although the Model 350 has more memory, it also has more
          security for locking you from getting in to work on i= t.
           
          It requi= res that it get an email from Earthlink to program itself
          and move to a working account. The "special" email has
          MIME control characters in it, which can not be sent o= ver the
          internet thru other ISP's since they ar= e filtered out.
          =  
          Only a direct connection to the ISP (Earthlink) will allow these
          characters to be received by the machine.
           
          The machine goes to= a special account on Earthlink, which is the
          = serial number of the machine @earthlink . It receives the special
          encoded message, and then changes to "Your" account.
           
          You can not s= end a message to these "Special" accounts, Earthlink
          <= DIV>will not pass the message.  But you CAN log into these account= s,
          and see what the mailstation is getting, exc= ept for the special characters,
          which you won'= t see or be able to print out.
          &n= bsp;
          You would think that Earthlink would be happy to add c= ustomers using these
          mailstations, but that do= es not seem to be the case ???
          &= nbsp;
          If you think the Indian call center is bad, wait a few= more years until Earthlink
          finds a cheaper pl= ace to hire labor, and then they move it from India to there !!!
           
          As the big shots ar= e making their millions at the top !!!
          <= /SPAN> 
          Wayne
           
          -----Origi= nal Message-----
          From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mai= lstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Patrick Forbes
          Sent:<= /B> Sunday, April 20, 2008 10:32 AM
          To: mailstation@yahoogroup= s.com
          Cc: musicalman77@...; djgizmo1@...
          Sub= ject: [mailstation] Re: Any Ideas about this problem?

          =

          Don't waste any more of your time with E= arthlink. Attention (Product Life) spans are too short. No company wants= to seriously support anything more than five (5) years o= ld, nowadays. We're pretty much on our own here. I just learned Cidco, w= ho made the thing, filed for bankruptcy this past January. My calls and = faxes to them for their engineering assistance went unanswered and I exp= ect the letter I posted to them a week ago will be coming back soon, too= .


          Regardless of your choices, chances you will los= e all programmed data are pretty great. Please write down ALL programmin= g information. Start with 'Extras', 'Settings' then 'Details' and ensure= you've no typos. You will most certainly be asked to "Create New U= ser" where you'll need to type it all in just as you saw it:

          User Name: 
          Dial Up Number:&n= bsp;
          E-mail address: 
          E-mail Password: =
          POP3 Server: 
          SMTP Server: 
          ISP Account: 
          ISP Password:  
          Primar= y DNS:
           
          I photocopied all the screens and f= iled the copies for posterity. Six years later I needed them!

          Press FN, Shift and T with one hand and stick a pin in= the Reset hole in the back. The Diagnostic Menu will appear.
          Press the 3 for the F/A Tester. The five grey keys aren't op= erational. Select the test of your choice. Start with Fast Test. When it= 's done press the Reset again to get back to the Diag.... screen. Press = Q to return the machine to operational status

          =
          If anyone else has additional tricks to share along thi= s line, please don't be shy. I have a working machine I can experiment w= ith at will.

          Verizon ($8.95/m), Look ($4.= 95/m), BasicISP and Mid-Maine have all said they 'may' be able to provid= e service. I'm waiting for more info from them to set up a trial with ea= ch on my machine.

          More later.....

          Please consider the environment = before printing this email note.

          Patrick

          musicalma= n77" musicalman77@yahoo.c= om musicalman77
              Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:5= 6 pm ((PDT))

          Good luck with getting any kind= of help out of Earthlink's big-wigs. 
          I think they are trying hard to wash their hand= s of MailStation. My
          mom, also 90, had a problem with her mach= ine.  A friend who use t= o
          work computer models four levels down from the (U.S.) Presid= ent was
          there the other day trying to remedy the trouble.  He also spent about
          =
          3 hours on the phone with..."those fools in India" (nicely put!) and=
          all to no avail.  When pressed for information on repair or
          replacement,= they got rude.

          So, I tried the online chat = with Earthlink CS.  Afte= r confirming the
          persistent rumor that there are no NEW MailSt= ation accounts being
          established, they just kept referring me = to the 800 number (aka "fools
          in India") and ASSURING me th= ese folks would help.  I= kept insisting
          we'd already tried that, and the argument beca= me circular and a
          standoff.  So, I asked, "Well, what about repair or replacement"
          (which they have done in the past) and was told, "She can buy a n= ew
          unit on her own." = When I said that I understood that accounts were
          no= t being transferred to new machines, I was referred to... you
          = guessed it... the fools in India. = I finally gave up and told her
          "Thanks for nothing.= "

          Mom's only trouble is that she can no long= er send to groups, and any
          attempt to access her former group= s freezes up the machine and it has
          to be reset.  We suspect a bad spot in the flas= h memory.  I told her
          to just live with sending individual e-mails or do her group peo= ple
          from individual e-mail (I think you can do three recipient= s at a time)
          and be glad the thing is still working at all,= since she just re-upped
          for another year on the service.

          I guess if the thing breaks, I'll hook her up= with my old WebTV unit
          (which is now MSN TV) and hope she ca= n learn to use it.

          --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, = "Patrick Forbes"
          ...> wrote:

          An update:

          3 hours on the phone with about a dozen atte= mpts got account turned
          back on despite 
          those incompetent fools in India and MailStation resumed = operation.
          That was all that was 
          <= DIV>wrong with her original unit.

          Anyone= have an actual address, telephone number and a bigwig's name
          of Earthlink's HQ&nbs= p;
          wherever it is? I nee= d compensation for these many months of no
          ser= vice, grief and 
          frustration at the hands of those imbecil= es they insist on calling
          agents.


          =


          Messages in this topic (10)
          =
          _______________________________________________= _________________________
          1b. Re: Mailstation 5= months off line
            &n= bsp; Posted by: "Marcus Herrera" djgizmo1@yahoo.com djgizmo1
              Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:26 pm = ((PDT))

          Talk about dealing those people. I w= as doing a system board replacement.=  
          I called and was transfered to them. I was getti= ng upset because I 
          couldn't understand what they were saying. They could understand m= y 
          name, as= ked me to spell it out several times. Getting it wrong. I ended 
          hanging up on them an= d call back hoping on getting a different person. 
          Man how can't you not understand th= e name "marcus". Off shore call = ;
          centers sucks!!!
          gizmo on sidekick
          =


          Messages in this topic (10)
          _____________________________________________= ___________________________
          ______________= __________________________________________________= ________
          2. Any Ideas about this problem?
              Posted by: "music= alman77" musicalman77@yah= oo.com musicalman77
              Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:09 pm ((PDT))

          I posted in part about this in the reply to Patrick, bu= t would like
          your ideas on any way to fix this problem (and li= ke him, I'm in OK and
          the machine is in OH, but I may visit= there mid-summer).

          When I was visiting in D= ecember, I took the machine over to a friend's
          house becaus= e she had an old parallel-port printer.  I wanted to print
          out Mom's address book for = two reasons: 1) a planned e-mail
          announcement by my sister to = Mom's friends for her 90th birthday card
          shower, and 2) pap= er backup in case her machine ever got wiped, as it
          did onc= e before.  (You'd THINK = they'd have a way to back up the
          address book to the associate= d EarthLink webmail account, but that'd
          be far too easy...)

          Mom's only trouble is that she can no longer = send to groups, and any
          attempt to access her former groups f= reezes up the machine and it has
          to be reset. We suspect a = bad spot in the flash memory. I told her
          to just live with sen= ding individual e-mails or do her group people
          from individual= e-mail (I think you can do three recipients at a time)
          and= be glad the thing is still working at all, since she just re-upped
          for another year on the service.

          We= ll, in the course of printing out the address book, this idiot
          friend ignored my advice and tried to stuff more paper in the printer
          during the print job, jamming it.  I got it restarted, but this may
          have g= litched something in the MailStation, because once I got it back
          =
          to Mom's, one of her groups stopped working and would freeze the
          machine.  We suspe= ct a problem in the flash memory, like when you pull
          your j= ump drive out of the USB port as it's being accessed.  I was
          leaving that day and didn= 't have time to mess with it.  = So, so she has
          had two people look at it since - a youn= g computer geek and an
          old-time computer guru, and trying to f= ix it for her.  The youn= g guy
          had limited time but agreed with the "flash memory" diag= nosis.  The
          old guy spent hours, alone, and on the phone with India, trying to fix<= /DIV>
          the problem.  = Now, apparently NONE of the groups are working at all
          and t= hey cannot set up any new mail groups.

          Anybo= dy have any ideas what's wrong or how to fix it without the
          In= dians being involved?

          Thanks.

          <= /HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C8A38D.6E831620-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: patrickforbes@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49106 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2008 01:15:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2008 01:15:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtpoutm.mac.com) (17.148.16.74) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2008 01:15:42 -0000 X-Received: from mac.com (asmtp001-s [10.150.69.64]) by smtpoutm.mac.com (Xserve/smtpout011/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m3M1FBF6009776; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:15:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from [70.50.141.118] (bas17-toronto12-1177718134.dsl.bell.ca [70.50.141.118]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/asmtp001/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m3M1Eu0k002566; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:14:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <373136.97829.qm@...> References: <373136.97829.qm@...> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8-738943791 Message-Id: <7C2AC9CA-38DD-41CC-836E-82AA75E006E9@...> Cc: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:14:54 -0400 To: musicalman77@... X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Patrick Forbes Subject: Re: Any Ideas about this problem? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115733964; y=X-_Hd3yasG12VHn20qlWrbbBH6GwjRUa8ZLZr23wUeKBNg X-Yahoo-Profile: forbesp Status: RO Content-Length: 30636 Lines: 510 --Apple-Mail-8-738943791 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed When I boot my MailStation and select 'Address Book' and press 'New,' a choice of Individual or Groups appears. Select 'Groups' and name it. It will then show the whole 'Groups' list to pick and choose from. Press 'Add' and the Address Book list will appear from which you may pick the Groups 'Members' you wish to add to that group. Take a look. Please consider the environment before printing this email note. Patrick On 21-Apr-08, at 20:43 , Jon James wrote: They've tried resetting EVERYTHING (both remotely by the Indians and locally including the "pinhole" reset) and the groups still refuse to function, which is what leads us to believe in the "bad flash memory sector" theory. Maybe the whole memory needs to be reformatted, and that's probably something only the Indians can do (if they even can). --- On Mon, 4/21/08, Patrick Subject: Re: Any Ideas about this problem? To: musicalman77@... Date: Monday, April 21, 2008, 7:21 PM Her 'Groups' will most certainly need to be re-programmed, I'm sorry to say. Please remember the KISS Principle. I'm pretty sure she'll enjoy a fully functional MailStation a bit more than the Web on TV. Might be too many buttons to remember to push in the right order. Yup. Mom is back on line. Just a stupid typo. Dumb indians! So far, BasicISP is working with me to test their servers....... Please consider the environment before printing this email note. Patrick On 21-Apr-08, at 19:51 , Jon James wrote: Wow, Patrick. Thanks for the tech info. As it stands right now, the machine and service are WORKING for individual e-mails, just not groups, so she's content for now. If I visit Ohio this summer, I may try this stuff. I have an old WebTV box and may take that with me and set her up with that. She would have e-mail AND full web access for the same annual service fee as the Earthlink e-mail thing. Hope you got your mom all fixed up too. Don't worry - I won't publish this anywhere, just print it out for my own use. Jon --- On Sun, 4/20/08, Patrick wrote: From: Patrick Subject: Re: Any Ideas about this problem? To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Cc: musicalman77@..., djgizmo1@... Date: Sunday, April 20, 2008, 12:31 PM Don't waste any more of your time with Earthlink. Attention (Product Life) spans are too short. No company wants to seriously support anything more than five (5) years old, nowadays. We're pretty much on our own here. I just learned Cidco, who made the thing, filed for bankruptcy this past January. My calls and faxes to them for their engineering assistance went unanswered and I expect the letter I posted to them a week ago will be coming back soon, too. Regardless of your choices, chances you will lose all programmed data are pretty great. Please write down ALL programming information. Start with 'Extras', 'Settings' then 'Details' and ensure you've no typos. You will most certainly be asked to "Create New User" where you'll need to type it all in just as you saw it: User Name: Dial Up Number: E-mail address: E-mail Password: POP3 Server: SMTP Server: ISP Account: ISP Password: Primary DNS: I photocopied all the screens and filed the copies for posterity. Six years later I needed them! Press FN, Shift and T with one hand and stick a pin in the Reset hole in the back. The Diagnostic Menu will appear. Press the 3 for the F/A Tester. The five grey keys aren't operational. Select the test of your choice. Start with Fast Test. When it's done press the Reset again to get back to the Diag.... screen. Press Q to return the machine to operational status If anyone else has additional tricks to share along this line, please don't be shy. I have a working machine I can experiment with at will. Verizon ($8.95/m), Look ($4.95/m), BasicISP and Mid-Maine have all said they 'may' be able to provide service. I'm waiting for more info from them to set up a trial with each on my machine. More later..... Please consider the environment before printing this email note. Patrick musicalman77" musicalman77@... musicalman77 Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:56 pm ((PDT)) Good luck with getting any kind of help out of Earthlink's big-wigs. I think they are trying hard to wash their hands of MailStation. My mom, also 90, had a problem with her machine. A friend who use to work computer models four levels down from the (U.S.) President was there the other day trying to remedy the trouble. He also spent about 3 hours on the phone with..."those fools in India" (nicely put!) and all to no avail. When pressed for information on repair or replacement, they got rude. So, I tried the online chat with Earthlink CS. After confirming the persistent rumor that there are no NEW MailStation accounts being established, they just kept referring me to the 800 number (aka "fools in India") and ASSURING me these folks would help. I kept insisting we'd already tried that, and the argument became circular and a standoff. So, I asked, "Well, what about repair or replacement" (which they have done in the past) and was told, "She can buy a new unit on her own." When I said that I understood that accounts were not being transferred to new machines, I was referred to... you guessed it... the fools in India. I finally gave up and told her "Thanks for nothing." Mom's only trouble is that she can no longer send to groups, and any attempt to access her former groups freezes up the machine and it has to be reset. We suspect a bad spot in the flash memory. I told her to just live with sending individual e-mails or do her group people from individual e-mail (I think you can do three recipients at a time) and be glad the thing is still working at all, since she just re-upped for another year on the service. I guess if the thing breaks, I'll hook her up with my old WebTV unit (which is now MSN TV) and hope she can learn to use it. --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick wrote: > > An update: > > 3 hours on the phone with about a dozen attempts got account turned back on despite > those incompetent fools in India and MailStation resumed operation. That was all that was > wrong with her original unit. > > Anyone have an actual address, telephone number and a bigwig's name of Earthlink's HQ > wherever it is? I need compensation for these many months of no service, grief and > frustration at the hands of those imbeciles they insist on calling agents. > Messages in this topic (10) ________________________________________________________________________ 1b. Re: Mailstation 5 months off line Posted by: "Marcus Herrera" djgizmo1@... djgizmo1 Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:26 pm ((PDT)) Talk about dealing those people. I was doing a system board replacement. I called and was transfered to them. I was getting upset because I couldn't understand what they were saying. They could understand my name, asked me to spell it out several times. Getting it wrong. I ended hanging up on them and call back hoping on getting a different person. Man how can't you not understand the name "marcus". Off shore call centers sucks!!! gizmo on sidekick Messages in this topic (10) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ 2. Any Ideas about this problem? Posted by: "musicalman77" musicalman77@... musicalman77 Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:09 pm ((PDT)) I posted in part about this in the reply to Patrick, but would like your ideas on any way to fix this problem (and like him, I'm in OK and the machine is in OH, but I may visit there mid-summer). When I was visiting in December, I took the machine over to a friend's house because she had an old parallel-port printer. I wanted to print out Mom's address book for two reasons: 1) a planned e-mail announcement by my sister to Mom's friends for her 90th birthday card shower, and 2) paper backup in case her machine ever got wiped, as it did once before. (You'd THINK they'd have a way to back up the address book to the associated EarthLink webmail account, but that'd be far too easy...) Mom's only trouble is that she can no longer send to groups, and any attempt to access her former groups freezes up the machine and it has to be reset. We suspect a bad spot in the flash memory. I told her to just live with sending individual e-mails or do her group people from individual e-mail (I think you can do three recipients at a time) and be glad the thing is still working at all, since she just re-upped for another year on the service. Well, in the course of printing out the address book, this idiot friend ignored my advice and tried to stuff more paper in the printer during the print job, jamming it. I got it restarted, but this may have glitched something in the MailStation, because once I got it back to Mom's, one of her groups stopped working and would freeze the machine. We suspect a problem in the flash memory, like when you pull your jump drive out of the USB port as it's being accessed. I was leaving that day and didn't have time to mess with it. So, so she has had two people look at it since - a young computer geek and an old-time computer guru, and trying to fix it for her. The young guy had limited time but agreed with the "flash memory" diagnosis. The old guy spent hours, alone, and on the phone with India, trying to fix the problem. Now, apparently NONE of the groups are working at all and they cannot set up any new mail groups. Anybody have any ideas what's wrong or how to fix it without the Indians being involved? Thanks. --Apple-Mail-8-738943791 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 When I boot my MailStation and select '= Address Book' and press 'New,' a choice of Individual or Groups appears. Se= lect 'Groups' and name it. It will then show the whole 'Groups' list to pic= k and choose from. Press 'Add' and the Address Book list will appear from w= hich you may pick the Groups 'Members' you wish to add to that group.
          T= ake a look.

          Please consider the environment before printing= this email note.

          Patrick

          On 21-A= pr-08, at 20:43 , Jon James wrote:

          They've tried resetting EVERYTHING (both remotely= by the Indians and locally including the "pinhole" reset) and the groups s= till refuse to function, which is what leads us to believe in the "bad flas= h memory sector" theory.=A0 Maybe the whole memory needs to be reformatted,= and that's probably something only the Indians can do (if they even can).<= br>--- On Mon, 4/21/08, Patrick
          Subject: Re: An= y Ideas about this problem?
          To: musicalman77@...
          Date: Monday, April 21, 2008, 7:21 PM
          Her 'Groups' will most certainly need to be re-p= rogrammed, I'm sorry to say. Please remember the KISS Principle. I'm pretty= sure she'll enjoy a fully functional MailStation a bit more than the Web o= n TV. Might be too many buttons to remember to push in the right order.
          Yup. Mom is back on line. Just a stupid typo. Dumb indian= s!

          So far, BasicISP is working with me to test the= ir servers.......
          =
          Please consider the environment bef= ore printing this email note.

          Patrick

          On 21-Apr-08, at 19:51 , Jon James wrote:

          Wow, Patrick.=A0 Thanks for the tech info.=A0 As it = stands right now, the machine and service are WORKING for individual e-mail= s, just not groups, so she's content for now.=A0 If I visit Ohio this summe= r, I may try this stuff.=A0 I have an old WebTV box and may take that with = me and set her up with that.=A0 She would have e-mail AND full web access f= or the same annual service fee as the Earthlink e-mail thing.=A0 Hope you g= ot your mom all fixed up too.=A0

          Don't worry - I won't publish this a= nywhere, just print it out for my own use.=A0

          Jon

          --- On Sun, 4= /20/08, Patrick=A0wrote:
          From: Patrick
          Sub= ject: Re: Any Ideas about this problem?
          To: mailstation@yahoogrou= ps.com
          Cc: musicalman77@..., djgizmo1@...
          Dat= e: Sunday, April 20, 2008, 12:31 PM

          Don't= waste any more of your time with Earthlink. Attention (Product Life) spans= are too short. No company wants to seriously=A0support=A0anything more tha= n five (5) years old, nowadays. We're pretty much on our own here. I just l= earned Cidco, who made the thing, filed for bankruptcy this past January. M= y calls and faxes to them for their engineering assistance went unanswered = and I expect the letter I posted to them a week ago will be coming back soo= n, too.

          Regardless of your choices, chances you will l= ose all programmed data are pretty great. Please write down ALL programming= information. Start with 'Extras', 'Settings' then 'Details' and ensure you= 've no=A0typos. You will most certainly be asked to "Create New User" where= you'll need to type it all in just as you saw it:

          User Name:=A0
          Dial Up Number:=A0
          E-mail addr= ess:=A0
          E-mail Password:=A0
          POP3 Server:=A0
          SMTP Server:=A0
          ISP Account:=A0
          ISP Password: =A0
          Primary DNS:
          =A0
          I photocopied all the scre= ens and filed the copies for posterity. Six years later I needed them!

          Press FN, Shift and T with one hand and stick a pin = in the Reset hole in the back. The Diagnostic Menu will appear.

          Press the 3 for the F/A Tester. The five grey keys aren't operati= onal. Select the test of your choice. Start with Fast Test. When it's done = press the Reset again to get back to the Diag.... screen. Press Q to return= the machine to operational status

          If anyone els= e has=A0additional=A0tricks to share along this line, please don't be shy. = I have a working machine I can experiment with at will.

          Verizon ($8.95/m), Look ($4.95/m), BasicISP and Mid-Maine have all = said they 'may' be able to provide service. I'm waiting for more info from = them to set up a trial with each on my machine.

          = More later.....
          Please consider the environment befor= e printing this email note.

          Patrick

          musicalman77" mus= icalman77@... musicalman77
          =A0 =A0 D= ate: Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:56 pm ((PDT))

          Good luck with getting = any kind of help out of Earthlink's big-wigs.=A0
          I think they are trying= hard to wash their hands of MailStation. My
          mom, also 90, had a problem with her machine.=A0 A friend who use to
          = work computer models four levels down from the (U.S.) President was
          <= div style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">there the other day trying to remedy the trouble.= =A0 He also spent about
          =
          3 hours on the phone with..."those fools in Indi= a" (nicely put!) and
          all to no avail.=A0 When pressed for information on= repair or
          replacement, they got rude.

          So, I tried the online chat with Earthlink CS.=A0 After confirming the
          persistent rumor that there are no NEW MailStation accounts being=
          established, they just kept referring me = to the 800 number (aka "fools
          in India") a= nd ASSURING me these folks would help.=A0 I kept insisting
          we'd already = tried that, and the argument became circular and a
          standoff.=A0 So, I as= ked, "Well, what about repair or replacement"
          (which they have done in the past) and was told, "She can buy a new
          unit on her own."=A0 When I said that I understood that accounts were
          =
          not being transferred to new machines, I was re= ferred to... you
          guessed it... the fools i= n India.=A0 I finally gave up = and told her
          "Thanks for nothing."
          <= div style=3D"MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px">
          Mom's only trouble is that she can no longer send to groups, and any=
          attempt to access her former groups freez= es up the machine and it has
          to be reset.<= span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 We suspect a bad spot in th= e flash memory.=A0 I told her<= /div>
          to just live with sending individual e-mai= ls or do her group people
          from individual = e-mail (I think you can do three recipients at a time)
          and be glad the thing is still working at all, since she just = re-upped
          for another year on the service.<= /div>

          I guess if the thing breaks, I'll hook her up with my old Web= TV unit
          (which is now MSN TV) and hope she= can learn to use it.
          --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.c= om, "Patrick=A0wrote:

          An updat= e:

          3 hours on the phone with about a dozen attempts got accou= nt turned
          back on despite=A0
          those incompetent fools in India and MailStat= ion resumed operation.
          That w= as all that was=A0
          wrong with her original un= it.

          Anyone have an actual address, telephone number and a big= wig's name
          of Earthlink's HQ<= span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0
          wherever it is? I need compensation for th= ese many months of no
          service= , grief and=A0
          frustration at the hands of th= ose imbeciles they insist on calling
          agents.




          Messages in this topic (10)
          _= _______________________________________________________________________
          1b. Re: Mailstation 5 months off line
          <= div style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">=A0 =A0 Posted by: "Marcus Herrera" djgizmo1@... djgizmo1
          =A0 =A0 Da= te: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:26 pm ((PDT))

          Talk about dealing those= people. I was doing a system board replacement.=A0
          I called and was tra= nsfered to them. I was getting upset because I=A0
          couldn't understand wh= at they were saying. They could understand my=A0
          name, asked me to spell= it out several times. Getting it wrong. I ended=A0
          hanging up on them a= nd call back hoping on getting a different person.=A0
          Man how can't you = not understand the name "marcus". Off shore call=A0
          centers sucks!!!
          gizmo on sidekick


          Messages in this topic (10)
          ______________________________________________= __________________________
          _______________= _________________________________________________________
          2. Any Ideas about this problem?
          =A0 =A0 Posted by: "mu= sicalman77" musicalman77@... musicalman77
          =A0 =A0 Date: Sat = Apr 19, 2008 3:09 pm ((PDT))

          I posted in part about this in t= he reply to Patrick, but would like
          your i= deas on any way to fix this problem (and like him, I'm in OK and
          the machine is in OH, but I may visit there mid-summ= er).

          When I was visiting in December, I took the machine over= to a friend's
          house because she had an ol= d parallel-port printer.=A0 I = wanted to print
          out Mom's address book for= two reasons: 1) a planned e-mail
          announce= ment by my sister to Mom's friends for her 90th birthday card
          shower, and 2) paper backup in case her machine ever go= t wiped, as it
          did once before.=A0 (You'd THINK they'd have a way to bac= k up the
          address book to the associated Ea= rthLink webmail account, but that'd
          be far= too easy...)

          =
          Mom's only trouble is that she can no longer se= nd to groups, and any
          attempt to access he= r former groups freezes up the machine and it has
          to be reset. We suspect a bad spot in the flash memory. I told her<= /div>
          to just live with sending individual e-mai= ls or do her group people
          from individual = e-mail (I think you can do three recipients at a time)
          and be glad the thing is still working at all, since she just = re-upped
          for another year on the service.<= /div>

          Well, in the course of printing out the address book, this id= iot
          friend ignored my advice and tried to = stuff more paper in the printer
          during the= print job, jamming it.=A0 I g= ot it restarted, but this may
          have glitche= d something in the MailStation, because once I got it back
          to Mom's, one of her groups stopped working and would free= ze the
          machine.=A0 We suspect a problem in the flash memory, like when y= ou pull
          your jump drive out of the USB por= t as it's being accessed.=A0 I= was
          leaving that day and didn't have time= to mess with it.=A0 So, so sh= e has
          had two people look at it since - a = young computer geek and an
          old-time comput= er guru, and trying to fix it for her.=A0 The young guy
          had limited time= but agreed with the "flash memory" diagnosis.=A0 The
          old guy spent hour= s, alone, and on the phone with India, trying to fix
          the problem.=A0 Now= , apparently NONE of the groups are working at all
          and they cannot set up any new mail groups.

          Anybody = have any ideas what's wrong or how to fix it without the
          Indians being involved?

          Thanks.
          <= /div>
          <= /div>
          --Apple-Mail-8-738943791-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: patrickforbes@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48585 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2008 02:19:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2008 02:19:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtpoutm.mac.com) (17.148.16.69) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2008 02:19:13 -0000 X-Received: from mac.com (asmtp004-s [10.150.69.67]) by smtpoutm.mac.com (Xserve/smtpout006/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m3M2J98R009430; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:19:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from [70.50.141.118] (bas17-toronto12-1177718134.dsl.bell.ca [70.50.141.118]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/asmtp004/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m3M2J2OA012617; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:19:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <889628.7981.qm@...> References: <889628.7981.qm@...> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9-742789239 Message-Id: Cc: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:18:59 -0400 To: musicalman77@... X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Patrick Forbes Subject: Re: Any Ideas about this problem? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115733964; y=BzhyGA8h1B4_k2ac5sGJtYtWGWjfLycBzs2nkcBflbSbQw X-Yahoo-Profile: forbesp Status: RO Content-Length: 37097 Lines: 624 --Apple-Mail-9-742789239 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Whoa! That sounds a wee bit fishy, if you don't mind the Canadian vernacular. If a 'Group' worked, the others should if the others still have 'valid' addresses with no defects (typos) in them. Possible? Remember, it's only a computer. It's not that smart, eh. Yeah, I understand. My Mom is back in Florida (but now on-line) and I'm in Toronto. But I have amy own MailStation to play with, now. And I am....... Hey, I'm our organization's Guru and this is testing ME. And I beat you with a 2,182 km separation. Ha! Please consider the environment before printing this email note. Patrick Forbes 121 Lafayette Boulevard Whitby, Ontario L1P 1S4 905-666-0378 On 21-Apr-08, at 21:34 , Jon James wrote: I'm 900 miles from the machine. However, I recall she had three groups set up. Two of them still worked, but any attempt to access the third locked up the machine, requiring the "pinhole" reset. I suggested she just abandon the "bad" group, rename it something similar, and start the bad group over. Apparently, it wouldn't let them set up any new groups, and after the tech friend and the Indians finished messing with it, NONE of the groups would work anymore and it won't let them set up new groups, only individuals (which had to all be re-input manually - apparenlty the Indians wiped everything). As far as what they are telling me, groups just "don't work" anymore. It's hard for me, from here and dealing with a 90-year-old non-geek, to tell exactly what's going on. "Who am I that You are mindful of me?" (Based on Psalms 8:4) --- On Mon, 4/21/08, Patrick Forbes wrote: From: Patrick Forbes Subject: Re: Any Ideas about this problem? To: musicalman77@... Cc: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2008, 8:14 PM When I boot my MailStation and select 'Address Book' and press 'New,' a choice of Individual or Groups appears. Select 'Groups' and name it. It will then show the whole 'Groups' list to pick and choose from. Press 'Add' and the Address Book list will appear from which you may pick the Groups 'Members' you wish to add to that group. Take a look. Please consider the environment before printing this email note. Patrick On 21-Apr-08, at 20:43 , Jon James wrote: They've tried resetting EVERYTHING (both remotely by the Indians and locally including the "pinhole" reset) and the groups still refuse to function, which is what leads us to believe in the "bad flash memory sector" theory. Maybe the whole memory needs to be reformatted, and that's probably something only the Indians can do (if they even can). --- On Mon, 4/21/08, Patrick Subject: Re: Any Ideas about this problem? To: musicalman77@... Date: Monday, April 21, 2008, 7:21 PM Her 'Groups' will most certainly need to be re-programmed, I'm sorry to say. Please remember the KISS Principle. I'm pretty sure she'll enjoy a fully functional MailStation a bit more than the Web on TV. Might be too many buttons to remember to push in the right order. Yup. Mom is back on line. Just a stupid typo. Dumb indians! So far, BasicISP is working with me to test their servers....... Please consider the environment before printing this email note. Patrick On 21-Apr-08, at 19:51 , Jon James wrote: Wow, Patrick. Thanks for the tech info. As it stands right now, the machine and service are WORKING for individual e-mails, just not groups, so she's content for now. If I visit Ohio this summer, I may try this stuff. I have an old WebTV box and may take that with me and set her up with that. She would have e-mail AND full web access for the same annual service fee as the Earthlink e-mail thing. Hope you got your mom all fixed up too. Don't worry - I won't publish this anywhere, just print it out for my own use. Jon --- On Sun, 4/20/08, Patrick wrote: From: Patrick Subject: Re: Any Ideas about this problem? To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Cc: musicalman77@..., djgizmo1@... Date: Sunday, April 20, 2008, 12:31 PM Don't waste any more of your time with Earthlink. Attention (Product Life) spans are too short. No company wants to seriously support anything more than five (5) years old, nowadays. We're pretty much on our own here. I just learned Cidco, who made the thing, filed for bankruptcy this past January. My calls and faxes to them for their engineering assistance went unanswered and I expect the letter I posted to them a week ago will be coming back soon, too. Regardless of your choices, chances you will lose all programmed data are pretty great. Please write down ALL programming information. Start with 'Extras', 'Settings' then 'Details' and ensure you've no typos. You will most certainly be asked to "Create New User" where you'll need to type it all in just as you saw it: User Name: Dial Up Number: E-mail address: E-mail Password: POP3 Server: SMTP Server: ISP Account: ISP Password: Primary DNS: I photocopied all the screens and filed the copies for posterity. Six years later I needed them! Press FN, Shift and T with one hand and stick a pin in the Reset hole in the back. The Diagnostic Menu will appear. Press the 3 for the F/A Tester. The five grey keys aren't operational. Select the test of your choice. Start with Fast Test. When it's done press the Reset again to get back to the Diag.... screen. Press Q to return the machine to operational status If anyone else has additional tricks to share along this line, please don't be shy. I have a working machine I can experiment with at will. Verizon ($8.95/m), Look ($4.95/m), BasicISP and Mid-Maine have all said they 'may' be able to provide service. I'm waiting for more info from them to set up a trial with each on my machine. More later..... Please consider the environment before printing this email note. Patrick musicalman77" musicalman77@... musicalman77 Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:56 pm ((PDT)) Good luck with getting any kind of help out of Earthlink's big-wigs. I think they are trying hard to wash their hands of MailStation. My mom, also 90, had a problem with her machine. A friend who use to work computer models four levels down from the (U.S.) President was there the other day trying to remedy the trouble. He also spent about 3 hours on the phone with..."those fools in India" (nicely put!) and all to no avail. When pressed for information on repair or replacement, they got rude. So, I tried the online chat with Earthlink CS. After confirming the persistent rumor that there are no NEW MailStation accounts being established, they just kept referring me to the 800 number (aka "fools in India") and ASSURING me these folks would help. I kept insisting we'd already tried that, and the argument became circular and a standoff. So, I asked, "Well, what about repair or replacement" (which they have done in the past) and was told, "She can buy a new unit on her own." When I said that I understood that accounts were not being transferred to new machines, I was referred to... you guessed it... the fools in India. I finally gave up and told her "Thanks for nothing." Mom's only trouble is that she can no longer send to groups, and any attempt to access her former groups freezes up the machine and it has to be reset. We suspect a bad spot in the flash memory. I told her to just live with sending individual e-mails or do her group people from individual e-mail (I think you can do three recipients at a time) and be glad the thing is still working at all, since she just re-upped for another year on the service. I guess if the thing breaks, I'll hook her up with my old WebTV unit (which is now MSN TV) and hope she can learn to use it. --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick wrote: > > An update: > > 3 hours on the phone with about a dozen attempts got account turned back on despite > those incompetent fools in India and MailStation resumed operation. That was all that was > wrong with her original unit. > > Anyone have an actual address, telephone number and a bigwig's name of Earthlink's HQ > wherever it is? I need compensation for these many months of no service, grief and > frustration at the hands of those imbeciles they insist on calling agents. > Messages in this topic (10) ________________________________________________________________________ 1b. Re: Mailstation 5 months off line Posted by: "Marcus Herrera" djgizmo1@... djgizmo1 Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:26 pm ((PDT)) Talk about dealing those people. I was doing a system board replacement. I called and was transfered to them. I was getting upset because I couldn't understand what they were saying. They could understand my name, asked me to spell it out several times. Getting it wrong. I ended hanging up on them and call back hoping on getting a different person. Man how can't you not understand the name "marcus". Off shore call centers sucks!!! gizmo on sidekick Messages in this topic (10) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ 2. Any Ideas about this problem? Posted by: "musicalman77" musicalman77@... musicalman77 Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:09 pm ((PDT)) I posted in part about this in the reply to Patrick, but would like your ideas on any way to fix this problem (and like him, I'm in OK and the machine is in OH, but I may visit there mid-summer). When I was visiting in December, I took the machine over to a friend's house because she had an old parallel-port printer. I wanted to print out Mom's address book for two reasons: 1) a planned e-mail announcement by my sister to Mom's friends for her 90th birthday card shower, and 2) paper backup in case her machine ever got wiped, as it did once before. (You'd THINK they'd have a way to back up the address book to the associated EarthLink webmail account, but that'd be far too easy...) Mom's only trouble is that she can no longer send to groups, and any attempt to access her former groups freezes up the machine and it has to be reset. We suspect a bad spot in the flash memory. I told her to just live with sending individual e-mails or do her group people from individual e-mail (I think you can do three recipients at a time) and be glad the thing is still working at all, since she just re-upped for another year on the service. Well, in the course of printing out the address book, this idiot friend ignored my advice and tried to stuff more paper in the printer during the print job, jamming it. I got it restarted, but this may have glitched something in the MailStation, because once I got it back to Mom's, one of her groups stopped working and would freeze the machine. We suspect a problem in the flash memory, like when you pull your jump drive out of the USB port as it's being accessed. I was leaving that day and didn't have time to mess with it. So, so she has had two people look at it since - a young computer geek and an old-time computer guru, and trying to fix it for her. The young guy had limited time but agreed with the "flash memory" diagnosis. The old guy spent hours, alone, and on the phone with India, trying to fix the problem. Now, apparently NONE of the groups are working at all and they cannot set up any new mail groups. Anybody have any ideas what's wrong or how to fix it without the Indians being involved? Thanks. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. --Apple-Mail-9-742789239 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Whoa! That sounds a wee bit fishy, if = you don't mind the Canadian vernacular. If a 'Group' worked, the others sho= uld if the others still have 'valid'=A0addresses=A0with no defects (typos) = in them. Possible?=A0Remember, it's only a=A0computer. It's not that smart,= eh.

          Yeah, I understand. My Mom is back in Florida (but = now on-line) and I'm in Toronto. But I have amy own MailStation to play wit= h, now. And I am.......
          Hey, I'm our organization's Guru and this= is testing ME. And I beat you with a=A02,182 km separation. Ha!


          Please consider the environment before printing th= is email note.

          Patrick Forbes
          121 Lafayette Boulevard
          Whitby, O= ntario
          L1P 1S4
          905-666-0378



          On 21-Apr-08, at 21:34 , Jon James wrote:

          I'm 900 miles from the = machine.=A0 However, I recall she had three groups set up.=A0 Two of them s= till worked, but any attempt to access the third locked up the machine, req= uiring the "pinhole" reset.=A0 I suggested she just abandon the "bad" group= , rename it something similar, and start the bad group over.=A0 Apparently,= it wouldn't let them set up any new groups, and after the tech friend and = the Indians finished messing with it, NONE of the groups would work anymore= and it won't let them set up new groups, only individuals (which had to al= l be re-input manually - apparenlty the Indians wiped everything).=A0 As fa= r as what they are telling me, groups just "don't work" anymore.=A0 It's ha= rd for me, from here and dealing with a 90-year-old non-geek, to tell exact= ly what's going on.

          =
          = "Who a= m I that You are mindful of me?"=A0
          =A0 (Based on Psalms 8:= 4)



          --- On= Mon, 4/21/08, Patrick Forbes <patrickforbes@...> wrote:
          F= rom: Patrick Forbes <patrickfor= bes@...>
          Subject: Re: Any Ideas about this problem?
          To: musicalman77@...
          Cc: mailstation@yahoogroups.com<= br>Date: Monday, April 21, 2008, 8:14 PM

          = When I boot my MailStation and select 'Address Book' and press 'New,' a cho= ice of Individual or Groups appears. Select 'Groups' and name it. It will t= hen show the whole 'Groups' list to pick and choose from. Press 'Add' and t= he Address Book list will appear from which you may pick the Groups 'Member= s' you wish to add to that group.
          Take a look.

          P= lease consider the environment before printing this email note.
          =
          Patrick

          On 21-Apr-08, at 20:43 , Jon Jam= es wrote:

          They've tried reset= ting EVERYTHING (both remotely by the Indians and locally including the "pi= nhole" reset) and the groups still refuse to function, which is what leads = us to believe in the "bad flash memory sector" theory.=A0 Maybe the whole m= emory needs to be reformatted, and that's probably something only the India= ns can do (if they even can).
          --- On Mon, 4/21/08, Patrick Subject: Re: Any Ideas about this problem?
          To: music= alman77@...
          Date: Monday, April 21, 2008, 7:21 PM

          Her 'Groups' will most certainly need to be re-programm= ed, I'm sorry to say. Please remember the KISS Principle. I'm pretty sure s= he'll enjoy a fully functional MailStation a bit more than the Web on TV. M= ight be too many buttons to remember to push in the right order.

          <= /div>
          Yup. Mom is back on line. Just a stupid typo. Dumb indians!
          =

          So far, BasicISP is working with me to test their serv= ers.......

          Please consider the environment before pri= nting this email note.

          Patrick

          On 21-Apr-08, at 19:51 , Jon James wrote:

          Wow, Patrick.=A0 Thanks for the tech info.=A0 As it stands= right now, the machine and service are WORKING for individual e-mails, jus= t not groups, so she's content for now.=A0 If I visit Ohio this summer, I m= ay try this stuff.=A0 I have an old WebTV box and may take that with me and= set her up with that.=A0 She would have e-mail AND full web access for the= same annual service fee as the Earthlink e-mail thing.=A0 Hope you got you= r mom all fixed up too.=A0

          Don't worry - I won't publish this anywher= e, just print it out for my own use.=A0

          Jon

          --- On Sun, 4/20/08= , Patrick=A0wrote:
          From: Patrick
          Subject: = Re: Any Ideas about this problem?
          To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com=
          Cc: musicalman77@..., djgizmo1@...
          Date: Sun= day, April 20, 2008, 12:31 PM

          Don't waste= any more of your time with Earthlink. Attention (Product Life) spans are t= oo short. No company wants to seriously=A0support=A0anything more than five= (5) years old, nowadays. We're pretty much on our own here. I just learned= Cidco, who made the thing, filed for bankruptcy this past January. My call= s and faxes to them for their engineering assistance went unanswered and I = expect the letter I posted to them a week ago will be coming back soon, too= .

          Regardless of your choices, chances you will lose al= l programmed data are pretty great. Please write down ALL programming infor= mation. Start with 'Extras', 'Settings' then 'Details' and ensure you've no= =A0typos. You will most certainly be asked to "Create New User" where you'l= l need to type it all in just as you saw it:

          User Name:=A0
          Dial Up Number:=A0
          E-mail address:= =A0
          E-mail Password:=A0
          POP3 Server:=A0
          SM= TP Server:=A0
          ISP Account:=A0
          ISP Password: =A0
          =
          Primary DNS:
          =A0
          I photocopied all the screens = and filed the copies for posterity. Six years later I needed them!

          Press FN, Shift and T with one hand and stick a pin in t= he Reset hole in the back. The Diagnostic Menu will appear.

          =
          Press the 3 for the F/A Tester. The five grey keys aren't operational= . Select the test of your choice. Start with Fast Test. When it's done pres= s the Reset again to get back to the Diag.... screen. Press Q to return the= machine to operational status

          If anyone else ha= s=A0additional=A0tricks to share along this line, please don't be shy. I ha= ve a working machine I can experiment with at will.

          <= div>Verizon ($8.95/m), Look ($4.95/m), BasicISP and Mid-Maine have all said= they 'may' be able to provide service. I'm waiting for more info from them= to set up a trial with each on my machine.

          More= later.....

          Please consider the environment before pr= inting this email note.

          <= /div>
          Patrick

          musicalman77" music= alman77@... musicalman77
          =A0 =A0 Dat= e: Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:56 pm ((PDT))

          Good luck with getting an= y kind of help out of Earthlink's big-wigs.=A0
          I think they are trying h= ard to wash their hands of MailStation. My
          mom, also 90, had a problem with her machine.=A0 A friend who use to
          wo= rk computer models four levels down from the (U.S.) President was
          there the other day trying to remedy the trouble.=A0 He also spent about
          3 hours on the phone with..."those fools in India"= (nicely put!) and
          all to no avail.=A0 When pressed for information on r= epair or
          replacement, they got rude.
          =

          So, I tried the online chat with Earthlink CS.=A0 After confirming the
          persistent rumor that there are no NEW MailStation accounts being
          established, they just kept referring me to= the 800 number (aka "fools
          in India") and= ASSURING me these folks would help.= =A0 I kept insisting
          we'd already t= ried that, and the argument became circular and a
          standoff.=A0 So, I ask= ed, "Well, what about repair or replacement"
          (which they have done in the past) and was told, "She can buy a new
          unit on her own."=A0 When I said that I understood that accounts were
          =
          not being transferred to new machines, I was ref= erred to... you
          guessed it... the fools in= India.=A0 I finally gave up a= nd told her
          "Thanks for nothing."

          Mom's only trouble is that she can no longer send to groups, and any<= /div>
          attempt to access her former groups freeze= s up the machine and it has
          to be reset.=A0 We suspect a bad spot in the= flash memory.=A0 I told her
          to just live with sending individual e-mail= s or do her group people
          from individual e= -mail (I think you can do three recipients at a time)
          and be glad the thing is still working at all, since she just r= e-upped
          for another year on the service.

          I guess if the thing breaks, I'll hook her up with my old WebT= V unit
          (which is now MSN TV) and hope she = can learn to use it.
          --- In mailstation@...= m, "Patrick=A0wrote:

          An update= :

          3 hours on the phone with about a dozen attempts got accou= nt turned
          back on despite=A0
          those incompetent fools in India and MailStat= ion resumed operation.
          That w= as all that was=A0
          wrong with her original un= it.

          Anyone have an actual address, telephone number and a big= wig's name
          of Earthlink's HQ<= span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0
          wherever it is? I need compensation for th= ese many months of no
          service= , grief and=A0
          frustration at the hands of th= ose imbeciles they insist on calling
          agents.




          Messages in this topic (10)
          _= _______________________________________________________________________
          1b. Re: Mailstation 5 months off line
          <= div style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">=A0 =A0 Posted by: "Marcus Herrera" djgizmo1@... djgizmo1
          =A0 =A0 Da= te: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:26 pm ((PDT))

          Talk about dealing those= people. I was doing a system board replacement.=A0
          I called and was tra= nsfered to them. I was getting upset because I=A0
          couldn't understand wh= at they were saying. They could understand my=A0
          name, asked me to spell= it out several times. Getting it wrong. I ended=A0
          hanging up on them a= nd call back hoping on getting a different person.=A0
          Man how can't you = not understand the name "marcus". Off shore call=A0
          centers sucks!!!
          gizmo on sidekick


          Messages in this topic (10)
          ______________________________________________= __________________________
          _______________= _________________________________________________________
          2. Any Ideas about this problem?
          =A0 =A0 Posted by: "mu= sicalman77" musicalman77@... musicalman77
          =A0 =A0 Date: Sat = Apr 19, 2008 3:09 pm ((PDT))

          I posted in part about this in t= he reply to Patrick, but would like
          your i= deas on any way to fix this problem (and like him, I'm in OK and
          the machine is in OH, but I may visit there mid-summ= er).

          When I was visiting in December, I took the machine over= to a friend's
          house because she had an ol= d parallel-port printer.=A0 I = wanted to print
          out Mom's address book for= two reasons: 1) a planned e-mail
          announce= ment by my sister to Mom's friends for her 90th birthday card
          shower, and 2) paper backup in case her machine ever go= t wiped, as it
          did once before.=A0 (You'd THINK they'd have a way to bac= k up the
          address book to the associated Ea= rthLink webmail account, but that'd
          be far= too easy...)

          =
          Mom's only trouble is that she can no longer se= nd to groups, and any
          attempt to access he= r former groups freezes up the machine and it has
          to be reset. We suspect a bad spot in the flash memory. I told her<= /div>
          to just live with sending individual e-mai= ls or do her group people
          from individual = e-mail (I think you can do three recipients at a time)
          and be glad the thing is still working at all, since she just = re-upped
          for another year on the service.<= /div>

          Well, in the course of printing out the address book, this id= iot
          friend ignored my advice and tried to = stuff more paper in the printer
          during the= print job, jamming it.=A0 I g= ot it restarted, but this may
          have glitche= d something in the MailStation, because once I got it back
          to Mom's, one of her groups stopped working and would free= ze the
          machine.=A0 We suspect a problem in the flash memory, like when y= ou pull
          your jump drive out of the USB por= t as it's being accessed.=A0 I= was
          leaving that day and didn't have time= to mess with it.=A0 So, so sh= e has
          had two people look at it since - a = young computer geek and an
          old-time comput= er guru, and trying to fix it for her.=A0 The young guy
          had limited time= but agreed with the "flash memory" diagnosis.=A0 The
          old guy spent hour= s, alone, and on the phone with India, trying to fix
          the problem.=A0 Now= , apparently NONE of the groups are working at all
          and they cannot set up any new mail groups.

          Anybody = have any ideas what's wrong or how to fix it without the
          Indians being involved?

          Thanks.
          <= /div>
          <= /div>

          Be a better frien= d, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.

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X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28986 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2008 03:04:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Apr 2008 03:04:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtpoutm.mac.com) (17.148.16.80) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2008 03:04:34 -0000 X-Received: from mac.com (asmtp002-s [10.150.69.65]) by smtpoutm.mac.com (Xserve/smtpout017/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m3Q34Ynu003039 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:04:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from [70.52.134.8] (bas17-toronto12-1177847304.dsl.bell.ca [70.52.134.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/asmtp002/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m3Q34Ujo025893 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:04:30 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <1208865479.4309.85617.m46@yahoogroups.com> References: <1208865479.4309.85617.m46@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--1056364887 Message-Id: <39E8E08D-7022-4725-9F07-A9352C0DDB58@...> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:04:28 -0400 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Patrick Forbes Subject: Re: Setting it up with a different ISP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115733964; y=ABl_skOAGAVYTpJNMm-F2iVFcUbA5hKiDtXO592xGhloUw X-Yahoo-Profile: forbesp Status: RO Content-Length: 63356 Lines: 1275 --Apple-Mail-2--1056364887 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I DID IT!!!!! Of the three ISP outfits that actually replied to me, only one finally came through. Offered a 30 day Money back guarantee, to boot! I wiped the ROM then, Press Power, Fn + Shift + T + Reset pin, then '3: F/A Tester' then '6: Flash test'. When done, press Back then Q. It then asks for Reset queries which you ignore as all was wiped any way. You'll then get: "Please create a new user account." press Enter. Then you fill in each field carefully: User Name: Your name Dial Up Number: supplied by the ISP dashes are for convention and are ignored by systems Reply -To: skip this if you'd like E-mail address: you@... E-mail Password: password POP3 Server: mail.basicisp.net SMTP Server: mail.basicisp.net ISP Account: you@... ISP Password: password Primary DNS: 65.247.64.21 The information is supplied in a really strange file that Notepad could open. Please consider the environment before printing this email note. Patrick Forbes 121 Lafayette Boulevard Whitby, Ontario L1P 1S4 905-666-0378 On 22-Apr-08, at 07:57 , mailstation@yahoogroups.com wrote: There are 3 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1a. Re: Any Ideas about this problem? From: wayne markis 1b. Re: Any Ideas about this problem? From: Patrick Forbes 1c. Re: Any Ideas about this problem? From: Patrick Forbes Messages ________________________________________________________________________ 1a. Re: Any Ideas about this problem? Posted by: "wayne markis" waynem@... iwireless2001 Date: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:00 am ((PDT)) The problem is that you can do that with the smaller mailstations, but you can't do most of this with the model 350, which is the only one that will allow you to get email graphics, and print in color. Although the Model 350 has more memory, it also has more security for locking you from getting in to work on it. It requires that it get an email from Earthlink to program itself and move to a working account. The "special" email has MIME control characters in it, which can not be sent over the internet thru other ISP's since they are filtered out. Only a direct connection to the ISP (Earthlink) will allow these characters to be received by the machine. The machine goes to a special account on Earthlink, which is the serial number of the machine @earthlink . It receives the special encoded message, and then changes to "Your" account. You can not send a message to these "Special" accounts, Earthlink will not pass the message. But you CAN log into these accounts, and see what the mailstation is getting, except for the special characters, which you won't see or be able to print out. You would think that Earthlink would be happy to add customers using these mailstations, but that does not seem to be the case ??? If you think the Indian call center is bad, wait a few more years until Earthlink finds a cheaper place to hire labor, and then they move it from India to there !!! As the big shots are making their millions at the top !!! Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Patrick Forbes Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 10:32 AM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Cc: musicalman77@...; djgizmo1@... Subject: [mailstation] Re: Any Ideas about this problem? Don't waste any more of your time with Earthlink. Attention (Product Life) spans are too short. No company wants to seriously support anything more than five (5) years old, nowadays. We're pretty much on our own here. I just learned Cidco, who made the thing, filed for bankruptcy this past January. My calls and faxes to them for their engineering assistance went unanswered and I expect the letter I posted to them a week ago will be coming back soon, too. Regardless of your choices, chances you will lose all programmed data are pretty great. Please write down ALL programming information. Start with 'Extras', 'Settings' then 'Details' and ensure you've no typos. You will most certainly be asked to "Create New User" where you'll need to type it all in just as you saw it: User Name: Dial Up Number: E-mail address: E-mail Password: POP3 Server: SMTP Server: ISP Account: ISP Password: Primary DNS: I photocopied all the screens and filed the copies for posterity. Six years later I needed them! Press FN, Shift and T with one hand and stick a pin in the Reset hole in the back. The Diagnostic Menu will appear. Press the 3 for the F/A Tester. The five grey keys aren't operational. Select the test of your choice. Start with Fast Test. When it's done press the Reset again to get back to the Diag.... screen. Press Q to return the machine to operational status If anyone else has additional tricks to share along this line, please don't be shy. I have a working machine I can experiment with at will. Verizon ($8.95/m), Look ($4.95/m), BasicISP and Mid-Maine have all said they 'may' be able to provide service. I'm waiting for more info from them to set up a trial with each on my machine. More later..... Please consider the environment before printing this email note. Patrick musicalman77" musicalman77@... musicalman77 Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:56 pm ((PDT)) Good luck with getting any kind of help out of Earthlink's big-wigs. I think they are trying hard to wash their hands of MailStation. My mom, also 90, had a problem with her machine. A friend who use to work computer models four levels down from the (U.S.) President was there the other day trying to remedy the trouble. He also spent about 3 hours on the phone with..."those fools in India" (nicely put!) and all to no avail. When pressed for information on repair or replacement, they got rude. So, I tried the online chat with Earthlink CS. After confirming the persistent rumor that there are no NEW MailStation accounts being established, they just kept referring me to the 800 number (aka "fools in India") and ASSURING me these folks would help. I kept insisting we'd already tried that, and the argument became circular and a standoff. So, I asked, "Well, what about repair or replacement" (which they have done in the past) and was told, "She can buy a new unit on her own." When I said that I understood that accounts were not being transferred to new machines, I was referred to... you guessed it... the fools in India. I finally gave up and told her "Thanks for nothing." Mom's only trouble is that she can no longer send to groups, and any attempt to access her former groups freezes up the machine and it has to be reset. We suspect a bad spot in the flash memory. I told her to just live with sending individual e-mails or do her group people from individual e-mail (I think you can do three recipients at a time) and be glad the thing is still working at all, since she just re- upped for another year on the service. I guess if the thing breaks, I'll hook her up with my old WebTV unit (which is now MSN TV) and hope she can learn to use it. --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Forbes" wrote: An update: 3 hours on the phone with about a dozen attempts got account turned back on despite those incompetent fools in India and MailStation resumed operation. That was all that was wrong with her original unit. Anyone have an actual address, telephone number and a bigwig's name of Earthlink's HQ wherever it is? I need compensation for these many months of no service, grief and frustration at the hands of those imbeciles they insist on calling agents. Messages in this topic (10) ________________________________________________________________________ 1b. Re: Mailstation 5 months off line Posted by: "Marcus Herrera" djgizmo1@... djgizmo1 Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:26 pm ((PDT)) Talk about dealing those people. I was doing a system board replacement. I called and was transfered to them. I was getting upset because I couldn't understand what they were saying. They could understand my name, asked me to spell it out several times. Getting it wrong. I ended hanging up on them and call back hoping on getting a different person. Man how can't you not understand the name "marcus". Off shore call centers sucks!!! gizmo on sidekick Messages in this topic (10) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ 2. Any Ideas about this problem? Posted by: "musicalman77" musicalman77@... musicalman77 Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:09 pm ((PDT)) I posted in part about this in the reply to Patrick, but would like your ideas on any way to fix this problem (and like him, I'm in OK and the machine is in OH, but I may visit there mid-summer). When I was visiting in December, I took the machine over to a friend's house because she had an old parallel-port printer. I wanted to print out Mom's address book for two reasons: 1) a planned e-mail announcement by my sister to Mom's friends for her 90th birthday card shower, and 2) paper backup in case her machine ever got wiped, as it did once before. (You'd THINK they'd have a way to back up the address book to the associated EarthLink webmail account, but that'd be far too easy...) Mom's only trouble is that she can no longer send to groups, and any attempt to access her former groups freezes up the machine and it has to be reset. We suspect a bad spot in the flash memory. I told her to just live with sending individual e-mails or do her group people from individual e-mail (I think you can do three recipients at a time) and be glad the thing is still working at all, since she just re- upped for another year on the service. Well, in the course of printing out the address book, this idiot friend ignored my advice and tried to stuff more paper in the printer during the print job, jamming it. I got it restarted, but this may have glitched something in the MailStation, because once I got it back to Mom's, one of her groups stopped working and would freeze the machine. We suspect a problem in the flash memory, like when you pull your jump drive out of the USB port as it's being accessed. I was leaving that day and didn't have time to mess with it. So, so she has had two people look at it since - a young computer geek and an old-time computer guru, and trying to fix it for her. The young guy had limited time but agreed with the "flash memory" diagnosis. The old guy spent hours, alone, and on the phone with India, trying to fix the problem. Now, apparently NONE of the groups are working at all and they cannot set up any new mail groups. Anybody have any ideas what's wrong or how to fix it without the Indians being involved? Thanks. Messages in this topic (5) ________________________________________________________________________ 1b. Re: Any Ideas about this problem? Posted by: "Patrick Forbes" patrickforbes@... forbesp Date: Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:15 pm ((PDT)) When I boot my MailStation and select 'Address Book' and press 'New,' a choice of Individual or Groups appears. Select 'Groups' and name it. It will then show the whole 'Groups' list to pick and choose from. Press 'Add' and the Address Book list will appear from which you may pick the Groups 'Members' you wish to add to that group. Take a look. Please consider the environment before printing this email note. Patrick On 21-Apr-08, at 20:43 , Jon James wrote: They've tried resetting EVERYTHING (both remotely by the Indians and locally including the "pinhole" reset) and the groups still refuse to function, which is what leads us to believe in the "bad flash memory sector" theory. Maybe the whole memory needs to be reformatted, and that's probably something only the Indians can do (if they even can). --- On Mon, 4/21/08, Patrick Subject: Re: Any Ideas about this problem? To: musicalman77@... Date: Monday, April 21, 2008, 7:21 PM Her 'Groups' will most certainly need to be re-programmed, I'm sorry to say. Please remember the KISS Principle. I'm pretty sure she'll enjoy a fully functional MailStation a bit more than the Web on TV. Might be too many buttons to remember to push in the right order. Yup. Mom is back on line. Just a stupid typo. Dumb indians! So far, BasicISP is working with me to test their servers....... Please consider the environment before printing this email note. Patrick On 21-Apr-08, at 19:51 , Jon James wrote: Wow, Patrick. Thanks for the tech info. As it stands right now, the machine and service are WORKING for individual e-mails, just not groups, so she's content for now. If I visit Ohio this summer, I may try this stuff. I have an old WebTV box and may take that with me and set her up with that. She would have e-mail AND full web access for the same annual service fee as the Earthlink e-mail thing. Hope you got your mom all fixed up too. Don't worry - I won't publish this anywhere, just print it out for my own use. Jon --- On Sun, 4/20/08, Patrick wrote: From: Patrick Subject: Re: Any Ideas about this problem? To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Cc: musicalman77@..., djgizmo1@... Date: Sunday, April 20, 2008, 12:31 PM Don't waste any more of your time with Earthlink. Attention (Product Life) spans are too short. No company wants to seriously support anything more than five (5) years old, nowadays. We're pretty much on our own here. I just learned Cidco, who made the thing, filed for bankruptcy this past January. My calls and faxes to them for their engineering assistance went unanswered and I expect the letter I posted to them a week ago will be coming back soon, too. Regardless of your choices, chances you will lose all programmed data are pretty great. Please write down ALL programming information. Start with 'Extras', 'Settings' then 'Details' and ensure you've no typos. You will most certainly be asked to "Create New User" where you'll need to type it all in just as you saw it: User Name: Dial Up Number: E-mail address: E-mail Password: POP3 Server: SMTP Server: ISP Account: ISP Password: Primary DNS: I photocopied all the screens and filed the copies for posterity. Six years later I needed them! Press FN, Shift and T with one hand and stick a pin in the Reset hole in the back. The Diagnostic Menu will appear. Press the 3 for the F/A Tester. The five grey keys aren't operational. Select the test of your choice. Start with Fast Test. When it's done press the Reset again to get back to the Diag.... screen. Press Q to return the machine to operational status If anyone else has additional tricks to share along this line, please don't be shy. I have a working machine I can experiment with at will. Verizon ($8.95/m), Look ($4.95/m), BasicISP and Mid-Maine have all said they 'may' be able to provide service. I'm waiting for more info from them to set up a trial with each on my machine. More later..... Please consider the environment before printing this email note. Patrick musicalman77" musicalman77@... musicalman77 Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:56 pm ((PDT)) Good luck with getting any kind of help out of Earthlink's big-wigs. I think they are trying hard to wash their hands of MailStation. My mom, also 90, had a problem with her machine. A friend who use to work computer models four levels down from the (U.S.) President was there the other day trying to remedy the trouble. He also spent about 3 hours on the phone with..."those fools in India" (nicely put!) and all to no avail. When pressed for information on repair or replacement, they got rude. So, I tried the online chat with Earthlink CS. After confirming the persistent rumor that there are no NEW MailStation accounts being established, they just kept referring me to the 800 number (aka "fools in India") and ASSURING me these folks would help. I kept insisting we'd already tried that, and the argument became circular and a standoff. So, I asked, "Well, what about repair or replacement" (which they have done in the past) and was told, "She can buy a new unit on her own." When I said that I understood that accounts were not being transferred to new machines, I was referred to... you guessed it... the fools in India. I finally gave up and told her "Thanks for nothing." Mom's only trouble is that she can no longer send to groups, and any attempt to access her former groups freezes up the machine and it has to be reset. We suspect a bad spot in the flash memory. I told her to just live with sending individual e-mails or do her group people from individual e-mail (I think you can do three recipients at a time) and be glad the thing is still working at all, since she just re-upped for another year on the service. I guess if the thing breaks, I'll hook her up with my old WebTV unit (which is now MSN TV) and hope she can learn to use it. --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick wrote: > > An update: > > 3 hours on the phone with about a dozen attempts got account turned back on despite > those incompetent fools in India and MailStation resumed operation. That was all that was > wrong with her original unit. > > Anyone have an actual address, telephone number and a bigwig's name of Earthlink's HQ > wherever it is? I need compensation for these many months of no service, grief and > frustration at the hands of those imbeciles they insist on calling agents. > Messages in this topic (10) ________________________________________________________________________ 1b. Re: Mailstation 5 months off line Posted by: "Marcus Herrera" djgizmo1@... djgizmo1 Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:26 pm ((PDT)) Talk about dealing those people. I was doing a system board replacement. I called and was transfered to them. I was getting upset because I couldn't understand what they were saying. They could understand my name, asked me to spell it out several times. Getting it wrong. I ended hanging up on them and call back hoping on getting a different person. Man how can't you not understand the name "marcus". Off shore call centers sucks!!! gizmo on sidekick Messages in this topic (10) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ 2. Any Ideas about this problem? Posted by: "musicalman77" musicalman77@... musicalman77 Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:09 pm ((PDT)) I posted in part about this in the reply to Patrick, but would like your ideas on any way to fix this problem (and like him, I'm in OK and the machine is in OH, but I may visit there mid-summer). When I was visiting in December, I took the machine over to a friend's house because she had an old parallel-port printer. I wanted to print out Mom's address book for two reasons: 1) a planned e-mail announcement by my sister to Mom's friends for her 90th birthday card shower, and 2) paper backup in case her machine ever got wiped, as it did once before. (You'd THINK they'd have a way to back up the address book to the associated EarthLink webmail account, but that'd be far too easy...) Mom's only trouble is that she can no longer send to groups, and any attempt to access her former groups freezes up the machine and it has to be reset. We suspect a bad spot in the flash memory. I told her to just live with sending individual e-mails or do her group people from individual e-mail (I think you can do three recipients at a time) and be glad the thing is still working at all, since she just re-upped for another year on the service. Well, in the course of printing out the address book, this idiot friend ignored my advice and tried to stuff more paper in the printer during the print job, jamming it. I got it restarted, but this may have glitched something in the MailStation, because once I got it back to Mom's, one of her groups stopped working and would freeze the machine. We suspect a problem in the flash memory, like when you pull your jump drive out of the USB port as it's being accessed. I was leaving that day and didn't have time to mess with it. So, so she has had two people look at it since - a young computer geek and an old-time computer guru, and trying to fix it for her. The young guy had limited time but agreed with the "flash memory" diagnosis. The old guy spent hours, alone, and on the phone with India, trying to fix the problem. Now, apparently NONE of the groups are working at all and they cannot set up any new mail groups. Anybody have any ideas what's wrong or how to fix it without the Indians being involved? Thanks. Messages in this topic (5) ________________________________________________________________________ 1c. Re: Any Ideas about this problem? Posted by: "Patrick Forbes" patrickforbes@... forbesp Date: Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:19 pm ((PDT)) Whoa! That sounds a wee bit fishy, if you don't mind the Canadian vernacular. If a 'Group' worked, the others should if the others still have 'valid' addresses with no defects (typos) in them. Possible? Remember, it's only a computer. It's not that smart, eh. Yeah, I understand. My Mom is back in Florida (but now on-line) and I'm in Toronto. But I have amy own MailStation to play with, now. And I am....... Hey, I'm our organization's Guru and this is testing ME. And I beat you with a 2,182 km separation. Ha! Please consider the environment before printing this email note. Patrick Forbes 121 Lafayette Boulevard Whitby, Ontario L1P 1S4 905-666-0378 On 21-Apr-08, at 21:34 , Jon James wrote: I'm 900 miles from the machine. However, I recall she had three groups set up. Two of them still worked, but any attempt to access the third locked up the machine, requiring the "pinhole" reset. I suggested she just abandon the "bad" group, rename it something similar, and start the bad group over. Apparently, it wouldn't let them set up any new groups, and after the tech friend and the Indians finished messing with it, NONE of the groups would work anymore and it won't let them set up new groups, only individuals (which had to all be re-input manually - apparenlty the Indians wiped everything). As far as what they are telling me, groups just "don't work" anymore. It's hard for me, from here and dealing with a 90-year-old non-geek, to tell exactly what's going on. "Who am I that You are mindful of me?" (Based on Psalms 8:4) --- On Mon, 4/21/08, Patrick Forbes wrote: From: Patrick Forbes Subject: Re: Any Ideas about this problem? To: musicalman77@... Cc: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2008, 8:14 PM When I boot my MailStation and select 'Address Book' and press 'New,' a choice of Individual or Groups appears. Select 'Groups' and name it. It will then show the whole 'Groups' list to pick and choose from. Press 'Add' and the Address Book list will appear from which you may pick the Groups 'Members' you wish to add to that group. Take a look. Please consider the environment before printing this email note. Patrick On 21-Apr-08, at 20:43 , Jon James wrote: They've tried resetting EVERYTHING (both remotely by the Indians and locally including the "pinhole" reset) and the groups still refuse to function, which is what leads us to believe in the "bad flash memory sector" theory. Maybe the whole memory needs to be reformatted, and that's probably something only the Indians can do (if they even can). --- On Mon, 4/21/08, Patrick Subject: Re: Any Ideas about this problem? To: musicalman77@... Date: Monday, April 21, 2008, 7:21 PM Her 'Groups' will most certainly need to be re-programmed, I'm sorry to say. Please remember the KISS Principle. I'm pretty sure she'll enjoy a fully functional MailStation a bit more than the Web on TV. Might be too many buttons to remember to push in the right order. Yup. Mom is back on line. Just a stupid typo. Dumb indians! So far, BasicISP is working with me to test their servers....... Please consider the environment before printing this email note. Patrick On 21-Apr-08, at 19:51 , Jon James wrote: Wow, Patrick. Thanks for the tech info. As it stands right now, the machine and service are WORKING for individual e-mails, just not groups, so she's content for now. If I visit Ohio this summer, I may try this stuff. I have an old WebTV box and may take that with me and set her up with that. She would have e-mail AND full web access for the same annual service fee as the Earthlink e-mail thing. Hope you got your mom all fixed up too. Don't worry - I won't publish this anywhere, just print it out for my own use. Jon --- On Sun, 4/20/08, Patrick wrote: From: Patrick Subject: Re: Any Ideas about this problem? To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Cc: musicalman77@..., djgizmo1@... Date: Sunday, April 20, 2008, 12:31 PM Don't waste any more of your time with Earthlink. Attention (Product Life) spans are too short. No company wants to seriously support anything more than five (5) years old, nowadays. We're pretty much on our own here. I just learned Cidco, who made the thing, filed for bankruptcy this past January. My calls and faxes to them for their engineering assistance went unanswered and I expect the letter I posted to them a week ago will be coming back soon, too. Regardless of your choices, chances you will lose all programmed data are pretty great. Please write down ALL programming information. Start with 'Extras', 'Settings' then 'Details' and ensure you've no typos. You will most certainly be asked to "Create New User" where you'll need to type it all in just as you saw it: User Name: Dial Up Number: E-mail address: E-mail Password: POP3 Server: SMTP Server: ISP Account: ISP Password: Primary DNS: I photocopied all the screens and filed the copies for posterity. Six years later I needed them! Press FN, Shift and T with one hand and stick a pin in the Reset hole in the back. The Diagnostic Menu will appear. Press the 3 for the F/A Tester. The five grey keys aren't operational. Select the test of your choice. Start with Fast Test. When it's done press the Reset again to get back to the Diag.... screen. Press Q to return the machine to operational status If anyone else has additional tricks to share along this line, please don't be shy. I have a working machine I can experiment with at will. Verizon ($8.95/m), Look ($4.95/m), BasicISP and Mid-Maine have all said they 'may' be able to provide service. I'm waiting for more info from them to set up a trial with each on my machine. More later..... Please consider the environment before printing this email note. Patrick musicalman77" musicalman77@... musicalman77 Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:56 pm ((PDT)) Good luck with getting any kind of help out of Earthlink's big-wigs. I think they are trying hard to wash their hands of MailStation. My mom, also 90, had a problem with her machine. A friend who use to work computer models four levels down from the (U.S.) President was there the other day trying to remedy the trouble. He also spent about 3 hours on the phone with..."those fools in India" (nicely put!) and all to no avail. When pressed for information on repair or replacement, they got rude. So, I tried the online chat with Earthlink CS. After confirming the persistent rumor that there are no NEW MailStation accounts being established, they just kept referring me to the 800 number (aka "fools in India") and ASSURING me these folks would help. I kept insisting we'd already tried that, and the argument became circular and a standoff. So, I asked, "Well, what about repair or replacement" (which they have done in the past) and was told, "She can buy a new unit on her own." When I said that I understood that accounts were not being transferred to new machines, I was referred to... you guessed it... the fools in India. I finally gave up and told her "Thanks for nothing." Mom's only trouble is that she can no longer send to groups, and any attempt to access her former groups freezes up the machine and it has to be reset. We suspect a bad spot in the flash memory. I told her to just live with sending individual e-mails or do her group people from individual e-mail (I think you can do three recipients at a time) and be glad the thing is still working at all, since she just re-upped for another year on the service. I guess if the thing breaks, I'll hook her up with my old WebTV unit (which is now MSN TV) and hope she can learn to use it. --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick wrote: > > An update: > > 3 hours on the phone with about a dozen attempts got account turned back on despite > those incompetent fools in India and MailStation resumed operation. That was all that was > wrong with her original unit. > > Anyone have an actual address, telephone number and a bigwig's name of Earthlink's HQ > wherever it is? I need compensation for these many months of no service, grief and > frustration at the hands of those imbeciles they insist on calling agents. > Messages in this topic (10) ________________________________________________________________________ 1b. Re: Mailstation 5 months off line Posted by: "Marcus Herrera" djgizmo1@... djgizmo1 Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:26 pm ((PDT)) Talk about dealing those people. I was doing a system board replacement. I called and was transfered to them. I was getting upset because I couldn't understand what they were saying. They could understand my name, asked me to spell it out several times. Getting it wrong. I ended hanging up on them and call back hoping on getting a different person. Man how can't you not understand the name "marcus". Off shore call centers sucks!!! gizmo on sidekick Messages in this topic (10) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ 2. Any Ideas about this problem? Posted by: "musicalman77" musicalman77@... musicalman77 Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:09 pm ((PDT)) I posted in part about this in the reply to Patrick, but would like your ideas on any way to fix this problem (and like him, I'm in OK and the machine is in OH, but I may visit there mid-summer). When I was visiting in December, I took the machine over to a friend's house because she had an old parallel-port printer. I wanted to print out Mom's address book for two reasons: 1) a planned e-mail announcement by my sister to Mom's friends for her 90th birthday card shower, and 2) paper backup in case her machine ever got wiped, as it did once before. (You'd THINK they'd have a way to back up the address book to the associated EarthLink webmail account, but that'd be far too easy...) Mom's only trouble is that she can no longer send to groups, and any attempt to access her former groups freezes up the machine and it has to be reset. We suspect a bad spot in the flash memory. I told her to just live with sending individual e-mails or do her group people from individual e-mail (I think you can do three recipients at a time) and be glad the thing is still working at all, since she just re-upped for another year on the service. Well, in the course of printing out the address book, this idiot friend ignored my advice and tried to stuff more paper in the printer during the print job, jamming it. I got it restarted, but this may have glitched something in the MailStation, because once I got it back to Mom's, one of her groups stopped working and would freeze the machine. We suspect a problem in the flash memory, like when you pull your jump drive out of the USB port as it's being accessed. I was leaving that day and didn't have time to mess with it. So, so she has had two people look at it since - a young computer geek and an old-time computer guru, and trying to fix it for her. The young guy had limited time but agreed with the "flash memory" diagnosis. The old guy spent hours, alone, and on the phone with India, trying to fix the problem. Now, apparently NONE of the groups are working at all and they cannot set up any new mail groups. Anybody have any ideas what's wrong or how to fix it without the Indians being involved? Thanks. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Messages in this topic (5) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --Apple-Mail-2--1056364887 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I DID IT!!!!!

          Of t= he three ISP outfits that actually replied to me, only one finally came thr= ough. Offered a 30 day Money back=A0guarantee, to boot!
          I wiped t= he ROM then,
          Press Power, Fn + Shift + T<= /b> + Reset pin, then '3: F/A Tester' then '6: Flash t= est'. When done, press Back then Q. It then asks for Reset qu= eries which you ignore as all was wiped any way. You'll then get:
          "Please create a new user account." press Enter.
          Then you= fill in each field carefully:

          User Name: You= r name
          Dial Up Number: supplied by the ISP dashes are for convent= ion and are ignored by systems
          Reply -To: skip this if you'd like=
          E-mail address: you@basicisp= .net
          E-mail Password: password
          POP3 Server: mail.ba= sicisp.net
          SMTP Server: mail.basicisp.net
          ISP Account: = you@...
          ISP Pass= word:=A0password=A0
          Primary DNS: 65.247.64.21

          The information is supplied in a really strange file that Notepad cou= ld open.

          Please consider the environment before printing = this email note.

          Patrick Forbes
          121 Lafayette Boulevard
          Whitby,= Ontario
          L1P 1S4
          905-666-0378


          =

          On 22-Apr-08, at 07:57 , mailstation@yahoogroups.com wrote:

          There are 3 messages in this issue= .

          Topics in = this digest:

          1a. Re: Any Ideas about this problem? =A0 =A0
          = =A0 =A0 From: wayne markis
          1b. Re: Any Ideas abo= ut this problem? =A0 =A0
          =
          =A0 =A0 From: P= atrick Forbes
          1c. Re: Any Ideas about this problem? =A0 =A0
          =A0 =A0 From: Patrick Forbes
          <= div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin= -left: 0px; min-height: 14px; ">
          =
          Messages
          _____________________= ___________________________________________________
          1a.= Re: Any Ideas about this problem?
          =A0 =A0 Posted by: "wayne markis" waynem@... iwireless2001
          =A0 =A0 Date: Mon Apr = 21, 2008 9:00 am ((PDT))

          The problem is that you can do that with the smaller mailstati= ons,
          but you can't do most of this with the model 350, = which is the
          only one that will allow you to get email = graphics, and print
          in color.

          Although the Model 350 has more memor= y, it also has more
          security for locking you from getti= ng in to work on it.

          It requires that it get an email from Earthlink to program itself<= /div>
          and move to a working account. The "special" email has<= /div>
          MIME control characters in it, which can not be sent ov= er the
          internet thru other ISP's since they are filtere= d out.

          Only = a direct connection to the ISP (Earthlink) will allow these
          characters to be received by the machine.

          The machine goes to a special account on= Earthlink, which is the
          serial number of the machine @= earthlink . It receives the special
          encoded message, an= d then changes to "Your" account.
          You can not send a message to these "Special" account= s, Earthlink
          will not pass the message.=A0 But you CAN log into these accounts,
          =
          and see what the mailstation is getting, except for the spec= ial characters,
          which you won't see or be able to print= out.

          You wo= uld think that Earthlink would be happy to add customers using these
          <= div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin= -left: 0px; ">mailstations, but that does not seem to be the case ???
          =

          If you think the = Indian call center is bad, wait a few more years until
          = Earthlink
          finds a cheaper place to hire labor, and then= they move it from India to
          there !!!

          As the big shots are making= their millions at the top !!!

          Wayne

          =A0 -----Original= Message-----
          =A0= From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On
          =A0 Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 10:32 AM
          =A0 Subject: [mailstation] Re: Any Ideas abo= ut this problem?


          =A0 Don't waste any more of your time with Earthlink. Att= ention (Product Life)
          spans are too short. No company w= ants to seriously support anything more
          than five (5) y= ears old, nowadays. We're pretty much on our own here. I just
          learned Cidco, who made the thing, filed for bankruptcy this past Ja= nuary.
          My calls and faxes to them for their engineering= assistance went unanswered
          and I expect the letter I p= osted to them a week ago will be coming back
          soon, too.=



          = =A0 Regardless of your choices= , chances you will lose all programmed data are
          pretty = great. Please write down ALL programming information. Start with
          'Extras', 'Settings' then 'Details' and ensure you've no typos. Y= ou will
          most certainly be asked to "Create New User" wh= ere you'll need to type it
          all in just as you saw it:


          =A0 User Name:
          = =A0 Dial Up Number:
          =A0 E-mail address:
          =A0 E-mail Password:
          =A0 POP3 Server:
          = =A0 SMTP Server:
          =A0 ISP Account:
          <= div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin= -left: 0px; ">=A0 ISP Password= :
          =A0 Prim= ary DNS:

          =A0 I photocopied all the screens= and filed the copies for posterity. Six
          years later I = needed them!


          =A0 Press FN, Shift and T with one hand and stick a pin in th= e Reset hole in
          the back. The Diagnostic Menu will appe= ar.


          = =A0 Press the 3 for the F/A Tester. The five grey keys aren't operat= ional.
          Select the test of your choice. Start with Fast = Test. When it's done press
          the Reset again to get back = to the Diag.... screen. Press Q to return the
          machine t= o operational status


          =A0 If anyone else has additional tricks to share alo= ng this line, please
          don't be shy. I have a working mac= hine I can experiment with at will.
          <= br>

          =A0 Verizon ($8.95/m), Look ($4.95/m),= BasicISP and Mid-Maine have all said
          they 'may' be abl= e to provide service. I'm waiting for more info from them
          to set up a trial with each on my machine.


          =A0 More later.....
          =


          =A0 = Please consider the environment before printing this email note.


          =
          =A0 Patri= ck


          =A0= musicalman77" musicalman7= 7@... musicalman77
          =A0 =A0 =A0 Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:56 pm ((PDT))
          =


          =A0 = Good luck with getting any kind of help out of Earthlink's big-wigs.
          <= div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin= -left: 0px; ">=A0 I think they= are trying hard to wash their hands of MailStation. My
          =A0 mom, also 90, had a probl= em with her machine.=A0 A frie= nd who use to
          =A0= work computer models four levels down from the (U.S.) President was=
          =A0 there= the other day trying to remedy the trouble.=A0 He also spent about
          =A0 3 hours on the phone with..."those fools in= India" (nicely put!) and
          =A0 all to no avail.= =A0 When pressed for information on repair or
          =A0 replacement, they got rude.<= /div>


          =A0 So, I tried the online chat with Earthlink CS.=A0 After confirming the
          =A0 persistent rumor that there are no = NEW MailStation accounts being
          =A0 established, they just kept referring me to the 80= 0 number (aka "fools
          =A0 in India") and ASSURING me these folks would help.=A0 I kept insisting
          =A0 we'd already tried that, = and the argument became circular and a
          =A0 standoff.=A0 So, I asked, "Well, what about repair or replacement"
          =
          =A0 (which they= have done in the past) and was told, "She can buy a new
          =A0 unit on her own."=A0 When I said that I understood tha= t accounts were
          = =A0 not being transferred to new machines, I was referred to... you<= /div>
          =A0 guesse= d it... the fools in India.=A0 I finally gave up and told her
          =A0 "Thanks for nothing."


          =A0 Mom's only trouble is= that she can no longer send to groups, and any
          =A0 attempt to access her former grou= ps freezes up the machine and it has
          =A0 to be reset.=A0 We suspect a bad spot in the flash memory.=A0 I told her
          =A0 to just live with sending individual = e-mails or do her group people
          =A0 from individual e-mail (I think you can do three r= ecipients at a time)
          =A0 and be glad the thing is still working at all, since she jus= t re-upped
          =A0 for another year on the service.


          =A0 I guess if the thing breaks, I'l= l hook her up with my old WebTV unit
          =A0 (which is now MSN TV) and hope she can learn= to use it.


          X-Sender: patrickforbes@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86538 invoked from network); 27 Apr 2008 18:35:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m44.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Apr 2008 18:35:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtpoutm.mac.com) (17.148.16.78) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2008 18:35:03 -0000 X-Received: from mac.com (asmtp002-s [10.150.69.65]) by smtpoutm.mac.com (Xserve/smtpout015/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m3RIZ3pa011275 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:35:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from [65.95.196.194] (bas17-toronto12-1096795330.dsl.bell.ca [65.95.196.194]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/asmtp002/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m3RIZ07J018682 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <1208865479.4309.85617.m46@yahoogroups.com> References: <1208865479.4309.85617.m46@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9--914134798 Message-Id: <3F3BF235-D777-45F6-A149-D64B2D72EFB2@...> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:34:59 -0400 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Patrick Forbes Subject: Re: Setting it up with a different ISP OUCH! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115733964; y=BZ8CK2NwyAcq7pXwAaY4XRhx5VZF0Ag980IkRJiT4syA0w X-Yahoo-Profile: forbesp Status: RO Content-Length: 6689 Lines: 124 --Apple-Mail-9--914134798 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed My most sincere apologies. I forgot to trim my previous note and add: This applies to the Mivo 100 flavour of the Cidco DETI MailStation, but I'm sure there is a wiping trick of some sort somewhere for the 350 that may accomplish the same thing. Maybe a variation on mine? If you can get to the Diag screen and do a flash test, that should get your Advanced settings open for input. To save yourself the time I took, remember to write down the sequences that didn't work! Attention Gurus out there. Is there a 'Settings, Advanced' page you can get to on the 350? Does it resemble what's below? I DID IT!!!!! E-mails From, To and Replies back and forth to my Mac and my Cell were ALL quite successful. I now feel confident enough to move my mother from Earthlink to BasicISP as Mid Maine is State wide only and Verizon seems to have their call centre in India, too which explains their lack of cooperation with my little request. Of the three ISP outfits that actually replied to me, only one finally came through. Offered a 30 day Money back guarantee, to boot! I wiped the ROM by: Press Power, Fn + Shift + T + Reset pin, then '3: F/A Tester' then '6: Flash test'. When done, press Back then Q. It then asks for Reset queries which you ignore as all was wiped anyway. You'll then get: "Please create a new user account." press Enter. Then you fill in each field VERY carefully as a single typo will mean you start over. The password won't be displayed: User Name: Your name Dial Up Number: supplied by the ISP. Dashes are only for convention and are ignored by the modem. Reply -To: skip this if you'd like E-mail address: you@... E-mail Password: your password shown as ********** POP3 Server: mail.basicisp.net SMTP Server: mail.basicisp.net ISP Account: you@... ISP Password: your password shown as ********** Primary DNS: 65.247.64.21 From them. You gotta ask for this. It's not in that file they send. The information is supplied by BasicISP in a really strange file that only Notepad could open. You glean your required info from it. Please consider the environment before printing this email note. Patrick --Apple-Mail-9--914134798 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 My most sincere=A0apologies. I forgot = to trim my previous note and add:
          This applies to the Mivo 100 flavour = of the Cidco DETI MailStation, but I'm sure there is a wiping trick of some= sort somewhere for the 350 that may accomplish the same thing. Maybe a var= iation on mine?
          If you can get to the Diag screen and do a flash = test, that should get your Advanced settings open for input. To save yourse= lf the time I took, remember to write down the sequences that didn't work!<= /div>

          Attention Gurus out there.

          Is there a 'Settings, Advanced' page you can get to on the 350? Does it r= esemble what's below?

          I DID IT!!!!! E-mails From, To= and Replies back and forth to my Mac and my Cell were ALL quite successful= .

          I now feel confident enough to move my mother fr= om Earthlink to=A0BasicISP=A0as=A0= Mid Maine= =A0is State wide only and=A0Verizon=A0seems to have their call centre in India, too = which explains their lack of cooperation with my little request.
          Of the three ISP outfits that actually replied to me, only one= finally came through. Offered a 30 day Money back=A0guarantee, to boot!
          I wiped the ROM by:
          Press Power, Fn + Sh= ift + T + Reset pin, then '3: F/A Tester' then '6: Flash test'. When done, press Back then Q. It then as= ks for Reset queries which you ignore as all was wiped anyway. You'll then = get:
          "Please create a new user account." press Enter.
          Then you fill in each field VERY carefully as a single typo will mean= you start over. The password won't be displayed:

          =
          User Name: Your name
          Dial Up Number: supplied by the ISP. Da= shes are only for convention and are ignored by the modem.
          Reply = -To: skip this if you'd like
          E-mail address: you@...
          E-mail Password: your passwo= rd=A0shown as **********
          POP3 Server: mail.basicisp.net
          SMTP Server: mail.basicisp.net
          ISP Account: you@...
          ISP Password: your password = shown as **********
          Primary DNS: 65.247.64.21 From them. You gott= a ask for this. It's not in that file they send.

          T= he information is supplied by BasicISP in a really strange file that only N= otepad could open. You=A0glean=A0your required info from it.

          Please consider the environment before printing this email note.
          <= div>
          Patrick
          <= /span>

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X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94117 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2008 16:04:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Apr 2008 16:04:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (216.224.236.178) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2008 16:04:51 -0000 X-Received: from computer1 (computer1.handypage5.net [192.168.101.21]) by www.handypage.net (8.13.6/8.13.6/netmax) with SMTP id m3SG4ogN024225 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:04:50 -0700 To: Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:59:50 -0700 Message-ID: <001501c8a948$e433f950$1565a8c0@MAINCPU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C8A90E.37D6A7F0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <39E8E08D-7022-4725-9F07-A9352C0DDB58@...> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/6979/Mon Apr 28 07:01:56 2008 on www.handypage.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "wayne markis" Reply-To: Subject: RE: [mailstation] Re: Setting it up with a different ISP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=FTffTL_YaY6OLNQ7ox_oOn2WFloiunRiG7pBurdZqQOTNrUB5YV0Sw X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 63389 Lines: 1981 ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C8A90E.37D6A7F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What model Mailstation are you using for this ?? Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Patrick Forbes Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 8:04 PM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: [mailstation] Re: Setting it up with a different ISP I DID IT!!!!! Of the three ISP outfits that actually replied to me, only one finally came through. Offered a 30 day Money back guarantee, to boot! I wiped the ROM then, Press Power, Fn + Shift + T + Reset pin, then '3: F/A Tester' then '6: Flash test'. When done, press Back then Q. It then asks for Reset queries which you ignore as all was wiped any way. You'll then get: "Please create a new user account." press Enter. Then you fill in each field carefully: User Name: Your name Dial Up Number: supplied by the ISP dashes are for convention and are ignored by systems Reply -To: skip this if you'd like E-mail address: you@... E-mail Password: password POP3 Server: mail.basicisp.net SMTP Server: mail.basicisp.net ISP Account: you@... ISP Password: password Primary DNS: 65.247.64.21 The information is supplied in a really strange file that Notepad could open. Please consider the environment before printing this email note. Patrick Forbes 121 Lafayette Boulevard Whitby, Ontario L1P 1S4 905-666-0378 On 22-Apr-08, at 07:57 , mailstation@yahoogroups.com wrote: There are 3 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1a. Re: Any Ideas about this problem? From: wayne markis 1b. Re: Any Ideas about this problem? From: Patrick Forbes 1c. Re: Any Ideas about this problem? From: Patrick Forbes Messages ________________________________________________________________________ 1a. Re: Any Ideas about this problem? Posted by: "wayne markis" waynem@... iwireless2001 Date: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:00 am ((PDT)) The problem is that you can do that with the smaller mailstations, but you can't do most of this with the model 350, which is the only one that will allow you to get email graphics, and print in color. Although the Model 350 has more memory, it also has more security for locking you from getting in to work on it. It requires that it get an email from Earthlink to program itself and move to a working account. The "special" email has MIME control characters in it, which can not be sent over the internet thru other ISP's since they are filtered out. Only a direct connection to the ISP (Earthlink) will allow these characters to be received by the machine. The machine goes to a special account on Earthlink, which is the serial number of the machine @earthlink . It receives the special encoded message, and then changes to "Your" account. You can not send a message to these "Special" accounts, Earthlink will not pass the message. But you CAN log into these accounts, and see what the mailstation is getting, except for the special characters, which you won't see or be able to print out. You would think that Earthlink would be happy to add customers using these mailstations, but that does not seem to be the case ??? If you think the Indian call center is bad, wait a few more years until Earthlink finds a cheaper place to hire labor, and then they move it from India to there !!! As the big shots are making their millions at the top !!! Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Patrick Forbes Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 10:32 AM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Cc: musicalman77@...; djgizmo1@... Subject: [mailstation] Re: Any Ideas about this problem? Don't waste any more of your time with Earthlink. Attention (Product Life) spans are too short. No company wants to seriously support anything more than five (5) years old, nowadays. We're pretty much on our own here. I just learned Cidco, who made the thing, filed for bankruptcy this past January. My calls and faxes to them for their engineering assistance went unanswered and I expect the letter I posted to them a week ago will be coming back soon, too. Regardless of your choices, chances you will lose all programmed data are pretty great. Please write down ALL programming information. Start with 'Extras', 'Settings' then 'Details' and ensure you've no typos. You will most certainly be asked to "Create New User" where you'll need to type it all in just as you saw it: User Name: Dial Up Number: E-mail address: E-mail Password: POP3 Server: SMTP Server: ISP Account: ISP Password: Primary DNS: I photocopied all the screens and filed the copies for posterity. Six years later I needed them! Press FN, Shift and T with one hand and stick a pin in the Reset hole in the back. The Diagnostic Menu will appear. Press the 3 for the F/A Tester. The five grey keys aren't operational. Select the test of your choice. Start with Fast Test. When it's done press the Reset again to get back to the Diag.... screen. Press Q to return the machine to operational status If anyone else has additional tricks to share along this line, please don't be shy. I have a working machine I can experiment with at will. Verizon ($8.95/m), Look ($4.95/m), BasicISP and Mid-Maine have all said they 'may' be able to provide service. I'm waiting for more info from them to set up a trial with each on my machine. More later..... Please consider the environment before printing this email note. Patrick musicalman77" musicalman77@... musicalman77 Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:56 pm ((PDT)) Good luck with getting any kind of help out of Earthlink's big-wigs. I think they are trying hard to wash their hands of MailStation. My mom, also 90, had a problem with her machine. A friend who use to work computer models four levels down from the (U.S.) President was there the other day trying to remedy the trouble. He also spent about 3 hours on the phone with..."those fools in India" (nicely put!) and all to no avail. When pressed for information on repair or replacement, they got rude. So, I tried the online chat with Earthlink CS. After confirming the persistent rumor that there are no NEW MailStation accounts being established, they just kept referring me to the 800 number (aka "fools in India") and ASSURING me these folks would help. I kept insisting we'd already tried that, and the argument became circular and a standoff. So, I asked, "Well, what about repair or replacement" (which they have done in the past) and was told, "She can buy a new unit on her own." When I said that I understood that accounts were not being transferred to new machines, I was referred to... you guessed it... the fools in India. I finally gave up and told her "Thanks for nothing." Mom's only trouble is that she can no longer send to groups, and any attempt to access her former groups freezes up the machine and it has to be reset. We suspect a bad spot in the flash memory. I told her to just live with sending individual e-mails or do her group people from individual e-mail (I think you can do three recipients at a time) and be glad the thing is still working at all, since she just re-upped for another year on the service. I guess if the thing breaks, I'll hook her up with my old WebTV unit (which is now MSN TV) and hope she can learn to use it. --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Forbes" wrote: An update: 3 hours on the phone with about a dozen attempts got account turned back on despite those incompetent fools in India and MailStation resumed operation. That was all that was wrong with her original unit. Anyone have an actual address, telephone number and a bigwig's name of Earthlink's HQ wherever it is? I need compensation for these many months of no service, grief and frustration at the hands of those imbeciles they insist on calling agents. Messages in this topic (10) ________________________________________________________________________ 1b. Re: Mailstation 5 months off line Posted by: "Marcus Herrera" djgizmo1@... djgizmo1 Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:26 pm ((PDT)) Talk about dealing those people. I was doing a system board replacement. I called and was transfered to them. I was getting upset because I couldn't understand what they were saying. They could understand my name, asked me to spell it out several times. Getting it wrong. I ended hanging up on them and call back hoping on getting a different person. Man how can't you not understand the name "marcus". Off shore call centers sucks!!! gizmo on sidekick Messages in this topic (10) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ 2. Any Ideas about this problem? Posted by: "musicalman77" musicalman77@... musicalman77 Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:09 pm ((PDT)) I posted in part about this in the reply to Patrick, but would like your ideas on any way to fix this problem (and like him, I'm in OK and the machine is in OH, but I may visit there mid-summer). When I was visiting in December, I took the machine over to a friend's house because she had an old parallel-port printer. I wanted to print out Mom's address book for two reasons: 1) a planned e-mail announcement by my sister to Mom's friends for her 90th birthday card shower, and 2) paper backup in case her machine ever got wiped, as it did once before. (You'd THINK they'd have a way to back up the address book to the associated EarthLink webmail account, but that'd be far too easy...) Mom's only trouble is that she can no longer send to groups, and any attempt to access her former groups freezes up the machine and it has to be reset. We suspect a bad spot in the flash memory. I told her to just live with sending individual e-mails or do her group people from individual e-mail (I think you can do three recipients at a time) and be glad the thing is still working at all, since she just re-upped for another year on the service. Well, in the course of printing out the address book, this idiot friend ignored my advice and tried to stuff more paper in the printer during the print job, jamming it. I got it restarted, but this may have glitched something in the MailStation, because once I got it back to Mom's, one of her groups stopped working and would freeze the machine. We suspect a problem in the flash memory, like when you pull your jump drive out of the USB port as it's being accessed. I was leaving that day and didn't have time to mess with it. So, so she has had two people look at it since - a young computer geek and an old-time computer guru, and trying to fix it for her. The young guy had limited time but agreed with the "flash memory" diagnosis. The old guy spent hours, alone, and on the phone with India, trying to fix the problem. Now, apparently NONE of the groups are working at all and they cannot set up any new mail groups. Anybody have any ideas what's wrong or how to fix it without the Indians being involved? Thanks. Messages in this topic (5) ________________________________________________________________________ 1b. Re: Any Ideas about this problem? Posted by: "Patrick Forbes" patrickforbes@... forbesp Date: Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:15 pm ((PDT)) When I boot my MailStation and select 'Address Book' and press 'New,' a choice of Individual or Groups appears. Select 'Groups' and name it. It will then show the whole 'Groups' list to pick and choose from. Press 'Add' and the Address Book list will appear from which you may pick the Groups 'Members' you wish to add to that group. Take a look. Please consider the environment before printing this email note. Patrick On 21-Apr-08, at 20:43 , Jon James wrote: They've tried resetting EVERYTHING (both remotely by the Indians and locally including the "pinhole" reset) and the groups still refuse to function, which is what leads us to believe in the "bad flash memory sector" theory. Maybe the whole memory needs to be reformatted, and that's probably something only the Indians can do (if they even can). --- On Mon, 4/21/08, Patrick Subject: Re: Any Ideas about this problem? To: musicalman77@... Date: Monday, April 21, 2008, 7:21 PM Her 'Groups' will most certainly need to be re-programmed, I'm sorry to say. Please remember the KISS Principle. I'm pretty sure she'll enjoy a fully functional MailStation a bit more than the Web on TV. Might be too many buttons to remember to push in the right order. Yup. Mom is back on line. Just a stupid typo. Dumb indians! So far, BasicISP is working with me to test their servers....... Please consider the environment before printing this email note. Patrick On 21-Apr-08, at 19:51 , Jon James wrote: Wow, Patrick. Thanks for the tech info. As it stands right now, the machine and service are WORKING for individual e-mails, just not groups, so she's content for now. If I visit Ohio this summer, I may try this stuff. I have an old WebTV box and may take that with me and set her up with that. She would have e-mail AND full web access for the same annual service fee as the Earthlink e-mail thing. Hope you got your mom all fixed up too. Don't worry - I won't publish this anywhere, just print it out for my own use. Jon --- On Sun, 4/20/08, Patrick wrote: From: Patrick Subject: Re: Any Ideas about this problem? To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Cc: musicalman77@..., djgizmo1@... Date: Sunday, April 20, 2008, 12:31 PM Don't waste any more of your time with Earthlink. Attention (Product Life) spans are too short. No company wants to seriously support anything more than five (5) years old, nowadays. We're pretty much on our own here. I just learned Cidco, who made the thing, filed for bankruptcy this past January. My calls and faxes to them for their engineering assistance went unanswered and I expect the letter I posted to them a week ago will be coming back soon, too. Regardless of your choices, chances you will lose all programmed data are pretty great. Please write down ALL programming information. Start with 'Extras', 'Settings' then 'Details' and ensure you've no typos. You will most certainly be asked to "Create New User" where you'll need to type it all in just as you saw it: User Name: Dial Up Number: E-mail address: E-mail Password: POP3 Server: SMTP Server: ISP Account: ISP Password: Primary DNS: I photocopied all the screens and filed the copies for posterity. Six years later I needed them! Press FN, Shift and T with one hand and stick a pin in the Reset hole in the back. The Diagnostic Menu will appear. Press the 3 for the F/A Tester. The five grey keys aren't operational. Select the test of your choice. Start with Fast Test. When it's done press the Reset again to get back to the Diag.... screen. Press Q to return the machine to operational status If anyone else has additional tricks to share along this line, please don't be shy. I have a working machine I can experiment with at will. Verizon ($8.95/m), Look ($4.95/m), BasicISP and Mid-Maine have all said they 'may' be able to provide service. I'm waiting for more info from them to set up a trial with each on my machine. More later..... Please consider the environment before printing this email note. Patrick musicalman77" musicalman77@... musicalman77 Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:56 pm ((PDT)) Good luck with getting any kind of help out of Earthlink's big-wigs. I think they are trying hard to wash their hands of MailStation. My mom, also 90, had a problem with her machine. A friend who use to work computer models four levels down from the (U.S.) President was there the other day trying to remedy the trouble. He also spent about 3 hours on the phone with..."those fools in India" (nicely put!) and all to no avail. When pressed for information on repair or replacement, they got rude. So, I tried the online chat with Earthlink CS. After confirming the persistent rumor that there are no NEW MailStation accounts being established, they just kept referring me to the 800 number (aka "fools in India") and ASSURING me these folks would help. I kept insisting we'd already tried that, and the argument became circular and a standoff. So, I asked, "Well, what about repair or replacement" (which they have done in the past) and was told, "She can buy a new unit on her own." When I said that I understood that accounts were not being transferred to new machines, I was referred to... you guessed it... the fools in India. I finally gave up and told her "Thanks for nothing." Mom's only trouble is that she can no longer send to groups, and any attempt to access her former groups freezes up the machine and it has to be reset. We suspect a bad spot in the flash memory. I told her to just live with sending individual e-mails or do her group people from individual e-mail (I think you can do three recipients at a time) and be glad the thing is still working at all, since she just re-upped for another year on the service. I guess if the thing breaks, I'll hook her up with my old WebTV unit (which is now MSN TV) and hope she can learn to use it. --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick wrote: An update: 3 hours on the phone with about a dozen attempts got account turned back on despite those incompetent fools in India and MailStation resumed operation. That was all that was wrong with her original unit. Anyone have an actual address, telephone number and a bigwig's name of Earthlink's HQ wherever it is? I need compensation for these many months of no service, grief and frustration at the hands of those imbeciles they insist on calling agents. Messages in this topic (10) ________________________________________________________________________ 1b. Re: Mailstation 5 months off line Posted by: "Marcus Herrera" djgizmo1@... djgizmo1 Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:26 pm ((PDT)) Talk about dealing those people. I was doing a system board replacement. I called and was transfered to them. I was getting upset because I couldn't understand what they were saying. They could understand my name, asked me to spell it out several times. Getting it wrong. I ended hanging up on them and call back hoping on getting a different person. Man how can't you not understand the name "marcus". Off shore call centers sucks!!! gizmo on sidekick Messages in this topic (10) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ 2. Any Ideas about this problem? Posted by: "musicalman77" musicalman77@... musicalman77 Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:09 pm ((PDT)) I posted in part about this in the reply to Patrick, but would like your ideas on any way to fix this problem (and like him, I'm in OK and the machine is in OH, but I may visit there mid-summer). When I was visiting in December, I took the machine over to a friend's house because she had an old parallel-port printer. I wanted to print out Mom's address book for two reasons: 1) a planned e-mail announcement by my sister to Mom's friends for her 90th birthday card shower, and 2) paper backup in case her machine ever got wiped, as it did once before. (You'd THINK they'd have a way to back up the address book to the associated EarthLink webmail account, but that'd be far too easy...) Mom's only trouble is that she can no longer send to groups, and any attempt to access her former groups freezes up the machine and it has to be reset. We suspect a bad spot in the flash memory. I told her to just live with sending individual e-mails or do her group people from individual e-mail (I think you can do three recipients at a time) and be glad the thing is still working at all, since she just re-upped for another year on the service. Well, in the course of printing out the address book, this idiot friend ignored my advice and tried to stuff more paper in the printer during the print job, jamming it. I got it restarted, but this may have glitched something in the MailStation, because once I got it back to Mom's, one of her groups stopped working and would freeze the machine. We suspect a problem in the flash memory, like when you pull your jump drive out of the USB port as it's being accessed. I was leaving that day and didn't have time to mess with it. So, so she has had two people look at it since - a young computer geek and an old-time computer guru, and trying to fix it for her. The young guy had limited time but agreed with the "flash memory" diagnosis. The old guy spent hours, alone, and on the phone with India, trying to fix the problem. Now, apparently NONE of the groups are working at all and they cannot set up any new mail groups. Anybody have any ideas what's wrong or how to fix it without the Indians being involved? Thanks. Messages in this topic (5) ________________________________________________________________________ 1c. Re: Any Ideas about this problem? Posted by: "Patrick Forbes" patrickforbes@... forbesp Date: Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:19 pm ((PDT)) Whoa! That sounds a wee bit fishy, if you don't mind the Canadian vernacular. If a 'Group' worked, the others should if the others still have 'valid' addresses with no defects (typos) in them. Possible? Remember, it's only a computer. It's not that smart, eh. Yeah, I understand. My Mom is back in Florida (but now on-line) and I'm in Toronto. But I have amy own MailStation to play with, now. And I am....... Hey, I'm our organization's Guru and this is testing ME. And I beat you with a 2,182 km separation. Ha! Please consider the environment before printing this email note. Patrick Forbes 121 Lafayette Boulevard Whitby, Ontario L1P 1S4 905-666-0378 On 21-Apr-08, at 21:34 , Jon James wrote: I'm 900 miles from the machine. However, I recall she had three groups set up. Two of them still worked, but any attempt to access the third locked up the machine, requiring the "pinhole" reset. I suggested she just abandon the "bad" group, rename it something similar, and start the bad group over. Apparently, it wouldn't let them set up any new groups, and after the tech friend and the Indians finished messing with it, NONE of the groups would work anymore and it won't let them set up new groups, only individuals (which had to all be re-input manually - apparenlty the Indians wiped everything). As far as what they are telling me, groups just "don't work" anymore. It's hard for me, from here and dealing with a 90-year-old non-geek, to tell exactly what's going on. "Who am I that You are mindful of me?" (Based on Psalms 8:4) --- On Mon, 4/21/08, Patrick Forbes wrote: From: Patrick Forbes Subject: Re: Any Ideas about this problem? To: musicalman77@... Cc: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, April 21, 2008, 8:14 PM When I boot my MailStation and select 'Address Book' and press 'New,' a choice of Individual or Groups appears. Select 'Groups' and name it. It will then show the whole 'Groups' list to pick and choose from. Press 'Add' and the Address Book list will appear from which you may pick the Groups 'Members' you wish to add to that group. Take a look. Please consider the environment before printing this email note. Patrick On 21-Apr-08, at 20:43 , Jon James wrote: They've tried resetting EVERYTHING (both remotely by the Indians and locally including the "pinhole" reset) and the groups still refuse to function, which is what leads us to believe in the "bad flash memory sector" theory. Maybe the whole memory needs to be reformatted, and that's probably something only the Indians can do (if they even can). --- On Mon, 4/21/08, Patrick Subject: Re: Any Ideas about this problem? To: musicalman77@... Date: Monday, April 21, 2008, 7:21 PM Her 'Groups' will most certainly need to be re-programmed, I'm sorry to say. Please remember the KISS Principle. I'm pretty sure she'll enjoy a fully functional MailStation a bit more than the Web on TV. Might be too many buttons to remember to push in the right order. Yup. Mom is back on line. Just a stupid typo. Dumb indians! So far, BasicISP is working with me to test their servers....... Please consider the environment before printing this email note. Patrick On 21-Apr-08, at 19:51 , Jon James wrote: Wow, Patrick. Thanks for the tech info. As it stands right now, the machine and service are WORKING for individual e-mails, just not groups, so she's content for now. If I visit Ohio this summer, I may try this stuff. I have an old WebTV box and may take that with me and set her up with that. She would have e-mail AND full web access for the same annual service fee as the Earthlink e-mail thing. Hope you got your mom all fixed up too. Don't worry - I won't publish this anywhere, just print it out for my own use. Jon --- On Sun, 4/20/08, Patrick wrote: From: Patrick Subject: Re: Any Ideas about this problem? To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Cc: musicalman77@..., djgizmo1@... Date: Sunday, April 20, 2008, 12:31 PM Don't waste any more of your time with Earthlink. Attention (Product Life) spans are too short. No company wants to seriously support anything more than five (5) years old, nowadays. We're pretty much on our own here. I just learned Cidco, who made the thing, filed for bankruptcy this past January. My calls and faxes to them for their engineering assistance went unanswered and I expect the letter I posted to them a week ago will be coming back soon, too. Regardless of your choices, chances you will lose all programmed data are pretty great. Please write down ALL programming information. Start with 'Extras', 'Settings' then 'Details' and ensure you've no typos. You will most certainly be asked to "Create New User" where you'll need to type it all in just as you saw it: User Name: Dial Up Number: E-mail address: E-mail Password: POP3 Server: SMTP Server: ISP Account: ISP Password: Primary DNS: I photocopied all the screens and filed the copies for posterity. Six years later I needed them! Press FN, Shift and T with one hand and stick a pin in the Reset hole in the back. The Diagnostic Menu will appear. Press the 3 for the F/A Tester. The five grey keys aren't operational. Select the test of your choice. Start with Fast Test. When it's done press the Reset again to get back to the Diag.... screen. Press Q to return the machine to operational status If anyone else has additional tricks to share along this line, please don't be shy. I have a working machine I can experiment with at will. Verizon ($8.95/m), Look ($4.95/m), BasicISP and Mid-Maine have all said they 'may' be able to provide service. I'm waiting for more info from them to set up a trial with each on my machine. More later..... Please consider the environment before printing this email note. Patrick musicalman77" musicalman77@... musicalman77 Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:56 pm ((PDT)) Good luck with getting any kind of help out of Earthlink's big-wigs. I think they are trying hard to wash their hands of MailStation. My mom, also 90, had a problem with her machine. A friend who use to work computer models four levels down from the (U.S.) President was there the other day trying to remedy the trouble. He also spent about 3 hours on the phone with..."those fools in India" (nicely put!) and all to no avail. When pressed for information on repair or replacement, they got rude. So, I tried the online chat with Earthlink CS. After confirming the persistent rumor that there are no NEW MailStation accounts being established, they just kept referring me to the 800 number (aka "fools in India") and ASSURING me these folks would help. I kept insisting we'd already tried that, and the argument became circular and a standoff. So, I asked, "Well, what about repair or replacement" (which they have done in the past) and was told, "She can buy a new unit on her own." When I said that I understood that accounts were not being transferred to new machines, I was referred to... you guessed it... the fools in India. I finally gave up and told her "Thanks for nothing." Mom's only trouble is that she can no longer send to groups, and any attempt to access her former groups freezes up the machine and it has to be reset. We suspect a bad spot in the flash memory. I told her to just live with sending individual e-mails or do her group people from individual e-mail (I think you can do three recipients at a time) and be glad the thing is still working at all, since she just re-upped for another year on the service. I guess if the thing breaks, I'll hook her up with my old WebTV unit (which is now MSN TV) and hope she can learn to use it. --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick wrote: An update: 3 hours on the phone with about a dozen attempts got account turned back on despite those incompetent fools in India and MailStation resumed operation. That was all that was wrong with her original unit. Anyone have an actual address, telephone number and a bigwig's name of Earthlink's HQ wherever it is? I need compensation for these many months of no service, grief and frustration at the hands of those imbeciles they insist on calling agents. Messages in this topic (10) ________________________________________________________________________ 1b. Re: Mailstation 5 months off line Posted by: "Marcus Herrera" djgizmo1@... djgizmo1 Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:26 pm ((PDT)) Talk about dealing those people. I was doing a system board replacement. I called and was transfered to them. I was getting upset because I couldn't understand what they were saying. They could understand my name, asked me to spell it out several times. Getting it wrong. I ended hanging up on them and call back hoping on getting a different person. Man how can't you not understand the name "marcus". Off shore call centers sucks!!! gizmo on sidekick Messages in this topic (10) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ 2. Any Ideas about this problem? Posted by: "musicalman77" musicalman77@... musicalman77 Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:09 pm ((PDT)) I posted in part about this in the reply to Patrick, but would like your ideas on any way to fix this problem (and like him, I'm in OK and the machine is in OH, but I may visit there mid-summer). When I was visiting in December, I took the machine over to a friend's house because she had an old parallel-port printer. I wanted to print out Mom's address book for two reasons: 1) a planned e-mail announcement by my sister to Mom's friends for her 90th birthday card shower, and 2) paper backup in case her machine ever got wiped, as it did once before. (You'd THINK they'd have a way to back up the address book to the associated EarthLink webmail account, but that'd be far too easy...) Mom's only trouble is that she can no longer send to groups, and any attempt to access her former groups freezes up the machine and it has to be reset. We suspect a bad spot in the flash memory. I told her to just live with sending individual e-mails or do her group people from individual e-mail (I think you can do three recipients at a time) and be glad the thing is still working at all, since she just re-upped for another year on the service. Well, in the course of printing out the address book, this idiot friend ignored my advice and tried to stuff more paper in the printer during the print job, jamming it. I got it restarted, but this may have glitched something in the MailStation, because once I got it back to Mom's, one of her groups stopped working and would freeze the machine. We suspect a problem in the flash memory, like when you pull your jump drive out of the USB port as it's being accessed. I was leaving that day and didn't have time to mess with it. So, so she has had two people look at it since - a young computer geek and an old-time computer guru, and trying to fix it for her. The young guy had limited time but agreed with the "flash memory" diagnosis. The old guy spent hours, alone, and on the phone with India, trying to fix the problem. Now, apparently NONE of the groups are working at all and they cannot set up any new mail groups. Anybody have any ideas what's wrong or how to fix it without the Indians being involved? Thanks. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Messages in this topic (5) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C8A90E.37D6A7F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
          What model Mailstation are you using for th= is ??
          Wayne
           
          --= ---Original Message-----
          From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [ma= ilto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Patrick Forbes
          <= B>Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 8:04 PM
          To: mailstation@yah= oogroups.com
          Subject: [mailstation] Re: Setting it up with a d= ifferent ISP

          I DID IT!!!!!=


          Of the three ISP outfits that actually replied to= me, only one finally came through. Offered a 30 day Money back gua= rantee, to boot!
          I wiped the ROM then,
          Press P= ower, Fn + Shift + T + Reset pin, then '= 3: F/A Tester' then '6: Flash test'. When done, press B= ack then Q. It then asks for Reset queries which you ignore a= s all was wiped any way. You'll then get:
          "Please create a new= user account." press Enter.
          Then you fill in each fiel= d carefully:

          User Name: Your name
          Dial Up Number: supplied by the ISP dashes are for convention an= d are ignored by systems
          Reply -To: skip this if you'd like=
          E-mail address: you@ba= sicisp.net
          E-mail Password: password
          POP= 3 Server: mail.basicisp.net
          SMTP Server: mail.basicisp.net
          ISP Account: you= @basicisp.net
          ISP Password: password 
          =
          Primary DNS: 65.247.64.21

          The inform= ation is supplied in a really strange file that Notepad could open.

          Please consider the enviro= nment before printing this email note.

          Patrick Forbes
          121 Lafayett= e Boulevard
          Whitby, Ontario
          L1P 1S4
          = 905-666-0378



          On 22-Apr-08,= at 07:57 , mailstation@<= WBR>yahoogroups.com wrote:

          There are 3 messages in this issue.

          =
          Topics in this digest:

          1a. Re: Any Id= eas about this problem?    = ;
              From: wayne markis
          1b. Re: Any Ideas about this problem= ?    
          =     From: Patrick F= orbes
          1c. Re: Any Ideas about this problem?    
              From: Patrick Forbes
          <= BR>

          Messages
          _____________= __________________________________________________= _________
          1a. Re: Any Ideas about this problem?
          <= DIV>    Posted by: "wa= yne markis" waynem@handypage.net iwireless2001
              Date: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:00 am ((PDT))

          The problem is that you can do that with the smaller ma= ilstations,
          but you can't do most of this with the model 350, = which is the
          only one that will allow you to get email graphic= s, and print
          in color.

          Although= the Model 350 has more memory, it also has more
          security for = locking you from getting in to work on it.

          I= t requires that it get an email from Earthlink to program itself
          and move to a working account. The "special" email has
          MIME= control characters in it, which can not be sent over the
          inte= rnet thru other ISP's since they are filtered out.

          =
          Only a direct connection to the ISP (Earthlink) will allow these
          characters to be received by the machine.

          =
          The machine goes to a special account on Earthlink, which is the
          serial number of the machine @earthlink . It receives the specia= l
          encoded message, and then changes to "Your" account.
          =

          You can not send a message to these "Special" accou= nts, Earthlink
          will not pass the message.  But you CAN log into these accounts,
          =
          and see what the mailstation is getting, except for the special c= haracters,
          which you won't see or be able to print out.
          =

          You would think that Earthlink would be happy to a= dd customers using these
          mailstations, but that does not se= em to be the case ???

          If you think the India= n call center is bad, wait a few more years until
          Earthlink=
          finds a cheaper place to hire labor, and then they move it fr= om India to
          there !!!

          As the= big shots are making their millions at the top !!!

          =
          Wayne

            -----Original Message-----
            From: mailstation@yahoogroup= s.com [mailto:mailst= ation@yahoogroups.com]On
          Behalf Of Patrick Forbe= s
            Sent: Sund= ay, April 20, 2008 10:32 AM
            Subject: [mailstation] Re: Any Ideas about this problem= ?


            Don't waste any more of your time with Earthli= nk. Attention (Product Life)
          spans are too short. No company w= ants to seriously support anything more
          than five (5) years= old, nowadays. We're pretty much on our own here. I just
          l= earned Cidco, who made the thing, filed for bankruptcy this past January= .
          My calls and faxes to them for their engineering assistance = went unanswered
          and I expect the letter I posted to them a = week ago will be coming back
          soon, too.



            Regardless of your choices, chances you will lose= all programmed data are
          pretty great. Please write down ALL p= rogramming information. Start with
          'Extras', 'Settings' the= n 'Details' and ensure you've no typos. You will
          most certa= inly be asked to "Create New User" where you'll need to type it
          =
          all in just as you saw it:


          =
            User Name:
          =
            Dial Up Number:
            E-mail address:<= /DIV>
            E-mail Passw= ord:
            POP3 Se= rver:
            SMTP S= erver:
            ISP A= ccount:
            ISP = Password:
            Pr= imary DNS:

            I photocopied all the screens and filed the copies for = posterity. Six
          years later I needed them!


            Press FN, Shift and T with one hand and stick a pin in the Reset hol= e in
          the back. The Diagnostic Menu will appear.
          <= BR>

          &nbs= p; Press the 3 for the F/A Tester. The five grey keys aren't oper= ational.
          Select the test of your choice. Start with Fast Test.= When it's done press
          the Reset again to get back to the Di= ag.... screen. Press Q to return the
          machine to operational= status


            If anyone else has additional tricks to = share along this line, please
          don't be shy. I have a working m= achine I can experiment with at will.

            Verizon ($= 8.95/m), Look ($4.95/m), BasicISP and Mid-Maine have all said
          they 'may' be able to provide service. I'm waiting for more info from = them
          to set up a trial with each on my machine.
          =

          &nb= sp; More later.....


            Please consider the e= nvironment before printing this email note.

          =
            Patrick=


            musicalman77" musicalman77@yahoo.com musicalman77
                Date: Sat Apr= 19, 2008 2:56 pm ((PDT))


          =   Good luck with getting = any kind of help out of Earthlink's big-wigs.
            I think they are trying hard to wash = their hands of MailStation. My
            mom, also 90, had a problem with her machine.  A friend who use to
            work computer models f= our levels down from the (U.S.) President was
            there the other day trying to rem= edy the trouble.  He als= o spent about
            3 hours on the phone with..."those fools in India" (nicely put!) and
            all to no ava= il.  When pressed for in= formation on repair or
          =   replacement, they got rude.


            So, I = tried the online chat with Earthlink CS.  After confirming the
            persistent rumor that there are no NEW Mai= lStation accounts being
          &n= bsp; established, they just kept referring me to the 800 number (= aka "fools
            i= n India") and ASSURING me these folks would help.  I kept insisting
            we'd already tried that, and the argu= ment became circular and a
            standoff.  So, I asked, "Well, what about repair or replacement"
            (which they have done in = the past) and was told, "She can buy a new
            unit on her own."  When I said that I understood that accounts we= re
            not being= transferred to new machines, I was referred to... you
            guessed it... the fools in= India.  I finally gave up = and told her
            "Thanks for nothing."


            Mom's only trouble is = that she can no longer send to groups, and any
            attempt to access her former grou= ps freezes up the machine and it has
            to be reset.  We suspect a bad spot in the flash memory.  I told her
            to just live with sending individual e= -mails or do her group people
            from individual e-mail (I think you can do three recip= ients at a time)
            and be glad the thing is still working at all, since she just re-up= ped
            for anot= her year on the service.


            I guess if the thing = breaks, I'll hook her up with my old WebTV unit
            (which is now MSN TV) and hope sh= e can learn to use it.


            --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, = "Patrick Forbes"
            = ...> wrote:


              An update:


              3 hours on the phone with = about a dozen attempts got account turned
            back on despite
              those incompetent fools in Indi= a and MailStation resumed operation.
            That was all that was
              wrong with her original un= it.


              Anyone have an actual address, teleph= one number and a bigwig's name
            of Earthlink's HQ
              wherever it is? I need compensation for = these many months of no
          &n= bsp; service, grief and
              frustration at the hands of those imbeciles th= ey insist on calling
           = ; agents.







          =

            M= essages in this topic (10)
            _______________________________________= _________________________________
            1b. Re: Mailstation 5 months o= ff line
              &nbs= p; Posted by: "Marcus Herrera" djgizmo1@yahoo.com djgizmo1
                Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:2= 6 pm ((PDT))


            Talk about dealing those people. = I was doing a system board replacement.
            I called and was transfered to them. I was g= etting upset because I
          &nb= sp; couldn't understand what they were saying. They could underst= and my
            name,= asked me to spell it out several times. Getting it wrong. I ended
          =
            hanging up on the= m and call back hoping on getting a different person.
            Man how can't you not under= stand the name "marcus". Off shore call
            centers sucks!!!
            gizmo on sidekick

          =



            Messages in this topic (10)
          =
            ____________= __________________________________________________= __________
            = ________________________________________________= ________________________
            2. Any Ideas about this problem?
                Posted by= : "musicalman77" musicalman= 77@yahoo.com musicalman77
                Date: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:09 pm (= (PDT))


            I posted in part about this in the reply = to Patrick, but would like
            your ideas on any way to fix this problem (and like him, = I'm in OK and
            the machine is in OH, but I may visit there mid-summer).
          =

          &nb= sp; When I was visiting in December, I took the machine over to a= friend's
            ho= use because she had an old parallel-port printer.  I wanted to print
            out Mom's address book for two reaso= ns: 1) a planned e-mail
          &n= bsp; announcement by my sister to Mom's friends for her 90th birt= hday card
            sh= ower, and 2) paper backup in case her machine ever got wiped, as it
            did once before.=   (You'd THINK they'd ha= ve a way to back up the
            address book to the associated EarthLink webmail account,= but that'd
            = be far too easy...)


            Mom's only trouble is that s= he can no longer send to groups, and any
            attempt to access her former groups freezes= up the machine and it has
            to be reset. We suspect a bad spot in the flash memory. I= told her
            to= just live with sending individual e-mails or do her group people
          =
            from individual e-= mail (I think you can do three recipients at a time)
            and be glad the thing is sti= ll working at all, since she just re-upped
            for another year on the service.
          =


            Well, in the course of printing out the address book, th= is idiot
            fri= end ignored my advice and tried to stuff more paper in the printer
          =
            during the print = job, jamming it.  I got = it restarted, but this may
            have glitched something in the MailStation, because on= ce I got it back
            to Mom's, one of her groups stopped working and would freeze the
            machine.  We suspect a problem in the = flash memory, like when you pull
            your jump drive out of the USB port as it's bein= g accessed.  I was
          =
            leaving that day = and didn't have time to mess with it.  So, so she has
            had two people look at it since - a young computer = geek and an
            = old-time computer guru, and trying to fix it for her.  The young guy
            had limited time but agreed with the= "flash memory" diagnosis.  The
            old = guy spent hours, alone, and on the phone with India, trying to fix
          =
            the problem.  Now, apparently NONE of the= groups are working at all
            and they cannot set up any new mail groups.


          =   Anybody have any ideas what's wrong or how to fix it witho= ut the
            India= ns being involved?


            Thanks.



          Messages in this topic (5)
          ____________________________________________= ____________________________
          1b. Re: Any Ideas = about this problem?
           =   Posted by: "Patrick Forbes" patrickforbes@mac.com forbesp
              Date: Mon Apr 21, 20= 08 6:15 pm ((PDT))

          When I boot my MailStatio= n and select 'Address Book' and press 'New,'  
          a choice of Individual or Groups appear= s. Select 'Groups' and name  
          it. It will then show the whole 'Groups' list to pick an= d choose  
          = from. Press 'Add' and the Address Book list will appear from which  
          you may pick the = Groups 'Members' you wish to add to that group.
          Take a look.

          Please consider the environment before printi= ng this email note.

          Patrick
          On 21-Apr-08, at 20:43 , Jon James wrote:

          <= /DIV>
          They've tried resetting EVERYTHING (both remotely by the India= ns and  
          lo= cally including the "pinhole" reset) and the groups still refuse to  
          function, which = is what leads us to believe in the "bad flash memory  
          sector" theory.  Maybe the whole memory needs to be ref= ormatted, and  
          =
          that's probably something only the Indians can do (if they even can= ).
          --- On Mon, 4/21/08, Patrick
          Subject: Re: Any = Ideas about this (Message over 64 KB, truncated) From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: patrickforbes@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61923 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2008 02:42:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2008 02:42:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtpoutm.mac.com) (17.148.16.65) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2008 02:42:08 -0000 X-Received: from asmtp011.mac.com (asmtp011-bge351000 [10.150.69.74]) by smtpoutm.mac.com (Xserve/smtpout002/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m3T2g8AO003225 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:42:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_T1CsqHzqrnvoM2Ea6o3M6w)" X-Received: from [70.52.135.100] (bas17-toronto12-1177847652.dsl.bell.ca [70.52.135.100]) by asmtp011.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-6.03 (built Mar 14 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0K0200LTZFI58F90@...> for mailstation@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:42:08 -0700 (PDT) In-reply-to: <006701c86d1a$ae8fb510$1565a8c0@MAINCPU> References: <006701c86d1a$ae8fb510$1565a8c0@MAINCPU> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-id: Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:42:03 -0400 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Patrick Forbes Subject: Re: [mailstation] Mailstation 5 months off line X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115733964; y=-cNYr5VgaxkKwHX007SxfRlhjwTPkHUMbbe6FDlUJX98_A X-Yahoo-Profile: forbesp Status: RO Content-Length: 12053 Lines: 220 --Boundary_(ID_T1CsqHzqrnvoM2Ea6o3M6w) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I ended up doing just that. My mom came up for a visit and brought them both. Her's had a typo. Fixed it and it's back on line and now back in Florida E-mailing merrily along with the old 800# I found in a photocopy I made of the Settings prior to shipping it South 6 years ago. I assume Earthlink's server will re-program the number to a Florida number, so I found the numbers for her other locations she travels to (for a woman of 78 she sure is on the move) and wrote out the reprograming procedure for her. I now own my own MailStation and found BasicISP. Signed up after getting an E-mail promise, programmed it and: Voila, it works like a charm with them for $6.95/m. They have Web mail access to boot. Verizon and Mid Maine dropped the ball. This July when I go out to Maine, I'll cancel her Earthlink, change my account over to my her and re-program her MailStation to BasicISP like mine now is. You know, I could walk her through it this week. To you all: Take a close look at BasicISP for your MailStation needs. These folks are wonderful and they're here in North America, to boot. Ain't it cool! Please consider the environment before printing this email note. Patrick Forbes 121 Lafayette Boulevard Whitby, Ontario L1P 1S4 905-666-0378 On 11-Feb-08, at 20:57 , wayne markis wrote: You have to remember that the Earthlink call center is in INDIA, and so are the first level techs and call takers. Most of these do not have the expertise to call your relative and walk them through what is needed to set this up. Best thing to do is get the unit back at your location, find a local or 800 number that the unit can call from Toronto, and then call Earthlink yourself and walk them through it to get it set up. After YOU have it working to your satisfaction, then send it back to Florida !!! (Make sure the old unit is NOT hooked up and working during this time, or it will mess things up) This may be a little more work and hassle, but in the long run you will get it running to your satisfaction. You will use the same email address, DSN address from both Toronto and Florida. Just might temporarily have to use a different dial up number to set it up and then change that number for something that would work from Florida. All you really need them to do is authorize it for a new unit serial number. They will send a message to the old unit to turn off and a message to the new unit to switch the serial number address to your email address. Good luck !! Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Forbes Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:05 PM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: [mailstation] Mailstation 5 months off line I'm hoping to get some assistance. I bought my mother a Mailstation 6 some years ago and it went dim this summer. I picked up a replacement on eBay and shipped it down (Florida). I can't seem to get Earthlink to call her to 'Walk her' through the programming on the replacement despite several attempts. If this doesn't work would hacking it be a viable 'plan B' to put it onto another more reliable and professional ISP. I've a few in mind at this point. Someone here able to help me? I'm in Toronto and the unit is in Florida. Patrick --Boundary_(ID_T1CsqHzqrnvoM2Ea6o3M6w) Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I ended up doing just that. My mom cam= e up for a visit and brought them both. Her's had a typo. Fixed it and it's= back on line and now back in Florida E-mailing=A0merrily=A0along with the = old 800# I found in a photocopy I made of the Settings prior to shipping it= South 6 years ago. I assume Earthlink's server =A0will re-program the numb= er to a Florida number, so I found the numbers for her other locations she = travels to (for a woman of 78 she sure is on the move) and wrote out the re= programing procedure for her.

          I now own my own MailStation and= found BasicISP. Signed up after getting an E-mail promise, programmed it a= nd: Voila, it works like a charm with them for $6.95/m. They have Web mail= =A0access=A0to boot. Verizon and Mid Maine dropped the ball.

          =
          This July when I go out to Maine, I'll cancel her Earthlink, cha= nge my account over to my her and re-program her MailStation to BasicISP li= ke mine now is. You know, I could walk her through it this week.
          =
          To you all:

          Take a close look at Ba= sicISP for your MailStation needs. These folks are wonderful and they're he= re in North America, to boot. Ain't it cool!

          Please = consider the environment before printing this email note.

          Patrick Forbes
          = 121 Lafayette Boulevard
          Whitby, Ontario
          L1P 1S4
          905-666-0378



          On 11-Feb-08, = at 20:57 , wayne markis wrote:

          You have to remember that the Earthlink call center is in= INDIA, and so are the first level
          techs= and call takers.=A0 Most of these do not have the expertise to call your r= elative
          and walk them through what is ne= eded to set this up.
          =A0
          Best thing to do is get the unit back at your location,= find a local or 800 number that
          the uni= t can call from Toronto, and then call Earthlink yourself and walk them thr= ough
          it to get it set up.=A0 After YOU h= ave it working to your satisfaction, then send it back to
          Florida !!! (Make sure the old unit is NOT hooked up and = working during this time, or it
          will mes= s things up)
          =A0
          This may be a little more work and hassle, but in the long run = you will get it running to
          your satisfac= tion.
          =A0
          You will use the same email address, DSN address from both Toronto a= nd Florida.
          Just might temporarily have = to use a different dial up number to set it up and then
          =
          change that number for something that would work from Flori= da.
          All you really need them to do is a= uthorize it for a new unit serial number.=A0 They will
          =
          send a message to the old unit to turn off and a message to = the new unit to switch
          the serial number= address to your email address.
          <= /span>=A0
          Good luck !!
          =A0
          Wayne
          <= span class=3D"275384901-12022008">=A0
          =A0
          <= font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----
          From: = mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Patrick For= bes
          Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:05 PM
          To: mailstation@yahoogroups.comSubject: [mailstation] Mailstation 5 months off line

          I'm hoping to get some assistance. I bo= ught my mother a Mailstation 6 some years ago and it
          went dim this su= mmer. I picked up a replacement on eBay and shipped it down (Florida). I =
          can't seem to get Earthlink to call her to 'Walk her' through the pro= gramming on the
          replacement despite several attempts.

          If this = doesn't work would hacking it be a viable 'plan B' to put it onto another= more reliable
          and professional ISP. I've a few in mind at this point= .

          Someone here able to help me? I'm in Toronto and the unit is in = Florida.

          Patrick


          = --Boundary_(ID_T1CsqHzqrnvoM2Ea6o3M6w)-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: patrickforbes@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40697 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2008 12:59:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2008 12:59:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtpoutw.mac.com) (17.250.248.176) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2008 12:59:38 -0000 X-Received: from webmail043 (webmail043-s [10.13.128.43]) by smtpoutw.mac.com (Xserve/smtpoutw001/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m3TCxRa9006384; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:59:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:59:27 -0700 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Cc: waynem@... Message-ID: in-reply-to: <1209463713.3059.11837.m46@yahoogroups.com> references: <1209463713.3059.11837.m46@yahoogroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Received: from [206.130.173.38] from webmail.mac.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:59:27 -0700 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: Patrick Forbes Subject: Re: Setting it up with a different ISP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115733964; y=mGUCyLoNc1CYkwfFm4MyreDhuTJ40s3tCfW36jeYDJHdqg X-Yahoo-Profile: forbesp Status: RO Content-Length: 203 Lines: 10 The Mivo 100 or DETI MailStation Patrick > Posted by: "wayne markis" waynem@... iwireless2001 > Date: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:04 am ((PDT)) > >What model Mailstation are you using for this ?? >Wayne From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: patrickforbes@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70560 invoked from network); 8 May 2008 22:46:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 May 2008 22:46:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtpoutm.mac.com) (17.148.16.73) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2008 22:46:19 -0000 X-Received: from mac.com (asmtp004-s [10.150.69.67]) by smtpoutm.mac.com (Xserve/smtpout010/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m48MkJgD029135 for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 15:46:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from [70.50.141.187] (bas17-toronto12-1177718203.dsl.bell.ca [70.50.141.187]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/asmtp004/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m48MjJ3x027862 for ; Thu, 8 May 2008 15:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-51341704 References: Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 18:46:15 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Patrick Forbes Subject: Fwd: yahoo groups owner email X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115733964; y=BSfBxFynCawYiMhG4vNHUl8C1N3Ny93jTm4l_3ktzHC2jg X-Yahoo-Profile: forbesp Status: RO Content-Length: 5340 Lines: 98 --Apple-Mail-2-51341704 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Can the List Owner handle this, please? Please consider the environment before printing this email note. Patrick Begin forwarded message: From: mkdutchman2000 Date: 8 May, 2008 12:30:29 EDT (CA) To: patrickforbes@... Subject: yahoo groups owner email Hi, I am trying to get a hold of the mailstation group owner, I have a ms that I'm starting to have some fun with. I can not seem to contact the group owner, as membership has been pending for around a week! I'm guessing he may not check the yahoo email very often........do you have his alternate email address so I can contact him? Mel --Apple-Mail-2-51341704 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Can the List Owner handle this, please= ?

          Please consider the environment before printing this emai= l note.

          = Patrick

          Begin forwarded message:
          From: mkdutchman2000 <mkdutchman@...>
          Date: 8 May, 2008 12:30:29=A0 EDT (CA)
          S= ubject: yahoo groups owner email

          Hi,
          I am tryin= g to get a hold of the mailstation group owner, I have a ms
          that I'm starting to have some fun with. I can not seem to contact the=
          group owner, as membership has been pending for around= a week! I'm
          guessing he may not check the yahoo email = very often........do you
          have his alternate email addre= ss so I can contact him?

          Mel

          --Apple-Mail-2-51341704-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: donhamilton2002@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81677 invoked from network); 9 May 2008 11:56:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m48.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 May 2008 11:56:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n15.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.142) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 May 2008 11:56:34 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n15.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2008 11:56:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2008 11:56:34 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 May 2008 11:56:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 11:56:33 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "donhamilton2002" Subject: Re: Fwd: yahoo groups owner email X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175336879; y=cG0r3Bd_By4PBfVuGAIdHKbM2ysWz2DjGr2oFqWNzf8TN2MVcXOtZIrJ X-Yahoo-Profile: donhamilton2002 Status: RO Content-Length: 22 Lines: 8 > Mel > Done! don From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: mkdutchman@... 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Mel From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: musicalman77@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17016 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2008 17:52:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2008 17:52:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n18c.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.206) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2008 17:52:01 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n18.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2008 17:52:00 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.201] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jun 2008 17:52:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:51:59 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "musicalman77" Subject: I'm Stumped Now! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189279481; y=pgVrXt_TLAHp1r4MU9XV1m3ontXHc4w6j_o6OQ0MqPzq0U82860M X-Yahoo-Profile: musicalman77 Status: RO Content-Length: 1471 Lines: 49 But it wouldn't be the first time when dealing with MailStation or EarthLin= k. Item #1 - Since Yahoo changed a couple of months ago, I now have to man= ually select "Text only" for any e-mail I send my mom to her MailStation or= she does not receive it. Before the Yahoo changes, she got them fine, and= apparently EL "stripped" them down to text only automatically; now it does= not and if I forget to do "text only" from Yahoo, she gets the "go check y= our webmail account" message (which she of course cannot do). Item #2 (The= REAL puzzler): In just the last week or 10 days, my mom's e-mails to me f= rom her MailStation to my Yahoo account just suddenly stopped coming. She = can receive mine, but cannot reply to them or originate any new e-mails to = my Yahoo address. She gets no mailer daemon bounce message on them, they j= ust vanish into cyberspace. If she sends a message to multiple addressees,= everyone else gets it but me. Yesterday, I sent her three e-mails and ask= ed her to reply to each: one from each of two Yahoo accounts I have and on= e from my Gmail account. I instantly received the reply to my Gmail accoun= t, but neither of the ones to either Yahoo account. She says other Yahoo a= ddresses ARE getting her e-mails, just not mine. When I go into her EL Web= mail account and send myself one (to Yahoo), I get it just fine, so it has = SOMETHING to do with her machine, I think. Any ideas??????????????????????= Jon From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99225 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2008 19:34:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jun 2008 19:34:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (216.224.236.178) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2008 19:34:00 -0000 X-Received: from computer1 (computer1.handypage5.net [192.168.101.21]) by www.handypage.net (8.13.6/8.13.6/netmax) with SMTP id m5IJZOsa028034 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:35:24 -0700 To: Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:27:12 -0700 Message-ID: <001f01c8d179$4f9ebbf0$1565a8c0@MAINCPU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01C8D13E.A33FE3F0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/7501/Wed Jun 18 11:24:11 2008 on www.handypage.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "wayne markis" Reply-To: Subject: RE: [mailstation] I'm Stumped Now! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=24m8jCERfYx9EQ3NtMOEjBlH7lTv2jWOAer9P27PLiZVdfp14UYfPQ X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 5620 Lines: 156 ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C8D13E.A33FE3F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Check the SPAM and firewall settings on your email account setup. That is going to decide what you allow in and what you bounce. Might also check your SPAM box to see if they went there !! Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of musicalman77 Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 10:52 AM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: [mailstation] I'm Stumped Now! But it wouldn't be the first time when dealing with MailStation or EarthLink. Item #1 - Since Yahoo changed a couple of months ago, I now have to manually select "Text only" for any e-mail I send my mom to her MailStation or she does not receive it. Before the Yahoo changes, she got them fine, and apparently EL "stripped" them down to text only automatically; now it does not and if I forget to do "text only" from Yahoo, she gets the "go check your webmail account" message (which she of course cannot do). Item #2 (The REAL puzzler): In just the last week or 10 days, my mom's e-mails to me from her MailStation to my Yahoo account just suddenly stopped coming. She can receive mine, but cannot reply to them or originate any new e-mails to my Yahoo address. She gets no mailer daemon bounce message on them, they just vanish into cyberspace. If she sends a message to multiple addressees, everyone else gets it but me. Yesterday, I sent her three e-mails and asked her to reply to each: one from each of two Yahoo accounts I have and one from my Gmail account. I instantly received the reply to my Gmail account, but neither of the ones to either Yahoo account. She says other Yahoo addresses ARE getting her e-mails, just not mine. When I go into her EL Webmail account and send myself one (to Yahoo), I get it just fine, so it has SOMETHING to do with her machine, I think. Any ideas?????????????????????? Jon ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C8D13E.A33FE3F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
          Check the SPAM and firewall settings on = your email account setup.
          That is going to deci= de what you allow in and what you bounce.
          Might = also check your SPAM box to see if they went there !!
          =
           
          Wayne
          <= SPAN class=3D358522519-18062008> 
          &= nbsp;
          -----Original Message-----
          F= rom: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com= ]On Behalf Of musicalman77
          Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 20= 08 10:52 AM
          To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
          Subject:= [mailstation] I'm Stumped Now!

          But it wouldn't be the first time when dealing with MailStation = or
          EarthLink.

          Item #1 - Since Yahoo changed a couple of months a= go, I now have to
          manually select "Text only" for any e-mail I send m= y mom to her
          MailStation or she does not receive it. Before the Yahoo= changes, she
          got them fine, and apparently EL "stripped" them down t= o text only
          automatically; now it does not and if I forget to do "tex= t only" from
          Yahoo, she gets the "go check your webmail account" mess= age (which she
          of course cannot do).

          Item #2 (The REAL puzzler= ): In just the last week or 10 days, my
          mom's e-mails to me from her = MailStation to my Yahoo account just
          suddenly stopped coming. She can= receive mine, but cannot reply to
          them or originate any new e-mails = to my Yahoo address. She gets no
          mailer daemon bounce message on them= , they just vanish into
          cyberspace. If she sends a message to multipl= e addressees, everyone
          else gets it but me. Yesterday, I sent her thr= ee e-mails and asked
          her to reply to each: one from each of two Yahoo= accounts I have and
          one from my Gmail account. I instantly received = the reply to my Gmail
          account, but neither of the ones to either Yaho= o account. She says
          other Yahoo addresses ARE getting her e-mails, ju= st not mine. When I
          go into her EL Webmail account and send myself on= e (to Yahoo), I get
          it just fine, so it has SOMETHING to do with her = machine, I think.

          Any ideas??????????????????????
          Jon

          ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C8D13E.A33FE3F0-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: musicalman77@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72174 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2008 15:01:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2008 15:01:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com) (69.147.103.140) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2008 15:01:08 -0000 X-Received: from [68.142.237.87] by n13.bullet.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2008 15:01:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t3.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2008 15:01:07 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.75] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Jun 2008 15:01:07 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:01:07 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001f01c8d179$4f9ebbf0$1565a8c0@MAINCPU> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "musicalman77" Subject: Re: I'm Stumped Now! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189279481; y=nf0qWg1KLBftzQEYa50nDhuXyiFxGt0jIeoC4TKbr-HEiS0BDS4h X-Yahoo-Profile: musicalman77 Status: RO Content-Length: 2725 Lines: 95 I didn't change any settings on my Yahoo account(s) at all, and I check my = Spam folder daily. This just happened about 10 days ago. One day I was ge= tting e-mails from Mom as I have for years, then the next day, I couldn't. = She's not getting "bounce" messages on them; they are just vanishing. I h= ad her verify that she was sending them to my correct address, and as state= d in my original post, even had her "reply" to them from two different Yaho= o accounts. NOTHING! I'm convinced it has something to do with her MailSt= ation hardware, but I don't know what it could be. --- In mailstation@yaho= ogroups.com, "wayne markis" wrote: > > Check the SPAM and fire= wall settings on your email account setup. > That is going to decide what y= ou allow in and what you bounce. > Might also check your SPAM box to see if= they went there !! > > Wayne > > > -----Original Message----- > Fro= m: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On > Beh= alf Of musicalman77 > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 10:52 AM > To: mai= lstation@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [mailstation] I'm Stumped Now! > > = > But it wouldn't be the first time when dealing with MailStation or > = EarthLink. > > Item #1 - Since Yahoo changed a couple of months ago, I n= ow have to > manually select "Text only" for any e-mail I send my mom to = her > MailStation or she does not receive it. Before the Yahoo changes, s= he > got them fine, and apparently EL "stripped" them down to text only >= automatically; now it does not and if I forget to do "text only" from > = Yahoo, she gets the "go check your webmail account" message (which she > = of course cannot do). > > Item #2 (The REAL puzzler): In just the last= week or 10 days, my > mom's e-mails to me from her MailStation to my Yah= oo account just > suddenly stopped coming. She can receive mine, but cann= ot reply to > them or originate any new e-mails to my Yahoo address. She = gets no > mailer daemon bounce message on them, they just vanish into > = cyberspace. If she sends a message to multiple addressees, everyone > el= se gets it but me. Yesterday, I sent her three e-mails and asked > her to= reply to each: one from each of two Yahoo accounts I have and > one from= my Gmail account. I instantly received the reply to my Gmail > account, = but neither of the ones to either Yahoo account. She says > other Yahoo a= ddresses ARE getting her e-mails, just not mine. When I > go into her EL = Webmail account and send myself one (to Yahoo), I get > it just fine, so = it has SOMETHING to do with her machine, I think. > > Any ideas?????????= ????????????? > > Jon > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46887 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2008 15:32:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2008 15:32:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (216.224.236.178) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2008 15:32:44 -0000 X-Received: from computer1 (computer1.handypage5.net [192.168.101.21]) by www.handypage.net (8.13.6/8.13.6/netmax) with SMTP id m5JFYCPE011015 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 08:34:12 -0700 To: Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 08:25:54 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c8d220$c483af50$1565a8c0@MAINCPU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C8D1E6.1824D750" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/7505/Wed Jun 18 23:25:19 2008 on www.handypage.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "wayne markis" Reply-To: Subject: RE: [mailstation] Re: I'm Stumped Now! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=wGGPIoRBv573FDviWqLDdIpNqgjPh594MnJ9L-g6T4h3WxgJUVPrhw X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 10574 Lines: 292 ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C8D1E6.1824D750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One quick way to find out is to drop your Spam filter, and have her send you a message. Also, there should be a box in your email account setup for selecting Text or Mime output. Then ALL your emails will be sent as the same way. You could also check with Yahoo and see if they did a software change about 10 days ago ?? Had a similar problem when our ISP changed us to new IP addresses. It seems the new IP's were listed as SPAM originating IP's by a Spam blocker, and Google and Yahoo wouldn't process them, just dropped them. Once the blocking was taken off the IP addresses, we had no problem sending them. Get the IP address off her machine and run it through a Spam check (search for it on the web). Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of musicalman77 Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 8:01 AM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: [mailstation] Re: I'm Stumped Now! I didn't change any settings on my Yahoo account(s) at all, and I check my Spam folder daily. This just happened about 10 days ago. One day I was getting e-mails from Mom as I have for years, then the next day, I couldn't. She's not getting "bounce" messages on them; they are just vanishing. I had her verify that she was sending them to my correct address, and as stated in my original post, even had her "reply" to them from two different Yahoo accounts. NOTHING! I'm convinced it has something to do with her MailStation hardware, but I don't know what it could be. --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "wayne markis" wrote: > > Check the SPAM and firewall settings on your email account setup. > That is going to decide what you allow in and what you bounce. > Might also check your SPAM box to see if they went there !! > > Wayne > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On > Behalf Of musicalman77 > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 10:52 AM > To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [mailstation] I'm Stumped Now! > > > But it wouldn't be the first time when dealing with MailStation or > EarthLink. > > Item #1 - Since Yahoo changed a couple of months ago, I now have to > manually select "Text only" for any e-mail I send my mom to her > MailStation or she does not receive it. Before the Yahoo changes, she > got them fine, and apparently EL "stripped" them down to text only > automatically; now it does not and if I forget to do "text only" from > Yahoo, she gets the "go check your webmail account" message (which she > of course cannot do). > > Item #2 (The REAL puzzler): In just the last week or 10 days, my > mom's e-mails to me from her MailStation to my Yahoo account just > suddenly stopped coming. She can receive mine, but cannot reply to > them or originate any new e-mails to my Yahoo address. She gets no > mailer daemon bounce message on them, they just vanish into > cyberspace. If she sends a message to multiple addressees, everyone > else gets it but me. Yesterday, I sent her three e-mails and asked > her to reply to each: one from each of two Yahoo accounts I have and > one from my Gmail account. I instantly received the reply to my Gmail > account, but neither of the ones to either Yahoo account. She says > other Yahoo addresses ARE getting her e-mails, just not mine. When I > go into her EL Webmail account and send myself one (to Yahoo), I get > it just fine, so it has SOMETHING to do with her machine, I think. > > Any ideas?????????????????????? > > Jon > ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C8D1E6.1824D750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
          One quick way to find out is to drop you= r Spam filter, and have her send you a message.
          <= SPAN class=3D490251915-19062008>Also, there should be a box in your email account setup for selecting Tex= t or Mime output.
           
          <= DIV>Then ALL your emails will be sent as the same way.  You could a= lso check with Yahoo and see
          if they did a sof= tware change about 10 days ago ??
           
          Had a similar problem when our ISP changed us to= new IP addresses. It seems the new IP's
          were = listed as SPAM originating IP's by a Spam blocker, and Google and Yahoo wo= uldn't
          process them, just dropped them.  O= nce the blocking was taken off the IP addresses, we
          had no problem sending them.
           
          Get the IP address off her machine and run it throug= h a Spam check (search for it on the web).
           
          Wayne
          <= /SPAN> 
           
          -----Original Message-----
          From: mailstation@yahoogroups.= com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of musicalma= n77
          Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 8:01 AM
          To: mailst= ation@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [mailstation] Re: I'm Stumped N= ow!

          I didn't change any se= ttings on my Yahoo account(s) at all, and I
          check my Spam folder dail= y. This just happened about 10 days ago.
          One day I was getting e-mai= ls from Mom as I have for years, then the
          next day, I couldn't. She's= not getting "bounce" messages on them;
          they are just vanishing. I ha= d her verify that she was sending them
          to my correct address, and as = stated in my original post, even had her
          "reply" to them from two dif= ferent Yahoo accounts. NOTHING! I'm
          convinced it has something to do = with her MailStation hardware, but I
          don't know what it could be.
          =
          --- In mailstation@= yahoogroups.com, "wayne markis" wrote:<= BR>>
          > Check the SPAM and firewall settings on your email accou= nt setup.
          > That is going to decide what you allow in and what you= bounce.
          > Might also check your SPAM box to see if they went ther= e !!
          >
          > Wayne
          >
          >
          > -----Original Mess= age-----
          > From: = mailstation@yahoogroups.com
          [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On<= BR>> Behalf Of musicalman77
          > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 10= :52 AM
          > To: m= ailstation@yahoogroups.com
          > Subject: [mailstation] = I'm Stumped Now!
          >
          >
          > But it wouldn't be the first = time when dealing with MailStation or
          > EarthLink.
          >
          >= ; Item #1 - Since Yahoo changed a couple of months ago, I now have to> manually select "Text only" for any e-mail I send my mom to her> MailStation or she does not receive it. Before the Yahoo changes, = she
          > got them fine, and apparently EL "stripped" them down to tex= t only
          > automatically; now it does not and if I forget to do "text = only" from
          > Yahoo, she gets the "go check your webmail account" me= ssage (which she
          > of course cannot do).
          >
          > Item #2 = (The REAL puzzler): In just the last week or 10 days, my
          > mom's e= -mails to me from her MailStation to my Yahoo account just
          > sudde= nly stopped coming. She can receive mine, but cannot reply to
          > th= em or originate any new e-mails to my Yahoo address. She gets no
          >= mailer daemon bounce message on them, they just vanish into
          > cyb= erspace. If she sends a message to multiple addressees, everyone
          >= else gets it but me. Yesterday, I sent her three e-mails and asked
          &= gt; her to reply to each: one from each of two Yahoo accounts I have and=
          > one from my Gmail account. I instantly received the reply to my= Gmail
          > account, but neither of the ones to either Yahoo account.= She says
          > other Yahoo addresses ARE getting her e-mails, just no= t mine. When I
          > go into her EL Webmail account and send myself on= e (to Yahoo), I get
          > it just fine, so it has SOMETHING to do with= her machine, I think.
          >
          > Any ideas??????????????????????
          >
          > Jon
          >

          ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C8D1E6.1824D750-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11910 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2008 19:32:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jun 2008 19:32:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.251) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2008 19:32:41 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so7438465rvb.12 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:32:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.115.109.1 with SMTP id l1mr3212589wam.90.1213903960821; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:32:40 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from NewBaby ( [206.116.190.55]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z15sm1358759pod.2.2008.06.19.12.30.58 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:30:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <012f01c8d242$ffa2c130$0101a8c0@NewBaby> To: References: Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:25:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0111_01C8D207.8592BED0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] I'm Stumped Now! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=TDt9NLXfGt-ezouHXp23A2lYZ0wizxQbKenoQjplpBB0b0LHHQ X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 5372 Lines: 170 ------=_NextPart_000_0111_01C8D207.8592BED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable IME Yahoo mail has always been buggy. GMail is far more robust and defaults= to plain text IIRC. I've had long delays at times with Yahoo. Neil -= ---- Original Message ----- From: musicalman77 But it wouldn't be = the first time when dealing with MailStation or EarthLink. Item #1 - S= ince Yahoo changed a couple of months ago, I now have to manually select = "Text only" for any e-mail I send my mom to her MailStation or she does n= ot receive it. Before the Yahoo changes, she got them fine, and apparentl= y EL "stripped" them down to text only automatically; now it does not and= if I forget to do "text only" from Yahoo, she gets the "go check your we= bmail account" message (which she of course cannot do). Item #2 (The R= EAL puzzler): In just the last week or 10 days, my mom's e-mails to me fr= om her MailStation to my Yahoo account just suddenly stopped coming. She = can receive mine, but cannot reply to them or originate any new e-mails t= o my Yahoo address. She gets no mailer daemon bounce message on them, the= y just vanish into cyberspace. If she sends a message to multiple address= ees, everyone else gets it but me. Yesterday, I sent her three e-mails an= d asked her to reply to each: one from each of two Yahoo accounts I have = and one from my Gmail account. I instantly received the reply to my Gmail= account, but neither of the ones to either Yahoo account. She says oth= er Yahoo addresses ARE getting her e-mails, just not mine. When I go into= her EL Webmail account and send myself one (to Yahoo), I get it just fin= e, so it has SOMETHING to do with her machine, I think. Any ideas???????= ??????????????? Jon . ------=_NextPart_000_0111_01C8D207.8592BED0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
          IME Yahoo mail= has always been buggy. GMail is far more robust and defaults to plain tex= t IIRC.
           
          I've had long delays at times with Yahoo.
           
          Neil
           
           
          ----- Original Message -----
           

          But it wouldn't be the first time when deali= ng with MailStation or
          EarthLink.

          Item #1 - Since Yahoo change= d a couple of months ago, I now have to
          manually select "Text only" f= or any e-mail I send my mom to her
          MailStation or she does not receiv= e it. Before the Yahoo changes, she
          got them fine, and apparently EL = "stripped" them down to text only
          automatically; now it does not and = if I forget to do "text only" from
          Yahoo, she gets the "go check your= webmail account" message (which she
          of course cannot do).

          Ite= m #2 (The REAL puzzler): In just the last week or 10 days, my
          mom's e= -mails to me from her MailStation to my Yahoo account just
          suddenly s= topped coming. She can receive mine, but cannot reply to
          them or orig= inate any new e-mails to my Yahoo address. She gets no
          mailer daemon = bounce message on them, they just vanish into
          cyberspace. If she send= s a message to multiple addressees, everyone
          else gets it but me. Yes= terday, I sent her three e-mails and asked
          her to reply to each: one = from each of two Yahoo accounts I have and
          one from my Gmail account.= I instantly received the reply to my Gmail
          account, but neither of t= he ones to either Yahoo account. She says
          other Yahoo addresses ARE g= etting her e-mails, just not mine. When I
          go into her EL Webmail acco= unt and send myself one (to Yahoo), I get
          it just fine, so it has SOM= ETHING to do with her machine, I think.

          Any ideas???????????= ???????????

          Jon

          .

          ------=_NextPart_000_0111_01C8D207.8592BED0-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: patrickforbes@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 12924 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2008 21:22:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jun 2008 21:22:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO smtpoutm.mac.com) (17.148.16.65) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jun 2008 21:22:03 -0000 X-Received: from asmtp022-bge351000 (asmtp022-bge351000 [10.150.69.85]) by smtpoutm.mac.com (Xserve/smtpout002/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id m5KLM34S027315 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:22:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_6LxuYTGLxESKrWIoSlUbpA)" X-Received: from [69.158.187.246] (bas17-toronto12-1168030710.dsl.bell.ca [69.158.187.246]) by asmtp022.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-6.03 (built Mar 14 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0K2S005JW60NZ460@...> for mailstation@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:22:03 -0700 (PDT) In-reply-to: <1213957242.3156.94296.m46@yahoogroups.com> References: <1213957242.3156.94296.m46@yahoogroups.com> Message-id: Cc: musicalman77@... Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:21:58 -0400 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Patrick Forbes Subject: Re: I'm Stumped Now! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115733964; y=xWSwupyUcC-alhl7t8aeoXput7M4LONQISwBUWitKrAXgw X-Yahoo-Profile: forbesp Status: RO Content-Length: 8998 Lines: 154 --Boundary_(ID_6LxuYTGLxESKrWIoSlUbpA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT My little, very time consuming exercise in locating, identifying and testing the services of 'other' ISPs for our MailStations has shown only one that is head and shoulders above the rest. Earthlink being at the bottom. If you follow my previously published instructions on how to wipe your machine, contact BasicISP.net and for $6.95/month they can put you back on line. With any luck you may get your old address with a new 'extension' on it. They have shown themselves as being an outfit well worthy of our business. Their Customer Service quality and setup info and assistance is outstanding. They leave the others in the dust. All you need to ask for is: A dial up telco number that won't cost you a fortune, E-mail Address: (pretty well your choice) E-mail Password: (pretty well your choice) POP3 Server: Address SMTP Server: Address ISP Account ID on a 'POP3 Server' (very important) ISP Account Password: and most importantly, the Primary DNS Address. That's all you need during MailStation Account Setup programming and you're on-line. I've done it several times with a few prospective ISPs and only BasicISP came through with flying colours. Check them out for yourself. Please feel free to use me as a referral to them when you call. I'm 'meema@...' on their books. I'm holding the address for my mother for next month when I'm switching her over. Or contact me if difficulties arise, please. Please consider the environment before printing this email note. Patrick On 20-Jun-08, at 06:20 , mailstation@yahoogroups.com wrote: ______________________________________________________________ 1a. Re: I'm Stumped Now! Posted by: "musicalman77" musicalman77@... musicalman77 Date: Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:01 am ((PDT)) I didn't change any settings on my Yahoo account(s) at all, and I check my Spam folder daily. This just happened about 10 days ago. One day I was getting e-mails from Mom as I have for years, then the next day, I couldn't. She's not getting "bounce" messages on them; they are just vanishing. I had her verify that she was sending them to my correct address, and as stated in my original post, even had her "reply" to them from two different Yahoo accounts. NOTHING! I'm convinced it has something to do with her MailStation hardware, but I don't know what it could be. o do with her machine, I think. --Boundary_(ID_6LxuYTGLxESKrWIoSlUbpA) Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable My little, very time consuming=A0exerc= ise=A0in locating, identifying and testing the services of 'other' ISPs for= our MailStations has shown only one that is head and shoulders above the r= est. Earthlink being at the bottom.

          If you follow my pre= viously published instructions on how to wipe your machine, contact BasicIS= P.net and for $6.95/month they can put you back on line. With any luck you = may get your old address with a new 'extension' on it. They have shown them= selves as being an outfit well worthy of our business. Their Customer Servi= ce quality and setup info and assistance is outstanding. They leave the oth= ers in the dust.

          All you need to ask for is:
          =
          A dial up telco number that won't cost you a fortune,
          E-mail Address: (pretty well your choice)
          E-mail Password= :=A0(pretty well your choice)
          POP3 Server: Address
          SMTP Server: Address
          ISP Account ID on a 'POP3 S= erver' (very important)
          ISP Account Password:
          and most importantly, the Primary DNS=A0Address.=

          That's all you need during MailStation Account Se= tup programming and you're on-line.
          I've done it several times wi= th a few prospective ISPs and only BasicISP came through with flying colour= s.

          Check them out for yourself.

          =
          Please feel free to use me as a=A0referral=A0to them when you call. I'= m 'meema@...' on their b= ooks. I'm holding the address for my mother for next month when I'm switchi= ng her over.

          Or contact me if difficulties arise, = please.

          Please consider the environment before printing th= is email note.

          Patrick

          On 20-Jun-08, at 06:= 20 , mailstation@yahoogroups= .com wrote:

          ______________________________________________________________
          1a. Re: I'm Stumped Now!
          =A0 =A0 Posted by: "musicalman77" musicalman77@... musicalman77
          =A0 =A0 Date: Thu Ju= n 19, 2008 8:01 am ((PDT))

          =
          I didn't change any settings on my Yahoo account(s) at all, = and I
          check my Spam folder daily.=A0 This just happened about 10 days ago.=A0
          One day I was get= ting e-mails from Mom as I have for years, then the
          nex= t day, I couldn't.=A0 She's no= t getting "bounce" messages on them;
          they are just vani= shing.=A0 I had her verify tha= t she was sending them
          to my correct address, and as st= ated in my original post, even had her
          "reply" to them = from two different Yahoo accounts.=A0= NOTHING!=A0 I'm
          <= div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin= -left: 0px; ">convinced it has something to do with her MailStation hardwar= e, but I
          don't know what it could be.
          o do with her machine, I think.

          --Boundary_(ID_6LxuYTGLxESKrWIoSlUbpA)-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: gary@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69065 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2008 01:41:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2008 01:41:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2008 01:41:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n17.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2008 01:41:48 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2008 01:41:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:41:47 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "wd5hyq" Subject: Re: Setting it up with a different ISP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=351988586; y=EmUTzxw7Pb6CEpUf8A-89pgcmbFpI74_ZB1zCqzj54oA X-Yahoo-Profile: wd5hyq Status: RO Content-Length: 418 Lines: 17 So has anyone had any luck in getting the 350 to work with a different ISP?= I have read a few threads in this group about the 350, but the 100 and = other mailstations seem to migrate into the 350 discussion, which makes it = very difficult to keep seperate. I thought that I had the instructions o= n a couple of different threads and after rereading them, i am no longer su= re that they apply to the 350! From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24781 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2008 19:02:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2008 19:02:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (216.224.236.178) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2008 19:02:51 -0000 X-Received: from computer1 (computer1.handypage5.net [192.168.101.21]) by www.handypage.net (8.13.6/8.13.6/netmax) with SMTP id m6IJ3u7d003940 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:03:56 -0700 To: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:55:05 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c8e907$cba91d80$1565a8c0@MAINCPU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C8E8CD.1F4A4580" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/7749/Fri Jul 18 11:23:41 2008 on www.handypage.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "wayne markis" Reply-To: Subject: RE: [mailstation] Re: Setting it up with a different ISP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=pWLGuypd-pjKWw2_uXRmo6ecaIAFRnADQWI4l1DjCeZ1171y3_j6FA X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 4171 Lines: 135 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C8E8CD.1F4A4580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Far as I know, nobody has had any luck on the 350 unit. I have several of them, and have not been able to change anything on them. I did mess with the Eprom on one of them, and now it will not do anything !!! (Don't erase the memory) If anybody knows anything, please let us know !!!! Wayne Iwireless -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of wd5hyq Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 6:42 PM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: [mailstation] Re: Setting it up with a different ISP So has anyone had any luck in getting the 350 to work with a different ISP? I have read a few threads in this group about the 350, but the 100 and other mailstations seem to migrate into the 350 discussion, which makes it very difficult to keep seperate. I thought that I had the instructions on a couple of different threads and after rereading them, i am no longer sure that they apply to the 350! ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C8E8CD.1F4A4580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
          Far as I know, nobody has had any luck o= n the 350 unit.  I have several of them,
          a= nd have not been able to change anything on them.  I did mess with th= e Eprom
          on one of them, and now it will not do= anything !!!  (Don't erase the memory)
          <= /FONT> 
          If anybody knows anything, please let us= know !!!!
           
          W= ayne
          Iwireless
           
           
           
          -----Original Message--= ---
          From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yaho= ogroups.com]On Behalf Of wd5hyq
          Sent: Thursday, July 17= , 2008 6:42 PM
          To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
          Subject:<= /B> [mailstation] Re: Setting it up with a different ISP

          <= /DIV>

          So has anyone had any luck in getting the= 350 to work with a different
          ISP?

          I have read a few threads i= n this group about the 350, but the 100
          and other mailstations seem t= o migrate into the 350 discussion, which
          makes it very difficult to k= eep seperate.

          I thought that I had the instructions on a couple o= f different
          threads and after rereading them, i am no longer sure tha= t they apply
          to the 350!

          ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C8E8CD.1F4A4580-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: patrickforbes@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3623 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2008 21:44:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2008 21:44:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO asmtpout016.mac.com) (17.148.16.91) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2008 21:44:37 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_mbi5d19ULFCpOQYMl6XHsQ)" X-Received: from [65.95.196.101] (bas17-toronto12-1096795237.dsl.bell.ca [65.95.196.101]) by asmtp016.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-6.03 (built Mar 14 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0K4800GDT1QBHL90@...> for mailstation@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:44:37 -0700 (PDT) In-reply-to: <1216376079.1662.18181.m46@yahoogroups.com> References: <1216376079.1662.18181.m46@yahoogroups.com> Message-id: Cc: gary@... Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:44:34 -0400 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Patrick Forbes Subject: Re: Setting it up with a different ISP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115733964; y=R8OevYeABWfjYa631xMTEImZaePjjPgJBp7tzT32E95kbg X-Yahoo-Profile: forbesp Status: RO Content-Length: 4729 Lines: 86 --Boundary_(ID_mbi5d19ULFCpOQYMl6XHsQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I did, with a 100. I'd suggest, after my successful experimentation with my 100, that you try anything that takes you to its ROM test, or something to that effect. If you manage to get that done, the account data should be erased. When you power it back on, you should get something like "Create New Account" Fill in the fields with the info I previously provided in this board that you get from BasicISP. That should work. Contact me for additional assistance, if you need. Please consider the environment before printing this email note. Patrick 1a. Re: Setting it up with a different ISP Posted by: "wd5hyq" gary@... wd5hyq Date: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:41 pm ((PDT)) So has anyone had any luck in getting the 350 to work with a different ISP? I have read a few threads in this group about the 350, but the 100 and other mailstations seem to migrate into the 350 discussion, which makes it very difficult to keep seperate. I thought that I had the instructions on a couple of different threads and after rereading them, i am no longer sure that they apply to the 350! --Boundary_(ID_mbi5d19ULFCpOQYMl6XHsQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I did, with a 100.
          I'd suggest, af= ter my=A0successful=A0experimentation with my 100, that you try anything th= at takes you to its ROM test, or something to that effect.
          If you manag= e to get that done, the account data should be erased. When you power it ba= ck on, you should get something like "Create New Account"
          Fill in= the fields with the info I previously provided in this board that you get = from BasicISP. That should work.
          Contact me for additional assist= ance, if you need.

          Please consider the environment before prin= ting this email note.

          Patrick

          = 1a. Re: Setting it up with a different ISP
          =A0 =A0 Posted by: "wd5hyq" gary@... wd5hyq
          =A0 =A0 Date: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:41 = pm ((PDT))

          S= o has anyone had any luck in getting the 350 to work with a different=A0ISP= ?

          =A0 I have read a few threads in this gr= oup about the 350, but the 100=A0and other mailstations seem to migrate int= o the 350 discussion, which
          makes it very difficult to = keep seperate.

          =A0 I thought that I had = the instructions on a couple of different=A0threads and after rereading the= m, i am no longer sure that they apply=A0to the 350!
          --Boundary_(ID_mbi5d19ULFCpOQYMl6XHsQ)-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72749 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2008 22:36:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2008 22:36:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (216.224.236.178) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2008 22:36:23 -0000 X-Received: from computer1 (computer1.handypage5.net [192.168.101.21]) by www.handypage.net (8.13.6/8.13.6/netmax) with SMTP id m6IMbTpq029765 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:37:29 -0700 To: Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:28:38 -0700 Message-ID: <002601c8e925$a05c1470$1565a8c0@MAINCPU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C8E8EA.F3FD3C70" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/7750/Fri Jul 18 12:43:59 2008 on www.handypage.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "wayne markis" Reply-To: Subject: RE: [mailstation] Re: Setting it up with a different ISP X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=LmDPUuAG2vhwNOmCEJjZsdfxFwXtasnkdycxjFNzIrfP7Y-RSilNzQ X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 7084 Lines: 222 ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C8E8EA.F3FD3C70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The setup for the model 100 is NOT the same as the Model 350. What you can easily do on the 100 you can NOT do on the 350. So far, I have not found or heard of anyone getting a Model 350 to change and work on a new ISP or change the "Account Data" in it. If you do a ROM test on the Model 350, it wipes out ALL the data on the unit, and it will NOT run anymore !!!! Be warned !!!! Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Patrick Forbes Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 2:45 PM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Cc: gary@... Subject: [mailstation] Re: Setting it up with a different ISP I did, with a 100. I'd suggest, after my successful experimentation with my 100, that you try anything that takes you to its ROM test, or something to that effect. If you manage to get that done, the account data should be erased. When you power it back on, you should get something like "Create New Account" Fill in the fields with the info I previously provided in this board that you get from BasicISP. That should work. Contact me for additional assistance, if you need. Please consider the environment before printing this email note. Patrick 1a. Re: Setting it up with a different ISP Posted by: "wd5hyq" gary@... wd5hyq Date: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:41 pm ((PDT)) So has anyone had any luck in getting the 350 to work with a different ISP? I have read a few threads in this group about the 350, but the 100 and other mailstations seem to migrate into the 350 discussion, which makes it very difficult to keep seperate. I thought that I had the instructions on a couple of different threads and after rereading them, i am no longer sure that they apply to the 350! ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C8E8EA.F3FD3C70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
          The setup for the model 100 is NOT the same= as the Model 350.
           
          <= DIV>What you can easily do on the 100 you can NOT do on the 350.<= /SPAN>
           
          So far, I have not = found or heard of anyone getting a Model 350 to
          <= SPAN class=3D310322522-18072008>change and work on a new ISP or change the "Account Data"
          in it.
           
          =
          If you do a ROM test on the Model 350, it wipes out ALL the =
          data on the unit, and it will NOT run anymore !!!!&nb= sp; Be warned !!!!
           
           
          Wayne
           
          =  
          -----Original Message-----
          = From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@...= m]On Behalf Of Patrick Forbes
          Sent: Friday, July 18, 20= 08 2:45 PM
          To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
          Cc: gary@= wd5hyq.com
          Subject: [mailstation] Re: Setting it up with a dif= ferent ISP

          I did, with a 1= 00.

          I'd suggest, after my successful experimentation = with my 100, that you try anything that takes you to its ROM test, or so= mething to that effect.
          If you manage to get that done, the accou= nt data should be erased. When you power it back on, you should get some= thing like "Create New Account"
          Fill in the fields with the in= fo I previously provided in this board that you get from BasicISP. That = should work.
          Contact me for additional assistance, if you need= .

          Please consider the environment before printing this e= mail note.

          Patrick

          1a. Re: Set= ting it up with a different ISP
              Posted by: "wd5hyq" gary@wd5hyq.com wd5hyq
              Date: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:41 pm ((P= DT))

          So has anyone had any luck in getting t= he 350 to work with a different ISP?

            I have read a few thread= s in this group about the 350, but the 100 and other mailstations s= eem to migrate into the 350 discussion, which
          makes it very= difficult to keep seperate.

            I thought that I had the instructions= on a couple of different threads and after rereading them, i am no= longer sure that they apply to the 350!

          =

          ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C8E8EA.F3FD3C70-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: patrickforbes@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58413 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2008 22:16:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jul 2008 22:16:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO asmtpout022.mac.com) (17.148.16.97) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2008 22:16:03 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_bgOjZY+9p1XjnEXUm79qJw)" X-Received: from [65.95.197.98] (bas17-toronto12-1096795490.dsl.bell.ca [65.95.197.98]) by asmtp022.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-6.03 (built Mar 14 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0K4Q005NFKPY5V20@...> for mailstation@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:51:37 -0700 (PDT) In-reply-to: References: Message-id: <41F85AB5-CC72-4115-9D5C-2AF88D354B57@...> Cc: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:51:32 -0400 To: dollysgen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Patrick Forbes Subject: Re: Update of your "BasicISP" use on your Mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115733964; y=Tl2_RGdpnpvTjsCoSCGSe5v6YQnjNTA7dKVN23Q4tpFQxg X-Yahoo-Profile: forbesp Status: RO Content-Length: 4869 Lines: 93 --Boundary_(ID_bgOjZY+9p1XjnEXUm79qJw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Absolutely! Of all the outfits I've found, ONLY BasicISP followed through with an operating system and a great deal. Their Customer Service is wonderful. Yes, it really is $6.95/month. Please follow carefully the notes I put on the board. They're tested and work well. Mine is currently unplugged as I will be transferring the account to my mum's Mailstation when I get out there. Please consider the environment before printing this email note. Patrick Forbes 121 Lafayette Boulevard Whitby, Ontario L1P 1S4 905-666-0378 On 28-Jul-08, at 07:32 , dollysgen wrote: I am wondering if you are still having satisfactory service with BasicISP? My brother (completly computer challenged) received a Mailstation Mivo 100 model DET 1m as a gift years ago. He has not used it at all, understanding it would cost $100 to use. I would like to get the mailstation online for our communication use. Your post led me to their sight and am now wondering as to your experience with this company? Thank you for your response (if on message board rather than email please mail me so I know where to look). As ever, Dolly Wheeler --Boundary_(ID_bgOjZY+9p1XjnEXUm79qJw) Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Absolutely! Of all the outfits I've fo= und, ONLY=A0BasicISP followed through with an operating system and a= great deal. Their Customer Service is wonderful.
          Yes, it really is $6.= 95/month. Please follow carefully the notes I put on the board. They're tes= ted and work well.
          Mine is currently unplugged as I will be=A0transferr= ing=A0the account to my mum's Mailstation when I get out there.

          Please consider the environment before printing this email note.

          Patrick Forbes
          121 Lafayette Boulevard
          Whitby, Ontario
          L1P 1S= 4
          905-666-0378

          On 28-Jul-08, at = 07:32 , dollysgen wrote:

          I am wondering if you are still having satisfactory service with= =A0BasicISP?

          My brother (completly computer challenged) received a Mailstation Mivo=A01= 00 model DET 1m as a gift years ago.=A0 He has not used it at all,=A0unders= tanding it would cost $100 to use.
          I would like to get the mailstation online for our c= ommunication use.
          Your post led me to their sight and a= m now wondering as to your=A0experience with this company?

          Thank you for your response= (if on message board rather than=A0email please mail me so I know where to= look).

          As e= ver, Dolly Wheeler <dollysgen@yah= oo.com>


          --Boundary_(ID_bgOjZY+9p1XjnEXUm79qJw)-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: patrickforbes@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67414 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2008 00:15:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2008 00:15:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO asmtpout013.mac.com) (17.148.16.88) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2008 00:15:47 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Co3DQwmVYluoNtkHZOW35Q)" X-Received: from [70.52.132.78] (bas17-toronto12-1177846862.dsl.bell.ca [70.52.132.78]) by asmtp013.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-6.03 (built Mar 14 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0K4W00EMXBE61N10@...> for mailstation@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:15:47 -0700 (PDT) In-reply-to: <437590.3041.qm@...> References: <437590.3041.qm@...> Message-id: <23B28CCB-3B16-4E11-A2B3-6B87B5907127@...> Cc: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:15:40 -0400 To: dollysgen@... X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Patrick Forbes Subject: Re: Update of your "BasicISP" use on your Mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115733964; y=MeQuM8JG1IPHfBgl0ICpI6Zmw3a_zO91Xp3x-3AYzAFEuw X-Yahoo-Profile: forbesp Status: RO Content-Length: 15736 Lines: 267 --Boundary_(ID_Co3DQwmVYluoNtkHZOW35Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I scoped it out and found: To wipe the unit: You will lose all programmed data. Please write down ALL programming information. Start with 'Extras', 'Settings' then 'Details' and ensure you've no typos. You will most certainly be asked to "Create New User" where you'll need to type it all in just as you saw it. Press FN, Shift and T with one hand and stick a pin in the Reset hole in the back. The Diagnostic Menu will appear. Press the 3 for the F/A Tester. The five grey keys aren't operational. Select the test of your choice. Start with Fast Test. When it's done press the Reset again to get back to the Diag.... screen. Press Q to return the machine to operational status. If you follow my previously published instructions on how to wipe your machine, contact BasicISP.net and for $6.95/month they can put you back on line. With any luck you may get your old address with a new 'extension' on it. They have shown themselves as being an outfit well worthy of our business. Their Customer Service quality and setup info and assistance is outstanding. They leave the others in the dust. All you need to ask for is: A dial up telco number that won't cost you a fortune from where you are, E-mail Address: (pretty well your choice) E-mail Password: (pretty well your choice, too) POP3 Server: Address SMTP Server: Address ISP Account ID on a 'POP3 Server' (very important) ISP Account Password: (pretty well your choice, but maybe not) and most importantly, the Primary DNS Address. That's all you need during MailStation Account Setup programming and you're on-line. I've done it several times with a few prospective ISPs and only BasicISP came through with flying colours. Check them out for yourself. Please feel free to use me as a referral to them when you call. I'm 'meema@...' on their books. I'm holding the address for my mother for next month when I'm switching her over. Or contact me if difficulties arise, please. Please consider the environment before printing this email note. Patrick On 29-Jul-08, at 01:27 , Dolly Wheeler wrote: Thank you for the response. I don't know how to get to the place you have the notes on the board you referred too . Would you send me directions to them. I would like to get more familiar with the yahoo mailstation protocol etc. thanks, Dolly Wheeler If you cannot get rid of the family skeleton, you may as well make it dance. - George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) --- On Mon, 7/28/08, Patrick Forbes wrote: From: Patrick Forbes Subject: Re: Update of your "BasicISP" use on your Mailstation To: "dollysgen" Cc: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 2:51 PM Absolutely! Of all the outfits I've found, ONLY BasicISP followed through with an operating system and a great deal. Their Customer Service is wonderful. Yes, it really is $6.95/month. Please follow carefully the notes I put on the board. They're tested and work well. Mine is currently unplugged as I will be transferring the account to my mum's Mailstation when I get out there. Please consider the environment before printing this email note. Patrick On 28-Jul-08, at 07:32 , dollysgen wrote: I am wondering if you are still having satisfactory service with BasicISP? My brother (completly computer challenged) received a Mailstation Mivo 100 model DET 1m as a gift years ago. He has not used it at all, understanding it would cost $100 to use. I would like to get the mailstation online for our communication use. Your post led me to their sight and am now wondering as to your experience with this company? Thank you for your response (if on message board rather than email please mail me so I know where to look). As ever, Dolly Wheeler --Boundary_(ID_Co3DQwmVYluoNtkHZOW35Q) Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I scoped it out and found:

          To wipe the unit:
          You will lose all programmed data. = Please write down ALL programming information. Start with 'Extras', 'Settin= gs' then 'Details' and ensure you've no=A0typos. You will most certainly be= asked to "Create New User" where you'll need to type it all in just as you= saw it.

          Press FN, Shift and T with one h= and and stick a pin in the Reset hole in the back. The Diagnostic Menu <= /b>will appear.

          Press the 3 for the F/A Te= ster. The five grey keys aren't operational. Select the test of your choice= . Start with Fast Test. When it's done press the Reset again to get back to= the Diag.... screen. Press Q to return the machine to operational status.<= /font>
          If you follow my previously published= instructions on how to wipe your machine, contact BasicISP.net and for $6.= 95/month they can put you back on line. With any luck you may get your old = address with a new 'extension' on it. They have shown themselves as being a= n outfit well worthy of our business. Their Customer Service quality and se= tup info and assistance is outstanding. They leave the others in the dust.<= /font>

          All you need to ask for is:
          A dial up telco number that won't cost you a fortune from = where you are,
          E-mail Address: (pretty well your choice)
          E-mail Password:=A0(pretty well your choice, too)
          POP3 Server: Address
          SMTP Server: Addr= ess
          ISP Account ID on a 'POP3 Server' (= very important)
          ISP Account Password:=A0(pretty wel= l your choice, but maybe not)

          and most imp= ortantly, the Primary DNS=A0Address.

          =
          That's all you need during MailStation Account Setup programming= and you're on-line.
          I've done it several times with a few= prospective ISPs and only BasicISP came through with flying colours.

          Check them out for yourself.
          =
          Please feel free to use me as a=A0referral=A0to them when yo= u call. I'm 'meema@...' on their books. I'm holding the address for my mother for next m= onth when I'm switching her over.

          Or conta= ct me if difficulties arise, please.
          <= div>

          Please consider = the environment before printing this email note.

          Patrick
          On 29-Jul-08, at 01:27 , Dolly Wheeler wrote:

          Thank you= for the response.=A0=A0 I don't know how to get to the place you have the = notes on the board you referred too .=A0 Would you send me directions to th= em.=A0 I would like to get more familiar with the yahoo mailstation protoco= l etc.

          thanks, Dolly Wheeler

          =A0=A0=A0 =A0If you= cannot get rid of the family skeleton, you may as well make it dance. - Ge= orge Bernard Shaw=A0 (1856-1950)


          --- On Mon, 7/28/= 08, Patrick Forbes <patrickf= orbes@...> wrote:
          From: Patrick F= orbes <patrickforbes@...>
          Subject: Re: Update of your "BasicISP" use on your Mailstation
          To:= "dollysgen" <          dollysgen@...= >
          Cc: mailstation@yah= oogroups.com
          Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 2:51 PM

          Absolutely! Of all the outfits I've found, ONLY=A0Ba= sicISP followed through with an operating system and a great deal. Their Cu= stomer Service is wonderful.
          Yes, it really is $6.95/month. Please fol= low carefully the notes I put on the board. They're tested and work well. <= div>Mine is currently unplugged as I will be=A0transferring=A0the account t= o my mum's Mailstation when I get out there.

          Please consider the = environment before printing this email note.

          Patrick

          On 28-Jul-08, at 07:32 , dollysgen wrote:

          I am wondering if you are = still having satisfactory service with=A0BasicISP?

          My brother= (completly computer challenged) received a Mailstation Mivo=A0100 model DE= T 1m as a gift years ago.=A0 He has not used it at all,=A0understanding it = would cost $100 to use.
          =
          I would like to get the mailstation o= nline for our communication use.
          Your post= led me to their sight and am now wondering as to your=A0experience with th= is company?

          <= div style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">Thank you for your response (if on message board = rather than=A0email please mail me so I know where to look).

          = As ever, Dolly Wheeler <dollysgen@...>
          <= /div>

          --Boundary_(ID_Co3DQwmVYluoNtkHZOW35Q)-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: gary@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 50824 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 02:13:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2008 02:13:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n11d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.60) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 02:13:52 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 02:13:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 02:13:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 02:13:49 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <23B28CCB-3B16-4E11-A2B3-6B87B5907127@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose From: "wd5hyq" Subject: Re: Update of your "BasicISP" use on your Mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=351988586; y=syLQ4ThdPh03clVqI1_Vw9rwvitTpuQHZq9LI9gWiZzr X-Yahoo-Profile: wd5hyq Status: RO Content-Length: 452 Lines: 15 OK, so I got my mailstation DET1 up and running on basicISP. It works grea= t, but I have one small problem. the basicISP email address for the mailst= ation is: username@.... when you send a message from the mailsta= tion to someone it shows that the email address is username@.... = Anyone know why the .com is being substituted for the .net??? Does it hav= e anything to do with leaving the Reply To field blank in the mailstation s= etup? From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 99075 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 16:10:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2008 16:10:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (216.224.236.178) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 16:10:15 -0000 X-Received: from computer1 (computer1.handypage5.net [192.168.101.21]) by www.handypage.net (8.13.6/8.13.6/netmax) with SMTP id m7RGEpbQ013390 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:14:51 -0700 To: Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:01:14 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01c9085e$22817fb0$1565a8c0@MAINCPU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C90823.7622A7B0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1933 In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/8099/Wed Aug 27 06:14:40 2008 on www.handypage.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "wayne markis" Reply-To: Subject: RE: [mailstation] Re: Update of your "BasicISP" use on your Mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=Qf3Ie__-KEp6SPRnvdJF3y2RM0_JO4roaWRSXzlsdMuBiPu91vIGzg X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 4262 Lines: 131 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C90823.7622A7B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would think that is something that ISP net puts in ??? It goes through their mail server !! Might be that ISP.net also owns ISP.com and they are actually one in the same. But you could fill in the the "Reply To" and see if there is a difference ?? Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of wd5hyq Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:14 PM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: [mailstation] Re: Update of your "BasicISP" use on your Mailstation OK, so I got my mailstation DET1 up and running on basicISP. It works great, but I have one small problem. the basicISP email address for the mailstation is: username@.... when you send a message from the mailstation to someone it shows that the email address is username@.... Anyone know why the .com is being substituted for the .net??? Does it have anything to do with leaving the Reply To field blank in the mailstation setup? ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C90823.7622A7B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
          I would think that is something that ISP= net puts in ???
          = It goes through their mail ser= ver !!
           
          Might = be that ISP.net also owns ISP.com and they are
          actually one in the same.
           =
          But you could fill in the the "Reply To" and see if there is= a
          difference ??
          <= /FONT> 
          Wayne
           
          -----Original Message--= ---
          From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yaho= ogroups.com]On Behalf Of wd5hyq
          Sent: Tuesday, August 2= 6, 2008 7:14 PM
          To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
          Subject:= [mailstation] Re: Update of your "BasicISP" use on your Mailstation=

          OK, so I got my mailstati= on DET1 up and running on basicISP. It works
          great, but I have one sm= all problem. the basicISP email address for
          the mailstation is: username@basicisp.net. wh= en you send a message
          from the mailstation to someone it shows that t= he email address is
          use= rname@basicisp.com. Anyone know why the .com is being substitut= ed
          for the .net??? Does it have anything to do with leaving the Reply=
          To field blank in the mailstation setup?

          ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C90823.7622A7B0-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: gary@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92660 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2008 19:32:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Aug 2008 19:32:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2008 19:32:49 -0000 X-Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 19:32:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 19:32:49 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Aug 2008 19:32:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:32:46 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000c01c9085e$22817fb0$1565a8c0@MAINCPU> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "wd5hyq" Subject: Re: Update of your "BasicISP" use on your Mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=351988586; y=NND8Ngf8qGlQ4ZowrQwRrfBDE8r8_S-7vzMO9uf0gjsv X-Yahoo-Profile: wd5hyq Status: RO Content-Length: 263 Lines: 9 Never Mind.... I found the problem. When you type in the email address in= the mailstation you really need to watch what you type. If you type usern= ame@.... that is what you will get. I just had to change it to u= sername@... and the problem is solved. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: patrickforbes@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3347 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2008 00:15:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Aug 2008 00:15:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO asmtpout011.mac.com) (17.148.16.86) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 2008 00:15:45 -0000 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_rFgyELS1RRVqvPt5GHjxtg)" X-Received: from [76.70.71.150] (bas3-oshawa95-1279674262.dsl.bell.ca [76.70.71.150]) by asmtp011.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.03 (built Aug 7 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0K6A006W3BE7LR70@...> for mailstation@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:15:45 -0700 (PDT) In-reply-to: <1219833978.2983.67074.m46@yahoogroups.com> References: <1219833978.2983.67074.m46@yahoogroups.com> Message-id: <1ADB333C-5C88-43ED-A25D-CED6F5BB6A07@...> Cc: gary@... Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:15:42 -0400 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Patrick Forbes Subject: Re: Update of your "BasicISP" use on your Mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=115733964; y=1wWAFYy3GS02ZrZ-Matv7aroFWvJUcNftvU-vuY_VJIbPQ X-Yahoo-Profile: forbesp Status: RO Content-Length: 4021 Lines: 73 --Boundary_(ID_rFgyELS1RRVqvPt5GHjxtg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Congrats! I'm thrilled to bits! They're a wonderful outfit that can service the Mail Station quite well. The .net and .com thing needs some fine tuning though, as my previous notes indicated. I don't have a parallel printer to print the screens but will scan the screen when I get a chance. The Reply To is for when your want a reply to your E-mail to go somewhere else than your BasicISP address like a work E-mail address for example. More later....... Please consider the environment before printing this email note. Patrick On 27-Aug-08, at 06:46 , mailstation@yahoogroups.com wrote: Date: Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:13 pm ((PDT)) OK, so I got my mailstation DET1 up and running on basicISP. It works great, but I have one small problem. the basicISP email address for the mailstation is: username@.... when you send a message from the mailstation to someone it shows that the email address is username@.... Anyone know why the .com is being substituted for the .net??? Does it have anything to do with leaving the Reply To field blank in the mailstation setup? --Boundary_(ID_rFgyELS1RRVqvPt5GHjxtg) Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Congrats! I'm thrilled to bits! They'r= e a wonderful outfit that can service the Mail Station quite well. The .net= and .com thing needs some fine tuning though, as my previous notes indicat= ed. I don't have a=A0parallel=A0printer to print the screens but will scan = the screen when I get a chance.

          The Reply To is for when= your want a reply to your E-mail to go somewhere else than your BasicISP a= ddress like a work E-mail address for example.
          More later.......

          Please consider the environment before printing this email note.=

          Patrick=

          On 27-Aug-08, at 06:46 , mailstation@yahoogroups.com wr= ote:
          =A0 =A0 Date: Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:13 pm ((PDT))

          OK, so I got my mailstation DET1 up and runni= ng on basicISP.=A0 It works=A0= great, but I have one small problem.=A0 the basicISP email address for=A0th= e mailstation is:=A0=A0username@bas= icisp.net.=A0 when you send a message=A0from the mailstation to someone= it shows that the email address is=A0username@....=A0 Anyone know why the .com is being substit= uted=A0for the .net??? =A0 Does it have anything to do with leaving the Rep= ly=A0To field blank in the mailstation setup?
          --Boundary_(ID_rFgyELS1RRVqvPt5GHjxtg)-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: louvh2@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98571 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2008 19:15:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Sep 2008 19:15:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n26b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.241) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2008 19:15:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n26.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2008 19:15:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.5] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2008 19:15:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t5.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2008 19:15:26 -0000 Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:15:25 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Lou" Subject: MailStation 150 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68222956; y=L9KAnHOqAcr11tAFFtKWRLDgOq1DDnj-qdgF3b_YryEE X-Yahoo-Profile: louvh2 Status: RO Content-Length: 161 Lines: 9 Is there anyway to change the Ports used on the 150? I think by default, i= t uses 25 for outgoing and 110 incoming. I need to chg incoming to 587. Th= anks From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16583 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2008 07:11:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2008 07:11:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n49b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.163) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2008 07:11:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n49.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2008 07:11:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.69.2] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2008 07:11:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.92] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2008 07:11:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 07:11:13 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: MailStation 150 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=o7_Dd_MhkpelqdVX4tl7eCwgO6udGdUNKfl-0Cl7OK9OTG3tom6kKtRXOA X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 547 Lines: 26 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Lou" wrote: > > Is there = anyway to change the Ports used on the 150? I think by > default, it uses = 25 for outgoing and 110 incoming. I need to chg > incoming to 587. I bet y= ou meant outgoing, right??? You could try adding :587 to the smtp serverna= me, but I don't know if that works with the mailstation. If your isp requi= res smtp auth protocol on port 587, then it won't work anyway, because th= e mailstation can't do that protocol, from what I have heard on this list= . CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1952 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2008 19:34:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m54.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Sep 2008 19:34:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (216.224.236.178) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 2008 19:34:27 -0000 X-Received: from computer1 (computer1.handypage5.net [192.168.101.21]) by www.handypage.net (8.13.6/8.13.6/netmax) with SMTP id m8GJepxl024470 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:40:51 -0700 To: Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:24:46 -0700 Message-ID: <002e01c91831$e1dd2340$1565a8c0@MAINCPU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01C917F7.357E4B40" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1933 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/8264/Tue Sep 16 11:01:22 2008 on www.handypage.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "wayne markis" Reply-To: Subject: All Earthlink mailstation service X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=WvJH0FjnGh9kW3mhdmud04ET-KhHLQlMgZi_h2aapYL_YmJEGvd7OA X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 5214 Lines: 168 ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C917F7.357E4B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well after trying to get Earthlink to turn on a Mailstation 350 unit to an existing account after the old one got water damaged, I was told that Earthlink is NOT doing anything more with mailstations. So if yours is still working you have service, if anything needs to be changed on the account, you will no longer have service with them !!!!! Anybody have any luck on changing the Mailstation 350 unit to another ISP ??? Thanks, Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Cyrano Jones Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 12:11 AM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: [mailstation] Re: MailStation 150 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Lou" wrote: > > Is there anyway to change the Ports used on the 150? I think by > default, it uses 25 for outgoing and 110 incoming. I need to chg > incoming to 587. I bet you meant outgoing, right??? You could try adding :587 to the smtp servername, but I don't know if that works with the mailstation. If your isp requires smtp auth protocol on port 587, then it won't work anyway, because the mailstation can't do that protocol, from what I have heard on this list. CJ ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C917F7.357E4B40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
          = Well after trying to get Earthlink to tur= n on a Mailstation 350 unit to an
          existing ac= count after the old one got water damaged, I was told that <= /DIV>
          Earthlink is NOT doing anything more with mailstations.
           
          So if yours is s= till working you have service, if anything needs to be changed
          on the account, you will no longer have service with them = !!!!!
          =  
           
          Anybody have any luck on changing the Mailstat= ion 350 unit to another ISP ???
          =  
          Thanks,
          Wayne
           
           <= /DIV>
           
          -----= Original Message-----
          From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailt= o:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Cyrano Jones
          Sen= t: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 12:11 AM
          To: mailstation@= yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [mailstation] Re: MailStation 150
          =

          --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, = "Lou" wrote:
          >
          > Is there anyway to change = the Ports used on the 150? I think by
          > default, it uses 25 for ou= tgoing and 110 incoming. I need to chg
          > incoming to 587.

          I= bet you meant outgoing, right???

          You could try adding :587 to th= e smtp servername,
          but I don't know if that works with the mailstatio= n.

          If your isp requires smtp auth protocol on
          port 587, then = it won't work anyway, because the
          mailstation can't do that protocol= , from what I
          have heard on this list.

          CJ

          ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C917F7.357E4B40-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: drsteve@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 57192 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2008 12:27:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m46.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2008 12:27:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.101) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 12:27:13 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n9.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2008 12:27:13 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2008 12:27:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:27:12 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "reupholsternow" Subject: Is there anything else Mailstation can be used for? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=247900924; y=YHeX_KWWJknqCrg6biPIFBSlms0sswfhLPDsAUCb2WGzmC_vIev8fVw X-Yahoo-Profile: reupholsternow Status: RO Content-Length: 177 Lines: 7 I have a unit. Before I trash it, is there any other way to make use of it= ? I would not use the service even if I could get it. Surely there is anot= her way to use this. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15372 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2008 15:29:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Sep 2008 15:29:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.177) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2008 15:29:26 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2008 15:29:26 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.78] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Sep 2008 15:29:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:29:26 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: Is there anything else Mailstation can be used for? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=BF73mJnwLStqKWFvBSYdGJBcI7meOiTwlfT8Zmadx3nKN_pzXQ X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 363 Lines: 22 Which model? Don't forget, it can be used to send faxes - worth having jus= t for that. Neil --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "reupholsternow" wrote: > > I have a unit. Before I trash it, is there any other= way to make use of > it? I would not use the service even if I could get= it. Surely there is > another way to use this. > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: donhamilton2002@... 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175336879; y=raeGjjg_JSV_7GDyQXj6gTHQUiFgl4PBuqtMVLRtacciPDlMnSwwFhm4 X-Yahoo-Profile: donhamilton2002 Status: RO Content-Length: 569 Lines: 37 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Morrison" wrote: = > > Which model? > > Don't forget, it can be used to send faxes - worth ha= ving just for that. Send Faxes ???? Which models can do that ?? Where ca= n you insert/remove the paper ?? don > > Neil > > --- In mailstation@ya= hoogroups.com, "reupholsternow" > wrote: > > > > I have a unit.= Before I trash it, is there any other way to make use > of > > it? I wou= ld not use the service even if I could get it. Surely there > is > > anot= her way to use this. > > > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 20805 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2008 17:06:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2008 17:06:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fk-out-0910.google.com) (209.85.128.189) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 17:06:43 -0000 X-Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k31so492934fkk.15 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:06:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.247.17 with SMTP id u17mr311542bkh.66.1221844002767; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from NewBaby ( [72.14.240.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 13sm1294463fks.6.2008.09.19.10.06.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:06:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:55:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Is there anything else Mailstation can be used for? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=TqgKHM78KWWC3NMFViPoC96JGGfWZ7-je6Fsegg5NT9urpanfg X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 472 Lines: 25 You type the message in normally, but enter a phone number instead of an email address. No paper, it can't receive or scan. Don't forget, people here are working on cracking the code so these can be used for various tasks. It may be possible to add a Basic interpreter and use them as a computer/word processor. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: donhamilton2002 Send Faxes ???? Which models can do that ?? Where can you insert/remove the paper ?? don From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic1979@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63972 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2008 19:23:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2008 19:23:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n49a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.143) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2008 19:23:41 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n49.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2008 19:23:41 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2008 19:23:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:23:40 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="5-3725574709-3493391510=:7" X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Jeff" Subject: Hardware Expansion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102236512; y=8sj6fRRfw3leZI7xQt3uN5qSSZUC5HQf9xxl8uAqWsgm5jVYlRfOhDo X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 10094 Lines: 234 --5-3725574709-3493391510=:7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hiya folks, been a while since I posted here. My work on the Mailstation a= nd FyOS pretty much got sidetracked by other things, and I never did get ba= ck to it for quite some time. When the Mailstation did start to pique my = interest again about a month ago, I came back to the same conclusion as bef= ore: ROM locked into the lower 16KB of address space was a nuisance. FyOS = was going to be CP/M compatible, but it would only ever be able to do so to= a certain degree. Any CP/M application would have to be recompiled at the = very least before it would ever work. That almost defeated the purpose in = my eyes, because many programs that a person might want to =A0actually run = (like Zork) don't necessarily have source available. =A0Disassembling and m= odifying apps to run at a different starting offset would be quite a chore.= So since the Mailstation has basically just been laying here collecting d= ust, I decided to take the plunge and modify the hardware. If I damaged it= , then so be it. =A0At least I'd still have a keyboard and LCD to use for a= nother project, right? Luckily, that didn't happen! In a nutshell= , when the Mailstation starts, everything is as it always was. But if ROM_= TOGGLE is brought high, the code flash ROM is disabled, and the second 16KB= page of SRAM is put into the 0-16KB slot of the Mailstation. I made it us= e the second 16KB SRAM page because the first page is already in use in the= Mailstation's 48-64KB address area. =A0 So basically this means that the e= ntire 64KB of address space of the Mailstation can be set to RAM. And it m= eans a true CP/M can be run on it, as well as normal applications. =A0Keep = in mind though that if one were to port the original CP/M, they'd still hav= e to write a BIOS module to compile into it to support the Mailstation hard= ware, so it's not as easy as just dropping a new OS onto it. =A0But I plan = to continue developing FyOS now to allow CP/M apps to be run, now that they= actually can be. I can't solder anytime I want around here, so in the va= rious windows of opportunity I get, I've been putting a board together to h= old the three logic chips used in my design (1 inverter, 1 AND, 1 OR) so th= at it can be tucked back inside the Mailstation. Using it with the breadbo= ard is currently too fragile to really do much with it, so I haven't gone f= ar beyond the hardware aspect, other than writing a test app which continuo= usly writes three bytes into a particular spot in the lower 16KB, and then = prints out those locations to the screen. When ROM_TOGGLE is low, naturall= y it will return three bytes from the ROM. But when it's high, I get back = the values I had been writing to the location (since it's now RAM). One pr= oblem at the moment is the toggle of ROM_TOGGLE. =A0Currently, it's a physi= cal action on my part to enable the SRAM. =A0I tried connecting it to vario= us output pins of the Mailstation's CPU, but the Mailstation OS must be tog= gling and setting up these things during its initialization (thereby switch= ing ROM out of the address space and crashing it), because it never starts = up. =A0The only solution here that I can think of is to go ahead and replac= e the Mailstation software too, to avoid the hardware initialization on wha= tever pin I want to use. =A0But I'll take that one step at a time, because = screwing up the code flash means a ton of work to wire into the MS board to= reflash it. =A0 I'll actually be able to test new startup code by writing= it into RAM, then resetting the Mailstation. =A0It'll then boot off of my = code instead of the ROM as long as ROM_TOGGLE is enabled. =A0Once I'm sure = my code is good, I'll work on writing it into the code flash. Anyway, as I= said, I still need to finish the circuit board before I really get back in= to the software, so I'm hoping to have that done over the weekend. =A0It's = just three chips, but cutting, stripping, arranging, and threading wires on= to the board takes more time than the actual soldering. =A0If I had the mon= ey, I'd have just paid to have a PCB made, just to avoid dealing with the w= ires! =A0 I was going to wait to post about it until I had the board made = and the Mailstation running a CP/M app, but with the renewed interest and p= osting in this group lately, I thought I'd go ahead and chime in, since I'm= excited about where it can go now. And feel free to ask any questions abo= ut the hardware if I didn't explain everything. =A0I can give a detailed ex= planation of how it works if necessary. =A0I can also export a circuit sche= matic if anyone is interested in building it. =A0But keep in mind that it w= ill require cutting traces on the Mailstation board! --5-3725574709-3493391510=:7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hiya folks, been a while since I posted here. My work on the Mailstation a= nd FyOS pretty much got sidetracked by other things, and I never did get ba= ck to it for quite some time.

          When the Mailstation did start to p= ique my interest again about a month ago, I came back to the same conclusio= n as before: ROM locked into the lower 16KB of address space was a nuisance= . FyOS was going to be CP/M compatible, but it would only ever be able to = do so to a certain degree. Any CP/M application would have to be recompile= d at the very least before it would ever work. That almost defeated the pu= rpose in my eyes, because many programs that a person might want to =A0actu= ally run (like Zork) don't necessarily have source available. =A0Disassembl= ing and modifying apps to run at a different starting offset would be quite= a chore.

          So since the Mailstation has basically just been laying her= e collecting dust, I decided to take the plunge and modify the hardware. I= f I damaged it, then so be it. =A0At least I'd still have a keyboard and LC= D to use for another project, right?

          Luckily, that didn't happen!
          =








          In a nutshell, when the Mailstation starts, everythin= g is as it always was. But if ROM_TOGGLE is brought high, the code flash R= OM is disabled, and the second 16KB page of SRAM is put into the 0-16KB slo= t of the Mailstation. I made it use the second 16KB SRAM page because the = first page is already in use in the Mailstation's 48-64KB address area. =A0=

          So basically this means that the entire 64KB of address space of the Ma= ilstation can be set to RAM. And it means a true CP/M can be run on it, as= well as normal applications. =A0Keep in mind though that if one were to po= rt the original CP/M, they'd still have to write a BIOS module to compile i= nto it to support the Mailstation hardware, so it's not as easy as just dro= pping a new OS onto it. =A0But I plan to continue developing FyOS now to al= low CP/M apps to be run, now that they actually can be.

          I can't s= older anytime I want around here, so in the various windows of opportunity = I get, I've been putting a board together to hold the three logic chips use= d in my design (1 inverter, 1 AND, 1 OR) so that it can be tucked back insi= de the Mailstation. Using it with the breadboard is currently too fragile = to really do much with it, so I haven't gone far beyond the hardware aspect= , other than writing a test app which continuously writes three bytes into = a particular spot in the lower 16KB, and then prints out those locations to= the screen. When ROM_TOGGLE is low, naturally it will return three bytes = from the ROM. But when it's high, I get back the values I had been writing= to the location (since it's now RAM).

          One problem at the moment is t= he toggle of ROM_TOGGLE. =A0Currently, it's a physical action on my part to= enable the SRAM. =A0I tried connecting it to various output pins of the Ma= ilstation's CPU, but the Mailstation OS must be toggling and setting up the= se things during its initialization (thereby switching ROM out of the addre= ss space and crashing it), because it never starts up. =A0The only solution= here that I can think of is to go ahead and replace the Mailstation softwa= re too, to avoid the hardware initialization on whatever pin I want to use.= =A0But I'll take that one step at a time, because screwing up the code fla= sh means a ton of work to wire into the MS board to reflash it. =A0

          I= 'll actually be able to test new startup code by writing it into RAM, then = resetting the Mailstation. =A0It'll then boot off of my code instead of the= ROM as long as ROM_TOGGLE is enabled. =A0Once I'm sure my code is good, I'= ll work on writing it into the code flash.

          Anyway, as I said, I still= need to finish the circuit board before I really get back into the softwar= e, so I'm hoping to have that done over the weekend. =A0It's just three chi= ps, but cutting, stripping, arranging, and threading wires onto the board t= akes more time than the actual soldering. =A0If I had the money, I'd have j= ust paid to have a PCB made, just to avoid dealing with the wires! =A0

          <= P>I was going to wait to post about it until I had the board made and the M= ailstation running a CP/M app, but with the renewed interest and posting in= this group lately, I thought I'd go ahead and chime in, since I'm excited = about where it can go now.

          And feel free to ask any questions about t= he hardware if I didn't explain everything. =A0I can give a detailed explan= ation of how it works if necessary. =A0I can also export a circuit schemati= c if anyone is interested in building it. =A0But keep in mind that it will = require cutting traces on the Mailstation board!

          --5-3725574709-3493391510=:7-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... 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However the best bet would be to add a BASIC (like Microsoft's old one) in an unused segment - no problem relocating that. I wouldn't bother with CP/M. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Hiya folks, been a while since I posted here. My work on the Mailstation and FyOS pretty much got sidetracked by other things, and I never did get back to it for quite some time. When the Mailstation did start to pique my interest again about a month ago, I came back to the same conclusion as before: ROM locked into the lower 16KB of address space was a nuisance. FyOS was going to be CP/M compatible, but it would only ever be able to do so to a certain degree. Any CP/M application would have to be recompiled at the very least before it would ever work. That almost defeated the purpose in my eyes, because many programs that a person might want to actually run (like Zork) don't necessarily have source available. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic1979@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 69552 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2008 00:41:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2008 00:41:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.122) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2008 00:41:06 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2008 00:41:02 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2008 00:41:02 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 00:41:02 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="6-2613913849-6067408003=:0" X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Jeff" Subject: Re: Hardware Expansion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102236512; y=dOfVPXSGHgPNF3u-eTFC-CeFnQ97gi6YHssFynaugWP8RFNExd9_piU X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 3609 Lines: 92 --6-2613913849-6067408003=:0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Welp, I finished it, and it worked on the first try! Kinda got flash-b= linded there but you get the idea. I also covered the back and a small bit = of the front with a strip of tape so that none of the exposed metal would t= ouch anything when inside the Mailstation case. Downside is, I'm still act= ivating the ROM toggle manually, which at the moment means wires sticking o= ut of the back from the battery compartment . But it'll have to do for now, because as I m= entioned before, none of the output pins from the CPU that I tried will wor= k without crashing it at startup. I can devise a test now though to determi= ne if it's actually the MS firmware causing it. I wanted a lot of slack on= the wires so that I could work with it without pulling things loose, but I= ended up with a bit of a wire jungle . It all fits back in the case though, just require= s a minor squeeze to make it go together to put the screws in. So once I = get the Mailstation software issue dealt with, so that I can tie the ROM_TO= GGLE pin onto a cpu pin and toggle it via software, it'll be pretty spiffy.= For now I'll probably try to wire a switch into those three wires to make = it easier to use, then just put up a prompt for whenever I need to switch i= t to RAM. The funny thing is, if I could afford a GAL programmer, I could = have done all of this with a single chip and tons less hassle. =A0But this = works for now. --6-2613913849-6067408003=:0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Welp, I finished it, and it worked on the first try!





          Kind= a got flash-blinded there but you get the idea. I also covered the back and= a small bit of the front with a strip of tape so that none of the exposed = metal would touch anything when inside the Mailstation case.

          Downsid= e is, I'm still activating the ROM toggle manually, which at the moment mea= ns wi= res sticking out of the back from the battery compartment. But it'll ha= ve to do for now, because as I mentioned before, none of the output pins fr= om the CPU that I tried will work without crashing it at startup. I can dev= ise a test now though to determine if it's actually the MS firmware causing= it.

          I wanted a lot of slack on the wires so that I could work with = it without pulling things loose, but I ended up with a bit of a wire jungle= . It all fits back in the case though, just requires a minor squeeze to mak= e it go together to put the screws in.

          So once I get the Mailstat= ion software issue dealt with, so that I can tie the ROM_TOGGLE pin onto a = cpu pin and toggle it via software, it'll be pretty spiffy. For now I'll pr= obably try to wire a switch into those three wires to make it easier to use= , then just put up a prompt for whenever I need to switch it to RAM.

          = The funny thing is, if I could afford a GAL programmer, I could have done a= ll of this with a single chip and tons less hassle. =A0But this works for n= ow.

          --6-2613913849-6067408003=:0-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic1979@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 33242 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2008 00:49:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m49.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2008 00:49:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n9b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.101) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2008 00:49:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n9.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2008 00:49:10 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2008 00:49:10 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 00:49:08 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1F4CA727AA604F1494285B6FC0007DB5@NewBaby> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Jeff" Subject: Re: Hardware Expansion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102236512; y=h425tYV3uiZmb4HcZMAdorA8aFgI-nrHXJvMM3M4iWc7jWC8-g-XGXg X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 1270 Lines: 54 I was pretty much just going to replicate the CP/M BDOS functions, which w= ould allow the various applications to run. I dunno if I'll actually go a= s far as duplicating the command processor itself. The biggest reason bei= ng because I've hardly ever used CP/M, so I don't know most of the command= s! I know my way around DOS well though, and figured I'd probably base th= e command line more on that. DOS 1 practically was CP/M anyway. And as= a bonus, I've already had some experience of working with DOS's older fun= ctions which CP/M used (like the File Control Block interface) when I as w= orking on making a DOS clone recently. So that'll come in handy. As for = BASIC, I've never tried implementing a version of that on anything. Makin= g one work on a stock MS would be interesting to try sometime. I just wou= ldn't know where to start though without looking through the source. --= - In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Morrison" wrote: >= > > True, but Infocom/Zork is one that isn't a problem - we have good cl= ones. > > However the best bet would be to add a BASIC (like Microsoft's o= ld one) in > an unused segment - no problem relocating that. > > I would= n't bother with CP/M. > > Neil > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9266 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2008 01:19:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m55.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2008 01:19:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.172) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2008 01:19:15 -0000 X-Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id y2so1211299uge.4 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:19:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.67.115.12 with SMTP id s12mr1955739ugm.51.1221959953325; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:19:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from NewBaby ( [206.116.122.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k1sm7083334ugf.15.2008.09.20.18.19.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:19:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1B54FC8196E942B9ADF2CCC2091AA441@NewBaby> To: References: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:57:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Hardware Expansion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=fSL7YKHuVqcxSmXL9Znaxi1DD5LF8Hk2aJcGo_B2D0dhYW3CGQ X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 1091 Lines: 29 Most of us old TRS-80 guys have a disassembled copy (or two) of the 12 K basic with comments. IIRC, there are spare memory blocks in the MS which could hold this. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff I was pretty much just going to replicate the CP/M BDOS functions, which would allow the various applications to run. I dunno if I'll actually go as far as duplicating the command processor itself. The biggest reason being because I've hardly ever used CP/M, so I don't know most of the commands! I know my way around DOS well though, and figured I'd probably base the command line more on that. DOS 1 practically was CP/M anyway. And as a bonus, I've already had some experience of working with DOS's older functions which CP/M used (like the File Control Block interface) when I as working on making a DOS clone recently. So that'll come in handy. As for BASIC, I've never tried implementing a version of that on anything. Making one work on a stock MS would be interesting to try sometime. I just wouldn't know where to start though without looking through the source. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 76576 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2008 03:29:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2008 03:29:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO rv-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.198.246) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2008 03:29:02 -0000 X-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id k29so943948rvb.0 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:29:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.83.10 with SMTP id k10mr85606rvl.90.1221967742225; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:29:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.177.20 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:29:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:29:02 -0700 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 97aafc4149ae3d21 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Hardware Expansion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=DTgAUaDXGYCfwEpmWApkfK9cqtv2SAQDaVtKqI1-066b2c41yg X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 412 Lines: 12 I think CP/M is the way to go. This will give lots of applications (Wordstar, etc.) and compilers right out of the gate. A Xilinx CPLD might be the right way to do the hardware mod. That's what was used for Remem and REX, which are memory/flash upgrades for the TRS-80 Model 100/102/200. My understanding is that you can program it in-circuit with a JTAG cable, no stand-alone programmer necessary. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59386 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2008 17:50:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2008 17:50:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.252) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2008 17:50:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n30.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2008 17:50:14 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.67.199] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2008 17:50:14 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:50:13 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Is there anything else Mailstation can be used for? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=l1Lhiq7MiXVsE1kA2btr_vNusyXU8NRJijy33FKMquWO-kEa0vwdARpNTg X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 734 Lines: 35 --- "donhamilton2002" wrote: > > Send Faxes ???? > >= Which models can do that ?? IIRC, the earlier 2.xx models have the sendfa= x capability. iow, the white eMessage, & the dark brown mailstation befor= e the mivo name was used. The 3.xx models (mailstation/mivo 100's) are t= he same white or brown too, but I don't know if they have the sendfax capa= bility. Pretty sure none of the 4.xx ergonomic case models have it. In 2.= 53yr there is a function that I named as: byte sendfax(char *faxnumber, cha= r *msgbody, char *subject, char *username); in the mailstation.h header I u= ploaded back in Febuary. I have never tried to call it yet, but I imagine i= t will send a fax if it is called. CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic1979@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34086 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2008 19:41:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m51.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Sep 2008 19:41:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n31b.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (209.131.38.209) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2008 19:41:19 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n31.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2008 19:41:19 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.73] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Sep 2008 19:41:19 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 19:41:18 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Jeff" Subject: Re: Hardware Expansion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102236512; y=2mSJT3Sv__Cbhp-RzaG9nla2X7SGDqnikrIVSWXd4BkTSiLBOkCBdBI X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 2460 Lines: 81 I ran into a somewhat unexpected snag for one of the things I wanted to tr= y, it would seem. I was thinking that I could just write some code to the= SRAM, and while my ROM_TOGGLE hardware was active (putting ram page 1 int= o the 0-16KB slot), that I'd be able to reset the Mailstation and then boo= t code directly out of the RAM for testing purposes. Well it seems that= when I push the reset button in, the thing just locks up or something. M= y test code is a simple app which disables interrupts, turns the New Mail = LED on, loops through reading port 0x10 to wait 1 second, turns the LED ba= ck off, waits 1 second again, then loops the program. I tested it via the= Mailstation Yahoo app loader method and it works as expected from there. = I was only using JRs instead of JPs (which I had to disable assembler o= ptimizations to ensure), and disassembled the resulting binary to make sur= e it was doing exactly as I wrote. So the code was portable to any memory= location, but resetting the Mailstation didn't execute it at startup as e= xpected. To make absolute sure there wasn't some hardware problem with run= ning code from the 0x0000 slot when set to RAM, I modified the test app w= ith an ORG 0x0000 and a JP at the end. That way, after it was loaded via = the Yahoo loader app (into 0x8000, SRAM page 1), it would blink the LED on= ce and use a JP to loop the program, then end up in the 0x000 slot (also S= RAM page 1) to continue execution. And, as expected, it continued to exec= ute just fine from the first slot. So it wasn't the hardware apparently. = So my assumption at this point is that maybe pressing the reset button is= erasing the contents of the SRAM? If this is the case, what method would= be available to reset the system to a default state without causing that?= And/or would it be possible to stop it from erasing the SRAM when pushin= g the button by modifying it somehow? I haven't traced the connections fr= om the button to see what all they do yet. I mostly just want to be able = to get the system into a default startup mode when executing my code from = the SRAM. That way anything I write will be in the same conditions as it = would be whenever I decide to write that code into the code flash, which w= ould greatly improve the chances of not bricking it. I'm running off of a= n AC adapter and not batteries, if that possibly makes a difference. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic1979@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64654 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2008 01:46:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.96) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2008 01:46:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 01:46:55 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2008 01:46:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2008 01:46:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 01:46:54 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Jeff" Subject: Re: Hardware Expansion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102236512; y=XBr9W_eatvrtyw2BeHXg3wkhc-wbQUb3N9Ikki9HaPCpBwipyAVwuH8 X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 1247 Lines: 47 Nevermind, I ran into one of those "gotchas" that results from trying to u= se the hardware from the reset state. Turns out my test code was in fact r= unning out of RAM at startup. But me trying to toggle the LED in that sta= te wasn't working because the P2 direction bits hadn't been initialized. = All it took was adding in: ld a, #FF out (#0B), a I discovere= d this when looking through Mailstation firmware init code, seeing what it= did to each port during initialization, and noticed the P2 direction regi= ster. I assume P2 is all inputs by default, hence the LED never coming on= . Having to initialize directions for some of the ports has made me wond= er again about what pin could be attached to my ROM_TOGGLE line. Currentl= y I think P28.3 is my best bet. It's apparently caller ID related, but my= Mailstation has no caller ID. All other caller ID pins aren't connected = to anything from the cpu on mine. Even P28.3 just goes out to a pad on th= e back of the board, not connecting to anything else, which makes me wonde= r why they connected that one to something but not the others. But hopefu= lly it'll be usable for my purposes when the Mailstation code isn't fiddli= ng with it. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24791 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2008 04:04:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m43.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2008 04:04:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.109) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 04:04:56 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n12.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2008 04:04:53 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2008 04:04:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 04:04:51 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Hardware Expansion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=QdYmeXdFURKD3d_cSG094AwkFt1RUvpnpyEpdues28oNSp8aBeHVGZ9UgQ X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1607 Lines: 60 > I discovered this when looking through Mailstation firmware init > code,= seeing what it did to each port during initialization, and > noticed the = P2 direction register. I assume P2 is all inputs by > default, hence the = LED never coming on. Yeah, I think all the ports are input by default. > = Having to initialize directions for some of the ports has made me > wonder= again about what pin could be attached to my ROM_TOGGLE line. > Currentl= y I think P28.3 is my best bet. Add a resistor to pull it to your default= state when it is set as an input. Then set the bit to the same state, and= then set the dir to output. I used bit D5 of the par port for my bank swi= tch circuit. IIRC, I connected d5 to the clock on a flip-flop, and connect= ed the ms reset line to the ff reset. A hi then lo pulse on d5 would flip t= he bank. I used a toggle switch to control whether the normal (reset) sta= te was the ms codeflash, or the socket I kluged in. Clocking the flip-flop= swapped in the other. At first I used a boot-rom (mboot) in the socket to= get mailbug going. Later I put the boot code in the ms rom, and a big ra= m chip in the socket. The boot code loaded mbug into ms RAM, then swapped t= he socket in, giving me a mailstation with mbug loaded, and RAM in place o= f the codeflash chip. Then I could load whatever I wanted into that RAM. I = used this setup to run modified versions of the ms code. (Breakpoints work= ed with this setup, too!!!) I used d5 because d0-d4 are used for the updat= e protocol, and d6-d7 were in use as a bit-bang serial port. CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic1979@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 34557 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2008 06:36:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m42.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2008 06:36:46 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n48c.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.182) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2008 06:36:46 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n48.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2008 06:36:46 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.87] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2008 06:36:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 06:36:44 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Jeff" Subject: Re: Hardware Expansion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102236512; y=H8F2eycq68Qzu13nfPfdy3uujBQcHkMex0pebN_Yi_TVqtzHUtqzXeM X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 5899 Lines: 196 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Cyrano Jones" = wrote: > > Currently I think P28.3 is my best bet. > > Add a resistor to = pull it to your default state when it > is set as an input. Then set the b= it to the same state, > and then set the dir to output. > I ended up doin= g exactly that, except I forgot to set the port direction on P28 at first = so it wasn't working. Doh! I had forgotten that the MS init code only se= ts a couple of P28 to outputs, not all of them (not sure why, since they'r= e all actually outputs as far as I know). But now I have P28.3 connected = to my ROM_TOGGLE signal, and can enable or disable the RAM easily from the= port. Hooray. What is kind of confusing me though is the resistor value= I had to use for the pull-down. I ended up using a 1k, since a 4.7k and = higher wouldn't work (ROM_TOGGLE was apparently behaving as 'high' at sta= rtup when using these other values, as if ground weren't connected at all)= . Pull-down aside, there's three inputs on the logic chips all connected = together which make up the ROM_TOGGLE input signal. When ROM_TOGGLE is co= nnected to ground, those three inputs are low of course, and so ROM is ena= bled. But when I disconnect from ground, they automatically pull themselv= es high without me connecting them to anything (high =3D RAM enabled). I = kind of have some fuzzy ideas as to why that happens, but I'm not versed w= ell enough with analog electronic concepts to fully explain it. But I'm a= ssuming that having three inputs connected together could be why I ended u= p having to use such a low resistor value. I just hope it's not problemat= ic in terms of power consumption or something, since pull-downs are usual= ly 10k or 47k as far as I understand. > I used bit D5 of the par port fo= r my bank switch > circuit. IIRC, I connected d5 to the clock on a flip-fl= op, > and connected the ms reset line to the ff reset. > A hi then lo pulse= on d5 would flip the bank. I > used a toggle switch to control whether t= he normal > (reset) state was the ms codeflash, or the socket > I kluged in= . Clocking the flip-flop swapped in > the other. That sounds like a good = method too, since it resets properly. Now that I'm wired into a CPU port = to do my switching, pressing the MS reset button resets P28 as an input an= d automatically brings the ROM back into slot 0. In many respects, this i= s good, since it behaves like yours does. But that also means I can't boo= t from the RAM now, which was one of the things I wanted to be able to do = easily. What I think I'll do though is maybe combine a pull-up into the wh= ole mess, connected with a switch. Not sure what resistor value would wo= rk at the moment considering there's already a pull-down present too. But= that way, by flipping the switch, ROM_TOGGLE could be forced high regardl= ess of P28.3 being an input at startup, and I'd be able to boot from the R= AM again when I wanted to test boot code. Or I dunno, maybe it'd be better= to just put the switch between the pull-down and ground, since ROM_TOGGLE= seems to automatically go high when not connected to anything (or when co= nnected to something set as an input). I dunno if it's good to leave thos= e inputs floating or not though, if it's even still considered floating wh= en multiple inputs are connected like that. > > At first I used a boot-= rom (mboot) in the socket > to get mailbug going. Later I put the boot cod= e > in the ms rom, and a big ram chip in the socket. > The boot code loade= d mbug into ms RAM, then swapped > the socket in, giving me a mailstation w= ith mbug > loaded, and RAM in place of the codeflash chip. > Then I could = load whatever I wanted into that RAM. > I used this setup to run modified v= ersions of the ms > code. (Breakpoints worked with this setup, too!!!) Ha= ving an external socket would really reduce the worry of messing up what's= written to the MS codeflash. I thought about adding one myself, but so m= any wires involved. I think I've seen enough to last me for a few days! = While I'm thinking of it, what would be a safe 64K sector of the codeflash= to erase to test writing to it? I perused mine and noticed there doesn't= seem to be an empty sector anywhere. I only have one or two pages of the= disassembled/well-commented codeflash, so I dunno what's in those others = without lots of digging. But surely there's an unimportant section, or on= e that doesn't get used except in certain circumstances. I mostly only ne= ed the Mailstation to be able to get into the Yahoo apps menu and run stuf= f at this point. > > I used d5 because d0-d4 are used for the update pro= tocol, > and d6-d7 were in use as a bit-bang serial port. > I thought abo= ut using a pin from there initially when the others I tried didn't work (o= r more accurately, I didn't know how to make them work at the time), but t= hen I thought that I might want the full 8 bits of the parallel port for s= omething. One could interface an SD card into it or some such, since they= 're fairly shy on pin usage. You'd need a 5v to 3.3v conversion on power = and data pins though, which is the biggest inconvenience. I doubt the Mai= lstation has a 3.3v source available. I also considered disconnecting the= modem's chip-select and connecting address/data/modem CS lines to an IDE-= to-Compact Flash adapter. CF cards (ones abiding by standards at least) c= an be used in 8-bit data transfer mode from what I understand. I'd have t= o check CF power requirements though to make sure it wasn't a big strain = on the Mailstation. But having removable storage would be nice, because t= hen I wouldn't have to try implementing some kind of special file system f= or the dataflash to avoid wearing it out. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95842 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2008 02:39:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2008 02:39:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n13c.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.114) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2008 02:39:06 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2008 02:39:03 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.74] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2008 02:39:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:39:01 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="9-6874631823-5158315208=:8" X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Hardware Expansion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=_AQsKcj8QOn_2GCQRqt541HWbZXGtSRzzoadC4oQx8VmOlGDH3l4lSr3hA X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 19581 Lines: 464 --9-6874631823-5158315208=:8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Add a resistor to pull it to your default state when it > > is set as a= n input. Then set the bit to the same state, > > and then set the dir to o= utput. > > I ended up doing exactly that, except I forgot to set the port >= direction on P28 at first so it wasn't working. Doh! I had > forgotten t= hat the MS init code only sets a couple of P28 to outputs, > not all of the= m (not sure why, since they're all actually outputs as > far as I know). B= ut now I have P28.3 connected to my ROM_TOGGLE > signal, and can enable or = disable the RAM easily from the port. > Hooray. > > What is kind of confusi= ng me though is the resistor value I had to > use for the pull-down. I end= ed up using a 1k, since a 4.7k and > higher wouldn't work (ROM_TOGGLE was a= pparently behaving as 'high' at > startup when using these other values, as= if ground weren't connected > at all). I was gonna say you should check f= or a pullup resistor hiding on the ms board somewhere, but read on below...= > Pull-down aside, there's three inputs on the logic chips all > connecte= d together which make up the ROM_TOGGLE input signal. When > ROM_TOGGLE is= connected to ground, those three inputs are low of > course, and so ROM is= enabled. But when I disconnect from ground, > they automatically pull the= mselves high without me connecting them to > anything (high =3D RAM enabled= ). Ook!!! Sounds like you are using TTL logic!!! I looked at your pictur= es, and sure enough, I see 74LS parts. When I said "Add a resistor to pull = it to your default state", I was assuming CMOS logic. I don't even know if= driving TTL is within spec for the ms cpu. I assume that the cpu is CMOS.= I would replace the LS parts with HC or HCT. > I kind of have some fuzzy= ideas as to > why that happens, but I'm not versed well enough with analog= > electronic concepts to fully explain it. But I'm assuming that > having= three inputs connected together could be why I ended up having > to use su= ch a low resistor value. I just hope it's not problematic > in terms of po= wer consumption or something, since pull-downs are > usually 10k or 47k as = far as I understand. Not analog, it's just the design rules are different = for TTL than CMOS. Unconnected TTL inputs "float high", and have to be act= ively pulled low. You usually will not pull a TTL input low with a resisto= r (passive). You either drive it low with a TTL output, or peg it directly= to gnd. CMOS inputs don't float high, they are just as happy to float low= as hi, and an unconnected CMOS input will pick up enough influence just ou= t of the air to flutter back and forth between lo and hi. As such, a CMOS i= nput can be pulled lo or hi with a resistor. > > I used bit D5 of the par = port for my bank switch > > circuit. IIRC, I connected d5 to the clock on = a flip-flop, > > and connected the ms reset line to the ff reset. > > A hi = then lo pulse on d5 would flip the bank. I > > used a toggle switch to con= trol whether the normal > > (reset) state was the ms codeflash, or the sock= et > > I kluged in. Clocking the flip-flop swapped in > > the other. > > T= hat sounds like a good method too, since it resets properly. Now > that I'= m wired into a CPU port to do my switching, pressing the MS > reset button = resets P28 as an input and automatically brings the ROM > back into slot 0.= In many respects, this is good, since it behaves > like yours does. But = that also means I can't boot from the RAM now, > which was one of the thing= s I wanted to be able to do easily. > > What I think I'll do though is mayb= e combine a pull-up into the whole > mess, connected with a switch. Not su= re what resistor value would > work at the moment considering there's alrea= dy a pull-down present > too. If you change to HC or HCT, then 47k might b= e good. I have used 1M when I didn't want to run batteries down too fast! = If you stick with LS, then I would change circuit so your default was "pull= ed up" state. I don't remember what a typical LS pullup value is. (IMO, L= S has been obsolete for like 20 years or more.) > But that way, by flippin= g the switch, ROM_TOGGLE could be > forced high regardless of P28.3 being a= n input at startup, and I'd be > able to boot from the RAM again when I wan= ted to test boot code. Might want to make switch select pull-up or pull-do= wn (use one res, and spdt switch to select +5 or gnd). That would avoid pos= sibility of having p28.3 pegged to +5v when it is in output mode driving lo= w. > Or I dunno, maybe it'd be better to just put the switch between the >= pull-down and ground, since ROM_TOGGLE seems to automatically go high > wh= en not connected to anything (or when connected to something set as > an in= put). I dunno if it's good to leave those inputs floating or > not though,= if it's even still considered floating when multiple > inputs are connecte= d like that. I learned you should not trust ttl to float hi, you should al= ways use a pullup. I think it is less succeptible to noise with pullup. B= ut when experimenting, letting them float hi always seemed good enough! > = > At first I used a boot-rom (mboot) in the socket > > to get mailbug going= . Later I put the boot code > > in the ms rom, and a big ram chip in the s= ocket. > > The boot code loaded mbug into ms RAM, then swapped > > the sock= et in, giving me a mailstation with mbug > > loaded, and RAM in place of th= e codeflash chip. > > Then I could load whatever I wanted into that RAM. > = > I used this setup to run modified versions of the ms > > code. (Breakpoi= nts worked with this setup, too!!!) > > Having an external socket would rea= lly reduce the worry of messing up > what's written to the MS codeflash. I= thought about adding one > myself, but so many wires involved. I think I'= ve seen enough to last > me for a few days! It's not so bad! (I dunno if = above embeded image is gonna work. If not, you can see it in group's photo= section.) I found the little gold test points to work better than the vias= for attaching the wires. > While I'm thinking of it, what would be a safe= 64K sector of the > codeflash to erase to test writing to it? I perused m= ine and noticed > there doesn't seem to be an empty sector anywhere. I onl= y have one > or two pages of the disassembled/well-commented codeflash, so = I dunno > what's in those others without lots of digging. But surely there= 's > an unimportant section, or one that doesn't get used except in > certa= in circumstances. I mostly only need the Mailstation to be able > to get i= nto the Yahoo apps menu and run stuff at this point. Offhand I can't say w= hat part of code you could dump and still get it to run. I think the last = 16k page is empty in most versions of firmware (ok, I only looked at a few,= but I don't remember any that had code in last page). Why not use last pa= ge, and just reflash the other three pages with code from your dump? > > I= used d5 because d0-d4 are used for the update protocol, > > and d6-d7 were= in use as a bit-bang serial port. > > > > I thought about using a pin from= there initially when the others I > tried didn't work (or more accurately,= I didn't know how to make them > work at the time), but then I thought tha= t I might want the full 8 > bits of the parallel port for something. Yeah,= even something like a parallel port! I didn't make mine with intention of= it being anything other than a research tool to learn about ms insides. An= d now that I think about it, the way mine works you could print to your hea= rts content, and the flip-flop is gonna stay flipped. And you won't even g= et a glitch on your printer when flipping the bank, 'coz bank switching doe= s not activate the printer port strobe! One downside to callid bits is tha= t some ms's have the callid chip, so you would have to disable it on those,= I suppose. > One could interface an SD > card into it or some such, since= they're fairly shy on pin usage. > You'd need a 5v to 3.3v conversion on p= ower and data pins though, > which is the biggest inconvenience. I doubt t= he Mailstation has a > 3.3v source available. > > I also considered disconn= ecting the modem's chip-select and > connecting address/data/modem CS lines= to an IDE-to-Compact Flash > adapter. CF cards (ones abiding by standards= at least) can be used > in 8-bit data transfer mode from what I understand= . I'd have to > check CF power requirements though to make sure it wasn't = a big > strain on the Mailstation. But having removable storage would be >= nice, because then I wouldn't have to try implementing some kind of > spec= ial file system for the dataflash to avoid wearing it out. That would be p= retty neat. I have wondered about possibility of interfacing to USB flash = drives. If only I had an infinite supply of time!!! I can't even stay up = late putzing with this stuff anymore, 'coz I got me one of those J.O.B. thi= ngs that my girlfriend (and family) have been nagging me about. :-( CJ = --9-6874631823-5158315208=:8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Add a resistor to pull it to your default state when it
          > &= gt; is set as an input.  Then set the bit to the same state,
          > &= gt; and then set the dir to output.
          >
          > I ended up doing exact= ly that, except I forgot to set the port
          > direction on P28 at first= so it wasn't working.  Doh!  I had
          > forgotten that the M= S init code only sets a couple of P28 to outputs,
          > not all of them = (not sure why, since they're all actually outputs as
          > far as I know= ).  But now I have P28.3 connected to my ROM_TOGGLE
          > signal, a= nd can enable or disable the RAM easily from the port. 
          > Hoora= y.
          >
          > What is kind of confusing me though is the resistor val= ue I had to
          > use for the pull-down.  I ended up using a 1k, si= nce a 4.7k and
          > higher wouldn't work (ROM_TOGGLE was apparently beh= aving as 'high' at
          > startup when using these other values, as if gr= ound weren't connected
          > at all).

          I was gonna say you should = check for a pullup resistor
          hiding on the ms board somewhere, but read o= n below...
           
          > Pull-down aside, there's three inputs on the l= ogic chips all
          > connected together which make up the ROM_TOGGLE inp= ut signal.  When
          > ROM_TOGGLE is connected to ground, those thr= ee inputs are low of
          > course, and so ROM is enabled.  But when= I disconnect from ground,
          > they automatically pull themselves high= without me connecting them to
          > anything (high =3D RAM enabled).&nb= sp;

          Ook!!!  Sounds like you are using TTL logic!!!

          I lo= oked at your pictures, and sure enough, I see 74LS parts.
          When I said "A= dd a resistor to pull it to your default
          state", I was assuming CMOS lo= gic.  I don't even know if
          driving TTL is within spec for the ms cp= u.  I assume that
          the cpu is CMOS.  I would replace the LS par= ts with
          HC or HCT.

          > I kind of have some fuzzy ideas as to > why that happens, but I'm not versed well enough with analog
          >= electronic concepts to fully explain it.  But I'm assuming that
          &= gt; having three inputs connected together could be why I ended up having <= br>> to use such a low resistor value.  I just hope it's not proble= matic
          > in terms of power consumption or something, since pull-downs= are
          > usually 10k or 47k as far as I understand.

          Not analog,= it's just the design rules are different for
          TTL than CMOS.  Uncon= nected TTL inputs "float high", and have
          to be actively pulled low.&nbs= p; You usually will not pull a TTL
          input low with a resistor (passive).=   You either drive it low
          with a TTL output, or peg it directly to= gnd.  CMOS inputs
          don't float high, they are just as happy to floa= t low as hi,
          and an unconnected CMOS input will pick up enough influence=
          just out of the air to flutter back and forth between lo and hi.
          As = such, a CMOS input can be pulled lo or hi with a resistor.
           
          >= ; > I used bit D5 of the par port for my bank switch
          > > circui= t.  IIRC, I connected d5 to the clock on a flip-flop,
          > > and= connected the ms reset line to the ff reset.
          > > A hi then lo pul= se on d5 would flip the bank.  I
          > > used a toggle switch to= control whether the normal
          > > (reset) state was the ms codeflash= , or the socket
          > > I kluged in.  Clocking the flip-flop swap= ped in
          > > the other.
          >
          > That sounds like a good met= hod too, since it resets properly.  Now
          > that I'm wired into a= CPU port to do my switching, pressing the MS
          > reset button resets = P28 as an input and automatically brings the ROM
          > back into slot 0.=   In many respects, this is good, since it behaves
          > like yours= does.  But that also means I can't boot from the RAM now,
          > wh= ich was one of the things I wanted to be able to do easily.
          >
          >= ; What I think I'll do though is maybe combine a pull-up into the whole > mess, connected with a switch.  Not sure what resistor value wou= ld
          > work at the moment considering there's already a pull-down pres= ent
          > too. 

          If you change to HC or HCT, then 47k might = be good.
          I have used 1M when I didn't want to run batteries down
          too= fast!

          If you stick with LS, then I would change circuit so
          your = default was "pulled up" state.  I don't remember
          what a typical LS = pullup value is.  (IMO, LS has been
          obsolete for like 20 years or m= ore.)

          > But that way, by flipping the switch, ROM_TOGGLE could be=
          > forced high regardless of P28.3 being an input at startup, and I'= d be
          > able to boot from the RAM again when I wanted to test boot co= de.

          Might want to make switch select pull-up or pull-down
          (use o= ne res, and spdt switch to select +5 or gnd).
          That would avoid possibili= ty of having p28.3 pegged to
          +5v when it is in output mode driving low.=

          > Or I dunno, maybe it'd be better to just put the switch betwee= n the
          > pull-down and ground, since ROM_TOGGLE seems to automaticall= y go high
          > when not connected to anything (or when connected to som= ething set as
          > an input).  I dunno if it's good to leave those= inputs floating or
          > not though, if it's even still considered floa= ting when multiple
          > inputs are connected like that.

          I learne= d you should not trust ttl to float hi, you
          should always use a pullup.&= nbsp; I think it is less succeptible
          to noise with pullup.  But whe= n experimenting, letting
          them float hi always seemed good enough!
          &n= bsp;
          > > At first I used a boot-rom (mboot) in the socket
          > = > to get mailbug going.  Later I put the boot code
          > > in= the ms rom, and a big ram chip in the socket.
          > > The boot code l= oaded mbug into ms RAM, then swapped
          > > the socket in, giving me = a mailstation with mbug
          > > loaded, and RAM in place of the codef= lash chip.
          > > Then I could load whatever I wanted into that RAM.<= br>> > I used this setup to run modified versions of the ms
          > &= gt; code.  (Breakpoints worked with this setup, too!!!)
          >
          &g= t; Having an external socket would really reduce the worry of messing up > what's written to the MS codeflash.  I thought about adding one=
          > myself, but so many wires involved.  I think I've seen enoug= h to last
          > me for a few days!

          It's not so bad!

          (I dunno if above embeded image is gonna work.&n= bsp; If
          not, you can see it in group's photo section.)
          I found the li= ttle gold test points to work better than
          the vias for attaching the wir= es.

          > While I'm thinking of it, what would be a safe 64K sector o= f the
          > codeflash to erase to test writing to it?  I perused mi= ne and noticed
          > there doesn't seem to be an empty sector anywhere.&= nbsp; I only have one
          > or two pages of the disassembled/well-commen= ted codeflash, so I dunno
          > what's in those others without lots of d= igging.  But surely there's
          > an unimportant section, or one th= at doesn't get used except in
          > certain circumstances.  I mostl= y only need the Mailstation to be able
          > to get into the Yahoo apps = menu and run stuff at this point.

          Offhand I can't say what part of c= ode you could dump
          and still get it to run.  I think the last 16k p= age
          is empty in most versions of firmware (ok, I only
          looked at a fe= w, but I don't remember any that had
          code in last page).  Why not = use last page, and just
          reflash the other three pages with code from you= r dump?

          > > I used d5 because d0-d4 are used for the update pr= otocol,
          > > and d6-d7 were in use as a bit-bang serial port.
          &g= t; >
          >
          > I thought about using a pin from there initially = when the others I
          > tried didn't work (or more accurately, I didn't = know how to make them
          > work at the time), but then I thought that I= might want the full 8
          > bits of the parallel port for something.&nb= sp;

          Yeah, even something like a parallel port!  I didn't
          ma= ke mine with intention of it being anything other
          than a research tool t= o learn about ms insides.
          And now that I think about it, the way mine wo= rks
          you could print to your hearts content, and the
          flip-flop is gonn= a stay flipped.  And you won't
          even get a glitch on your printer wh= en flipping
          the bank, 'coz bank switching does not activate
          the prin= ter port strobe!

          One downside to callid bits is that some ms's have<= br>the callid chip, so you would have to disable it
          on those, I suppose= .

          > One could interface an SD
          > card into it or some such,= since they're fairly shy on pin usage. 
          > You'd need a 5v to 3= .3v conversion on power and data pins though,
          > which is the biggest= inconvenience.  I doubt the Mailstation has a
          > 3.3v source av= ailable.
          >
          > I also considered disconnecting the modem's chip-= select and
          > connecting address/data/modem CS lines to an IDE-to-Com= pact Flash
          > adapter.  CF cards (ones abiding by standards at l= east) can be used
          > in 8-bit data transfer mode from what I understa= nd.  I'd have to
          > check CF power requirements though to make s= ure it wasn't a big
          > strain on the Mailstation.  But having re= movable storage would be
          > nice, because then I wouldn't have to try= implementing some kind of
          > special file system for the dataflash t= o avoid wearing it out.

          That would be pretty neat.  I have wond= ered about possibility
          of interfacing to USB flash drives.  If only= I had an
          infinite supply of time!!!  I can't even stay up late
          = putzing with this stuff anymore, 'coz I got me one of
          those J.O.B. thin= gs that my girlfriend (and family)
          have been nagging me about.  :-(=

          CJ




          --9-6874631823-5158315208=:8-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 46667 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2008 03:28:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2008 03:28:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.121) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2008 03:28:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n16.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2008 03:28:32 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.76] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2008 03:28:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:28:31 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="9-1464282923-7250468610=:8" X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Hardware Expansion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=IGuokiW-2e_7LFFE3cg9iQcUSHfWDTooGkecDTNMY-izvvipvOfdpQJYgQ X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1606 Lines: 50 --9-1464282923-7250468610=:8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > It's not so bad! > > (I dunno if above embeded image is gonna work. If >= not, you can see it in group's photo section.) > I found the little gold t= est points to work better than > the vias for attaching the wires. OK, I f= iggered why it didn't work, I used url of the html. The jpg looks like one= of the protected url's, and I tire of fighting the yahoos, so I will try j= ust a link to the html page, instead of embeded image... http://tech.ph.g= roups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/photos/view/535c?b=3D2&m\ =3Df&o=3D0 CJ --9-1464282923-7250468610=:8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > It's not so bad!
          >
          > (I dunno if above embeded image is g= onna work.  If
          > not, you can see it in group's photo section.)<= br>> I found the little gold test points to work better than
          > the= vias for attaching the wires.

          OK, I figgered why it didn't work, I = used url of the
          html.  The jpg looks like one of the protected url'= s,
          and I tire of fighting the yahoos, so I will try just a
          link to th= e html page, instead of embeded image...
          = http://tech.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/photos/view/535c?b=3D2&am= p;m=3Df&o=3D0

          CJ
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X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 41374 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2008 05:07:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m57.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Sep 2008 05:07:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n36a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.130) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Sep 2008 05:07:47 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n36.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2008 05:07:47 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.90] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Sep 2008 05:07:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 05:07:45 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Jeff" Subject: Re: Hardware Expansion X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102236512; y=zbeCdSh3Vx9foVgh-OdvjSyU7ss8_ci5b5dz55uJg_iiPl89-NJtG3k X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 5733 Lines: 198 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Cyrano Jones" = wrote: > > Ook!!! Sounds like you are using TTL logic!!! > > I looked at= your pictures, and sure enough, I see 74LS parts. > When I said "Add a res= istor to pull it to your default > state", I was assuming CMOS logic. I do= n't even know if > driving TTL is within spec for the ms cpu. I assume tha= t > the cpu is CMOS. I would replace the LS parts with > HC or HCT. > O= h wow, somehow I got it into my head that the LS parts were better than CM= OS! I've mostly messed with older electronic devices, since they're usual= ly the only things easily modifiable for me at this point. And I don't ev= en have any basic glue logic in 74HC, apparently. I tended to pick up LS = ones here and there when I'd find them cheap from somewhere when getting s= omething else (to better warrant the shipping costs and all), since 74LS i= s what I've seen most of so far (like in the NES). I already added a pull= -up into the mix earlier today, with a switch between the ROM_TOGGLE and t= he pull-up resistor. I tried a 4.7k at first, which only half-worked. Wh= en I used it to force the ROM_TOGGLE line high, I watched my test app disp= laying bytes from a slot 0 memory address, and they constantly jittered ba= ck and forth between devices. I ended up using a 1k here too, which appea= red to keep the line held solidly. So the pull-up and pull-down use the = same values. I guess that means with voltage division that I'm only passi= ng ~2.5v into ROM_TOGGLE, unless the P28.3 and the three TTL chip inputs a= ffect that in ways I don't realize. I don't really care for using these pa= rts on the MS now that you've made me aware of what a drain they might be,= but I guess they'll have to do for the time being. At least I know now! = Thanks for the enlightenment. Eventually I'd like to be able to replace = all of that with a single GAL or CPLD anyways, since they seem like they'd= be interesting to work with considering how many logic chips they would e= liminate from a design. A board I was making for my NES before would end = up using less than half the chips! > > It's not so bad! > > (I dunno i= f above embeded image is gonna work. If > not, you can see it in group's p= hoto section.) > I found the little gold test points to work better than > = the vias for attaching the wires. That's yours? I didn't realize due to t= he user name. I thought it was someone who came and disappeared from here= ages ago. One thing we've seen at least is that I have a ways to go to ge= t a clean wiring job like that! I used long wires that twisted onto wire= s coming out of the add-on board because I wanted to be able to disconnect= it and return the MS to its original state easily if need be. I wasn't e= ven sure if what I was doing was going to work, after all. It was a relie= f to see it doing on a breadboard what I had planned out, but implementing= that on an actual circuit was another story. I've never modified somethi= ng this modern, now that I think about it. Well, unless you count putting= a mod chip on a Gamecube, but I didn't design that of course so it hardly= counts. > > Offhand I can't say what part of code you could dump > and = still get it to run. I think the last 16k page > is empty in most versions= of firmware (ok, I only > looked at a few, but I don't remember any that h= ad > code in last page). Why not use last page, and just > reflash the oth= er three pages with code from your dump? I did notice that 16K chunk. I w= as just afraid I might write code to erase and rewrite it, but have some u= nexpected bug maybe and then not be able to write the 64K back right away,= and take the chance on needing that 64K sector to run the Mailstation eno= ugh to run the loader app. I guess I'll just take the plunge sometime and= see how it goes! > > That would be pretty neat. I have wondered about= possibility > of interfacing to USB flash drives. If only I had an > infi= nite supply of time!!! I can't even stay up late > putzing with this stuff= anymore, 'coz I got me one of > those J.O.B. things that my girlfriend (an= d family) > have been nagging me about. :-( On the bright side, at least = you're making money to putz around with something at some point with! USB= is even less pins, but I honestly don't know much about it myself. I tri= ed to work with it via a PIC once to talk to a PC, but the protocol confus= ed me at the time. I haven't looked at it in a long time since then. I s= hould learn more about it though, because interfacing things with USB coul= d be neat. Another thing I thought about in regards to disconnecting the m= odem was to replace it with an actual serial port, which would probably be= much easier to work with than fiddling with the laplink protocol. I hav= e to admit that the laplink protocol is something that has messed with my = head many times when trying to make sure I had all my data signals and par= allel port pins working together properly, particularly since some of them= are inverted. If I ever had to write code for a parallel port communicat= ion method again, I think that maybe your serial-like protocol with just a= couple of pins might be much easier to deal with. Anyhoo, as for a seria= l port, I guess the problem that arises is how one would deal with flow co= ntrol and timing. You'd probably need an entire UART and not just some si= mple level conversion and junk. Using a PIC or an AVR might accomplish su= ch a task, but it's starting to add in more complexity and power consumpti= on than it might be worth. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: gary@... 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I tried the [= function][shift][t][power] that works on the 100 DET1, but it doesn't work = on the 200. Then I hit the reset button and you do get to the clear data s= creen, but that isn't the one you need to be in first. Is the DET1 the onl= y model that has been reprogrammed to a different ISP? From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: marcumbill@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52103 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2008 02:29:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m56.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2008 02:29:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO fmailhost03.isp.att.net) (207.115.11.53) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2008 02:29:48 -0000 X-Received: from marcumbill (adsl-070-145-009-197.sip.sdf.bellsouth.net[70.145.9.197]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc03) with ESMTP id <20080926022758H03002de76e>; Fri, 26 Sep 2008 02:27:58 +0000 X-Received: by lark (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DEDFA9B04B; Thu, 25 Sep 2008 22:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 22:27:58 -0400 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <20080926022758.GA8973@...> References: <23B28CCB-3B16-4E11-A2B3-6B87B5907127@...> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Bill Marcum Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Update of your "BasicISP" use on your Mailstation 200 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=292115287; y=U8QUFZ-ZLEjze4csUlC_WJ1KjbMserl7wWRpAqFzFzfNmz4U X-Yahoo-Profile: billmkatt Status: RO Content-Length: 787 Lines: 16 On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 09:20:12PM -0000, wd5hyq wrote: > Does anyone have the key sequence to get the Mailstation 200, DET2 > into the diagnostic screen so you can activate the flash test on it? > I tried the [function][shift][t][power] that works on the 100 DET1, > but it doesn't work on the 200. Then I hit the reset button and you > do get to the clear data screen, but that isn't the one you need to be > in first. Is the DET1 the only model that has been reprogrammed to a > different ISP? > I have a Mailstation 150. If you press and hold Function D while you press Reset, you get the menu with "Restore Default Account". To get to the diagnostic menu, you press Function-Q-A and power, you should see a small rectangle in the middle of the screen, then type "qa781206". From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59279 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2008 03:31:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2008 03:31:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46a.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.140) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2008 03:31:29 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2008 03:31:29 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2008 03:31:29 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 03:31:28 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Update of your "BasicISP" use on your Mailstation 200 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=16OnZwIKKACuQFov-CT6i9Umfv9fVdqv50sUh0_CoWrLrtDwvGgMMPoTEA X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 319 Lines: 17 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "wd5hyq" wrote: > > Does any= one have the key sequence to get the Mailstation 200, DET2 > into the diagn= ostic screen so you can activate the flash test on it? Try That works on the Cidco Mivo 200, with firmware version 4= .03M CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: louvh2@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72835 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2008 15:24:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.95) by m53.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2008 15:24:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com) (69.147.64.214) by mta16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2008 15:24:44 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n17.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2008 15:24:44 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.88] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2008 15:24:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:24:44 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Lou" Subject: Have 2 Mailstation 150 up for grabs!! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=68222956; y=ctkP6IZHmi5drMzvRltkMn2Snsn6gcZ-8u5BKi-HyQ7k X-Yahoo-Profile: louvh2 Status: RO Content-Length: 259 Lines: 17 OK I have 2 mailstation 150 that are not being used. 1) Modem doesn't wor= k and keys are worn. 2) Works good! I payed $20.00 for the good one on eba= y. So, if you want them you will have to at least pay Shipping! So let me= know! Email: LouVH2@... From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 9780 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2008 15:45:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.97) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2008 15:45:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (216.224.236.178) by mta18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2008 15:45:34 -0000 X-Received: from computer1 (computer1.handypage5.net [192.168.101.21]) by www.handypage.net (8.13.6/8.13.6/netmax) with SMTP id m8QFjnq8026980 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2008 08:45:49 -0700 To: Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 08:35:33 -0700 Message-ID: <001a01c91fed$84539470$1565a8c0@MAINCPU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C91FB2.D7F4BC70" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1933 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20080926022758.GA8973@...> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.2/8343/Fri Sep 26 02:43:08 2008 on www.handypage.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: "wayne markis" Reply-To: Subject: RE: [mailstation] Re: Update of your "BasicISP" use on yourMailstation 200 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=rPnMaJs1Zo2IG6AXm8mxVs3OvRsbWh8AD0CArgOzZDEzZaddnxe09A X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 4069 Lines: 119 ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C91FB2.D7F4BC70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The QA and then the last number sequence has something to do with the serial number of the unit. Take a look at the unit and see if the 781206 is in your serial number !!! Wayne -----Original Message----- From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Bill Marcum Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 7:28 PM To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Update of your "BasicISP" use on yourMailstation 200 On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 09:20:12PM -0000, wd5hyq wrote: > Does anyone have the key sequence to get the Mailstation 200, DET2 > into the diagnostic screen so you can activate the flash test on it? > I tried the [function][shift][t][power] that works on the 100 DET1, > but it doesn't work on the 200. Then I hit the reset button and you > do get to the clear data screen, but that isn't the one you need to be > in first. Is the DET1 the only model that has been reprogrammed to a > different ISP? > I have a Mailstation 150. If you press and hold Function D while you press Reset, you get the menu with "Restore Default Account". 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          The QA and then the last number sequence ha= s something to do with the serial number
          of the= unit.  Take a look at the unit and see if the 781206 is in your seri= al number !!!
          Wayne
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          -----Original Message-----
          F= rom: mailstation@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailstation@yahoogroups.com= ]On Behalf Of Bill Marcum
          Sent: Thursday, September 25,= 2008 7:28 PM
          To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Update of your "BasicISP" use on yourMailstatio= n 200

          On Thu, Sep 25, 2008= at 09:20:12PM -0000, wd5hyq wrote:
          > Does anyone have the key seq= uence to get the Mailstation 200, DET2
          > into the diagnostic scree= n so you can activate the flash test on it?
          > I tried the [functi= on][shift][t][power] that works on the 100 DET1,
          > but it doe= sn't work on the 200. Then I hit the reset button and you
          > do get = to the clear data screen, but that isn't the one you need to be
          > in= first. Is the DET1 the only model that has been reprogrammed to a
          &g= t; different ISP?
          >
          I have a Mailstation 150. If you press and= hold Function D while you
          press Reset, you get the menu with "Resto= re Default Account".
          To get to the diagnostic menu, you press Functio= n-Q-A and power, you
          should see a small rectangle in the middle of t= he screen, then type
          "qa781206".

          ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C91FB2.D7F4BC70-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: gary@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4113 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2008 18:56:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.218.67.94) by m52.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2008 18:56:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2008 18:56:55 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2008 18:56:55 -0000 X-Received: from [66.218.66.89] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 2008 18:56:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:56:54 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "wd5hyq" Subject: Re: Update of your "BasicISP" use on your Mailstation 200 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=351988586; y=pSFKOMjFto2y1SWyIy-PAbCUJ6c7BolgwT91q8WBYcjN X-Yahoo-Profile: wd5hyq Status: RO Content-Length: 486 Lines: 29 Thanks CJ. this is the trick that worked for my 200. --- In mailstatio= n@yahoogroups.com, "Cyrano Jones" wrote: > > --- In = mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "wd5hyq" wrote: > > > > Does anyone ha= ve the key sequence to get the Mailstation 200, DET2 > > into the diagnosti= c screen so you can activate the flash test on it? > > Try > > That works on the Cidco Mivo 200, with firmware > ver= sion 4.03M > > CJ > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 55454 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2009 09:21:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2009 09:21:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2009 09:21:49 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1254648105; bh=IZQq/wYr1vz5hRXerwsVNB3L6xTigFVlDzuBCGfek78=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:Date:To:Message-ID:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:X-Yahoo-Post-IP:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=tNkgWhTABTBRs6DGcA9DnLvmeMZILQKQql1OifV7vl8xerXY98GzItdEosHqRssjYNUtzI1XhhBjRy4fZIWBnh2x7DRDKNXsjDLvpK6iKEw4vW8wPQrVOTqzQPohHIA+ Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2009 09:21:45 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2009 09:21:45 -0000 X-Sender: jonk@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36700 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2009 06:48:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2009 06:48:52 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2009 06:48:52 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2009 06:48:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2009 06:48:47 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 06:48:45 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "jondkirwan" Subject: Overview of technical details known about the MailStation 120? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=323600762; y=vpHcHxr-5bel5iTJRdK8nRkU11XYKqpKWUjgEif6vie6MBegmg X-Yahoo-Profile: jondkirwan X-YGroups-SubInfo: t=0;f=16;g=upWRtjcc-a2pqP3Ntkg_66bJUcsBYrNsiTGlJW5HCVlz3haoTQVQLTX7klcRYZJbPlA; X-eGroups-Approved-By: searsz80 via web; 04 Oct 2009 09:21:42 -0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 2486 Lines: 50 I picked up a couple of MailStation 120's when they were $9/each, a while b= ack (three years or more?) Sitting on a shelf, so far. I'm interested in = using the LCD display, keyboard, power system (battery or wall wart) and ca= se, of course, as part of a new homebrew device that will use a new CPU (de= solder the old one, replace it.) I didn't even know this group existed, un= til today. Certainly sounds like a start was made here, though there hasn'= t been much traffic in about a year, now. I just looked over some of the d= ocumentation and did find something on the LCD (in .DOC form) here. (Proba= bly applies to the 120, but I'm not sure yet.) A 320x128 graphics LCD is f= ine for my use, if that's what it is. What I'm looking for is the more acc= urate information on schematics, processor pinout and mother board signal a= ssignments to it, etc., that might relate or help in working out a daughter= board I can use to replace the CPU unit, together with functional pin descr= iptions so that I can make reasoned assignments for the new drop-in CPU. I= don't need to know what the old CPU actually was, unless it relates to ada= pting a new one. I just need to know the Vcc supply voltage and current co= mpliance and any special considerations other than that. My board apparent= ly uses a Conexant RC224ATL modem/fax chip inside, but for now I don't plan= on using it much. I may, later on, want to use it in conjunction with PCI= modem boards I still own for PC desktop computers. But not for now. I ma= y instead set up a USB based custom adapter that attaches to the printer po= rt for PC communications. Assuming there is enough information available a= t this point to do much, at all. If not, I've got enough work ahead that i= t will have to wait for Christmas time. I am decidedly NOT interested in j= ust adapting this for dialup access to existing services, using the existin= g software on the unit. That is of no interest, at all. I'll do the O/S a= nd application software for it. Can anyone give me a boost up on this? Or= has very little really been worked out for these, as yet? Sorry to distur= b the lull, but I'm kind of curious about the possibilities and hopeful tha= t there may be others who can help me skip over some difficulties and who m= ay also be interested in results I gather over time. If it's all dead now,= that's fine. I'll just take my time and see where it takes me. Thanks ve= ry much to all, Jon From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45139 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2009 12:37:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2009 12:37:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2009 12:37:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2009 12:36:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2009 12:36:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 12:36:29 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "cyranojones_lalp" Subject: Re: Overview of technical details known about the MailStation 120? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=Fq0KT_N2SSm6Dmz4ktKTwklt3jClxqFCfApfhPCSLri5KIzsU_PQ7K8_yw X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1911 Lines: 87 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "jondkirwan" wrote: = > > I picked up a couple of MailStation 120's when they were $9/each, > a = while back (three years or more?) If you mean when Officemax blew them o= ut, that was about 4.5 years ago now. Wow, time flies, huh? :-) > I ju= st looked over some of the documentation and did > find something on the L= CD (in .DOC form) here. > (Probably applies to the 120, but I'm not sure = yet.) That doc is kinda old now, it has not been updated regarding the L= CD in the "new 120" & "new 150". The original 120 was in a purple case, a= nd has LCD as described in that doc. The "new 120" is in a dark grey case= and has a different LCD. > What I'm looking for is the more accurate info= rmation on > schematics, processor pinout and mother board signal Did you= see http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/files/part files/RSDRD= _3SI176_0A.txt (There is supposed to be a space in "part files", in case y= ahoo mangles the url and you need to paste it back together.) > I just nee= d to know the Vcc supply voltage and current > compliance and any special = considerations other than that. As far as I remember, it is 5 volt. I dun= no about current, "low" is my guess. :-) > My board apparently uses a Co= nexant RC224ATL modem/fax chip I think that is the modem in the "new 120"= , and only 2400 baud, versus 33k in the "older" models. > Can anyone give= me a boost up on this? Or has very little > really been worked out for t= hese, as yet? I'd say quite a bit has been worked out, as far as documenti= ng the hardware (and software). It's the "new development" department that= is kinda lacking! :-) :-) > Sorry to disturb the lull I've been meani= ng to create a new account, and try to post, 'coz I was getting pretty sure= the group was broked! Now I don't have to! Thanks!!! CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: donhamilton2002@... 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175336879; y=tp51S8-FLYZWZf7MTWqFa2Z6uwYCwRsBttJq8WcY6xg6dRt_D44NyRxb X-Yahoo-Profile: donhamilton2002 Status: RO Content-Length: 2836 Lines: 76 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "jondkirwan" wrote: > > I = picked up a couple of MailStation 120's when they were $9/each, a while bac= k (three years or more?) Sitting on a shelf, so far. I'm interested in us= ing the LCD display, keyboard, power system (battery or wall wart) and case= , of course, as part of a new homebrew device that will use a new CPU (deso= lder the old one, replace it.) > > I didn't even know this group existed, = until today. Certainly sounds like a start was made here, though there has= n't been much traffic in about a year, now. I just looked over some of the= documentation and did find something on the LCD (in .DOC form) here. (Pro= bably applies to the 120, but I'm not sure yet.) A 320x128 graphics LCD is= fine for my use, if that's what it is. > > What I'm looking for is the mo= re accurate information on schematics, processor pinout and mother board si= gnal assignments to it, etc., that might relate or help in working out a da= ughterboard I can use to replace the CPU unit, together with functional pin= descriptions so that I can make reasoned assignments for the new drop-in C= PU. I don't need to know what the old CPU actually was, unless it relates = to adapting a new one. I just need to know the Vcc supply voltage and curr= ent compliance and any special considerations other than that. > > My boar= d apparently uses a Conexant RC224ATL modem/fax chip inside, but for now I = don't plan on using it much. I may, later on, want to use it in conjunctio= n with PCI modem boards I still own for PC desktop computers. But not for = now. I may instead set up a USB based custom adapter that attaches to the = printer port for PC communications. Assuming there is enough information a= vailable at this point to do much, at all. If not, I've got enough work ah= ead that it will have to wait for Christmas time. > > I am decidedly NOT i= nterested in just adapting this for dialup access to existing services, usi= ng the existing software on the unit. That is of no interest, at all. I'l= l do the O/S and application software for it. > > Can anyone give me a boo= st up on this? Or has very little really been worked out for these, as yet= ? > > Sorry to disturb the lull, but I'm kind of curious about the possibi= lities and hopeful that there may be others who can help me skip over some = difficulties and who may also be interested in results I gather over time. = If it's all dead now, that's fine. I'll just take my time and see where i= t takes me. > > Thanks very much to all, > Jon > Hi Jon, Great to see n= ew blood on this project. Replacing a 100 LQFP processor is not for the fa= int of heart. Unless you are going to build a 100 LQFP adaptor, this will b= e very difficult. good luck, many will be watching. don From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22662 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2009 17:15:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2009 17:15:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-qy0-f182.google.com) (209.85.221.182) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2009 17:15:07 -0000 X-Received: by qyk12 with SMTP id 12so2108325qyk.6 for ; Sun, 04 Oct 2009 10:15:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.92.211 with SMTP id s19mr3682254qcm.46.1254676503408; Sun, 04 Oct 2009 10:15:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 10:15:03 -0700 Message-ID: <93f331ac0910041015q2e86749fua14df230ab1cbab@...> To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neil Morrison Subject: Re: [mailstation] Overview of technical details known about the MailStation 120? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=5cBaZIbET3lJOLMRU1BHP-sn7QWoOnz9V8KjDSIkZfvj7zrIqA X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 590 Lines: 17 The general view is that it is much easier and rewarding to flash it into w= hat you want. That's certainly how I feel - it could replace the Radio Shac= k Model 100 computer. Neil On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:48 PM, jondkirwan wrote: > I picked up a couple of MailStation 120'= s when they were $9/each, a while back (three years or more?) Sitting on a = shelf, so far. I'm interested in using the LCD display, keyboard, power sys= tem (battery or wall wart) and case, of course, as part of a new homebrew d= evice that will use a new CPU (desolder the old one, replace it.) 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=323600762; y=dcZdTHPTHAoR846fitF73S0CetDyXl9Q20enLj5UQQEmX85QTw X-Yahoo-Profile: jondkirwan X-YGroups-SubInfo: t=0;f=16;g=pnGlCb--m109Uf1_lpTy0Nz8pmXrvrY028lZLsG9byoywMbWiadVSyIuk3_UO0wFNBc; X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: cyranojones_lalp via web; 05 Oct 2009 00:57:17 -0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 6348 Lines: 218 On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 12:36:29 -0000, CJ wrote: >--- In mailstation@yahoogro= ups.com, "jondkirwan" wrote: >> >> I picked up a couple of MailS= tation 120's when they were $9/each, >> a while back (three years or more?= ) > >If you mean when Officemax blew them out, that was about >4.5 years= ago now. Wow, time flies, huh? :-) Yeah. I had picked up two on the of= f-chance that I might someday want to modify them for some other use. In n= o way, at the time, did I want them for what they were designed for. What = appealed to me about them was the case, battery section, keyboard, display,= and D25 connector in the back. It's all there, convenient. Also, I might= have considered scavaging the power supply circuits. Mainly, I knew up fr= ont I wanted to replace the CPU with something having a fair bit of flash a= nd some ram, yet capable of very low power operation (tens of microamps for= average duty.) >> I just looked over some of the documentation and did = >> find something on the LCD (in .DOC form) here. >> (Probably applies to= the 120, but I'm not sure yet.) > >That doc is kinda old now, it has not= been updated >regarding the LCD in the "new 120" & "new 150". >The origi= nal 120 was in a purple case, and has LCD >as described in that doc. The "= new 120" is in a dark >grey case and has a different LCD. Looks like you = got my two nailed. Thanks for the clue. >> What I'm looking for is the mo= re accurate information on >> schematics, processor pinout and mother board= signal > >Did you see >http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/fi= les/part files/RSDRD_3SI176_0A.txt Yes, I hit on that one a few hours ago.= It wasn't clear whether it applied in my case. >(There is supposed to be= a space in "part files", in case >yahoo mangles the url and you need to pa= ste it back together.) > >> I just need to know the Vcc supply voltage and = current >> compliance and any special considerations other than that. > >A= s far as I remember, it is 5 volt. I dunno about current, >"low" is my gue= ss. :-) I'd guess low, too. >> My board apparently uses a Conexant RC224= ATL modem/fax chip > >I think that is the modem in the "new 120", and only= >2400 baud, versus 33k in the "older" models. Yes, it's 2400 limited. S= o the earlier ones used the trellis style modems. Nice. I designed a 2400= bps, years (nah, decades) ago. Never tried my hand at the fancy trellis st= uff, though. >> Can anyone give me a boost up on this? Or has very little= >> really been worked out for these, as yet? > >I'd say quite a bit has b= een worked out, as far as documenting >the hardware (and software). It's t= he "new development" >department that is kinda lacking! :-) :-) Nothing = new happening? I'd like to get complete specs on the various peripheral co= mponents that exist surrounding the micro. I'd like to get the datasheet o= n the micro, itself, so that I can see what internal peripheral support it = has and how it is attached to the rest. I'd like to get the protocols used= for the LCD (does it have it's own controllers? if so, which? if not, wh= at are the details for the LCD in terms of timing diagrams and the like?) = Etc. Here's what I want eventually to do. I've two things in mind (one is= a BASIC interpreter and using the printer port for an I/O bus for extender= boards.) Both depend on getting a decent, modern development setup for it= , though. So for now, the main thing is to design a daughter board to repl= ace the existing cpu. Or else get some convincing evidence that I should j= ust keep it there. It might be smarter for me to first use SDCC with the e= xisting system until I gain enough experience with it. But right now, I'm = not sure how to proceed there. I gather already that the CPU core is Z80-l= ike, but that doesn't tell me a great deal by itself. (I used to do a lot = of 8080 and 8085 programming before the Z80 even existed and got my hands o= n Z80 assembly work with the TRS-80, memory serving.) I have SDCC loaded, = already, and integrated into the SiLabs IDE for compilation, right now. I = can use it with a DOS box, though. Anyway, how does compiled output (hex f= iles, perhaps?) get burned into the system? Is there a mechanism that's be= en worked out and works well? What hardware tools are involved in that? Et= c. If I do this way first, it will allow me a 'slow ramp' into understandi= ng the hardware details more intimately, before deciding if I should jump o= ff the cliff and place another CPU in there. An extremely low power one wo= uld be the MSP430 (has extremely good start up from sleep times) or some of= the newer PICs or even the SiLab parts (one I'm using now is about the onl= y thing going for a decent 1MHz 16-bit SAR ADC no matter what family you wa= nt to talk about.) Atmel has some interesting parts, as well. And there a= re many, many ARM choices -- though most suck a little too much power for m= y taste. I like things under 2mA on the CPU when it is running full out an= d under 10uA with a decent timer or two plus brown-out and a comparator run= ning. So that drops ARMs out, mostly. But I love the parts because of the= great compiler support from gcc. Anyway, I started to read today. I supp= ose I can slog through on my own, if you assure me a lot is out there to re= ad. But if you can point me faster, I'd sure appreciate that a lot. The f= aster I figure out the barriers, the faster I can get going. Also, do you = know where one can pick up more of these new 120's? Or new 150's? Cheap! = I picked up two at $5 and I just found another I can get at the same price= , still in the box. But if I do this, I might want to make 100 or so. (Sc= hool stuff, teaching tool of sorts.) Since I'd give them away, they need to= be cheap. If you know of any nice stockpile of them that hasn't been grou= nd into powder already and where the owner might consider getting at least = 'something' rather than having to pay for garbage disposal to get back the = shelf space, I'd like to know about it. Thanks for the quick response! Jo= n >> Sorry to disturb the lull > >I've been meaning to create a new accoun= t, and try to post, 'coz >I was getting pretty sure the group was broked! = Now I >don't have to! Thanks!!! 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=323600762; y=l5XUgsOgDPSof6zoTSwgpnpVJ8zvsStpAA5nREpcfwjr2B0Opw X-Yahoo-Profile: jondkirwan X-YGroups-SubInfo: t=0;f=16;g=jRWZRpVBUSHR96tExaYxTwPW0rbVzFyWR6u2TvSvaZzf4Bp0jeZ-7ntEEEnmi8m__Kw; X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: cyranojones_lalp via web; 05 Oct 2009 00:57:58 -0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 747 Lines: 35 On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 16:16:55 -0000, you wrote: >Hi Jon, > >Great to see ne= w blood on this project. > >Replacing a 100 LQFP processor is not for the f= aint of heart. 100 pins isn't that scary. It would be the spacing that mi= ght bother me more. If it were a BGA, that would be a problem, and I'd def= initely have to hire it out. But it's not. 100 pins, eh? >Unless you are= going to build a 100 LQFP adaptor, this will be very difficult. I was thi= nking about having a small board built for the purpose that would align wit= h the existing footprint. Of course, I'm also interested in just learning = the board peripherals, first. It's probably smarter to start there. May t= urn out that I'm fine with that, alone. Thanks, Jon From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 95212 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2009 00:59:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2009 00:59:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2009 00:59:04 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1254704293; bh=WL5BRGGsWLsaPs6dDFs3V9nfWfF5Eh2OyiNyU+c5p3U=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:To:Date:Organization:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To:X-Mailer:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=ci5stqaxMzUQKrt9bhyYFUH2IZ9sc8Wk6ohEPHZbbWywv8D0O6bNBwMB7vSiJwkpVdT4qrTL1DHgZiZ/eMS4J1LEIPKpUhF6ZfOdSxXm0OkZv8ABc8Gsa2G2OSxVAdvD Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2009 00:58:13 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2009 00:58:12 -0000 X-Sender: jonk@... 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=323600762; y=RJtqFmVDlm1Km5g5PQg2ItHqcDQhOktuXwynIHHzdnddd4tD5g X-Yahoo-Profile: jondkirwan X-YGroups-SubInfo: t=0;f=16;g=yQciSUYxU_X9vM3U-42RMoa-XOCjShYzZBysrrGhbQCZMQk1l_VwVaN_jfvsaNCF1pU; X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: cyranojones_lalp via web; 05 Oct 2009 00:58:12 -0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 549 Lines: 23 On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 10:15:03 -0700, Neil wrote: >The general view is that i= t is much easier and rewarding to flash it >into what you want. That's cert= ainly how I feel - it could replace the >Radio Shack Model 100 computer. T= hat sounds like a sane approach. As I earlier wrote, "It might be smarter = for me to first use SDCC with the existing system until I gain enough exper= ience with it." So I guess that's your advice, too. Thanks. And thanks, = all. Jon P.S. Still looking for responses on some of the other questions = I asked. 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X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17385 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2009 13:26:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2009 13:26:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2009 13:26:06 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2009 13:26:06 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2009 13:26:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 13:26:05 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "cyranojones_lalp" Subject: Re: Overview of technical details known about the MailStation 120? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=vStXBEBPUiHoY1PbcQbcOYKoeBTWC5MS_V1mtJymLWcBk0oP1Jh5ox3YWw X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 10762 Lines: 384 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, Jon Kirwan wrote: > Looks= like you got my two nailed. Thanks for the clue. Which are they? > >htt= p://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/files/part%20files/RSDRD_3SI176= _0A.txt > > Yes, I hit on that one a few hours ago. It wasn't clear wheth= er it > applied in my case. Yes. > Nothing new happening? Someone was wo= rking on getting CP/M going, but as you noted, there has been no traffic on= list in last year. And it's been over a year since I did anything on this= project. I was working up a c header to use the mailstation rom functions= that I had figured out (and I figured out quite a bit, if I do say so myse= lf!) :-) It's in file section, under "Mailstation Toolkit". I have some= stuff I didn't upload, in particular a perl script I was working on, to c= onvert resource strings & graphics into format that works with the mailsta= tion lib functions. You just link the resource data with your c code, usi= ng sdcc. And I was working on a makefile to compile mailstation apps with= sdcc. > I'd like to get complete specs on the various > peripheral compo= nents > ... I am pretty sure that everything known about the hardware is i= n the file area, in particular the "part files" folder. Also, there is a l= ist of known models in the group's database section, where some of the dif= ferences are documented. There are manufacturer datasheets for representat= ive codeflash, dataflash, and ram chips, and a few on some of the modems. T= here are notes on the cpu, lcd, and keyboard, where we never found actual = datasheets. AFAICT, they are good enough, and not having actual datasheets= is not holding anything back. I suppose the main thing lacking is data on= the blue LCD. The mailstation models are all quite similar (except 350). = The differences I can think of off hand are: Various manufacturers of me= mory chips. Ergonomic models have a slightly different keyboard matrix. 1= 20 & 150 both were made with two kinds of LCD. Caller ID chip only in whit= e/cream colored units. Various modem chips (diff speeds) 250 has cordless= phone chipset. Probably at least 20 different firmware versions. The sim= ilarities (except 350, and diff noted above): One Megabyte codeflash. 512= KByte dataflash. 128 KByte ram. All have same cpu (z80 inst set). Port = & Memory Maps are all the same. 320 x 128 monochrome LCD (but 2 diff types= exist). Parallel port. I'm just going from memory, and it has been a few= years. Perhaps I remember it wrong in some cases??? > Here's what I want= eventually to do. I've two things in mind (one is > a BASIC interpreter a= nd using the printer port for an I/O bus for > extender boards.) Both depe= nd on getting a decent, modern development > setup for it, though. So for = now, the main thing is to design a > daughter board to replace the existing= cpu. Or else get some > convincing evidence that I should just keep it th= ere. My feeling is that it would be quite hard to replace the cpu, and if = you did, you would have a powerful cpu with a tiny monochrome LCD (not even= grayscale). Perhaps you could program the ms as a terminal for more powe= rful processor? Bear in mind what you can buy a netbook, or used notebook = for. By the way, the cpu is 128 pins, and small enough to hide under a dim= e. I can't think of an easy (and good, and cheap) way to connect a sub-boa= rd. But you could put new cpu inside case, and still connect it as a term= inal (fewer wires). > It might be smarter for me to first use SDCC with th= e existing system > until I gain enough experience with it. But right now,= I'm not sure > how to proceed there. I gather already that the CPU core i= s Z80-like, > but that doesn't tell me a great deal by itself. (I used to = do a lot > of 8080 and 8085 programming before the Z80 even existed and got= my > hands on Z80 assembly work with the TRS-80, memory serving.) I have = > SDCC loaded, already, and integrated into the SiLabs IDE for > compilatio= n, right now. I can use it with a DOS box, though. Anyway, > how does com= piled output (hex files, perhaps?) get burned into the > system? Is there = a mechanism that's been worked out and works well? > What hardware tools ar= e involved in that? Etc. The most recent method I used involved poking a = few bytes into dataflash with ms built-in hex-editor, and loading a larger = block of code into the ms splash-screen file with "mailbug", a debugger for= ms that I wrote (in file section). The code entered via hex-editor is in = location ms uses for "loadable apps", and when you run that short "app", it= jumps to the larger block in the splash-screen area of the dataflash. I'= m a little fuzzy on exactly the steps, but I used the code in splash-screen= to load another app into the app area of the dataflash. This one shows up= with an icon in the ms menu, and it interfaces with mailbug to load other = apps. Since it is in dataflash, it is persistent (I didn't have to go thru = this whole procedure every time I loaded a new program.) So, then I could= click on this "bootloader" icon in ms menu, and then load hex files over a= laplink cable, using mailbug on the PC end. I didn't write a bootloader t= o load directly to dataflash. I was loading apps into ms ram with mailbug, = executing them, then a small piece of code included in app copied the app = from ram to another empty app slot in dataflash. Whew! But it worked!!!= :-) Oh yeah, I executed at a special entrypoint to run the "install" co= de, which would call ms firmware to copy the ram image to the dataflash. A= fter it had been copied to dataflash, when running the loaded app from the= ms menu, app would start from the normal entrypoint (iow, the first byte)= . Earlier methods involved overwriting the codeflash with similar bootload= er, but that killed the ms for normal operation as a mailstation. The proc= ess is documented somewhere in file section, or possibly in a message post = (almost 2 yrs ago, aprrox). I'll see if I can find it, if I ever finish rea= ding/responding to this message. ;-) One thing on my todo list (that I di= d not do yet) was to make a simpler command-line loader that could run from= the makefile, when you did "make program", so I could compile and load fro= m ide, without needing separate mailbug prog. When I was working under win= dows, I used the winavr IDE. Lately I am using Ubuntu, where at first I use= d "gedit" as IDE, but recently I found "geany" which I really like. It i= s somewhat similar to winavr's "programmers notepad", in that it is based = on same editor engine. But it seems like a more polished program, with m= ore features (better find command, for one). > If I do this way first, = it will allow me a 'slow ramp' into > understanding the hardware details mo= re intimately, before deciding if > I should jump off the cliff and place a= nother CPU in there. An > extremely low power one would be the MSP430 (has= extremely good start > up from sleep times) or some of the newer PICs or e= ven the SiLab parts > (one I'm using now is about the only thing going for = a decent 1MHz > 16-bit SAR ADC no matter what family you want to talk about= .) Atmel > has some interesting parts, as well. And there are many, many = ARM > choices -- though most suck a little too much power for my taste. I = > like things under 2mA on the CPU when it is running full out and > under = > 10uA with a decent timer or two plus brown-out and a comparator > running= . So that drops ARMs out, mostly. But I love the parts > because of the g= reat compiler support from gcc. Perhaps the reason the ARM sucks up more p= ower running full speed is because full speed on ARM is a lot faster than t= he others??? I don't know much about MSP430 other than it is a popular cho= ice. I like AVRs, mostly because I am comfortable with avr-gcc. I have an i= tch to learn more about ARM, but so far have not used any of them. PICs ar= e popular, but I can't figure out just why. I have been avoiding PICs, and= intend to continue avoiding. > Anyway, I started to read today. I suppos= e I can slog through on my > own, if you assure me a lot is out there to re= ad. But if you can > point me faster, I'd sure appreciate that a lot. The= faster I figure > out the barriers, the faster I can get going. Gosh, I c= an't assure you there's "a lot". My feeling is there is a lot of crud to w= ade through! And by "crud", I mean a lot of yammering about using the mai= lstation for email. ;^) If you notice any outright spam still there, jot = down the msg#. The file sections I mentioned probably have higher signal-= to-noise ratio than most of the message archive. There probably is some co= de in the message archive that is not in the files, but whether it is impor= tant, I dunno. I don't think fyberoptic put his stuff in yahoo group files= , so you might look for his url. Or google [fyberoptic mailstation]. His s= tuff was oriented towards running code from ram, more like a desktop comput= er (and without ms code), while my stuff was aimed at running from flash, = like an embedded-system (and running under mailstations "OS"). > Also, do= you know where one can pick up more of these new 120's? Or > new 150's? = Cheap! I picked up two at $5 and I just found another I > can get at the s= ame price, still in the box. That's the best deal I've heard of. They a= re on ebay regularly, but usually at least $10 with shipping. I imagine yo= u could get several per week for under $20. But not for $5, and not 100 at= a time. > But if I do this, I > might want to make 100 or so. (School st= uff, teaching tool of sorts.) > Since I'd give them away, they need to be c= heap. If you know of any > nice stockpile of them that hasn't been ground = into powder already and > where the owner might consider getting at least '= something' rather > than having to pay for garbage disposal to get back the= shelf space, > I'd like to know about it. I have a closet full, but I am = not looking to dump them. My girlfriend likes to tease me about them... H= ey!!! You're not really her playing a joke, are you??? :-) > Thanks for t= he quick response! No problem. I set the group to "new users moderated" s= everal months ago, and you are the first (besides a couple spammers) to pos= t under that setting. I thought it was supposed to automatically turn mode= ration off when first post was approved, but for some reason your messages = this morning (uh, yesterday morn now) still went into mod folder. I'll see= if I can change it manually if any more go there. CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92163 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2009 17:02:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2009 17:02:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO qw-out-1920.google.com) (74.125.92.144) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2009 17:02:09 -0000 X-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so1080663qwc.6 for ; Mon, 05 Oct 2009 10:02:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.229.27.19 with SMTP id g19mr316525qcc.11.1254762128894; Mon, 05 Oct 2009 10:02:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:02:08 -0700 Message-ID: <93f331ac0910051002g1746ed86tab311d7514f61a34@...> To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neil Morrison Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Overview of technical details known about the MailStation 120? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=tkZCW9tSM_wQr0hLo-6fZhZbuvNVoSsg7l2X7nq1gKQf-1ib8g X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 861 Lines: 27 From my point of view, two things would be ideal: 1) Some sort of set up where an email could be sent to the MS which would 'unlock' any model from EarthLink and let you use any dial up ISP. 2) A hardware system which would let you flash the ROM to add or alter functionality and make any model much more useful. My concern now, having been through this before, is that EarthLink will junk all of the documentation etc for these and it will be lost forever. They still do support these but for how much longer? http://kb.earthlink.net/case.asp?article=10041 Neil On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 6:26 AM, cyranojones_lalp wrote: > > > Nothing new happening? > > Someone was working on getting CP/M going, but as you noted, > there has been no traffic on list in last year. > > And it's been over a year since I did anything on this project. 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X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36645 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2009 17:14:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2009 17:14:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO hapkido.dreamhost.com) (66.33.216.122) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2009 17:14:54 -0000 X-Received: from spaceymail-a6.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by hapkido.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97B9A17F989 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:14:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from JonWork (pool-71-111-2-28.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.111.2.28]) by spaceymail-a6.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C93CA805 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:14:33 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 10:14:37 -0700 Organization: Infinite Factors Message-ID: <6q9kc5tfv6f6skqhq01t95qf0ecs1047mc@...> References: <93f331ac0910051002g1746ed86tab311d7514f61a34@...> In-Reply-To: <93f331ac0910051002g1746ed86tab311d7514f61a34@...> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jon Kirwan Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Overview of technical details known about the MailStation 120? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=323600762; y=b9ouhbsAJgOuTcEgcuQDro0YjcSwsThipwSBMlZ_dRTCQ17K-A X-Yahoo-Profile: jondkirwan X-YGroups-SubInfo: t=0;f=16;g=hXUCKChO6TbuNY9HGlxZFGkOOoV0R8cPCPxDmiKi7cbvLramXNB2iJSI9O2U-QP9luo; X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: cyranojones_lalp via web; 05 Oct 2009 21:09:57 -0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 2320 Lines: 80 On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:02:08 -0700, you wrote: >From my point of view, two = things would be ideal: > >1) Some sort of set up where an email could be se= nt to the MS which >would 'unlock' any model from EarthLink and let you use= any dial up >ISP. That already exists for my model, the 'new' 120. I use= d some instructions I found and they worked perfectly on my unit. (Well, t= o be honest, I dropped my dial-up service back in 2005 and don't now have a= site where I can test it, but all the fields are available for editing on = my unit right now. So it does appear I can set things up.) I had to follow= some 'wierd' instructions that forced me to flip out my batteries at an ex= act moment, but it worked great to reset the device and get it into a total= ly new boot mode. >2) A hardware system which would let you flash the ROM = to add or alter >functionality and make any model much more useful. Yes. = That's something I would expect as a first step. I take it, that hasn't be= en done, yet. >My concern now, having been through this before, is that Ea= rthLink >will junk all of the documentation etc for these and it will be lo= st >forever. They still do support these but for how much longer? > >http:/= /kb.earthlink.net/case.asp?article=3D10041 I'm not much interested in usin= g these with Earthlink or any other dial-up service. Too much pain/cost th= ere. Dialup is likely to go away, completely, anyway. It costs a lot to m= aintain the phone banks, modems, etc., and people are moving towards cell p= hones as their primary phone service, as well. How many more years it will= last, I don't know. But there is a lot of financial pressure, I bet, to d= ump it entirely. I would like to support a USB connection to the computer = for file exchange (make it appear like a FAT-file memory stick to the PC.) = And set up a bootstrap that would allow me to specify boot parameters for = loading specific files from the flash file system on startup. Something aki= n to the CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT of DOS days, I suppose. That would be= convenient enough that anyone could use it. The other option, as you menti= on, is hardware for flashing directly. Start there, work towards the USB so= lution, I suppose. So nothing much has been done along these lines, I gath= er. Jon From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: donhamilton2002@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86369 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2009 01:29:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m7.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2009 01:29:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2009 01:29:05 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2009 01:29:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Oct 2009 01:29:05 -0000 Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 01:29:04 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6q9kc5tfv6f6skqhq01t95qf0ecs1047mc@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Donald H" Subject: Re: Overview of technical details known about the MailStation 120? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175336879; y=s6PgjG0ewgUgtPLwudD-n_l7B-hTkV4-WI64dF-lahE-8yfdNaO4Wq5p X-Yahoo-Profile: donhamilton2002 Status: RO Content-Length: 712 Lines: 41 > > So nothing much has been done along these lines, I gather. > > Jon >= Hi Jon, The Mail Station is just a toy that has been fun, but now is obs= oleted by 32 bit Wireless devices. The amount of work is not really a prob= lem. Its the amount of return. I have looked at replacing the main board = with something else. I measured out the main board in one of my wrecked ma= chines to use the LCD, keyboard and power supply connections. I figured it= would cost about $200-400 just to get something running. For less than $1= 00 I got a ZipIt wireless device. That killed the Mail Station for me. http= ://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/zipitwireless/ So, I am sorry if I spoiled = your fun. don From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jonk@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84484 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2009 03:03:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Oct 2009 03:03:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO spaceymail-a2.g.dreamhost.com) (208.113.200.5) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2009 03:03:24 -0000 X-Received: from JonWork (pool-71-111-2-28.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.111.2.28]) by spaceymail-a2.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4F03EE3E5 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2009 20:03:23 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 20:03:27 -0700 Organization: Infinite Factors Message-ID: References: <6q9kc5tfv6f6skqhq01t95qf0ecs1047mc@...> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jon Kirwan Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Overview of technical details known about the MailStation 120? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=323600762; y=Mk-qa8D5NFr1yzQCeBrUbWQGE95lnMyd2pCWQ-pIAZ7ivzGiBw X-Yahoo-Profile: jondkirwan Status: RO Content-Length: 1038 Lines: 51 On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 01:29:04 -0000, you wrote: >> So nothing much has been= done along these lines, I gather. >> >> Jon > >Hi Jon, > >The Mail Statio= n is just a toy that has been fun, but now is obsoleted by 32 bit Wireless = devices. > >The amount of work is not really a problem. > >Its the amount o= f return. > >I have looked at replacing the main board with something else.= > >I measured out the main board in one of my wrecked machines to use the = LCD, keyboard and power supply connections. > >I figured it would cost abou= t $200-400 just to get something running. > >For less than $100 I got a Zip= It wireless device. >That killed the Mail Station for me. >http://tech.grou= ps.yahoo.com/group/zipitwireless/ > >So, I am sorry if I spoiled your fun. = > >don Actually, that's a great reference and not a problem, at all. I'm = glad you mentioned it. I still would like to play around with the 120 some= more (and I will, I think, if I can get sufficiently educated to do someth= ing sensible with it.) Thanks, Jon From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jonk@... 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=323600762; y=1y0JBMoJ3RVMKEy0C_wN5hXD9uDimSoUbG0QbPJHqVIkiBM2pw X-Yahoo-Profile: jondkirwan Status: RO Content-Length: 407 Lines: 19 On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 01:29:04 -0000, you wrote: > >For less than $100= I got a ZipIt wireless device. >That killed the Mail Station for me. > Oh, my. A full-sized keyboard is pretty much a requirement in my case.= Are these as tiny as they look?? And they seem to use backlit color scre= ens, nowadays. Power consumption is probably off the charts for me. Inter= esting, though. Jon From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 59963 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2009 01:53:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2009 01:53:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-ew0-f218.google.com) (209.85.219.218) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2009 01:53:33 -0000 X-Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so199697ewy.19 for ; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:53:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.216.26.206 with SMTP id c56mr489709wea.209.1254880412349; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:53:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from NewBaby (d66-183-34-250.bchsia.telus.net [66.183.34.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p37sm731703gvf.29.2009.10.06.18.53.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:53:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:44:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B1_01CA46B5.0FC7AED0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Overview of technical details known about the MailStation 120? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=0sk1VkWnlSEIts9tVVMK4p-KbVKyVRZuvMaau7paE8UmaHIDQA X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 2613 Lines: 100 ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01CA46B5.0FC7AED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can you type a novel on a ZipIt for 20 hours while flying over the Pacific?= With a pocket full of AA cells you're good to go with a modified Mailstati= on. Neil --------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------ From: Donald H Hi Jon, The Mail Station is just a t= oy that has been fun, but now is obsoleted by 32 bit Wireless devices. The= amount of work is not really a problem. Its the amount of return. I have= looked at replacing the main board with something else. I measured out th= e main board in one of my wrecked machines to use the LCD, keyboard and pow= er supply connections. I figured it would cost about $200-400 just to get = something running. For less than $100 I got a ZipIt wireless device. That = killed the Mail Station for me. http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/zipitwir= eless/ So, I am sorry if I spoiled your fun. don ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01CA46B5.0FC7AED0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable = =
          Can you type a novel on a ZipIt for 20 hour= s while flying over the Pacific? With a pocket full of AA cells you're goo= d to go with a modified Mailstation.

          Neil
           

          From: Donald H

          Hi Jon,

          The Mai= l Station is just a toy that has been fun, but now is obsoleted by 32 bit = Wireless devices.

          The amount of work is not really a problem.
          Its the amount of return.

          I have looked at replacing the main boa= rd with something else.

          I measured out the main board in one of my = wrecked machines to use the LCD, keyboard and power supply connections.
          I figured it would cost about $200-400 just to get something running.=

          For less than $100 I got a ZipIt wireless device.
          That killed t= he Mail Station for me.
          http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/zipitwireles= s/

          So, I am sorry if I spoiled your fun.

          don
          ------=_NextPart_000_00B1_01CA46B5.0FC7AED0-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: donhamilton2002@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 14766 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2009 04:06:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Oct 2009 04:06:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Oct 2009 04:06:29 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2009 04:06:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Oct 2009 04:06:29 -0000 Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 04:06:27 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Donald H" Subject: Re: Overview of technical details known about the MailStation 120? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175336879; y=IbHnd-eETR5JFRDcf2GhnLTFqiUlB3JwNLWrrJvCyV3ZkeMsvgwG3Lfh X-Yahoo-Profile: donhamilton2002 Status: RO Content-Length: 322 Lines: 19 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Morrison" wrote= : > > Can you type a novel on a ZipIt for 20 hours while flying over the Pa= cific? With a pocket full of AA cells you're good to go with a modified Mai= lstation. You are correct, I wanted a email machine. You need a novel kee= per. don From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic1979@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79592 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2009 04:46:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Dec 2009 04:46:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 2009 04:46:38 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2009 04:46:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2009 04:46:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 04:45:59 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="9-2964568281-9127027967=:5" X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "fyberoptic1979" Subject: Mailtstation Emulation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=102236512; y=1od1bWGIomdABEtLfaICMSddGd1ueKLr0EZx212YcXUs4g_dlUrpcWA X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 10312 Lines: 243 --9-2964568281-9127027967=:5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hiya folks, been a while since I checked here. Nice to see there's at leas= t been a few posts recently, though! Anyhow, I was trying to get a version= of CP/M written a while back for the Mailstation, and even did that hardwa= re mod for banking out the first 16KB of address space with ram just specif= ically for that. But then a combination of distractions as well as the lof= ty goals of writing like a storage system for the Flash memory and everythi= ng just kind of pulled me away from Mailstation work. Part was laziness to= o though, I admit, since it's tedious to write code on the PC, compile, tra= nsfer it to the Mailstation, see if it works. If not, try to debug what ha= ppened by trying to write things to the screen, etc. And even then you're = not getting all the information you might want for debugging purposes, espe= cially if you crashed it. Definitely a pain. So recently, when the notion= of messing around with the MS again started rattling around in my head, I = realized that the only reasonable way for me to continue developing anythin= g elaborate was to emulate the hardware on the PC. More lofty goals! But = the more I thought about it, the more I realized that the hardest part was = going to be the CPU. And as luck would have it, I found something called l= ibz80 to do the job for me. It has hooks for reading/writing memory and I/= O, which works great for all the device/page switching that the Mailstation= does. Well, turns out, libz80 has a ton of emulation bugs, which were mes= sing me up for a few days. I've corrected many of them in the source (it's= very well written and easy to modify compared to another z80 emulation lib= rary I saw), and notified the author, who seemed eager to get a fixed versi= on up as soon as possible. So now, after much debugging and digging throug= h assembly output, I've successfully gotten to what appears to be a Mailsta= tion error screen, and then the cpu is intentionally halted. =A0Here's an i= mage: I have no idea what is resulting in the behavior at this point, bu= t it's the first visible indication of progress so far, so I thought I'd sh= are it for anyone interested. As for the technical details: - The Mailsta= tion memory map is properly emulated, with codeflash page 0 in the first 16= K, and RAM page 0 in the last 16K. - Device/page switching via I/O ports is= functional for the middle two 16K slots - Devices emulated so far: RAM (re= ad/write), Codeflash (read), Dataflash (read/write), LCD (write) - Dataflas= h has sector-erase and byte-program chip functions emulated - LCD is curren= tly written into buffers (one for each LCD half), and later dumped to separ= ate files. =A0The LCD CAS bit is properly emulated to make this possible. = =A0I've written a separate utility to convert the raw binary files into vie= wable BMP images. I've started writing in PDCurses support to give a deb= ugger interface. Though I've also done /raw and /silent command line switc= hes. The former dumps disassembly and debug output straight to the screen,= which can be redirected to a file. The latter disables all output, speedi= ng emulation up considerably. I've actually done 100% of my debugging so f= ar by using /raw and dumping to a text file, which has grown upwards to 200= MB! I'm hoping to get the debugging interface working eventually to avoid = this roundabout way of doing it. Another possibly interesting tidbit is th= at I'm modifying the codeflash at emulator startup, and changing the Mailst= ation's delay() function to simply RET immediately. It was outputting tons= of useless information during that call. I don't think this will hurt my = emulation at all, especially since I'm not even emulating interrupts/timers= yet. I'm running on the Mailstation v2.53 firmware for this, with a dataf= lash dump I made from my v3.03 firmware. I have no idea if this will cause= issues, but it's the only dataflash image I have. The reason I'm using th= e 2.53 firmware is because I have a very commented disassembly file of code= flash page 0 for that version, which has helped a ton in debugging. I woul= d love to have more disassembled pages with comments like this, if anyone h= as them! I've spent a lot of time commenting some of the later pages mysel= f to the best of my ability, which has slowed me down a lot. Anyhow, the n= ext biggest thing is to get the LCD actually emulated visually in real-time= . In order to make it all as cross-platform as possible, I might be able t= o do it with SDL, but I'll have to see what I can do. The other big thing = is to track down why the Mailstation is halting after showing this screen. = It'll take a lot more digging through disassembled Mailstation source I gu= ess, since the initialization routine it was running was in another page of= the codeflash. But I'm still making progress, albeit slowly! --9-2964568281-9127027967=:5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hiya folks, been a while since I checked here. Nice to see there's at leas= t been a few posts recently, though!

          Anyhow, I was trying to get a v= ersion of CP/M written a while back for the Mailstation, and even did that = hardware mod for banking out the first 16KB of address space with ram just = specifically for that. But then a combination of distractions as well as t= he lofty goals of writing like a storage system for the Flash memory and ev= erything just kind of pulled me away from Mailstation work.

          Part w= as laziness too though, I admit, since it's tedious to write code on the PC= , compile, transfer it to the Mailstation, see if it works. If not, try to= debug what happened by trying to write things to the screen, etc. And eve= n then you're not getting all the information you might want for debugging = purposes, especially if you crashed it. Definitely a pain.

          So recen= tly, when the notion of messing around with the MS again started rattling a= round in my head, I realized that the only reasonable way for me to continu= e developing anything elaborate was to emulate the hardware on the PC. Mor= e lofty goals!

          But the more I thought about it, the more I realized = that the hardest part was going to be the CPU. And as luck would have it, = I found something called libz80 to do the job for me. It has hooks for rea= ding/writing memory and I/O, which works great for all the device/page swit= ching that the Mailstation does.

          Well, turns out, libz80 has a ton o= f emulation bugs, which were messing me up for a few days. I've corrected = many of them in the source (it's very well written and easy to modify compa= red to another z80 emulation library I saw), and notified the author, who s= eemed eager to get a fixed version up as soon as possible.

          So now, a= fter much debugging and digging through assembly output, I've successfully = gotten to what appears to be a Mailstation error screen, and then the cpu i= s intentionally halted. =A0Here's an image:


          I have no idea what is res= ulting in the behavior at this point, but it's the first visible indication= of progress so far, so I thought I'd share it for anyone interested.

          As for the technical details:

          - The Mailstation memory map is proper= ly emulated, with codeflash page 0 in the first 16K, and RAM page 0 in the = last 16K.
          - Device/page switching via I/O ports is functional for the mi= ddle two 16K slots
          - Devices emulated so far: RAM (read/write), Codeflas= h (read), Dataflash (read/write), LCD (write)
          - Dataflash has sector-era= se and byte-program chip functions emulated
          - LCD is currently written i= nto buffers (one for each LCD half), and later dumped to separate files. = =A0The LCD CAS bit is properly emulated to make this possible. =A0I've writ= ten a separate utility to convert the raw binary files into viewable BMP im= ages.


          I've started writing in PDCurses support to give a debu= gger interface. Though I've also done /raw and /silent command line switch= es. The former dumps disassembly and debug output straight to the screen, = which can be redirected to a file. The latter disables all output, speedin= g emulation up considerably. I've actually done 100% of my debugging so fa= r by using /raw and dumping to a text file, which has grown upwards to 200M= B! I'm hoping to get the debugging interface working eventually to avoid t= his roundabout way of doing it.

          Another possibly interesting tidbit = is that I'm modifying the codeflash at emulator startup, and changing the M= ailstation's delay() function to simply RET immediately. It was outputting= tons of useless information during that call. I don't think this will hur= t my emulation at all, especially since I'm not even emulating interrupts/t= imers yet.

          I'm running on the Mailstation v2.53 firmware for this, w= ith a dataflash dump I made from my v3.03 firmware. I have no idea if this= will cause issues, but it's the only dataflash image I have. The reason I= 'm using the 2.53 firmware is because I have a very commented disassembly f= ile of codeflash page 0 for that version, which has helped a ton in debuggi= ng. I would love to have more disassembled pages with comments like this, = if anyone has them! I've spent a lot of time commenting some of the later = pages myself to the best of my ability, which has slowed me down a lot.
          =
          Anyhow, the next biggest thing is to get the LCD actually emulated visu= ally in real-time. In order to make it all as cross-platform as possible, = I might be able to do it with SDL, but I'll have to see what I can do.
          The other big thing is to track down why the Mailstation is halting af= ter showing this screen. It'll take a lot more digging through disassemble= d Mailstation source I guess, since the initialization routine it was runni= ng was in another page of the codeflash. But I'm still making progress, al= beit slowly!




          --9-2964568281-9127027967=:5-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 58847 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2009 20:52:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Dec 2009 20:52:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 2009 20:52:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2009 20:50:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Dec 2009 20:50:37 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:50:35 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="5-3486156802-7325407814=:7" X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "fyberoptic1979" Subject: Re: Mailtstation Emulation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=427034928; y=XBGnvWhbXx4GuShOwVhR4ab0O_zTuJ80GNYss7q3ENX3uZ8PIUaTmw8 X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 5145 Lines: 141 --5-3486156802-7325407814=:7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've made some progress, after muchhhh firmware disassembly, tracing throu= gh the startup procedure. =A0 First up, I've gone to SDL for graphics, so = now the LCD can be updated in mostly real-time (not too often though or it = slows down emulation considerably). I emulated the power and battery bits = of port 9, so that it actually thinks it's not about to burn out. =A0This g= ot rid of the previous screen I was seeing (which I assume was a low batter= y warning, despite the missing text), and now simply displayed the logo ins= tead (without the blank message box on top) before halting. So after a whi= le of more tracing through things, I realized that maybe I just needed to w= arm-boot the system, since it does have a cold-boot procedure too, and it s= eemed to be running this every time (messing with dataflash, setting up ram= , etc). =A0So upon receiving the CPU halt, I told it to simply reboot autom= atically instead (keeping ram/dataflash changes intact). =A0Then, low and b= ehold: Same shot as above, except from the v3.03 firmware: I th= ink maybe an interrupt automatically wakes it back up normally instead of h= aving to push the power button again? =A0I'll have to look into it more. = =A0 Anyway, I tried the v3.03 firmware again to see if that would make a = difference due to the dataflash image I'm using, but I still get the reset = menu. =A0Which I later remembered is what normally happens when you cold-bo= ot a Mailstation. =A0 I also tried setting the "bootstate" ram byte to 0x5= a at startup to avoid all the cold-boot initialization stuff, to maybe get = straight to the main menu, but it just perpetually reboots then. =A0I'm obv= iously missing something it needs/wants to work properly in that respect. = So it looks like the next step is to properly emulate keypresses, in order = to get past this screen! =A0That'll require triggering an interrupt too. = =A0Only part I'm worried about is that I seem to recall the key scanning fu= nction relies on a timer to know how long you've held down a key, and I don= 't know if I'll ever be able to emulate that with complete accuracy (especi= ally since the Z80 cpu library I'm using just emulates instructions, not cl= ock cycles). =A0But we'll see. --5-3486156802-7325407814=:7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

          I've made some progress, after muchhhh firmware disassembly, tracing = through the startup procedure. =A0

          First up, I've gone to SDL for gra= phics, so now the LCD can be updated in mostly real-time (not too often tho= ugh or it slows down emulation considerably).

          I emulated the power an= d battery bits of port 9, so that it actually thinks it's not about to burn= out. =A0This got rid of the previous screen I was seeing (which I assume w= as a low battery warning, despite the missing text), and now simply display= ed the logo instead (without the blank message box on top) before halting.<= /P>

          So after a while of more tracing through things, I realized that mayb= e I just needed to warm-boot the system, since it does have a cold-boot pro= cedure too, and it seemed to be running this every time (messing with dataf= lash, setting up ram, etc). =A0So upon receiving the CPU halt, I told it to= simply reboot automatically instead (keeping ram/dataflash changes intact)= . =A0Then, low and behold:






          Same shot as abov= e, except from the v3.03 firmware:


          I think maybe = an interrupt automatically wakes it back up normally instead of having to p= ush the power button again? =A0I'll have to look into it more. =A0

          <= P>Anyway, I tried the v3.03 firmware again to see if that would make a diff= erence due to the dataflash image I'm using, but I still get the reset menu= . =A0Which I later remembered is what normally happens when you cold-boot a= Mailstation. =A0

          I also tried setting the "bootstate" ram byte to 0x= 5a at startup to avoid all the cold-boot initialization stuff, to maybe get= straight to the main menu, but it just perpetually reboots then. =A0I'm ob= viously missing something it needs/wants to work properly in that respect.<= /P>

          So it looks like the next step is to properly emulate keypresses, in = order to get past this screen! =A0That'll require triggering an interrupt t= oo. =A0Only part I'm worried about is that I seem to recall the key scannin= g function relies on a timer to know how long you've held down a key, and I= don't know if I'll ever be able to emulate that with complete accuracy (es= pecially since the Z80 cpu library I'm using just emulates instructions, no= t clock cycles). =A0But we'll see.



          --5-3486156802-7325407814=:7-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: donhamilton2002@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40226 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2009 05:43:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2009 05:43:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2009 05:43:16 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2009 05:38:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2009 05:38:37 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 05:38:35 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Donald H" Subject: Re: Mailtstation Emulation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175336879; y=y6ynT2N36Xs3faPlVDRY-qsvwS5WCkftJ532r5Vv7QppGSMuaNLSYWji X-Yahoo-Profile: donhamilton2002 Status: RO Content-Length: 5283 Lines: 174 Looks like nice work. ARe you running this emulator under Linux or Windows= ? don --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "fyberoptic1979" wrote: > > Hiya folks, been a while since I checked here. Nice to = see there's at > least been a few posts recently, though! > > Anyhow, I wa= s trying to get a version of CP/M written a while back for > the Mailstatio= n, and even did that hardware mod for banking out the > first 16KB of addre= ss space with ram just specifically for that. But > then a combination of = distractions as well as the lofty goals of writing > like a storage system = for the Flash memory and everything just kind of > pulled me away from Mail= station work. > > Part was laziness too though, I admit, since it's tediou= s to write code > on the PC, compile, transfer it to the Mailstation, see i= f it works. If > not, try to debug what happened by trying to write things= to the screen, > etc. And even then you're not getting all the informatio= n you might > want for debugging purposes, especially if you crashed it. D= efinitely a > pain. > > So recently, when the notion of messing around wit= h the MS again started > rattling around in my head, I realized that the on= ly reasonable way for > me to continue developing anything elaborate was to= emulate the hardware > on the PC. More lofty goals! > > But the more I t= hought about it, the more I realized that the hardest > part was going to b= e the CPU. And as luck would have it, I found > something called libz80 to= do the job for me. It has hooks for > reading/writing memory and I/O, whi= ch works great for all the > device/page switching that the Mailstation doe= s. > > Well, turns out, libz80 has a ton of emulation bugs, which were mes= sing > me up for a few days. I've corrected many of them in the source (it= 's > very well written and easy to modify compared to another z80 emulation= > library I saw), and notified the author, who seemed eager to get a fixed= > version up as soon as possible. > > So now, after much debugging and di= gging through assembly output, I've > successfully gotten to what appears t= o be a Mailstation error screen, > and then the cpu is intentionally halted= . =A0Here's an image: > > > > I have no idea what is resulting in the be= havior at this point, but it's > the first visible indication of progress s= o far, so I thought I'd share > it for anyone interested. > > As for the t= echnical details: > > - The Mailstation memory map is properly emulated, w= ith codeflash page 0 > in the first 16K, and RAM page 0 in the last 16K. > = - Device/page switching via I/O ports is functional for the middle two > 16= K slots > - Devices emulated so far: RAM (read/write), Codeflash (read), Da= taflash > (read/write), LCD (write) > - Dataflash has sector-erase and byte= -program chip functions emulated > - LCD is currently written into buffers = (one for each LCD half), and > later dumped to separate files. =A0The LCD C= AS bit is properly emulated > to make this possible. =A0I've written a sepa= rate utility to convert > the raw binary files into viewable BMP images. > = > > > I've started writing in PDCurses support to give a debugger interf= ace. > Though I've also done /raw and /silent command line switches. The = > former dumps disassembly and debug output straight to the screen, which >= can be redirected to a file. The latter disables all output, speeding > e= mulation up considerably. I've actually done 100% of my debugging so > far= by using /raw and dumping to a text file, which has grown upwards to > 200= MB! I'm hoping to get the debugging interface working eventually to > avoi= d this roundabout way of doing it. > > Another possibly interesting tidbit= is that I'm modifying the codeflash > at emulator startup, and changing th= e Mailstation's delay() function to > simply RET immediately. It was outpu= tting tons of useless information > during that call. I don't think this w= ill hurt my emulation at all, > especially since I'm not even emulating int= errupts/timers yet. > > I'm running on the Mailstation v2.53 firmware for = this, with a dataflash > dump I made from my v3.03 firmware. I have no ide= a if this will cause > issues, but it's the only dataflash image I have. T= he reason I'm using > the 2.53 firmware is because I have a very commented = disassembly file of > codeflash page 0 for that version, which has helped a= ton in debugging. > I would love to have more disassembled pages with com= ments like this, if > anyone has them! I've spent a lot of time commenting= some of the later > pages myself to the best of my ability, which has slow= ed me down a lot. > > Anyhow, the next biggest thing is to get the LCD act= ually emulated > visually in real-time. In order to make it all as cross-p= latform as > possible, I might be able to do it with SDL, but I'll have to = see what I > can do. > > The other big thing is to track down why the Mail= station is halting > after showing this screen. It'll take a lot more digg= ing through > disassembled Mailstation source I guess, since the initializa= tion > routine it was running was in another page of the codeflash. But I'= m > still making progress, albeit slowly! > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39421 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2009 23:27:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2009 23:27:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2009 23:27:40 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2009 23:25:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2009 23:25:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 23:25:01 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "FyberOptic" Subject: Re: Mailtstation Emulation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=427034928; y=UJvAGY5s3k_f8U_ZDCKg4LcrVWb1oAQfpIQqHe2gRk_4X8LqemLKvK4 X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 456 Lines: 20 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Donald H" wrote:= > > Looks like nice work. > > ARe you running this emulator under Linux o= r Windows ? > > don > I'm compiling/running it under Windows at the mom= ent, though I'm thinking it won't take much in terms of tweaks to make it r= un in Linux. I've never tried writing an SDL-based app in Linux, though, s= o at this point I don't know if it involves anything extra or not. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: donhamilton2002@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 3984 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2009 23:45:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Dec 2009 23:45:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n39b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.153) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2009 23:45:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n39.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2009 23:45:14 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Dec 2009 23:45:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 23:45:13 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Donald H" Subject: Re: Mailtstation Emulation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175336879; y=gjYKzDvJEbJMSUazY069gN1BWqswZeSsc3EmTvus-FRWgOJbUGF_pGG7 X-Yahoo-Profile: donhamilton2002 Status: RO Content-Length: 676 Lines: 35 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "FyberOptic" wrote: = > > --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Donald H" wrote= : > > > > Looks like nice work. > > > > ARe you running this emulator unde= r Linux or Windows ? > > > > don > > > > > I'm compiling/running it und= er Windows at the moment, though I'm thinking it won't take much in terms o= f tweaks to make it run in Linux. I've never tried writing an SDL-based ap= p in Linux, though, so at this point I don't know if it involves anything e= xtra or not. > I am new to emulators, so this would act as a learning tool= . Will you be making your code available ? Thanks don From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15540 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2009 00:31:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2009 00:31:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2009 00:31:29 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2009 00:31:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2009 00:31:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 00:31:09 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="6-5441546490-8239999316=:9" X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "FyberOptic" Subject: Re: Mailstation Emulation - Episode Three X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=427034928; y=oBcTZ8l-nnD2qLRWpJAGZfcAOLLr38hzR__EnjdHIG2Hy2v_dX_vwog X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 9990 Lines: 227 --6-5441546490-8239999316=:9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A little more progress. Turns out, the Mailstation halting after showing t= he logo was simply standard routine. The firmware runs through the message= loop checking for things to do, and when there are no more, it HALTs the C= PU. The rest of the hardware stays running, while the CPU waits for an int= errupt to wake it up. When that happens, the interrupt routine is triggere= d, new events are possibly added to the message queue based on what the int= errupt was, and then it returns into the message loop to do it all over aga= in. Originally, I was resetting the Mailstation emulation after getting st= uck at the logo, and then managing to get to the settings reset menu. Turn= s out, when I manually pumped a bunch of keyboard interrupts while at that = logo screen (repeatedly running the message loop again), it kept doing thin= gs. It eventually popped a dialog box up: Yet again, there's no text, j= ust like in that low battery warning I got originally. I don't know what's= wrong with that aspect. Maybe there's still a bug in the Z80 emulation?? = Anyway, eventually I deduced that this must be a configuration error dialo= g (since I'm using dataflash from a different firmware version). But, I ha= d no way to push the button to continue. Meanwhile, I came up with a crude= way to emulate hardware timing, by incrementing a counter every time a byt= e is read or written from address space (this happens when reading in instr= uctions as well as data). So from there, I was able to implement a time16 = and a keyboard interrupt to happen automatically, intertwined with port 3's= interrupt mask to know whether they should be triggered (and handle when a= n interrupt gets "reset" during the interrupt routine). So now the error d= ialog eventually popped up automatically whenever I started up the emulator= . But I still couldn't press enter to bypass it. Resetting the Mailstatio= n still took me to that "Reset Settings" menu, mind you, but I couldn't do = anything there either. So, I put together a way to emulate the keyboard ma= trix hardware (required ORing and ANDing of values to respond to how the Ma= ilstation checks the whole grid at a time to see if it even needs to proces= s individual keys), and then quickly tacked in support for the enter key ba= sed on my actual keyboard's input. Due to the slowness of emulation at the= moment, I had to hold the key in just slightly longer than on the real har= dware, but it totally worked. It closed the error dialog, and moved along:= I really need to figure out why the text isn't printing. But yeah, it'= s obviously the configuration screen. I just can't type in any settings ye= t since the enter key is all that's tied to my actual keyboard. When you k= eep pressing it, the cursor jumps to each setting's area on the screen, and= eventually jumps to the top again. I've gotta come up with a way to trans= late PC scancodes to the memory array I'm using to replicate the keyboard m= atrix, then I should be all set on input. Well, then I had a thought. If= v2.53's firmware didn't like my dataflash and wanted me to reset everythin= g, then what would happen with the v3.03 firmware which actually goes with = that dataflash image? Turns out, it must like it just fine, because I'm ge= tting no errors. But I'm not getting anything else, either. While sitting= at the logo screen, it waits for keyboard interrupts to happen for a littl= e while, and then eventually changes the interrupt mask to 0x39 (00111001).= That means it's no longer listening for the keyboard (which normally trig= gers 64 times a second I think). From what we know (or what I know based o= n stuff from here), these interrupts on now are "null", "null", "time16", a= nd "maybe rtc". My time16 interrupt keeps going off approximately once a s= econd (since I believe that was the proper rate), at least. I tried manual= ly triggering rtc interrupts, but haven't gotten anything to happen. So I = don't know what's going on at this point without more disassembling. Here'= s the v3.03 firmware logo if anyone's interested: It might be worth noti= ng that if I use garbage for dataflash with v3.03 instead of the image file= I have of it, then I get identical behavior to v2.53 so far: an error dial= og after the logo, and then proceeding to the configuration window upon pre= ssing enter. So I'm left to assume that even when v2.53's configuration is= set (once I get more keyboard support), then I'll get stuck at the startup= somewhere too. Anyway, I guess that's all I got for now. I just really w= ant to fix that text rendering problem! --6-5441546490-8239999316=:9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A little more progress.

          Turns out, the Mailstation halting after sh= owing the logo was simply standard routine. The firmware runs through the = message loop checking for things to do, and when there are no more, it HALT= s the CPU. The rest of the hardware stays running, while the CPU waits for= an interrupt to wake it up. When that happens, the interrupt routine is t= riggered, new events are possibly added to the message queue based on what = the interrupt was, and then it returns into the message loop to do it all o= ver again.

          Originally, I was resetting the Mailstation emulation aft= er getting stuck at the logo, and then managing to get to the settings rese= t menu. Turns out, when I manually pumped a bunch of keyboard interrupts w= hile at that logo screen (repeatedly running the message loop again), it ke= pt doing things. It eventually popped a dialog box up:

           
          Yet again, there's no text, just like in that low battery warning I got or= iginally. I don't know what's wrong with that aspect. Maybe there's still= a bug in the Z80 emulation?? Anyway, eventually I deduced that this must = be a configuration error dialog (since I'm using dataflash from a different= firmware version). But, I had no way to push the button to continue.
          <= br>Meanwhile, I came up with a crude way to emulate hardware timing, by inc= rementing a counter every time a byte is read or written from address space= (this happens when reading in instructions as well as data). So from ther= e, I was able to implement a time16 and a keyboard interrupt to happen auto= matically, intertwined with port 3's interrupt mask to know whether they sh= ould be triggered (and handle when an interrupt gets "reset" during the int= errupt routine). So now the error dialog eventually popped up automaticall= y whenever I started up the emulator. But I still couldn't press enter to = bypass it. Resetting the Mailstation still took me to that "Reset Settings= " menu, mind you, but I couldn't do anything there either.

          So, I put= together a way to emulate the keyboard matrix hardware (required ORing and= ANDing of values to respond to how the Mailstation checks the whole grid a= t a time to see if it even needs to process individual keys), and then quic= kly tacked in support for the enter key based on my actual keyboard's input= . Due to the slowness of emulation at the moment, I had to hold the key in= just slightly longer than on the real hardware, but it totally worked. It= closed the error dialog, and moved along:



          I really need to= figure out why the text isn't printing. But yeah, it's obviously the conf= iguration screen. I just can't type in any settings yet since the enter ke= y is all that's tied to my actual keyboard. When you keep pressing it, the= cursor jumps to each setting's area on the screen, and eventually jumps to= the top again. I've gotta come up with a way to translate PC scancodes to= the memory array I'm using to replicate the keyboard matrix, then I should= be all set on input.


          Well, then I had a thought. If v2.53's fi= rmware didn't like my dataflash and wanted me to reset everything, then wha= t would happen with the v3.03 firmware which actually goes with that datafl= ash image? Turns out, it must like it just fine, because I'm getting no er= rors. But I'm not getting anything else, either. While sitting at the log= o screen, it waits for keyboard interrupts to happen for a little while, an= d then eventually changes the interrupt mask to 0x39 (00111001). That mean= s it's no longer listening for the keyboard (which normally triggers 64 tim= es a second I think). From what we know (or what I know based on stuff fro= m here), these interrupts on now are "null", "null", "time16", and "maybe r= tc". My time16 interrupt keeps going off approximately once a second (sinc= e I believe that was the proper rate), at least. I tried manually triggeri= ng rtc interrupts, but haven't gotten anything to happen. So I don't know = what's going on at this point without more disassembling.

          Here's the= v3.03 firmware logo if anyone's interested:



          It might be worth = noting that if I use garbage for dataflash with v3.03 instead of the image = file I have of it, then I get identical behavior to v2.53 so far: an error = dialog after the logo, and then proceeding to the configuration window upon= pressing enter. So I'm left to assume that even when v2.53's configuratio= n is set (once I get more keyboard support), then I'll get stuck at the sta= rtup somewhere too.

          Anyway, I guess that's all I got for now. I jus= t really want to fix that text rendering problem! --6-5441546490-8239999316=:9-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96112 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2009 00:33:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2009 00:33:43 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2009 00:33:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2009 00:33:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2009 00:33:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 00:33:37 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "FyberOptic" Subject: Re: Mailtstation Emulation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=427034928; y=1Oc5WZC0B3LIMb_bKTU9sjyZ7CxC7hBpasrPCPBEZAXMmKWI3Nk85yk X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 480 Lines: 21 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Donald H" wrote:= > > I am new to emulators, so this would act as a learning tool. > > Wil= l you be making your code available ? > > Thanks > > don > Yeah I don't = see why not. I released all the source to Mailstation things I've written = before and all. Right now it's a mess though, full of lots of debugging st= uff that would only make sense to me. Not to mention, it's not very functi= onal just yet! From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40555 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2009 15:13:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2009 15:13:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2009 15:13:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2009 15:13:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2009 15:13:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:13:29 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "cyranojones_lalp" Subject: Re: Mailstation Emulation - Episode Three X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=-WvEQtLwAoAJCtUBE4TJS7GMtmnRzcjR2vd40XlCCX93VHIAs7thvvDQiw X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 7202 Lines: 254 --- FyberOptic wrote: > Turns out, the Mailstation halting after showing= the logo was simply > standard routine. The firmware runs through the mes= sage loop checking > for things to do, and when there are no more, it HALTs= the CPU. The > rest of the hardware stays running, while the CPU waits fo= r an interrupt > to wake it up. When that happens, the interrupt routine i= s triggered, > new events are possibly added to the message queue based on = what the > interrupt was, and then it returns into the message loop to do i= t all > over again. I saw your message the other night, and was stuck tryi= ng to think of why the dialog box popped up. And then I fell asleep before= finishing the post I was working on... Yeah, that's why it halts. It n= ever occured to me that it had emptied the event queue, and was supposed t= o halt. I have no guess why the text is not printing. I was going to ment= ion that you will not get past the splash screen until you emulate the 60 H= z interrupt. In addition to scanning the keyboard, it also increments a se= t of ten timers, and these timers are used whenever they put something on t= he screen that needs to change after some delay. Such as the splash being = erased, and moving on to the main menu (or user select sometimes). They se= t a timer, and return to the os. (As Mr. Popeil says, "you just set it...= and forget it!!!) They never just spin in a delay loop. And when the os= has another event for that app, the os calls the app, passing the event a= s param. Any app that uses timers also implements a response for timer eve= nts. The splash is a simple app that just displays the splash image, sets= timer, and then when it gets the timer event, it makes a call that change= s the current app to either the main menu, or if there is more than one use= r, the select user app (or when no user accts are set up yet, the create = user app). > this must be a configuration error dialog (since I'm using da= taflash > from a different firmware version). I think you can wipe the da= taflash, and it will init it. IIRC, the flag that holds the dataflash stat= e is in 2nd to last sector of dataflash (about 10 bytes at start of sector,= and nothing else in rest of sector (or not much else????). Preserve the l= ast sector, that is where your serial number is stored. IIRC, the "flash t= est" that you can run from test mode walks on all but that last sector wit= h the "test data". Everything but the serial number will be re-intiialized= after the test. If you have any apps in the loadable-app space, you can s= kip wiping them, and I think they will survive the re-init (I could be wron= g. The flash test does wipe that area of dataflash). It is very possible = that zeroing out the first 2 bytes in 2nd to last dataflash sector is all y= ou need to do to cause it to be re-init'ed (not sure tho). > from there, I= was able to implement a time16 and a > keyboard interrupt to I don't rec= all ever finding anything that used "time16". It just increments a 16 bit = counter every time that int is received, but I never found anything that us= ed that count value. "Time32" (named simply 'coz it was 32 bits, v/s 16 bi= ts) is used for a lot of stuff. It gets incremented by 16 by the same int = as keyscan. The keyscan int is roughly 60 Hz, or about a 16 millisecond pe= riod, so "time32" is roughly in milliseconds. That 60 Hz interrupt does 3 = things: 1) the keyscan. 2) increments time32 by 16. 3) increments each of = ten timers...... Wait... I'll go out and come in again... That 60 Hz inter= rupt does 12 things: 1) the keyscan. 2) increments time32 by 16. 3 thru 12= ) increments each of ten timers by 1. > happen automatically, intertwined = with port 3's interrupt mask > to know whether they should be triggered (a= nd handle when an > interrupt gets "reset" during the interrupt routine). = It's not clear to me if the P3-out is a "mask", or if it is just used to = reset the corresponding bit of the register that feeds P3-in (where P3 in b= its are set by the various int inputs). > I've gotta come up with > a way = to translate PC scancodes to the memory array I'm using to > replicate the = keyboard matrix, then I should be all set on input. You could just= disable the keyscan, and replace it with code that reads an unused port, a= nd calls the put_key_in_buffer routine with that value. The emulation for = that new port could just feed the keycodes for any keys pressed on pc kbd. = I don't remember for sure what is stored in that keybuffer, though. It mi= ght be the row/col data, along with up/down/shift info. That would make it = a bit harder, possibly even worse than actually scanning an emulated keybo= ard. Or maybe skip the keybuffer, and just feed keyevents into the event q= ueue? Pretty sure those are ascii codes. (I'm just thinkin' out loud, not = sure any of this is a good idea.) > My time16 interrupt keeps goi= ng off approximately once > a second (since I believe that was the proper r= ate), at least. > I tried > manually triggering rtc interrupts, I think= the only one that is important at this point is the 60 Hz keyscan-etc. T= he rtc might be important as far as waking up the cpu at the set mail-down= load time, and for the date and time to be set right when you power up, bu= t as far as emulating, prolly not too important. > It might be worth notin= g that if I use garbage for dataflash > with v3.03 instead of the image fi= le I have of it, then I get > identical behavior to v2.53 so far: an error = dialog after the > logo, and then proceeding to the configuration window u= pon > pressing enter. This is probably what it is supposed to do. The = user acct data is in the dataflash, so if the dataflash is trashed, after i= t is re-initialized you need to enter the user account info. > So I'm left= to assume that > even when v2.53's configuration is set (once I get more k= eyboard > support), then I'll get stuck at the startup somewhere too. When= you get the timers working right, I bet it won't get stuck! > Anyway, I g= uess that's all I got for now. I just really want > to fix that text rend= ering problem! You need to set some breakpoints, or at least "flagpoints".= I would prolly just compile some in to the code, but you could also make = commandline switches, or a config file. The idea being to whittle down you= r log to a comprehensible size. So, you set some addresses that you are in= terested to know if it is getting to. You can have it just log the addres= ses on your "watch list", in the order it gets to them. Maybe a different = switch to stop at certain addresses. Then you can box in the code where t= he text is supposed to be copied, and even dump the addresses involved (thi= rd switch). I bet it is gonna turn out to be some kind of banking error. T= here are many places where a codeflash page needs to be banked in, just to = copy a string from that page to a local ram var. (OK, at the top, where I = said "the other night", add another night to that, coz it's now "tommorow"= and I still have not hit "send") CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68178 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2009 22:25:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Dec 2009 22:25:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Dec 2009 22:25:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2009 22:25:29 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Dec 2009 22:25:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 22:25:26 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-5468940372-2055397619=:7" X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "FyberOptic" Subject: Re: Mailstation Emulation - Episode Three X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=427034928; y=dlWiQh06pBsz8YDSfK4d-BMs8ZLqDa0vXTORxuFS-0rYEzO63OaKuO8 X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 32992 Lines: 775 --0-5468940372-2055397619=:7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "cyranojones_lalp" wrote: > > Any app that uses timers also implements a response for ti= mer > events. The splash is a simple app that just displays > the splash = image, sets timer, and then when it gets the timer > event, it makes a call= that changes the current app to > either the main menu, or if there is mor= e than one user, > the select user app (or when no user accts are set up ye= t, > the create user app). I hadn't realized that the splash was an app to= o. That's good to know. > > I think you can wipe the dataflash, and it w= ill init it. IIRC, the > flag that holds the dataflash state is in 2nd to = last sector of dataflash > (about 10 bytes at start of sector, and nothing = else in > rest of sector (or not much else????). Preserve the last sector,= > that is where your serial number is stored. IIRC, the "flash > test" th= at you can run from test mode walks on all but that > last sector with the = "test data". Everything but the serial number > will be re-intiialized aft= er the test. If you have any apps in > the loadable-app space, you can ski= p wiping them, and I think > they will survive the re-init (I could be wron= g. The flash test > does wipe that area of dataflash). It is very possibl= e that > zeroing out the first 2 bytes in 2nd to last dataflash sector is >= all you need to do to cause it to be re-init'ed (not sure tho). > I suppo= se the serial number isn't really important, since you still have to have a= username/password to log into the email account, and I doubt they cared wh= at Mailstation unit you logged into the official Mailstation email server w= ith. I wonder if the serial is even sent to the server when fetching/sendi= ng mails. Something like Tivo on the other hand has the serial on an eprom= , since that's tied directly to your account. Even if you replace the hard= drive, it's still going to work with your account afterward. Though peopl= e have managed to clone those in order to transfer their account to another= one when the system board dies. > > "Time32" (named simply 'coz it was = 32 bits, v/s 16 bits) is used > for a lot of stuff. It gets incremented by= 16 by the same > int as keyscan. The keyscan int is roughly 60 Hz, or abo= ut > a 16 millisecond period, so "time32" is roughly in milliseconds. > Ho= w did you deduce that the keyboard interrupt was 60hz? I'm curious, since = I've seen you mention that before, but I have some evidence that might prov= e otherwise. Some of it I came to realize just yesterday, even. Before, w= hen I was doing all that work on the Mailstation and hooking the ISR for te= sting things, I placed a counter variable inside the keyboard loop. All it= did was count up. I called it kbdtest. In the time16 interrupt, I would = copy the value of kbdtest into kbdmax, then reset kbdtest to 0. kbdmax wou= ld be displayed on the screen in separate code outside the ISR. Since time= 16 apparently hit at exactly 1 second intervals (because I believe I timed = it by hand as such), then kbdmax would be a semi-accurate way of determinin= g the speed of the keyboard interrupt. As it turned out, kbdmax was result= ing in a constant value of 64. So the keyboard interrupt appeared to be ha= ppening 64 times a second, 64hz, etc. And now recently, when searching for= possible info on the RTC of the Mailstation (or one similar), I came upon = something rather interesting. It appears that many RTC chips have a progra= mmable square wave generator, in hz. With values like 16, 32, 64, 128, 256= , etc. This made me think that maybe the keyboard interrupt is being gener= ated by programmable RTC. More possible proof of this is when I was tinker= ing with port 0x2F a long time ago. This is what I learned back then: - S= etting bits 4,6 makes time16 interrupt 2x slower (kbdmax =3D 128) - Setting= bits 5,6 makes time16 interrupt 4x slower (kbdmax =3D 256) - Setting bits = 4,5,6 makes time16 interrupt 8x slower (kbdmax =3D 512) - When bit 6 is cle= ar, but 4, 5, or both are set, time16 interrupt doesn't seem to ever occur.= Well, back then, I naturally assumed that changing 0x2F was affecting the= time16 interval. But now, after learning of these programmable square wav= es, maybe 0x2F is changing the speed of the keyboard interrupt, not the tim= e16 one. It would make sense if so. Let me clarify: Now remember, kbdtes= t was incrementing in the keyboard interrupt, and kbdmax was saving this va= lue in the time16 interrupt. Original assumption was 0x2F was slowing time= 16, hence more opportunity for kbdtest to reach a higher value before time1= 6 hit and saved the value. Well, what if you turn that around, and assume = that it's affecting the keyboard interrupt instead of time16, making it hap= pen FASTER, thereby causing kbdtest to count faster, which is then recorded= to kbdmax at what is likely still the normal 1 second interval of time16. = If so, that would mean: - Setting bits 4,6 makes keyboard interrupt happen= 128hz - Setting bits 5,6 makes keyboard interrupt happen at 256hz - Settin= g bits 4,5,6 makes keyboard interrupt happen at 512hz These values corresp= ond to what many RTC square waves are capable of emitting (along with the 6= 4hz I've assumed Mailstation normally runs the keyboard at). I looked at s= everal RTC chips, and many had this programmability, but I couldn't ever fi= nd one with similar registers as what the Mailstation's uses. Particularly= , they store the two BCD values for secs/mins/hours/etc in a single byte at= a particular I/O port, where as the Mailstation seems to store each indivi= dual BCD digit in two separate ports, based on what's been documented so fa= r. Anyway, I guess the only way to prove any of this is true would be for = me to display the value of time16 on the screen constantly, while changing = 0x2F. If 0x2F is in fact affecting the speed of the keyboard interrupt, th= en printing time16 on the screen constantly would still show its value upda= ting in 1 second increments no matter what. If my new assumption is wrong,= meaning it's affecting time16 instead like I originally assumed, then the = counter on the screen would happen slower. I'll try this sooner or later t= o see how it goes. Either way, I just wanted to point out why I think norm= ally the keyboard interrupt happens at 64hz instead of 60, but I'm still cu= rious of your reasoning in case I'm still missing something. > > > happ= en automatically, intertwined with port 3's interrupt mask > > to know whet= her they should be triggered (and handle when an > > interrupt gets "reset"= during the interrupt routine). > > It's not clear to me if the P3-out is a= "mask", or if it is just > used to reset the corresponding bit of the regi= ster that feeds > P3-in (where P3 in bits are set by the various int inputs= ). I think I may have tested this before, but I don't remember. Either wa= y, all a person needs to do is hook the ISR, and make a value increment in,= say, the keyboard interrupt. Then change the interrupt mask to disable ke= yboard interrupts. If the value stops counting, then you know the mask is = in fact disabling that interrupt. Whenever I get around to writing the cod= e again to check the time16 rate when changing 0x2F, I'll check this too. = > > > You could just disable the keyscan, and replace it with co= de > that reads an unused port, and calls the put_key_in_buffer > routine w= ith that value. The emulation for that new port > could just feed the keyc= odes for any keys pressed on pc kbd. > I don't remember for sure what is st= ored in that keybuffer, > though. It might be the row/col data, along with= up/down/shift > info. > That would make it a bit harder, possibly even wor= se than actually > scanning an emulated keyboard. Or maybe skip the keybuf= fer, > and just feed keyevents into the event queue? Pretty sure > those a= re ascii codes. > (I'm just thinkin' out loud, not sure any of this is a go= od idea.) > It's funny you even mention that, because honestly th= at was my first thought: to just dump keys straight into the buffer. But t= his would only work for emulating the Mailstation OS, and I eventually want= all of my custom code to work with it as closely to the real hardware as p= ossible. So I did end up creating a translation table, which wasn't as bad= as I thought, actually. I used an array of 10 rows/8 columns, which store= s the PC scancode for each associated key of the Mailstation key matrix. I= have to scan through the array's rows and columns every time a key is pres= sed/released to match it with a scancode in the array (so 80 iterations, to= ps). But once it's found, I can then easily take the row/column values fro= m the loop to update the actual bitwise matrix array (which is just 10 byte= s representing the rows, since each column is an individal bit), which is w= hat I use to then actually emulate the output of port 1 (based on the input= of port 1, 2.0, and 2.1). Not every MS key is emulated yet, and some have= been put elsewhere ("Home" is the Home key, though "Back" is the End key).= I'm going to emulate "Function" as the Control key eventually too, but fo= r now control combos are how I send special commands to my emulator, so I'l= l have to change that. > > I think the only one that is important at this= point is the > 60 Hz keyscan-etc. The rtc might be important as far as > = waking up the cpu at the set mail-download time, and for the > date and tim= e to be set right when you power up, but as far as emulating, prolly not to= o important. As I mentioned earlier, I was looking into a lot of different= RTC chips, and most of them did have an alarm feature. So that might be t= ied to that interrupt strictly to wake it up to check for mail, as you ment= ioned. Makes a lot of sense. > > > So I'm left to assume that > > even w= hen v2.53's configuration is set (once I get more keyboard > > support), th= en I'll get stuck at the startup somewhere too. > > When you get the timers= working right, I bet it won't get stuck! Well that's the thing, I do have= timers working. But, now that the keyboard is emulated, at a cold boot I = can enter configuration info (even though I can't see it as I type it, unle= ss I type so much that it scrolls off to the right; but I can see password = asterisks fine). I save, and get to the user selection screen: and then= to the main menu: I can even use most of the items in the menu withou= t issue (aside from some missing text at times, and the create new mail app= crashing). This is on v2.53 firmware btw. But, when I soft-reset after c= onfiguring it, my original assumption was correct: v2.53 sticks at the spla= sh screen, just like v3.03 did with the proper dataflash configuration alre= ady there. I even tried changing the emulator to always fire keyboard/time= 16 interrupts regardless of the interrupt mask, and it makes no difference.= I discovered something shortly ago, however. I was originally assuming t= hat the Mailstation was changing the interrupt mask from 0x22 to 0x39. But= I added in a feature to the emulator to dump ram with a keypress. So, I d= ump ram while the interrupt mask is still 0x22, and then again when the mas= k changes to 0x39. Turns out, it's not changing the mask. It's changing E= VERYTHING to 0x39. Ram page 1 is totally full of it, and page 0 is almost = entirely, aside from values which I assume are getting set during the messa= ge queue loop and such when the interrupt hits. And you know what? I bet = I just figured out what it is, because there's a few 0x39s even in my first= ram dump. Right before they start, there's "Jan ". I bet it's reading th= e RTC and I'm returning invalid value(s)! YEP! I just now tried it, retur= ning 0x01 for ports 0x10 through 0x1C, and now it warm boots just fine! Ev= en the create new mail app works now (since it was prolly reading the date/= time to know what to put in the email). All unhandled IO ports are actuall= y just handled like RAM: stored in and returned with an array, which I zero= out at startup. So it was returning 0 for all RTC values originally, whic= h obviously was breaking something. I think I'm actually going to tie the = Mailstation RTC to my PC's clock so that it's always correct, once I figure= out how to represent all the values (and converted to BCD). So now, aside= from things like the modem, printer port, etc, it seems everything is work= ing enough for the Mailstation to not complain, aside from the missing text= in places. > Maybe a different switch to stop at certain addresses. The= n > you can box in the code where the text is supposed to be copied, > and = even dump the addresses involved (third switch). Yesterday, I changed the = emulator back to return low battery status, so that I could get that "The b= attery power is running low, the system will power off automatically." erro= r. I figured using this for debugging would be best because it happens dur= ing the startup, before lots of other junk clutters my debug log. Anyhow, = I created a ram dump right after the "low battery" message box appeared. T= urns out, it's really getting the text string it needs to print, because it= 's in two different memory locations, which I've traced back to the code wr= iting them there. All I can figure for the moment is that maybe some math e= rror is happening when it's calculating the width/height of the text? I'll= have to decypher that function maybe and step through all of it, I dunno. = Such a pain. I did have a thought as I was typing this, that maybe the Ma= ilstation was reading the values of the LCD and ORing the text onto what's = already there. But I'm not seeing any LCD read notices, not to mention I a= lso remember that it uses an LCD buffer in ram, which is where it likely wo= uld do such comparisons anyway. > > > Anyway, I guess that's all I got fo= r now. I just really want > > to fix that text rendering problem! > > You = need to set some breakpoints, or at least "flagpoints". > I would prolly ju= st compile some in to the code, but you > could also make commandline switc= hes, or a config file. > > The idea being to whittle down your log to a com= prehensible > size. So, you set some addresses that you are interested to = > know if it is getting to. You can have it just log the > addresses on yo= ur "watch list", in the order it gets to them. > Breakpoints are a good id= ea, and I plan to add something like that in. But having a full log of eve= rything has actually been infintely helpful in tracing down problems, parti= cularly with how buggy this Z80 emulation library was when I first got it. = =A0It was returning the opposite of certain CPU flags, doing push/pop wron= g (SP was handled incorrectly), on top of several normal opcodes having emu= lation problems, etc. It took a while to fix all of that, and being able t= o search for every instance of a particular opcode executing after I suspec= ted a problem with it was useful in order to see the results. To the libz8= 0 author's credit though, he said this was a rewrite of a previous Windows-= only version, and I guess he just never had reason to thoroughly put it thr= ough its paces like the previous one. I wouldn't still be using it if I di= dn't think it was well-written, bugs aside. He uses a regex solution to ge= nerate the opcode functions before compiling, which lets you modify multipl= e similar opcodes in one swoop. Otherwise you'd be changing hundreds by ha= nd. I'm not sure if speed will ever be an issue once I get rid of a lot of= debugging stuff, but I've been pondering ways I might write my own from sc= ratch if the need arises. I don't think it'll be that hard, actually. Just= time-consuming. --0-5468940372-2055397619=:7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


          --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "cyranojones_lalp" wrote:
          >
          > Any app that uses timers also = implements a response for timer
          > events. The splash is a simple ap= p that just displays
          > the splash image, sets timer, and then when it= gets the timer
          > event, it makes a call that changes the current ap= p to
          > either the main menu, or if there is more than one user,
          &= gt; the select user app (or when no user accts are set up yet,
          > the= create user app).

          I hadn't realized that the splash was an app too.= That's good to know.


          >
          > I think you can wipe the da= taflash, and it will init it. IIRC, the
          > flag that holds the datafl= ash state is in 2nd to last sector of dataflash
          > (about 10 bytes at= start of sector, and nothing else in
          > rest of sector (or not much e= lse????). Preserve the last sector,
          > that is where your serial numb= er is stored. IIRC, the "flash
          > test" that you can run from test mo= de walks on all but that
          > last sector with the "test data". Everyt= hing but the serial number
          > will be re-intiialized after the test. = If you have any apps in
          > the loadable-app space, you can skip wiping= them, and I think
          > they will survive the re-init (I could be wrong.= The flash test
          > does wipe that area of dataflash). It is very pos= sible that
          > zeroing out the first 2 bytes in 2nd to last dataflash s= ector is
          > all you need to do to cause it to be re-init'ed (not sure = tho).
          >

          I suppose the serial number isn't really important, s= ince you still have to have a username/password to log into the email accou= nt, and I doubt they cared what Mailstation unit you logged into the offici= al Mailstation email server with. I wonder if the serial is even sent to t= he server when fetching/sending mails.

          Something like Tivo on the ot= her hand has the serial on an eprom, since that's tied directly to your acc= ount. Even if you replace the hard drive, it's still going to work with yo= ur account afterward. Though people have managed to clone those in order t= o transfer their account to another one when the system board dies.

          =

          >
          > "Time32" (named simply 'coz it was 32 bits, v/s 16 bi= ts) is used
          > for a lot of stuff. It gets incremented by 16 by the s= ame
          > int as keyscan. The keyscan int is roughly 60 Hz, or about
          = > a 16 millisecond period, so "time32" is roughly in milliseconds.
          &g= t;

          How did you deduce that the keyboard interrupt was 60hz? I'm cu= rious, since I've seen you mention that before, but I have some evidence th= at might prove otherwise. Some of it I came to realize just yesterday, eve= n.

          Before, when I was doing all that work on the Mailstation and hoo= king the ISR for testing things, I placed a counter variable inside the key= board loop. All it did was count up. I called it kbdtest. In the time16 = interrupt, I would copy the value of kbdtest into kbdmax, then reset kbdtes= t to 0. kbdmax would be displayed on the screen in separate code outside t= he ISR. Since time16 apparently hit at exactly 1 second intervals (because= I believe I timed it by hand as such), then kbdmax would be a semi-accurat= e way of determining the speed of the keyboard interrupt.

          As it tu= rned out, kbdmax was resulting in a constant value of 64. So the keyboard = interrupt appeared to be happening 64 times a second, 64hz, etc.

          And= now recently, when searching for possible info on the RTC of the Mailstati= on (or one similar), I came upon something rather interesting. It appears = that many RTC chips have a programmable square wave generator, in hz. With= values like 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, etc. This made me think that maybe the = keyboard interrupt is being generated by programmable RTC.

          More poss= ible proof of this is when I was tinkering with port 0x2F a long time ago. = This is what I learned back then:

          - Setting bits 4,6 makes time16 = interrupt 2x slower (kbdmax =3D 128)
          - Setting bits 5,6 makes time16 in= terrupt 4x slower (kbdmax =3D 256)
          - Setting bits 4,5,6 makes time16 in= terrupt 8x slower (kbdmax =3D 512)
          - When bit 6 is clear, but 4, 5, or = both are set, time16 interrupt doesn't seem to ever occur.

          Well, bac= k then, I naturally assumed that changing 0x2F was affecting the time16 int= erval. But now, after learning of these programmable square waves, maybe 0= x2F is changing the speed of the keyboard interrupt, not the time16 one. I= t would make sense if so. Let me clarify:

          Now remember, kbdtest was= incrementing in the keyboard interrupt, and kbdmax was saving this value i= n the time16 interrupt. Original assumption was 0x2F was slowing time16, h= ence more opportunity for kbdtest to reach a higher value before time16 hit= and saved the value. Well, what if you turn that around, and assume that = it's affecting the keyboard interrupt instead of time16, making it happen F= ASTER, thereby causing kbdtest to count faster, which is then recorded to k= bdmax at what is likely still the normal 1 second interval of time16.
          If so, that would mean:
          - Setting bits 4,6 makes keyboard interrupt h= appen 128hz
          - Setting bits 5,6 makes keyboard interrupt happen at 256hz=
          - Setting bits 4,5,6 makes keyboard interrupt happen at 512hz

          = These values correspond to what many RTC square waves are capable of emitti= ng (along with the 64hz I've assumed Mailstation normally runs the keyboard= at). I looked at several RTC chips, and many had this programmability, bu= t I couldn't ever find one with similar registers as what the Mailstation's= uses. Particularly, they store the two BCD values for secs/mins/hours/etc= in a single byte at a particular I/O port, where as the Mailstation seems = to store each individual BCD digit in two separate ports, based on what's b= een documented so far.

          Anyway, I guess the only way to prove any of = this is true would be for me to display the value of time16 on the screen c= onstantly, while changing 0x2F. If 0x2F is in fact affecting the speed of = the keyboard interrupt, then printing time16 on the screen constantly would= still show its value updating in 1 second increments no matter what. If m= y new assumption is wrong, meaning it's affecting time16 instead like I ori= ginally assumed, then the counter on the screen would happen slower. I'll = try this sooner or later to see how it goes.

          Either way, I just wa= nted to point out why I think normally the keyboard interrupt happens at 64= hz instead of 60, but I'm still curious of your reasoning in case I'm still= missing something.




          >
          > > happen automatica= lly, intertwined with port 3's interrupt mask
          > > to know whether= they should be triggered (and handle when an
          > > interrupt gets "= reset" during the interrupt routine).
          >
          > It's not clear to = me if the P3-out is a "mask", or if it is just
          > used to reset the co= rresponding bit of the register that feeds
          > P3-in (where P3 in bits = are set by the various int inputs).

          I think I may have tested this b= efore, but I don't remember. Either way, all a person needs to do is hook = the ISR, and make a value increment in, say, the keyboard interrupt. Then = change the interrupt mask to disable keyboard interrupts. If the value sto= ps counting, then you know the mask is in fact disabling that interrupt. W= henever I get around to writing the code again to check the time16 rate whe= n changing 0x2F, I'll check this too.




          >
          > <= kluge>
          > You could just disable the keyscan, and replace it with c= ode
          > that reads an unused port, and calls the put_key_in_buffer
          &= gt; routine with that value. The emulation for that new port
          > could= just feed the keycodes for any keys pressed on pc kbd.
          > I don't rem= ember for sure what is stored in that keybuffer,
          > though. It might= be the row/col data, along with up/down/shift
          > info.
          > That w= ould make it a bit harder, possibly even worse than actually
          > scann= ing an emulated keyboard. Or maybe skip the keybuffer,
          > and just fe= ed keyevents into the event queue? Pretty sure
          > those are ascii cod= es.
          > (I'm just thinkin' out loud, not sure any of this is a good ide= a.)
          >

          It's funny you even mention that, because= honestly that was my first thought: to just dump keys straight into the bu= ffer. But this would only work for emulating the Mailstation OS, and I eve= ntually want all of my custom code to work with it as closely to the real h= ardware as possible. So I did end up creating a translation table, which w= asn't as bad as I thought, actually. I used an array of 10 rows/8 columns,= which stores the PC scancode for each associated key of the Mailstation ke= y matrix. I have to scan through the array's rows and columns every time a= key is pressed/released to match it with a scancode in the array (so 80 it= erations, tops). But once it's found, I can then easily take the row/colum= n values from the loop to update the actual bitwise matrix array (which is = just 10 bytes representing the rows, since each column is an individal bit)= , which is what I use to then actually emulate the output of port 1 (based = on the input of port 1, 2.0, and 2.1).

          Not every MS key is emulated = yet, and some have been put elsewhere ("Home" is the Home key, though "Back= " is the End key). I'm going to emulate "Function" as the Control key even= tually too, but for now control combos are how I send special commands to m= y emulator, so I'll have to change that.


          >
          > I think t= he only one that is important at this point is the
          > 60 Hz keyscan-e= tc. The rtc might be important as far as
          > waking up the cpu at the= set mail-download time, and for the
          > date and time to be set right= when you power up, but as far as emulating, prolly not too important.
          <= BR>As I mentioned earlier, I was looking into a lot of different RTC chips,= and most of them did have an alarm feature. So that might be tied to that= interrupt strictly to wake it up to check for mail, as you mentioned. Mak= es a lot of sense.


          >
          > > So I'm left to assume that=
          > > even when v2.53's configuration is set (once I get more keybo= ard
          > > support), then I'll get stuck at the startup somewhere too= .
          >
          > When you get the timers working right, I bet it won't ge= t stuck!

          Well that's the thing, I do have timers working.

          B= ut, now that the keyboard is emulated, at a cold boot I can enter configura= tion info (even though I can't see it as I type it, unless I type so much t= hat it scrolls off to the right; but I can see password asterisks fine). I= save, and get to the user selection screen:



          and then to the= main menu:





          I can even use most of the items in the me= nu without issue (aside from some missing text at times, and the create new= mail app crashing). This is on v2.53 firmware btw.

          But, when I s= oft-reset after configuring it, my original assumption was correct: v2.53 s= ticks at the splash screen, just like v3.03 did with the proper dataflash c= onfiguration already there. I even tried changing the emulator to always f= ire keyboard/time16 interrupts regardless of the interrupt mask, and it mak= es no difference.

          I discovered something shortly ago, however. I wa= s originally assuming that the Mailstation was changing the interrupt mask = from 0x22 to 0x39. But I added in a feature to the emulator to dump ram wi= th a keypress. So, I dump ram while the interrupt mask is still 0x22, and = then again when the mask changes to 0x39. Turns out, it's not changing the= mask. It's changing EVERYTHING to 0x39. Ram page 1 is totally full of it= , and page 0 is almost entirely, aside from values which I assume are getti= ng set during the message queue loop and such when the interrupt hits.
          <= BR>And you know what? I bet I just figured out what it is, because there's= a few 0x39s even in my first ram dump. Right before they start, there's "= Jan ". I bet it's reading the RTC and I'm returning invalid value(s)!
          <= BR>YEP! I just now tried it, returning 0x01 for ports 0x10 through 0x1C, a= nd now it warm boots just fine! Even the create new mail app works now (si= nce it was prolly reading the date/time to know what to put in the email).<= BR>
          All unhandled IO ports are actually just handled like RAM: stored in= and returned with an array, which I zero out at startup. So it was return= ing 0 for all RTC values originally, which obviously was breaking something= . I think I'm actually going to tie the Mailstation RTC to my PC's clock s= o that it's always correct, once I figure out how to represent all the valu= es (and converted to BCD).

          So now, aside from things like the modem,= printer port, etc, it seems everything is working enough for the Mailstati= on to not complain, aside from the missing text in places.


          > = Maybe a different switch to stop at certain addresses. Then
          > you c= an box in the code where the text is supposed to be copied,
          > and eve= n dump the addresses involved (third switch).

          Yesterday, I changed t= he emulator back to return low battery status, so that I could get that "Th= e battery power is running low, the system will power off automatically." e= rror. I figured using this for debugging would be best because it happens = during the startup, before lots of other junk clutters my debug log. Anyho= w, I created a ram dump right after the "low battery" message box appeared.= Turns out, it's really getting the text string it needs to print, because= it's in two different memory locations, which I've traced back to the code= writing them there. All I can figure for the moment is that maybe some ma= th error is happening when it's calculating the width/height of the text? = I'll have to decypher that function maybe and step through all of it, I dun= no. Such a pain.

          I did have a thought as I was typing this, that ma= ybe the Mailstation was reading the values of the LCD and ORing the text on= to what's already there. But I'm not seeing any LCD read notices, not to m= ention I also remember that it uses an LCD buffer in ram, which is where it= likely would do such comparisons anyway.


          >
          > > Any= way, I guess that's all I got for now. I just really want
          > > to= fix that text rendering problem!
          >
          > You need to set some bre= akpoints, or at least "flagpoints".
          > I would prolly just compile som= e in to the code, but you
          > could also make commandline switches, or= a config file.
          >
          > The idea being to whittle down your log to= a comprehensible
          > size. So, you set some addresses that you are in= terested to
          > know if it is getting to. You can have it just log the=
          > addresses on your "watch list", in the order it gets to them.
          = >

          Breakpoints are a good idea, and I plan to add something like = that in. But having a full log of everything has actually been infintely h= elpful in tracing down problems, particularly with how buggy this Z80 emula= tion library was when I first got it. =A0It was returning the opposite of = certain CPU flags, doing push/pop wrong (SP was handled incorrectly), on to= p of several normal opcodes having emulation problems, etc. It took a whil= e to fix all of that, and being able to search for every instance of a part= icular opcode executing after I suspected a problem with it was useful in o= rder to see the results.

          To the libz80 author's credit though, he sa= id this was a rewrite of a previous Windows-only version, and I guess he ju= st never had reason to thoroughly put it through its paces like the previou= s one. I wouldn't still be using it if I didn't think it was well-written,= bugs aside. He uses a regex solution to generate the opcode functions bef= ore compiling, which lets you modify multiple similar opcodes in one swoop.= Otherwise you'd be changing hundreds by hand.

          I'm not sure if spee= d will ever be an issue once I get rid of a lot of debugging stuff, but I'v= e been pondering ways I might write my own from scratch if the need arises.= I don't think it'll be that hard, actually. Just time-consuming.

          =

          --0-5468940372-2055397619=:7-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15318 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2010 09:19:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2010 09:19:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2010 09:19:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2010 09:18:23 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2010 09:18:23 -0000 Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 09:18:22 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="6-1274791956-4400183213=:9" X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "FyberOptic" Subject: Re: Mailstation Emulation - Episode Four X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=427034928; y=-XugF4qzwjPhfs-GuAfKot6KoC2Siy07bvkxBeydGAHNLhkU6ySu0Is X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 7197 Lines: 177 --6-1274791956-4400183213=:9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Shew it's late, but I wanted to post a progress report at least. = =A0 As you can see, the text is fine now! =A0And ironically, I still ha= ve no idea what the problem was. =A0What I did was actually swap out the Z8= 0 emulation with another library. =A0Took some reintegrating to make it wor= k with how this other one was designed to operate, but not too much work. = =A0And as soon as I got it to start properly, I immediately realized it was= way faster (probably since I compiled it with its assembly optimizations e= nabled). =A0And when I got interrupts working, and I got to the first warni= ng dialog about creating a new account, I realized it was fix. =A0It was sh= owing text. =A0And then the configuration window was too. =A0Great! =A0 So= that means there's still opcode(s) which are being handled wrong in libz80= , despite all the work I did on it to fix it. And not only was it not showi= ng text, btw, but in the Extras menu, the arrow keys were behaving all wron= g as well. =A0I don't think I ever mentioned that. =A0 But oh well. =A0I wa= s so tired of staring at page after page of disassembled code and debug out= put trying to find the error that I decided trying another library was the = best way to test where the problem really was. On an even brighter side, t= his new library, z80em, emulates CPU timing. =A0In fact, it does this so we= ll, combined with a software interrupt related to this feature which is tri= ggered after so many CPU cycles (which you can specify), that I was able to= turn this into my main Mailstation interrupt generator. =A0And with a bit = more timing code in place, I now have it emulating a 12mhz Z80, with 1 seco= nd time16 interrupts, and 64hz keyboard interrupts. =A0The cursor even blin= ks on the screen at the same rate as on the real hardware. =A0Awesome! Aft= er that, I tied the RTC into my PC's clock, so every time you start the emu= lator you get the right time. =A0This means you can't actually set the RTC = time via the Mailstation at the moment, though. Trying to do something wit= h the modem just freezes it up, as expected. =A0I want to figure out how be= tter to emulate that, which I'm sure is in the datasheet if I still have it= . =A0Wouldn't it be neat to emulate a PPP connection with that? =A0But asid= e from the modem, I haven't had any problems at all. =A0I've messed with al= l the apps, saved messages to my outbox, etc etc. =A0All good. Anyway, I'v= e done a ton of work today cleaning up the code. =A0I've also added in the = ability to scale the screen 2x, and to even go full-screen. =A0Seeing the M= ailstation OS fill my monitor is both odd and neat! But yeah, I hope to up= load a version good enough for you guys to try out tomorrow sometime. =A0Th= ere's just still some things I want to add before I do (like figure out why= I have to push the power button twice to turn it off). =A0For now it'll pr= olly stay locked at 12mhz, and the interrupt speeds won't be changeable or = anything, since there's some experimenting I want to do on the real hardwar= e first to see if I can better understand things. =A0And considering how we= ll the emulation is going right now, I can prolly test out some code on my = PC now before sending my test apps to the Mailstation. =A0Which is what I w= rote this for to begin with! --6-1274791956-4400183213=:9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

          Shew it's late, but I wanted to post a progress report at least.
          <= /P>


          =A0


          As you can see, the text is= fine now! =A0And ironically, I still have no idea what the problem was. = =A0What I did was actually swap out the Z80 emulation with another library.= =A0Took some reintegrating to make it work with how this other one was des= igned to operate, but not too much work. =A0And as soon as I got it to star= t properly, I immediately realized it was way faster (probably since I comp= iled it with its assembly optimizations enabled). =A0And when I got interru= pts working, and I got to the first warning dialog about creating a new acc= ount, I realized it was fix. =A0It was showing text. =A0And then the config= uration window was too. =A0Great! =A0

          So that means there's still opc= ode(s) which are being handled wrong in libz80, despite all the work I did = on it to fix it. And not only was it not showing text, btw, but in the Extr= as menu, the arrow keys were behaving all wrong as well. =A0I don't think I= ever mentioned that. =A0 But oh well. =A0I was so tired of staring at page= after page of disassembled code and debug output trying to find the error = that I decided trying another library was the best way to test where the pr= oblem really was.

          On an even brighter side, this new library, z80em, = emulates CPU timing. =A0In fact, it does this so well, combined with a soft= ware interrupt related to this feature which is triggered after so many CPU= cycles (which you can specify), that I was able to turn this into my main = Mailstation interrupt generator. =A0And with a bit more timing code in plac= e, I now have it emulating a 12mhz Z80, with 1 second time16 interrupts, an= d 64hz keyboard interrupts. =A0The cursor even blinks on the screen at the = same rate as on the real hardware. =A0Awesome!

          After that, I tied the= RTC into my PC's clock, so every time you start the emulator you get the r= ight time. =A0This means you can't actually set the RTC time via the Mailst= ation at the moment, though.

          Trying to do something with the modem ju= st freezes it up, as expected. =A0I want to figure out how better to emulat= e that, which I'm sure is in the datasheet if I still have it. =A0Wouldn't = it be neat to emulate a PPP connection with that? =A0But aside from the mod= em, I haven't had any problems at all. =A0I've messed with all the apps, sa= ved messages to my outbox, etc etc. =A0All good.

          Anyway, I've done a = ton of work today cleaning up the code. =A0I've also added in the ability t= o scale the screen 2x, and to even go full-screen. =A0Seeing the Mailstatio= n OS fill my monitor is both odd and neat!

          But yeah, I hope to upload= a version good enough for you guys to try out tomorrow sometime. =A0There'= s just still some things I want to add before I do (like figure out why I h= ave to push the power button twice to turn it off). =A0For now it'll prolly= stay locked at 12mhz, and the interrupt speeds won't be changeable or anyt= hing, since there's some experimenting I want to do on the real hardware fi= rst to see if I can better understand things. =A0And considering how well t= he emulation is going right now, I can prolly test out some code on my PC n= ow before sending my test apps to the Mailstation. =A0Which is what I wrote= this for to begin with!


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X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39248 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2010 07:57:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2010 07:57:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2010 07:57:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2010 07:52:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2010 07:52:28 -0000 Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 07:52:27 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "FyberOptic" Subject: Mailstation Emulation v0.1 Release X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=427034928; y=8clOfEbbyGDjVi5kgJqaiBQjQ2ITshnXy_wsiczIa86NHTW0sMV6ag4 X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 1778 Lines: 48 I think I've finally prettied up a version of the emulator well enough to= release. But until I get a better page for it, here's the directory index= : http://www.fybertech.net/mailstation/emulator/ The quick start instruc= tions are: download msemu_v01.zip and codeflash.bin, extract the ZIP, and d= rop the .BIN into the folder with it. Then run msemu.exe. Make sure to = look at the readme.txt for info on the keys! You can switch between 2X siz= e and even go fullscreen. In that directory index above, codeflash.bin is = the same as ms253.bin, which is v2.53 of the Mailstation firmware. ms303a.= bin is v3.03a, which is slightly different. I didn't include any of these = in the ZIP because it's probably against copyrights for me to even have the= m on the website. The emulator looks for a "codeflash.bin" by default to w= ork, so you can either rename other firmwares to this, or you can specify a= n alternate filename on the command line (or just drag the .BIN onto the EX= E to launch with it). This lets you try out different versions, or even yo= ur own replacement. I've included a "dataflash.bin" with some generic sett= ings, just so that you can go straight to the main menu when you start it. = If you like, you can delete that file, and it'll generate a fresh one the = next time you start it. Note that the intro screen's text colors should be= yellow, and the default LCD color should be green (check the readme on how= to change). If they're not for you, let me know! I'd appreciate feedback= , particularly on any problems you might find. There's obviously a lot sti= ll not emulated, but apparently there's plenty to make the OS itself run. = Just keep in mind that it'll probably freeze up if you try to use the modem= ! From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 84740 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2010 15:42:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2010 15:42:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2010 15:42:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2010 15:42:39 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2010 15:42:39 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:42:38 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "cyranojones_lalp" Subject: Re: Mailstation Emulation v0.1 Release X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=iAGODABar_Su8rFvpWhu02uGPmptP63J7IAFHwhD9JaGPAyE_53ZbzAnlA X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 4163 Lines: 170 > Then run msemu.exe. Hmmmmm... What the heck am I gonna do = with an exe... The most recent windows I have is 98, and I have not booted= that box up in like a year. I promised myself the next time I boot it, I= will back it up. Sooooooooo, I have just been avoiding booting it. And I= don't even know if your prog will run on it. Then I thought about this th= in client I have here, with win XPe on it, running my magicjack. But it do= es not have enough space. I guess I could copy the files to a thumb drive= ..... Then I wondered if it would run with wine, under Ubuntu. It does! = Pretty neat!!! > You can switch between 2X size and even go fullscreen. = Seems they are reversed with respect to keys in readme. > The emulator loo= ks for a "codeflash.bin" I made a copy of (what I believe is) the 253yr f= rom yahoo group, renamed it codeflash.bin. Seems to work fine, but I get a= different checksum in emulator than on an actual 253yr unit I have here. = Funny thing is, I am pretty sure I verified Don's dump with an actual 253yr= several years ago, and it matched. But it prolly was not this exact same = unit. Maybe I changed something in the image I am working with, and forgot= ?????? I get 91ff on my actual unit, and 9254 with my image file. What che= cksum do you get emulating your 253yr image? > Note that the intro screen= 's text colors should be yellow, > and the default LCD color should be gre= en (check the readme > on how to change). If they're not for you, let me = know! Colors are ok, and can change with the ctrl keys. Took me a bit of = head scratching to figure out I needed the right-side ctrl key. You need t= o make black chars on light-green-tinted background one of the options! ;= -) > I'd appreciate feedback, particularly on any problems you > might fi= nd. There's obviously a lot still not emulated, > but apparently there's = plenty to make the OS itself run. Calculator works. Typed a new message= , saved it in outbox, and opened it up again. Even goes into test mode, an= d passes several tests. The modem test failed, but did not lock it up. (D= id not try to send email, though.) Noticed that it remembered it was in te= st mode (not sure if I quit emu, or just "power cycled it). Could not fini= sh keyboard test, is there an "@ key", size, or spell check. Or "get mail"= button? I would prefer that "back" was mapped to "esc", I closed emulato= r by accident more times than I can count. Esc just seems more intuitive f= or back. Maybe just make "power" quit emu??? Or only quit when in "off" m= ode??? As for why it needs 2 presses, maybe it has something to do the fac= t that the "power" does not really go away after the first press? There is= a flip-flop chip on the ms board that actually kills power. It would be= a lot more fun if I could tweak emu code. For instance, I notice that when= ever I press a key in calculator app, emu prints message on text console "= dataflash write". It would be fun if it said what address was written. = I also think it would be fun to compile a Linux version. I don't know if = it is emulator, or wine, but the combo is sucking up over 50% of dual 2.5 G= Hz AMD cpu. OK, top sez emu itself is taking over 40% of one cpu, and Xor= g is taking over 35%, and wine about 20%. Also, I don't know just which pr= ogram crashed, but it seems like it was when I was trying to switch out of = "full screen" mode. Took out the X server, and any program that was runnin= g under X. Linux text consoles were still there, along with a great deal o= f programs just listed with "2009" as the start time in process list. Fir= st time this box ever crashed in the ~1 year since I put it together. I re= booted the whole thing, but maybe I could have restarted X. Seemed like a= good time for a reboot, though! (I don't think I have rebooted more that = 5 times since built, and it is up 24-7). Took over half hour to check the = disk, I don't really want to do a lot of testing as to just what makes it c= rash. I think I will avoid the full screen mode, and see if that helps. C= J From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56608 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2010 23:57:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2010 23:57:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2010 23:57:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2010 23:57:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2010 23:57:54 -0000 Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:57:53 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "FyberOptic" Subject: Re: Mailstation Emulation v0.1 Release X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=427034928; y=rZgdp6AyiENascH-rXEBgHssrji-F9KPw1i1S9cHoJgub8x0ucoMnSQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 8223 Lines: 237 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "cyranojones_lalp" wrote: > > Then I wondered if it would run with wine, under Ubunt= u. > > It does! Pretty neat!!! Yeah I had it working fine in Wine on Deb= ian when I tried it, and figured any Linux folks could just do that to try = it out. > > > You can switch between 2X size and even go fullscreen. > = > Seems they are reversed with respect to keys in readme. As soon as you = said that, I remembered that I forgot to update the readme when I decided t= o swap those keys around. > > Seems to work fine, but I get a different = checksum in emulator > than on an actual 253yr unit I have here. Funny thi= ng is, I am > pretty sure I verified Don's dump with an actual 253yr severa= l > years ago, and it matched. But it prolly was not this exact > same uni= t. Maybe I changed something in the image I am > working with, and forgot?= ????? > > I get 91ff on my actual unit, and 9254 with my image file. > Wha= t checksum do you get emulating your 253yr image? I only have one Mailstat= ion, the demo unit which runs v3.03a (mail servers can even be set in the c= onfiguration). For that version, the hardware gives me a checksum of 0x53d= 4, but the emulator is showing 0x53e5 when I run the same firmware. I al= so noticed that my hardware seems to freeze up after getting to that point,= where as the emulator continues on to a battery test. No idea what's goin= g on with either of these things yet. I even tried removing my bounds-limi= ting for the codeflash (it forces an address wrap at 1MB like I'm assuming = the real hardware does on pages 64 and up), just in case, and it gave the s= ame results. I'd have to dig through the ROM Test code to see if the codef= lash is the only thing it's testing, or if there's something else being add= ed into the result somehow. > > Could not finish keyboard test, is there= an "@ key", size, or > spell check. Or "get mail" button? None of those = buttons are assigned yet, since I wasn't sure what to assign them to. I di= dn't need'em for the testing I was doing at the time, either. But you shou= ld be able to assign these to other things now, which I'll get into in a bi= t. I'll probably want to assign "Get Mail" soon though, since I've been wo= rking on trying to emulate the modem chip, and at the moment I have to keep= going into the outbox to trigger the modem. > > I would prefer that "ba= ck" was mapped to "esc", I closed > emulator by accident more times than I= can count. Esc just > seems more intuitive for back. Maybe just make "po= wer" quit > emu??? Or only quit when in "off" mode??? I did consider chan= ging it to escape a few times, but as I was testing, I found hitting escape= right quick to get back out of it was easier for the time being. I'll cha= nge exit to right-control + Q or X or something eventually I guess. The re= ason "power" doesn't exit is because I want to be able to simulate powering= on and off. > > As for why it needs 2 presses, maybe it has something t= o do > the fact that the "power" does not really go away after the > first = press? There is a flip-flop chip on the ms board that > actually kills pow= er. Na, it's taking the two presses to finally acknowledge it, which the= n runs the shutdown function in the firmware, which toggles the bit in port= 0x28 for that flip-flop. I'm actually emulating this bit, and "powering o= ff" when it's changed. It seems that the Mailstation waits for the state o= f the power button to change somehow before acknowledging it again as being= pressed. Sometimes, for example, if you hold F12 while the system is boot= ing, then let it go once you're at the menu, then you only have to press it= once to power off. I tried various ways to replicate this behavior automa= tically, but I didn't have much luck yet. I'm thinking it might have somet= hing to do with the signal bouncing of the real hardware, since the power b= utton isn't handled for bouncing like the rest of the keyboard keys are in = the keyboard routine. Hitting the button twice is a minor inconvenience = though so I've worked on other stuff for the time being instead. Somethin= g interesting of note is that when you power off and power back on, normall= y the hardware would retain the RAM contents to my knowledge. Well when I = was retaining their contents, the MS would check some ports during startup,= before anything was even on the screen (or even before the screen was on?)= , and then shut itself back down again. Every time you'd try to power it b= ack on this would happen. The only solution for the time being is clearing= the ram contents at any power-off until I figure out what the Mailstation = is doing. > > It would be a lot more fun if I could tweak emu code. > Fo= r instance, I notice that whenever I press a key in > calculator app, emu p= rints message on text console > "dataflash write". It would be fun if it = said what > address was written. The text you see in the console is jus= t very basic output. The "dataflash write" message was actually indicating= that the emulator was writing the dataflash contents out to the file, not = that the Mailstation was currently modifying the contents at that exact mom= ent (though pretty close to it). It doesn't write out the file for every i= ndividual modification, for performance reasons. However, there are debug = messages for that, which will not only tell you the current PC when the wri= te is occuring, but also the dataflash address and value being written. Sa= me for sector erases. The debug messages won't work in the version you're = using since I removed the ability when cleaning up code before. But in v0.= 1a, you can put /console and/or /debug on the command line. The former spi= ts all IO and other activity to the console, the latter spits it out to a "= debug.out" file. Ever since I changed CPU emulation libraries, the debug o= utput has dramatically reduced, since I'm no longer dumping constant disass= embly as well. But the tons of IO port requests are still a mess! Eventua= lly I'll let one limit which ports they're interested in. > > I also thi= nk it would be fun to compile a Linux version. As it just so happens, v0.1= a not only includes the source, but will compile under Linux. As for chang= ing the Mailstation keys as I mentioned earlier, there's an array which hol= ds all the mappings, but you'll probably need that "mailstation_keyboard.ht= ml" file I got somewhere before to know which key is what. I'm betting you= have it though! > > Also, I don't know just which program crashed, but = it > seems like it was when I was trying to switch out of > "full screen" m= ode. Took out the X server, and any > program that was running under X. L= inux text consoles > were still there, along with a great deal of programs = > just listed with "2009" as the start time in process list. > I didn't = have any crashes under Debian when using it with Wine. Full-screen mode se= mi-worked, but didn't actually go full screen. It just kind of replaced mo= st of the desktop (but stayed crammed underneath the menu bar). That's abo= ut what I expected, even though that sucks. Ironically, it wasn't until I = compiled a native Linux binary that I had the full-screen mode crash the ap= plication when switching back and forth several times. Even full-screen un= der a native binary still didn't work right, though. But to be blunt, this= is Linux after all, and it's notorious for being problematic at running th= ings full-screen. I've had a lot of trouble with other applications runnin= g that way in the past. So your advice of "only in a window" seems the bes= t route, since there's really nothing I can do about it. Going full-screen= is all handled through SDL calls. That said, console output is faster und= er Linux than in Windows! I found that a little surprising. Anyway, you= can grab the newer version here: http://www.fybertech.net/mailstation/emu= lator/msemu_v01a.zip If you have any trouble building it, you can check th= e build.txt, or give me a holler and I'll try to help. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4551 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2010 14:40:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2010 14:40:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2010 14:40:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2010 14:39:11 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2010 14:39:11 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 14:39:11 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "cyranojones_lalp" Subject: Re: Mailstation Emulation v0.1 Release X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=BO6TVyUWZJQRNH_d-9vak3VIytwXfDncj8o4vNv_PtQ-19Ot3g5BKFt7UA X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 933 Lines: 38 --- FyberOptic wrote: > > It seems that the Mailstation waits for the state= of the power > button to change somehow before acknowledging it again as = being > pressed. > Sometimes, for example, if you hold F12 while the syste= m is > booting, then let it go once you're at the menu, then you only > h= ave to press it once to power off. I tried various ways to > replicate thi= s behavior automatically, but I didn't have much > luck yet. I'm thinking= it might have something to do with > the signal bouncing of the real hard= ware, since the power > button isn't handled for bouncing like the rest of= the > keyboard keys are in the keyboard routine. > > Hitting the butto= n twice is a minor inconvenience though so > I've worked on other stuff fo= r the time being instead. Try inverting the sense of power-button input bi= t. Instead of: case 0x09: return (byte)0xE0 | ((power_button & 1) << );= From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 97976 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2010 14:48:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2010 14:48:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2010 14:48:20 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2010 14:47:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2010 14:47:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 14:47:37 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "cyranojones_lalp" Subject: Re: Mailstation Emulation v0.1 Release X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=ii3qlbK3yjiLT7a5Z9hdo3GjSIoxFTQa1BKIiC32qOgyD8cA8KGRLHgU6w X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1338 Lines: 58 > --- FyberOptic wrote: > > > > It seems that the Mailstation waits for t= he state of the power > > button to change somehow before acknowledging it= again as being > > pressed. > > Sometimes, for example, if you hold F12 w= hile the system is > > booting, then let it go once you're at the menu, th= en you only > > have to press it once to power off. I tried various ways = to > > replicate this behavior automatically, but I didn't have much > > l= uck yet. I'm thinking it might have something to do with > > the signal b= ouncing of the real hardware, since the power > > button isn't handled for= bouncing like the rest of the > > keyboard keys are in the keyboard routi= ne. > > > > Hitting the button twice is a minor inconvenience though so = > > I've worked on other stuff for the time being instead. > > Try invert= ing the sense of power-button input bit. > > Instead of: > case 0x09: > = return (byte)0xE0 | ((power_button & 1) << ); try: case 0x09: return (= byte)0xE0 | ((~power_button & 1) << ); (I was trying to enter a tab in pr= evious post, and all of a sudden it said "message sent" or something to tha= t effect. I think the tab moved the focus from the message box over to the = "send" button.) I have not tried to compile it myself just yet, been looki= ng over docs for sdl. CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 67974 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2010 15:03:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2010 15:03:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.102) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2010 15:03:28 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.239] by n6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2010 15:03:17 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by t4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2010 15:03:17 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2010 15:03:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:03:17 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "cyranojones_lalp" Subject: Re: Mailstation Emulation v0.1 Release X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=uZE-Zzh7SNm8SZ_1-E-NOUzaRTwK5MHhfmYvvF_EsyiwKn7RddkF_V0kWw X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 525 Lines: 29 > > Instead of: > > case 0x09: > > return (byte)0xE0 | ((power_button & 1= ) << ); > > try: > case 0x09: > return (byte)0xE0 | ((~power_button & = 1) << ); I'm sure fyberoptic knows what I meant, but if (by any stretch) = there is anyone else reading this, the "4" got clipped. It wrapped to next = line, and when I edited to fit on one line, I musta deleted it. So, this= is what I should have typed: case 0x09: return (byte)0xE0 | ((~power_bu= tton & 1) << 4); I think it is too early for my brain. CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16093 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2010 15:28:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2010 15:28:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2010 15:28:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2010 15:28:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2010 15:28:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:28:47 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "FyberOptic" Subject: Re: Mailstation Emulation v0.1 Release X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=427034928; y=6rjWBaaULo4YXFwHobQnXdy_V2LDLuici5qhLoyNS074yFANM7kF3z4 X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 1052 Lines: 35 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "cyranojones_lalp" wrote: > > Try inverting the sense of power-button input bit. > > In= stead of: > case 0x09: > return (byte)0xE0 | ((power_button & 1) << ); >= Doh, I inverted the main keyboard keys, but never thought to do it for th= e power button. Goes off with one tap now! Nice find! >I have not trie= d to compile it myself just yet, been looking over docs for sdl. If you're= using any Debian-based distro (you said you're in Ubuntu, so you are), the= n you should be able to grab the development packages of SDL and SDL_gfx th= rough APT. I'm not for sure what repository it came from (hopefully one wh= ich is enabled by default), but just search for the package "libsdl-gfx1.2-= dev". When you install it, it should automatically pull "libsdl1.2-dev" to= o. It did for me under Debian. Saved me the trouble of fetching/compiling= them manually. Only thing you'll still have to compile separately is Z80e= m, which is a simple "make" job, pretty much. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11414 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2010 23:46:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jan 2010 23:46:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2010 23:46:40 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.48] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2010 23:44:58 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by t1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2010 23:44:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2010 23:44:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:44:56 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "cyranojones_lalp" Subject: Re: Mailstation Emulation v0.1 Release X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=2u6vRMoXdGFyTFD076bHDoDy6j2Dub4SRPCMgV0FX2CtWT3aJWpyXrNXOw X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 5044 Lines: 191 --- FyberOptic wrote: > > Doh, I inverted the main keyboard keys, but nev= er thought > to do it for the power button. Goes off with one tap now! = > Nice find! OK, I got all the pieces installed the other day, and got it = compiling and running here, too! :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) I= had to change one line in Makefile to get it to fly with 64 bit cpu: I ch= anged "objcopy -I binary -O elf32-i386 --binary-architecture i386 rawcga.b= in rawcga.o" to "objcopy -I binary -O elf64-x86-64 --binary-architecture i= 386 rawcga.bin rawcga.o" because the linker refused to link the 32 bit fon= t file with the 64 bit emulator object file. It was pretty easy to figure = out the "-O elf64-x86-64", but it took a lot of reading to find out that yo= u needed to use "--binary-architecture i386" for either 32 or 64 bit. Go = figger. > If you're using any Debian-based distro (you said you're in Ubu= ntu, so you are), > then you should be able to grab the development packag= es of SDL and SDL_gfx through > APT. I'm not for sure what repository it = came from (hopefully one which is > enabled by default), but just search f= or the package "libsdl-gfx1.2-dev". > When you install it, it should auto= matically pull "libsdl1.2-dev" too. > It did for me under Debian. Saved = me the trouble of fetching/compiling > them manually. Only thing you'll s= till have to compile separately is Z80em, > which is a simple "make" job, = pretty much. Well, that was really good to know! I didn't even think to c= heck if it was in repo. Turns out libsdl1.2 was already installed, possibl= y 'coz xmame required it. I just checked off the boxes (in synaptic) for t= he dev files, and the libsdl-gfx1.2-dev, and "applied" it. I made the cha= nge to cflags you suggested for z80em, and did "make all". I got a boatloa= d of "type mismatch" warnings, but it still works. I mentioned that the wi= ndows version was sucking up close to 100% of cpu, spread across 3 processe= s (msemu, wine, and I think xorg). This native Linux build is still suckin= g up 100%, but just in the one msemu process! I don't think it would stop = anything else from running, it's prolly just using it 'coz it is available.= But it sure is making the cpu hotter than normal!!! It usually reads b= elow 90 degrees F, but with cpu at 100% it was running over 110 F!!!!! I e= ven think I could smell the difference, but that may just have been my imag= ination. :-) So, I looked at source, to see if I could see anything to op= timize. The first thing I tried was moving the call to system time, so it o= nly happens when one of the time ports is read. Didn't make a noticable di= fference, though. Next, I looked at the main loop. Seems that's the sourc= e of the infinite appetite for cpu cycles. The cpu just keeps running that= loop, as fast as it's little pins can carry it. :-) :-) I made an asump= tion that the main loop was cyling much faster than necessary, so I added a= "sleep(1)" to the loop. Well, turns out sleep's units are "seconds", so = I guess you know that did not come out too good. So I tried sleeps little = brother, "usleep", which sleeps microseconds. Works like a charm!!! I tri= ed usleep(1) through usleep(1000), with only barely perceptible lag noticab= le with 1000 usec. I don't know if perhaps it is getting woke up before th= e 1000 usec, by some other event/interrupt. But I am currently settled in = on 100 usec, because there is a "diminishing return" effect on the cpu load= reduction. With usleep(100), it idles at about 4 or 5 percent, and spik= es higher when mailstation code is actually doing something. If I lean on= the right-arrow key while in main menu, the ms icon highlighting cycles re= peatedly across the screen, and cpu usage goes to about 10 to 15 percent. = If I am understanding how the code works, it seems that the z80 emulation i= s being called every 16 milliseconds. Is that right? (deleted rambling) At= this point, I did a "sleep(30000)" on the wetware processor. Oh, I think = I get it, z80_Execute() runs Z80_IPeriod =3D 187500 T states each call. Th= at makes more sense now... I was wondering why it still worked with such la= rge sleep times! (Amazing how a little sleep can make things clearer!) = On another front, I did quite a bit of fiddling with the screen color. Fir= st, I "inverted" the colors, making the background the bright pixels, and t= ext the darker. Then I made the green (now a green background) a very ligh= t green tint, a quite passable imitation of the actual LCD. That took a few= minutes. Then I spent a few more hours tweaking the colors! :-) I made = all 5 of your color modes into various off-white tinted backgrounds with b= lack foreground, and added a sixth choice, with bluish foreground, and sam= e green tinted background (ala earthlink version of 120 & 150). It's reall= y kind of interesting how fast your eyes normalize any of the tints to seem= "plain white". CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31879 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2010 23:39:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2010 23:39:23 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2010 23:39:23 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2010 23:38:42 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2010 23:38:42 -0000 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:38:41 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "FyberOptic" Subject: Re: Mailstation Emulation v0.1 Release X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=427034928; y=SUoTDFWxy5JpjSKlJxdxU85sltkbY5Bgpf48_aGJRyB4ZnBIrYHQk8E X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 4195 Lines: 135 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "cyranojones_lalp" wrote: > > I had to change one line in Makefile to get it to fly with = 64 bit cpu: > > I changed > "objcopy -I binary -O elf32-i386 --binary-arc= hitecture i386 rawcga.bin rawcga.o" > > to > "objcopy -I binary -O elf64-x= 86-64 --binary-architecture i386 rawcga.bin rawcga.o" > Ah okay, never ev= en thought of that being a possible problem. I don't have a 64-bit CPU, my= self. I figure the simplest solution for future versions, now that I know = that I converted the font data properly, is to just encode it into a C head= er file and let it compile with the source. The reason I included my own f= ont to begin with is so that it would look the same regardless of platform.= And for the record, this is the same font style that I use in my FyOS sof= tware on the Mailstation. It's the classic 8x8 font that CGA video cards u= sed to use. I'm partial to it both for nostalgia's sake as well as the fac= t that it's very divisible into most screen sizes. The Mailstation gets a = 40x16 text display out of it, similar to many old computers. > > I made= the change to cflags you suggested for z80em, and did "make all". I > got= a boatload of "type mismatch" warnings, but it still works. Yeah I got th= ose too, but it's no problem. The source was likely written under an earli= er version of GCC. > > I mentioned that the windows version was sucking= up close to 100% of cpu, > spread across 3 processes (msemu, wine, and I t= hink xorg). This native > Linux build is still sucking up 100%, but just i= n the one msemu process! > *snip* > > With usleep(100), it idles at about= 4 or 5 percent, and spikes > higher when mailstation code is actually doi= ng something. If > I lean on the right-arrow key while in main menu, the m= s icon > highlighting cycles repeatedly across the screen, and cpu > usage = goes to about 10 to 15 percent. I never noticed it hindering my machine as= I worked so I never even thought to check. Yet I've had to use usleep in = daemons before so you'd think I would remember how important some CPU idle = time in there can be! The easiest cross-platform fix is: #ifdef WIN32 S= leep(1); #else usleep(1000); #endif Windows doesn't have less than 1 mil= lisecond sleep unless you get into high-definition timers, and that's a bit= overkill. From my momentary tinkering I didn't notice any real difference= in performance by having a whole millisecond delay. > > Oh, I think I g= et it, z80_Execute() runs Z80_IPeriod =3D 187500 > T states each call. Tha= t makes more sense now... I was > wondering why it still worked with such l= arge sleep times! > (Amazing how a little sleep can make things clearer!) = I just did some quick math for the number. The Mailstation OS always ru= ns at 12mhz, so 12000000 / 64 =3D 187500. 64 being the frequency of the ke= yboard interrupt I determined before. When all the specified CPU cycles ar= e used, the Z80_Interrupt() function is called. This function automaticall= y fires the Mailstation keyboard interrupt (if it's enabled) 64 times a sec= ond. Also, after 64 counts of this function executing, the Mailstation tim= e16 interrupt gets fired. Whenever I get around to implementing support fo= r various CPU and (presumably) RTC timer speeds, these values will be dynam= ic rather than hard-coded like they are now. I'd rather know more about th= e I/O port functionality for setting these speeds beforehand, but I haven't= gotten around to tinkering on the hardware again yet either. > > I mad= e all 5 of your color modes into various off-white tinted > backgrounds wi= th black foreground, > and added a sixth choice, with bluish > foreground,= and same green tinted background (ala earthlink > version of 120 & 150). >= I'd be curious to see your color schemes, if you want to take screencaps= or whatever. I've never even seen the screen to any other model than the = one I have. One of the next features I want to implement is a configurati= on file, where people can just setup the keyboard/colors/etc from there ins= tead of needing to recompile it. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8153 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2010 09:30:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Jan 2010 09:30:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2010 09:30:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2010 09:30:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jan 2010 09:30:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:30:18 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="9-2630180421-1835808601=:5" X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "cyranojones_lalp" Subject: Re: Mailstation Emulation v0.1 Release X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=nF3W4eNKacBfhR-FRieKMG3CIQIT5JMqXmBAyMghCWXVbR3lXlwZwaPlsQ X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 16998 Lines: 449 --9-2630180421-1835808601=:5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (Reply is below the screenshots) The pix are 1024 x 768, click for full si= ze, or "view image" if clicking doesn't work. This is the green tinted ba= ckground. The ide shows some of the code mods. (By the way, the ide is "Gea= ny" and it is in Ubuntu repo.) This is white background, with black text.= I don't really like the greenish-tint, even though the mailstation actuall= y is greenish. I re-arranged the sdl-event handling with nested switches.= = All 6 colors running at same time! The backgrounds are much brighter tha= n the actual mailstation LCD, but I don't think I would want to make them m= uch darker. I don't really care for the red or green tints, but yellow and= bluish are ok. The "new" 120/150 LCD is the greenish one below the white.= = One other code change not shown above, to writeLCD function: lcd_data8= [n + (x * 8) + (lcdaddr * 320)] =3D ((val >> n) & 1 ? LCD_fg_color : LCD_bg= _color); When I was figuring out how it worked, I changed some of the para= m names in that function to these: writeLCD(ushort lcdaddr, byte val, int = lcdhalf) But the only change to logic was to split the color var into two = (fg & bg) --- FyberOptic wrote: > > Ah okay,= never even thought of that being a possible problem. > I don't have a 64-b= it CPU, myself. I figure the simplest solution > for future versions, now = that I know that I converted the font data > properly, is to just encode it= into a C header file and let it compile > with the source. Oh, yeah, that= would be better than fiddling with makefile. I was thinking of adding opt= ion to makefile, but that would still need to be edited to pick version. J= ust compiling it in would avoid the config hassle. I actually did somethin= g similar with your cga font, I edited it into "cgafont.s" (the db's from y= our cgafont.inc, with a label at the head) to allow sdcc code to link with = it: .module cgafont .area _CODE _cgafont_data:: .db #0x00= , #0x7e, #0x7e, #0x36, #0x08, #0x1c, #0x08, #0x00 etc. etc. > And= for the record, this is the same > font style that I use in my FyOS softwa= re on the Mailstation. I already guessed that. :-) > > With usleep(100),= it idles at about 4 or 5 percent, > I never noticed it hindering my machi= ne as I worked so I never even > thought to check. I didn't notice any slu= ggish behavior, but I have the "system monitor" added to gnome desktop's to= olbar, so whenever that drops down, it's right there. CPU temps and system= temps, too. (see screenshot with 6 mailstation emulators running.) > Yet= I've had to use usleep in daemons before so > you'd think I would remember= how important some CPU idle time in > there can be! > > The easiest cross-= platform fix is: > > #ifdef WIN32 > Sleep(1); > #else > usl= eep(1000); > #endif Looks good! (So sleep is in ms on win32? I think it = is in sec on Linux.) > Windows doesn't have less than 1 millisecond sleep = unless you get into > high-definition timers, and that's a bit overkill. F= rom my momentary > tinkering I didn't notice any real difference in perform= ance by having > a whole millisecond delay. 1 ms seems fine to me. It's n= ot till you get up over 20 ms that it really starts to get bad. Actually, = right before 16 ms, the delay goes back to un-noticable. Seems the emulati= on of the "slice" is happening in less than a millisecond, so most of the 1= 6 ms is just waiting. The delay peaks around usleep(15300) or so, and at 1= 5400, it drops back to un-noticable. (This is on dual 2.5 GHz AMD processo= r). For a default, 1 ms seems good for just about any cpu speed. Maybe you = can make it a runtime config option? I used the highly scientific procedur= e of counting "thousands", from power-on to splash, and I don't quite get t= o the "s" in "one thousand two" with 1-500 us range. Seems I can get to "t= hous" at 1000 us, and "thousan" at 5000 us. At 10,000 us I can just about = get the whole "one thousand two" out. On a real mailstation I get the same= as the 500us and lower, > > Oh, I think I get it, z80_Execute() runs Z80_= IPeriod =3D 187500 > > T states each call. That makes more sense now... I = was > > wondering why it still worked with such large sleep times! > > (Ama= zing how a little sleep can make things clearer!) > > I just did some quick= math for the number. The Mailstation OS always > runs at 12mhz, so 120000= 00 / 64 =3D 187500. 64 being the frequency of the > keyboard interrupt I d= etermined before. When all the specified CPU cycles > are used, the Z80_In= terrupt() function is called. This function automatically > fires the Mail= station keyboard interrupt (if it's enabled) 64 times a second. > Also, aft= er 64 counts of this function executing, the Mailstation time16 > interrupt= gets fired. Are we in agreement that the emulator runs at "12 MHz" only b= ecause you call it every 16 ms, and it runs Z80_IPeriod =3D 187500 T-states= every time it is called? Just for kicks, I just now changed it to call z8= 0_execute every time thru the main loop, with no usleep, Now the mailstati= on code is running at warp 11!!! I'm not sure, but I think it is better th= an 16 x 12MHz =3D 192 MHz!!! And that would be if it was taking a full mil= lisec each call, and I think it is closer to half millisec, which would mea= n close to 400 MHz. Wheeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!! > Whenever I get around to imp= lementing support for various CPU and > (presumably) RTC timer speeds, thes= e values will be dynamic rather > than hard-coded like they are now. Not s= ure what you mean here??? You mean the PC's cpu, right??? But what RTC????= ? Oh, you mean setting the mailstation to diff cpu speeds, right? And lik= ewise with mailstation rtc. You want it to adjust emulatin speed based on = port 0d & 2f. > I'd rather know more about the > I/O port functionality fo= r setting these speeds beforehand, but I > haven't gotten around to tinkeri= ng on the hardware again yet either. All I know are the 8/10/12 MHz speeds= . There might be more. I was wondering if you ever tested the various int= errupts, to figure out if they were INT's or NMI's? > > I made all 5 of yo= ur color modes into various off-white tinted > > backgrounds with black for= eground, > > and added a sixth choice, with bluish > > foreground, and same= green tinted background (ala earthlink > > version of 120 & 150). > > > > = I'd be curious to see your color schemes, if you want to take screencaps > = or whatever. I've never even seen the screen to any other model than the >= one I have. I uploaded some screenshots to the root level of group site. = I am gonna try to embed them at top of this post, but if it doesn't work, = you can see them there. > One of the next features I want to implement is = a configuration file, > where people can just setup the keyboard/colors/etc= from there instead > of needing to recompile it. Config file would be gre= at! I was thinking that rather than having several canned colors, it would= be easier to tweak if you could adjust the rgb values of current color. U= se ctrl-1, ctrl-2, & ctrl-3 for inc red, inc green, & inc blue. Use ctrl-s= h-1 (2, & 3) for decrement. And then save the one you like in the config fi= le. Or better, ctrl 1, 2, 3 for inc, and ctrl q, w, e for dec. CJ --9-2630180421-1835808601=:5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (Reply is below the screenshots)

          The pix are 1024 x 768, click fo= r full size, or "view image" if clicking doesn't work.


          T= his is the green tinted background. 
          The ide shows some of the cod= e mods.
          (By the way, the ide is "Geany" and it is in Ubuntu repo.)



          This is white b= ackground, with black text.
          I don't really like the greenish-tint, even = though the mailstation
          actually is greenish.   I re-arranged the sd= l-event handling with nested switches.



          All 6 colors running at same time! 
          T= he backgrounds are much brighter than the actual mailstation LCD, but I don= 't think I
          would want to make them much darker.  I don't really ca= re for the red or green tints, but
          yellow and bluish are ok.  The = "new" 120/150 LCD is the greenish one below the white.




          One other code c= hange not shown above, to writeLCD function:

          lcd_data8[n + (x * 8) += (lcdaddr * 320)] =3D ((val >> n) & 1 ? LCD_fg_color : LCD_bg_col= or);

          When I was figuring out how it worked, I changed some of
          th= e param names in that function to these:

          writeLCD(ushort lcdaddr, by= te val, int lcdhalf)

          But the only change to logic was to split the c= olor var into two (fg & bg)


          --- FyberOptic wrote:
          >
          > Ah okay, never even thought of = that being a possible problem. 
          > I don't have a 64-bit CPU, my= self.  I figure the simplest solution
          > for future versions, no= w that I know that I converted the font data
          > properly, is to just = encode it into a C header file and let it compile
          > with the source.=

          Oh, yeah, that would be better than fiddling with makefile.  I= was
          thinking of adding option to makefile, but that would still needto be edited to pick version.  Just compiling it in would avoid theconfig hassle.  I actually did something similar with your cga
          fo= nt, I edited it into "cgafont.s" (the db's from your cgafont.inc,
          with = a label at the head) to allow sdcc code to link with it:

            = ;  .module cgafont
           
              .area _CODE
          &n= bsp;
          _cgafont_data::
              .db #0x00, #0x7e, #0x7e, #0x= 36, #0x08, #0x1c, #0x08, #0x00
                &nbs= p; etc. etc.
           
          > And for the record, this is the same
          >= ; font style that I use in my FyOS software on the Mailstation. 
          <= br>I already guessed that.  :-)

          > > With usleep(100), it = idles at about 4 or 5 percent,

          > I never noticed it hindering my= machine as I worked so I never even
          > thought to check. 
          <= br>I didn't notice any sluggish behavior, but I have the "system monitor"added to gnome desktop's toolbar, so whenever that drops down, it's
          ri= ght there.  CPU temps and system temps, too.  (see screenshot
          = with 6 mailstation emulators running.)

          > Yet I've had to use usle= ep in daemons before so
          > you'd think I would remember how important= some CPU idle time in
          > there can be!
          >
          > The easiest = cross-platform fix is:
          >
          > #ifdef WIN32
          >   &n= bsp;     Sleep(1);
          > #else
          >     =     usleep(1000);
          > #endif

          Looks good!  (S= o sleep is in ms on win32?  I think it is in sec on Linux.)
           <= br>> Windows doesn't have less than 1 millisecond sleep unless you get i= nto
          > high-definition timers, and that's a bit overkill.  From = my momentary
          > tinkering I didn't notice any real difference in perf= ormance by having
          > a whole millisecond delay.

          1 ms seems fin= e to me.  It's not till you get up over 20 ms that it really
          starts= to get bad.  Actually, right before 16 ms, the delay goes back
          to = un-noticable.  Seems the emulation of the "slice" is happening in
          l= ess than a millisecond, so most of the 16 ms is just waiting.

          The de= lay peaks around usleep(15300) or so, and at 15400, it drops
          back to un-= noticable.  (This is on dual 2.5 GHz AMD processor).
          For a default,= 1 ms seems good for just about any cpu speed.
          Maybe you can make it a r= untime config option?

          I used the highly scientific procedure of coun= ting "thousands",
          from power-on to splash, and I don't quite get to the = "s" in "one thousand two"
          with 1-500 us range.  Seems I can get to= "thous" at 1000 us, and "thousan"
          at 5000 us.  At 10,000 us I can= just about get the whole "one thousand two"
          out.  On a real mailst= ation I get the same as the 500us and lower,

          > > Oh, I think I= get it, z80_Execute() runs Z80_IPeriod =3D 187500
          > > T states ea= ch call.  That makes more sense now... I was
          > > wondering wh= y it still worked with such large sleep times!
          > > (Amazing how a = little sleep can make things clearer!)  
          >
          > I just= did some quick math for the number.  The Mailstation OS always
          &g= t; runs at 12mhz, so 12000000 / 64 =3D 187500.  64 being the frequency= of the
          > keyboard interrupt I determined before.  When all the= specified CPU cycles
          > are used, the Z80_Interrupt() function is ca= lled.  This function automatically
          > fires the Mailstation keyb= oard interrupt (if it's enabled) 64 times a second. 
          > Also, af= ter 64 counts of this function executing, the Mailstation time16
          > i= nterrupt gets fired.

          Are we in agreement that the emulator runs at "= 12 MHz" only because
          you call it every 16 ms, and it runs Z80_IPeriod = =3D 187500 T-states
          every time it is called?

          Just for kicks, I ju= st now changed it to call z80_execute every time
          thru the main loop, wit= h no usleep,  Now the mailstation code is
          running at warp 11!!!&nbs= p; I'm not sure, but I think it is better than
          16 x 12MHz =3D 192 MHz!!!=   And that would be if it was taking a full
          millisec each call, and= I think it is closer to half millisec,
          which would mean close to 400 MH= z.  Wheeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!

          > Whenever I get around to implem= enting support for various CPU and
          > (presumably) RTC timer speeds, = these values will be dynamic rather
          > than hard-coded like they are = now. 

          Not sure what you mean here???  You mean the PC's c= pu, right???
          But what RTC?????  Oh, you mean setting the mailstatio= n to diff
          cpu speeds, right?  And likewise with mailstation rtc.&nb= sp; You
          want it to adjust emulatin speed based on port 0d & 2f.
          <= br>> I'd rather know more about the
          > I/O port functionality for = setting these speeds beforehand, but I
          > haven't gotten around to ti= nkering on the hardware again yet either.

          All I know are the 8/10/12= MHz speeds.  There might be more.

          I was wondering if you ever = tested the various interrupts, to
          figure out if they were INT's or NMI's= ?
           
          > > I made all 5 of your color modes into various off-= white tinted
          > > backgrounds with black foreground,
          > >= and added a sixth choice, with bluish
          > > foreground, and same gr= een tinted background (ala earthlink
          > > version of 120 & 150)= .
          > >
          >
          > I'd be curious to see your color schemes, = if you want to take screencaps
          > or whatever.  I've never even = seen the screen to any other model than the
          > one I have.

          I u= ploaded some screenshots to the root level of group site.  I
          am gon= na try to embed them at top of this post, but if it
          doesn't work, you ca= n see them there. 

          > One of the next features I want to imp= lement is a configuration file,
          > where people can just setup the ke= yboard/colors/etc from there instead
          > of needing to recompile it.
          Config file would be great!

          I was thinking that rather than ha= ving several canned colors,
          it would be easier to tweak if you could adj= ust the rgb values
          of current color.  Use ctrl-1, ctrl-2, & ctr= l-3 for inc red,
          inc green, & inc blue.  Use ctrl-sh-1 (2, &am= p; 3) for decrement.
          And then save the one you like in the config file.&= nbsp; Or better,
          ctrl 1, 2, 3 for inc, and ctrl q, w, e for dec.

          = CJ




          --9-2630180421-1835808601=:5-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56435 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2010 19:14:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jan 2010 19:14:42 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2010 19:14:42 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2010 19:12:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2010 19:10:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:10:00 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "FyberOptic" Subject: Checksum Conundrum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=427034928; y=w7KqXSAmeT6bG7a7lmbbqIptG_LMT1EP7wRcAthTHY0yBaKa8bzPKqM X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 1663 Lines: 32 As recently discovered, the Mailstation emulator seems to be returning a di= fferent checksum value for the firmware than what you get on the real hardw= are. I've been digging through the disassembled code, trying to figure out= why. From what I can tell, the firmware does a checksum of each 16K page = of the codeflash (just adding all the bytes together), then adds it to an o= verall total as it goes through each page. I made a simple C util to mimic= this, printing out the current and total checksums for each iteration of t= he loop. I then also set a trace (via the emulator) on the address in the = v2.53 firmware where the addition takes place, so that I could see both the= current checksum and total checksum in its CPU registers. Each loop itera= tion's values match in both the firmware and my util. Final checksum value= s also match. So, unless I've missed something, which is seeming less like= ly the more I dig into the overall checksum function, then it's looking lik= e it might not be an emulator issue. If this is the case, then what could = possibly be the cause of two different people dumping two different firmwar= e versions with incorrect checksums? If anyone has a way to debug this in = the actual hardware, that'd be even more helpful. In v2.53, the checksum f= unction starts in page 2 (if you start at 0), at 0x5e2c. This all calls on= 0x2731 in page 0 to do the checksum of each page. The addition of each pa= ge checksum into the total happens at 0x5e79 (I was tracing at 0x5e7a after= the addition took place). Dunno if there's anyone still here who can do= hardware debugging, but it's worth a shot! From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 37597 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2010 00:00:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2010 00:00:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2010 00:00:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2010 23:59:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jan 2010 23:59:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:59:17 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "cyranojones_lalp" Subject: Re: Checksum Conundrum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=3LiV43AutvqyybMWCKTFE78teIyqkid5YyrlG0mF3ckn_Vt_2VcKlgXT6w X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 4517 Lines: 137 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "FyberOptic" wrote: = > > As recently discovered, the Mailstation emulator seems to be returning = a different checksum value for the firmware than what you get on the real h= ardware. I've been digging through the disassembled code, trying to figure= out why. > > From what I can tell, the firmware does a checksum of each 1= 6K page of the codeflash (just adding all the bytes together), then adds it= to an overall total as it goes through each page. That sounds like what= I remember, but what I don't get is, 64 pages x 255 max value an 8 bit byt= e can hold =3D 0x3fc0 max value the checksum could be. Seems like both the= hardware and emulator are getting higher values!!! I guess I need to take= a look at that calc. From the values both you and I got last week, the = diff between hardware and emulated was 0x0011 & 0x0055, IIRC. I find it cu= rious that the differences are so low, and one is exactly 5x the other. > = I made a simple C util to mimic this, printing out the current and total ch= ecksums for each iteration of the loop. I then also set a trace (via the e= mulator) on the address in the v2.53 firmware where the addition takes plac= e, so that I could see both the current checksum and total checksum in its = CPU registers. Each loop iteration's values match in both the firmware and= my util. Final checksum values also match. I assume you mean you ran th= e test on PC (without emulator). Can you run it on the mailstation hardware= ? > So, unless I've missed something, which is seeming less likely the mo= re I dig into the overall checksum function, then it's looking like it migh= t not be an emulator issue. If this is the case, then what could possibly = be the cause of two different people dumping two different firmware version= s with incorrect checksums? If the code in hardware mailstation matches th= e code emulator is running, and gives different results, it seems it has to= be a problem in emulator, or maybe the z80 emulation. For what it is wort= h, last few days I have been messing with trying to run an app on emulator,= without much success. One problem I found is the mailstation apparently o= nly uses the low 4 bits of the "device" byte, and when accessing "apps" fro= m dataflash, it uses one of the high 4 bits of device as a flag. I added a= printf to emulator, and the device is sometimes "0x13" when accessing apps= . I added "& 0x0f" to the address calc in emulator, but I still was not abl= e to run an app. Without the "& 0x0f" it the emulation locked up, and with= it, it reboots. I decided I wanted to step thru the code, and since the "= docs" for z80em (and I use the term "doc" very loosely here) mentioned a b= uilt in debugger, I set out to try to enable it. Unless I am missing somet= hing here, there is not really a debugger, rather just a "trace", and you c= an set the address you want to start tracing at. The trace is not very hel= pful, unless you can actually see it, and it flys by faster than the retrac= e on my monitor can keep up with. Have you tried to use it??? Maybe I mis= sed something? I did not see any way to single-step. I imagine I could red= irect trace to a file, but I did not do that yet. I have been wondering if= it would be worth the trouble to add some real debug capability, or if it = would be easier to use a different emulator that already had one. (MAME/ME= SS comes to mind, but I have zero experience with it.) > If anyone has a w= ay to debug this in the actual hardware, that'd be even more helpful. In v= 2.53, the checksum function starts in page 2 (if you start at 0), at 0x5e2c= . This all calls on 0x2731 in page 0 to do the checksum of each page. The= addition of each page checksum into the total happens at 0x5e79 (I was tra= cing at 0x5e7a after the addition took place). > > Dunno if there's anyo= ne still here who can do hardware debugging, but it's worth a shot! It's b= een quite a few years now since I had that stuff set up. I still have the m= odded mailstation, but I am sure a wire or two has come loose. I would lik= e to be able to set it up, but I have a severe lack of empty horizontalness= here. And, prolly the main holdup, I don't use the computer it ran with an= ymore. I had started to do a new version of the "mailbug" stuff, that ran = on XP, but I never finished it. I would like to resurrect it, and get it r= unning on Linux now, just have not had time. CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 8685 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2010 07:50:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2010 07:50:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2010 07:50:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2010 07:50:49 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2010 07:50:49 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 07:50:49 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "FyberOptic" Subject: Re: Checksum Conundrum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=427034928; y=OPfs3CcW2RnV-MJR2sgL8iV8xwGgL7Ta8itJGu6JwH9_xdSBz-4JkzM X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 7434 Lines: 203 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "cyranojones_lalp" wrote: > > That sounds like what I remember, but what I don't get i= s, > 64 pages x 255 max value an 8 bit byte can hold =3D 0x3fc0 max > value= the checksum could be. Seems like both the hardware > and emulator are ge= tting higher values!!! I guess I > need to take a look at that calc. We= ll see, for each page it's just adding each individual byte together to a 1= 6-bit value. For example, if every byte was 0xFF, you'd end up with a page= total of 4,177,920 (16384 bytes in page * 255). But since it's 16-bit it = wraps around several times (you'd get a value of like 49,152 instead). Tha= t resulting page value is then added to the overall checksum value each tim= e through the loop, so the total checksum also wraps many times. So the ch= ecksum could be any 16-bit value. > > > I made a simple C util to mimic = this, printing out the current and total checksums for each iteration of th= e loop. I then also set a trace (via the emulator) on the address in the v= 2.53 firmware where the addition takes place, so that I could see both the = current checksum and total checksum in its CPU registers. Each loop iterat= ion's values match in both the firmware and my util. Final checksum values= also match. > > I assume you mean you ran the test on PC (without emulat= or). > Can you run it on the mailstation hardware? > Yeah the test app w= as a standalone program on the PC, which did a checksum of whatever firmwar= e file I specified on the command line. On the Mailstation side, I was let= ting it do its normal checksum routine from the test menu, but had a trace = set on a particular address in that function so I could witness each additi= on operation during the checksum calculation. > > If the code in hardwar= e mailstation matches the code emulator > is running, and gives different r= esults, it seems it has to be > a problem in emulator, or maybe the z80 emu= lation. My assumption was that the code quite possibly didn't match betwee= n the emulator and hardware. I especially started thinking this when my st= andalone utility was giving me the same checksum as the emulator. > > F= or what it is worth, last few days I have been messing with > trying to run= an app on emulator, without much success. > > One problem I found is the = mailstation apparently only > uses the low 4 bits of the "device" byte, and= when > accessing "apps" from dataflash, it uses one of the high > 4 bits o= f device as a flag. I added a printf to emulator, > and the device is some= times "0x13" when accessing apps. > I added "& 0x0f" to the address calc in= emulator, but I > still was not able to run an app. Without the "& 0x0f" = > it the emulation locked up, and with it, it reboots. I'd be curious to t= ry that app out myself to see if I can figure out what the problem is. >= > I decided I wanted to step thru the code, and since the > "docs" for z8= 0em (and I use the term "doc" very loosely > here) mentioned a built in de= bugger, I set out to try > to enable it. Unless I am missing something her= e, > there is not really a debugger, rather just a "trace", > and you can s= et the address you want to start tracing > at. The trace is not very helpf= ul, unless you can > actually see it, and it flys by faster than the retrac= e > on my monitor can keep up with. > > Have you tried to use it??? Maybe= I missed something? > I did not see any way to single-step. > What I did= was recompile z80em with debug enabled. I then added a command-line switc= h to specify a breakpoint address, which I set into the Z80_Trace variable.= When the emulator hits the address, my debug function prints the page/dev= ice, prints the registers and some stack, dumps the ram to a file, and give= s me a basic prompt on the console window. I can hit enter to progress lin= e by line, or hit C to continue with emulation (until it hits the breakpoin= t again). Unfortunately it doesn't display the assembly code instruction w= hen stopped, which I don't think is even possible using this emulation core= (though libz80 could!). But it was fine for my purposes. I knew what lin= es were what based on the disassembled source in my text editor. I just ne= eded to see register values and ram. Still can't peek/poke memory or I/O o= r anything like that, but it shouldn't be hard to add at this point. This = will all be in the next version I release I guess, whenever it gets cleaned= up. I've been poking a bunch of junk in for my own purposes as of late. = I may modify the z80em core to be capable of multiple breakpoints too, whic= h would be useful. And I can probably do memory and I/O breakpoints in the= normal handler functions for those. > I imagine I could redirect trace = to a file, but I did not > do that yet. I have been wondering if it would = be > worth the trouble to add some real debug capability, > or if it would = be easier to use a different emulator > that already had one. (MAME/MESS c= omes to mind, but I > have zero experience with it.) Z80em should be fine = with maybe some minor updates. I can write in a function to decypher the n= ext opcode to text myself if I want a more advanced debugger, it'll just ta= ke a little work. So, now to what I've done since my last post. After= digging for ages trying to find my laplink/interlink cable again just to s= end code to the Mailstation (I put things where I'll remember them later, t= hen forget where I put them), I wrote a Mailstation test program to work ve= ry similar to the one I wrote on my PC. It does the checksum of a codeflas= h page, displays the value of that, along with the current total checksum v= alue, looping through all 64 pages (with a pause between each one). I'm st= ill using a checksum function from the firmware to do this, which is 0x2731= in v2.53, and 0x2724 in v3.03a. No need to rewrite something so small whe= n it's easy to see exactly what it does in the disassembly. It's called fr= om the larger function which calculates the total firmware checksum. Any= how, with this, I was able to match up page checksums displayed on the Mail= station screen to the ones from my PC equivalent of the program (not in the= emulator, mind you). From a glance, it seemed like the page checksums all= matched, until it got to the end. I then saw the same alternate total che= cksum value that I get in the maintenance tests on the hardware. So I incr= eased the delay between outputs so that I could confirm each individual pag= e checksum. It started out good, until it got to page 17. Instead of 0x7c= 6e which I get on the PC, I got 0x7c5D. But then, oddly, all the rest of t= he pages matched up perfectly. So only page 17 had the problem. That's th= e 0x11 byte difference in the overall checksum I was getting between hardwa= re and emulator. This shows that it's apparently not the emulator after = all, and is something different between the firmware and my dump of it. Ne= xt step is to redump just page 17 to my computer and see if transfers wrong= again, but that'll take more assembly code, and I'm off to bed for now. Y= et I have a feeling I'm going to get the same alternate version of the page= , in which case I'm going to have to break that page down into pieces to se= e what's going on. We'll see. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: randy129@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36636 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2010 00:14:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jan 2010 00:14:19 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2010 00:14:19 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.49] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2010 00:14:18 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by t2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2010 00:14:18 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2010 00:14:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 00:14:15 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "randy129" Subject: Re: Checksum Conundrum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=153759313; y=pRyt_qksdZA7qb2HN3JzsYuqS7Ex8uLXCuUBL3RPlt5JoeM X-Yahoo-Profile: randy129 Status: RO Content-Length: 6798 Lines: 249 --- FyberOptic wrote: > > --- cyranojones_lalp wrote: > > > > That sound= s like what I remember, but what I don't get is, > > 64 pages x 255 max val= ue an 8 bit byte can hold =3D 0x3fc0 max > Well see, for each page it's ju= st adding each individual byte together Yeah. I jumped to conclusion tha= t "checksum8" was returning 8 bit checksums. > > For what it is worth, la= st few days I have been messing with > > trying to run an app on emulator, = without much success. > > > > One problem I found is the mailstation appar= ently only > > uses the low 4 bits of the "device" byte, and when > > acces= sing "apps" from dataflash, it uses one of the high > > 4 bits of device as= a flag. I added a printf to emulator, > > and the device is sometimes "0x= 13" when accessing apps. > > I added "& 0x0f" to the address calc in emulat= or, but I > > still was not able to run an app. Without the "& 0x0f" > > i= t the emulation locked up, and with it, it reboots. > > I'd be curious to = try that app out myself to see if I can figure out what the > problem is. = I got it working. :-) I'll post some stuff soon, but helloapp.rom is in = file area. Just paste it into your dataflash image with a hex editor, and t= weak the "app directory" in page 8. The app I was having trouble with is a= sort of frankenstein app, with a bunch of tests of various widgets from th= e mailstation firmware. Turns out it was a problem with sdcc linking the w= rong putchar. I don't remember doing it, but it probably happened a few mon= ths ago when I was switching between various snapshots of sdcc. I had comm= ented out the custom putchar in my makefile!!! I have not actually used = sdcc for anything since feb 2008, but I joined their mail list back in '07.= Since then, there have been a few problems others were having (with the = z80 port of sdcc), that I remembered having myself. One in particular wa= s that -o just did not work with the z80 linker. I had learned to work aro= und it myself, and I even looked into fixing it, but never got to the botto= m of it. So, though I was not presently using sdcc, when yet another was l= earning of this bug the hard way (~ Sept 2009), I took another look at it. = This time I saw what the problem was, and patched it. In the process of t= esting, I was recompiling a mailstation app, and I guess I got tired of del= eting the "putchar" from sdcc's z80 lib in various sdcc snapshot versions. = I knew at the time that the standard putchar would not work on the mailst= ation, but since I was not actually gonna try to run the code (or so I tho= ught!) it did not matter. When I got done with the patch, I forgot to put= the putchar back in my lib. I don't really have a lot of experience with = c libs, but I seem to recall that the sdcc manual states that it will use t= he version of a lib from the first place it finds it on the lib search list= . IIRC, I had to remove the standard putchar, but not getchar, to get my c= ode to link. Likewise with crt0. Anyone care to comment on what the stand= ard behaviour is in this regard? And by standard, I guess I mean "what doe= s gcc do?". > > I decided I wanted to step thru the code, and since the >= > "docs" for z80em (and I use the term "doc" very loosely > > here) menti= oned a built in debugger, I set out to try > > to enable it. Unless I am m= issing something here, > > there is not really a debugger, rather just a "t= race", > > and you can set the address you want to start tracing > > at. T= he trace is not very helpful, unless you can > > actually see it, and it fl= ys by faster than the retrace > > on my monitor can keep up with. > > > > = Have you tried to use it??? Maybe I missed something? > > I did not see an= y way to single-step. > > What I did was recompile z80em with debug enable= d. I then added a > command-line switch to specify a breakpoint address, = which I set into > the Z80_Trace variable. That is essentialy what I di= d, too. > When the emulator hits the address, my debug > function prints = the page/device, prints the registers and some stack, > dumps the ram to a= file, and gives me a basic prompt on the console window. > I can hit ent= er to progress line by line, or hit C to continue with > emulation (until = it hits the breakpoint again). Sounds like you replaced the built in "Z80= _Debug(Z80_Regs *R)" with your own, 'coz the built-in one does *not* stop. = > Unfortunately it doesn't > display the assembly code instruction when s= topped, Sounds like you replaced the built in "Z80_Debug(Z80_Regs *R)" wi= th your own, 'coz the built-in one *does* display the disassemled inst. > = which I don't think is > even possible using this emulation core (though l= ibz80 could!). See one comment above. ;-) > But it > was fine for my = purposes. I knew what lines were what based on the > disassembled source = in my text editor. I just needed to see register > values and ram. > > S= till can't peek/poke memory or I/O or anything like that, but it shouldn't = > be hard to add at this point. Nothing is "hard" about it, except mayb= e finding the time to do it. > This will all be in the next version I rele= ase > I guess, whenever it gets cleaned up. I've been poking a bunch of j= unk in > for my own purposes as of late. > > I may modify the z80em core = to be capable of multiple breakpoints too, > which would be useful. And I= can probably do memory and I/O breakpoints > in the normal handler functi= ons for those. Yeah, I made some changes to it myself, but I wonder if it = might be better to keep it "as is", and extend it on the msemu side. One id= ea I had was to change how you call it, so it only executes a single inst o= n every call (and of course mod the interrupt emulation to compensate). As= far as the number of breakpoints, in my experience, the only time I ever r= eally needed more than one was when single stepping over conditional branch= es, where you drop a breakpoint for both possible "next" cases. And that i= s only when debugging on hardware, where you need to modify the code at the= "breakpoints". With an emulated cpu, you don't need to do this, you can j= ust execute a single instruction, and it will stop whichever way it branch= ed. > Next step is to redump just page 17 to my computer and see = if transfers > wrong again, but that'll take more assembly code, and I'm o= ff to bed for now. > Yet I have a feeling I'm going to get the same alter= nate version of the page, > in which case I'm going to have to break that = page down into pieces to see > what's going on. Can't you just dump the= whole rom again (with existing code)? When you say 17, do you mean decima= l 17, or 0x17? CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39335 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2010 20:01:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jan 2010 20:01:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.102) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2010 20:01:56 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.238] by n6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2010 19:58:02 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by t3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2010 19:58:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2010 19:58:02 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:58:02 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "FyberOptic" Subject: Re: Checksum Conundrum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=427034928; y=5Bbm0Dk76cU5w9UolsiF-Qj6OdcZ8AgzuSzBD7QUhHwSpqnQTfPNsi4 X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 4022 Lines: 123 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "randy129" wrote: > = > In the process of testing, I was recompiling a mailstation app, > and I = guess I got tired of deleting the "putchar" from sdcc's > z80 lib in variou= s sdcc snapshot versions. I knew at the time > that the standard putchar = would not work on the mailstation, > but since I was not actually gonna try= to run the code (or so I > thought!) it did not matter. When I got done = with the > patch, I forgot to put the putchar back in my lib. > > I don't= really have a lot of experience with c libs, but I > seem to recall that t= he sdcc manual states that it will use > the version of a lib from the firs= t place it finds it on the > lib search list. IIRC, I had to remove the st= andard putchar, > but not getchar, to get my code to link. Likewise with c= rt0. > > Anyone care to comment on what the standard behaviour is in this = > regard? And by standard, I guess I mean "what does gcc do?". I recently= updated my SDCC as well and ran into this problem again. All I do though = is delete their version of putchar.o from the LIB then include my own versi= on on the command line when I link a program (along with my custom crt0). = I could add it to their system library and all, but I like to keep my code = separate from theirs. If one regularly updates their SDCC from the snapsho= t, then it should be easy enough to make a script to take care of deleting = putchar.o from their LIB automatically. They don't use the SDCCLIB utility= anymore for the system libraries, which threw me off a bit at first till I= read the updated manual. They use the standard binutils "ar" command now.= Though to create the index the normal "ranlib" doesn't work, so you have = to use "asranlib" that comes with SDCC. > > > When the emulator hits th= e address, my debug > > function prints the page/device, prints the regist= ers and some stack, > > dumps the ram to a file, and gives me a basic prom= pt on the console window. > > I can hit enter to progress line by line, o= r hit C to continue with > > emulation (until it hits the breakpoint again= ). > > Sounds like you replaced the built in "Z80_Debug(Z80_Regs *R)" wit= h > your own, 'coz the built-in one does *not* stop. > Yeah Z80_Debug in = the z80em header is just a placeholder, you have to create your own functio= n to handle it. > > Yeah, I made some changes to it myself, but I won= der if it might be > better to keep it "as is", and extend it on the msemu = side. > One idea I had was to change how you call it, so it only executes >= a single inst on every call (and of course mod the interrupt emulation > t= o compensate). Well, if you only want to execute one instruction at a time= without modifying the z80em source, you could enable Z80_Trace, and then i= t calls your debug function regularly. That just slows you down in the end= , though, unless you're only using it during debugging. > > Can't you j= ust dump the whole rom again (with existing code)? > > When you say 17, do= you mean decimal 17, or 0x17? > > CJ > I meant decimal 17. I finally g= ot around to redumping my codeflash. As it turns out, I must have just had= a bad dump all along. On this one, my checksum utility now returns the sa= me value as the emulator which also returns the same value as the hardware.= As for what's in page 17 where I was getting the checksum difference, I h= aven't looked. I never had any problems out of my previous dump aside from= that checksum, so maybe it was either code I was never executing or some g= raphical data or something. I just never assumed it was a dump issue, beca= use usually whenever those happened it threw the whole dump off (and then u= sually stopped just short of 100% of the total data). I guess if I ever im= plement anything involving parallel port transfer (which I started writing = into FyOS before), I'll definitely be including some kind of checksum on th= e data packets. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18747 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2010 04:06:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2010 04:06:53 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n5-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.101) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2010 04:06:52 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.49] by n5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2010 04:06:44 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by t2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2010 04:06:44 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2010 04:06:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 04:06:44 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "FyberOptic" Subject: Mailstation CPU revisited X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=427034928; y=kp458DH-wt-U8psbWxFSFFV_CjGqBezHe-6DwaxBdEN6GyDbNUtQNXs X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 3527 Lines: 68 I've jump around between Mailstation and semi-Mailstation-related ideas lat= ely, and one of them would involve precise timing. So I was looking at the= cycles it takes for the Z80 to execute particular instructions, which even= tually led me to taking another look at the Mailstation's "delay" function.= In the commented disassembly of page 0 for that function, it shows timi= ngs of: @8MHz, 10634 * 0.125 usec =3D 1.33 msec @12MHz 10634 * 0.083 us= ec =3D 0.886 msec Seems to me that if they ran at around like 10mhz, the= y would have been much closer to 1ms. Then I got to wondering if anyone ha= d actually proven that the Mailstation can run exactly at these 8 and 12mhz= speeds, or if these were simply assumptions. Has anyone physically tested= this somehow to be sure that these are the exact mhz? That would be impor= tant to know. I would love to just test this myself (among other things on= the Mailstation) but I simply have no fancy equipment beyond a multimeter.= Oscilloscopes, logic analyzers, etc, all cost way more than I can afford,= unfortunately. Looking at the group here, it seems some Mailstations use = a "122AS9Y" crystal. Mine uses a "122AP98". 12.2mhz? No way of knowing w= ithout having the manufacturer's codes. I was going to test it with softwa= re, but then I came upon another realization. What if the clock cycles for= this chip aren't the same as the Z80? Various Z80 microcontroller version= s I've seen tend to need less clock cycles per instruction. So this would = seem to make testing either the CPU speed or instruction timing via softwar= e impossible without knowing one or the other. I seem to recall someone th= inking it was a Rabbit brand chip for the CPU once upon a time. I've looke= d at the lowest Z80-compatible chip they still sell, the Rabbit 2000, and w= hile it has some similar hardware features, it's fairly different in most o= ther respects. But it too has the reduced clocks per instruction. Persona= lly I have no reason to think it's from Rabbit than from any other company,= based on the part number. This had me remembering that a lot of these Z80= microcontrollers are actually Z180/64180 compatibles, and I got to wonderi= ng if anyone had ever actually tested the Mailstation hardware for this or = were just basing their Z80 assumption on the disassembly. So I made a quic= k test, loading HL with some values, then doing the Z180 "mlt" instruction = on HL, and printing both values to the screen. The values were the same, m= eaning the instruction didn't work. I even disassembled my binary and it s= howed for sure that I had used the right opcode. So I think if there was s= till any doubt, this seems to prove that Z180 capability doesn't exist as f= ar as I can figure. Something else that came to mind is that this chip mig= ht actually have some flash memory in it for all we know, like all these ot= her Z80 microcontrollers tend to. I have a Dallas 8052 microcontroller tha= t works like this, where the flash can be disabled by pulling a certain pin= high or low if you want to use external memory instead. There could be a = code/dataflash loader, diagnostics, or even just be totally empty. Of cour= se, I'm basing my assumptions on more modern chips, where as this thing is = 10 years old now, and those extra features would have been much more expens= ive back then. So who knows what it has in it, short of someone with a mic= roscope pulling it apart and visually identifying things! From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 15007 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2010 18:03:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2010 18:03:40 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2010 18:03:40 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2010 18:03:31 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2010 18:03:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:03:31 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "cyranojones_lalp" Subject: Re: Mailstation CPU revisited X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=4cZvwpy3Ws9y9Dm6ungtxyENLqCD1HtJkYq9BINqeZqy9TiSGXRJPn0jtg X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 10852 Lines: 374 --- FyberOptic wrote: > > I've jump around between Mailstation and = semi-Mailstation- > related ideas lately, and one of them would involve pre= cise > timing. So I was looking at the cycles it takes for the > Z80 to e= xecute particular instructions, which eventually > led me to taking anothe= r look at the Mailstation's "delay" > function. > > In the commented dis= assembly of page 0 for that function, > it shows timings of: > @8MHz, 106= 34 * 0.125 usec =3D 1.33 msec > @12MHz 10634 * 0.083 usec =3D 0.886 msec = > > Seems to me that if they ran at around like 10mhz, they would have >= been much closer to 1ms. The mailstation resets to 8 MHz iirc. At 0000:= 1B37 it shifts to 10 MHz. (I imagine it is really 10/12ths of 12.2 MHz + = or - crystal tolerance + or - temperature drift.) I seem to recall (but I'= d have to check, and I don't have time right now) that my mbug code ran ms= at 12 MHz. The numbers are just rough estimates. I ran some tests where = I counted up the T states a delay would take, assuming standard z80 timing.= I don't recall exactly, but I probably ran it for 1 or maybe 10 minutes, = and it came out that it was running at pretty close to 8 MHz. This was at = the time that it was assumed (via Cidco press releases) that it was a 27 MH= z z80. I wrote bit-banged routines for mbug, assuming 8 MHz. Later, I dis= covered that during ms init, it shifted gears to 10 MHz (I suppose I really= should say "approximately", but it is 10 MHz to us non-Vulcans.) The wa= y I found it was single stepping thru the init, till mbug quit responding, = right after an "out" to port 0x0d. I wrote a test to set that port in my = own code, and tested the delay time again. A little experimentation showe= d you could set it to 12 MHz (again, "approximately"). From the "datasheet= " in file area (it's under partfiles, or something like that, where the res= t of the datasheets are filed): Port #0D: CPU clock rate. Resets to 8MHz= . #f0=3D8MHz #30=3D10MHz #00=3D12MHz. (might be bits 4 & 6 only. bits= 0-3 dontcare or somthinelse) The keyboard matrix data is there, too, alon= g with LCD. I forgot to tell you when you asked a week or so ago. Or I shou= ld say, I started to reply, but I went to bed in middle, and by next day t= here was new message that I started to reply to... I think 3 or 4 unfinish= ed replies to your posts got eaten when sdl locked up X windows. I would = guess that since 0 sets clock to ~12 MHz, that the undivided clock is ~12 M= Hz. > Then I got to wondering if anyone had actually proven that > the Ma= ilstation can run exactly at these 8 and 12mhz speeds, > or if these were = simply assumptions. I guess it depends on your standard of "proven". (Cl= ose enough for government work, as they say!!!) > Has anyone physically te= sted this somehow to be sure > that these are the exact mhz? That would b= e important to know. I seem to recall rogblake (on linux-hacker board) sai= d he scoped it. http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.p= l?Action=3DShowPost&Board=3Dmswhatever&Post=3D12 But he only said it was a= lot less... uh, I'll paste it: "Also, I don't know where the 27 MHz comes= in, since probing around yielded a clock of about half that. Maybe they = have a PLL or frequency doubler in the CPU?" He was talking about an art= icle that was on zilog's website, but it has been gone for years. Fortuna= tely, a lot of what has EVER been on the web is available FOREVER thanks = to The Wayback Machine. As long as you know what URL it was at. http://= web.archive.org/web/20020927112922/http://www.zilog.com/about/relatednews/0= 22100.html > I would love to just test this myself (among other things > o= n the Mailstation) but I simply have no fancy equipment > beyond a multime= ter. Oscilloscopes, logic analyzers, etc, > all cost way more than I can = afford, unfortunately. I don't have those myself, but I have found I rarel= y needed more than rat-shack meters,and a logic probe. And the logic probe= is indispensable IMO. > Looking at the group here, it seems some Mailsta= tions use a > "122AS9Y" crystal. Mine uses a "122AP98". 12.2 mhz? No > = way of knowing without having the manufacturer's codes. I am ready to jump= to conclusion it is 12.2 MHz. The only one I have handy (already opened u= p) has at x101 "122AS99". x102 is the smaller, and I assume it is the rtc = xtal (yes, datasheet in file area sez the one connected to cpu pins 126 & 1= 27 is rtc) has no number that I can see. The modem xtal x601 sez "524AP99"= and I recall 52 MHz was... ok I'll pull up datasheet, the datasheet sez th= at the xtal is one of 28.224 MHz, 52.416 MHz, or 56.448 MHz, depending on = chip version. I can't find correlation between numbers on chip and datashe= et, but, once again, I am ready to jump to conclusion that the 524 stamped = on my xtal means 52.4 MHz, and therefore my modem chip is the 52 MHz, uh 52= .416 MHz version. I am also gonna jump to conclusion that the 99 in the xt= al numbers means they were made in 1999, coz that's just the kind of guy I = am, always jumping to conclusions! That, and I know that they often stamp= date codes on electronic parts. > I was going to test it with software, b= ut then I came upon another realization. What if the clock cycles for this= chip aren't the same as the Z80? Various Z80 microcontroller versions I'v= e seen tend to need less clock cycles per instruction. So this would seem = to make testing either the CPU speed or instruction timing via software imp= ossible without knowing one or the other. I also have wondered about that= , but I see no evidence of it, and plenty of evidence points to normal z80.= On a related idea, I noticed that the c code uses very few op-codes. The= page 00 code uses some z80 opcodes, such as indexed addressing mode, but i= t is also not as obviously c compiler generated, as the higher pages all se= em to be. I don't believe any higher pages ever use index regs. So, I won= der if maybe they used just 8080 opcodes, and the compiler was really an 80= 80 compiler? It really does not matter, though! And I am not gonna take = a lot of my time to check it out. > I seem to recall someone thinking it w= as a Rabbit brand chip for the CPU once upon a time. I've looked at the lo= west Z80-compatible chip they still sell, the Rabbit 2000, and while it has= some similar hardware features, it's fairly different in most other respec= ts. But it too has the reduced clocks per instruction. Personally I have = no reason to think it's from Rabbit than from any other company, based on t= he part number. I can't count how many hours I have spent researching that= damn cpu, but it is way more than 10, prob more like 50! The only eviden= ce for "rabbit" is some guy once posted on linux-hacker that "maybe" the RS= in RSDRD meant Rabbit Semi. He did not do any research to back up his spe= culation. But then I started getting google hits on other embedded system= boards, where idiots were posting that it WAS a rabbit part. But the only= research *they* did was to skim linux-hacker board. It's scary how easy r= umor turns to fact on the net. Now, I spent quite a bit of my time looking= at the rabbit parts, and came to conclusion only similarity was z80 code. = And then a year or two later some asshole posts that he checked, and some = pins lined up with something or other on a rabbit part. So I spent an hou= r or so once again, seeing if I had missed something. And the conclusion I= came to was it was too bad that they let just anybody post stuff on the ne= t. It really is odd how some people will just throw guesses out, as if the= y had some inside knowledge, as if that is somehow advancing the effort. = > This had me remembering that a lot of these Z80 microcontrollers are actu= ally Z180/64180 compatibles, and I got to wondering if anyone had ever actu= ally tested the Mailstation hardware for this or were just basing their Z80= assumption on the disassembly. So I made a quick test, loading HL with so= me values, then doing the Z180 "mlt" instruction on HL, and printing both v= alues to the screen. The values were the same, meaning the instruction did= n't work. I even disassembled my binary and it showed for sure that I had = used the right opcode. So I think if there was still any doubt, this seems= to prove that Z180 capability doesn't exist as far as I can figure. At le= ast you tested your hypothesis yourself. :-) > Something else that came t= o mind is that this chip might actually have some flash memory in it for al= l we know, like all these other Z80 microcontrollers tend to. I have a Dal= las 8052 microcontroller that works like this, where the flash can be disab= led by pulling a certain pin high or low if you want to use external memory= instead. There could be a code/dataflash loader, diagnostics, or even jus= t be totally empty. I HIGHLY doubt it. If it really was a standard part, = it might, but my hunch is that it is a semi-custom asic, made on a plain ol= d gate array, that just did not have the capability to create flash cells f= rom the gates. Almost anyone (with the right skills) who is willing to buy= in the quantity necessary to justify the up-front engineering costs, can o= rder up a semi-custom asic. And I am not talking about CPLD's, I mean the = kind where the gates are connected up in the final metalization layers of t= he production process. I suspect that is the reason Parallax's "Propeller"= CPU does not have flash onboard, but I am just guessing. And in case anyon= e is thinking of propagating that as fact, I'll repeat: I AM JUST GUESSING.= > Of course, I'm basing my assumptions on more modern chips, where as thi= s thing is 10 years old now, and those extra features would have been much = more expensive back then. So who knows what it has in it, short of someone= with a microscope pulling it apart and visually identifying things! Right= . I imagine there may be stuff in there we will never know about. All (or= most) of my research into this ms has been exploring how it is used in th= e ms code. If they did not use a feature, I probably won't know about it. = I know some peoples idea of how to hack the ms involved (what I call crazy= ) ideas of keeping a database of all possible key combos, and just brute fo= rce trying them!!!! This is just insane, IMO. But I never liked the "sear= ch for the hidden rooms" aspect of games, such as Doom. I mean, blowing th= e hell out of the bad guys is FUN, but feeling around every nook and cranny= to find hidden rooms - B-O-R-I-N-G!!!!!! I'd sooner disassemble it, and f= ind the rooms that way. That would actually be a lot more fun!!! CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79022 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2010 20:56:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2010 20:56:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2010 20:56:17 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2010 20:55:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2010 20:55:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:55:53 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "cyranojones_lalp" Subject: Re: Checksum Conundrum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=xAk1RsthQvv40Ta1fLNZ4XLbNlyorviq7EuTR8FR6bAdBs3hRGckFB-OSQ X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 5347 Lines: 183 > > I don't really have a lot of experience with c libs, but I > > seem to = recall that the sdcc manual states that it will use > > the version of a li= b from the first place it finds it on the > > lib search list. IIRC, I had= to remove the standard putchar, > > but not getchar, to get my code to lin= k. Likewise with crt0. > > > > Anyone care to comment on what the standar= d behaviour is in this > > regard? And by standard, I guess I mean "what d= oes gcc do?". > > I recently updated my SDCC as well and ran into this pro= blem again. > All I do though is delete their version of putchar.o from t= he LIB In the older versions of SDCC, the libs were not archives, they ju= st had all the .o's in the lib directory. I really did not want to get sid= etracked learning how to remove the putchar from the z80.lib archive file. = So, I just commented mine out in the makefile for my library! > then inc= lude my own version on the command line when I link a program I did take = the time to learn how to make a library, and I can't find where the instruc= tions are now, but (~fall 2007, whatever version of sdcc might have been cu= rrent then) the info I found then suggested just leaving the .o's in your l= ib's dir, and creating a .lib file in same dir, where this .lib was just = a list of the .o filenames that make up your library. So, I created a libr= ary for mailstation apps, with putchar & getchar (which I only use for debu= gging), and also a custom crt0 for mailstation apps. Also the header and = .s wrappers for the firmware calls. And a few other functions, like "tribl= ink", etc. The main thing different about crt0 for apps is I left the call= to gsinit out, because the app is not a standalone program, it is just a s= ingle "eventhandler" function. I let that eventhandler call the gsinit for= the app when it receives the "init" event from the mailstation. That way = my globals don't get re-init for every event, just once when app is "inited= ". This is similar to a standard program calling gsinit as the very first = thing. Just I don't want to call it every time code runs. > (along with m= y custom crt0). I could add it to their system library and all, > but I l= ike to keep my code separate from theirs. Right, I like to keep mine sep= arate, too. I really think they should remove the putchar, getchar, and= crt0 from the z80 lib, because they are not appropriate for all z80 syste= ms. In fact they are only appropriate for whatever system the default cod= e works on. (And just what system is it, anyways?????????) Those 3 funct= ions belong in a lib specific to a particular system. They should separate= them out into z80.lib and generic system_demo.lib. Then it would be a lot= clearer what parts you needed to customise for your particular hardware. = I imagine *everyone* who uses sdcc needs to remove those from the system l= ibrary. I suppose most people are more familiar with programming on a PC, = where the people who create the lib can make assumption that you are compil= ing for same type of system the compiler is running on, and those function= s can be part of the lib that comes with compiler. I know I am used to tak= ing that kind of stuff for granted. I don't think I realized there was even= any "startup" code linked when on PC, but I guess it is standard (with c a= t least???) I suppose I always thought that whatever it needed to set up, = it did at the start of "main", before my code. After playing with sdcc, I = took a look at avr-gcc, and it has startup code, too! A different startup= for each type of AVR chip. > If one regularly > updates their SDCC from= the snapshot, then it should be easy enough > to make a script to take ca= re of deleting putchar.o from their LIB automatically. I think that when I= get farther up the sdcc learning curve I will figure out how others are do= ing this. I suspect that you are supposed to "install" even the snapshots= , but I still don't know exactly how to tell it where. And more important= , where it puts the library. I don't want it to install in the default loc= ation, because I want to have more than one version available at same time,= so I can just change SDCCPATH in my projects makefile, to pick which to u= se. I thought I knew how to do this. I was running the snap from exactly = where "make" put the bin's. And I thought it was using the right library, = too. But the snaps after 2.9.0 seem to not find the lib. Actually, it see= ms it is using the lib installed in usr/local/whatever, iow the lib that in= stalled with 2.9.0. I'm *sure* the older versions were finding lib relativ= e to the executable. I wish they would quit changing this stuff! :-) > T= hey don't use the SDCCLIB utility anymore for the system libraries, which t= hrew me off a bit at first till I read the updated manual. They use the st= andard binutils "ar" command now. Though to create the index the normal "r= anlib" doesn't work, so you have to use "asranlib" that comes with SDCC. I= t seems the old way still works, too, coz my lib is still working. CJ (I= think Yahoo has a bug, where it grows blank lines at top of your post ever= y time you "preview". I just deleted 3 or 4 lines, so this should be ramme= d right to top. We'll see...) From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26512 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2010 21:37:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2010 21:37:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2010 21:37:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2010 21:33:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2010 21:33:10 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:33:09 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "cyranojones_lalp" Subject: Re: Checksum Conundrum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=6RF13Bcei0klrOfjsEytoU4_2w9PIKAQIEFuYG2jkvsBl0D8uefgYbqWVg X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 5844 Lines: 195 > > > When the emulator hits the address, my debug > > > function prints t= he page/device, prints the registers and some stack, > > > dumps the ram t= o a file, and gives me a basic prompt on the console window. > > > I can = hit enter to progress line by line, or hit C to continue with > > > emulat= ion (until it hits the breakpoint again). > > > > Sounds like you replace= d the built in "Z80_Debug(Z80_Regs *R)" with > > your own, 'coz the built-i= n one does *not* stop. > > Yeah Z80_Debug in the z80em header is just a pl= aceholder, you have to > create your own function to handle it. No, I did= n't create one, I used the one in Z80Debug.c. Did you find documentation t= hat said you need your own? From the comments in Z80Debug.c: /*** This fi= le contains a simple single step debugger which is called ***/ /*** whe= n DEBUG is #defined and Z80_Trace is true ***/ And= it implements the function void Z80_Debug(Z80_Regs *R); that is prototy= ped in Z80.h. But I agree 110 percent that you need to create your own, co= z this one does not do what the comment says it does!!! But It DOES disass= emble the instructions. It just does not stop, it keeps going, pouring out= the disassembly from the point that you set with the trap var. I tried r= edirecting to a file, and you don't know what fun IS until you have tried t= o open a 1.5 gigabyte text file! And that was only running a second or so = past the trap point. I knew it would be a large file, but this is ridiculo= us! But I did find where my code went haywire and started executing from t= he low address of 0000:0008. There was a "rst 8" right before that, and I = checked the address of the function with the rst 8 in in it, with the .map = file, and it was putchar. That rst 8 looked mighty familiar at that poin= t, just like the "standard" putchar!!!! It all came back to me soon afte= r that... > > Yeah, I made some changes to it myself, but I wonder if it m= ight be > > better to keep it "as is", and extend it on the msemu side. > >= One idea I had was to change how you call it, so it only executes > > a si= ngle inst on every call (and of course mod the interrupt emulation > > to c= ompensate). > > Well, if you only want to execute one instruction at a tim= e without modifying the z80em source, you could enable Z80_Trace, and then = it calls your debug function regularly. That just slows you down in the en= d, though, unless you're only using it during debugging. Yeah, you could d= o it that way too, but then you need to leave out Z80Debug.c that comes wit= h z80em. But if you just set the "Z80_IPeriod" to 0, then I think it will = single step, and you can handle it in msemu. I don't know if it is better,= just how I think I would do it. of course you would need to mod the inter= rupt emulation, too. (iow, you need to time them yourself, if z80em is now = checking for int after every instruction.) The way it is now, you *can't*= get an interrupt except once every millisec. That is probably good enoug= h, though. Particularly for the 1 ms interrupt. But when is the 1 sec in= t happening???? Is it stealing one of the 1 ms ints on those cases???? W= hat about other interrupts, like the ones you found for kbd & power button?= ??? I imagine 1 ms period is ok there too, but it is not really an interru= pt if it can only happen at a particular time. Not that it really matters= . Perhaps it will do all the pending interrupts on each 1 ms beat??? I'm= not sure just how it is working now. > > When you say 17, do you mean dec= imal 17, or 0x17? > I meant decimal 17. > > I finally got around to redum= ping my codeflash. As it turns out, I must have just had a bad dump all al= ong. On this one, my checksum utility now returns the same value as the em= ulator which also returns the same value as the hardware. As for what's in= page 17 where I was getting the checksum difference, I haven't looked. I = never had any problems out of my previous dump aside from that checksum, so= maybe it was either code I was never executing or some graphical data or s= omething. If you start at 0, and mean page 0x11, then it looks like it is = all related to address book functions, either the address book app itself, = or the address book functions in "inbox", "outbox", "create new", or "sent= " apps. > I just never assumed it was a dump issue, because usually whenev= er those happened it threw the whole dump off (and then usually stopped jus= t short of 100% of the total data). So, you are saying it happens often?= ;^) I still need to get to the bottom of my checksum "anomally". I an us= ing the data from the 253yr dump in file area, not my actual 2.53yr mailsta= tion. I probably should get around to making room to set up old pc, and du= mp actual code. Or maybe I need to figure out how to run it on Linux??? I= can run it under a dos emulator (for what it's worth, that pegs cpu at 10= 0% too). But I don't know how hard it is to get access to par port??? Ma= ybe if I run as root? heh heh heh! Everywhere I look, more learning cur= ves. And only one lifetime. sniff. > I guess if I ever implement anythin= g involving parallel port transfer (which I started writing into FyOS befor= e), I'll definitely be including some kind of checksum on the data packets.= I know it makes some cringe, but I did not put any checksum in the tribb= lelink code, and I never noticed a hiccup. Doesn't mean it didn't, but I = never noticed any, and I was using it A LOT. I was loading the ms firmwar= e into RAM, and verifying whenever I thought I should, and NEVER was there = a problem. And all the commands to mbug went over it. Heck, even mbug got= loaded over it!!! [ouch, I think I dislocated my shoulder...] CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 39340 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2010 00:04:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2010 00:04:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2010 00:04:03 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1264205043; bh=E2/9saIp8QiPleBY1FYZt8NdEcSj3tRrP92Nw1hVGA8=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:Date:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:X-Yahoo-Post-IP:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=OPJkoclvVUbwA4D0CPk1joTOHwpHhEuS6kkS9Z0lysxRqmeM/mryxkDdGJZP+NOyt6WVB4MMi8iouo74FwsEk0LIrM4m9TSU+xKjPnPpoFqLZ+2DhRTGK1NF0IfNLwZh Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2010 00:04:03 -0000 Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2010 00:04:03 -0000 X-Sender: lwoodzw@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49735 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2010 22:56:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jan 2010 22:56:33 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2010 22:56:32 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2010 22:56:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2010 22:56:24 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:56:21 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "lwoodzw" Subject: Re: Mailstation CPU revisited X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=280069642; y=c1gnyhiDrZ13z_Xohy444XM-gnlpo6ZvQ_AA_XhgZg3Mxg X-Yahoo-Profile: lwoodzw X-eGroups-Approved-By: cyranojones_lalp via web; 23 Jan 2010 00:04:02 -0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 2058 Lines: 73 Hah -- someone just asked me today if I had ever heard of the "RSDRD" so= I went to look it up... and found this post. As someone who has worked o= n the processor designs for Rabbit Semiconductor since 1999, I can _guarant= ee_ you that the MailStation CPU is not a Rabbit processor :v) -Lynn = --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "cyranojones_lalp" wrote: >> I seem to recall someone thinking it was a Rabbit brand >> = chip for the CPU once upon a time. I've looked at the >> lowest Z80-compa= tible chip they still sell, the Rabbit >> 2000, and while it has some simi= lar hardware features, >> it's fairly different in most other respects. B= ut it >> too has the reduced clocks per instruction. Personally >> I hav= e no reason to think it's from Rabbit than from >> any other company, based= on the part number. > I can't count how many hours I have spent research= ing > that damn cpu, but it is way more than 10, prob more > like 50! The= only evidence for "rabbit" is some guy > once posted on linux-hacker that = "maybe" the RS in RSDRD > meant Rabbit Semi. He did not do any research to= > back up his speculation. But then I started getting > google hits on o= ther embedded system boards, where > idiots were posting that it WAS a rabb= it part. But the > only research *they* did was to skim linux-hacker board= . > > It's scary how easy rumor turns to fact on the net. > > Now, I spen= t quite a bit of my time looking at the > rabbit parts, and came to conclus= ion only similarity > was z80 code. And then a year or two later some assh= ole > posts that he checked, and some pins lined up with > something or oth= er on a rabbit part. So I spent an > hour or so once again, seeing if I h= ad missed something. > > And the conclusion I came to was it was too bad >= that they let just anybody post stuff on the net. > > It really is odd ho= w some people will just throw > guesses out, as if they had some inside kno= wledge, > as if that is somehow advancing the effort. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 22573 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2010 00:20:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2010 00:20:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2010 00:20:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2010 00:17:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2010 00:17:02 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 00:17:01 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "FyberOptic" Subject: Re: Mailstation CPU revisited X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=427034928; y=8UCt27VSiHWDpUm5XBBaYuI0LcFfdBjLW4pnMtJppptSI99ppGVxbLc X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 1031 Lines: 33 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "lwoodzw" wrote: > = > Hah -- someone just asked me today if I had ever heard of the "RSDRD" so = I went to look it up... and found this post. > > As someone who has worke= d on the processor designs for Rabbit Semiconductor since 1999, I can _guar= antee_ you that the MailStation CPU is not a Rabbit processor :v) > > = -Lynn I've gotta give props to you folks at Rabbit, because it was in fa= ct me who emailed earlier to ask about it! Not only did I not expect such = a quick response via email, but I didn't expect to have the question passed= on to someone who was involved in ASIC design there. So many companies th= ese days give you unhelpful stock responses to everything, so it's a pleasa= nt surprise when you find one which actually takes the time to try and help= . I certainly appreciated it. I was going to actually mention here about = the response I got via email and how you guys had tried to help, but I thin= k this takes care of that! From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 45646 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2010 01:52:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2010 01:52:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2010 01:52:49 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2010 01:48:22 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2010 01:48:22 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 01:48:20 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "FyberOptic" Subject: Re: Mailstation CPU revisited X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=427034928; y=Fukphhin5Vzq9D0i-Ajpqb3kmN-UqaxPd6QgDpzFNBdZ-7QBZOIyxd4 X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 10848 Lines: 340 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "cyranojones_lalp" wrote: > > > Port #0D: CPU clock rate. Resets to 8MHz. > #f0=3D= 8MHz > #30=3D10MHz > #00=3D12MHz. > (might be bits 4 & 6 only. bits 0-3= dontcare or somthinelse) > > I would guess that since 0 sets clock to ~12= MHz, that > the undivided clock is ~12 MHz. Some of the Z80 microcontroll= ers have a divider as well as multiplier. Usually just 2x on the latter. = I wonder if one of the upper four bits enables that, combined with the divi= der value? If you had 12 * 2, then divided by 3, you'd get 8 (going by the= rounded-off mhz values listed above, that is). I mention that since the a= ssumed 8mhz speed is the only one listed which sets bit 7. Not that that m= eans anything at this point, but it's worth pointing out. Many times divid= ers are even numbers, so I dunno. Not that it's hard to do odd, though. O= nly takes a couple flip-flops to divide by 3. In my tinkering before, I fo= und that setting bits 0-2 made the Mailstation run noticeably slower. I do= n't remember what method I used to determine this, nor would you ever reall= y know if it was the CPU speed causing it, or maybe repeated interrupts (li= ke a watchdog timer or something) bringing it to a crawl (by running the in= terrupt routine), or what. It'd take more research, which I'll get to one = of these days I guess! > Or I should say, I started to reply, but I wen= t to bed > in middle, and by next day there was new message that > I start= ed to reply to... I think 3 or 4 unfinished > replies to your posts got e= aten when sdl locked up > X windows. > I copy/paste the reply text into m= y text editor and type my response there. I think I've actually lost some = responses to this group before myself. Between possible browser crashes, p= ower outages, or whatever crazy event might take place, I'd rather just typ= e it once, since obviously some of these posts can be rather long. > > = He was talking about an article that was on zilog's > website, but it has = been gone for years. Fortunately, a lot > of what has EVER been on the we= b is available FOREVER > thanks to The Wayback Machine. > I've tried t= o see what was once on that badcluster.ar website via the Wayback Machine, = but never had any luck. I've always wondered what Mailstation info might h= ave been posted there. > > I don't have those myself, but I have foun= d I rarely needed > more than rat-shack meters,and a logic probe. And the = logic > probe is indispensable IMO. I don't have the logic probe, but it m= ight be worth spending money on sometime, since they can apparently differe= ntiate between active and pulsing. That would be handy, rather than the po= or man's method of sticking a meter on it. > > I am ready to jump to co= nclusion it is 12.2 MHz. > > The only one I have handy (already opened up)= has > at x101 "122AS99". x102 is the smaller, and I assume > it is the rt= c xtal (yes, datasheet in file area sez > the one connected to cpu pins 126= & 127 is rtc) has > no number that I can see. > I thought the post was h= ere, but apparently it was an actual email response and not just a Yahoo gr= oup notification. Anyhow, a fellow named Steve has tested the crystals wit= h his scope. I haven't seen him post here before, but the info is certainl= y appreciated! Here's what he found: I just checked the crystals in my Ci= dco DET1-01 with my scope. X101: 122AS96 12.2MHz X102: 32.8kHz X601: turned= off (for modem?) > The modem xtal x601 sez "524AP99" and I recall 52 MHz= > was... ok I'll pull up datasheet, the datasheet sez > that the xtal is o= ne of 28.224 MHz, 52.416 MHz, > or 56.448 MHz, depending on chip version. = I can't > find correlation between numbers on chip and datasheet, > but, o= nce again, I am ready to jump to conclusion > that the 524 stamped on my xt= al means 52.4 MHz, > and therefore my modem chip is the 52 MHz, uh > 52.416= MHz version. I looked up how to know which chip needed which crystal befo= re, but danged if I can remember now. My modem crystal is "524AS97" It's = worth pointing out that the chip in my Mailstation is the "SP" variety, whi= ch means it has speakerphone capability. Seems kind of a waste, because I'= m fairly sure there's no microphone. > > I am also gonna jump to conclus= ion that the 99 in > the xtal numbers means they were made in 1999, > coz t= hat's just the kind of guy I am, always jumping > to conclusions! That, a= nd I know that they often stamp > date codes on electronic parts. If that'= s the case, mine is from 97. And my CPU crystal would be from 98. Seems a= reasonable-enough conclusion for me! > > > I was going to test it with = software, but then I came upon another realization. What if the clock cycl= es for this chip aren't the same as the Z80? Various Z80 microcontroller v= ersions I've seen tend to need less clock cycles per instruction. So this = would seem to make testing either the CPU speed or instruction timing via s= oftware impossible without knowing one or the other. > > > I also have wo= ndered about that, but I see no evidence of > it, and plenty of evidence po= ints to normal z80. > Well now that it's pretty much certain to be 12.2mh= z, I think it should be easy now to deduce opcode timing to ensure that it = uses the traditional speeds. It's just another one of those "whenever I ge= t around to it" things! > On a related idea, I noticed that the c code = uses very few > op-codes. The page 00 code uses some z80 opcodes, such as = > indexed addressing mode, but it is also not as obviously > c compiler gen= erated, as the higher pages all seem to be. > > I don't believe any higher= pages ever use index regs. > > So, I wonder if maybe they used just 8080 = opcodes, and the > compiler was really an 8080 compiler? > > It really doe= s not matter, though! And I am not gonna > take a lot of my time to check= it out. I've also noticed that some seems to be actual assembly and other= code seems much more generated. Though for curiosity's sake I went and to= ok a peek at your 8080 assumption, and you may be right. There's lots if u= se of the index registers throughout the later pages (as seen when I do a g= rep for it), but when I actually took a quick look at where some of them we= re, they didn't appear in functions which started out being "localized". S= o they may very well have used an 8080 C compiler. That, or never turned o= n Z80 extensions for whatever they used. This is related to why I wanted t= o check for sure on Z180 support. I thought they might have just written t= he OS with a Z80-based compiler, which would have been why no Z180 opcodes = were ever found in it. But apparently that's not the case, unfortunately. = I sure would like having those multiplication instructions! > I can't c= ount how many hours I have spent researching > that damn cpu, but it is way= more than 10, prob more > like 50! I've done a little digging on a few= occasions, though not nearly as much as you apparently, but without any lu= ck. But I sent Rabbit an email today, and it turns out they weren't involv= ed (as witnessed by one of their own responding here too, even!), so I thin= k we put that assumption to rest. I thought about contacting Zilog too, ev= en, but I have a feeling I won't have as much luck with an answer as I did = with Rabbit. > > I HIGHLY doubt it. If it really was a standard part, i= t might, > but my hunch is that it is a semi-custom asic, made on > a plain= old gate array, that just did not have the capability > to create flash ce= lls from the gates. Almost anyone (with > the right skills) who is willing= to buy in the quantity > necessary to justify the up-front engineering cos= ts, can > order up a semi-custom asic. And I am not talking about > CPLD's= , I mean the kind where the gates are connected up > in the final metalizat= ion layers of the production process. > Well you seem to know way more ab= out the production of that sort of stuff than me so I'll take your word for= it. It would make sense anyway, since as I mentioned before, those things= would have been a lot more expensive back then. It probably would have be= en cheaper to make a custom chip than to use a stock one with wasted resour= ces, especially considering the price of flash memory back then. That said= , I would love to get into CPLDs and such some day. Or hell even older thi= ngs like GAL chips for that matter. Problem with this sort of stuff for me= though is in the cost of the device programmers and all. But it'd sure be= nice to have a single chip taking care of all the address decoding for an = entire project! > I suspect that is the reason Parallax's "Propeller" > = CPU does not have flash onboard, but I am just guessing. > And in case anyo= ne is thinking of propagating that > as fact, I'll repeat: I AM JUST GUESSI= NG. So are you saying that's definitely the reason Parallax's chip doesn't= have flash onboard? ;) > > Right. I imagine there may be stuff in th= ere we will never know > about. All (or most) of my research into this ms= has been > exploring how it is used in the ms code. If they did not > use= a feature, I probably won't know about it. > > I know some peoples idea o= f how to hack the ms involved > (what I call crazy) ideas of keeping a data= base of all possible > key combos, and just brute force trying them!!!! > = > This is just insane, IMO. But I never liked the "search > for the hidden= rooms" aspect of games, such as Doom. I > mean, blowing the hell out of t= he bad guys is FUN, but > feeling around every nook and cranny to find hidd= en > rooms - B-O-R-I-N-G!!!!!! > > I'd sooner disassemble it, and find the= rooms that way. > That would actually be a lot more fun!!! > It takes al= l kinds, I always say. Those are the kinds of folks who would put bombs on= every bush and rock in Zelda trying to find secret passages. But as it tu= rned out, that kind of mindset wasn't a bad thing for something like that! = I always liked to find ways to "break" things, or rather to get them to do= what they're not supposed to. On the subject of video games, I remember t= rying forever to bust outside of the track in Stunt Race FX on SNES (if you= 've ever heard of it). For all I knew, it was impossible. But finally, on= e day, I found the perfect spot on one of the tracks to do it, by driving b= ackwards up one of the downward slopes and jumping/slamming into the invisi= ble barrier. I must have gone over a spot they didn't block off, but I got= past it either way. Of course, it was totally useless to drive around out= side the track, but you weren't supposed to be able to do it! From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 68840 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2010 02:50:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2010 02:50:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2010 02:50:39 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2010 02:50:38 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2010 02:50:38 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 02:50:38 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "FyberOptic" Subject: Re: Checksum Conundrum X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=427034928; y=-igyFDK7gTWxRHgRStampseGdsOcjHQ51TahwwdkMW_1nKR3gnk3Y1E X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 6789 Lines: 194 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "cyranojones_lalp" wrote: > > From the comments in Z80Debug.c: > > /*** This file conta= ins a simple single step debugger which is called ***/ > /*** when DEBU= G is #defined and Z80_Trace is true ***/ > > And i= t implements the function > > void Z80_Debug(Z80_Regs *R); > > that is p= rototyped in Z80.h. > > But I agree 110 percent that you need to create yo= ur own, coz this > one does not do what the comment says it does!!! > > Bu= t It DOES disassemble the instructions. It just does not stop, > it keeps = going, pouring out the disassembly from the point that you set > with the = trap var. Aha, you found out something I didn't even realize. I didn't = know it was capable of displaying the instruction in ascii. I'll have to a= dd this into my own debug function. The reason I never noticed this is bec= ause I never included z80debug.o when building msemu. Going by the makefil= e, it's not built into z80.o automatically. I'm sure if I included this ob= ject file in mine and commented out my debug function, I'd get the same res= ult as you. So the solution is to just dump including z80debug.o and write= your own version of the function. Or wait forever until I get around to r= eleasing another version, I suppose! > I tried redirecting to a file, an= d you don't know > what fun IS until you have tried to open a 1.5 gigabyte = text file! > When I was using libz80 and capturing all its disassembly ou= tput (along with my custom debug stuff too) to a file, I had me some fun ti= mes as well. Eventually I changed it to start outputting to a separate fil= e after hitting a certain keypress (this was before I had breakpoints or an= ything), which helped somewhat. But UltraEdit can handle big files relativ= ely well without keeling over, fortunately. I lost my ability to print o= ut disassembled code when switching to z80em, but now that you brought that= capability to my attention, I'll have to see about adding that in. I don'= t really need disassembled output at the moment, particularly after getting= a CPU library that's not full of bugs, but it could be handy to have later= . > > That is probably good enough, though. Particularly for the > 1= ms interrupt. But when is the 1 sec int happening???? > Is it stealing = one of the 1 ms ints on those cases???? > The Z80_Interrupt function is b= eing called 64 times a second (when z80em runs out of t-states to execute e= ach time). This function triggers the "keyboard" interrupt to the Mailstat= ion every time, as long as it's enabled in the interrupt mask (P3). Also i= nside the Z80_Interrupt function is a counter up to 64, at which point it t= riggers the 1-second "time16" interrupt (again, if enabled in the interrupt= mask). The "interrupts_active" variable acts as the value that the Mailst= ation gets when it reads P3. So at the end of the Z80_Interrupt function, = it checks if any of these device interrupts are currently active, and if so= , it causes the emulator to execute an actual cpu interrupt (which runs the= Mailstation's handler). I assume in the actual hardware that P3 is some= how also connected (OR'd) to the Mailstation's interrupt pin, so that's wha= t this simulates. If any bits of P3 aren't toggled during the interrupt, t= hen they will just cause an interrupt to happen again next time. Though it= won't happen immediately, as would happen on the hardware, I just realized= . But they'll happen at the next execution of Z80_Interrupt. I know tha= t they definitely happen in quick succession on the hardware, because I had= it happen in my interrupt hook before when I didn't toggle the bits in P3.= The interrupt just kept happening over and over. > What about other in= terrupts, like the ones you found for kbd & > power button???? I imagine 1= ms period is ok there too, but > it is not really an interrupt if it can o= nly happen at a particular > time. Not that it really matters. > > Per= haps it will do all the pending interrupts on each 1 ms beat??? > I'm not s= ure just how it is working now. > Only two of the hardware interrupts are= being emulated right now, as mentioned above. I didn't bother implementin= g the physical power button and keypress interrupts I found before, since t= he Mailstation software doesn't use them. I will at some point though, in = order to stay hardware-accurate. I was mostly concerned about getting the = firmware running properly first and foremost. In my current version though= I've been emulating the modem interrupt, because I actually have emulated = enough of the modem chip that the Mailstation starts sending ascii characte= rs to it. I've managed to get the initialization string to come through so= far. I now need to emulate the chip sending data back, to do an "OK" and = "CONNECT" and all when appropriate. I'd just like to get the modem emulate= d so that eventually my own Mailstation software can communicate with the P= C over that connection, freeing up the much more useful parallel port for o= ther capabilities. Like an SD card reader or something. > > > I just ne= ver assumed it was a dump issue, because usually whenever those happened it= threw the whole dump off (and then usually stopped just short of 100% of t= he total data). > > So, you are saying it happens often? ;^) Not often= I suppose, but my cable does run past various wires, including electrical,= so the potential for problems always exists in my case. > > I still ne= ed to get to the bottom of my checksum "anomally". > I an using the data fr= om the 253yr dump in file area, not my > actual 2.53yr mailstation. I prob= ably should get around to > making room to set up old pc, and dump actual c= ode. Or maybe > I need to figure out how to run it on Linux??? I can run = > it under a dos emulator (for what it's worth, that pegs cpu > at 100% to= o). But I don't know how hard it is to get access > to par port??? Maybe= if I run as root? heh heh heh! I've never done it personally under Lin= ux, but it does seem somewhat straightforward (permissions aside). I'm tem= pted to try it sometime just for curiosity's sake. Here's you a potentiall= y helpful resource which I've looked over before: http://www.faqs.org/docs= /Linux-mini/IO-Port-Programming.html I'd say if Linux is your OS of choice= these days then it's worth learning. Lots of things you can do with it ou= tside of just Mailstation-related, after all. I don't know if your origi= nal code is in C or not though, so that might make porting it over a little= more complicated. But the maildump utility I wrote is in C, if you ever w= ant it. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 98217 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2010 05:38:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2010 05:38:07 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-px0-f192.google.com) (209.85.216.192) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2010 05:38:07 -0000 X-Received: by pxi30 with SMTP id 30so1220240pxi.14 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:38:07 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.114.215.20 with SMTP id n20mr2618262wag.187.1264225087286; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:38:07 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: X-Received: from NewBaby (d66-183-36-222.bchsia.telus.net [66.183.36.222]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm2600018pzk.14.2010.01.22.21.38.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:38:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4749C4BCC634430E936EB63D46850610@NewBaby> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:16:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_023F_01CA9BA8.2F2C8BE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Mailstation CPU revisited X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=OV-G5rsugYGLWzbqDnPGEwhPBaSKP30vM2LNuEWaIU6tgmjtDA X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 3938 Lines: 111 ------=_NextPart_000_023F_01CA9BA8.2F2C8BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Possibly the original design was based on an 8080 and they didn't bother to= change it. Or their development system only emitted 8080 code. All the TR= S-80 computers used a Z80 but the BASIC code for the interpreters was 8080 = because that's what Microsoft's system emitted. Some I/O was done in Z-80 = because it was hand written. Neil From: FyberOptic I've also noticed t= hat some seems to be actual assembly and other code seems much more generat= ed. Though for curiosity's sake I went and took a peek at your 8080 assumpt= ion, and you may be right. There's lots if use of the index registers throu= ghout the later pages (as seen when I do a grep for it), but when I actuall= y took a quick look at where some of them were, they didn't appear in funct= ions which started out being "localized". So they may very well have used a= n 8080 C compiler. That, or never turned on Z80 extensions for whatever the= y used. This is related to why I wanted to check for sure on Z180 support.= I thought they might have just written the OS with a Z80-based compiler, w= hich would have been why no Z180 opcodes were ever found in it. But apparen= tly that's not the case, unfortunately. I sure would like having those mult= iplication instructions! ------=_NextPart_000_023F_01CA9BA8.2F2C8BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable = =
          Possibly the original design was based on an 8080 and they didn't b= other to change it. Or their development system only emitted 8080 code.
           
          All the TRS-80 computers used a Z80 but the BASIC co= de for the interpreters was 8080 because that's what Microsoft's system em= itted.
           
          Some I/O was done in Z-80 because it was han= d written.
           
          Neil

          From: FyberOptic

          I've also noticed that some seems to= be actual assembly and other code seems much more generated. Though for c= uriosity's sake I went and took a peek at your 8080 assumption, and you ma= y be right. There's lots if use of the index registers throughout the late= r pages (as seen when I do a grep for it), but when I actually took a quic= k look at where some of them were, they didn't appear in functions which s= tarted out being "localized". So they may very well have used an 8080 C co= mpiler. That, or never turned on Z80 extensions for whatever they used.
          This is related to why I wanted to check for sure on Z180 support. I = thought they might have just written the OS with a Z80-based compiler, whi= ch would have been why no Z180 opcodes were ever found in it. But apparent= ly that's not the case, unfortunately. I sure would like having those mult= iplication instructions!
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X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61745 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2010 08:39:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2010 08:39:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.102) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2010 08:39:20 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.49] by n6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2010 08:39:20 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by t2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2010 08:39:20 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2010 08:39:20 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:39:19 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "FyberOptic" Subject: Time to Update Your Datasheets X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=427034928; y=UkRgQ6PQxLlvgzUkl-m8sY8WyGgxlR7IaLaliqRU1BY_5NvQZEE6-XM X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 6038 Lines: 156 Go to http://www.fcc.gov/oet/ea/fccid/ Put "pqu" into the Grantee Code fie= ld. Search, hit Details on each result, and prepare to possibly shit pants= . For those who are impatient and want to know what I found, how does "s= chematic diagram" sound? It's detailed documents of two versions of the Ma= ilstation 250 and one of the Mailstation 350. Not only are there photos of= the hardware, but also photos of the circuit boards, and then the best par= t, full schematics. And oh yes they are full. For example, I now know tha= t the CPU crystal is 12.288mhz. And, even better, I know the labels of eve= ry CPU pin, including the unused ones. From there, I can see that it can a= ddress up to 8MB of memory. I can see that it has TX/RX serial pins. I ca= n see that it does indeed have an additional unused device selector. I can= see what is very likely an oscillator out pin, which could possibly be use= d to determine the frequency currently used by the CPU after going through = the divider. I can see that it has a whole 'nother unused 8-bit port. Man= y of the pin labels I simply don't know the purpose of at the moment, so wh= o knows what else is in there. And for the record, the 350 runs at 34.4mhz= . So, why only the 250 and 350? Good question. I'll start at the beginni= ng of my search and go from there in explaining what I learned. First, I w= ent in search of the FCC number on the back of my Mailstation: 1EBCHN-27372= -OT-E. Turns out, this wasn't a normal FCC ID. I didn't understand why it= was different from what they wanted. But regardless, I got nothing, so th= at was a dead-end. So, by happenstance I dropped it into Google before giv= ing up, and found some results. Nothing big, it looked like just some FCC = update notices of some kind. Stuff that looks like this: 648-CX-2001 = 8145386-5 NOTICE OF CHANGE NOT AFFECTING COMPLIANCE HAS BEEN FILE= D FOR THE FOLLOWING REG. NO.: 1EBCHN-27372-OT-E GRANTEE: = INVENTEC ELECTRONICS (NANJING) CO.,LTD. NATURE OF APPLICATION: EQUIPMENT= DESCRIPTION: E-MAIL TERMINAL MODEM DEVICE W/FAX WITH CALLER ID TRADE NAME= : CIDCO MODEL: FB DET1, DET1A, DET1B, DET2 I noticed the grantee name,= "Inventec Electronics." So, back to the FCC database with that. Many res= ults! But I started going through'em anyway, clicking Details, then one of= their external photos, just to see what it was. Didn't take long, but the= next thing I knew I was staring at the picture of a Mailstation, and I cou= ldn't believe the other files I found in there with it. Short of a datashe= et for the CPU, a schematic of the whole thing is the next best thing you c= ould have. So, curious of what else Mailstation-related I might find burie= d away in there (like perhaps the older models), I searched just for grante= es with that name, which you can do there on the left if you do an advanced= search. I got multiple results for Inventec Electronics. One of them was= listed as "Nanjing" though, which is in that text I pasted above that I fo= und on Google. It has the grantee code "PQU". And sure enough, putting ju= st that one into the search gives you only the Mailstation results. Just t= he three, though, unfortuantely. Eventually I found that the number on the= back of my Mailstation isn't an FCC ID. It's an FCC Registration Number, = which is different. The older Mailstation is classified under "Part 68" eq= uipment, which apparently means it doesn't need extensive testing, since it= 's just a telephone network device. However..! The Mailstation 250 and up= use wireless base stations to connect to their phone line. This means the= y're using frequency spectrum, which means they require a full-on FCC ID. = I probably could have saved myself a few steps if I owned a 250 or 350 and = had their FCC ID to begin with. But hey, whatever works. In any case, t= here is one interesting thing of note about the FCC registration number. T= he first three characters, 1EB, are this in their database: 1EB|INVENTEC E= LECTRONICS (MALYASIA)|37 ANSON RD|10400 PENANG||MALYASIA|||08/29/1989|D REG= INALD TIBBETTS|2151 CAMINO PABLO|MORAGA|CA|94556| So, as it turns out, Inv= entec is definitely who developed the Mailstation. Their name is on all of= the schematics as well. And a Google search shows their name in Cidco pre= ss releases/financial reports/whatever. But here's the really interesting = part: Inventec made a CPU for one of the TI calculators too, apparently. A= nyone who knows anything about those graphing calculators know that they us= ed Z80 CPUs for years. I found this in a Google search, of a guy asking fo= r information on a chip: --------- I'm in search of data for an Inventec = processor. The chip came from a TI-83+ graphing calculator as bares the tex= t: Inventec 6SI837 0A Japan 0216EAI PDARD F0254ZAA ...if it helps, this i= s a Z80-enabled CISC processor. I've tried googling and came up empty. Any = data on pinouts, or clocking data would be appreciated. --------- Notice = the similarity of the part number! The Mailstation's is 3SI176 0A. A Goog= le search on the 6SI one gives some results, but I found that I get other r= esults when I put in "6S1837". Somebody seems to have mistaken an I for a = 1. So, I emailed Inventec, and I guess we'll see if my email ever gets bey= ond the webmaster to anywhere that might possibly have information on the M= ailstation CPU. p.s. For anyone interested, here's the somewhat vague = at times patent application for what I'm almost certain is the Mailstation.= http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=3DPTO1&Sect2=3DHITOFF&d= =3DPALL&p=3D1&u=3D%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=3D1&f=3DG&l=3D50&s1=3D6= ,510,455.PN.&OS=3DPN/6,510,455&RS=3DPN/6,510,455 In case that link doesn't= work right, the patent # is 6,510,455. I almost debated posting anything = here, but I'm fairly sure none of it is illegal to do so, because it's publ= icly-accessible information. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jonk@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 65094 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2010 10:02:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2010 10:02:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO spaceymail-a7.g.dreamhost.com) (208.113.200.5) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2010 10:02:36 -0000 X-Received: from JonWork (pool-71-111-2-28.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.111.2.28]) by spaceymail-a7.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D091424D for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 02:02:36 -0800 (PST) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 02:02:36 -0800 Organization: Infinite Factors Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jon Kirwan Subject: Re: [mailstation] Time to Update Your Datasheets X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=323600762; y=X_h6iOSVLcbdeHXl4dAkUIgsfvX9w7h3-0OWvpsgXtP0nDy2-w X-Yahoo-Profile: jondkirwan Status: RO Content-Length: 556 Lines: 27 On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:39:19 -0000, you wrote: >Go to http://www.fcc.gov/o= et/ea/fccid/ > >Put "pqu" into the Grantee Code field. > >Search, hit Detai= ls on each result, and prepare to possibly shit pants. > Very nice a= nd thanks! I have a few 120's, 150's, and 250's laying about here. The 25= 0 schematics are going to be a help for those. I would certainly like to h= ave such info on the 120 and 150. Thanks again. I'm googling around, too.= But I suspect that I am finding nothing more than you've already uncovere= d already. Jon From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: bfayette@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 96060 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2010 13:29:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2010 13:29:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail2.dotsterhost.com) (72.5.54.127) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2010 13:29:30 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 7682 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2010 13:29:30 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.100?) (brad@...@[71.70.245.156]) by 72.5.54.127 with SMTP; 23 Jan 2010 13:29:29 -0000 Message-ID: <4B5AFA46.30501@...> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:31:50 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100120 Fedora/3.0.1-1.fc11 Thunderbird/3.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030605080900040603080506" X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Brad Fayette Subject: Re: [mailstation] Time to Update Your Datasheets X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=74264799; y=BdJIrFgsiL9ZaF-LNmN9aNTn9MyAyCzv5G1nEhof6RPCt71XQAA X-Yahoo-Profile: bradfayette Status: RO Content-Length: 13766 Lines: 310 --------------030605080900040603080506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit These devices are in the FCC database because they have radio transceivers. On 01/23/2010 03:39 AM, FyberOptic wrote: > > Go to http://www.fcc.gov/oet/ea/fccid/ > > Put "pqu" into the Grantee Code field. > > Search, hit Details on each result, and prepare to possibly shit pants. > > For those who are impatient and want to know what I found, how does > "schematic diagram" sound? > > It's detailed documents of two versions of the Mailstation 250 and one > of the Mailstation 350. Not only are there photos of the hardware, but > also photos of the circuit boards, and then the best part, full > schematics. And oh yes they are full. For example, I now know that the > CPU crystal is 12.288mhz. And, even better, I know the labels of every > CPU pin, including the unused ones. > > >From there, I can see that it can address up to 8MB of memory. I can > see that it has TX/RX serial pins. I can see that it does indeed have > an additional unused device selector. I can see what is very likely an > oscillator out pin, which could possibly be used to determine the > frequency currently used by the CPU after going through the divider. I > can see that it has a whole 'nother unused 8-bit port. Many of the pin > labels I simply don't know the purpose of at the moment, so who knows > what else is in there. > > And for the record, the 350 runs at 34.4mhz. > > So, why only the 250 and 350? Good question. I'll start at the > beginning of my search and go from there in explaining what I learned. > > First, I went in search of the FCC number on the back of my > Mailstation: 1EBCHN-27372-OT-E. Turns out, this wasn't a normal FCC > ID. I didn't understand why it was different from what they wanted. > But regardless, I got nothing, so that was a dead-end. So, by > happenstance I dropped it into Google before giving up, and found some > results. Nothing big, it looked like just some FCC update notices of > some kind. Stuff that looks like this: > > 648-CX-2001 8145386-5 > NOTICE OF CHANGE NOT AFFECTING COMPLIANCE > HAS BEEN FILED FOR THE FOLLOWING > REG. NO.: 1EBCHN-27372-OT-E > GRANTEE: INVENTEC ELECTRONICS (NANJING) CO.,LTD. > NATURE OF APPLICATION: > EQUIPMENT DESCRIPTION: E-MAIL TERMINAL MODEM DEVICE W/FAX WITH CALLER ID > TRADE NAME: CIDCO > MODEL: FB DET1, DET1A, DET1B, DET2 > > > I noticed the grantee name, "Inventec Electronics." So, back to the > FCC database with that. Many results! But I started going through'em > anyway, clicking Details, then one of their external photos, just to > see what it was. Didn't take long, but the next thing I knew I was > staring at the picture of a Mailstation, and I couldn't believe the > other files I found in there with it. Short of a datasheet for the > CPU, a schematic of the whole thing is the next best thing you could have. > > So, curious of what else Mailstation-related I might find buried away > in there (like perhaps the older models), I searched just for grantees > with that name, which you can do there on the left if you do an > advanced search. I got multiple results for Inventec Electronics. One > of them was listed as "Nanjing" though, which is in that text I pasted > above that I found on Google. It has the grantee code "PQU". And sure > enough, putting just that one into the search gives you only the > Mailstation results. Just the three, though, unfortuantely. > > Eventually I found that the number on the back of my Mailstation isn't > an FCC ID. It's an FCC Registration Number, which is different. The > older Mailstation is classified under "Part 68" equipment, which > apparently means it doesn't need extensive testing, since it's just a > telephone network device. However..! The Mailstation 250 and up use > wireless base stations to connect to their phone line. This means > they're using frequency spectrum, which means they require a full-on > FCC ID. I probably could have saved myself a few steps if I owned a > 250 or 350 and had their FCC ID to begin with. But hey, whatever works. > > In any case, there is one interesting thing of note about the FCC > registration number. The first three characters, 1EB, are this in > their database: > > 1EB|INVENTEC ELECTRONICS (MALYASIA)|37 ANSON RD|10400 > PENANG||MALYASIA|||08/29/1989|D REGINALD TIBBETTS|2151 CAMINO > PABLO|MORAGA|CA|94556| > > So, as it turns out, Inventec is definitely who developed the > Mailstation. Their name is on all of the schematics as well. And a > Google search shows their name in Cidco press releases/financial > reports/whatever. > > But here's the really interesting part: Inventec made a CPU for one of > the TI calculators too, apparently. Anyone who knows anything about > those graphing calculators know that they used Z80 CPUs for years. I > found this in a Google search, of a guy asking for information on a chip: > > --------- > > I'm in search of data for an Inventec processor. The chip came from a > TI-83+ graphing calculator as bares the text: > > Inventec > 6SI837 0A > Japan 0216EAI > PDARD > F0254ZAA > > ...if it helps, this is a Z80-enabled CISC processor. I've tried > googling and came up empty. Any data on pinouts, or clocking data > would be appreciated. > > --------- > > Notice the similarity of the part number! The Mailstation's is 3SI176 > 0A. A Google search on the 6SI one gives some results, but I found > that I get other results when I put in "6S1837". Somebody seems to > have mistaken an I for a 1. > > So, I emailed Inventec, and I guess we'll see if my email ever gets > beyond the webmaster to anywhere that might possibly have information > on the Mailstation CPU. > > p.s. For anyone interested, here's the somewhat vague at times patent > application for what I'm almost certain is the Mailstation. > > http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6,510,455.PN.&OS=PN/6,510,455&RS=PN/6,510,455 > > > In case that link doesn't work right, the patent # is 6,510,455. > > I almost debated posting anything here, but I'm fairly sure none of it > is illegal to do so, because it's publicly-accessible information. > > --------------030605080900040603080506 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit These devices are in the FCC database because they have radio transceivers.



          On 01/23/2010 03:39 AM, FyberOptic wrote:
           

          Go to http://www.fcc.gov/oet/ea/fccid/

          Put "pqu" into the Grantee Code field.

          Search, hit Details on each result, and prepare to possibly shit pants.

          For those who are impatient and want to know what I found, how does "schematic diagram" sound?

          It's detailed documents of two versions of the Mailstation 250 and one of the Mailstation 350. Not only are there photos of the hardware, but also photos of the circuit boards, and then the best part, full schematics. And oh yes they are full. For example, I now know that the CPU crystal is 12.288mhz. And, even better, I know the labels of every CPU pin, including the unused ones.

          >From there, I can see that it can address up to 8MB of memory. I can see that it has TX/RX serial pins. I can see that it does indeed have an additional unused device selector. I can see what is very likely an oscillator out pin, which could possibly be used to determine the frequency currently used by the CPU after going through the divider. I can see that it has a whole 'nother unused 8-bit port. Many of the pin labels I simply don't know the purpose of at the moment, so who knows what else is in there.

          And for the record, the 350 runs at 34.4mhz.

          So, why only the 250 and 350? Good question. I'll start at the beginning of my search and go from there in explaining what I learned.

          First, I went in search of the FCC number on the back of my Mailstation: 1EBCHN-27372-OT-E. Turns out, this wasn't a normal FCC ID. I didn't understand why it was different from what they wanted. But regardless, I got nothing, so that was a dead-end. So, by happenstance I dropped it into Google before giving up, and found some results. Nothing big, it looked like just some FCC update notices of some kind. Stuff that looks like this:

          648-CX-2001 8145386-5
          NOTICE OF CHANGE NOT AFFECTING COMPLIANCE
          HAS BEEN FILED FOR THE FOLLOWING
          REG. NO.: 1EBCHN-27372-OT-E
          GRANTEE: INVENTEC ELECTRONICS (NANJING) CO.,LTD.
          NATURE OF APPLICATION:
          EQUIPMENT DESCRIPTION: E-MAIL TERMINAL MODEM DEVICE W/FAX WITH CALLER ID
          TRADE NAME: CIDCO
          MODEL: FB DET1, DET1A, DET1B, DET2


          I noticed the grantee name, "Inventec Electronics." So, back to the FCC database with that. Many results! But I started going through'em anyway, clicking Details, then one of their external photos, just to see what it was. Didn't take long, but the next thing I knew I was staring at the picture of a Mailstation, and I couldn't believe the other files I found in there with it. Short of a datasheet for the CPU, a schematic of the whole thing is the next best thing you could have.

          So, curious of what else Mailstation-related I might find buried away in there (like perhaps the older models), I searched just for grantees with that name, which you can do there on the left if you do an advanced search. I got multiple results for Inventec Electronics. One of them was listed as "Nanjing" though, which is in that text I pasted above that I found on Google. It has the grantee code "PQU". And sure enough, putting just that one into the search gives you only the Mailstation results. Just the three, though, unfortuantely.

          Eventually I found that the number on the back of my Mailstation isn't an FCC ID. It's an FCC Registration Number, which is different. The older Mailstation is classified under "Part 68" equipment, which apparently means it doesn't need extensive testing, since it's just a telephone network device. However..! The Mailstation 250 and up use wireless base stations to connect to their phone line. This means they're using frequency spectrum, which means they require a full-on FCC ID. I probably could have saved myself a few steps if I owned a 250 or 350 and had their FCC ID to begin with. But hey, whatever works.

          In any case, there is one interesting thing of note about the FCC registration number. The first three characters, 1EB, are this in their database:

          1EB|INVENTEC ELECTRONICS (MALYASIA)|37 ANSON RD|10400 PENANG||MALYASIA|||08/29/1989|D REGINALD TIBBETTS|2151 CAMINO PABLO|MORAGA|CA|94556|

          So, as it turns out, Inventec is definitely who developed the Mailstation. Their name is on all of the schematics as well. And a Google search shows their name in Cidco press releases/financial reports/whatever.

          But here's the really interesting part: Inventec made a CPU for one of the TI calculators too, apparently. Anyone who knows anything about those graphing calculators know that they used Z80 CPUs for years. I found this in a Google search, of a guy asking for information on a chip:

          ---------

          I'm in search of data for an Inventec processor. The chip came from a TI-83+ graphing calculator as bares the text:

          Inventec
          6SI837 0A
          Japan 0216EAI
          PDARD
          F0254ZAA

          ...if it helps, this is a Z80-enabled CISC processor. I've tried googling and came up empty. Any data on pinouts, or clocking data would be appreciated.

          ---------

          Notice the similarity of the part number! The Mailstation's is 3SI176 0A. A Google search on the 6SI one gives some results, but I found that I get other results when I put in "6S1837". Somebody seems to have mistaken an I for a 1.

          So, I emailed Inventec, and I guess we'll see if my email ever gets beyond the webmaster to anywhere that might possibly have information on the Mailstation CPU.

          p.s. For anyone interested, here's the somewhat vague at times patent application for what I'm almost certain is the Mailstation.

          http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6,510,455.PN.&OS=PN/6,510,455&RS=PN/6,510,455

          In case that link doesn't work right, the patent # is 6,510,455.

          I almost debated posting anything here, but I'm fairly sure none of it is illegal to do so, because it's publicly-accessible information.


          --------------030605080900040603080506-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 18210 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2010 22:13:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2010 22:13:09 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2010 22:13:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2010 22:12:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2010 22:12:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:12:01 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "cyranojones_lalp" Subject: Re: Time to Update Your Datasheets X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=ykhLqwE2Jx6FxeXA6ZsaNoTXtgWw9v0pjtaodosNPVpJIG0m2q271YUBIQ X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1311 Lines: 67 --- FyberOptic wrote: Hey great! Now we know the functions of the pins th= at are not hooked to anything!!! ;^) The names they put on the used pins= don't seem as useful as the names I gave them, though. I googled the pin = names on unused pins 91 thru 94, [LP FP FR SCP] and got an interesting hi= t: http://www.google.com/patents?id=3D1gMfAAAAEBAJ&printsec=3Dabstract&zoo= m=3D4&source=3Dgbs_overview_r&cad=3D0#v=3Donepage&q=3D&f=3Dfalse patent nu= mber is 5448259 just in case. Seems likely there is a LCD controller in it= , but I can't say it is useful knowledge. But who knows? > I noticed the = grantee name, "Inventec Electronics." It has been known who made it for = a long time now: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/message/544= In addition to the ti calculators, they made the ipod = for apple. > But here's the really interesting part: I thought it= was interesting when I found it, too. ;^) > So, I email= ed Inventec, You speak Chinese? :-) Just kidding, they prolly have *som= eone* there who speaks English... right??? :-) :-) Wouldn't it be a ri= ot if they sent the datasheet. I never even thought to ask for it! CJ = From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63630 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2010 23:51:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2010 23:51:15 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.102) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2010 23:51:14 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.48] by n6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2010 23:51:08 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by t1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2010 23:51:08 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2010 23:51:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:51:08 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="8-5317351999-2237411445=:4" X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "cyranojones_lalp" Subject: Inventec X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=yhP_80hWK-YHmX6qE2rrsnC5fZpMofmxUf0Jz3i9ersldA3Pl_xhpFBbeg X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 937 Lines: 36 --8-5317351999-2237411445=:4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some info on Inventec: Where are ipods made = ? Insider trading at Inventec. CJ --8-5317351999-2237411445=:4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some info on Inventec:

          Where are ipods made?

          Insider trad= ing at Inventec.

          CJ



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X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 43383 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2010 00:14:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2010 00:14:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2010 00:14:20 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2010 00:13:58 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2010 00:13:58 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:13:58 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "FyberOptic" Subject: Re: Time to Update Your Datasheets X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=427034928; y=purPRYN1Np3EE1o_-2TabI5WoNLjWV7cPGzf5W9zUvLr3KjSmX82jfw X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 1024 Lines: 37 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, Jon Kirwan wrote: > > Very= nice and thanks! I have a few 120's, 150's, and 250's > laying about here= . The 250 schematics are going to be a help > for those. I would certainl= y like to have such info on the > 120 and 150. > Somebody will have to co= rrect me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know, the 250 and under are all prac= tically identical in terms of guts (aside from the wireless capability), wh= ich would make the schematics fairly useful even for the older models. It = all looks very similar to my DET1 from what I've gone over so far. The CPU= is likely identical in any case, which was the biggest thing I was after i= n terms of info. But a full schematic is nice too! > Thanks again. I'm= googling around, too. But I suspect that > I am finding nothing more than= you've already uncovered > already. > Doesn't hurt to look. Sometimes a= random search can put you on a certain track, which is how I found that st= uff to begin with. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jonk@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 70743 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2010 00:24:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2010 00:24:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO spaceymail-a4.g.dreamhost.com) (208.113.200.5) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2010 00:24:26 -0000 X-Received: from JonWork (pool-71-111-2-28.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.111.2.28]) by spaceymail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ECC2F610C for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:24:25 -0800 (PST) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:24:25 -0800 Organization: Infinite Factors Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jon Kirwan Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Time to Update Your Datasheets X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=323600762; y=q2CZ-hEVavE81BESz2YswHgcRmfgvy-zT0LS6_dLp-kCFPutWQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jondkirwan Status: RO Content-Length: 1458 Lines: 56 On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:13:58 -0000, you wrote: >--- In mailstation@yahoogr= oups.com, Jon Kirwan wrote: >> >> Very nice and thanks! I have = a few 120's, 150's, and 250's >> laying about here. The 250 schematics are= going to be a help >> for those. I would certainly like to have such info= on the >> 120 and 150. > > Somebody will have to correct me if I'm wrong, = but as far as > I know, the 250 and under are all practically identical in = > terms of guts (aside from the wireless capability), which > would make th= e schematics fairly useful even for the older > models. It all looks very = similar to my DET1 from what I've > gone over so far. The CPU is likely id= entical in any case, > which was the biggest thing I was after in terms of = info. > But a full schematic is nice too! I don't see the LCD display pre= sented on the schematics, though I suppose the connectors I see probably su= ffice. >> Thanks again. I'm googling around, too. But I suspect that >> = I am finding nothing more than you've already uncovered >> already. > > Doe= sn't hurt to look. Sometimes a random search can put you > on a certain tr= ack, which is how I found that stuff to begin > with. Yes. One never know= s. And not just google, I suppose. There are a lot of different engines ar= ound and some of the web spiders are better at some things than others. In= any case, thanks for what you found already. Big help, I think. Jon From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic@... 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Now we know the functions of the pins that a= re > not hooked to anything!!! ;^) > I'd have to look at the insides ag= ain to see just how tiny those pins were (they always seem bigger in my hea= d), but now that we know for sure that there's a sixth device select, it mi= ght be pretty neat to take advantage of it. Something like compact flash c= omes to mind, since the data and address lines would be easy to tap into fr= om the eyelets on the board. > The names they put on the used pins don't= seem as useful as the > names I gave them, though. > > I googled the pin = names on unused pins 91 thru 94, > [LP FP FR SCP] and got an interesting = hit: > > http://www.google.com/patents?id=3D1gMfAAAAEBAJ&printsec=3Dabstra= ct&zoom=3D4&source=3Dgbs_overview_r&cad=3D0#v=3Donepage&q=3D&f=3Dfalse > >= patent number is 5448259 just in case. > > Seems likely there is a LCD co= ntroller in it, but I > can't say it is useful knowledge. But who knows? = Ah nice, I was wondering about those, and have been doing some poking aroun= d myself for possible matches. I dismissed a possible LCD at first, but af= ter seeing that patent, I think it seems a little too similar to be a coinc= idence. I'm thinking BZCLK might be a buzzer? The 350 has a buzzer connec= tion for whatever reason. I don't know how that's used since I've never us= ed that model before. But I'm assuming one of the ports would set the freq= uency coming out of BZCLK. Could be neat to have. A clever programmer cou= ld probably manage music of some kind out of there. Looks like there's an = unused interrupt available too. There's three bits unaccounted for on P3, = so it's surely one of those. All I've ever really known about the 350's g= uts is that it "has a different cpu". I never looked into it further than = that since I don't have one. I just didn't realize how different it was. = This thing is 16-bit based on the data lines coming out of it. It also see= ms to have two identical sized pieces of flash (which I'm sure 350 owners w= ho have opened theirs already know), which at first you would think is a go= od thing, but the sector size seems to be 4KB. Not quite as easy to work w= ith at the 256-byte sectors of the old model dataflash. At least it has mo= re ram for holding temporary sectors. And who knows how much the CPU can a= ddress at one time. I'd love to know what CPU architecture it's based on, = for curiosity's sake if nothing else. One other tidbit I found out is fro= m a trademark search. Apparently Cidco also registered "Surfstation". = From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35912 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2010 03:26:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2010 03:26:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2010 03:26:43 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2010 03:23:36 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2010 03:23:36 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 03:23:36 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "FyberOptic" Subject: Re: Time to Update Your Datasheets X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=427034928; y=SpRzrxhl9Yjwog7kNpqG4uUZEeILRuuRcYP4FW5-aHU4ZR6Sa0DA0QM X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 955 Lines: 42 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, Jon Kirwan wrote: > > I= don't see the LCD display presented on the schematics, > though I suppose = the connectors I see probably suffice. > I noticed that, even though the = 350 schematics includes both the LCD and the keyboard matrix. So maybe the= y're not quite as "full" as I originally implied. But fortunately, we alre= ady know the keyboard and LCD! http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstat= ion/files/part%20files/mailstation_LCD.doc http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/gr= oup/mailstation/files/part%20files/mailstation_keyboard.html > > In any= case, thanks for what you found already. Big help, I > think. > No prob= lem, I'm just glad to contribute. I was late to the Mailstation game and l= ack certain tools to be of more help on the hardware testing side, but I st= ill try to see what I can muster up once in a while in other areas. Good l= earning experience, too! From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82401 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2010 06:24:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2010 06:24:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.102) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2010 06:24:35 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.238] by n6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2010 06:21:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by t3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2010 06:21:31 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2010 06:21:31 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 06:21:28 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "FyberOptic" Subject: Re: Inventec X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=427034928; y=YadfJYneqMxwy5e_KAca83Dc2uB-arQFPl0w3eT4qBjVuoJkeqFqR8s X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 1072 Lines: 36 I remembered the old half-working Avigo PDA I had stashed away supposedly h= aving a Z80 CPU, and it was made my Texas Instruments, so I thought that I'= d just take a look to see if it too might have ended up with an Inventec CP= U. Turns out, the answer is yep! I took a photo, but then when searching = for the CPU I found this, which is much better quality than mine: http://w= ww.datamath.org/Personal/JPEG_Avigo10.htm#ASIC It's a 6SI117. Memory map = look familiar? $0000 - $3FFF System ROM region $4000 - $7FFF ROM bank acc= ess region $8000 - $BFFF RAM bank access region $C000 - $FFFF System RA= M region It has 1MB of Flash, 128KB of RAM. 240x160 LCD. Even though it = has an FCC ID (DGI-PDA100) it doesn't exist in the database. DGI is anothe= r ID for Inventec and all, though. Unfortunately none of their earlier sub= missions have any files, so even if it's there with another ID, I wouldn't = know it. I think if we could find the datasheet or information on ANY of t= he other Inventec CPUs, it would be useful for the Mailstation too. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24835 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2010 07:59:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2010 07:59:50 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2010 07:59:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2010 07:59:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2010 07:59:50 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 07:59:49 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "FyberOptic" Subject: Re: Inventec X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=427034928; y=t7r7x6NFmjjeloXCNzH9Odn1ahZUaYvA579kglS1r4oEyluxmYFKS30 X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 1976 Lines: 63 Did some Avigo research. Lookee what I came across: http://home.eart= hlink.net/~rdgill/avigo/#I/O%20Ports Not only does this possibly indicate = the Mailstation does have a buzzer pin as I previously assumed, but it show= s the possible ports to use the onboard serial pins. But most importantly,= look at the RTC ports! They say that version of the CPU uses a TC8521 for= the RTC. http://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/32098/TOSHIBA/TC= 8521AM/+22188uOlPGHwwcVhDCvYIV+/datasheet.pdf A 4-bit Toshiba real-time cl= ock, which just so happens to have a 1hz and 16hz timer, as well as alarm. = We know the Mailstation has a 1hz interrupt, but from my deductions, the o= ther was 64hz. Then again, since they built this directly into the CPU, th= ey could have modified the divider, or more likely based on what we've seen= , run it through a user-changeable divider (port $2F maybe??). I found m= any other 4-bit RTC chips which did have a 64hz alternate timer, and others= with a 1024hz one (much more divideable), so who knows what they actually = used in the Mailstation version of the CPU. All I know is that the port ad= dresses seem to match up perfectly for the one I linked, compared to the ot= hers I looked at, so that's a good start. I want to try accessing that bit= of ram on pages 2 and 3 of its address space sometime, just to confirm it'= s there. Here's a snippet I took from the disassembly before of it setting= up the RTC at one point. Now we have an idea of what it's doing, based on= the datasheet: xor a set 2, a out (#1d), a ld a, #0e out (#1f), a ld a, = #0c out (#1f), a Avigo aside, this might also potentially be helpful, i= ndirectly: http://www.michaelv.org/programs/calcs/ports/ This is for a TI= -83 calculator. The interesting parts are the CPU speed and timer ports. = Some info might be able to be derived from them, since they might be simila= r in function, just not directly applicable. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 64542 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2010 16:07:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2010 16:07:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.100) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2010 16:07:56 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.238] by n4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2010 16:07:15 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by t3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2010 16:07:15 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2010 16:07:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:07:15 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "cyranojones_lalp" Subject: New theory on CPU speed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=JeIeYIYtntKSRUFckO6IL4_E7fi06_N6kdpJGyptBijb7EoOD-BeHauEJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1531 Lines: 69 Since the topic of clock speed came up a few days ago, I have been wonderin= g about it myself. I never was very happy with the idea that the cpu was r= unning at 8, 10, or 12 MHz, because (for one reason) I did not see any poin= t to it. IOW, if the cpu can run at 12 MHz, why not run it at 12 MHz? A= t first I thought the lower speed might be for the sake of power-dissipati= on. (Assuming it is a CMOS cpu, since power dissipation in CMOS is essent= ially directly proportional to clock speed). But, since cpu goes to sleep= when there is nothing to do, and it would be awake for shorter periods at = 12 MHz, the power dissipation would be essentially the same at any of the 3= speeds. Another reason I was uncomfortable with 8/10/12 speeds is that AF= AIK it is quite difficult to divide by 1.2 or 1.5, as opposed to dividing b= y an integer. But there is one really good reason to run a cpu slower: m= emory access time! But if that is the reason, rather than slow the whole = cpu down, it makes A LOT more sense to slow just the memory-access cycles = with wait-states. So, perhaps port 0x0d is just setting the number of wai= t states? I have not researched this idea very far, but perhaps the appare= nt speeds of "10 & 8 MHz" are accomplished as "1 or 2 wait-states"? This s= eems much more plausible than dividing the actual clock by non-integer amou= nt. It is also possible that they allow setting different wait-states for = various devices (codeflash, dataflash, RAM, LCD, modem). CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61884 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2010 19:52:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jan 2010 19:52:44 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2010 19:52:44 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2010 19:52:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2010 19:52:35 -0000 Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:52:33 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="5-9763468063-1337547380=:3" X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "FyberOptic" Subject: Mailstation CP/M X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=427034928; y=b1j_dKJVoT8bO0eGkbc_O_P3OrEUvk1onc4MIlqCLMtcAGEuERenh-w X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 11364 Lines: 288 --5-9763468063-1337547380=:3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yep, that's Zork 1! So, how is it working? Basically, I (mostly) c= ompleted my CP/M BIOS module, finally emulating a floppy disk with the data= flash. This is the same BIOS code that I was using for the core of FyOS be= fore, btw, though just mostly for the console I/O at the time. Except now = I'm using the real CP/M BDOS v2.2 with it, because I thought that would be = the easiest way to ensure my BIOS module was working properly. I have no co= mmand processor at the moment, but I didn't need one. I just wanted to dire= ctly load this one program to see if it worked. And it does. Kinda. Ther= e's still limitations. First is the obvious, with the text display I'm gen= erating only supporting 40 x 16 characters. Zork likely expects an 80 char= acter display, and I would bet other CP/M apps would as well. Second, my B= IOS still can't write to "disk". This was partially due to the fact that I= wasn't even sure my read routine was going to work properly. Which it did= , and only needed one little fix, surpisingly. I'm hoping it won't be much= effort to do the reverse now for writing. Originally I wanted to go to th= e trouble of some kind of smart system which would cycle the dataflash sect= ors to increase their lifetime, but then I decided a.) it was too much work= , and b.) if the Mailstation folks were too lazy to do it, then why should = I? For those who may have not followed some of the other work I've done ar= ound here in the past, then you should know that this is only possible due = to a hardware mod I made to my Mailstation. I've replicated this functiona= lity in my current test build of the emulator. Basically, I added in a cir= cuit to allow the lower 16KB of address space to be swapped from codeflash = to RAM. Normally the first 16KB of codeflash is permanently in that spot. = My toggle lets me put in the second page of RAM (since the first page is p= ermanently in the uppermost 16KB of address space). This is necessary in o= rder to run CP/M and its applications natively. As for the "disk", I took = a bit of a clever approach. My #1 requirement was that it couldn't disrupt= the normal functionality of the Mailstation, and oppositely, the Mailstati= on's normal functionality couldn't disrupt it. I am in fact still running = the Mailstation firmware at power-up, after all. So, what I did was take a= dvantage of all the available app space. Which is apparently 128KB worth. = This meant that nothing which the Mailstation firmware did should mess up = my disk image, and nothing my disk image did should mess up Mailstation set= tings. The virtual disk has 256-byte sectors (to match the dataflash), 16 = sectors per track, and 32 tracks. That makes each track 4KB. I reserved 4= tracks for system use, which is 16KB, which is conveniently the same size = as a dataflash page. This means the system tracks can be used as a normal = Mailstation app. And this is exactly how I used them, placing a loader app= to put the BDOS + BIOS into upper memory, which then executes the BIOS col= d boot procedure. Since I wanted to support any version of BDOS that might= be attached to this BIOS at some point, I decided to handle deblocking int= ernally. This means that as far as CP/M knows, the disk actually uses 32 1= 28-byte sectors per track. 128 was the common size, and even in the later = versions is still the size of things like the DMA and BDOS read routines us= e from what I understand. Regardless of CP/M version, the disk is configur= ed to use 64 directory entries, using a 1KB block size. I wrote a utility = on the PC to generate this disk as a 128KB file, using a separate text file= to determine what files should be inserted into the disk (calculating exte= nts, writing the directory entries, all the crap necessary for CP/M disks).= That disk image file can then just be dumped into the dataflash.bin that = my emulator uses. Since the first 16KB acts as a standalone Mailstation ap= p, you can simply launch the OS from the Mailstation menu like you would an= y other 3rd-party app. The fact that you're seeing the game text on the sc= reen shows that it is indeed properly reading files from the virtual disk, = because zork1.com loads all of that from zork1.dat. That's part of why I w= anted to use it as a test. The executable was small, and I knew what to ex= pect from it. I haven't tried this on the Mailstation hardware yet, mostly= due to the fact that it will erase my loader app. Before I go writing any= thing into my datflash, I'm going to wait until I have both a command proce= ssor and a standalone loader utility which I can run from there. But I hav= e no reason to think it wouldn't run, because the disk routine is the only = new part. All the console I/O functions have been run on the hardware befo= re. I'd still like to finish my own original BDOS code, since I think it's= still technically stealing to use this one even though it's 30 years old. = But then again, it's probably stealing to be using this copy of Zork too. = And my BIOS module is currently using a ripped out version of the Mailstat= ion's keyboard routines, as well as the original CGA font (which I'm sure i= s copyrighted or something). Oh well! Anyhoo, this is turning into a huge= post, but my work is finally coming along into something I can actually sh= ow results from, so I thought I'd share what I have so far! --5-9763468063-1337547380=:3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


          Yep, that's Zork 1!

          So, how is it working? B= asically, I (mostly) completed my CP/M BIOS module, finally emulating a flo= ppy disk with the dataflash. This is the same BIOS code that I was using f= or the core of FyOS before, btw, though just mostly for the console I/O at = the time. Except now I'm using the real CP/M BDOS v2.2 with it, because I = thought that would be the easiest way to ensure my BIOS module was working = properly. I have no command processor at the moment, but I didn't need one.= I just wanted to directly load this one program to see if it worked. And = it does. Kinda.

          There's still limitations. First is the obvious, = with the text display I'm generating only supporting 40 x 16 characters. Z= ork likely expects an 80 character display, and I would bet other CP/M apps= would as well. Second, my BIOS still can't write to "disk". This was par= tially due to the fact that I wasn't even sure my read routine was going to= work properly. Which it did, and only needed one little fix, surpisingly.= I'm hoping it won't be much effort to do the reverse now for writing. Or= iginally I wanted to go to the trouble of some kind of smart system which w= ould cycle the dataflash sectors to increase their lifetime, but then I dec= ided a.) it was too much work, and b.) if the Mailstation folks were too la= zy to do it, then why should I?

          For those who may have not followed= some of the other work I've done around here in the past, then you should = know that this is only possible due to a hardware mod I made to my Mailstat= ion. I've replicated this functionality in my current test build of the em= ulator. Basically, I added in a circuit to allow the lower 16KB of address= space to be swapped from codeflash to RAM. Normally the first 16KB of cod= eflash is permanently in that spot. My toggle lets me put in the second pa= ge of RAM (since the first page is permanently in the uppermost 16KB of add= ress space). This is necessary in order to run CP/M and its applications n= atively.

          As for the "disk", I took a bit of a clever approach. My = #1 requirement was that it couldn't disrupt the normal functionality of the= Mailstation, and oppositely, the Mailstation's normal functionality couldn= 't disrupt it. I am in fact still running the Mailstation firmware at powe= r-up, after all. So, what I did was take advantage of all the available ap= p space. Which is apparently 128KB worth. This meant that nothing which t= he Mailstation firmware did should mess up my disk image, and nothing my di= sk image did should mess up Mailstation settings.

          The virtual disk = has 256-byte sectors (to match the dataflash), 16 sectors per track, and 32= tracks. That makes each track 4KB. I reserved 4 tracks for system use, w= hich is 16KB, which is conveniently the same size as a dataflash page. Thi= s means the system tracks can be used as a normal Mailstation app. And thi= s is exactly how I used them, placing a loader app to put the BDOS + BIOS i= nto upper memory, which then executes the BIOS cold boot procedure.

          Since I wanted to support any version of BDOS that might be attached to th= is BIOS at some point, I decided to handle deblocking internally. This mea= ns that as far as CP/M knows, the disk actually uses 32 128-byte sectors pe= r track. 128 was the common size, and even in the later versions is still = the size of things like the DMA and BDOS read routines use from what I unde= rstand.

          Regardless of CP/M version, the disk is configured to use 6= 4 directory entries, using a 1KB block size.

          I wrote a utility on t= he PC to generate this disk as a 128KB file, using a separate text file to = determine what files should be inserted into the disk (calculating extents,= writing the directory entries, all the crap necessary for CP/M disks). Th= at disk image file can then just be dumped into the dataflash.bin that my e= mulator uses. Since the first 16KB acts as a standalone Mailstation app, y= ou can simply launch the OS from the Mailstation menu like you would any ot= her 3rd-party app.

          The fact that you're seeing the game text on the= screen shows that it is indeed properly reading files from the virtual dis= k, because zork1.com loads all of that from zork1.dat. That's part of why = I wanted to use it as a test. The executable was small, and I knew what to= expect from it.

          I haven't tried this on the Mailstation hardware y= et, mostly due to the fact that it will erase my loader app. Before I go w= riting anything into my datflash, I'm going to wait until I have both a com= mand processor and a standalone loader utility which I can run from there. = But I have no reason to think it wouldn't run, because the disk routine is= the only new part. All the console I/O functions have been run on the har= dware before.

          I'd still like to finish my own original BDOS code, s= ince I think it's still technically stealing to use this one even though it= 's 30 years old. But then again, it's probably stealing to be using this c= opy of Zork too. And my BIOS module is currently using a ripped out versio= n of the Mailstation's keyboard routines, as well as the original CGA font = (which I'm sure is copyrighted or something). Oh well!

          Anyhoo, thi= s is turning into a huge post, but my work is finally coming along into som= ething I can actually show results from, so I thought I'd share what I have= so far!

          --5-9763468063-1337547380=:3-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ethan.dicks@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 71534 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2010 16:51:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Feb 2010 16:51:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-yw0-f179.google.com) (209.85.211.179) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2010 16:51:26 -0000 X-Received: by ywh9 with SMTP id 9so4567995ywh.19 for ; Mon, 01 Feb 2010 08:51:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.150.252.4 with SMTP id z4mr6402473ybh.295.1265043085940; Mon, 01 Feb 2010 08:51:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 11:51:25 -0500 Message-ID: To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Ethan Dicks Subject: Re: [mailstation] Mailstation CP/M X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=244603944; y=SsBgMOJY1rlPT93AhXnUFh5VITekzPC4BMyyyolo9zhEuDM X-Yahoo-Profile: erd_6502 Status: RO Content-Length: 2012 Lines: 44 On 1/31/10, FyberOptic wrote: > > Yep, that's Zork 1! Well done! > There's still limitations. First is the obvious, with the text display > I'm generating only supporting 40 x 16 characters. Zork likely expects > an 80 character display, and I would bet other CP/M apps would as well.... There are versions of the CP/M Z-machine floating around (I found them in one of the massive repositories a couple of years back) that came with an Infocom-written customizer front-end. You might look for CP/M Zork or Starcross or Planetfall that happen to have a .ASM file included beyond just the usual .COM and .DAT file. They mostly let you select your terminal type (ADM3, VT100, etc), but there might be something in there for screen size. Overall, though, Infocom did support 40 column machines (Apple II, C-64, etc.) It's up to the Z-machine where to wrap, etc. The appearance of the status line depends on matching up the column width, and there is at least one puzzle clue that I know of that is easy to spot with an 80-column screen but hard to spot at 40 columns. > The fact that you're seeing the game text on the screen shows that it is > indeed properly reading files from the virtual disk, because zork1.com > loads all of that from zork1.dat. That's part of why I wanted to use it > as a test. The executable was small, and I knew what to expect from it. Yep. I've done similar sorts of things with the Z-machine for the 6502. It's not large and you know how it's going to behave (lots of disk reads for game text and game data). In order to get that opening screen, lots of things have to be working right. I had a long-standing bug with my port of the 6502 engine to a new platform - for me, the opening screen was fine, but it got squirrely with the first line of user input. At least it was at an obvious blocking point, so somewhat easy to create test-cases for. Smashing work. I can't wait to see a photograph of it running on the real hardware someday. -ethan From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 79477 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2010 02:09:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2010 02:09:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2010 02:09:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2010 02:08:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2010 02:08:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 02:08:51 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "cyranojones_lalp" Subject: Re: Mailstation CP/M X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=z-zTzra03b_lG3cBA_Sgorz_HsSyOJU_JmjZHE0aYTwvmcOik-ocRjRF2A X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 3382 Lines: 145 --- FyberOptic wrote: > Yep, that's Zork 1! Hey, that pretty cool!!!= > Except now I'm using the real CP/M BDOS v2.2 with it, > because I thou= ght that would be the easiest > way to ensure my BIOS module was working pr= operly. I have no command > processor at the moment, but I didn't need one.= Is the "console command processor" (CCP) a separate prog??? Or is it pa= rt of the BDOS??? I don't remember. I do recall that the BIOS was suppose= d to be the only part that needs to be customized. Perhaps you are closer = than you think! Did you cold boot CP/M, or just preload cp/m & Zork, and s= tart from there (0x0100)? > Second, my BIOS still can't write to "disk". = This was > partially due to > the fact that I wasn't even sure my read rou= tine was going to work > properly. Might it be useful if the bank-switchi= ng was not one way, and you could call routines from the ms firmware? Then = you could use ms firmware to access the dataflash, and even use the built i= n keyboard code. I guess you would need to give back the ram at C000 to ge= t that to work, but I don't see that as a real problem. You get a pretty bi= g stack out of the deal, too! Most CP/M systems never had full 64K RAM. M= ine did have 64K, but a big chunk was dedicated to screen RAM (I forget th= e actual size, but it did have a graphic mode, I want to say it used 24k fo= r screen, but I would need to look it up somewhere). > So, what I did was = take advantage of > all the available app space. Which is apparently 128KB= worth. There is a lot more space available in the mailstation's "file" = area. I think there is even one or two "filenames" available (where filena= me is just a byte, from 0 to 0x2f. Using the space that way would let your = cp/m files coexist with the other mailstation files. > I haven't tried thi= s on the Mailstation hardware yet, mostly due > to the > fact that it will= erase my loader app. Before I go writing anything > into my datflash, I'm= going to wait until I have both a command > processor and a standalone loa= der utility which I can run from > there. What if you combined your load= er, your cpm boot code, & cpm system tracks into a single app? Or just use= 2 app pages? For that matter, if there is any space left in your system p= age, you could still use it as part of cpm's non-system tracks. An app doe= sn't need to use the whole 16K, they just need to start at begining of one.= > I'd still like to finish my own original BDOS code, Your own, but "ori= ginal" might not be the right word! :-) > since I think it's still techni= cally stealing to use > this one even though it's 30 years old. There goe= s your "innocent" defense. "Anything you say may be used..." How do you in= terpret this: http://www.cpm.z80.de/license.html Does it mean we can just u= se it now??? Or does it only apply to that site????? > But then again, it= 's probably stealing to be using this copy of > Zork too. Gosh, and now yo= u even confessed! In public!!! > And my BIOS module is currently using a= ripped out version of > the Mailstation's keyboard routines, as well as th= e original > CGA font (which I'm sure is copyrighted or something). I won= der if they have net access in prisons these days? :-) I have a putchar t= hat uses the ms font, and a getchar that calls ms keyboard code. CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61703 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2010 06:15:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2010 06:15:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2010 06:15:18 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2010 06:13:45 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.73] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2010 06:13:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 06:13:43 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="6-0902491219-2466452857=:8" X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "FyberOptic" Subject: Re: Mailstation CP/M X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=427034928; y=kWjWuX1cPvEhKc-9aZBZtkMEOI8dAJPgpaciWZO4sR63HZlofp3JdAg X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 12494 Lines: 280 --6-0902491219-2466452857=:8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Couple of updates to point out here. One is obvious, the other maybe not= so much unless you know what you look for! Let's start with the font. It= 's now 4x6. The reason I used an 8x8 font originally is because it fit per= fectly into the restraints of the hardware. The screen being 320x128 meant= you could divide both dimensions evenly by 8, getting 40x16 characters on = the screen. I had the font data aligned to a 256-byte page in memory, and = formatted the data so that each character row could be pulled out by simply= incrementing the high byte of the memory address. The low byte was set to= which ASCII character you wanted (since there were 256 characters in the f= ont). No multiplication or anything was necessary to get the character off= set into the font data. And since each byte of LCD data represented 8 pixe= ls, it was an easy matter to write an entire row of character data to the s= creen at a time, then just increment a couple of pointers, and repeat 7 mor= e times. This made drawing characters pretty speedy. What took the most t= ime is calculating all the junk necessary to translate X/Y coordinates into= the wacky backwards way the Mailstation LCD hardware works. Well 40x16 is= n't really enough for many circumstances, particularly in width. Not even = a CP/M directory listing. So I did some math on various sizes. A 5x7 font= would give me a 64x18 display, with a few pixels left over at the bottom. = Not much more vertically, but 24 more horizontally was good. So I looked = around for some fonts on the internet, and ended up on this page . It has a bunch of Linux fonts, but best of = all, has images available of all the character sets. There was a nice 5x7 = font, but I also noticed the 4x6 one. More math showed that a 4x6 font wou= ld give me 80x21! That's almost a full CRT display's worth, just a few shy= vertically. And the more I thought about how I would implement a font whi= ch wasn't 8 pixels wide, the more I realized that using one with an even wi= dth would be easiest. A 4x6 font means a single byte of LCD data can hold = exactly two character columns of row data. Imagine the nightmare of trying= to calculate your position on the screen if every character was 5 pixels w= ide. Five bits of one character would be in one byte, then the next charac= ter would have 3 bits in the last byte and 2 bits in the next byte, etc. I= t hurts my brain to even think about it! The other thing I noticed is that= most of those fonts, including the 4x6 one I wanted, are public domain. A= wesome. So I formatted the image of the font characters into something I c= ould work with and insert into my assembly. I didn't go with 256 character= s this time because I'm honestly not sure if all the IBM ASCII characters t= hat were in the CGA font are even present in this one. If they are, they'r= e so small that it's hard to distinguish which are which. I left the first= 32 characters blank as well. No more smiley face characters! I might sti= ll extend it to 256 later, but CP/M was primarily 7-bit ASCII anyway. I on= ly included the upper 128 of the CGA font before because it could be used f= or drawing lines and borders and things. It took a bit of figuring things = out and code reworking, but I converted my putchar object file to work with= the new font data/size. And conveniently, changes were only made to that = object file, which means I can recompile my BIOS to use the 8x8 font again = as easy as specifying a different object file when linking. The new one = probably isn't as fast due to extra math involved, but the increased displa= y size is worth it in most cases. Anyway, I'll stop rambling about fonts. = It looks small in the emulator unless I 2X, but I think on the real hardwa= re it'll be okay. The other thing you might not have noticed on the scree= n there is that I actually loaded Zork via the command processor. I got a = directory listing beforehand too, though there's only three files on the vi= rtual disk. I've had some quirks out of this. I can launch stuff, but whe= n the application exits and the warm boot happens, the CCP never reloads pr= operly again. I haven't been able to figure it out yet, unless it and/or t= he BDOS are storing values which are messing it up, or something's getting = overwritten when Zork runs. I dunno yet. I suppose I could totally re-rea= d the BDOS/BIOS too. Maybe that's even what you're supposed to do. Part o= f the problem might be that I didn't use any of the original tools used to = build a CP/M system. I've manually converted the assembly code over to wor= k with AS-Z80, and am linking everything together as best I can figure it s= hould work based on CP/M manuals. I had to increase the default tiny BDOS = stack too because my BIOS calls were overflowing it (since I doubt most BIO= Ses needed as much bloaty hardware translations as this one). I think the = CCP is normally part of the whole mess that gets loaded off the system trac= ks in v2.2, but I was trying to take more of a CP/M 3 approach. I'm pullin= g the .COM off the disk, but just loading it at an abnormal location (under= the BDOS) instead of at 0x100. I probably should rename it to .SYS just to= avoid confusion. CP/M 3 actually loads its CCP at 0x100, but puts a loade= r module up under the BDOS for executing programs (using the memory-residen= t module functionality of v3). The reason I didn't go all-out in supportin= g the CP/M 3 BDOS though is because the BIOS would need a bunch more stuff = added to it. Which I'd still like to do eventually and all, but for the ti= me being the plan has just been "make it work". CP/M 2.2 was the easiest/q= uickest way to reach that goal. And I still have some fiddling to do. So= yeah, a lot of blabbing just to mention a new font and CCP. But maybe fol= ks are interested in the technical junk too. Either way, Zork fits on the = screen fine now! --6-0902491219-2466452857=:8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

          Couple of updates to point out here. One is obvious, the other ma= ybe not so much unless you know what you look for!

          Let's start with = the font. It's now 4x6. The reason I used an 8x8 font originally is becau= se it fit perfectly into the restraints of the hardware. The screen being = 320x128 meant you could divide both dimensions evenly by 8, getting 40x16 c= haracters on the screen. I had the font data aligned to a 256-byte page in= memory, and formatted the data so that each character row could be pulled = out by simply incrementing the high byte of the memory address. The low by= te was set to which ASCII character you wanted (since there were 256 charac= ters in the font). No multiplication or anything was necessary to get the = character offset into the font data. And since each byte of LCD data repre= sented 8 pixels, it was an easy matter to write an entire row of character = data to the screen at a time, then just increment a couple of pointers, and= repeat 7 more times. This made drawing characters pretty speedy. What to= ok the most time is calculating all the junk necessary to translate X/Y coo= rdinates into the wacky backwards way the Mailstation LCD hardware works.
          Well 40x16 isn't really enough for many circumstances, particularly i= n width. Not even a CP/M directory listing. So I did some math on various= sizes. A 5x7 font would give me a 64x18 display, with a few pixels left o= ver at the bottom. Not much more vertically, but 24 more horizontally was = good. So I looked around for some fonts on the internet, and ended up on this page. It has a bu= nch of Linux fonts, but best of all, has images available of all the charac= ter sets. There was a nice 5x7 font, but I also noticed the 4x6 one. More= math showed that a 4x6 font would give me 80x21! That's almost a full CRT= display's worth, just a few shy vertically. And the more I thought about = how I would implement a font which wasn't 8 pixels wide, the more I realize= d that using one with an even width would be easiest. A 4x6 font means a s= ingle byte of LCD data can hold exactly two character columns of row data. = Imagine the nightmare of trying to calculate your position on the screen i= f every character was 5 pixels wide. Five bits of one character would be i= n one byte, then the next character would have 3 bits in the last byte and = 2 bits in the next byte, etc. It hurts my brain to even think about it!
          The other thing I noticed is that most of those fonts, including the 4= x6 one I wanted, are public domain. Awesome.

          So I formatted the ima= ge of the font characters into something I could work with and insert into = my assembly. I didn't go with 256 characters this time because I'm honestl= y not sure if all the IBM ASCII characters that were in the CGA font are ev= en present in this one. If they are, they're so small that it's hard to di= stinguish which are which. I left the first 32 characters blank as well. = No more smiley face characters! I might still extend it to 256 later, but = CP/M was primarily 7-bit ASCII anyway. I only included the upper 128 of th= e CGA font before because it could be used for drawing lines and borders an= d things.

          It took a bit of figuring things out and code reworking, b= ut I converted my putchar object file to work with the new font data/size. = And conveniently, changes were only made to that object file, which means = I can recompile my BIOS to use the 8x8 font again as easy as specifying a d= ifferent object file when linking. The new one probably isn't as fast du= e to extra math involved, but the increased display size is worth it in mos= t cases.

          Anyway, I'll stop rambling about fonts. It looks small in = the emulator unless I 2X, but I think on the real hardware it'll be okay.

          The other thing you might not have noticed on the screen there is= that I actually loaded Zork via the command processor. I got a directory = listing beforehand too, though there's only three files on the virtual disk= .

          I've had some quirks out of this. I can launch stuff, but when th= e application exits and the warm boot happens, the CCP never reloads proper= ly again. I haven't been able to figure it out yet, unless it and/or the B= DOS are storing values which are messing it up, or something's getting over= written when Zork runs. I dunno yet. I suppose I could totally re-read th= e BDOS/BIOS too. Maybe that's even what you're supposed to do.

          Part= of the problem might be that I didn't use any of the original tools used t= o build a CP/M system. I've manually converted the assembly code over to w= ork with AS-Z80, and am linking everything together as best I can figure it= should work based on CP/M manuals. I had to increase the default tiny BDO= S stack too because my BIOS calls were overflowing it (since I doubt most B= IOSes needed as much bloaty hardware translations as this one). I think th= e CCP is normally part of the whole mess that gets loaded off the system tr= acks in v2.2, but I was trying to take more of a CP/M 3 approach. I'm pull= ing the .COM off the disk, but just loading it at an abnormal location (und= er the BDOS) instead of at 0x100. I probably should rename it to .SYS just= to avoid confusion.

          CP/M 3 actually loads its CCP at 0x100, but put= s a loader module up under the BDOS for executing programs (using the memor= y-resident module functionality of v3). The reason I didn't go all-out in = supporting the CP/M 3 BDOS though is because the BIOS would need a bunch mo= re stuff added to it. Which I'd still like to do eventually and all, but f= or the time being the plan has just been "make it work". CP/M 2.2 was the = easiest/quickest way to reach that goal. And I still have some fiddling to= do.


          So yeah, a lot of blabbing just to mention a new font and C= CP. But maybe folks are interested in the technical junk too. Either way,= Zork fits on the screen fine now! --6-0902491219-2466452857=:8-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 28012 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2010 06:34:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2010 06:34:54 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2010 06:34:54 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2010 06:34:53 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2010 06:34:53 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 06:34:52 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "FyberOptic" Subject: Re: Mailstation CP/M X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=427034928; y=Se0YyjjHzfLC8omgrj0m8wQm-xdn9Bw7HHZoBJtrOKac0Y_hOdStHNs X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 3761 Lines: 114 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, Ethan Dicks wrot= e: > > On 1/31/10, FyberOptic wrote: > > > > Yep, that's Z= ork 1! > > Well done! > Thanks! > > There are versions of the CP/M Z-= machine floating around (I found them > in one of the massive repositories = a couple of years back) that came > with an Infocom-written customizer fron= t-end. You might look for CP/M > Zork or Starcross or Planetfall that happ= en to have a .ASM file > included beyond just the usual .COM and .DAT file.= They mostly let > you select your terminal type (ADM3, VT100, etc), but t= here might be > something in there for screen size. You know, that'd be pr= etty handy to have. One of the things I want to do to all of this is make = it work on both modified and unmodified Mailstations. I'll detect if the h= ardware mod is present, and if not, the CP/M system area will start at 0x40= 00 instead of 0x0000, and apps will load at 0x4100 rather than 0x0100. Of = course, this means only apps compiled to run at that starting address will = work. But if one has the original source to something, it makes it a lot e= asier. Disassembling something and trying to find all the memory accesses = to the system area is a huge chore. I've tried! But yeah, I could compile= a separate version of the Z-machine to run using the other start address, = if I can find what you're talking about. Maybe for executables that use th= e higher starting address I can use an .EXE extension, and write a custom c= ommand processor (or modify this one) which knows to load them at the diffe= rent location. That way unmodified .COM programs can launch at the traditi= onal 0x0100, if one has the hardware for it. And of course, recompiling wo= uld also let me do your original point, to specify the display width depend= ing on which font I want to use. > > Overall, though, Infocom did suppor= t 40 column machines (Apple II, > C-64, etc.) It's up to the Z-machine whe= re to wrap, etc. The > appearance of the status line depends on matching u= p the column width, > and there is at least one puzzle clue that I know of = that is easy to > spot with an 80-column screen but hard to spot at 40 colu= mns. Well, who knows where this copy of Zork even came from. It might hav= e been for a specific machine. I've found lots of software during my diggi= ng around which is computer-dependent, despite CP/M being so open-ended. A= ll the different displays available was probably the biggest reason. Espec= ially for computers which had graphical hardware rather than just character= output. I think this copy was probably suited to a 64 character-wide scre= en. I would have had that with the 5x7 font I wanted to switch to, but now= I'm up to 80 characters with this 4x6 font. That should be fine for any C= P/M app! > > In order to get that opening screen, lots of things have t= o be working > right. I had a long-standing bug with my port of the 6502 e= ngine to a > new platform - for me, the opening screen was fine, but it got= > squirrely with the first line of user input. At least it was at an > ob= vious blocking point, so somewhat easy to create test-cases for. It's funn= y you had that problem, because my very first problem after getting the ope= ning screen was an issue when I input text. But I was using a clunky way o= f dumping the .COM file into memory rather than properly loading it off the= disk, and I think I as clipping the end of it off. Once I upgraded to usi= ng BIOS commands to pull sectors off until EOF, it worked okay. > > Smas= hing work. I can't wait to see a photograph of it running on the > real ha= rdware someday. > Thanks again. I'll be sure to take one! From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 95202 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2010 07:49:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Feb 2010 07:49:17 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2010 07:49:17 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2010 07:49:00 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Feb 2010 07:49:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 07:49:00 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "FyberOptic" Subject: Re: Mailstation CP/M X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=427034928; y=jRMeLqO6qJ86V9sEQUogmCNw2Ze7OG3eXCA0FVNl-yH1Vo0mIjEJF80 X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 9018 Lines: 221 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "cyranojones_lalp" wrote: > > Is the "console command processor" (CCP) a separate prog= ??? > Or is it part of the BDOS??? I don't remember. Depends on the CP/M= version. From what I understand, the CCP/BDOS/BIOS were one big clump in = the system tracks before version 3, and all loaded into upper memory by the= loader also on the system tracks. With version 3, the CCP became a .COM f= ile. Though v3 also uses a stripped down BDOS and BIOS in the system track= s, which it uses to then load the full versions off of the data area of the= disk. Even though I'm using v2.2 of the CCP now, I'm loading it off the d= ata area of the disk rather than being part of the system tracks, though st= ill placing it into an area below the BDOS. I originally decided on this m= ethod because my BIOS was getting a bit pudgy from having to have the font = data in it, not to mention all the code in general for handling the virtual= text display and virtual disk which a normal CP/M system wouldn't have had= (I think a normal BIOS was supposed to just be 2KB), and I didn't want to = waste too much disk space with system tracks. I started out with 2 tracks = (8KB), realized that wasn't enough, went to 3, then realized it would just = make sense to use a full four for 16KB, giving me some growing room. I thi= nk I might could cram it in there now though, especially since the new font= I'm using takes less space. > > I do recall that the BIOS was suppo= sed to be the only > part that needs to be customized. That's true. The t= hing is though, there are tools used for actually creating/modifying a CP/M= system. Tools which run on the system itself, already running that versio= n of CP/M you're going to modify. I obviously didn't have that luxury, so = I had to get by with modifying the BDOS and CCP assembly files to work with= SDCC's AS-Z80 assembler. I'm linking the BDOS against the BIOS myself, al= ong with my loader app in front of all of that. It seems to be fine, surpr= isingly, aside from the CCP part. It works at boot, but doesn't work after= the warm boot when an app exits, even though the same code is called. I h= aven't been able to figure out why yet. > > Perhaps you are closer than = you think! Let's hope! > > Did you cold boot CP/M, or just preload cp/m= & Zork, and > start from there (0x0100)? > My original test involved lit= erally dumping the zork.com directly off the dataflash and into memory and = executing it. The BDOS and BIOS were already in place in upper memory thou= gh via the OS loader app, and this file dumping was happening in the BIOS a= s part of the startup, so it was practically the same as loading it off a d= isk, even if a bit of a kludge. It was reading zork1.dat off the disk in a= ny case. After I saw that the disk routines were working, I went on to act= ually loading zork1.com off of the disk using BDOS commands, reading 128 by= tes at a time until I hit EOF, then executing 0x0100. Now I'm still doing = something similar at startup, except with CCP.COM, but loading it into high= er memory underneath the BDOS. It's compiled to base at that address too, = so I ought to name it like CCP.SYS now probably so that it can't be execute= d from the command line. I did originally make the CCP.COM load at 0x0100,= but it was incapable of launching apps at that location, which is what pro= mpted me to shift it upwards where it belongs for this version. CP/M 3's C= CP loads at 0x0100 though, but loads apps via a resident loader module whic= h it loads up high using the RSX functions in the v3 BDOS. The transient p= ortion of the CCP then gets overwritten by the new app. I like this approa= ch, and will probably use it if I ever write my own CCP. Though if I rewri= te the BDOS too, I'll just write the app loading capability directly into t= here via a custom function call. > > Might it be useful if the bank-swit= ching was not one way, > and you could call routines from the ms firmware? = > Then you could use ms firmware to access the dataflash, and > even use th= e built in keyboard code. > > I guess you would need to give back the ram = at C000 to > get that to work, but I don't see that as a real problem. > Yo= u get a pretty big stack out of the deal, too! My hardware mod can actuall= y switch slot0000 back to codeflash by toggling P28.3 back to 0, but that w= ould put the original interrupt code and everything back into place. I cou= ld still get around it with the interrupt jump trick using the other interr= upt mode, but as you mentioned, I'd have to waste some ram to do it. I onl= y really wanted to have to use this method for people who won't have a hard= ware mod, since it's such a kludge. I wrote my own routine though which re= ads any 256-byte dataflash sector into a buffer. I probably could have rip= ped that function out of the Mailstation disassembly too, but I prefer to w= rite as much of my own code as possible. I started rewriting the keyboard = routines before, but debouncing and key repeat were giving me issues, so I = ended up just going with the borrowed code so that I could move forward at = the time. Not to mention, making the keyboard work again was fairly boring= , to be honest. They're still separate and compatible object files though,= I can just swap them in and out of the BIOS module, so maybe one day I can= have all original code in the BIOS. The font I'm using is public domain n= ow, too! Speaking of switching banks though, I've considered it for some o= f the larger functions (and the font, for example) into one of the other RA= M pages, and just bank-switch it in when needed during BIOS calls. CP/M 3 = supports bank-switching, even, but I don't have a full understanding of how= it works yet. Not that I need v3 though to take advantage of such a thing= if I wanted. But so far RAM hasn't been a problem for the things I've tri= ed. > > There is a lot more space available in the mailstation's > "file= " area. I think there is even one or two "filenames" > available (where fi= lename is just a byte, from 0 to 0x2f. > Using the space that way would let= your cp/m files coexist > with the other mailstation files. That's the th= ing, I knew that the Mailstation uses a file system of some kind in its OS,= but I have no idea how it works. So I just avoided that whole area where = it stores emails and things. How much do you know about it? Like, where= exactly in dataflash does it start, what format do the files/directory ent= ries use, etc etc? Anything you've figured out might be useful for getting= more usable space! Eventually I also want to finish the code which would = let me have a drive B which works across the parallel port cable to a serve= r app on the PC side. That would let a person copy and move files onto the= ir Mailstation flash disk via the OS. At least, once I actually implement = disk writing, that is! > > What if you combined your loader, your cpm bo= ot code, & cpm system > tracks into a single app? Or just use 2 app pages?= For that > matter, if there is any space left in your system page, you > = could still use it as part of cpm's non-system tracks. An > app doesn't ne= ed to use the whole 16K, they just need to > start at begining of one. > = I'm actually using a fair amount of the 16KB of system tracks for my OS loa= der + BDOS + BIOS. The CCP I compiled is a little less than 2KB though, wh= ich is smaller than I originally expected one to be, so I might be able to = fit that into the system tracks too, which would save a bit of space on the= data area of the disk. I've thought of different ways of including a trad= itional loader app. One is to include it in the OS loader, where maybe you= hold a key when you launch the app in the Mailstation menu and it falls ba= ck on that mode to let you load things on the parallel port like before. O= r maybe putting a key combo you can press any time the OS is loaded. And t= hen of course is the other method of just making it a .COM file on the disk= . It's one of the next things on the list to do though so I'll figure some= thing out. > > How do you interpret this: > http://www.cpm.z80.de/licens= e.html > Does it mean we can just use it now??? Or does it only apply > to= that site????? Well, considering that's where I downloaded most of the st= uff from, I guess that means it's okay! I dunno. That's one reason I alwa= ys like writing as much of my own code as possible, like with the BDOS. It= 'd perform the same interface functions for CP/M applications, but is still= different on the inside. And be another member in the ocean of OS clones~= ! > > Gosh, and now you even confessed! In public!!! I'll plead insan= ity when they drag me away to jail. They'll surely believe it when they re= alize I was rewriting a 30 year old operating system for a 10 year old devi= ce. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49387 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2010 05:11:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2010 05:11:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2010 05:11:36 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2010 05:10:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2010 05:10:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 05:10:00 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "cyranojones_lalp" Subject: Mailstation files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=e41bJKZdC7bQygooLNgU0rYxPld_bJf0GRy9wdn0AzWC2WP358H3DmD6hw X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 14481 Lines: 516 Some of this is based on guesses, and any of it may turn out to be wrong. = Some of this is pasted in from text that is prolly too wide. If you are re= ading it on group website, you can select "use fixed width font" over there= --> and it might look a little better. -----------------------------------= -------- Dataflash files are accessed by a "file number". (The number of = question-marks is an indicator of how wild a guess is. Normal educated gu= esses usually get 3.) file# 00 - unused/ or 00 not possible??? 01 - = unused???? 02 - address book 03 - calendar 04 - unused??? 05 - inbo= x user 0 06 - inbox user 1 07 - inbox user 2 08 - inbox user 3 09 -= inbox user 4 0A - outbox user 0 0B - outbox user 1 0C - outbox user = 2 0D - outbox user 3 0E - outbox user 4 0F - sent user 0 10 - sent = user 1 11 - sent user 2 12 - sent user 3 13 - sent user 4 14 - ??? = user 0 (not really sure 14 thru 18 used, should test???) 15 - ??? user = 1 16 - ??? user 2 17 - ??? user 3 18 - ??? user 4 19 - unused??? = ... 1D - unused??? (not sure what highest possible file# is, need to te= st) I am pretty sure they go up to at least 0x1d or 0x1e, but need to t= est to be sure. There are also file numbers, offset from actual file numb= ers by 0x20 or 0x40 (I forget exactly) that are part of the actual file, (= or part of the directory, depending on how you see things). I can't find = it written anywhere, and I forget exactly how it works, but I seem to reca= ll thinking the higher numbers may be a "thread" thru the actual records, = in a sorted order. IIRC, At least one file also had a second sort order, = using a file number an additional offset higher (+0x80???). I do believ= e the higher numbers are just for internal usage, and you don't ever "open= " one of them, you just use the lower set of file numbers. (I could be wro= ng on that, though!) (I prolly understood this a lot better 2 or 3 years = ago!!!) I have a vague notion that I saw a place where code was deleting= a user, and copying the files of higher users down 1, to close the gap. = IIRC, it was copying 4 different groups, but I never figured out what the 4= th group was (in/out/sent/???). But it is possible it was just 3 groups.= There is more info on files below, in "notes" section. There is a part = of dataflash I called "bookmarks", but it might be better called a "direct= ory". The bookmark sector holds a table of 4 byte dataflash addresses for= the possible file numbers. Each file number has 2 entries (iow, 8 bytes)= , I believe the difference is the sort order of that files records. I am = really stretching my memory to the limit, but I seem to think the bookmarks= point to a linked list of records with the file numbers offset as refered = to earlier. I believe these are sorted, and each node points to a message= record, in addition to a "next" pointer record. The message records hav= e the actual file number (less than 0x20 iirc), and each message record ho= lds a single email message. I want to say that there is only one record o= f pointers for each file, but I am not sure. It is possible that each "no= de" in sorted list is a separate record. I don't recall if these have th= e same header as the message records. I am pretty sure that each message = in a file has a separate record, with a 4 byte header. Most files (or may= be I really mean "records" of files) start with 0xFD if valid, and 0xFC (ii= rc) if deleted. The 2nd byte is file number, 3rd & 4th (word) are the size= of the data that follows this 4 byte header. There are 4 of what I ca= lled "special files" that use completely different file structure, with a = fixed position in df, and a fixed number of records: A0 - user accounts= A1 - settings data A2 - ??? A3 - ??? Some of the lower number fil= es (0x02 & 0x03????) have patches to the file handling code. This possibl= y has something to do with the sorting????? There are also patches to han= dle the "special" files differently. I believe you can open/read/write/etc= *any* of the dataflash files with the same functions (see my "mailstation= .h" in groups file section). There is also info in that header regardin= g structure of the data portion of the "message" files (inboxes/outboxes/se= ntboxes). The mailstation firmware also has another concept of "files", wi= th completely different functions used to access them. the "ramdisk" functi= ons. More than 1 of the ram pages is dedicated to this ramdisk, I forget = if it is 2, 3, or maybe 4???? It is entirely possible that file 0x00 & 0x0= 1 in list above are not accessed by the dataflash access functions. (ok, I = just removed these two from list) 00 - string table???? (maybe ramdisk, = and no df file 00????? if so, then likewise for 01.) 01 - widget "sets"= (one looks like new acct entry screen, one might be sent screen???) They= might really be "ramdisk" type files???? The more I think, the more like= ly that seems. I do remember thinking that it seemed they purposely did = not use the same filenumbers for both types of file, but I see no reason w= hy you could not have one of each for a given number. It may be that they = developed on a system with normal disk files, and then mapped some to dataf= lash, and others to ram/rom-disk?????????????? The ramdisk functions are = more like normal file access functions, there is even a "seek" function ava= ilable. The ms seems to use these for storing various data relating to the= "widgets", iow the widget value is the file data (IIRC, this includes text= in text widgets. I think two files (00 & 01) accessed by what I called "= ramdisk" functions are actually accessing fixed data in the codeflash. C= all them "romdisk" maybe??? No, that is not good, there is a function I lab= eled "romdisk" that is something entirely different (perhaps to access th= at huge chunk of codeflash with the spellcheck dictionary????????) ------= -------------------------- My approach to making a file system for cp/m wo= uld leave all this to the ms firmware, and just call the read/write functio= ns. I have thought of various schemes, including using one of the "users" i= nboxes, where each "message" was a file. One interesting aspect of that wo= uld be possibility of just "emailing" a file to the ms! Or you could make = each record in a ms file be a "track" to cp/m. ---------------------------= ----- Some more info on dataflash contents: (I used the # as meaning hex,= I think 'coz the disassembler we were using at first used that syntax.) = address pg:sect:offset --------------------------------------------- #00= 0000 00:00:00 - 00:3f:ff 1st loaded app #004000 01:00:00 - 01:3f:ff = 2nd loaded app #008000 02:00:00 - 02:3f:ff 3rd loaded app #00c000 03:= 00:00 - 03:3f:ff 4th loaded app #010000 04:00:00 - 04:3f:ff 5th loade= d app #014000 05:00:00 - 05:3f:ff ??? #018000 06:00:00 - 06:3f:ff ?= ?? #01c000 07:00:00 - 07:00:02 user_flag (3 bytes) #AA, #AA, #nn, wh= ere nn is number of user records added. #01c003 07:00:03 - 07:3f:ff use= r_adds (0 to 5 562 byte user acct records) (note 7) #020000 08:00:00= - 08:00:ff magic_sect (256 bytes) (note 4) #020100 08:01:00 - 08:01:f= f unknown use (256 bytes) #020200 08:02:00 - 08:02:ff bookmark_0 = #020300 08:03:00 - 08:03:ff bookmark_1 (notes 2 & 3 & 9) #020400 08:0= 4:00 - 08:04:ff bookmark_2 #020500 08:05:00 - 08:05:ff bookmark_3 = #020600 08:06:00 - 08:06:ff bookmark_4 #020700 08:07:00 - 08:07:ff= bookmark_5 #020800 08:08:00 - 08:08:08 flag_50 (9 bytes) #= 020809 08:08:09 flag_51 (1 byte) current user# (note 9= ) #02080A 08:08:0A flag_52 (1 byte) #02080B 08:08:0B = flag_53 (1 byte) #02080C 08:08:0C flag_54 = (1 byte) #02080D 08:08:0D flag_55 (1 byte) #02080E 0= 8:08:0E flag_56 (1 byte) #02080F 08:08:0F f= lag_57 (1 byte) #020900 08:09:00 - 08:1e:08 alt_splash (5385 byte= s) (note 1, 6) #022100 08:21:00 - 08:24:28 alt_logo (809 bytes) (= note 1,6) #022900 08:29:00 - 08:33:?? file_A0 users_accoun= ts (5 records, 562 bytes each) (counts are decimal) (note 7) #023400 08:3= 4:00 - 08:34:0f file_A1 settings (1 record, 16 bytes) #023416 0= 8:34:16 file_A2 (1 record, 2048 bytes) (file= #A2 is all 0's on mine) #023CFE 08:3C:FE file_A3 = (50 records, 81 bytes each) #024D00 09:0D:00 - 1F:3D:FF normal_= files (note 11) second to last sector #07FE00 1f:3e:00 datafl_flag = (2 bytes) dataflash state (set to #8017 after dataflash is initialized) #= 07FE02 1f:3e:02 ?????? (2 bytes) #07FE04 1f:3e:04 book_select (2 = bytes) selects one of 5 possible bookmark sectors (note 3) #07FE06 1f:3= e:06 flag64 (2 bytes) #07FE08 1f:3e:08 flag65 (2 bytes) l= astsector #07FF00 1f:3f:00 mode_flag (4 bytes) run mode, See "Write_d= ataflash_Lastsector" [37DE] for values #07FFC8 1f:3f:c8 serial_num (16 = bytes) note 0: Some of thes notes are redundant. They may have been writ= ten months or years apart, and I don't have time to edit right = now. The "note #" has very little to do with the order they we= re written. note 1: These are optional customized splash screen & logo im= age data. The sizes are how many bytes get copied to ram when thi= s file is used. If first two bytes are not "OK", then hardcoded im= ages in codeflash are used. the first 4 words of the s= plash file are "5083, 4, 319, 127" or in hex "#13db, #0004, #013f,= #007f". The rest is bit data??? The 319 is x dimension, and 127 = is y, in pixels. I don't think you can change the dimensions, coz = prog expects these sizes. The splash is a full screenful, and the= logo is the size of the "Mailstation" logo at the top of the main= menu (iow, it *is* the main menu logo). note 2: I called these= sectors "bookmarks" for lack of better idea. There are 2 kinds = of bookmark sector, and there is always just one of each kind. A = value in the 2nd to last sector specs which of 5 different pairs o= f sectors are the current bookmarks. After a bookmark has been er= ased 10,000 times, the next pair is used. After all 5 pairs have b= een used, it starts over with the first pair. The first bookmark = sector of the pair holds the start addresses for each of the "norm= al" files, and also a use count. The second of the pair just hold= s the address of the next free location in dataflash, and a use co= unt. All the values in the bookmark sectors are 4 bytes long. = The "free" pointer is the 1st 4 bytes of the "free bookmark" sec= tor, and the 2nd 4 bytes are a count of how many times this sector= has been erased. The "file bookmarks" are offset in tha= t sector by 8 x the file number. There are two pointers for each = file, and I think the difference may be that they point to 2 diffe= rent threads thru the same file (unsorted, and sorted?????). The = last 4 bytes in the sector are the erase count. note 3: What I am= calling bookmarks are pointers to the "normal" files (and free sp= ace). There are five bookmark sectors. A byte in second to last = sector selects which of the five is currently in use. The first 4= bytes are the dataflash address of next free dataflash sector. = The second 4 bytes are a "use count" for this particular = bookmark. When use count reaches 10,000 the next bookmark sector = is used. After all 5 bookmarks have been used 10,000 times, it st= art over with the first bookmark. The bookmark sector is written w= henever one of the "normal files" is modified, so it would see a l= ot more wear than any other sector. I don't like this me= chanism, but wear leveling is a tricky problem, and this is better than not= hing. (08:02:xx) might be a bookmark also??? erased along with ot= her 5. note 4: I called this "magic_sector" just because I didn't know wh= at it was for. Turns out it is a sort of directory for the loaded= apps. note 6: the first 4 words of the splash file are "5083, 4, 319, 12= 7" or in hex "#13db, #0004, #013f, #007f". The rest is bit data??= ? The larger one is full screenful, other is smaller, probably = the size of the cidco logo????? note 7: user adds are written at tw= o different places, page #07, and file #A0. Why I don't know. n= ote 8: dataflash pg 00 thru 07 values are from 2.22r, looks like t= est pattern. note 9: sectors (08:02:00) thru (08:08:FF) are not writeabl= e by write_dataflash_low (bookmarks & flags) note 10: settings f= ile data, 16 dec bytes at dataflash (08:34:00) raw address #02= 3400 There is a 2 byte header, so the data starts at (08:34:02) = The default setings are: '0815', #00 ;; download t= ime #00 ;; 0 =3D am / 1 =3D pm #00 = ;; every (0, 4, 8, 12, 24) hours. (0 =3D 0hr, 1 =3D 4hr, 2 =3D 8h= r, 3 =3D 12hr, 4 =3D 24hr) #01 ;; save messages on = server (0 =3D yes / 1 =3D no) '8', #00 ;; max size of do= wnload (k) '10', #00 ;; auto powerdown time (minutes) = #01 ;; call waiting (0 =3D yes / 1 =3D no) = #00 ;; spkr vol (0 =3D low, 1 =3D hi, 2 =3D off) = #01 ;; ignore dial tone (0 =3D yes / 1 =3D no) note 11: This = is the largest area in dataflash, and it is where the "normal" fi= les are, but they are not at fixed locations. The the first byt= e of a file is #FD, and the second byte is the file number. Thir= d & fourth bytes are file size, not counting the 4 byte header. = From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... 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          If it doesn't work, you can find it there.
          CJ
          --4-1439837286-9111505744=:6-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 85974 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2010 18:17:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2010 18:17:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2010 18:17:18 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.147] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2010 18:16:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t10.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2010 18:16:54 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 18:16:54 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose From: "Neil" Subject: Re: What's wrong with this picture? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=Q0DwWMvobbU3tIHTgAEIKzn2daOuG0plMYTbCup5bb72snB3xw X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 347 Lines: 22 You mean here? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/photos/album/8840= 6095/pic/187212021/view So, what IS wrong with it? Neil --- In mailstati= on@yahoogroups.com, "cyranojones_lalp" wrote: > > >= I am trying to embed a picture from group's photo section. If it doesn't >= work, you can find it there. > CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 17780 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2010 20:26:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2010 20:26:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n6-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.102) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2010 20:26:03 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.48] by n6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2010 20:26:03 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by t1.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2010 20:26:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Apr 2010 20:26:03 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 20:26:02 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="9-9781265298-2315147907=:3" X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose From: "cyranojones_lalp" Subject: Re: What's wrong with this picture? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=_6CobEy7GUxHEjG9GAOZsb3UTzbt_KGK0Z9-wzKQZp_oNSmrObOT70rlnw X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 2313 Lines: 76 --9-9781265298-2315147907=:3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" wrote: > > You = mean here? > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/photos/album/88406= 095/pic/1872\ 12021/view Yeah, thanks. I shoulda thought to just put the = link to it. But I knew I had embedded pix in the messages before, and I fi= gured I musta had a stroke or something, and just lost the brain cells that= knew how to do it. Turns out it was the browser. What's wrong with this = picture? I have been using google chrome for past several days, and I have= to say I like it in most regards. But it seems that it loses the message = when switching out of html mode (using the rich text option from yahoo grou= ps). I switched back to firefox for this try. > So, what IS wrong with it= ? That's the puzzle!!! If you give up, I can email you the answer, but I = don't want to post it here just yet. :-) CJ --9-9781265298-2315147907=:3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
          --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" wro= te:
          >
          > You mean here?
          >
          > http://groups.yahoo.com= /group/mailstation/photos/album/88406095/pic/187212021/view

          Yeah, th= anks.  I shoulda thought to just put the link to it.  But I knew = I had
          embedded pix in the messages before, and I figured I musta had a s= troke or something,
          and just lost the brain cells that knew how to do it= .  Turns out it was the browser.

          What's wrong with = this picture?



          I have been usin= g google chrome for past several days, and I have to say
          I like it in m= ost regards. But it seems that it loses the message when switching
          out= of html mode (using the rich text option from yahoo groups). 
          I switched back to firefox for this try.

          > So, what IS wrong wit= h it?

          That's the puzzle!!!  If you give up, I can email you the= answer, but I
          don't want to post it here just yet.  :-)

          CJ<= br>
          --9-9781265298-2315147907=:3-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: govindc@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 5897 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2010 22:08:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Apr 2010 22:08:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pz0-f203.google.com) (209.85.222.203) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2010 22:08:41 -0000 X-Received: by pzk41 with SMTP id 41so3959991pzk.10 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 15:08:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.115.22.2 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 15:08:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 03:38:00 +0530 X-Received: by 10.115.114.13 with SMTP id r13mr2506530wam.102.1271023700179; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 15:08:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64c0b22267d520483fd445e X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Govind C Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: What's wrong with this picture? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=204294763; y=iIxK9BXBCvaSDX6UspoY6EavvI41N4gWFknUBH31GcQ4iw X-Yahoo-Profile: govigov Status: RO Content-Length: 3475 Lines: 116 --0016e64c0b22267d520483fd445e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable isnt this the mailstation 350/250? as far as i remember, the mailstation 35= 0 did not have the option that says yahoo!. or am i wrong? On Mon, Apr 12,= 2010 at 1:56 AM, cyranojones_lalp < cyranojones_lalp@...> wrote: > = > > > --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" wrote: > >= > > You mean here? > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/pho= tos/album/88406095/pic/187212021/view > > Yeah, thanks. I shoulda thought = to just put the link to it. But I knew I > had > embedded pix in the messa= ges before, and I figured I musta had a stroke or > something, > and just l= ost the brain cells that knew how to do it. Turns out it was the > browser= . > > What's wrong with this picture? > > I have been using google chrome = for past several days, and I have to say > I like it in most regards. But i= t seems that it loses the message when > switching > out of html mode (usin= g the rich text option from yahoo groups). > > I switched back to firefox f= or this try. > > > > So, what IS wrong with it? > > That's the puzzle!!! I= f you give up, I can email you the answer, but I > don't want to post it he= re just yet. :-) > > CJ > > > --0016e64c0b22267d520483fd445e Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable isnt this the mailstation 350/250? as far as i remember, the mailstation 35= 0 did not have the option that says yahoo!. or am i wrong?

          On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 1:56 AM, cyranojones_lalp <cyranojones_l= alp@...> wrote:
          =A0


          --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Neil&= quot; wrote:
          >
          > You mean here?
          > <= br>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group= /mailstation/photos/album/88406095/pic/187212021/view

          Ye= ah, thanks.=A0 I shoulda thought to just put the link to it.=A0 But I knew = I had
          embedded pix in the messages before, and I figured I musta had a s= troke or something,
          and just lost the brain cells that knew how to do it= .=A0 Turns out it was the browser.

          What's wrong = with this picture?



          I have been= using google chrome for past several days, and I have to say
          I like = it in most regards. But it seems that it loses the message when switching <= br>out of html mode (using the rich text option from yahoo groups).=A0
          =
          I switched back to firefox for this try.


          >= ; So, what IS wrong with it?

          That's the puzzle!!!=A0 If yo= u give up, I can email you the answer, but I
          don't want to post it h= ere just yet.=A0 :-)

          CJ


          --0016e64c0b22267d520483fd445e-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42499 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2010 02:56:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2010 02:56:45 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (216.224.236.178) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2010 02:56:45 -0000 X-Received: from www.handypage.net (localhost.handypage.net [127.0.0.1]) by www.handypage.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/netmax) with SMTP id o3C2oKJN027888 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 19:50:20 -0700 X-Received: from 174-26-94-189.phnx.qwest.net ([174.26.94.189]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user waynem) by www.handypage.net with HTTP; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 19:50:20 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <2731.174.26.94.189.1271040620.squirrel@...> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 19:50:20 -0700 (MST) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: waynem@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: What's wrong with this picture? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=vOO_5iDoErMJrPbZ4NYXK6RYijLsd_1nq61vriku_z61r6h3T1g2-g X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 2148 Lines: 80 Nice to see your still out there Govind !!!! So what is up with Earthlink ???? I wish they would either pick the mailstation service back up or release all the equipment and software rights !!!! With the U.S. postal service now cutting back the Saturday delivery and possibly rural area service, I expect that the Mailstation or something similiar would now be a very good money maker. Still haven't figured on how to re-program a Model 350. Hope somebody can figure it out. I had a few that I wanted to put on Earthlink, and one that I wanted to replace a 350 with another one, and Earthlink would not do it for me. NO new mailstation service or replacing existing units. I had to use a model 150 unit and set it up as the 350 was. My Aunt now has her service back. She can't live with out it !!!! These units are great for the older generation, or the computer illiterate. Simple email, nothing else !!!!! Thanks, Wayne > isnt this the mailstation 350/250? as far as i remember, the mailstation > 350 > did not have the option that says yahoo!. or am i wrong? > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 1:56 AM, cyranojones_lalp < > cyranojones_lalp@...> wrote: > >> >> >> >> --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" wrote: >> > >> > You mean here? >> > >> > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/photos/album/88406095/pic/187212021/view >> >> Yeah, thanks. I shoulda thought to just put the link to it. But I knew >> I >> had >> embedded pix in the messages before, and I figured I musta had a stroke >> or >> something, >> and just lost the brain cells that knew how to do it. Turns out it was >> the >> browser. >> >> What's wrong with this picture? >> >> I have been using google chrome for past several days, and I have to say >> I like it in most regards. But it seems that it loses the message when >> switching >> out of html mode (using the rich text option from yahoo groups). >> >> I switched back to firefox for this try. >> >> >> > So, what IS wrong with it? >> >> That's the puzzle!!! If you give up, I can email you the answer, but I >> don't want to post it here just yet. :-) >> >> CJ >> >> >> > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 86642 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2010 03:47:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2010 03:47:31 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pv0-f177.google.com) (74.125.83.177) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2010 03:47:30 -0000 X-Received: by pvc30 with SMTP id 30so2702761pvc.22 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 20:47:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.115.37.28 with SMTP id p28mr2594138waj.218.1271044041070; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 20:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from NewBaby (d75-155-133-111.bchsia.telus.net [75.155.133.111]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm3713976pzk.4.2010.04.11.20.47.19 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 11 Apr 2010 20:47:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <0EA0507BA43745F0848EFEBEEB555FFE@NewBaby> To: References: <2731.174.26.94.189.1271040620.squirrel@...> In-Reply-To: <2731.174.26.94.189.1271040620.squirrel@...> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 20:37:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0A99_01CAD9B6.CF024C30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] What's wrong with this picture? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=PbKQfoj6c6qibhOIiPuCc2ObGyNgdRJmo__6Qu7ZRqK_bwrLsQ X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 1687 Lines: 61 ------=_NextPart_000_0A99_01CAD9B6.CF024C30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maybe one day we'll figure it out. It would be disgraceful if all of these = machines found their way into the waste stream. Neil From: waynem@handyp= age.net Still haven't figured on how to re-program a Model 350. Hope some= body can figure it out. ------=_NextPart_000_0A99_01CAD9B6.CF024C30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable = =
          Maybe one day we'll figure it out. It would be disgraceful if all o= f these machines found their way into the waste stream.
          =  
          Neil

          <= DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
          From= : waynem@...

          Still haven't figured on how to re-program a Model= 350. Hope somebody
          can figure it out.
          ------=_NextPart_000_0A99_01CAD9B6.CF024C30-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 90874 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2010 04:01:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2010 04:01:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2010 04:01:14 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2010 04:01:03 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2010 04:01:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 04:01:01 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2731.174.26.94.189.1271040620.squirrel@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "FyberOptic" Subject: Re: What's wrong with this picture? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=427034928; y=gkcD6ERJy0gmbzHRQPlROfSfAsWAxcWDgNCPQc5HROqgyWBBfxqyLUA X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 1490 Lines: 57 Actually a woman emailed me recently about how to get a Mailstation to work= for her mother. When she called Earthlink, despite their website saying t= hey no longer offer service for them, the rep fixed it up for her anyway. = I guess it just depends on who you get ahold of as to what quality of cus= tomer service you get. I mean, it's basically just dial-up internet with a= n email account, after all. --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, waynem@.= .. wrote: > > Nice to see your still out there Govind !!!! > > So what is = up with Earthlink ???? > > I wish they would either pick the mailstation s= ervice back up > or release all the equipment and software rights !!!! > >= With the U.S. postal service now cutting back the Saturday delivery and > = possibly rural area service, I expect that the Mailstation or something > s= imiliar would now be a very good money maker. > > Still haven't figured on= how to re-program a Model 350. Hope somebody > can figure it out. I had a = few that I wanted to put on Earthlink, and > one that I wanted to replace a= 350 with another one, and Earthlink would > not do it for me. > > NO new = mailstation service or replacing existing units. > > I had to use a model = 150 unit and set it up as the 350 was. > My Aunt now has her service back. = She can't live with out it !!!! > > These units are great for the older g= eneration, or the computer > illiterate. Simple email, nothing else !!!!! = > > Thanks, > Wayne > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 72241 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2010 20:55:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2010 20:55:03 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2010 20:55:03 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2010 20:52:51 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2010 20:52:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 20:52:51 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose From: "cyranojones_lalp" Subject: Re: What's wrong with this picture? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=W4Gf8BRJUQZPl5BMyFOwtpXNrjZ7cwKJ6tNvvqmLN77ajerFue50uKiT8Q X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 852 Lines: 44 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, Govind C wrote: > > isn= t this the mailstation 350/250? No, the 250 & 350 both had grey cases (I = think different shades of grey, though). The unit in the picture is defini= tely blue. > as far as i remember, the mailstation 350 > did not have the= option that says yahoo!. or am i wrong? I'm not really sure which models = had the "yahoo" feature. Seems like it was the earlier models though. Bu= t I will grant you that this particular unit (in picture) did not have the= yahoo feature (before yesterday at least). But there is a lot more wron= g than just the yahoo!!! I'll post the answer later tonight. Hint: I thou= ght for sure Fyberoptic would get it. (This was supposed to be fun, but pe= rhaps I am just annoying the few people that are left in this group???) CJ= From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fyberoptic@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 82244 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2010 21:27:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Apr 2010 21:27:10 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n46b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.160) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2010 21:27:10 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n46.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2010 21:26:47 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2010 21:26:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:26:47 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose From: "FyberOptic" Subject: Re: What's wrong with this picture? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=427034928; y=ahntGm92KR_8Rovxv1-pABMl72Ymn8pU-cCZHcOk_e590fHTNScehMo X-Yahoo-Profile: fyberoptic1979 Status: RO Content-Length: 1052 Lines: 39 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "cyranojones_lalp" wrote: > > But there is a lot more wrong than just the yahoo!!! > > I'= ll post the answer later tonight. > > Hint: I thought for sure Fyberoptic = would get it. Well, when I first saw it, I thought the screen looked odd. = Too crisp for a photo or something, you know. But now that you gave a lit= tle hint, it makes me think maybe the emulator's screen is photoshopped on,= from where you customized the display colors? Aha, see, I've never used a= 250 or 350, but I just now Googled what their OS looks like since I know t= hey have a better screen, and the interface looks much nicer than the older= ones. So that's my guess. That, and maybe shopped the casing color too! = > > (This was supposed to be fun, but perhaps I am just > annoying the f= ew people that are left in this group???) > > CJ > Not annoying at all to= me. I just didn't pay close enough attention since I didn't think I knew = anything about those later models to respond! From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 25658 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2010 03:15:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2010 03:15:27 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2010 03:15:27 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2010 03:11:35 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2010 03:11:35 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 03:11:35 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose From: "cyranojones_lalp" Subject: Re: What's wrong with this picture? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=0U2sAKZT6Ml4Ygb80TAydu9R2aumnyPFVlBXFoDD-Is8553HzGCZtFafpg X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 2470 Lines: 98 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "FyberOptic" wrote: = > > Well, when I first saw it, I thought the screen looked odd. > Too cri= sp for a photo or something, you know. But now that > you gave a little h= int, it makes me think maybe the emulator's > screen is photoshopped on, f= rom where you customized the > display colors? Bingo!!!!! But I think we= have to give Govind half the credit for noticing the "Yahoo!" icon. Fort= unately there is no prize to fight over. :-) The hardware appears to be = a "new 150" with blue-lcd, but the screen is really from your emulator run= ning 2.53yr firmware, but using my latest blue-lcd colors that I "eyedrop= pered up" from the original photo. I suppose if I ran the actual 150 firm= ware, you guys would still be guessing. :-) I thought the plain old "Mail= station" logo would the easiest thing to catch, but maybe I'm more aware o= f the differences than "normal" people. :-) I also thought the "too perfe= ct" screen might give it away. The logo with no 100/150/200/250 after "Mai= lstation" means it is one of the earlier 2.xx firmware versions. It did no= t even occur to me that the 150 might not have had the "Yahoo!" feature. = I just checked a real blue-lcd 150, and it does not have "Yahoo!". I dunn= o about the black-lcd 150's, I think they were made before Cidco sold to Ea= rthlink, so they might have it. It's even possible there are 3 different = 150's, because the box for this blue-lcd unit shows a black lcd with logo "= Mailstation 150" on the screen and front edge of keyboard. I can't find my= black-lcd 150 right now, but I am pretty sure it was a "Mivo 150" rather t= han a "Mailstation 150". The blue-lcd 150 says "Mailstation 150" in the lo= go, and doesn't seem to have the battery indicator. AFAIK the blue *case*= was only used on the 150's (both black-lcd and blue-lcd versions). And th= e blue *lcd* was only in the "new 150" & "new 120". (I never have figured= out the difference between 150 & 120, other than case color.) There is n= o way the 2.53 firmware (or the fw from any earlier model) will run on the = blue-lcd hardware. It was kind of glaring to me, but then I thought most= would not know it wouldn't work, and think I had fed the 2.53 fw into a 15= 0. To my knowledge the blue lcd units require the 4.05 fw. And, of course= , if you look close enough, you can see the photo-editing is not perfect. = CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11353 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2010 20:24:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Apr 2010 20:24:20 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (216.224.236.178) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2010 20:24:19 -0000 X-Received: from www.handypage.net (localhost.handypage.net [127.0.0.1]) by www.handypage.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/netmax) with SMTP id o3DKHpJN004095 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:17:51 -0700 X-Received: from 192.168.101.23 (SquirrelMail authenticated user waynem) by www.handypage.net with HTTP; Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:17:51 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <1346.192.168.101.23.1271189871.squirrel@...> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:17:51 -0700 (MST) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal From: waynem@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: What's wrong with this picture? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=t2v8f-m1V1QyQJ8a3wg5xaLthQv3l-rHKCzV05EaoMCgUpjrCjP2Pg X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 2676 Lines: 77 And I was hoping that this would get us a little closer to getting some equipment we could use ????? Does anyone know when the last patents on the mailstations expire ?? Wayne > > > --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "FyberOptic" wrote: >> >> Well, when I first saw it, I thought the screen looked odd. >> Too crisp for a photo or something, you know. But now that >> you gave a little hint, it makes me think maybe the emulator's >> screen is photoshopped on, from where you customized the >> display colors? > > Bingo!!!!! > > But I think we have to give Govind half the credit > for noticing the "Yahoo!" icon. Fortunately there > is no prize to fight over. :-) > > The hardware appears to be a "new 150" with blue-lcd, > but the screen is really from your emulator running > 2.53yr firmware, but using my latest blue-lcd colors > that I "eyedroppered up" from the original photo. > I suppose if I ran the actual 150 firmware, you guys > would still be guessing. :-) > > I thought the plain old "Mailstation" logo > would the easiest thing to catch, but maybe I'm more > aware of the differences than "normal" people. :-) > > I also thought the "too perfect" screen might give it away. > > The logo with no 100/150/200/250 after "Mailstation" > means it is one of the earlier 2.xx firmware versions. > It did not even occur to me that the 150 might not have > had the "Yahoo!" feature. > > I just checked a real blue-lcd 150, and it does not have > "Yahoo!". I dunno about the black-lcd 150's, I think > they were made before Cidco sold to Earthlink, so they > might have it. It's even possible there are 3 different > 150's, because the box for this blue-lcd unit shows a > black lcd with logo "Mailstation 150" on the screen and > front edge of keyboard. I can't find my black-lcd 150 > right now, but I am pretty sure it was a "Mivo 150" rather > than a "Mailstation 150". > > The blue-lcd 150 says "Mailstation 150" in the logo, and > doesn't seem to have the battery indicator. AFAIK the > blue *case* was only used on the 150's (both black-lcd > and blue-lcd versions). And the blue *lcd* was only in > the "new 150" & "new 120". (I never have figured out the > difference between 150 & 120, other than case color.) > > There is no way the 2.53 firmware (or the fw from any > earlier model) will run on the blue-lcd hardware. > > It was kind of glaring to me, but then I thought > most would not know it wouldn't work, and think I had fed > the 2.53 fw into a 150. To my knowledge the blue lcd units > require the 4.05 fw. > > And, of course, if you look close enough, you can see > the photo-editing is not perfect. > > CJ > > > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36157 invoked from network); 10 May 2010 01:08:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2010 01:08:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2010 01:08:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.148] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2010 01:08:10 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t11.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2010 01:08:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 01:08:10 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose From: "Neil" Subject: Mivo 100 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=cJFvPslgHBUwhjBEj1Oq-x1l-GbMAE1etYf8gSgtFJOPA2EqVg X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 280 Lines: 10 I just picked up a DET-1 Mivo 100 on eBay. It's got the Yahoo function whic= h usually lets you change the ISP OK but this one won't. POP and SMTP are b= oth locked on mymailstation.com and I can't get in to change them. Looks li= ke a 2.53Y ROM but still no go. Anyone? Neil From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 36834 invoked from network); 10 May 2010 04:39:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2010 04:39:18 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2010 04:39:18 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.171] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2010 04:38:43 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t13.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 May 2010 04:38:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 04:38:41 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "cyranojones_lalp" Subject: Re: Mivo 100 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=_r2Ow_tNTCs7eumipRlVKBuAcGr3mjXW00ds4TDVlKpJZToxlw1JboXKJQ X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 645 Lines: 36 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" wrote: > > I= just picked up a DET-1 Mivo 100 on eBay. It's got the > Yahoo function wh= ich usually lets you change the ISP OK > but this one won't. Sounds like = it is "locked". I have not noticed any correlation between "un-locked-ness= " and "Yahoo!". I have a bunch with "Yahoo!" that are locked. > POP and = SMTP are both locked on mymailstation.com and > I can't get in to change t= hem. Can you change the other fields? > Looks like a 2.53Y ROM but still= no go. I would expect 2.53Y to be susceptible to the standard methods. I= s it really 2.53YR??? CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 60534 invoked from network); 10 May 2010 07:01:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 May 2010 07:01:49 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pv0-f178.google.com) (74.125.83.178) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 May 2010 07:01:48 -0000 X-Received: by pvc22 with SMTP id 22so17946pvc.9 for ; Mon, 10 May 2010 00:01:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.141.106.12 with SMTP id i12mr2282480rvm.149.1273474897535; Mon, 10 May 2010 00:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from NewBaby (d75-155-133-111.bchsia.telus.net [75.155.133.111]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c16sm1751710rvn.2.2010.05.10.00.01.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 10 May 2010 00:01:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 23:42:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Mivo 100 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=bZqmH8aH7hIopNa4Z3DbjkoZOi-OirDSjAyhs9Yif519AtfZ_A X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 401 Lines: 19 From: cyranojones_lalp > Sounds like it is "locked". I have not noticed any > correlation between "un-locked-ness" and "Yahoo!". > I have a bunch with "Yahoo!" that are locked. That's a pity. I thought the Yahoo ones were fixable. > Can you change the other fields? Yes > I would expect 2.53Y to be susceptible to the > standard methods. Is it really 2.53YR??? Yes it is. So annoying. Neil From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 47589 invoked from network); 13 May 2010 16:58:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 May 2010 16:58:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n40b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.154) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 May 2010 16:58:21 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.149] by n40.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2010 16:53:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.72] by t9.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2010 16:53:55 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 16:53:54 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Neil" Subject: Re: Mivo 100 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=VulylG4fPRGSGP1esj7z7MewQcctSEjR5RsOpBqeuHxYngeKFg X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 374 Lines: 16 I have two units with the 2.53YR Rom that are locked. One with the 2.55Y Ro= m is unlocked. Maybe that's the key? Neil --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.= com, "cyranojones_lalp" wrote: > Sounds like it is= "locked". I have not noticed any > correlation between "un-locked-ness" a= nd "Yahoo!". > I have a bunch with "Yahoo!" that are locked. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 90725 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2010 06:57:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2010 06:57:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n44d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.158) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2010 06:57:53 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1276671366; bh=73ztuJw6PTh1/KIMbmwJEpiSqrc9vFASOfZ9kjsbgtU=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:Date:To:Message-ID:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-Originating-IP:X-Yahoo-Post-IP:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=f3Uhnhf97hxJ3RT7VOiJ6BOqqvBeCWWsvhStA2pm1iCRs7A+6Bw2Szvg85lwsWvtyXfbbyVto4xiXGR3ZZ+Tf1q6KfVQ+wg527YUm9Y9nG07lP47IZvFxqZUuxcTFMVH Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n44.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2010 06:56:06 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2010 06:56:06 -0000 X-Sender: tom.hartsell@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 13098 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2010 12:40:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jun 2010 12:40:35 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2010 12:40:35 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2010 12:40:13 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.33] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2010 12:40:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 12:40:10 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system From: "thartsell" Subject: Confirming that MailStation hack on earthlink still works.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=165974773; y=tRc5S_Q6G8f0piPAqauZxqwa_LuyDKEqoCzK1cQUTXYU1w74 X-Yahoo-Profile: thartsell X-eGroups-Approved-By: searsz80 via web; 16 Jun 2010 06:56:05 -0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 1331 Lines: 36 Despite the claims by all the Indian tech support people at Earthlink, the = Mailstation still works if you're replacing a dead mailstation with a new o= ne using the same account. The arrogant Indians and their supervisors will = tell you it can't be done. That's because the Cidco email server has been t= aken down so they can't send the mailstation an message and set it up autom= atically. But it can be done manually... Let me clarify... Grandma age 90 = had a Mailstation DET1 which finally became inoperable... she had rubbed a= ll the letters off the keys...and had used it for 10 years talking to her c= hildren and grandchildren... We purchased a Mailstation 120 off ebay... di= d the paperclip holding down the function D and pulling the plug thing... = If you google "Is the Mailstation 150 hackable", you'll see the instruction= with a paperclip to get into the mailstation setup screens... From there= , you can set everything as long as you know the password for an existing a= ccount. Just change the ISPaccount to the one you're replacing. There is no= thing inside the machine that is hard coded... Yes it does require an exist= ing Earthlink account with a fixed DNS. We now have a new machine for Gran= dma. She's 90 now and doesn't have to learn how to type with her thumbs... = Hope this helps... From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: musicalman77@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 30556 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2010 15:55:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2010 15:55:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n43d.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.169.157) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2010 15:55:59 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n43.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2010 15:52:36 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2010 15:52:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:52:35 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose From: "musicalman77" Subject: Re: Confirming that MailStation hack on earthlink still works.. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189279481; y=EJNK5ksh-2pd7GWNQpFdgQtecm7UnVTm_wymQuI1XZsJ_aBVbBjy X-Yahoo-Profile: musicalman77 Status: RO Content-Length: 2302 Lines: 60 Wow! Thanks for that info. Mom's is still plugging along so far; she is 92= and terminal with end-stage renal disease, so I suspect the MailStation wi= ll outlast her (although she has been like the "Energizer Bunny" and fooled= everyone including her doctors for nine years now!). But I have wondered,= "What will we do" if her machine goes out or if EL pulls the plug altogeth= er on its existing users. It's nice to know there are options, doing a hac= k an a new machine being one. Another, and I'm not sure if it's still vali= d since the post was from 2008, but Patrick Forbes on this board had lined = his mom out with a new, better and cheaper ISP for the service and made the= machine work with it. You can read the appropriate post here: http://tec= h.groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/message/872 Thanks again for the info= ! ~Jon --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "thartsell" = wrote: > > Despite the claims by all the Indian tech support people at Ear= thlink, the Mailstation still works if you're replacing a dead mailstation = with a new one using the same account. The arrogant Indians and their super= visors will tell you it can't be done. That's because the Cidco email serve= r has been taken down so they can't send the mailstation an message and set= it up automatically. But it can be done manually... > > Let me clarify...= Grandma age 90 had a Mailstation DET1 which finally became inoperable... >= > she had rubbed all the letters off the keys...and had used it for 10 ye= ars talking to her children and grandchildren... > > We purchased a Mailst= ation 120 off ebay... did the paperclip holding down the function D and pul= ling the plug thing... > > If you google "Is the Mailstation 150 hackable"= , you'll see the instruction with a paperclip to get into the mailstation s= etup screens... > > From there, you can set everything as long as you kno= w the password > for an existing account. Just change the ISPaccount to the= one you're replacing. There is nothing inside the machine that is hard cod= ed... > Yes it does require an existing Earthlink account with a fixed DNS.= > > We now have a new machine for Grandma. She's 90 now and doesn't have = to learn how to type with her thumbs... > > Hope this helps... > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 64510 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2010 01:15:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2010 01:15:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n37b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.151) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2010 01:15:35 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1280538880; bh=680cJDl1HRYhLQE0SAfsZT+Qx8wrOAcZbY3A5Ifg+cc=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:Date:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:X-Yahoo-Post-IP:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=Yfq5rNTfRVbtZhuLqcEVGE/DpvixC+CNyUiSqFH0Sm6djIFZUzulRcUUg+D653CZeCZuN6iQ4N3+4kOiw1mf/BbNk/S4xQPDahNMHflUlGWN2VqLdhTiDxl35M/sQ7/F Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n37.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2010 01:14:40 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2010 01:14:40 -0000 X-Sender: unit_0_0_1@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 56044 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2010 02:59:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m12.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jul 2010 02:59:14 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n45b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.159) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2010 02:59:13 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n45.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2010 02:59:02 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jul 2010 02:59:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 02:59:01 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "Andrea B" Subject: What is the MailStation hack on earthlink? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=137401227; y=W4jmmj61aO5r3yo5A77PO_8ar3qc2lnZrDvudocHQbC6ZPdttQ X-Yahoo-Profile: unit_0_0_1 X-eGroups-Approved-By: cyranojones_lalp via web; 31 Jul 2010 01:14:39 -0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 4357 Lines: 119 OK, I feel really bad asking this, because I'm sure based on the title = of this thread that it has been answered a thousand times before. However,= I had the fortune of snagging a Mailstation 150 (V4.05D Earthlink model) f= rom a thrift store for my 90-year-old grandmother to use. This was great s= ince I had already tried to get her to use a computer but could not get her= beyond clicking the mouse and moving it at the same time. With a Mailstat= ion, she can just correspond; simple. I had the misfortune of calling Eart= hlink support and talking to one of their snooty Indians (I don't know what= his problem was, I'm a paying Earthlink cable customer). Anyway, I just c= alled them to ask for an SMTP server that was not requiring authorization (= since I doubt the Mailstation supports it). He practically spat at me the = smtp.mailstation.com server before I could get him to understand I am diali= ng in to Earthlink dial-up with it. I have successfully dialed in and been= able to retrieve messages from the POP server, but can not manage to send = any messages (Get a server busy error after already connected, I assume it = is bad authentication, no port 587). I have already done the Fn+D reset,= pull plug to get into the new account setup, but don't want to keep doing = that every time I configure it wrong. Below are the settings I currently h= ave, could somebody please tell me what I have set wrong? Username: Grandm= a's Name Dial-up: 5132764492 (Cincinnati Earthlink dial-up#) Reply-to: blan= k ___________________________________________________ E-Mail Address: "user= "@... E-mail Password: ******** POP3 Server: pop.earthlink.net SM= TP Server: smtpauth.earthlink.net ISP Account: "user"@... ISP Pas= sword: ******** Primary DNS: 8.8.8.8 (this is one of Google's DNS servers) = Thanks in advance, -Annie PS: The Indians at Dell support are so much mo= re polite. --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "musicalman77" wrote: > > Wow! Thanks for that info. Mom's is still plugging along= so far; she is 92 and terminal with end-stage renal disease, so I suspect = the MailStation will outlast her (although she has been like the "Energizer= Bunny" and fooled everyone including her doctors for nine years now!). Bu= t I have wondered, "What will we do" if her machine goes out or if EL pulls= the plug altogether on its existing users. It's nice to know there are op= tions, doing a hack an a new machine being one. Another, and I'm not sure = if it's still valid since the post was from 2008, but Patrick Forbes on thi= s board had lined his mom out with a new, better and cheaper ISP for the se= rvice and made the machine work with it. You can read the appropriate post= here: > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/message/872 > >= Thanks again for the info! > > ~Jon > > --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.c= om, "thartsell" wrote: > > > > Despite the claims by all th= e Indian tech support people at Earthlink, the Mailstation still works if y= ou're replacing a dead mailstation with a new one using the same account. T= he arrogant Indians and their supervisors will tell you it can't be done. T= hat's because the Cidco email server has been taken down so they can't send= the mailstation an message and set it up automatically. But it can be done= manually... > > > > Let me clarify... Grandma age 90 had a Mailstation DE= T1 which finally became inoperable... > > > > she had rubbed all the lette= rs off the keys...and had used it for 10 years talking to her children and = grandchildren... > > > > We purchased a Mailstation 120 off ebay... did th= e paperclip holding down the function D and pulling the plug thing... > > = > > If you google "Is the Mailstation 150 hackable", you'll see the instruc= tion with a paperclip to get into the mailstation setup screens... > > > = > From there, you can set everything as long as you know the password > > f= or an existing account. Just change the ISPaccount to the one you're replac= ing. There is nothing inside the machine that is hard coded... > > Yes it d= oes require an existing Earthlink account with a fixed DNS. > > > > We now= have a new machine for Grandma. She's 90 now and doesn't have to learn how= to type with her thumbs... > > > > Hope this helps... > > > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom.hartsell@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 26309 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2010 13:46:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Nov 2010 13:46:22 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n38b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.152) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2010 13:46:22 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n38.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2010 13:46:21 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Nov 2010 13:46:21 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 13:46:20 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose From: "thartsell" Subject: Re: What is the MailStation hack on earthlink? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=165974773; y=1qyv9CSt1_HDij5eyFbzFYcft4U0_LJSTlhcJbI6mAcfu81W X-Yahoo-Profile: thartsell Status: RO Content-Length: 5178 Lines: 146 I'm not sure the mailstation can function with an Earthlink account. We ha= d a mailstation.com account since we started with Cidco.... (which they wil= l no longer open a new account but they don't cut it off as long as we've c= ontinued paying the bill and not let it lapse). Our smtp server is smtp.mai= lstation.com. Also the DNS has to be static I think. The port issue is the = killer also and that's the one thing I don't think you can change. You mig= ht try changing isp's as listed in the other post. Might be your only bet..= .. http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/message/872 All the be= st. --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Andrea B" wrot= e: > > > > > OK, > > I feel really bad asking this, because I'm sure ba= sed on the title of this thread that it has been answered a thousand times = before. However, I had the fortune of snagging a Mailstation 150 (V4.05D E= arthlink model) from a thrift store for my 90-year-old grandmother to use. = This was great since I had already tried to get her to use a computer but = could not get her beyond clicking the mouse and moving it at the same time.= With a Mailstation, she can just correspond; simple. > > I had the misfo= rtune of calling Earthlink support and talking to one of their snooty India= ns (I don't know what his problem was, I'm a paying Earthlink cable custome= r). Anyway, I just called them to ask for an SMTP server that was not requ= iring authorization (since I doubt the Mailstation supports it). He practi= cally spat at me the smtp.mailstation.com server before I could get him to = understand I am dialing in to Earthlink dial-up with it. I have successful= ly dialed in and been able to retrieve messages from the POP server, but ca= n not manage to send any messages (Get a server busy error after already co= nnected, I assume it is bad authentication, no port 587). > > I have alr= eady done the Fn+D reset, pull plug to get into the new account setup, but = don't want to keep doing that every time I configure it wrong. Below are t= he settings I currently have, could somebody please tell me what I have set= wrong? > > Username: Grandma's Name > Dial-up: 5132764492 (Cincinnati Ear= thlink dial-up#) > Reply-to: blank > ______________________________________= _____________ > E-Mail Address: "user"@... > E-mail Password: ***= ***** > POP3 Server: pop.earthlink.net > SMTP Server: smtpauth.earthlink.ne= t > ISP Account: "user"@... > ISP Password: ******** > Primary DN= S: 8.8.8.8 (this is one of Google's DNS servers) > > Thanks in advance, > = > -Annie > > PS: The Indians at Dell support are so much more polite. > = > --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "musicalman77" wrote:= > > > > Wow! Thanks for that info. Mom's is still plugging along so far; = she is 92 and terminal with end-stage renal disease, so I suspect the MailS= tation will outlast her (although she has been like the "Energizer Bunny" a= nd fooled everyone including her doctors for nine years now!). But I have = wondered, "What will we do" if her machine goes out or if EL pulls the plug= altogether on its existing users. It's nice to know there are options, do= ing a hack an a new machine being one. Another, and I'm not sure if it's s= till valid since the post was from 2008, but Patrick Forbes on this board h= ad lined his mom out with a new, better and cheaper ISP for the service and= made the machine work with it. You can read the appropriate post here: > = > > > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/message/872 > > > > = Thanks again for the info! > > > > ~Jon > > > > --- In mailstation@yahoog= roups.com, "thartsell" wrote: > > > > > > Despite the claim= s by all the Indian tech support people at Earthlink, the Mailstation still= works if you're replacing a dead mailstation with a new one using the same= account. The arrogant Indians and their supervisors will tell you it can't= be done. That's because the Cidco email server has been taken down so they= can't send the mailstation an message and set it up automatically. But it = can be done manually... > > > > > > Let me clarify... Grandma age 90 had a= Mailstation DET1 which finally became inoperable... > > > > > > she had r= ubbed all the letters off the keys...and had used it for 10 years talking t= o her children and grandchildren... > > > > > > We purchased a Mailstation= 120 off ebay... did the paperclip holding down the function D and pulling = the plug thing... > > > > > > If you google "Is the Mailstation 150 hackab= le", you'll see the instruction with a paperclip to get into the mailstatio= n setup screens... > > > > > > From there, you can set everything as long= as you know the password > > > for an existing account. Just change the IS= Paccount to the one you're replacing. There is nothing inside the machine t= hat is hard coded... > > > Yes it does require an existing Earthlink accoun= t with a fixed DNS. > > > > > > We now have a new machine for Grandma. She= 's 90 now and doesn't have to learn how to type with her thumbs... > > > >= > > Hope this helps... > > > > > > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jonk@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 2566 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2011 07:36:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jun 2011 07:36:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO homiemail-a48.g.dreamhost.com) (208.113.200.5) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2011 07:36:28 -0000 X-Received: from homiemail-a48.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a48.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E38704F805C for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2011 00:36:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from Jon-ThinkPad.ftrdhcpuser.net (static-50-53-139-17.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net [50.53.139.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jonk@...) by homiemail-a48.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8604C4F805B for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2011 00:36:26 -0700 (PDT) To: Mailstation list Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 00:36:35 -0700 Organization: Infinite Factors Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jon Kirwan Subject: I developed a small module to transfer saved files from the Mailstation into a PC via USB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=323600762; y=-XdciRZMeM7PHSpTpJiXF_lUw20aMoV9le-UDS35ostiG9wvhw X-Yahoo-Profile: jondkirwan Status: RO Content-Length: 1060 Lines: 37 I started a project two weeks ago to help me transfer saved email files fro= m Mailstation units into PC's using the USB ports that are usually availabl= e. It connects to the printer port on the Mailstation unit and uses the st= andard "print" button to start the transfer. (A program does need to be ru= nning on the PC to capture the file and save it, but it uses a virtual COM = port over the USB so any serial port capturing program can be used [or easi= ly written using VB, for example.]) It's cheap to build so I wouldn't mind= making more if anyone is interested. Basically, it's a USB-powered module= (circuit) that has a USB connector and a parallel port connector and once = the virtual COM port software is installed you just snap in the USB cable o= n one end and the Mailstation on the other and the PC acts like a printer t= o it. Except that it can save the ASCII text to a file, of course. Schema= tics, parts, and software would be available to those wanting to try their = own hand building these. They aren't complex to do. Jon From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: tom.hartsell@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 10958 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2011 11:59:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2011 11:59:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2011 11:59:37 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2011 11:59:36 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.155] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jun 2011 11:59:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2011 11:59:35 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose From: "thartsell" Subject: Re: I developed a small module to transfer saved files from the Mailstation into a PC via USB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=165974773; y=tvU3FXK0JM8pGfslUKZBk7Qt0Oa-0ZuFx7EtT1W22Ch1kTQ2 X-Yahoo-Profile: thartsell Status: RO Content-Length: 1541 Lines: 53 Looks like a cool project especially since I'm an electronics guy but I'm h= aving enough trouble keeping 91 year old mother-in-law from pulling the tel= ephone line out of the wall or putting the batteries in backwards... wouldn= 't EVEN want to try to teach her something new. At some point I'll get thes= e back and will have a chance to play with it. --- In mailstation@yahoog= roups.com, Jon Kirwan wrote: > > I started a project two weeks a= go to help me transfer saved > email files from Mailstation units into PC's= using the USB > ports that are usually available. It connects to the prin= ter > port on the Mailstation unit and uses the standard "print" > button t= o start the transfer. (A program does need to be > running on the PC to ca= pture the file and save it, but it > uses a virtual COM port over the USB s= o any serial port > capturing program can be used [or easily written using = VB, > for example.]) > > It's cheap to build so I wouldn't mind making mor= e if anyone > is interested. Basically, it's a USB-powered module > (circu= it) that has a USB connector and a parallel port > connector and once the v= irtual COM port software is installed > you just snap in the USB cable on o= ne end and the Mailstation > on the other and the PC acts like a printer to= it. Except > that it can save the ASCII text to a file, of course. > > S= chematics, parts, and software would be available to those > wanting to try= their own hand building these. They aren't > complex to do. > > Jon > = From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: brad@... 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(brad@...@[75.189.244.59]) by 72.5.54.127 with ESMTPS (AES256-SHA encrypted); 4 Jun 2011 12:23:53 -0000 Message-ID: <4DEA24C4.2040903@...> Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2011 08:27:48 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070607050708070109060106" X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Brad Fayette Subject: Re: [mailstation] I developed a small module to transfer saved files from the Mailstation into a PC via USB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=280889770; y=zLS8Ogi0ixY8hw8YIwFyno5G0sIU9eLGDk0wDF9do96bWMtPhus X-Yahoo-Profile: bradfayette Status: RO Content-Length: 3973 Lines: 109 --------------070607050708070109060106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jon, This sounds like a very cool device that would have applications beyond the mailstation. I would be interested in learning more about it. Thanks! Regards, Brad FayetteThis actually On 06/03/2011 03:36 AM, Jon Kirwan wrote: > > I started a project two weeks ago to help me transfer saved > email files from Mailstation units into PC's using the USB > ports that are usually available. It connects to the printer > port on the Mailstation unit and uses the standard "print" > button to start the transfer. (A program does need to be > running on the PC to capture the file and save it, but it > uses a virtual COM port over the USB so any serial port > capturing program can be used [or easily written using VB, > for example.]) > > It's cheap to build so I wouldn't mind making more if anyone > is interested. Basically, it's a USB-powered module > (circuit) that has a USB connector and a parallel port > connector and once the virtual COM port software is installed > you just snap in the USB cable on one end and the Mailstation > on the other and the PC acts like a printer to it. Except > that it can save the ASCII text to a file, of course. > > Schematics, parts, and software would be available to those > wanting to try their own hand building these. They aren't > complex to do. > > Jon > > --------------070607050708070109060106 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jon,

          This sounds like a very cool device that would have applications beyond the mailstation. I would be interested in learning more about it.  Thanks!
          Regards,

Brad FayetteThis actually

          On 06/03/2011 03:36 AM, Jon Kirwan wrote:
           

          I started a project two weeks ago to help me transfer saved
          email files from Mailstation units into PC's using the USB
          ports that are usually available. It connects to the printer
          port on the Mailstation unit and uses the standard "print"
          button to start the transfer. (A program does need to be
          running on the PC to capture the file and save it, but it
          uses a virtual COM port over the USB so any serial port
          capturing program can be used [or easily written using VB,
          for example.])

          It's cheap to build so I wouldn't mind making more if anyone
          is interested. Basically, it's a USB-powered module
          (circuit) that has a USB connector and a parallel port
          connector and once the virtual COM port software is installed
          you just snap in the USB cable on one end and the Mailstation
          on the other and the PC acts like a printer to it. Except
          that it can save the ASCII text to a file, of course.

          Schematics, parts, and software would be available to those
          wanting to try their own hand building these. They aren't
          complex to do.

          Jon

          --------------070607050708070109060106-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jonk@... 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Hehe. Well, there is that!!= It's a simple device, though. I'm working on some .NET software for the P= C end to make that even easier to use and apply (seemless, I hope.) Jon = >--- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, Jon Kirwan wrote: >> >> I s= tarted a project two weeks ago to help me transfer saved >> email files fro= m Mailstation units into PC's using the USB >> ports that are usually avail= able. It connects to the printer >> port on the Mailstation unit and uses = the standard "print" >> button to start the transfer. (A program does need= to be >> running on the PC to capture the file and save it, but it >> uses= a virtual COM port over the USB so any serial port >> capturing program ca= n be used [or easily written using VB, >> for example.]) >> >> It's cheap = to build so I wouldn't mind making more if anyone >> is interested. Basica= lly, it's a USB-powered module >> (circuit) that has a USB connector and a = parallel port >> connector and once the virtual COM port software is instal= led >> you just snap in the USB cable on one end and the Mailstation >> on = the other and the PC acts like a printer to it. Except >> that it can save= the ASCII text to a file, of course. >> >> Schematics, parts, and softwar= e would be available to those >> wanting to try their own hand building the= se. They aren't >> complex to do. >> >> Jon >> > > > > >-----------------= ------------------- > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jonk@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 11672 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2011 14:18:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jun 2011 14:18:59 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO hapkido.dreamhost.com) (66.33.216.122) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2011 14:18:59 -0000 X-Received: from homiemail-a55.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by hapkido.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15EAA17B230 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2011 07:18:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from homiemail-a55.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a55.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79D3012C05D for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2011 07:18:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from Jon-ThinkPad.ftrdhcpuser.net (static-50-53-139-17.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net [50.53.139.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jonk@...) by homiemail-a55.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1E66412C05C for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2011 07:18:51 -0700 (PDT) To: Mailstation list Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2011 07:19:02 -0700 Organization: Infinite Factors Message-ID: References: <4DEA24C4.2040903@...> In-Reply-To: <4DEA24C4.2040903@...> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jon Kirwan Subject: Re: [mailstation] I developed a small module to transfer saved files from the Mailstation into a PC via USB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=323600762; y=0eaPHocDXY23q-zekuDJtsDnLoh_LQQRbA_dXIkKlASXZxYPdQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jondkirwan Status: RO Content-Length: 4110 Lines: 151 On Sat, 04 Jun 2011 08:27:48 -0400, Brad Fayette wrote: >This sounds like = a very cool device that would have applications beyond >the mailstation. I= would be interested in learning more about it. Thanks! Well, the parts a= re the following: 1) TI MSP430 Launchpad tool -- I paid $4.30 and that'= s with shipping costs to my door, included in the price. https://est= ore.ti.com/MSP-EXP430G2-MSP430-LaunchPad-Value-Line-Development-kit-P2031.a= spx 2) DB25 male connector (had one in a drawer.) 3) fragment of vec= tor board. 4) one 3.9k resistor 5) eight 10k resistors 6) one 47k = resistor 7) one 560pF 8) wire, solder, soldering iron, pliers, etc. = The TI MSP430 Launchpad board comes with two cpus. The MSP430G2231 and the= MSP430G2211. Both are 14 pin devices. It also comes with a 32kHz crystal,= 2 sets of male and female 10-pin connectors for my vector board as a daugh= ter card above it, and a USB cable. I could have ordered a 20-pin MSP430 d= evice and added 6 more I/O pins to use -- might have been enough to do ever= ything with one micro that way. But I decided that since I still needed th= at vector board to mount the DB25 on... that I might was well just use the = parts that actually come in the kit. To get the needed I/O I had to use bot= h cpus. The daughter board cpu has access to the parallel port and use= s port 1 (P1) to read in the 8 data bits when strobed. It also has two mor= e I/O pins plus an NMI input. I use the NMI as the /STROBE input and trigg= er on falling edge. The other two I/O pins serve as BUSY and ACK. To comm= unicate with the main board's cpu, the BUSY line is copied down via the con= nector to one of pins there. Also, two of the 8 data bus pins perform doub= le-duty: as data from the parallel port when BUSY is not active and when B= USY is active, the two cpus uses two of the 8 lines as CLOCK and DATA to tr= ansfer the byte over (that's about all the spare pins on the main board, as= it uses P2's pins for the 32kHz xtal and two more for TxD and RxD into the= virtual com port into the PC and some for LEDs and for switches. There ar= e many other interesting details and calculations involved, but that should= get the basic idea across. Software for both cpus is done and working fin= e and I've been shipping files across without difficulty. Basically, this = takes advantage of the heavy lifting already done by an EXTREMELY cheap dev= elopment board put out by TI, adding software, vector board, a connector, a= nd a few cheap passives. The whole project, from initial decision to start= until finished and working software and in spare time only, was a little o= ver two weeks. Thought it might be a good idea on the 13th of May. Had no= exact idea at the time how to do it; only a rough feasibility check given = I/O pins available and a few thoughts about how I might go about it. Jon = > > >On 06/03/2011 03:36 AM, Jon Kirwan wrote: >> >> I started a project = two weeks ago to help me transfer saved >> email files from Mailstation uni= ts into PC's using the USB >> ports that are usually available. It connects= to the printer >> port on the Mailstation unit and uses the standard "prin= t" >> button to start the transfer. (A program does need to be >> running o= n the PC to capture the file and save it, but it >> uses a virtual COM port= over the USB so any serial port >> capturing program can be used [or easil= y written using VB, >> for example.]) >> >> It's cheap to build so I wouldn= 't mind making more if anyone >> is interested. Basically, it's a USB-power= ed module >> (circuit) that has a USB connector and a parallel port >> conn= ector and once the virtual COM port software is installed >> you just snap = in the USB cable on one end and the Mailstation >> on the other and the PC = acts like a printer to it. Except >> that it can save the ASCII text to a f= ile, of course. >> >> Schematics, parts, and software would be available to= those >> wanting to try their own hand building these. They aren't >> comp= lex to do. >> >> Jon >> >> From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: musicalman77@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39474 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2011 16:54:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2011 16:54:41 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2011 16:54:40 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.150] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2011 16:54:40 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by t7.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2011 16:54:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:54:38 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "musicalman77" Subject: Re: I developed a small module to transfer saved files from the Mailstation into a PC via USB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189279481; y=9ldZecVPQ05Eo_6uo8YaRxLbTrb9KcfAqUmXPoRoUmdR4FL7Fu-B X-Yahoo-Profile: musicalman77 Status: RO Content-Length: 2192 Lines: 67 Jon, That is SO cool! Twice now I really could've used that. My sister an= d I arranged for a "card party" for mom's 90th and 93rd birthdays and were = looking for an easy way to get her MailStation address book exported so we = could e-mail her contacts from a real PC, easily and without her knowledge.= The way I overcame it was by printing out her addy list using the printer = port on her MailStation (hooked up to an old HP4L laser printer I had with = a DB-25), then scanning the hard copy prints using OCR, but as you can imag= ine, this two-step process was somewhat slow and it still took some editing= & proofing hassle. Your toy would've been SOOOOO much faster, easier & 10= 0% accurate. Mom passed away February 21, a week short of that 93rd birthd= ay, and I now have her MailStation. Not sure what to do with it. May sell = it on eBay someday but for now, keeping it for sentimental reasons. Your p= roject looks like fun & fairly inexpensive! Keep us posted. ~Jon (that's m= e also!) --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, Jon Kirwan wrote: = > > I started a project two weeks ago to help me transfer saved > email fil= es from Mailstation units into PC's using the USB > ports that are usually = available. It connects to the printer > port on the Mailstation unit and u= ses the standard "print" > button to start the transfer. (A program does n= eed to be > running on the PC to capture the file and save it, but it > use= s a virtual COM port over the USB so any serial port > capturing program ca= n be used [or easily written using VB, > for example.]) > > It's cheap to = build so I wouldn't mind making more if anyone > is interested. Basically,= it's a USB-powered module > (circuit) that has a USB connector and a paral= lel port > connector and once the virtual COM port software is installed > = you just snap in the USB cable on one end and the Mailstation > on the othe= r and the PC acts like a printer to it. Except > that it can save the ASCI= I text to a file, of course. > > Schematics, parts, and software would be = available to those > wanting to try their own hand building these. They ar= en't > complex to do. > > Jon > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jonk@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 16495 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2011 18:10:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.106) by m17.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2011 18:10:56 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO homiemail-a59.g.dreamhost.com) (208.113.200.5) by mta2.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2011 18:10:56 -0000 X-Received: from homiemail-a59.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a59.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB0C7564058 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 11:10:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from Jon-ThinkPad.ftrdhcpuser.net (static-50-53-139-17.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net [50.53.139.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jonk@...) by homiemail-a59.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7EB2A564057 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 11:10:54 -0700 (PDT) To: Mailstation list Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 11:11:04 -0700 Organization: Infinite Factors Message-ID: <95hnu6l4prt3a9ea4bojn3pn6mrs5tb33n@...> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jon Kirwan Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: I developed a small module to transfer saved files from the Mailstation into a PC via USB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=323600762; y=UYFqXOvCXL9ijQHgH3f-PkeRTnGFuVcEp_R71lHk6RSA9FHHzA X-Yahoo-Profile: jondkirwan Status: RO Content-Length: 4075 Lines: 143 If interested in selling the unit, let me know. I will be making more of t= hese things and may as well find good homes for the combined devices. They= aren't just for old people, with this. The Mailstation is very convenient= (AA batteries, light weight, low cost) to use anytime one is sitting at th= e doctor's office waiting, or anywhere it's likely one has time to kill (on= rail transport or a bus, etc) and would like to write with the idea that i= f the device is lost or stolen it's not several hundreds of dollars of loss= . The Kindle is great for reading. But it is useless if you want to produ= ce writing content, for example.. Anyway, I'm going to start producing a f= inished product for these and collecting up those units people want to disp= ose of for whatever reasons. Probably not to sell, so much, as to give awa= y as presents for those I think would get some use out of it. I purchased = some from Office Depot when they were dumping them at $5 each. Crazy good = price. Too bad that supply is gone! I may, at some point, go further and = design a unit that ties in via the phone connector and lets it think it is = dialing Earthlink so that I can facilitate a two-way transfer between PC an= d the unit. Make it look like a file system on USB so that files can be dr= agged and dropped onto (or off of) it. But that's for another day. I used = this project to continue teaching my son more about electronics, embedded s= oftware, reading and finding appropriate documentation and using it well, c= reating associated documentation for a final completion, testing and using = oscilloscopes and other tools, soldering, etc. It was a great experience f= or him (and for me.) Jon On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:54:38 -0000, you wrote: = >Jon, > >That is SO cool! Twice now I really could've used that. My siste= r and I arranged for a "card party" for mom's 90th and 93rd birthdays and w= ere looking for an easy way to get her MailStation address book exported so= we could e-mail her contacts from a real PC, easily and without her knowle= dge. The way I overcame it was by printing out her addy list using the prin= ter port on her MailStation (hooked up to an old HP4L laser printer I had w= ith a DB-25), then scanning the hard copy prints using OCR, but as you can = imagine, this two-step process was somewhat slow and it still took some edi= ting & proofing hassle. Your toy would've been SOOOOO much faster, easier = & 100% accurate. > >Mom passed away February 21, a week short of that 93rd = birthday, and I now have her MailStation. Not sure what to do with it. May= sell it on eBay someday but for now, keeping it for sentimental reasons. >= >Your project looks like fun & fairly inexpensive! Keep us posted. > >~Jon= (that's me also!) > >--- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, Jon Kirwan wrote: >> >> I started a project two weeks ago to help me transfer sav= ed >> email files from Mailstation units into PC's using the USB >> ports t= hat are usually available. It connects to the printer >> port on the Mails= tation unit and uses the standard "print" >> button to start the transfer. = (A program does need to be >> running on the PC to capture the file and sa= ve it, but it >> uses a virtual COM port over the USB so any serial port >>= capturing program can be used [or easily written using VB, >> for example.= ]) >> >> It's cheap to build so I wouldn't mind making more if anyone >> i= s interested. Basically, it's a USB-powered module >> (circuit) that has a= USB connector and a parallel port >> connector and once the virtual COM po= rt software is installed >> you just snap in the USB cable on one end and t= he Mailstation >> on the other and the PC acts like a printer to it. Excep= t >> that it can save the ASCII text to a file, of course. >> >> Schematic= s, parts, and software would be available to those >> wanting to try their = own hand building these. They aren't >> complex to do. >> >> Jon >> > > >= > >------------------------------------ > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: kjoanne403@... 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I thought they were a good i= dea when I bought them off eBay but then I couldn't get either one online,= so if you can use them, they're yours. If you could pay the shipping, th= ough, when I find out how much it is, I'd appreciate that. Kelly ____= ____________________________ From: Jon Kirwan To= : Mailstation list Sent: Sun, June 5, 2011 12= :11:04 PM Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: I developed a small module to tran= sfer saved files from the Mailstation into a PC via USB If interested = in selling the unit, let me know. I will be making more of these things an= d may as well find good homes for the combined devices. They aren't just f= or old people, with this. The Mailstation is very convenient (AA batteries= , light weight, low cost) to use anytime one is sitting at the doctor's off= ice waiting, or anywhere it's likely one has time to kill (on rail transpor= t or a bus, etc) and would like to write with the idea that if the device i= s lost or stolen it's not several hundreds of dollars of loss. The Kindle = is great for reading. But it is useless if you want to produce writing con= tent, for example.. Anyway, I'm going to start producing a finished produc= t for these and collecting up those units people want to dispose of for wha= tever reasons. Probably not to sell, so much, as to give away as presents = for those I think would get some use out of it. I purchased some from Offi= ce Depot when they were dumping them at $5 each. Crazy good price. Too ba= d that supply is gone! I may, at some point, go further and design a unit = that ties in via the phone connector and lets it think it is dialing Earthl= ink so that I can facilitate a two-way transfer between PC and the unit. M= ake it look like a file system on USB so that files can be dragged and drop= ped onto (or off of) it. But that's for another day. I used this project t= o continue teaching my son more about electronics, embedded software, readi= ng and finding appropriate documentation and using it well, creating associ= ated documentation for a final completion, testing and using oscilloscopes = and other tools, soldering, etc. It was a great experience for him (and fo= r me.) Jon On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:54:38 -0000, you wrote: >Jon, > >That = is SO cool! Twice now I really could've used that. My sister and I >arran= ged for a "card party" for mom's 90th and 93rd birthdays and were looking = >for an easy way to get her MailStation address book exported so we could e= -mail >her contacts from a real PC, easily and without her knowledge. The = way I >overcame it was by printing out her addy list using the printer por= t on her >MailStation (hooked up to an old HP4L laser printer I had with a= DB-25), then >scanning the hard copy prints using OCR, but as you can ima= gine, this two-step >process was somewhat slow and it still took some edit= ing & proofing hassle. >Your toy would've been SOOOOO much faster, easier= & 100% accurate. > >Mom passed away February 21, a week short of that 93rd= birthday, and I now have >her MailStation. Not sure what to do with it. = May sell it on eBay someday but >for now, keeping it for sentimental reaso= ns. > >Your project looks like fun & fairly inexpensive! Keep us posted. > = >~Jon (that's me also!) > >--- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, Jon Kirwan <= jonk@...> wrote: >> >> I started a project two weeks ago to help me transfe= r saved >> email files from Mailstation units into PC's using the USB >> po= rts that are usually available. It connects to the printer >> port on the = Mailstation unit and uses the standard "print" >> button to start the trans= fer. (A program does need to be >> running on the PC to capture the file a= nd save it, but it >> uses a virtual COM port over the USB so any serial po= rt >> capturing program can be used [or easily written using VB, >> for exa= mple.]) >> >> It's cheap to build so I wouldn't mind making more if anyone= >> is interested. Basically, it's a USB-powered module >> (circuit) that = has a USB connector and a parallel port >> connector and once the virtual C= OM port software is installed >> you just snap in the USB cable on one end = and the Mailstation >> on the other and the PC acts like a printer to it. = Except >> that it can save the ASCII text to a file, of course. >> >> Sche= matics, parts, and software would be available to those >> wanting to try t= heir own hand building these. They aren't >> complex to do. >> >> Jon >> = > > > > >------------------------------------ > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > = --0-2135039473-1307334216=:44414 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
          Hi Jon,
          I have two of them that you can have.  I thought they we= re a good idea when I bought them off eBay but then I couldn't get either o= ne online, so if you can use them, they're yours.  If you could pay th= e shipping, though, when I find out how much it is, I'd appreciate that.Kelly


          From: Jo= n Kirwan
          To: Mailstation list Sent: Sun, June 5, 20= 11 12:11:04 PM
          Subject:= Re: [mailstation] Re: I developed a small module to transfer saved files f= rom the Mailstation into a PC via USB

           
          =

          If interested in selling the unit, let me know. I will be
          makin= g more of these things and may as well find good homes
          for the combined= devices.

          They aren't just for old people, with this. The Mailsta= tion
          is very convenient (AA batteries, light weight, low cost) to
          u= se anytime one is sitting at the doctor's office waiting, or
          anywhere i= t's likely one has time to kill (on rail transport
          or a bus, etc) and w= ould like to write with the idea that if
          the device is lost or stolen i= t's not several hundreds of
          dollars of loss.

          The Kindle is gre= at for reading. But it is useless if you
          want to produce writing conte= nt, for example..

          Anyway, I'm going to start producing a finished = product for
          these and collecting up those units people want to dispose = of
          for whatever reasons. Probably not to sell, so much, as to
          give= away as presents for those I think would get some use
          out of it.
          <= br> I purchased some from Office Depot when they were dumping
          them at $= 5 each. Crazy good price. Too bad that supply is
          gone!

          I may= , at some point, go further and design a unit that ties
          in via the phon= e connector and lets it think it is dialing
          Earthlink so that I can fac= ilitate a two-way transfer between
          PC and the unit. Make it look like = a file system on USB so
          that files can be dragged and dropped onto (or = off of) it.
          But that's for another day.

          I used this project to= continue teaching my son more about
          electronics, embedded software, re= ading and finding
          appropriate documentation and using it well, creating=
          associated documentation for a final completion, testing and
          using= oscilloscopes and other tools, soldering, etc. It was
          a great experie= nce for him (and for me.)

          Jon

          On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:54:3= 8 -0000, you wrote:

          >Jon,
          >
          >That is SO cool! Twi= ce now I really could've used that. My sister and I arranged for a "card p= arty" for mom's 90th and 93rd birthdays and were looking for an easy way to= get her MailStation address book exported so we could e-mail her contacts = from a real PC, easily and without her knowledge. The way I overcame it was= by printing out her addy list using the printer port on her MailStation (h= ooked up to an old HP4L laser printer I had with a DB-25), then scanning th= e hard copy prints using OCR, but as you can imagine, this two-step process= was somewhat slow and it still took some editing & proofing hassle. Y= our toy would've been SOOOOO much faster, easier & 100% accurate.
          &= gt;
          >Mom passed away February 21, a week short of that 93rd birthday= , and I now have her MailStation. Not sure what to do with it. May sell it= on eBay someday but for now, keeping it for sentimental reasons.
          ><= br> >Your project looks like fun & fairly inexpensive! Keep us poste= d.
          >
          >~Jon (that's me also!)
          >
          >--- In mailstation@yahoogroups= .com, Jon Kirwan wrote:
          >>
          >> I st= arted a project two weeks ago to help me transfer saved
          >> email = files from Mailstation units into PC's using the USB
          >> ports tha= t are usually available. It connects to the printer
          >> port on t= he Mailstation unit and uses the standard "print"
          >> button to st= art the transfer. (A program does need to be
          >> running on the P= C to capture the file and save it, but it
          >> uses a virtual COM p= ort over the USB so any serial port
          >> capturing program can be u= sed [or easily written using VB,
          >> for example.])
          >> <= br> >> It's cheap to build so I wouldn't mind making more if anyone >> is interested. Basically, it's a USB-powered module
          >&g= t; (circuit) that has a USB connector and a parallel port
          >> conn= ector and once the virtual COM port software is installed
          >> you = just snap in the USB cable on one end and the Mailstation
          >> on t= he other and the PC acts like a printer to it. Except
          >> that it= can save the ASCII text to a file, of course.
          >>
          >> S= chematics, parts, and software would be available to those
          >> wan= ting to try their own hand building these. They aren't
          >> comple= x to do.
          >>
          >> Jon
          >>
          >
          >
          = >
          >
          >------------------------------------
          >
          >= ;Yahoo! Groups Links
          >
          >
          >

          =
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X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 286 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2011 06:11:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m11.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2011 06:11:06 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO homiemail-a41.g.dreamhost.com) (208.113.200.5) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2011 06:11:06 -0000 X-Received: from homiemail-a41.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a41.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AA2744C058 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 23:11:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from Jon-ThinkPad.ftrdhcpuser.net (static-50-53-139-17.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net [50.53.139.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jonk@...) by homiemail-a41.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E5AFF44C057 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 23:11:04 -0700 (PDT) To: Mailstation list Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 23:11:04 -0700 Organization: Infinite Factors Message-ID: <4prou6to3trag44kh15qr6ivak0qrn8f8a@...> References: <95hnu6l4prt3a9ea4bojn3pn6mrs5tb33n@...> <208396.44414.qm@...> In-Reply-To: <208396.44414.qm@...> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Jon Kirwan Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: I developed a small module to transfer saved files from the Mailstation into a PC via USB X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=323600762; y=MlvvX387u0tykKvac5x4Rf76FI9r5KtT4Y2nYnT_SNgfpT3w-Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jondkirwan Status: RO Content-Length: 1575 Lines: 58 On Sun, 5 Jun 2011 21:23:36 -0700 (PDT), Kelly wrote: >I have two of them = that you can have. I thought they were a good idea when I >bought them of= f eBay but then I couldn't get either one online, so if you can >use them,= they're yours. If you could pay the shipping, though, when I find out >h= ow much it is, I'd appreciate that. That's very nice of you. I'd love to = take advantage of the offer and I'd gladly pay shipping costs. Back in 200= 9, I did that with someone in Scottsdale and it cost them $10.05, if I reca= ll correctly. But that's US to US, as I'm in Oregon. I will find them goo= d homes, for sure. I'm working on another idea to allow transfers both dir= ections so that it can be used as a "USB memory stick." But that will "tak= e me a little longer." :) Anyway, I'm located near Portland, Oregon. Let= me know what you get in terms of sending them by mail. If it is too much,= I might just say to keep them. But hopefully, the post office up there wo= n't take an arm and a leg to get them here. If you are of a mind to call, feel free. If you= 'd like to talk for a minute, but would rather I pay, just let me have your= number and preferred times. Otherwise, let me know the "damage" your post= al service tells you about. I would use my bank's "bill pay" to send a ban= k check (should be very quick to cash -- no delay, as it is drawn from the = bank and not from my account) to you, with your address of course. Sincere= thanks for the possibility! Jon From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jonk@... 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I thought they were a good idea when I >bough= t them off eBay but then I couldn't get either one online, so if you can >= use them, they're yours. If you could pay the shipping, though, when I fin= d out >how much it is, I'd appreciate that. >Kelly Just in case my sendin= g email to you directly didn't get through (trash bin?), just letting you k= now that I did send an email separately to you. If you didn't get it, let = me know. I haven't received a response. And thanks, Jon From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: kjoanne403@... 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Glad you can use them! Kelly _________________= _______________ From: Jon Kirwan To: Mailstation= list Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 2:28:59 PM Subj= ect: Re: [mailstation] Re: I developed a small module to transfer saved fi= les from the Mailstation into a PC via USB =C2=A0 On Sun, 5 Jun 2011 21:2= 3:36 -0700 (PDT), Kelly wrote: >Hi Jon, >I have two of them that you can h= ave. I thought they were a good idea when I >bought them off eBay but then= I couldn't get either one online, so if you can >use them, they're yours.= If you could pay the shipping, though, when I find out >how much it is, = I'd appreciate that. >Kelly Just in case my sending email to you directly = didn't get through (trash bin?), just letting you know that I did send an e= mail separately to you. If you didn't get it, let me know. I haven't receiv= ed a response. And thanks, Jon --0-555406996-1307480605=:23045 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
          Sorry - yes, I got your email; I just haven't made it to the post= office yet to find out how much shipping will be.  I'll find out some= time this week and let you know.
          Glad you can use them!
          Kelly

          From: Jon Kirwan
          To: Mailstation list
          Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 2:28:59 PM
          Subject:           Re: [mailstation] Re= : I developed a small module to transfer saved files from the Mailstation i= nto a PC via USB

            =

          On Sun, 5 Jun 2011 21:23:36 -0700 (PDT), Kelly wro= te:

          >Hi Jon,
          >I have two of them that you can have. I thoug= ht they were a good idea when I
          >bought them off eBay but then I cou= ldn't get either one online, so if you can
          >use them, they're yours.= If you could pay the shipping, though, when I find out
          >how much it= is, I'd appreciate that.
          >Kelly

          Just in case my sending email= to you directly didn't get
          through (trash bin?), just letting you know = that I did send
          an email separately to you. If you didn't get it, let me=
          know. I haven't received a response.

          And thanks,
          Jon

          <= /DIV>
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From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 74032 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2011 06:19:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m13.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2011 06:19:02 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng18-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.102) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2011 06:19:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.178] by ng18.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2011 06:19:01 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by tg3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2011 06:19:01 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2011 06:19:01 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 06:18:59 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose From: "CyranoJ" Subject: App record help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=Xib_VZl427z9cLd-wKJ6n-s0Voy8Ot_dZ3mpsvF4KTLmMEInaenRHMMtMA X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 748 Lines: 31 I approved this message using the group web-interface, but it just disappe= ared. Group log shows it was approved, too. I tried to approve the copy in= my email, but when I click "approve" link, it tells me message no longer e= xists. So, I am pasting in a copy of it here. Thursday, July 14, 2011 9:= 09 PM From: "wizardofhaas1024" To: mailstation@yahoogroups.= com Hi, I am trying to write in an app record on my mailstation. I am using= an ivory DET1 and the instructions(Method C) from the docs that come with = FyOS. I got it to work on an emulator using the Demo Mailstation ROM. I wri= te in the code on the Hex editor, but when I get back to MailstationOS it d= oesn't have the app record under extras. Any ideas? From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 52979 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2011 19:09:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2011 19:09:28 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2011 19:09:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2011 19:09:28 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2011 19:09:28 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 19:09:25 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "CyranoJ" Subject: Re: App record help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=QYFYbtYdvAnSSPFfjeAlfVItXRqhrrQZAp5eRqjTu1Lh2nqNREeahhQOoQ X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1373 Lines: 53 "wizardofhaas1024" wrote: > I am trying to write in an app record on my ma= ilstation. > I am using an ivory DET1 and the instructions(Method C) from t= he docs that come with FyOS. > I got it to work on an emulator using the De= mo Mailstation ROM. > I write in the code on the Hex editor, but when I get= back to MailstationOS it doesn't have the app record under extras. > Any i= deas? What address did you put your app at? Did you also edit the "app di= rectory" at 0x020000 in the dataflash? I realize my documentation is rathe= r sketchy, and I am not very familiar with documentation for FYOS..... ...= .OK, I downloaded fyos doc, skimmed thru it, and I have to say, large hunks= of it bear a striking resemblance to my docs. It seems what fyos calls an= "app record" is what I would call an "app directory" entry. So, I will as= sume you have not entered the actual app code yet, and are just wanting to= see if you can add an empty selectable item to the "extras" menu. (by the = way, if your mailstation has the "yahoo" folder, the new app will appear th= ere, and not in extras.) So, you need to edit page 0x08 of the dataflash, = which is at raw address 020000 (i fergit how many leading zeroes are displ= ayed in mailstation's hex editor.) you want to make it look like this: 0= 20000 01 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 18 00 00 00 00 00 00 CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: sean@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 63069 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2011 22:55:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2011 22:55:08 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2011 22:55:07 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.151] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2011 22:55:07 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.34] by t5.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2011 22:55:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 22:55:06 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose From: "wizardofhaas1024" Subject: Re: App record help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=488535375; y=nJHqtFGj8xu9_Ij4S26flfJjrjP0r-xiy4xYu5o_tYHUj3Oqvfp7sYSdI22qDN-i8Sry6exEKCcuOJw X-Yahoo-Profile: wizardofhaas1024 Status: RO Content-Length: 121 Lines: 9 Got It! Thanks for the help. Didn't realize I had the Yahoo folder. I tho= ught it was just a link to Yahoo. Thanks! From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 61116 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2011 06:24:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2011 06:24:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng2-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.164.141) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2011 06:24:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.121] by ng2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2011 06:11:31 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by tg2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2011 06:11:31 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2011 06:11:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 06:11:31 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "CyranoJ" Subject: Re: Email to application idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=jMjULrK1ksbfLEYeehGyBInfnMTWAnLArn3eSz8TwnOnyMRn6mn9CkeW9g X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1363 Lines: 52 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "wizardofhaas1024" wrote: > = > When you get an email on your mailstation it is stored > around 0x024d00= , I was messing with some mail using the > hex editor and thought of somet= hing, could you send an > email that contained the hex code for a program = to the > mailstation and then use another program to relocate the > email= code to a location where you could access and run it? I don't see why not= . You might even be able to email a binary image, but I am not sure it w= ould make it through the email process undamaged. What I was doing to get = code loaded on a stock mailstation was loading it to the splash screen imag= e with mailbug. Then, with mailstations hex editor, I entered a "jump" to t= hat image as a very short app (9 bytes). When executed from the "extras" o= r "yahoo" menu, it would then copy itself to one of the "app" pages. I onl= y used that process to load a "bootapp", which acted as the remote end of m= ailbug, my remote debugger. After the bootapp was installed, I would load = subsequent apps to ram using mailbug, and then run them. The technique of = having the app copy itself to the app space worked so good I just kept usin= g it to copy these ram images to the dataflash, and never did add (to mailb= ug) a function to write directly to dataflash. CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49266 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2011 16:14:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2011 16:14:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pz0-f43.google.com) (209.85.210.43) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2011 16:14:24 -0000 X-Received: by pzk1 with SMTP id 1so3889246pzk.2 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 09:14:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.68.10.102 with SMTP id h6mr2595372pbb.507.1310832864341; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 09:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from NewBaby ([50.98.232.85]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p7sm1297330pbn.81.2011.07.16.09.14.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 16 Jul 2011 09:14:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <601B3995D25C480991B980E8CA1B3810@NewBaby> To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 09:07:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0B13_01CC4397.CC711EF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Email to application idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=WYzS1z9krUw0r57kuwlMTgqqZ6g5Rb_RKE-1B9zB4ZEfUzl4Qw X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 1803 Lines: 68 ------=_NextPart_000_0B13_01CC4397.CC711EF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The ones with the Yahoo function could get small images it seems. Neil F= rom: CyranoJ You might even be able to email a binary image, but I am no= t sure it would make it through the email process undamaged. ------=_NextPart_000_0B13_01CC4397.CC711EF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable = =
          The ones with the Yahoo function could get small images it seems.=
           
          Neil

          From: CyranoJ

          You might even be able to email a binary ima= ge, but I am
          not sure it would make it through the email process undam= aged.

          ------=_NextPart_000_0B13_01CC4397.CC711EF0-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 44436 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2011 04:39:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2011 04:39:48 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n4-vm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com) (67.195.135.100) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2011 04:39:48 -0000 X-Received: from [67.195.134.238] by n4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2011 04:39:48 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.173] by t3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2011 04:39:48 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by t15.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2011 04:39:48 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 04:39:47 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <601B3995D25C480991B980E8CA1B3810@NewBaby> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "CyranoJ" Subject: Re: Email to application idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=_aYCm_nbQcMpGyWq8evcygm16Ny5fPF4U5SoQ504meMTvHAAniqpXhDoww X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 959 Lines: 40 --- "Neil Morrison" wrote: > > > The ones with the Yahoo fu= nction could get small images it seems. > If you mean the "TV listings" e= tc., they were just one big graphic image. But I imagine they were sent as= mime attachments of some sort. I was wondering if you could send executab= le binary code as the body of an email, and then just jump to the saved ema= il to run it. But the more I think about it, I am not sure just what you c= ould send an email like that with. Certainly not any standard email client.= Usually even attached files are encoded as text, aren't they? It's proba= bly a better idea to send intel hex format, and have a loader on the mailst= ation decode it to binary. And then it could write the binary to a free ap= p page! Or load it into ram and execute it. That might require the mailst= ation reboot when done executing, unless you could find enough ram that is = unused (or rarely used???). CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 40812 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2011 04:59:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m14.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Jul 2011 04:59:47 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-pv0-f173.google.com) (74.125.83.173) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2011 04:59:47 -0000 X-Received: by pvg3 with SMTP id 3so2950922pvg.32 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 21:59:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.142.6.8 with SMTP id 8mr2251878wff.371.1310878786420; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 21:59:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: X-Received: from NewBaby ([50.98.232.85]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x1sm1652571pbb.34.2011.07.16.21.59.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 16 Jul 2011 21:59:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 21:57:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0DCC_01CC4403.59497A00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Email to application idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=NXlBLs2Y6HTKW5nC5EGO-NlWCjoVCDMto9wQWYgSHPGuEs7Rmw X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 2719 Lines: 95 ------=_NextPart_000_0DCC_01CC4403.59497A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ISTR they could get 'special' emails which set them to a particular ISP or = whatever. Not sure what the format of those was. The Yahoo thing also did= weather and a couple more things I think. Neil From: CyranoJ > I was= wondering if you could send executable binary code as the body of an email= , and then just jump to the saved email to run it. But the more I think abo= ut it, I am not sure just what you could send an email like that with. Cert= ainly not any standard email client. ------=_NextPart_000_0DCC_01CC4403.59497A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable = =
          ISTR they could get 'special' emails which set them to a particul= ar ISP or whatever.
          &n= bsp;
          Not sure what the format of tho= se was.
           
          <= DIV>The Yahoo thing also did weather and a coup= le more things I think.
           
          Neil

          From: CyranoJ

          > I was wondering if you could sen= d executable
          binary code as the body of an email, and then just jump to= the
          saved email to run it. But the more I think about it, I am
          not = sure just what you could send an email like that with.
          Certainly not an= y standard email client.

          ------=_NextPart_000_0DCC_01CC4403.59497A00-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21608 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2011 05:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.196.94.107) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2011 05:32:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta3.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2011 05:32:52 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1310707971; bh=JhyCdR+2OZVYleqan3Ed3d55cqu2rUc8aC5C4Bf6mW4=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:Date:To:Message-ID:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:X-Yahoo-Post-IP:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=WzJLN4nVGhlWxdcpnc4vwXR+T5ABGKhwVK4Vw+aJhr3RzZpxY9r632SazIhAUvc7f/z/gAu09QrrZ1LW0AUasKVUDOG/g9YIvVilCe2yJlcjB8vsBomF4npyhSCdOm9X Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2011 05:32:51 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.32] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2011 05:32:51 -0000 X-Sender: sean@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 62898 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2011 01:09:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Jul 2011 01:09:51 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n41b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.155) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2011 01:09:50 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.174] by n41.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2011 01:09:50 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.35] by t12.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jul 2011 01:09:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 01:09:49 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0:0 From: "wizardofhaas1024" Subject: App record help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=488535375; y=bK5KeOP_4Ep7KzvMYqTtZ7k9j-rGxm2BT6fMaLlPekEf2EiL6wEaksA7MO7eY5gWfD45_w7uAQfJklI X-Yahoo-Profile: wizardofhaas1024 X-eGroups-Approved-By: cyranojones_lalp via web; 15 Jul 2011 05:32:50 -0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 358 Lines: 12 Hi, I am trying to write in an app record on my mailstation. I am using an = ivory DET1 and the instructions(Method C) from the docs that come with FyOS= . I got it to work on an emulator using the Demo Mailstation ROM. I write i= n the code on the Hex editor, but when I get back to MailstationOS it doesn= 't have the app record under extras. Any ideas? From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 42707 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2011 03:05:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (66.196.94.105) by m10.grp.re1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jul 2011 03:05:29 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO n42b.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com) (66.163.168.156) by mta1.grp.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2011 03:05:28 -0000 X-Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n42.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2011 03:05:27 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2011 03:05:27 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 03:05:26 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose From: "CyranoJ" Subject: Re: Email to application idea X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=z-6NLHAMlhhECcfI9wbcCaZePg-2Q7CdKIaYYCwZ9xCrRWw_kbaZVJWl-w X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1365 Lines: 52 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "wizardofhaas1024" wrote: > = > When you get an email on your mailstation it is stored > around 0x024d00= , I was messing with some mail using the > hex editor and thought of somet= hing, could you send an > email that contained the hex code for a program = to the > mailstation and then use another program to relocate the > email= code to a location where you could access and run it? I don't see why not= . You might even be able to email a binary image, but I am not sure it w= ould make it through the email process unmolested. What I was doing to get= code loaded on a stock mailstation was loading it to the splash screen ima= ge with mailbug. Then, with mailstations hex editor, I entered a "jump" to = that image as a very short app (9 bytes). When executed from the "extras" = or "yahoo" menu, it would then copy itself to one of the "app" pages. I on= ly used that process to load a "bootapp", which acted as the remote end of = mailbug, my remote debugger. After the bootapp was installed, I would load= subsequent apps to ram using mailbug, and then run them. The technique of= having the app copy itself to the app space worked so good I just kept usi= ng it to copy these ram images to the dataflash, and never did add (to mail= bug) a function to write directly to dataflash . CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2913 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2012 08:02:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.34.44) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2012 08:02:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng20-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.252) by mta1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2012 08:02:55 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1333094574; bh=sATmaMCEldg+f/hNZrr8BLNmeXIpjT69ipyGTw9Vsn8=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:Date:To:Message-ID:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:X-Yahoo-Post-IP:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=FicGlJAktPEwx+5qaWy4129OtwgFVyhPFSFFiWZGtc/r+Td207sLh14OdJjpsV7sUutvhUwfjdfilcusKNn7oVbm4ncu1Wpc10wz3MRSXNXX5KePnBKH8eMngVGAwF2s Received: from [98.137.0.80] by ng20.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2012 08:02:54 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.72] by tg1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2012 08:02:54 -0000 X-Sender: jwatsjunk@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 92631 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2012 01:23:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2012 01:23:13 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng20-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.120) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2012 01:23:13 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.178] by ng20.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2012 01:23:12 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.35.12] by tg3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2012 01:23:12 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 01:23:11 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: "ebjoew" Subject: Procedures for MS 250 V1.12 and some wishes for repurposing it X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=220597999; y=ZiqCmLzhstoFcLdUluxoUH55grMfhx6zCoIMm5BINtqe X-Yahoo-Profile: ebjoew X-eGroups-Approved-By: cyranojones_lalp via web; 30 Mar 2012 08:02:54 -0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 9281 Lines: 182 Hello All, I am a new arrival. I acquired a MailStation 250 at an auction = for a grand total of $1. It did not include an AC adapter nor a base unit. = It is a model DET2B with V1.12 firmware in a silvery grey case. I opened it= up to find out what was inside and to consider hacking this gizmo. Since = I do not have a base unit that communicates by RF with the MailStation itse= lf, the first thing I did was remove the antenna and its connecting cable s= ince it was useless. I rather expect to be doing some hardware work inside = this thing and I felt removing the antenna and its cable from the board jus= t simplified things a little. Thanks to the details scattered around in th= e messages and files produced in past by this group, I have found out how t= o get into those extra menus which let one "Restore Default Account" and en= ter the Hex Viewer and Hex Editor. I also stumbled into what to do to cause= it to let me bring up the "Please create a new user account" prompt where = it lets me enter ALL the settings for a user account including the ISP Acco= unt, ISP Password, Primary DNS, etc., etc. While I have no wish to use the= MailStation for its usual email purpose, I have played with it enough and = read enough messages here to know that this might be useful info for somebo= dy else so I thought I should document it here for others. So here is how I= go about it. 1. Be sure the unit has power, either via AC adapter or bat= teries. 2. Start with the unit off. 3. We will begin by removing any ol= d existing user account settings and setting the unit to the default user a= ccount. I have read in many places where all one has to do is hold down the= "Function" and "D" keys while pressing the reset button but I have found t= hat often does not work for me. Some experimenting has taught me that this = slight variation on that procedure makes it work reliably for me. I turn th= e unit on with the power button and let the unit come up into the main Mail= Station 250 menu. Then, with it still in that screen, I hold down the "Func= tion" and "D" keys and press the reset button and continue to hold down the= "Function" and "D" keys during a pause of several seconds, followed by a b= rief "Scanning memory data" progress bar, whereupon the unit presents the "= Reset System Data" menu. At this point the "Function" and "D" keys may be r= eleased. The "No Clear" menu item is highlighted. Press the down arrow key = once to move the highlight to the "Restore Default Account" menu item and t= hen press the "Enter" key to select it. 4. The unit prompts with the ques= tion "Are you sure to clear?" and the answer "Yes" is highlighted. Press th= e "Enter" key. We end up in the main "MailStation 250" menu. Just below the= "MailStation 250" text at the top of the screen, we see that the unit's em= ail address now consists of the unit's serial number followed by "@mailstat= ion.com". If one selects "Extras" and then "Settings", we can see that the = user name has been set to "New Customer". In any case, press the power butt= on to turn the unit off. 5. Next we simultaneously hold down the "Functio= n" key, the "Q" key, and the "A" key and momentarily press the power button= . We can release all the keys when we then get a prompt that consists only = of a wide empty rectangle in the middle of the screen. 6. Type (without t= he quotes) "qa781206" and press the "Enter" key. We arrive at the "DIAGNOST= IC MAIN MENU" screen. 7. Hold down either Shift key while you press the F= 5 key. The F5 key is the rightmost unlabeled button located just below the = screen. You will arrive at the Hex Viewer screen. The Hex Viewer is not lab= elled as such. It just appears as a screen full of hexadecimal digits with = a wide column of alphanumeric and/or graphic characters on the right. The = first three pairs of digits at the start of each line is a memory address. = The first such address appearing on the top line of the screen will be 00 0= 0 00 followed by a colon (:) and then the hexadecimal contents of each of t= he 16 bytes of memory starting at that address. When I do this I see all z= eros for those 16 bytes. In fact, I see all zeros for the hexadecimal conte= nts all down this page. At this point you could use the arrow keys, the "P= g up" key, and the "Pg dn" key to move around in memory to see its contents= but we next need to change the contents of one particular memory cell. 8= . In order to be able to change any cells we must enable the Hex Viewer to = enter its Hex Editor mode. That requires entering something of a special pa= sscode. To do that, type in the following string (without the quotes) "g710= 304x" and then press the "Back" button. As soon as you press the "g" key, a= small box will appear to allow you to enter the rest of the string. Do not= worry that there is not enough room for the "x" at the end of the string i= n that box. In fact, you will not even see the "x" on the screen but it is = still important. When you press the "Back" button, the input box will simpl= y disappear and things will look the same as they were before you typed in = that special command. 9. Type in this string (without the quotes) "g02290= 0" and press the "Enter" key. While typing it in, the input box will again = appear momentarily to allow you to finish typing the command. When you pres= s the "Enter" key, the Hex Viewer will begin displaying the data for the me= mory cells beginning at address 022900. We can confirm this is where we are= in memory by reading that the start of the first line reads like this: 02 = 29 00 : 01 00 4e 65 77 20 and so forth. If we look at the panel of alphanum= eric/graphic characters on the right side of the screen, we see that the fi= rst line contains the words "New Customer". Also, a few lines after that, w= e see the default email address consisting of the unit's serial number foll= owed by "@..." We can also note that the first digit (a zero) f= ollowing that colon on the first line of the screen is highlighted. Press t= he right arrow key one time to move the highlight to the very next characte= r which is a "1". 10. I suspect that this "1" indicates that there is one = email account set up in the unit but that is just my best guess. In any cas= e, I find that for me this next step gets me to where I want to go. Press t= he "S" key. We see that the right part of the screen changes to indicate th= at we have entered the Hex Editor. It shows us that we could press Ctrl+S t= o Save & Exit, Back to Exit, Arrow to move the cursor, or 0-9,A-F for input= . We also see that the highlight is still on that "1". (By the way, althoug= h it says "Ctrl+S" is used to "Save & Exit", all that is really needed is j= ust "S".) 11. Press the "0" key (the zero key, not the alphabetic "O" key)= . Now the two digit number following that colon near the start of the first= line reads "00" instead of "01". Next press the "S" key to save this small= memory change and return to the Hex Viewer display screen. I believe that = we have just told the MailStation there are no email accounts currently set= up. 12. Press the "Back" button to exit the Hex Viewer and return to the = "DIAGNOSTIC MAIN MENU" screen. 13. Press the "Q" key to exit this screen. = A "Test Over" message briefly appears on the screen and then we see a "Scan= ning memory data" progress bar followed by the the "Reset System Data" menu= again. This time, it does not include the "Restore Default Account" menu i= tem. The "No Clear" menu item is highlighted. Press the "Enter" key. We now= see a prompt for "Please create a new user account." with an "OK" response= highlighted. Press the "Enter" key. We now see a "User Settings" screen wh= ere we can input a response to each of the following prompts: User N= ame: Dial-Up No: Reply-To: ____________________________________= _________________ E-Mail Address: E-Mail Password: POP3 Server: SM= TP Server: ISP Account: ISP Password: Primary DNS: Once we have= assigned a value to each prompt, press the F1 key which is now labelled "S= ave" at the bottom of the screen. The new user account data is saved and we= are left in the main "MailStation 250" menu. For my own personal purpos= es, I would like to see the MailStation be set up to run just about any typ= e of operating system or other underlying system that then supports some ve= rsion of Microsoft Basic. It could be MBasic under CP/M or it could be a Ba= sic interpreter from one of the TRS-80 computers. I would even consider the= very original Microsoft Basic interpreter, the one written for the Altair = 8800. I helped a friend build his Altair 8800 many years ago and we wrote m= any programs on his system. I would at least want the version intended for = 8K because the 4k version did not really support character strings. So I am= pretty easy to satisfy. I have become aware of FyberOptic and his FyOS ope= rating system but have not had time to totally gage its current state, avai= lability, and applicability. In any case, I congratulate Jeff, Cyrano, Don,= and others who have contributed so much of their time and sweat to uncover= the secrets of these neat little computers. Joe From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 7358 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2012 03:57:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2012 03:57:32 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (216.224.236.178) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2012 03:57:32 -0000 X-Received: from www.handypage.net (localhost.handypage.net [127.0.0.1]) by www.handypage.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/netmax) with SMTP id q2V3St8j002159 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 20:28:55 -0700 X-Received: from computer1.handypage5.net ([192.168.101.21]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user waynem) by www.handypage.net with HTTP; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 20:28:55 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3293.192.168.101.21.1333164535.squirrel@...> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 20:28:55 -0700 (MST) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: waynem@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Procedures for MS 250 V1.12 and some wishes for repurposing it X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=osxpiyhas53-TbBoByqdD4RtPJUQerdPW2Ljz8580dniijpURrdwrQ X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 9430 Lines: 180 Fantastic job !!!! Do you think this might also work with the model 350 ? Wayne > Hello All, > > I am a new arrival. I acquired a MailStation 250 at an auction for a grand > total of $1. It did not include an AC adapter nor a base unit. It is a > model DET2B with V1.12 firmware in a silvery grey case. I opened it up to > find out what was inside and to consider hacking this gizmo. > > Since I do not have a base unit that communicates by RF with the > MailStation itself, the first thing I did was remove the antenna and its > connecting cable since it was useless. I rather expect to be doing some > hardware work inside this thing and I felt removing the antenna and its > cable from the board just simplified things a little. > > Thanks to the details scattered around in the messages and files produced > in past by this group, I have found out how to get into those extra menus > which let one "Restore Default Account" and enter the Hex Viewer and Hex > Editor. I also stumbled into what to do to cause it to let me bring up the > "Please create a new user account" prompt where it lets me enter ALL the > settings for a user account including the ISP Account, ISP Password, > Primary DNS, etc., etc. > > While I have no wish to use the MailStation for its usual email purpose, I > have played with it enough and read enough messages here to know that this > might be useful info for somebody else so I thought I should document it > here for others. So here is how I go about it. > > 1. Be sure the unit has power, either via AC adapter or batteries. > > 2. Start with the unit off. > > 3. We will begin by removing any old existing user account settings and > setting the unit to the default user account. I have read in many places > where all one has to do is hold down the "Function" and "D" keys while > pressing the reset button but I have found that often does not work for > me. Some experimenting has taught me that this slight variation on that > procedure makes it work reliably for me. I turn the unit on with the > power button and let the unit come up into the main MailStation 250 menu. > Then, with it still in that screen, I hold down the "Function" and "D" > keys and press the reset button and continue to hold down the "Function" > and "D" keys during a pause of several seconds, followed by a brief > "Scanning memory data" progress bar, whereupon the unit presents the > "Reset System Data" menu. At this point the "Function" and "D" keys may > be released. The "No Clear" menu item is highlighted. Press the down > arrow key once to move the highlight to the "Restore Default Account" > menu item and then press the "Enter" key to select it. > > 4. The unit prompts with the question "Are you sure to clear?" and the > answer "Yes" is highlighted. Press the "Enter" key. We end up in the main > "MailStation 250" menu. Just below the "MailStation 250" text at the top > of the screen, we see that the unit's email address now consists of the > unit's serial number followed by "@...". If one selects > "Extras" and then "Settings", we can see that the user name has been set > to "New Customer". In any case, press the power button to turn the unit > off. > > 5. Next we simultaneously hold down the "Function" key, the "Q" key, and > the "A" key and momentarily press the power button. We can release all > the keys when we then get a prompt that consists only of a wide empty > rectangle in the middle of the screen. > > 6. Type (without the quotes) "qa781206" and press the "Enter" key. We > arrive at the "DIAGNOSTIC MAIN MENU" screen. > > 7. Hold down either Shift key while you press the F5 key. The F5 key is > the rightmost unlabeled button located just below the screen. You will > arrive at the Hex Viewer screen. The Hex Viewer is not labelled as such. > It just appears as a screen full of hexadecimal digits with a wide column > of alphanumeric and/or graphic characters on the right. > > The first three pairs of digits at the start of each line is a memory > address. The first such address appearing on the top line of the screen > will be 00 00 00 followed by a colon (:) and then the hexadecimal contents > of each of the 16 bytes of memory starting at that address. When I do > this I see all zeros for those 16 bytes. In fact, I see all zeros for the > hexadecimal contents all down this page. > > At this point you could use the arrow keys, the "Pg up" key, and the "Pg > dn" key to move around in memory to see its contents but we next need to > change the contents of one particular memory cell. > > 8. In order to be able to change any cells we must enable the Hex Viewer > to enter its Hex Editor mode. That requires entering something of a > special passcode. To do that, type in the following string (without the > quotes) "g710304x" and then press the "Back" button. As soon as you press > the "g" key, a small box will appear to allow you to enter the rest of > the string. Do not worry that there is not enough room for the "x" at the > end of the string in that box. In fact, you will not even see the "x" on > the screen but it is still important. When you press the "Back" button, > the input box will simply disappear and things will look the same as they > were before you typed in that special command. > > 9. Type in this string (without the quotes) "g022900" and press the > "Enter" key. While typing it in, the input box will again appear > momentarily to allow you to finish typing the command. When you press the > "Enter" key, the Hex Viewer will begin displaying the data for the memory > cells beginning at address 022900. We can confirm this is where we are in > memory by reading that the start of the first line reads like this: 02 29 > 00 : 01 00 4e 65 77 20 and so forth. If we look at the panel of > alphanumeric/graphic characters on the right side of the screen, we see > that the first line contains the words "New Customer". Also, a few lines > after that, we see the default email address consisting of the unit's > serial number followed by "@..." We can also note that the > first digit (a zero) following that colon on the first line of the screen > is highlighted. Press the right arrow key one time to move the highlight > to the very next character which is a "1". > > 10. I suspect that this "1" indicates that there is one email account set > up in the unit but that is just my best guess. In any case, I find that > for me this next step gets me to where I want to go. Press the "S" key. We > see that the right part of the screen changes to indicate that we have > entered the Hex Editor. It shows us that we could press Ctrl+S to Save & > Exit, Back to Exit, Arrow to move the cursor, or 0-9,A-F for input. We > also see that the highlight is still on that "1". (By the way, although it > says "Ctrl+S" is used to "Save & Exit", all that is really needed is just > "S".) > > 11. Press the "0" key (the zero key, not the alphabetic "O" key). Now the > two digit number following that colon near the start of the first line > reads "00" instead of "01". Next press the "S" key to save this small > memory change and return to the Hex Viewer display screen. I believe that > we have just told the MailStation there are no email accounts currently > set up. > > 12. Press the "Back" button to exit the Hex Viewer and return to the > "DIAGNOSTIC MAIN MENU" screen. > > 13. Press the "Q" key to exit this screen. A "Test Over" message briefly > appears on the screen and then we see a "Scanning memory data" progress > bar followed by the the "Reset System Data" menu again. This time, it does > not include the "Restore Default Account" menu item. The "No Clear" menu > item is highlighted. Press the "Enter" key. We now see a prompt for > "Please create a new user account." with an "OK" response highlighted. > Press the "Enter" key. We now see a "User Settings" screen where we can > input a response to each of the following prompts: > > User Name: > Dial-Up No: > Reply-To: > _____________________________________________________ > E-Mail Address: > E-Mail Password: > POP3 Server: > SMTP Server: > ISP Account: > ISP Password: > Primary DNS: > > Once we have assigned a value to each prompt, press the F1 key which is > now labelled "Save" at the bottom of the screen. The new user account data > is saved and we are left in the main "MailStation 250" menu. > > > > For my own personal purposes, I would like to see the MailStation be set > up to run just about any type of operating system or other underlying > system that then supports some version of Microsoft Basic. It could be > MBasic under CP/M or it could be a Basic interpreter from one of the > TRS-80 computers. I would even consider the very original Microsoft Basic > interpreter, the one written for the Altair 8800. I helped a friend build > his Altair 8800 many years ago and we wrote many programs on his system. I > would at least want the version intended for 8K because the 4k version did > not really support character strings. So I am pretty easy to satisfy. I > have become aware of FyberOptic and his FyOS operating system but have not > had time to totally gage its current state, availability, and > applicability. In any case, I congratulate Jeff, Cyrano, Don, and others > who have contributed so much of their time and sweat to uncover the > secrets of these neat little computers. > > Joe > > > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: markmup@... 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X-Received: (qmail 92174 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Mar 2012 04:19:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Qu.CAvQVM1kOADvai4IaV5l.nSJHEw6W9KH2cDSVBESsfAq z_WqZrOWJPmM3a.92gNXPJLX0kEmwXvVVyGJwEz9hWjLjuOj6mIIl.xwz1lb k8KYyP4e0VgncghsfQMCnePykgs8XQVRq8ZsYk0ohVqBOycEXm6.VCZGmpT0 h.iF3uXJKkOzrkWP6g2ybTks76fTCH2vZSWqqt7SyHQHQpPvOrvv18TqaL.a 44kE_3nKL_XSzQPhJzeAC.zz4Z7dXczlfom12bXF.PHDV22lzsGP4X08vmQs kQj8OXeZrY9hfcZL3ObMWO4U8aBe1Dj2U_FamRVSGlDI6gW.u0doas.ZSsze S6Egk6OyDxFMqw05EQlSzva9l1bgvLM.qda_qdA499qx6oT6wkzPVL4QpIE8 j0fS8IwrPDFVHJuR.ztdWbTL1adiYFo7IiCfWryd2ID6qSnbnbz.ElwnbErQ M5CtKNnUxUrYa_pPYeWHKzn0k4_w6ivjrufjI7G6fV08APg1V_Uo7WWSZhFd MN3md7yWqt9rWyEKR3Bt7N9qXnEZhBnnkVZdJHcrkqauiUlLM259IqmQeabR cdHMSbbByAY.G0HAdixc1bbaM3XV7xLFGfNyUKdG20UoqSlgp5F0W9npEX9k PK6lxc7Ob7VVmxuZn19KCThx8VRqoXbhVhta6sQdytSYWLJ.KhsJvNHCMyqq alB.pEHJfXz4giw-- X-Received: from [68.89.74.103] by web113818.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Mar 2012 21:19:01 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: <3293.192.168.101.21.1333164535.squirrel@...> Message-ID: <1333167541.91763.YahooMailNeo@...> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 21:19:01 -0700 (PDT) To: "mailstation@yahoogroups.com" In-Reply-To: <3293.192.168.101.21.1333164535.squirrel@...> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="32876369-25674708-1333167541=:91763" X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Mark Burch Reply-To: Mark Burch Subject: Re: [mailstation] Procedures for MS 250 V1.12 and some wishes for repurposing it X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=185416647; y=eAc-AsHiAztNeNCWQDZ8YeO6FBPSgJSUiE2E-f856PdMTw X-Yahoo-Profile: markmup Status: RO Content-Length: 23456 Lines: 531 --32876369-25674708-1333167541=:91763 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I bought one 4 years ago and stare at it lately. =A0I appreciate your shari= ng. =A0 Mark ________________________________ From: "waynem@...= t" To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, Ma= rch 30, 2012 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [mailstation] Procedures for MS 250 V1.1= 2 and some wishes for repurposing it Fantastic job !!!! Do you thin= k this might also work with the model 350 ? Wayne > Hello All, > > I am a= new arrival. I acquired a MailStation 250 at an auction for a grand > tota= l of $1. It did not include an AC adapter nor a base unit. It is a > model = DET2B with V1.12 firmware in a silvery grey case. I opened it up to > find = out what was inside and to consider hacking this gizmo. > > Since I do not = have a base unit that communicates by RF with the > MailStation itself, the= first thing I did was remove the antenna and its > connecting cable since = it was useless. I rather expect to be doing some > hardware work inside thi= s thing and I felt removing the antenna and its > cable from the board just= simplified things a little. > > Thanks to the details scattered around in = the messages and files produced > in past by this group, I have found out h= ow to get into those extra menus > which let one "Restore Default Account" = and enter the Hex Viewer and Hex > Editor. I also stumbled into what to do = to cause it to let me bring up the > "Please create a new user account" pro= mpt where it lets me enter ALL the > settings for a user account including = the ISP Account, ISP Password, > Primary DNS, etc., etc. > > While I have n= o wish to use the MailStation for its usual email purpose, I > have played = with it enough and read enough messages here to know that this > might be u= seful info for somebody else so I thought I should document it > here for o= thers. So here is how I go about it. > >=A0 1. Be sure the unit has power, = either via AC adapter or batteries. > >=A0 2. Start with the unit off. > >= =A0 3. We will begin by removing any old existing user account settings and= > setting the unit to the default user account. I have read in many places= > where all one has to do is hold down the "Function" and "D" keys while >= pressing the reset button but I have found that often does not work for > = me. Some experimenting has taught me that this slight variation on that > p= rocedure makes it work reliably for me. I turn the unit on with the > power= button and let the unit come up into the main MailStation 250 menu. > Then= , with it still in that screen, I hold down the "Function" and "D" > keys a= nd press the reset button and continue to hold down the "Function" > and "D= " keys during a pause of several seconds, followed by a brief > "Scanning m= emory data" progress bar, whereupon the unit presents the > "Reset System D= ata" menu. At this point the "Function" and "D" keys may > be released. The= "No Clear" menu item is highlighted. Press the down > arrow key once to mo= ve the highlight to the "Restore Default Account" > menu item and then pres= s the "Enter" key to select it. > >=A0 4. The unit prompts with the questio= n "Are you sure to clear?" and the > answer "Yes" is highlighted. Press the= "Enter" key. We end up in the main > "MailStation 250" menu. Just below th= e "MailStation 250" text at the top > of the screen, we see that the unit's= email address now consists of the > unit's serial number followed by "@mai= lstation.com". If one selects > "Extras" and then "Settings", we can see th= at the user name has been set > to "New Customer". In any case, press the p= ower button to turn the unit > off. > >=A0 5. Next we simultaneously hold d= own the "Function" key, the "Q" key, and > the "A" key and momentarily pres= s the power button. We can release all > the keys when we then get a prompt= that consists only of a wide empty > rectangle in the middle of the screen= . > >=A0 6. Type (without the quotes) "qa781206" and press the "Enter" key.= We > arrive at the "DIAGNOSTIC MAIN MENU" screen. > >=A0 7. Hold down eith= er Shift key while you press the F5 key. The F5 key is > the rightmost unla= beled button located just below the screen. You will > arrive at the Hex Vi= ewer screen. The Hex Viewer is not labelled as such. > It just appears as a= screen full of hexadecimal digits with a wide column > of alphanumeric and= /or graphic characters on the right. > > The first three pairs of digits at= the start of each line is a memory > address. The first such address appea= ring on the top line of the screen > will be 00 00 00 followed by a colon (= :) and then the hexadecimal contents > of each of the 16 bytes of memory st= arting at that address.=A0 When I do > this I see all zeros for those 16 by= tes. In fact, I see all zeros for the > hexadecimal contents all down this = page. > > At this point you could use the arrow keys, the "Pg up" key, and = the "Pg > dn" key to move around in memory to see its contents but we next = need to > change the contents of one particular memory cell. > >=A0 8. In o= rder to be able to change any cells we must enable the Hex Viewer > to ente= r its Hex Editor mode. That requires entering something of a > special pass= code. To do that, type in the following string (without the > quotes) "g710= 304x" and then press the "Back" button. As soon as you press > the "g" key,= a small box will appear to allow you to enter the rest of > the string. Do= not worry that there is not enough room for the "x" at the > end of the st= ring in that box. In fact, you will not even see the "x" on > the screen bu= t it is still important. When you press the "Back" button, > the input box = will simply disappear and things will look the same as they > were before y= ou typed in that special command. > >=A0 9. Type in this string (without th= e quotes) "g022900" and press the > "Enter" key. While typing it in, the in= put box will again appear > momentarily to allow you to finish typing the c= ommand. When you press the > "Enter" key, the Hex Viewer will begin display= ing the data for the memory > cells beginning at address 022900. We can con= firm this is where we are in > memory by reading that the start of the firs= t line reads like this: 02 29 > 00 : 01 00 4e 65 77 20 and so forth. If we = look at the panel of > alphanumeric/graphic characters on the right side of= the screen, we see > that the first line contains the words "New Customer"= . Also, a few lines > after that, we see the default email address consisti= ng of the unit's > serial number followed by "@..." We can also= note that the > first digit (a zero) following that colon on the first lin= e of the screen > is highlighted. Press the right arrow key one time to mov= e the highlight > to the very next character which is a "1". > > 10. I susp= ect that this "1" indicates that there is one email account set > up in the= unit but that is just my best guess. In any case, I find that > for me thi= s next step gets me to where I want to go. Press the "S" key. We > see that= the right part of the screen changes to indicate that we have > entered th= e Hex Editor. It shows us that we could press Ctrl+S to Save & > Exit, Back= to Exit, Arrow to move the cursor, or 0-9,A-F for input. We > also see tha= t the highlight is still on that "1". (By the way, although it > says "Ctrl= +S" is used to "Save & Exit", all that is really needed is just > "S".) > >= 11. Press the "0" key (the zero key, not the alphabetic "O" key). Now the = > two digit number following that colon near the start of the first line > = reads "00" instead of "01". Next press the "S" key to save this small > mem= ory change and return to the Hex Viewer display screen. I believe that > we= have just told the MailStation there are no email accounts currently > set= up. > > 12. Press the "Back" button to exit the Hex Viewer and return to t= he > "DIAGNOSTIC MAIN MENU" screen. > > 13. Press the "Q" key to exit this = screen. A "Test Over" message briefly > appears on the screen and then we s= ee a "Scanning memory data" progress > bar followed by the the "Reset Syste= m Data" menu again. This time, it does > not include the "Restore Default A= ccount" menu item. The "No Clear" menu > item is highlighted. Press the "En= ter" key. We now see a prompt for > "Please create a new user account." wit= h an "OK" response highlighted. > Press the "Enter" key. We now see a "User= Settings" screen where we can > input a response to each of the following = prompts: > >=A0 =A0 =A0 User Name: >=A0 =A0 =A0 Dial-Up No: >=A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 Reply-To: > _____________________________________________________ >=A0 = E-Mail Address: > E-Mail Password: >=A0 =A0 POP3 Server: >=A0 =A0 SMTP Se= rver: >=A0 =A0 ISP Account: >=A0 =A0 ISP Password: >=A0 =A0 Primary DNS: = > > Once we have assigned a value to each prompt, press the F1 key which is= > now labelled "Save" at the bottom of the screen. The new user account da= ta > is saved and we are left in the main "MailStation 250" menu. > > > > F= or my own personal purposes, I would like to see the MailStation be set > u= p to run just about any type of operating system or other underlying > syst= em that then supports some version of Microsoft Basic. It could be > MBasic= under CP/M or it could be a Basic interpreter from one of the > TRS-80 com= puters. I would even consider the very original Microsoft Basic > interpret= er, the one written for the Altair 8800. I helped a friend build > his Alta= ir 8800 many years ago and we wrote many programs on his system. I > would = at least want the version intended for 8K because the 4k version did > not = really support character strings. So I am pretty easy to satisfy. I > have = become aware of FyberOptic and his FyOS operating system but have not > had= time to totally gage its current state, availability, and > applicability.= In any case, I congratulate Jeff, Cyrano, Don, and others > who have contr= ibuted so much of their time and sweat to uncover the > secrets of these ne= at little computers. > > Joe > > > ------------------------------------ = Yahoo! Groups Links =A0 =A0 http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --32876369-25674708-1333167541=:91763 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
          I bought one 4 years = ago and stare at it lately.  I appreciate your sharing.
           

          Mark


          =
          From: "waynem@han= dypage.net"
          To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 10:28 PM
          = Subject: Re: [mailstation] Pr= ocedures for MS 250 V1.12 and some wishes for repurposing it

          Fantastic job !!!!

          Do you think this might also work = with the model 350 ?
          Wayne


          > Hello All,
          >
          > I = am a new arrival. I acquired a MailStation 250 at an auction for a grand> total of $1. It did not include an AC adapter nor a base unit. It is = a
          > model DET2B with V1.12 firmware in a silvery grey case. I opened = it up to
          > find out what was inside and to consider hacking this gizm= o.
          >
          > Since I do not have a base unit that communicates by RF = with the
          > MailStation itself, the first thing I did was remove the a= ntenna and its
          > connecting cable since it was useless. I rather expe= ct to be doing some
          > hardware work inside this thing and I felt remo= ving the antenna and its
          > cable from the board just simplified thing= s a little.
          >
          > Thanks to the details scattered around in the m= essages and files produced
          > in past by this group, I have found out= how to get into those extra menus
          > which let one "Restore Default A= ccount" and enter the Hex Viewer and Hex
          > Editor. I also stumbled in= to what to do to cause it to let me bring up the
          > "Please create a n= ew user account" prompt where it lets me enter ALL the
          > settings for= a user account including the ISP Account, ISP Password,
          > Primary DN= S, etc., etc.
          >
          > While I have no wish to use the MailStation f= or its usual email purpose, I
          > have played with it enough and read e= nough messages here to know that this
          > might be useful info for some= body else so I thought I should document it
          > here for others. So her= e is how I go about it.
          >
          >  1. Be sure the unit has power= , either via AC adapter or batteries.
          >
          >  2. Start with t= he unit off.
          >
          >  3. We will begin by removing any old exi= sting user account settings and
          > setting the unit to the default us= er account. I have read in many places
          > where all one has to do is h= old down the "Function" and "D" keys while
          > pressing the reset butto= n but I have found that often does not work for
          > me. Some experiment= ing has taught me that this slight variation on that
          > procedure make= s it work reliably for me. I turn the unit on with the
          > power button= and let the unit come up into the main MailStation 250 menu.
          > Then,= with it still in that screen, I hold down the "Function" and "D"
          > k= eys and press the reset button and continue to hold down the "Function"
          = > and "D" keys during a pause of several seconds, followed by a brief> "Scanning memory data" progress bar, whereupon the unit presents the<= br>> "Reset System Data" menu. At this point the "Function" and "D" keys= may
          > be released. The "No Clear" menu item is highlighted. Press t= he down
          > arrow key once to move the highlight to the "Restore Defaul= t Account"
          > menu item and then press the "Enter" key to select it.>
          >  4. The unit prompts with the question "Are you sure to= clear?" and the
          > answer "Yes" is highlighted. Press the "Enter" key= . We end up in the main
          > "MailStation 250" menu. Just below the "Mai= lStation 250" text at the top
          > of the screen, we see that the unit's= email address now consists of the
          > unit's serial number followed by= "@...". If one selects
          > "Extras" and then "Settings", w= e can see that the user name has been set
          > to "New Customer". In any= case, press the power button to turn the unit
          > off.
          >
          >=   5. Next we simultaneously hold down the "Function" key, the "Q" key,= and
          > the "A" key and momentarily press the power button. We can rel= ease all
          > the keys when we then get a prompt that consists only of = a wide empty
          > rectangle in the middle of the screen.
          >
          >=   6. Type (without the quotes) "qa781206" and press the "Enter" key. W= e
          > arrive at the "DIAGNOSTIC MAIN MENU" screen.
          >
          > = ; 7. Hold down either Shift key while you press the F5 key. The F5 key is> the rightmost unlabeled button located just below the screen. You wi= ll
          > arrive at the Hex Viewer screen. The Hex Viewer is not labelled = as such.
          > It just appears as a screen full of hexadecimal digits wit= h a wide column
          > of alphanumeric and/or graphic characters on the ri= ght.
          >
          > The first three pairs of digits at the start of each l= ine is a memory
          > address. The first such address appearing on the to= p line of the screen
          > will be 00 00 00 followed by a colon (:) and t= hen the hexadecimal contents
          > of each of the 16 bytes of memory star= ting at that address.  When I do
          > this I see all zeros for tho= se 16 bytes. In fact, I see all zeros for the
          > hexadecimal contents = all down this page.
          >
          > At this point you could use the arrow k= eys, the "Pg up" key, and the "Pg
          > dn" key to move around in memory = to see its contents but we next need to
          > change the contents of one = particular memory cell.
          >
          >  8. In order to be able to cha= nge any cells we must enable the Hex Viewer
          > to enter its Hex Editor= mode. That requires entering something of a
          > special passcode. To d= o that, type in the following string (without the
          > quotes) "g710304x= " and then press the "Back" button. As soon as you press
          > the "g" ke= y, a small box will appear to allow you to enter the rest of
          > the st= ring. Do not worry that there is not enough room for the "x" at the
          >= end of the string in that box. In fact, you will not even see the "x" on> the screen but it is still important. When you press the "Back" but= ton,
          > the input box will simply disappear and things will look the s= ame as they
          > were before you typed in that special command.
          ><= br>>  9. Type in this string (without the quotes) "g022900" and pre= ss the
          > "Enter" key. While typing it in, the input box will again ap= pear
          > momentarily to allow you to finish typing the command. When yo= u press the
          > "Enter" key, the Hex Viewer will begin displaying the d= ata for the memory
          > cells beginning at address 022900. We can confir= m this is where we are in
          > memory by reading that the start of the f= irst line reads like this: 02 29
          > 00 : 01 00 4e 65 77 20 and so fort= h. If we look at the panel of
          > alphanumeric/graphic characters on th= e right side of the screen, we see
          > that the first line contains the= words "New Customer". Also, a few lines
          > after that, we see the def= ault email address consisting of the unit's
          > serial number followed= by "@..." We can also note that the
          > first digit (a zer= o) following that colon on the first line of the screen
          > is highligh= ted. Press the right arrow key one time to move the highlight
          > to th= e very next character which is a "1".
          >
          > 10. I suspect that th= is "1" indicates that there is one email account set
          > up in the unit= but that is just my best guess. In any case, I find that
          > for me th= is next step gets me to where I want to go. Press the "S" key. We
          > s= ee that the right part of the screen changes to indicate that we have
          &g= t; entered the Hex Editor. It shows us that we could press Ctrl+S to Save &= amp;
          > Exit, Back to Exit, Arrow to move the cursor, or 0-9,A-F for i= nput. We
          > also see that the highlight is still on that "1". (By the = way, although it
          > says "Ctrl+S" is used to "Save & Exit", all th= at is really needed is just
          > "S".)
          >
          > 11. Press the "0= " key (the zero key, not the alphabetic "O" key). Now the
          > two digit= number following that colon near the start of the first line
          > reads= "00" instead of "01". Next press the "S" key to save this small
          > me= mory change and return to the Hex Viewer display screen. I believe that
          = > we have just told the MailStation there are no email accounts currentl= y
          > set up.
          >
          > 12. Press the "Back" button to exit the H= ex Viewer and return to the
          > "DIAGNOSTIC MAIN MENU" screen.
          ><= br>> 13. Press the "Q" key to exit this screen. A "Test Over" message br= iefly
          > appears on the screen and then we see a "Scanning memory data= " progress
          > bar followed by the the "Reset System Data" menu again. = This time, it does
          > not include the "Restore Default Account" menu i= tem. The "No Clear" menu
          > item is highlighted. Press the "Enter" key= . We now see a prompt for
          > "Please create a new user account." with= an "OK" response highlighted.
          > Press the "Enter" key. We now see a = "User Settings" screen where we can
          > input a response to each of the= following prompts:
          >
          >      User Name:
          >=       Dial-Up No:
          >        Reply-T= o:
          > _____________________________________________________
          >&nb= sp; E-Mail Address:
          > E-Mail Password:
          >    POP3 Ser= ver:
          >    SMTP Server:
          >    ISP Account:<= br>>    ISP Password:
          >    Primary DNS:
          &g= t;
          > Once we have assigned a value to each prompt, press the F1 key w= hich is
          > now labelled "Save" at the bottom of the screen. The new us= er account data
          > is saved and we are left in the main "MailStation 2= 50" menu.
          >
          >
          >
          > For my own personal purposes, I w= ould like to see the MailStation be set
          > up to run just about any t= ype of operating system or other underlying
          > system that then suppor= ts some version of Microsoft Basic. It could be
          > MBasic under CP/M o= r it could be a Basic interpreter from one of the
          > TRS-80 computers.= I would even consider the very original Microsoft Basic
          > interprete= r, the one written for the Altair 8800. I helped a friend build
          > his= Altair 8800 many years ago and we wrote many programs on his system. I
          = > would at least want the version intended for 8K because the 4k version= did
          > not really support character strings. So I am pretty easy to s= atisfy. I
          > have become aware of FyberOptic and his FyOS operating sy= stem but have not
          > had time to totally gage its current state, avail= ability, and
          > applicability. In any case, I congratulate Jeff, Cyran= o, Don, and others
          > who have contributed so much of their time and = sweat to uncover the
          > secrets of these neat little computers.
          >= ;
          > Joe
          >
          >
          >



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          --32876369-25674708-1333167541=:91763-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jwatsjunk@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 32035 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2012 18:27:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m16.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2012 18:27:34 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng3-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.8) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2012 18:27:34 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.125] by ng3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2012 18:27:33 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by tg6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2012 18:27:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 18:27:31 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3293.192.168.101.21.1333164535.squirrel@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "ebjoew" Subject: Re: Procedures for MS 250 V1.12 and some wishes for repurposing it X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=220597999; y=V6iInVI-E4apkW4JQp5l_pcU8tksxwqSjI_aAW3JoQbv X-Yahoo-Profile: ebjoew Status: RO Content-Length: 10867 Lines: 332 Your guess is as good as mine about the 350 since I have never seen one. I = do know from reading many of the messages in this group that the 350 does n= ot use the same type of central processor chip and that means the firmware = in its ROMs will likely be very different. Does that mean that the data in = RAM is laid out the same? Well, it could be but I would bet against it. So = I would expect that these procedures would not work exactly as I have writt= en them but it is always possible that they might. Be careful. In my case,= I was not too worried about messing up my 250 since I only had a dollar in= vested in it and the only time I had invested was with reading hundreds of = messages and a few files located in this group. Good Luck, Joe --- In mai= lstation@yahoogroups.com, waynem@... wrote: > > Fantastic job !!!! > > Do = you think this might also work with the model 350 ? > Wayne > > > > Hello= All, > > > > I am a new arrival. I acquired a MailStation 250 at an auctio= n for a grand > > total of $1. It did not include an AC adapter nor a base = unit. It is a > > model DET2B with V1.12 firmware in a silvery grey case. I= opened it up to > > find out what was inside and to consider hacking this = gizmo. > > > > Since I do not have a base unit that communicates by RF with= the > > MailStation itself, the first thing I did was remove the antenna a= nd its > > connecting cable since it was useless. I rather expect to be doi= ng some > > hardware work inside this thing and I felt removing the antenna= and its > > cable from the board just simplified things a little. > > > > = Thanks to the details scattered around in the messages and files produced >= > in past by this group, I have found out how to get into those extra menu= s > > which let one "Restore Default Account" and enter the Hex Viewer and = Hex > > Editor. I also stumbled into what to do to cause it to let me bring= up the > > "Please create a new user account" prompt where it lets me ente= r ALL the > > settings for a user account including the ISP Account, ISP Pa= ssword, > > Primary DNS, etc., etc. > > > > While I have no wish to use the= MailStation for its usual email purpose, I > > have played with it enough = and read enough messages here to know that this > > might be useful info fo= r somebody else so I thought I should document it > > here for others. So h= ere is how I go about it. > > > > 1. Be sure the unit has power, either vi= a AC adapter or batteries. > > > > 2. Start with the unit off. > > > > 3.= We will begin by removing any old existing user account settings and > > s= etting the unit to the default user account. I have read in many places > >= where all one has to do is hold down the "Function" and "D" keys while > >= pressing the reset button but I have found that often does not work for > = > me. Some experimenting has taught me that this slight variation on that >= > procedure makes it work reliably for me. I turn the unit on with the > >= power button and let the unit come up into the main MailStation 250 menu. = > > Then, with it still in that screen, I hold down the "Function" and "D" = > > keys and press the reset button and continue to hold down the "Function= " > > and "D" keys during a pause of several seconds, followed by a brief >= > "Scanning memory data" progress bar, whereupon the unit presents the > >= "Reset System Data" menu. At this point the "Function" and "D" keys may > = > be released. The "No Clear" menu item is highlighted. Press the down > > = arrow key once to move the highlight to the "Restore Default Account" > > m= enu item and then press the "Enter" key to select it. > > > > 4. The unit = prompts with the question "Are you sure to clear?" and the > > answer "Yes"= is highlighted. Press the "Enter" key. We end up in the main > > "MailStat= ion 250" menu. Just below the "MailStation 250" text at the top > > of the = screen, we see that the unit's email address now consists of the > > unit's= serial number followed by "@...". If one selects > > "Extras" = and then "Settings", we can see that the user name has been set > > to "New= Customer". In any case, press the power button to turn the unit > > off. >= > > > 5. Next we simultaneously hold down the "Function" key, the "Q" key= , and > > the "A" key and momentarily press the power button. We can releas= e all > > the keys when we then get a prompt that consists only of a wide e= mpty > > rectangle in the middle of the screen. > > > > 6. Type (without t= he quotes) "qa781206" and press the "Enter" key. We > > arrive at the "DIAG= NOSTIC MAIN MENU" screen. > > > > 7. Hold down either Shift key while you = press the F5 key. The F5 key is > > the rightmost unlabeled button located = just below the screen. You will > > arrive at the Hex Viewer screen. The He= x Viewer is not labelled as such. > > It just appears as a screen full of h= exadecimal digits with a wide column > > of alphanumeric and/or graphic cha= racters on the right. > > > > The first three pairs of digits at the start = of each line is a memory > > address. The first such address appearing on t= he top line of the screen > > will be 00 00 00 followed by a colon (:) and = then the hexadecimal contents > > of each of the 16 bytes of memory startin= g at that address. When I do > > this I see all zeros for those 16 bytes. = In fact, I see all zeros for the > > hexadecimal contents all down this pag= e. > > > > At this point you could use the arrow keys, the "Pg up" key, and= the "Pg > > dn" key to move around in memory to see its contents but we ne= xt need to > > change the contents of one particular memory cell. > > > > = 8. In order to be able to change any cells we must enable the Hex Viewer > = > to enter its Hex Editor mode. That requires entering something of a > > s= pecial passcode. To do that, type in the following string (without the > > = quotes) "g710304x" and then press the "Back" button. As soon as you press >= > the "g" key, a small box will appear to allow you to enter the rest of >= > the string. Do not worry that there is not enough room for the "x" at th= e > > end of the string in that box. In fact, you will not even see the "x"= on > > the screen but it is still important. When you press the "Back" but= ton, > > the input box will simply disappear and things will look the same = as they > > were before you typed in that special command. > > > > 9. Type= in this string (without the quotes) "g022900" and press the > > "Enter" ke= y. While typing it in, the input box will again appear > > momentarily to a= llow you to finish typing the command. When you press the > > "Enter" key, = the Hex Viewer will begin displaying the data for the memory > > cells begi= nning at address 022900. We can confirm this is where we are in > > memory = by reading that the start of the first line reads like this: 02 29 > > 00 := 01 00 4e 65 77 20 and so forth. If we look at the panel of > > alphanumeri= c/graphic characters on the right side of the screen, we see > > that the f= irst line contains the words "New Customer". Also, a few lines > > after th= at, we see the default email address consisting of the unit's > > serial nu= mber followed by "@..." We can also note that the > > first dig= it (a zero) following that colon on the first line of the screen > > is hig= hlighted. Press the right arrow key one time to move the highlight > > to t= he very next character which is a "1". > > > > 10. I suspect that this "1" = indicates that there is one email account set > > up in the unit but that i= s just my best guess. In any case, I find that > > for me this next step ge= ts me to where I want to go. Press the "S" key. We > > see that the right p= art of the screen changes to indicate that we have > > entered the Hex Edit= or. It shows us that we could press Ctrl+S to Save & > > Exit, Back to Exit= , Arrow to move the cursor, or 0-9,A-F for input. We > > also see that the = highlight is still on that "1". (By the way, although it > > says "Ctrl+S" = is used to "Save & Exit", all that is really needed is just > > "S".) > > >= > 11. Press the "0" key (the zero key, not the alphabetic "O" key). Now th= e > > two digit number following that colon near the start of the first lin= e > > reads "00" instead of "01". Next press the "S" key to save this small= > > memory change and return to the Hex Viewer display screen. I believe t= hat > > we have just told the MailStation there are no email accounts curre= ntly > > set up. > > > > 12. Press the "Back" button to exit the Hex Viewer= and return to the > > "DIAGNOSTIC MAIN MENU" screen. > > > > 13. Press the= "Q" key to exit this screen. A "Test Over" message briefly > > appears on = the screen and then we see a "Scanning memory data" progress > > bar follow= ed by the the "Reset System Data" menu again. This time, it does > > not in= clude the "Restore Default Account" menu item. The "No Clear" menu > > item= is highlighted. Press the "Enter" key. We now see a prompt for > > "Please= create a new user account." with an "OK" response highlighted. > > Press t= he "Enter" key. We now see a "User Settings" screen where we can > > input = a response to each of the following prompts: > > > > User Name: > > = Dial-Up No: > > Reply-To: > > __________________________________= ___________________ > > E-Mail Address: > > E-Mail Password: > > POP3 = Server: > > SMTP Server: > > ISP Account: > > ISP Password: > > = Primary DNS: > > > > Once we have assigned a value to each prompt, pres= s the F1 key which is > > now labelled "Save" at the bottom of the screen. = The new user account data > > is saved and we are left in the main "MailSta= tion 250" menu. > > > > > > > > For my own personal purposes, I would like = to see the MailStation be set > > up to run just about any type of operatin= g system or other underlying > > system that then supports some version of = Microsoft Basic. It could be > > MBasic under CP/M or it could be a Basic i= nterpreter from one of the > > TRS-80 computers. I would even consider the = very original Microsoft Basic > > interpreter, the one written for the Alta= ir 8800. I helped a friend build > > his Altair 8800 many years ago and we = wrote many programs on his system. I > > would at least want the version in= tended for 8K because the 4k version did > > not really support character s= trings. So I am pretty easy to satisfy. I > > have become aware of FyberOpt= ic and his FyOS operating system but have not > > had time to totally gage = its current state, availability, and > > applicability. In any case, I cong= ratulate Jeff, Cyrano, Don, and others > > who have contributed so much of = their time and sweat to uncover the > > secrets of these neat little comput= ers. > > > > Joe > > > > > > > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2969 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2012 08:50:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2012 08:50:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng10-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.122) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2012 08:50:34 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=lima; t=1333356633; bh=gKKUBi9oEvBSSRTh+e/aT07RSB7nk8dVoaeLTlpFDdM=; h=Received:Received:X-Sender:X-Apparently-To:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:X-Received:Date:To:Message-ID:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-Originating-IP:X-eGroups-Msg-Info:X-Yahoo-Post-IP:From:Subject:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:X-Yahoo-Profile:X-YGroups-SubInfo:Sender:X-eGroups-Approved-By:X-eGroups-Auth; b=Cbx9O3BV6ikm6GakwzXQLwEiFBO3bmxtCVwcS4i1fc5aI/27r4jJmTvQ8CtjUg9Jt4DVEXWypsTuJLiWNmj5Oc93kUUesHB57Bl3+vUd7M79XEJLts0UEj6kjycFf8Xg Received: from [98.137.0.80] by ng10.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2012 08:50:33 -0000 Received: from [98.137.34.36] by tg1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2012 08:50:33 -0000 X-Sender: warrenbowman@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 48891 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2012 08:05:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.162) by m13.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2012 08:05:55 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng1-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.5) by mta6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2012 08:05:55 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.88] by ng1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2012 08:05:54 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.36] by tg8.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2012 08:05:54 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 08:05:52 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "Warren Bowman" Subject: get mail on another device? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=263017126; y=oIAo4fe2dCCPrhFVHfp9PmnDJLFfQkL5f2dPcFmlrRNuXSuQSpJS X-Yahoo-Profile: misterbee310 X-eGroups-Approved-By: cyranojones_lalp via web; 02 Apr 2012 08:50:32 -0000 Status: RO Content-Length: 388 Lines: 14 Hello, My mother has been using her Mailstation for many years, but she is= thinking of getting another device to use, possibly an iPad or a computer.= she does not want to change her email address. Is there a way for her to s= end and receive from her Mailstation account on another device, or is the a= ccount somehow locked to the mailstation? Thank you for your time, Warren= From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... 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Subject: Re: [mailstation] get mail on another device? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=uGBPuKiAfC5qTGvoGiat18PZwMB4ZNBD7tNODK9tupWGUP4xAxYpdw X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 1154 Lines: 34 It is a normal POP3 and SMTP email account. You can log into it using their webmail from any browser. But you have to know what passwords were used in setting it up. There is the ISP account and password, which you will not use if you already have internet access on the new device (it is for dial-up access). Then you have the email account and password. If you already have internet access, you can use Microsoft Outlook or something else to connect to the incoming mail server and outgoing mail server. Or go to www.Earthlink.com and use the webmail access tab on the upper right. Enter the email address ( "user"@...) and then your email password. The browser will open up on the email account, and you can send and receive from it. Wayne > Hello, > > My mother has been using her Mailstation for many years, but she is > thinking of getting another device to use, possibly an iPad or a computer. > she does not want to change her email address. Is there a way for her to > send and receive from her Mailstation account on another device, or is the > account somehow locked to the mailstation? > > Thank you for your time, > > Warren > > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: musicalman77@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 49458 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2012 17:19:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m6.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2012 17:19:26 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.252) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2012 17:19:26 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.177] by ng17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2012 17:19:25 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.51] by tg2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2012 17:19:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 17:19:23 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "musicalman77" Subject: Re: get mail on another device? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189279481; y=v3Iaalc24_ExJT_uAvLwk37TEbGKV3YfgKwtQb7sUwRxYXSaAKSv X-Yahoo-Profile: musicalman77 Status: RO Content-Length: 2893 Lines: 63 What Wayne said. Each MailStation account has an associated Earthlink webm= ail account and it is easy to access from anywhere just like any webmail ac= count. In fact, I think all the mail really goes there first then is actua= lly downloaded by the MailStation device which acts as a "mail client" (I'm= not too technical so I could be wrong, but it looked that way in mom's, al= though sometimes stuff would appear one place but not the other or vanish f= rom webmail once downloaded to the MailStation?) However, you might point = out to her the following: 1) If she keeps the account, it will cost her an= other $10/month or whatever Earthlink is now charging for MailStation e-mai= l (my mom died just over a year ago), in addition to her cost of an ISP for= the new device (even if she foolishly uses Earthlink for that, I don't thi= nk they'll cooperate on the MailStation account - see #2) 2) Earthlink is = aggressively trying to let MailStation die out; they will not make any chan= ges to accounts nor open new ones, and what little and poor "support" is av= ailable is through CSRs in India or Pakistan If she indeed changes, why no= t try to get her the same e-mail name on a nice webmail account or her new = ISP, if available, e.g., from "MotherName123@..." (or @mymailstatio= n.com or whatever she is using) to "MotherName123@..." or @yahoo or @= newISP. We did this with my mom's when she was no longer able to drive her= own MailStation anymore, and it enabled me to access her e-mail and answer= it for her FREE (vs. accessing it through EL webmail for $10 per month ext= ra). It was easy to use the old MailStation to send one last "change of e-= mail address" e-mail to all her contacts, and the thing has a printer port = (LPT1 - Centronics type) to print out her address book. That would have to= manually be input into the new account (and even into the associated Earth= link webmail account; the addresses are in I guess flash memory on the devi= ce itself), unless you are smart enough to make a program to convert them f= rom a print file. (I actually used an OCR scanner on the printed pages of = Mom's) Hope this info helps. If she's not short on cash, I guess just let= her pay the extra $10/month to avoid hassles (until EL pulls the plug on M= ailStation entirely). My mom was always scrambling to save a buck, as are = most seniors on fixed incomes. --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Warre= n Bowman" wrote: > > Hello, > > My mother has been usin= g her Mailstation for many years, but she is thinking of getting another de= vice to use, possibly an iPad or a computer. she does not want to change he= r email address. Is there a way for her to send and receive from her Mailst= ation account on another device, or is the account somehow locked to the ma= ilstation? > > Thank you for your time, > > Warren > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: musicalman77@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 35447 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2012 17:29:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.160) by m9.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2012 17:29:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng11-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.135) by mta4.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2012 17:29:36 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.83] by ng11.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2012 17:29:36 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.184] by tg3.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Apr 2012 17:29:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 17:29:34 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "musicalman77" Subject: Re: get mail on another device? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=189279481; y=eYKXmuXvpwcDIyQEo2KdihaCvjrtiCcgK5bVsQa5RzIdz1dlrEuJ X-Yahoo-Profile: musicalman77 Status: RO Content-Length: 3632 Lines: 82 Oops! I forgot Jon already made something to do what I was talking about. = See messages #1000 & subsequent on the Group Message Board. @Jon K.--- wh= at's the status of that? I'd like to convert Mom's old MailStation to the = 'portable writing device' that will export a text file to a PC via USB. Di= d you ever get that all working, and how would I go about doing that, if it= 's not too costly? I'm not technical, but have an EE friend who might help= if it's needed. You can e-mail me directly if you want or post it in repl= y here for others to benefit as well. Thanks! ~Jon (the other one) --- I= n mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "musicalman77" wrote: > >= What Wayne said. Each MailStation account has an associated Earthlink web= mail account and it is easy to access from anywhere just like any webmail a= ccount. In fact, I think all the mail really goes there first then is actu= ally downloaded by the MailStation device which acts as a "mail client" (I'= m not too technical so I could be wrong, but it looked that way in mom's, a= lthough sometimes stuff would appear one place but not the other or vanish = from webmail once downloaded to the MailStation?) > > However, you might p= oint out to her the following: > > 1) If she keeps the account, it will co= st her another $10/month or whatever Earthlink is now charging for MailStat= ion e-mail (my mom died just over a year ago), in addition to her cost of a= n ISP for the new device (even if she foolishly uses Earthlink for that, I = don't think they'll cooperate on the MailStation account - see #2) > > 2) = Earthlink is aggressively trying to let MailStation die out; they will not = make any changes to accounts nor open new ones, and what little and poor "s= upport" is available is through CSRs in India or Pakistan > > If she indee= d changes, why not try to get her the same e-mail name on a nice webmail ac= count or her new ISP, if available, e.g., from "MotherName123@..." (or @mym= ailstation.com or whatever she is using) to "MotherName123@..." or @yahoo o= r @newISP. We did this with my mom's when she was no longer able to drive = her own MailStation anymore, and it enabled me to access her e-mail and ans= wer it for her FREE (vs. accessing it through EL webmail for $10 per month = extra). It was easy to use the old MailStation to send one last "change of= e-mail address" e-mail to all her contacts, and the thing has a printer po= rt (LPT1 - Centronics type) to print out her address book. That would have= to manually be input into the new account (and even into the associated Ea= rthlink webmail account; the addresses are in I guess flash memory on the d= evice itself), unless you are smart enough to make a program to convert the= m from a print file. (I actually used an OCR scanner on the printed pages = of Mom's) > > Hope this info helps. If she's not short on cash, I guess j= ust let her pay the extra $10/month to avoid hassles (until EL pulls the pl= ug on MailStation entirely). My mom was always scrambling to save a buck, = as are most seniors on fixed incomes. > > > --- In mailstation@yahoogroup= s.com, "Warren Bowman" wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > My mo= ther has been using her Mailstation for many years, but she is thinking of = getting another device to use, possibly an iPad or a computer. she does not= want to change her email address. Is there a way for her to send and recei= ve from her Mailstation account on another device, or is the account someho= w locked to the mailstation? > > > > Thank you for your time, > > > > War= ren > > > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... 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          Then they should offer a dial up service that switches the device= s over to GMail!
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          2) Earthlink is aggressively tr= ying to let MailStation die out; they will not make any changes to account= s nor open new ones, and what little and poor "support" is available is th= rough CSRs in India or Pakistan

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X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 93130 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2012 19:56:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Apr 2012 19:56:39 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (216.224.236.178) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2012 19:56:39 -0000 X-Received: from www.handypage.net (localhost.handypage.net [127.0.0.1]) by www.handypage.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/netmax) with SMTP id q33JRr8j017629 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 12:27:53 -0700 X-Received: from computer1.handypage5.net ([192.168.101.21]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user waynem) by www.handypage.net with HTTP; Tue, 3 Apr 2012 12:27:53 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3033.192.168.101.21.1333481273.squirrel@...> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 12:27:53 -0700 (MST) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: waynem@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] get mail on another device? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=JBlRsZCXmbvSWkvQpCDYK4tA01Hy277wHBd50cfap8GwN0i9cJPTWg X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 1072 Lines: 36 YES, Earthlink is no longer supporting the Mailstations. But they are NOT actively trying to close those accounts (that I am aware of). They will just NOT open a new mailstation account or can no longer swap mailstations on an account (if yours is broken). That is because the special mailstation server that they had setup is no longer running to be able to do that. But you can use the Mailstation account just like any other Earthlink webmail account or dial-up email account. It uses the same SMTP and POP3 protocols Gmail or others use. I do wish they would allow others to see the programming on the mailstation devices, so we could then keep existing accounts running, and install units on new accounts. Wayne > Then they should offer a dial up service that switches the devices over to > GMail! > > Neil > > > From: musicalman77 > > > 2) Earthlink is aggressively trying to let MailStation die out; they will > not make any changes to accounts nor open new ones, and what little and > poor "support" is available is through CSRs in India or Pakistan > > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: warrenbowman@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 327 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2012 07:57:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m14.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2012 07:57:16 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng10-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.189) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2012 07:57:16 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.176] by ng10.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2012 07:57:04 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.34.155] by tg1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2012 07:57:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 07:57:03 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3033.192.168.101.21.1333481273.squirrel@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: "Warren Bowman" Subject: Re: get mail on another device? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=263017126; y=pcBykldHTnbUmxR44pvM-k50kCxahUDVw9aAYmPCRNqwB_Xf3KTP X-Yahoo-Profile: misterbee310 Status: RO Content-Length: 1483 Lines: 65 Thank you *all* for the great advice. If I go ahead with this, Mom is very = attached to her email address, and doesn't want to give it up. Can anyone t= ell me what the POP3 and SMTP server settings would be for her account? Th= anks again, Warren --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, waynem@... wrote: = > > YES, Earthlink is no longer supporting the Mailstations. But they are N= OT > actively trying to close those accounts (that I am aware of). They wil= l > just NOT open a new mailstation account or can no longer swap mailstati= ons > on an account (if yours is broken). That is because the special > mai= lstation server that they had setup is no longer running to be able to > do= that. > > But you can use the Mailstation account just like any other Ear= thlink > webmail account or dial-up email account. It uses the same SMTP a= nd POP3 > protocols Gmail or others use. > > I do wish they would allow ot= hers to see the programming on the > mailstation devices, so we could then = keep existing accounts running, and > install units on new accounts. > > = > Wayne > > > > > Then they should offer a dial up service that switches= the devices over to > > GMail! > > > > Neil > > > > > > From: musicalman77= > > > > > > 2) Earthlink is aggressively trying to let MailStation die out= ; they will > > not make any changes to accounts nor open new ones, and wha= t little and > > poor "support" is available is through CSRs in India or Pa= kistan > > > > > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: waynem@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 4533 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2012 11:42:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.35.161) by m2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2012 11:42:01 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO www.handypage.net) (216.224.236.178) by mta5.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2012 11:42:01 -0000 X-Received: from www.handypage.net (localhost.handypage.net [127.0.0.1]) by www.handypage.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/netmax) with SMTP id q34BDD8j008381 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 04:13:13 -0700 X-Received: from computer1.handypage5.net ([192.168.101.21]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user waynem) by www.handypage.net with HTTP; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 04:13:13 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <2491.192.168.101.21.1333537993.squirrel@...> In-Reply-To: References: <3033.192.168.101.21.1333481273.squirrel@...> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 04:13:13 -0700 (MST) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: waynem@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: get mail on another device? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=46330777; y=TpxYV3ggImJKVB27etUMqDozIaBNbXSyevu12XaeaRVcg6-io1B07A X-Yahoo-Profile: iwireless2001 Status: RO Content-Length: 2569 Lines: 91 If you are going to continue to use Earthlink as the "dial-up" Service provider, then you would have the following settings. 1. For the connection for the ISP: (on Earthlink) The Dial-up telephone number; The Dial-up User Name; The Dial-up Password; The ISP DNS number; 2. For the Actual Email Account: (on Earthlink) The Email User Name; (mom@...) The Email Password; The Email SMTP server; (smtp.mailstation.com) The Email POP3 server; (pop.mailstation.com) If you are going to be using DSL or Cable modem to get your ISP service, you would not need section 1. Section 2 is almost worldwide standard for all email client software, even such as Microsoft Express and Microsoft Outlook. The SMTP server uses Port 25, and the POP3 server uses Port 110. If you are using another ISP for Section 1, make sure they are NOT blocking Port 25 on your connection with them, so you will be able to send out email. Most do block it to eliminate spam being sent out on their system, and to get you to use their email service. Hope this helps ? Wayne > Thank you *all* for the great advice. If I go ahead with this, Mom is very > attached to her email address, and doesn't want to give it up. Can anyone > tell me what the POP3 and SMTP server settings would be for her account? > > Thanks again, > > Warren > > --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, waynem@... wrote: >> >> YES, Earthlink is no longer supporting the Mailstations. But they are >> NOT >> actively trying to close those accounts (that I am aware of). They will >> just NOT open a new mailstation account or can no longer swap >> mailstations >> on an account (if yours is broken). That is because the special >> mailstation server that they had setup is no longer running to be able >> to >> do that. >> >> But you can use the Mailstation account just like any other Earthlink >> webmail account or dial-up email account. It uses the same SMTP and >> POP3 >> protocols Gmail or others use. >> >> I do wish they would allow others to see the programming on the >> mailstation devices, so we could then keep existing accounts running, >> and >> install units on new accounts. >> >> >> Wayne >> >> >> >> > Then they should offer a dial up service that switches the devices >> over to >> > GMail! >> > >> > Neil >> > >> > >> > From: musicalman77 >> > >> > >> > 2) Earthlink is aggressively trying to let MailStation die out; they >> will >> > not make any changes to accounts nor open new ones, and what little >> and >> > poor "support" is available is through CSRs in India or Pakistan >> > >> > >> > > > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jonk@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 39849 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2012 03:48:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.45) by m10.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2012 03:48:12 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO homiemail-a81.g.dreamhost.com) (208.113.200.5) by mta2.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2012 03:48:12 -0000 X-Received: from homiemail-a81.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a81.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B277A806C for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 20:48:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: from Jon-ThinkPad.ftrdhcpuser.net (static-50-53-139-17.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net [50.53.139.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jonk@...) by homiemail-a81.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1C49AA806A for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2012 20:48:12 -0700 (PDT) To: Mailstation list Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 20:48:14 -0700 Organization: Infinite Factors Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 5.00/32.1171 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Jon Kirwan Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: get mail on another device? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=323600762; y=RVkwn-HoNcxIbttyAusxRBrtSCd4WNprkceCsBr2ktBnPPEKZA X-Yahoo-Profile: jondkirwan Status: RO Content-Length: 1202 Lines: 44 On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 17:29:34 -0000, musicalman77 wrote: > Oops! I forgot = Jon already made something to do what I was > talking about. See messages = #1000 & subsequent on the Group > Message Board. > > @Jon K.--- what's the = status of that? I'd like to convert > Mom's old MailStation to the 'portab= le writing device' that > will export a text file to a PC via USB. Did you= ever get > that all working, and how would I go about doing that, if > it'= s not too costly? I'm not technical, but have an EE > friend who might hel= p if it's needed. You can e-mail me > directly if you want or post it in r= eply here for others to > benefit as well. Thanks! The project cost me le= ss than $10 in actual supplies and the software works just fine. I've got t= he "little box" right here and I still use in on occasion to transfer files= into the PC. It's a concept that worked out for my needs. But I'd love to= consider other ideas that might improve or expand what it can do. And I'd = be glad to work on the designs. I have a variety of mailstation units here,= too. At least three different varieties, I think, including some CIDCOs. T= hey all seem to work with my little box. 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Alguien lo tien= e, aunque sea a mano el dibujo? I've seen the pictures of the connection, = but there is a diagram. Someone has even Cartoon characters? From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 94753 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2012 07:32:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (98.137.34.46) by m1.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2012 07:32:38 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mail-vc0-f179.google.com) (209.85.220.179) by mta3.grp.sp2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2012 07:32:38 -0000 X-Received: by mail-vc0-f179.google.com with SMTP id p1so5124776vcq.38 for ; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 23:32:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.221.203 with SMTP id id11mr9257488vcb.42.1353742357408; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 23:32:37 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.220.157.13 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Nov 2012 23:32:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 23:32:37 -0800 Message-ID: To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9ccdd4e54ab4704cf38b4b2 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Neil Morrison Subject: Re: [mailstation] Please help me with the diagram the interface hardware X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=269394943; y=WHosSLR0nftW70vQYr2qn2ZBQMhIiAQOI0TrM3n6gw0vWt7BNg X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 1453 Lines: 69 --14dae9ccdd4e54ab4704cf38b4b2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Did you look at http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/files/ Neil On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 2:22 AM, german wrote: > ** > > > He visto las fotos de la conexion, pero no hay un diagrama. Alguien lo > tiene, aunque sea a mano el dibujo? > > I've seen the pictures of the connection, but there is a diagram. Someone > has even Cartoon characters? > --14dae9ccdd4e54ab4704cf38b4b2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Did you look at

          http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/files/
          =
          Neil

          On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 2:22 AM,= german <gaam682002@...> wrote:
          =A0 <= div>

          He visto las fotos de la co= nexion, pero no hay un diagrama. Alguien lo tiene, aunque sea a mano el dib= ujo?

          I've seen the pictures of the connection, but there is a = diagram. Someone has even Cartoon characters?


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On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 7:45 PM, wrote: > ** > > > Hi, > I have a mailstation 100, I'= ve managed to put it in test mode and I > pressed 2 to do a fast test. > Th= en the LCD screen cleared and the device never returned to an usable > stat= e. > > There is no indication of activity, I have reseted it, disconnected = it for > several hours, but no luck. > > There is a way to restore it to a = default state? > I know that if I left it in test mode and turn it off and = on the machine > is still in test mode until I press Q > > Rom version is 1= .08 (from memory) and is a device customized for > Telefonica de Argentina.= > > Regards, > Eduardo. > > > --bcaec5540566b600bc04d7ada3de Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
          have you tried FN key + D and reset?


          On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at= 7:45 PM, <fuentesea@...> wrote:
          =A0 =

          Hi,
          I have a mailstat= ion 100, I've managed to put it in test mode and I pressed 2 to do a fa= st test.
          Then the LCD screen cleared and the device never returned to a= n usable state.

          There is no indication of activity, I have reseted= it, disconnected it for several hours, but no luck.

          There is a wa= y to restore it to a default state?
          I know that if I left it in test mo= de and turn it off and on the machine is still in test mode until I press Q=

          Rom version is 1.08 (from memory) and is a device customized for = Telefonica de Argentina.

          Regards,
          Eduardo.

          =

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On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 7:45 PM, wrote: =C2=A0 >Hi, >I have a mailstation 100, I've managed to put = it in test mode and I pressed 2 to do a fast test. >Then the LCD screen cle= ared and the device never returned to an usable state. > >There is no indic= ation of activity, I have reseted it, disconnected it for several hours, bu= t no luck. > >There is a way to restore it to a default state? >I know that= if I left it in test mode and turn it off and on the machine is still in t= est mode until I press Q > >Rom version is 1.08 (from memory) and is a devi= ce customized for Telefonica de Argentina. > >Regards, >Eduardo. > > ---1622010646-1590527182-1363043865=:54402 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
          Yes,
          Fn+D do not work in this device neither in a working= one (ROM 1.68).

           
          De: Govind C =
          Para: mailstation@yahoo= groups.com
          Enviado: lun= es, 11 de marzo de 2013 19:24
          Asunt= o: Re: [mailstation] mailstation 100 problem
           =
          have you tried FN key + D= and reset?
          On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 7:45 PM, <fuentesea@...<= /A>> wrote:
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Did it do the tests? Did it pass all of them? = I don't have any version lower than 2.21, but if we assume the test mode i= s the same in your 1.68, then "2 fast test" should display: 1.Flash = PASS 2.Key PASS 3.Printer Port SKIP 4.RAM = PASS 5.ROM step 5 takes about 15 seconds, and the= n it displays: Battery TESTING Battery Down at this point I have to hit e= nter to proceed, and it adds "FALSE" to display. (I don't have any battery= installed.) I have to hit enter again to get back to test menu. Are you = running on wall power supply, or batteries????? Could your batteries have d= ied during the test????? From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: fuentesea@... 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I don't know if some tests have passed because= the LCD is completely blank. I'm running on wall only. It's weird, the dev= ice was working until I tried to do fast test, other tests ran OK. Other sy= mptoms that both units have in common (when the two were operational) are: = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 When I try to connect to send or receive mail, the units= reset themselves and the Reset system data menu appears after boot. =C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 In test mode F/A Tester(3) selected, DTMF(7) or E-mail(8) test= s reset the device. =C2=A0 Device with ROM 1.08 is almost dead for now. Dev= ice with ROM 1.68 is working and can run tests, except for those that are r= elated to the modem (reboot). =C2=A0 ________________________________ De: = bob Para: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Enviado: lunes,= 11 de marzo de 2013 22:41 Asunto: [mailstation] Re: mailstation 100 proble= m =C2=A0 --- In mailto:mailstation%40yahoogroups.com, fuentesea@... wrote= : > > Hi, > I have a mailstation 100, I've managed to put it in test > mod= e and I pressed 2 to do a fast test. > Then the LCD screen cleared and the = device never returned > to an usable state. Did it do the tests? Did it= pass all of them? I don't have any version lower than 2.21, but if we ass= ume the test mode is the same in your 1.68, then "2 fast test" should displ= ay: 1.Flash PASS 2.Key PASS 3.Printer Port SKIP 4.RAM PASS 5.ROM step 5 takes about 15 seconds, and then it displays: Battery TESTING Ba= ttery Down at this point I have to hit enter to proceed, and it adds "FALS= E" to display. (I don't have any battery installed.) I have to hit enter a= gain to get back to test menu. Are you running on wall power supply, or ba= tteries????? Could your batteries have died during the test????? ---1179957465-1895486985-1363062637=:58058 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
          It didn't do any test, may be the only si= gnal after I pressed 2 was the mail LED that flashed one time.
          =
          I don't know if som= e tests have passed because the LCD is completely blank.
          I'm running on wall only.=
          It's w= eird, the device was working until I tried to do fast test, other tests ran= OK.
          Ot= her symptoms that both units have in common (when the two were operational)= are:
          &= nbsp;   When I try to connect to send or receive mail, the units = reset themselves and the Reset system data menu appears after boot.<= /div>
              In t= est mode F/A Tester(3) selected, DTMF(7) or E-mail(8) tests reset the device.
           
          Device with ROM 1.08 is almost dead for now.
          Device with= ROM 1.68 is working and can run tests, except for those that are related t= o the modem (reboot).
           
          De: bob
          Para: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
          Enviado: lunes, 11 de marzo de 2013 22:= 41
          Asunto: [mailstation]= Re: mailstation 100 problem
           
          --- In mailto:mailstation%40yahoogroups= .com, fuentesea@... wrote:
          >
          > Hi,
          > I have a mailsta= tion 100, I've managed to put it in test
          > mode and I pressed 2 to d= o a fast test.
          > Then the LCD screen cleared and the device never ret= urned
          > to an usable state.

          Did it do the tests?

          Did = it pass all of them?

          I don't have any version lower than 2.21, but i= f we assume the
          test mode is the same in your 1.68, then "2 fast test" s= hould
          display:

          1.Flash PASS
          2.Key PASS
          3.Printer Port SKIP<= BR>4.RAM PASS
          5.ROM

          step 5 takes about 15 second= s, and then it displays:

          Battery TESTING
          Battery Down

          at t= his point I have to hit enter to proceed, and
          it adds "FALSE" to display= . (I don't have any battery installed.)

          I have to hit enter again t= o get back to test menu.

          Are you running on wall power supply, or ba= tteries?????
          Could your batteries have died during the test?????

          =
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X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 24238 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2013 06:20:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.151) by m4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Mar 2013 06:20:24 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng17-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.148) by mta5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2013 06:20:24 -0000 X-Received: from [98.139.164.124] by ng17.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2013 06:20:24 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.105] by tg5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Mar 2013 06:20:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 06:20:24 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1363062637.58058.YahooMailNeo@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: "CyranoJ" Subject: Re: mailstation 100 problem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=b3ixPGISuQdAgYb-ajf2zYexOtmKjyXl5J2mbdZyIoeMUTUwMTyAieqBaw X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 309 Lines: 17 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, Eduardo Fuentes wrote: = > > > I don't know if some tests have passed because the LCD is completely = blank. 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I think that it's a hardwa= re problem. I was looking for an internal jumper or similar to reset the de= vice to a factory state. The weird thing is that it was working until I tri= ed to do a fast test.. I'll try to set up a logic analyzer and I'm=C2=A0goi= ng to measure Z80 bus or RAM/ROM/dataflash CS signals activity. Perhaps the= cold reset circuit is faulty. ________________________________ De: Cyra= noJ Para: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Enviado= : jueves, 14 de marzo de 2013 3:20 Asunto: [mailstation] Re: mailstation 10= 0 problem =C2=A0 --- In mailto:mailstation%40yahoogroups.com, Eduardo Fue= ntes wrote: > > > I don't know if some tests have passed be= cause the LCD is completely blank. Is it possible that the brightness got = turned down? There is a thumbwheel on edge of case, and it is easy to tur= n down accidentally. CJ ---2016055526-656799087-1363266541=:21303 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
          No, I've turned it up, down, middle and n= o luck.
          I think that it's a hardware problem. I was looking for an internal jumper= or similar to reset the device to a factory state.
          The weird thing is that it was= working until I tried to do a fast test..
          I'll try to set up a logic analyzer and= I'm going to measure Z80 bus or RAM/ROM/dataflash CS signals activity= . Perhaps the cold reset circuit is faulty.

          De= : CyranoJ
          Para: mailstation@yahoogroups.com
          = Enviado: jueves, 14 de marzo d= e 2013 3:20
          Asunto: [mai= lstation] Re: mailstation 100 problem
           
          --- In mailto:mailstation%40yahoogroups.com, Eduardo Fuentes wrote:
          >
          >
          > I don't know if some tests have p= assed because the LCD is completely blank.

          Is it possible that the b= rightness got turned down?

          There is a thumbwheel on edge of case, a= nd it is easy to turn down accidentally.

          CJ

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X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 81149 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2013 00:58:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.163) by m12.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2013 00:58:05 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng20-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com) (98.136.219.252) by mta3.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2013 00:58:05 -0000 X-Received: from [98.137.0.80] by ng20.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 00:58:04 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.106] by tg1.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 00:58:04 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 00:58:02 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: fuentesea@... Subject: Re: mailstation 100 problem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163900457; y=P9MfbmBmV7fks0X2a7-POUzSx06YiVL27HdfwfrMF5SXTlMQ X-Yahoo-Profile: fuentesea Status: RO Content-Length: 1372 Lines: 43 I could make it boot. I've put a bridge between 6V rail and the positive le= g of C306. I know that I'm a little out of spec for 5V components (I'm gett= ing 5.6V currently). I'll use a 7805 tomorrow until I find a solution for t= his problem. I think may be the 74HC74 may be faulty, because the key test = pass OK for the on/off button but it does not starts when I press it withou= t the bridge. With the bridge on when I press the button the device behaves= as if it were turned off, keyboard don't respond any more but the screen i= s still on due the bridge. Do you think that 74HC74 may be burned out or th= ere are other things that may be bad in the on/off circuit? Does anybody ha= s the schematics? --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, fuentesea@... wrote:= > > Hi, > I have a mailstation 100, I've managed to put it in test mode an= d I pressed 2 to do a fast test. > Then the LCD screen cleared and the devi= ce never returned to an usable state. > > There is no indication of activi= ty, I have reseted it, disconnected it for several hours, but no luck. > >= There is a way to restore it to a default state? > I know that if I left i= t in test mode and turn it off and on the machine is still in test mode unt= il I press Q > > Rom version is 1.08 (from memory) and is a device customi= zed for Telefonica de Argentina. > > Regards, > Eduardo. > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 97091 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2013 22:48:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.193.84.168) by m2.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2013 22:48:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ng5-ip2.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.165.28) by mta6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2013 22:48:57 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoogroups.com; s=echoe; t=1363474137; bh=k/ysocJb2ABf3TTu39ZAuHYYWlnNan4cKB3++i3R6U4=; h=Received:Received:Date:Message-ID:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-eGroups-Auth:X-eGroups-Application:X-Yahoo-Group-Post:From:To:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dTwISG8zSFYJi8eNmsqPqPcGf97/QbQqAMiGn6wo8129OfZUUfmf+thJl0/XnX/3UuwXu3kUJ17wylzwODHa/1w4Pq0zf7SmkusSdRYQa5REeSRUuuyeFfCUmSi2i2pMaU2wdqt9O2qLSj1SBsH5g4Ydn3T+Tdv3kGri2N5exfU= Received: from [98.139.164.122] by ng5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 22:48:57 -0000 Received: from [10.193.94.110] by tg3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 22:48:56 -0000 Date: 16 Mar 2013 22:48:56 -0000 Message-ID: <1363474136.420.59651.w12@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to mailstation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 574 Lines: 24 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the mailstation group. File : /schematics/mivo250schematic.pdf Uploaded by : cyranojones_lalp Description : You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/files/schematics/mivo250schematic.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html Regards, cyranojones_lalp From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 1192 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2013 23:01:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (10.193.84.168) by m8.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Mar 2013 23:01:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO ng6-ip1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com) (98.138.215.153) by mta6.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 2013 23:01:37 -0000 X-Received: from [98.138.217.178] by ng6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 23:01:36 -0000 X-Received: from [10.193.94.109] by tg3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Mar 2013 23:01:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 23:01:34 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0:0 From: "CyranoJ" Subject: Re: mailstation 100 problem X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=9rhZthCQD9n9vKhcxPWdBChv-5cFAFdoz0zOOp9UVhIe7XmaOj8ra5W9KA X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1223 Lines: 40 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, fuentesea@... wrote: > > I could make i= t boot. > I've put a bridge between 6V rail and the positive leg of C306. >= I know that I'm a little out of spec for 5V components (I'm getting 5.6V c= urrently). I'll use a 7805 tomorrow until I find a solution for this proble= m. > I think may be the 74HC74 may be faulty, because the key test pass OK = for the on/off button but it does not starts when I press it without the br= idge. With the bridge on when I press the button the device behaves as if i= t were turned off, keyboard don't respond any more but the screen is still = on due the bridge. > Do you think that 74HC74 may be burned out or there ar= e other things that may be bad in the on/off circuit? > Does anybody has th= e schematics? You said you had two units, both behaving strange. Are you u= sing the same power supply for both? I would check that it is not faulty p= ower supply before replacing any chips on mailstation board. Or maybe the = line voltage is too low (brownout)? Perhaps the easiest way to to check wo= uld be to put the AA batteries in it, and see if that fixes it. Even if th= e regulator reads 6v with a meter, it might not be clean. 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The u= nit that is still working now passes all tests including DTMF and Modem. Th= e one that does not boot is still in the same situation, with the bridge on= it passes all tests too. May be the old power supply burned the power on/o= ff circuit. I'll try with AA batteries, but I would not bet on that works. = =C2=A0 I've found the schematics for a 250, I think it;s is very simmilar t= o 100. Looking at it seems U303(74HC74) or Q304 (2SJ244)=C2=A0 can be the c= ulprit. I'll try to activate/deactivate the unit bridging G leg of Q304 to = check if it works. I'll measure the voltage at G leg pressing On/off switch= to see if the flipflop is working ok. =C2=A0 Regards, Eduardo. PS: Thank y= ou to be so kind to respond my questions. =C2=A0 ________________________= ________ De: CyranoJ Para: mailstation@yahoogr= oups.com Enviado: s=C3=A1bado, 16 de marzo de 2013 20:01 Asunto: [mailstat= ion] Re: mailstation 100 problem =C2=A0 --- In mailto:mailstation%40yahoo= groups.com, fuentesea@... wrote: > > I could make it boot. > I've put a bri= dge between 6V rail and the positive leg of C306. > I know that I'm a littl= e out of spec for 5V components (I'm getting 5.6V currently). I'll use a 78= 05 tomorrow until I find a solution for this problem. > I think may be the = 74HC74 may be faulty, because the key test pass OK for the on/off button bu= t it does not starts when I press it without the bridge. With the bridge on= when I press the button the device behaves as if it were turned off, keybo= ard don't respond any more but the screen is still on due the bridge. > Do = you think that 74HC74 may be burned out or there are other things that may = be bad in the on/off circuit? > Does anybody has the schematics? You said = you had two units, both behaving strange. Are you using the same power supp= ly for both? I would check that it is not faulty power supply before repla= cing any chips on mailstation board. Or maybe the line voltage is too low (= brownout)? Perhaps the easiest way to to check would be to put the AA batt= eries in it, and see if that fixes it. Even if the regulator reads 6v with= a meter, it might not be clean. CJ ---2016055526-919423797-1363477486=:80877 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
          Hi CJ,
          I've replaced the power supply for a new = one (CIDCO original). The unit that is still working now passes all tests i= ncluding DTMF and Modem.
          The one that does not boot is still in the same situation= , with the bridge on it passes all tests too. May be the old power supply b= urned the power on/off circuit.
          I'll try with AA batteries, but I would not bet on= that works.
           
          I've found the schematics for a 250, I think it;s is very simmilar to= 100. Looking at it seems U303(74HC74) or Q304 (2SJ244)  can be the cu= lprit.
          I'll try = to activate/deactivate the unit bridging G leg of Q304 to check if it works= . I'll measure the voltage at G leg pressing On/off switch to see if the fl= ipflop is working ok.
           
          Regards,
          Eduardo.
          PS: Thank you to be so kind to res= pond my questions.
          <= /VAR>
           
          <= DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZ= E: 12pt">
          De: CyranoJ
          Para: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Enviado: s=C3=A1bado, 16 = de marzo de 2013 20:01
          Asunto: [mailstation] Re: mailstation 100 problem
           
          --- In mailto:mails= tation%40yahoogroups.com, fuentesea@... wrote:
          >
          > I could = make it boot.
          > I've put a bridge between 6V rail and the positive le= g of C306.
          > I know that I'm a little out of spec for 5V components (= I'm getting 5.6V currently). I'll use a 7805 tomorrow until I find a soluti= on for this problem.
          > I think may be the 74HC74 may be faulty, becau= se the key test pass OK for the on/off button but it does not starts when I= press it without the bridge. With the bridge on when I press the button th= e device behaves as if it were turned off, keyboard don't respond any more = but the screen is still on due the bridge.
          > Do you think that 74HC74= may be burned out or there are other things that may be bad in the on/off = circuit?
          > Does anybody has the schematics?

          You said you had = two units, both behaving strange.
          Are you using the same power supply fo= r both?

          I would check that it is not faulty power supply before repl= acing
          any chips on mailstation board. Or maybe the line voltage is too l= ow (brownout)?

          Perhaps the easiest way to to check would be to put t= he AA batteries
          in it, and see if that fixes it. Even if the regulator r= eads 6v
          with a meter, it might not be clean.

          CJ

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[mailstation] wrote: > I never even thought about asking Jesus for technical details on the Mailstation. Could have saved us a lot of work! What Would Jesus Read? 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=323600762; y=UB3YQtpADBjZox9Xp10xJU7zuMuppiXc1Cix9wDSs-XEkuY8dA X-Yahoo-Profile: jondkirwan From: Jon Kirwan Status: RO Content-Length: 1111 Lines: 42 On 21 Oct 2015 13:43:32 -0700, you wrote: > My Older friend loved his mail= station and wants to use it, > but I am coming up with nodda for getting hi= m hooked back > up. >Gracious Thanks >John V. Yes, it is still slightly al= ive. There is one here. hehe. I designed and programmed a device that hook= s up the USB port of a PC to the parallel printer port of the Mailstation. = You "print" your document to the PC, which captures it and makes it availab= le as a .TXT file there. (Don't know if that helps -- it does NOT go the ot= her way, for example.) But they are indeed handy. Cheap, battery powered, = unlikely to be stolen or broken, and they work just fine for writing text d= ocuments. The central problem I found is that they don't tie into a server = with access to modem technology. I suppose I could write server code that w= ould operate correctly with their email capabilities, but then the problem = becomes one of finding any modem-based internet service. It costs a lot of = money to support a dial-up connection these days. Even if the software coul= d be written to handle it. 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=221047160; y=kTQzjTWf-dqUuzDeuIU1eZJUc4cqjV_N_ihjYhqwVGw X-Yahoo-Profile: jbv41 X-Original-From: John Vanlandingham Reply-To: John Vanlandingham X-Original-Return-Path: John Vanlandingham To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: cyranojones_lalp via web; 22 Oct 2015 00:19:40 -0000 From: John Vanlandingham Status: RO Content-Length: 4442 Lines: 174 ---1621810148-798678700-1445477955=:58244 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Thanks, there A PC free home, they think turning on there TV is cutting edg= e knowledge, so I'm going to call it a dead horse. Sent from Yahoo Mail o= n Android From:"Jon Kirwan jonk@... [mailstation]" Date:Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 5:21 PM Subject:Re: [mail= station] Is it safe to assume mailstation is defunct now? =C2=A0 On 21 = Oct 2015 13:43:32 -0700, you wrote: > My Older friend loved his mailstati= on and wants to use it, > but I am coming up with nodda for getting him hoo= ked back > up. >Gracious Thanks >John V. Yes, it is still slightly alive.= There is one here. hehe. I designed and programmed a device that hooks u= p the USB port of a PC to the parallel printer port of the Mailstation. You= "print" your document to the PC, which captures it and makes it available = as a .TXT file there. (Don't know if that helps -- it does NOT go the other= way, for example.) But they are indeed handy. Cheap, battery powered, un= likely to be stolen or broken, and they work just fine for writing text doc= uments. The central problem I found is that they don't tie into a server wi= th access to modem technology. I suppose I could write server code that wou= ld operate correctly with their email capabilities, but then the problem be= comes one of finding any modem-based internet service. It costs a lot of mo= ney to support a dial-up connection these days. Even if the software could = be written to handle it. Jon ---1621810148-798678700-1445477955=:58244 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8"
          Thanks, there A PC free home, they think turning on there TV is cutting= edge knowledge, so I'm going to call it a dead horse.

          Sent from Yahoo Ma= il on Android

          From:"Jon Kirwan jonk@...= [mailstation]"
          Date:Wed, Oct= 21, 2015 at 5:21 PM
          Subject:Re: [mailstation] Is it safe to assu= me mailstation is defunct now?

          =  

          On 21 Oct 2015 13:43= :32 -0700, you wrote:

          > My Older = friend loved his mailstation and wants to use it,
          > b= ut I am coming up with nodda for getting him hooked back
          = > up.
          >Gracious Thanks
          >Joh= n V.

          Yes, it is still slightly alive= . There is one here. hehe.

          I design= ed and programmed a device that hooks up the USB port
          of= a PC to the parallel printer port of the Mailstation. You
          "print" your document to the PC, which captures it and makes
          it available as a .TXT file there. (Don't know if that helps
          -- it does NOT go the other way, for example.)

          But they are indeed handy. Cheap, battery powered, = unlikely
          to be stolen or broken, and they work just fine= for writing
          text documents. The central problem I found= is that they
          don't tie into a server with access to mod= em technology. I
          suppose I could write server code that = would operate
          correctly with their email capabilities, b= ut then the problem
          becomes one of finding any modem-bas= ed internet service. It
          costs a lot of money to support = a dial-up connection these
          days. Even if the software co= uld be written to handle it.

          Jon
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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=163020931; y=QiJ3HU4Q7eR1DOymZY2CsuJwe_E6XGK9u7NaG6VUn95fBcpNdNTu X-Yahoo-Profile: searcher51us X-Original-From: duane canaday Reply-To: duane canaday X-Original-Return-Path: duane canaday To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: cyranojones_lalp via web; 22 Oct 2015 12:33:58 -0000 From: duane canaday Status: RO Content-Length: 13257 Lines: 453 ------=_Part_1366419_1631153967.1445532796824 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" About 10 years ago when I was still on dial up I converted my mailstation t= o connect with my dial up internet provider and connect to yahoo email. I o= nly used it as a backup when my power was out as it really was quite inferi= or to a real computer. These days I recommend that people pick up a used co= mputer and install Linux on it.It really is quite superior to anything that= Microsoft offers and now that they are really spying on users outrageously= on the new systems it makes a lot of sense. People mostly have trouble ins= talling Linux the first time. I don't think using it such a big jump, altho= ugh some people might have to keep MS for a short time until the find out w= hich apps will fill their needs. Duane Canaday =C2=A0May Jesus Christ Be Pr= aised! From: "John Vanlandingham jbv41@... [mailstation]" To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday,= October 21, 2015 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [mailstation] Is it safe to assume = mailstation is defunct now? #yiv4586134346 #yiv4586134346 -- #yiv458613434= 6 .yiv4586134346ygrp-photo-title{clear:both;font-size:smaller;height:15px;o= verflow:hidden;text-align:center;width:75px;}#yiv4586134346 div.yiv45861343= 46ygrp-photo{background-position:center;background-repeat:no-repeat;backgro= und-color:white;border:1px solid black;height:62px;width:62px;}#yiv45861343= 46 div.yiv4586134346photo-title a, #yiv4586134346 div.yiv4586134346photo-ti= tle a:active, #yiv4586134346 div.yiv4586134346photo-title a:hover, #yiv4586= 134346 div.yiv4586134346photo-title a:visited {text-decoration:none;}#yiv45= 86134346 div.yiv4586134346attach-table div.yiv4586134346attach-row {clear:b= oth;}#yiv4586134346 div.yiv4586134346attach-table div.yiv4586134346attach-r= ow div {float:left;}#yiv4586134346 p {clear:both;padding:15px 0 3px 0;overf= low:hidden;}#yiv4586134346 div.yiv4586134346ygrp-file {width:30px;}#yiv4586= 134346 div.yiv4586134346attach-table div.yiv4586134346attach-row div div a = {text-decoration:none;}#yiv4586134346 div.yiv4586134346attach-table div.yiv= 4586134346attach-row div div span {font-weight:normal;}#yiv4586134346 div.y= iv4586134346ygrp-file-title {font-weight:bold;}#yiv4586134346 #yiv458613434= 6 #yiv4586134346 #yiv4586134346 --#yiv4586134346ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid = #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv4586134346 #yiv= 4586134346ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv4586134346 #yiv4586134= 346ygrp-mkp #yiv4586134346hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;l= ine-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv4586134346 #yiv4586134346ygrp-mkp #yiv45= 86134346ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv4586134346 #yiv4586134346ygrp-mkp .yiv= 4586134346ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv4586134346 #yiv4586134346ygrp-mkp .yiv458613= 4346ad p {margin:0;}#yiv4586134346 #yiv4586134346ygrp-mkp .yiv4586134346ad = a {color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv4586134346 | Thanks, there A= PC free home, they think turning on there TV is cutting edge knowledge, so= I'm going to call it a dead horse. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android | Fr= om:"Jon Kirwan jonk@... [mailstation]" Date:Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 5:21 PM Subject:Re: [mailstation] Is it= safe to assume mailstation is defunct now? =C2=A0 On 21 Oct 2015 = 13:43:32 -0700, you wrote: > My Older friend loved his mailstation and wa= nts to use it, > but I am coming up with nodda for getting him hooked back = > up. >Gracious Thanks >John V. Yes, it is still slightly alive. There i= s one here. hehe. I designed and programmed a device that hooks up the US= B port of a PC to the parallel printer port of the Mailstation. You "print"= your document to the PC, which captures it and makes it available as a .TX= T file there. (Don't know if that helps -- it does NOT go the other way, fo= r example.) But they are indeed handy. Cheap, battery powered, unlikely t= o be stolen or broken, and they work just fine for writing text documents. = The central problem I found is that they don't tie into a server with acces= s to modem technology. I suppose I could write server code that would opera= te correctly with their email capabilities, but then the problem becomes on= e of finding any modem-based internet service. It costs a lot of money to s= upport a dial-up connection these days. Even if the software could be writt= en to handle it. Jon | | ------=_Part_1366419_1631153967.1445532796824 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8"
          About 10 years ago when I was still on dial up I= converted my mailstation to connect with my dial up internet provider and = connect to yahoo email.
          I only used it as a backup when my power was out as it really was quite = inferior to a real computer.

          These days I recom= mend that people pick up a used computer and install Linux on it.
          It really is quite supe= rior to anything that Microsoft offers and now that they are really spying = on users outrageously on the new systems it makes a lot of sense.
          People mostly have= trouble installing Linux the first time. I don't think using it such a big= jump, although some people might have to keep MS for a short time until th= e find out which apps will fill their needs.

          Duane Canaday

           
          May Jesus Christ Be Praised!

          From: "John Vanland= ingham jbv41@... [mailstation]" To: mailstation@yahoogr= oups.com
          Sent: Wednes= day, October 21, 2015 6:39 PM
          Sub= ject: Re: [mailstation] Is it safe to assume mailstation is defu= nct now?



          Thanks, there = A PC free home, they think turning on there TV is cutting edge knowledge, s= o I'm going to call it a dead horse.

          <= div>Sent from Yahoo Mail on Andro= id
          From:"Jon Kirwan jonk@inf= initefactors.org [mailstation]"
          Date:Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 5:21 PM
          Su= bject:Re: [mailstation] Is it safe to assume mailstation is defunct now= ?




           
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          On 21 Oct 2015 13:43:32 -0700, you wrote:

          > My Older friend loved his mailstation and= wants to use it,
          > but I am coming up with nodda for= getting him hooked back
          > up.
          >= ;Gracious Thanks
          >John V.

          Yes, it is still slightly alive. There is one here. hehe.

          I designed and programmed a device that= hooks up the USB port
          of a PC to the parallel printer p= ort of the Mailstation. You
          "print" your document to the= PC, which captures it and makes
          it available as a .TXT = file there. (Don't know if that helps
          -- it does NOT go = the other way, for example.)

          But the= y are indeed handy. Cheap, battery powered, unlikely
          to = be stolen or broken, and they work just fine for writing
          = text documents. The central problem I found is that they
          don't tie into a server with access to modem technology. I
          suppose I could write server code that would operate
          correctly with their email capabilities, but then the problem
          becomes one of finding any modem-based internet service. It
          costs a lot of money to support a dial-up connection these
          days. Even if the software could be written to handle it.
          Jon

          =
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          IIRC, they offer free dialup access which would be fine for a Mails= tation IF you could configure it to the local number/login/password.=

          I think you're limited to 30 minutes/day but that would b= e fine too.

          Neil
          -----

          On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 5:21 PM, Jon Kirwan jonk@... [mailstation] = <mailstation@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
          =C2=A0

          I suppose I could write server = code that would operate
          correctly with their email capabilities, but th= en the problem
          becomes one of finding any modem-based internet service.= It
          costs a lot of money to support a dial-up connection these
          days= . Even if the software could be written to handle it.

          Jon

          =
          =

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But it probably does.= (I'm just ignorant about the details used by the Mailstation itself for ma= il transfers: POP3?) Jon >Neil >----- > >On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 5:21 PM,= Jon Kirwan jonk@... >[mailstation] wrote: > >> >> >> I suppose I could write server code that would ope= rate >> correctly with their email capabilities, but then the problem >> be= comes one of finding any modem-based internet service. It >> costs a lot of= money to support a dial-up connection these >> days. 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Subject: mailstation ham radio use X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326546967; y=58bclqYJwxgEpW_euFsMlp3D9crI2I6aEScEodHwoJKC X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4yoy X-Original-From: Ron Lawrence W4RON Reply-To: Ron Lawrence W4RON X-Original-Return-Path: Ron Lawrence W4RON To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: cyranojones_lalp via web; 08 Nov 2016 00:03:26 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" From: Ron Lawrence W4RON Status: RO Content-Length: 624 Lines: 39 I picked up a nearly mint mailstation a few weeks ago at a hamfest. It came= in it's original carrying case with all it's books, cables, looks brand ne= w. Is there any ham radio uses for it? I figure someone has come up with so= me interesting hacks for it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Knee-deep in the cosm= ic overwhelm, I=E2=80=99m stricken by the ricochet wonder of it all: the pl= ain everythingness of everything, in cahoots with the everythingness of e= verything else. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 73, Ron W4RON http://radioheaven.h= omestead.com/menu.html http://antiqueradiocharlotte.homestead.com/2016.ht= ml From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8983 invoked by uid 102); 20 Jan 2017 03:12:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.143) by m4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2017 03:12:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 11731 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2017 03:12:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta1003.groups.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (98.139.170.167) by mtaq4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2017 03:12:51 -0000 X-Original-Return-Path: Received-SPF: pass (domain of yahoogroups.com designates 66.196.81.225 as permitted sender) X-Rocket-Track: cat=UK; 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Neil ----- On Sat, Jan 7, = 2017 at 1:04 PM, charamutmail@... [mailstation] < mailstation@yahoogr= oups.com> wrote: > > > is there a way to fix it??? > > --001a11459052c2310d0546818204 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
          What did you do to it and what was the result?

          Neil
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          On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 1= :04 PM, charamutmail@... [mailstation] <mailstation@yahoogroups.com> wrot= e:
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[mailstation]" Message-ID: <2B32A8FFE10299F6.d3ac200c-6599-4652-802b-1c5127dd997e@...> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_757_2136998573.1493465131413" X-Mailer: Outlook for iOS and Android X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfCxZxTlTf290AKYzWlJGt8lYAdPTFseM22QbcQEPj+flucxT1u2yHQSKVDamplag+jhvN4x0TamQQraKaYm5O5DazpgxkG9vJUxH+rrVN7zAaJiUtJYT 4hneMpanWl97d9K9YjqzbnbHPZ1f6IeiRonaSU28CWfGIw2H5jSQmOtgHJ8+7/KygD/0kOzaoQUMA5W7aQYGJI4GWtJdAdFGCws= Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: I think i bricked my mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=165974773; y=VRXpUdrq5ketqW-dQrec4cI6dJSdbePmbDc_TxV5LYLSUyJz X-Yahoo-Profile: thartsell From: GoDaddy Status: RO Content-Length: 4755 Lines: 215 ------=_Part_757_2136998573.1493465131413 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Years ago now. It involved paper clip and cycling power until it came up = in setup mode. That's all I remember.=C2=A0 Turn around three times on one = foot etc. Even if you get there it's still looking for=C2=A0 Earthlink and= they refuse to support a new account. Also hardwired to port 25 which has = been abandoned by all providers due to hackers.=C2=A0 The only way i would = know is to extract and reprigram the eprom. Best of luck Get Outlook fo= r Android On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 9:36 PM -0400, "cyranojones_lalp= @... [mailstation]" wrote: = =C2=A0 You did not mention= what model you have. =C2=A0Also, I am not going to read that painfully lon= g website,=C2=A0Why don't you tell us what steps you took? ---In mailstat= ion@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I followed this:= =C2=A0https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/281/www-howtohackamailstation-com= =C2=A0guide but i used batteries instead of the wall adaptor and now it won= t boot. 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          Years ago now. It involved paper cl= ip and cycling power until it came up in setup mode. That's all I remember.=   Turn around three times on one foot etc.
          Even if you get there i= t's still looking for  Earthlink and they refuse to support a new acco= unt. Also hardwired to port 25 which has been abandoned by all providers du= e to hackers.  The only way i would know is to extract and reprigram t= he eprom. Best of luck

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          On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 9:36 PM -0400, "cyran= ojones_lalp@... [mailstation]" <mailstation@...= m> wrote:

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          You did n= ot mention what model you have.  

          Also, I am not going to read= that painfully long website, 
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          guide but i used batteries instead o= f the wall adaptor and now it wont boot. Is there any way to fix it?
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X-EN-OrigIP: 64.237.52.135 X-EN-OrigHost: unknown Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: I think i bricked my mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=280889770; y=VJSlxQ7O_0aAVNxONjd6Xgx4YzLKoVCeb0811xh9iYzrbTbDAGU X-Yahoo-Profile: bradfayette From: Brad Fayette Status: RO Content-Length: 8152 Lines: 185 --------------285E26CC48348FB17B3B838E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ah, the plans we had for the Mailstation. Weren't we going to make a cool, portable, battery operated CP/M box? IIRC we couldn't get ram mapped into the required address range. I do remember getting Cyrano's debugger running on my hardware. I looked on ebay and it appears that Mailstations go for about $ zero these days. I am retiring on Monday and going on a massive downsizing jag. Looks like the Mailstations are going in the recycling pile and not in the ebay store. Oh well. Regards, Brad Fayette "Blessed are the geeks, for they shall inherit the earth." On 4/29/2017 7:25 AM, GoDaddy tom.hartsell@... [mailstation] wrote: > > Years ago now. It involved paper clip and cycling power until it came > up in setup mode. That's all I remember. Turn around three times on > one foot etc. > Even if you get there it's still looking for Earthlink and they > refuse to support a new account. Also hardwired to port 25 which has > been abandoned by all providers due to hackers. The only way i would > know is to extract and reprigram the eprom. Best of luck > > Get Outlook for Android > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 9:36 PM -0400, "cyranojones_lalp@... > [mailstation]" > wrote: > > You did not mention what model you have. > > Also, I am not going to read that painfully long website, > Why don't you tell us what steps you took? > > > ---In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, > wrote : > > I followed this: > https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/281/www-howtohackamailstation-com > guide but i used batteries instead of the wall adaptor and now it > wont boot. Is there any way to fix it? > (Above was in an approval message that expired before I saw it.) > > --------------285E26CC48348FB17B3B838E Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

          Ah, the plans we had for the Mailstation.  Weren't we going to make a cool, portable, battery operated  CP/M box? IIRC we couldn't get ram mapped into the required address range.  I do remember getting Cyrano's debugger running on my hardware.  I looked on ebay and it appears that Mailstations go for about $ zero these days.  I am retiring on Monday and going on a massive downsizing jag. Looks like the Mailstations are going in the recycling pile and not in the ebay store.  Oh well.

          Regards,

Brad Fayette
"Blessed are the geeks, for they shall inherit the earth."

 
          On 4/29/2017 7:25 AM, GoDaddy tom.hartsell@... [mailstation] wrote:
           

          Years ago now. It involved paper clip and cycling power until it came up in setup mode. That's all I remember.  Turn around three times on one foot etc.
          Even if you get there it's still looking for  Earthlink and they refuse to support a new account. Also hardwired to port 25 which has been abandoned by all providers due to hackers.  The only way i would know is to extract and reprigram the eprom. Best of luck

          Get Outlook for Android





          On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 9:36 PM -0400, "cyranojones_lalp@... [mailstation]" <mailstation@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

           

          You did not mention what model you have.  

          Also, I am not going to read that painfully long website, 
          Why don't you tell us what steps you took?


          ---In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

          guide but i used batteries instead of the wall adaptor and now it wont boot. Is there any way to fix it?
          (Above was in an approval message that expired before I saw it.)


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Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: I think i bricked my mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=326546967; y=IA9rIKmriran0ayx8KgGQCfVU9dAKq5drPBvQ-7gqL70 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc4yoy X-Original-From: Ron Lawrence W4RON Reply-To: Ron Lawrence W4RON X-Original-Return-Path: Ron Lawrence W4RON To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: groups-system X-eGroups-Approved-By: cyranojones_lalp via web; 01 May 2017 04:03:30 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" From: Ron Lawrence W4RON Status: RO Content-Length: 459 Lines: 35 what are you guys doing with your Mailstations? I have figured out anything= to use mine for. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Knee-deep in the cosmic overwhel= m, I=E2=80=99m stricken by the ricochet wonder of it all: the plain every= thingness of everything, in cahoots with the everythingness of everything e= lse. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 73, Ron W4RON http://radioheaven.homestead.co= m/menu.html http://antiqueradiocharlotte.homestead.com/2016.html From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... 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I wish I could figure out how to trick the MailStation into = using it. But when your Android phone can access the WWW, it's a different = world. Neil ----- On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 8:05 PM, Ron Lawrence W4RON W4R= ON@... [mailstation] wrote: > > = > what are you guys doing with your Mailstations? > I have figured out anyt= hing to use mine for. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Knee-deep in the cosmic ov= erwhelm, I=E2=80=99m stricken > by the ricochet wonder of it all: the plain= > > everythingness of everything, in cahoots > with the everythingness of = everything else. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > 73, Ron W4RON > > http://radioh= eaven.homestead.com/menu.html > > http://antiqueradiocharlotte.homestead.co= m/2016.html > > > --94eb2c059dfebd6d9c054e6fe414 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
          In my local calling area there is still a (free) dial up e= mail server system I could use. I wish I could figure out how to trick the = MailStation into using it. But when your Android phone can access the WWW, = it's a different world.

          Neil
          -----

          On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 8:05 PM, Ron Lawrence W4RON W4RON@... [mailstation] = <mailstation@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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          what are yo= u guys doing with your Mailstations?
          I have figured out anything to use= mine for.

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          with the everythingnes= s of everything else.
          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          73, Ron W4RON
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The LCD inside is still very useful. Sent = from my iPad > On May 1, 2017, at 3:51 AM, Tom Hartsell tom.hartsell@intl= matrix.com [mailstation] wrote: > > After gra= ndma died, we threw it away. > > Get Outlook for Android > > > > > > On Mon= , May 1, 2017 at 12:06 AM -0400, "Ron Lawrence W4RON W4RON@... = [mailstation]" wrote: > >> >> what are you gu= ys doing with your Mailstations? >> I have figured out anything to use mine= for. >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Knee-deep in the cosmic overwhelm, I=E2= =80=99m stricken >> by the ricochet wonder of it all: the plain >> >> every= thingness of everything, in cahoots >> with the everythingness of everythin= g else. >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> 73, Ron W4RON >> >> http://radioheave= n.homestead.com/menu.html >> >> http://antiqueradiocharlotte.homestead.com/= 2016.html >> > > --Apple-Mail-B6CB6C14-5BCF-411B-9FFE-B5648C183D75 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8"
          Don't throw your mailstation away = - sell it on Ebay or Craigslist or donate it to your local thrift shop. The= LCD inside is still very useful.

          Sent from my iPad

          On= May 1, 2017, at 3:51 AM, Tom Hartsell tom.hartsell@... [mailstation] <mailstation@yahoogroups.com> wrote:=

           
          =

          After grandma died, we threw it away.

          <= /p>

          Get Outlook for Android




          On Mon, May 1, 2017= at 12:06 AM -0400, "Ron Lawrence W4RON W4RON@... [mailstation]" <mailstation@yaho= ogroups.com> wrote:

           

          what are you guys doing with your Mailstations?<= br> I have figured out anything to use mine for.

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~= ~~~
          Knee-deep in the cosmic overwhelm, I=E2=80=99m stricken
          by the = ricochet wonder of it all: the plain

          everythingness of everything,= in cahoots
          with the everythingness of everything else.
          ~~~~~~~~~~~= ~~~~~~~~~

          73, Ron W4RON

          http://radioheaven.homestead.com/menu.html
          <= br> http:/= /antiqueradiocharlotte.homestead.com/2016.html

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          Don't throw your mailstation away - sell it on Ebay or Craigslist or donate it to your local thrift shop. The LCD inside is still very useful.

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X-EN-OrigIP: 45.37.210.248 X-EN-OrigHost: cpe-45-37-210-248.nc.res.rr.com Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: I think i bricked my mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=280889770; y=rHR5p1IOnSZvJswjakmxGMJFp8CMw3xE-WNNyPtD-zI6tFWvAvw X-Yahoo-Profile: bradfayette From: Brad Fayette Status: RO Content-Length: 6457 Lines: 170 --------------5CFFD3DF266F92FCDF7CA391 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit When I get down to that layer, I will post them here and someone can have them for the price of postage. Regards, Brad Fayette "Blessed are the geeks, for they shall inherit the earth." On 5/1/2017 9:29 AM, Alexander Florov alexflorov@... [mailstation] wrote: > Don't throw your mailstation away - sell it on Ebay or Craigslist or > donate it to your local thrift shop. The LCD inside is still very useful. > > Sent from my iPad > > On May 1, 2017, at 3:51 AM, Tom Hartsell tom.hartsell@... > [mailstation] > > wrote: > >> After grandma died, we threw it away. >> >> Get Outlook for Android >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 12:06 AM -0400, "Ron Lawrence W4RON >> W4RON@... [mailstation]" >> > wrote: >> >> what are you guys doing with your Mailstations? >> I have figured out anything to use mine for. >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> Knee-deep in the cosmic overwhelm, I’m stricken >> by the ricochet wonder of it all: the plain >> >> everythingness of everything, in cahoots >> with the everythingness of everything else. >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> 73, Ron W4RON >> >> http://radioheaven.homestead.com/menu.html >> >> http://antiqueradiocharlotte.homestead.com/2016.html >> > --------------5CFFD3DF266F92FCDF7CA391 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

          When I get down to that layer, I will post them here and someone can have them for the price of postage.

          Regards,

Brad Fayette
"Blessed are the geeks, for they shall inherit the earth."
          On 5/1/2017 9:29 AM, Alexander Florov alexflorov@... [mailstation] wrote:
           
          Don't throw your mailstation away - sell it on Ebay or Craigslist or donate it to your local thrift shop. The LCD inside is still very useful.

          Sent from my iPad

          On May 1, 2017, at 3:51 AM, Tom Hartsell tom.hartsell@... [mailstation] <mailstation@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

           

          After grandma died, we threw it away.

          Get Outlook for Android





          On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 12:06 AM -0400, "Ron Lawrence W4RON W4RON@... [mailstation]" <mailstation@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

           

          what are you guys doing with your Mailstations?
          I have figured out anything to use mine for.

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Knee-deep in the cosmic overwhelm, I’m stricken
          by the ricochet wonder of it all: the plain

          everythingness of everything, in cahoots
          with the everythingness of everything else.
          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          73, Ron W4RON

          http://radioheaven.homestead.com/menu.html

          http://antiqueradiocharlotte.homestead.com/2016.html


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          Does anyone still want one? I am sitting on at least one, possibly more if I start cleaning.

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          I have set up several Mailstations for some of my Senior relative= s, and although they were leery to use it, they
          <= FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>now don't know how they would survive without it.  The world has gon= e from written letters to electronic ones, and
          = the electronic ones are there is minutes.
           
          The Mailstation just needs to be updated, an= d allowed to be used on ANY email server unit. This would allow
          the user to then search and find the best service for the= m and connect the unit to it.
          &n= bsp;
          The new unit should be patterned after the Model 350, wh= ich allows the downloading of pictures and larger
          emails.  Since memory has come a long way since the Mailstation's= inception, it is now efficient to include