From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 X-Info: X-Info: This is an mbox archive of the public Mailstation Yahoo! Group X-Info: taken on December 29, 2018. X-Info: Unfortunately all of the files uploaded to the group are no X-Info: longer accessible. X-Info: Return-Path: X-Sender: donhamilton2002@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3409 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2004 20:27:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Feb 2004 20:27:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2004 20:27:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.120] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Feb 2004 20:26:14 -0000 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 20:26:13 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Announce: yes X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "donhamilton2002" Subject: Welcome to hacking the mailstation. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175336879 X-Yahoo-Profile: donhamilton2002 Status: RO Content-Length: 498 Lines: 20 Welcome all who wish to find information about the mailstation. This groups has been set up as a central location for technical information. The file and photo areas were missing with other locations. I know its been years in the coming, but Ill start off with the old files I created of the ROM dump. I will also include pdf files of the components I have found. If anyone has any technical information t share, please post here and Ill add it to the files/photos lists. thanks hamilton From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimmarek@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10961 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 06:54:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 06:54:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 06:54:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.123] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 06:54:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 06:54:04 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.85 From: "jmareksr" Subject: Re: Welcome to hacking the mailstation. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175648140 X-Yahoo-Profile: jmareksr Status: RO Content-Length: 426 Lines: 14 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "donhamilton2002" wrote: > Welcome all who wish to find information about the mailstation. > Thanks for setting up the group and uploading the files. I am looking forward to figuring out how the mailstation works and then extending it to do some other interesting things. I have several questions, but I'll use them to start some new threads. Thanks again, Jim From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimmarek@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 2879 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 07:17:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 07:17:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.82) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 07:17:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.175] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 07:17:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 07:17:07 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.82 From: "jmareksr" Subject: What are the ethical risks of hacking the mailstation? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175648140 X-Yahoo-Profile: jmareksr Status: RO Content-Length: 882 Lines: 20 I can think of two ethical issues related to hacking the ms, one that I can ignore, and one that I can't. 1) I'm sure there was something in the license agreement about not reverse engineering the ms, but I look on this as a fascinating puzzle. There may be so much code that I will tire of trying to understand it before I ever do, but for now, it is a diversion. I don't have a problem with hacking an obsolete device as a personal challenge. Should I feel more unethical about this? 2) I'm also sure that there are some ms users who know nothing about computers and are just thrilled to get an email from a dear friend. I have a big problem with contributing to their frustration and disillusionment when someone figures out how to craft an email that will change the ms settings or disable it. Is it possible to collaborate on a hack and still protect the innocent? Jim From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimmarek@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89576 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2004 23:42:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Feb 2004 23:42:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.79) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2004 23:42:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.152] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Feb 2004 23:40:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 23:40:38 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.79 From: "jmareksr" Subject: Selecting a disassembler X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175648140 X-Yahoo-Profile: jmareksr Status: RO Content-Length: 531 Lines: 15 Do you have a suggestion for a disassembler for the Z-80? I have used a disassembler on some Motorola 6803 ROMs that accepted a symbol file, which defined symbols and associated them with addresses. The disaasembler used the symbols as it created the source. This was very useful. Even nicer would be the ability to add documentation to the symbol file and have it appear in the generated listing at the corresponding locations in the code. I will do some research on this topic, but I'd love hear your experiences. Jim From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: donhamilton2002@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49974 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 05:12:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 05:12:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 05:12:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.134] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 05:12:31 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 05:12:30 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.104 From: "donhamilton2002" Subject: Re: Selecting a disassembler X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175336879 X-Yahoo-Profile: donhamilton2002 Status: RO Content-Length: 182 Lines: 12 http://www.programmersheaven.com/zone5/cat49/15542.htm http://www.znode51.de/specials/dz80131.htm http://www.datarescue.com/ http://www.zilog.com/software/zds2.asp Have fun ! From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimmarek@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25845 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2004 23:56:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Feb 2004 23:56:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.84) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2004 23:56:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.138] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2004 23:56:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:56:17 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.84 From: "jmareksr" Subject: Re: Selecting a disassembler X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175648140 X-Yahoo-Profile: jmareksr Status: RO Content-Length: 712 Lines: 18 Thanks for the list. Ida seems interesting. The disassembler that I have used in the past is called DASMx. It is downloadable for free on the Web. I particularly like 2 of its features - code threading and symbol files. Code threading automatically follows jump and branch instructions to find additional streams of code to disassemble. The symbol files allow the user to identify code, data, character strings, and pointers. The disassembler uses the symbols specified in the file whenever the location is referenced in the code. As you learn more about the structure of the software, and update the symbol file with the new information, successive disassemblies become more and more useful. Jim From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: searsz80@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25058 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2004 01:12:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2004 01:12:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2004 01:12:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.154] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2004 01:12:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 01:12:09 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "searsz80" Subject: Re: Welcome to hacking the mailstation. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175379185 X-Yahoo-Profile: searsz80 Status: RO Content-Length: 1518 Lines: 37 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "jmareksr" wrote: > --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "donhamilton2002" > wrote: > > Welcome all who wish to find information about the mailstation. > > > Thanks for setting up the group and uploading the files. Yes, thanks for setting this up! I have been tinkering with my mailstation for about a year now. It probably would have just got stuck away in a box, if not for the motivation provided by hamilton's soldering iron, and rogblake's disassembler. (I'm not sure if this is thanks, or blame!!!) I had studied rogblake's work, and thought I had it figgered out. But after much frustration trying to get the thing into reflash mode, I broke out MY soldering iron and hacked in a rom socket. (If I post pictures, you will understand why it's called hacking!) I figured if I couldn't get in the back door, I would just build a new front door. With a door-man that worked for *me*! So, I made a few test progs, and determined the address and polarity of the printer data port bits. Then I modified a remote debug rom I had made over 10 years ago, to work with that port. Now I could put the beast through it's paces, under the control of my trusty CP/M system (did I mention it was written over 10 years ago?) Anyways, my goal is to use the ms for something more interesting than email. One idea was to add a barcode reader, and create a sort of inventory device. I also like the idea of porting CP/M to it. -- Randy From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jimmarek@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9887 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2004 00:32:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2004 00:32:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.102) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2004 00:32:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.151] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2004 00:32:39 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:32:38 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.102 From: "jmareksr" Subject: Re: Welcome to hacking the mailstation. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175648140 X-Yahoo-Profile: jmareksr Status: RO Content-Length: 430 Lines: 14 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "searsz80" wrote: > So, I made a few test progs, and determined the address and polarity > of the printer data port bits. Would you post what you learned about the printer port, and what you learned about re-flashing the memories? Also, do you still have a copy of RogBlake's disassembly? I lost mine, but I recall that it had some tags on the functions in page 00. Jim From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: searsz80@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17967 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2004 12:01:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2004 12:01:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2004 12:01:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2004 12:01:57 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 12:01:57 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "searsz80" Subject: Re: Welcome to hacking the mailstation. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175379185 X-Yahoo-Profile: searsz80 Status: RO Content-Length: 1422 Lines: 45 Hi, Sorry to take so long responding. What I know about the printer port, (and most of the other ports) is in the thread "ms/z80 hacking" at http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=mswhatever&Post=77 There is also info on the banking of the memory, and a pinout for the cpu. Did anybody see this??? As far as the disassembly, I'm not sure how earthlink would feel about it being posted here. Some info on addresses in reflash code is on the other board in the thread "just deals mailstations", as well as rogblakes email address, if he is still using it. I am wondering if it would be better to use that board for discussion, and this one for files/etc??? And as for reflashing, that involves ethical considerations that I am unsure of at this point. I would really like to add functionality, not cut earthlink out of the picture. -- Randy --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "jmareksr" wrote: > --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "searsz80" wrote: > > > So, I made a few test progs, and determined the address and polarity > > of the printer data port bits. > > Would you post what you learned about the printer port, and what you > learned about re-flashing the memories? > > Also, do you still have a copy of RogBlake's disassembly? I lost > mine, but I recall that it had some tags on the functions in page 00. > > Jim From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: searsz80@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16574 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2004 12:50:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2004 12:50:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2004 12:50:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2004 12:50:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 12:50:52 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "searsz80" Subject: Re: Welcome to hacking the mailstation. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175379185 X-Yahoo-Profile: searsz80 Status: RO Content-Length: 380 Lines: 14 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "donhamilton2002" wrote: > If anyone has any technical information t share, please post here and > Ill add it to the files/photos lists. I posted a couple scans of my hardware in the photo section. You can rearrange or delete as you see fit. Would it be better to post files to the list in the future? -- Randy From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: k4rjj@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17269 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2004 07:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2004 07:14:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.66) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2004 07:14:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.114] by n11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2004 07:14:07 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 07:14:05 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.66 From: "Ronny" Subject: Re: What are the ethical risks of hacking the mailstation? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=161069349 X-Yahoo-Profile: k4rjj Status: RO Content-Length: 1237 Lines: 30 The only thing the "Agreement" relates to is use of the service. I see nothing in the paperwork that says "Thou shalt not hack firmware" unless it's using their service unauthorized. Someone please correct me if they see something I missed. --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "jmareksr" wrote: > I can think of two ethical issues related to hacking the ms, one that > I can ignore, and one that I can't. > > 1) I'm sure there was something in the license agreement about not > reverse engineering the ms, but I look on this as a fascinating > puzzle. There may be so much code that I will tire of trying to > understand it before I ever do, but for now, it is a diversion. I > don't have a problem with hacking an obsolete device as a personal > challenge. Should I feel more unethical about this? > > 2) I'm also sure that there are some ms users who know nothing about > computers and are just thrilled to get an email from a dear > friend. I have a big problem with contributing to their frustration > and disillusionment when someone figures out how to craft an email > that will change the ms settings or disable it. Is it possible to > collaborate on a hack and still protect the innocent? > > Jim From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: donhamilton2002@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95354 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2004 21:01:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Feb 2004 21:01:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.90) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2004 21:01:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Feb 2004 21:01:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 21:01:46 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.90 From: "donhamilton2002" Subject: Re: Welcome to hacking the mailstation. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175336879 X-Yahoo-Profile: donhamilton2002 Status: RO Content-Length: 973 Lines: 31 > And as for reflashing, that involves ethical considerations that I am > unsure of at this point. I would really like to add functionality, > not cut earthlink out of the picture. > I do not think earthlink cares one way or another. The few people here that can hack the hardware, I am sure does not impact their bottom line. Now if someone ever figured out how to externally re-load code, so any non-tech type can reflash their roms. That would be cutting them out. I had always thought the posting about $100 to anyone who can reflash thier MS was posted by someone at earthlink. ( we have a $100 bill for you, just give us your name and address ) I see two dozen people here, and maybe a few hundred on linux-hacker.net, thats just not enough to make/break anyone. The MS devices are not really selling anyway. ( otherwise they would not be giving them away at OfficeMax) But, If some does find a way to reflash their MS. Please post here :-). Hamilton From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: rec3d@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31499 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2004 16:12:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2004 16:12:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.72) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2004 16:12:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.144] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Mar 2004 16:12:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:12:25 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.72 From: "rec3d" Subject: Connecting a mailstation to send text to a pc throug parallel port X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=176808388 X-Yahoo-Profile: rec3d Status: RO Content-Length: 685 Lines: 17 Hello, I want to use the mailstation to type text and then send it to a pc directly throug its parallel port. This is my idea: Create a new email in the mailstation, then push print button, instead of connecting it to a printer, I thougt connecting it to a pc parallel port with a program that simulates a printer and acquires the text and writes it to a file. Now here is my question: Does anybody know wich pins of the rs-422 on the mailstation have to have a "1" or a "0" to make it believe that it is connected to a printer? Because I tried with many combinations and the mailstation is still saying that the printer is not ready/connected... Any ideas are welcomed. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: k4rjj@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71723 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2004 22:18:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Mar 2004 22:18:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc12.comcast.net) (204.127.202.56) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2004 22:18:04 -0000 Received: from CRYSTAL (c-24-99-57-90.atl.client2.attbi.com[24.99.57.90]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004030621165701200fe5ece>; Sat, 6 Mar 2004 21:16:57 +0000 Message-ID: <008201c403bf$af16f250$1108a8c0@CRYSTAL> To: References: Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 16:12:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007F_01C40395.C5DCD150" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.56 From: "Ronny Julian" Reply-To: "Ronny Julian" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Connecting a mailstation to send text to a pc throug parallel port X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=161069349 X-Yahoo-Profile: k4rjj Status: RO Content-Length: 3967 Lines: 134 ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01C40395.C5DCD150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.repairfaq.org/filipg/LINK/PORTS/F_PARALLEL2.html This could hel= p. ----- Original Message ----- From: rec3d To: mailstation@yahoogr= oups.com Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 11:12 AM Subject: [mailstation= ] Connecting a mailstation to send text to a pc throug parallel port He= llo, I want to use the mailstation to type text and then send it to a pc= directly throug its parallel port. 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He wishes to use the display module from a MailStation as part of a homebuilt MP3 in-car player?
 
Neil
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Hello i am from Argentina, my inglish is not very good but I am going to deal with which they understand me.
I am arming a reproducer of MP3 for my car and want to connect display of mailstation to winamp. Somebody has the wiring diagram.
Thanks
Pablo Montes de Oca


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X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 46245 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2005 03:46:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2005 03:46:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 03:46:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2005 03:46:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.140] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2005 03:46:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 03:46:20 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "ab8kf" Subject: Memory & port maps X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157967598 X-Yahoo-Profile: ab8kf Status: RO Content-Length: 76 Lines: 7 Where can I get all the discovered memory and port maps to date? -Sean From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: donhamilton2002@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 69192 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2005 16:01:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2005 16:01:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n14a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.28) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 16:01:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n14.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2005 16:01:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.183] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2005 16:01:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:01:12 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.28 From: "donhamilton2002" Subject: Re: Memory & port maps X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175336879 X-Yahoo-Profile: donhamilton2002 Status: RO Content-Length: 296 Lines: 13 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "ab8kf" wrote: > > Where can I get all the discovered memory and port maps to date? > -Sean http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=mswhatever&Post=77&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=0&Session= From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: donhamilton2002@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92508 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2005 16:08:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2005 16:08:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2005 16:08:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2005 16:08:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.161] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2005 16:08:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:07:59 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002d01c4e6a0$e56df140$6902a8c0@aylen> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: "donhamilton2002" Subject: Re: Display Mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=175336879 X-Yahoo-Profile: donhamilton2002 Status: RO Content-Length: 491 Lines: 21 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "PM Sistemas de Pablo Montes de Oca" wrote: > Hello i am from Argentina, my inglish is not very good but I am going to deal with which they understand me. > I am arming a reproducer of MP3 for my car and want to connect display of mailstation to winamp. Somebody has the wiring diagram. > Thanks > Pablo Montes de Oca Goto message 38 on this message board. If you get the LCD display working, please post what you did. Thanks From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ab8kf@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14598 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 02:50:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2005 02:50:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51010.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.129) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 02:50:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 69423 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jan 2005 02:50:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=E66UHohweS17A3q6Z/nsSKDwsQyH1BXbWfVGlTx2eJqTflVWk453/d3Jij1jZEbU8iq+7lfYs/HJE4uxEGErbTyY7dyDnaI4366YKpm25KPe/fpHsIqEEibOngcAxB4J0LxSRK4wG0J+nYW277I9ZaJzsvr6j55//y6FhNZvSC8= ; Message-ID: <20050104025026.69421.qmail@...> Received: from [166.70.56.185] by web51010.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:50:26 PST Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:50:26 -0800 (PST) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.129 From: Sean Walton Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Memory & port maps X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157967598 X-Yahoo-Profile: ab8kf Status: RO Content-Length: 6827 Lines: 237 Too bad that more progress was not made. In any case I have several questions regarding these specs: | PORT definitions | P01 = keyboard (in = cols, out = rows) Do we have the keyboard matrix mapping? | P02 = various | .7 = LCD_ON (output) Is this part of a "sleep" mode? | .6 = CALLERID_DATA (input) What is this?? I'm guessing that indicates that caller ID data is waiting...? | .5 = NOT_MODEM_POWER (output) Another part of a "sleep" mode? | .4 = YOUGOTMAIL_LED (output) This is obvious. | .3 = LCD_CAS (output) What is this? | .2 = CALLERID_DATA_RDY (input) ?? Wait... Didn't I see this above... now I'm confused. | .1 = KEYROW_9 (output) ?? | .0 = KEYROW_8 (output) ?? | P03 = software masks for ISRs: in's are interrupt source, out's are masks. | Highest to lowest: | .7 = Caller id handler Ok, I think I understand this one... | .5 = maybe RTC??? Yeah, I understand. Now, I have questions about the Real-Time Clock... | .6 = Modem handler How much do we know about the modem? E.g. does it have a queue? Smartmodem compliant? | .4 = increment time16 ??? What's this?? | .3 = null | .0 = null | .1 = Keyboard handler | .2 = null OK. | P05 = slot4000page holds A14 - A21, for addresses in #4000-7FFF range. | P06 = slot4000device holds A22 - A29, for addresses in #4000-7FFF range. | P07 = slot8000page holds A14 - A21, for addresses in #8000-BFFF range. | P08 = slot8000device holds A22 - A29, for addresses in #8000-BFFF range. |Device codes: | 0 = codeflash (64 pages) | 1 = ram ( 8 pages) | 2 = LCD (right half) ( 1 page ) | 3 = dataflash (32 pages) | 4 = LCD (left half) ( 1 page ) | 5 = modem ( 1 page ) OK, I guessing that the notes "holds A22 - A29" is bogus because of the device codes and should read: P05 = slot4000 page holds A14 - A21, for addresses in #4000-7FFF range. P06 = slot4000 device code for $4000 slot P07 = slot8000 page holds A14 - A21, for addresses in #8000-BFFF range. P08 = slot8000 device code for $8000 slot | P09 = printer control & power detect & power button. | .0 = PRINTER_STROBE (output) | .1 = PRINTER_AUTOFEED (output) | .2 = PRINTER_INIT (output) | .3 = PRINTER_SELECT (output) | .4 = POWERBUTTON (input) | .5 = dc-dc good (input) | .6 = +5V good (input) | .7 = +6V good (input) Clear. | P0A = printer control direction Um... I'm assuming that this is ALWAYS=1111.0000. Input is b=0, output is b=1 (I believe that's the standard for parallel line controllers). | P0D = CPU clock rate control (clock is 8MHz on reset) | #f0=8MHz, #30=10MHz, #00=12MHz. Resets to 8MHz. | (bits: ?X?X.???? bits 6 & 4 defined/known) Has anyone fleshed out the unknown bits? I do find it interesting when devices select their own clock rate: why would anyone want anything but the fastest rate? | P21 = printer status (db25 pins 10,11,12,13,15) Which bits are mapped to which pin? | P28 = various (output) | .0 = modem_reset Ok, I get this. | .1 = 74C74_pin4_via600ohm | .2 = callid_dataclock | .3 = callid_sleep/reset | .4 = callid_FSK/not_DTMF What is all of this? | .5 = ?? | .6 = ?? | .7 = ?? Has anyone done more here? | P2C = printer data direction Um... I'm assuming that P2C.0-7 maps to D0-7. To enable bidirectional PIO, the lines have to be driven 0000.0000 for input and 1111.1111 for output. Does anyone know if this is compatible with APIO/PPI specs. It would be fun to connect a Zip drive. | P2D = printer data (db25 pins 2 - 9) Gotcha. (Of course, I'm assuming that P2D.0-7 => D0-7 | P2F = RTC clock rate control???? Does anyone know the division rate? | There are a few more ports not doc. here. (probably clock/calendar?????) Anyone know what they are? | Just what is a "bank? Is it where memory goes, or the memory that goes there? | As in "there are 2 banks, at #4000 & #8000" versus "there are 64 banks of | codeflash", and "32 banks of dataflash", and "8 banks of ram". Too avoid | confusion, I am calling the chunks of memory "pages", and the places those | chunks are swapped into "slots". I find it too confusing to keep calling them | both banks. | There are 4 slots, of 16k each, at #0000, #4000, #8000, & #C000. | Only slot #4000 & slot #8000 have been observed to be swappable, with | codeflash swapping into #4000, and ram into #8000. Also, it seems everything | except the ram uses #4000 slot. (LCD, dataflash, Modem, caller ID) | slot #0000 is always codeflash page #00 | slot #4000 is codeflash pages #01 to #3f (Or LCD, dataflash, Modem, caller ID) | slot #8000 is ram pages #1 to #7 | slot #C000 is always ram page #00 Okay, I'm cool with the definitions. However, I am unclear about several things: 1) It appears that either the $4000 or the $8000 slot can take a device page. Does this mean that I can map any of the devices to either slot? The slot definitions, above, say 'no'. Therefore, I have to assume that the device selector for $8000 (P08) must always =1 (RAM bank). 2) Is it possible to have both LCD banks visible selected at the same time? (This depends on Q#1 being 'yes'.) 3) The modem is a serial device. Are all but the first byte be undefined? 4) What does the Caller ID data look like? Is it a string? Is it serial and interupt-driven like the modem? | On reset, slot4000 and slot8000 both contain codeflash page 0 (dev 0, pg 0). | I would guess that any device can swap into either slot, but so far the ram | is the only thing to use #8000 slot, and it never goes in the #4000 slot. Okay, one question answered. That means that the monochrome display is fully writable (one can actually write to the full display without paging). | It seems that the #0000 slot always is codeflash page #00, & since pg #00 has | the bank swapping code, this makes sense. There are a lot of low level | routines in this page, too. And if the dataflash and codeflash both swap into | slot #4000, then the only routines to directly access dataflash MUST be in | page 0 of codeflash ... Logical. logical. logical. Slot $0000 appears to be the main manager for the "operating system". | (or copied to ram, as in update mode) Aha! Here's the other goodie. The update mode seems to be running from RAM. So, I have several hypotheses and questions: 1) Is the "update mode" the re-flashing function that SJ was playing with? 2) Has anyone found & isolated this "update mode"? 3) This clearly means that we can execute in other regions than $0000 and $4000 | It stands to reason that slot #C000 is fixed ram page, since it contains the | stack. Everything I have seen says that the #4000 slot is where all the | coderom above #003fff is mapped. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 80764 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 03:16:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2005 03:16:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 03:16:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2005 03:14:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.172] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2005 03:14:39 -0000 Date: 4 Jan 2005 03:14:39 -0000 Message-ID: <1104808479.195.84265.w5@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for mailstation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.35 Status: RO Content-Length: 522 Lines: 30 Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the mailstation group: What is your main purpose in hacking a Mailstation? o Creating an independent POP3 client o Migrating uCLinux/others o Rewriting firmware completely To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/surveys?id=927375 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Thanks! From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ab8kf@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85165 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 03:17:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2005 03:17:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 03:17:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2005 03:17:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.132] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2005 03:17:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 03:16:57 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.48 From: "ab8kf" Subject: New Poll X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157967598 X-Yahoo-Profile: ab8kf Status: RO Content-Length: 166 Lines: 9 I have been hearing different objectives in hacking the MS, and I would like the general consensus. Please place a vote on a poll I created in the group. -Sean From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 801 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 13:33:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2005 13:33:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 13:33:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2005 13:33:13 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2005 13:33:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 13:33:12 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050104025026.69421.qmail@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Memory & port maps X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 14813 Lines: 468 --- Sean Walton wrote: > Too bad that more progress was not made. Yes. But I'm tryin'. >In any case > I have several questions regarding these specs: When it rains, it pours! :-) > | PORT definitions > | P01 = keyboard (in = cols, out = rows) > Do we have the keyboard matrix mapping? I sketched it on paper, and it is on the "todo list" to type it up. If you really want it, I can post it sooner rather than later. In the meantime, the Matrix is 10 rows by 8 columns. (bet you saw all three movies, and missed that! ;^) 8 of the rows are connected to output port #00, and the other 2 are on output port #02 bits 0 & 1. The 8 columns are read back on input port #00. > | P02 = various > | .7 = LCD_ON (output) > Is this part of a "sleep" mode? I guess so, for just the lcd. The cpu can turn off the power to most of the circuits (including the lcd) in what I would call the sleep mode, but that is separate from this. Also, some parts of the circuit can be powered down independent of the rest (modem for instance). I don't know for sure, but it seems a good guess that turning the lcd off with a low to "LCD_ON" would save power. LCD_ON seems to be an enable for the lcd driver circuits (inside of the lcd). > | .6 = CALLERID_DATA (input) > What is this?? I'm guessing that indicates that > caller ID data is waiting...? Serial data, from the caller id chip, to the cpu. > | .5 = NOT_MODEM_POWER (output) > Another part of a "sleep" mode? This one actually gates the power on/off to the modem circuitry. It seems logical that it would be off to save power whenever you are not using the modem. > | .4 = YOUGOTMAIL_LED (output) > This is obvious. > > | .3 = LCD_CAS (output) > What is this? I am not an expert on lcd's, in fact this mailstation lcd is the first I have really looked at. I looked at several common lcd data sheets, and as I recall this one did not match any of the common ones. Since message 38, I have seen sevearal lcd's that have a command/data pin, and I suppose that could be the real function of this signal (it goes directly to the lcd ribbon cable). But if that is the case, the only command I see the mailstation sending is a "column number". I called it cas (column address select), because it reminded me of how DRAM chips are addressed. But it is probably better to rename it "column register select", because the column number is sent on the data bus (in a seperate write cycle), not on a multiplexed address bus as with DRAM cas. Maybe there *are* other commands besides the column number, and it really *is* "command register select"???? I dunno. > | .2 = CALLERID_DATA_RDY (input) > ?? Wait... Didn't I see this above... now I'm > confused. Above was the actual serial data input, *this* is the handshake that tells the cpu to read that data. > | .1 = KEYROW_9 (output) > ?? > > | .0 = KEYROW_8 (output) > ?? The 2 (of 10) rows that did not fit port #01. > | P03 = software masks for ISRs: in's are interrupt > source, out's are masks. > | Highest to lowest: > | .7 = Caller id handler > Ok, I think I understand this one... > > | .5 = maybe RTC??? > Yeah, I understand. Now, I have questions about the > Real-Time Clock... > > | .6 = Modem handler > How much do we know about the modem? E.g. does it > have a queue? > Smartmodem compliant? I dunno, but I can post the data sheet (if it is not already there???) The handler does implement send and recv queue's in software. > | .4 = increment time16 > ??? What's this?? There are two software timebases, one is a 16 bit value, and the other is 32 bit. The 32 bit one seems to be counting milliseconds, but I don't know what this one is counting (besides the number of times that int 3.4 has happened). The only thing that happens during int 3.4 is this 16 bit counter is incremented. So far, I don't know where this value is used, or what for. > | .3 = null > | .0 = null > | .1 = Keyboard handler > | .2 = null > OK. > > | P05 = slot4000page holds A14 - A21, for addresses in > #4000-7FFF range. > | P06 = slot4000device holds A22 - A29, for addresses > in #4000-7FFF range. > | P07 = slot8000page holds A14 - A21, for addresses in > #8000-BFFF range. > | P08 = slot8000device holds A22 - A29, for addresses > in #8000-BFFF range. > |Device codes: > | 0 = codeflash (64 pages) > | 1 = ram ( 8 pages) > | 2 = LCD (right half) ( 1 page ) > | 3 = dataflash (32 pages) > | 4 = LCD (left half) ( 1 page ) > | 5 = modem ( 1 page ) > OK, I guessing that the notes "holds A22 - A29" is > bogus because of the > device codes and should read: > P05 = slot4000 page holds A14 - A21, for addresses > in #4000-7FFF range. > P06 = slot4000 device code for $4000 slot > P07 = slot8000 page holds A14 - A21, for addresses > in #8000-BFFF range. > P08 = slot8000 device code for $8000 slot A22-29 *is* the device code. Although there are no pins on the cpu for a22-a29, the device reg's can be thought of as holding those bits. I have been using the notation "DDPP:XXXX" for 32 bit mailstation addresses, where DD is one byte of device address (port #06 or #08), PP is one byte of page address (port #05 or #07), and XXXX is two bytes of slot & offset (the z80's idea of the address). The hi two bits of XXXX determine the "slot" (which dev & page registers to use) and the lo 14 bits are the offset in page PP of device DD. (slot0000 and slotC000 don't have writeable device and page registers, AFAICT, they use fixed values, so addresses in these "slots" always refer to fixed pages, with slot0000 always holding page #00 of device #00 and slotC000 always holding page #00 of device #01.) > | P09 = printer control & power detect & power button. > | .0 = PRINTER_STROBE (output) > | .1 = PRINTER_AUTOFEED (output) > | .2 = PRINTER_INIT (output) > | .3 = PRINTER_SELECT (output) > | .4 = POWERBUTTON (input) > | .5 = dc-dc good (input) > | .6 = +5V good (input) > | .7 = +6V good (input) > Clear. > > | P0A = printer control direction > Um... I'm assuming that this is ALWAYS=1111.0000. > Input is b=0, output is b=1 > (I believe that's the standard for parallel line > controllers). The mailstation probably leaves it set that way. Or I should say it sets it that way, and leaves it. I would guess (but have not tried it) that you could set any way you want, in *your* code. > | P0D = CPU clock rate control (clock is 8MHz on > reset) > | #f0=8MHz, #30=10MHz, #00=12MHz. Resets to 8MHz. > | (bits: ?X?X.???? bits 6 & 4 defined/known) > Has anyone fleshed out the unknown bits? Not me. > I do find it interesting when devices select their own > clock rate: why would > anyone want anything but the fastest rate? The power dissipation in CMOS devices is directly proportional to the clock rate. The batteries will last 1.5 times as long at 8 MHz. (But it might take 1.5 times as long to do your calculation!) > | P21 = printer status (db25 pins 10,11,12,13,15) > Which bits are mapped to which pin? P21.7 in - printer status busy (db25.11) P21.6 in - printer status ack (db25.10) P21.5 in - printer status paper end(db25.12) P21.4 in - printer status select (db25.13) P21.3 in - printer status error (db25.15) (The DB25 is a standard parallel port pinout.) > | P28 = various (output) > | .0 = modem_reset > Ok, I get this. > > | .1 = 74C74_pin4_via600ohm > | .2 = callid_dataclock > | .3 = callid_sleep/reset > | .4 = callid_FSK/not_DTMF > What is all of this? I think that 28.0 & 28.1 may be reversed???? P28.0 = connected to pin 4 of the 74c74 ic via a 600 ohm resistor. P28.1 = modem_reset The 74c74 is a dual flip flop, and it gates the power to most of the board (via a transistor). I think pulsing 28.0 will turn the board off. callid_dataclock - the cpu toggles this line, and the callid chip sends one serial bit for each clock. callid_sleep/reset - puts the callid chip in low power sleep mode. callid_FSK/not_DTMF - selects whether the callid chip listens for call id data (freq shift keyed modem-like data) or touch-tones (dual tone multi freq) > | .5 = ?? > | .6 = ?? > | .7 = ?? > Has anyone done more here? I don't know if they are used for anything internal, but I don't think they are brought out to pins on the cpu. > | P2C = printer data direction > Um... I'm assuming that P2C.0-7 maps to D0-7. To > enable bidirectional PIO, > the lines have to be driven 0000.0000 for input and > 1111.1111 for output. Does > anyone know if this is compatible with APIO/PPI specs. Dunno. What are APIO/PPI ? > It would be fun to > connect a Zip drive. > > | P2D = printer data (db25 pins 2 - 9) > Gotcha. (Of course, I'm assuming that P2D.0-7 => D0-7 > > | P2F = RTC clock rate control???? > Does anyone know the division rate? > > | There are a few more ports not doc. here. (probably > clock/calendar?????) > Anyone know what they are? > > | Just what is a "bank? Is it where memory goes, or > the memory that goes there? > | As in "there are 2 banks, at #4000 & #8000" versus > "there are 64 banks of > | codeflash", and "32 banks of dataflash", and "8 > banks of ram". Too avoid > | confusion, I am calling the chunks of memory > "pages", and the places those > | chunks are swapped into "slots". I find it too > confusing to keep calling them > | both banks. > | There are 4 slots, of 16k each, at #0000, #4000, > #8000, & #C000. > | Only slot #4000 & slot #8000 have been observed to > be swappable, with > | codeflash swapping into #4000, and ram into #8000. > Also, it seems everything > | except the ram uses #4000 slot. (LCD, dataflash, > Modem, caller ID) > | slot #0000 is always codeflash page #00 > | slot #4000 is codeflash pages #01 to #3f (Or LCD, > dataflash, Modem, caller ID) > | slot #8000 is ram pages #1 to #7 > | slot #C000 is always ram page #00 > Okay, I'm cool with the definitions. However, I am > unclear about several > things: > 1) It appears that either the $4000 or the $8000 slot > can take a device > page. Does this mean that I can map any of the > devices to either slot? > The slot definitions, above, say 'no'. Therefore, I > have to assume that > the device selector for $8000 (P08) must always =1 > (RAM bank). The description above is just how the mailstation code is using the hardware. I have verified that the coderom can be mapped to slot8000, and also that ram can be mapped to slot4000. I assume that any device can go in either slot, but I only tested those. > 2) Is it possible to have both LCD banks visible > selected at the same > time? (This depends on Q#1 being 'yes'.) Both lcd banks are visible all the time, they are the right and left halfs of the screen. The cpu can only access one half at a time, though. In fact, the cpu can only access one byte (one row, of one column, of one half the screen) at a time. Each row is mapped to a different address in the cpu's address space. Changing columns within a half requires sending a new column number to that column register thingy. And changing halfs requires outputing a device number to the appropriate device register. > 3) The modem is a serial device. Are all but the > first byte be undefined? The modem interface to the cpu is parallel, one byte at a time (the uart is inside the modem chip). When the modem is banked in, the 8 modem registers are mapped to the first 8 bytes of whichever slot it is in (probably mirrored throughout) The mailstation code puts the modem into slot4000. So, with the modem in slot 4000, the recv data is read from memory address #4000, and send data is written to that address. #4001-4007 are the status and control registers. > 4) What does the Caller ID data look like? Is it a > string? Dunno. > Is it serial > and interupt-driven like the modem? Yes. Yes. > | On reset, slot4000 and slot8000 both contain > codeflash page 0 (dev 0, pg 0). > | I would guess that any device can swap into either > slot, but so far the ram > | is the only thing to use #8000 slot, and it never > goes in the #4000 slot. > Okay, one question answered. That means that the > monochrome display is fully > writable (one can actually write to the full display > without paging). You mean by putting one half in slot4000 and the other half in slot8000?????? I suppose you could do that, but you would still have to deal with the column addresses. IOW, you cannot map all the screen pixels into memory at the same time. You possibly could map one column from first half and one column from the second half at the same time. (Each column is a byte wide x 128 bytes high. And each half screen is 20 columns wide.) The mailstation handles this nastiness by using a screen buffer in ram (in fixed slotC000). All drawing is done in this buffer, which *is* a block of bits representing the whole 320 x 128 pixel screen. There are text, line, and icon drawing routines. And after a whole screen is drawn another routine copies the whole mess over to the actual lcd. Half the screen at a time. One column of each half at a time. One byte of each column at a time. > | It seems that the #0000 slot always is codeflash > page #00, & since pg #00 has > | the bank swapping code, this makes sense. There are > a lot of low level > | routines in this page, too. And if the dataflash and > codeflash both swap into > | slot #4000, then the only routines to directly > access dataflash MUST be in > | page 0 of codeflash ... > Logical. logical. logical. > Slot $0000 appears to be the main manager for the > "operating system". Those above referenced drawing routines are there, too! > | (or copied to ram, as in update mode) > Aha! Here's the other goodie. The update mode seems > to be running from RAM. Yes. > So, I have several hypotheses and questions: > 1) Is the "update mode" the re-flashing function that > SJ was playing with? Yes. > 2) Has anyone found & isolated this "update mode"? Yes. The protocol was described in message 92 and code to interface posted in the files section (mesg 85 + 86). > 3) This clearly means that we can execute in other > regions than $0000 and $4000 Yes, it is just that the mailstation code is assembled/linked to run in those slots. Your code can run wherever you like. > | It stands to reason that slot #C000 is fixed ram > page, since it contains the > | stack. Everything I have seen says that the #4000 > slot is where all the > | coderom above #003fff is mapped. My code is still not ready for prime time, but I expect too post a "beta" version "real soon now". I tried it out under win XP, and it does not work. :-( There is also a nasty tendency for the mailstation flash to be erased if you leave the laplink cable attached while rebooting the pc. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ab8kf@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32311 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 16:51:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2005 16:51:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51007.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.138) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 16:51:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 20769 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jan 2005 16:51:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=vLJMzXEUW2DmumwGrn4HzL45yNEwRTNr90oNGcEImZ3yvDumLiRo+GvcN7Xrycguts7sE0mtau1vfiIktlrxLh8yUoGvf+4adeg4itmV/sFqNA9jr6ougdt5fsypmX5s/SfBKPnJ5HNmKl4FtDcOmrMG3AF1PKgO7J+laHPo/p4= ; Message-ID: <20050104165122.20767.qmail@...> Received: from [166.70.56.185] by web51007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 08:51:22 PST Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 08:51:22 -0800 (PST) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.38.138 From: Sean Walton Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Memory & port maps X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157967598 X-Yahoo-Profile: ab8kf Status: RO Content-Length: 7308 Lines: 239 If it isn't obvious, I'm trying to write a firmware specification. | > | PORT definitions | > | P01 = keyboard (in = cols, out = rows) | > Do we have the keyboard matrix mapping? | | I sketched it on paper, and it is on the "todo list" | to type it up. If you really want it, I can post it | sooner rather than later. If you could scan the sketch and email it, I will formalize it. | > | P03.3 = LCD_CAS (output) | > What is this? | | I am not an expert on lcd's, in fact this mailstation | lcd is the first I have really looked at. I looked | at several common lcd data sheets, and as I recall | this one did not match any of the common ones. | Since message 38, I have seen sevearal lcd's | that have a command/data pin, and I suppose | that could be the real function of this signal | (it goes directly to the lcd ribbon cable). But | if that is the case, the only command I see | the mailstation sending is a "column number". | I called it cas (column address select), because | it reminded me of how DRAM chips are addressed. | But it is probably better to rename it "column register select", | because the column number is sent on the data | bus (in a seperate write cycle), not on a | multiplexed address bus as with DRAM cas. | Maybe there *are* other commands | besides the column number, and it really *is* | "command register select"???? I dunno. Ok, I can understand this... However, this is a bit-wide: So, the column must be selected serially. How long is the column address and where is the clock port? | > | .5 = maybe RTC??? | > Yeah, I understand. Now, I have questions about the | > Real-Time Clock... Do we have any information about the RTC? | > | .6 = Modem handler | > How much do we know about the modem? E.g. does it | > have a queue? | > Smartmodem compliant? | | I dunno, but I can post the data sheet | (if it is not already there???) | The handler does implement send and recv queue's in software. I don't recall seeing the document. I think that we need to place the significant documents like this in the /files folder. | > | .4 = increment time16 | > ??? What's this?? | | There are two software timebases, one is a 16 bit | value, and the other is 32 bit. The 32 bit one | seems to be counting milliseconds, but I don't | know what this one is counting (besides the | number of times that int 3.4 has happened). | The only thing that happens during | int 3.4 is this 16 bit counter is incremented. | So far, I don't know where this value is used, | or what for. What are the port #s for these two counters? | > P06 = slot4000 device code for $4000 slot | > P07 = slot8000 page holds A14 - A21, for addresses | > in #8000-BFFF range. | > P08 = slot8000 device code for $8000 slot | | A22-29 *is* the device code. I think that we are picking nits on semantics. According to the 3SI176 pinout, pin #26-32 appear to be a port with each pin assigned to each device. You know the code better than anyone else -- when selecting a device is it a bitset or is the pinout inaccurate? | > I do find it interesting when devices select their own | > clock rate: why would | > anyone want anything but the fastest rate? | | The power dissipation in CMOS devices is directly | proportional to the clock rate. The batteries | will last 1.5 times as long at 8 MHz. (But it might take | 1.5 times as long to do your calculation!) Excellent point. I believe that power consumption is nonlinear: the faster you go the power increases nonlinearly. So, keeping things slow is a "good thing." | > | P28 = various (output) | > | .0 = modem_reset | > Ok, I get this. | > | > | .1 = 74C74_pin4_via600ohm | > | .2 = callid_dataclock | > | .3 = callid_sleep/reset | > | .4 = callid_FSK/not_DTMF | > What is all of this? | | I think that 28.0 & 28.1 may be reversed???? Once again, I was using collected information I could find. You know the code far better than I do. I have made the change. | P28.0 = connected to pin 4 of the 74c74 ic via a 600 ohm resistor. | P28.1 = modem_reset | | The 74c74 is a dual flip flop, and it gates | the power to most of the board (via a transistor). | I think pulsing 28.0 will turn the board off. Does the board turn itself "on" through the hardware? | > | P2C = printer data direction | > Um... I'm assuming that P2C.0-7 maps to D0-7. To | > enable bidirectional PIO, | > the lines have to be driven 0000.0000 for input and | > 1111.1111 for output. Does | > anyone know if this is compatible with APIO/PPI specs. | | Dunno. What are APIO/PPI ? APIO = Advanced Parallel I/O PPI should be ECP/EPP (sorry) It may actually work... You stated that you can reprogram the MS using the parallel port. Do you manage to do bidirectional communication to-from the PC/MS? | > 2) Is it possible to have both LCD banks visible | > selected at the same | > time? (This depends on Q#1 being 'yes'.) | | Both lcd banks are visible all the time, they | are the right and left halfs of the screen. Sorry, I should have been more clear: I meant "visible to the firmware code." | Each row is mapped to a different address in the cpu's | address space. Changing columns within a half requires | sending a new column number to that column register thingy. | And changing halfs requires outputing a device number to | the appropriate device register. | I suppose you could do that, but you would still have to deal | with the column addresses. IOW, you cannot map all the | screen pixels into memory at the same time. You possibly could | map one column from first half and one column from | the second half at the same time. | (Each column is a byte wide x 128 bytes high. And each half screen | is 20 columns wide.) | | The mailstation handles this nastiness by using a screen | buffer in ram (in fixed slotC000). All drawing is done | in this buffer, which *is* a block of bits representing the | whole 320 x 128 pixel screen. There are text, line, and icon | drawing routines. | | And after a whole screen is drawn another routine | copies the whole mess over to the actual lcd. | Half the screen at a time. | One column of each half at a time. | One byte of each column at a time. Please help me, I need more clarification. I believe that you are implying that each byte represents a pixel on the display -- is that true? If so, the screen has its own memory of 320x128x8 (or ~40KB). It's also possible that the display grays. Could you explain in more detail exactly how a block of bits are written to the display? | > 2) Has anyone found & isolated this "update mode"? | | Yes. The protocol was described in message 92 | and code to interface posted in the files section (mesg 85 + 86). I will look at those messages -- this is a major step and kudos to you! | My code is still not ready for prime time, but I expect | too post a "beta" version "real soon now". I tried it out | under win XP, and it does not work. :-( Still, I think that you have made some mjor progress! | There is also a nasty tendency for the mailstation flash to be erased | if you leave the laplink cable attached while rebooting the pc. eeek! -Sean __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83285 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 17:58:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2005 17:58:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.220) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 17:58:39 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.174.55]) by priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050104175835.NBRD28899.priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:58:35 -0700 Message-ID: <008401c4f287$01cdfc80$37ae74ce@...> To: References: <1104808479.195.84265.w5@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:54:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 199.185.220.220 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] New poll for mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 445 Lines: 24 Poll is too restrictive. I want to 1) Be able to set up any MailStation for any ISP 2) Convert the MailStation into a Super Tandy Model 100 laptop with Basic programming and other software. 3) ??? Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: > What is your main purpose in hacking a > Mailstation? > > o Creating an independent POP3 client > o Migrating uCLinux/others > o Rewriting firmware completely From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27027 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 17:58:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2005 17:58:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.220) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 17:58:43 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.174.55]) by priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050104175840.NBWB28899.priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:58:40 -0700 Message-ID: <008501c4f287$04a75b40$37ae74ce@...> To: References: Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:55:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 199.185.220.220 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Memory & port maps X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 464 Lines: 22 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cyrano Jones" > --- Sean Walton wrote: > > Too bad that more progress was not made. ... > > | P02 = various > > | .7 = LCD_ON (output) > > Is this part of a "sleep" mode? > > I guess so, for just the lcd. There is good reason for this. LCDs tend to be slow to update, so it's better to do some things with it off in some cases. They may not use this, but you never know. Regards, Neil Morrison From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ab8kf@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55371 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 18:04:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2005 18:04:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51008.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.139) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 18:04:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 20894 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jan 2005 18:04:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=hbvx39VwltnzPr9pnVBxZHSZcqUB3mLaR2eO6Vk1ntH528Ix/9nMG0P+nnzrUbv3nUJSHiLPPJKRtcrZQINN8MHRKS4yshCHoGN6hHprkb4OP5F6sKhc/o2aamWWpztmjr0YQ2LdxHWAjYj3wyuwxqb/QD8aHBSgjWirdMeJdqk= ; Message-ID: <20050104180451.20892.qmail@...> Received: from [166.70.56.185] by web51008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 10:04:51 PST Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:04:51 -0800 (PST) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <008401c4f287$01cdfc80$37ae74ce@...> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.38.139 From: Sean Walton Subject: Re: [mailstation] New poll for mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157967598 X-Yahoo-Profile: ab8kf Status: RO Content-Length: 890 Lines: 42 I hoped that my items would be clear enough. Actually, your #1 matches my #1, and your #2 matches my numbers #2 and #3. I wanted to be very specific, and maybe that lost some of the meaning. Does that help? -Sean --- Neil Morrison wrote: > > Poll is too restrictive. I want to > > 1) Be able to set up any MailStation for any ISP > > 2) Convert the MailStation into a Super Tandy Model > 100 laptop with Basic > programming and other software. > > 3) ??? > > Neil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > > What is your main purpose in hacking a > > Mailstation? > > > > o Creating an independent POP3 client > > o Migrating uCLinux/others > > o Rewriting firmware completely > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page � Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ab8kf@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61234 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 18:07:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2005 18:07:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51009.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.128) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 18:07:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 88596 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jan 2005 18:07:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=rsGt1l9gBUEzEPn1e9rTbfIXchVZcLA+UPMXlMGw2pK19+XwQ76K3rWoFrKpFXn/xgJqrYSgI+uKbPwXs1mmyQjPsG31/zalHZLz9GiIE0w9trSiCpF8yGqx/RDX5HLmN7g33xru2t0uZxcyez0ilg/S9Q88Pc7ZpGFD7gClZCw= ; Message-ID: <20050104180701.88594.qmail@...> Received: from [166.70.56.185] by web51009.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 10:07:01 PST Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:07:01 -0800 (PST) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <008501c4f287$04a75b40$37ae74ce@...> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.39.128 From: Sean Walton Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Memory & port maps X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157967598 X-Yahoo-Profile: ab8kf Status: RO Content-Length: 812 Lines: 39 Really? That jives with CJ's statement implying that the LCD has its own memory. Good comment! -Sean --- Neil Morrison wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cyrano Jones" > > > --- Sean Walton wrote: > > > Too bad that more progress was not made. > ... > > > | P02 = various > > > | .7 = LCD_ON (output) > > > Is this part of a "sleep" mode? > > > > I guess so, for just the lcd. > > There is good reason for this. LCDs tend to be slow > to update, so it's > better to do some things with it off in some cases. > They may not use this, > but you never know. > > Regards, > > Neil Morrison > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74416 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 18:31:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2005 18:31:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.223) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 18:31:36 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.174.55]) by priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050104182950.MYDC27214.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:29:50 -0700 Message-ID: <00a501c4f28b$5fe90860$37ae74ce@...> To: References: <20050104180701.88594.qmail@...> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:27:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 199.185.220.223 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Memory & port maps X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 388 Lines: 17 I have a lot of experience with the Tandy Model 100 and they are very slow to scroll etc. so it's normal to find ways around this. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Walton" > Really? That jives with CJ's statement implying that > the LCD has its own memory. Good comment! > -Sean > > There is good reason for this. LCDs tend to be slow > > to update ... From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51442 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 19:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2005 19:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.223) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 19:11:22 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.174.55]) by priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050104191120.PRTS27214.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:11:20 -0700 Message-ID: <00eb01c4f291$2c527e40$37ae74ce@...> To: References: <20050104180451.20892.qmail@...> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:07:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 199.185.220.223 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] New poll for mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 468 Lines: 20 I guess. I have a couple of the Yahoo ones which are fine as is, and a couple of the later ones that are locked to Earthlink which need to be hacked. Regards, Neil Morrison ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Walton" > I hoped that my items would be clear enough. > Actually, your #1 matches my #1, and your #2 matches > my numbers #2 and #3. I wanted to be very specific, > and maybe that lost some of the meaning. > Does that help? > -Sean From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8505 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2005 07:45:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jan 2005 07:45:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2005 07:45:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 07:44:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.153] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jan 2005 07:44:51 -0000 Date: 5 Jan 2005 07:44:49 -0000 Message-ID: <1104911089.11987.3395.w32@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to mailstation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.44 Status: RO Content-Length: 591 Lines: 29 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the mailstation group. File : /part files/mailstation_modemchip_1105r1.pdf Uploaded by : cyranojones_lalp Description : Modem Datasheet You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/files/part%20files/mailstation_modemchip_1105r1.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, cyranojones_lalp From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8458 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 15:19:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2005 15:19:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 15:19:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2005 15:19:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.182] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jan 2005 15:19:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:19:19 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050104165122.20767.qmail@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.20 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Memory & port maps X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 4773 Lines: 170 --- Sean Walton wrote: > If it isn't obvious, I'm trying to write a firmware > specification. Sounds interesting. By firmware spec, do you mean essentially a datasheet for the mailstation hardware? > | > | PORT definitions > | > | P01 = keyboard (in = cols, out = rows) > | > Do we have the keyboard matrix mapping? > | > | I sketched it on paper, and it is on the "todo list" > | to type it up. If you really want it, I can post it > | sooner rather than later. > If you could scan the sketch and email it, I will > formalize it. I typed it and uploaded to file section. Also another modem datasheet, and a revised verion of my lcd data. [blah blah, lcd, blah....] > Ok, I can understand this... However, this is a > bit-wide: So, > the column must be selected serially. How long is the > column > address and where is the clock port? The lcd interface is byte wide. Column numbers are sent as bytes. And pixel data is sent 8 pixels per byte. The columns are 8 pixels wide by 128 pixels high. 2 halfs x 20 columns/half x 8 pixels/column = 320 pixel wide screen. [...blah, rtc, blah...] > Do we have any information about the RTC? I'm pretty sure that i/o ports #10 thru #1F are for the rtc. The date & time digits are #10-#1C, and the last 3 are some sort of control. [...modem...] > I don't recall seeing the document. I think that we > need to > place the significant documents like this in the > /files folder. done. I skimmed thru it again, and it would seem that the modem in the ms is capable of controling a speakerphone, and the interfacing to a headset, too. Hmmmm. > | > | .4 = increment time16 > | > ??? What's this?? > | > | There are two software timebases, one is a 16 bit > | value, and the other is 32 bit. The 32 bit one > | seems to be counting milliseconds, but I don't > | know what this one is counting (besides the > | number of times that int 3.4 has happened). > | The only thing that happens during > | int 3.4 is this 16 bit counter is incremented. > | So far, I don't know where this value is used, > | or what for. > What are the port #s for these two counters? No ports, they are in ram. > > | > P06 = slot4000 device code for $4000 slot > | > P07 = slot8000 page holds A14 - A21, for > addresses > | > in #8000-BFFF range. > | > P08 = slot8000 device code for $8000 slot > | > | A22-29 *is* the device code. > I think that we are picking nits on semantics. > According to the 3SI176 pinout, pin #26-32 appear to > be > a port with each pin assigned to each device. You > know > the code better than anyone else -- when selecting a > device is it a bitset or is the pinout inaccurate? On the software side, it is the binary address. To select device 5 (the modem), the device register holds "0000 0101" You are correct that the device bits are decoded internally to a "1 of 7", and the device address bits never make it outside the cpu. And it is impossible to add even an 8th device, coz the whole device reg & decoder is buried in the chip. (There is one device select unused and available for expansion purposes, device 6). [......................] > | I think pulsing 28.0 will turn the board off. > Does the board turn itself "on" through the hardware? Yes, but not with that same signal. It can wake itself up at a set time, and download mail. And as far as I can tell, the cpu is sleeping, or off, before wakeup. So it can't wake itself up with a i/o bit. It must be a timer, likely part of the rtc. [....] > | Dunno. What are APIO/PPI ? > APIO = Advanced Parallel I/O > PPI should be ECP/EPP (sorry) My hunch is that it is just a matter of writing the software. The data pins on the parport are capable of bidir communication. > It may actually work... You stated that you can > reprogram > the MS using the parallel port. Do you manage to do > bidirectional communication to-from the PC/MS? Yes, but the ms update code uses a "laplink" type of protocol. It requires the minimum in parports, and will work with even the oldest par ports. It does not use real bidir capability, it receives 5 bits at a time using the status lines as inputs. [.................................................] > Please help me, I need more clarification. > I believe that you are implying that each byte > represents a pixel on > the display -- is that true? each byte is 8 horizontal pixels. > If so, the screen has > its own memory > of 320x128x8 (or ~40KB). It does have its own memory. (2 halfs x 20 cols x 128 rows x 8 pixels). > It's also possible that the > display grays. no. > Could you explain in more detail exactly how a block > of bits are > written to the display? check the revised lcd data in file section, under "part files". [.........] -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ab8kf@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55677 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 22:54:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2005 22:54:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51007.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.138) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 22:54:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 91832 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jan 2005 22:54:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=RuNRRuyYeqxZTRtkTROTRZqHXMEssUhDg/gXgvmfN542gSHfPlVlkUoNG2+JrkW8GgG9Qag3lMpJ6sTDfL8ZoL+4AhyFUmdqjsSZTqnRfUcgjKDIe3j51geK5AbojPSNq4XfTLIv+TyER6w65MPICXsS+3qFu/zlR60R23v+75c= ; Message-ID: <20050106225424.91830.qmail@...> Received: from [166.70.56.185] by web51007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 14:54:24 PST Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:54:24 -0800 (PST) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 206.190.38.138 From: Sean Walton Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Memory & port maps X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=157967598 X-Yahoo-Profile: ab8kf Status: RO Content-Length: 1341 Lines: 53 > --- Sean Walton wrote: > > If it isn't obvious, I'm trying to write a > firmware > > specification. > > Sounds interesting. By firmware spec, do you mean > essentially a datasheet for the mailstation > hardware? Essentially, yes. A firmware specification does define all the hardware elements in an embedded system, but it goes further to describe the: -Support devices and their programming +flash devices +RTC +display +modem +keyboard +parallel port +caller ID +LEDs +power modes -Interrupt subsystem +priorities +masking +stacking -Paging mechanisms and rules +slots & pages -Ports -- their meaning and programming +...? -Clocking: RTC and clock interrupts (if they exist) +timers +wake-ups +MM/DD/YYYY HH:MM:SS.mmm Many of the items above are still in flux, but I could gather what we know right now into a useful programmers document. I would like to get to the point of being able to completely reprogram the MS with my own OS and programming language(s). This is the first step in that direction. That is the reason I put that poll up -- I wanted to see if publishing this would be useful to more than myself alone. -Sean __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26643 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 23:13:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jan 2005 23:13:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail4.speakeasy.net) (216.254.0.204) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 23:13:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 1797 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2005 23:13:53 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail4.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 6 Jan 2005 23:13:53 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20050106225424.91830.qmail@...> References: <20050106225424.91830.qmail@...> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Message-Id: <1105053278.15654.257.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:14:38 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.254.0.204 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Memory & port maps X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 726 Lines: 22 Sean, Useful, certainly, but most of us can get along with an I/O map, memory map and the datasheets, so if I were you I wouldn't put too much effort into polished engineering documentation. Just the essentials will suffice for those who will be writing code. Where hard questions come up, one just disassembles the original firmware. Maybe better just to start hacking and document peculiarities as you go? I always figured the linux-hacker stuff looked sufficient to start getting code up and running. It certainly helped point the way to the native reflash code. (CJ -- I haven't forgotten about porting/testing the reflash code, alas I am just swamped with end-of-year bookkeeping stuff at the moment...) -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 32586 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2005 03:10:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Jan 2005 03:10:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2005 03:10:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2005 03:10:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.158] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jan 2005 03:10:50 -0000 Date: 14 Jan 2005 03:10:49 -0000 Message-ID: <1105672249.112.30416.w37@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: polls X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: Poll results for mailstation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.43 Status: RO Content-Length: 515 Lines: 30 The following mailstation poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: What is your main purpose in hacking a Mailstation? CHOICES AND RESULTS - Creating an independent POP3 client, 3 votes, 30.00% - Migrating uCLinux/others, 1 votes, 10.00% - Rewriting firmware completely, 6 votes, 60.00% For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ygator@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61436 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2005 21:56:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2005 21:56:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2005 21:56:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2005 21:55:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2005 21:55:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:54:58 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.41 From: "ygator" Subject: Some files have been posted to DET1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63329770 X-Yahoo-Profile: ygator Status: RO Content-Length: 6 Lines: 6 From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ygator@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96281 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2005 06:17:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2005 06:17:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2005 06:17:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2005 06:17:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2005 06:17:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:17:19 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.46 From: "ygator" Subject: Is there a way to setup more than one user? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63329770 X-Yahoo-Profile: ygator Status: RO Content-Length: 387 Lines: 18 I am able to do the Shift-FN-T trick during power on to setup one user. Is there any way to setup more via a similar method? I was too late for the poll, but for starters I would like to: 1) Be able to flash the device with new firmware 2) Modify firmware to unlock all User settings 3) Modify firmware to allow more than one user 4) Reflash unit with the two changes above From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25132 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2005 06:54:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2005 06:54:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.220) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2005 06:54:25 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.174.55]) by priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050128065425.ZFTC21196.priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:54:25 -0700 Message-ID: <004c01c50506$3399fe80$37ae74ce@...> To: References: Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:47:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 199.185.220.220 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Is there a way to setup more than one user? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 284 Lines: 16 Which model do you have? Surprised you can't set up 5 users. Regards, Neil Morrison ----- Original Message ----- From: "ygator" > I am able to do the Shift-FN-T trick during power on to setup one > user. Is there any way to setup more via a similar method? .. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: smokyiii@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72517 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2005 15:56:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2005 15:56:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2005 15:56:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2005 15:55:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2005 15:55:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:55:41 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.47 From: smokyiii@... Subject: MyCIDCO Info Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113923859 X-Yahoo-Profile: smokyiii Status: RO Content-Length: 376 Lines: 13 Has anyone been able to make use of the MyCIDCO Info part of a stock mailstation? I have mine set up to receive my POP3 e-mail just fine, but it would also be nice to be able to use the Info part. Would it be possible for me to set up a website so my mailstation can go out and get the weather, news, etc. just like it would if hooked to Earthlink? If so, how? Thanks! From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: k4rjj@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25041 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2005 16:41:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2005 16:41:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc12.comcast.net) (216.148.227.85) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2005 16:41:45 -0000 Received: from [172.31.1.173] (unknown[12.36.158.239]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with ESMTP id <20050129160138014002k5ape>; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:01:38 +0000 Message-ID: <41FBB487.6070708@...> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:06:31 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.148.227.85 From: Ronny Julian Subject: Re: [mailstation] MyCIDCO Info Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=161069349 X-Yahoo-Profile: k4rjj Status: RO Content-Length: 822 Lines: 39 What mailstation do you have? Thats been the $64000 question I've had all along is how to spoof this thing into going to another POP3 server. Does anyone want to buy 1 or 2 blue Mailstations as new? One is new in box. Neither has been registered. I just won one of the older ones that will fill my needs better. Offers? Trades? Audreys? Model 100s? smokyiii@... wrote: >Has anyone been able to make use of the MyCIDCO Info part of a stock >mailstation? I have mine set up to receive my POP3 e-mail just fine, >but it would also be nice to be able to use the Info part. Would it be >possible for me to set up a website so my mailstation can go out and >get the weather, news, etc. just like it would if hooked to Earthlink? >If so, how? > >Thanks! > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: smokyiii@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35336 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2005 19:28:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2005 19:28:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2005 19:28:54 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2005 19:28:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Jan 2005 19:28:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:28:34 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <41FBB487.6070708@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: smokyiii@... Subject: Re: MyCIDCO Info Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113923859 X-Yahoo-Profile: smokyiii Status: RO Content-Length: 1278 Lines: 36 Hi Ronny, I have the Mivo 350 Cordless V.1.35 (black). I received mine yesterday, went into setup, deleted out the previous user's info and was able to change everything. I am wanting it for my mother who wants something simple just for e-mail. (My father has an ISP for business, so she has her own POP3 e-mail account.) She's now using a 3com Audrey which I fixed for her. Problem is that Audrey is very bad about dialing up, getting e-mail, but not hanging up in a timely manner. (This Mailstation dials, gets e-mail, then hangs up immediately!) I just thought it would also be nice to be able to give her a little bonus with the MyCIDCO Info stuff. I have been to www.linux-hacker.net and wasn't able to find anything about MyCIDCO. There was a lot of info on going to another POP3 and much other type of hacking. --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, Ronny Julian wrote: > What mailstation do you have? Thats been the $64000 question I've had > all along is how to spoof this thing into going to another POP3 server. > > Does anyone want to buy 1 or 2 blue Mailstations as new? One is new in > box. Neither has been registered. I just won one of the older ones > that will fill my needs better. > > Offers? Trades? Audreys? Model 100s? From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: k4rjj@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59494 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2005 20:51:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2005 20:51:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc13.comcast.net) (204.127.202.64) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2005 20:51:14 -0000 Received: from [172.31.1.173] (unknown[12.36.158.239]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with ESMTP id <2005012920360801600gjhh0e>; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:36:08 +0000 Message-ID: <41FBF4DE.307@...> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:41:02 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.64 From: Ronny Julian Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: MyCIDCO Info Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=161069349 X-Yahoo-Profile: k4rjj Status: RO Content-Length: 1710 Lines: 79 Unfortunatley I bought two of the "Blue" ones. These are locked down to the Earthlink servers. I really don't think it's possible yet to reflash it. I bought one off eBay that is the non wireless version I think will work for what I wanted to do. smokyiii@... wrote: >Hi Ronny, >I have the Mivo 350 Cordless V.1.35 (black). I received mine >yesterday, went into setup, deleted out the previous user's info and >was able to change everything. I am wanting it for my mother who >wants something simple just for e-mail. (My father has an ISP for >business, so she has her own POP3 e-mail account.) She's now using a >3com Audrey which I fixed for her. Problem is that Audrey is very bad >about dialing up, getting e-mail, but not hanging up in a timely >manner. (This Mailstation dials, gets e-mail, then hangs up >immediately!) > >I just thought it would also be nice to be able to give her a little >bonus with the MyCIDCO Info stuff. I have been to >www.linux-hacker.net and wasn't able to find anything about MyCIDCO. >There was a lot of info on going to another POP3 and much other type >of hacking. > > >--- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, Ronny Julian wrote: > > >>What mailstation do you have? Thats been the $64000 question I've >> >> >had > > >>all along is how to spoof this thing into going to another POP3 >> >> >server. > > >>Does anyone want to buy 1 or 2 blue Mailstations as new? One is >> >> >new in > > >>box. Neither has been registered. I just won one of the older >> >> >ones > > >>that will fill my needs better. >> >>Offers? Trades? Audreys? Model 100s? >> >> > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76156 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2005 23:28:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Jan 2005 23:28:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.220) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2005 23:28:07 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.174.55]) by priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050129232421.DNJK6285.priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:24:21 -0700 Message-ID: <005001c50659$a86d0460$37ae74ce@...> To: References: <41FBF4DE.307@...> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:18:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 199.185.220.220 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] MyCIDCO Info Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 689 Lines: 19 I can't give you a guarantee BUT, experience teaches me that all of these units from the Mivo 100 and up will reflash with the same hardware and possibly the same software. Why re-invent the wheel? So once that's cracked, they'll all be open. Early investigation shows that there is plenty of ROM space unused - enough for a Basic interpreter for example. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronny Julian" > Unfortunatley I bought two of the "Blue" ones. These are locked down to > the Earthlink servers. I really don't think it's possible yet to > reflash it. I bought one off eBay that is the non wireless version I > think will work for what I wanted to do. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: k4rjj@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76247 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2005 02:12:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2005 02:12:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc13.comcast.net) (204.127.198.39) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2005 02:12:49 -0000 Received: from [172.31.1.173] (unknown[12.36.158.239]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with ESMTP id <20050129233844015008r21ie>; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:38:44 +0000 Message-ID: <41FC1FAA.50900@...> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:43:38 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com References: <41FBF4DE.307@...> <005001c50659$a86d0460$37ae74ce@...> In-Reply-To: <005001c50659$a86d0460$37ae74ce@...> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.198.39 From: Ronny Julian Subject: Re: [mailstation] MyCIDCO Info Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=161069349 X-Yahoo-Profile: k4rjj Status: RO Content-Length: 886 Lines: 44 How would that be done? What other equipment would I have to get to reflash one of these? Neil Morrison wrote: >I can't give you a guarantee BUT, experience teaches me that all of these >units from the Mivo 100 and up will reflash with the same hardware and >possibly the same software. Why re-invent the wheel? So once that's cracked, >they'll all be open. Early investigation shows that there is plenty of ROM >space unused - enough for a Basic interpreter for example. > >Neil > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ronny Julian" > > > >>Unfortunatley I bought two of the "Blue" ones. These are locked down to >>the Earthlink servers. I really don't think it's possible yet to >>reflash it. I bought one off eBay that is the non wireless version I >>think will work for what I wanted to do. >> >> > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34430 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2005 03:45:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2005 03:45:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.223) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2005 03:45:08 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.174.55]) by priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050130034507.WVPZ19877.priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:45:07 -0700 Message-ID: <015d01c5067e$16f79f20$37ae74ce@...> To: References: <41FBF4DE.307@...> <005001c50659$a86d0460$37ae74ce@...> <41FC1FAA.50900@...> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:45:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 199.185.220.223 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] MyCIDCO Info Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 499 Lines: 17 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronny Julian" > How would that be done? What other equipment would I have to get to > reflash one of these? Someone is going to figure this out an build a reflash station. But it'll be someone with in depth knowledge of electronics and Z-80 code. Once he does this, you'll all be sending your Mailstations in to be 'fixed'. I want to convert mine into a sort of super Radio Shack model 100 computer. This is not a job to do-it-yourself. Neil From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35635 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2005 05:11:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2005 05:11:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail25.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.27) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2005 05:11:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 19174 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2005 05:11:21 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail25.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 30 Jan 2005 05:11:20 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <015d01c5067e$16f79f20$37ae74ce@...> References: <41FBF4DE.307@...> <005001c50659$a86d0460$37ae74ce@...> <41FC1FAA.50900@...> <015d01c5067e$16f79f20$37ae74ce@...> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Message-Id: <1107061950.15218.561.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:12:30 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 69.17.117.27 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] MyCIDCO Info Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 1137 Lines: 33 On Sat, 2005-01-29 at 19:45, Neil Morrison wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ronny Julian" > > > How would that be done? What other equipment would I have to get to > > reflash one of these? > > Someone is going to figure this out an build a reflash station. But > it'll be > someone with in depth knowledge of electronics and Z-80 code. Once he > does > this, you'll all be sending your Mailstations in to be 'fixed'. I want > to > convert mine into a sort of super Radio Shack model 100 computer. > > This is not a job to do-it-yourself. Actually, I saw a special test clip for the TSOP flash parts like those in the Mailstation a few months back, I may be able to dig up the link. Just solder some wires and connect it to a programmer properly, I think you would be set. More efficient than having to use a rework station to lift the part and add a part w/ a documented bootloader/flash burn code Of course if all the units can be reflashed through the software mechanisms we're better off all around. I just have to get around to testing CJs code on my various units. Too many projects. -- John From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38085 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2005 06:30:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2005 06:30:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.220) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2005 06:30:34 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.174.55]) by priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050130063034.ZLZM6285.priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:30:34 -0700 Message-ID: <01ad01c50695$3380cce0$37ae74ce@...> To: References: <41FBF4DE.307@...> <005001c50659$a86d0460$37ae74ce@...> <41FC1FAA.50900@...> <015d01c5067e$16f79f20$37ae74ce@...> <1107061950.15218.561.camel@aragorn> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:25:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 199.185.220.220 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] MyCIDCO Info Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 776 Lines: 20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Hogerhuis" > Actually, I saw a special test clip for the TSOP flash parts like those > in the Mailstation a few months back, I may be able to dig up the link. > Just solder some wires and connect it to a programmer properly, I think > you would be set. More efficient than having to use a rework station to > lift the part and add a part w/ a documented bootloader/flash burn code > Of course if all the units can be reflashed through the software > mechanisms we're better off all around. I just have to get around to > testing CJs code on my various units. Too many projects. I'm assuming they can be reflashed via the parallel printer port, since it seems to be clear that the code is there to do that. Neil From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26224 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2005 09:12:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2005 09:12:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail28.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.30) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2005 09:12:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 15969 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2005 09:12:28 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail28.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 30 Jan 2005 09:12:28 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <01ad01c50695$3380cce0$37ae74ce@...> References: <41FBF4DE.307@...> <005001c50659$a86d0460$37ae74ce@...> <41FC1FAA.50900@...> <015d01c5067e$16f79f20$37ae74ce@...> <1107061950.15218.561.camel@aragorn> <01ad01c50695$3380cce0$37ae74ce@...> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Message-Id: <1107076419.15667.820.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:13:39 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 69.17.117.30 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] MyCIDCO Info Question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 876 Lines: 26 On Sat, 2005-01-29 at 22:25, Neil Morrison wrote: > I'm assuming they can be reflashed via the parallel printer port, > since it > seems to be clear that the code is there to do that. > There's code there, but there's no guarantee that it is in all versions of the ROM, or that all versions behave the same, or that future firmware revisions/updates won't rip it out. The parallel port routines are sort of a developer's back-door. As you know, in the field the units are upgraded via special cryptographically protected email messages. So they could take this stuff out any time, unless it's part of their manufacturing process. But I imagine they would be assembling the boards with the parts already programmed. Basically, we just need to verify it with CJs code. Everything is in place to move forward, it's just a matter of who has time to get it done. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ygator@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48506 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2005 21:34:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2005 21:34:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2005 21:34:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2005 21:34:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2005 21:34:52 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 21:34:51 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004c01c50506$3399fe80$37ae74ce@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.24 From: "ygator" Subject: Re: Is there a way to setup more than one user? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63329770 X-Yahoo-Profile: ygator Status: RO Content-Length: 414 Lines: 21 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Morrison" wrote: > > Which model do you have? Surprised you can't set up 5 users. Model DET1 - Mivo 100 I posted some files under DET1 Folder in the files section. Trying to add a second user the following message is displayed: To activate a new E-Mail account, please call: 1-888-403-7050 A representative will assist you with your request. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93629 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2005 21:48:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2005 21:48:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.223) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2005 21:48:13 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.174.55]) by priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050206214812.ORXO11251.priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:48:12 -0700 Message-ID: <002e01c50c95$8d1bd8c0$37ae74ce@...> To: References: Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 13:45:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 199.185.220.223 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Is there a way to setup more than one user? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 581 Lines: 27 That's too bad. The Yahoo ones are best, up to 5 accounts on any ISP. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "ygator" > --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Morrison" > wrote: > > > > Which model do you have? Surprised you can't set up 5 users. > > Model DET1 - Mivo 100 > > I posted some files under DET1 Folder in the files section. > > Trying to add a second user the following message is displayed: > > To activate a new E-Mail account, please call: > > 1-888-403-7050 > > A representative will assist you with your request. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ygator@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10236 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2005 05:12:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2005 05:12:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2005 05:12:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2005 05:11:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2005 05:11:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 05:11:46 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002e01c50c95$8d1bd8c0$37ae74ce@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.38 From: "ygator" Subject: Re: Is there a way to setup more than one user? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63329770 X-Yahoo-Profile: ygator Status: RO Content-Length: 220 Lines: 12 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Morrison" wrote: > > That's too bad. The Yahoo ones are best, up to 5 accounts on any ISP. What is the ROM version? Is the hardware model a DET1 also? From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83873 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2005 06:10:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2005 06:10:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.223) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2005 06:10:26 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.174.55]) by priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050207061025.EWEG21852.priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:10:25 -0700 Message-ID: <05c601c50cdb$b5cfe900$37ae74ce@...> To: References: Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 22:00:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 199.185.220.223 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Is there a way to setup more than one user? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 437 Lines: 22 ----- Original Message ----- From: "ygator" > --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Morrison" > wrote: > > > > That's too bad. The Yahoo ones are best, up to 5 accounts on any > ISP. > What is the ROM version? Don't know, but a Yahoo! symbol comes up on the screen. Is the hardware model a DET1 also? I thought so. Did you check the links on http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/ ?? Neil From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ygator@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7020 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2005 20:57:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Feb 2005 20:57:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2005 20:57:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2005 20:57:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Feb 2005 20:57:06 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 20:57:06 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <05c601c50cdb$b5cfe900$37ae74ce@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.16 From: "ygator" Subject: Re: Is there a way to setup more than one user? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63329770 X-Yahoo-Profile: ygator Status: RO Content-Length: 408 Lines: 18 > > What is the ROM version? > > Don't know, but a Yahoo! symbol comes up on the screen. It displays it under Settings. On mine you go to extras off the Main Menu and then Settings. The upper right shows XTND on or off and then the version of the ROM. > Is the hardware model a DET1 also? > > I thought so. Did you check the links on On mine there is a sticker on the bottom stating the model. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: anusha_kathy@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50103 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2005 06:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Mar 2005 06:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2005 06:44:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2005 06:39:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Mar 2005 06:39:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 06:39:45 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "anusha_kathy" Subject: Check this awesome Directory X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=216951266 X-Yahoo-Profile: anusha_kathy Status: RO Content-Length: 756 Lines: 20 Hello, I have always had problems using search engines to find what I wanted,as it always poped up results that I was in no way looking for. I just happen to go through a very simple page, with relavent links on computing and felt that it could be useful to you too. You may go to http://www.yahoouk.org/computing for the computing catalog with the following sub areas : Computer Hardware, Computer Peripherals,Computer Programming,Computer Security,Computer Services,Computer Storage Devices,Document Management,Ecommerce, Email, Enterprise Software Help Desk Services, Internet Service Providers, Memory, Network Design & Construction, Network Hardware, Online Content, Printers, Software Applications, Software Development and Web Hosting. Kathy From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52851 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2005 08:14:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Mar 2005 08:14:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2005 08:14:00 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2005 08:14:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Mar 2005 08:14:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:13:52 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Debugger X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 2315 Lines: 66 I have uploaded a current copy of my remote debugger to the files section (a DOS executable, mailbug.exe). It includes code to flash the remote target code (MBOOT/MBUG) into a mailstation. I have tested it on version 2.22r and 2.53yr. It should work with 2.54, too. I don't know about any of the others, but it might. You need a parallel laplink cable to use it. I think a windows DCC (direct cable connect) is essentially the same thing. If you don't feel adventurous, it should be possible to make a version that is more likely to work on unknown versions, it just is not done yet. It also includes a "RAM" target, that emulates only the mailstation ROM (you don't need to connect to real mailstation). This will allow "on the fly" disassembly of the rom code, including comments, but not execution. (unzip don hamiltons dump in subdir "hamilton", and debugger will convert it to .rom files.) Installing the MBUG target will erase most of the mailstation code, but the low level stuff is preserved. MBUG will allow on the fly disassembly, uploading to ram, and executing, among other things. Breakpoints still do not work. There is also an extremely simple "hello world" program (both .asm & .hex). It makes a call to a system routine, and displays on the LCD. The source code is included for the remote part, with an explanation of how it (remote) works. The source for the PC side is not included, 'cause it is not ready yet. There is no documentation on using it yet either, but the menu should help. It uses the same code I posted earlier (unit_tribbles.pas) but with new timeout code that should work regardless of cpu speed now. And it is still a DOS app (just be glad it is not still CP/M!!!). If anyone knows how to turn tribbles.pas into a win32 device driver, then I could make a win32 version. I only included comment file for page #00 of the rom for now. I have a lot more, but it is taking time to get everything in order. I hope to post more soon. But I wanted to get something out now. I'm sure I have forgot something.... Oh, if something goes wrong, you could toast your mailstation. I now have 4 units with unbootable rom code. And I would highly advise not to leave the laplink connected between your PC and the mailstation when booting the PC. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: bfayette@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85228 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2005 01:26:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2005 01:26:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-02-eri0.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.101) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2005 01:26:35 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (rdu26-42-070.nc.rr.com [66.26.42.70]) by ms-smtp-02-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2J1QW0V012624 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:26:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <423B7FAB.2020505@...> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:26:03 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com References: <1110463565.363.18693.m12@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1110463565.363.18693.m12@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Brad Fayette Subject: Re: [mailstation] Digest Number 74 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=74264799 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradfayette Status: RO Content-Length: 3539 Lines: 112 Well, I loaded MBOOT/MBUG on a Mailstation DET1 ver 2.54Y. The screen on the mailstation now says "Welcome to Mbug", which I assume is a good thing. How do I load the "Hello World" program? Regards, Brad Fayette "The geeks shall inherit the Earth." mailstation@yahoogroups.com wrote: > There is 1 message in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Debugger > From: "Cyrano Jones" > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:13:52 -0000 > From: "Cyrano Jones" > Subject: Debugger > > > I have uploaded a current copy of my remote debugger > to the files section (a DOS executable, mailbug.exe). > > It includes code to flash the remote target code > (MBOOT/MBUG) into a mailstation. I have tested > it on version 2.22r and 2.53yr. It should work with > 2.54, too. I don't know about any of the others, > but it might. You need a parallel laplink cable to > use it. I think a windows DCC (direct cable connect) > is essentially the same thing. > > If you don't feel adventurous, it should be possible > to make a version that is more likely to work on > unknown versions, it just is not done yet. > > It also includes a "RAM" target, that emulates only the > mailstation ROM (you don't need to connect to real mailstation). > This will allow "on the fly" disassembly of the rom code, > including comments, but not execution. (unzip don > hamiltons dump in subdir "hamilton", and debugger > will convert it to .rom files.) > > Installing the MBUG target will erase most of the > mailstation code, but the low level stuff is preserved. > MBUG will allow on the fly disassembly, uploading to > ram, and executing, among other things. Breakpoints > still do not work. > > There is also an extremely simple "hello world" program > (both .asm & .hex). It makes a call to a system routine, > and displays on the LCD. > > The source code is included for the remote part, with > an explanation of how it (remote) works. The source > for the PC side is not included, 'cause it is not ready yet. > There is no documentation on using it yet either, but > the menu should help. > > It uses the same code I posted earlier (unit_tribbles.pas) > but with new timeout code that should work regardless > of cpu speed now. And it is still a DOS app (just be glad > it is not still CP/M!!!). If anyone knows how to turn > tribbles.pas into a win32 device driver, then I could > make a win32 version. > > I only included comment file for page #00 of the rom > for now. I have a lot more, but it is taking time to get > everything in order. I hope to post more soon. But I > wanted to get something out now. > > I'm sure I have forgot something.... > > Oh, if something goes wrong, you could toast your > mailstation. I now have 4 units with unbootable rom code. > > And I would highly advise not to leave the laplink > connected between your PC and the mailstation when > booting the PC. > > -- > CJ > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: bfayette@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92959 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2005 01:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2005 01:30:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.102) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2005 01:30:51 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (rdu26-42-070.nc.rr.com [66.26.42.70]) by ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2J1Umkc005016 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:30:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <423B80AC.9090405@...> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 20:30:20 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com References: <1110463565.363.18693.m12@yahoogroups.com> In-Reply-To: <1110463565.363.18693.m12@yahoogroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Brad Fayette Subject: Re: [mailstation] Digest Number 74 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=74264799 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradfayette Status: RO Content-Length: 3439 Lines: 110 Also, how do I shut off the mailstation now that it is flashed with the Mbug code? Thanks. Regards, Brad Fayette "The geeks shall inherit the Earth." mailstation@yahoogroups.com wrote: > There is 1 message in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Debugger > From: "Cyrano Jones" > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:13:52 -0000 > From: "Cyrano Jones" > Subject: Debugger > > > I have uploaded a current copy of my remote debugger > to the files section (a DOS executable, mailbug.exe). > > It includes code to flash the remote target code > (MBOOT/MBUG) into a mailstation. I have tested > it on version 2.22r and 2.53yr. It should work with > 2.54, too. I don't know about any of the others, > but it might. You need a parallel laplink cable to > use it. I think a windows DCC (direct cable connect) > is essentially the same thing. > > If you don't feel adventurous, it should be possible > to make a version that is more likely to work on > unknown versions, it just is not done yet. > > It also includes a "RAM" target, that emulates only the > mailstation ROM (you don't need to connect to real mailstation). > This will allow "on the fly" disassembly of the rom code, > including comments, but not execution. (unzip don > hamiltons dump in subdir "hamilton", and debugger > will convert it to .rom files.) > > Installing the MBUG target will erase most of the > mailstation code, but the low level stuff is preserved. > MBUG will allow on the fly disassembly, uploading to > ram, and executing, among other things. Breakpoints > still do not work. > > There is also an extremely simple "hello world" program > (both .asm & .hex). It makes a call to a system routine, > and displays on the LCD. > > The source code is included for the remote part, with > an explanation of how it (remote) works. The source > for the PC side is not included, 'cause it is not ready yet. > There is no documentation on using it yet either, but > the menu should help. > > It uses the same code I posted earlier (unit_tribbles.pas) > but with new timeout code that should work regardless > of cpu speed now. And it is still a DOS app (just be glad > it is not still CP/M!!!). If anyone knows how to turn > tribbles.pas into a win32 device driver, then I could > make a win32 version. > > I only included comment file for page #00 of the rom > for now. I have a lot more, but it is taking time to get > everything in order. I hope to post more soon. But I > wanted to get something out now. > > I'm sure I have forgot something.... > > Oh, if something goes wrong, you could toast your > mailstation. I now have 4 units with unbootable rom code. > > And I would highly advise not to leave the laplink > connected between your PC and the mailstation when > booting the PC. > > -- > CJ > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 84716 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2005 04:04:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2005 04:04:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2005 04:04:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2005 04:04:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2005 04:04:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 04:04:20 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <423B7FAB.2020505@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Digest Number 74 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1069 Lines: 44 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, Brad Fayette wrote: > Well, I loaded MBOOT/MBUG on a Mailstation DET1 ver 2.54Y. The screen on > the mailstation now says "Welcome to Mbug", which I assume is a good thing. Correct! > How do I load the "Hello World" program? First make sure the target is set to "MBUG", and not "RAM". The T key toggles between the two. Then either set the "workfile" with W key, type hello.hex (or just proceed with load, and enter filename when it asks.) Next type L 4000 (as in "Load 4000) Then type G 4000 (as in "Go 4000) And it should execute the extremely short program, which calls the display routine, and then jump back into MBUG (it leaves MBUG in control when done). For the addresses, you can also specify the device and page, or else it will use whatever device/page is at the z80 address you give. You can enter a path with the filename, but the default dir is the 253yr subdir, and that is where hello.hex is. There is also a z80 cross assembler (dos) in the mbug directory. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91169 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2005 04:08:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2005 04:08:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2005 04:08:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2005 04:08:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.93] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2005 04:08:37 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 04:08:28 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <423B80AC.9090405@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Digest Number 74 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 327 Lines: 20 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, Brad Fayette wrote: > Also, how do I shut off the mailstation now that it is flashed with the > Mbug code? Thanks. Unplug the power! The mailstation shuts off under software control, and that sowtware is not running now, so the power button does nothing. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62902 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2005 05:47:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2005 05:47:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2005 05:47:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2005 05:46:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2005 05:46:52 -0000 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 05:46:49 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <423B7FAB.2020505@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Digest Number 74 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 521 Lines: 23 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, Brad Fayette wrote: > Well, I loaded MBOOT/MBUG on a Mailstation DET1 ver 2.54Y. The screen on > the mailstation now says "Welcome to Mbug", which I assume is a good thing. I was wondering what os/cpu/mhz you are running under? Do the comments display with the disassemble command (D xxxx)? Disassembly works with either the mbug or ram targets, but it is slower with mbug because it is pumping the code over the laplink as it scrolls down screen. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: bfayette@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75456 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2005 14:40:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2005 14:40:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com) (24.25.9.100) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2005 14:40:11 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (rdu26-42-070.nc.rr.com [66.26.42.70]) by ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j2JEe9Lv026117 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 09:40:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <423C39AB.6030203@...> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 09:39:39 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Brad Fayette Subject: Mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=74264799 X-Yahoo-Profile: bradfayette Status: RO Content-Length: 937 Lines: 28 I should have figured that out about the power. I guess there is some work left to do :-) I am running it on a Toshiba T4700CS laptop, 50mhz 486, Win 95. Runs fine in a dos window. I am seeing comments when I disassemble. I assume the code is coming out of the mailstation, and the comments out of a file. I guess this is something to be aware of in case you change something. Do you have any advice on how not to trash the mailstation when writing/loading/running applications? Does the mailstion 250 have a Z80? I have a 350, but it has some toshiba 16 bit processor, so I'm getting rid of it. The interesting thing is that for wireless devices, the FCC has tons of stuff online, like schematics. All you need is the FCC Id. Maybe some of it for the 250 would apply to other devices as well. CJ, where are you located? I'm in North Carolina, USA. -- Regards, Brad Fayette "The geeks shall inherit the Earth." From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 58426 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2005 21:06:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Mar 2005 21:06:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail28.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.30) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2005 21:06:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 30899 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2005 21:06:14 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail28.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 19 Mar 2005 21:06:14 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:07:29 -0800 Message-Id: <1111266449.15697.3.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Debugger X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 508 Lines: 16 On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 08:13 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > > Oh, if something goes wrong, you could toast your > mailstation. I now have 4 units with unbootable rom code. > http://www.emulation.com/catalog/off-the-shelf_solutions/debugging_accessories/test_clips/tsop_test_clips/ I'm not sure how well such a clip would work, given the low profile of a TSOP flash part, but if it does work wouldn't that mean one could reprogram a toasted mailstation flash chip without desoldering the part? -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50826 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2005 05:50:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2005 05:50:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2005 05:50:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2005 05:50:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2005 05:50:32 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 05:50:30 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <423C39AB.6030203@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 6241 Lines: 183 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, Brad Fayette wrote: > I should have figured that out about the power. I guess > there is some work left to do :-) It won't be hard to get it to shut off, I just haven't tried. Actually, I don't think it ever really shuts itself off in "normal" use, I think it just "goes to sleep". Try "G 1AC0" That will execute what I believe the ms does when it "turns off". My screen went blank when I tried it! I thought I would have to power cycle or reset to get it back, but the power button wakes it up!!! I actually leave mine on most of the time, running with the wall-wart. (And that has been how I killed 3 of the 4.) If you are using batteries, I guess you need to take them out to get it completely off. > I am running it on a Toshiba T4700CS laptop, > 50mhz 486, Win 95. Runs fine in a dos window. That's cool. I hadn't even thought about that end of the spectrum. :-) How much ram is in it? The debugger allocates over 3 meg of buffers, and it probably should run with a disk cache (win 95 provides one, right???) because the comment files are not buffered inside of the program (and it reads them from the beggining every time screen scrolls.) > I am seeing comments when I disassemble. I assume > the code is coming out of the mailstation, and the > comments out of a file. I guess this is > something to be aware of in case you change something. Right. If you installed the v2.53 files, and converted to .rom files, then you can use the "ram" target, and browse the disassembly/comments, and the code will be read from pc ram, and it is noticeably faster. I started to add the concept of "projects" so you could have different versions use different comment files, but that is not done yet. I'm just distributing the comment files, without the disassembly, because I don't want to worry about any copyright issues. If you use command ^h it will render the disassembly and comments to a hyperlinked .html files. I don't know how long it will take at 50 MHz to do pages 00 thru 3f, but you can tell it to do just page 00. (I recommend using ram target for this. But it should work from mbug, just slower.) > Do you have any advice on how not to trash the > mailstation when writing/loading/running applications? The first one I trashed was due to me asking the debugger to erase a page that held part of the then-current bootup code. The only way to avoid that is to be careful. :-) :-) The second and third were due to changes I made to keep the mailstation from getting locked up when rebooting the PC. Previously it had been thru countless reboots, with the only ill effect being that it was unresponsive to commands, and required a hard reset. I was getting tired of having to poke a pencil in the reset hole. I figured what was happening was that either windows or the PC firmware was "printing" some garbage to the parallel port during boot up (you know how a printer will sometimes print garbage when a PC is booting.) So, I added some error detection, making the remote code restart whenever it got a command that didn't make sense. All I can figure is that what happened is that I gave the gibberish a fresh shot from the start everytime it sent nonsense, making it much more likely to hit on the command "erase page 00" eventually. The first time it happened I really didn't know what had happened. I grabbed a new mailstation, and installed the very same version of mboot. Within a week that one was toast, too. I figured it must have something to do with the most recent changes. So I decided I should fix it before wrecking another mailsation. In the meantime, I was fiddling with a stock mailstation (without my code) trying to read the serial number thru the laplink (that works!). But I left the thing connected (and powered) when I was done. Several days went by, with several pc reboots, and then one day I noticed that this *stock* mailstation had apparently gotten erased. Live and learn. I now *unplug* the laplink when I quit the debugger (It now displays a reminder when quitting!) I actually thought I had fixed it so this couldn't happen, but as I look at the code now, it appears that the reminder is how I fixed it. If only I had the time to do everything I want to... But I havent had any problem since December. The next version should have a better safeguard. There really is no way to prevent a haywire program from finding the reflash code, other than removing it completely. I mean, even if you thought you had a secure lockout, what if the program running amok jumps in right after the lock? But I don't think we really need to worry about that. Just unplug the laplink when you are done, for now! And brown mailstations are real cheap on ebay. :-) > Does the mailstion 250 have a Z80? Yes. It's essentially the same as the brown/white/100's. Except for the modem, and the radio circuitry. And keyboard. And callerid chip. But the cpu/ram/codeflash/dataflash are the same. > I have a 350, but it has some > toshiba 16 bit processor, so I'm getting rid of it. I'll bet you can get over $100 for it on ebay. I've seen several sell in the $130 range. The 350 appears to use some other protocol (if any) for it's update function. > The interesting > thing is that for wireless devices, the FCC has > tons of stuff online, like schematics. All you > need is the FCC Id. Maybe some of it for the > 250 would apply to other devices as well. Yes! Where is the search page? I saw the link on linux hacker for the 350 data. But I can't find a search page that will return that page. Is there any reason we shouldn't look at this, like with the patent info? We already have most of the port/pinout/address info courtesy of rogblake, and one friendly panther (who I understand almost went blind tracing the circuit). > CJ, where are you located? I'm in North Carolina, USA. I'm in the Detroi..... Uh, I mean I'm in my ship, hovering 500 miles over the Detroit area, safely out of reach of any Earth regulations such as DMCA (or even YMCA!) Don't let my ip address fool you, I'm attached to some earthlings open wi-fi link. Yeah, that's it. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36534 invoked from network); 20 Mar 2005 07:12:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Mar 2005 07:12:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Mar 2005 07:12:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2005 07:12:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.99] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Mar 2005 07:12:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 07:11:37 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1111266449.15697.3.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Debugger X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 2557 Lines: 76 > > Oh, if something goes wrong, you could toast your > > mailstation. I now have 4 units with unbootable rom code. > > http://www.emulation.com/catalog/off-the-shelf_solutions/debugging_acc essories/test_clips/tsop_test_clips/ > > I'm not sure how well such a clip would work, given the > low profile of a TSOP flash part, but if it does work wouldn't > that mean one could reprogram a toasted mailstation flash chip > without desoldering the part? OUCH! Did you see the price on those? You could buy 20 or 30 mailstations for that price! :-) I am sure you can rescue a misflashed mailstation without removing the chip. It's just not gonna be real easy. I was thinking that the ram chip would be the easiest place to get at the bus, like in Don Hamilton's pic in the groups photo section. Just solder wires to it! I don't know about just driving the bus and flashing, but what I was thinking was to connect the data bus to the data pins on a pc parallel port, and maybe the /rd or /ce, or an address line or two, to the status pins. You would need to cut the /ce to the flash, and pull the flash side of it high, and monitor the other side of it. Then, with a fast pc, emulate the codeflash. Send code for the cpu to execute, and have it load whatever you want into ram, then jump to it. After your arbitrary code was running from ram, disconnect the pc from the bus, and reconnect the /ce to the codeflash chip. Then the code in ram can flash whatever it needs to into the codeflash. This technique would give you access to any device, not just a trashed mailstation. You could even use it to access/download the rom before erasing any of the unknown ms firmware versions. Maybe there is some socket with the right pitch to mate with that ram chip? It wouldn't need to snap on, you could just hold it on for the instant it would take to load the ram. A through-hole type rather than surface mount might work even better (use the solder side pins to contact the ram, and solder your wires to the component side). (It might be easier to just piggyback a similar packaged preprogrammed rom on to the ram, with its /cs connected to the codeflash /cs, but I don't have such a chip, or a programmer for it.) Anybody able to identify the type of package for the ram chip? I am by no means an expert on surface mount packages. Is it a SOP? SSOP?? TSOP-II??? Whats the difference between all those anyhow??? The fact that different manufacturers seem to use different names for the same packages doesn't help. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... 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Subject: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 334 Lines: 14 I got source for mailbug some time back, and I've built it for Linux. No luck burning mbug into the flash though. Do I have to put the MS into a special mode before running the flash burn software? Fn-Shift-T gets me to a diagnostics menu, but there is no entry there regarding flash programming (just various tests). -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... 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Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Debugger X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 586 Lines: 19 On Sun, 2005-03-20 at 07:11 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > OUCH! Did you see the price on those? You could > buy 20 or 30 mailstations for that price! :-) Well with shipping on each one I think it would be more like 10 or 15, but yeah. It ain't free. But then such a solution would work in all cases, no matter how hose the MS, and whether or not the built-in flash routine is accessible. Only one of us would have to own one, and could reprogram MS's for others. I heard about this particular test clip from someone that reprograms firmware on certain tv receivers. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38814 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2005 03:13:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2005 03:13:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2005 03:13:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2005 03:13:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2005 03:13:15 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 03:13:00 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1111449091.15697.73.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1024 Lines: 38 > I got source for mailbug some time back, and I've built it for Linux. Great! How did you handle the port permission issue??? > No luck burning mbug into the flash though. > > Do I have to put the MS into a special mode before > running the flash burn software? No, just turn it on. As far as I can tell, the ms can be on any screen when you kick it into the update mode. You do not need to touch the mailstation (other than to turn it on, and connect the laplink). The PC will make the ms enter/leave update mode via the laplink. The only commands you need to type are on the PC keyboard. When the update is done, the ms reboots to the main menu, unless you erased the ms code. Make sure you can read out the serial number before you try to flash. That will tell you if you are sending and receiving ok. Each time you read sn, it will enter update mode, display sn on pc screen, and then the ms reboots when the update mode exits. Maybe there exists a need for some documentation??? ;^) -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16986 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2005 03:22:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2005 03:22:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2005 03:22:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2005 03:22:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2005 03:22:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 03:22:03 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1111449574.15697.77.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Debugger X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1020 Lines: 40 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > On Sun, 2005-03-20 at 07:11 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > > > OUCH! Did you see the price on those? You could > > buy 20 or 30 mailstations for that price! :-) > > Well with shipping on each one I think it would be more like 10 or 15, > but yeah. It ain't free. I got a bunch for betwwen $0.01 & $1.00, plus s/h. I figure the average price I paid might be about $8.00 after shipping. I got a box of 10 150's, shipped for $50.00 total. :-) But the price seems to have gone UP on ebay this week. > But then such a solution would work in all cases, no matter how hose the > MS, and whether or not the built-in flash routine is accessible. Only > one of us would have to own one, and could reprogram MS's for others. I can't afford it. Maybe I'll send mine to you? ;^) > I heard about this particular test clip from someone that reprograms > firmware on certain tv receivers. TVs??? Or Tivos??? -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12108 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2005 05:53:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2005 05:53:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail26.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.28) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2005 05:53:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 17262 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2005 05:53:25 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail26.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 22 Mar 2005 05:53:25 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:53:44 -0800 Message-Id: <1111470824.15697.100.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Debugger X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 214 Lines: 11 On Tue, 2005-03-22 at 03:22 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > TVs??? Or Tivos??? > Satellite tv receivers. Every once in a while they change some codes, and the modders have to reprogram their firmware. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15656 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2005 05:58:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2005 05:58:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.26) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2005 05:58:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 5690 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2005 05:58:04 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 22 Mar 2005 05:58:04 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:58:23 -0800 Message-Id: <1111471103.15697.105.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 1525 Lines: 55 On Tue, 2005-03-22 at 03:13 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > > > I got source for mailbug some time back, and I've built it for > Linux. > > Great! How did you handle the port permission issue??? > uses oldlinux; iopl(3); ioperm (888,2,1); > > No luck burning mbug into the flash though. > > > > Do I have to put the MS into a special mode before > > running the flash burn software? > > No, just turn it on. As far as I can tell, the ms can > be on any screen when you kick it into the update mode. > You do not need to touch the mailstation (other than > to turn it on, and connect the laplink). > > The PC will make the ms enter/leave update mode > via the laplink. The only commands you need to > type are on the PC keyboard. > > When the update is done, the ms reboots to the > main menu, unless you erased the ms code. > > Make sure you can read out the serial number > before you try to flash. That will tell you if > you are sending and receiving ok. Each time > you read sn, it will enter update mode, display > sn on pc screen, and then the ms reboots when > the update mode exits. > Crap... I was afraid of that... that means one of the following: 1) laplink cable problem (I bought a manufactured cable) or 2) Timing issue or 3) The bytes aren't really making it out the port or 4) There's something broken about my serial port > Maybe there exists a need for some documentation??? ;^) > Uh, well that would help. Also if you have any debugging ideas, that would be cool. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95181 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2005 07:00:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2005 07:00:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2005 07:00:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2005 06:59:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2005 06:59:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:59:28 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1111471103.15697.105.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 2098 Lines: 73 > uses oldlinux; > > iopl(3); > ioperm (888,2,1); > > > > No luck burning mbug into the flash though. I don't think you need the iopl(3), just the ioperm(888,2,1). 888 is the decimal address of lpt1, the 2 means 2 consecutive ports, and I believe 888 & 889 are all I used. And the one means "grant access", right??? And I think you have to be root to do the ioperm. Are you USEing the plain "linux" unit (I think that is the name)??? None of the examples I see mention the "oldlinux", and I think ioperm is in "linux". Maybe it just a newer version than in "oldlinux". What's the scoop on why oldlinux is necessary??? As far as I can tell, after the ioperm, you can use the ports unit, and that's what unit_tribbles uses for port access. Do you know for sure what the port address is for your parallel port???? 888 is the most common, but there are others. I think we have another candidate for the config file!!!! > > > > > > Do I have to put the MS into a special mode before > > > running the flash burn software? > > > > No, just turn it on. [snip] > Crap... I was afraid of that... that means one of the following: > > 1) laplink cable problem (I bought a manufactured cable) or > 2) Timing issue or > 3) The bytes aren't really making it out the port or > 4) There's something broken about my serial port Can you test the port with some other software? (And a printer). Are you sure it is Parallel Laplink and not serial??? They make both! What do you get on your screen??? Any timeout errors? You could try making a simple test program that toggles the dataport pins, and check with logic probe (or LED port tester thingy), and see if that works (eliminates cable and mailstation from the equation). But the first thing I would try is skipping oldlinux & the iopl(3). > > Maybe there exists a need for some documentation??? ;^) > > Uh, well that would help. Also if you have any debugging ideas, that > would be cool. I think we are figuring out the docs as we go!!! We can compile the questions, or at least answers into some kind of manual. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71036 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2005 07:32:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2005 07:32:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2005 07:32:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2005 07:32:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.99] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Mar 2005 07:32:34 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:32:10 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 971 Lines: 47 OK. I see what the oldlinux is about. They did away with the linux unit. And replaced it with a handful of other units. I found the new ioperm in unit "X86". But apparently "oldlinux" *IS* the "linux" unit, renamed. And it should work. But I found this in the oldlinux manual: -------------------------------------------- IoPL Set I/O privilege level Declaration Source position: linuxold.inc line 1558 function IoPL( Level: LongInt ):Boolean; Description IoPL sets the I/O privilige level. It is intended for completeness only, one should normally not use it. --------------------------------------------- How do you call ioperm??? Does it return error??? It should return "true" if it worked, and "false" if it failed. Do you check it??? writeln('gonna ask for ioperm...'); if not (ioperm(888, 3, 1)) then begin writeln('didn''t get it. damn. gonna halt now.'); Halt(1); end; writeln('Hot dang! We got it!!!'); delay(1000); -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49523 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2005 07:56:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Mar 2005 07:56:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.29) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2005 07:56:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 20079 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2005 07:56:06 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 22 Mar 2005 07:56:06 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 23:56:26 -0800 Message-Id: <1111478186.15697.157.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 1379 Lines: 51 On Tue, 2005-03-22 at 07:32 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > > OK. I see what the oldlinux is about. They did away > with the linux unit. And replaced it with a handful of > other units. I found the new ioperm in unit "X86". > > But apparently "oldlinux" *IS* the "linux" unit, renamed. > And it should work. But I found this in the oldlinux > manual: > -------------------------------------------- > IoPL > Set I/O privilege level > Declaration > Source position: linuxold.inc line 1558 > function IoPL( > Level: LongInt > ):Boolean; > > Description > IoPL sets the I/O privilige level. It is intended for completeness > only, one should normally not use it. > --------------------------------------------- > > How do you call ioperm??? Does it return error??? > It should return "true" if it worked, and "false" > if it failed. Do you check it??? > > It didn't work until I put the iopl in. I didn't think I needed it either, but I was getting access violations until I put it in. > writeln('gonna ask for ioperm...'); > > if not (ioperm(888, 3, 1)) then > begin > writeln('didn''t get it. damn. gonna halt now.'); > Halt(1); > end; > > writeln('Hot dang! We got it!!!'); > delay(1000); > Yeah I was ignoring the return code. Your way is better in case someone decides to run it and they aren't root you can give them an error message. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82130 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2005 07:53:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2005 07:53:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2005 07:53:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2005 07:53:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.99] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2005 07:53:36 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 07:53:28 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1111471103.15697.105.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1072 Lines: 44 Any luck yet? > 4) There's something broken about my serial port You meant parallel, right??? :-) It just occured to me that the port tester I used was for rs232. All 25 pins go straight thru, and the 9 lines used by rs232 have leds. 7 of the 10 laplink signals fall on a line with led, and the 5 laplink-out bits are on the first 5 leds. I eventually modified it so all 10 laplink signals were monitored with a led, but it was extremely useful even before mod. The PC will use pins 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 to talk *to* the mailstation. 2, 3, 4 are the 3 bit tribble, 5 is busy, and 6 is strobe to mailstation. pin 5 ("busy") will go high when the pc is talking to mailstation. The mailstation talks back to PC using pins 15, 13, 12, 10, 11. 10 is ms busy, 11 is strobe to PC. Both sides raise busy when they want to talk, and both sides also raise busy briefly to acknowledge they have been strobed. You mentioned you had a rs232 tester, right? It will tell you if your bits are getting out of the box, as long as it has leds for pins 5 & 6. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71084 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2005 10:25:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2005 10:25:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.26) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2005 10:25:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 9083 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2005 10:25:25 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 24 Mar 2005 10:25:24 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 02:26:09 -0800 Message-Id: <1111659969.3744.64.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 591 Lines: 44 On Thu, 2005-03-24 at 07:53 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > > Any luck yet? Nope. I did buzz out my laplink cable; does this look correct/sufficient?: 1-1 2-15 3-13 4-12 5-10 6-11 8-NC 9-NC 10-5 11-6 12-5 13-3 14-14 15-NC 16-16 17-17 18-NC 19-NC 20-NC 21-NC 22-NC 24-NC 24-NC 25-25 My serial mini-tester when hooked in doesn't show any activity. but it is only wired to show CD, DSR, RTS, TD, DTR, CTS, RD I tried just probing with a multi-meter... what should I should I hold the ground (black) probe to? I've just been touching it against the outer part of the connector. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17706 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2005 20:54:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Mar 2005 20:54:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2005 20:54:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2005 20:54:24 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2005 20:54:24 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:54:21 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1111659969.3744.64.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 2470 Lines: 97 OOPS! I was wrong when I said it worked unmodified. Your question about ground made me wonder what my tester was using for it's ground reference, since rs232 ground is pin 7, and pin 7 is not ground on the parport. I forgot about another little change I had made, before it worked at all. The common of the resistor pak in my rs232 tester was originally tied to pin 7 of the db25 (rs232 signal ground). I cut the trace between that common resistor pin and db25 pin 7 (it is connected to pin 7 of both db25's, so if you do this, make sure you cut it loose from both). Then I added a piece of kynar from that common resistor pin to one of the db 25 pins that is ground on the parallel port (I used pin 24, but pins 18 thru 25 are all ground on the PC parport.) > I did buzz out my laplink cable; does this look correct/sufficient?: I made some annotations on your pinout, below. Recheck those two, maybe its OK. My cable does not have the * connections, but several pinouts found on the 'net do. I thought it odd that the pin 1's would be connected straight thru, since pin 1 is an output on both sides. It turns out that those 4 pins are the control port (outputs). I understand that they are open collector, so tying together is ok, and you can read as an input as long as you set the coresponding out bit high. (Mailstation doesn't use them) > 1-1 * > 2-15 > 3-13 > 4-12 > 5-10 > 6-11 > 8-NC > 9-NC > 10-5 > 11-6 > 12-5 should be 12-4 > 13-3 > 14-14 * > 15-NC should be 15-2 > 16-16 * > 17-17 * > 18-NC > 19-NC > 20-NC > 21-NC > 22-NC > 24-NC > 24-NC > 25-25 > My serial mini-tester when hooked in doesn't show any activity. > but it > is only wired to show CD, DSR, RTS, TD, DTR, CTS, RD Here is how the laplink maps to a serial tester (need to make the ground mod to tester). At the PC end, the outputs to mailstation are: data 0 = pin 2 = TD data 1 = pin 3 = RD data 2 = pin 4 = RTS busy = pin 5 = CTS strobe = pin 6 = DSR The inputs do not fall on either of the other two LEDs. pin 8 = CD pin 20 = DTR > I tried just probing with a multi-meter... what should I > should I hold the ground (black) probe to? I've just been > touching it against the outer part of the connector. I don't know if the shell of the connector is connected to the signal ground??? Likely is, but I am not sure. Pins 18 thru 25 are all signal ground though, so I would put black on one of them. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52859 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2005 09:35:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2005 09:35:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.25) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2005 09:35:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 15115 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2005 09:35:53 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 25 Mar 2005 09:35:53 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 01:36:49 -0800 Message-Id: <1111743409.3744.153.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 832 Lines: 34 Well I've made a temporary retreat. Dealing with Linux and an unmodified mailstation is adding to many variables at once. I rebuilt my laptop with win98 and am using your current released binary from albatross.zip. So I run mailbug, enter u, then S I get "Mailstation did not ACK the dataflash command" So I was very brave and typed ^f This does something! "The software update process is ready to start, please wait" appears on the mailstation screen, then immediately afterward it changes to "Please check that the mailstation cable is properly connected and try again." On the laptop DOS box I see Here we go.... No codeflash command ACK, moderesult: 79 Can't enter codeflash mode. The firmware revision on this unit is V3.03a. Nothing got hosed by the failed update attempt. The unit still works fine. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80850 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2005 12:19:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2005 12:19:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2005 12:19:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2005 12:19:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.82] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2005 12:19:22 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:18:53 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1111743409.3744.153.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 2852 Lines: 87 > I rebuilt my laptop with win98 and am using your current released binary > from albatross.zip. Is this the same machine you were trying the Linux version on? > So I run mailbug, enter u, then S > > I get "Mailstation did not ACK the dataflash command" If you type Ctrl-t (toggles debug mode) you will get more verbose info from most commands. Here you would get the value of whatever the pc receives as acknowledge to the "enter dataflash mode" command. The two values the ms might send are either #06 (ascii ACK), or #15 (ascii NAK). > So I was very brave and typed > > ^f > > This does something! > > "The software update process is ready to start, please wait" > > appears on the mailstation screen, then immediately afterward it changes > to "Please check that the mailstation cable is properly connected and > try again." > > On the laptop DOS box I see > > Here we go.... > No codeflash command ACK, moderesult: 79 > Can't enter codeflash mode. For codeflash mode, it displays the byte it receives in response to the command without "debug on", but it is in decimal here. Just one of many rough edges left to be smoothed. 79 = #4F = x01 001 111 is what you got, when we are expecting either ACK = #06 = x00 000 110 or NAK = #15 = x00 010 101 where the x represents the unused bit of the third tribble. (bytes are sent as three groups of three bits.) Maybe it is a problem with the settling time on the port bits??? Your cpu could be fast enough to read the port before they have had time to stabilize???? OR! It could be that your low order bit of the three data bits is pegged high????? ACK is x00 000 110 and if you set the lowest bit of each tribble high you get x01 001 111 = #4F = 79 dec. This will be easy enough to check. Maybe I should add a loopback test??? Then you could make up a plug to feed the outs back into the ins on the parallel port. That way we can be sure we're talking to the port, without the mailstation (or cable) in the loop. I would not try to flash anything until I could read the serial number out reliably. The SN command requires sending 12 bytes in (with checksum) and receiving 18 bytes back. With no danger if it fails. Erasing the codeflash takes just two bytes in. > The firmware revision on this unit is V3.03a. Nothing got hosed by the > failed update attempt. The unit still works fine. Also, until we see the code in 3.03a, we don't know if we are putting mboot in a location where it will be called for sure. I had an idea to create an image that fills every high page with nops, and a jump to mboot at the end. That way, wherever it jumps/calls will run mboot. HEY!!! I just looked up the pin for your stuck bit, and it is 15, and that is one of the two that were wrong in your cable pinout. Maybe your cable *is* bad!!! -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20987 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2005 20:01:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2005 20:01:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.25) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2005 20:01:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 7287 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2005 20:01:01 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 25 Mar 2005 20:01:00 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:02:02 -0800 Message-Id: <1111780922.3744.168.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 3073 Lines: 97 WIth Ctrl-T, and S (serial number) request I get Entering Dataflash mode... dataflash mode ack: 4F Mailstation did not ACK the dataflash command With ^f I get: Here we go........ codeflash mode ack: 4F No codeflash command ACK, moderesult: 79 Can't enter codeflash mode. Interestingly, if the mailstation is in this state "please check that the parallel cable..." And I do ^f again, I get Here we go........ codeflash mode ack: 5D No codeflash command ACK, moderesult: 93 Can't enter codeflash mode. On Fri, 2005-03-25 at 12:18 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > > > I rebuilt my laptop with win98 and am using your current released > binary > > from albatross.zip. > > Is this the same machine you were trying the Linux version on? > No. This is my athlon 1.3Ghz (I think) laptop. > For codeflash mode, it displays the byte it receives in response > to the command without "debug on", but it is in decimal here. > Just one of many rough edges left to be smoothed. > > 79 = #4F = x01 001 111 is what you got, > when we are expecting either > ACK = #06 = x00 000 110 or > NAK = #15 = x00 010 101 > where the x represents the unused bit of the third tribble. > (bytes are sent as three groups of three bits.) > > Maybe it is a problem with the settling time on the port bits??? > Your cpu could be fast enough to read the port before they > have had time to stabilize???? OR! It could be that your > low order bit of the three data bits is pegged high????? > > ACK is x00 000 110 and if you set the lowest bit of each > tribble high you get x01 001 111 = #4F = 79 dec. > > This will be easy enough to check. Maybe I should add a > loopback test??? Then you could make up a plug to feed > the outs back into the ins on the parallel port. > > That way we can be sure we're talking to the port, without > the mailstation (or cable) in the loop. > > I would not try to flash anything until I could read the > serial number out reliably. The SN command requires > sending 12 bytes in (with checksum) and receiving > 18 bytes back. With no danger if it fails. > > Erasing the codeflash takes just two bytes in. > > > The firmware revision on this unit is V3.03a. Nothing got hosed by > the > > failed update attempt. The unit still works fine. > > Also, until we see the code in 3.03a, we don't know if > we are putting mboot in a location where it will be called > for sure. I had an idea to create an image that fills > every high page with nops, and a jump to mboot at the > end. That way, wherever it jumps/calls will run mboot. > > HEY!!! I just looked up the pin for your stuck bit, and it > is 15, and that is one of the two that were wrong in > your cable pinout. Maybe your cable *is* bad!!! > Crap, I think you're right... one way it's 15-2, the other way it's 15-NC. Of course that would mean that behavior should be different connected the other way. Have to try that... Anyway I guess I'll build a damn cable. That's what I get for buying this 4 months ago and not doing anything with it... -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27154 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2005 21:56:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2005 21:56:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.25) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2005 21:56:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 3759 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2005 21:56:20 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 25 Mar 2005 21:56:19 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 13:57:21 -0800 Message-Id: <1111787841.3744.176.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 940 Lines: 26 OK, better now. With Win98, I can now get the serial # from the unit. I bought a new laplink cable from Fry's, and this one doesn't have a dead 15-2 connection so it works :-) As to Linux, I haven't tried it yet, but I have some theories: one, I don't know why I didn't think of this, but maybe the print server (lpd) is holding onto the port in some way. Which would cause some kind of problem. The deal is that I am able to share the printer port with my Rio PMP300 player, so I guess I didn't think about possible consequences of reusing the port. Alternatively, maybe I am writing to the port, but perhaps it is in some non standard mode, like epp mode? Does unit_tribble set the mode of the port? Now, I haven't tried the reflash command. 3.03a... not as brave now that I know I'm actually communicating... do you think I should just give it a shot, or do you have some ideas for an image that is more likely to work? -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29718 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2005 00:26:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2005 00:26:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.26) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2005 00:26:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 18251 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2005 00:26:53 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 26 Mar 2005 00:26:52 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1111787841.3744.176.camel@aragorn> References: <1111787841.3744.176.camel@aragorn> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:27:56 -0800 Message-Id: <1111796876.3744.180.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 555 Lines: 19 On Fri, 2005-03-25 at 13:57 -0800, John R. Hogerhuis wrote: > Now, I haven't tried the reflash command. 3.03a... not as brave now > that > I know I'm actually communicating... do you think I should just give > it > a shot, or do you have some ideas for an image that is more likely to > work? Never mind; I just went for it, and mailbug seems to be running now quite happily. Now what can I put on it... have as anyone tried compiling any programs for it? I was thinking about compiling some C code with sdcc and trying to run it on there. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3666 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2005 03:45:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2005 03:45:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2005 03:45:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2005 03:45:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.76] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Mar 2005 03:45:01 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 03:44:58 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1111796876.3744.180.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1391 Lines: 48 > Never mind; I just went for it, and mailbug seems to be running now > quite happily. Great!!! :-) :-) :-) > Now what can I put on it... have as anyone tried compiling any programs > for it? I was thinking about compiling some C code with sdcc and trying > to run it on there. So far, I have only used assembler, and not much more than the "hello world" (hello.asm & hello.hex) W hello.hex L 4000 G 4000 The source (and an assembler) is in the mbug directory. The mbug/mboot source is there, too. I think I even zipped up the .bat file to build them. The bat files need the dir set, I do that by just making "shortcuts" to the bat files (set properties to "close on exit"). If you put the .hex or .rom files in the 253yr dir, you can load them without typing a path. The bat files output the .hex or .rom's to 253yr, and .lst to mbug dir. I have started on a "next version" of mboot, but I am finding a few bugs in mailbug. Load didn't work right always. If you try to load a .rom over 256 bytes, it puts the bytes past 256 into the next page!!! I got that fixed in mine. I also discovered that the write to flash (Z) is broke. I am still trying to get to the bottom of it. There has been a lot of change in the code since the last time I used Z command, so I am not sure how I broke it. I'd really like to fix that too, and then post a new mailbug. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14130 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2005 04:52:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Mar 2005 04:52:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.25) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2005 04:52:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 7213 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2005 04:52:14 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 26 Mar 2005 04:52:13 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 20:53:19 -0800 Message-Id: <1111812800.3744.200.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 1432 Lines: 40 On Sat, 2005-03-26 at 03:44 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > > > Never mind; I just went for it, and mailbug seems to be running now > > quite happily. > > Great!!! :-) :-) :-) > Thanks for your help debugging my setup :-) > I have started on a "next version" of mboot, but I am > finding a few bugs in mailbug. Load didn't work right > always. If you try to load a .rom over 256 bytes, it > puts the bytes past 256 into the next page!!! I got that > fixed in mine. I also discovered that the write to flash > (Z) is broke. I am still trying to get to the bottom of it. > > There has been a lot of change in the code since the last > time I used Z command, so I am not sure how I broke it. > I'd really like to fix that too, and then post a new > mailbug. > It looks like you've put together an excellent programmer's tool! I look forward to whatever improvements you can provide. For now though at least we all have a way to load code! I will let you know if I get the linux version working, maybe we can get some more people hacking on the MS if we get a stable set of tools for target development under Linux. From my end, I'd also like to get a "device" target (basically a C standard library) developed under sdcc. Sdcc can already generate Z80 code, but there of course is no MS target yet. Maybe in a few months we'll be able to completely replace the MS hardware access routines with our own. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 92620 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2005 01:08:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Mar 2005 01:08:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2005 01:08:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2005 01:08:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2005 01:08:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 01:08:18 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1111812800.3744.200.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 3101 Lines: 94 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: [...] > > > Never mind; I just went for it, and mailbug seems to > > > be running now quite happily. > > > > Great!!! :-) :-) :-) > > Thanks for your help debugging my setup :-) You're welcome! Glad I could help!!! :-) [....] > > I also discovered that the write to flash > > (Z) is broke. I am still trying to get to the bottom of it. > > > > There has been a lot of change in the code since the last > > time I used Z command, so I am not sure how I broke it. [....] I have it figured out now.... Apparently you can't use code in one part of the flash to write to another part. I thought as long as it was in a different sector it would be ok. In retrospect, it seems kinda dumb to even try it. I think the flash chip may be busy running it's internal programming algorithm, and all you are supposed to do is try to read back the byte you are attempting to flash. You probably cannot access any other location till it's done! In the earliest versions, I just copied the rom to ram, like the ms does, and then I called the sector write from mbug. While experimenting with writing text to the LCD, I had mbug map the update code directly into Slot8000 (the only fonts left after reflash are in that update code). The LCD routines worked fine that way, running directly from the rom. (I have a halfway-decent scrolling text screen, now!) It only seemed natural to just use the sector write the same way... I was lazy, and didn't want to rewrite what seemed good enough. I think the right way to do it now is just add the actual flash code into mbug. > It looks like you've put together an excellent programmer's tool! I look > forward to whatever improvements you can provide. For now though at > least we all have a way to load code! :-) I may have something better in a few days, but for now, if anyone is tying to use it, as far a I can tell the hex file load is working ok in the old version (what number did I post, 0.0.1 or 0.0.2 ????). You can assemble a file (orged #4000) to a .hex file, load it at #4000, (L 4000) and then execute it with the go command (G 4000). > I will let you know if I get the linux version working, I have a hunch you were closer than you realized!!! ;^) > maybe we can get > some more people hacking on the MS if we get a stable set of tools for > target development under Linux. From my end, I'd also like to get a > "device" target (basically a C standard library) developed under sdcc. > Sdcc can already generate Z80 code, but there of course is no MS target > yet. [.....] I am looking forward to seeing what other people might be able to get going. As far as the C standard library, I think that is what most of the low level mailstation code is. I have done some experiments where I have made calls to several of the low level routines. I've been imagining making an include-file for the assembler, with the EQU's for the usefull addresses. Is this the kind of thing you would use a c "header file" for??? -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: greg.richards@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90604 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2005 00:20:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2005 00:20:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2005 00:20:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2005 00:20:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2005 00:20:07 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 00:19:27 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Greg" Subject: Newbie...attempting ISP change on DET-1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=140761825 X-Yahoo-Profile: therichards4 Status: RO Content-Length: 849 Lines: 40 Is it possible to both change to a different ISP, and ALSO to retain the Yahoo! service, which was set up through Earthlink? I am guessing I should follow the instructions from a prior post...(below)...can anyone confirm if this is the right sequence for the DET-1? The below instructions were for an "original black model" If I dump the system data, how do I set up the Yahoo! service? Thanks, sorry for the dumb questions, I'm not much of a techie. --Greg FN+SHIFT+T+POWER OPTION 3 Menu Option 6 Back Key Q to quit Reset System data Clear All Data Set Up New User user name password dialup numbers primary dns: 12.155.212.1 email address:***@... email password:***** incoming mail server: mail.access-4-free.com outgoing server: smtp.access-4-free.com ISP Login: user name (your username NOT email address!) ISP Password: ****** save From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28429 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2005 01:05:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Mar 2005 01:05:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.223) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2005 01:05:09 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.4.224]) by priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050330010508.ZFIP6783.priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 18:05:08 -0700 Message-ID: <025a01c534c3$b4f2b840$e00474ce@...> To: References: Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:51:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Newbie...attempting ISP change on DET-1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 642 Lines: 24 Set up a second user for the second service. AFAIK, the Yahoo! service is long gone. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg" > Is it possible to both change to a different ISP, and ALSO to retain > the Yahoo! service, which was set up through Earthlink? > > I am guessing I should follow the instructions from a prior > post...(below)...can anyone confirm if this is the right sequence for > the DET-1? The below instructions were for an "original black model" > > If I dump the system data, how do I set up the Yahoo! service? > > Thanks, sorry for the dumb questions, I'm not much of a techie. > > --Greg From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: greg.richards@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91120 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2005 03:55:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2005 03:55:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2005 03:55:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2005 03:55:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Mar 2005 03:55:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 03:54:46 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <025a01c534c3$b4f2b840$e00474ce@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Greg Richards" Subject: Re: Newbie...attempting ISP change on DET-1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=140761825 X-Yahoo-Profile: therichards4 Status: RO Content-Length: 869 Lines: 32 I tried...but the "new user" function is blocked, it says to call Customer Service to set up a new user. --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Morrison" wrote: > > Set up a second user for the second service. AFAIK, the Yahoo! service is > long gone. > > Neil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg" > > > Is it possible to both change to a different ISP, and ALSO to retain > > the Yahoo! service, which was set up through Earthlink? > > > > I am guessing I should follow the instructions from a prior > > post...(below)...can anyone confirm if this is the right sequence for > > the DET-1? The below instructions were for an "original black model" > > > > If I dump the system data, how do I set up the Yahoo! service? > > > > Thanks, sorry for the dumb questions, I'm not much of a techie. > > > > --Greg From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53775 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2005 05:34:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2005 05:34:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.240) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2005 05:34:22 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.4.224]) by priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050331053421.DRE27468.priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:34:21 -0700 Message-ID: <02d401c535b3$48662900$e00474ce@...> To: References: Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:27:55 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Newbie...attempting ISP change on DET-1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 2659 Lines: 80 You must have a newer unit then. I have a Yahoo one and I can set up any ISP and 5 users. Neil Here are some notes on some models:- FN+Shift+T or FN+Shift+Size are for MailStation 100 =================================================== If you press Function + d (on the MS 150, V4.04D) and press the hard reset button (with a paper clip) you'll get a slightly different menu dialog (the "Reset System Data" menu) after the memory scan? You have to keep holding Function + d after the reboot to see it. The menu shows an additional item: "Restore Default Account". =================================================== I figured out how to get into the setup menu on my Mailstation 350. Remove the batteries and use only the ac adapter to power the unit. Perform a reset to factory default settings by pressing and holding down the keys and power up. Select Yes when asked to restore to factory settings. During the message "Please wait while system resets" unplug the ac adapter. This corrupts the settings in memory so that the unit will now only bring up the setup menu. The setup menu asks for User Name, Dial Up Number, Reply to address, and E-mail address. There is also a Network settings button that appears in the menu. Unfortunatly it will not let you put in an e- mail address or allow you to go to the Network menu. I'm guessing there is some combination of keystrokes or some hidden way to allow access to those settings but I haven't been able to figure it out. =================================================== Good work Jeff. I could perform the reset with batteries as well. All I did was to to use a pin inserted on the little hole on the back to press the reset button during the message "Please wait while system resets". Then, press Fnct-D keys during the next power on. =================================================== A Mivo 250 uses Fcn-Shift-SIZE!!! Not T!!! =================================================== Great news! I was able to configure a Mailstation (black) original model to work with Access-4-Free, a free (10hrs month) ISP! FN+SHIFT+T+POWER OPTION 3 Menu Option 6 Back Key Q to quit Reset System data Clear All Data Set Up New User user name password dialup numbers primary dns: 12.155.212.1 email address:***@... email password:***** incoming mail server: mail.access-4-free.com outgoing server: smtp.access-4-free.com ISP Login: user name (your username NOT email address!) ISP Password: ****** save ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Richards" > I tried...but the "new user" function is blocked, it says to call > Customer Service to set up a new user. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60575 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2005 08:40:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Mar 2005 08:40:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.29) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2005 08:40:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 19962 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2005 08:40:08 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 31 Mar 2005 08:40:08 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:40:52 -0800 Message-Id: <1112258452.14612.84.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 2382 Lines: 69 On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 01:08 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > I have it figured out now.... Apparently you can't use code > in one part of the flash to write to another part. I thought > as long as it was in a different sector it would be ok. In > retrospect, it seems kinda dumb to even try it. I think > the flash chip may be busy running it's internal programming > algorithm, and all you are supposed to do is try to read back > the byte you are attempting to flash. You probably cannot > access any other location till it's done! > Interesting. I guess I never realized that about industrial flash chips... now that I think about it, the only time I've ever written to it was while running from RAM. So I'd say this behavior kind of stinks, but I don't doubt it to be the case. Certainly you would think that other sectors would be unaffected by a write to another sector, but I guess they aren't that sophisticated. > In the earliest versions, I just copied the rom to ram, > like the ms does, and then I called the sector write > from mbug. > > While experimenting with writing text to the LCD, I had > mbug map the update code directly into Slot8000 (the only > fonts left after reflash are in that update code). > The LCD routines worked fine that way, running directly > from the rom. (I have a halfway-decent scrolling text > screen, now!) > Cool! > It only seemed natural to just use the sector write the > same way... > > I was lazy, and didn't want to rewrite what seemed good > enough. I think the right way to do it now is just add > the actual flash code into mbug. > I agree. [...] > I am looking forward to seeing what other people might be able > to get going. As far as the C standard library, I think that is > what most of the low level mailstation code is. > Yes, I agree. But it will be nice to have a complete independent set of firmware, then we will know we have a foundation that can't be changed under us. > I have done some experiments where I have made calls to > several of the low level routines. I've been imagining making > an include-file for the assembler, with the EQU's for the > usefull addresses. Is this the kind of thing you would > use a c "header file" for??? > Yes, a header file and possibly a C wrapper library to go with it, depending on the calling conventions of the low level routines. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: greg.richards@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63828 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2005 04:09:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2005 04:09:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2005 04:08:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2005 04:08:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2005 04:08:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 04:08:28 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <02d401c535b3$48662900$e00474ce@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Greg Richards" Subject: Re: Newbie...ISP change worked, now trouble in paradise... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=140761825 X-Yahoo-Profile: therichards4 Status: RO Content-Length: 1415 Lines: 57 Hi Well, the instructions below worked fine (DET-1 is the "original" model, I guess!) Now I have a new problem. I am using the unit to access a POP3 account (deluxe version of Yahoo! mail) and so I entered in pop.mail.yahoo.com for the POP3 setting. And of course smtp.mail.yahoo.com for the outgoing server setting. Guess who can receive mail on his Mailstation, but not send it! The Yahoo help site says that "some Internet service providers will block port 25. If you experience technical problems sending email, then you will need to use port 587 when sending via Yahoo!'s SMTP server." Ug...I have no idea whether that's the real problem, and if it is, how to go about changing the port! Any one have ideas?? Thanks > =================================================== > FN+SHIFT+T+POWER > OPTION 3 > Menu Option 6 > Back Key > Q to quit > Reset System data > Clear All Data > Set Up New User > user name > password > dialup numbers > primary dns: 12.155.212.1 > email address:***@... > email password:***** > incoming mail server: mail.access-4-free.com > outgoing server: smtp.access-4-free.com > ISP Login: user name (your username NOT email address!) > ISP Password: ****** > save > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Richards" > > > I tried...but the "new user" function is blocked, it says to call > > Customer Service to set up a new user. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55273 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2005 04:44:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2005 04:44:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.29) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2005 04:44:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 9349 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2005 04:44:19 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 1 Apr 2005 04:44:18 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:44:19 -0800 Message-Id: <1112330659.6688.6.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Newbie...ISP change worked, now trouble in paradise... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 1388 Lines: 41 On Fri, 2005-04-01 at 04:08 +0000, Greg Richards wrote: > > Hi > > Well, the instructions below worked fine (DET-1 is the "original" > model, I guess!) > > Now I have a new problem. I am using the unit to access a POP3 > account (deluxe version of Yahoo! mail) and so I entered in > pop.mail.yahoo.com for the POP3 setting. And of course > smtp.mail.yahoo.com for the outgoing server setting. > > Guess who can receive mail on his Mailstation, but not send it! > > The Yahoo help site says that "some Internet service providers will > block port 25. If you experience technical problems sending email, > then you will need to use port 587 when sending via Yahoo!'s SMTP > server." > > Ug...I have no idea whether that's the real problem, and if it is, Maybe you could try configuring your desktop client to dial up and talk to Yahoo. If that doesn't work then the port is probably blocked, in which case you'll need to find a proxy server which will forward your SMTP packets. For a more direct test, you can usually use telnet (on desktop) to connect to arbitrary TCP ports, in this case 25. Try hittng enter, or HELO (or ELHO?) you should get a response from the server. If you are able to connect and get a response then your ISP is not blocking port 25. > how to go about changing the port! > Not sure how to change the port (if it's possible at all) -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79260 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2005 07:04:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2005 07:04:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.220) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2005 07:04:20 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.4.224]) by priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050401070316.GKDT6706.priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Fri, 1 Apr 2005 00:03:16 -0700 Message-ID: <005701c53688$cb37a180$e00474ce@...> To: References: Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:55:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Newbie...ISP change worked, now trouble in paradise... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 680 Lines: 22 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Richards" > Well, the instructions below worked fine (DET-1 is the "original" > model, I guess!) > > Now I have a new problem. I am using the unit to access a POP3 > account (deluxe version of Yahoo! mail) and so I entered in > pop.mail.yahoo.com for the POP3 setting. And of course > smtp.mail.yahoo.com for the outgoing server setting. > > Guess who can receive mail on his Mailstation, but not send it! Two possibilities - smtp.mail.yahoo.com isn't the outgoing system, OR the password is wrong. Neither SHOULD be possible, but strange things do happen. I was able to hook one of these up to my ISP OK. Neil From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98579 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2005 07:48:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Apr 2005 07:48:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2005 07:48:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2005 07:48:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Apr 2005 07:48:06 -0000 Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 07:48:04 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1112258452.14612.84.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1425 Lines: 51 [....] > Interesting. I guess I never realized that about industrial flash > chips... now that I think about it, the only time I've ever written to > it was while running from RAM. So I'd say this behavior kind of stinks, > but I don't doubt it to be the case. Certainly you would think that > other sectors would be unaffected by a write to another sector, but I > guess they aren't that sophisticated. The datasheet doesn't directly say that you can't do this, but it is the only explanation I can think of. The symptom was that mbug rebooted when I tried either erase or flash operations. The sector would be erased ok, but when trying to flash, only one byte would be flashed. Thats consistent with what I would expect if the cpu lost access to the code it was running after issuing the erase or byte program commands. [....] > > (I have a halfway-decent scrolling text screen now!) > > Cool! I uploaded my test program here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/files/Mailbug/scancode/ It reads the keyboard, and displays the key scancode on the LCD. > > It only seemed natural to just use the sector write the > > same way... > > > > I was lazy, and didn't want to rewrite what seemed good > > enough. I think the right way to do it now is just add > > the actual flash code into mbug. > > I agree. That I'm lazy, or about the right way to do it??? :-) :-) :-) [...] -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: evan947@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57078 invoked from network); 6 Apr 2005 23:40:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Apr 2005 23:40:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Apr 2005 23:40:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2005 23:40:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Apr 2005 23:40:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 23:40:28 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: "evan947" Subject: Total newbie question... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=112297164 X-Yahoo-Profile: evan947 Status: RO Content-Length: 139 Lines: 7 Hi, I just got an old Mailstation... what can it be used for now? Or is there some FAQ that I missed answering the question already? From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3594 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2005 00:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2005 00:11:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail25.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.27) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2005 00:11:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 3787 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2005 00:11:23 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail25.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Apr 2005 00:11:23 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:12:04 -0700 Message-Id: <1112832724.3258.51.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Total newbie question... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 622 Lines: 20 On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 23:40 +0000, evan947 wrote: > > Hi, I just got an old Mailstation... what can it be used for now? Or > is there some FAQ that I missed answering the question already? Given MAILBUG, and an assembly language program, it can currently be used for just about anything, since code can now be loaded onto the unit over the parallel port. If an sdcc target can be made for mailstation, it will become possible to compile C programs for it. If you're not a hacker, for many mailstations you can make it call an alternate ISP and pretty much does what it does today, but with your own ISP. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23488 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2005 00:50:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2005 00:50:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.224) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2005 00:50:16 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.4.224]) by priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050407005016.JKOM4579.priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2005 18:50:16 -0600 Message-ID: <039801c53b0b$c31f13c0$e00474ce@...> To: References: Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 17:42:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Total newbie question... X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 318 Lines: 16 See the website - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/ the links and old messages. Regards, Neil Morrison ----- Original Message ----- From: "evan947" > Hi, I just got an old Mailstation... what can it be used for now? Or > is there some FAQ that I missed answering the question already? From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: johnhungerford@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41735 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2005 16:14:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2005 16:14:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2005 16:14:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2005 16:14:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2005 16:14:01 -0000 Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:14:01 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "johnhungerford" Subject: mailstation hack X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=220492571 X-Yahoo-Profile: johnhungerford Status: RO Content-Length: 312 Lines: 12 Our local Ofice Max is selling a pile of -new- leftover mailstations for $9 each. I bought the wireless model Mivo 250 and it does not function as I see notes on the other models seem to. Perhaps it is a newer one? It is CIDCO model DET28 Any one got good instructions for this model for changing the isp? From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27284 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2005 23:00:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2005 23:00:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.220) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2005 23:00:33 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.4.224]) by priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050407230030.LHFF9708.priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 17:00:30 -0600 Message-ID: <026701c53bc5$97bd7860$e00474ce@...> To: References: Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 15:51:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] mailstation hack X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 557 Lines: 18 The new ones are locked to Earthstation and are harder to crack. You'll need to wait until the rom is dumped and the mailbug software is fully working. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "johnhungerford" > Our local Ofice Max is selling a pile of -new- leftover mailstations > for $9 each. I bought the wireless model Mivo 250 and it does not > function as I see notes on the other models seem to. Perhaps it is a > newer one? > It is CIDCO model DET28 > > Any one got good instructions for this model for changing the isp? From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30562 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2005 11:30:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Apr 2005 11:30:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2005 11:30:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2005 11:30:46 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Apr 2005 11:30:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 11:30:44 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1111796876.3744.180.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1361 Lines: 38 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > On Fri, 2005-03-25 at 13:57 -0800, John R. Hogerhuis wrote: > > > Now, I haven't tried the reflash command. 3.03a... not as brave > > now that I know I'm actually communicating... do you think I > > should just give it a shot, or do you have some ideas for an > > image that is more likely to work? > > Never mind; I just went for it, and mailbug seems to be running > now quite happily. I wasn't as lucky. I went to office max last nite, and grabbed a few of the $9.00 150's. Just now, my curiosity got the better of me, and I flashed the 0.0.2 mbug into one of them. It seems that it flashed it ok, but when it rebooted, I got a streak of bits written to the lcd (approx the top half inch of the lcd). That might indicate that the loader ran, and copied the mboot code to ram (it gets loaded into what normaly is the lcd buffer). But it is not supposed to write the buffer to the lcd. And it never turned on the "new mail" LED (one of the first things mboot does when it starts running after being copied to ram. Or, it could just be the cpu walking thru the screen ram. The pattern does not seem to match the mboot code. I stopped thinking about the idea of a "safer" image after your success with 3.03a, but maybe I will have to get back to it. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90491 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2005 01:59:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2005 01:59:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail26.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.28) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2005 01:59:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 2653 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2005 01:59:26 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail26.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 9 Apr 2005 01:59:25 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 19:00:31 -0700 Message-Id: <1113012031.3258.281.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 537 Lines: 20 On Fri, 2005-04-08 at 11:30 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > > Or, it could just be the cpu walking thru the screen ram. The > pattern does not seem to match the mboot code. > > I stopped thinking about the idea of a "safer" image after your > success with 3.03a, but maybe I will have to get back to it. > Hmm... what version is in the 150? Mine is something like 4.x. Anyway, I guess the good news is the reflash code is there, so at least they can talk. Just need to remove the debugger's dependency on the boot rom. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49530 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2005 02:25:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2005 02:25:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.220) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2005 02:25:03 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.4.224]) by priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050409022503.OKZS3491.priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2005 20:25:03 -0600 Message-ID: <03cd01c53cab$559799c0$e00474ce@...> To: References: <1113012031.3258.281.camel@aragorn> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 19:15:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 361 Lines: 15 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Hogerhuis" > Hmm... what version is in the 150? Mine is something like 4.x. > > Anyway, I guess the good news is the reflash code is there, so at least > they can talk. Just need to remove the debugger's dependency on the boot > rom. I gather there's no code in the ROM to dump the ROM out? Neil From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 42189 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2005 11:06:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2005 11:06:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2005 11:06:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2005 11:06:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2005 11:06:23 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 11:06:20 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1113012031.3258.281.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 2093 Lines: 58 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > Hmm... what version is in the 150? Mine is something like 4.x. It was 4.somethin D, but it's kind of hard to tell now! :-) I have another that is 4.05D, so I imagine that first one was, too. > Anyway, I guess the good news is the reflash code is there, so > at least they can talk. Just need to remove the debugger's > dependency on the boot rom. Right, it does seem to use the same reflash protocol. I have been thinking about just how to organize the next version of the mbug/mboot code. (mboot is what I have been calling the code that gets flashed into the ms codeflash, mbug is code that is loaded into ms RAM via laplink, and mailbug is what I am calling the debugger that runs on the PC at the other end of the laplink.) It seems it would be good to minimize the number of times you had to risk losing access when flashing new code, but it would be nice to be able to make changes, too. The old code does this by loading the latest version into ram from the PC host. (Which also means you need the PC attached whenever you reboot the mailstation.) But eventually it would be nice to be able to run without the PC/laplink. I am thinking that the next step might be a simple ROM monitor that would let you run code at arbitrary locations in the codeflash, from the ms keyboard, as well as connecting to the PC based debugger. And to allow you to develop new versions of the monitor, and flash them without the white knuckles, that it would be seperated into two parts. The first would go in page #00 and remain unchanged mostly. It would be able to automatically jump into the second stage, which would be in a higher page that was eraseable separately from the first stage. Then, if (or should I say when!) you hosed that second stage with a careless change, you could hold a key on the ms keyboard while rebooting it. That would make the first stage skip the auto-jump, and instead let you load mbug into ram, so you could fix the second stage with the debugger. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 94089 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2005 11:19:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2005 11:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2005 11:19:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2005 11:19:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Apr 2005 11:19:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 11:19:45 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <03cd01c53cab$559799c0$e00474ce@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 657 Lines: 24 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Morrison" wrote: > I gather there's no code in the ROM to dump the ROM out? That's right. At least a way has not been found yet, without desoldering the chip, or doing other board surgery. There is really no reason that the manufacturer would ever need to dump the rom, so the function is not there. That makes it more dificult to interface to the existing code, but not impossible. I expect that before long we will be able to load and run our own code in all except the 350's. (Not that it would be impossible, just that as far as I know, nobody is even working on the 350.) -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59027 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2005 18:16:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Apr 2005 18:16:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.24) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2005 18:16:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 2685 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2005 18:16:50 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 9 Apr 2005 18:16:50 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 11:18:01 -0700 Message-Id: <1113070681.3258.324.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: mbug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 3744 Lines: 95 On Sat, 2005-04-09 at 11:06 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > > --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "John R. Hogerhuis" > wrote: > > > Hmm... what version is in the 150? Mine is something like 4.x. > > It was 4.somethin D, but it's kind of hard to tell now! :-) > I have another that is 4.05D, so I imagine that first one was, too. > > > Anyway, I guess the good news is the reflash code is there, so > > at least they can talk. Just need to remove the debugger's > > dependency on the boot rom. > > Right, it does seem to use the same reflash protocol. > > I have been thinking about just how to organize the next version > of the mbug/mboot code. (mboot is what I have been calling the > code that gets flashed into the ms codeflash, mbug is code that is > loaded into ms RAM via laplink, and mailbug is what I am calling > the debugger that runs on the PC at the other end of the laplink.) > OK, I'll try to use those names. > It seems it would be good to minimize the number of times you had > to risk losing access when flashing new code, but it would be nice > to be able to make changes, too. > Yeah, most systems I've worked on have a boot sector/loader that almost never changes. Comes up in bootloader, looks around a flash file system for the application, loads it to RAM, checksums it, and if its OK, jumps to it. You have to add some kind of override... keyboard in our case, that allows you to erase a bad application, so that you don't get into a bad situation if the application is 'bad' even though the checksum is ok. > The old code does this by loading the latest version into ram from > the PC host. (Which also means you need the PC attached whenever > you reboot the mailstation.) > > But eventually it would be nice to be able to run without the > PC/laplink. > Yes a a simple standalone debugger would be nice. Another possibility is to integrate this Forth interpreter: http://www.zetetics.com/camel/ Then high level code can be written on the MS itself, a simple Forth assembler could be integrated, etc. To adapt a Forth usually all you have to do is adapt KEY and EMIT to the system so you do I/O. If we want to run the Forth directly from ROM rather than RAM, we might be able to get some pointers from the Z88 CamelForth project since it can run directly from ROM. > I am thinking that the next step might be a simple ROM monitor that > would let you run code at arbitrary locations in the codeflash, from > the ms keyboard, as well as connecting to the PC based debugger. > > And to allow you to develop new versions of the monitor, and flash > them without the white knuckles, that it would be seperated into > two parts. The first would go in page #00 and remain unchanged > mostly. It would be able to automatically jump into the second > stage, which would be in a higher page that was eraseable separately > from the first stage. > Yeah a simple boot loader that can either find a second stage and checksum it, or load and checksum an app directly to RAM if the second stage either doesn't checksum or the user intervenes. I guess MBUG qualifies as a loadable app, and mboot is the boot loader. Mailbug is pretty much your typical target debugger. But if we can get Forth loaded on there as the loaded app, I think it might be cool to develop new code right on MS. > Then, if (or should I say when!) you hosed that second stage with a > careless change, you could hold a key on the ms keyboard while > rebooting it. That would make the first stage skip the auto-jump, > and instead let you load mbug into ram, so you could fix the second > stage with the debugger. > Yep. With the addition that we should probably checksum the second stage. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: apple2ebeige@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33800 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2005 18:28:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2005 18:28:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2005 18:28:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2005 18:28:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2005 18:28:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 18:28:18 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "apple2ebeige" Subject: Newbie: MS120 From OfficeMax X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=178882009 X-Yahoo-Profile: apple2ebeige Status: RO Content-Length: 310 Lines: 21 The LCD says "Mailstation 120"; on the back "MIVO 200 DET2". None of the keyboard tricks I'm reading about seem to work. Pressing SHIFT+FUNCTION+T and powering on doesn't do anything. Am I doing something wrong? Is there a FAQ? Is there a "better" (more hackable) model to look for? Thanks. -Dave From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: japes_98@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18729 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 01:10:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2005 01:10:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30801.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.144) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2005 01:10:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 96499 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Apr 2005 01:10:26 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Message-ID: <20050417011026.96497.qmail@...> Received: from [67.164.7.200] by web30801.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 18:10:26 PDT Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 18:10:26 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: JP Lester Subject: Re: [mailstation] Newbie: MS120 From OfficeMax X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21661299 X-Yahoo-Profile: japes_98 Status: RO Content-Length: 660 Lines: 45 I'm a newb also and just bought this same MS120. Mine is blueish, and from what I've been reading these unfortunately don't appear to be hackable. -jp --- apple2ebeige wrote: > > > The LCD says "Mailstation 120"; on the back "MIVO > 200 DET2". > > None of the keyboard tricks I'm reading about seem > to work. > > Pressing SHIFT+FUNCTION+T and powering on doesn't do > anything. > > Am I doing something wrong? > > Is there a FAQ? > > Is there a "better" (more hackable) model to look > for? > > Thanks. > > -Dave > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > mailstation-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29739 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 01:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2005 01:53:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.220) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2005 01:53:20 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.4.224]) by priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050417015319.ZBYF24710.priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 19:53:19 -0600 Message-ID: <00db01c542f0$3a84e7a0$e00474ce@...> To: References: <20050417011026.96497.qmail@...> Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 18:52:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Newbie: MS120 From OfficeMax X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 416 Lines: 18 ----- Original Message ----- From: "JP Lester" > I'm a newb also and just bought this same MS120. Mine > is blueish, and from what I've been reading these > unfortunately don't appear to be hackable. > > -jp The very best ones are the Mivo 100 with the Yahoo! function in the Menu. See http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5767182298 - note the Yahoo! second from the right. NM From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: apple2ebeige@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99593 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 02:13:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2005 02:13:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2005 02:13:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2005 02:13:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2005 02:13:27 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 02:13:25 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050417011026.96497.qmail@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "apple2ebeige" Subject: Re: Newbie: MS120 From OfficeMax X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=178882009 X-Yahoo-Profile: apple2ebeige Status: RO Content-Length: 438 Lines: 24 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, JP Lester wrote: > I'm a newb also and just bought this same MS120. Mine > is blueish, and from what I've been reading these > unfortunately don't appear to be hackable. > > -jp Bummer. Can these be used with mailbug? Do *any* of the key sequences work? FWIW, I ran back to the store and also nabbed an MS150 (Earthlink). Seems to suffer the same problems. Thanks. -Dave From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21351 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 02:24:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2005 02:24:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.223) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2005 02:24:00 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.4.224]) by priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050417022359.QBIQ23101.priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 20:23:59 -0600 Message-ID: <00e301c542f4$82f3db00$e00474ce@...> To: References: Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 19:15:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Newbie: MS120 From OfficeMax X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 345 Lines: 16 ----- Original Message ----- From: "apple2ebeige" > Do *any* of the key sequences work? > > FWIW, I ran back to the store and also nabbed an MS150 (Earthlink). Seems to suffer > the same problems. I believe that Earthlink 'locked' them to prevent changing ISPs. Until we can dump and/or alter the ROM we are stuck. NM From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50493 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 02:47:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2005 02:47:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.25) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2005 02:47:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 23685 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 02:47:23 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 17 Apr 2005 02:47:23 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 19:48:41 -0700 Message-Id: <1113706121.25892.484.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Newbie: MS120 From OfficeMax X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 434 Lines: 13 My guess is that the 150 will work with Mailbug, the remote debugger soon (CJ has verified that it doesn't work yet, but the reflash protocol is the same... that's good luck). So once that is all working, you could conceivably load whatever software you want on it including a hacked version of the software (or an older rev might do what you need too). Are you planning to use it just for email, or for something else? -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: bmragle@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12118 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 04:47:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2005 04:47:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2005 04:47:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2005 04:47:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2005 04:47:31 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 04:47:30 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "bmragle" Subject: MS 150 for $9 at OfficeMax...questions, naturally X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=221530630 X-Yahoo-Profile: bmragle Status: RO Content-Length: 217 Lines: 9 Got one for the Dad and will go back for another for general hobby interests if anyone has succeeded in hacking these little buggers. Scoured the net and this forum to no avail. Am I missing something obvious? From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23355 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 05:30:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2005 05:30:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.223) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2005 05:30:43 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.4.224]) by priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050417053042.TQNX12083.priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Sat, 16 Apr 2005 23:30:42 -0600 Message-ID: <026a01c5430e$96eacaa0$e00474ce@...> To: References: Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 22:29:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] MS 150 for $9 at OfficeMax...questions, naturally X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 377 Lines: 15 ----- Original Message ----- From: "bmragle" > Got one for the Dad and will go back for another for general hobby > interests if anyone has succeeded in hacking these little buggers. > Scoured the net and this forum to no avail. Am I missing something > obvious? We need someone who can dump the ROM - need a ROM burner/reader and the right adaptor. Neil From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: apple2ebeige@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23843 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 16:00:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2005 16:00:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2005 16:00:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2005 16:00:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.61] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2005 16:00:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 16:00:08 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1113706121.25892.484.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "apple2ebeige" Subject: Re: Newbie: MS120 From OfficeMax X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=178882009 X-Yahoo-Profile: apple2ebeige Status: RO Content-Length: 633 Lines: 22 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > My guess is that the 150 will work with Mailbug, the remote debugger > soon (CJ has verified that it doesn't work yet, but the reflash protocol > is the same... that's good luck). > > So once that is all working, you could conceivably load whatever > software you want on it including a hacked version of the software (or > an older rev might do what you need too). > > Are you planning to use it just for email, or for something else? > > -- John. I think the MS would make the coolest little Forth machine, kind of a Jupiter Ace 2005. -Dave From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9546 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 16:59:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2005 16:59:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.24) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2005 16:59:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 11519 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 16:59:18 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 17 Apr 2005 16:59:18 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 09:59:19 -0700 Message-Id: <1113757159.25892.533.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Newbie: MS120 From OfficeMax X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 479 Lines: 21 On Sun, 2005-04-17 at 16:00 +0000, apple2ebeige wrote: > I think the MS would make the coolest little Forth machine, kind of a > Jupiter Ace 2005. > > -Dave > > I agree! I've made similar noises here but done nothing about it (too many projects). How about porting Z80 CamelForth to the ms? I'm guessing it's one or two weekends of work, and then the MS is stand-alone programmable, we could even put the editor and assembler in ROM along with the Forth core. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35452 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 17:17:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2005 17:17:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2005 17:17:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2005 17:17:28 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2005 17:17:24 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 17:17:23 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1113757159.25892.533.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Newbie: MS120 From OfficeMax X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 288 Lines: 15 > How about porting Z80 CamelForth to the ms? > > I'm guessing it's one or two weekends of work, and then the MS is > stand-alone programmable, we could even put the editor and assembler > in ROM along with the Forth core. Does CamelForth need a file system underneath it? -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: apple2ebeige@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47601 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 18:18:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2005 18:18:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2005 18:18:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2005 18:18:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Apr 2005 18:18:55 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 18:18:53 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "apple2ebeige" Subject: Re: Newbie: MS120 From OfficeMax X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=178882009 X-Yahoo-Profile: apple2ebeige Status: RO Content-Length: 552 Lines: 26 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Cyrano Jones" wrote: > > > How about porting Z80 CamelForth to the ms? > > > > I'm guessing it's one or two weekends of work, and then the MS is > > stand-alone programmable, we could even put the editor and assembler > > in ROM along with the Forth core. > > Does CamelForth need a file system underneath it? > > -- > CJ I don't think so. Here's a good page: http://www.hytherion.com/beattidp/comput/z80forth.htm There's a reference to a Z180 port that is standalone. -Dave From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8249 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 19:39:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2005 19:39:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.26) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2005 19:39:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 31253 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 19:39:27 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 17 Apr 2005 19:39:27 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 12:39:29 -0700 Message-Id: <1113766770.25892.552.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Newbie: MS120 From OfficeMax X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 1197 Lines: 35 On Sun, 2005-04-17 at 17:17 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > > > How about porting Z80 CamelForth to the ms? > > > > I'm guessing it's one or two weekends of work, and then the MS is > > stand-alone programmable, we could even put the editor and > assembler > > in ROM along with the Forth core. > > Does CamelForth need a file system underneath it? > No. The kernel gets flashed to ROM, then you interface with it over the parallel port, (we'd need some kind of terminal program that talks over parallel port on the DOS side) creating new definitions as you play. In fact, traditionally Forth implements a "BLOCKS" wordset where whatever storage you've got is divided into 64 X 16 blocks. So in a way, classic Forth comes with its own file system approach that could be used. I'm sure someone has done something to make a BLOCKS wordset that works well with industrial flash chips (i.e. tries not to rewrite the same blocks all the time). Intro information on Forth: http://home.iae.nl/users/mhx/sf.html http://thinking-forth.sourceforge.net (I helped to create the PDF) (Note these cover older vintages of Forth, so many words are different, but the core ideas are the same). -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43724 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 19:50:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2005 19:50:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.240) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2005 19:50:00 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.4.224]) by priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050417194959.NAGB27304.priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Sun, 17 Apr 2005 13:49:59 -0600 Message-ID: <003d01c54386$a13aef80$e00474ce@...> To: References: Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 12:46:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Newbie: MS120 From OfficeMax X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 395 Lines: 16 ----- Original Message ----- From: "apple2ebeige" > I think the MS would make the coolest little Forth machine, kind of a Jupiter Ace 2005. > > -Dave My hope is to turn it into a 'Super' Radio Shack Model 100 laptop. BTW, looking on the Earthlink site it looks like they are not selling the Mivo anymore. If they opened it up they could get more than $9 for them! Neil From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77118 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 20:59:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Apr 2005 20:59:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.26) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2005 20:59:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 31172 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2005 20:59:32 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 17 Apr 2005 20:59:32 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <003d01c54386$a13aef80$e00474ce@...> References: <003d01c54386$a13aef80$e00474ce@...> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 13:59:35 -0700 Message-Id: <1113771576.25892.559.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Newbie: MS120 From OfficeMax X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 505 Lines: 16 On Sun, 2005-04-17 at 12:46 -0700, Neil Morrison wrote: > My hope is to turn it into a 'Super' Radio Shack Model 100 laptop. The thought has occurred to me... how are we going to do that without battery backed RAM? I guess when we power down, we could write the RAM image to flash. That's if the "power" button is pressed. But what if we get a hard power failure... (no batteries, and DC adapter is pulled out, or batteries die) I'm guessing there wouldn't be enough time to write it out. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95449 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2005 01:09:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2005 01:09:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2005 01:09:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2005 01:09:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2005 01:09:11 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 01:09:10 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1113771576.25892.559.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Newbie: MS120 From OfficeMax X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 698 Lines: 23 > > My hope is to turn it into a 'Super' Radio Shack Model 100 laptop. > > > The thought has occurred to me... how are we going to do that > without battery backed RAM? I guess when we power down, we could > write the RAM image to flash. That's if the "power" button is > pressed. But what if we get a hard power failure... (no batteries, > and DC adapter is pulled out, or batteries die) I'm guessing there > wouldn't be enough time to write it out. The ms RAM stays powered from the batteries when the power is switched off via the power button. Would that be enough? (It doesn't seem like too much of a hardship to keep batteries in it if you need battery-backed RAM! :-) -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31707 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2005 01:32:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2005 01:32:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.24) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2005 01:32:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 5814 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2005 01:32:21 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 18 Apr 2005 01:32:21 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 18:32:27 -0700 Message-Id: <1113787947.25892.580.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Newbie: MS120 From OfficeMax X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 1635 Lines: 41 On Mon, 2005-04-18 at 01:09 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > > > > My hope is to turn it into a 'Super' Radio Shack Model 100 laptop. > > > > > > The thought has occurred to me... how are we going to do that > > without battery backed RAM? I guess when we power down, we could > > write the RAM image to flash. That's if the "power" button is > > pressed. But what if we get a hard power failure... (no batteries, > > and DC adapter is pulled out, or batteries die) I'm guessing there > > wouldn't be enough time to write it out. > > The ms RAM stays powered from the batteries when the power > is switched off via the power button. Would that be enough? > Ah, didn't realize that. I figured it stored all files on flash, so why would it battery back the RAM? Anyway that's good news (to me). > (It doesn't seem like too much of a hardship to keep batteries > in it if you need battery-backed RAM! :-) Yes I suppose that's true. But the Model 100 has a nicad soldered to the motherboard. It almost never gets used, spending most of its time fully charged off either the battery or the wall cube. So if you leave an M100 on the shelf, the main batteries will die. But months later you turn the thing on and all your files are still there! Unlike say the Cambridge Z88, which doesn't have a battery backup but just a capacitor similar to the way a Palm Pilot works. It's hard to get the batteries changed in the short period of time you have from the warning, especially if you're using rechargeables. On an M100 you have a very long time before the memory will die even with a warning and dead main batteries. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: apple2ebeige@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 45651 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2005 01:40:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2005 01:40:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2005 01:40:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2005 01:40:41 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Apr 2005 01:40:41 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 01:40:41 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00e301c542f4$82f3db00$e00474ce@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "apple2ebeige" Subject: Re: Newbie: MS120 From OfficeMax X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=178882009 X-Yahoo-Profile: apple2ebeige Status: RO Content-Length: 599 Lines: 28 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Morrison" wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "apple2ebeige" > > > Do *any* of the key sequences work? > > > > FWIW, I ran back to the store and also nabbed an MS150 (Earthlink). Seems > to suffer > > the same problems. > > I believe that Earthlink 'locked' them to prevent changing ISPs. Until we > can dump and/or alter the ROM we are stuck. > > NM OK, if I unsolder the TSOP part (29F080?), can somebody read it out? In the photos section there's a picture of an adaptor(?) Thanks. -Dave From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1260 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2005 02:40:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2005 02:40:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.224) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2005 02:40:46 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.4.224]) by priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050418024046.ZBUQ27855.priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Sun, 17 Apr 2005 20:40:46 -0600 Message-ID: <024d01c543bf$fe69faa0$e00474ce@...> To: References: Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 19:36:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Newbie: MS120 From OfficeMax X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 328 Lines: 15 It takes considerable skill to desolder these without zapping them. But you can read them while still in the unit. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "apple2ebeige" > OK, if I unsolder the TSOP part (29F080?), can somebody read it out? In the photos section > there's a picture of an adaptor(?) From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96980 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2005 02:40:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2005 02:40:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.224) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2005 02:40:52 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.4.224]) by priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050418024040.ZBQG27855.priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Sun, 17 Apr 2005 20:40:40 -0600 Message-ID: <024c01c543bf$fb56a020$e00474ce@...> To: References: <1113787947.25892.580.camel@aragorn> Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 19:35:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] MS120 From OfficeMax X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 402 Lines: 17 The flash works well. I bought one on eBay - still had some of the owner's files in it. I stored it for a few months with no power. Plugged it in and the files are still there. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Hogerhuis" > Ah, didn't realize that. I figured it stored all files on flash, so why > would it battery back the RAM? > > Anyway that's good news (to me). From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: RandyProthero@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39481 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2005 14:28:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2005 14:28:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailman.corsof.com) (198.22.44.245) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2005 14:28:37 -0000 Received: from mailman.corsof.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by newmail.corsof.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E1AE14157 for ; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 10:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RANDY.nashua.corsof.com (randy.nashua.corsof.com [10.1.70.53]) by mailman.corsof.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AD9F1414A for ; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 10:28:36 -0400 (EDT) To: "mailstation@yahoogroups.com" Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 10:29:05 -0500 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2717) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195;2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050418142836.4AD9F1414A@...> X-Antivirus: Scanned by F-Prot Antivirus (http://www.f-prot.com) X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Randy Prothero" Subject: Steps to change ISP information for MS120 (includes earthlink flavor) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=221665753 X-Yahoo-Profile: rcilink Status: RO Content-Length: 1117 Lines: 23 >I believe that Earthlink 'locked' them to prevent changing ISPs. Until we >can dump and/or alter the ROM we are stuck. I have the MS120 (same one from Office Max for $9) and have success in unlocking it. To do it: 1. Remove batteries - they must be out to do this! 2. Prepare AC adapter for use to power the mailstation. You will need to be able to quickly and easily disconnect it.. 3. press (and hold) [FUNCTION] [SHIFT] [D] and power on. A menu should appear. 4. Select *Restore Email Defaults" from the menu. Press Enter. It will prompt "are you sure? YES / NO" 5. As soon as you press YES, you need to quickly interrupt the power to the unit-- corrupting the user account information in flash. ** Step #5 takes some tries-- dont give up, keep trying! 6. If you got it right, you can power up and select "NO Clear" (if a menu appears) and you should see "Press OK to configure a user account" 7. Once you press Enter, you will get to put in the login info (name/password, etc) .. Sadly, you must go thru this to change it after, so let someone patient do it for you.. I have done it, and it works! From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: japes_98@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18181 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2005 15:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2005 15:34:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.200.151) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2005 15:34:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 5984 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Apr 2005 15:34:09 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Message-ID: <20050418153409.5982.qmail@...> Received: from [67.164.7.200] by web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 08:34:08 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 08:34:08 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: JP Lester Subject: Re: [mailstation] Steps to change ISP information for MS120 (includes earthlink flavor) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=21661299 X-Yahoo-Profile: japes_98 Status: RO Content-Length: 1397 Lines: 56 Unfortunately, this doesn't work for my blue one.. -jp --- Randy Prothero wrote: > > >I believe that Earthlink 'locked' them to prevent > changing ISPs. Until we > >can dump and/or alter the ROM we are stuck. > > I have the MS120 (same one from Office Max for $9) > and have success in unlocking it. > > To do it: > > 1. Remove batteries - they must be out to do this! > 2. Prepare AC adapter for use to power the > mailstation. You will need to be able to quickly > and easily disconnect it.. > 3. press (and hold) [FUNCTION] [SHIFT] [D] and power > on. A menu should appear. > 4. Select *Restore Email Defaults" from the menu. > Press Enter. It will prompt "are you sure? YES / NO" > 5. As soon as you press YES, you need to quickly > interrupt the power to the unit-- corrupting the > user account information in flash. > ** Step #5 takes some tries-- dont give up, keep > trying! > 6. If you got it right, you can power up and select > "NO Clear" (if a menu appears) and you should see > "Press OK to configure a user account" > 7. Once you press Enter, you will get to put in the > login info (name/password, etc) .. > > Sadly, you must go thru this to change it after, so > let someone patient do it for you.. I have done it, > and it works! > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > mailstation-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: gaylejanzen@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 464 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2005 19:26:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2005 19:26:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53103.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.206) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2005 19:26:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 38544 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Apr 2005 19:26:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Message-ID: <20050418192614.38542.qmail@...> Received: from [68.112.106.191] by web53103.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Apr 2005 12:26:14 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 12:26:14 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2043843726-1113852374=:38385" X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Gayle Janzen Subject: Re: [mailstation] Steps to change ISP information for MS120 (includes earthlink flavor) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=221440080 X-Yahoo-Profile: gaylejanzen Status: RO Content-Length: 4848 Lines: 88 --0-2043843726-1113852374=:38385 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I tried at least a dozen times, it didn't work on my MS 120 which I bought last week at Office Max for $9.00. Thankfully I have a HP 648 printer at home so I can use it for a word processor which was the main reason I bought it BUT...I got sucked in by all the attempts to hack this little thing. What's most frustrating is to think there's probably an executive somewhere laughing his head off at us. JP Lester wrote:Unfortunately, this doesn't work for my blue one.. -jp --- Randy Prothero wrote: > > >I believe that Earthlink 'locked' them to prevent > changing ISPs. Until we > >can dump and/or alter the ROM we are stuck. > > I have the MS120 (same one from Office Max for $9) > and have success in unlocking it. > > To do it: > > 1. Remove batteries - they must be out to do this! > 2. Prepare AC adapter for use to power the > mailstation. You will need to be able to quickly > and easily disconnect it.. > 3. press (and hold) [FUNCTION] [SHIFT] [D] and power > on. A menu should appear. > 4. Select *Restore Email Defaults" from the menu. > Press Enter. It will prompt "are you sure? YES / NO" > 5. As soon as you press YES, you need to quickly > interrupt the power to the unit-- corrupting the > user account information in flash. > ** Step #5 takes some tries-- dont give up, keep > trying! > 6. If you got it right, you can power up and select > "NO Clear" (if a menu appears) and you should see > "Press OK to configure a user account" > 7. Once you press Enter, you will get to put in the > login info (name/password, etc) .. > > Sadly, you must go thru this to change it after, so > let someone patient do it for you.. I have done it, > and it works! > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > mailstation-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: mailstation-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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I tried at least a dozen times, it didn't work on my MS 120 which I bought last week at Office Max for $9.00. Thankfully I have a HP 648 printer at home so I can use it for a word processor which was the main reason I bought it BUT...I got sucked in by all the attempts to hack this little thing. What's most frustrating is to think there's probably an executive somewhere laughing his head off at us.

JP Lester wrote:
Unfortunately, this doesn't work for my blue one..

-jp
--- Randy Prothero
wrote:
>
> >I believe that Earthlink 'locked' them to prevent
> changing ISPs. Until we
> >can dump and/or alter the ROM we are stuck.
>
> I have the MS120 (same one from Office Max for $9)
> and have success in unlocking it.
>
> To do it:
>
> 1. Remove batteries - they must be out to do this!
> 2. Prepare AC adapter for use to power the
> mailstation.  You will need to be able to quickly
> and easily disconnect it..
> 3. press (and hold) [FUNCTION] [SHIFT] [D] and power
> on.  A menu should appear.
> 4. Select *Restore Email Defaults" from the menu.
> Press Enter. It will prompt "are you sure? YES / NO"
> 5. As soon as you press YES, you need to quickly
> interrupt the power to the unit-- corrupting the
> user account information in flash.
> ** Step #5 takes some tries-- dont give up, keep
> trying!
> 6. If you got it right, you can power up and select
> "NO Clear" (if a menu appears) and you should see
> "Press OK to configure a user account"
> 7. Once you press Enter, you will get to put in the
> login info (name/password, etc) ..
>
> Sadly, you must go thru this to change it after, so
> let someone patient do it for you.. I have done it,
> and it works!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>     mailstation-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> 
>
>
>
>

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-2043843726-1113852374=:38385-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60359 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2005 21:04:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Apr 2005 21:04:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.26) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2005 21:04:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 17948 invoked from network); 18 Apr 2005 21:04:27 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 18 Apr 2005 21:04:27 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20050418192614.38542.qmail@...> References: <20050418192614.38542.qmail@...> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 14:04:42 -0700 Message-Id: <1113858282.25892.651.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Steps to change ISP information for MS120 (includes earthlink flavor) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 563 Lines: 16 On Mon, 2005-04-18 at 12:26 -0700, Gayle Janzen wrote: > I tried at least a dozen times, it didn't work on my MS 120 which I > bought last week at Office Max for $9.00. Thankfully I have a HP 648 > printer at home so I can use it for a word processor which was the > main reason I bought it BUT...I got sucked in by all the attempts to > hack this little thing. What's most frustrating is to think there's > probably an executive somewhere laughing his head off at us. > Attempts? It's already hacked. We just need to put something useful on it... -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: spamtrap@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26810 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2005 14:23:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2005 14:23:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2005 14:23:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2005 14:21:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.93] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2005 14:21:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:21:34 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "afcblink" Subject: Noob ?'s--How is HTML handled? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=215505094 X-Yahoo-Profile: afcblink Status: RO Content-Length: 357 Lines: 10 I, too, couldn't pass up a $9.00 MS120. I bought it not to hack, but to give to my Dad. My concern is that it can't handle HTML, which is how nearly everyone sends stuff nowadays, even when they don't need it. Are the HTML markups stripped, or does all the ugly HTML code show up? If that's the case I won't spend the money to sign up for the serivce. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26661 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2005 06:00:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Apr 2005 06:00:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.240) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Apr 2005 06:00:20 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.4.224]) by priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050420060018.BFSL10662.priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 00:00:18 -0600 Message-ID: <00fe01c5456e$394b9160$e00474ce@...> To: References: Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:52:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Noob ?'s--How is HTML handled? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 644 Lines: 17 ----- Original Message ----- From: "afcblink" > I, too, couldn't pass up a $9.00 MS120. I bought it not to hack, but > to give to my Dad. My concern is that it can't handle HTML, which is > how nearly everyone sends stuff nowadays, even when they don't need > it. Are the HTML markups stripped, or does all the ugly HTML code show > up? If that's the case I won't spend the money to sign up for the serivce. The service may strip the HTML but the machine won't. The service may be rather expensive and I'm not sure how long it will be available. However a lot of the USA doesn't have high speed access so for now ... Neil From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41523 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2005 21:35:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Apr 2005 21:35:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2005 21:35:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2005 21:34:55 -0000 Received: from [209.73.170.215] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Apr 2005 21:34:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 21:34:54 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "jhogerhuis" Subject: CamelForth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 1688 Lines: 44 Well as a proof of concept I ported CamelForth to the Tandy WP-2, a Z80 based word processor, not too different from the MS. I did the WP-2 since I've been planning it for a while and it has a built in serial-connected disk driver that I happen to have a good emulator for. I had to do a few things: a) Use the Z180 port of CamelForth, since it can compile with the Zilog assembler/linker. The original Z80 CamelForth is compatible with some CP/M assembler. b) Remove hardware specific stuff in the Z180 port. Nothing difficult, just deleting some things. c) Create a WP-2 compatible "header" for the file. d) Implement EMIT, KEY, and KEY? EMIT outputs a character to the terminal, KEY blocks reading a character from the terminal, and KEY? just scans for the currently depressed key. e) Use the HEX2BIN utility of sourceforge to convert Intel hex to binary. f) Load it up and test my implementations of EMIT, KEY, and KEY? Anyway, it works! The MS shouldn't be too different, at least if we are using its routines. But for stand-alone (ie no dependence on Cidco code) we'd need a little bit more, since we'd be generating characters ourselves, and we'd have to do all the bootloader stuff. But it might be easier to experiment with that kind of thing if we just get CamelForth booting first, then we can play with all the hardware interactively. I have some ideas for a simple flash file system if we get tired of loading code at the keyboard or over the parallel port. CamelForth is about 6K, there are instructions burning it to ROM available (so it doesn't create any variables in program space). Or we could just load and run it in RAM for now via MAILBUG. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: udrdraco1@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61895 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2005 18:18:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2005 18:18:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2005 18:18:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2005 18:18:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2005 18:18:31 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 18:18:30 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "udrdraco1" Subject: deti1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159961399 X-Yahoo-Profile: udrdraco1 Status: RO Content-Length: 255 Lines: 9 Hey, I'm new here so plese forgive the noobiness. I just got a hold of a det1 mailstation, and I've been looking around for ways to hack it so I can use my own isp with it. I have no idea what Im supposed to do, so any info would be super awsome. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 18686 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2005 18:44:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2005 18:44:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.25) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2005 18:44:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 469 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2005 18:44:36 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail23.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 23 Apr 2005 18:44:36 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 11:45:49 -0700 Message-Id: <1114281949.25892.1117.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] deti1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 536 Lines: 22 On Sat, 2005-04-23 at 18:18 +0000, udrdraco1 wrote: > > Hey, I'm new here so plese forgive the noobiness. I just got a hold > of > a det1 mailstation, and I've been looking around for ways to hack it > so I can use my own isp with it. I have no idea what Im supposed to > do, so any info would be super awsome. > > > > Yes you can do this. But this question is answered once a week, so please search the archive. Searching with the phrase "isp" or "my own isp" should do it... We really need to put a FAQ list... -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 83589 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2005 19:09:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2005 19:09:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.56) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2005 19:09:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2005 19:09:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.99] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2005 19:09:58 -0000 Date: 23 Apr 2005 19:09:56 -0000 Message-ID: <1114283396.255.25589.w127@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to mailstation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 509 Lines: 29 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the mailstation group. File : /Cracking Uploaded by : neils_morr Description : Some notes on different ISP use You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/files/Cracking To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, neils_morr From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90133 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2005 19:19:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2005 19:19:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.220) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2005 19:19:38 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.4.224]) by priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050423191938.SBFE9269.priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 13:19:38 -0600 Message-ID: <005f01c54839$63c7c760$e00474ce@...> To: References: <1114281949.25892.1117.camel@aragorn> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 12:10:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] deti1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 303 Lines: 16 I posted a file. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Hogerhuis" > Yes you can do this. But this question is answered once a week, so > please search the archive. Searching with the phrase "isp" or "my own > isp" should do it... > > We really need to put a FAQ list... From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: udrdraco1@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 55799 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2005 19:25:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2005 19:25:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2005 19:25:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2005 19:25:01 -0000 Received: from [209.73.170.220] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Apr 2005 19:25:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 19:24:59 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1114281949.25892.1117.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "udrdraco1" Subject: Re: deti1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=159961399 X-Yahoo-Profile: udrdraco1 Status: RO Content-Length: 1258 Lines: 41 Wooh, I was able to do it. My det1 succesfully logs into netzero. one problem though, when it tries to connect to the netzero mail server, it gets the error "the email service is busy or unavailable. please try again later." Same thing goes with my yahoo account. I'm pretty sure i put in the right pop3 and smtp adress. maybe its the fact that my email adress is .net, and the pop3 and smtp adresses are .com, though i dont think that's it. hmm... do you guys know of any free email places that work well with it? Oh and is the yahoo option functional at all? all i get is a clear screen. --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > On Sat, 2005-04-23 at 18:18 +0000, udrdraco1 wrote: > > > > Hey, I'm new here so plese forgive the noobiness. I just got a hold > > of > > a det1 mailstation, and I've been looking around for ways to hack it > > so I can use my own isp with it. I have no idea what Im supposed to > > do, so any info would be super awsome. > > > > > > > > > > Yes you can do this. But this question is answered once a week, so > please search the archive. Searching with the phrase "isp" or "my own > isp" should do it... > > We really need to put a FAQ list... > > -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7731 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2005 21:58:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2005 21:58:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.220) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2005 21:58:03 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.4.224]) by priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with SMTP id <20050423215802.GMDT772.priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2005 15:58:02 -0600 Message-ID: <02ca01c5484f$83df6880$e00474ce@...> To: References: Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 14:54:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: deti1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 341 Lines: 16 ----- Original Message ----- From: "udrdraco1" > Oh and is the yahoo option functional at all? all i get is a clear > screen. AFAIK they dumped the service after a year. I bought a used machine with two of the messages still inside - neat! I'd like to figure it out and 'fix' it to work again. Regards, Neil Morrison From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50733 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2005 01:28:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2005 01:28:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2005 01:28:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2005 01:28:09 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2005 01:28:09 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 01:28:08 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: CamelForth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 2054 Lines: 68 > Well as a proof of concept I ported CamelForth to the Tandy WP-2, a > Z80 based word processor, not too different from the MS. Cool! [...] > a) Use the Z180 port of CamelForth, since it can compile with the > Zilog assembler/linker. The original Z80 CamelForth is compatible > with some CP/M assembler. Does the z180 code run on a z80? If it does, what makes it a z180 port? Just curious. [...] > d) Implement EMIT, KEY, and KEY? EMIT outputs a character to the > terminal, KEY blocks reading a character from the terminal, and KEY? > just scans for the currently depressed key. Did you use existing terminal routines in the WP-2? So far, all I have found in ms is the raw scancode key buffer routines. Won't be "too hard" (heh, there I go again) to convert to ascii. On the output side it might be a little more work. I have some quick and dirty code that writes whole strings to LCD. I used the existing message display function from the update code. Its easy to set the line it writes on, but it always wants to write starting at the left edge of the screen. Probably the most straight forward way to do a better terminal would be to restore the font page in codeflash, and then use the LCD code in page #00 of the codeflash. But I don't know if there is a "text mode" cursor. Might have to keep track of that ourselves. > e) Use the HEX2BIN utility of sourceforge to convert Intel hex to > binary. Mailbug can load intel .hex files! :-) (It's one of the few thing that did work right in version posted. Is anyone waiting for the fixed version?) > f) Load it up and test my implementations of EMIT, KEY, and KEY? > > Anyway, it works! It's always fun when "it works"!!! [...] > I have some ideas for a simple flash file system if we > get tired of loading code at the keyboard or over the parallel port. Yeah, it seems like you would need to store your program files somewhere, even if the forth interpreter is in rom. And a text editor to write programs, or is that part of forth already? [...] -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43582 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2005 02:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2005 02:48:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2005 02:48:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2005 02:48:21 -0000 Received: from [209.73.170.217] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Apr 2005 02:48:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 02:48:20 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <02ca01c5484f$83df6880$e00474ce@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: deti1 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 2492 Lines: 77 > > Oh and is the yahoo option functional at all? all i get is a clear > > screen. > > AFAIK they dumped the service after a year. I bought a used machine > with two of the messages still inside - neat! I'd like to figure it > out and 'fix' it to work again. I got a couple recently that have a "MyCIDCO" icon on the main menu. This must be a replacement for the "My Yahoo" function. One has TV listings & weather for Jan 6, 2005. The other had news, and something else, also from this year (I guess I erased it with the "flash test"). So, it would seem that Earthlink was still providing it in January. The info is stored in the first 8 pages of the dataflash, one page for each item in the sub-menu under mycidco. I just get a blank page now on the one I erased, with a "mycidco" tab at the top. But there used to be two icons on that page, and selecting one would display a page of data. The data for the page is stored as one big bitmap graphic. I don't think there is a lot of hope of using it as intended, without a mailstation account from Earthlink. Even if you could get the data into those pages (I suspect it uses the "clipmail" extensions to pop protocol), where would you get the data to load? But it might be a way to add some new functions to the ms menu. It doesn't have to be tv listing or news, it can be any code you want. I spliced some code into the eventhadler, and it runs whenever you select the icon, or any key is pressed, while viewing the associated data page. (I just made it blink the mail LED.) It probably won't look very good after yahoo smashes all the indenting out, but here is the format of each item/page: (try view source if reading this on website) 4000 C3 00 78 JP eventhandler 4003 64 40 DEFW icon ; icon location (in this page) 4005 0E 40 DEFW caption 4007 09 40 DEFW dunno dunno: 4009 00 .. 00 DEFB 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 caption: 400E 01 00 DEFW 1 ; num of strings??? lines??? 4010 0A 00 DEFW 10 ; num of chars 4012 06 00 DEFW 6 ; offset to first char of caption 4014 54 .. 67 DEFM "TV Listing" ;caption string 401E 00 .. 00 icon: 4064 AD 00 ;graphic data for icon, and data page, too. 4066 08 00 4068 43 10 406A B5 00 406C 22 00 406E 22 00 .... ..... 77FF 00 eventhandler: 7800 [code for eventhandler] .... 7FFF -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74009 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2005 02:54:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2005 02:54:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail28.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.30) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2005 02:54:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 16091 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2005 02:54:03 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail28.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 24 Apr 2005 02:54:03 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 19:55:20 -0700 Message-Id: <1114311320.25892.1138.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: CamelForth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 3639 Lines: 97 On Sun, 2005-04-24 at 01:28 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > > > Well as a proof of concept I ported CamelForth to the Tandy WP-2, a > > Z80 based word processor, not too different from the MS. > > Cool! > > [...] > > a) Use the Z180 port of CamelForth, since it can compile with the > > Zilog assembler/linker. The original Z80 CamelForth is compatible > > with some CP/M assembler. > > Does the z180 code run on a z80? If it does, what makes it a z180 > port? > Just curious. > I haven't seen anything special. The only thing about this port that I needed was that it assembles with the Zilog assembler/linker instead of some CP/M assembler/linker. Seems to run fine on a regular Z80 chip. > [...] > > d) Implement EMIT, KEY, and KEY? EMIT outputs a character to the > > terminal, KEY blocks reading a character from the terminal, and KEY? > > just scans for the currently depressed key. > > Did you use existing terminal routines in the WP-2? > Yes. And of course now I'm finding that the charout is buggy on some WP-2 ROMs when you get to the screen scroll. So I may have to do it myself at least for the last character on screen. > So far, all I have found in ms is the raw scancode key buffer > routines. > Won't be "too hard" (heh, there I go again) to convert to ascii. > Yeah that sounds like not a big deal. Are they even encoded? In the WP-2, for example, they are two bytes, one that has the ascii code and the other has bits set for various shift and function keys. > On the output side it might be a little more work. I have some > quick and dirty code that writes whole strings to LCD. I used > the existing message display function from the update code. > Its easy to set the line it writes on, but it always wants to write > starting at the left edge of the screen. > > Probably the most straight forward way to do a better > terminal would be to restore the font page in codeflash, > and then use the LCD code in page #00 of the codeflash. > But I don't know if there is a "text mode" cursor. Might > have to keep track of that ourselves. > Fixed width fonts aren't hard to make in any event. Better to use something without the Cidco copyright on it. At the momemnt cursor doesn't work all that well on WP-2, but I can get along ok without it. Will add one soon, just not my top priority. > > e) Use the HEX2BIN utility of sourceforge to convert Intel hex to > > binary. > > Mailbug can load intel .hex files! :-) > (It's one of the few thing that did work right in version posted. > Is anyone waiting for the fixed version?) > I'd like a new version :-) That's one of the reasons I've been poking around with WP-2 instead of MS, I know you said there are some bugs in the released code. > > I have some ideas for a simple flash file system if we > > get tired of loading code at the keyboard or over the parallel port. > > Yeah, it seems like you would need to store your program files > somewhere, even if the forth interpreter is in rom. And a text > editor to write programs, or is that part of forth already? > Good point on the editor... then WP-2 is a word processor in ROM so I get an editor for free. On the MS, once we get Forth loaded there are lots of block editors around, and I believe there are also full screen editors. I've seen at least one complete forth word processor source code, we could use that if can't find something smaller. In any event we could just redirect I/O to the parallel port and interact completely over a terminal session. Then to upload code just use the terminal program. Then we could bootstrap our way to a filesystem. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: geraldjones1234@... 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And what is the scoop on changeing the rom. Please say in basis easy to understand terms. Gerald From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1625 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2005 22:53:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Apr 2005 22:53:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.29) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2005 22:53:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 1724 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2005 22:53:44 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 24 Apr 2005 22:53:44 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 15:53:48 -0700 Message-Id: <1114383228.25892.1229.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] New to all this X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 829 Lines: 26 Hi Gerald, On Sun, 2005-04-24 at 21:38 +0000, geraldjones1234 wrote: > > can mailstation be "reset" to use another IP like dialup roadrunner > and Yes. See "Cracking" in the files section of the mailstation Yahoo group > receive email and can It surf the web. And what is the scoop on There is no web browser built-in to the mailstation, just a mail client. Maybe eventually we'll be able to do text mode browsing. > changeing the rom. Please say in basis easy to understand terms. > As far as changing the ROM, this feature is just for developers right now. So if you want to write experimental programs for the DET-1 in assembly language, this can be useful and the tools are in the Files section (Mailbug), However, there's nothing significant for end users to load on the MS yet, hopefully soon though. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... 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See the links too. NM ----- Original Message ----- From: "geraldjones1234" > can mailstation be "reset" to use another IP like dialup roadrunner and > receive email and can It surf the web. And what is the scoop on > changeing the rom. Please say in basis easy to understand terms. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: kc_italian2000@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22573 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2005 14:37:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2005 14:37:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web60507.mail.yahoo.com) (216.109.116.128) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2005 14:37:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 29665 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Apr 2005 14:37:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Message-ID: <20050425143751.29663.qmail@...> Received: from [208.24.179.11] by web60507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Apr 2005 07:37:50 PDT Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 07:37:50 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-93064042-1114439870=:28722" X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: charles gordon Subject: Re: [mailstation] New to all this X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=184244975 X-Yahoo-Profile: kc_italian2000 Status: RO Content-Length: 1698 Lines: 41 --0-93064042-1114439870=:28722 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii what model do you have, the earlier ones are pretty easy to change the domain info. geraldjones1234 wrote: can mailstation be "reset" to use another IP like dialup roadrunner and receive email and can It surf the web. And what is the scoop on changeing the rom. Please say in basis easy to understand terms. 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what model do you have,  the earlier ones are pretty easy to change the domain info.

geraldjones1234 wrote:

can mailstation be "reset" to use another IP like dialup roadrunner and
receive email and can It surf the web. And what is the scoop on
changeing the rom. Please say in basis easy to understand terms.

Gerald



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Until we > >can dump and/or alter the ROM we are stuck. > > I have the MS120 (same one from Office Max for $9) and have success in unlocking it. > > To do it: > > 1. Remove batteries - they must be out to do this! > 2. Prepare AC adapter for use to power the mailstation. You will need to be able to quickly and easily disconnect it.. > 3. press (and hold) [FUNCTION] [SHIFT] [D] and power on. A menu should appear. > 4. Select *Restore Email Defaults" from the menu. Press Enter. It will prompt "are you sure? YES / NO" > 5. As soon as you press YES, you need to quickly interrupt the power to the unit-- corrupting the user account information in flash. > ** Step #5 takes some tries-- dont give up, keep trying! > 6. If you got it right, you can power up and select "NO Clear" (if a menu appears) and you should see "Press OK to configure a user account" > 7. Once you press Enter, you will get to put in the login info (name/password, etc) .. > > Sadly, you must go thru this to change it after, so let someone patient do it for you.. I have done it, and it works! From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: geraldjones1234@... 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Gerald --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, charles gordon wrote: > what model do you have, the earlier ones are pretty easy to change the domain info. > > geraldjones1234 wrote: > can mailstation be "reset" to use another IP like dialup roadrunner and > receive email and can It surf the web. And what is the scoop on > changeing the rom. Please say in basis easy to understand terms. > > Gerald > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > mailstation-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: geraldjones1234@... 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And what is the scoop on > > changeing the rom. Please say in basis easy to understand terms. > > > > Gerald > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/ > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > mailstation-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: gaylejanzen@... 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I am baffled...I do the whole [FUNCTION] [SHIFT] [D] and power on thing and still get the main menu. I have an ancient printer so it's working nice as an old time word processor.

 

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Every possible key combination that I have found posted has been tried with my 120 which uses version 4.04E. On the back of this BLUE machine it indicates it is a MIVO 200 DET2. All I want to do is change the email settings. Later.

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-2038647301-1114800360=:80587-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50670 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2005 21:53:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2005 21:53:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2005 21:53:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2005 21:53:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2005 21:53:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 21:53:34 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: baffled is what baffled does X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 918 Lines: 33 > I think it is just [FUNCTION] [D] and [power on] > for the 150 & 120. Revise that to: [FUNCTION] [D] and [plug in power cord] *or* [FUNCTION] [D] and [press reset] The power button will not work (like it does to put older models in test mode). > You should get a menu, with > "reset default acct" as an option. > > Poking the reset button might be a lot easier than > pulling the power (and might even work with batteies in). > > After picking "reset default acct", you answer Y, and almost > immediately poke reset (or yank power cord). The trick is > to let it run just long enough to erase the old acct, but > not long enough to finish re-writing the default acct info. > > IIRC, it is only a fraction of a second between the "yes" > and when it writes the default account info, so the > "sweet spot" that you need to catch it at is *very* short. > You will likely need to try many times. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: gaylejanzen@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17576 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2005 22:22:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2005 22:22:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53101.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.204) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2005 22:22:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 29124 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Apr 2005 22:22:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Message-ID: <20050429222238.29122.qmail@...> Received: from [24.183.23.165] by web53101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:22:38 PDT Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:22:38 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1178575266-1114813358=:28786" X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Gayle Janzen Subject: Oh Yes X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=221440080 X-Yahoo-Profile: gaylejanzen Status: RO Content-Length: 1236 Lines: 17 --0-1178575266-1114813358=:28786 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii IT WORKED IT WORKED...why this time after so many tries? I think I wasn't hitting the NO CLEAR on the final menu.Whatever...I think I'll stop and pick up a couple more for $9.00 just for the heck of it. THANK YOU THANK YOU and for all all the rest of you FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS to the LETTER. Thanks. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1178575266-1114813358=:28786 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

IT WORKED IT WORKED...why this time after so many tries? I think I wasn't hitting the NO CLEAR on the final menu.Whatever...I think I'll stop and pick up a couple more for $9.00 just for the heck of it. THANK YOU THANK YOU and for all all the rest of you FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS to the LETTER. Thanks.

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X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47555 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2005 22:23:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Apr 2005 22:23:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2005 22:23:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2005 22:23:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.69] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Apr 2005 22:23:19 -0000 Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 22:23:18 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1114311320.25892.1138.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: CamelForth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 888 Lines: 29 > > Is anyone waiting for the fixed version?) > > I'd like a new version :-) That's one of the reasons I've > been poking around with WP-2 instead of MS, I know you > said there are some bugs in the released code. When I said that last Saturday, I thought it was ready... Then, before uploading, I thought I might actually test it! The new flash code was working "pretty good", but when flashing large blocks, it would sometimes get a timeout error. This was quite puzzling, because until then, the laplink code had been working flawlessly. It took me quite a while to figure out just *what* was happening, and then even longer to understand *why*. I'm pretty sure I have it fixed now. I will do some more testing tonight, and if all goes well, I'll upload it. (This is just a fix to ver 0.0.2, not the "next version", so it is still just for the older models.) -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: mikewarns@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86185 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2005 04:01:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2005 04:01:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2005 04:01:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 04:01:36 -0000 Received: from [209.73.170.222] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 04:01:36 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 04:01:35 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "mikewarns" Subject: Should I buy a 120 or 150? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91580299 X-Yahoo-Profile: mikewarns Status: RO Content-Length: 711 Lines: 16 If I want to hack it, that is. My Office Max has a pile of both so, after comparing appearance (identical), features (identical), and price (identical), I bought a 150 on its merits of having a bigger box and a higher model number. It's going off to Mom, anyway, if it passes the ease of use and setup tests (ie: my brother can set it up, a critical test since this is the guys who has caused Mom to not be on the internet because he can't manage to pull a busted modem and pop in a new one), but I want one for my own self to, you know, PLAY with. I searched this forum and found few clues to the difference beyond suspicions that it is in the software. Is one model better for hacking than the other? From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20870 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2005 04:08:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2005 04:08:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.24) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2005 04:08:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 18010 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2005 04:08:45 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 30 Apr 2005 04:08:45 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 21:09:51 -0700 Message-Id: <1114834191.25892.1615.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: CamelForth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 354 Lines: 13 On Fri, 2005-04-29 at 22:23 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > (This is just a fix to ver 0.0.2, not the "next version", so > it is still just for the older models.) So what are the changes to the new rev? Bugfixes only? In any event that should allow me to get CamelForth going. Might have to render characters myself, but that isn't too hard. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16318 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2005 06:27:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2005 06:27:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail21.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.23) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2005 06:27:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 820 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2005 06:27:59 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail21.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 30 Apr 2005 06:27:59 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 23:29:06 -0700 Message-Id: <1114842546.25892.1671.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Should I buy a 120 or 150? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 1337 Lines: 30 On Sat, 2005-04-30 at 04:01 +0000, mikewarns wrote: > If I want to hack it, that is. My Office Max has a pile of both so, > after comparing appearance (identical), features (identical), and > price (identical), I bought a 150 on its merits of having a bigger box > and a higher model number. It's going off to Mom, anyway, if it > passes the ease of use and setup tests (ie: my brother can set it up, > a critical test since this is the guys who has caused Mom to not be on > the internet because he can't manage to pull a busted modem and pop in > a new one), but I want one for my own self to, you know, PLAY with. > > I searched this forum and found few clues to the difference beyond > suspicions that it is in the software. Is one model better for > hacking than the other? > > I have a 150 and a DET-1. The 150 can probably be loaded with new software througn reflash on the parallel port since it uses the same protocol as the older units. Unfortunately there's nothing safe to flash to the 150 just yet. For the DET-1 there is though. Same goes for the 120 from what I understand. The problem at the moment isn't really the model # on the unit, it's the version of firmware that's installed on it. Some things have moved around in newer versions relative to where mboot expects things to be. Soon hopefully. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 49028 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2005 12:34:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2005 12:34:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2005 12:34:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 12:34:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 12:34:52 -0000 Date: 30 Apr 2005 12:34:51 -0000 Message-ID: <1114864491.7981.76959.w120@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to mailstation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 581 Lines: 28 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the mailstation group. File : /Mailbug/mailbug-0.0.2a.ZIP Uploaded by : cyranojones_lalp Description : Mailbug ver 0.0.2a - Mailstation debugger You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/files/Mailbug/mailbug-0.0.2a.ZIP To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, cyranojones_lalp From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36317 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2005 13:29:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2005 13:29:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2005 13:29:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 13:29:33 -0000 Received: from [209.73.170.223] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 13:29:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 13:29:32 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1114834191.25892.1615.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: CamelForth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 2124 Lines: 57 > > (This is just a fix to ver 0.0.2, not the "next version", so > > it is still just for the older models.) > > So what are the changes to the new rev? Bugfixes only? "load", "save" and "verify" should all work properly now. They each had the same problem with address calculations. (Apparently, when I modified them to use 32 bit address, I didn't really test the change.) Load only loads into RAM, but save should be able to save the protected pages of the codeflash to disk. Codeflash erase and write ("erase" & "zap") are working fine now, too. Writing codeflash is quite a bit slower now, due to the fact that flash algorithm runs on the PC now, not on the mailstation. It takes 35 seconds to flash a 16k page, versus 4.2 seconds with older method. I have another method in mind that would be much faster. (maybe in future revision???) After I figured out what was wrong with old method (using code in same rom you are writing is not allowed), I was gonna add flash erase and flash write commands into mbug. Then I realized that the flash algorithm could be implemented on either side of the laplink cable. So I moved it over to the mailbug side. It is slower now, because the flash commands have to be sent to the codeflash for each byte over the laplink. Most (all???) of the commands now can be cancelled with esc key. Several minor changes, that I can't think of right now. There is a new .zip file with (hopefully) all the files you need. You need at a minimum the new mailbug.exe, and the matching mbug.rom. They should work fine with the old mboot.rom if you already flashed it. You should be able to unzip it on top of the old files. I added scancode.hex, and a newer version of hello.rom. The "crunch.dat" file may be newer, too (not sure). crunch.dat holds the type info for the disassembler. I started making up some instructions for how to use it, but I haven't got very far with it yet. If anyone has questions, just ask. Oh, yeah, I added a "blank check" for codeflash, but forgot to add it to the menu. It's ctrl-b and it will prompt for which pages to check. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: apple2ebeige@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13067 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2005 16:21:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2005 16:21:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n31.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.60) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2005 16:21:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n31.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 16:21:15 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.81] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 16:21:15 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 16:21:15 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "apple2ebeige" Subject: Re: CamelForth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=178882009 X-Yahoo-Profile: apple2ebeige Status: RO Content-Length: 192 Lines: 12 Could somebody say what mailbug works with now amongst the various MSxx0, DETx, and firmware models? What models may work in the future? What models might never work? Thanks. -Dave From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98335 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2005 17:26:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2005 17:26:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.29) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2005 17:26:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 8994 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2005 17:26:39 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 30 Apr 2005 17:26:39 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 10:27:52 -0700 Message-Id: <1114882072.25892.1685.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: CamelForth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 2532 Lines: 61 On Sat, 2005-04-30 at 13:29 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > > > (This is just a fix to ver 0.0.2, not the "next version", so > > > it is still just for the older models.) > > > > So what are the changes to the new rev? Bugfixes only? > > "load", "save" and "verify" should all work properly now. They > each had the same problem with address calculations. (Apparently, > when I modified them to use 32 bit address, I didn't really test > the change.) Load only loads into RAM, but save should be able to > save the protected pages of the codeflash to disk. Cool. > Codeflash erase and write ("erase" & "zap") are working fine > now, too. Writing codeflash is quite a bit slower now, due > to the fact that flash algorithm runs on the PC now, not on > the mailstation. It takes 35 seconds to flash a 16k page, > versus 4.2 seconds with older method. I have another method > in mind that would be much faster. (maybe in future revision???) > > After I figured out what was wrong with old method (using code > in same rom you are writing is not allowed), I was gonna add > flash erase and flash write commands into mbug. Then I realized > that the flash algorithm could be implemented on either side of > the laplink cable. Of course it can, but besides being slow as you've found, it is probably not the safest way to do it. If the connection breaks during burn (more likely since it takes longer) you could end up, say, with a half-programmed boot block. Or is this code intended only for burning outside of the boot block? Probably the best thing would be to a) download a checksummed chunk of manageable size b) checksum it c) if it matches, burn it in. > So I moved it over to the mailbug side. It > is slower now, because the flash commands have to be sent to the > codeflash for each byte over the laplink. > > Most (all???) of the commands now can be cancelled with esc key. > Actually flash block burns should probably not be interruptible. > Several minor changes, that I can't think of right now. > > There is a new .zip file with (hopefully) all the files > you need. You need at a minimum the new mailbug.exe, and > the matching mbug.rom. They should work fine with the old > mboot.rom if you already flashed it. You should be able to > unzip it on top of the old files. I added scancode.hex, and > a newer version of hello.rom. The "crunch.dat" file may be > newer, too (not sure). crunch.dat holds the type info for > the disassembler. Can it be used to update existing mbug.rom? -- John. 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X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56757 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2005 17:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2005 17:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.47) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2005 17:34:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n18.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 17:34:00 -0000 Received: from [209.73.170.222] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 17:34:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 17:34:00 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: CamelForth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 666 Lines: 30 > Could somebody say what mailbug works with now amongst the > various MSxx0, DETx, and firmware models? The old brown non ergonomic case models, firmware ver 2.22r, 2.53yr, 2.54. These old models before the mailstation/mivo 100 did not have a "number". Possibly some of the mailstation/mivo 100 with firmware 3.xx??? I think John H. flashed one of those and it worked. > What models may work in the future? I expect that sooner or later, all up to 250. They are all quite similar. > What models might never work? 350. It has different cpu (not z80). AFAIK, nobody is working on it. Esentially would be a different project from this one. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72573 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2005 17:49:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2005 17:49:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2005 17:49:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 17:49:06 -0000 Received: from [209.73.170.215] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 17:49:06 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 17:49:05 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Should I buy a 120 or 150? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 3335 Lines: 84 > If I want to hack it, that is. My Office Max has a pile of both so, > after comparing appearance (identical), features (identical), and > price (identical), I bought a 150 on its merits of having a bigger > box and a higher model number. At this point, it is known that the current mboot.rom does *not* work with the NEW 150's. I expect it also does not work with the old 150's, or the 120 (old & new) or the 200 or 250. And if it doesn't work, and you flash it anyhow, you will need a soldering iron and a prom programmer to fix it. I expect that the flood of these models from Officemax will mean a new version sometime in the near (???) future, that works with the 120 & 150 (I bought a pile of them myself.) For now, it works with the real-old brown non-ergonomic case models, in particular firmware versions 2.22r, 2.53yr, and 2.54. I think also one of the 3.somethin' models is known to work. I would only use it with one of the firmware versions known to work, and wait for a new mboot.rom for any un-tried firmware versions. Now, maybe you are wondering what I mean, "old & new"? Well, I opened up a few of them, and there are at least two different circuit boards in both the 120 & 150. The major difference I can see is that the newer 120/150's have a different LCD. It has a distinctly blue tint to it (the dark pixels), where the older one was black. And it is not just the color, it has fewer conductors in it's cable. The cpu/ram/codeflash/dataflash looks to be the same in all that I have opened. The modem circuitry is definitely different from old to new. The old 120 & old 150 use identical hardware, as far as I can tell. The new 120 & new 150 are also identical (almost), but diferent from the older. The only differnce I can see between the new 120 & the new 150, is the part# on the main PCB, and where the Underwriters Lab logo is placed. And of course, the firmware is different in all four. From my small sample, it appears that the old 120's are in the thinner boxes (approx 2.5" thick), the case is violet (or purple???), and they say "MIVO 200 CIDCO MODEL DET2" on the bottom of case. Box sez "DET1E", same as new 120 box. (I think they reflashed mivo 200's, and called them "mailstation 120".) Black LCD. The new 120's are in the bigger box (approx 5" thick), and the case is dark grey (top is same color as the bottom), and it says "MAILSTATION 120 EARTHLINK MODEL DET1E" on bottom. And they have the new blue LCD. I only have one "old 150", and I think it was in a thin box (this is the one I got fall 2003, free after rebate at officemax). Black LCD, says "MIVO 150 CIDCO MODEL DET1B" on bottom. (hardware essentially the same as Mivo 200 or the old 120.) All the 150's I saw at officemax this month were in big boxes, and the couple I opened were "new" models, with blue LCD. On bottom: "MAILSTATION 150 EARTHLINK MODEL DET1D". > I searched this forum and found few clues to the difference beyond > suspicions that it is in the software. Is one model better for > hacking than the other? Bottom line is that there are only slight differences in the hardware between *any* of the models up to 200. It's just a matter of finding time to get around to the newer models. If you want to start playing today, you should use one of the oldest models. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80731 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2005 19:32:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2005 19:32:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2005 19:32:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 19:32:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 19:32:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 19:32:44 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1114882072.25892.1685.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: CamelForth X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 3648 Lines: 97 > > After I figured out what was wrong with old method (using code > > in same rom you are writing is not allowed), I was gonna add > > flash erase and flash write commands into mbug. Then I realized > > that the flash algorithm could be implemented on either side of > > the laplink cable. > > Of course it can, but besides being slow as you've found, it > is probably not the safest way to do it. If the connection breaks > during burn (more likely since it takes longer) you could end up, > say, with a half-programmed boot block. That is a very good point, that I had not considered. The first reason I thought of for doing it this way was to remove the possibility of accidently erasing/flashing, which was a problem in the past. :-) The second reason was that it was way easier to code it in Pascal than z80 assembler! ;^) > Or is this code intended only for burning > outside of the boot block? Right up until the last moment, I had locked out the ability to erase the boot blocks. I wanted to add a special function that would erase and reflash the boot code all in one operation. But I compromised in the spirit of just getting it uploaded. So now it issues a "stern warning" if you ask it to erase boot code. You can only continue by typing "I dont't care" at the prompt. :^O > Probably the best thing would be to a) download a checksummed chunk > of manageable size b) checksum it c) if it matches, burn it in. Sounds reasonable to me. Maybe even send a whole 16k page, in the case of the boot block, and then let it burn it all at once. > > Most (all???) of the commands now can be cancelled with esc key. > > Actually flash block burns should probably not be interruptible. They're not, at least after you let it start. But if you hit the key for, say, erase (or load, or save, etc.), when it is asking you *what* to erase (load, save ,etc.), you can just skip it. I do want to add the ability to abort some commands without finishing (for instance blank checking all 64 codeflash pages can get tiresome). But reflashing of the boot block would definitely be one you would not want to be interruptable. > Can it be used to update existing mbug.rom? (I know you mean mboot.rom, I can't keep them straight myself, and I named them!) Yes. But you will have to answer the warning with "I don't care" (including the ' in don't) to erase the old mboot.rom, and then flash the new - _without_rebooting_mbug! But the neat thing about it is you should seldom need to reflash a new mboot.rom. That is why it is seperated into mbug and mboot. Mbug is a file on the PC disk, that gets loaded over the laplink to mailstation RAM. It is what the debugger (mailbug) uses to interface to mailstation. It is a trivial matter to make change to mbug, reassemble, and test. If you made a mistake, no problem, it's just in RAM. Edit, assemble, and try again. Mboot is the part that is flashed into mailstation. It's only job is to run when mailstation reboots, and load the current mbug into ram. We need a better mboot.rom for the 120/150 etc. Eventually, I want to split the code that runs on the mailstation into three parts: 1) Seldom changing boot code (mboot.rom), either loads mbug, or executes rom monitor if not connected to PC (mailbug). 2) Changeable-without-fear-of-hosing rom-monitor, that runs automatically when not connected to mailbug. 3) Latest greatest interface to debugger (mbug.rom, but it is not really burned to rom) If this doesn't make any sense, it is probably due to the fact that I have been up since yesterday. I really need to sleep now... -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: c5687ef4580423904ba368b215a992a0@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17194 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2005 22:58:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2005 22:58:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2005 22:58:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 22:58:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2005 22:58:38 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 22:58:36 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "c5687ef4580423904ba368b215a992a0" Subject: Corrupted settings - model 120 v4.05e firmware X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=147002626 X-Yahoo-Profile: c5687ef4580423904ba368b215a992a0 Status: RO Content-Length: 757 Lines: 27 Most of my settings are y'd out. It's a funky y with two dots on top, just above the raised arms. so far my reply to address has that, but the primary dns is blank. other settings appear normal. auto check mail is no auto check time is at 2 am call waiting is no ignore dial tone is no and speaker is yes My 120 wasn't hackable via any other means. I decided to yank power just after hitting 'save' settings. hehe oops. It's not resetting to factory defaults now. I guess I toasted it :) any idea if there's a jtag testing point on these buggers? Also, what GNU/GPL tools can be used with this? I've used the avr micro compiler to build firmware for atmels before. (c code to intel hex files). Thanks. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12222 invoked from network); 1 May 2005 01:54:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2005 01:54:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.24) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2005 01:54:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 25226 invoked from network); 1 May 2005 01:54:36 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 1 May 2005 01:54:36 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 18:55:53 -0700 Message-Id: <1114912553.25892.1725.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Corrupted settings - model 120 v4.05e firmware X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 1121 Lines: 39 On Sat, 2005-04-30 at 22:58 +0000, c5687ef4580423904ba368b215a992a0 wrote: > Most of my settings are y'd out. It's a funky y with two dots on top, > just above the > raised arms. so far my reply to address has that, but the primary dns > is blank. other > settings appear normal. > > auto check mail is no > auto check time is at 2 am > call waiting is no > ignore dial tone is no > and speaker is yes > > My 120 wasn't hackable via any other means. I decided to yank power > just after hitting > 'save' settings. hehe oops. It's not resetting to factory defaults > now. I guess I toasted it > :) > > any idea if there's a jtag testing point on these buggers? I'd suggest using mailbug. With it you can reflash the unit over the serial port with whatever you want. You could just use mailbug or burn NoICE in there. > Also, > what GNU/GPL tools can > be used with this? I've used the avr micro compiler to build > firmware for atmels before. > (c code to intel hex files). sdcc comes to mind. Probably others. More public domain or freeware stuff than gpl... -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: c5687ef4580423904ba368b215a992a0@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5654 invoked from network); 1 May 2005 05:04:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 May 2005 05:04:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2005 05:04:45 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2005 05:04:33 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.87] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 May 2005 05:04:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 05:04:33 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1114912553.25892.1725.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "c5687ef4580423904ba368b215a992a0" Subject: I reset my ms120 to *my* settings!!!! Was: Corrupted settings - model 120 v4.05e X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=147002626 X-Yahoo-Profile: c5687ef4580423904ba368b215a992a0 Status: RO Content-Length: 2094 Lines: 66 hold down function d, don't let go reset via the reset switch release after you see a menu select Restore Default Account Just as you're confirming Yes (enter) disconnect power. Upon reapplication of power, the unit will post with a memory check, and throw a msg saying you need to setup the account. (one time it said memory corruption). After reconfiguring my pop3 server (I own my own ppp gear and mail servers, among other things) I'll have to see what else happens. :) but from verbose debug logs, the mail server is catching the login, but it refuses the client because it truncates the email address when logging in, and I'm mass vhosting email... anyway, thanks! whaouuUUuuu! =) =) =) --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > On Sat, 2005-04-30 at 22:58 +0000, c5687ef4580423904ba368b215a992a0 > wrote: > > Most of my settings are y'd out. It's a funky y with two dots on top, > > just above the > > raised arms. so far my reply to address has that, but the primary dns > > is blank. other > > settings appear normal. > > > > auto check mail is no > > auto check time is at 2 am > > call waiting is no > > ignore dial tone is no > > and speaker is yes > > > > My 120 wasn't hackable via any other means. I decided to yank power > > just after hitting > > 'save' settings. hehe oops. It's not resetting to factory defaults > > now. I guess I toasted it > > :) > > > > any idea if there's a jtag testing point on these buggers? > > I'd suggest using mailbug. With it you can reflash the unit over the > serial port with whatever you want. > > You could just use mailbug or burn NoICE in there. No need now! wahou! > > > Also, > > what GNU/GPL tools can > > be used with this? I've used the avr micro compiler to build > > firmware for atmels before. > > (c code to intel hex files). > > sdcc comes to mind. Probably others. More public domain or freeware > stuff than gpl... Linux friendly stuff works for me. > > -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: mikewarns@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59680 invoked from network); 2 May 2005 15:11:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2005 15:11:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2005 15:11:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2005 15:10:34 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2005 15:10:34 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 15:10:31 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "mikewarns" Subject: Re: Should I buy a 120 or 150? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91580299 X-Yahoo-Profile: mikewarns Status: RO Content-Length: 989 Lines: 21 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Cyrano Jones" wrote: > From my small sample, it appears that the old 120's are in the > thinner boxes (approx 2.5" thick), the case is violet > (or purple???), and they say "MIVO 200 CIDCO MODEL DET2" > on the bottom of case. Box sez "DET1E", same as new 120 box. > (I think they reflashed mivo 200's, and called > them "mailstation 120".) Black LCD. The 120s my Officemax has are in a shallower box while the 150s are in a deeper box. By all appearances, I cannot begin "playing" today, whichever I buy for myself, but more people appear to have 120s so I'm assuming that will be the first to get the new mboot.rom. Therefore, since there doesn't appear to be any compelling reason to buy a 150, on my way home from work I will buy a couple shallow-box 120s, one for playing and one for family email since my wife objects to anybody in the house actually using any of our computers ("You just waste time!"). From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 71713 invoked from network); 2 May 2005 17:01:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2005 17:01:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.223) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2005 17:01:42 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.171.132]) by priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20050502170130.SJXZ28279.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 11:01:30 -0600 Message-ID: <006301c54f38$672ea440$84ab74ce@...> To: References: Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 09:55:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Should I buy a 120 or 150? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 369 Lines: 16 ----- Original Message ----- From: "mikewarns" .... > one for family email since my wife objects to anybody in > the house actually using any of our computers ("You just waste time!"). Isn't that the purpose of computers? BTW, it is possible to reprogram the MailStation at least in part by email, so if we could figure out that trick ..... ! N From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7065 invoked from network); 2 May 2005 21:09:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2005 21:09:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.20) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2005 21:09:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2005 21:08:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2005 21:08:56 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 21:08:55 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: safeboot.rom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 836 Lines: 27 I've been working on a new mboot for the unknown firmware mailstations today, and I just flashed the first version of "safeboot.rom" into a 150 v4.05D. I have control of the 150 now, and can load code and execute it. I can't display anything on the LCD, but I expected there to be some differences, since it is a different display that the older ones had. I loaded my scancode.hex program, and it blinks the mail LED when I press keys. :-) I haven't really studied it yet, but large parts of the page #00 rom code look identical to the older models. The code in the LCD routine area is definitely different. I have to quit for now, but I might get back to this later tonight. I want to test it on some other models, and maybe make some changes, but I don't expect it will be long before I can upload a new version. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: mikewarns@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29509 invoked from network); 2 May 2005 21:37:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2005 21:37:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.16) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2005 21:37:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2005 21:37:16 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2005 21:37:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 21:37:14 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "mikewarns" Subject: Re: safeboot.rom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=91580299 X-Yahoo-Profile: mikewarns Status: RO Content-Length: 430 Lines: 15 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Cyrano Jones" wrote: > I've been working on a new mboot for the unknown > firmware mailstations today, and I just flashed > the first version of "safeboot.rom" into a 150 v4.05D. Okay, I guess I'll buy two 150s on my way home. I'm nothing if not adaptable! :-) Thanks, Cyrano! I appreciate you doing this work so I don't have to learn how to do it myself. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25976 invoked from network); 2 May 2005 21:42:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2005 21:42:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.24) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2005 21:42:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 20214 invoked from network); 2 May 2005 21:42:49 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 2 May 2005 21:42:49 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 14:43:05 -0700 Message-Id: <1115070186.25892.1822.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] safeboot.rom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 334 Lines: 13 On Mon, 2005-05-02 at 21:08 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > I've been working on a new mboot for the unknown > firmware mailstations today, and I just flashed > the first version of "safeboot.rom" into a 150 v4.05D. Awesome :-) Given that you're going to be inundated with folks buying 120's and 150's this is a big step! -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95247 invoked from network); 2 May 2005 22:20:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2005 22:20:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2005 22:20:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2005 22:20:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2005 22:20:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 22:20:31 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: safeboot.rom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 838 Lines: 29 > I have to quit for now, but I might get back to this later > tonight. I want to test it on some other models, Ok, I lied. I'm still messing with it. My curiosity once again won, and I flashed the clunky first version into a violet/purple 120 (old) v4.04E. It works!!! And the LCD works same as in old brown model. :-) I also flashed a dark grey 120 (new) v4.05E, and it works similar to the "new" 150. No display yet. Now where is that 250, I know I left it around here somewhere.... Maybe later. In case anyone just got here, don't flash the mboot.rom from mailbug ver 0.0.2a into any of the 120/150/250 models, it will not work. And to prevent any misunderstanding, there is NO software to flash yet, just the debugger. And for the time being, any new software will likely be programmed in z80 assembler. -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 12282 invoked from network); 2 May 2005 22:29:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2005 22:29:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.55) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2005 22:29:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n26.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2005 22:29:05 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.68] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2005 22:29:05 -0000 Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 22:29:04 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: safeboot.rom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407 X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 622 Lines: 23 > > I've been working on a new mboot for the unknown > > firmware mailstations today, and I just flashed > > the first version of "safeboot.rom" into a 150 v4.05D. > > Okay, I guess I'll buy two 150s on my way home. I'm nothing if not > adaptable! :-) Gosh, I don't really know which to advise right now. I expect both will work fine soon, but for now the "new" LCD requires some additional work before we can use it. But the newer one might look better??? Or at least it looks bluer! > Thanks, Cyrano! I appreciate you doing this work so I don't have to > learn how to do it myself. :-) :-) :-) -- CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: nitchimon@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 17896 invoked from network); 4 May 2005 22:13:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2005 22:13:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2005 22:13:49 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2005 22:13:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2005 22:13:39 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 22:13:38 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050418142836.4AD9F1414A@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "nitchimon" Subject: Re: Steps to change ISP information for MS120 (includes earthlink flavor) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=119673242 X-Yahoo-Profile: nitchimon Status: RO Content-Length: 1795 Lines: 51 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Randy Prothero" wrote: > >I believe that Earthlink 'locked' them to prevent changing ISPs. Until we > >can dump and/or alter the ROM we are stuck. > > I have the MS120 (same one from Office Max for $9) and have success in unlocking it. > > To do it: > > 1. Remove batteries - they must be out to do this! > 2. Prepare AC adapter for use to power the mailstation. You will need to be able to quickly and easily disconnect it.. > 3. press (and hold) [FUNCTION] [SHIFT] [D] and power on. A menu should appear. > 4. Select *Restore Email Defaults" from the menu. Press Enter. It will prompt "are you sure? YES / NO" > 5. As soon as you press YES, you need to quickly interrupt the power to the unit-- corrupting the user account information in flash. > ** Step #5 takes some tries-- dont give up, keep trying! > 6. If you got it right, you can power up and select "NO Clear" (if a menu appears) and you should see "Press OK to configure a user account" > 7. Once you press Enter, you will get to put in the login info (name/password, etc) .. > > Sadly, you must go thru this to change it after, so let someone patient do it for you.. I have done it, and it works! did it, reset, started smoking... it started shaking.. and a picture of Bill Gates came on the screen.... It said "I'm sorry this is not an approved Microsoft product"... ok back to reality... I think the keybaord is perfect for applications, ta heck with hacking it. has anyone figured out the internal cable coordination so this might be used for somethign else? This is just perfect. I have the MS120 and 15 from Officemax. It really woudl be nice to short this and c9orrect the memory so its forced to reset... anyone think abotu that? enjoy. Nitch. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: nitchimon@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30142 invoked from network); 4 May 2005 22:25:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2005 22:25:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2005 22:25:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n24.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2005 22:25:36 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2005 22:25:36 -0000 Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 22:25:34 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "nitchimon" Subject: Information MS-150 xtnd 4.05d X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=119673242 X-Yahoo-Profile: nitchimon Status: RO Content-Length: 647 Lines: 30 I followed the instructions that were posted in the file on April 23, 2005. The TOP of the file said : If you press Function + d (on the MS 150, V4.04D) and press the hard reset button (with a paper clip) you'll get a slightly different menu dialog (the "Reset System Data" menu) after the memory scan? You have to keep holding Function + d after the reboot to see it. The menu shows an additional item: "Restore Default Account". DO IT!!! Be quick when selecting YES and WHAM! it works! Got ALL of the network settings to reset also !!! I can NOW use it with my ISP. Fantastic!!! THANK YOU !!!!! Enjoy!! Nitchimon From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: nguyentt103@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 1790 invoked from network); 12 May 2005 16:21:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2005 16:21:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.36) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2005 16:21:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2005 16:20:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2005 16:20:58 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 16:20:57 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: "nguyentt103" Subject: Re: Information MS-150 xtnd 4.05d X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=139795799 X-Yahoo-Profile: nguyentt103 Status: RO Content-Length: 210 Lines: 6 I got the same MS-150 xtnd 4.05d but the trick does not work. I following the instruction but this is what I got. "Memorry error! Do you want to fix it? " Yes or No still reset the account to mailstation. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: nguyentt103@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 13336 invoked from network); 12 May 2005 16:39:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2005 16:39:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2005 16:39:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2005 16:39:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2005 16:39:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 16:39:08 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: "nguyentt103" Subject: Re: Information MS-150 xtnd 4.05d X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=139795799 X-Yahoo-Profile: nguyentt103 Status: RO Content-Length: 64 Lines: 4 Got it to work just the timing must be just right. It work ! From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jstevewhite@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30687 invoked from network); 12 May 2005 21:08:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2005 21:08:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2005 21:08:08 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2005 21:08:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 May 2005 21:08:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 21:08:07 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Steve White" Subject: N00b question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=96568859 X-Yahoo-Profile: jstevewhite Status: RO Content-Length: 485 Lines: 14 Just bought one of the infamous $9.00 MS120s; had gotten as far as identifying the chips involved when I found this group and discovered that a lot of my work had been done for me. Anybody got any input on the idea of using the MS120 as a serial console for headless Linux machines? Does the CXNT modem chip need rs232 inputs? There has to be VT100 code for Z80s out there somewhere. It would be a STUNNINGLY useful piece of equipment in that role... Any ideas? Steve From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68527 invoked from network); 12 May 2005 22:27:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 May 2005 22:27:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wproxy.gmail.com) (64.233.184.192) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2005 22:27:48 -0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so916351wri for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 15:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.51.5 with SMTP id y5mr1355957wry; Thu, 12 May 2005 15:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.84.14 with HTTP; Thu, 12 May 2005 15:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 15:27:48 -0700 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: John Hogerhuis From: John Hogerhuis Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] N00b question X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 911 Lines: 31 On 5/12/05, Steve White wrote: > Just bought one o= f the infamous $9.00 MS120s; had gotten as far as > identifying the chips= involved when I found this group and > discovered that a lot of my work = had been done for me. Anybody got > any input on the idea of using the MS= 120 as a serial console for > headless Linux machines? Does the CXNT mode= m chip need rs232 inputs? > There has to be VT100 code for Z80s out there= somewhere. It would be > a STUNNINGLY useful piece of equipment in that = role... > I think CJ has done some stuff with bit banging a serial port= using the parallel port. But you'll need to add a level converter at least= . Also for cheap slabtops that make good terminals out-of-the-box there's = the Tandy WP-2, the Tandy 10x, Tandy 200, the Amstrad NC100, or the Cambrid= ge Z88 (with the serial port rewired to standard ideally). -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: gaylejanzen@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65236 invoked from network); 14 May 2005 21:22:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 May 2005 21:22:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53105.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.208) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2005 21:22:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 94249 invoked by uid 60001); 14 May 2005 21:22:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Message-ID: <20050514212220.94247.qmail@...> Received: from [24.196.43.141] by web53105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 14 May 2005 14:22:20 PDT Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 14:22:20 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1948154118-1116105740=:94148" X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Gayle Janzen Subject: ISP options? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=221440080 X-Yahoo-Profile: gaylejanzen Status: RO Content-Length: 1501 Lines: 18 --0-1948154118-1116105740=:94148 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Now that I have blank fields, I've been looking for a email service. Any suggestions? Thanks. And keep it as simple and stupid as possible...as I've read the various posts I see there are people in this group WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more advanced than I on this whole thing. As I've tried to do the research myself I can't figure out which email services will work and which won't. 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Now that I have blank fields, I've been looking for a email service. Any suggestions? Thanks. And keep it as simple and stupid as possible...as I've read the various posts I see there are people in this group WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more advanced than I on this whole thing. As I've tried to do the research myself I can't figure out which email services will work and which won't. I think I'm smart enough to know that the 'web based' ones won't. Again, any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out! --0-1948154118-1116105740=:94148-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: kborawski@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30477 invoked from network); 15 May 2005 19:44:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 May 2005 19:44:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.174.88) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2005 19:44:15 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 15 May 2005 12:44:14 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.207 by BAY103-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 15 May 2005 19:44:14 +0000 X-Originating-Email: [kborawski@...] X-Sender: kborawski@... To: References: <1116153495.788.33997.m16@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 15:44:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2005 19:44:14.0416 (UTC) FILETIME=[79387500:01C55986] X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "KBorawski" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Digest Number 105 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=55697130 X-Yahoo-Profile: kborawski Status: RO Content-Length: 1725 Lines: 59 I use all2easy.net $4.95 per month no setup, I switched from access4free when they closed. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 6:38 AM Subject: [mailstation] Digest Number 105 > There is 1 message in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. ISP options? > From: Gayle Janzen > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 14:22:20 -0700 (PDT) > From: Gayle Janzen > Subject: ISP options? > > Now that I have blank fields, I've been looking for a email service. Any > suggestions? Thanks. And keep it as simple and stupid as possible...as > I've read the various posts I see there are people in this group > WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more advanced than I on this whole thing. As I've tried > to do the research myself I can't figure out which email services will > work and which won't. I think I'm smart enough to know that the 'web > based' ones won't. Again, any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > --------------------------------- > Discover Yahoo! > Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out! > > [This message contained attachments] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 1037 Lines: 32 You need a dial up service which offers POP/SMTP mail. Juno/NetZero offers "Free Internet Access and Email" for 10 hours each month however it may be that this system won't work except on a PC. If you only use it for a MailStation this should be plenty since you'll run about 3 minutes per day. http://my.juno.com/s/signup?platinum=N&cf=default&group=free Others are http://www.affinitypath.com/cgi-mod/mi/welcome.cgi?nav=register_free&cb=6122 Just search for (free dial up email) Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: Gayle Janzen Now that I have blank fields, I've been looking for a email service. Any suggestions? Thanks. And keep it as simple and stupid as possible...as I've read the various posts I see there are people in this group WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more advanced than I on this whole thing. As I've tried to do the research myself I can't figure out which email services will work and which won't. I think I'm smart enough to know that the 'web based' ones won't. Again, any help would be greatly appreciated. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jichikawa@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78277 invoked from network); 16 May 2005 04:22:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2005 04:22:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2005 04:22:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2005 04:22:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2005 04:22:21 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 04:22:21 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "ajiyoshi" Subject: What do you do with your mailstation? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=127456326 X-Yahoo-Profile: ajiyoshi Status: RO Content-Length: 935 Lines: 28 Hello, I have a blue Mailstation 150 that I picked up at Office Max for $9. Last night I tried the "Ctrl + D, reset button & power off" method of modifying the ISP info and it works great. Thanks to all of you for your effort and for sharing your results with us! Initially I was hoping to use the Mailstation to monitor my incoming email (from the kitchen or wherever.) But then I realized that the Mailstation most likely will delete messages from the email server after retrieving them. That's not good - I want all my messages on my main computer, and I don't want to lose any photos people might send. So now I'm thinking of other ways I can use it: - to send quick text messages without using my main computer - to write/send memos to myself - I can use it pretty much anywhere since it's so portable - for spare parts What about everyone else? Have you discovered any handy uses for your Mailstation? Thanks! Jeff From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41888 invoked from network); 16 May 2005 05:02:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2005 05:02:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.224) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2005 05:02:46 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.171.132]) by priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20050516050244.OONZ15451.priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Sun, 15 May 2005 23:02:44 -0600 Message-ID: <007e01c559d4$712f6f00$84ab74ce@...> To: References: Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 21:54:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] What do you do with your mailstation? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 349 Lines: 14 ----- Original Message ----- From: "ajiyoshi" > Initially I was hoping to use the Mailstation to monitor my incoming > email (from the kitchen or wherever.) But then I realized that the > Mailstation most likely will delete messages from the email server > after retrieving them. I believe that's an option you can set. Neil From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6588 invoked from network); 16 May 2005 16:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2005 16:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail21.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.23) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2005 16:44:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 6095 invoked from network); 16 May 2005 16:44:04 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail21.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 16 May 2005 16:44:04 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 09:44:18 -0700 Message-Id: <1116261858.17723.466.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] What do you do with your mailstation? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186 X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 405 Lines: 15 On Mon, 2005-05-16 at 04:22 +0000, ajiyoshi wrote: > What about everyone else? Have you discovered any handy uses for your > Mailstation? Hoping to use it as a cheaper/faster/cheesier Model 100 programmable in Forth or C. I have a start on a Forth, but more work to do still. I use vintage laptops everyday, the mailstation is probably faster and has more storage space than any of them. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: k5fni@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20409 invoked from network); 16 May 2005 19:49:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2005 19:49:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.58) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2005 19:49:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n29.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2005 19:48:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2005 19:48:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 19:48:40 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Richard Herndon" Subject: Re: Digest Number 105 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203982406 X-Yahoo-Profile: rehfni Status: RO Content-Length: 756 Lines: 24 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "KBorawski" wrote: > I use all2easy.net $4.95 per month no setup, I switched from access4free > when they closed. So, do you just do the magic settings shown with the multi-key Mailstation setup, pay your $4.95 and sign in? I already have service in my home town, but I'm considering buying the $4.95 service you mention for my computer-illiterate cousin in San Angelo out in west Texas and my completely technophobic mother in Austin. I see both places have numbers, as does my current place of domicile in Ganado. This service looks cool, if that's all there is to it. Can either of the two then advance to 'normal' 56k access with a PC on the same service/price? Thanks in advance, Rick K5FNI From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: gaylejanzen@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 76971 invoked from network); 16 May 2005 21:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 May 2005 21:58:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web53101.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.204) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2005 21:58:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 84911 invoked by uid 60001); 16 May 2005 21:58:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Message-ID: <20050516215820.84909.qmail@...> Received: from [68.112.106.191] by web53101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 May 2005 14:58:20 PDT Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 14:58:20 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-555593056-1116280700=:83566" X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Gayle Janzen Subject: another service provider X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=221440080 X-Yahoo-Profile: gaylejanzen Status: RO Content-Length: 1508 Lines: 19 --0-555593056-1116280700=:83566 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii THanks for the input re services that are available. I found another one, . They picture a MailStation on one of their pages and I emailed them with some questions and they responded within 24 hours. They appear to have a LOT of dialup numbers. I've used mine as a word processor that I'm not afraid to toss into the corner or fall off the back seat or get bumped off the table onto the floor. They seem pretty durable. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. --0-555593056-1116280700=:83566 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
THanks for the input re services that are available. I found another one, . They picture a MailStation on one of their pages and I emailed them with some questions and they responded within 24 hours. They appear to have a LOT of dialup numbers. I've used mine as a word processor that I'm not afraid to toss into the corner or fall off the back seat or get bumped off the table onto the floor. They seem pretty durable.

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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2005 23:21:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 May 2005 23:21:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 23:21:55 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <007e01c559d4$712f6f00$84ab74ce@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "ajiyoshi" Subject: Re: What do you do with your mailstation? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=127456326 X-Yahoo-Profile: ajiyoshi Status: RO Content-Length: 598 Lines: 27 Hi Neil, If you find this option could you let me know? I looked through all of the Mailstation 150 menus and couldn't find it. Thanks! Jeff --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Morrison" wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ajiyoshi" > > > Initially I was hoping to use the Mailstation to monitor my incoming > > email (from the kitchen or wherever.) But then I realized that the > > Mailstation most likely will delete messages from the email server > > after retrieving them. > > I believe that's an option you can set. > > Neil From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89927 invoked from network); 17 May 2005 05:20:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 May 2005 05:20:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.240) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2005 05:20:48 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.171.132]) by priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20050517051945.HNYB5876.priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 23:19:45 -0600 Message-ID: <003401c55aa0$09d2bc00$84ab74ce@...> To: References: Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 22:11:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] What do you do with your mailstation? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 277 Lines: 15 On mine it's the second option "Save message copy on Server". Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "ajiyoshi" > Hi Neil, > > If you find this option could you let me know? I looked through all > of the Mailstation 150 menus and couldn't find it. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jichikawa@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 50676 invoked from network); 18 May 2005 03:02:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 May 2005 03:02:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2005 03:02:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2005 03:01:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 May 2005 03:01:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 03:01:00 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003401c55aa0$09d2bc00$84ab74ce@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "ajiyoshi" Subject: Re: What do you do with your mailstation? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=127456326 X-Yahoo-Profile: ajiyoshi Status: RO Content-Length: 1143 Lines: 55 My guess is that I must have a different firmware version than yours. The Settings window looks like this: Settings XTND: On V4.05D. -------------------------------------------------- User Name: Dial-Up No: Reply-To: Email Address: -------------------------- Automatically Check Mail < > Auto Check Time __:__ Do you have call waiting ? < > Ignore dial tone when dialing ? < > -------------------------- Battery Status: xxx Current Time: xx:xx The User Settings ("Details") window looks like this: User Name: Dial-Up No: Reply To: --------------------------- E-Mail Address: E-Mail Password: POP3 Server: SMTP Server: ISP Account: ISP Password: Primary DNS: What firmware version do you have? Thanks, Jeff --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Morrison" wrote: > > On mine it's the second option "Save message copy on Server". > > Neil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ajiyoshi" > > > > Hi Neil, > > > > If you find this option could you let me know? I looked through all > > of the Mailstation 150 menus and couldn't find it. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... 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X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100 X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 231 Lines: 15 I have a Mivo 100 (1999) Version 2.55Y Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "ajiyoshi" > My guess is that I must have a different firmware version than yours. > The Settings window looks like this: ... From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: k5fni@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68609 invoked from network); 19 May 2005 15:08:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2005 15:08:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2005 15:08:17 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2005 15:08:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 May 2005 15:08:04 -0000 Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 15:08:04 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Richard Herndon" Subject: MS200/MS120 At OfficeMax: need to get mail stuff changed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203982406 X-Yahoo-Profile: rehfni Status: RO Content-Length: 1249 Lines: 47 I see lots of stuff on this list for 100, 120, etc. But my local (Victoria TX) store has the MS200/DET2 machines (which strangely come up with the screen saying it is a "MailStation 120"). I have 4 reserved **IF** I can change the email data. I've been trying this morning to use the Function-D Push in the reset with a toothpick Pull out the power I do see a different menu, but now what? Normal reset menu: Heading: Reset System Data then No Clear Clear E-Mail Data Clear Address Book Data Clear All Data When I do the Function-D dance shown above, I get a menu that is: Heading: Reset System Data then Restore Default Account Clear E-Mail Data Clear Address Book Data Clear All Data Now what? I can NEVER get it to come up with a set of input solicitations that ask me for the email info I really need to push into the machine. Another query: What if I fix this one and send it to a computer illiterate cousin or my ditto mother? Will the info hold? Or will I require them to mail it back every time the batteries go flat? How often must the complicated maneuver be repeated in 'normal' use? I know that is really more than one query, but I'm holding off on a 60-mile round trip pending the answers. Hayelp, pliz. Rick K5FNI Ganado TX From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: bmarcum@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90446 invoked from network); 19 May 2005 23:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 May 2005 23:20:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rdsmtp.iglou.com) (192.107.41.63) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2005 23:20:47 -0000 Received: from [192.107.41.39] (helo=iglou4.iglou.com) by rdsmtp.iglou.com with esmtp (8.12.5/8.12.5) id 1DYuJL-0002mb-FP for mailstation@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 19 May 2005 19:20:15 -0400 Received: from [204.255.238.151] (helo=don.localnet) by iglou4.iglou.com with esmtp (8.12.5/8.12.5) id 1DYuJJ-0002mR-9t for mailstation@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 19 May 2005 19:20:15 -0400 Received: by don.localnet (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A0F3D41B0; Thu, 19 May 2005 18:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 18:10:05 -0400 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <20050519221005.GB3786@...> Mail-Followup-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: bmarcum@... (Bill Marcum) From: bmarcum@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] MS200/MS120 At OfficeMax: need to get mail stuff changed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2511197 X-Yahoo-Profile: billmkatt Status: RO Content-Length: 1566 Lines: 49 On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 03:08:04PM -0000, Richard Herndon wrote: > I see lots of stuff on this list for 100, 120, etc. But my local > (Victoria TX) store has the MS200/DET2 machines (which strangely come > up with the screen saying it is a "MailStation 120"). I have 4 > reserved **IF** I can change the email data. I've been trying this > morning to use the > Function-D > Push in the reset with a toothpick > Pull out the power > > I do see a different menu, but now what? > > Normal reset menu: > Heading: Reset System Data > then > No Clear > Clear E-Mail Data > Clear Address Book Data > Clear All Data > > When I do the Function-D dance shown above, I get a menu that is: > Heading: Reset System Data > then > Restore Default Account > Clear E-Mail Data > Clear Address Book Data > Clear All Data > > Now what? > I can NEVER get it to come up with a set of input solicitations that > ask me for the email info I really need to push into the machine. > Choose "Restore Default Account" and "Yes". The instructions said to press Enter and immediately pull the plug, but I found that it works if you press Enter and reset. > Another query: > What if I fix this one and send it to a computer illiterate cousin or > my ditto mother? Will the info hold? Or will I require them to mail it > back every time the batteries go flat? How often must the complicated > maneuver be repeated in 'normal' use? > I'm not sure, maybe someone else knows. Try taking the batteries out and letting it sit for a few days. -- Test-tube babies shouldn't throw stones. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: nguyentt103@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83710 invoked from network); 21 May 2005 22:18:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2005 22:18:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51109.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.130) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2005 22:18:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 3480 invoked by uid 60001); 21 May 2005 22:18:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Message-ID: <20050521221846.3478.qmail@...> Received: from [69.155.211.4] by web51109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 21 May 2005 15:18:45 PDT Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 15:18:45 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: tam nguyen Subject: Re: [mailstation] MS200/MS120 At OfficeMax: need to get mail stuff changed X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=139795799 X-Yahoo-Profile: nguyentt103 Status: RO Content-Length: 2124 Lines: 75 It all about the timing. You have to get it just right when you try to corrupt the flash memory. You got to do it right after it delete the old data and before it write new data back to the flash memory. You may have to try 10 ... 20 time. Good luck, --- bmarcum@... wrote: > On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 03:08:04PM -0000, Richard > Herndon wrote: > > I see lots of stuff on this list for 100, 120, > etc. But my local > > (Victoria TX) store has the MS200/DET2 machines > (which strangely come > > up with the screen saying it is a "MailStation > 120"). I have 4 > > reserved **IF** I can change the email data. I've > been trying this > > morning to use the > > Function-D > > Push in the reset with a toothpick > > Pull out the power > > > > I do see a different menu, but now what? > > > > Normal reset menu: > > Heading: Reset System Data > > then > > No Clear > > Clear E-Mail Data > > Clear Address Book Data > > Clear All Data > > > > When I do the Function-D dance shown above, I get > a menu that is: > > Heading: Reset System Data > > then > > Restore Default Account > > Clear E-Mail Data > > Clear Address Book Data > > Clear All Data > > > > Now what? > > I can NEVER get it to come up with a set of input > solicitations that > > ask me for the email info I really need to push > into the machine. > > > Choose "Restore Default Account" and "Yes". The > instructions said to > press Enter and immediately pull the plug, but I > found that it works if > you press Enter and reset. > > > Another query: > > What if I fix this one and send it to a computer > illiterate cousin or > > my ditto mother? Will the info hold? Or will I > require them to mail it > > back every time the batteries go flat? How often > must the complicated > > maneuver be repeated in 'normal' use? > > > I'm not sure, maybe someone else knows. Try taking > the batteries out > and letting it sit for a few days. > > > -- > Test-tube babies shouldn't throw stones. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: nguyentt103@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21192 invoked from network); 21 May 2005 22:21:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 May 2005 22:21:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51106.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.38.148) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2005 22:21:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 64147 invoked by uid 60001); 21 May 2005 22:21:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Message-ID: <20050521222137.64145.qmail@...> Received: from [69.155.211.4] by web51106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 21 May 2005 15:21:36 PDT Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 15:21:36 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: tam nguyen Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: What do you do with your mailstation? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=139795799 X-Yahoo-Profile: nguyentt103 Status: RO Content-Length: 1669 Lines: 77 It all about the timing. You have to get it just right when you try to corrupt the flash memory. You got to do it right after it delete the old data and before it write new data back to the flash memory. You may have to try 10 ... 20 time. Good luck, --- ajiyoshi wrote: > My guess is that I must have a different firmware > version than yours. > The Settings window looks like this: > > Settings XTND: On V4.05D. > -------------------------------------------------- > User Name: > Dial-Up No: > Reply-To: > Email Address: > -------------------------- > Automatically Check Mail < > > Auto Check Time __:__ > Do you have call waiting ? < > > Ignore dial tone when dialing ? < > > -------------------------- > Battery Status: xxx Current Time: > xx:xx > > > The User Settings ("Details") window looks like > this: > > User Name: > Dial-Up No: > Reply To: > --------------------------- > E-Mail Address: > E-Mail Password: > POP3 Server: > SMTP Server: > ISP Account: > ISP Password: > Primary DNS: > > What firmware version do you have? > > Thanks, > Jeff > > --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Morrison" > > wrote: > > > > On mine it's the second option "Save message copy > on Server". > > > > Neil > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "ajiyoshi" > > > > > > > Hi Neil, > > > > > > If you find this option could you let me know? > I looked through all > > > of the Mailstation 150 menus and couldn't find > it. > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: markfu14@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 27797 invoked from network); 27 May 2005 03:07:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 May 2005 03:07:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2005 03:07:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2005 03:06:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.72] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 May 2005 03:06:46 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 03:06:45 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "markfu14" Subject: Can receive email but can send. X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=132669495; y=hJCBVy4DOdrNjBRByuGR07kVYexCYIphD5RgLDArvPtzCIU X-Yahoo-Profile: markfu14 Status: RO Content-Length: 554 Lines: 13 I have a black 120 v4.0SE I have it configured with my POP3 yahoo account. Changing the settings took me a couple of minutes using the great advice from here, but I can't send email. I keep getting a message saying that the server is busy and to try again later. But I can wait and wait but still get the same message. All of my information is correct including the SMTP. Does anyone know of any issues that exist with yahoo. I have a premier yahoo account and have enabled POP3. Doesn't make sense that I can receive and not send. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68524 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2005 20:01:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Jun 2005 20:01:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2005 20:01:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2005 20:01:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jun 2005 20:01:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 20:01:20 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: The Yahoo option X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100; y=oxrvX9r_TI4kc-u2gOKXL4ZP_5F_fLw43VzAHZLU8bdpjzKMjA X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 244 Lines: 10 In Photos > All Albums > Photo Albums > Yahoo Extras I have posted scans of what you see when you receive the Yahoo special 'messages'. Too bad they dumped this service. Perhaps we can figure out how these messages were formatted one day? From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: hunter_az@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 93961 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2005 02:42:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2005 02:42:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54309.mail.yahoo.com) (68.142.225.151) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2005 02:42:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 10289 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jun 2005 02:42:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20050606024212.10287.qmail@...> Received: from [68.111.114.67] by web54309.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 19:42:12 PDT Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 19:42:12 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Anthony Z." Subject: Re: [mailstation] The Yahoo option X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167022906; y=G22DCtqQRfmuPrV92M-9mS62tHvHacU7m150egNgAr9djMCJ X-Yahoo-Profile: nightmare_sun Status: RO Content-Length: 521 Lines: 18 From what I understood it wasnt exactly dumped, just not supported. (they would set you up, but if you didnt get them oh well). I do belive that it comes as some sort of attachment to an e-mail. If you know someone who gets them, go to their earthlink webmail and you should be able to view the source of the e-mail. I dont have any samples, just saw it once :( __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7136 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2005 08:12:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2005 08:12:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2005 08:12:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2005 08:12:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2005 08:12:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2005 08:12:50 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 08:12:50 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: The Yahoo option X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=mmxFwpQnq2yWePsAqrIHcywiS5s3w2YzwjSWUJ5_nuMhDiLpCPu0cbLwhg X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1384 Lines: 43 > I have posted scans of what you see when you receive the Yahoo > special > 'messages'. Too bad they dumped this service. Perhaps we can figure > out how these messages were formatted one day? Cool, I was wondering what the yahoo data looked like. I have several ms's with the yahoo feature, but none with any data saved. I do have one with the MyCidco feature, and data for tv & weather, and it looks almost identical, (where yours says "yahoo", mine says "mycidco"). The format for the data screens looks the same. It seems a sure bet now that they really are the same feature (and underlying mechanisms are same). Oh yeah, the date of the info saved in mine is Jan 6, 2005. If anybody here has an account with these features active, it would be great if you could capture one of the "clipmail" messages (I am assuming that is how data is sent), and post it here. The big question is whether they use the "security key" with this data. The data for the mycidco tv & weather is stored in the first two pages of the dataflash, and it's stored as *executable* code. That means if we figure out how to load tv listings, we know how to execute arbitrary code. See Message 282 for everything I know about the format of the mycidco data in the dataflash. If you hit the reply button while viewing msg 282, the column formating will be fixed in the reply window. --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 99804 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2005 09:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2005 09:17:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.41) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2005 09:17:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2005 09:17:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2005 09:17:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 09:17:47 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: safeboot.rom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=AJ4loVwlaqLC9Xj2rSZQ-_RdDBzWKUqvjzj5K46aOCc6y3N-YTeEj0TC0A X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1140 Lines: 36 > both will work fine soon, but for now the "new" LCD requires some > additional work before we can use it. But the newer one might look > better??? Or at least it looks bluer! I have uploaded mailbug Version 0.0.3, and it works with the new LCD in the latest models. I have not tried it on the older models, but I expect it works with them too. I actually have only installed the current "sboot.rom" on one unit, a "new" 120 with ver 4.05e firmware. If anyone installs it, please post to list what model/firmware version of mailstation, and if there was any problem (I don't expect any). I still have not seen the code inside of the 200 or 250, but I am going on the assumption that it is similar enough that sboot.rom will work with them, but you never know. I would suggest that if wrecking a mailstation would ruin your whole day (or make you want to sue someone), that you probably should not be flashing *anything* into it. I am uploading as separate files this time, mainly so I can upload the part that is ready, and the rest later. I have a draft of a user manual almost ready, but I haven't uploaded it yet. --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 98483 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2005 11:16:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Jun 2005 11:16:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.48) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2005 11:16:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2005 11:16:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jun 2005 11:16:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 11:16:19 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: mailbug user guide X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=LdUMrszd87HXyBTMGtu1iJuwurUziXZnXvS7OKCT4pvd7S_gufBnWS-oGw X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 331 Lines: 17 OK, I uploaded a first draft. Files > Mailbug > mailbug_0.0.3 > Mailbug_User_Guide.doc is probably easier to read, if the proportional font is part of the doc format???? There is a plain text version too, but the fixed font skews some of the text. Let me know what I forgot, or anything that needs more explanation. --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: kat_skan@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 83341 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2005 06:17:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2005 06:17:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2005 06:17:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2005 06:17:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2005 06:17:40 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 06:17:40 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "kat_skan" Subject: Re: safeboot.rom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113074088; y=h4et9t3VID-GDnE9bBsv9Lgg2jqa2PKh5--uJzSvOwvczOw X-Yahoo-Profile: kat_skan Status: RO Content-Length: 1715 Lines: 42 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Cyrano Jones" wrote: > > both will work fine soon, but for now the "new" LCD requires some > > additional work before we can use it. But the newer one might look > > better??? Or at least it looks bluer! > > I have uploaded mailbug Version 0.0.3, and it > works with the new LCD in the latest models. > I have not tried it on the older models, but > I expect it works with them too. I actually have > only installed the current "sboot.rom" on one > unit, a "new" 120 with ver 4.05e firmware. > > If anyone installs it, please post to list > what model/firmware version of mailstation, and > if there was any problem (I don't expect any). Well, I've got another 120/4.05e that's now displaying "Welcome to Mbug!" and cheerfully ignoring the power button, so I guess I can report it works on the platform you already know it works on. Seems like Mailbug has a tendency to just lock up whenever anything unusual happens, though. The first time I tried reading the SN I had the lpt port disabled in the BIOS, and Mailbug hung with a timeout error. Second time was actually after it finished sboot.rom. That locked it with no message of any kind. Now I just need to figure out how to get my own code on the thing. If I understand things correctly, I need to: * Create a new project by copying the mbug directory * Use as80 to assemble my .rom * Set the (w)orkfile and (l)oad it into RAM * (g)oto the address where I loaded the .rom Am I missing anything? And would you mind pointing out any good things to avoid doing while I figure out how everything works? This looks like it'll be fun. Thanks for getting this working with the newer firmware. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 26515 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2005 12:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2005 12:51:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.38) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2005 12:51:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2005 12:50:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.92] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2005 12:50:30 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 12:50:27 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: safeboot.rom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=5BvRR_Qb0ZyygJb0lDzvJBTUDxA51K0zkgRsapliZYpb1TDk0GQotqu9gw X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 6151 Lines: 164 > Well, I've got another 120/4.05e that's now displaying "Welcome to > Mbug!" and cheerfully ignoring the power button, so I guess I can > report it works on the platform you already know it works on. Great! I'd actually be happy to hear from anyone who uses it, whichever mailstation they are using, known to work already, or not. > Seems > like Mailbug has a tendency to just lock up whenever anything > unusual > happens, though. The first time I tried reading the SN I had the lpt > port disabled in the BIOS, and Mailbug hung with a timeout error. > Second time was actually after it finished sboot.rom. That locked it > with no message of any kind. Speaking of having the port enabled, I tried (under win 98) disabling the win 98 LPT1 driver, thinking the direct port access might conflict. It didn't work at all. Apparently win 98 is trapping the port writes, and using it's driver to do the actual i/o. You need the driver in win 98 too (but only if you are running under win98, of course. Driver is probably already enabled if you have a parallel port.) There are a number of things that will get you caught in timeout hell. This is an area that I know needs work. I am aware that new users will probably stumble into it, where I manage too avoid it, just because I know these roads a little better. A real old joke comes to mind, patient: "Doctor, it hurts when I do *this*" doctor: "don't do *that*!" (that'll be a $100) I don't know if I can detect that the port is not enabled, but I will take a look at what happens after writing sboot.rom, and see if I can see the hangup. I know that in the very first version of sboot, there definitely was a problem there, but I thought it was fixed. But, I have only gone through the whole procedure once with current sboot. It probably is a good idea to use the "reboot" command (3 on pc keyboard) after writing sboot.rom (after leaving the "update mode"). Which brings up a question, do you remember if you ever got a prompt back after sboot was done flashing? Also, do you remember if the mail LED on mailstation was lit after flashing sboot? The mail LED will be lit whenever sboot is waiting for a command, and off after sboot exec's mbug. The problem might be that the flash code is waiting for the *mailstation* code to reboot (and we erased it, and sboot is what we should look for after the flash). I probably should change it so you are bounced out of the update mode automatically after flashing sboot, because *nothing* in the update mode menu will work after you've erased the original mailstaion code. After sboot is flashed, the bootup sequence should go like this: 1)After any reboot (pc keybd, ms reset button, or jp #0000) sboot waits for a command, with LED on. Then, if you give mailbug a command that requires mbug be running, mailbug will load mbug into ms RAM, and then execute it. (keyboard command "4" will explicitly load mbug). This is accomplished with a sequence of commands to sboot: 2)Mailbug issues a "load" command to sboot, which sboot executes, with LED off. 3)After receiving the first block of mbug code, and writing it to ms RAM, sboot waits for another command with LED on. 4)Mailbug issues another "load" command to sboot, which sboot executes, with LED off. For no real good reason, the load is done 1024 bytes per command, so it takes two loads to send the entire mbug. 5)After receiving the second block of mbug code, and writing it to ms RAM, sboot waits for another command with LED on. 6)Mailbug issues an "exec" command, which sboot executes, with LED off. 7)Previous command put mbug in control, so LED stays off. From sboot's perspective, command never finished, but that's ok, mailbug expects mbug to be in control now. Any further commands will be handled by mbug. The three commands happen so fast you will not see the LED flicker, it looks like LED just turns off. You can think of the LED as saying "welcome to sboot", as opposed to mbug's "welcome to mbug" message that is displayed on the LCD. Sboot only knows how to "load" and "exec". Mbug not only knows "load" & "exec", but also "unload", "iopoke", "iopeek", and a few more (like the breakpoint commands that will work again one day, I promise). > Now I just need to figure out how to get my own code on > the thing. If I understand things correctly, I need to: > * Create a new project by copying the mbug directory This is an area open to personal tastes. You can put your files anywhere you want. The "project" directory sets the default path, and also sets where the disassembler will look for comment files, and where dump files will be written. You can put all your programs in one project if you want, and you can even put them in the same project as your firmware files (assuming you even have the firmware files). You don't *need* any of the files from mbug directory in your project dir, but you might want to copy the assembler there, just so it's easy to find. I really hate ever setting something like that in the "path" environment variable. So I either copy as80 to the project dir, or use the path in any command invoking it. > * Use as80 to assemble my .rom > * Set the (w)orkfile and (l)oad it into RAM > * (g)oto the address where I loaded the .rom That's right. 4000 would be a good place to org your asm files. Then, assuming slot4000 was holding the RAM page you want, (I suggest ram pg #01,) l4000 followed by g4000. Ram pg #01 will be in slot4000 when mbug starts. If you don't do anything that changes it, you can use "4000" as the address. If you are not sure what is in slot4000, then use "1014000" (shorter way of saying "0101:4000") > Am I missing anything? And would you mind pointing out any > good things to avoid doing while I figure out how everything > works? Hmmmm.... Erasing the bootcode would be something to avoid. :-) Other than that, nothing comes to mind. Any questions are welcomed. > This looks like it'll be fun. Thanks for getting this > working with the newer firmware. More fun than a barrel of rubik cubes!!! --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: kat_skan@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91282 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2005 14:44:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2005 14:44:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2005 14:44:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2005 14:43:55 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2005 14:43:55 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 14:43:54 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "kat_skan" Subject: Re: safeboot.rom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113074088; y=ipfRD2y7h_erXPE1NG_2od7rmYSJWVBoWSRjHbUFFsg5K2o X-Yahoo-Profile: kat_skan Status: RO Content-Length: 4971 Lines: 112 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Cyrano Jones" wrote: > > Well, I've got another 120/4.05e that's now displaying "Welcome to > > Mbug!" and cheerfully ignoring the power button, so I guess I can > > report it works on the platform you already know it works on. > > Great! > > I'd actually be happy to hear from anyone who uses it, > whichever mailstation they are using, known to work already, or not. > > > Seems > > like Mailbug has a tendency to just lock up whenever anything > > unusual > > happens, though. The first time I tried reading the SN I had the lpt > > port disabled in the BIOS, and Mailbug hung with a timeout error. > > Second time was actually after it finished sboot.rom. That locked it > > with no message of any kind. > > Speaking of having the port enabled, I tried (under win 98) > disabling the win 98 LPT1 driver, thinking the direct port > access might conflict. It didn't work at all. Apparently > win 98 is trapping the port writes, and using it's driver > to do the actual i/o. You need the driver in win 98 too > (but only if you are running under win98, of course. Driver is > probably already enabled if you have a parallel port.) It's DOS, but there were two different mechanisms to disable the parallel port in the BIOS. One's a hardware setting, and the other a security option. I had the latter set for a while and didn't notice. I wonder if in that case the lpt port looks like it's there and is just inaccessable. Tonight I'll see if I get different results if the hardware itself is disabled. > There are a number of things that will get you caught in > timeout hell. This is an area that I know needs work. > I am aware that new users will probably stumble into it, > where I manage too avoid it, just because I know these > roads a little better. > > A real old joke comes to mind, > patient: "Doctor, it hurts when I do *this*" > doctor: "don't do *that*!" > (that'll be a $100) Actually, I tried this specificly because the manual said it wouldn't work. I figured reading the serial number would be a reasonably safe way to determine mailbug's failure mode. > I don't know if I can detect that the port is not enabled, > but I will take a look at what happens after writing sboot.rom, > and see if I can see the hangup. I know that in the very first > version of sboot, there definitely was a problem there, but I > thought it was fixed. But, I have only gone through the > whole procedure once with current sboot. Would it be any easier to just make the procedure more feedbackey? I couldn't really tell whether mailbug was actually hung, or stuck in a loop waiting for something that would never happen, or just on the fourth of five attempts of an operation with a fairly long timeout. > It probably is a good idea to use the "reboot" command > (3 on pc keyboard) after writing sboot.rom (after leaving > the "update mode"). Which brings up a question, do you > remember if you ever got a prompt back after sboot was > done flashing? When it finished writing it stayed in update mode, so I tried reading the SN again and had to reboot. I pulled the power to the mailstation at the same time, but in retrospect I should have tried communicating with it once mailbug was back up to see whether the software got into an unworkable state there, or if the problem was contained to the PC. > Also, do you remember if the mail LED on mailstation > was lit after flashing sboot? The mail LED will be lit > whenever sboot is waiting for a command, and off after > sboot exec's mbug. > > The problem might be that the flash code is waiting > for the *mailstation* code to reboot (and we erased it, > and sboot is what we should look for after the flash). It looked like the mailstation did reboot after the update. The display went blank, at any rate. I'm pretty sure the mail LED lit up, but I can't remember now whether that was after the update or after I power-cycled. > I probably should change it so you are bounced out of the > update mode automatically after flashing sboot, because > *nothing* in the update mode menu will work after you've > erased the original mailstaion code. It also might be helpful to automatically do something benign that would demonstrate that mailbug is still able to communicate with the mailstation now that sboot's in control. After the mailstation reboots, could mailbug (v)erify sboot automatically? > You don't *need* any of the files from mbug directory in > your project dir, but you might want to copy the > assembler there, just so it's easy to find. I really > hate ever setting something like that in the "path" > environment variable. So I either copy as80 to the > project dir, or use the path in any command invoking it. I assume I'll at least need mbug.rom if I want to use anything that requires it to be loaded. Or will mailbug find it even if I'm not using the default project? From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: kat_skan@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 91749 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2005 23:44:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jun 2005 23:44:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.61) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2005 23:44:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n8.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2005 23:44:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2005 23:44:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jun 2005 23:44:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 23:44:42 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "kat_skan" Subject: Re: safeboot.rom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113074088; y=9aeXgVLx3-WbnORVXJbtYdxRFokId18oZclSSHd62UO0U3c X-Yahoo-Profile: kat_skan Status: RO Content-Length: 2399 Lines: 56 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "kat_skan" wrote: > --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Cyrano Jones" > > Speaking of having the port enabled, I tried (under win 98) > > disabling the win 98 LPT1 driver, thinking the direct port > > access might conflict. It didn't work at all. Apparently > > win 98 is trapping the port writes, and using it's driver > > to do the actual i/o. You need the driver in win 98 too > > (but only if you are running under win98, of course. Driver is > > probably already enabled if you have a parallel port.) > > It's DOS, but there were two different mechanisms to disable the > parallel port in the BIOS. One's a hardware setting, and the other a > security option. I had the latter set for a while and didn't notice. > I wonder if in that case the lpt port looks like it's there and is > just inaccessable. Tonight I'll see if I get different results if the > hardware itself is disabled. Okay, here's my initial list of things mailbug doesn't like very much. On an unflashed Mailstation, get (S)erial number produced the following error when I had the cable unplugged, when I had the lpt hardware disabled, and when I had the lpt port locked using the security features of the BIOS. sendtribble: timeout waiting for ms to drop busy. (1) Pressing Esc recovered. Seems I neglected to try that when I was messing around yesterday. On the Mailstation that's running sboot, (S) produced a similar error and the email LED shut off. Esc still recovered, and I could r(3)boot from the main menu. sendtribble: timeout waiting for ms to send. (6) mailstation did not ACK the dataflash command (S) with mbug loaded was slightly more fun. I got the same error as when I tried it against sboot, and Esc still recovered, but when I tried to r(3)boot I got this: Hmmmm... The mailstation's "busy" signal is stuck high. That often means the laplink cable is not connected or that the mailstation is not powered receivetribble: timeout waiting for ms to strobe. 2 (3) receivetribble: timeout waiting for ms to strobe. 3 (3) getack2 sees the bail flag, and exits(false) while waiting for: $ *** Soft reset failed *** Hit mailstation reset button now. (or hit key to skip) Power-cycling the mailstation and lo(4)ding mbug recovered. I'll let you know if I manage to break it in a more interesting way. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 64839 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2005 11:19:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2005 11:19:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n21a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.50) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2005 11:19:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n21.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2005 11:18:14 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2005 11:18:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 11:18:14 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: safeboot.rom X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=26Y732MoghrUO2lJBsmgA1JRZhsq0PuNdRKOeY1WBT_sMux8q-g9QjfSiA X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 4935 Lines: 118 > > A real old joke comes to mind, > > patient: "Doctor, it hurts when I do *this*" > > doctor: "don't do *that*!" > > (that'll be a $100) > > Actually, I tried this specificly because the manual said > it wouldn't work. I figured reading the serial number would > be a reasonably safe way to determine mailbug's failure mode. I guess the manual was right! :-) The reason it doesn't work, is that mailbug's serial number read function is interacting with the stock mailstation's serial number read function. After you reflash, it is no longer a mailstation. Some of the low level mailstation code is still there, even the code that does the serial number read is still there. But it is no longer active, because the event loop that waits for the update commands is *gone*. I'll see what I can do to make it more obvious what's happening. > Would it be any easier to just make the procedure more > feedbackey? I couldn't really tell whether mailbug was > actually hung, or stuck in a loop waiting for something > that would never happen, or just on the fourth of five > attempts of an operation with a fairly long timeout. Most of the time, mailbug will timeout anytime it waits more than about a second. And any timeout will display an error message. There are a few cases where it is normal to wait more than a second, and if it is waiting one of those places, it could look hung. (Waiting for a command to complete in "update mode" is one of those places.) I think that all of those "long waits" can be aborted by just hitting key. But, you don't get a message to that effect, something I need to fix. > > It probably is a good idea to use the "reboot" command > > (3 on pc keyboard) after writing sboot.rom (after leaving > > the "update mode"). Which brings up a question, do you > > remember if you ever got a prompt back after sboot was > > done flashing? > > When it finished writing it stayed in update mode, so I > tried reading the SN again and had to reboot. I pulled the > power to the mailstation at the same time, but in retrospect > I should have tried communicating with it once mailbug was > back up to see whether the software got into an unworkable > state there, or if the problem was contained to the PC. Ok, I just tried it. There is a message on the screen: These functions require the original mailstation code be running, and a parallel laplink cable between the pc and the mailstation. This likely will not work anymore after you reflash, since the original mailstation code is erased when reflashing. but maybe it has scrolled off the top after you reflash? Just for kicks, I ignored message, and hit (serial num read). The program will wait forever for the sn read to finish. key aborts it ok, and then I hit to leave the update mode. Back in normal mode, I had to <3> (reboot), because sending the (sn read cmnd) to sboot left it in the middle of receiving a command. The shortest command sboot takes is 3 bytes, and the sn read only sends 1 byte before it waits for a response. I looked at the mailbug code, and for some reason I had used the "read with no timeout" function when asking the mailstation to enter the dataflash mode, in addition to the wait after reboot. I changed the wait on entering dataflash mode it to "read with timeout", and now trying to read sn on a mailstation with sboot gives 3 timeout errors (takes 3 seconds) and then you get the prompt back. I hope there was not a reason it was that way, that I just don't remember. It seems to work better now, so I will leave it changed. (I wrote the dataflash code over a year ago now, before I even started the codeflash routines.) > > I probably should change it so you are bounced out of the > > update mode automatically after flashing sboot, because > > *nothing* in the update mode menu will work after you've > > erased the original mailstaion code. > > It also might be helpful to automatically do something benign that > would demonstrate that mailbug is still able to communicate with > the mailstation now that sboot's in control. After the mailstation > reboots, could mailbug (v)erify sboot automatically? That's a real good idea. Thanks! And I suppose it may be good to verify on entry that the mailstation responds to the "update commands", so we know there it is not already reflashed. > I assume I'll at least need mbug.rom if I want to use anything that > requires it to be loaded. Or will mailbug find it even if I'm not > using the default project? Right, mailbug will find it, regardless of project dir. I have been in habit of using <3> <4> sequence (from the main mode) to verify communication with mbug. Actually just <4> will verify mbug is still there. The <3> will put you back to boot code (either sboot or mboot) and force mbug to reload. But it happens so fast, I usually just do both <3> <4>. --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62297 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2005 22:45:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2005 22:45:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2005 22:45:31 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2005 22:45:30 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2005 22:45:30 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 22:45:29 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Mbug has a bug X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=qEx23Q2ePIGoA88kAQbFdo0cuzgFvarvu2o-L8FpD811j5iFeRCtmr0_Ow X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 273 Lines: 13 I just noticed a minor bug, the welcome message does not display anymore on the older mailstations. It still works, just no message. If anyone is working with old ms, I can post fix for just that. Otherwise I will wait till I have a few more things worked out. --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88922 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2005 23:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Jun 2005 23:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.62) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2005 23:29:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2005 23:29:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2005 23:29:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2005 23:29:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 23:29:46 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: hello world X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=YsQmdSTpAWQF67b5wFpFgbOeag17Ob5vZDQVa5hifZZjKm4KdaRPHwwU-Q X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 439 Lines: 19 There is a new version of hello world. This one should display on either the new or old mailstations. There is a .bat file that has the command to assemble hello.asm to .hello.rom, with the necessary command line options. I uploaded both the source & bat as .txt, so they can be viewed with web browser. Files > Mailbug > mailbug_0.0.3 > hello http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/files/Mailbug/mailbug_0.0.3/ hello/ --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ygator@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 14772 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2005 05:20:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2005 05:20:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.58) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2005 05:20:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n29.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2005 05:20:23 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jun 2005 05:20:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:20:22 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "ygator" Subject: MS 150 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63329770; y=orOX5w_Htv9wbku8RYhA8CAzwJJDjTVzQ8eYI7llsAnw X-Yahoo-Profile: ygator Status: RO Content-Length: 356 Lines: 10 How do you make it so you can change the settings? I am able to Hold Function-D and hit the reset button to boot into the "Reset System Data" menu with and without the "Restore Default Account" option. I have selected "Restore Default Account" and answered Yes and tried No, but an unable to change the settings. Is there something I am missing? From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: bmarcum@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8872 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2005 19:09:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jun 2005 19:09:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rdsmtp.iglou.com) (192.107.41.63) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2005 19:09:26 -0000 Received: from [192.107.41.8] (helo=iglou2.iglou.com) by rdsmtp.iglou.com with esmtp (8.12.5/8.12.5) id 1Dko7h-0002V6-Cs for mailstation@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:09:25 -0400 Received: from [204.255.239.123] (helo=don.localnet) by iglou2.iglou.com with esmtp (8.12.5/8.12.5) id 1Dko7f-0005hD-GY for mailstation@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:09:25 -0400 Received: by don.localnet (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EA4194199; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:26:45 -0400 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <20050621122645.GC28477@...> Mail-Followup-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: bmarcum@... (Bill Marcum) From: bmarcum@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] MS 150 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2511197; y=wWjPzo_Fz0D9NZXwCMm6OyqH1yo0680Gd8GrFAU9e-Y-8ux6 X-Yahoo-Profile: billmkatt Status: RO Content-Length: 531 Lines: 15 On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 05:20:22AM -0000, ygator wrote: > How do you make it so you can change the settings? > > I am able to Hold Function-D and hit the reset button to boot into > the "Reset System Data" menu with and without the "Restore Default > Account" option. I have selected "Restore Default Account" and > answered Yes and tried No, but an unable to change the settings. Is > there something I am missing? > Answer yes and quickly press reset. -- "Hello, zeeba neighba!" --crocodile in "Pearls Before Swine" From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ygator@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 53311 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2005 01:39:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jun 2005 01:39:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.40) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2005 01:39:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2005 01:39:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2005 01:39:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:39:07 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050621122645.GC28477@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "ygator" Subject: Re: MS 150 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=63329770; y=gRDuQibARwwIqj_0DJ7yiK9AUL6A4wBKWbZCe_Yli1y2 X-Yahoo-Profile: ygator Status: RO Content-Length: 576 Lines: 17 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, bmarcum@i... wrote: > On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 05:20:22AM -0000, ygator wrote: > > How do you make it so you can change the settings? > > > > I am able to Hold Function-D and hit the reset button to boot into > > the "Reset System Data" menu with and without the "Restore Default > > Account" option. I have selected "Restore Default Account" and > > answered Yes and tried No, but an unable to change the settings. Is > > there something I am missing? > > > Answer yes and quickly press reset. Thanks, did it on the first try. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: k5fni@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 72352 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 03:40:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 03:40:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n4.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.69) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 03:40:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n4.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 03:40:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 03:40:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.75] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 03:40:07 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 03:40:06 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Richard Herndon" Subject: Attempt to use Netzero account with hacked MS failing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203982406; y=VmZ-mTCs8gih8CXC2EsoyAT2gfDjUeYcO2BWRycVE7uo X-Yahoo-Profile: rehfni Status: RO Content-Length: 1520 Lines: 45 Okay, I'm back with another question. Assistance pliz. I got through getting my own account set up okay (with my local ISP...he was sitting in the room while I set it up...we didn't have problems). I set up an account for my son (with NetZero), who will be the eventual recipient of the test machine. I filled out the material on the question screen (with appropriate x's where I don't want to say): == User Name: xxx Dial-Up No: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Reply-To: xxx@... E-Mail Address xxx@... E-mail Password: xxxxxxxxxxxx POP3 Server: pop.netzero.net SMTP Server: smtp.netzero.net ISP Account: xxx ISP Password: xxxxxxxxxxxx Primary DNS: 0.0.0.0 == I dial up the long distance number (there aren't any local to Ganado TX ) and get the obvious modem sounds, logging on report, then it hangs up and says that the service is unavailable or busy. I don't think it is busy. I'm concerned that I don't know the DNS numbers to plug in above. (Do I need them?) I'm also concerned that I just used the email prefix (in my case just three letters where I've shown xxx above) for the ISP Account and User Name information should go. Are these correct? I'm in the dark and can't really ask the free ISP any questions. Has anyone here actually set up a free NetZero account and been successful? If so, PLEASE help me out. Trying desperately to get my adult son to communicate frequently by email, as I know he leads a busy life and doesn't always just sit by the phone for my calls. Thanks in advance, Rick K5FNI Ganado TX From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 67271 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 03:42:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 03:42:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.52) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 03:42:38 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n23.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 03:42:31 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 03:42:31 -0000 Date: 24 Jun 2005 03:42:28 -0000 Message-ID: <1119584548.1367.99202.w103@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to mailstation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 527 Lines: 27 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the mailstation group. File : /mailstation.doc Uploaded by : rehfni Description : Explicit instructions for hacking CIDCO DET2 MIVO 200 You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/files/mailstation.doc To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, rehfni From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: k5fni@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16433 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 03:57:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 03:57:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 03:57:17 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 03:56:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 03:56:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 03:56:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 03:56:40 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Richard Herndon" Subject: File just uploaded: changed the filename X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203982406; y=PwCDwWZzFYP8fewDVtrOl4WMhYH2hzbGdqfCz8X2XCAq X-Yahoo-Profile: rehfni Status: RO Content-Length: 304 Lines: 13 If you click on the file I just uploaded, the name has changed, so you won't see it. You actually have to go to the file CIDCOHack.doc I thought naming it just Mailstation.doc wasn't quite good for the goup's folder use. It is okay on my machine to call it that. Sri bout that, Rick K5FNI Ganado TX From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 87037 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 04:59:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 04:59:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.24) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 04:59:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 1573 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 04:59:43 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail22.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 24 Jun 2005 04:59:43 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 22:00:37 -0700 Message-Id: <1119589238.23680.151.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Attempt to use Netzero account with hacked MS failing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=OccGyHwdr1F32eroQ9Ef5vHGfYh50BNPpKnJ-UuGuKjwHLiPYg X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 2428 Lines: 77 pop.netzero.net and smtp.netzero.net are DNS names, so presumably you will need a DNS address to resolve them. So I think you need to put one. Until you find it, you can try replacing the DNS names the actual IP addresses for the pop and smtp servers: smtp.netzero.net 64.136.29.92 pop.netzero.net 64.136.28.166 -- John. On Fri, 2005-06-24 at 03:40 +0000, Richard Herndon wrote: > Okay, I'm back with another question. Assistance pliz. > > I got through getting my own account set up okay (with my local > ISP...he was sitting in the room while I set it up...we didn't have > problems). I set up an account for my son (with NetZero), who will be > the eventual recipient of the test machine. I filled out the material > on the question screen (with appropriate x's where I don't want to > say): > == > User Name: xxx > Dial-Up No: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Reply-To: xxx@... > E-Mail Address xxx@... > E-mail Password: xxxxxxxxxxxx > POP3 Server: pop.netzero.net > SMTP Server: smtp.netzero.net > ISP Account: xxx > ISP Password: xxxxxxxxxxxx > Primary DNS: 0.0.0.0 > == > I dial up the long distance number (there aren't any local to Ganado > TX ) and get the obvious modem sounds, logging on report, then it > hangs up and says that the service is unavailable or busy. > > I don't think it is busy. I'm concerned that I don't know the DNS > numbers to plug in above. (Do I need them?) > I'm also concerned that I just used the email prefix (in my case just > three letters where I've shown xxx above) for the ISP Account and User > Name information should go. > > Are these correct? I'm in the dark and can't really ask the free ISP > any questions. Has anyone here actually set up a free NetZero account > and been successful? If so, PLEASE help me out. > > Trying desperately to get my adult son to communicate frequently by > email, as I know he leads a busy life and doesn't always just sit by > the phone for my calls. > > Thanks in advance, > Rick K5FNI > Ganado TX > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Groups Links > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/ > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > mailstation-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: mecram@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32653 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 12:27:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 12:27:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.203) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 12:27:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 19730 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 12:26:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (mecram@...@65.65.99.40 with login) by smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 12:26:55 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.323 [267.8.0]); Fri, 24 Jun 2005 07:26:53 -0500 Message-ID: <42BBFC0B.4010606@...> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 07:26:51 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: Milt Cram From: Milt Cram Subject: Re: [mailstation] Attempt to use Netzero account with hacked MS failing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=55290563; y=xZSYPopnfzy0YHX8ICcNxs_-0DRNe3o78DpsKZOAtQM X-Yahoo-Profile: w8nue Status: RO Content-Length: 2540 Lines: 73 Richard Herndon wrote: > Okay, I'm back with another question. Assistance pliz. > > I got through getting my own account set up okay (with my local > ISP...he was sitting in the room while I set it up...we didn't have > problems). I set up an account for my son (with NetZero), who will be > the eventual recipient of the test machine. I filled out the material > on the question screen (with appropriate x's where I don't want to > say): > == > User Name: xxx > Dial-Up No: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Reply-To: xxx@... > E-Mail Address xxx@... > E-mail Password: xxxxxxxxxxxx > POP3 Server: pop.netzero.net > SMTP Server: smtp.netzero.net > ISP Account: xxx > ISP Password: xxxxxxxxxxxx > Primary DNS: 0.0.0.0 > == > I dial up the long distance number (there aren't any local to Ganado > TX ) and get the obvious modem sounds, logging on report, then it > hangs up and says that the service is unavailable or busy. > > I don't think it is busy. I'm concerned that I don't know the DNS > numbers to plug in above. (Do I need them?) > I'm also concerned that I just used the email prefix (in my case just > three letters where I've shown xxx above) for the ISP Account and User > Name information should go. > > Are these correct? I'm in the dark and can't really ask the free ISP > any questions. Has anyone here actually set up a free NetZero account > and been successful? If so, PLEASE help me out. > > Trying desperately to get my adult son to communicate frequently by > email, as I know he leads a busy life and doesn't always just sit by > the phone for my calls. > > Thanks in advance, > Rick K5FNI > Ganado TX > > Rick, You do need the DNS numbers for the Mailstation to work. You should be able to determine them by normally logging onto NetZero with your PC. Then, while logged on, run IPCONFIG on the PC. The data that then appears on your screen should include the DNS number for NetZero. This should work unless NetZero is providing a "dynamic" DNS, which changes each time you log in.. Also, the ISP account and password should be the same as the email address and password, since you have only one account with NetZero. Also, be aware that Mailstation is limited to 8k bytes per email. Consequently, no images--just text. Hope this helps. If you need additional info, email me back, or contact Curt-W4QBU (we both have Mailstation 120s). Milt W8NUE Austin TX -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.0/27 - Release Date: 6/23/2005 From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: mecram@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 34189 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 13:45:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 13:45:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.204) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 13:45:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 56916 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 13:45:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (mecram@...@65.65.99.40 with login) by smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 13:45:28 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.323 [267.8.0]); Fri, 24 Jun 2005 08:45:26 -0500 Message-ID: <42BC0E74.7050505@...> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 08:45:24 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 X-eGroups-From: Milt Cram From: Milt Cram Subject: Re: [mailstation] Attempt to use Netzero account with hacked MS failing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=55290563; y=KKgk6j9YN3nXGraHxXR4SXxOku6gz7Qre7w88CgYLFU X-Yahoo-Profile: w8nue Status: RO Content-Length: 1923 Lines: 61 Richard Herndon wrote: > Okay, I'm back with another question. Assistance pliz. > > I got through getting my own account set up okay (with my local > ISP...he was sitting in the room while I set it up...we didn't have > problems). I set up an account for my son (with NetZero), who will be > the eventual recipient of the test machine. I filled out the material > on the question screen (with appropriate x's where I don't want to > say): > == > User Name: xxx > Dial-Up No: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Reply-To: xxx@... > E-Mail Address xxx@... > E-mail Password: xxxxxxxxxxxx > POP3 Server: pop.netzero.net > SMTP Server: smtp.netzero.net > ISP Account: xxx > ISP Password: xxxxxxxxxxxx > Primary DNS: 0.0.0.0 > == > I dial up the long distance number (there aren't any local to Ganado > TX ) and get the obvious modem sounds, logging on report, then it > hangs up and says that the service is unavailable or busy. > > I don't think it is busy. I'm concerned that I don't know the DNS > numbers to plug in above. (Do I need them?) > I'm also concerned that I just used the email prefix (in my case just > three letters where I've shown xxx above) for the ISP Account and User > Name information should go. > > Are these correct? I'm in the dark and can't really ask the free ISP > any questions. Has anyone here actually set up a free NetZero account > and been successful? If so, PLEASE help me out. > > Trying desperately to get my adult son to communicate frequently by > email, as I know he leads a busy life and doesn't always just sit by > the phone for my calls. > > Thanks in advance, > Rick K5FNI > Ganado TX > > Rick, One additional note for my previous response. When running IPCONFIG, use the /all switch (i.e. ipconfig/all) to get the DNS numbers. Milt W8NUE -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.0/27 - Release Date: 6/23/2005 From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: k5fni@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20452 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 15:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 15:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.45) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 15:44:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n16.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 15:44:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.89] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 15:44:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 15:44:40 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1119589238.23680.151.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Richard Herndon" Subject: Re: Attempt to use Netzero account with hacked MS failing-More help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203982406; y=ysb8qq0MGeMpv3LARZ428b4OZXi1_mOcovOkUD3hiBXQ X-Yahoo-Profile: rehfni Status: RO Content-Length: 2347 Lines: 73 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > pop.netzero.net > > and > > smtp.netzero.net > > are DNS names, so presumably you will need a DNS address to resolve > them. So I think you need to put one. > > Until you find it, you can try replacing the DNS names the actual IP > addresses for the pop and smtp servers: > > smtp.netzero.net 64.136.29.92 > pop.netzero.net 64.136.28.166 > > -- John. John, et al: I'm gonna have to quit doing stuff in the middle of the night with no sleep. ;) I REALLY signed him up with Juno.com instead of NetZero.net. I tried to follow your instructions, but got no results. Here's what I did: 1. I fixed the account setup in the MailStation from NetZero to Juno, though I didn't know I'd have to erase all I had in there to do so. It now reads: == User Name: xxx Dial-Up No: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Reply-To: xxx@n... E-Mail Address xxx@n... E-mail Password: xxxxxxxxxxxx POP3 Server: pop.juno.com SMTP Server: smtp.juno.com ISP Account: xxx ISP Password: xxxxxxxxxxxx Primary DNS: 0.0.0.0 == 2. I tried to get the DNS entry for the POP3 server at Juno.com from your instructions: I printed the results before connecting to Juno.com and after and they didn't vary. I am using DSL with a WiFi modem/router. I guess the command can't get through the router beyond my ISP's DNS address. ?? Maybe someone else can get the address for me. Sorry that I am unable to comply here. Lack of knowledge excels. ;) 3. I filled in the info as shown above and tried to send a test message with the same results. Now it is possible that the thing is actually busy, but the other time I tried it was VERY late at night. This time it is mid-morning in Austin, where I'm calling to. Another reason I don't think it is busy is that the device said it was "Logging In" and the bar graph went across and the modem shut up like it had actually connected and gotten beyond the handshaking stage. I'm tapping my fingers on the keys and trying to have patience. It has just been many years since I've actually had to mess with the vagaries and frustrations of modem comms. First, cable modem, then DSL have both really spoiled me to just being confident that I can just march in here and the machine is connected. Thanks in advance for your help and patience. 73, Rick K5FNI Ganado TX From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 470 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 16:43:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 16:43:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.29) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 16:43:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 9907 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 16:43:42 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 24 Jun 2005 16:43:42 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 09:44:42 -0700 Message-Id: <1119631482.23680.168.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Attempt to use Netzero account with hacked MS failing-More help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=zCGemayI9TQr4pg3-nfB8F7czvmkZcPQiOx9DZx6UbxtohNH4w X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 2762 Lines: 81 On Fri, 2005-06-24 at 15:44 +0000, Richard Herndon wrote: > John, et al: > > I'm gonna have to quit doing stuff in the middle of the night with no > sleep. ;) > > I REALLY signed him up with Juno.com instead of NetZero.net. > I tried to follow your instructions, but got no results. Here's what I > did: > 1. I fixed the account setup in the MailStation from NetZero to Juno, > though I didn't know I'd have to erase all I had in there to do so. > > It now reads: > == > User Name: xxx > Dial-Up No: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Reply-To: xxx@n... > E-Mail Address xxx@n... > E-mail Password: xxxxxxxxxxxx > POP3 Server: pop.juno.com > SMTP Server: smtp.juno.com > ISP Account: xxx > ISP Password: xxxxxxxxxxxx > Primary DNS: 0.0.0.0 > == > > 2. I tried to get the DNS entry for the POP3 server at Juno.com from > your instructions: I printed the results before connecting to Juno.com > and after and they didn't vary. I am using DSL with a WiFi > modem/router. I guess the command can't get through the router beyond > my ISP's DNS address. ?? Maybe someone else can get the address for > me. Sorry that I am unable to comply here. Lack of knowledge excels. > ;) > Well the IP addresses I gave will probably only work for the service you signed up for, so ignore the previous IP addresses. To get the DNS entry for Juno you can follow Milt's instructions. Just follow their instructions to get it to log in to juno from windows, and then run either ipconfig from command prompt (under Windows NT, W2K, or XP) or winipcfg from Windows 95, 98 or ME. This will give you the DNS address. If you have the DNS address you don't need to resolve the smtp and pop addresses by hand. The point of this is, smtp.juno.com and pop.juno.com are DNS names. For the mailstation to be able to send (smtp) or receive (pop) mail, it will have to talk to actual servers and their actual IP addresses. smtp.juno.com and pop.juno.com are not IP addresses. They are DNS names, and normally can be traded in to the DNS server for IP addresses. But in the example above, your DNS server IP is 0.0.0.0 so there is no chance of sending mail in this configuration. Now it is possible that the Mailstation could talk to the smtp server and pop server if it has the raw IP addresses. But it might not. Best thing is to put the DNS IP. Second best is to try again with JUNO's mail server addresses. If you just want to do a test without the DNS number, you might try resolving the pop.juno.com and smtp.juno.com on your desktop PC. Just open a ms-dos prompt and type ping pop.juno.com that will give you their pop Ip address and ping smtp.juno.com I got: PING pop.juno.com (64.136.20.167): 56 data bytes ... PING smtp.juno.com (64.136.21.93): 56 data bytes ... -- John. 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X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60709 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 19:03:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 19:03:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.224) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 19:03:28 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.171.132]) by priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20050624190327.UGBH9335.priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:03:27 -0600 Message-ID: <007a01c578ef$66be6dc0$84ab74ce@...> To: References: Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:00:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Attempt to use Netzero account with hacked MS failing X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100; y=Z2DyJTNt0kt5rmQj9Z8xNm9q_zBRMMahjHeym_wR9YJm5i7uFA X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 965 Lines: 29 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Herndon" > Okay, I'm back with another question. Assistance pliz. > > I got through getting my own account set up okay (with my local > ISP...he was sitting in the room while I set it up...we didn't have > problems). I set up an account for my son (with NetZero), who will be > the eventual recipient of the test machine. I suspect neither NetZero nor Juno will work. I used NetZero for a while, but it needed a Windows computer so it could put it's banner on the screen. Also, it was very difficult to get on as even if you had unused time there was some sort of limit on how many free users could be on the service at once. YMMV. http://www.netzero.net/signup/requirements.html http://www.juno.com/signup/requirements.html I'd look around locally for a cheap dial up ISP and make your best deal. If you tell them you need 5 minutes per day max for email only they may make you a good offer. Neil From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: k5fni@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 16446 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 20:54:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 20:54:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 20:54:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 20:54:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 20:54:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 20:54:17 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1119631482.23680.168.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Richard Herndon" Subject: Re: Attempt to use Netzero account with hacked MS failing-More help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203982406; y=bCXfHHqJ48ObSOkXuh_4dAVR9B2CfacFC4leWJV4Vb4l X-Yahoo-Profile: rehfni Status: RO Content-Length: 3029 Lines: 89 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > On Fri, 2005-06-24 at 15:44 +0000, Richard Herndon wrote: > > It now reads: > > == > > User Name: xxx > > Dial-Up No: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Reply-To: xxx@n... > > E-Mail Address xxx@n... > > E-mail Password: xxxxxxxxxxxx > > POP3 Server: pop.juno.com > > SMTP Server: smtp.juno.com > > ISP Account: xxx > > ISP Password: xxxxxxxxxxxx > > Primary DNS: 0.0.0.0 > > == John H. replies today: > Well the IP addresses I gave will probably only work for the service you > signed up for, so ignore the previous IP addresses. > > To get the DNS entry for Juno you can follow Milt's instructions. Just > follow their instructions to get it to log in to juno from windows, and > then run either ipconfig from command prompt (under Windows NT, W2K, or > XP) or winipcfg from Windows 95, 98 or ME. This will give you the DNS > address. If you have the DNS address you don't need to resolve the smtp > and pop addresses by hand. > > The point of this is, smtp.juno.com and pop.juno.com are DNS names. For > the mailstation to be able to send (smtp) or receive (pop) mail, it will > have to talk to actual servers and their actual IP addresses. > smtp.juno.com and pop.juno.com are not IP addresses. They are DNS names, > and normally can be traded in to the DNS server for IP addresses. But in > the example above, your DNS server IP is 0.0.0.0 so there is no chance > of sending mail in this configuration. > > Now it is possible that the Mailstation could talk to the smtp server > and pop server if it has the raw IP addresses. But it might not. Best > thing is to put the DNS IP. Second best is to try again with JUNO's mail > server addresses. > > If you just want to do a test without the DNS number, you might try > resolving the pop.juno.com and smtp.juno.com on your desktop PC. Just > open a ms-dos prompt and type > > ping pop.juno.com > > that will give you their pop Ip address > > and > > ping smtp.juno.com > > I got: > > PING pop.juno.com (64.136.20.167): 56 data bytes > ... > PING smtp.juno.com (64.136.21.93): 56 data bytes John, Using both your values for the DNS, entered one at a time netted me zero results different from last time. I did find an additional error pointed out to me by the firmware: the user name I entered was erroneously entered by me as the email address. The firmware notified me to take out the @ and try again. I just put in my son's name this time. Still no worky. I'm still appealing to someone who has had a free service work for them with a Mailstation to get back with me here and tell me what you did. Several folks said in the last month or so that they were going to try a free service. Where are they? Hayelp. John, the one problem I have with entering the two numbers is that I don't know which to use or if there is supposed to be some general DNS address entered. Obviously, neither works okay for Juno. I'm close to wit's end. Maybe I should try another service? 73, Rick K5FNI Ganado TX From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33310 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 21:04:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 21:04:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail28.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.30) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 21:04:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 21335 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 21:04:25 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail28.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 24 Jun 2005 21:04:25 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 14:05:27 -0700 Message-Id: <1119647127.766.16.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Attempt to use Netzero account with hacked MS failing-More help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=bOgi6vXLyuqJsucPz5FcY3RGKnKZlwVEQwaigL54AdrxQ75aPg X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 4076 Lines: 126 On Fri, 2005-06-24 at 20:54 +0000, Richard Herndon wrote: > --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > > On Fri, 2005-06-24 at 15:44 +0000, Richard Herndon wrote: > > > It now reads: > > > == > > > User Name: xxx > > > Dial-Up No: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Reply-To: xxx@n... > > > E-Mail Address xxx@n... > > > E-mail Password: xxxxxxxxxxxx > > > POP3 Server: pop.juno.com > > > SMTP Server: smtp.juno.com > > > ISP Account: xxx > > > ISP Password: xxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Primary DNS: 0.0.0.0 > > > == > > John H. replies today: > > Well the IP addresses I gave will probably only work for the service > you > > signed up for, so ignore the previous IP addresses. > > > > To get the DNS entry for Juno you can follow Milt's instructions. > Just > > follow their instructions to get it to log in to juno from windows, > and > > then run either ipconfig from command prompt (under Windows NT, W2K, > or > > XP) or winipcfg from Windows 95, 98 or ME. This will give you the > DNS > > address. If you have the DNS address you don't need to resolve the > smtp > > and pop addresses by hand. > > > > The point of this is, smtp.juno.com and pop.juno.com are DNS names. > For > > the mailstation to be able to send (smtp) or receive (pop) mail, it > will > > have to talk to actual servers and their actual IP addresses. > > smtp.juno.com and pop.juno.com are not IP addresses. They are DNS > names, > > and normally can be traded in to the DNS server for IP addresses. > But in > > the example above, your DNS server IP is 0.0.0.0 so there is no > chance > > of sending mail in this configuration. > > > > Now it is possible that the Mailstation could talk to the smtp > server > > and pop server if it has the raw IP addresses. But it might not. > Best > > thing is to put the DNS IP. Second best is to try again with JUNO's > mail > > server addresses. > > > > If you just want to do a test without the DNS number, you might try > > resolving the pop.juno.com and smtp.juno.com on your desktop PC. > Just > > open a ms-dos prompt and type > > > > ping pop.juno.com > > > > that will give you their pop Ip address > > > > and > > > > ping smtp.juno.com > > > > I got: > > > > PING pop.juno.com (64.136.20.167): 56 data bytes > > ... > > PING smtp.juno.com (64.136.21.93): 56 data bytes > > John, > > Using both your values for the DNS, entered one at a time netted me > zero results different from last time. No, I didn't give you a DNS IP address. Both of those are mail server addresses. You need to replace each mail server with the associated address. Where you have configured pop.juno.com instead try 64.136.20.167 Where you have configured smtp.juno.com instead try 64.136.21.93 > > I did find an additional error pointed out to me by the firmware: the > user name I entered was erroneously entered by me as the email > address. The firmware notified me to take out the @ and try again. I > just put in my son's name this time. Gotta get it all right at once. > > Still no worky. > > I'm still appealing to someone who has had a free service work for > them with a Mailstation to get back with me here and tell me what you > did. Several folks said in the last month or so that they were going > to try a free service. Where are they? Hayelp. > > John, the one problem I have with entering the two numbers is that I > don't know which to use or if there is supposed to be some general DNS > address entered. Obviously, neither works okay for Juno. > > I'm close to wit's end. > You just have to follow directions ;-) And I need to learn to give better ones. Now, as I said Milt may be giving you better advice here: just get the actual DNS address! To do this, you need to connect to Juno from a Windows desktop as he described. Then you can find out from Windows what the DNS server IP address after you connect to it. Juno, netzero etc. may or may not work. But the MS probably does require a valid DNS address, so until you've done a valid test with all necessary parameters there's no reason to give up. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: k5fni@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5314 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2005 23:51:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jun 2005 23:51:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n28.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.57) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2005 23:51:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n28.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 23:51:47 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jun 2005 23:51:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 23:51:45 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1119647127.766.16.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Richard Herndon" Subject: Re: Attempt to use Netzero account with hacked MS failing-More help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203982406; y=kVFcSVz3ugK27JOAevBK9t4d9IYjLRpdBy0VoZfZj3QG X-Yahoo-Profile: rehfni Status: RO Content-Length: 2203 Lines: 70 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > > > open a ms-dos prompt and type > > > > > > ping pop.juno.com > > > > > > that will give you their pop Ip address > > > > > > and > > > > > > ping smtp.juno.com > > > > > > I got: > > > > > > PING pop.juno.com (64.136.20.167): 56 data bytes > > > ... > > > PING smtp.juno.com (64.136.21.93): 56 data bytes > > > > John, > > > > Using both your values for the DNS, entered one at a time netted me > > zero results different from last time. > > > No, I didn't give you a DNS IP address. Both of those are mail server > addresses. You need to replace each mail server with the associated > address. > > Where you have configured pop.juno.com instead try 64.136.20.167 > > Where you have configured smtp.juno.com instead try 64.136.21.93 John, I did this with no different results. > Gotta get it all right at once. Now what? > > I'm still appealing to someone who has had a free service work for > > them with a Mailstation to get back with me here and tell me what you > > did. Several folks said in the last month or so that they were going > > to try a free service. Where are they? Hayelp. Still looking for the above folks. I'll be patient and hope they read their mail in the next few days. > You just have to follow directions ;-) And I need to learn to give > better ones. > > Now, as I said Milt may be giving you better advice here: just get the > actual DNS address! To do this, you need to connect to Juno from a > Windows desktop as he described. Then you can find out from Windows what > the DNS server IP address after you connect to it. > > Juno, netzero etc. may or may not work. But the MS probably does require > a valid DNS address, so until you've done a valid test with all > necessary parameters there's no reason to give up. As I reported earlier today, I do not seem to be able to do the requested search on my machine, possibly due to it being behind a WiFi/router. I seem to get the same DNS address whether or not I'm logged in to Juno. Can someone else try this both ways and let me know the address they find when logged in to Juno? With sugar on it? Thanks, Rick From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97701 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2005 00:18:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2005 00:18:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.29) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2005 00:18:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 17150 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2005 00:18:11 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 25 Jun 2005 00:18:10 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 17:19:14 -0700 Message-Id: <1119658754.766.42.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Attempt to use Netzero account with hacked MS failing-More help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=ta3hHoxCl5ykFEjKkP-xblL2LUMh2Jqn33zLLqKk5U-GR6K9MA X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 817 Lines: 27 On Fri, 2005-06-24 at 23:51 +0000, Richard Herndon wrote: > > As I reported earlier today, I do not seem to be able to do the > requested search on my machine, possibly due to it being behind a > WiFi/router. I seem to get the same DNS address whether or not I'm > logged in to Juno. Can someone else try this both ways and let me know > the address they find when logged in to Juno? With sugar on it? Hmm... are you dialing up from your machine? What OS are you running? You need to a) Connect to Juno via dialup b) Run winipcfg (Win98) or ipconfig (NT) c) Look for your dial up adapter... it will either be in the dump printed by opconfig, or a drop-down selection from Win98. You should be able to find the DNS name there. I don't have a Windows box with a modem, or I'd do it for you myself. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 66564 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2005 06:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2005 06:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.29) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2005 06:23:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 24904 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2005 06:23:30 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 25 Jun 2005 06:23:30 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 23:24:37 -0700 Message-Id: <1119680677.766.58.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Attempt to use Netzero account with hacked MS failing-More help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=IEnAn3SA5w4aDBiD8E55Q54LShnWtuRTjqVHEOiyMcr53XsAfQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 1564 Lines: 43 On Fri, 2005-06-24 at 20:54 +0000, Richard Herndon wrote: > --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > > On Fri, 2005-06-24 at 15:44 +0000, Richard Herndon wrote: > > > It now reads: > > > == > > > User Name: xxx > > > Dial-Up No: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Reply-To: xxx@n... > > > E-Mail Address xxx@n... > > > E-mail Password: xxxxxxxxxxxx > > > POP3 Server: pop.juno.com > > > SMTP Server: smtp.juno.com > > > ISP Account: xxx > > > ISP Password: xxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Primary DNS: 0.0.0.0 > > > == OK, I was able to set up an account and connect to Juno from my laptop. The DNS servers for Juno are 64.136.20.120 and 64.136.28.120 Unfortunately though I cannot get a MS (Black DET-1) to send or receive mail through Juno. It dials, but gives the same error that you described. Now, I connected again to Juno, and set up Outlook Express to collect mail. The only thing I can get from Juno is an initial message that "Access to Juno email using an off-line email program, such as Outlook Express, is not available to Free members." Since the MS can't use a webmail facility, there is no way to make use of Juno with the Free account. Is that what you're using? If so, I think you'll need to find another service, and probably have to pay a little bit. Or you could use Juno, but you have to sign for one of the paid accounts. But I don't see much point to that... you are better off finding a low price provider on the web. That said, if you pay a little bit it's more likely they'll be willing to help you get the thing set up. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: k5fni@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8040 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2005 19:13:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2005 19:13:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n15a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.32) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2005 19:13:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n15.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2005 19:13:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Jun 2005 19:13:25 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 19:13:23 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1119658754.766.42.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Richard Herndon" Subject: Re: Attempt to use Netzero account with hacked MS failing-More help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=203982406; y=OPDQsI7YeX2EQGzeaCKxymHRIz4lv-NfoxZg3Aj2AGgr X-Yahoo-Profile: rehfni Status: RO Content-Length: 1413 Lines: 35 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > On Fri, 2005-06-24 at 23:51 +0000, Richard Herndon wrote: > > As I reported earlier today, I do not seem to be able to do the > > requested search on my machine, possibly due to it being behind a > > WiFi/router. I seem to get the same DNS address whether or not I'm > > logged in to Juno. Can someone else try this both ways and let me know > > the address they find when logged in to Juno? With sugar on it? > Hmm... are you dialing up from your machine? No, I was using my XP Home machine and logging in via the Web. > You need to > a) Connect to Juno via dialup > b) Run winipcfg (Win98) or ipconfig (NT) > c) Look for your dial up adapter... it will either be in the dump > printed by opconfig, or a drop-down selection from Win98. > You should be able to find the DNS name there. > > I don't have a Windows box with a modem, or I'd do it for you myself. I do own a Win95b Omnibook 800CT that has a PCMCIA modem. I'll try that. I guess you finally did give better instructions. I was just flailing away with the XP box and not understanding why it didn't work as it 'should'. Does winipcfg command work with Win95b? Thanks for all your assistance. I've been leaving this thread on the group, so any others having as much trouble as I'm having will see the path we're taking to get to a (hopeful) resolution. Rick From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 20026 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2005 21:34:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Jun 2005 21:34:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.220) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2005 21:34:07 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.171.132]) by priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20050625213406.RHLC23577.priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 15:34:06 -0600 Message-ID: <018f01c579cd$9d5e80c0$84ab74ce@...> To: References: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:30:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Attempt to use Netzero account with hacked MS failing-More help X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100; y=HDBqx5J4wLwHCmylPTqhSdyRVkg6V-kD8gmA6AI6KgHnpCIrTA X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 712 Lines: 23 http://www.lights.com/pickalink/freeisp/ http://www2.vcn.bc.ca/freenets have info on free ISP's. I don't believe that Juno supports anything below Windows now. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Herndon" > I do own a Win95b Omnibook 800CT that has a PCMCIA modem. I'll try > that. I guess you finally did give better instructions. I was just > flailing away with the XP box and not understanding why it didn't work > as it 'should'. Does winipcfg command work with Win95b? > > Thanks for all your assistance. I've been leaving this thread on the > group, so any others having as much trouble as I'm having will see the > path we're taking to get to a (hopeful) resolution. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: steamerw@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75957 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2005 09:40:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2005 09:40:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta10.adelphia.net) (68.168.78.202) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2005 09:40:13 -0000 Received: from steamer ([69.164.123.216]) by mta10.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.01 201-2131-118-101-20041129) with ESMTP id <20050626094000.DURT19267.mta10.adelphia.net@steamer> for ; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 05:40:00 -0400 To: Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 05:39:59 -0400 Message-ID: <000501c57a33$052097b0$6400a8c0@steamer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Importance: Normal X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: "Stephen Walke" Subject: Need instructions for Mailstation 100 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=12463924; y=s_n_Jv6bbb9IEbidt4xJjkC0TEzxc91qvN2os3-ACpv1phCLonaa X-Yahoo-Profile: steamerwalke Status: RO Content-Length: 109 Lines: 6 My mother lost her instructions during a recent move. I would greatly appreciate a copy. Thanks, Steamer From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: hunter_az@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39891 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2005 19:47:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2005 19:47:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web54301.mail.yahoo.com) (68.142.225.143) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2005 19:47:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 89620 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jun 2005 19:47:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20050626194758.89618.qmail@...> Received: from [68.111.114.67] by web54301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Jun 2005 12:47:58 PDT Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 12:47:58 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <000501c57a33$052097b0$6400a8c0@steamer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Anthony Z." Subject: Re: [mailstation] Need instructions for Mailstation 100 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=167022906; y=qfI7szXt-pz4lRtI9YEqGCKM9gNy2nQJAkrT3tMLuuh-B_FE X-Yahoo-Profile: nightmare_sun Status: RO Content-Length: 417 Lines: 13 You should be able to call up and ask them for a manual. They may or may not ask you if you have an account, but from what I remember they should be able to send you one. But then again thats before they moved Mailstation Support to India. :( EARTHLINK SUCKS. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 84155 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2005 21:08:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Jun 2005 21:08:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.51) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jun 2005 21:08:51 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n22.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2005 21:08:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jun 2005 21:08:02 -0000 Date: 26 Jun 2005 21:08:00 -0000 Message-ID: <1119820080.26128.73856.w118@yahoogroups.com> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-system X-eGroups-Application: files X-Yahoo-Group-Post: system From: mailstation@yahoogroups.com To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to mailstation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 510 Lines: 27 Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the mailstation group. File : /Mivo Manual.pdf Uploaded by : neils_morr Description : Instruction Manual You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/files/Mivo%20Manual.pdf To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, neils_morr From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: hhuang888@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81202 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2005 09:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Jul 2005 09:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2005 09:49:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.59] by n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2005 09:49:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2005 09:49:22 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:49:19 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004c01c50506$3399fe80$37ae74ce@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "hhuang888" Subject: Re: Is there a way to setup more than one user? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=143607771; y=3MGwN8nStX_8L90ck4xONis3Ctk7CxR7MumLb4sTB6zOX86t X-Yahoo-Profile: hhuang888 Status: RO Content-Length: 585 Lines: 30 Hi, I also have a single user model. It is not convenient if taking it on a trip, as it requirs a rebook to get isp settings changed, you lose everything during the process. regards, HH --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Morrison" wrote: > > Which model do you have? Surprised you can't set up 5 users. > > Regards, > > Neil Morrison > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ygator" > > > I am able to do the Shift-FN-T trick during power on to setup one > > user. Is there any way to setup more via a similar method? > > .. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: niklaus37217@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 62790 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2005 22:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Jul 2005 22:16:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31614.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.160) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2005 22:16:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 48227 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jul 2005 22:16:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20050719221623.48225.qmail@...> Received: from [170.143.252.32] by web31614.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:16:23 PDT Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:16:23 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: Gary Clouse Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Is there a way to setup more than one user? X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=154404643; y=vnjfivcj6Sc8oUi2nAy8Zc7FJYOT-fofoXJKqzD6gnUyj7WhNqCK X-Yahoo-Profile: niklaus37217 Status: RO Content-Length: 549 Lines: 27 --- hhuang888 wrote: > Hi, > > I also have a single user model. It is not > convenient if taking it > on a trip, as it requirs a rebook to get isp > settings changed, you > lose everything during the process. > > regards, > > HH > Apparently, some of the MS models will only allow 1 user setup initially, setting up other users is done throught clipmail commands. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 65131 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2005 02:31:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2005 02:31:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.220) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2005 02:31:53 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.171.132]) by priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20050720023152.KKIN23980.priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:31:52 -0600 Message-ID: <04ee01c58cd3$2e8b5b00$84ab74ce@...> To: References: <20050719221623.48225.qmail@...> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:28:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: ROM dumping X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100; y=ojfGnQKZ9fUNzd8zEb9mS1lNLJ9cRnYc9B2WDRvSu6AbyRZb0w X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 117 Lines: 9 This may be useful for those disassembling the ROM code: http://www.mdfsnet.f9.co.uk/Docs/Comp/Z80/Family Neil From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29401 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2005 03:47:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2005 03:47:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2005 03:47:22 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2005 03:47:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2005 03:47:21 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 03:47:20 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Test mode on version 4.xx firmware X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=6KtJ7wNRQhvVNPTEf9-m8cimmGDwMRyYSgHTVI_l0do-5zFCpunjls7sGw X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 47 Lines: 9 qa781206 --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: niklaus37217@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21472 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2005 22:42:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2005 22:42:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.46) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2005 22:42:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2005 22:41:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.86] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2005 22:41:26 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:41:25 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "niklaus37217" Subject: New life for a mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=154404643; y=rKD7SAxNCU0JNhIIm0J0s1YxwrgJFh4PVCSbMrtJWHRBuEodAk-w X-Yahoo-Profile: niklaus37217 Status: RO Content-Length: 618 Lines: 17 Since these are showing up everywhere, has anyone though of reprogramming them into a functional PC assistant type device? What I think would be workable might be 1 keep the flash update facility. 2 keep basic email ability 3 dump the spell checker and add some sort of programming facility. 4 add parallel port data exchange drivers and support for a simple terminal emulation. What would be good would be something of the functionality of one of the alphasmart laptops. Mailstations have a much faster processor and much more memory than the old tandy 100s and there is still a market for the tandy laptops. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79362 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2005 23:37:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Jul 2005 23:37:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2005 23:37:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2005 23:37:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.85] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jul 2005 23:37:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 23:37:05 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: New life for a mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=Jykt5uNNqzmZe-8oXYgpgkvObRSrvWcoWSBr4V-lZ2BgpxNjo3x8Au6yGg X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 1525 Lines: 41 > Since these are showing up everywhere, has anyone though of > reprogramming them into a functional PC assistant type device? If you can program in z80 assembler, "we have the technology". We just need some code now... > What I think would be workable might be > 1 keep the flash update facility. > 2 keep basic email ability > 3 dump the spell checker and add some sort of programming facility. > 4 add parallel port data exchange drivers and support for a simple > terminal emulation. There are at least 9 pages of 16k each available, without dumping anything (except the out of date tv listings, etc.). But I agree, the spell checker is useless, and that is at least another page or three. After loafing for several weeks, I've got back to looking at this project, and made a lot of progress figuring out how to integrate new apps into existing mailstation firmware. I also have figured out how to dump the rom before erasing it. :-) (I started typing it up last night, but conked out before I could post it.) It turns out that you can add the "Yahoo" type of app to *all* the mailstations, whether they have the yahoo/mycidco menu item or not. They show up as icons after "settings" if there is no yahoo folder! By yahoo type of app, I mean adding code that takes the place of the yahoo data. I am not talking about adding tv listings or weather or news. The yahoo data is stored as an executable program, and this program can be anything you want (given that somebody writes the code). --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 38026 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2005 03:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2005 03:53:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.59) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2005 03:53:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n6.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 03:53:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 03:53:39 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jul 2005 03:53:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 03:53:37 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:9:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: How to dump your ROM (without a soldering iron) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=Wpzeane_amUgSEQw4hqdIiB708hFqS3MC7sefOjberve0nK-lmWOslg7fA X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 7869 Lines: 240 I posted a file (Files>mailbug>Spew.txt) with a mailstation app named "Spew", that sends the mailstations firmware out the parallel port when it is selected from mailstation menu. Spew.txt is really the assembly listing spew.lst, I renamed it so it is viewable with web browsers. I am posting the assembly listing rather than spew.asm or spew.rom, because the listing has the comments, the code, and the addresses in a human readable form. It needs to be entered in hex on the mailstation keyboard (about 40-50 bytes). There are instructions in the file on how to poke it into your mailstation dataflash with the mailstations built in hex editor. I'm not posting the assembly listing here, because it is too wide, and would get mangled by yahoo. But the source file is narrower, so I will paste it below. If viewing on website, you can line columns up with the "reply" button, without actually sending the reply. --CJ ------ spew.asm ------------------- ; NOTE: You can't dump the rom after mboot or sboot is flashed, ; because most of the rom is gone by then. ; ; This is code to be poked into dataflash on unit with yahoo ; features active. ; HEY, it seems to work on units *without* yahoo feature, too!!!! ; (4.05E for instance.) ; It's purpose is to dump the coderom out of the parallel port, ; using the tribble code in page #01. ; ; *** One catch to using this is that it requires mailbug ; *** version > 0.0.3, with the "inhale" function, to catch ; *** the data. And that version is not quite ready yet. ; *** But you do not need it to enter this app into your ; *** mailstation. In fact, if you want to dump your rom, ; *** you *have to* enter this in hex on the mailstation ; *** keyboard. That is because in order for mailbug to ; *** write anything to dataflash, mbug needs to be loaded, ; *** and loading mbug requires flashing sboot or mboot, and ; *** flashing anything (to codeflash) will erase your rom. ; *** You have to do this BEFORE INSTALLING SBOOT! bsendbyte equ #802D ; raises busy & sends byte. ; We use the existing sendbyte from original update code. ; This means codeflash page #01 needs to be banked in to ; slot8000 before calling bsendbyte. done equ #0000 ; Gotta go somewhere when done, we reboot. ; Mailstation will call eventhandler 3 or 4 times when you ; select the new application, and we only want to exec once, ; so we do not return at end, we reboot after first "event". ; STEP 1) ; This is data from dataflash page #08, sector #00 (which ; translates to a raw address of 020000), of a mailstation ; with two apps: ; ; 020000 02 00 02 00 01 00 01 5e 1c 18 01 01 01 20 a7 19 ; ; This is the key to enabling added apps!!! ; At least first byte above is needed, it seems to be count ; of apps (2 in this case). You need to poke it into dataflash ; with hex editor at raw address 020000. ; ; Modify the first byte to match number of apps, including ; new one. If your mailstation already has app(s), and you ; want to overwite one of them, you can leave this data as is, ; and skip this step. I don't know what the rest are, but those ; 16 bytes are the only data in dataflash pg #08, sector #00. ; ; If you inc that first byte, without doing steps 2 or 3, you ; should enable blank (or giberish) icons in the menu (under ; yahoo, or extras). ; ; *** Enter Test mode with vulcan nerve pinch while booting: ; , or or on the newer ; models, followed by "qa781206" without ; the quotes, of course. ; ; *** Enter Hex Viewer mode with . ; ; *** Enable Hex Edit mode by entering "G710304x" without ; quotes of course. This is a "go" to a nonexising sector, ; and it will leave viewer on last sector of dataflash. ; ; *** Edit dataflash page #08 as described above. G020000 will ; get you to the right sector. will enter edit mode ; for current sector. Edit the data. will leave ; edit mode and save to dataflash. You need to leave edit ; mode before moving to next sector. ; STEP 2} ; This is the start of our new app. If your mailstation has ; no existing "apps", then you would poke this into page #00 ; of dataflash (raw address 000000). ; ; If you already have say 2 existing apps, they are probably ; in dataflash pages #00 & #01 respectively. In that case you ; would put this in page #02 of dataflash (008000). ; ; When using dataflash page #00, this goes at raw address 000000. ; When using dataflash page #01, this goes at raw address 004000. ; When using dataflash page #02, this goes at raw address 008000. ; ; (iow, in raw addresses, first app is at 000000, second at 004000, ; and third at 008000.) ; ; The JP instruction is the only thing in this part that is ; absolutely necessary, if you can live with a captionless ; menu entry. The icon is gonna be blank anyways. ; ; *** Use hex editor to "go" to your address (G000000 or G004000 ; or G008000). This address corresponds to #4000 in the ; following app, no matter what page you are using. ; ; *** Enter edit mode, enter at least the bytes for the JP of ; the following code, and save the sector. Goto step 3. ORG #4000 ; This is *always* #4000, regardless of ; what page you use. JP eventhandler DEFW icon ; icon location (in this page) DEFW caption DEFW dunno dunno: DEFB #00 zip: DEFW #0000 zilch: DEFW #0000 caption: DEFW #0001 ; ????? DEFW endcap-caption-6 ; num of chars DEFW #0006 ; offset to first char defm "Spew" ; the caption string endcap: icon: ; I haven't figured out the icon format yet, but it's not needed. ; Icon data would go here, followed by app data (news, weather, ; or tv). ; Just leave this data as it is, and we will skip ahead to the last ; sector in this same page. ; STEP 3) ; I don't think it matters exactly where this next part ; sits in dataflash, as long as the JP in step two above can ; find it. We will put it at the end of the page, 'coz that's ; where the mailstation apps put it. ; ; If using dataflash page #00, this goes at raw address 003f00. ; If using dataflash page #01, this goes at raw address 007f00. ; If using dataflash page #02, this goes at raw address 00bf00. ; ; *** Use "go" command with appropriate address matching address ; used in step 2. ; ; *** Edit mode, enter the following 37 bytes of code, save. ; ; *** Quit Hex Editor with key. ; ; *** Leave Test mode with key. ; ; *** The mailstation will reboot, pick "no clear", and then ; check if you have a new app listed in your menu under ; "yahoo" or in "extras". org #7f00 ; last sector of page, always #7F00, ; regardless of what page. eventhandler: ; This is the "event handler" for our new app. It doesn't ; really handle any events, it just spews the rom contents ; over the laplink. xor a ; Set slot8000device = codeflash out (8),a ld bc,#4000 ; b=count=64 pages, c=currentpage=0 pgloop: ; for count = 64 downto 1 do ld hl,#8000 ; start at begining of each pg byteloop: ; for i=#8000 to #BFFF do ld a,c ; bank currentpage into slot8000 out (7),a ld a,(hl) ; get byte[i] push hl push bc ld h,a ; h is byte ld a,#01 ; bank bsendbyte into slot8000 out (7),a call bsendbyte ; send byte(H) pop bc pop hl inc hl ; i++ (next byte) ld a,h cp #C0 jr nz,byteloop ; jump if i < #C000 inc c ; currentpage++ (next page) djnz pgloop jp done From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30837 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2005 04:10:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2005 04:10:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.29) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2005 04:10:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 80 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2005 04:10:08 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 21 Jul 2005 04:10:08 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:10:51 -0700 Message-Id: <1121919051.6034.296.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:9:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] New life for a mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=BuknxWLAPdsVulrnOrx8xcJzpTtTuyJoQKNo39-iiSHQ0szY3Q X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 969 Lines: 28 On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 22:41 +0000, niklaus37217 wrote: > Since these are showing up everywhere, has anyone though of > reprogramming them into a functional PC assistant type device? > What I think would be workable might be > 1 keep the flash update facility. > 2 keep basic email ability > 3 dump the spell checker and add some sort of programming facility. > 4 add parallel port data exchange drivers and support for a simple > terminal emulation. > > What would be good would be something of the functionality of one of > the alphasmart laptops. Mailstations have a much faster processor and > much more memory than the old tandy 100s and there is still a market > for the tandy laptops. > > A good first step would be to port the SDCC Z80 target "standard library" to work with the debugger loader. My intent is to finish my port of CamelForth to MS... probably a day's work, but it's just one of a list of projects I have going at the moment. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5557 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2005 22:57:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Jul 2005 22:57:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.223) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2005 22:57:53 -0000 Received: from pavilion ([206.116.171.132]) by priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20050721225752.SYYX9769.priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net@pavilion> for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:57:52 -0600 Message-ID: <00bc01c58e47$9fad8ae0$84ab74ce@...> To: References: Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:53:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:7:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] New life for a mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100; y=gzm9m9iMOkoRMVxWoTQz6LLEFKSJ7g4FzRYFg_SxGsBA9uqgHw X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 190 Lines: 13 ----- Original Message ----- From: "niklaus37217" > 3 dump the spell checker and add some sort of programming facility. Why? There's plenty of room already. Neil From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35274 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2005 14:21:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2005 14:21:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2005 14:21:10 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 14:20:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 14:20:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 14:20:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:20:58 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1121919051.6034.296.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: New life for a mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=FzSzkoaRcMpt_CmQsaV_2IK998xJX8Bc_ChOUKfbje-IckAZqPlw9HkVCg X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 414 Lines: 21 wrote: > A good first step would be to port the SDCC Z80 target "standard > library" to work with the debugger loader. I'm not sure I understand... Do you mean work with as far as console i/o? Or loading? > My intent is to finish my port of CamelForth to MS... probably a > day's > work, but it's just one of a list of projects I have going at the > moment. Looking forward to it! --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 59092 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2005 23:37:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Jul 2005 23:37:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2005 23:37:44 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 23:37:44 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jul 2005 23:37:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 23:37:41 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: getchar() X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=oio1JUf73V2tHZoHgBeHkoGG0gJ7cIBQeyi-UkuoZwU8pKZ_PjY5fRV8ig X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 399 Lines: 16 When mapping key scancodes to ascii, what should keys like "main menu", "print", "get email", or the 5 function keys return? "Back" could be mapped to ESC, since there is no esc key. And maybe the 5 function keys (under lcd) should return whatever is standard for f1-f5 on PC keyboard, but I don't know what that is. And what about the second "@" key??? I'm guessing same as first. --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41950 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2005 07:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2005 07:27:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.29) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2005 07:27:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 16163 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2005 07:27:08 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 23 Jul 2005 07:27:08 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 00:28:15 -0700 Message-Id: <1122103695.6034.541.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: New life for a mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=cWcG3yWIwcLNUO5HmHq3NzPlg9VGRIeivXjnjp_k-MpWqvc3ag X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 857 Lines: 29 On Fri, 2005-07-22 at 14:20 +0000, Cyrano Jones wrote: > wrote: > > > A good first step would be to port the SDCC Z80 target "standard > > library" to work with the debugger loader. > > I'm not sure I understand... Do you mean work with > as far as console i/o? Or loading? > Both. sdcc already has a z80 target, But to do a simple program like hello world someone needs to create an init and connect to whatever low level i/o routines we have available. > > My intent is to finish my port of CamelForth to MS... probably a > > day's > > work, but it's just one of a list of projects I have going at the > > moment. > > Looking forward to it! > It wasn't too hard to port to WP-2, another z80 laptop. Three or four little subroutines to port, and you can start testing high level forth code interactively at the prompt. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: chauserx@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57875 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2005 15:58:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2005 15:58:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n3a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.37) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2005 15:58:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2005 15:57:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2005 15:57:52 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:57:50 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Carl Hauser" Subject: Success reconfiguring ISP on MS 120 with ROM v 4.05e X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=225872034; y=lWSxPzrqbDMNyGiMO8Xp2-w-BCcoHzCf2FCnD_qsbSnFfx0 X-Yahoo-Profile: chauserx Status: RO Content-Length: 1305 Lines: 49 I had previously been unable to reconfigure the ISP on my MS 120 with v 4.05e using the "reset during power on" trick. Although it produced the "erase all settings" option, the Earthlink ISP settings were not erased. After using the information below about entering diagnostics mode and choosing the FAST TEST option when the machine rebooted at the end of the test the machine rebooted it had no ISP info and allowed me to set up a new account. (Warning: FAST TEST erases everything in the machine.) Full sequence: Hold down and press power on. Continue holding until a box appears on the screen. Enter qa781206 in the box. Enter 2 to choose FAST TEST. The first four tests are quick. The ROM test takes about 20 seconds. Wait for it. Eventually the screen changes to say Battery TESTING with a box below. The box will get filled in with Battery HIGH Now hit and you're back at the Diagnostic Main Menu. Enter q to quit and reboot. You'll get the menu of options to clear various things. It doesn't seem to matter what you choose -- the next message is "Please create a new user account". Enjoy. --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Cyrano Jones" wrote: > > > qa781206 > > > --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: chauserx@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 9172 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2005 16:07:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2005 16:07:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.66) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2005 16:07:20 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2005 16:07:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2005 16:07:03 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.79] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2005 16:07:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:07:02 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Carl Hauser" Subject: Mail station 120 v4.05e and SMTP (non) authentication X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=225872034; y=PnImxsXWoDTwrnjNlh9Js2Wj6E0leOxeJM2Q8mq3V0WHt54 X-Yahoo-Profile: chauserx Status: RO Content-Length: 815 Lines: 9 After successfully reconfiguring the MS for my ISP (all2easy.net in this case) I found that I was not able to send mail to addresses other than all2easy.net subscribers. The message from the MS was along the lines of "server busy or unavailable, try later". Investigation showed that the ISP SMTP server is configured to require an AUTH command and subsequent login in order to send mail to non-subscribers. This is an anti-spam feature. AUTH is a so-called ESMTP feature. My MS does not support it; with this ISP the MS can retrieve mail and send to other subscribers of the ISP but cannot send to other internet users. The only obvious solution is "get another ISP". I expect that ISP's will increasingly require AUTH for sending mail so the useful lifetime of the MS as an email appliance may be limited. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97608 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2005 18:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2005 18:23:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail28.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.30) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2005 18:23:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 1193 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2005 18:23:31 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail28.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 23 Jul 2005 18:23:31 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:24:44 -0700 Message-Id: <1122143084.6034.547.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Mail station 120 v4.05e and SMTP (non) authentication X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=4USYOiu3OZl1iKMIdevsxUHfC-8y91p5ycxV57GeZs-pziJ49w X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 521 Lines: 20 On Sat, 2005-07-23 at 16:07 +0000, Carl Hauser wrote: > The only obvious solution is "get another ISP". I expect that ISP's > will increasingly require AUTH for sending mail so the useful lifetime > of the MS as an email appliance may be limited. > > > I had the same problem with NetZero. I think unless we replace the mail client with new firmware you are probably right about limited utility of the built in client. Of course you could set up a linux dial-up server with whatever settings you like. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: chauserx@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 85394 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2005 18:32:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2005 18:32:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.67) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2005 18:32:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2005 18:32:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.59] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2005 18:32:01 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.70] by mailer8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2005 18:32:01 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:31:59 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1122143084.6034.547.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Carl Hauser" Subject: Re: Mail station 120 v4.05e and SMTP (non) authentication X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=225872034; y=dDh4NXIUoboUgD7wc4UYAqUZ_A0D29p-oJ0WJfcI_-XvcuM X-Yahoo-Profile: chauserx Status: RO Content-Length: 1138 Lines: 28 You don't actually need a dial-up server to solve this problem: since the SMTP server's address is configured separately in the MS you just need to make your own SMTP relay server at a routable IP address. In fact this was how I figured out what was going on. There is an smtpd.py package in the python distribution that will do what you need--though anyone using it should take steps to avoid creating an open mail relay and suddenly finding themselves the purveyor of other people's spam. -- Carl --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > On Sat, 2005-07-23 at 16:07 +0000, Carl Hauser wrote: > > > The only obvious solution is "get another ISP". I expect that ISP's > > will increasingly require AUTH for sending mail so the useful lifetime > > of the MS as an email appliance may be limited. > > > > > > > > I had the same problem with NetZero. > > I think unless we replace the mail client with new firmware you are > probably right about limited utility of the built in client. > > Of course you could set up a linux dial-up server with whatever settings > you like. > > -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 97957 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2005 22:24:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2005 22:24:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.26) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2005 22:24:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 28677 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2005 22:24:18 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 23 Jul 2005 22:24:18 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:25:33 -0700 Message-Id: <1122157533.6034.570.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Mail station 120 v4.05e and SMTP (non) authentication X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=Iwa4tbh97CKCZgfLR1hck7dMWSgsZz5duDTaCtWIe6ZEoxvmSg X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 926 Lines: 28 On Sat, 2005-07-23 at 18:31 +0000, Carl Hauser wrote: > You don't actually need a dial-up server to solve this problem: since > the SMTP server's address is configured separately in the MS you just > need to make your own SMTP relay server at a routable IP address. In > fact this was how I figured out what was going on. > > There is an smtpd.py package in the python distribution that will do > what you need--though anyone using it should take steps to avoid > creating an open mail relay and suddenly finding themselves the > purveyor of other people's spam. > > -- Carl Excellent point, Carl! I hadn't thought of that. So one or more of us could set up a proxy server we could bounce our SMTP packets off of to do the auth. Then we could use whatever dialup server we like. Anyone have ideas on what we could do to avoid becoming an open relay since the client doesn't support smtp authentication? -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: daviduchovny@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 52884 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2005 23:38:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Aug 2005 23:38:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.63) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2005 23:38:54 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n10.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 23:38:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.3] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 23:38:43 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.78] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Aug 2005 23:38:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 23:38:41 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "lavaklaublauer" Subject: mail station useability - IMAP and AUTH smtp X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=233170933; y=7xdQiGpqLVC-k6gpa6FJ3KuBAmZ438vniCNdqUVmGivAew4bOcITjvY X-Yahoo-Profile: lavaklaublauer Status: RO Content-Length: 1557 Lines: 30 Hello, group, this is my first post here, as I recently got a blue det2 MS120 with 4.04e, which I was able to update the dialup and email acccount into on thanks to users posts, not just here. At any rate, the useability of this machine is greatly reduced by the limitation of pop3 and non auth smtp mailing. I, for one, would love to see the firmware updated to include these options, opening up other email services such as those from the likes of AOL itself. (for my grandmother) The imap would not have to be complex, but just retrieve email form one folder, the 'inbox', thus simplifying the programming. Also, 'auth' could not be that hard? For those of you asking the question 'how can we set up an auth smtp relay without being taken advantage of spammers - here is how my school does it: They keep a record of recent (authenticated) pop3 logins and IPs, and only allow smtp mail from those. Mial programs usually check pop incoming mail first, and then the server would know that it's OK to accept smtp session from that IP. Jut a thought if you're serious about setting up a server for users of the mailstation. Thanks to all for your great work on this unit, although from what I see there is only a very basic debug shell and rom dump written in assembly so far. Where are all the z80 games that run on the ti-85 calculators? (that also use a z80 and pixel screen) aah well. If we could just get smtp auth and simple imap protocol in these units it would be fantastic. Best of luck, and let me know if you do so Andrew From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47007 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2005 17:29:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2005 17:29:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail26.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.28) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2005 17:29:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 12976 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2005 17:28:53 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail26.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 19 Aug 2005 17:28:53 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:29:54 -0700 Message-Id: <1124472594.28931.113.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] mail station useability - IMAP and AUTH smtp X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=EHq0WuA9gCRLuiQ3Ak0h6BZwQQDnnliWsGzn68EpTuRMMoysuQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 430 Lines: 13 Do you think it would work just to set up a proxy server somewhere on the Internet? There was a discussion about this, and the idea was that you can use any ISP you like, we just need a proxy server somewhere that doesn't demand SMTP auth. I guess your POP3-auth-first would work. Why do we we need IMAP instead of POP3? Anyway if we're proxying it anyway the IMAP could be supported on the other side of the proxy. -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: kat_skan@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 51154 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2005 20:19:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2005 20:19:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.70) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2005 20:19:40 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2005 20:19:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2005 20:19:29 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2005 20:19:29 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 20:19:26 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1124472594.28931.113.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "kat_skan" Subject: Re: mail station useability - IMAP and AUTH smtp X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=113074088; y=JbSYy14QbQfU2WtdZ9vpWsAn4itu80UAmd2LAY7j_-ge47Y X-Yahoo-Profile: kat_skan Status: RO Content-Length: 722 Lines: 18 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > Why do we we need IMAP instead of POP3? Anyway if we're proxying it > anyway the IMAP could be supported on the other side of the proxy. Well, IMAP can do a few things server-side that seem like they'd be pretty painful on an appliance like the Mailstation. Plus you could handle considerably more messages if you kept everything server-side and just cached a handfull of them locally. That said, I rather doubt the existing firmware is extensible enough that you can add support for arbitrary protocols to it. There has been some discussion of porting CP/M to the Mailstation, though. Are there any IMAP-capable email clients for that? From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: daviduchovny@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90391 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2005 23:30:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2005 23:30:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.62) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2005 23:30:27 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n9.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2005 23:30:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.2] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2005 23:30:22 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.80] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2005 23:30:22 -0000 Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:30:21 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "lavaklaublauer" Subject: Re: mail station useability - IMAP and AUTH smtp X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=233170933; y=kdtUMN4c3uLyNtzqRuIVgrPKmlAz1lqDCO2JJTNmoN1GGEgd35PvZRU X-Yahoo-Profile: lavaklaublauer Status: RO Content-Length: 780 Lines: 21 OK, so the goal was to allow my grandparents to use their mailstation 120 at their vacation cottage to send and receive email using their pre-existing AOL account, with no extra charge. It has been accomplished. What I did was allowed them to use a dial-up account that came with my DSL (so it was free) and using my DSL I set up a server that receives their pop and smtp requests, translates pop to imap, adds an AUTH wrapper to their smtp request, and re-routes them to and from AOL. It wasn't the simplest of things, but it was a fun challenge. The smtp translator was locked down to only allow requests from their dialup IP range, and email will only be sent if it matches their user account, so the likelihood of becoming an open relay is practically nil. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80230 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2005 14:59:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2005 14:59:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.26) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2005 14:59:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 782 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2005 14:59:45 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 22 Aug 2005 14:59:45 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 07:59:56 -0700 Message-Id: <1124722796.28931.249.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: mail station useability - IMAP and AUTH smtp X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=jV8P_1xOZkhj4HVQ238Xcf4Zq4B0W7rpRoA79aSmKb42addrVA X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 876 Lines: 24 On Sun, 2005-08-21 at 23:30 +0000, lavaklaublauer wrote: > What I did was allowed them to use a dial-up account that came with > my DSL (so it was free) and using my DSL I set up a server that > receives their pop and smtp requests, translates pop to imap, adds an > AUTH wrapper to their smtp request, and re-routes them to and from > AOL. > > It wasn't the simplest of things, but it was a fun challenge. The > smtp translator was locked down to only allow requests from their > dialup IP range, and email will only be sent if it matches their user > account, so the likelihood of becoming an open relay is practically > nil. > Cool! Are you planning to make the script code available? Maybe there's a way to make it more generic so that one or a few of us could setup proxy servers for other users to connect to (without creating an open relay). -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: daviduchovny@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 88857 invoked from network); 23 Aug 2005 15:59:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Aug 2005 15:59:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.70) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 2005 15:59:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.65] by n5.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2005 15:59:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by mailer2.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2005 15:59:38 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.88] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Aug 2005 15:59:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:59:36 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1124722796.28931.249.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "lavaklaublauer" Subject: Re: mail station useability - IMAP and AUTH smtp X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=233170933; y=S1YtE8t63zw_MmsZLX2q2XKm3gZrQNheOmQMkOiue15XB3NjgR4UszE X-Yahoo-Profile: lavaklaublauer Status: RO Content-Length: 973 Lines: 28 well, the first sending software I could find is smtp server pro. This is not complex enough to send emails to different smtp servers based on sender's address. However, the mdaemon sales rep said that mdaemon pro would be capable of doing this, so if you want to set up a group server, that might be your best bet. For the pop software, I modified this: http://www.kohsuke.org/imap2pop/ because this is open source, it could easily be modified to accept multiple users. Note, however, that you have to change its method of getting the imap server address, because the mailstation uses the BEGINNING of the from address for pop authentication, and for most servers the from: address must match the smtp login name. > > Cool! > > Are you planning to make the script code available? Maybe there's a way > to make it more generic so that one or a few of us could setup proxy > servers for other users to connect to (without creating an open relay). > > -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: iacomella@... 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n27.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 02:38:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 02:38:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 02:38:16 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Franco Iacomella" Subject: Paralell transfer system X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=176704078; y=LIUStOGgF76sYiRSexu_SigOoMtX8snfzRRRJzmszQQNPQlN_fgHWSeTlQ X-Yahoo-Profile: franco_iacomella Status: RO Content-Length: 293 Lines: 9 Hi everyone! Im working on a programme to transfer my mails of my mailstation to my PC. I trying to do it with th "print" function of the device, trouht the parallerl port. I was wondering if exist another way to transfer data form de mailstation...any already made software? thanx! YACO From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 33778 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 05:42:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2005 05:42:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.29) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2005 05:42:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 134 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 05:42:18 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail27.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 14 Sep 2005 05:42:18 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 22:42:50 -0700 Message-Id: <1126676570.24190.111.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [SPAM] [mailstation] Paralell transfer system X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=rCHDAY4v9XYXp3kuQGZUuhqkDUWnHqC2IZUzT7m7H_T2kin1YA X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 437 Lines: 15 On Wed, 2005-09-14 at 02:38 +0000, Franco Iacomella wrote: > Hi everyone! Im working on a programme to transfer my mails of my > mailstation to my PC. I trying to do it with th "print" function of > the device, trouht the parallerl port. > > I was wondering if exist another way to transfer data form de > mailstation...any already made software? thanx! YACO > > Why not just forward them to your desktop email address? -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 7704 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 06:37:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2005 06:37:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.240) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2005 06:37:25 -0000 Received: from NewBaby ([209.121.230.219]) by priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20050914063712.RETT18652.priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net@NewBaby> for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 00:37:12 -0600 Message-ID: <00b901c5b8f6$bcbbb150$dbe679d1@NewBaby> To: References: Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:32:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Parallel transfer system X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100; y=usMHwJdtlDRuLJ9_hAqTJwO_6R2-6Jp9rokDehjngkouHpiX4A X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 485 Lines: 17 If the ROM can ever be figured out you should be able to reconfigure the printer port as an I/O port. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Franco Iacomella" > Hi everyone! Im working on a programme to transfer my mails of my > mailstation to my PC. I trying to do it with th "print" function of > the device, trouht the parallerl port. > > I was wondering if exist another way to transfer data form de > mailstation...any already made software? thanx! YACO From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: iacomella@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 96704 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2005 15:20:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2005 15:20:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.43) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2005 15:20:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 15:19:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2005 15:19:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:19:18 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1126676570.24190.111.camel@aragorn> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Franco Iacomella" Subject: Re: [SPAM] [mailstation] Paralell transfer system X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=176704078; y=vuzMhuVyIM2wFNdpobVnW9pmdIgbTfm72Fo23-37reu5Fq2-PQIrSnbotA X-Yahoo-Profile: franco_iacomella Status: RO Content-Length: 838 Lines: 25 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > On Wed, 2005-09-14 at 02:38 +0000, Franco Iacomella wrote: > > Hi everyone! Im working on a programme to transfer my mails of my > > mailstation to my PC. I trying to do it with th "print" function of > > the device, trouht the parallerl port. > > > > I was wondering if exist another way to transfer data form de > > mailstation...any already made software? thanx! YACO > > > > > > Why not just forward them to your desktop email address? > > -- John. Because I cant connect the device to download my mails yet. The ISP who provide the device in my country reserved for its own the configuration. So, I need an email account of the same service. I read that is possible to hack this 'ISP protection' thing...so, can anybody help me? Greats, YACO From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: albert@... 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X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 From: "Anthony Albert" Subject: Re: [SPAM] [mailstation] Paralell transfer system X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169489703; y=796p9tu81tl_T12lbtK9MB56EsGVvIsP6eN36Lf1JLKswFpwbytDvbmG X-Yahoo-Profile: falbertforester Status: RO Content-Length: 1805 Lines: 46 On 14 Sep 2005 at 15:19, Franco Iacomella wrote: >--- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "John R. Hogerhuis" >wrote: >> On Wed, 2005-09-14 at 02:38 +0000, Franco Iacomella wrote: >> > Hi everyone! Im working on a programme to transfer my mails of my >> > mailstation to my PC. I trying to do it with th "print" function of >> > the device, trouht the parallerl port. >> > >> > I was wondering if exist another way to transfer data form de >> > mailstation...any already made software? thanx! YACO >> > >> > >> >> Why not just forward them to your desktop email address? >> >> -- John. > >Because I cant connect the device to download my mails yet. The ISP >who provide the device in my country reserved for its own the >configuration. So, I need an email account of the same service. I read >that is possible to hack this 'ISP protection' thing...so, can >anybody help me? > Greats, YACO Unfortunately, resetting the ISP configuration, if you have one of the Mailstations in which the setup is locked, currently requires a reset of the entire flash, erasing all of the email. There is a work-around, though, for not having an account. It is possible to set up a desktop computer (typically with Linux as the OS) with a modem to answer when you dial in, and to pretend to be the ISP's computer. It might be possible to set this up yourself, or to find a friend who can do this. I believe that there is further information on this in the archived messages. Hope this helps, Anthony Albert =========================================================== Anthony J. Albert albert@... Systems and Software Support Specialist Postmaster Computer Services - University of Maine, Presque Isle "This is only temporary, unless it works." --- Red Green From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: iacomella@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6416 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2005 13:46:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2005 13:46:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2005 13:46:00 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2005 13:45:52 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer2.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2005 13:45:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:45:51 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <43283738.11360.2335A46E@localhost> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Franco Iacomella" Subject: Re: [SPAM] [mailstation] Paralell transfer system X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=176704078; y=nnQrn4S2BgE7aKkqfcLTsqpYSiGgbm6eN_eyfZ582SOwjv8x6nLdl_XOaw X-Yahoo-Profile: franco_iacomella Status: RO Content-Length: 1800 Lines: 41 Finally I could connect my device to download my mails trought my ISP... but Im still loosing money in each call I have to make to cnnect it. The soultion wouldbe a prallel conecction, almost in one direction: I want to download my mails dorm the mailstation to the PC, but not put data inside the mailstation from de PC...however, i still have to make a programme to do that :( The other solution is that you mention. But I think that I may need a winmodem to connect the device to the computer, and everyone knows the problems of GNU/Linux to support winmodems...If I could sort this problem i need to know what program I need to run on the computer so the mailstation belives its connected to a real ISP. It would be nice that someone write something about this "emulation" or give me some data to make it on my own. :D I hope someone help me, thanx! YACO > Unfortunately, resetting the ISP configuration, if you have one of the > Mailstations in which the setup is locked, currently requires a reset > of the entire flash, erasing all of the email. > > There is a work-around, though, for not having an account. It is > possible to set up a desktop computer (typically with Linux as the OS) > with a modem to answer when you dial in, and to pretend to be the ISP's > computer. It might be possible to set this up yourself, or to find a > friend who can do this. I believe that there is further information on > this in the archived messages. > > Hope this helps, > Anthony Albert > =========================================================== > Anthony J. Albert albert@u... > Systems and Software Support Specialist Postmaster > Computer Services - University of Maine, Presque Isle > "This is only temporary, unless it works." > --- Red Green From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jhoger@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22992 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2005 18:33:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2005 18:33:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail25.sea5.speakeasy.net) (69.17.117.27) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2005 18:33:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 32224 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2005 18:33:06 -0000 Received: from dsl081-088-222.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO [192.168.111.2]) ([64.81.88.222]) (envelope-sender ) by mail25.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 15 Sep 2005 18:33:06 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Speaker To Machines, Inc. Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 11:33:55 -0700 Message-Id: <1126809235.32201.52.camel@aragorn> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 From: "John R. Hogerhuis" Reply-To: jhoger@... Subject: Re: [mailstation] directly connecting two modems X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=182824186; y=jX3h7sddcjK5TYVRkiC0zQ4V-ClAi5VxYkIE8-tnacD1rw7E-g X-Yahoo-Profile: jhogerhuis Status: RO Content-Length: 1378 Lines: 39 On Thu, 2005-09-15 at 13:45 +0000, Franco Iacomella wrote: > The other solution is that you mention. But I think that I may need a > winmodem to connect the device to the computer, and everyone knows the > problems of GNU/Linux to support winmodems...If I could sort this > problem i need to know what program I need to run on the computer so > the mailstation belives its connected to a real ISP. It would be nice > that someone write something about this "emulation" or give me some > data to make it on my own. :D > > I hope someone help me, thanx! > > YACO > Why would you need a winmodem? Actually, there are drivers for some winmodems for Linux machines. Some of these modems are interesting in that they can act as an FXO allowing you to connect a Linux box running Asterisk to a regular phone line. This article gives some hope that you can just connect two modems together with a regular phone cable. http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0412.2/0560.html ATA on the host and let MS dial in. Unfortunately I just tried this with a MS150 and a rockwell external modem, no workey. Typed ATA in terminal on rockwell side, and hit Get Email on MS. I had to configure the mailstation to "ignore dial tone" but that just kept it from timing it out. No connection is established. Could it be configuration on modem side? Anyone have any ideas? -- John. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: niklaus37217@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 49349 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2005 16:23:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2005 16:23:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31609.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.155) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2005 16:23:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 95524 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Sep 2005 16:23:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20050926162308.95522.qmail@...> Received: from [170.143.252.32] by web31609.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:23:08 PDT Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:23:08 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <1126809235.32201.52.camel@aragorn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Gary Clouse Subject: Re: [mailstation] directly connecting two modems X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=154404643; y=zzdO7tx6CB04HFP1cLEyHy9bSGuj8MEdIuBxSfQuYim2euvO3668 X-Yahoo-Profile: niklaus37217 Status: RO Content-Length: 2878 Lines: 92 Some modems are line-powered. They use the phone line to power the part of the modem circuitry. Connecting a cross-over phone cable between a line-powered modem and another modem, it won't work because the line-powered modem won't have enough voltage to operate. Line-powered modems are common in portable devices and can be spotted by a REN (Ringer Equivalency Number) of more than 0. Most phone companies allow 2 REN. The phone lines use between 24 and 48 volts. A winmodem on the other hand is an imcomplete modem with most of the higher-level functions (like compression and dialing ) handed off to a software driver. Winmodems are cheaper to manufacture, and can be upgraded by changing a driver. And the drivers are buound by trade secret agreements with Microsoft which give Microsoft dominion over who is allowed to use the modem. if you have 2 phone lines at home, you can run a bbs program on you PC, call the pc from the ms on the other line and should be able to quickly work out the signon dialogue, and simulate it on the PC. Ther is a simple free BBS program called AddBBS that is written in perl. Also perl is available free of charge for almost every OS in existance. --- "John R. Hogerhuis" wrote: > On Thu, 2005-09-15 at 13:45 +0000, Franco Iacomella > wrote: > > > The other solution is that you mention. But I > think that I may need a > > winmodem to connect the device to the computer, > and everyone knows the > > problems of GNU/Linux to support winmodems...If I > could sort this > > problem i need to know what program I need to run > on the computer so > > the mailstation belives its connected to a real > ISP. It would be nice > > that someone write something about this > "emulation" or give me some > > data to make it on my own. :D > > > > I hope someone help me, thanx! > > > > YACO > > > > Why would you need a winmodem? Actually, there are > drivers for some > winmodems for Linux machines. Some of these modems > are interesting in > that they can act as an FXO allowing you to connect > a Linux box running > Asterisk to a regular phone line. > > This article gives some hope that you can just > connect two modems > together with a regular phone cable. > > http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0412.2/0560.html > > ATA on the host and let MS dial in. > > Unfortunately I just tried this with a MS150 and a > rockwell external > modem, no workey. > > Typed ATA in terminal on rockwell side, and hit Get > Email on MS. I had > to configure the mailstation to "ignore dial tone" > but that just kept it > from timing it out. No connection is established. > > Could it be configuration on modem side? Anyone have > any ideas? > > -- John. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: niklaus37217@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77337 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2005 16:45:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2005 16:45:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31602.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.148) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2005 16:45:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 54346 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Sep 2005 16:45:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20050926164503.54341.qmail@...> Received: from [170.143.252.32] by web31602.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:45:02 PDT Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:45:02 -0700 (PDT) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Gary Clouse Subject: rabbit semiconductor data sheets X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=154404643; y=I8Ae6EYs4KQcOICGLTVoVVKr1dKgOb85EXcrIB4dyUd158UoV6xz X-Yahoo-Profile: niklaus37217 Status: RO Content-Length: 558 Lines: 15 I have been looking through some documentation from the Rabbit Semiconductor website and I noticed a couple of interesting things. First, there is an an on chip parallel port that is bidirectional and can be used as a printer port or to reprogram flash memory. Second, If I read it correctly, the slack space in the flash memory is the result of a limitation of the C compiler in the development kit. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: lyn@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 43435 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2005 18:31:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2005 18:31:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ws6-4.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.107) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2005 18:31:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 12749 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2005 18:31:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO D87VFC21.lobdell.com) (lyn@...@24.176.140.131) by ws6-4.us4.outblaze.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2005 18:31:46 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050926142805.025163a0@...> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 14:31:44 -0400 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Lyn Lobdell Subject: Mother's Mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=98087129; y=kEuM6Q5VOkfvpCBK8OE1wosF88HaRl2_H0jfGusY100 X-Yahoo-Profile: lynl6 Status: RO Content-Length: 442 Lines: 14 My mother had mailstation several years ago but stopped it. She wishes to restart it however in doing searching on the net I don't find much - I get sent to earthlink who apparently now operates it. The monthly cost for an earthlink account is over $20. Does earthlink still support mailstation and if so what is the monthly charge. Don't want to go the computer route for her as mailstation is confusing enough. Thanks, Lyn L From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61221 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2005 19:25:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2005 19:25:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edmwes26.telusplanet.net) (204.209.205.55) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2005 19:25:23 -0000 Received: from NewBaby ([209.121.230.219]) by priv-edmwes26.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20050926192517.FBTA332.priv-edmwes26.telusplanet.net@NewBaby> for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:25:17 -0600 Message-ID: <012801c5c2d0$067675e0$dbe679d1@NewBaby> To: References: <6.2.3.4.2.20050926142805.025163a0@...> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:05:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Mother's Mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100; y=4ASbaWI2TMabG_ocxukidaO3_zsCu0rGnQvF8lH8aW80X9ioqg X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 735 Lines: 24 It's possible it may be able to use another ISP - possibly a free one. What exact model and ROM does it have? See the files in our files section. BTW, I suspect that EarthStation will bail out on this system in the near future. Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Lobdell" > My mother had mailstation several years ago but stopped it. She > wishes to restart it however in doing searching on the net I don't > find much - I get sent to earthlink who apparently now operates > it. The monthly cost for an earthlink account is over $20. Does > earthlink still support mailstation and if so what is the monthly > charge. Don't want to go the computer route for her as mailstation > is confusing enough. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: albert@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3330 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2005 21:16:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2005 21:16:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO granite.unet.maine.edu) (130.111.32.22) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2005 21:16:44 -0000 Received: from polaris.umpi.maine.edu (polaris.umpi.maine.edu [130.111.208.10]) by granite.unet.maine.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8QLGYa1028138 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:16:35 -0400 Received: from POLARIS/SpoolDir by polaris.umpi.maine.edu (Mercury 1.48); 26 Sep 05 17:20:39 -0500 Received: from SpoolDir by POLARIS (Mercury 1.48); 26 Sep 05 17:20:03 -0500 Received: from ALBERT (130.111.210.148) by polaris.umpi.maine.edu (Mercury 1.48) with ESMTP; 26 Sep 05 17:19:59 -0500 Organization: University of Maine at PI To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:19:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <43382DBA.2476.15B801D1@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <6.2.3.4.2.20050926142805.025163a0@...> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: albert@... X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Anthony Albert" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Mother's Mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169489703; y=hpckPib0NhvzWgUiZpdnbrM73bGVP-inT6AYaP0yTP4t2WKRaKGiUYyA X-Yahoo-Profile: falbertforester Status: RO Content-Length: 1424 Lines: 37 On 26 Sep 2005 at 14:31, Lyn Lobdell wrote: >My mother had mailstation several years ago but stopped it. She >wishes to restart it however in doing searching on the net I don't >find much - I get sent to earthlink who apparently now operates >it. The monthly cost for an earthlink account is over $20. Does >earthlink still support mailstation and if so what is the monthly >charge. Don't want to go the computer route for her as mailstation >is confusing enough. > >Thanks, >Lyn L The Mailstation is still quite a handy device, and is an inexpensive way to send/receive email. I don't know how much longer Earthlink will continue to support it, but the Mailstation can be used with other Internet Service Providers (ISP). There are instructions on changing its settings in the files sections of this group. You might want to look into low-cost ISP in your area, or perhaps even a local small-business ISP. While $20 per month is pretty standard, there are a few places offering dial-up access for about $10 per month, including an email mailbox, which the Mailstation can access. Hope this helps, Anthony Albert =========================================================== Anthony J. Albert albert@... Systems and Software Support Specialist Postmaster Computer Services - University of Maine, Presque Isle "This is only temporary, unless it works." --- Red Green From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: lyn@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82069 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2005 21:25:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Sep 2005 21:25:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com) (205.158.62.199) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2005 21:25:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 9091 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2005 21:25:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO D87VFC21.lobdell.com) (lyn@...@24.176.140.131) by ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2005 21:25:17 -0000 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050926172455.02508220@...> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:25:14 -0400 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <43382DBA.2476.15B801D1@localhost> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20050926142805.025163a0@...> <43382DBA.2476.15B801D1@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_21124390==.ALT" X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Lyn Lobdell Subject: Re: [mailstation] Mother's Mailstation X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=98087129; y=Xz7L1ZGZxmCjl9QMtvYUT_sCJlpyvJ4M2mAfUmqRhCc X-Yahoo-Profile: lynl6 Status: RO Content-Length: 4818 Lines: 145 --=====================_21124390==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Thank you, Lyn Lobdell At 05:19 PM 9/26/2005, you wrote: >On 26 Sep 2005 at 14:31, Lyn Lobdell wrote: > >My mother had mailstation several years ago but stopped it. She > >wishes to restart it however in doing searching on the net I don't > >find much - I get sent to earthlink who apparently now operates > >it. The monthly cost for an earthlink account is over $20. Does > >earthlink still support mailstation and if so what is the monthly > >charge. Don't want to go the computer route for her as mailstation > >is confusing enough. > > > >Thanks, > >Lyn L > >The Mailstation is still quite a handy device, and is an inexpensive >way to send/receive email. > >I don't know how much longer Earthlink will continue to support it, but >the Mailstation can be used with other Internet Service Providers >(ISP). There are instructions on changing its settings in the files >sections of this group. > >You might want to look into low-cost ISP in your area, or perhaps even >a local small-business ISP. While $20 per month is pretty standard, >there are a few places offering dial-up access for about $10 per month, >including an email mailbox, which the Mailstation can access. > >Hope this helps, >Anthony Albert > >=========================================================== >Anthony J. Albert albert@... >Systems and Software Support Specialist Postmaster >Computer Services - University of Maine, Presque Isle > "This is only temporary, unless it works." > --- Red Green > > > > >---------- >YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > * Visit your group > "mailstation" on the web. > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * > mailstation-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > * > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > >---------- --=====================_21124390==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Thank you,

Lyn Lobdell


At 05:19 PM 9/26/2005, you wrote:
On 26 Sep 2005 at 14:31, Lyn Lobdell wrote:
>My mother had mailstation several years ago but stopped it.  She
>wishes to restart it however in doing searching on the net I don't
>find much - I get sent to earthlink who apparently now operates
>it.  The monthly cost for an earthlink account is over $20.  Does
>earthlink still support mailstation and if so what is the monthly
>charge.  Don't want to go the computer route for her as mailstation
>is confusing enough.
>
>Thanks,
>Lyn L

The Mailstation is still quite a handy device, and is an inexpensive
way to send/receive email.

I don't know how much longer Earthlink will continue to support it, but
the Mailstation can be used with other Internet Service Providers
(ISP).  There are instructions on changing its settings in the files
sections of this group.

You might want to look into low-cost ISP in your area, or perhaps even
a local small-business ISP.  While $20 per month is pretty standard,
there are a few places offering dial-up access for about $10 per month,
including an email mailbox, which the Mailstation can access.

Hope this helps,
Anthony Albert

===========================================================
Anthony J. Albert                     albert@...
Systems and Software Support Specialist          Postmaster
Computer Services - University of Maine, Presque Isle
      "This is only temporary, unless it works."
                  --- Red Green



YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS


--=====================_21124390==.ALT-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: mark.kall@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 57211 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2005 14:19:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Sep 2005 14:19:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.24) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2005 14:19:23 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.66.58] by n13.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2005 14:18:07 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.73] by mailer7.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2005 14:18:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:18:05 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "mgkall" Subject: using a mailstation for pop3 email X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=218763696; y=D2Spm_fbiBTq8taPTLevX0sylLu0KyFUAY8cUO-3y9k4 X-Yahoo-Profile: mgkall Status: RO Content-Length: 1167 Lines: 31 Hi. I have 3 mailstations I collected in the past 3 years or so. Each of the 3 DET1's has a firmware version which allows me to put in ISP settings, POP3 server, smtp server, passwords, etc. I was going to distribute some to my relatives so we could email easily, but a problem came up. Up until about 15 months ago I had been using one of them with my AT&T email account. But suddenly it stopped working. After much investigation and NO HELP FROM AT&T, I determined that it was the XTND command coming from the Mailstation which was causing an error message on the mailserver which basically killed the whole process. I've tried to find other free email services which can tolerate the XTND command by either ignoring it or coming back with OK but not an error message. But I have been unable to find an email service which will work. Does anyone in the group have the name and/or address of an email provider I can use which WILL work with my mailstation ? Has anyone figured out how to hack the code to avoid this issue ? BTW, I'd be willing to sell at least two of them if someone is interested. They are LIKE "NEW". Thanks in advance, Mark From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: jamie@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 39234 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2005 19:58:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2005 19:58:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO u15181319.onlinehome-server.com) (82.165.235.27) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2005 19:58:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 3682 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2005 20:01:11 -0000 Received: from 67-42-163-60.bois.qwest.net (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (67.42.163.60) by u15181319.onlinehome-server.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2005 20:01:11 -0000 Message-ID: <433D988C.2010905@...> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:57:00 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Jamie Farnes Reply-To: jamie@... Subject: Newbie with a Mailstation 250 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=236175222; y=y4VjholsHrJzSNQJkdWhcKOqvdVkQkM1WFwnQR9lw_XCrOA5TsQ X-Yahoo-Profile: jamiefarnes Status: RO Content-Length: 588 Lines: 13 Hello everyone, I have a Mailstation 250 (model DET2B, firmware V1.12 XTND:ON) that isn't taking kindly to my adventures in repurposing. I have tried every key combination I can think of, but the only promising sign I get is a "Scanning Memory Data..." progress bar on startup with a menu to reset system data. It seems I'm not much of a hardware hacker...can anyone out there give me some hints on what I'm doing wrong? A step-by-step guide or FAQ for this model would also be a great help for any n00bs like myself who came along. Thanks for reading! :) --Jamie Farnes From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: runparts@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 70766 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2005 10:22:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2005 10:22:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n7.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) (216.155.201.60) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 10:22:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [216.155.201.64] by n7.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 10:20:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by mailer1.bulk.dcn.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 10:20:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Nov 2005 10:20:18 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:20:16 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Chris H" Subject: Just Deals DET1 has someone's old messages in memory X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=43230313; y=VZp4VpwQsvttPVx5NKg6ZhKZIUXnNVbzcV5wyM_4fmAhXAI X-Yahoo-Profile: runparts Status: RO Content-Length: 1158 Lines: 42 I'm cross posting my message from the I-Appliance BBS because this seems to= get more traffic. Anyway, I found a neat thing about my MailStation: So I= was playing around with an old Southwestern Bell branded "eMessage" (DET1 = MIVO 100 w/ 2.22CIDSV firmware) that I got from Just Deals a good time ago,= and while browsing with the hex editor (Shift-Fn-T while powering on, then= hiting shift F3? however it is done, I forget) I found what appear to be s= omeone else's saved emails. The unit came to me unconfigured, I've added on= e user and left the other 4 blank. At around 02 c0 a0 plus or minus there a= re several emails from/to a Kirstin who is apparently new to email ("I GOT = MAIL FOR MY PHONE!!"). Interesting to read. My guess is that the Just Deals= units were re-furbished from a warrenty return. They reset them at the fac= tory but that does not wipe the user space memory clear. So I get to read s= ome random person's emails. Check it out if you have one of the Just Deals = mailstations or another refurbished unit. Not necessarly useful informatio= n, but interesting and raises several questions about privacy. Chris H. = From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: albert@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 86977 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2005 13:41:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2005 13:41:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO marble.unet.maine.edu) (130.111.32.18) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 13:41:05 -0000 Received: from granite.unet.maine.edu (granite.unet.maine.edu [130.111.32.22]) by marble.unet.maine.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAMDeTlK009887 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:40:29 -0500 Received: from polaris.umpi.maine.edu (polaris.umpi.maine.edu [130.111.208.10]) by granite.unet.maine.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jAMDeKiY006497 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:40:21 -0500 Received: from POLARIS/SpoolDir by polaris.umpi.maine.edu (Mercury 1.48); 22 Nov 05 08:45:14 -0400 Received: from SpoolDir by POLARIS (Mercury 1.48); 22 Nov 05 08:44:26 -0400 Received: from ALBERT (130.111.210.148) by polaris.umpi.maine.edu (Mercury 1.48) with ESMTP; 22 Nov 05 08:44:14 -0400 Organization: University of Maine at PI To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:44:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4382DA5D.17858.340FC04@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: albert@... X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:12:4:0 From: "Anthony Albert" Subject: Re: [mailstation] Just Deals DET1 has someone's old messages in memory X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=169489703; y=A5t9deETmstJ6KVx6yFLlJN89Qwb0vxPeQL5FJdCIW87lREMVFF5f2US X-Yahoo-Profile: falbertforester Status: RO Content-Length: 1913 Lines: 41 On 22 Nov 2005 at 10:20, Chris H wrote: >I'm cross posting my message from the I-Appliance BBS because this >seems to get more traffic. Anyway, I found a neat thing about my >MailStation: > >So I was playing around with an old Southwestern Bell branded >"eMessage" (DET1 MIVO 100 w/ 2.22CIDSV firmware) that I got from Just >Deals a good time ago, and while browsing with the hex editor >(Shift-Fn-T while powering on, then hiting shift F3? however it is >done, I forget) I found what appear to be someone else's saved emails. >The unit came to me unconfigured, I've added one user and left the >other 4 blank. At around 02 c0 a0 plus or minus there are several >emails from/to a Kirstin who is apparently new to email ("I GOT MAIL >FOR MY PHONE!!"). Interesting to read. My guess is that the Just Deals >units were re-furbished from a warrenty return. They reset them at the >factory but that does not wipe the user space memory clear. So I get >to read some random person's emails. Check it out if you have one of >the Just Deals mailstations or another refurbished unit. > >Not necessarly useful information, but interesting and raises several >questions about privacy. > >Chris H. Indeed, it does raise privacy concerns. Reliable and complete deletion of (possibly) sensitive information should definitely be on the list of any refurbishement operation... My guess is that they just didn't give it any thought at the refurb place, just assumed the reset would do the trick. With flash memory, though, that's not enough - I think there should have been a ROM routine included for doing just that. Anthony Albert =========================================================== Anthony J. Albert albert@... Systems and Software Support Specialist Postmaster Computer Services - University of Maine, Presque Isle "This is only temporary, unless it works." --- Red Green From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 28202 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2005 08:07:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Nov 2005 08:07:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.42) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2005 08:07:03 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2005 08:06:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.74] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Nov 2005 08:06:53 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:06:53 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Just Deals DET1 has someone's old messages in memory X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=FBiV4kyqGWMs0fs-BweC37xxJOHi8UFTcExKFjV724kJnR13HbN5ObcXRw X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 2128 Lines: 85 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Chris H" wrote: > ... = > So I was playing around with an old Southwestern Bell branded > "eMessage= " (DET1 MIVO 100 w/ 2.22CIDSV firmware) that I got from Just > Deals a go= od time ago, and while browsing with the hex editor > (Shift-Fn-T while pow= ering on, then hiting shift F3? however it is > done, I forget) Hi Chris,= It's Shift-F5 (from test mode), to enter hex viewer mode. From there, an= interesting key sequence is g710304x Then try function-s You will f= ind yourself in hex *edit* mode. :-) > I found what appear to be someone = else's saved emails. > The unit came to me unconfigured, I've added one us= er and left the > other 4 blank. At around 02 c0 a0 plus or minus there are= several > emails from/to a Kirstin who is apparently new to email ("I GOT = MAIL > FOR MY PHONE!!"). Interesting to read. My guess is that the Just D= eals > units were re-furbished from a warrenty return. They reset them at = the > factory but that does not wipe the user space memory clear. So I get= > to read some random person's emails. Check it out if you have one of > t= he Just Deals mailstations or another refurbished unit. > > Not necessarly = useful information, but interesting and raises several > questions about = privacy. I find it both useful and interesting! Useful, because it inspir= ed me to take another look at the file structure from the hex-viewer. I hav= e been trying to understand the file system by examining the code. But the= re were several details that hadn't really clicked into place. Looking at= some files after knowing a little bit about the structure provided a coupl= e of big "AHA!!!" moments. And interesting, because it raises the question= of just where the responsibility lies for protecting the privacy of data t= hat is locked inside of an appliance with non-removable and non-volatile m= emory. I tend to believe it should be the users responsibility. But maybe= as consumers, we need to demand a privacy policy from the manufacturers an= d dealers of these kinds of devices? --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 22375 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2005 03:12:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2005 03:12:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.44) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2005 03:12:48 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n10.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2005 03:12:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.71] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Nov 2005 03:12:12 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 03:12:11 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: Just Deals DET1 has someone's old messages in memory X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=aoSWMPNhBpaTKJfFB7kyA566YLcRkhJ1wdHx20q2yjwxbLNRbJSZGyS94g X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 173 Lines: 11 Testing the flash seems to wipe out all of the dataflash, except for the se= rial number. The files are no longer just tagged as deleted, they are zer= oed out. --CJ From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: niklaus37217@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 41460 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2005 19:08:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Nov 2005 19:08:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.147) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2005 19:08:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 63381 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Nov 2005 19:08:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20051129190812.63379.qmail@...> Received: from [170.143.252.32] by web31601.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:08:12 PST Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:08:12 -0800 (PST) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Gary Clouse Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: Just Deals DET1 has someone's old messages in memory X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=154404643; y=lMrho2B62gDP0CTrTj1-yrWluKpf9rCVEqTHr6iW59viud7rEJGf X-Yahoo-Profile: niklaus37217 Status: RO Content-Length: 2697 Lines: 103 I work a lot with used computers, and they often have old data on them. I will usually backup the data, and hold it until I can verify that the previous owner doen't want it, at which time I delete the backup. MOst of the time the former owner is unreachable or doesn't want the old data. --- Cyrano Jones wrote: > --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, "Chris H" > wrote: > > ... > > So I was playing around with an old Southwestern > Bell branded > > "eMessage" (DET1 MIVO 100 w/ 2.22CIDSV firmware) > that I got from > Just > > Deals a good time ago, and while browsing with the > hex editor > > (Shift-Fn-T while powering on, then hiting shift > F3? however it is > > done, I forget) > > Hi Chris, > > It's Shift-F5 (from test mode), to enter hex viewer > mode. > > From there, an interesting key sequence is > g710304x > > Then try function-s > You will find yourself in hex *edit* mode. :-) > > > I found what appear to be someone else's saved > emails. > > The unit came to me unconfigured, I've added one > user and left the > > other 4 blank. At around 02 c0 a0 plus or minus > there are several > > emails from/to a Kirstin who is apparently new to > email ("I GOT MAIL > > FOR MY PHONE!!"). Interesting to read. My guess is > that the Just > Deals > > units were re-furbished from a warrenty return. > They reset them at > the > > factory but that does not wipe the user space > memory clear. So I get > > to read some random person's emails. Check it out > if you have one of > > the Just Deals mailstations or another refurbished > unit. > > > > Not necessarly useful information, but interesting > and raises > several > > questions about privacy. > > I find it both useful and interesting! Useful, > because it inspired > me to take another look at the file structure from > the hex-viewer. > I have been trying to understand the file system by > examining the > code. But there were several details that hadn't > really clicked > into place. Looking at some files after knowing a > little bit about > the structure provided a couple of big "AHA!!!" > moments. > > And interesting, because it raises the question of > just where the > responsibility lies for protecting the privacy of > data that is > locked inside of an appliance with non-removable and > non-volatile > memory. > > I tend to believe it should be the users > responsibility. But maybe > as consumers, we need to demand a privacy policy > from the > manufacturers and dealers of these kinds of devices? > > --CJ > > > > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: konablend@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 63831 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2006 07:37:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jan 2006 07:37:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.35) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2006 07:37:14 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2006 07:34:37 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jan 2006 07:34:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 07:34:37 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "konablend" Subject: I have an Idea! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=138188748; y=tfhSar9j-1OVCRz1JPsPCsnDo_-GaCXtcGIOrbVlOs1Ct49p X-Yahoo-Profile: konablend Status: RO Content-Length: 1057 Lines: 35 I'm sure I'm not the first. I have a DET1 Blah blah blah...2.54Y Firmware.= Let me get to the point. I can get into the edit mode of the hex viewer= . As I understand it, what i'm looking at is all user mem and not ROM. B= ut the ROM is flashable. And there are instructions already in place to d= o it. And you can enter your own apps by hand in hex and run them in the = yahoo! feature or wherever. All I want to do in turn XTND off or at least= change the strings to something else the POP3 server wont puke on (-ERR).= 0C1D30 in the rom is what I'm looking to change. 0C1C70, AND 0C1DB0 as w= ell. 06bab0 has a couple of strings but thats all they are for what I kno= w. So basically what I want to do is change XTND to something that wont = return -ERR on most POP3 servers, and I want to do it without flashing the= ROM externally. I am more than willing to enter hex for a few hours to m= ake it work. Maybe someone will write an editor for the rom someday. Any= idea's anyone? --Hoping this will get read, ERIC From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: niklaus37217@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74014 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 18:02:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2006 18:02:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31610.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.156) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 18:02:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 19134 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jan 2006 18:00:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20060123180046.19132.qmail@...> Received: from [170.143.252.32] by web31610.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:00:46 PST Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:00:46 -0800 (PST) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Gary Clouse Subject: Re: [mailstation] I have an Idea! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=154404643; y=Vg9KFnceYq1Gc5h4xGG38agsDSXKFyHwcOruzCWM_wHisGJLvmz6 X-Yahoo-Profile: niklaus37217 Status: RO Content-Length: 1510 Lines: 51 The Rabbit cpu used in the mailstations have a hardware flashmemory function that works through the parallel port. I don't know how to access it through the printer port, but someone on the list probably does. --- konablend wrote: > I'm sure I'm not the first. I have a DET1 Blah blah > blah...2.54Y > Firmware. Let me get to the point. I can get into > the edit mode of > the hex viewer. As I understand it, what i'm > looking at is all user > mem and not ROM. But the ROM is flashable. And > there are > instructions already in place to do it. And you can > enter your own > apps by hand in hex and run them in the yahoo! > feature or wherever. > All I want to do in turn XTND off or at least change > the strings to > something else the POP3 server wont puke on (-ERR). > 0C1D30 in the rom > is what I'm looking to change. 0C1C70, AND 0C1DB0 as > well. 06bab0 has > a couple of strings but thats all they are for what > I know. So > basically what I want to do is change XTND to > something that wont > return -ERR on most POP3 servers, and I want to do > it without flashing > the ROM externally. I am more than willing to enter > hex for a few > hours to make it work. Maybe someone will write an > editor for the rom > someday. Any idea's anyone? > > > --Hoping this will get read, ERIC > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: neilsmorr@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 15986 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2006 18:52:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jan 2006 18:52:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net) (199.185.220.223) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2006 18:52:04 -0000 Received: from NewBaby ([209.121.230.219]) by priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with SMTP id <20060123184200.IBZF12833.priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net@NewBaby> for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:42:00 -0700 Message-ID: <0e7e01c6204c$b23a3400$dbe679d1@NewBaby> To: References: <20060123180046.19132.qmail@...> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:31:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Neil Morrison" Subject: Re: [mailstation] I have an Idea! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=130594100; y=PSgLsgYGT48cO-zpvLnzEHf8AaZYhJw6ru2Bdobwr7q6YCkG6Q X-Yahoo-Profile: neils_morr Status: RO Content-Length: 355 Lines: 16 Did you look at old messages, or the files section? Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Clouse" > The Rabbit cpu used in the mailstations have a > hardware flashmemory function that works through the > parallel port. I don't know how to access it through > the printer port, but someone on the list probably > does. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30424 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2006 05:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2006 05:51:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.53) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2006 05:51:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n24.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2006 05:48:32 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Jan 2006 05:48:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:48:30 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060123180046.19132.qmail@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: I have an Idea! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=dnIJ-QTDpKuoAhgoAmXwd7Uc3X9FOqtJqV5vgJwQnqKYW3-3M_RnW6GJJw X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 4230 Lines: 174 --- In mailstation@yahoogroups.com, Gary Clouse wrote:= > > The Rabbit cpu used in the mailstations have a > hardware flashmemory = function that works through the > parallel port. I don't know how to access= it through > the printer port, but someone on the list probably > does. = Why do you think it is a Rabbit cpu??? It does not even come close to mat= ching the pinouts of the standard Rabbit chips that I am aware of. As far= as I know, it is not a Rabbit part. In my personal opinion, it is a cu= stom ASIC. But there is a built-in reflash function, in *software*. One = of the things that my "mailbug" debugger does is interface with this nativ= e reflash capability (via parallel port & laplink cable), allowing you to = re-program the mailstations codeflash. So far, the only thing *I* have fl= ashed in any of my mailstations is code that lets me boot up the remote d= ebugger. But it can be used to flash whatever you want. Ferinstince, if so= meone was inclined to write completely new firmware, mailbug can flash it = into a stock mailstation. Or, if you just want to make some changes to ex= isting mailstation firmware, it can reflash with your modified firmware. = I have been working (Ha!) on a new version of the boot code (code that boo= ts up the remote debug functions of mailbug) that can be used without erasi= ng the existing mailstation code. (The native reflash erases most of the = codeflash *before* you get a chance to "back it up".) This new version wi= ll (when I get it working) let you load and execute your own code over the = laplink, without killing the existing mailstation code. It also will let = you save to disk an intact image of your particular firmware version. Afte= r saving your firmware to a file on PC, you can edit it with whatever tools= you like, and then flash your new version back to your mailstation. If y= ou are working with mailstation firmware 2.53yr or 2.54, you can do this n= ow, with the currently posted mailbug 0.0.3. There are images of those tw= o firmware versions in the group download area. So, for those two, you do= n't really need to save your own images. One catch, mailbug 0.0.3 will no= t let you change the first four pages of codeflash with the native reflash.= If you load the remote debug boot code, then you can flash anything anyw= here. Mailbug 0.0.4 will flash the whole codeflash without needing to load= the remote debugger. -- CJ > --- konablend wrote: > = > > I'm sure I'm not the first. I have a DET1 Blah blah > > blah...2.54Y = > > Firmware. Let me get to the point. I can get into > > the edit mode o= f > > the hex viewer. As I understand it, what i'm > > looking at is all = user > > mem and not ROM. But the ROM is flashable. And > > there are >= > instructions already in place to do it. And you can > > enter your own = > > apps by hand in hex and run them in the yahoo! > > feature or wherever= . > > All I want to do in turn XTND off or at least change > > the string= s to > > something else the POP3 server wont puke on (-ERR). > > 0C1D30 i= n the rom > > is what I'm looking to change. 0C1C70, AND 0C1DB0 as > > wel= l. 06bab0 has > > a couple of strings but thats all they are for what > >= I know. So > > basically what I want to do is change XTND to > > somethi= ng that wont > > return -ERR on most POP3 servers, and I want to do > > it= without flashing > > the ROM externally. I am more than willing to enter= > > hex for a few > > hours to make it work. Maybe someone will write an= > > editor for the rom > > someday. Any idea's anyone? > > > > > > --H= oping this will get read, ERIC > > > > > > > > > > > ________________= __________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo= ! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > This= is a test, and this line starts at left margin. This line is indente= d 5 spaces. < someone suggested that angle brackets might keep l= ines from being "fixed" by the friendly yahoo people.... I wonder= if it will???> we now return to our regularly scheduled program. From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: niklaus37217@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 74654 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2006 22:31:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jan 2006 22:31:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web31614.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (68.142.198.160) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jan 2006 22:31:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 15614 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jan 2006 22:30:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20060130223042.15608.qmail@...> Received: from [170.143.252.32] by web31614.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:30:42 PST Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:30:42 -0800 (PST) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Gary Clouse Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: I have an Idea! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=154404643; y=jxe1AoqhW_97kWHr_82m-iCOGtQ61f5JGI2TOSjFW1PAfYjXkF4F X-Yahoo-Profile: niklaus37217 Status: RO Content-Length: 700 Lines: 22 --- Cyrano Jones wrote: > Why do you think it is a Rabbit cpu??? It does not > even > come close to matching the pinouts of the standard > Rabbit chips that I am aware of. As far as I know, > it is not a Rabbit part. Of the 2 that I have ( 1 120 and a 150 ) the 120 has a rabbit chip in it. It is apparently a discontinued part that was replaced by the 2000. The Rabbit 2000 is functionally similar. both are based on a Z180 compatible core. I'll have to take a peek at theh 150's innards and see what it has. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: cyranojones_lalp@... 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2006 05:35:58 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.91] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jan 2006 05:35:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 05:35:57 -0000 To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060130223042.15608.qmail@...> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="4-4718720198-9425863565=:3" X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Cyrano Jones" Subject: Re: I have an Idea! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=180177407; y=JBNJm5Y-nnDAke8eptKezPqxhACX_f3JhBbyHzrzwCujnkekDec1EOzdBg X-Yahoo-Profile: cyranojones_lalp Status: RO Content-Length: 2647 Lines: 104 --4-4718720198-9425863565=:3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --- Gary Clouse wrote: > > > --- Cyrano Jones cyranojo= nes_lalp@y... wrote: > > > Why do you think it is a Rabbit cpu??? It does n= ot > > even > > come close to matching the pinouts of the standard > > Rabb= it chips that I am aware of. As far as I know, > > it is not a Rabbit part.= > > Of the 2 that I have ( 1 120 and a 150 ) the 120 has a > rabbit chip i= n it. It is apparently a discontinued > part that was replaced by the 2000.= The Rabbit 2000 is > functionally similar. both are based on a Z180 > comp= atible core. I'll have to take a peek at theh > 150's innards and see what = it has. Are you saying that you have something other than the 3SI176 chip,= or that the 3SI176 is a Rabbit part? I have opened up a lot of different = models, and found the same chip in all (3SI176), except for the 350, which = had a Toshiba TMP91C820AF. These are the models I know of: http://groups.y= ahoo.com/group/mailstation/database?method=3DreportRows=3D1 -- CJ = just testin' rich text editor... this line starts at left margin this line = is indented --4-4718720198-9425863565=:3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--4-4718720198-9425863565=:3-- From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: niklaus37217@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 30215 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2006 00:10:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2006 00:10:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web34507.mail.mud.yahoo.com) (66.163.178.173) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2006 00:10:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 91576 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Feb 2006 00:10:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20060203001059.91574.qmail@...> Received: from [170.143.252.32] by web34507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:10:59 PST Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:10:59 -0800 (PST) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Gary Clouse Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: I have an Idea! X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=154404643; y=_X4qkCujHltUrswagvhPHgv0VFf9RxJjTCBlfhZhA7VqOpeY5Cxi X-Yahoo-Profile: niklaus37217 Status: RO Content-Length: 1592 Lines: 67 I opened up my other one and it has the same chip set. Several months ago I did find the part number on a chip directory, which listed it a rabbit semiconductor CPU as compatible. I think the 3si176 is a chinese clone. --- Cyrano Jones wrote: > > --- Gary Clouse wrote: > > > > > > --- Cyrano Jones cyranojones_lalp@y... wrote: > > > > > Why do you think it is a Rabbit cpu??? It does > not > > > even > > > come close to matching the pinouts of the > standard > > > Rabbit chips that I am aware of. As far as I > know, > > > it is not a Rabbit part. > > > > Of the 2 that I have ( 1 120 and a 150 ) the 120 > has a > > rabbit chip in it. It is apparently a discontinued > > part that was replaced by the 2000. The Rabbit > 2000 is > > functionally similar. both are based on a Z180 > > compatible core. I'll have to take a peek at theh > > 150's innards and see what it has. > > Are you saying that you have something other than > the 3SI176 chip, or that the 3SI176 is a Rabbit > part? > > I have opened up a lot of different models, and > found > the same chip in all (3SI176), except for the 350, > which > had a Toshiba TMP91C820AF. > > These are the models I know of: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mailstation/database?method=reportRows=1 > > -- CJ > > > > > > > > > just testin' rich text editor... > this line starts at left margin this line is > indented > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody@nowhere Sat Dec 29 20:52:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Sender: ab8kf@... X-Apparently-To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 75282 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2006 23:07:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.35) by m29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2006 23:07:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web51014.mail.yahoo.com) (206.190.39.79) by mta9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2006 23:07:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 84639 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Feb 2006 23:07:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20060203230704.84637.qmail@...> Received: from [66.97.136.124] by web51014.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:07:04 PST Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:07:04 -0800 (PST) To: mailstation@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20060203001059.91574.qmail@...> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: Sean Walton Subject: Re: [mailstation] Re: I have an Idea! X-Yahoo-Gro