IN_IN THE_DT UNITED_NNP STATES_NNS DISTRICT_JJ COURT_NN FOR_IN THE_DT MIDDLE_NNP DISTRICT_JJ OF_IN PENNSYLVANIA_NNP 
Case_NNP Number_NNP 4:04_NN -_: CV-_NNP 02688_CD TAMMY_NNP J._NN KITZMILLER_NNP ,_, et_CC al._NN ,_, Plaintiffs_NNS vs._NN DOVER_NNP AREA_NN SCHOOL_NNP DISTRICT_JJ ;_: DOVER_NNP AREA_NN SCHOOL_NNP DISTRICT_JJ BOARD_NNP OF_IN DIRECTORS_NNP ,_, Defendants_NNS 
AFTERNOON_NNP SESSION_NNP 
TRANSCRIPT_NNP OF_IN PROCEEDINGS_NNS OF_IN BENCH_NNP TRIAL_NN 
Before_IN :_: HONORABLE_NNP JOHN_NNP E._NN JONES_NNP ,_, III_NNP 
Date_NN :_: September_NNP 28_CD ,_, 
Place_NN :_: Courtroom_NNP Number_NNP 2_CD ,_, 9th_CD Floor_NNP Federal_NNP Building_NNP Walnut_NNP Street_NNP Harrisburg_NNP ,_, Pennsylvania_NNP 
COUNSEL_NN PRESENT_NNP :_: 
ERIC_NNP J._NN ROTHSCHILD_NNP ,_, ESQ_NNP ._. 
WITOLD_NNP J._NN WALCZAK_NNP ,_, ESQ_NNP ._. 
STEPHEN_NNP G._NN HARVEY_NNP ,_, ESQ_NNP ._. 
RICHARD_NNP B._NN KATSKEE_NNP ,_, ESQ_NNP ._. 
For_IN Plaintiffs_NNS 
PATRICK_NNP T._NN GILLEN_NNP ,_, ESQ_NNP ._. 
RICHARD_NNP THOMPSON_NNP ,_, ESQ_NNP ._. 
ROBERT_NNP J._NN MUISE_NNP ,_, EQ_NNP For_IN Defendants_NNS 
Lori_NNP A._NN Shuey_NNP ,_, RPR_NNP ,_, CRR_NNP Official_NNP Court_NNP Reporter_NNP 
INDEX_NN 
WITNESSES_NNP 
For_IN Plaintiffs_NNS :_: Julie_NNP Smith_NNP Christy_NNP Rehm_NNP Beth_NNP Eveland_NNP 
(_( The_DT following_VBG discussion_NN occurred_VBD in_IN chambers_NNS :_: 
)_) Let_VB 's_PRP go_VB on_IN the_DT record_NN ._. 
We_PRP are_VBP in_IN chambers_NNS ,_, and_CC this_DT is_VBZ the_DT matter_NN of_IN Kitzmiller_NNP ,_, of_IN course_NN ,_, versus_CC Dover_NNP Area_NNP School_NNP District_NNP ._. 
We_PRP have_VBP assembled_VBN as_IN planned_VBN with_IN respect_NN to_TO the_DT issue_NN of_IN certain_JJ subpoenas_NNS that_WDT have_VBP been_VBN issued_VBN to_TO reporters_NNS Joseph_NNP Maldonado_NNP and_CC Heidi_NNP Bernhard-_NNP Bubb_NNP ._. 
Present_VB in_IN chambers_NNS are_VBP counsel_NN for_IN both_DT the_DT plaintiffs_NNS and_CC the_DT defendants_NNS ,_, and_CC in_IN addition_NN to_TO that_DT ,_, let_VB me_PRP ask_VB that_IN you_PRP enter_VBP your_PRP$ appearances_NNS specially_RB ,_, presumably_RB as_IN counsel_NN for_IN the_DT individuals_NNS we_PRP referred_VBD to_TO in_IN our_PRP$ orders_NNS collectively_RB as_IN "_'' reporters_NNS ._. "_'' 
I_PRP 'm_VBP here_RB ,_, Niles_NNP Benn_NNP ,_, on_IN behalf_NN of_IN both_DT of_IN the_DT reporters_NNS ,_, Heidi_NNP Bernard-_NNP Bubb_NNP and_CC Joseph_NNP Maldonado_NNP ._. 
And_CC with_IN me_PRP is_VBZ Terance_NNP Barna_NNP ,_, an_DT attorney_NN in_IN my_PRP$ office_NN ,_, as_RB well_RB ._. 
All_DT right_JJ ._. 
Now_RB ,_, previously_RB ,_, on_IN September_NNP 12th_JJ ,_, the_DT Court_NNP entered_VBD an_DT order_NN which_WDT went_VBD to_TO the_DT motion_NN for_IN reconsideration_NN ._. 
That_DT related_VBN specifically_RB to_TO --_: filed_VBN by_IN the_DT reporters_NNS ._. 
That_DT went_VBD specifically_RB to_TO our_PRP$ August_NNP 2nd_CD order_NN which_WDT ,_, in_IN effect_NN ,_, said_VBD that_IN the_DT reporters_NNS would_MD have_VB to_TO testify_VB at_IN certain_JJ depositions_NNS ._. 
Subsequently_RB ,_, the_DT reporters_NNS were_VBD ,_, if_IN memory_NN serves_VBZ ,_, approximately_RB eight_CD days_NNS ago_RB ,_, subpoenaed_VBN to_TO testify_VB by_IN the_DT plaintiffs_NNS in_IN the_DT case-in-chief_JJ ._. 
Yet_RB another_DT motion_NN to_TO quash_NN or_CC for_IN alternative_JJ relief_NN was_VBD filed_VBN by_IN the_DT reporters_NNS through_IN Mr._NN Benn_NNP 's_POS office_NN ._. 
By_IN our_PRP$ order_NN of_IN last_JJ Thursday_NNP --_: the_DT date_NN escapes_NNS me_PRP ,_, I_PRP think_VBP it_PRP was_VBD Thursday_NNP --_: the_DT Court_NNP denied_VBD relief_NN in_IN that_DT matter_NN ._. 
The_DT Court_NNP was_VBD advised_VBN that_DT yesterday_NN ,_, on_IN September_NNP the_DT 27th_JJ ,_, the_DT reporters_NNS ,_, both_DT of_IN them_PRP ,_, showed_VBD up_RB at_IN the_DT appointed_JJ times_NNS for_IN their_PRP$ depositions_NNS as_RB appropriately_RB scheduled_VBN by_IN the_DT defendants_NNS ,_, and_CC I_PRP 'm_VBP advised_VBN --_: and_CC I_PRP 'll_MD correct_VB this_DT if_IN I_PRP 'm_VBP wrong_JJ --_: that_IN both_DT reporters_NNS cited_VBD the_DT reporter_NN 's_POS privilege_NN that_IN they_PRP consider_VBP to_TO exist_VB under_IN the_DT First_CD Amendment_NNP so_IN that_IN they_PRP would_MD not_RB answer_VB any_DT questions_NNS at_IN those_DT depositions_NNS ._. 
We_PRP 're_VBP brought_VBN here_RB today_NN by_IN that_DT ,_, as_RB well_RB as_IN the_DT fact_NN that_IN I_PRP presume_NN you_PRP 're_VBP here_RB because_IN the_DT reporters_NNS have_VBP been_VBN properly_RB subpoenaed_VBN to_TO appear_VB in_IN the_DT plaintiffs_NNS '_POS case-in-chief_JJ ._. 
Now_RB ,_, have_VBP I_PRP mischaracterized_JJ anything_NN from_IN your_PRP$ standpoint_NN ?_. 
No_DT ,_, everything_NN that_IN you_PRP said_VBD is_VBZ correct_JJ ,_, Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ._. 
Now_RB ,_, the_DT most_JJS salient_NN question_NN then_RB is_VBZ ,_, with_IN respect_NN to_TO the_DT reporters_NNS '_POS appearance_NN today_NN ,_, is_VBZ it_PRP your_PRP$ understanding_NN that_IN the_DT reporters_NNS are_VBP intending_VBG to_TO invoke_VB the_DT same_JJ privilege_NN cited_VBN by_IN them_PRP yesterday_NN ,_, if_IN called_VBN ,_, when_WRB called_VBN ,_, to_TO testify_VB by_IN the_DT plaintiffs_NNS ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
All_DT right_JJ ._. 
But_CC that_DT 's_VBZ the_DT reason_NN why_WRB I_PRP had_VBD asked_VBN if_IN we_PRP could_MD have_VB this_DT conference_NN ._. 
The_DT floor_NN is_VBZ yours_NNS ._. 
Thanks_NNS ._. 
I_PRP 'm_VBP not_RB here_RB to_TO discuss_VB law_NN ._. 
I_PRP think_VBP we_PRP have_VBP discussed_VBN the_DT law_NN ad_NN nauseam_NN with_IN respect_NN to_TO briefs_NNS ,_, argument_NN ._. 
I_PRP certainly_RB understand_VBP the_DT opinion_NN and_CC orders_NNS that_WDT have_VBP been_VBN rendered_VBN by_IN the_DT Court_NNP ,_, and_CC I_PRP appreciate_VBP them_PRP ._. 
And_CC I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB want_VB there_EX to_TO be_VB a_DT misunderstanding_VBG in_IN terms_NNS as_IN to_TO this_DT case_NN being_VBG wrongly_RB focused_VBN ._. 
And_CC what_WP I_PRP mean_VBP by_IN that_DT ,_, with_IN regard_NN to_TO all_DT of_IN you_PRP in_IN this_DT room_NN is_VBZ that_IN we_PRP 've_VBP got_VBN approximately_RB 40_CD people_NNS from_IN the_DT media_NNS that_WDT are_VBP observing_VBG this_DT trial_NN in_IN the_DT courtroom_NN ,_, plus_CC outside_IN of_IN the_DT courtroom_NN ._. 
In_IN speaking_VBG for_IN myself_PRP ,_, it_PRP would_MD be_VB my_PRP$ humble_JJ opinion_NN that_IN if_IN these_DT parties_NNS were_VBD called_VBN to_TO the_DT stand_NN to_TO testify_VB and_CC refuse_VB to_TO testify_VB ,_, as_IN I_PRP just_RB indicated_VBD to_TO you_PRP ,_, Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ,_, that_IN I_PRP think_VBP the_DT focus_NN of_IN this_DT trial_NN all_DT of_IN the_DT sudden_JJ is_VBZ n't_RB addressed_VBN as_IN to_TO intelligent_JJ design_NN ,_, but_CC rather_RB the_DT media_NNS is_VBZ going_VBG to_TO be_VB very_RB much_RB concerned_VBN in_IN terms_NNS as_IN to_TO these_DT stringers_NNS ,_, not_RB full-time_JJ employees_NNS ,_, not_RB employees_NNS at_IN all_DT ,_, standing_NN up_RP for_IN what_WP they_PRP think_VBP is_VBZ right_JJ ._. 
And_CC I_PRP really_RB truly_RB believe_VBP in_IN my_PRP$ heart_NN of_IN hearts_NNS the_DT focus_NN gets_VBZ misdirected_JJ ._. 
I_PRP really_RB truly_RB do_VBP mean_VB that_RB ,_, because_IN I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB think_VB that_WDT should_MD be_VB the_DT focus_NN of_IN this_DT case_NN ._. 
As_IN a_DT result_NN of_IN that_DT ,_, Mr._NN Barna_NNP and_CC I_PRP have_VBP spent_VBN days_NNS in_IN an_DT effort_NN to_TO try_VB to_TO see_VB if_IN there_EX was_VBD a_DT means_NN by_IN which_WDT we_PRP could_MD somehow_RB ameliorate_NN the_DT problem_NN so_IN that_RB ,_, in_IN a_DT certain_JJ sense_NN ,_, everybody_NN gets_VBZ what_WP they_PRP want_VBP ._. 
I_PRP clearly_RB will_MD not_RB get_VB what_WP I_PRP want_VBP ,_, because_IN at_IN the_DT end_NN of_IN the_DT day_NN ,_, if_IN I_PRP agree_VBP that_IN my_PRP$ reporters_NNS are_VBP going_VBG to_TO testify_VB predicated_VBN upon_IN something_NN that_IN I_PRP want_VBP to_TO propose_VB here_RB ,_, that_DT 's_VBZ more_JJR than_IN I_PRP would_MD want_VB ,_, because_IN I_PRP stand_VBP by_IN the_DT fact_NN and_CC they_PRP stand_VBP by_IN the_DT fact_NN that_IN there_EX 's_VBZ a_DT reporter_NN 's_POS privilege_NN here_RB ._. 
They_PRP refuse_VBP to_TO testify_VB at_IN a_DT deposition_NN ,_, and_CC my_PRP$ suggestion_NN to_TO them_PRP was_VBD that_IN if_IN we_PRP were_VBD capable_JJ of_IN resolving_VBG something_NN as_IN a_DT result_NN of_IN this_DT conference_NN ,_, that_IN they_PRP would_MD then_RB attend_VB a_DT deposition_NN ,_, because_IN I_PRP believe_VBP the_DT defendants_NNS would_MD have_VB a_DT right_NN to_TO cross-examine_JJ them_PRP or_CC otherwise_RB examine_VB them_PRP prior_RB to_TO them_PRP taking_VBG the_DT stand_NN ._. 
And_CC based_VBN upon_IN that_DT ,_, they_PRP would_MD then_RB testify_VB in_IN court_NN ._. 
But_CC we_PRP have_VBP several_JJ issues_NNS ._. 
One_CD is_VBZ that_IN when_WRB we_PRP filed_VBD our_PRP$ motion_NN to_TO quash_NN last_JJ week_NN ,_, quite_RB honestly_RB ,_, we_PRP thought_VBD we_PRP did_VBD it_PRP in_IN a_DT timely_JJ fashion_NN because_IN we_PRP filed_VBD it_PRP only_RB after_IN we_PRP were_VBD served_VBN with_IN the_DT subpoena_NN ._. 
Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP summarily_RB dismissed_VBD that_DT motion_NN to_TO quash_NN ,_, so_RB ,_, in_IN effect_NN ,_, if_IN my_PRP$ reporters_NNS were_VBD to_TO be_VB called_VBN upon_IN to_TO testify_VB today_NN by_IN the_DT plaintiffs_NNS ,_, they_PRP 're_VBP undressed_JJ ._. 
They_PRP 've_VBP got_VBN no_DT protective_JJ order_NN at_IN all_DT ._. 
They_PRP 're_VBP just_RB regular_JJ people_NNS ._. 
Because_IN the_DT order_NN I_PRP believe_VBP that_IN you_PRP had_VBD previously_RB entered_VBN related_VBN to_TO the_DT deposition_NN and_CC not_RB related_VBN to_TO their_PRP$ appearance_NN in_IN court_NN ._. 
So_RB that_WDT raises_VBZ an_DT issue_NN for_IN us_PRP because_IN clearly_RB we_PRP would_MD otherwise_RB object_VB to_TO them_PRP taking_VBG the_DT stand_NN under_IN the_DT order_NN as_IN it_PRP currently_RB exists_VBZ or_CC the_DT motion_NN that_IN you_PRP 're_VBP --_: your_PRP$ position_NN that_IN the_DT motion_NN to_TO quash_NN could_MD not_RB stand_VB ._. 
I_PRP interpret_VBP the_DT order_NN and_CC the_DT amended_JJ order_NN to_TO mean_VB that_IN Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ,_, in_IN a_DT sense_NN ,_, has_VBZ addressed_VBN them_PRP as_IN fact_NN witnesses_NNS ._. 
I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB think_VB you_PRP actually_RB come_VBP out_IN and_CC use_VB the_DT word_NN "_'' fact_NN witnesses_NNS ,_, "_'' but_CC as_IN one_CD reads_VBZ the_DT order_NN ,_, that_DT 's_VBZ the_DT implication_NN ._. 
And_CC you_PRP initially_RB had_VBD indicated_VBN that_IN you_PRP did_VBD not_RB feel_VB that_IN the_DT reporter_NN 's_POS privilege_NN stood_VBD in_IN this_DT kind_NN of_IN a_DT case_NN ._. 
These_DT two_CD newspapers_NNS respectively_RB go_VBP to_TO approximately_RB 89_CD municipal_JJ meetings_NNS in_IN terms_NNS of_IN different_JJ municipalities_NNS and_CC school_NN districts_NNS ._. 
And_CC ironically_RB --_: in_IN a_DT sense_NN ,_, I_PRP have_VBP to_TO commend_VB both_DT Mr._NN Maldonado_NNP and_CC Ms._NN Bernard-_NNP Bubb_NNP because_IN ,_, again_RB ,_, they_PRP 're_VBP paid_VBN per_IN story_NN ._. 
They_PRP get_VBP anywhere_RB between_IN $_$ 40_CD and_CC $_$ 50_CD a_DT story_NN ._. 
They_PRP might_MD make_VB $_$ 300_CD ,_, $_$ 400_CD a_DT week_NN if_IN they_PRP write_VBP X_NNP number_NN of_IN stories_NNS ,_, and_CC that_DT 's_VBZ it_PRP ._. 
And_CC the_DT stories_NNS that_IN they_PRP write_VBP predominantly_RB are_VBP municipal_JJ stories_NNS ._. 
She_PRP 's_VBZ a_DT full-time_JJ mom_NN ._. 
She_PRP 's_VBZ breastfeeding_VBG ._. 
She_PRP has_VBZ a_DT seven-month_JJ old_JJ child_NN ,_, and_CC so_IN she_PRP works_VBZ at_IN night_NN when_WRB her_PRP$ husband_NN is_VBZ at_IN home_NN ._. 
He_PRP 's_VBZ a_DT schoolteacher_NN ._. 
Mr._NN Maldonado_NNP owns_VBZ a_DT little_JJ deli_NNS in_IN the_DT market_NN in_IN York_NNP ,_, and_CC he_PRP home-schools_JJ his_PRP$ son_NN ,_, his_PRP$ youngest_JJS son_NN who_WP has_VBZ learning_VBG disabilities_NNS ._. 
And_CC he_PRP 's_VBZ been_VBN doing_VBG that_IN for_IN the_DT last_JJ three_CD years_NNS ._. 
So_IN this_DT is_VBZ just_RB supplemental_JJ income_NN to_TO them_PRP because_IN they_PRP 're_VBP not_RB very_RB wealthy_JJ people_NNS ._. 
But_CC yet_RB without_IN a_DT lot_NN of_IN education_NN in_IN terms_NNS of_IN journalism_NN ,_, they_PRP believe_VBP that_IN what_WP they_PRP 're_VBP standing_NN for_IN is_VBZ the_DT right_NN thing_NN ._. 
I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB have_VB control_NN over_IN them_PRP as_IN I_PRP would_MD an_DT employee_NN of_IN the_DT Daily_NNP Record_NNP or_CC the_DT Dispatch_NNP because_IN they_PRP are_VBP stringers_NNS and_CC independent_JJ ._. 
So_RB having_VBG said_VBN that_IN ,_, their_PRP$ fear_NN is_VBZ that_IN because_IN of_IN all_PDT those_DT municipalities_NNS that_IN they_PRP cover_VBP and_CC the_DT school_NN districts_NNS that_IN they_PRP cover_VBP ,_, that_IN at_IN least_JJS in_IN the_DT Middle_NNP District_NNP Court_NNP ,_, should_MD a_DT matter_VB come_VB up_RB similar_JJ to_TO this_DT case_NN ,_, then_RB they_PRP are_VBP exposed_VBN as_IN a_DT fact_NN witness_NN ._. 
I_PRP 've_VBP related_VBN to_TO them_PRP ,_, quite_RB frankly_RB ,_, this_DT is_VBZ the_DT first_JJ case_NN we_PRP 've_VBP ever_RB had_VBN in_IN federal_JJ court_NN in_IN the_DT years_NNS that_IN I_PRP 've_VBP been_VBN doing_VBG newspaper_NN law_NN ,_, and_CC most_JJS of_IN our_PRP$ cases_NNS are_VBP in_IN county_NN courts_NNS ,_, and_CC so_RB ,_, you_PRP know_VBP ,_, there_EX 's_VBZ a_DT different_JJ issue_NN there_RB ._. 
But_CC having_VBG said_VBN that_IN ,_, the_DT concern_NN that_IN I_PRP have_VBP is_VBZ that_IN there_EX is_VBZ a_DT precedent_NN being_VBG set_VBN in_IN the_DT counties_NNS that_IN these_DT people_NNS otherwise_RB work_VBP ._. 
So_RB how_WRB do_VBP I_PRP make_VBP it_PRP better_JJR ?_. 
Well_RB ,_, we_PRP provided_VBD an_DT affidavit_NN ,_, and_CC that_DT affidavit_NN indicated_VBD that_IN we_PRP ,_, if_IN called_VBN upon_IN to_TO testify_VB ,_, would_MD validate_NN the_DT authenticity_NN of_IN the_DT articles_NNS that_WDT were_VBD written_VBN ._. 
We_PRP did_VBD that_IN ,_, in_IN effect_NN ,_, to_TO offer_VB to_TO both_DT sides_NNS so_IN that_IN we_PRP would_MD n't_RB otherwise_RB have_VB to_TO testify_VB ._. 
Accepted_JJ by_IN the_DT plaintiffs_NNS ,_, not_RB accepted_VBN by_IN the_DT defendants_NNS ._. 
Defendants_NNS wanted_VBD to_TO have_VB the_DT right_NN of_IN cross-examination_JJ ._. 
And_CC at_IN the_DT time_NN when_WRB you_PRP wrote_VBD the_DT original_JJ order_NN and_CC you_PRP used_VBD the_DT words_NNS "_'' perceived_VBN ,_, saw_VBD ,_, and_CC heard_VBD ,_, "_'' we_PRP were_VBD concerned_VBN ,_, as_IN you_PRP well_RB know_VBP ,_, with_IN the_DT word_NN "_'' perceived_VBN "_'' in_IN terms_NNS as_IN to_TO what_WP 's_VBZ the_DT thought_NN process_NN ._. 
And_CC there_EX was_VBD dialogue_NN on_IN the_DT phone_NN amongst_IN all_DT of_IN us_PRP ,_, and_CC you_PRP made_VBD it_PRP very_RB clear_JJ that_IN you_PRP did_VBD not_RB want_VB any_DT testimony_NN that_WDT would_MD otherwise_RB relate_VB to_TO biases_NNS and_CC prejudices_NNS ._. 
And_CC ,_, in_IN fact_NN ,_, when_WRB you_PRP reviewed_VBD the_DT notes_NNS of_IN the_DT reporters_NNS ,_, you_PRP had_VBD also_RB indicated_VBN that_IN your_PRP$ review_NN of_IN Heidi_NNP Bubb_NNP 's_POS notes_NNS and_CC the_DT e-mails_JJ clearly_RB evidence_NN that_IN there_EX was_VBD no_DT bias_NN in_IN the_DT writings_NNS ,_, those_DT writings_NNS ._. 
The_DT concern_NN that_IN we_PRP currently_RB have_VBP is_VBZ that_IN the_DT order_NN reads_VBZ ,_, in_IN effect_NN ,_, that_IN they_PRP have_VBP to_TO testify_VB as_IN fact_NN witnesses_NNS ,_, predicated_VBN upon_IN my_PRP$ interpretation_NN ,_, as_IN to_TO what_WP is_VBZ otherwise_RB unpublished_JJ material_NN so_IN that_RB ,_, for_IN example_NN --_: just_RB using_VBG this_DT for_IN example_NN ._. 
That_DT 's_VBZ not_RB my_PRP$ intention_NN ._. 
No_DT ,_, no_DT ,_, but_CC I_PRP --_: 
Well_RB ,_, that_DT 's_VBZ not_RB my_PRP$ intention_NN ._. 
And_CC I_PRP wanted_VBD to_TO let_VB you_PRP go_VB as_RB far_RB as_IN you_PRP could_MD ,_, and_CC I_PRP think_VBP I_PRP have_VBP to_TO interject_NN and_CC I_PRP want_VBP to_TO interject_NN and_CC I_PRP want_VBP to_TO be_VB clear_JJ ,_, because_IN I_PRP think_VBP it_PRP 's_VBZ important_JJ that_IN I_PRP do_VBP that_DT ._. 
Let_VB me_PRP address_VB a_DT couple_NN points_NNS that_IN you_PRP made_VBD ._. 
First_LS of_IN all_DT ,_, I_PRP understand_VBP and_CC deeply_RB respect_VB the_DT position_NN that_IN you_PRP 're_VBP in_IN in_IN this_DT case_NN ._. 
And_CC by_IN saying_VBG that_IN the_DT motion_NN was_VBD untimely_RB ,_, it_PRP was_VBD not_RB legally_RB untimely_RB ,_, it_PRP was_VBD untimely_RB in_IN my_PRP$ view_NN only_RB in_IN the_DT sense_NN that_IN it_PRP came_VBD ,_, as_IN I_PRP said_VBD ,_, on_IN the_DT eve_NN of_IN trial_NN ,_, when_WRB we_PRP knew_VBD that_IN there_EX was_VBD going_VBG to_TO be_VB an_DT issue_NN with_IN respect_NN to_TO their_PRP$ testimony_NN at_IN trial_NN ._. 
It_PRP was_VBD an_DT attempt_NN to_TO bring_VB this_DT to_TO a_DT head_NN ._. 
It_PRP was_VBD successful_JJ in_IN that_DT respect_NN ._. 
It_PRP was_VBD not_RB successful_JJ in_IN solving_VBG the_DT problem_NN ,_, but_CC it_PRP was_VBD successful_JJ to_TO bringing_VBG it_PRP to_TO a_DT head_NN ._. 
So_RB to_TO that_DT extent_NN ,_, I_PRP succeeded_VBD ,_, good_JJ ,_, bad_JJ ,_, or_CC indifferent_JJ ._. 
With_IN respect_NN to_TO the_DT point_NN that_IN you_PRP made_VBD as_IN it_PRP relates_VBZ to_TO their_PRP$ testimony_NN at_IN trial_NN ,_, that_WDT is_VBZ a_DT very_RB valid_JJ point_NN ._. 
However_RB ,_, I_PRP will_MD tell_VB you_PRP that_IN the_DT sense_NN of_IN my_PRP$ opinion_NN as_IN it_PRP related_VBD to_TO their_PRP$ deposition_NN testimony_NN and_CC as_IN reconsidered_VBN and_CC as_IN honed_VBN in_IN the_DT reconsideration_NN ,_, was_VBD that_IN it_PRP was_VBD meant_VBN to_TO apply_VB --_: the_DT general_JJ thrust_NN of_IN that_DT ,_, the_DT protections_NNS ,_, if_IN you_PRP will_MD ,_, in_IN that_DT opinion_NN were_VBD meant_VBN to_TO apply_VB in_IN the_DT same_JJ sense_NN to_TO their_PRP$ testimony_NN at_IN trial_NN ,_, if_IN they_PRP chose_VBD to_TO testify_VB ,_, and_CC they_PRP would_MD be_VB protected_VBN in_IN every_DT way_NN by_IN the_DT Court_NNP ,_, and_CC they_PRP would_MD not_RB be_VB questioned_VBN in_IN the_DT broader_JJR sense_NN ._. 
So_IN it_PRP would_MD not_RB revert_NN back_RB to_TO an_DT unprotected_JJ realm_NN ,_, if_IN you_PRP will_MD ,_, at_IN the_DT time_NN of_IN trial_NN ._. 
To_TO be_VB as_RB clear_JJ as_IN I_PRP can_MD be_VB ,_, at_IN issue_NN in_IN this_DT case_NN --_: and_CC I_PRP ca_MD n't_RB particularly_RB be_VB concerned_VBN about_IN precedential_NN value_NN ._. 
I_PRP understand_VBP your_PRP$ concern_NN in_IN that_DT regard_NN ._. 
I_PRP have_VBP to_TO try_VB this_DT case_NN the_DT best_JJS way_NN that_IN I_PRP know_VBP how_WRB ._. 
The_DT concern_NN in_IN this_DT case_NN ,_, and_CC it_PRP is_VBZ a_DT vital_JJ concern_NN by_IN all_DT parties_NNS ,_, is_VBZ that_IN we_PRP have_VBP ,_, as_IN you_PRP well_RB know_VBP ,_, to_TO restate_VB the_DT obvious_JJ ,_, we_PRP have_VBP newspaper_NN articles_NNS within_IN which_WDT there_EX are_VBP quotes_NNS from_IN individuals_NNS ._. 
Those_DT quotes_NNS go_VBP ,_, at_IN least_JJS in_IN one_CD sense_NN ,_, to_TO the_DT purpose_NN behind_IN the_DT policy_NN that_WDT was_VBD enacted_VBN by_IN the_DT Dover_NNP School_NNP Board_NNP ._. 
The_DT simple_JJ issue_NN here_RB ,_, because_IN it_PRP is_VBZ the_DT Court_NNP 's_POS understanding_NN that_IN these_DT individuals_NNS have_VBP denied_VBN that_IN they_PRP made_VBD these_DT remarks_NNS ,_, is_VBZ from_IN the_DT plaintiffs_NNS '_POS standpoint_NN how_WRB can_MD they_PRP get_VB something_NN that_WDT is_VBZ ,_, in_IN my_PRP$ view_NN ,_, on_IN the_DT purpose_NN test_NN ,_, which_WDT clearly_RB goes_VBZ to_TO the_DT truth_NN of_IN the_DT matter_NN asserted_VBD ,_, how_WRB do_VBP they_PRP get_VBP these_DT newspaper_NN articles_NNS into_IN evidence_NN ?_. 
Well_RB ,_, they_PRP ca_MD n't_RB ,_, in_IN my_PRP$ view_NN ,_, without_IN the_DT reporters_NNS testifying_VBG ._. 
The_DT defendants_NNS might_MD say_VB that_IN even_RB with_IN the_DT reporters_NNS testifying_VBG ,_, they_PRP ca_MD n't_RB get_VB them_PRP in_IN ._. 
I_PRP think_VBP that_DT 's_VBZ their_PRP$ argument_NN ._. 
But_CC at_IN the_DT very_RB least_JJS ,_, in_IN my_PRP$ view_NN ,_, and_CC I_PRP think_VBP the_DT plaintiffs_NNS might_MD agree_VB with_IN this_DT ,_, the_DT reporters_NNS would_MD have_VB to_TO testify_VB ._. 
I_PRP did_VBD n't_RB say_VB this_DT strictly_RB in_IN the_DT opinion_NN ,_, perhaps_RB ,_, but_CC my_PRP$ opinion_NN was_VBD not_RB meant_VBN to_TO allow_VB the_DT testimony_NN of_IN the_DT reporters_NNS to_TO go_VB in_IN any_DT way_NN ,_, in_IN particular_JJ ,_, outside_IN the_DT four_CD corners_NNS of_IN the_DT affidavits_NNS rendered_VBN by_IN the_DT reporters_NNS ._. 
I_PRP ca_MD n't_RB say_VB that_IN to_TO the_DT word_NN ,_, and_CC that_DT 's_VBZ why_WRB the_DT opinions_NNS were_VBD crafted_VBN the_DT way_NN that_IN they_PRP were_VBD ._. 
The_DT Court_NNP has_VBZ to_TO have_VB some_DT discretion_NN on_IN the_DT questioning_VBG ._. 
But_CC I_PRP was_VBD as_RB clear_JJ as_IN I_PRP could_MD possibly_RB be_VB that_IN what_WP is_VBZ at_IN issue_NN here_RB would_MD be_VB ,_, for_IN example_NN ,_, the_DT particular_JJ events_NNS that_IN the_DT reporters_NNS wrote_VBD about_IN and_CC questions_NNS such_JJ as_IN --_: simple_JJ questions_NNS ,_, did_VBD they_PRP attend_VBP the_DT meeting_NN ,_, did_VBD they_PRP hear_VBP them_PRP say_VBP the_DT comments_NNS ,_, did_VBD they_PRP write_VBP the_DT story_NN immediately_RB after_RB ,_, did_VBD they_PRP take_VBP notes_NNS at_IN the_DT time_NN of_IN the_DT meeting_NN ._. 
I_PRP thought_VBD my_PRP$ opinion_NN was_VBD clear_JJ in_IN that_DT regard_NN ,_, and_CC as_IN you_PRP appropriately_RB characterize_VBP ,_, no_DT questions_NNS as_IN to_TO bias_NN or_CC motivation_NN or_CC reasons_NNS to_TO misrepresent_VB quotes_NNS would_MD be_VB allowed_VBN in_IN ._. 
There_EX I_PRP believe_VBP we_PRP would_MD decidedly_RB fly_VB in_IN the_DT face_NN of_IN established_VBN case_NN law_NN ._. 
I_PRP did_VBD not_RB view_VB and_CC do_VBP not_RB view_VB the_DT law_NN as_IN providing_VBG that_IN there_EX is_VBZ some_DT exhaustion_NN requirement_NN ,_, although_IN I_PRP understand_VBP some_DT cases_NNS have_VBP said_VBN that_DT ._. 
In_IN this_DT particular_JJ fact_NN situation_NN --_: and_CC I_PRP do_VBP think_VBP ,_, I_PRP will_MD say_VB ,_, on_IN the_DT issue_NN of_IN precedent_NN ,_, you_PRP can_MD distinguish_VB cases_NNS of_IN --_: and_CC I_PRP 'm_VBP not_RB so_RB sure_JJ I_PRP would_MD be_VB as_RB fearful_JJ as_IN some_DT might_MD be_VB as_IN to_TO precedential_NN value_NN ._. 
I_PRP think_VBP this_DT case_NN is_VBZ somewhat_RB distinguishable_JJ ,_, and_CC I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB know_VB that_IN a_DT judge_NN in_IN another_DT situation_NN would_MD knee-jerk_JJ allow_VB this_DT type_NN of_IN testimony_NN ._. 
We_PRP are_VBP in_IN a_DT very_RB unique_JJ situation_NN here_RB ,_, and_CC that_DT 's_VBZ what_WP we_PRP have_VBP ._. 
Finally_RB ,_, the_DT last_JJ thing_NN that_IN I_PRP want_VBP to_TO do_VB -_: I_PRP 'm_VBP answering_VBG soliloquy_NN with_IN soliloquy_NN here_RB ._. 
I_PRP 'm_VBP not_RB sure_JJ if_IN this_DT is_VBZ a_DT dialogue_NN ._. 
Finally_RB ,_, I_PRP am_VBP acutely_RB cognizant_NN of_IN the_DT fact_NN that_IN this_DT trial_NN has_VBZ abundant_JJ media_NNS coverage_NN ,_, and_CC it_PRP is_VBZ surely_RB not_RB my_PRP$ intent_NN to_TO force_VB a_DT constitutional_JJ confrontation_NN with_IN two_CD reporters_NNS and_CC to_TO create_VB a_DT side_NN show_NN that_IN we_PRP do_VBP n't_RB need_VB to_TO ._. 
That_DT 's_VBZ why_WRB we_PRP 're_VBP meeting_NN in_IN chambers_NNS ._. 
But_CC I_PRP 'll_MD tell_VB you_PRP that_IN if_IN it_PRP 's_VBZ their_PRP$ persistent_JJ position_NN that_IN they_PRP do_VBP n't_RB want_VB to_TO testify_VB ,_, then_RB we_PRP 'll_MD go_VB on_IN the_DT record_NN --_: now_RB ,_, I_PRP 'm_VBP not_RB going_VBG to_TO put_VB them_PRP on_IN the_DT witness_NN stand_NN ._. 
I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB think_VB it_PRP 's_VBZ necessary_JJ to_TO do_VB that_DT ._. 
I_PRP would_MD bring_VB you_PRP and_CC the_DT reporters_NNS ,_, I_PRP will_MD tell_VB you_PRP ,_, to_TO the_DT bar_NN ._. 
I_PRP will_MD swear_VB them_PRP in_IN ,_, I_PRP will_MD have_VB them_PRP sworn_VBN in_IN ._. 
I_PRP will_MD ask_VB you_PRP the_DT question_NN whether_IN they_PRP 're_VBP going_VBG to_TO testify_VB ._. 
I_PRP will_MD allow_VB them_PRP to_TO speak_VB for_IN themselves_PRP on_IN that_DT point_NN ,_, and_CC then_RB we_PRP 'll_MD decide_VB what_WP we_PRP 're_VBP going_VBG to_TO do_VB at_IN that_DT point_NN ._. 
I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB know_VB what_WP else_RB to_TO do_VB ,_, but_CC I_PRP 'm_VBP not_RB going_VBG to_TO go_VB through_IN the_DT charade_NN of_IN having_VBG them_PRP take_VBP the_DT stand_NN and_CC assert_VB ,_, you_PRP know_VBP ,_, as_RB articulately_RB as_IN they_PRP can_MD the_DT privilege_NN that_IN they_PRP believe_VBP that_IN they_PRP can_MD avail_NN themselves_PRP of_IN ._. 
That_DT 's_VBZ fine_NN ._. 
I_PRP interrupted_VBN you_PRP ,_, but_CC I_PRP think_VBP it_PRP was_VBD necessary_JJ to_TO do_VB that_DT ._. 
Well_RB ,_, let_VB me_PRP share_VBP with_IN you_PRP why_WRB I_PRP have_VBP the_DT issue_NN that_IN I_PRP have_VBP ._. 
About_IN a_DT week_NN and_CC a_DT half_NN ago_RB I_PRP had_VBD a_DT telephone_NN dialogue_NN with_IN Eric_NNP because_IN I_PRP had_VBD proposed_VBN to_TO Eric_NNP the_DT possibility_NN that_IN in_IN light_NN of_IN your_PRP$ most_RBS current_JJ order_NN and_CC because_IN you_PRP took_VBD out_RP the_DT issues_NNS of_IN biases_NNS and_CC things_NNS of_IN that_DT nature_NN and_CC because_IN we_PRP 're_VBP going_VBG to_TO be_VB called_VBN to_TO trial_NN by_IN Eric_NNP ,_, that_IN maybe_RB he_PRP should_MD be_VB speaking_VBG to_TO Pat_NNP to_TO see_VB whether_IN they_PRP would_MD be_VB willing_JJ to_TO accept_VB the_DT affidavit_NN in_IN lieu_NN of_IN the_DT testimony_NN ._. 
I_PRP think_VBP we_PRP 're_VBP beyond_IN that_DT ._. 
Well_RB ,_, and_CC then_RB what_WP happened_VBD was_VBD ,_, we_PRP had_VBD a_DT conference_NN call_NN ,_, Eric_NNP ,_, Pat_NNP ,_, several_JJ others_NNS in_IN Pat_NNP 's_POS office_NN and_CC myself_PRP and_CC Terry_NNP ._. 
They_PRP indicated_VBD that_IN they_PRP would_MD not_RB ._. 
And_CC then_RB in_IN the_DT course_NN of_IN that_DT conversation_NN ,_, the_DT defendants_NNS counsel_NN had_VBD stated_VBN ,_, for_IN example_NN ,_, we_PRP would_MD like_VB the_DT opportunity_NN to_TO ask_VB if_IN they_PRP heard_VBD Mr._NN So_RB and_CC So_RB say_VBP something_NN ,_, why_WRB did_VBD n't_RB they_PRP write_VBP that_DT ._. 
That_DT 's_VBZ what_WP I_PRP 'm_VBP concerned_VBN about_IN with_IN respect_NN to_TO --_: 
I_PRP 'm_VBP not_RB going_VBG to_TO allow_VB that_DT question_NN ._. 
But_CC you_PRP were_VBD n't_RB at_IN the_DT deposition_NN ,_, meaning_VBG you_PRP do_VBP n't_RB know_VB that_IN that_DT question_NN would_MD n't_RB be_VB allowed_VBN and_CC quite_RB frankly_RB yesterday_NN you_PRP were_VBD in_IN trial_NN ._. 
I_PRP said_VBD ,_, though_RB ,_, very_RB clearly_RB in_IN the_DT last_JJ order_NN ,_, I_PRP thought_VBD ,_, in_IN the_DT September_NNP 12th_JJ order_NN ,_, that_IN I_PRP would_MD be_VB available_JJ ._. 
And_CC I_PRP thought_VBD ,_, when_WRB I_PRP heard_VBD that_IN the_DT reporters_NNS ,_, quite_RB frankly_RB ,_, appeared_VBD for_IN depositions_NNS ,_, that_IN when_WRB I_PRP was_VBD on_IN a_DT break_NN ,_, I_PRP was_VBD going_VBG to_TO hear_VB an_DT accumulated_JJ list_NN of_IN questions_NNS that_WDT were_VBD objected_VBN to_TO and_CC that_IN I_PRP would_MD have_VB to_TO rule_VB on_IN those_DT questions_NNS ._. 
Now_RB ,_, I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB have_VB time_NN to_TO preside_NN over_IN a_DT deposition_NN at_IN this_DT late_JJ date_NN ._. 
And_CC I_PRP know_VBP that_IN you_PRP respect_NN that_DT ._. 
You_PRP 're_VBP experienced_VBN counsel_NN and_CC you_PRP know_VBP that_DT ._. 
I_PRP do_VBP know_VB from_IN my_PRP$ private_JJ practice_NN experience_NN that_IN I_PRP was_VBD extremely_RB loathed_VBN to_TO get_VB a_DT judge_NN on_IN the_DT telephone_NN in_IN mid-deposition_JJ ._. 
That_DT could_MD be_VB one_CD of_IN the_DT most_RBS unhappy_JJ experiences_NNS that_IN a_DT lawyer_NN would_MD have_VB ._. 
You_PRP got_VBD it_PRP ._. 
Depending_VBG on_IN the_DT time_NN of_IN day_NN and_CC the_DT personality_NN of_IN the_DT judge_NN ._. 
Especially_RB after_IN your_PRP$ last_JJ opinion_NN on_IN my_PRP$ case_NN ,_, I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB want_VB to_TO call_VB you_PRP at_IN all_DT ._. 
As_IN you_PRP see_VBP ,_, I_PRP 'm_VBP far_RB more_RBR genial_JJ than_IN I_PRP express_VBP in_IN writing_VBG ._. 
What_WP I_PRP invited_VBN by_IN that_DT opinion_NN ,_, though_RB ,_, was_VBD that_IN I_PRP would_MD be_VB available_JJ --_: and_CC I_PRP believe_VBP in_IN an_DT issue_NN that_WDT is_VBZ as_IN important_JJ to_TO the_DT reporters_NNS and_CC to_TO you_PRP ,_, as_IN their_PRP$ counsel_NN ,_, as_IN this_DT ,_, it_PRP is_VBZ appropriate_JJ for_IN you_PRP to_TO stop_VB a_DT deposition_NN on_IN a_DT question_NN like_IN that_DT ,_, instruct_VB your_PRP$ witness_NN not_RB to_TO answer_VB ,_, and_CC allow_VB the_DT Court_NNP to_TO rule_VB on_IN it_PRP ._. 
I_PRP was_VBD inviting_VBG you_PRP to_TO do_VB that_DT ._. 
Now_RB ,_, I_PRP understand_VBP what_WP your_PRP$ reasons_NNS are_VBP for_IN not_RB doing_VBG that_IN ,_, and_CC I_PRP think_VBP you_PRP can_MD do_VB that_DT ._. 
Now_RB ,_, if_IN you_PRP 're_VBP telling_VBG me_PRP that_IN you_PRP have_VBP problems_NNS with_IN certain_JJ anticipated_JJ questions_NNS but_CC not_RB others_NNS and_CC if_IN you_PRP 're_VBP telling_VBG me_PRP that_IN the_DT reporters_NNS would_MD not_RB exercise_VB the_DT privilege_NN if_IN they_PRP were_VBD kept_VBN roughly_RB within_IN the_DT confines_NNS of_IN their_PRP$ affidavits_NNS --_: 
I_PRP go_VBP beyond_IN that_DT ._. 
I_PRP 'm_VBP willing_JJ to_TO have_VB them_PRP testify_VBP as_IN to_TO what_WP they_PRP wrote_VBD in_IN the_DT article_NN and_CC basically_RB forget_VB the_DT affidavit_NN ._. 
That_DT 's_VBZ fine_NN ._. 
That_DT means_VBZ everything_NN that_WDT 's_VBZ set_VBN forth_RB in_IN that_DT article_NN ._. 
Well_RB ,_, then_RB I_PRP think_VBP we_PRP 've_VBP clarified_VBN that_DT point_NN ._. 
Then_RB I_PRP think_VBP you_PRP should_MD reschedule_VB the_DT depositions_NNS and_CC try_VB to_TO do_VB that_DT ._. 
Well_RB ,_, if_IN I_PRP can_MD interject_NN --_: I_PRP mean_VBP ,_, this_DT is_VBZ kind_NN of_IN like_IN my_PRP$ last_JJ hurrah_NN ._. 
We_PRP could_MD only_RB hope_VB not_RB ._. 
It_PRP depends_VBZ what_WP happens_VBZ next_JJ week_NN ._. 
Because_IN we_PRP do_VBP n't_RB have_VB an_DT order_NN with_IN respect_NN to_TO trial_NN testimony_NN --_: and_CC we_PRP do_VBP n't_RB ,_, except_IN for_IN the_DT fact_NN that_IN ,_, again_RB ,_, they_PRP 're_VBP naked_JJ ._. 
I_PRP 'll_MD produce_VB that_DT order_NN ,_, if_IN necessary_JJ ._. 
Well_RB ,_, let_VB me_PRP share_VBP with_IN you_PRP where_WRB I_PRP 'm_VBP coming_VBG from_IN ,_, because_IN I_PRP think_VBP what_WP I_PRP 've_VBP done_VBN here_RB --_: and_CC obviously_RB I_PRP ca_MD n't_RB do_VB your_PRP$ job_NN ._. 
But_CC what_WP I_PRP 'm_VBP proposing_VBG here_RB ,_, if_IN you_PRP could_MD just_RB evaluate_VB it_PRP ._. 
Depending_VBG how_WRB long_JJ this_DT trial_NN goes_VBZ ,_, you_PRP might_MD be_VB my_PRP$ guest_NN in_IN terms_NNS of_IN doing_VBG my_PRP$ job_NN ._. 
All_DT I_PRP 'm_VBP doing_VBG is_VBZ adding_VBG something_NN to_TO what_WP it_PRP is_VBZ that_IN you_PRP basically_RB have_VBP already_RB written_VBN ._. 
And_CC if_IN I_PRP could_MD just_RB read_VB this_DT ._. 
You_PRP have_VBP no_DT idea_NN how_WRB long_JJ it_PRP took_VBD us_PRP to_TO write_VB this_DT ._. 
Because_IN I_PRP think_VBP it_PRP does_VBZ exactly_RB what_WP you_PRP just_RB said_VBD ._. 
It_PRP says_VBZ ,_, Wherein_NNP an_DT affidavit_NN is_VBZ provided_VBN in_IN lieu_NN of_IN testimony_NN to_TO support_VB a_DT newspaper_NN article_NN or_CC newspaper_NN articles_NNS ,_, the_DT reporter_NN shall_MD be_VB obligated_VBN to_TO testify_VB as_IN to_TO the_DT facts_NNS set_VBN forth_RB in_IN the_DT articles_NNS ,_, i.e._NN ,_, what_WP was_VBD seen_VBN and_CC heard_VBN as_IN related_VBN in_IN the_DT newspaper_NN articles_NNS ._. 
By_IN doing_VBG so_RB ,_, the_DT reporters_NNS would_MD be_VB verbalizing_VBG the_DT contents_NNS of_IN said_VBD affidavit_NN --_: I_PRP think_VBP ,_, actually_RB ,_, they_PRP were_VBD your_PRP$ words_NNS when_WRB we_PRP had_VBD the_DT telephone_NN conference_NN --_: by_IN testifying_VBG as_IN to_TO what_WP appears_VBZ in_IN the_DT newspaper_NN article_NN or_CC articles_NNS ,_, unless_IN such_JJ affidavit_NN is_VBZ otherwise_RB accepted_VBN by_IN all_DT parties_NNS as_IN validating_VBG and_CC authenticating_VBG the_DT contents_NNS of_IN the_DT newspaper_NN article_NN or_CC articles_NNS in_IN issue_NN ._. 
Meaning_NNP if_IN they_PRP accept_VBP it_PRP ,_, it_PRP becomes_VBZ moot_JJ ._. 
However_RB ,_, no_DT testimony_NN shall_MD relate_VB to_TO unpublished_JJ material_NN or_CC information_NN or_CC to_TO the_DT reporters_NNS '_POS motivations_NNS ,_, bias_NN ,_, mental_JJ impressions_NNS ,_, or_CC other_JJ information_NN extrinsic_JJ to_TO what_WP the_DT reporter_NN saw_VBD and_CC heard_VBN ,_, and_CC the_DT reporter_NN shall_MD not_RB be_VB obligated_VBN to_TO reveal_VB any_DT confidential_JJ sources_NNS ._. 
What_WP I_PRP 've_VBP tried_VBN to_TO do_VB here_RB is_VBZ to_TO say_VB ,_, they_PRP 'll_MD testify_VB as_IN to_TO everything_NN that_WDT appeared_VBD in_IN those_DT articles_NNS ._. 
And_CC how_WRB I_PRP then_RB distinguish_VB this_DT case_NN from_IN maybe_RB my_PRP$ next_JJ case_NN is_VBZ ,_, where_WRB an_DT affidavit_NN is_VBZ provided_VBN and_CC the_DT Court_NNP or_CC the_DT parties_NNS do_VBP n't_RB accept_VB the_DT affidavit_NN ._. 
What_WP I_PRP 've_VBP done_VBN is_VBZ ,_, it_PRP says_VBZ that_IN there_EX 's_VBZ no_DT extraneous_JJ unpublished_JJ material_NN questioning_VBG ._. 
That_DT 's_VBZ the_DT clarity_NN that_IN I_PRP need_VBP ._. 
And_CC then_RB ,_, quite_RB frankly_RB ,_, my_PRP$ mindset_NN is_VBZ ,_, if_IN the_DT issue_NN of_IN the_DT defendants_NNS is_VBZ that_IN we_PRP were_VBD biased_VBN in_IN our_PRP$ reporting_VBG because_IN we_PRP either_DT misquoted_JJ somebody_NN or_CC whatever_WDT ,_, well_RB ,_, this_DT is_VBZ n't_RB a_DT jury_NN trial_NN ._. 
You_PRP 're_VBP trying_VBG this_DT case_NN ._. 
You_PRP 're_VBP either_CC going_VBG to_TO believe_VB the_DT reporters_NNS or_CC you_PRP 're_VBP going_VBG to_TO believe_VB Mr._NN Buckingham_NNP or_CC Mr._NN Bonsell_NNP or_CC whomever_NN when_WRB they_PRP say_VBP ,_, I_PRP did_VBD n't_RB say_VB that_DT ._. 
But_CC my_PRP$ concern_NN is_VBZ that_IN I_PRP have_VBP to_TO have_VB some_DT degree_NN of_IN certainty_NN by_IN your_PRP$ order_NN that_IN they_PRP ca_MD n't_RB ask_VB any_DT questions_NNS as_IN to_TO unpublished_JJ materials_NNS ._. 
Are_VBP you_PRP suggesting_VBG that_IN this_DT language_NN should_MD apply_VB to_TO both_DT the_DT depositions_NNS and_CC the_DT trial_NN testimony_NN ?_. 
Meaning_NNP if_IN you_PRP could_MD adapt_VB language_NN similar_JJ to_TO this_DT for_IN the_DT trial_NN testimony_NN and_CC I_PRP agree_VBP ,_, I_PRP have_VBP no_DT problem_NN in_IN them_PRP being_VBG at_IN a_DT deposition_NN prior_RB to_TO trial_NN with_IN the_DT same_JJ kind_NN of_IN language_NN relative_JJ to_TO that_DT ._. 
I_PRP will_MD appear_VB at_IN a_DT deposition_NN prior_RB to_TO trial_NN ._. 
I_PRP would_MD like_VB to_TO do_VB that_DT ,_, because_IN of_IN my_PRP$ own_JJ health_NN conditions_NNS ,_, maybe_RB on_IN Friday_NNP in_IN terms_NNS as_IN to_TO a_DT deposition_NN ,_, if_IN that_DT works_VBZ within_IN anybody_NN 's_POS schedule_NN ,_, and_CC then_RB maybe_RB the_DT latter_JJ part_NN of_IN next_JJ week_NN ._. 
Because_IN what_WP I_PRP did_VBD was_VBD ,_, I_PRP put_VBP my_PRP$ surgery_NN off_RP until_IN next_JJ Friday_NNP to_TO get_VB this_DT done_VBN ._. 
Well_RB ,_, the_DT problem_NN Friday_NNP ,_, I_PRP assume_VBP you_PRP fellows_NNS are_VBP getting_VBG out_IN of_IN here_RB on_IN Friday_NNP ,_, but_CC I_PRP 'm_VBP not_RB sure_JJ of_IN that_DT ._. 
Or_CC we_PRP could_MD do_VB it_PRP Monday_NNP ._. 
I_PRP mean_VBP ,_, whatever_WDT works_NNS ._. 
Well_RB ,_, we_PRP do_VBP have_VBP Friday_NNP morning_NN off_RP ._. 
Right_RB ._. 
Although_IN you_PRP may_MD have_VB something_NN scheduled_VBN in_IN terms_NNS of_IN pretrial_JJ planning_NN ._. 
I_PRP 'm_VBP not_RB sure_JJ ._. 
Do_VBP you_PRP know_VBP ?_. 
I_PRP have_VBP a_DT plane_NN flight_NN ._. 
I_PRP was_VBD not_RB going_VBG to_TO be_VB here_RB ._. 
Do_VBP we_PRP need_VB the_DT whole_JJ team_NN ?_. 
I_PRP was_VBD the_DT one_CD going_VBG to_TO take_VB the_DT deposition_NN ._. 
Yeah_UH ,_, Ed_NNP was_VBD there_RB yesterday_NN ._. 
Alternatively_RB ?_. 
Well_RB ,_, we_PRP 'll_MD do_VB what_WP we_PRP have_VBP to_TO do_VB ._. 
Scheduling_NNP usually_RB is_VBZ n't_RB my_PRP$ pay_NN grade_NN ,_, but_CC ,_, you_PRP know_VBP ,_, you_PRP can_MD figure_VB that_IN out_RP ._. 
Go_VB ahead_RB ._. 
Judge_NNP ,_, if_IN I_PRP may_MD ,_, there_EX are_VBP some_DT things_NNS here_RB that_IN we_PRP can_MD agree_VB with_IN ,_, but_CC there_EX are_VBP others_NNS that_IN we_PRP ca_MD n't_RB ._. 
And_CC this_DT is_VBZ why_WRB ,_, in_IN our_PRP$ opinion_NN ,_, Judge_NNP ._. 
You_PRP know_VBP ,_, if_IN our_PRP$ clients_NNS are_VBP believed_VBN ,_, the_DT reporters_NNS did_VBD talk_NN to_TO them_PRP but_CC took_VBD misrepresentative_JJ statements_NNS so_IN that_IN they_PRP left_VBD things_NNS out_IN to_TO put_VB them_PRP in_IN a_DT false_JJ light_JJ and_CC in_IN so_RB doing_VBG have_VBP created_VBN articles_NNS that_IN ,_, if_IN they_PRP were_VBD admitted_VBN for_IN the_DT truth_NN of_IN the_DT matter_NN asserted_VBD ,_, would_MD be_VB misrepresentative_JJ ._. 
Well_RB ,_, that_DT 's_VBZ what_WP I_PRP 'm_VBP not_RB going_VBG to_TO get_VB into_IN ._. 
And_CC I_PRP understand_VBP and_CC I_PRP respect_NN that_DT argument_NN ._. 
But_CC I_PRP think_VBP I_PRP 've_VBP got_VBN to_TO line-draw_JJ here_RB someplace_NN ._. 
And_CC I_PRP understood_VBD that_DT argument_NN before_RB ._. 
And_CC what_WP I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB want_VB to_TO do_VB here_RB is_VBZ turn_VB this_DT into_IN an_DT oral_JJ argument_NN on_IN things_NNS that_IN I_PRP 've_VBP already_RB decided_VBN ._. 
And_CC I_PRP know_VBP you_PRP respect_NN that_DT ._. 
I_PRP think_VBP there_EX is_VBZ a_DT privilege_NN here_RB ,_, and_CC I_PRP think_VBP the_DT privilege_NN sometimes_RB gets_VBZ drawn_VBN in_IN what_WP appears_VBZ to_TO be_VB an_DT ad_NN hoc_FW manner_NN ._. 
But_CC my_PRP$ job_NN is_VBZ to_TO find_VB where_WRB to_TO put_VB the_DT line_NN down_RB in_IN this_DT case_NN ._. 
To_TO traipse_VB into_IN the_DT area_NN of_IN why_WRB they_PRP selectively_RB used_VBD a_DT quote_NN as_IN opposed_VBN to_TO not_RB using_VBG other_JJ things_NNS that_WDT were_VBD said_VBN I_PRP think_VBP is_VBZ to_TO get_VB on_IN a_DT very_RB slippery_JJ slope_NN ._. 
It_PRP really_RB almost_RB precipitates_NNS a_DT bias_NN line_NN of_IN questioning_VBG ,_, and_CC I_PRP 'm_VBP not_RB going_VBG to_TO allow_VB it_PRP ._. 
I_PRP am_VBP trying_VBG to_TO narrowly_RB draw_VB this_DT ._. 
I_PRP understand_VBP that_IN that_DT 's_VBZ not_RB what_WP the_DT defendants_NNS want_VBP in_IN this_DT case_NN ,_, but_CC I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB think_VB it_PRP 's_VBZ called_VBN for_IN ._. 
And_CC ,_, as_IN a_DT matter_NN of_IN fact_NN ,_, I_PRP think_VBP if_IN I_PRP did_VBD that_IN and_CC I_PRP ordered_VBD that_IN and_CC if_IN --_: I_PRP assume_VBP that_IN the_DT reporters_NNS would_MD not_RB testify_VB and_CC I_PRP would_MD predict_VB ,_, if_IN it_PRP went_VBD to_TO the_DT Third_NNP Circuit_NNP on_IN that_DT basis_NN ,_, I_PRP would_MD be_VB reversed_VBN ._. 
I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB think_VB that_IN that_DT 's_VBZ a_DT fair_JJ area_NN of_IN inquiry_NN to_TO get_VB into_IN ._. 
This_DT looks_VBZ artificial_JJ when_WRB you_PRP 're_VBP dealing_VBG with_IN a_DT fact_NN witness_NN ,_, but_CC these_DT are_VBP fact_NN witnesses_NNS who_WP are_VBP also_RB reporters_NNS ,_, and_CC I_PRP am_VBP straining_VBG to_TO try_VB to_TO find_VB a_DT fair_JJ way_NN to_TO do_VB this_DT ._. 
I_PRP believe_VBP that_IN to_TO the_DT extent_NN --_: and_CC I_PRP 've_VBP said_VBN this_DT now_RB several_JJ times_NNS --_: that_IN the_DT reporters_NNS '_POS testimony_NN is_VBZ necessary_JJ in_IN order_NN to_TO invoke_VB the_DT residual_JJ hearsay_NN exception_NN under_IN Rule_NN 807_CD ,_, that_IN the_DT defendants_NNS have_VBP to_TO have_VB an_DT opportunity_NN to_TO examine_VB the_DT reporters_NNS on_IN the_DT same_JJ topics_NNS and_CC subjects_NNS that_IN I_PRP would_MD allow_VB the_DT plaintiffs_NNS to_TO question_VB them_PRP on_IN during_IN their_PRP$ case-in-chief_JJ ,_, nothing_NN more_JJR and_CC nothing_NN less_RBR ._. 
So_IN I_PRP 'm_VBP inclined_VBN to_TO accept_VB this_DT language_NN ,_, you_PRP know_VBP ,_, not_RB word_NN for_IN word_NN ,_, only_RB to_TO the_DT extent_NN where_WRB it_PRP states_VBZ ,_, rather_RB generically_RB ,_, "_'' wherein_WRB an_DT affidavit_NN is_VBZ provided_VBN ,_, "_'' I_PRP would_MD take_VB that_DT sentence_NN and_CC simply_RB say_VBP that_IN affidavits_NNS have_VBP been_VBN provided_VBN ,_, rather_RB than_IN "_'' wherein_WRB ._. "_'' 
It_PRP 's_VBZ somewhat_RB artificial_JJ or_CC a_DT little_RB strained_VBN as_IN it_PRP relates_VBZ to_TO this_DT case_NN ._. 
The_DT rest_NN of_IN it_PRP I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB have_VB any_DT problem_NN because_IN I_PRP think_VBP it_PRP does_VBZ not_RB do_VB violence_NN to_TO my_PRP$ opinions_NNS ._. 
And_CC this_DT gets_VBZ into_IN a_DT semantical_JJ exercise_NN to_TO some_DT degree_NN but_CC one_CD that_WDT is_VBZ important_JJ ,_, I_PRP understand_VBP ,_, to_TO the_DT reporters_NNS ._. 
We_PRP have_VBP got_VBN to_TO cut_VB the_DT Gordian_NNP knot_NN here_RB ._. 
Either_CC --_: 
We_PRP can_MD live_VB with_IN this_DT ,_, and_CC they_PRP would_MD testify_VB if_IN we_PRP had_VBD language_NN similar_JJ to_TO this_DT ._. 
Well_RB ,_, my_PRP$ intention_NN would_MD be_VB to_TO enter_VB an_DT order_NN that_WDT is_VBZ a_DT wrap-around_JJ order_NN ,_, if_IN you_PRP will_MD ,_, that_WDT is_VBZ ,_, in_IN effect_NN ,_, a_DT re-reconsideration_JJ of_IN the_DT order_NN on_IN the_DT depositions_NNS but_CC also_RB speaks_VBZ to_TO the_DT trial_NN testimony_NN in_IN chief_NN ._. 
And_CC it_PRP will_MD be_VB abbreviated_JJ because_IN of_IN the_DT time_NN constraints_NNS on_IN me_PRP ,_, but_CC we_PRP 'll_MD issue_VB it_PRP forthwith_NN ,_, and_CC it_PRP will_MD indicate_VB that_IN you_PRP 're_VBP going_VBG to_TO --_: they_PRP 're_VBP going_VBG to_TO sit_VB for_IN depositions_NNS under_IN those_DT circumstances_NNS ._. 
Can_MD I_PRP ask_VB whether_IN that_DT would_MD be_VB reported_VBN ?_. 
In_IN what_WP sense_NN ?_. 
When_WRB you_PRP say_VBP "_'' reported_VBN ,_, "_'' what_WP do_VBP you_PRP mean_VBP by_IN that_DT ?_. 
"_'' Reported_NNP "_'' meaning_VBG in_IN the_DT books_NNS ._. 
Oh_UH ,_, published_VBN ._. 
When_WRB you_PRP say_VBP "_'' reported_VBN "_'' and_CC you_PRP 're_VBP talking_VBG about_IN reporters_NNS ,_, then_RB I_PRP 'm_VBP thinking_VBG ,_, I_PRP have_VBP enough_JJ work_NN in_IN this_DT case_NN ._. 
No_DT ,_, we_PRP would_MD n't_RB publish_VB it_PRP ,_, but_CC there_EX are_VBP reporters_NNS who_WP can_MD access_VB the_DT CM_NNP /_NN ECF_NNP system_NN ._. 
No_DT ,_, the_DT reason_NN why_WRB I_PRP 'm_VBP asking_VBG whether_IN it_PRP would_MD be_VB published_VBN ,_, I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB know_VB whether_IN your_PRP$ original_JJ opinion_NN --_: 
You_PRP 're_VBP worried_VBN about_IN the_DT precedential_NN value_NN ._. 
No_DT ,_, it_PRP 's_VBZ not_RB my_PRP$ intention_NN to_TO publish_VB it_PRP ._. 
I_PRP have_VBP no_DT need_VBP ._. 
However_RB ,_, good_JJ or_CC bad_JJ news_NN travels_VBZ fast_RB ,_, and_CC in_IN the_DT legal_JJ realm_NN it_PRP will_MD be_VB cited_VBN by_IN somebody_NN someplace_NN ._. 
You_PRP have_VBP no_DT idea_NN ._. 
Oh_UH ,_, you_PRP 'd_MD be_VB surprised_VBN ._. 
Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ,_, just_RB in_IN an_DT effort_NN to_TO avoid_VB needless_JJ procedure_NN or_CC inquiry_NN ,_, if_IN I_PRP could_MD just_RB get_VB a_DT sense_NN for_IN what_WP you_PRP have_VBP in_IN mind_NN and_CC intend_VB by_IN the_DT order_NN ._. 
If_IN they_PRP show_VBP up_RP for_IN deposition_NN and_CC begin_VB to_TO testify_VB about_IN an_DT article_NN about_IN June_NNP 14th_JJ ,_, --_: 
Hypothetically_NNP ?_. 
Hypothetically_NNP ._. 
Would_MD we_PRP be_VB at_IN liberty_NN to_TO say_VB ,_, did_VBD you_PRP hear_VBP anything_NN else_RB ,_, did_VBD you_PRP see_VBP anything_NN else_RB ?_. 
No_DT ,_, because_IN --_: and_CC I_PRP know_VBP this_DT is_VBZ difficult_JJ ,_, but_CC it_PRP goes_VBZ like_IN this_DT ._. 
And_CC this_DT is_VBZ the_DT best_JJS I_PRP can_MD put_VB it_PRP ,_, other_JJ than_IN what_WP I_PRP tried_VBD to_TO do_VB in_IN my_PRP$ opinion_NN ._. 
We_PRP have_VBP articles_NNS ._. 
We_PRP have_VBP a_DT situation_NN where_WRB the_DT declarants_NNS ,_, the_DT quoted_JJ individuals_NNS ,_, have_VBP apparently_RB denied_VBN --_: either_CC denied_VBD ,_, I_PRP guess_VBP --_: I_PRP 'm_VBP not_RB sure_JJ about_IN this_DT ._. 
This_DT is_VBZ my_PRP$ understanding_VBG ,_, either_CC denied_VBD that_IN they_PRP said_VBD what_WP was_VBD reported_VBN in_IN the_DT articles_NNS or_CC said_VBD that_IN they_PRP were_VBD statements_NNS taken_VBN out_IN of_IN context_NN ._. 
And_CC they_PRP can_MD speak_VB for_IN themselves_PRP ._. 
And_CC that_DT 's_VBZ one_CD of_IN the_DT reasons_NNS that_IN I_PRP 'm_VBP line-drawing_JJ here_RB ._. 
They_PRP can_MD say_VB that_IN ,_, and_CC I_PRP 'll_MD take_VB that_IN under_IN consideration_NN ._. 
But_CC from_IN the_DT reporters_NNS '_POS perspective_NN ,_, were_VBD they_PRP at_IN the_DT meeting_NN ._. 
The_DT obvious_JJ answer_NN is_VBZ yes_UH ,_, but_CC they_PRP have_VBP n't_RB answered_VBN that_IN under_IN oath_NN ._. 
Did_VBD they_PRP hear_VBP the_DT statement_NN that_WDT is_VBZ included_VBN in_IN the_DT article_NN ?_. 
Perhaps_RB where_WRB were_VBD they_PRP standing_NN in_IN the_DT room_NN ,_, did_VBD they_PRP utilize_VB a_DT tape_NN recorder_NN for_IN the_DT purpose_NN of_IN taking_VBG down_RP the_DT statement_NN or_CC did_VBD they_PRP use_VBP a_DT tape_NN recorder_NN and_CC did_VBD they_PRP take_VBP notes_NNS contemporaneously_RB with_IN the_DT statement_NN ._. 
How_WRB long_RB after_IN the_DT meeting_NN did_VBD they_PRP write_VBP their_PRP$ article_NN ,_, did_VBD they_PRP use_VBP the_DT tape_NN recorder_NN ,_, did_VBD they_PRP use_VBP notes_NNS as_IN it_PRP related_VBD to_TO that_DT statement_NN ._. 
Those_DT are_VBP the_DT types_NNS of_IN inquiries_NNS that_WDT relate_VBP specifically_RB to_TO the_DT contents_NNS of_IN the_DT article_NN ._. 
To_TO allay_VB Mr._NN Benn_NNP 's_POS concerns_NNS ,_, I_PRP think_VBP it_PRP is_VBZ not_RB fair_JJ game_NN to_TO talk_VB about_IN all_DT the_DT other_JJ things_NNS that_IN they_PRP heard_VBD and_CC why_WRB they_PRP wrote_VBD the_DT article_NN the_DT way_NN they_PRP did_VBD and_CC why_WRB they_PRP excluded_VBD quotes_NNS ._. 
I_PRP sincerely_RB believe_VBP that_IN that_DT gets_VBZ into_IN journalistic_JJ integrity_NN ,_, and_CC that_DT 's_VBZ problematic_JJ ,_, and_CC it_PRP 's_VBZ not_RB my_PRP$ intent_NN to_TO allow_VB that_RB ,_, nor_CC would_MD I_PRP allow_VB any_DT questioning_VBG on_IN anything_NN personal_JJ to_TO the_DT reporters_NNS ._. 
I_PRP think_VBP I_PRP spelled_VBN that_IN out_IN in_IN detail_NN in_IN the_DT prior_JJ orders_VBZ ._. 
We_PRP are_VBP going_VBG to_TO simply_RB have_VBP them_PRP testify_VBP for_IN the_DT purpose_NN of_IN authenticating_VBG the_DT contents_NNS of_IN that_DT article_NN ,_, nothing_NN more_JJR ,_, nothing_NN less_JJR ,_, because_IN I_PRP really_RB believe_VBP that_IN to_TO do_VB more_JJR than_IN that_DT is_VBZ to_TO create_VB ,_, I_PRP think_VBP ,_, a_DT precedent_NN which_WDT would_MD have_VB reporters_NNS called_VBN --_: Mr._NN Benn_NNP ,_, I_PRP think_VBP ,_, fears_NNS that_IN even_RB this_DT would_MD do_VB that_DT ._. 
I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB share_VB that_DT fear_NN ._. 
But_CC to_TO go_VB any_DT further_RB than_IN that_DT would_MD mean_VB that_IN a_DT reporter_NN 's_POS veracity_NN could_MD be_VB questioned_VBN each_DT and_CC every_DT time_NN something_NN like_IN this_DT comes_VBZ up_RB ._. 
I_PRP strain_VBP mightily_RB not_RB to_TO have_VB to_TO do_VB that_DT ._. 
That_DT 's_VBZ what_WP I_PRP 'm_VBP talking_VBG about_IN ._. 
Now_RB ,_, I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB know_VB if_IN that_DT clarifies_VBZ it_PRP ._. 
It_PRP does_VBZ ,_, Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ,_, I_PRP think_VBP in_IN large_JJ measure_NN ._. 
And_CC I_PRP would_MD ask_VB this_DT ,_, with_IN your_PRP$ leave_NN ,_, would_MD it_PRP suffice_VB to_TO preserve_VB my_PRP$ objection_NN that_IN I_PRP object_VBP here_RB in_IN chambers_NNS on_IN the_DT record_NN ?_. 
That_DT 's_VBZ fine_NN ._. 
And_CC I_PRP note_VBP that_IN ,_, and_CC that_DT 's_VBZ why_WRB I_PRP wanted_VBD to_TO do_VB this_DT on_IN the_DT record_NN ._. 
And_CC I_PRP understand_VBP that_IN you_PRP object_VBP to_TO that_DT ,_, and_CC I_PRP understand_VBP the_DT defendants_NNS have_VBP interposed_JJ not_RB only_RB this_DT objection_NN but_CC they_PRP have_VBP also_RB argued_VBN against_IN that_DT ._. 
And_CC to_TO the_DT extent_NN that_IN this_DT really_RB clarifies_VBZ and_CC reasserts_VBZ what_WP I_PRP have_VBP in_IN my_PRP$ prior_RB orders_VBZ ,_, I_PRP think_VBP you_PRP 've_VBP preserved_VBN your_PRP$ position_NN as_IN it_PRP relates_VBZ to_TO that_DT ,_, and_CC I_PRP understand_VBP that_DT position_NN ._. 
Thank_VB you_PRP ._. 
Anything_NN from_IN the_DT plaintiffs_NNS ?_. 
We_PRP have_VBP no_DT objection_NN to_TO the_DT proposed_JJ modification_NN ,_, Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ._. 
All_DT right_JJ ._. 
So_RB with_IN that_DT brief_JJ change_NN to_TO what_WP is_VBZ a_DT little_JJ bit_NN awkward_JJ in_IN the_DT first_JJ sentence_NN ,_, the_DT "_'' wherein_WRB "_'' --_: and_CC I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB mean_VB that_IN facetiously_RB ,_, but_CC just_RB as_IN it_PRP relates_VBZ to_TO this_DT case_NN ,_, because_IN this_DT almost_RB looks_VBZ like_IN it_PRP 's_VBZ a_DT contracted_VBD or_CC --_: 
I_PRP understand_VBP ._. 
I_PRP just_RB wanted_VBD to_TO make_VB sure_JJ the_DT word_NN "_'' affidavit_NN "_'' was_VBD in_IN there_RB ._. 
We_PRP will_MD recite_NN that_DT ._. 
We_PRP will_MD get_VB a_DT clarifying_VBG order_NN out_RP ._. 
Now_RB ,_, for_IN the_DT purpose_NN of_IN --_: because_IN this_DT is_VBZ a_DT very_RB public_JJ trial_NN ._. 
What_WP 's_VBZ your_PRP$ intention_NN ,_, what_WP are_VBP your_PRP$ thoughts_NNS regarding_VBG how_WRB we_PRP should_MD address_VB this_DT ?_. 
Because_IN it_PRP 's_VBZ known_VBN that_IN this_DT is_VBZ a_DT festering_VBG controversy_NN ._. 
That_DT 's_VBZ an_DT interesting_JJ question_NN ._. 
I_PRP mean_VBP ,_, if_IN we_PRP 're_VBP not_RB called_VBN today_NN ,_, which_WDT we_PRP 're_VBP not_RB going_VBG to_TO be_VB ,_, I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB know_VB that_IN it_PRP really_RB is_VBZ an_DT issue_NN ._. 
We_PRP just_RB had_VBD dialogue_NN in_IN chambers_NNS ,_, the_DT judge_NN is_VBZ going_VBG to_TO be_VB entering_VBG an_DT order_NN ,_, and_CC after_IN we_PRP receive_VBP the_DT order_NN ,_, we_PRP 'll_MD be_VB able_JJ to_TO make_VB a_DT decision_NN in_IN terms_NNS of_IN where_WRB we_PRP proceed_VBP ._. 
Well_RB ,_, I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB know_VB about_IN that_DT ._. 
I_PRP think_VBP you_PRP can_MD assume_VB ,_, unless_IN you_PRP doubt_VBP my_PRP$ word_NN ,_, I_PRP 'm_VBP going_VBG to_TO issue_VB an_DT order_NN --_: and_CC I_PRP 'm_VBP very_RB serious_JJ --_: I_PRP 'm_VBP going_VBG to_TO issue_VB an_DT order_NN and_CC that_DT order_NN will_MD be_VB forthwith_NN ._. 
I_PRP would_MD prefer_VB that_DT --_: 
We_PRP can_MD say_VB that_IN we_PRP 've_VBP restricted_VBN the_DT order_NN in_IN such_JJ a_DT fashion_NN that_IN we_PRP believe_VBP the_DT reporters_NNS will_MD testify_VB ._. 
If_IN I_PRP might_MD be_VB so_RB bold_JJ ,_, that_IN we_PRP are_VBP satisfied_VBN with_IN the_DT resolution_NN ._. 
Thank_VB you_PRP ._. 
We_PRP expect_VBP an_DT order_NN that_WDT is_VBZ consistent_JJ with_IN our_PRP$ understanding_NN of_IN an_DT agreement_NN that_IN we_PRP reached_VBD --_: I_PRP will_MD let_VB it_PRP to_TO you_PRP to_TO address_VB that_DT ._. 
And_CC my_PRP$ intention_NN would_MD not_RB be_VB to_TO address_VB this_DT again_RB in_IN open_JJ court_NN this_DT afternoon_NN ._. 
We_PRP would_MD just_RB move_VB on_IN ._. 
You_PRP have_VBP other_JJ witnesses_NNS ,_, I_PRP assume_VBP ,_, to_TO present_VB ,_, and_CC we_PRP can_MD move_VB through_IN this_DT ._. 
I_PRP 'm_VBP simply_RB saying_VBG I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB want_VB wiggle_NN room_NN that_IN we_PRP 're_VBP waiting_VBG to_TO see_VB ,_, because_IN I_PRP 've_VBP had_VBN that_DT experience_NN now_RB before_RB ._. 
If_IN you_PRP indicate_VBP to_TO me_PRP as_IN you_PRP have_VBP ,_, that_IN this_DT is_VBZ satisfactory_JJ to_TO you_PRP ,_, I_PRP will_MD indicate_VB that_IN we_PRP are_VBP satisfied_VBN with_IN the_DT prospective_JJ order_NN that_IN we_PRP understand_VBP the_DT Court_NNP is_VBZ going_VBG to_TO enter_VB and_CC that_IN our_PRP$ clients_NNS will_MD be_VB testifying_VBG at_IN deposition_NN and_CC at_IN trial_NN ._. 
Because_IN I_PRP 'll_MD adopt_VB this_DT ,_, but_CC I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB want_VB to_TO do_VB this_DT again_RB ._. 
I_PRP understand_VBP ._. 
And_CC you_PRP do_VBP n't_RB want_VB to_TO do_VB it_PRP again_RB ,_, I_PRP know_VBP ,_, I_PRP recognize_VBP ._. 
Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ,_, just_RB one_CD other_JJ clarification_NN question_NN ._. 
With_IN regard_NN to_TO asking_VBG what_WP they_PRP saw_VBD and_CC heard_VBN with_IN regard_NN to_TO all_DT of_IN the_DT statements_NNS and_CC the_DT articles_NNS ,_, I_PRP would_MD assume_VB that_DT 's_VBZ statements_NNS made_VBN after_IN the_DT gavel_NN banged_JJ and_CC the_DT meeting_NN was_VBD over_IN ._. 
Some_DT of_IN those_DT quotes_NNS are_VBP afterwards_RB ._. 
Yes_UH ._. 
But_CC can_MD questions_NNS be_VB asked_VBN as_RB far_RB as_IN the_DT context_NN of_IN those_DT statements_NNS ?_. 
THE_DT COURT_NN :_: Ask_VB the_DT question_NN that_IN you_PRP want_VBP to_TO ask_VB ._. 
When_WRB so_RB and_CC so_RB said_VBD this_DT thing_NN ,_, you_PRP know_VBP ,_, it_PRP was_VBD in_IN response_NN to_TO what_WP ,_, what_WP question_NN or_CC what_WP else_RB was_VBD being_VBG talked_VBN about_IN when_WRB this_DT statement_NN was_VBD made_VBN ._. 
No._NN 
That_DT 's_VBZ too_RB amorphous_JJ a_DT question_NN ._. 
The_DT issue_NN here_RB ,_, I_PRP 'll_MD restate_VB ,_, is_VBZ the_DT veracity_NN of_IN the_DT articles_NNS themselves_PRP ,_, did_VBD the_DT reporter_NN hear_VBP the_DT statement_NN as_IN reported_VBN ._. 
If_IN it_PRP was_VBD taken_VBN out_IN of_IN context_NN ,_, we_PRP 're_VBP not_RB going_VBG to_TO delve_NN into_IN that_DT in_IN this_DT examination_NN ._. 
The_DT individual_JJ who_WP believes_VBZ --_: who_WP was_VBD quoted_VBN and_CC believes_VBZ the_DT statement_NN was_VBD taken_VBN out_IN of_IN context_NN or_CC flatly_RB that_IN he_PRP did_VBD n't_RB or_CC she_PRP did_VBD n't_RB say_VB it_PRP and_CC it_PRP 's_VBZ inaccurate_JJ will_MD have_VB the_DT opportunity_NN to_TO say_VB that_IN during_IN the_DT defendants_NNS case-in-chief_JJ or_CC at_IN any_DT other_JJ time_NN during_IN the_DT trial_NN ._. 
We_PRP 're_VBP not_RB going_VBG to_TO side_VB door_NN ,_, you_PRP know_VBP ,_, a_DT bias_NN argument_NN by_IN going_VBG into_IN context_NN ._. 
Context_NNP is_VBZ a_DT dangerous_JJ thing_NN as_IN it_PRP relates_VBZ to_TO what_WP we_PRP 're_VBP doing_VBG here_RB ._. 
So_RB ,_, no_DT ,_, it_PRP 's_VBZ --_: we_PRP presume_NN that_IN the_DT statement_NN was_VBD likely_RB given_VBN to_TO the_DT reporter_NN upon_IN a_DT question_NN being_VBG asked_VBN by_IN the_DT reporter_NN ,_, although_IN it_PRP could_MD have_VB been_VBN volunteered_VBN ._. 
That_DT 's_VBZ of_IN no_DT moment_NN ._. 
The_DT issue_NN is_VBZ ,_, did_VBD the_DT reporter_NN hear_VBP the_DT statement_NN ,_, was_VBD it_PRP reported_VBD adequately_RB ,_, not_RB was_VBD it_PRP reported_VBD out_IN of_IN context_NN ,_, but_CC did_VBD those_DT words_NNS ,_, as_IN quoted_VBN ,_, come_VB out_IN of_IN that_DT individual_NN 's_POS mouth_NN ._. 
Now_RB ,_, I_PRP ca_MD n't_RB be_VB any_DT clearer_JJR than_IN that_DT ._. 
All_DT right_NN ?_. 
Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ,_, one_CD thing_NN I_PRP might_MD ask_VB ,_, since_IN it_PRP is_VBZ perhaps_RB likely_JJ that_IN issues_NNS are_VBP going_VBG to_TO arise_VB during_IN the_DT deposition_NN ,_, I_PRP 'm_VBP wondering_VBG if_IN we_PRP could_MD now_RB attempt_VB to_TO schedule_VB the_DT deposition_NN at_IN a_DT time_NN when_WRB everybody_NN ,_, including_VBG Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ,_, might_MD be_VB available_JJ to_TO intercede_NN ._. 
Well_RB ,_, what_WP 's_VBZ your_PRP$ next_JJ day_NN that_WDT would_MD be_VB available_JJ if_IN not_RB Friday_NNP ?_. 
Monday_NNP ._. 
Well_RB ,_, Monday_NNP I_PRP 'll_MD be_VB in_IN chambers_NNS in_IN Williamsport_NNP all_DT day_NN ._. 
I_PRP can_MD not_RB do_VB it_PRP Monday_NNP because_IN I_PRP could_MD n't_RB get_VB here_RB on_IN Sunday_NNP ._. 
My_PRP$ wife_NN is_VBZ going_VBG out_IN of_IN town_NN ,_, and_CC I_PRP have_VBP to_TO watch_VB all_DT the_DT kids_NNS ._. 
I_PRP could_MD do_VB it_PRP Tuesday_NNP ,_, I_PRP could_MD do_VB it_PRP Wednesday_NNP ._. 
Tuesday_NNP and_CC Wednesday_NNP is_VBZ a_DT Jewish_JJ holiday_NN for_IN me_PRP ._. 
I_PRP ca_MD n't_RB do_VB it_PRP ._. 
How_WRB about_IN tomorrow_NN ?_. 
I_PRP 'm_VBP leaving_VBG tomorrow_NN ._. 
Well_RB ,_, look_VB ,_, if_IN it_PRP 's_VBZ any_DT weekday_NN other_JJ than_IN next_JJ Friday_NNP when_WRB I_PRP will_MD not_RB be_VB available_JJ --_: I_PRP 'll_MD be_VB traveling_VBG next_JJ Friday_NNP --_: I_PRP 'll_MD be_VB available_JJ ._. 
And_CC ,_, you_PRP know_VBP ,_, we_PRP 'll_MD work_VB through_IN that_DT issue_NN ._. 
And_CC if_IN you_PRP 're_VBP otherwise_RB taking_VBG the_DT deposition_NN and_CC we_PRP 're_VBP at_IN trial_NN ,_, I_PRP 'll_MD tell_VB you_PRP that_IN we_PRP 'll_MD construct_VB some_DT mechanism_NN --_: and_CC we_PRP kind_NN of_IN talked_VBD about_IN this_DT a_DT little_JJ bit_NN yesterday_NN --_: where_WRB you_PRP hold_VBP the_DT thought_NN if_IN counsel_NN instructs_VBZ the_DT reporters_NNS not_RB to_TO answer_VB because_IN it_PRP 's_VBZ a_DT problematic_JJ question_NN ,_, and_CC we_PRP can_MD circle_NN back_RB and_CC we_PRP 'll_MD deal_VB with_IN that_DT later_RB ._. 
I_PRP understand_VBP those_DT things_NNS could_MD come_VB up_RB in_IN the_DT course_NN of_IN the_DT deposition_NN ,_, and_CC I_PRP 'll_MD rule_VB on_IN those_DT as_IN I_PRP can_MD if_IN I_PRP 'm_VBP not_RB instantly_RB available_JJ ._. 
So_RB whether_IN I_PRP 'm_VBP sitting_VBG at_IN trial_NN or_CC not_RB --_: and_CC likely_JJ it_PRP will_MD be_VB a_DT day_NN when_WRB I_PRP 'm_VBP sitting_VBG in_IN trial_NN --_: we_PRP 'll_MD deal_VB with_IN it_PRP ._. 
How_WRB about_IN later_RB today_NN ?_. 
You_PRP work_VBP that_IN out_RP ._. 
Let_VB 's_PRP get_VB back_RB on_IN the_DT record_NN here_RB ,_, because_IN we_PRP 've_VBP got_VBN people_NNS waiting_VBG and_CC I_PRP want_VBP to_TO get_VB going_VBG ._. 
You_PRP 'll_MD have_VB to_TO work_VB that_IN out_RP ._. 
But_CC I_PRP will_MD tell_VB you_PRP in_IN concluding_VBG that_IN if_IN it_PRP is_VBZ at_IN night_NN ,_, if_IN you_PRP do_VBP it_PRP at_IN night_NN ,_, I_PRP will_MD give_VB you_PRP my_PRP$ home_NN number_NN ,_, and_CC you_PRP can_MD contact_VB me_PRP so_IN we_PRP get_VBP this_DT finished_VBD ._. 
If_IN we_PRP have_VBP to_TO do_VB that_DT ,_, we_PRP 'll_MD do_VB it_PRP so_IN we_PRP get_VBP it_PRP finished_VBD ._. 
I_PRP will_MD not_RB attend_VB the_DT deposition_NN ,_, though_RB ._. 
I_PRP stopped_VBD doing_VBG that_IN when_WRB I_PRP got_VBD this_DT job_NN ._. 
Anything_NN else_RB ?_. 
No._NN 
Thank_VB you_PRP ,_, Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ._. 
Thank_VB you_PRP ,_, Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ._. 
(_( The_DT discussion_NN in_IN chambers_NNS was_VBD concluded_VBN ._. 
)_) We_PRP return_VBP in_IN session_NN ,_, and_CC I_PRP want_VBP to_TO apologize_VB to_TO the_DT assembled_JJ spectators_NNS and_CC ,_, of_IN course_NN ,_, to_TO the_DT media_NNS ._. 
We_PRP handled_VBD a_DT matter_NN in_IN chambers_NNS that_IN you_PRP 'll_MD become_VB aware_JJ of_IN in_IN an_DT effort_NN to_TO resolve_VB a_DT problem_NN ,_, and_CC I_PRP think_VBP we_PRP did_VBD ._. 
These_DT things_NNS arise_VBP during_IN trials_NNS from_IN time_NN to_TO time_NN ._. 
That_DT is_VBZ the_DT first_JJ time_NN that_IN we_PRP 've_VBP had_VBN that_DT type_NN of_IN matter_NN in_IN this_DT trial_NN ._. 
We_PRP may_MD have_VB others_NNS as_IN the_DT trial_NN unfolds_VBZ ._. 
But_CC it_PRP was_VBD a_DT necessary_JJ exercise_NN ._. 
And_CC we_PRP try_VBP to_TO keep_VB them_PRP at_IN a_DT minimum_JJ and_CC we_PRP will_MD keep_VB them_PRP at_IN a_DT minimum_NN during_IN the_DT trial_NN ._. 
But_CC with_IN that_DT ,_, we_PRP will_MD go_VB back_RB to_TO the_DT plaintiffs_NNS ._. 
You_PRP may_MD call_VB your_PRP$ next_JJ witness_NN ._. 
Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ,_, the_DT plaintiffs_NNS would_MD call_VB Julie_NNP Smith_NNP ._. 
JULIE_NNP SMITH_NNP ,_, called_VBN as_IN a_DT witness_NN ,_, having_VBG been_VBN duly_RB sworn_VBN or_CC affirmed_VBD ,_, testified_VBD as_IN follows_VBZ :_: 
DIRECT_NNP EXAMINATION_NNP BY_NNP MR_NNP ._. HARVEY_NNP :_: Please_VB tell_VB us_PRP your_PRP$ name_NN ._. 
Julie_NNP Ann_NNP Smith_NNP ._. 
Where_WRB do_VBP you_PRP live_VBP ,_, Ms._NN Smith_NNP ?_. 
Honey_NNP Run_NNP Drive_NNP ,_, York_NNP ,_, Pa_NNP ._. 
And_CC is_VBZ that_IN within_IN the_DT area_NN covered_VBN by_IN the_DT Dover_NNP Area_NNP School_NNP District_NNP ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, it_PRP is_VBZ ._. 
And_CC how_WRB long_JJ have_VBP you_PRP lived_VBD there_RB ?_. 
Fourteen_CD years_NNS ._. 
Do_VBP you_PRP have_VB any_DT children_NNS ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, I_PRP have_VBP two_CD children_NNS ._. 
How_WRB old_JJ are_VBP they_PRP ?_. 
My_PRP$ daughter_NN Katherine_NNP is_VBZ 16_CD ,_, and_CC my_PRP$ son_NN Michael_NNP is_VBZ 19_CD ._. 
Your_PRP$ daughter_NN Katherine_NNP ,_, what_WP school_NN does_VBZ she_PRP attend_VBP ?_. 
Dover_NNP High_NNP School_NNP ._. 
What_WP grade_NN is_VBZ she_PRP in_RP ?_. 
She_PRP 's_VBZ in_IN eleventh_NN grade_NN ._. 
Please_VB tell_VB us_PRP what_WP you_PRP do_VBP for_IN a_DT living_VBG ._. 
I_PRP 'm_VBP a_DT medical_JJ technologist_NN ._. 
And_CC please_VB summarize_VB for_IN us_PRP your_PRP$ educational_JJ background_NN ._. 
I_PRP graduated_VBD high_JJ school_NN in_IN 1979_CD ,_, and_CC I_PRP graduated_VBD at_IN York_NNP College_NNP with_IN a_DT degree_NN in_IN medical_JJ technology_NN in_IN 1984_CD ._. 
Now_RB ,_, did_VBD there_EX come_VB a_DT time_NN when_WRB you_PRP learned_VBD that_IN the_DT Dover_NNP Area_NNP School_NNP District_NNP Board_NNP of_IN Directors_NNS was_VBD considering_VBG approval_NN of_IN a_DT biology_NN textbook_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
And_CC tell_VB us_PRP ,_, when_WRB did_VBD you_PRP learn_VBP that_DT ?_. 
I_PRP learned_VBD that_IN in_IN June_NNP of_IN '_POS 04_CD ._. 
And_CC what_WP was_VBD the_DT basis_NN for_IN your_PRP$ knowledge_NN ?_. 
I_PRP read_VBP it_PRP in_IN the_DT paper_NN ._. 
Do_VBP you_PRP remember_VBP what_WP you_PRP read_VBP ?_. 
Yeah_UH ,_, I_PRP read_VBP it_PRP in_IN the_DT York_NNP Daily_NNP Record_NNP ,_, and_CC ,_, yes_UH ,_, I_PRP do_VBP remember_VB ._. 
Please_VB tell_VB us_PRP what_WP you_PRP remember_VBP learning_VBG at_IN that_DT time_NN ._. 
That_DT the_DT school_NN district_NN was_VBD very_RB concerned_VBN about_IN approving_VBG a_DT biology_NN text_NN that_WDT did_VBD not_RB include_VB creationism_NN ._. 
And_CC do_VBP you_PRP remember_VBP anything_NN else_RB that_IN you_PRP learned_VBD at_IN that_DT time_NN ?_. 
Not_RB right_NN off_RP the_DT top_NN of_IN my_PRP$ head_NN ._. 
Okay_UH ._. 
Did_VBD there_EX come_VB a_DT time_NN when_WRB you_PRP learned_VBD that_IN the_DT school_NN district_NN board_NN of_IN directors_NNS had_VBD approved_VBN a_DT biology_NN text_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, they_PRP did_VBD in_IN August_NNP ._. 
And_CC what_WP was_VBD the_DT basis_NN for_IN you_PRP learning_VBG that_IN at_IN that_DT time_NN ?_. 
I_PRP read_VBP about_IN it_PRP in_IN the_DT paper_NN ._. 
And_CC did_VBD there_EX come_VB a_DT time_NN when_WRB you_PRP learned_VBD that_IN the_DT school_NN district_NN board_NN of_IN directors_NNS was_VBD considering_VBG a_DT supplemental_JJ textbook_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
And_CC what_WP was_VBD the_DT basis_NN for_IN your_PRP$ knowledge_NN of_IN that_DT ?_. 
I_PRP learned_VBD that_IN from_IN the_DT paper_NN ,_, also_RB ._. 
And_CC what_WP did_VBD you_PRP learn_VBP ?_. 
That_DT they_PRP were_VBD going_VBG to_TO have_VB Of_IN Pandas_NNP and_CC People_NNS in_IN the_DT classroom_NN as_IN a_DT supplemental_JJ text_NN to_TO the_DT biology_NN book_NN ._. 
And_CC did_VBD you_PRP learn_VBP about_IN where_WRB that_DT book_NN was_VBD going_VBG to_TO come_VB from_IN ?_. 
It_PRP was_VBD donated_VBN ._. 
Now_RB ,_, did_VBD there_EX come_VB a_DT time_NN when_WRB you_PRP learned_VBD that_IN the_DT board_NN had_VBD made_VBN a_DT change_NN to_TO the_DT biology_NN curriculum_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
And_CC approximately_RB when_WRB was_VBD that_DT ?_. 
In_IN October_NNP ,_, I_PRP believe_VBP it_PRP was_VBD ,_, in_IN '_POS 04_CD ._. 
It_PRP was_VBD in_IN the_DT newspaper_NN that_IN they_PRP were_VBD going_VBG to_TO be_VB teaching_VBG their_PRP$ intelligent_JJ design_NN from_IN Of_IN Pandas_NNP and_CC People_NNS ._. 
And_CC did_VBD you_PRP attend_VBP that_DT board_NN meeting_NN ?_. 
No._NN 
And_CC did_VBD you_PRP learn_VBP anything_NN else_RB from_IN reading_VBG the_DT newspapers_NNS at_IN that_DT time_NN ?_. 
Well_RB ,_, that_IN they_PRP were_VBD going_VBG to_TO read_VB the_DT statement_NN in_IN the_DT classroom_NN ,_, yes_UH ._. 
Okay_UH ._. 
Now_RB ,_, I_PRP 'd_MD like_VB to_TO ask_VB you_PRP to_TO take_VB a_DT look_NN in_IN the_DT notebook_NN at_IN what_WP 's_VBZ been_VBN marked_VBN as_IN P_NN 127_CD ._. 
Yes_UH ._. 
Can_MD you_PRP tell_VB us_PRP what_WP it_PRP is_VBZ ?_. 
It_PRP 's_VBZ the_DT newsletter_NN that_WDT came_VBD to_TO the_DT house_NN in_IN the_DT mail_NN that_WDT told_VBD --_: that_WDT had_VBD the_DT statement_NN included_VBD that_IN they_PRP were_VBD going_VBG to_TO be_VB teaching_NN in_IN the_DT biology_NN class_NN ._. 
Now_RB ,_, do_VBP you_PRP know_VBP approximately_RB when_WRB you_PRP received_VBD this_DT ?_. 
Well_RB ,_, it_PRP says_VBZ it_PRP was_VBD February_NNP ,_, so_IN I_PRP 'm_VBP assuming_VBG it_PRP was_VBD February_NNP ._. 
Did_VBD there_EX come_VB a_DT time_NN when_WRB --_: let_VB me_PRP withdraw_VB that_DT ._. 
Do_VBP you_PRP believe_VB that_IN the_DT board_NN 's_POS actions_NNS in_IN this_DT case_NN ,_, the_DT change_NN to_TO the_DT biology_NN curriculum_NN and_CC its_PRP$ other_JJ actions_NNS ,_, have_VBP caused_VBN you_PRP harm_VBP ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, I_PRP do_VBP ._. 
And_CC can_MD you_PRP tell_VB us_PRP what_WP harm_NN you_PRP believe_VBP that_IN it_PRP has_VBZ caused_VBN you_PRP ?_. 
Late_RB in_IN '_POS 04_CD my_PRP$ daughter_NN came_VBD home_NN from_IN school_NN ,_, and_CC I_PRP was_VBD discussing_VBG kind_NN of_IN what_WP was_VBD going_VBG on_IN in_IN the_DT district_NN with_IN her_PRP ._. 
And_CC she_PRP looked_VBD at_IN me_PRP and_CC she_PRP said_VBD ,_, Well_RB ,_, Mom_NN ,_, evolution_NN is_VBZ a_DT lie_NN ,_, what_WP kind_NN of_IN Christian_NNP are_VBP you_PRP ,_, anyway_RB ,_, which_WDT I_PRP found_VBD to_TO be_VB very_RB upsetting_VBG ._. 
Did_VBD you_PRP ask_VBP her_PRP$ why_WRB she_PRP said_VBD that_DT ?_. 
Yeah_UH ,_, I_PRP asked_VBD her_PRP$ why_WRB she_PRP said_VBD that_IN ,_, and_CC she_PRP said_VBD in_IN school_NN what_WP they_PRP had_VBD been_VBN talking_VBG about_IN or_CC amongst_IN her_PRP$ friends_NNS and_CC what_WP 's_VBZ going_VBG on_IN ._. 
She_PRP seemed_VBD to_TO be_VB under_IN the_DT impression_NN that_IN as_IN a_DT Christian_NNP ,_, she_PRP could_MD not_RB believe_VB that_DT evolution_NN was_VBD a_DT science_NN that_IN ,_, you_PRP know_VBP ,_, was_VBD true_JJ ._. 
And_CC how_WRB did_VBD that_DT harm_NN you_PRP ?_. 
Well_RB ,_, it_PRP goes_VBZ against_IN my_PRP$ beliefs_NNS ._. 
I_PRP have_VBP no_DT problems_NNS with_IN my_PRP$ faith_NN and_CC evolution_NN ._. 
They_PRP 're_VBP not_RB mutually_RB exclusive_JJ ._. 
No_DT further_JJ questions_NNS of_IN this_DT witness_NN ._. 
All_DT right_JJ ._. 
Cross-examine_NNP ,_, Mr._NN Thompson_NNP ._. 
Thank_VB you_PRP ,_, Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ._. 
CROSS-EXAMINATION_NNP BY_NNP MR_NNP ._. THOMPSON_NNP :_: Mrs._NN 
Smith_NNP ,_, my_PRP$ name_NN is_VBZ Richard_NNP Thompson_NNP ._. 
I_PRP represent_VBP the_DT defendants_NNS in_IN this_DT case_NN ._. 
And_CC do_VBP you_PRP recall_VBP in_IN April_NNP where_WRB your_PRP$ deposition_NN was_VBD taken_VBN by_IN another_DT member_NN of_IN the_DT Thomas_NNP More_JJR Law_NNP Center_NNP ,_, Patrick_NNP Gillen_NNP ?_. 
Do_VBP you_PRP remember_VBP being_VBG involved_VBN in_IN that_DT deposition_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, I_PRP do_VBP ._. 
Were_VBD you_PRP present_JJ in_IN court_NN for_IN all_PDT the_DT testimony_NN that_WDT has_VBZ been_VBN given_VBN in_IN this_DT trial_NN ?_. 
No._NN 
When_WRB did_VBD you_PRP get_VBP to_TO court_VB ?_. 
Tuesday_NNP morning_NN ._. 
Now_RB ,_, whose_WP$ testimony_NN have_VBP you_PRP heard_VBD so_RB far_RB ?_. 
I_PRP heard_VBD some_DT of_IN Ken_NNP Miller_NNP 's_POS ._. 
I_PRP heard_VBD Barrie_NNP Callahan_NNP ,_, Bryan_NNP Rehm_NNP ._. 
I_PRP heard_VBD the_DT gentleman_NN this_DT morning_NN ._. 
Okay_UH ._. 
You_PRP were_VBD asked_VBN to_TO become_VB a_DT plaintiff_NN in_IN this_DT case_NN by_IN the_DT ACLU_NNP ,_, were_VBD you_PRP not_RB ?_. 
No._NN 
Did_VBD n't_RB someone_NN from_IN the_DT ACLU_NNP call_NN you_PRP ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, they_PRP called_VBD me_PRP ._. 
But_CC I_PRP was_VBD actually_RB asked_VBN by_IN my_PRP$ friend_NN at_IN work_NN ,_, who_WP said_VBD to_TO me_PRP ,_, would_MD you_PRP be_VB interested_JJ in_IN having_VBG the_DT ACLU_NNP contact_NN you_PRP ,_, and_CC I_PRP said_VBD yes_UH ._. 
And_CC so_IN the_DT ACLU_NNP contacted_VBD you_PRP ,_, and_CC you_PRP agreed_VBD to_TO become_VB a_DT plaintiff_NN in_IN this_DT case_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
Now_RB ,_, will_MD you_PRP agree_VB with_IN me_PRP that_IN the_DT policy_NN which_WDT is_VBZ the_DT subject_JJ matter_NN of_IN this_DT lawsuit_NN ,_, the_DT curriculum_NN change_NN in_IN the_DT biology_NN for_IN ninth_JJ grade_NN ,_, took_VBD place_NN on_IN October_NNP 18th_JJ ,_, 2004_CD ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
That_DT 's_VBZ when_WRB the_DT board_NN passed_VBD the_DT resolution_NN that_WDT changed_VBD the_DT biology_NN curriculum_NN ?_. 
I_PRP believe_VBP so_RB ,_, yes_UH ._. 
And_CC that_DT policy_NN was_VBD implemented_VBN for_IN the_DT first_JJ time_NN in_IN January_NNP of_IN 2005_CD ._. 
Is_VBZ that_DT correct_JJ ?_. 
That_DT 's_VBZ correct_JJ ._. 
In_IN January_NNP ,_, 2005_CD ,_, where_WRB was_VBD your_PRP$ son_NN ?_. 
My_PRP$ son_NN was_VBD in_IN college_NN ._. 
So_IN he_PRP had_VBD already_RB graduated_VBN from_IN Dover_NNP High_NNP School_NNP ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, that_DT 's_VBZ correct_JJ ._. 
And_CC in_IN January_NNP ,_, 2005_CD ,_, where_WRB was_VBD your_PRP$ daughter_NN ?_. 
She_PRP was_VBD in_IN school_NN ._. 
What_WP grade_NN ?_. 
She_PRP was_VBD in_IN grade_NN ten_CD ._. 
So_IN you_PRP will_MD agree_VB with_IN me_PRP that_IN this_DT biology_NN curriculum_NN really_RB only_RB affected_VBN ,_, as_RB far_RB as_IN the_DT statement_NN was_VBD read_VBN ,_, ninth-grade_JJ biology_NN students_NNS ?_. 
No_DT ,_, that_DT 's_VBZ not_RB true_JJ ._. 
So_IN the_DT statement_NN was_VBD read_VBN to_TO other_JJ classes_NNS ?_. 
No_DT ,_, but_CC it_PRP would_MD affect_VB all_PDT the_DT students_NNS at_IN the_DT school_NN ._. 
Well_RB ,_, listen_VB to_TO my_PRP$ question_NN ._. 
This_DT policy_NN provided_VBN that_IN the_DT statement_NN was_VBD read_VBN to_TO ninth-grade_JJ biology_NN students_NNS ._. 
Do_VBP you_PRP agree_VB with_IN that_DT ?_. 
I_PRP agree_VBP it_PRP was_VBD read_VBN to_TO ninth-grade_JJ biology_NN students_NNS ._. 
Okay_UH ._. 
And_CC your_PRP$ daughter_NN had_VBD already_RB graduated_VBN from_IN the_DT ninth_JJ grade_NN ?_. 
That_DT 's_VBZ correct_JJ ._. 
So_RB at_IN the_DT time_NN that_IN this_DT policy_NN was_VBD implemented_VBN ,_, both_DT of_IN your_PRP$ children_NNS were_VBD out_IN of_IN the_DT ninth_JJ grade_NN ?_. 
That_DT 's_VBZ correct_JJ ._. 
Neither_DT one_CD of_IN them_PRP would_MD be_VB subject_JJ to_TO the_DT statement_NN being_VBG read_NN to_TO them_PRP ._. 
Is_VBZ that_DT correct_JJ ?_. 
That_DT 's_VBZ correct_JJ ._. 
Okay_UH ._. 
Now_RB ,_, you_PRP indicated_VBD to_TO your_PRP$ lawyer_NN that_IN you_PRP got_VBD involved_VBN because_IN of_IN newspaper_NN articles_NNS that_IN you_PRP read_VBP ?_. 
That_DT 's_VBZ correct_JJ ._. 
Okay_UH ._. 
Now_RB ,_, is_VBZ it_PRP an_DT accurate_JJ statement_NN that_IN in_IN the_DT year_NN 2004_CD ,_, prior_RB to_TO you_PRP becoming_VBG a_DT plaintiff_NN in_IN this_DT case_NN ,_, you_PRP had_VBD never_RB attended_VBN a_DT single_JJ board_NN meeting_NN --_: 
That_DT 's_VBZ not_RB correct_JJ ._. 
--_: in_IN 2004_CD ?_. 
In_IN 2004_CD ,_, that_DT 's_VBZ correct_JJ ._. 
Okay_UH ._. 
Just_RB please_VB answer_NN my_PRP$ question_NN and_CC then_RB your_PRP$ attorney_NN can_MD ask_VB you_PRP to_TO explain_VB if_IN he_PRP wants_VBZ to_TO ._. 
So_RB in_IN 2004_CD ,_, prior_RB to_TO this_DT --_: prior_RB to_TO you_PRP becoming_VBG a_DT plaintiff_NN ,_, you_PRP never_RB attended_VBD a_DT board_NN meeting_NN in_IN that_DT year_NN ?_. 
In_IN that_DT year_NN ._. 
Okay_UH ._. 
Before_IN that_DT ,_, yes_UH ._. 
In_IN 2003_CD ,_, you_PRP never_RB attended_VBD a_DT board_NN meeting_NN ._. 
Is_VBZ that_DT correct_JJ ?_. 
No_DT ,_, I_PRP had_VBD attended_VBN board_NN meetings_NNS previously_RB ._. 
I_PRP did_VBD n't_RB ask_VB you_PRP that_DT question_NN ._. 
I_PRP asked_VBD you_PRP ,_, in_IN 2003_CD ,_, did_VBD you_PRP attend_VBP a_DT board_NN meeting_NN ?_. 
I_PRP 'm_VBP going_VBG to_TO say_VB I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB remember_VB which_WDT board_NN meetings_NNS I_PRP attended_VBD ._. 
In_IN --_: 
Objection_NNP ._. 
Arguing_VBG with_IN the_DT witness_NN and_CC beyond_IN the_DT scope_NN --_: 
I_PRP 'm_VBP asking_VBG questions_NNS ._. 
Excuse_NNP me_PRP ,_, and_CC beyond_IN the_DT scope_NN of_IN direct_JJ ._. 
Wait_VB ,_, wait_VB ._. 
One_CD at_IN a_DT time_NN ._. 
Let_VB him_PRP finish_VB ,_, Mr._NN Thompson_NNP ._. 
Finish_NNP the_DT objection_NN ._. 
Objection_NNP ,_, arguing_VBG with_IN the_DT witness_NN and_CC beyond_IN the_DT scope_NN of_IN direct_JJ ._. 
I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB find_VB it_PRP beyond_IN the_DT scope_NN of_IN direct_JJ ._. 
It_PRP 's_VBZ appropriate_JJ cross-examination_JJ ._. 
It_PRP 's_VBZ overruled_VBN on_IN that_DT basis_NN ._. 
We_PRP 're_VBP getting_VBG argumentative_JJ only_RB because_IN I_PRP think_VBP the_DT witness_NN and_CC counsel_NN are_VBP talking_VBG over_IN each_DT other_JJ ._. 
Each_DT of_IN you_PRP let_VBP the_DT other_JJ finish_NN before_IN you_PRP start_VBP talking_VBG ._. 
I_PRP apologize_VB ,_, Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ._. 
There_EX 's_VBZ a_DT great_JJ temptation_NN in_IN cross-examination_JJ to_TO talk_VB over_IN ._. 
That_DT happens_VBZ ._. 
So_RB let_VB 's_POS get_VB a_DT question_NN on_IN the_DT floor_NN ._. 
Why_WRB do_VBP n't_RB you_PRP restate_VB your_PRP$ question_NN ,_, Mr._NN Thompson_NNP ._. 
Okay_UH ._. 
BY_NNP MR_NNP ._. THOMPSON_NNP Is_VBZ it_PRP true_JJ that_IN you_PRP did_VBD not_RB attend_VB a_DT board_NN meeting_NN in_IN the_DT year_NN 2003_CD ?_. 
I_PRP 'm_VBP not_RB going_VBG to_TO say_VB that_DT 's_VBZ not_RB true_JJ ._. 
I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB remember_VB which_WDT board_NN meetings_NNS I_PRP attended_VBD ._. 
I_PRP did_VBD attend_VB some_DT before_IN '_POS 04_CD ._. 
Is_VBZ it_PRP true_JJ that_IN you_PRP did_VBD n't_RB attend_VB a_DT board_NN meeting_NN in_IN 2002_CD ?_. 
I_PRP told_VBD you_PRP I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB remember_VB which_WDT year_NN I_PRP --_: I_PRP attended_VBD board_NN meetings_NNS during_IN the_DT construction_NN project_NN ,_, so_RB when_WRB that_WDT was_VBD ,_, that_DT 's_VBZ when_WRB I_PRP was_VBD there_RB ._. 
And_CC that_DT was_VBD the_DT year_NN 2000_CD ,_, was_VBD it_PRP not_RB ?_. 
I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB remember_VB ._. 
Mrs._NN Smith_NNP ,_, I_PRP 'm_VBP going_VBG to_TO hand_VB you_PRP --_: 
Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ,_, may_MD I_PRP approach_VBP the_DT witness_NN ?_. 
You_PRP may_MD ._. 
BY_NNP MR_NNP ._. THOMPSON_NNP Mrs._NN Smith_NNP ,_, I_PRP 'm_VBP going_VBG to_TO hand_VB you_PRP what_WP purports_VBZ to_TO be_VB your_PRP$ deposition_NN that_WDT was_VBD taken_VBN by_IN Patrick_NNP Gillen_NNP ._. 
I_PRP would_MD like_VB you_PRP to_TO direct_VB your_PRP$ attention_NN to_TO Page_NNP 13_CD ,_, and_CC I_PRP would_MD like_VB you_PRP to_TO read_VB out_IN loud_JJ the_DT question_NN that_IN you_PRP are_VBP asked_VBN starting_VBG with_IN Line_NNP 18_CD and_CC all_PDT the_DT way_NN down_RB through_IN that_DT page_NN and_CC then_RB going_VBG on_IN to_TO the_DT next_JJ page_NN ,_, Page_NNP 14_CD ,_, and_CC reading_NN from_IN Line_NNP 1_CD through_IN Line_NNP 4_CD ._. 
And_CC please_VB read_VB it_PRP out_IN loud_JJ ._. 
You_PRP want_VBP me_PRP to_TO read_VB out_IN loud_JJ starting_NN on_IN 18_CD ?_. 
Line_NNP that_WDT starts_VBZ with_IN Q_NNP ,_, which_WDT represents_VBZ the_DT question_NN that_WDT was_VBD asked_VBN by_IN Mr._NN Gillen_NNP ,_, and_CC A_DT represents_VBZ your_PRP$ answer_NN ._. 
Would_MD you_PRP please_VB read_VB it_PRP out_IN loud_JJ ._. 
"_'' Let_VB me_PRP just_RB make_VBP sure_JJ I_PRP get_VBP you_PRP there_EX and_CC go_VB on_IN ._. 
You_PRP attended_VBD board_NN meetings_NNS ._. 
Give_VB me_PRP a_DT sense_NN of_IN which_WDT ones_NNS you_PRP attended_VBD ._. 
They_PRP were_VBD not_RB the_DT board_NN meetings_NNS "_'' --_: 
Now_RB give_VB me_PRP your_PRP$ answer_NN ._. 
So_RB that_IN the_DT record_NN will_MD reflect_VB ,_, that_WDT was_VBD the_DT question_NN and_CC now_RB your_PRP$ answer_NN ,_, starting_VBG with_IN Line_NNP 21_CD ._. 
You_PRP want_VBP me_PRP to_TO read_VB it_PRP ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
"_'' They_PRP were_VBD not_RB the_DT board_NN meetings_NNS ,_, and_CC we_PRP were_VBD not_RB discussing_VBG intelligent_JJ design_NN ._. 
When_WRB I_PRP went_VBD to_TO some_DT board_NN meetings_NNS ,_, it_PRP was_VBD several_JJ years_NNS ago_RB ._. 
We_PRP were_VBD discussing_VBG the_DT building_NN project_NN ,_, and_CC it_PRP has_VBZ nothing_NN to_TO do_VB with_IN the_DT intelligent_JJ design_NN ._. 
"_'' And_CC then_RB go_VB on_IN to_TO the_DT next_JJ page_NN ,_, and_CC the_DT question_NN that_IN Mr._NN Gillen_NNP asked_VBD you_PRP starting_VBG on_IN Line_NNP 1_CD ?_. 
"_'' That_DT is_VBZ all_DT I_PRP am_VBP trying_VBG to_TO get_VB a_DT sense_NN for_IN ._. 
I_PRP am_VBP not_RB familiar_JJ with_IN the_DT dates_NNS for_IN the_DT building_NN project_NN ._. 
Was_VBD that_DT '_POS 03_CD or_CC '_POS 02_CD ?_. 
"_'' "_'' Was_VBD that_IN 2003_CD or_CC 2002_CD ,_, "_'' is_VBZ that_DT right_NN ,_, the_DT question_NN ?_. 
That_DT 's_VBZ correct_JJ ._. 
Okay_UH ._. 
And_CC what_WP was_VBD your_PRP$ answer_NN ?_. 
"_'' I_PRP would_MD say_VB more_RBR like_IN 2000_CD ._. 
"_'' So_RB was_VBD that_IN an_DT accurate_JJ reflection_NN of_IN your_PRP$ memory_NN at_IN the_DT time_NN that_IN the_DT deposition_NN was_VBD taken_VBN ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
Okay_UH ._. 
Does_VBZ that_WDT seem_VBP right_NN that_IN the_DT board_NN meetings_NNS that_IN you_PRP attended_VBD prior_RB to_TO being_VBG a_DT plaintiff_NN in_IN a_DT lawsuit_NN was_VBD in_IN the_DT year_NN 2000_CD ?_. 
If_IN that_DT 's_VBZ what_WP I_PRP said_VBD ,_, that_DT 's_VBZ what_WP I_PRP recalled_VBD at_IN the_DT time_NN ,_, yes_UH ._. 
So_RB based_VBN upon_IN the_DT response_NN that_IN you_PRP gave_VBD to_TO your_PRP$ attorney_NN ,_, is_VBZ it_PRP a_DT fair_JJ statement_NN that_IN you_PRP began_VBD as_IN a_DT plaintiff_NN in_IN this_DT case_NN in_IN December_NNP ,_, 2004_CD ,_, without_IN ever_RB having_VBG personally_RB witnessed_VBN the_DT actions_NNS of_IN the_DT Dover_NNP School_NNP Board_NNP as_IN they_PRP debated_VBN and_CC enacted_VBD the_DT policy_NN on_IN which_WDT this_DT lawsuit_NN is_VBZ based_VBN ?_. 
MR_NNP ._. HARVEY_NNP :_: Objection_NNP ._. 
It_PRP 's_VBZ compound_NN ._. 
BY_NNP MR_NNP ._. THOMPSON_NNP Can_MD you_PRP answer_VBP that_DT question_NN ?_. 
Now_RB ,_, wait_VB ._. 
She_PRP 's_VBZ not_RB going_VBG to_TO answer_VB it_PRP until_IN I_PRP rule_VBP on_IN the_DT objection_NN ._. 
Elaborate_NNP on_IN your_PRP$ objection_NN ._. 
I_PRP think_VBP there_EX are_VBP several_JJ predicates_NNS to_TO that_DT question_NN ._. 
He_PRP asked_VBD whether_IN you_PRP were_VBD present_JJ at_IN any_DT of_IN the_DT board_NN meetings_NNS while_IN they_PRP debated_VBN and_CC then_RB enacted_VBD this_DT resolution_NN ,_, and_CC I_PRP 'm_VBP not_RB aware_JJ of_IN any_DT testimony_NN that_IN they_PRP debated_VBN the_DT resolution_NN ._. 
Well_RB ,_, I_PRP think_VBP it_PRP 's_VBZ a_DT fair_JJ characterization_NN that_IN there_EX was_VBD discussion_NN about_IN the_DT policy_NN ._. 
I_PRP 'll_MD overrule_VB the_DT objection_NN ._. 
You_PRP can_MD answer_VB the_DT question_NN ._. 
Do_VBP you_PRP recall_VBP the_DT question_NN ?_. 
No._NN 
Let_VB 's_PRP have_VBP the_DT question_NN read_NN back_RB ,_, please_VB ._. 
(_( Previous_JJ question_NN read_NN back_RB ._. 
)_) That_DT 's_VBZ correct_JJ ._. 
BY_NNP MR_NNP ._. THOMPSON_NNP In_IN fact_NN ,_, all_DT of_IN the_DT information_NN upon_IN which_WDT you_PRP --_: strike_NN that_DT ._. 
In_IN fact_NN ,_, the_DT information_NN that_IN you_PRP were_VBD getting_VBG about_IN what_WP the_DT school_NN board_NN was_VBD doing_VBG in_IN 2004_CD came_VBD from_IN newspapers_NNS ._. 
Is_VBZ that_DT correct_JJ ?_. 
That_DT 's_VBZ correct_JJ ._. 
And_CC I_PRP believe_VBP in_IN your_PRP$ deposition_NN you_PRP indicated_VBD that_IN you_PRP looked_VBD at_IN the_DT morning_NN newspapers_NNS almost_RB on_IN a_DT daily_JJ basis_NN ?_. 
That_DT 's_VBZ correct_JJ ._. 
And_CC when_WRB you_PRP were_VBD looking_VBG at_IN the_DT morning_NN newspapers_NNS ,_, that_IN you_PRP got_VBD very_RB upset_VBN about_IN what_WP you_PRP read_VBP regarding_VBG the_DT Dover_NNP School_NNP Board_NNP and_CC the_DT policies_NNS that_IN they_PRP were_VBD debating_VBG ._. 
Is_VBZ that_DT correct_JJ ?_. 
That_DT 's_VBZ correct_JJ ._. 
What_WP were_VBD the_DT two_CD --_: what_WP were_VBD the_DT newspapers_NNS that_IN you_PRP were_VBD looking_VBG at_IN during_IN this_DT time_NN ?_. 
I_PRP read_VBP the_DT Daily_NNP Record_NNP every_DT morning_NN ._. 
What_WP about_IN the_DT York_NNP Dispatch_NNP ?_. 
Not_RB regularly_RB ,_, no_UH ._. 
Okay_UH ._. 
So_RB that_IN it_PRP would_MD be_VB a_DT fair_JJ statement_NN that_IN even_RB though_IN what_WP you_PRP were_VBD reading_VBG in_IN the_DT newspapers_NNS got_VBD you_PRP upset_VBD ,_, that_IN you_PRP never_RB personally_RB attended_VBD one_CD of_IN the_DT board_NN meetings_NNS in_IN that_DT year_NN ?_. 
That_DT 's_VBZ correct_JJ ._. 
There_EX were_VBD personal_JJ issues_NNS in_IN my_PRP$ life_NN at_IN that_DT time_NN where_WRB I_PRP was_VBD not_RB able_JJ to_TO do_VB that_DT ._. 
And_CC it_PRP is_VBZ true_JJ that_IN you_PRP never_RB spoke_VBD to_TO any_DT of_IN the_DT members_NNS of_IN the_DT Dover_NNP School_NNP Board_NNP about_IN the_DT issues_NNS that_WDT concerned_VBD you_PRP ._. 
Is_VBZ that_DT correct_JJ ?_. 
That_DT 's_VBZ correct_JJ ._. 
You_PRP never_RB called_VBD them_PRP ._. 
Is_VBZ that_DT correct_JJ ?_. 
That_DT 's_VBZ correct_JJ ._. 
You_PRP never_RB e-mailed_JJ them_PRP ._. 
Is_VBZ that_DT correct_JJ ?_. 
That_DT 's_VBZ correct_JJ ._. 
Did_VBD you_PRP write_VBP letters_NNS to_TO the_DT editor_NN about_IN what_WP the_DT school_NN board_NN was_VBD doing_VBG ?_. 
No._NN 
So_RB that_IN the_DT first_JJ time_NN that_IN the_DT school_NN board_NN would_MD know_VB that_IN you_PRP were_VBD upset_VBN with_IN their_PRP$ actions_NNS is_VBZ when_WRB they_PRP learned_VBD of_IN you_PRP being_VBG a_DT plaintiff_NN in_IN this_DT lawsuit_NN ._. 
Is_VBZ that_DT correct_JJ ?_. 
That_DT 's_VBZ correct_JJ ._. 
Okay_UH ._. 
Now_RB ,_, did_VBD you_PRP ever_RB speak_VBP to_TO any_DT of_IN the_DT teachers_NNS at_IN Dover_NNP High_NNP School_NNP before_IN you_PRP became_VBD a_DT plaintiff_NN in_IN this_DT case_NN ?_. 
No._NN 
Did_VBD you_PRP ever_RB speak_VBP to_TO any_DT of_IN the_DT reporters_NNS who_WP had_VBD written_VBN the_DT stories_NNS about_IN what_WP the_DT Dover_NNP School_NNP Board_NNP was_VBD doing_VBG during_IN this_DT time_NN ?_. 
No._NN 
Did_VBD you_PRP ever_RB receive_VBP any_DT minutes_NNS or_CC notes_NNS about_IN what_WP the_DT Dover_NNP School_NNP Board_NNP was_VBD doing_VBG during_IN this_DT time_NN ?_. 
No._NN 
You_PRP never_RB sent_VBD anyone_NN e-mails_JJ or_CC any_DT other_JJ communication_NN regarding_VBG this_DT issue_NN ._. 
Is_VBZ that_IN a_DT fair_JJ statement_NN ?_. 
That_DT 's_VBZ a_DT fair_JJ statement_NN ._. 
In_IN fact_NN ,_, one_CD of_IN the_DT issues_NNS in_IN this_DT case_NN is_VBZ this_DT book_NN Of_IN Pandas_NNP and_CC People_NNS ._. 
Is_VBZ that_DT correct_JJ ?_. 
That_DT 's_VBZ correct_JJ ._. 
You_PRP never_RB looked_VBD at_IN the_DT book_NN Of_IN Pandas_NNP and_CC People_NNS before_IN you_PRP became_VBD a_DT plaintiff_NN in_IN this_DT lawsuit_NN ,_, did_VBD you_PRP ?_. 
I_PRP did_VBD n't_RB feel_VB that_IN I_PRP could_MD look_VB at_IN it_PRP ._. 
It_PRP was_VBD in_IN --_: I_PRP guess_VBP it_PRP was_VBD in_IN the_DT library_NN at_IN the_DT school_NN ,_, but_CC I_PRP was_VBD not_RB aware_JJ if_IN we_PRP could_MD go_VB in_IN the_DT school_NN library_NN and_CC take_VB out_RP books_NNS or_CC not_RB ._. 
Well_RB ,_, did_VBD you_PRP make_VBP any_DT effort_NN to_TO go_VB and_CC look_VB at_IN it_PRP ?_. 
I_PRP really_RB was_VBD n't_RB interested_JJ ._. 
Now_RB ,_, your_PRP$ attorney_NN referred_VBD to_TO a_DT newsletter_NN that_IN you_PRP received_VBD in_IN February_NNP ._. 
Do_VBP you_PRP have_VB a_DT copy_NN of_IN that_DT newsletter_NN in_IN front_NN of_IN you_PRP ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
And_CC I_PRP believe_VBP you_PRP indicated_VBD that_IN you_PRP thought_VBD the_DT newsletter_NN was_VBD sent_VBN in_IN February_NNP ,_, 2002_CD ?_. 
No._NN 
Excuse_NNP me_PRP ,_, 2005_CD ._. 
Excuse_NNP me_PRP ._. 
Correct_NNP ._. 
Okay_UH ._. 
Could_MD we_PRP have_VB that_DT newsletter_NN ?_. 
I_PRP would_MD like_VB you_PRP to_TO read_VB from_IN that_DT newsletter_NN on_IN the_DT top_JJ left-hand_JJ side_NN in_IN that_DT box_NN ._. 
Read_NNP it_PRP out_IN loud_JJ ,_, please_VB ._. 
"_'' This_DT newsletter_NN has_VBZ been_VBN produced_VBN to_TO help_VB explain_VB the_DT changes_NNS in_IN the_DT biology_NN curriculum_NN ._. 
Unfortunately_RB ,_, a_DT great_JJ deal_NN of_IN misinformation_NN has_VBZ been_VBN spread_NN regarding_VBG this_DT policy_NN ._. 
We_PRP hope_VBP this_DT publication_NN will_MD help_VB those_DT interested_JJ better_JJR understand_VB the_DT substance_NN of_IN the_DT policy_NN while_IN eliminating_VBG any_DT misconceptions_NNS some_DT may_MD have_VB about_IN the_DT curriculum_NN change_NN ._. 
We_PRP sincerely_RB appreciate_VBP your_PRP$ understanding_NN on_IN this_DT matter_NN ._. 
"_'' Thank_VB you_PRP ._. 
It_PRP was_VBD through_IN this_DT policy_NN that_IN you_PRP first_RB learned_VBD about_IN the_DT statement_NN that_WDT was_VBD going_VBG to_TO be_VB read_VBN ._. 
Is_VBZ that_DT correct_JJ ?_. 
No_DT ,_, I_PRP believe_VBP --_: no_DT ,_, I_PRP heard_VBD about_IN it_PRP before_RB ._. 
But_CC did_VBD you_PRP actually_RB see_VBP the_DT statement_NN before_RP ?_. 
I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB think_VB so_RB ._. 
So_IN this_DT was_VBD the_DT first_JJ time_NN that_IN you_PRP saw_VBD the_DT statement_NN that_WDT was_VBD going_VBG to_TO be_VB read_VBN to_TO the_DT students_NNS in_IN the_DT ninth-grade_JJ biology_NN class_NN ._. 
Is_VBZ that_DT correct_JJ ?_. 
I_PRP believe_VBP so_RB ._. 
Okay_UH ._. 
As_RB far_RB as_IN I_PRP can_MD tell_VB ._. 
And_CC so_IN this_DT newsletter_NN was_VBD actually_RB providing_VBG information_NN to_TO the_DT residents_NNS of_IN Dover_NNP as_IN to_TO what_WP the_DT actual_JJ newsletter_NN was_VBD --_: excuse_NN me_PRP ,_, what_WP the_DT actual_JJ statement_NN was_VBD going_VBG to_TO say_VB ._. 
Is_VBZ that_DT correct_JJ ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
Okay_UH ._. 
So_IN you_PRP had_VBD no_DT problem_NN with_IN the_DT fact_NN that_IN the_DT newsletter_NN was_VBD being_VBG produced_VBN ,_, even_RB though_IN you_PRP had_VBD a_DT problem_NN with_IN the_DT policy_NN ._. 
Is_VBZ that_DT correct_JJ ?_. 
No._NN 
Now_RB ,_, there_EX 's_VBZ a_DT bit_NN of_IN street_NN wisdom_NN ,_, and_CC I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB know_VB whether_IN you_PRP agree_VBP with_IN this_DT or_CC not_RB ,_, and_CC that_DT street_NN wisdom_NN is_VBZ ,_, do_VBP n't_RB believe_VB everything_NN you_PRP read_VBP in_IN the_DT newspapers_NNS ._. 
Have_VBP you_PRP ever_RB heard_VBD that_DT ?_. 
Yeah_UH ,_, I_PRP 've_VBP heard_VBN that_DT before_RB ._. 
Okay_UH ._. 
And_CC so_RB if_IN you_PRP do_VBP n't_RB believe_VB everything_NN in_IN the_DT newspapers_NNS ,_, do_VBP n't_RB you_PRP think_VB before_IN you_PRP became_VBD a_DT plaintiff_NN in_IN a_DT lawsuit_NN that_IN you_PRP should_MD have_VB taken_VBN some_DT personal_JJ action_NN to_TO verify_VB whether_IN things_NNS that_WDT were_VBD produced_VBN in_IN a_DT newspaper_NN were_VBD really_RB accurate_JJ ?_. 
I_PRP did_VBD talk_NN to_TO people_NNS in_IN the_DT district_NN ,_, other_JJ people_NNS in_IN the_DT district_NN ._. 
Who_WP did_VBD you_PRP talk_VBP to_TO ?_. 
People_NNS that_IN I_PRP work_VBP with_IN ,_, other_JJ people_NNS in_IN the_DT district_NN ._. 
But_CC you_PRP never_RB even_RB saw_VBD the_DT policy_NN until_IN that_DT newsletter_NN came_VBD out_RP ._. 
Is_VBZ that_DT correct_JJ ?_. 
I_PRP got_VBD my_PRP$ information_NN from_IN the_DT newspaper_NN ,_, yes_UH ._. 
And_CC the_DT newspaper_NN ._. 
Now_RB ,_, have_VBP you_PRP ever_RB had_VBD involvement_NN with_IN newspapers_NNS before_RP ?_. 
Have_VBP you_PRP been_VBN interviewed_VBN ?_. 
Have_VBP you_PRP been_VBN interviewed_VBN by_IN news_NN reporters_NNS before_RP ?_. 
No._NN 
But_CC would_MD it_PRP be_VB a_DT fair_JJ statement_NN to_TO say_VB in_IN the_DT normal_JJ experience_NN that_IN newspaper_NN reporters_NNS might_MD spend_VB five_CD ,_, ten_CD ,_, or_CC fifteen_CD minutes_NNS interviewing_VBG a_DT person_NN and_CC then_RB only_RB put_VB one_CD line_NN of_IN that_DT interview_NN in_IN an_DT article_NN ?_. 
Objection_NNP ._. 
No_DT foundation_NN that_IN she_PRP has_VBZ any_DT experience_NN as_IN referred_VBN to_TO in_IN the_DT question_NN ._. 
Do_VBP you_PRP want_VB to_TO respond_VB to_TO that_DT Mr._NN Thompson_NNP ?_. 
Well_RB ,_, I_PRP think_VBP it_PRP 's_VBZ common_JJ experience_NN and_CC it_PRP 's_VBZ knowledge_NN ,_, it_PRP 's_VBZ common_JJ sense_NN ._. 
Now_RB I_PRP think_VBP we_PRP 're_VBP going_VBG afield_RB ._. 
I_PRP 'll_MD sustain_VB the_DT objection_NN ._. 
We_PRP 're_VBP now_RB clearly_RB outside_IN the_DT scope_NN of_IN direct_JJ ,_, the_DT objection_NN is_VBZ sustained_VBN ._. 
BY_NNP MR_NNP ._. THOMPSON_NNP Well_RB ,_, you_PRP said_VBD that_IN you_PRP were_VBD upset_VBN by_IN the_DT policy_NN because_IN it_PRP conflicts_NNS with_IN your_PRP$ religion_NN ?_. 
I_PRP said_VBD I_PRP was_VBD upset_VBN about_IN it_PRP because_IN I_PRP did_VBD n't_RB find_VB a_DT problem_NN with_IN it_PRP with_IN my_PRP$ religion_NN ._. 
It_PRP does_VBZ not_RB --_: I_PRP 'm_VBP getting_VBG confused_VBN ._. 
I_PRP have_VBP a_DT problem_NN with_IN it_PRP because_IN my_PRP$ daughter_NN came_VBD home_NN from_IN school_NN and_CC she_PRP says_VBZ to_TO me_PRP ,_, What_WP kind_NN of_IN Christian_NNP are_VBP you_PRP ,_, anyway_RB ?_. 
So_RB that_DT 's_VBZ why_WRB I_PRP have_VBP a_DT problem_NN with_IN it_PRP ._. 
If_IN you_PRP recall_VBP your_PRP$ deposition_NN --_: and_CC I_PRP certainly_RB will_MD give_VB you_PRP an_DT opportunity_NN to_TO look_VB at_IN it_PRP if_IN you_PRP do_VBP n't_RB recall_VB it_PRP --_: the_DT incident_NN that_IN you_PRP 're_VBP referring_VBG to_TO ,_, also_RB you_PRP received_VBD information_NN that_IN your_PRP$ daughter_NN was_VBD a_DT member_NN of_IN a_DT Bible_NNP club_NN ._. 
Right_RB ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
And_CC up_IN to_TO that_DT point_NN ,_, you_PRP were_VBD not_RB even_RB aware_JJ she_PRP was_VBD a_DT member_NN of_IN a_DT Bible_NNP club_NN ._. 
Is_VBZ n't_RB that_DT correct_JJ ?_. 
That_DT 's_VBZ correct_JJ ._. 
And_CC that_IN it_PRP was_VBD --_: she_PRP had_VBD a_DT lot_NN of_IN friends_NNS who_WP went_VBD to_TO Protestant_JJ fundamental_JJ churches_NNS ._. 
Is_VBZ that_DT correct_JJ ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, she_PRP does_VBZ ._. 
And_CC she_PRP received_VBD that_DT information_NN from_IN her_PRP$ friends_NNS ,_, her_PRP$ Protestant_JJ friends_NNS in_IN school_NN or_CC in_IN the_DT Bible_NNP club_NN ._. 
Is_VBZ n't_RB that_DT correct_JJ ?_. 
I_PRP would_MD assume_VB that_DT 's_VBZ where_WRB she_PRP got_VBD her_PRP$ information_NN ,_, from_IN the_DT Bible_NNP club_NN at_IN school_NN ._. 
Plus_NNP they_PRP talked_VBD about_IN it_PRP ._. 
And_CC the_DT fact_NN that_DT someone_NN believes_VBZ in_IN intelligent_JJ design_NN does_VBZ not_RB make_VB that_IN inconsistent_JJ with_IN the_DT Catholic_NNP faith_NN ,_, does_VBZ it_PRP ?_. 
I_PRP spoke_VBD to_TO my_PRP$ deacon_NN about_IN this_DT situation_NN ,_, and_CC all_DT I_PRP know_VBP is_VBZ what_WP he_PRP told_VBD me_PRP ._. 
Is_VBZ he_PRP a_DT theologian_NN ?_. 
He_PRP 's_VBZ a_DT deacon_NN at_IN St._NN Rose_NNP Catholic_NNP Church_NNP ._. 
Do_VBP you_PRP know_VBP if_IN he_PRP has_VBZ any_DT particular_JJ expertise_NN in_IN Catholic_NNP theology_NN ?_. 
Objection_NNP again_RB ._. 
Beyond_IN the_DT scope_NN of_IN direct_JJ ,_, Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ._. 
She_PRP brought_VBD the_DT issue_NN up_RB of_IN religion_NN ,_, Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ,_, and_CC I_PRP 'm_VBP exploring_VBG that_DT ._. 
Well_RB ,_, I_PRP think_VBP it_PRP is_VBZ beyond_IN the_DT scope_NN ,_, again_RB ,_, the_DT colorable_JJ scope_NN of_IN direct_JJ ,_, and_CC I_PRP 'll_MD sustain_VB the_DT objection_NN ._. 
This_DT is_VBZ not_RB a_DT deposition_NN ._. 
This_DT is_VBZ testimony_NN in_IN the_DT case-in-chief_JJ ,_, and_CC we_PRP 're_VBP afield_RB ._. 
BY_NNP MR_NNP ._. THOMPSON_NNP Now_RB ,_, the_DT book_NN Of_IN Pandas_NNP and_CC People_NNS ,_, you_PRP do_VBP n't_RB mind_VB that_DT book_NN being_VBG in_IN the_DT library_NN ,_, do_VBP you_PRP ?_. 
No_DT ,_, I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB have_VB a_DT problem_NN with_IN it_PRP being_VBG in_IN the_DT library_NN ._. 
You_PRP heard_VBD yesterday_NN ,_, if_IN you_PRP attended_VBD the_DT deposition_NN of_IN --_: excuse_NN me_PRP ,_, the_DT testimony_NN of_IN Mr._NN Rehm_NNP 's_POS ,_, that_IN the_DT science_NN teachers_NNS ,_, in_IN a_DT compromised_JJ move_NN ,_, had_VBD agreed_VBN to_TO put_VB Of_IN Pandas_NNP and_CC People_NNS in_IN the_DT science_NN class_NN ._. 
Did_VBD you_PRP hear_VBP that_DT ?_. 
Objection_NNP ,_, Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ._. 
Mischaracterizes_NNP the_DT testimony_NN ._. 
In_IN what_WP sense_NN ?_. 
I_PRP believe_VBP Mr._NN Rehm_NNP testified_VBD that_IN the_DT teachers_NNS did_VBD not_RB agree_VB to_TO put_VB the_DT materials_NNS in_IN the_DT science_NN class_NN ._. 
Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ,_, my_PRP$ understanding_NN in_IN --_: 
And_CC --_: 
Now_RB ,_, wait_VB ,_, Mr._NN Harvey_NNP ._. 
Let_VB Mr._NN Thompson_NNP speak_VB ._. 
One_CD at_IN a_DT time_NN ._. 
Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ,_, my_PRP$ memory_NN ,_, if_IN it_PRP serves_VBZ me_PRP correct_JJ ,_, Mr._NN Rehm_NNP testified_VBD that_IN they_PRP had_VBD reached_VBN a_DT compromise_NN with_IN some_DT of_IN the_DT board_NN members_NNS that_IN they_PRP were_VBD going_VBG to_TO allow_VB the_DT book_NN Of_IN Pandas_NNP and_CC People_NNS in_IN the_DT science_NN classroom_NN ._. 
My_PRP$ recollection_NN is_VBZ that_IN he_PRP may_MD not_RB have_VB used_VBN the_DT word_NN "_'' compromise_NN ,_, "_'' he_PRP may_MD have_VB used_VBN the_DT word_NN "_'' concession_NN ._. 
"_'' I_PRP 'm_VBP not_RB sure_JJ that_IN there_EX 's_VBZ a_DT distinction_NN as_IN it_PRP applies_VBZ here_RB ._. 
I_PRP 'll_MD overrule_VB the_DT objection_NN ._. 
Did_VBD you_PRP hear_VBP Mr._NN Rehm_NNP 's_POS testimony_NN yesterday_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
Well_RB ,_, then_RB go_VB ahead_RB ._. 
BY_NNP MR_NNP ._. THOMPSON_NNP Whether_IN it_PRP 's_VBZ "_'' concession_NN "_'' or_CC "_'' compromise_NN ,_, "_'' did_VBD you_PRP hear_VBP that_IN the_DT teachers_NNS had_VBD agreed_VBN to_TO put_VB Of_IN Pandas_NNP and_CC People_NNS in_IN the_DT science_NN classroom_NN ?_. 
I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB remember_VB exactly_RB what_WP he_PRP said_VBD yesterday_NN ._. 
No_DT further_JJ questions_NNS ,_, Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ._. 
All_DT right_JJ ._. 
Thank_VB you_PRP ,_, Mr._NN Thompson_NNP ._. 
Any_DT redirect_NN ?_. 
No_DT ,_, Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ._. 
Then_RB ,_, ma'am_NN ,_, you_PRP may_MD step_VB down_RB ._. 
That_DT will_MD complete_VB your_PRP$ testimony_NN ._. 
And_CC I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB think_VB we_PRP have_VBP any_DT exhibits_NNS to_TO enter_VB ,_, do_VBP we_PRP ?_. 
That_DT 's_VBZ correct_JJ ,_, Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ._. 
P_NN 127_CD is_VBZ already_RB in_IN evidence_NN ._. 
You_PRP may_MD call_VB your_PRP$ next_JJ witness_NN ._. 
Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ,_, the_DT plaintiffs_NNS call_VBP to_TO the_DT stand_NN Plaintiff_NNP Christy_NNP Rehm_NNP ._. 
CHRISTY_NNP REHM_NNP ,_, called_VBN as_IN a_DT witness_NN ,_, having_VBG been_VBN duly_RB sworn_VBN or_CC affirmed_VBD ,_, testified_VBD as_IN follows_VBZ :_: 
Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ,_, again_RB ,_, may_MD I_PRP make_VB sure_JJ that_IN she_PRP has_VBZ the_DT binder_NN of_IN exhibits_NNS ?_. 
You_PRP certainly_RB may_MD ._. 
DIRECT_NNP EXAMINATION_NNP BY_NNP MR_NNP ._. HARVEY_NNP Please_VB tell_VB us_PRP your_PRP$ name_NN ._. 
Christy_NNP Rehm_NNP ._. 
Are_VBP you_PRP married_VBD ,_, Mrs._NN Rehm_NNP ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
Tell_VB us_PRP the_DT name_NN of_IN your_PRP$ husband_NN ._. 
Bryan_NNP Rehm_NNP ._. 
Please_VB clarify_VB for_IN us_PRP one_CD important_JJ question_NN ,_, and_CC that_DT is_VBZ ,_, exactly_RB how_WRB old_JJ are_VBP your_PRP$ children_NNS ?_. 
My_PRP$ children_NNS ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
I_PRP have_VBP a_DT 14_CD -_: year-old_JJ daughter_NN ,_, Alix_NNP ,_, an_DT eight-year-old_JJ daughter_NN Paige_NNP ,_, a_DT seven-year-old_JJ son_NN Ian_NNP ,_, and_CC a_DT 15_CD -_: month-old_JJ son_NN Lucas_NNP ._. 
And_CC where_WRB does_VBZ your_PRP$ family_NN live_VB ?_. 
I_PRP mean_VBP your_PRP$ immediate_JJ family_NN ,_, you_PRP and_CC your_PRP$ husband_NN and_CC your_PRP$ children_NNS ._. 
Rock_NNP Creek_NNP Drive_NNP ,_, Dover_NNP ,_, Pennsylvania_NNP ._. 
And_CC how_WRB long_JJ have_VBP you_PRP lived_VBD there_RB ?_. 
Approximately_RB five_CD years_NNS ._. 
And_CC had_VBD you_PRP lived_VBD in_IN Dover_NNP previously_RB to_TO that_DT in_IN your_PRP$ life_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
I_PRP grew_VBD up_RB in_IN Dover_NNP ,_, I_PRP attended_VBD Dover_NNP High_NNP School_NNP ,_, graduated_VBD from_IN Dover_NNP High_NNP School_NNP ._. 
My_PRP$ family_NN ,_, my_PRP$ extended_JJ family_NN ,_, lives_NNS in_IN the_DT Dover_NNP area_NN ,_, including_VBG my_PRP$ grandparents_NNS ,_, my_PRP$ parents_NNS ,_, and_CC other_JJ relatives_NNS ._. 
My_PRP$ parents_NNS currently_RB still_RB live_VB in_IN the_DT Dover_NNP area_NN ._. 
And_CC please_VB tell_VB us_PRP where_WRB your_PRP$ children_NNS are_VBP right_RB now_RB in_IN school_NN ,_, the_DT grades_NNS ,_, please_VB ._. 
Grade_NNP level_NN ,_, okay_JJ ,_, yes_UH ._. 
The_DT oldest_JJS is_VBZ in_IN ninth_JJ grade_NN ,_, the_DT next_JJ one_CD is_VBZ in_IN the_DT third_JJ grade_NN ._. 
I_PRP have_VBP a_DT first-grader_NN ,_, and_CC then_RB obviously_RB the_DT baby_NN is_VBZ not_RB in_IN school_NN yet_RB ._. 
And_CC the_DT oldest_JJS three_CD children_NNS ,_, do_VBP they_PRP attend_VBP the_DT public_JJ schools_NNS in_IN Dover_NNP ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
Two_CD of_IN them_PRP ,_, my_PRP$ oldest_JJS is_VBZ at_IN the_DT high_JJ school_NN ,_, the_DT Dover_NNP High_NNP School_NNP ,_, and_CC then_RB I_PRP have_VBP --_: the_DT next_JJ one_CD is_VBZ at_IN the_DT Weiglestown_NNP Elementary_NNP School_NNP ._. 
And_CC my_PRP$ son_NN is_VBZ hearing-impaired_JJ ,_, so_IN he_PRP is_VBZ charged_VBN with_IN the_DT education_NN of_IN Dover_NNP School_NNP District_NNP ,_, meaning_VBG that_IN they_PRP have_VBP to_TO provide_VB his_PRP$ education_NN ,_, but_CC he_PRP actually_RB attends_VBZ classes_NNS at_IN a_DT hearing-impaired_JJ classroom_NN ._. 
And_CC your_PRP$ daughter_NN that_WDT 's_VBZ in_IN the_DT ninth_JJ grade_NN ,_, is_VBZ that_IN at_IN the_DT Dover_NNP High_NNP School_NNP ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
And_CC is_VBZ she_PRP taking_VBG biology_NN now_RB ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, she_PRP is_VBZ ._. 
Please_VB summarize_VB for_IN us_PRP your_PRP$ educational_JJ background_NN ._. 
As_IN I_PRP said_VBD ,_, I_PRP graduated_VBD from_IN Dover_NNP High_NNP School_NNP ._. 
I_PRP attended_VBD Lock_NNP Haven_NNP University_NNP and_CC Millersville_NNP University_NNP ._. 
I_PRP received_VBD a_DT BA_NNP from_IN Millersville_NNP University_NNP in_IN English_NNP ,_, and_CC I_PRP also_RB have_VBP a_DT degree_NN in_IN journalism_NN ,_, as_RB well_RB ._. 
I_PRP later_RB got_VBD a_DT teaching_NN certification_NN and_CC attended_VBD Penn_NNP State_NNP University_NNP where_WRB I_PRP received_VBD my_PRP$ master_NN 's_POS degree_NN ._. 
Do_VBP you_PRP work_VBP outside_IN the_DT home_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, I_PRP do_VBP ._. 
What_WP do_VBP you_PRP do_VBP ?_. 
I_PRP 'm_VBP a_DT teacher_NN ,_, an_DT English_NNP teacher_NN ._. 
Where_WRB do_VBP you_PRP teach_VBP ?_. 
In_IN a_DT public_JJ school_NN system_NN outside_IN of_IN York_NNP County_NNP ._. 
And_CC what_WP grade_NN do_VBP you_PRP teach_VBP ?_. 
High-school_NNP level_NN ,_, so_RB tenth_NN through_IN twelfth_NN grade_NN generally_RB ._. 
Did_VBD there_EX come_VB a_DT time_NN when_WRB you_PRP learned_VBD that_IN the_DT Dover_NNP Area_NNP School_NNP District_NNP Board_NNP of_IN Directors_NNS was_VBD considering_VBG a_DT change_NN to_TO --_: was_VBD considering_VBG approval_NN of_IN a_DT biology_NN textbook_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
Do_VBP you_PRP remember_VBP when_WRB that_DT was_VBD ?_. 
It_PRP was_VBD sometime_RB in_IN 2004_CD ._. 
It_PRP was_VBD prior_RB to_TO the_DT June_NNP meetings_NNS because_IN my_PRP$ husband_NN was_VBD a_DT teacher_NN at_IN the_DT school_NN ,_, so_IN I_PRP often_RB heard_VBD things_NNS that_IN he_PRP would_MD come_VB home_NN and_CC tell_VB me_PRP ._. 
So_IN I_PRP knew_VBD that_IN there_EX was_VBD some_DT discussion_NN over_IN the_DT biology_NN book_NN ,_, so_RB sometime_RB before_IN that_DT ._. 
I_PRP ca_MD n't_RB tell_VB you_PRP exactly_RB when_WRB ._. 
Did_VBD you_PRP attend_VBP a_DT meeting_NN of_IN the_DT Dover_NNP Area_NNP School_NNP District_NNP Board_NNP of_IN Directors_NNS on_IN June_NNP the_DT 7th_CD of_IN 2004_CD ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, I_PRP did_VBD ._. 
And_CC why_WRB did_VBD you_PRP attend_VBP that_DT meeting_NN ?_. 
Well_RB ,_, because_RB ,_, like_IN I_PRP said_VBD ,_, my_PRP$ husband_NN had_VBD been_VBN a_DT teacher_NN at_IN the_DT school_NN ,_, and_CC he_PRP had_VBD sort_NN of_IN been_VBN directed_VBN by_IN the_DT high_JJ school_NN principal_JJ to_TO attend_VB the_DT meeting_NN in_IN support_NN of_IN the_DT different_JJ things_NNS that_WDT were_VBD happening_VBG ._. 
There_EX were_VBD other_JJ textbooks_NNS that_WDT were_VBD being_VBG adopted_VBN and_CC controversies_NNS over_IN them_PRP ,_, and_CC ,_, you_PRP know_VBP ,_, it_PRP was_VBD sort_NN of_IN a_DT rallying_VBG thing_NN ,_, I_PRP suppose_VBP ._. 
And_CC I_PRP went_VBD along_IN because_IN I_PRP live_VBP in_IN the_DT district_NN ,_, I_PRP pay_VBP taxes_NNS in_IN the_DT district_NN ,_, my_PRP$ children_NNS attend_VBP school_NN in_IN the_DT district_NN ._. 
I_PRP 'm_VBP an_DT educator_NN ,_, and_CC I_PRP was_VBD curious_JJ about_IN what_WP was_VBD happening_VBG ._. 
And_CC can_MD you_PRP recall_VB anything_NN that_WDT happened_VBD at_IN that_DT meeting_NN on_IN June_NNP the_DT 7th_CD ?_. 
I_PRP recall_VBP a_DT lot_NN of_IN things_NNS that_WDT were_VBD happening_VBG at_IN that_DT meeting_NN ._. 
Please_VB tell_VB us_PRP what_WP you_PRP can_MD remember_VB about_IN that_DT meeting_NN ._. 
Okay_UH ._. 
Some_DT of_IN the_DT --_: I_PRP attended_VBD a_DT lot_NN of_IN meetings_NNS ,_, so_RB facts_NNS blur_VB together_RB ._. 
What_WP I_PRP do_VBP recall_VB ,_, I_PRP --_: as_IN my_PRP$ husband_NN said_VBD yesterday_NN ,_, I_PRP was_VBD pregnant_JJ at_IN the_DT time_NN ,_, so_IN I_PRP have_VBP some_DT reason_NN to_TO remember_VB certain_JJ things_NNS ._. 
But_CC I_PRP recall_VBP Barrie_NNP Callahan_NNP speaking_VBG about_IN the_DT textbook_NN ._. 
It_PRP was_VBD the_DT first_JJ time_NN that_IN I_PRP had_VBD really_RB ever_RB been_VBN around_IN Barrie_NNP Callahan_NNP ,_, so_IN she_PRP strikes_VBZ me_PRP -_: that_IN memory_NN strikes_NNS me_PRP because_IN my_PRP$ mother_NN had_VBD known_VBN her_PRP$ previously_RB ._. 
And_CC she_PRP was_VBD speaking_VBG about_IN the_DT textbook_NN ,_, just_RB questioning_VBG them_PRP ._. 
I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB remember_VB her_PRP$ exact_JJ words_NNS ._. 
But_CC I_PRP do_VBP know_VB that_IN she_PRP was_VBD upset_VBN with_IN them_PRP about_IN this_DT textbook_NN ,_, the_DT textbook_NN process_NN ,_, the_DT students_NNS not_RB having_VBG a_DT textbook_NN ._. 
Obviously_RB it_PRP was_VBD very_RB distressing_JJ for_IN her_PRP that_IN the_DT students_NNS in_IN the_DT biology_NN class_NN did_VBD not_RB have_VB a_DT textbook_NN ._. 
Do_VBP you_PRP remember_VBP if_IN any_DT board_NN member_NN spoke_VBD back_RB to_TO her_PRP in_IN response_NN to_TO her_PRP$ questions_NNS ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
Bill_NNP Buckingham_NNP said_VBD to_TO her_PRP$ --_: and_CC I_PRP know_VBP Bill_NNP Buckingham_NNP because_IN at_IN the_DT time_NN he_PRP lived_VBD down_RP the_DT street_NN from_IN my_PRP$ grandparents_NNS and_CC for_IN many_JJ years_NNS lived_VBD there_RB ._. 
And_CC he_PRP responded_VBD to_TO her_PRP$ basically_RB saying_VBG that_IN there_EX 's_VBZ ,_, you_PRP know_VBP ,_, a_DT problem_NN with_IN the_DT textbook_NN ,_, it_PRP needs_VBZ to_TO be_VB balanced_JJ ,_, comments_NNS about_IN laced_VBN with_IN Darwinism_NNP ,_, it_PRP needed_VBD to_TO be_VB balanced_VBN with_IN creationism_NN ._. 
Comments_NNS of_IN that_DT nature_NN is_VBZ what_WP he_PRP had_VBD said_VBN to_TO her_PRP ._. 
Do_VBP you_PRP remember_VBP --_: 
I_PRP 'm_VBP sorry_JJ ._. 
I_PRP 'm_VBP sorry_JJ ._. 
And_CC I_PRP distinctly_RB recall_VBP Barrie_NNP Callahan_NNP sort_NN of_IN throwing_VBG her_PRP$ hands_NNS up_RB in_IN the_DT air_NN and_CC saying_VBG ,_, Oh_UH ,_, so_IN this_DT is_VBZ about_IN evolution_NN ._. 
That_DT was_VBD very_RB distinct_JJ in_IN my_PRP$ mind_NN ,_, just_RB her_PRP$ mannerisms_NNS as_IN she_PRP said_VBD that_DT ._. 
Do_VBP you_PRP recall_VBP a_DT young_JJ man_NN by_IN the_DT name_NN of_IN Max_NNP Pell_NNP speaking_VBG at_IN that_DT meeting_NN ?_. 
Unfortunately_RB I_PRP was_VBD in_IN the_DT restroom_NN at_IN the_DT time_NN that_IN Max_NNP Pell_NNP was_VBD speaking_VBG because_IN --_: my_PRP$ husband_NN told_VBD you_PRP I_PRP was_VBD eight_CD months_NNS pregnant_JJ ._. 
I_PRP was_VBD actually_RB nine_CD months_NNS pregnant_JJ and_CC due_JJ any_DT day_NN ,_, so_IN I_PRP spent_VBD quite_RB a_DT deal_NN of_IN time_NN in_IN the_DT restroom_NN ._. 
But_CC I_PRP had_VBD excused_VBN myself_PRP to_TO go_VB to_TO the_DT restroom_NN just_RB after_IN Barrie_NNP did_VBD this_DT whole_JJ thing_NN ._. 
In_IN fact_NN ,_, I_PRP may_MD have_VB been_VBN walking_VBG out_IN of_IN the_DT room_NN at_IN the_DT time_NN and_CC in_IN close_JJ proximity_NN to_TO her_PRP ._. 
And_CC so_RB at_IN the_DT time_NN when_WRB Max_NNP was_VBD speaking_VBG --_: I_PRP believe_VBP that_IN there_EX were_VBD people_NNS who_WP spoke_VBD in_IN between_IN she_PRP and_CC Max_NNP Pell_NNP ._. 
But_CC at_IN the_DT time_NN when_WRB he_PRP stood_VBD to_TO speak_VB ,_, I_PRP was_VBD in_IN the_DT restroom_NN and_CC sort_NN of_IN coming_VBG back_RB from_IN the_DT restroom_NN ,_, so_IN I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB really_RB recall_VB exactly_RB what_WP his_PRP$ comments_NNS were_VBD ._. 
I_PRP know_VBP him_PRP because_IN he_PRP was_VBD my_PRP$ husband_NN 's_POS student_NN ,_, though_RB ._. 
Do_VBP you_PRP recall_VBP any_DT other_JJ board_NN members_NNS saying_VBG anything_NN during_IN the_DT course_NN of_IN any_DT discussion_NN about_IN the_DT biology_NN textbook_NN ?_. 
Well_RB ,_, like_IN I_PRP said_VBD ,_, I_PRP was_VBD reentering_VBG the_DT room_NN from_IN the_DT bathroom_NN ,_, so_IN I_PRP was_VBD sort_NN of_IN in_IN the_DT doorway_NN ._. 
And_CC I_PRP obviously_RB did_VBD n't_RB know_VB what_WP Max_NNP had_VBD said_VBN to_TO the_DT board_NN but_CC that_IN he_PRP had_VBD spoken_VBN to_TO the_DT board_NN ._. 
So_IN the_DT comments_NNS that_WDT were_VBD coming_VBG back_RB were_VBD ,_, I_PRP assume_VBP ,_, directed_VBN at_IN him_PRP ._. 
But_CC there_EX were_VBD comments_NNS from_IN Bill_NNP Buckingham_NNP about_IN brainwashing_VBG ,_, and_CC I_PRP remember_VBP hearing_NN that_IN ,_, the_DT whole_JJ thing_NN about_IN brainwashing_VBG ,_, because_IN it_PRP dealt_VBD with_IN going_VBG to_TO college_NN and_CC getting_VBG this_DT education_NN and_CC students_NNS who_WP go_VBP to_TO college_NN become_VB brainwashed_JJ ._. 
And_CC I_PRP was_VBD very_RB upset_VBN by_IN that_DT because_IN I_PRP attended_VBD college_NN and_CC I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB feel_VB as_IN if_IN I_PRP were_VBD brainwashed_JJ ._. 
And_CC also_RB I_PRP recall_VBP Alan_NNP Bonsell_NNP making_VBG a_DT comment_NN about_RB ,_, you_PRP know_VBP ,_, there_EX are_VBP only_RB two_CD theories_NNS ,_, there_EX 's_VBZ this_DT theory_NN evolution_NN and_CC there_EX 's_VBZ this_DT theory_NN creation_NN ,_, and_CC if_IN you_PRP 're_VBP teaching_NN only_RB those_DT two_CD theories_NNS ,_, then_RB there_EX 's_VBZ not_RB a_DT problem_NN ._. 
Do_VBP you_PRP recall_VBP anything_NN else_RB Mr._NN Bonsell_NNP said_VBD ?_. 
At_IN this_DT time_NN ,_, no_UH ._. 
Do_VBP you_PRP remember_VBP anything_NN else_RB that_WDT was_VBD said_VBN by_IN any_DT members_NNS of_IN the_DT public_NN at_IN that_DT meeting_NN ?_. 
At_IN that_DT meeting_NN ._. 
Currently_RB ,_, I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB ._. 
I_PRP 'd_MD like_VB you_PRP to_TO take_VB a_DT look_NN at_IN what_WP 's_VBZ been_VBN marked_VBN as_IN Exhibit_NN P_NN 46_CD ._. 
It_PRP 's_VBZ in_IN the_DT notebook_NN in_IN front_NN of_IN you_PRP ._. 
Just_RB take_VB a_DT moment_NN to_TO look_VB at_IN it_PRP ._. 
Okay_UH ._. 
Do_VBP you_PRP have_VB that_IN in_IN front_NN of_IN you_PRP ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
Have_VBP you_PRP ever_RB seen_VBN it_PRP before_RP ?_. 
This_DT article_NN ,_, yes_UH ._. 
Did_VBD you_PRP see_VBP it_PRP at_IN or_CC around_IN the_DT date_NN that_IN it_PRP was_VBD published_VBN ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, I_PRP did_VBD ._. 
What_WP 's_VBZ the_DT date_NN on_IN it_PRP ?_. 
The_DT date_NN is_VBZ June_NNP 9th_CD ,_, 2004_CD ._. 
Who_WP is_VBZ the_DT author_NN ?_. 
The_DT author_NN is_VBZ Joseph_NNP Maldonado_NNP ._. 
And_CC can_MD you_PRP tell_VB us_PRP what_WP publication_NN its_PRP$ from_IN ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
It_PRP is_VBZ from_IN the_DT York_NNP Daily_NNP Record_NNP ._. 
Now_RB ,_, did_VBD you_PRP just_RB have_VBP an_DT opportunity_NN to_TO read_VB it_PRP just_RB a_DT moment_NN ago_RB ?_. 
Just_RB now_RB I_PRP skimmed_JJ it_PRP ,_, yes_UH ._. 
Take_VB another_DT moment_NN to_TO look_VB at_IN it_PRP if_IN you_PRP need_VBP to_TO ,_, but_CC I_PRP would_MD like_VB to_TO know_VB whether_IN it_PRP refreshes_NNS your_PRP$ recollection_NN about_IN anything_NN else_RB that_WDT happened_VBD at_IN that_DT meeting_NN ._. 
Yes_UH ._. 
Okay_UH ._. 
Tell_VB us_PRP what_WP else_RB --_: after_IN looking_VBG at_IN that_DT article_NN ,_, do_VBP you_PRP remember_VBP anything_NN else_RB that_WDT happened_VBD at_IN the_DT meeting_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, I_PRP do_VBP recall_VB Bill_NNP Buckingham_NNP making_VBG comments_NNS about_IN ,_, you_PRP know_VBP ,_, the_DT apes_NNS and_CC monkeys_NNS -_: coming_VBG from_IN apes_NNS and_CC monkeys_NNS ._. 
And_CC I_PRP also_RB --_: 
Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ,_, again_RB ,_, objection_NN ._. 
It_PRP appears_VBZ she_PRP 's_VBZ going_VBG to_TO be_VB reading_NN from_IN the_DT article_NN with_IN her_PRP$ testimony_NN ._. 
I_PRP 'm_VBP sorry_JJ ._. 
It_PRP 's_VBZ a_DT little_RB hard_JJ to_TO do_VB this_DT ,_, but_CC we_PRP 'll_MD sustain_VB the_DT objection_NN ._. 
Mr._NN Muise_NNP 's_POS objection_NN is_VBZ well-founded_JJ ._. 
Let_VB me_PRP explain_VB how_WRB we_PRP can_MD do_VB this_DT ,_, how_WRB we_PRP must_MD do_VB this_DT ._. 
When_WRB your_PRP$ counsel_NN asks_VBZ you_PRP the_DT question_NN ,_, you_PRP may_MD review_VB the_DT article_NN ,_, take_VBP a_DT look_NN at_IN it_PRP ,_, see_VB if_IN it_PRP refreshes_NNS your_PRP$ recollection_NN ._. 
It_PRP 's_VBZ important_JJ that_IN having_VBG refreshed_JJ your_PRP$ recollection_NN ,_, if_IN it_PRP jogs_VBZ something_NN or_CC re-creates_JJ a_DT memory_NN ,_, that_IN you_PRP testify_VBP in_IN answer_NN to_TO Mr._NN Harvey_NNP 's_POS question_NN ._. 
Do_VBP not_RB look_VB back_RB and_CC read_VB from_IN the_DT article_NN as_IN you_PRP 're_VBP testifying_VBG ,_, please_VB ._. 
All_DT right_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
Sorry_JJ ._. 
BY_NNP MR_NNP ._. HARVEY_NNP Now_RB ,_, do_VBP you_PRP remember_VBP anything_NN else_RB that_WDT happened_VBD at_IN that_DT meeting_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
I_PRP remember_VBP comments_NNS about_IN our_PRP$ country_NN being_VBG founded_VBN on_IN Christianity_NNP and_CC not_RB needing_VBG to_TO teach_VB the_DT faiths_NNS of_IN other_JJ people_NNS ._. 
And_CC I_PRP remember_VBP talking_VBG to_TO my_PRP$ husband_NN about_IN that_DT in_IN the_DT car_NN ride_NN home_NN ,_, as_IN well_RB ,_, because_IN we_PRP 're_VBP both_DT teachers_NNS and_CC I_PRP was_VBD --_: when_WRB I_PRP hear_VBP things_NNS like_IN that_DT ,_, I_PRP immediately_RB think_VBP of_IN my_PRP$ students_NNS ,_, and_CC I_PRP was_VBD thinking_VBG about_IN the_DT diverse_JJ group_NN of_IN students_NNS that_IN I_PRP have_VBP in_IN my_PRP$ classroom_NN ,_, who_WP all_DT have_VBP different_JJ religious_JJ viewpoints_NNS ,_, and_CC how_WRB difficult_JJ that_WDT would_MD be_VB to_TO tell_VB one_CD student_NN that_IN ,_, you_PRP know_VBP ,_, we_PRP ca_MD n't_RB express_VB your_PRP$ belief_NN ,_, but_CC we_PRP can_MD express_VB that_DT person_NN 's_POS belief_NN in_IN the_DT classroom_NN ._. 
And_CC I_PRP just_RB find_VBP those_DT things_NNS to_TO be_VB very_RB upsetting_VBG when_WRB I_PRP hear_VBP things_NNS like_IN that_DT being_VBG said_VBN ._. 
Now_RB ,_, do_VBP you_PRP remember_VBP if_IN you_PRP attended_VBD another_DT meeting_NN of_IN the_DT Dover_NNP Area_NNP School_NNP District_NNP Board_NNP of_IN Directors_NNS approximately_RB a_DT week_NN later_RB on_IN June_NNP the_DT 14th_JJ ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, I_PRP did_VBD ._. 
And_CC why_WRB did_VBD you_PRP attend_VBP that_DT meeting_NN ?_. 
Well_RB ,_, because_IN there_EX was_VBD n't_RB really_RB a_DT clear_JJ resolution_NN to_TO what_WP had_VBD occurred_VBN the_DT previous_JJ meeting_NN ._. 
In_IN addition_NN ,_, I_PRP was_VBD very_RB angry_JJ when_WRB I_PRP left_VBD the_DT June_NNP 7th_CD meeting_NN just_RB because_IN of_IN the_DT demeanor_NN of_IN the_DT school_NN board_NN and_CC the_DT things_NNS that_WDT were_VBD being_VBG said_VBN ._. 
And_CC ,_, honestly_RB ,_, I_PRP thought_VBD that_IN maybe_RB it_PRP would_MD set_VB me_PRP into_IN labor_NN because_IN of_IN ,_, you_PRP know_VBP ,_, being_VBG angry_JJ ,_, and_CC at_IN that_DT point_NN in_IN time_NN I_PRP was_VBD past_JJ my_PRP$ due_JJ date_NN ,_, in_IN addition_NN to_TO caring_VBG about_IN my_PRP$ children_NNS 's_POS education_NN and_CC everything_NN I_PRP said_VBD previously_RB ._. 
Now_RB ,_, tell_VB us_PRP what_WP you_PRP can_MD recall_NN of_IN the_DT June_NNP 14th_JJ ,_, board_NN meeting_NN ._. 
Again_RB ,_, there_EX were_VBD many_JJ ,_, many_JJ things_NNS that_WDT happened_VBD at_IN that_DT school_NN board_NN meeting_NN ,_, and_CC I_PRP can_MD tell_VB you_PRP that_IN I_PRP was_VBD very_RB much_RB interested_JJ in_IN what_WP was_VBD being_VBG said_VBN ._. 
And_CC so_IN I_PRP pretty_RB well_RB made_VBN sure_JJ ,_, at_IN the_DT beginning_NN of_IN that_DT meeting_NN ,_, which_WDT went_VBD on_IN for_IN quite_RB a_DT long_JJ time_NN ,_, that_IN I_PRP would_MD n't_RB miss_VB anything_NN ,_, so_IN I_PRP took_VBD care_NN of_IN my_PRP$ bathroom_NN needs_VBZ beforehand_RB ._. 
And_CC I_PRP recall_VBP the_DT meeting_NN starting_VBG with_IN Bill_NNP Buckingham_NNP sort_NN of_IN --_: I_PRP 'm_VBP sorry_JJ ,_, Trudy_NNP Peterman_NNP spoke_VBD about_IN her_PRP$ --_: actually_RB ,_, hold_VB on_IN ._. 
Give_VB me_PRP one_CD second_JJ to_TO think_VB about_IN this_DT ._. 
Yes_UH ,_, Trudy_NNP Peterman_NNP spoke_VBD ._. 
She_PRP was_VBD the_DT high_JJ school_NN principal_JJ at_IN the_DT time_NN ._. 
And_CC I_PRP know_VBP that_IN she_PRP spoke_VBD because_IN the_DT thing_NN that_IN she_PRP said_VBD seemed_VBN very_RB similar_JJ to_TO her_PRP$ graduation_NN speech_NN that_IN she_PRP had_VBD said_VBN just_RB previously_RB ._. 
My_PRP$ sister_NN had_VBD graduated_VBN that_DT year_NN ,_, and_CC I_PRP attended_VBD the_DT commencement_NN ceremony_NN ._. 
And_CC she_PRP had_VBD talked_VBN about_IN Visigoths_NNP and_CC things_NNS like_IN that_DT that_IN she_PRP had_VBD spoken_VBN about_IN in_IN her_PRP$ commencement_NN speech_NN ._. 
And_CC essentially_RB she_PRP was_VBD speaking_VBG up_RP for_IN the_DT teachers_NNS and_CC the_DT biology_NN textbook_NN ._. 
And_CC after_IN she_PRP had_VBD spoken_VBN ,_, Bertha_NNP Spahr_NNP also_RB spoke_VBD ,_, as_RB well_RB ._. 
She_PRP 's_VBZ the_DT department_NN chairperson_NN ,_, and_CC ,_, actually_RB ,_, I_PRP had_VBD her_PRP as_IN a_DT science_NN teacher_NN ._. 
And_CC she_PRP presented_VBD information_NN to_TO the_DT board_NN ,_, documents_NNS ,_, that_IN she_PRP and_CC I_PRP believe_VBP other_JJ members_NNS of_IN the_DT science_NN department_NN had_VBD researched_VBN on_IN ,_, I_PRP guess_VBP cases_NNS that_WDT had_VBD been_VBN set_VBN down_RB before_IN on_IN creationism_NN in_IN the_DT public_JJ school_NN system_NN or_CC something_NN of_IN that_DT nature_NN ,_, just_RB to_TO show_VB them_PRP that_IN ,_, you_PRP know_VBP ,_, if_IN they_PRP were_VBD still_RB considering_VBG this_DT idea_NN ,_, that_IN they_PRP might_MD ,_, I_PRP do_VB n't_RB know_VB ,_, be_VB met_VBN with_IN some_DT litigation_NN or_CC something_NN ._. 
After_IN she_PRP spoke_VBD ,_, Bill_NNP Buckingham_NNP had_VBD made_VBN a_DT comment_NN to_TO her_PRP about_IN her_PRP$ --_: where_WRB did_VBD she_PRP get_VBP her_PRP$ law_NN degree_NN from_IN ._. 
Can_MD you_PRP give_VB me_PRP one_CD second_JJ ?_. 
I_PRP 'm_VBP wondering_VBG if_IN I_PRP 'm_VBP getting_VBG my_PRP$ meetings_NNS mixed_VBN up_RB ._. 
Objection_NNP ,_, Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ._. 
This_DT is_VBZ running_VBG into_IN a_DT narrative_NN ._. 
Well_RB ,_, I_PRP think_VBP it_PRP 's_VBZ still_RB responsive_JJ to_TO the_DT question_NN ._. 
Do_VBP you_PRP want_VB to_TO put_VB a_DT question_NN on_IN the_DT floor_NN ?_. 
She_PRP was_VBD just_RB thinking_VBG ._. 
BY_NNP MR_NNP ._. HARVEY_NNP Did_VBD you_PRP need_VBP to_TO think_VB and_CC change_VB your_PRP$ testimony_NN in_IN any_DT way_NN ?_. 
I_PRP just_RB wanted_VBD to_TO make_VB sure_JJ that_IN I_PRP was_VBD n't_RB getting_VBG my_PRP$ meetings_NNS mixed_VBN up_RB ._. 
You_PRP can_MD finish_VB your_PRP$ answer_NN ._. 
Do_VBP you_PRP want_VB to_TO finish_VB the_DT answer_NN ,_, or_CC is_VBZ that_IN your_PRP$ answer_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, that_DT 's_VBZ my_PRP$ answer_NN ._. 
I_PRP 'm_VBP sorry_JJ ,_, I_PRP recall_VBP something_NN else_RB ,_, as_RB well_RB ._. 
I_PRP recall_VBP Charlotte_NNP Buckingham_NNP ,_, who_WP is_VBZ Bill_NNP Buckingham_NNP 's_POS wife_NN ,_, speaking_VBG at_IN that_DT meeting_NN ,_, as_RB well_RB ._. 
Essentially_RB there_EX were_VBD a_DT lot_NN of_IN people_NNS in_IN the_DT community_NN who_WP were_VBD standing_VBG and_CC speaking_VBG at_IN this_DT meeting_NN because_IN they_PRP wanted_VBD to_TO warn_VB the_DT school_NN board_NN that_IN they_PRP were_VBD not_RB in_IN favor_NN of_IN any_DT legal_JJ action_NN coming_VBG against_IN the_DT community_NN ,_, against_IN the_DT school_NN board_NN ._. 
They_PRP were_VBD afraid_JJ for_IN their_PRP$ tax_NN dollars_NNS ._. 
And_CC Charlotte_NNP Buckingham_NNP I_PRP recall_VBP really_RB being_VBG the_DT only_JJ person_NN who_WP got_VBD up_IN to_TO stand_VB in_IN defense_NN of_IN the_DT school_NN board_NN ,_, and_CC she_PRP was_VBD Mr._NN Buckingham_NNP 's_POS wife_NN ,_, or_CC is_VBZ Mr._NN Buckingham_NNP 's_POS wife_NN ._. 
And_CC she_PRP quoted_VBD Scripture_NNP ,_, Old_NNP Testament_NNP ,_, actually_RB ,_, all_DT Old_NNP Testament_NNP Scripture_NNP about_IN why_WRB the_DT school_NN board_NN is_VBZ right_NN ,_, basically_RB ._. 
And_CC she_PRP also_RB talked_VBD about_IN school_NN prayer_NN and_CC the_DT need_NN for_IN school_NN prayer_NN in_IN that_DT speech_NN that_IN she_PRP had_VBD prepared_VBN ._. 
In_IN addition_NN ,_, Reverend_NNP Warren_NNP Eshbach_NNP stood_VBD up_RB and_CC spoke_VBD at_IN that_DT meeting_NN ,_, as_IN well_RB ,_, sort_NN of_IN urging_VBG the_DT school_NN board_NN not_RB to_TO proceed_VB with_IN this_DT ._. 
And_CC many_JJ other_JJ members_NNS of_IN the_DT community_NN spoke_VBD ,_, as_RB well_RB ._. 
BY_NNP MR_NNP ._. HARVEY_NNP Did_VBD your_PRP$ husband_NN speak_VB ?_. 
I_PRP recall_VBP my_PRP$ husband_NN speaking_NN ._. 
In_IN fact_NN ,_, he_PRP had_VBD n't_RB prepared_VBN to_TO speak_VB ,_, but_CC he_PRP was_VBD very_RB upset_VBN ,_, as_IN many_JJ people_NNS in_IN the_DT audience_NN were_VBD ,_, and_CC he_PRP stood_VBD up_IN to_TO speak_VB ._. 
I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB remember_VB his_PRP$ exact_JJ comments_NNS ,_, but_CC ,_, again_RB ,_, it_PRP was_VBD a_DT warning_NN to_TO the_DT school_NN board_NN and_CC -_: actually_RB ,_, not_RB necessarily_RB a_DT warning_NN ,_, but_CC just_RB sort_VB of_IN reiterating_VBG what_WP science_NN teachers_NNS do_VBP in_IN their_PRP$ science_NN classes_NNS and_CC how_WRB there_EX is_VBZ really_RB no_DT conflict_NN here_RB with_IN the_DT textbook_NN ._. 
Objection_NNP ,_, Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ._. 
It_PRP 's_VBZ a_DT narrative_NN ._. 
The_DT question_NN was_VBD ,_, did_VBD your_PRP$ husband_NN speak_VB ._. 
Yes_UH ,_, he_PRP spoke_VBD ._. 
My_PRP$ next_JJ question_NN was_VBD going_VBG to_TO be_VB simply_RB if_IN you_PRP could_MD tell_VB us_PRP what_WP --_: but_CC I_PRP think_VBP she_PRP 's_VBZ already_RB told_VBD us_PRP what_WP she_PRP can_MD recall_VB her_PRP$ husband_NN said_VBD ._. 
Well_RB ,_, that_WDT answered_VBD the_DT next_JJ question_NN ._. 
That_DT moots_NNS the_DT objection_NN ,_, and_CC you_PRP can_MD move_VB to_TO the_DT next_JJ question_NN ._. 
BY_NNP MR_NNP ._. HARVEY_NNP Do_VBP you_PRP remember_VBP Bill_NNP Buckingham_NNP speaking_VBG at_IN this_DT meeting_NN ?_. 
Oh_UH ,_, yes_UH ._. 
There_EX were_VBD not_RB many_JJ meetings_NNS where_WRB Bill_NNP Buckingham_NNP did_VBD not_RB speak_VB ._. 
And_CC ,_, actually_RB ,_, at_IN that_DT meeting_NN --_: I_PRP believe_VBP the_DT beginning_NN of_IN the_DT meeting_NN was_VBD an_DT apology_NN ,_, actually_RB ,_, which_WDT he_PRP had_VBD prepared_VBN in_IN advance_NN apologizing_VBG to_TO the_DT members_NNS of_IN the_DT community_NN if_IN he_PRP had_VBD said_VBN anything_NN that_IN offended_JJ them_PRP ._. 
And_CC it_PRP seemed_VBD to_TO me_PRP sort_NN of_IN an_DT inappropriate_JJ apology_NN because_IN --_: or_CC maybe_RB "_'' inappropriate_JJ "_'' is_VBZ not_RB the_DT correct_JJ word_NN ,_, but_CC not_RB a_DT sincere_JJ apology_NN because_IN almost_RB immediately_RB after_IN he_PRP had_VBD given_VBN his_PRP$ apology_NN ,_, he_PRP started_VBD doing_VBG the_DT same_JJ things_NNS that_IN he_PRP had_VBD always_RB done_VBN ,_, which_WDT was_VBD to_TO demean_NN the_DT public_NN ,_, to_TO say_VB negative_JJ comments_NNS ._. 
Do_VBP you_PRP remember_VBP specifically_RB anything_NN he_PRP said_VBD ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
He_PRP made_VBD comments_NNS like_IN ,_, years_NNS ago_RB someone_NN died_VBD on_IN the_DT Cross_NNP ,_, ca_MD n't_RB we_PRP take_VB a_DT stand_NN for_IN Him_PRP ._. 
He_PRP made_VBD comments_NNS about_IN the_DT liberals_NNS in_IN black_JJ robes_NNS coming_VBG and_CC taking_VBG away_RB our_PRP$ freedoms_NNS in_IN the_DT school_NN ._. 
He_PRP made_VBD many_JJ ,_, many_JJ comments_NNS at_IN that_DT meeting_NN ._. 
Now_RB ,_, did_VBD you_PRP attend_VBP any_DT other_JJ meetings_NNS of_IN the_DT Dover_NNP Area_NNP School_NNP District_NNP Board_NNP of_IN Directors_NNS that_WDT summer_NN ?_. 
No_DT ,_, we_PRP did_VBD n't_RB attend_VB that_DT summer_NN ._. 
And_CC did_VBD you_PRP attend_VBP any_DT meetings_NNS that_WDT fall_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
Did_VBD you_PRP attend_VBP the_DT meeting_NN on_IN or_CC about_IN October_NNP the_DT 18th_JJ of_IN 2004_CD ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, we_PRP did_VBD ._. 
And_CC can_MD you_PRP just_RB tell_VBP us_PRP briefly_NN what_WP you_PRP can_MD recall_VB about_IN that_DT meeting_NN ?_. 
Well_RB ,_, there_EX was_VBD --_: at_IN this_DT point_NN in_IN time_NN it_PRP was_VBD the_DT change_NN in_IN the_DT curriculum_NN that_WDT was_VBD being_VBG proposed_VBN and_CC voted_VBN on_IN that_DT evening_NN ._. 
And_CC ,_, again_RB ,_, this_DT was_VBD a_DT heated_JJ meeting_NN ._. 
There_EX were_VBD many_JJ members_NNS of_IN the_DT community_NN who_WP stood_VBD to_TO speak_VB ,_, science_NN department_NN members_NNS ._. 
Jen_NNP Miller_NNP spoke_VBD ,_, although_IN I_PRP did_VBD n't_RB really_RB know_VB who_WP she_PRP was_VBD at_IN the_DT time_NN ._. 
I_PRP recall_VBP her_PRP$ speaking_VBG on_IN behalf_NN of_IN her_PRP$ biology_NN course_NN ._. 
I_PRP recall_VBP Bertha_NNP Spahr_NNP again_RB speaking_VBG ._. 
My_PRP$ husband_NN again_RB spoke_VBD at_IN this_DT meeting_NN ._. 
And_CC ,_, again_RB ,_, other_JJ members_NNS of_IN the_DT community_NN spoke_VBD at_IN that_DT meeting_NN ._. 
Did_VBD you_PRP and_CC your_PRP$ husband_NN stay_NN for_IN the_DT whole_JJ meeting_NN ?_. 
No_DT ,_, we_PRP did_VBD n't_RB ._. 
Now_RB ,_, during_IN the_DT time_NN that_IN you_PRP were_VBD at_IN the_DT meeting_NN ,_, did_VBD you_PRP hear_VBP any_DT discussion_NN among_IN the_DT board_NN members_NNS about_IN the_DT reasons_NNS for_IN the_DT proposed_JJ change_NN to_TO the_DT biology_NN curriculum_NN ?_. 
During_IN the_DT board_NN meeting_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
No._NN 
Did_VBD you_PRP attend_VBP a_DT meeting_VBG the_DT following_VBG week_NN ,_, on_IN or_CC about_IN November_NNP the_DT 2nd_CD ,_, 2004_CD ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
And_CC can_MD you_PRP remember_VB anything_NN from_IN that_DT meeting_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
I_PRP recall_VBP Noel_NNP Weinrich_NNP who_WP had_VBD spoken_VBN at_IN other_JJ meetings_NNS ,_, as_IN well_RB ,_, was_VBD upset_VBN about_IN the_DT vote_NN that_IN they_PRP had_VBD taken_VBN and_CC was_VBD sort_NN of_IN urging_VBG them_PRP to_TO rethink_VB the_DT vote_NN ._. 
Do_VBP you_PRP remember_VBP anyone_NN requesting_VBG access_NN to_TO --_: 
Oh_UH ,_, yes_UH ._. 
--_: a_DT tape_NN of_IN the_DT October_NNP 18th_JJ meeting_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
Because_IN my_PRP$ husband_NN and_CC I_PRP had_VBD left_VBN early_JJ --_: we_PRP had_VBD our_PRP$ infant_NN with_IN us_PRP and_CC he_PRP needed_VBD to_TO get_VB home_NN --_: we_PRP had_VBD heard_VBN that_IN there_EX were_VBD comments_NNS that_WDT were_VBD said_VBN after_IN we_PRP left_VBN about_IN teachers_NNS should_MD be_VB fired_VBN if_IN they_PRP do_VBP n't_RB listen_VB to_TO the_DT school_NN board_NN 's_POS directive_NN ._. 
And_CC we_PRP wanted_VBD to_TO hear_VB that_IN for_IN ourselves_PRP ,_, so_RB my_PRP$ husband_NN had_VBD previously_RB requested_VBN the_DT tapes_NNS and_CC then_RB at_IN that_DT meeting_NN he_PRP stood_VBD again_RB to_TO request_VB the_DT tapes_NNS ._. 
In_IN addition_NN ,_, Barrie_NNP Callahan_NNP had_VBD stood_VBN to_TO request_VB the_DT tapes_NNS at_IN that_DT meeting_NN ,_, as_RB well_RB ._. 
And_CC do_VBP you_PRP remember_VBP if_IN any_DT members_NNS of_IN the_DT school_NN board_NN spoke_VBD in_IN response_NN to_TO either_CC your_PRP$ husband_NN or_CC Barrie_NNP Callahan_NNP with_IN respect_NN to_TO the_DT subject_NN of_IN the_DT tapes_NNS ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
Barrie_NNP --_: I_PRP 'm_VBP sorry_JJ ,_, Alan_NNP Bonsell_NNP said_VBD very_RB clearly_RB that_IN --_: Dr._NN Nilsen_NNP had_VBD said_VBN something_NN ,_, as_IN well_RB ,_, about_IN the_DT tapes_NNS ,_, that_IN it_PRP 's_VBZ not_RB policy_NN or_CC something_NN like_IN that_DT ,_, that_IN this_DT is_VBZ not_RB past_JJ practice_NN ,_, this_DT is_VBZ not_RB policy_NN ,_, this_DT is_VBZ not_RB standard_JJ policy_NN to_TO release_VB tapes_NNS to_TO the_DT public_NN ._. 
And_CC additionally_RB ,_, Alan_NNP Bonsell_NNP made_VBD the_DT comment_NN that_IN they_PRP could_MD n't_RB release_VB the_DT tapes_NNS because_IN after_IN speaking_VBG with_IN their_PRP$ solicitor_NN ,_, there_EX would_MD possibly_RB be_VB legal_JJ issues_NNS ,_, ramifications_NNS if_IN they_PRP released_VBD the_DT tapes_NNS ._. 
Now_RB ,_, I_PRP 'd_MD like_VB to_TO just_RB ask_VB you_PRP just_RB a_DT couple_NN more_JJR questions_NNS ._. 
Mrs._NN Rehm_NNP ,_, do_VBP you_PRP believe_VBP that_IN the_DT board_NN 's_POS actions_NNS with_IN respect_NN to_TO the_DT change_NN to_TO the_DT biology_NN curriculum_NN have_VBP caused_VBN any_DT harm_NN to_TO you_PRP ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, absolutely_RB ._. 
And_CC can_MD you_PRP please_VB tell_VB us_PRP how_WRB you_PRP have_VBP been_VBN harmed_VBN ?_. 
Well_RB ,_, in_IN numerous_JJ ways_NNS ._. 
First_LS ,_, as_IN a_DT teacher_NN ,_, professionally_RB ,_, I_PRP feel_VBP that_IN teachers_NNS in_IN general_JJ are_VBP harmed_VBN ,_, myself_PRP ,_, as_IN well_RB ,_, because_IN there_EX 's_VBZ a_DT dichotomy_NN here_RB in_IN what_WP they_PRP 're_VBP saying_VBG about_IN this_DT statement_NN that_IN they_PRP have_VBP passed_VBN on_IN intelligent_JJ design_NN as_IN they_PRP 're_VBP not_RB teaching_NN it_PRP ._. 
On_IN the_DT other_JJ hand_NN ,_, they_PRP 've_VBP said_VBN that_IN it_PRP enhances_VBZ state_NN standards_NNS and_CC critical_JJ thinking_NN ._. 
In_IN my_PRP$ mind_NN ,_, everything_NN that_IN you_PRP do_VBP in_IN a_DT classroom_NN is_VBZ teaching_VBG ._. 
And_CC I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB necessarily_RB think_VB that_DT 's_VBZ just_RB in_IN my_PRP$ mind_NN ._. 
I_PRP believe_VBP that_DT 's_VBZ true_JJ of_IN all_DT educators_NNS ._. 
The_DT way_NN I_PRP dress_VBP when_WRB I_PRP go_VBP to_TO work_VB tells_VBZ my_PRP$ students_NNS something_NN ._. 
The_DT statements_NNS I_PRP make_VBP or_CC the_DT statements_NNS that_IN I_PRP do_VBP not_RB make_VB in_IN my_PRP$ classroom_NN tell_VB my_PRP$ students_NNS something_NN ._. 
So_IN I_PRP think_VBP we_PRP 're_VBP charged_VBN with_IN ,_, you_PRP know_VBP ,_, having_VBG an_DT ethical_JJ decision_NN to_TO make_VB when_WRB we_PRP walk_VBP into_IN the_DT classroom_NN ,_, the_DT things_NNS that_IN we_PRP say_VBP and_CC the_DT things_NNS that_IN we_PRP do_VBP ,_, and_CC so_IN I_PRP think_VBP that_DT 's_VBZ very_RB important_JJ ._. 
But_CC you_PRP ca_MD n't_RB say_VB when_WRB you_PRP walk_VBP into_IN a_DT classroom_NN ,_, you_PRP 're_VBP not_RB teaching_NN ._. 
And_CC if_IN that_DT 's_VBZ what_WP 's_VBZ happening_VBG in_IN the_DT Dover_NNP school_NN system_NN and_CC my_PRP$ children_NNS are_VBP in_IN that_DT school_NN system_NN ,_, that_IN they_PRP 're_VBP routinely_RB establishing_VBG practices_NNS that_WDT is_VBZ not_RB teaching_VBG in_IN the_DT classroom_NN ,_, then_RB that_DT 's_VBZ shameful_JJ ._. 
In_IN addition_NN ,_, I_PRP have_VBP a_DT child_NN who_WP is_VBZ in_IN the_DT ninth-grade_JJ biology_NN class_NN ,_, and_CC this_DT has_VBZ spilled_VBN over_IN into_IN other_JJ classes_NNS ._. 
It_PRP 's_VBZ not_RB just_RB the_DT biology_NN class_NN that_WDT has_VBZ been_VBN affected_VBN by_IN this_DT ._. 
My_PRP$ child_NN has_VBZ heard_VBN comments_NNS from_IN other_JJ students_NNS ,_, school_NN board_NN member_NN students_NNS in_IN her_PRP$ classroom_NN about_IN evolution_NN being_VBG against_IN their_PRP$ religion_NN ,_, and_CC do_VBP you_PRP think_VBP we_PRP came_VBD from_IN monkeys_NNS ,_, how_WRB can_MD you_PRP think_VB we_PRP came_VBD from_IN monkeys_NNS ._. 
It_PRP used_VBD to_TO be_VB a_DT weekly_JJ occurrence_NN ._. 
It_PRP 's_VBZ now_RB a_DT daily_JJ occurrence_NN ,_, and_CC my_PRP$ daughter_NN comes_VBZ home_NN from_IN school_NN upset_VBN about_IN these_DT comments_NNS that_WDT are_VBP being_VBG made_VBN to_TO her_PRP$ and_CC ,_, you_PRP know_VBP ,_, is_VBZ looking_VBG for_IN guidance_NN on_IN how_WRB to_TO respond_VB to_TO these_DT questions_NNS ._. 
Also_RB ,_, intelligent_JJ design_NN is_VBZ not_RB a_DT scientific_JJ concept_NN ._. 
It_PRP 's_VBZ a_DT religious_JJ concept_NN ._. 
And_CC because_IN I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB subscribe_VB to_TO that_DT particular_JJ brand_NN of_IN religion_NN ,_, I_PRP feel_VBP that_IN I_PRP and_CC my_PRP$ daughter_NN ,_, my_PRP$ family_NN ,_, are_VBP being_VBG ridiculed_VBN ,_, and_CC my_PRP$ daughter_NN feels_VBZ the_DT pressure_NN ._. 
I_PRP reserve_VBP the_DT right_NN to_TO teach_VB my_PRP$ child_NN about_IN religion_NN ._. 
And_CC I_PRP have_VBP faith_NN in_IN myself_PRP and_CC in_IN my_PRP$ husband_NN and_CC in_IN my_PRP$ pastor_NN to_TO do_VB that_DT ,_, not_RB the_DT school_NN system_NN ._. 
Thank_VB you_PRP ._. 
No_DT further_JJ questions_NNS ._. 
All_DT right_JJ ._. 
Before_IN we_PRP start_VBP the_DT cross-examination_JJ ,_, I_PRP think_VBP this_DT will_MD be_VB an_DT appropriate_JJ time_NN for_IN our_PRP$ afternoon_NN break_NN ._. 
We_PRP 'll_MD take_VB that_WDT break_VB for_IN approximately_RB 20_CD minutes_NNS ,_, no_RB longer_RB than_IN that_DT ,_, and_CC we_PRP will_MD return_VB with_IN Mr._NN Muise_NNP 's_POS cross-examination_JJ of_IN the_DT witness_NN ._. 
We_PRP 'll_MD be_VB in_IN recess_NN ._. 
(_( Recess_NN taken_VBN ._. 
)_) Mr._NN Muise_NNP ,_, you_PRP may_MD cross-examine_JJ ._. 
Thank_VB you_PRP ,_, Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ._. 
CROSS-EXAMINATION_NNP BY_NNP MR_NNP ._. MUISE_NNP Good_JJ afternoon_NN ,_, Ms._NN Rehm_NNP ._. 
Your_PRP$ oldest_JJS child_NN is_VBZ 14_CD years_NNS old_JJ ._. 
Is_VBZ that_DT correct_JJ ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
And_CC your_PRP$ child_NN 's_POS name_NN is_VBZ Alix_NNP ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
And_CC Alix_NNP is_VBZ presently_RB in_IN the_DT ninth-grade_JJ biology_NN class_NN at_IN Dover_NNP High_NNP School_NNP ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, she_PRP is_VBZ ._. 
And_CC my_PRP$ understanding_NN from_IN your_PRP$ husband_NN 's_POS testimony_NN yesterday_NN is_VBZ that_IN she_PRP has_VBZ n't_RB yet_RB reached_VBD the_DT section_NN in_IN biology_NN that_IN deals_NNS with_IN evolution_NN ._. 
Is_VBZ that_DT correct_JJ ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
After_IN looking_VBG at_IN her_PRP$ syllabus_JJ ,_, it_PRP appears_VBZ that_DT evolution_NN comes_VBZ later_RB in_IN the_DT course_NN ._. 
I_PRP would_MD n't_RB say_VB at_IN the_DT end_NN ,_, but_CC closer_JJR to_TO the_DT end_NN of_IN the_DT course_NN ._. 
And_CC so_IN she_PRP has_VBZ n't_RB heard_VBN this_DT one-minute_JJ statement_NN be_VB read_VBN in_IN the_DT class_NN yet_RB ?_. 
She_PRP has_VBZ not_RB ,_, no_UH ._. 
Now_RB ,_, you_PRP testified_VBD about_IN two_CD --_: or_CC several_JJ meetings_NNS ,_, but_CC two_CD meetings_NNS in_IN particular_JJ I_PRP want_VBP to_TO ask_VB you_PRP some_DT questions_NNS about_IN ._. 
And_CC those_DT are_VBP the_DT meetings_NNS that_WDT occurred_VBD on_IN June_NNP 7th_CD of_IN 2004_CD and_CC then_RB the_DT meeting_NN on_IN June_NNP 14th_JJ of_IN 2004_CD ._. 
Okay_UH ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
I_PRP believe_VBP you_PRP described_VBD these_DT meetings_NNS as_IN involving_VBG some_DT heated_JJ exchanges_NNS between_IN some_DT board_NN members_NNS and_CC the_DT public_NN ._. 
Is_VBZ that_DT correct_JJ ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
And_CC it_PRP 's_VBZ my_PRP$ sense_NN from_IN your_PRP$ testimony_NN that_IN the_DT majority_NN of_IN the_DT statements_NNS that_IN you_PRP appear_VBP to_TO find_VB objectionable_JJ were_JJ statements_NNS made_VBN by_IN Mr._NN Buckingham_NNP ?_. 
No._NN 
There_EX were_VBD statements_NNS made_VBN by_IN many_JJ of_IN the_DT school_NN board_NN members_NNS that_IN I_PRP found_VBD objectionable_JJ ._. 
It_PRP 's_VBZ just_RB that_IN Mr._NN Buckingham_NNP always_RB seemed_VBD to_TO say_VB very_RB inappropriate_JJ things_NNS ._. 
But_CC in_IN addition_NN ,_, Alan_NNP Bonsell_NNP said_VBD very_RB inappropriate_JJ things_NNS ,_, and_CC Noel_NNP Weinrich_NNP said_VBD very_RB inappropriate_JJ things_NNS ._. 
It_PRP 's_VBZ just_RB that_IN I_PRP did_VBD n't_RB give_VB much_JJ credit_NN to_TO Noel_NNP Weinrich_NNP 's_POS comments_NNS because_IN he_PRP would_MD say_VB things_NNS like_IN ,_, Darwin_NNP 's_POS at_IN least_JJS what_WP ,_, 60_CD years_NNS old_JJ ,_, a_DT theory_NN becomes_VBZ a_DT theory_NN if_IN you_PRP say_VBP it_PRP over_RB and_CC over_IN again_RB ._. 
Those_DT are_VBP the_DT kind_NN of_IN things_NNS he_PRP would_MD say_VB ._. 
But_CC they_PRP were_VBD all_DT very_RB outspoken_JJ ._. 
Now_RB ,_, the_DT controversy_NN on_IN the_DT June_NNP 7th_CD and_CC June_NNP 14th_JJ meeting_NN was_VBD surrounding_VBG the_DT selection_NN of_IN a_DT biology_NN textbook_NN ._. 
Correct_NNP ?_. 
June_NNP 7th_CD and_CC June_NNP 14th_JJ ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
Yes_UH ._. 
And_CC the_DT biology_NN textbook_NN that_WDT was_VBD in_IN question_NN at_IN the_DT time_NN ,_, I_PRP believe_VBP it_PRP was_VBD the_DT version_NN of_IN the_DT Miller-_NNP Levine_NNP biology_NN book_NN ._. 
Is_VBZ that_IN your_PRP$ understanding_NN ?_. 
It_PRP very_RB well_RB could_MD be_VB ._. 
I_PRP 'm_VBP not_RB sure_JJ what_WP the_DT edition_NN in_IN debate_NN was_VBD ._. 
But_CC the_DT statements_NNS that_IN you_PRP testified_VBD to_TO and_CC the_DT controversy_NN that_IN you_PRP were_VBD describing_VBG was_VBD surrounding_VBG the_DT purchase_NN or_CC selection_NN of_IN that_DT particular_JJ biology_NN book_NN for_IN the_DT school_NN district_NN ._. 
Correct_NNP ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, it_PRP was_VBD definitely_RB the_DT Miller-_NNP Levine_NNP textbook_NN ._. 
I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB know_VB what_WP the_DT edition_NN was_VBD or_CC the_DT copyright_NN date_NN or_CC any_DT of_IN that_DT information_NN ,_, but_CC I_PRP do_VBP know_VB that_IN it_PRP was_VBD that_DT biology_NN textbook_NN that_WDT was_VBD being_VBG debated_VBN very_RB rigorously_RB ._. 
And_CC ,_, in_IN fact_NN ,_, the_DT school_NN district_NN purchased_VBD the_DT Miller-_NNP Levine_NNP biology_NN book_NN to_TO be_VB used_VBN as_IN the_DT primary_JJ text_NN for_IN the_DT ninth-grade_JJ biology_NN class_NN ._. 
Correct_NNP ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
And_CC that_DT would_MD be_VB the_DT textbook_NN that_IN your_PRP$ daughter_NN Alix_NNP will_MD be_VB using_VBG ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, with_IN the_DT dragonfly_RB on_IN it_PRP ._. 
She_PRP already_RB has_VBZ the_DT book_NN ?_. 
She_PRP has_VBZ the_DT book_NN ,_, yes_UH ._. 
Have_VBP you_PRP looked_VBD through_IN it_PRP ?_. 
Have_VBP I_PRP looked_VBD through_IN the_DT book_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, I_PRP have_VBP looked_VBN through_IN the_DT book_NN ._. 
Do_VBP you_PRP have_VB any_DT objections_NNS with_IN the_DT book_NN ?_. 
No_DT ,_, I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB ._. 
She_PRP was_VBD n't_RB given_VBN a_DT copy_NN of_IN Pandas_NNP and_CC People_NNS ,_, was_VBD she_PRP ?_. 
No_DT ,_, she_PRP was_VBD not_RB ._. 
So_IN the_DT only_RB required_VBN textbook_NN for_IN that_DT class_NN was_VBD that_DT biology_NN book_NN that_WDT was_VBD creating_VBG all_PDT the_DT controversy_NN on_IN June_NNP 7th_CD and_CC June_NNP 14th_JJ ._. 
Is_VBZ that_DT correct_JJ ?_. 
To_TO my_PRP$ knowledge_NN ,_, the_DT only_RB required_VBN book_NN is_VBZ that_DT book_NN ,_, in_IN addition_NN to_TO supplemental_JJ materials_NNS that_IN the_DT instructor_NN has_VBZ ._. 
Now_RB ,_, you_PRP made_VBD a_DT comment_NN in_IN your_PRP$ direct_JJ testimony_NN that_IN intelligent_JJ design_NN conflicts_NNS with_IN your_PRP$ brand_NN of_IN religion_NN ._. 
Yes_UH ._. 
Is_VBZ intelligent_JJ design_NN another_DT brand_NN of_IN religion_NN ?_. 
No._NN 
What_WP I_PRP 'm_VBP saying_VBG is_VBZ that_IN I_PRP believe_VBP intelligent_JJ design_NN ,_, as_RB well_RB as_IN the_DT ideas_NNS of_IN creationism_NN ,_, in_IN particular_JJ ,_, the_DT Young_NNP Earth_NNP creationists_NNS ,_, which_WDT ,_, I_PRP 'm_VBP sorry_JJ ,_, I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB agree_VB with_IN ._. 
do_VBP n't_RB agree_VB with_IN the_DT age_NN of_IN ,_, you_PRP know_VBP ,_, the_DT earth_NN and_CC their_PRP$ opinion_NN ._. 
There_EX are_VBP things_NNS that_IN I_PRP do_VBP not_RB believe_VB ._. 
And_CC I_PRP do_VBP not_RB believe_VB the_DT same_JJ things_NNS as_IN the_DT board_NN members_NNS who_WP adopted_VBD that_DT statement_NN ._. 
And_CC so_RB your_PRP$ understanding_NN is_VBZ intelligent_JJ design_NN is_VBZ the_DT same_JJ as_IN Young_NNP Earth_NNP creationism_NN ?_. 
Well_RB ,_, to_TO my_PRP$ understanding_NN ,_, intelligent_JJ design_NN just_RB presupposes_NNS that_WDT everything_NN in_IN life_NN is_VBZ too_RB complex_JJ ,_, that_IN it_PRP has_VBZ to_TO be_VB designed_VBN ._. 
But_CC I_PRP also_RB know_VBP that_DT creationism_NN was_VBD used_VBN repeatedly_RB with_IN the_DT term_NN -_: or_CC ,_, I_PRP 'm_VBP sorry_JJ ,_, not_RB with_IN the_DT term_NN "_'' intelligent_JJ design_NN ._. "_'' 
Intelligent_NNP design_NN came_VBD up_RB after_IN the_DT fact_NN ._. 
But_CC I_PRP do_VBP know_VB that_RB ,_, in_IN its_PRP$ original_JJ context_NN ,_, it_PRP was_VBD creationism_NN that_WDT was_VBD being_VBG used_VBN ._. 
And_CC when_WRB I_PRP think_VBP of_IN creationists_NNS ,_, again_RB ,_, I_PRP think_VBP of_IN Young_NNP Earth_NNP creationists_NNS ,_, and_CC I_PRP do_VBP not_RB subscribe_VB to_TO that_DT way_NN of_IN thinking_VBG ._. 
And_CC so_RB ,_, again_RB ,_, you_PRP 're_VBP associating_VBG Young_NNP Earth_NNP creationism_NN with_IN intelligent_JJ design_NN ?_. 
There_EX is_VBZ a_DT connection_NN in_IN my_PRP$ mind_NN ,_, yes_UH ._. 
If_IN you_PRP could_MD be_VB shown_VBN that_IN intelligent_JJ design_NN does_VBZ not_RB require_VB the_DT action_NN of_IN a_DT supernatural_NN creator_NN and_CC ,_, in_IN fact_NN ,_, is_VBZ based_VBN on_IN observable_JJ and_CC empirical_JJ facts_NNS ,_, would_MD you_PRP change_VBP your_PRP$ opinion_NN ?_. 
I_PRP believe_VBP that_IN if_IN intelligent_JJ design_NN could_MD be_VB proved_VBN to_TO be_VB scientific_JJ ,_, then_RB I_PRP would_MD believe_VB it_PRP would_MD belong_VB in_IN a_DT science_NN classroom_NN ._. 
Would_MD I_PRP believe_VB it_PRP ?_. 
I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB know_VB that_IN scientifically_RB I_PRP 'm_VBP qualified_VBN to_TO say_VB ,_, you_PRP know_VBP ,_, that_IN I_PRP believe_VBP many_JJ scientific_JJ concepts_NNS because_IN I_PRP 'm_VBP --_: I_PRP 'm_VBP not_RB a_DT scientist_NN ._. 
But_CC I_PRP suppose_VBP that_IN if_IN intelligent_JJ design_NN could_MD follow_VB scientific_JJ methods_NNS ,_, then_RB --_: and_CC it_PRP were_VBD proven_VBN to_TO be_VB scientific_JJ by_IN scientists_NNS ,_, it_PRP was_VBD accepted_VBN by_IN scientific_JJ communities_NNS ,_, then_RB I_PRP would_MD have_VB no_DT reason_NN not_RB to_TO accept_VB that_DT ._. 
I_PRP want_VBP to_TO explore_VB your_PRP$ understanding_NN of_IN what_WP has_VBZ actually_RB taken_VBN place_NN in_IN this_DT ninth-grade_JJ biology_NN class_NN that_IN your_PRP$ daughter_NN Alix_NNP is_VBZ presently_RB taking_VBG ._. 
Is_VBZ it_PRP your_PRP$ understanding_NN that_IN Darwin_NNP 's_POS theory_NN of_IN evolution_NN will_MD be_VB taught_VBN in_IN this_DT class_NN pursuant_JJ to_TO the_DT Pennsylvania_NNP academic_JJ standards_NNS ?_. 
I_PRP would_MD hope_VB so_RB ._. 
And_CC as_RB far_RB as_IN I_PRP know_VBP ,_, that_WDT is_VBZ the_DT case_NN ,_, because_IN Dover_NNP says_VBZ that_IN it_PRP is_VBZ a_DT standards-based_JJ school_NN ,_, and_CC so_IN I_PRP assume_VBP that_IN when_WRB they_PRP say_VBP that_IN and_CC they_PRP say_VBP that_IN students_NNS have_VBP to_TO pass_VB certain_JJ material_NN before_IN they_PRP can_MD be_VB advanced_VBN into_IN new_JJ material_NN ,_, that_IN they_PRP would_MD have_VB to_TO be_VB abiding_VBG by_IN the_DT state_NN standards_NNS ._. 
And_CC I_PRP take_VBP it_PRP from_IN your_PRP$ answer_NN you_PRP have_VBP no_DT objection_NN to_TO that_DT ?_. 
To_TO following_VBG state_NN standards_NNS ,_, no_DT ,_, I_PRP have_VBP no_DT objection_NN ._. 
And_CC so_IN it_PRP 's_VBZ your_PRP$ understanding_NN that_IN the_DT Pennsylvania_NNP state_NN standards_NNS require_VBP students_NNS to_TO learn_VB about_IN Darwin_NNP 's_POS theory_NN of_IN evolution_NN and_CC eventually_RB take_VB a_DT standardized_JJ test_NN of_IN which_WDT that_DT theory_NN is_VBZ a_DT part_NN of_IN it_PRP ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, the_DT PSSA_NNP test_NN ,_, yes_UH ._. 
And_CC you_PRP have_VBP no_DT objection_NN to_TO that_DT ?_. 
To_TO my_PRP$ students_NNS taking_VBG a_DT PSSA_NNP test_NN ,_, well_RB ,_, you_PRP know_VBP ,_, I_PRP --_: being_VBG an_DT educator_NN ,_, I_PRP 'm_VBP not_RB in_IN love_NN with_IN PSSA_NNP tests_NNS or_CC standardized_JJ tests_NNS ._. 
But_CC if_IN you_PRP 're_VBP asking_VBG me_PRP if_IN I_PRP object_VBP to_TO my_PRP$ daughter_NN taking_VBG a_DT standardized_JJ test_NN with_IN that_DT information_NN on_IN it_PRP ,_, of_IN course_NN not_RB ._. 
I_PRP would_MD hope_VB that_IN they_PRP would_MD provide_VB lots_NNS of_IN academic_JJ information_NN on_IN those_DT tests_NNS ._. 
And_CC is_VBZ it_PRP your_PRP$ understanding_NN that_IN because_IN Dover_NNP is_VBZ a_DT standards-driven_JJ district_NN ,_, that_IN they_PRP 're_VBP going_VBG to_TO focus_VB their_PRP$ class_NN time_NN on_IN preparing_VBG students_NNS to_TO achieve_VB proficiency_NN on_IN those_DT standard-based_JJ assessments_NNS ?_. 
I_PRP 'm_VBP sorry_JJ ,_, can_MD you_PRP repeat_VB that_DT ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
Is_VBZ it_PRP your_PRP$ understanding_NN that_IN because_IN Dover_NNP is_VBZ a_DT standard-based_JJ district_NN ,_, the_DT class_NN instruction_NN is_VBZ going_VBG to_TO focus_VB on_IN preparing_VBG students_NNS to_TO achieve_VB proficiency_NN on_IN those_DT standard-based_JJ tests_NNS that_IN we_PRP were_VBD just_RB describing_VBG ?_. 
Not_RB only_RB is_VBZ that_IN my_PRP$ understanding_NN ,_, but_CC that_DT is_VBZ what_WP I_PRP would_MD expect_VB ._. 
And_CC you_PRP have_VBP no_DT objection_NN to_TO that_DT ?_. 
No_DT ,_, I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB ._. 
Is_VBZ it_PRP your_PRP$ understanding_NN that_IN because_IN Dover_NNP is_VBZ a_DT standards-driven_JJ district_NN ,_, that_IN students_NNS will_MD not_RB be_VB tested_VBN on_IN the_DT intelligent_JJ design_NN theory_NN ?_. 
As_IN I_PRP know_VBP it_PRP and_CC as_IN it_PRP is_VBZ written_VBN ,_, there_EX is_VBZ no_DT test_NN on_IN intelligent_JJ design_NN ._. 
And_CC from_IN your_PRP$ previous_JJ answer_NN ,_, I_PRP believe_VBP you_PRP do_VBP understand_VB that_IN the_DT Dover_NNP School_NNP District_NNP purchased_VBD ,_, for_IN its_PRP$ ninth-grade_JJ biology_NN class_NN ,_, the_DT edition_NN of_IN the_DT Miller_NNP and_CC Levine_NNP biology_NN book_NN ._. 
Correct_NNP ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
And_CC you_PRP have_VBP no_DT objection_NN to_TO that_DT book_NN being_VBG used_VBN in_IN the_DT class_NN ?_. 
No_DT ,_, I_PRP do_VBP not_RB ._. 
Is_VBZ it_PRP your_PRP$ understanding_NN that_IN this_DT biology_NN book_NN provides_VBZ thorough_JJ coverage_NN of_IN Darwin_NNP 's_POS theory_NN of_IN evolution_NN ?_. 
Actually_RB ,_, did_VBD you_PRP ask_VBP me_PRP if_IN it_PRP 's_VBZ my_PRP$ understanding_NN or_CC if_IN --_: 
If_IN it_PRP 's_VBZ your_PRP$ understanding_NN ._. 
I_PRP mean_VBP ,_, you_PRP have_VBP to_TO testify_VB about_IN your_PRP$ knowledge_NN ,_, ma'am_NN ._. 
Okay_UH ._. 
What_WP I_PRP 've_VBP seen_VBN of_IN actually_RB Darwin_NNP in_IN the_DT textbook_NN ,_, in_IN my_PRP$ opinion_NN ,_, is_VBZ actually_RB quite_RB slim_JJ ._. 
It_PRP follows_VBZ state_NN standards_NNS ,_, of_IN course_NN ._. 
And_CC ,_, actually_RB ,_, to_TO me_PRP ,_, it_PRP gives_VBZ more_JJR of_IN a_DT historical_JJ context_NN of_IN Darwin_NNP than_IN anything_NN as_RB far_RB as_IN what_WP I_PRP have_VBP read_VBN ._. 
And_CC I_PRP did_VBD look_VB at_IN that_DT section_NN ,_, and_CC I_PRP looked_VBD basically_RB through_IN the_DT book_NN ._. 
And_CC it_PRP appears_VBZ to_TO be_VB historical_JJ mainly_RB in_IN context_NN of_IN Darwin_NNP 's_POS time_NN frame_NN and_CC what_WP he_PRP did_VBD for_IN science_NN ._. 
Has_VBZ Dr._NN Miller_NNP left_VBD the_DT courtroom_NN ?_. 
Maybe_RB we_PRP should_MD ask_VB ._. 
So_RB if_IN you_PRP 're_VBP asking_VBG me_PRP if_IN I_PRP feel_VBP it_PRP 's_VBZ enough_RB or_CC if_IN it_PRP 's_VBZ --_: I_PRP 'm_VBP not_RB sure_JJ what_WP it_PRP is_VBZ you_PRP 're_VBP asking_VBG me_PRP about_IN that_DT ._. 
I_PRP feel_VBP ,_, actually_RB ,_, that_IN there_EX are_VBP topics_NNS that_WDT probably_RB could_MD be_VB explored_JJ in_IN more_JJR detail_NN ,_, but_CC I_PRP understand_VBP that_IN there_EX are_VBP limitations_NNS within_IN any_DT textbook_NN that_IN you_PRP have_VBP to_TO hit_VB on_IN core_NN concepts_NNS ._. 
I_PRP believe_VBP that_IN core_NN concepts_NNS are_VBP covered_VBN ,_, but_CC I_PRP think_VBP that_IN ,_, in_IN my_PRP$ opinion_NN ,_, what_WP I_PRP 've_VBP looked_VBN at_IN ,_, it_PRP 's_VBZ historical_JJ context_NN ._. 
Is_VBZ it_PRP your_PRP$ understanding_NN that_IN it_PRP presents_VBZ Darwin_NNP 's_POS theory_NN of_IN evolution_NN in_IN a_DT manner_NN that_WDT is_VBZ consistent_JJ with_IN its_PRP$ standing_NN in_IN the_DT scientific_JJ community_NN ?_. 
As_RB much_JJ as_IN I_PRP know_VBP about_IN the_DT scientific_JJ community_NN --_: and_CC ,_, you_PRP know_VBP ,_, you_PRP have_VBP to_TO remember_VB that_DT 's_VBZ not_RB my_PRP$ discipline_NN ._. 
But_CC as_RB much_JJ as_IN I_PRP know_VBP about_IN what_WP the_DT high_JJ school_NN science_NN standards_NNS say_VBP ,_, it_PRP would_MD be_VB in_IN standing_NN with_IN that_DT ._. 
As_RB far_RB as_IN the_DT scientific_JJ community_NN ,_, I_PRP really_RB ca_MD n't_RB go_VB there_RB ,_, because_IN I_PRP know_VBP that_IN there_EX is_VBZ a_DT lot_NN more_JJR about_IN Darwin_NNP than_IN is_VBZ in_IN that_DT textbook_NN ._. 
I_PRP mean_VBP ,_, I_PRP can_MD absolutely_RB say_VB that_IN without_IN knowing_VBG everything_NN about_IN Darwin_NNP or_CC knowing_VBG everything_NN about_IN science_NN ._. 
Do_VBP you_PRP have_VB any_DT reason_NN to_TO believe_VB that_IN what_WP 's_VBZ in_IN the_DT biology_NN book_NN is_VBZ inconsistent_JJ with_IN what_WP the_DT scientific_JJ community_NN --_: 
Absolutely_RB not_RB ,_, no_UH ._. 
No_DT ,_, I_PRP would_MD have_VB no_DT reason_NN to_TO believe_VB that_DT ._. 
Is_VBZ it_PRP your_PRP$ understanding_NN that_IN the_DT book_NN Of_IN Pandas_NNP and_CC People_NNS was_VBD placed_VBN in_IN the_DT library_NN for_IN students_NNS to_TO review_VB ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
It_PRP 's_VBZ your_PRP$ understanding_NN that_IN no_DT student_NN was_VBD required_VBN to_TO read_VB any_DT portion_NN of_IN the_DT Pandas_NNP book_NN ?_. 
Right_RB ,_, just_RB as_IN no_DT student_NN is_VBZ required_VBN to_TO read_VB anything_NN that_WDT 's_VBZ in_IN the_DT library_NN unless_IN they_PRP choose_VBP to_TO ._. 
You_PRP have_VBP no_DT objection_NN to_TO Pandas_NNP being_VBG in_IN the_DT library_NN ?_. 
No_DT ,_, absolutely_RB not_RB ._. 
I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB object_VB to_TO Pandas_NNP being_VBG in_IN the_DT library_NN ,_, just_RB like_IN I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB object_VB to_TO ,_, you_PRP know_VBP ,_, any_DT of_IN the_DT other_JJ books_NNS being_VBG in_IN the_DT library_NN ,_, as_RB long_RB as_IN --_: as_RB long_RB as_IN it_PRP 's_VBZ the_DT appropriate_JJ level_NN and_CC --_: you_PRP know_VBP ,_, I_PRP mean_VBP ,_, there_EX is_VBZ a_DT censorship_NN process_NN that_WDT goes_VBZ into_IN putting_VBG books_NNS in_IN the_DT library_NN ._. 
So_RB ,_, I_PRP mean_VBP ,_, as_RB long_RB as_IN it_PRP has_VBZ gone_VBN through_IN that_DT process_NN and_CC it_PRP 's_VBZ approved_VBD to_TO be_VB there_RB ,_, I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB have_VB a_DT problem_NN with_IN it_PRP being_VBG there_RB ._. 
The_DT statement_NN that_IN the_DT school_NN district_NN developed_VBN to_TO be_VB read_VBN as_IN part_NN of_IN the_DT biology_NN class_NN ,_, is_VBZ it_PRP your_PRP$ understanding_NN that_IN the_DT statement_NN that_WDT was_VBD drafted_VBN in_IN January_NNP ,_, 2005_CD ,_, or_CC for_IN use_NN in_IN January_NNP ,_, 2005_CD ,_, was_VBD modified_VBN in_IN June_NNP of_IN 2005_CD ?_. 
Are_VBP you_PRP aware_JJ of_IN that_DT ?_. 
Can_MD you_PRP say_VB that_DT again_RB ?_. 
I_PRP 'm_VBP sorry_JJ ,_, I_PRP was_VBD n't_RB that_DT precise_JJ ._. 
The_DT original_JJ statement_NN that_WDT was_VBD drafted_VBN by_IN the_DT Dover_NNP School_NNP District_NNP was_VBD modified_VBN in_IN June_NNP of_IN 2005_CD ._. 
Are_VBP you_PRP aware_JJ of_IN that_DT ?_. 
Well_RB ,_, I_PRP 'm_VBP aware_JJ that_IN that_DT statement_NN was_VBD modified_VBN several_JJ times_NNS ._. 
In_IN fact_NN ,_, there_EX were_VBD different_JJ drafts_NNS of_IN that_DT statement_NN that_IN I_PRP had_VBD seen_VBN ._. 
The_DT exact_JJ modification_NN ,_, are_VBP you_PRP telling_VBG me_PRP that_IN from_IN the_DT time_NN that_IN they_PRP had_VBD approved_VBN it_PRP in_IN October_NNP ,_, it_PRP was_VBD modified_VBN before_IN it_PRP was_VBD read_VBN in_IN January_NNP ?_. 
Because_IN it_PRP was_VBD again_RB read_VB in_RB ,_, I_PRP believe_VBP ,_, like_IN May_NNP ,_, and_CC there_EX was_VBD a_DT change_NN from_IN that_DT point_NN in_IN time_NN ,_, unless_IN I_PRP 'm_VBP incorrect_JJ and_CC that_DT is_VBZ the_DT change_NN that_IN I_PRP 'm_VBP thinking_NN of_IN ._. 
Were_VBD you_PRP aware_JJ that_IN there_EX was_VBD a_DT change_NN made_VBN to_TO the_DT statement_NN at_IN one_CD point_NN to_TO indicate_VB that_IN Pandas_NNP was_VBD in_IN the_DT library_NN ,_, as_RB well_RB as_IN additional_JJ resources_NNS in_IN the_DT library_NN addressing_VBG intelligent_JJ design_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, I_PRP am_VBP aware_JJ that_IN there_EX was_VBD a_DT change_NN ._. 
Are_VBP you_PRP aware_JJ of_IN that_DT change_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
Is_VBZ it_PRP your_PRP$ understanding_NN that_IN some_DT of_IN these_DT additional_JJ books_NNS that_WDT were_VBD put_VBN in_IN the_DT library_NN are_VBP actually_RB critical_JJ of_IN intelligent_JJ design_NN ?_. 
Actually_RB ,_, I_PRP am_VBP ,_, because_IN I_PRP recall_VBP them_PRP --_: an_DT organization_NN actually_RB sending_VBG the_DT library_NN those_DT books_NNS ,_, because_IN there_EX was_VBD controversy_NN in_IN those_DT books_NNS being_VBG put_NN in_IN there_RB ,_, too_RB ._. 
And_CC there_EX were_VBD many_JJ members_NNS of_IN the_DT community_NN who_WP had_VBD called_VBN to_TO see_VB whether_IN those_DT books_NNS had_VBD actually_RB gotten_VBN there_EX or_CC not_RB ,_, into_IN the_DT library_NN ,_, because_IN we_PRP were_VBD n't_RB certain_JJ that_IN those_DT books_NNS were_VBD going_VBG to_TO be_VB allowed_VBN in_IN the_DT library_NN ,_, permitted_VBN in_IN the_DT library_NN ._. 
They_PRP 're_VBP in_IN the_DT library_NN ?_. 
Well_RB ,_, a_DT parent_NN --_: the_DT books_NNS that_WDT are_VBP critical_JJ to_TO --_: 
Yes_UH ._. 
I_PRP 'm_VBP assuming_VBG that_IN they_PRP had_VBD gotten_VBN there_RB ._. 
You_PRP never_RB checked_VBD ?_. 
There_EX were_VBD a_DT couple_NN instances_NNS where_WRB friends_NNS of_IN mine_NN had_VBD tried_VBN to_TO check_VB on_IN the_DT status_NN of_IN the_DT books_NNS in_IN the_DT library_NN but_CC were_VBD not_RB permitted_VBN to_TO go_VB in_IN at_IN that_DT time_NN ._. 
So_IN I_PRP am_VBP only_RB assuming_VBG that_IN those_DT books_NNS are_VBP there_RB now_RB because_IN I_PRP am_VBP being_VBG told_VBN that_IN they_PRP are_VBP ._. 
But_CC as_IN for_IN myself_PRP walking_VBG into_IN a_DT library_NN and_CC seeing_VBG them_PRP there_RB ,_, I_PRP did_VBD not_RB ._. 
Do_VBP you_PRP have_VB any_DT objection_NN to_TO these_DT additional_JJ books_NNS being_VBG placed_VBN in_IN the_DT library_NN ?_. 
No_DT ,_, I_PRP do_VBP not_RB ._. 
No_DT further_JJ questions_NNS ,_, Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ._. 
Any_DT redirect_NN ?_. 
No_DT ,_, Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ._. 
Ma'am_NNP ,_, you_PRP may_MD step_VB down_RB ._. 
That_DT will_MD complete_VB your_PRP$ testimony_NN ,_, and_CC you_PRP may_MD call_VB your_PRP$ next_JJ witness_NN ._. 
Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ,_, plaintiffs_NNS call_VBP to_TO the_DT stand_NN Plaintiff_NNP Beth_NNP Eveland_NNP ._. 
BETH_NNP EVELAND_NNP ,_, called_VBN as_IN a_DT witness_NN ,_, having_VBG been_VBN duly_RB sworn_VBN or_CC affirmed_VBD ,_, testified_VBD as_IN follows_VBZ :_: 
State_NNP your_PRP$ name_NN and_CC spell_VB your_PRP$ name_NN for_IN the_DT record_NN ._. 
Sure_RB ._. 
My_PRP$ name_NN is_VBZ Beth_NNP Eveland_NNP ,_, B-_NNP e-t-h_JJ ,_, E-_NNP v-e-l-a-n-d_JJ ._. 
DIRECT_NNP EXAMINATION_NNP BY_NNP MR_NNP ._. HARVEY_NNP "_'' Please_VB state_NN your_PRP$ name_NN ._. 
Beth_NNP Eveland_NNP ._. 
And_CC where_WRB do_VBP you_PRP live_VBP ,_, Ms._NN --_: is_VBZ it_PRP Ms._NN or_CC Mrs._NN ?_. 
Mrs._NN 
Mrs._NN Eveland_NNP ._. 
Colonial_NNP Road_NNP ,_, Dover_NNP ,_, Pennsylvania_NNP ._. 
And_CC how_WRB long_JJ have_VBP you_PRP lived_VBD there_RB ?_. 
I_PRP 've_VBP lived_VBN there_EX approximately_RB eight_CD years_NNS now_RB ._. 
Are_VBP you_PRP married_VBD ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, I_PRP am_VBP ._. 
Do_VBP you_PRP have_VB children_NNS ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, I_PRP do_VBP ._. 
How_WRB many_JJ children_NNS do_VBP you_PRP have_VBP ?_. 
Two_CD ._. 
And_CC how_WRB old_JJ are_VBP they_PRP ?_. 
I_PRP have_VBP a_DT seven-year-old_JJ daughter_NN and_CC a_DT five-year-old_JJ daughter_NN ._. 
And_CC what_WP schools_NNS do_VBP they_PRP attend_VBP ?_. 
They_PRP attend_VBP the_DT Leib_NNP Elementary_NNP School_NNP in_IN the_DT Dover_NNP School_NNP District_NNP ._. 
And_CC do_VBP you_PRP have_VBP plans_NNS for_IN your_PRP$ children_NNS to_TO continue_VB to_TO attend_VB public_JJ schools_NNS in_IN Dover_NNP ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, I_PRP do_VBP ._. 
And_CC what_WP are_VBP those_DT plans_NNS ?_. 
To_TO continue_VB keeping_VBG them_PRP ,_, you_PRP know_VBP ,_, going_VBG through_IN the_DT Dover_NNP School_NNP District_NNP ._. 
And_CC do_VBP you_PRP work_VBP outside_IN the_DT home_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, I_PRP do_VBP ._. 
And_CC please_VB tell_VB us_PRP what_WP you_PRP do_VBP ._. 
I_PRP am_VBP a_DT legal_JJ assistant_NN ._. 
Now_RB ,_, did_VBD there_EX come_VB a_DT time_NN when_WRB you_PRP learned_VBD that_IN the_DT Dover_NNP Area_NNP School_NNP District_NNP Board_NNP of_IN Directors_NNS was_VBD discussing_VBG or_CC considering_VBG approval_NN of_IN a_DT biology_NN textbook_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
And_CC when_WRB was_VBD that_DT ?_. 
It_PRP was_VBD approximately_RB June_NNP ,_, 2004_CD ._. 
And_CC do_VBP you_PRP remember_VBP how_WRB you_PRP learned_VBD that_DT ?_. 
I_PRP had_VBD read_VBN an_DT article_NN in_IN the_DT York_NNP Daily_NNP Record_NNP ._. 
Now_RB ,_, I_PRP 'd_MD like_VB you_PRP to_TO look_VB at_IN what_WP 's_VBZ been_VBN marked_VBN and_CC is_VBZ in_IN the_DT notebook_NN before_IN you_PRP as_IN P_NN 46_CD ._. 
All_DT right_JJ ._. 
Excuse_NNP me_PRP ,_, Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ._. 
I_PRP just_RB want_VBP to_TO make_VB sure_JJ that_IN this_DT testimony_NN ,_, to_TO the_DT extent_NN it_PRP relates_VBZ to_TO the_DT newspaper_NN article_NN ,_, is_VBZ subject_JJ to_TO our_PRP$ standing_NN objection_NN ._. 
Well_RB ,_, what_WP is_VBZ 46_CD ?_. 
It_PRP 's_VBZ a_DT June_NNP 9th_CD article_NN from_IN the_DT York_NNP Daily_NNP Record_NNP ._. 
Well_RB ,_, I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB know_VB what_WP the_DT question_NN is_VBZ ._. 
It_PRP may_MD relate_VB to_TO your_PRP$ standing_NN objection_NN ,_, but_CC we_PRP 'll_MD note_VB that_DT ._. 
We_PRP 'll_MD hold_VB that_WDT thought_VBD ,_, and_CC you_PRP can_MD proceed_VB with_IN the_DT question_NN ,_, because_IN all_DT we_PRP have_VBP is_VBZ the_DT exhibit_NN that_WDT is_VBZ a_DT newspaper_NN article_NN ._. 
So_RB let_VB 's_POS proceed_VB with_IN the_DT question_NN ._. 
There_EX 's_VBZ no_DT need_VBP to_TO restate_VB your_PRP$ objection_NN ,_, unless_IN you_PRP want_VBP to_TO put_VB a_DT finer_NN point_NN on_IN the_DT objection_NN ._. 
But_CC at_IN this_DT point_NN ,_, proceed_VB with_IN your_PRP$ question_NN ._. 
BY_NNP MR_NNP ._. HARVEY_NNP Did_VBD you_PRP read_VBP this_DT article_NN on_IN or_CC around_IN June_NNP the_DT 9th_CD of_IN 2004_CD ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, I_PRP did_VBD ._. 
And_CC following_VBG reading_VBG this_DT article_NN ,_, did_VBD you_PRP attend_VBP any_DT meeting_NN of_IN the_DT Dover_NNP Area_NNP School_NNP District_NNP ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, I_PRP did_VBD ._. 
And_CC approximately_RB when_WRB was_VBD that_DT ?_. 
Approximately_RB the_DT end_NN of_IN June_NNP through_IN the_DT present_NN ._. 
What_WP I_PRP 'd_MD like_VB to_TO know_VB is_VBZ if_IN you_PRP attended_VBD a_DT meeting_NN after_IN this_DT June_NNP 9th_CD --_: excuse_NN me_PRP ,_, this_DT board_NN meeting_NN that_WDT 's_VBZ reported_VBD in_IN this_DT article_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, I_PRP did_VBD ._. 
And_CC what_WP was_VBD the_DT date_NN of_IN the_DT next_JJ board_NN meeting_NN that_IN you_PRP believe_VBP you_PRP attended_VBD ?_. 
It_PRP would_MD have_VB been_VBN approximately_RB June_NNP 15th_JJ ,_, June_NNP 16th_JJ ._. 
And_CC can_MD you_PRP tell_VB us_PRP whether_IN --_: when_WRB you_PRP remember_VBP that_IN you_PRP attended_VBD this_DT board_NN meeting_NN ?_. 
When_WRB I_PRP remember_VBP that_IN I_PRP attended_VBD this_DT board_NN meeting_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
In_IN preparation_NN for_IN trial_NN ,_, looking_VBG back_RB through_IN my_PRP$ deposition_NN testimony_NN and_CC thinking_VBG about_IN things_NNS that_WDT had_VBD happened_VBN ,_, it_PRP occurred_VBD to_TO me_PRP that_IN ,_, you_PRP know_VBP ,_, I_PRP was_VBD there_RB at_IN that_DT June_NNP meeting_NN ._. 
And_CC what_WP is_VBZ it_PRP about_IN that_DT June_NNP board_NN meeting_NN that_WDT made_VBD you_PRP remember_VBP that_IN you_PRP were_VBD there_RB ?_. 
I_PRP remember_VBP Casey_NNP Brown_NNP ,_, one_CD of_IN the_DT board_NN members_NNS at_IN the_DT time_NN ,_, discussing_VBG ,_, during_IN the_DT board_NN meeting_NN with_IN the_DT board_NN ,_, that_IN she_PRP felt_VBD they_PRP were_VBD ,_, I_PRP 'm_VBP paraphrasing_VBG ,_, treading_VBG ,_, you_PRP know_VBP ,_, on_IN --_: they_PRP were_VBD treading_VBG closely_RB to_TO violating_VBG the_DT Pennsylvania_NNP State_NNP Board_NNP of_IN Education_NNP regulations_NNS on_IN religion_NN in_IN the_DT classroom_NN ._. 
And_CC do_VBP you_PRP remember_VBP anything_NN that_WDT was_VBD said_VBN by_IN any_DT board_NN members_NNS at_IN that_DT meeting_NN that_IN you_PRP attended_VBD in_IN June_NNP of_IN 2004_CD ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, I_PRP do_VBP ._. 
What_WP do_VBP you_PRP remember_VBP ?_. 
I_PRP remember_VBP Bill_NNP Buckingham_NNP making_VBG the_DT statement_NN ,_, years_NNS ago_RB somebody_NN died_VBD on_IN the_DT Cross_NNP ,_, ca_MD n't_RB someone_NN take_VBP a_DT stand_NN for_IN Him_PRP ._. 
Now_RB ,_, what_WP was_VBD your_PRP$ reaction_NN to_TO what_WP you_PRP saw_VBD and_CC heard_VBN at_IN the_DT board_NN meeting_NN on_IN or_CC about_IN --_: I_PRP think_VBP you_PRP said_VBD June_NNP the_DT 15th_JJ or_CC 16th_JJ ?_. 
I_PRP think_VBP ,_, for_IN the_DT record_NN ,_, it_PRP 's_VBZ established_VBN that_IN it_PRP 's_VBZ June_NNP the_DT 14th_JJ ._. 
But_CC tell_VB us_PRP ,_, what_WP was_VBD your_PRP$ reaction_NN to_TO what_WP you_PRP heard_VBD ?_. 
I_PRP was_VBD shocked_VBN ._. 
I_PRP was_VBD just_RB utterly_RB shocked_VBN ._. 
And_CC did_VBD you_PRP do_VB anything_NN in_IN response_NN to_TO that_DT ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, I_PRP did_VBD ._. 
I_PRP had_VBD wrote_VBD a_DT letter_NN to_TO the_DT editor_NN ._. 
And_CC was_VBD that_IN before_IN or_CC after_IN you_PRP attended_VBD that_DT board_NN meeting_NN ?_. 
I_PRP wrote_VBD a_DT letter_NN to_TO the_DT editor_NN --_: I_PRP believe_VBP it_PRP was_VBD actually_RB written_VBN before_IN I_PRP attended_VBD the_DT board_NN meeting_NN ,_, but_CC it_PRP was_VBD n't_RB published_VBN until_IN after_IN that_DT June_NNP 14th_JJ board_NN meeting_NN ._. 
And_CC where_WRB did_VBD you_PRP send_VBP that_DT letter_NN to_TO the_DT editor_NN ,_, which_WDT newspaper_NN ?_. 
I_PRP submitted_VBD it_PRP to_TO the_DT three_CD local_JJ newspapers_NNS ,_, York_NNP Daily_NNP Record_NNP ,_, York_NNP Sunday_NNP News_NNP ,_, and_CC York_NNP Dispatch_NNP ._. 
And_CC did_VBD you_PRP do_VB anything_NN ,_, before_IN you_PRP sent_VBD it_PRP to_TO those_DT papers_NNS ,_, with_IN the_DT content_NN of_IN the_DT letter_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, I_PRP did_VBD ._. 
I_PRP had_VBD e-mailed_JJ a_DT letter_NN basically_RB stating_VBG the_DT same_JJ thing_NN in_IN my_PRP$ letter_NN to_TO the_DT board_NN president_NN at_IN the_DT time_NN ,_, Alan_NNP Bonsell_NNP ,_, a_DT copy_NN to_TO Dr._NN Nilsen_NNP ,_, and_CC I_PRP mailed_VBD a_DT copy_NN to_TO Mr._NN Buckingham_NNP ._. 
Now_RB ,_, please_VB turn_RB to_TO what_WP 's_VBZ been_VBN marked_VBN and_CC is_VBZ in_IN the_DT notebook_NN before_IN you_PRP as_IN P_NN 56_CD ._. 
Okay_UH ._. 
Do_VBP you_PRP have_VB it_PRP in_IN front_NN of_IN you_PRP ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, I_PRP do_VBP ._. 
And_CC can_MD you_PRP tell_VB us_PRP what_WP it_PRP is_VBZ ?_. 
It_PRP looks_VBZ to_TO me_PRP to_TO be_VB a_DT copy_NN of_IN a_DT letter_NN to_TO the_DT editor_NN that_IN I_PRP wrote_VBD ._. 
And_CC I_PRP 'm_VBP going_VBG to_TO ask_VB you_PRP to_TO read_VB this_DT letter_NN into_IN the_DT record_NN ._. 
Okay_UH ._. 
Objection_NNP ,_, Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ._. 
This_DT letter_NN is_VBZ hearsay_NN ._. 
Say_VB it_PRP again_RB ._. 
I_PRP 'm_VBP sorry_JJ ._. 
Objection_NNP ,_, hearsay_NN ._. 
Why_WRB is_VBZ it_PRP hearsay_NN ?_. 
She_PRP 's_VBZ going_VBG to_TO be_VB reading_NN in_IN the_DT letter_NN ,_, the_DT contents_NNS of_IN the_DT statement_NN ._. 
It_PRP 's_VBZ an_DT out-of-court_JJ statement_NN ._. 
They_PRP 're_VBP obviously_RB offering_NN it_PRP for_IN the_DT truth_NN of_IN the_DT matter_NN ._. 
Who_WP wrote_VBD the_DT letter_NN ?_. 
She_PRP wrote_VBD the_DT letter_NN ._. 
Overruled_NNP ._. 
BY_NNP MR_NNP ._. HARVEY_NNP Please_VB ._. 
"_'' As_IN a_DT parent_NN in_IN the_DT Dover_NNP Area_NNP School_NNP District_NNP ,_, I_PRP must_MD convey_VB my_PRP$ shock_NN and_CC utter_JJ dismay_NN at_IN William_NNP Buckingham_NNP 's_POS comments_NNS regarding_VBG the_DT search_NN for_IN new_JJ biology_NN texts_NNS for_IN the_DT high_JJ school_NN ._. 
I_PRP am_VBP especially_RB upset_VBN with_IN Mr._NN Buckingham_NNP 's_POS comments_NNS as_IN quoted_VBN in_IN Wednesday_NNP 's_POS York_NNP Daily_NNP Record_NNP :_: '_POS This_DT country_NN was_VBD n't_RB founded_VBN on_IN Muslim_NNP beliefs_NNS or_CC evolution_NN ._. 
This_DT country_NN was_VBD founded_VBN on_IN Christianity_NNP ,_, and_CC our_PRP$ students_NNS should_MD be_VB taught_VBN as_IN such_JJ ._. 
'_POS This_DT statement_NN is_VBZ in_IN direct_JJ contradiction_NN to_TO the_DT mission_NN statement_NN of_IN the_DT Dover_NNP schools_NNS ._. 
"_'' In_IN partnership_NN with_IN family_NN and_CC community_NN to_TO educate_VB students_NNS ,_, we_PRP emphasize_VBP sound_NN ,_, basic_JJ skills_NNS and_CC nurture_VB the_DT diverse_JJ needs_NNS of_IN our_PRP$ students_NNS as_IN they_PRP strive_VBP to_TO become_VB lifelong_JJ learners_NNS and_CC contributing_VBG members_NNS of_IN our_PRP$ global_JJ society_NN ._. 
What_WP a_DT slap_NN in_IN the_DT face_NN to_TO many_JJ of_IN the_DT parents_NNS and_CC taxpayers_NNS of_IN the_DT Dover_NNP area_NN ._. 
How_WRB sad_JJ that_IN a_DT member_NN of_IN our_PRP$ own_JJ school_NN board_NN would_MD be_VB so_RB closed-minded_JJ and_CC not_RB want_VB to_TO carry_VB on_IN the_DT mission_NN of_IN Dover_NNP schools_NNS ._. 
"_'' His_PRP$ ignorance_NN will_MD not_RB only_RB hold_VB back_RB children_NNS attending_VBG Dover_NNP area_NN schools_NNS ,_, but_CC also_RB reinforce_VB other_JJ communities_NNS '_POS views_NNS that_IN Dover_NNP is_VBZ a_DT backwards_JJ ,_, close-minded_JJ community_NN ._. 
If_IN it_PRP was_VBD simply_RB a_DT matter_NN of_IN selecting_VBG a_DT text_NN that_WDT gives_VBZ two_CD contradicting_VBG scientific_JJ theories_NNS equal_JJ time_NN ,_, that_WDT would_MD be_VB an_DT entirely_RB different_JJ matter_NN ,_, but_CC it_PRP 's_VBZ not_RB ._. 
Creationism_NNP is_VBZ religion_NN ,_, plain_JJ and_CC simple_JJ ._. 
"_'' Mr._NN Buckingham_NNP 's_POS comments_NNS offend_VB me_PRP ,_, not_RB because_IN they_PRP are_VBP religious_JJ in_IN nature_NN ,_, but_CC because_IN it_PRP is_VBZ my_PRP$ duty_NN to_TO teach_VB my_PRP$ children_NNS about_IN religion_NN as_IN I_PRP see_VBP fit_VB ,_, not_RB the_DT Dover_NNP Area_NNP School_NNP District_NNP during_IN a_DT biology_NN class_NN ._. 
"_'' Now_RB ,_, that_DT letter_NN was_VBD actually_RB published_VBN in_IN the_DT paper_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, it_PRP was_VBD ._. 
And_CC did_VBD you_PRP see_VBP it_PRP in_IN the_DT paper_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, I_PRP did_VBD ._. 
And_CC did_VBD you_PRP read_VBP any_DT response_NN to_TO your_PRP$ letter_NN in_IN the_DT paper_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, I_PRP did_VBD ._. 
And_CC can_MD you_PRP tell_VB us_PRP who_WP submitted_VBD --_: whose_WP$ response_NN did_VBD you_PRP read_VBP in_IN the_DT paper_NN ?_. 
It_PRP was_VBD a_DT published_JJ response_NN noting_VBG Heather_NNP Geesey_NNP as_IN the_DT author_NN ._. 
And_CC who_WP is_VBZ Heather_NNP Geesey_NNP ?_. 
She_PRP is_VBZ a_DT member_NN of_IN the_DT Dover_NNP Area_NNP School_NNP Board_NNP ._. 
And_CC her_PRP$ response_NN letter_NN was_VBD published_VBN in_IN what_WP newspaper_NN ?_. 
I_PRP believe_VBP it_PRP was_VBD either_CC the_DT York_NNP Dispatch_NNP or_CC the_DT York_NNP Daily_NNP Record_NNP ._. 
And_CC please_VB turn_RB to_TO what_WP 's_VBZ been_VBN marked_VBN in_IN the_DT notebook_NN before_IN you_PRP as_IN P_NN 60_CD ._. 
Okay_UH ._. 
Does_VBZ that_WDT help_VBP you_PRP remember_VB ,_, looking_VBG at_IN it_PRP ,_, what_WP newspaper_NN it_PRP was_VBD published_VBN in_RP ?_. 
It_PRP was_VBD published_VBN in_IN the_DT York_NNP Daily_NNP Record_NNP ._. 
And_CC what_WP is_VBZ that_IN that_DT 's_VBZ marked_VBD as_IN P_NN 60_CD ?_. 
It_PRP is_VBZ a_DT letter_NN from_IN Heather_NNP Geesey_NNP to_TO the_DT editor_NN in_IN response_NN to_TO my_PRP$ letter_NN ._. 
And_CC did_VBD you_PRP see_VBP it_PRP at_IN the_DT time_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, I_PRP did_VBD ._. 
Please_VB read_VB that_IN into_IN the_DT record_NN ._. 
Objection_NNP ,_, Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ._. 
Our_PRP$ standing_NN objection_NN ,_, as_RB well_RB as_IN she_PRP has_VBZ not_RB established_VBN a_DT foundation_NN that_IN actually_RB Heather_NNP Geesey_NNP wrote_VBD this_DT article_NN ._. 
She_PRP has_VBZ no_DT personal_JJ knowledge_NN ._. 
Let_VB me_PRP first_JJ view_NN the_DT exhibit_NN ._. 
Do_VBP you_PRP want_VB to_TO respond_VB to_TO the_DT objection_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ._. 
We_PRP submitted_VBD an_DT exhibit_NN list_NN to_TO the_DT other_JJ side_NN ,_, and_CC we_PRP were_VBD told_VBN there_EX were_VBD no_DT authentication_NN issues_NNS with_IN respect_NN to_TO any_DT of_IN this_DT ,_, so_RB there_EX 's_VBZ no_DT question_NN about_IN the_DT authenticity_NN of_IN this_DT ,_, nor_CC do_VBP I_PRP understand_VBP --_: and_CC further_RBR ,_, it_PRP 's_VBZ not_RB offered_VBN for_IN the_DT truth_NN of_IN the_DT matter_NN asserted_VBD ,_, so_RB there_EX 's_VBZ no_DT hearsay_NN objection_NN ._. 
Well_RB ,_, on_IN the_DT authentication_NN ,_, let_VB 's_POS take_VB it_PRP in_IN two_CD parts_NNS ._. 
My_PRP$ understanding_NN was_VBD that_IN there_EX was_VBD not_RB an_DT authentication_NN issue_NN ._. 
That_DT does_VBZ refresh_NN my_PRP$ recollection_NN on_IN that_DT point_NN ._. 
Now_RB ,_, if_IN there_EX 's_VBZ not_RB an_DT authentication_NN issue_NN ,_, we_PRP 'll_MD move_VB on_IN to_TO the_DT second_JJ --_: 
Actually_RB ,_, Mr._NN Muise_NNP may_MD be_VB at_IN a_DT disadvantage_NN here_RB ._. 
I_PRP did_VBD agree_VB with_IN Steve_NNP that_IN we_PRP -_: he_PRP has_VBZ an_DT affidavit_NN from_IN someone_NN who_WP has_VBZ indicated_VBN they_PRP have_VBP collected_VBN newspaper_NN articles_NNS ._. 
So_RB with_IN respect_NN to_TO that_DT issue_NN ,_, there_EX 's_VBZ no_DT objection_NN ._. 
I_PRP have_VBP agreed_VBN that_IN she_PRP has_VBZ authenticated_JJ what_WP she_PRP did_VBD to_TO produce_VB this_DT article_NN ._. 
All_DT right_JJ ._. 
Very_RB well_RB ._. 
So_RB there_EX 's_VBZ no_DT question_NN then_RB that_IN this_DT represents_VBZ a_DT letter_NN written_VBN by_IN Ms._NN Geesey_NNP to_TO the_DT York_NNP Daily_NNP Record_NNP ._. 
Is_VBZ that_IN correct_JJ from_IN the_DT defense_NN standpoint_NN ?_. 
That_DT is_VBZ correct_JJ ,_, Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ._. 
That_DT 's_VBZ the_DT representation_NN that_WDT has_VBZ been_VBN made_VBN in_IN an_DT affidavit_NN ,_, and_CC I_PRP accept_VBP it_PRP ._. 
Now_RB ,_, counsel_NN for_IN the_DT plaintiff_NN is_VBZ indicating_VBG the_DT letter_NN as_IN being_VBG produced_VBN on_IN the_DT issue_NN of_IN --_: or_CC to_TO show_VB notice_NN ,_, obviously_RB ,_, on_IN the_DT effect_NN prong_NN ._. 
Do_VBP you_PRP want_VB speak_VB to_TO that_DT ?_. 
Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ,_, I_PRP would_MD also_RB note_VB that_IN it_PRP 's_VBZ an_DT admission_NN of_IN a_DT party_NN opponent_NN ._. 
And_CC I_PRP think_VBP it_PRP would_MD come_VB in_IN under_IN that_DT basis_NN ,_, but_CC that_DT would_MD be_VB the_DT hearsay_NN justification_NN or_CC the_DT justification_NN that_WDT would_MD get_VB around_IN a_DT hearsay_NN objection_NN ._. 
But_CC the_DT purpose_NN of_IN the_DT letter_NN is_VBZ under_IN the_DT second_JJ prong_NN ._. 
Is_VBZ that_DT correct_JJ ?_. 
It_PRP is_VBZ for_IN that_DT purpose_NN ,_, and_CC it_PRP 's_VBZ also_RB to_TO show_VB that_IN Ms._NN Geesey_NNP talked_VBD about_IN the_DT statements_NNS that_WDT were_VBD made_VBN in_IN this_DT letter_NN at_IN this_DT time_NN ._. 
That_DT 's_VBZ one_CD of_IN the_DT issues_NNS in_IN the_DT case_NN ._. 
So_IN it_PRP could_MD go_VB to_TO truth_NN inasmuch_RB as_IN it_PRP 's_VBZ an_DT admission_NN ._. 
Is_VBZ that_DT correct_JJ ?_. 
Exactly_RB ._. 
All_DT right_JJ ._. 
Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ,_, as_IN you_PRP know_VBP ,_, we_PRP 've_VBP got_VBN the_DT question_NN of_IN whether_IN or_CC not_RB these_DT are_VBP admissible_JJ for_IN effect_NN ._. 
Our_PRP$ position_NN on_IN that_IN we_PRP 've_VBP articulated_JJ ._. 
I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB know_VB if_IN you_PRP want_VBP us_PRP to_TO argue_VB at_IN greater_JJR length_NN or_CC brief_JJ ,_, but_CC it_PRP 's_VBZ hearsay_NN to_TO the_DT extent_NN it_PRP 's_VBZ offered_VBN for_IN the_DT truth_NN of_IN the_DT matter_NN asserted_VBD as_IN effect_NN ._. 
Well_RB ,_, I_PRP think_VBP that_IN you_PRP reserved_VBD that_DT argument_NN ._. 
We_PRP 've_VBP had_VBN that_DT discussion_NN ._. 
I_PRP 'm_VBP inclined_VBN --_: because_IN it_PRP 's_VBZ a_DT bench_NN trial_NN ,_, I_PRP 'll_MD admit_VB it_PRP conditionally_RB ._. 
Whether_IN I_PRP 'll_MD consider_VB it_PRP in_IN my_PRP$ ultimate_JJ determination_NN will_MD be_VB a_DT function_NN of_IN the_DT argument_NN that_IN I_PRP 'm_VBP allowing_VBG you_PRP to_TO reserve_VB and_CC make_VB ._. 
But_CC for_IN the_DT purpose_NN of_IN this_DT witness_NN ,_, conditionally_RB and_CC subject_JJ to_TO additional_JJ argument_NN from_IN counsel_NN ,_, we_PRP 'll_MD admit_VB the_DT letter_NN and_CC you_PRP may_MD proceed_VB ._. 
Thank_VB you_PRP ,_, Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ._. 
BY_NNP MR_NNP ._. HARVEY_NNP Please_VB read_VB the_DT letter_NN ._. 
"_'' This_DT letter_NN is_VBZ in_IN regard_NN to_TO the_DT comments_NNS made_VBN by_IN Beth_NNP Eveland_NNP from_IN York_NNP Township_NNP in_IN the_DT June_NNP York_NNP Sunday_NNP News_NNP ._. 
I_PRP assure_VB you_PRP that_IN the_DT Dover_NNP Area_NNP School_NNP Board_NNP is_VBZ not_RB going_VBG against_IN its_PRP$ mission_NN statement_NN ._. 
In_IN fact_NN ,_, if_IN you_PRP read_VBP the_DT statement_NN ,_, it_PRP says_VBZ to_TO educate_VB our_PRP$ students_NNS so_IN that_IN they_PRP can_MD be_VB contributing_VBG members_NNS of_IN society_NN ._. 
"_'' I_PRP do_VBP not_RB believe_VB in_IN teaching_NN revisionist_NN history_NN ._. 
Our_PRP$ country_NN was_VBD founded_VBN on_IN Christian_NNP beliefs_NNS and_CC principles_NNS ._. 
We_PRP are_VBP not_RB looking_VBG for_IN a_DT book_NN that_WDT is_VBZ teaching_VBG students_NNS that_IN this_DT is_VBZ a_DT wrong_JJ thing_NN or_CC a_DT right_JJ thing_NN ._. 
It_PRP is_VBZ just_RB a_DT fact_NN ._. 
All_DT we_PRP are_VBP trying_VBG to_TO accomplish_VB with_IN this_DT task_NN is_VBZ to_TO choose_VB a_DT biology_NN book_NN that_WDT teaches_VBZ the_DT most_RBS prevalent_JJ theories_NNS ._. 
"_'' The_DT definition_NN of_IN '_POS theory_NN '_'' is_VBZ merely_RB a_DT speculative_JJ or_CC an_DT ideal_JJ circumstance_NN ._. 
To_TO present_VB only_RB one_CD theory_NN or_CC to_TO give_VB one_CD option_NN would_MD be_VB directly_RB contradicting_VBG our_PRP$ mission_NN statement_NN ._. 
You_PRP can_MD teach_VB creationism_NN without_IN it_PRP being_VBG Christianity_NNP ._. 
It_PRP can_MD be_VB presented_VBN as_IN a_DT higher_JJR power_NN ._. 
That_DT is_VBZ where_WRB another_DT part_NN of_IN Dover_NNP 's_POS mission_NN statement_NN comes_VBZ into_IN play_NN ._. 
That_DT part_NN would_MD be_VB in_IN partnership_NN with_IN family_NN and_CC community_NN ._. 
You_PRP as_IN a_DT parent_NN can_MD teach_VB your_PRP$ child_NN your_PRP$ family_NN 's_POS ideology_NN ._. 
"_'' And_CC what_WP was_VBD your_PRP$ reaction_NN to_TO that_DT letter_NN when_WRB you_PRP read_VBP it_PRP in_IN the_DT paper_NN ,_, Mrs._NN Eveland_NNP ?_. 
That_DT really_RB concerned_VBN me_PRP ._. 
Why_WRB ?_. 
That_DT made_VBN me_PRP question_VBP ,_, first_NN of_IN all_DT ,_, was_VBD she_PRP writing_VBG on_IN behalf_NN of_IN just_RB herself_PRP or_CC on_IN behalf_NN of_IN the_DT whole_JJ school_NN board_NN since_IN it_PRP was_VBD signed_VBN Dover_NNP Area_NNP School_NNP Board_NNP Director_NNP ,_, and_CC I_PRP sensed_VBD a_DT religious_JJ intonation_NN ._. 
Now_RB ,_, I_PRP 'd_MD like_VB you_PRP to_TO tell_VB us_PRP ,_, did_VBD you_PRP attend_VBP board_NN meetings_NNS in_IN after_IN June_NNP ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, I_PRP did_VBD ._. 
And_CC which_WDT board_NN meetings_NNS did_VBD you_PRP attend_VBP ?_. 
All_DT of_IN them_PRP ._. 
And_CC do_VBP you_PRP believe_VBP that_IN --_: were_VBD you_PRP at_IN the_DT meeting_NN on_IN October_NNP the_DT 18th_JJ of_IN 2004_CD ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, I_PRP was_VBD ._. 
And_CC did_VBD you_PRP hear_VBP the_DT board_NN discuss_VBP any_DT reason_NN for_IN adopting_VBG the_DT proposed_JJ curriculum_NN change_NN ?_. 
No_DT ,_, I_PRP did_VBD n't_RB ._. 
Do_VBP you_PRP feel_VB that_IN you_PRP 've_VBP been_VBN harmed_VBN by_IN the_DT board_NN 's_POS actions_NNS ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, I_PRP do_VBP ._. 
And_CC please_VB tell_VB us_PRP how_WRB you_PRP believe_VBP that_IN you_PRP have_VBP been_VBN harmed_VBN by_IN the_DT board_NN 's_POS actions_NNS ._. 
I_PRP feel_VBP it_PRP 's_VBZ my_PRP$ duty_NN ,_, as_IN a_DT parent_NN ,_, to_TO introduce_VB any_DT kind_NN of_IN faith-based_JJ concept_NN to_TO my_PRP$ children_NNS ,_, not_RB the_DT Dover_NNP Area_NNP School_NNP District_NNP ._. 
While_IN my_PRP$ children_NNS are_VBP small_JJ ,_, you_PRP know_VBP ,_, this_DT policy_NN is_VBZ district-wide_JJ ,_, and_CC there_EX 's_VBZ nothing_NN to_TO prevent_VB it_PRP from_IN being_VBG trickled_JJ down_RB into_IN the_DT elementary_JJ level_NN ._. 
It_PRP 's_VBZ just_RB something_NN that_IN I_PRP feel_VBP strongly_RB that_IN my_PRP$ husband_NN and_CC I_PRP ,_, that_DT 's_VBZ our_PRP$ task_NN to_TO bring_VB faith_NN to_TO our_PRP$ children_NNS ._. 
Thank_VB you_PRP ._. 
No_DT further_JJ questions_NNS ._. 
All_DT right_JJ ._. 
Cross-examine_NNP ,_, Mr._NN Muise_NNP ._. 
CROSS-EXAMINATION_NNP BY_NNP MR_NNP ._. MUISE_NNP :_: Good_JJ afternoon_NN ,_, ma'am_NN ._. 
Good_JJ afternoon_NN ._. 
You_PRP said_VBD your_PRP$ oldest_JJS child_NN is_VBZ seven_CD years_NNS old_JJ ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, she_PRP is_VBZ ._. 
And_CC what_WP grade_NN is_VBZ she_PRP in_RP ?_. 
She_PRP 's_VBZ a_DT second-grader_JJ ._. 
So_IN she_PRP 's_VBZ seven_CD years_NNS out_IN from_IN attending_VBG the_DT ninth-grade_JJ biology_NN class_NN at_IN Dover_NNP High_NNP School_NNP ?_. 
That_DT 's_VBZ correct_JJ ._. 
Now_RB ,_, you_PRP have_VBP an_DT interest_NN in_IN science_NN ._. 
Is_VBZ that_DT correct_JJ ?_. 
Somewhat_NNP ,_, yeah_NN ._. 
I_PRP believe_VBP in_IN your_PRP$ deposition_NN you_PRP indicated_VBD in_IN your_PRP$ day-to-day_JJ events_NNS you_PRP try_VBP to_TO spark_VB your_PRP$ children_NNS 's_POS interest_NN in_IN science_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, I_PRP do_VBP ._. 
And_CC you_PRP believe_VBP it_PRP 's_VBZ important_JJ to_TO make_VB science_NN interesting_JJ for_IN your_PRP$ children_NNS ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, I_PRP do_VBP ._. 
You_PRP do_VBP n't_RB have_VB any_DT specific_JJ training_NN in_IN evolutionary_JJ theory_NN ._. 
Correct_NNP ?_. 
No_DT ,_, I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB ._. 
I_PRP want_VBP to_TO get_VB a_DT sense_NN for_IN what_WP your_PRP$ understanding_NN is_VBZ of_IN what_WP is_VBZ going_VBG on_IN in_IN the_DT ninth-grade_JJ biology_NN class_NN that_IN your_PRP$ daughter_NN will_MD be_VB attending_VBG several_JJ years_NNS from_IN now_RB ._. 
Is_VBZ it_PRP your_PRP$ understanding_NN that_IN Darwin_NNP 's_POS theory_NN of_IN evolution_NN is_VBZ going_VBG to_TO be_VB taught_VBN pursuant_JJ to_TO the_DT state_NN academic_JJ standards_NNS ?_. 
It_PRP is_VBZ my_PRP$ understanding_VBG ,_, yes_UH ._. 
And_CC that_IN students_NNS will_MD be_VB tested_VBN on_IN subjects_NNS that_WDT are_VBP based_VBN on_IN those_DT standards_NNS ,_, including_VBG the_DT theory_NN of_IN evolution_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, that_WDT is_VBZ my_PRP$ understanding_VBG ._. 
And_CC it_PRP 's_VBZ your_PRP$ understanding_NN that_IN the_DT students_NNS will_MD not_RB be_VB tested_VBN on_IN the_DT theory_NN of_IN intelligent_JJ design_NN ?_. 
That_DT is_VBZ also_RB my_PRP$ understanding_NN ,_, yes_UH ._. 
Is_VBZ it_PRP also_RB your_PRP$ understanding_NN that_IN it_PRP is_VBZ a_DT standards-based_JJ district_NN ,_, so_RB classroom_NN instruction_NN will_MD focus_VB on_IN achieving_VBG those_DT standard-based_JJ assessments_NNS in_IN which_WDT they_PRP will_MD eventually_RB be_VB tested_VBN on_RP ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
And_CC intelligent_JJ design_NN is_VBZ not_RB part_VB of_IN those_DT standard-based_JJ assessments_NNS ?_. 
As_RB far_RB as_IN my_PRP$ understanding_NN ,_, yes_UH ,_, it_PRP is_VBZ currently_RB not_RB ._. 
And_CC these_DT board_NN meetings_NNS that_IN you_PRP attended_VBD in_IN June_NNP ,_, the_DT controversy_NN was_VBD surrounding_VBG the_DT purchase_NN of_IN a_DT biology_NN text_NN for_IN the_DT class_NN ._. 
Correct_NNP ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
Do_VBP you_PRP know_VBP which_WDT book_NN it_PRP was_VBD that_IN the_DT controversy_NN was_VBD about_RP ?_. 
I_PRP believe_VBP at_IN the_DT time_NN it_PRP was_VBD the_DT Miller_NNP and_CC Levine_NNP biology_NN text_NN ._. 
And_CC is_VBZ n't_RB it_PRP true_JJ it_PRP was_VBD Mr._NN Buckingham_NNP 's_POS objections_NNS to_TO that_DT biology_NN text_NN which_WDT precipitated_VBD some_DT of_IN these_DT statements_NNS that_IN you_PRP were_VBD referring_VBG to_TO in_IN your_PRP$ direct_JJ testimony_NN ?_. 
That_DT 's_VBZ correct_JJ ._. 
And_CC what_WP action_NN did_VBD the_DT board_NN actually_RB take_VB with_IN regard_NN to_TO the_DT biology_NN book_NN ?_. 
Well_RB ,_, with_IN regard_NN to_TO the_DT biology_NN book_NN ?_. 
With_IN regard_NN to_TO the_DT biology_NN book_NN for_IN the_DT ninth-grade_JJ class_NN ._. 
It_PRP 's_VBZ my_PRP$ understanding_NN that_IN they_PRP held_VBD off_RP on_IN the_DT vote_NN in_IN June_NNP because_IN there_EX was_VBD a_DT new_JJ edition_NN that_WDT was_VBD going_VBG to_TO come_VB out_RP ._. 
And_CC they_PRP wanted_VBD to_TO get_VB the_DT most_RBS current_JJ book_NN instead_RB of_IN wasting_NN money_NN on_IN an_DT older_JJR book_NN ._. 
And_CC so_IN they_PRP ended_VBD up_RP purchasing_VBG the_DT version_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, they_PRP did_VBD ._. 
Yes_UH ,_, they_PRP did_VBD ._. 
Have_VBP you_PRP seen_VBN that_DT book_NN ?_. 
I_PRP have_VBP briefly_NN looked_VBN at_IN it_PRP ._. 
Now_RB ,_, my_PRP$ understanding_NN is_VBZ you_PRP went_VBD to_TO these_DT board_NN meetings_NNS in_IN June_NNP because_IN of_IN the_DT controversy_NN over_IN the_DT biology_NN book_NN ?_. 
Yeah_UH ,_, part_NN of_IN it_PRP ._. 
You_PRP said_VBD you_PRP just_RB skimmed_JJ this_DT biology_NN book_NN that_WDT was_VBD at_IN the_DT center_NN of_IN the_DT controversy_NN ?_. 
It_PRP was_VBD available_JJ on_IN the_DT table_NN where_WRB the_DT board_NN was_VBD sitting_VBG ,_, and_CC I_PRP went_VBD up_RB front_NN and_CC took_VBD a_DT look_NN at_IN it_PRP for_IN maybe_RB a_DT minute_NN or_CC two_CD ._. 
In_IN those_DT two_CD minutes_NNS that_IN you_PRP spent_VBD actually_RB looking_VBG at_IN the_DT book_NN that_WDT was_VBD the_DT center_NN of_IN this_DT controversy_NN ,_, was_VBD there_RB anything_NN in_IN that_DT two-minute_JJ review_NN that_IN you_PRP saw_VBD that_IN you_PRP objected_VBD to_TO ?_. 
No._NN 
I_PRP just_RB basically_RB looked_VBD through_IN the_DT table_NN of_IN contents_NNS quickly_RB ._. 
Is_VBZ it_PRP your_PRP$ understanding_NN that_IN that_DT book_NN that_WDT was_VBD eventually_RB purchased_VBN by_IN the_DT Dover_NNP Area_NNP School_NNP District_NNP covers_VBZ the_DT theory_NN of_IN evolution_NN consistent_JJ with_IN its_PRP$ status_NN in_IN the_DT scientific_JJ community_NN ?_. 
That_DT 's_VBZ my_PRP$ understanding_NN ,_, yes_UH ._. 
Now_RB ,_, these_DT meetings_NNS that_IN you_PRP attended_VBD ,_, would_MD you_PRP describe_VB them_PRP as_IN being_VBG fairly_RB contentious_JJ ?_. 
Fairly_NNP contentious_JJ ,_, yes_UH ._. 
Shouting_NNP matches_VBZ ,_, I_PRP believe_VBP the_DT term_NN you_PRP used_VBD in_IN your_PRP$ --_: 
I_PRP think_VBP a_DT circus-like_JJ atmosphere_NN would_MD be_VB quite_RB appropriate_JJ ._. 
Now_RB ,_, is_VBZ it_PRP your_PRP$ recollection_NN that_IN the_DT first_JJ time_NN the_DT Pandas_NNP book_NN was_VBD mentioned_VBN was_VBD during_IN the_DT July_NNP meeting_NN that_IN you_PRP attended_VBD ?_. 
I_PRP remember_VBP it_PRP being_VBG mentioned_VBN ._. 
I_PRP can_MD not_RB give_VB you_PRP a_DT specific_JJ date_NN ._. 
The_DT dates_NNS run_VBP together_RB after_IN a_DT while_NN ._. 
How_WRB about_IN mentioning_VBG the_DT theory_NN of_IN intelligent_JJ design_NN ,_, do_VBP you_PRP recall_VBP when_WRB you_PRP may_MD have_VB heard_VBN that_DT theory_NN first_RB mentioned_VBN ?_. 
To_TO the_DT best_JJS of_IN my_PRP$ recollection_NN ,_, it_PRP was_VBD first_RB mentioned_VBN June_NNP ,_, July_NNP sometime_RB ._. 
At_IN the_DT time_NN it_PRP seemed_VBD that_DT creationism_NN and_CC intelligent_JJ design_NN were_VBD kind_NN of_IN used_VBN hand-in-hand_JJ interchangeably_RB ._. 
During_IN these_DT public_JJ comments_NNS that_WDT precipitated_VBD some_DT of_IN those_DT statements_NNS that_IN you_PRP were_VBD referring_VBG to_TO ,_, was_VBD it_PRP your_PRP$ impression_NN that_IN Mr._NN Buckingham_NNP and_CC Mr._NN Noel_NNP Weinrich_NNP were_VBD taking_VBG the_DT comments_NNS as_IN being_VBG personally_RB directed_VBN toward_IN them_PRP ?_. 
Not_RB only_RB them_PRP ,_, but_CC the_DT vast_JJ majority_NN of_IN board_NN members_NNS ,_, yes_UH ,_, they_PRP were_VBD ._. 
So_IN they_PRP saw_VBD them_PRP as_IN being_VBG personal_JJ attacks_NNS against_IN them_PRP ?_. 
Yeah_UH ._. 
Now_RB ,_, the_DT first_JJ meeting_NN you_PRP attended_VBD in_IN July_NNP ,_, you_PRP spoke_VBD with_IN Joe_NNP Maldonado_NNP ._. 
Correct_NNP ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
And_CC I_PRP believe_VBP the_DT first_JJ --_: as_IN I_PRP testified_VBD earlier_RBR ,_, the_DT first_JJ meeting_NN I_PRP actually_RB had_VBD attended_VBN was_VBD the_DT second_JJ meeting_NN in_IN June_NNP ._. 
I_PRP guess_VBP my_PRP$ question_NN is_VBZ ,_, the_DT first_JJ meeting_NN that_IN you_PRP attended_VBD in_IN July_NNP --_: 
Yes_UH ,_, I_PRP had_VBD spoken_VBN to_TO Joe_NNP Maldonado_NNP ._. 
And_CC who_WP is_VBZ Joe_NNP Maldonado_NNP ?_. 
It_PRP 's_VBZ my_PRP$ understanding_NN he_PRP is_VBZ a_DT reporter_NN with_IN the_DT York_NNP Dispatch_NNP ._. 
And_CC during_IN this_DT conversation_NN ,_, he_PRP approached_VBD you_PRP and_CC asked_VBD if_IN you_PRP had_VBD read_VBN or_CC were_VBD familiar_JJ with_IN some_DT comments_NNS that_IN he_PRP had_VBD quoted_VBN in_IN the_DT paper_NN ,_, and_CC those_DT were_VBD Mr._NN Buckingham_NNP 's_POS comments_NNS ._. 
Correct_NNP ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, he_PRP had_VBD ._. 
And_CC he_PRP asked_VBD you_PRP what_WP your_PRP$ thoughts_NNS were_VBD about_IN those_DT comments_NNS ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, he_PRP did_VBD ._. 
And_CC he_PRP also_RB asked_VBD you_PRP if_IN you_PRP would_MD ask_VB for_IN Mr._NN Buckingham_NNP 's_POS resignation_NN on_IN the_DT spot_NN ._. 
Correct_NNP ?_. 
That_DT 's_VBZ correct_JJ ._. 
And_CC you_PRP told_VBD him_PRP that_IN you_PRP did_VBD n't_RB think_VB that_WDT was_VBD going_VBG to_TO happen_VB ?_. 
I_PRP told_VBD him_PRP that_IN I_PRP would_MD just_RB sit_VB back_RB and_CC wait_VB and_CC see_VB what_WP happened_VBD ._. 
And_CC your_PRP$ sense_NN for_IN why_WRB he_PRP asked_VBD you_PRP this_DT was_VBD that_IN you_PRP thought_VBD he_PRP was_VBD trying_VBG to_TO elicit_NN something_NN sensational_JJ for_IN his_PRP$ paper_NN ?_. 
There_RB is_VBZ that_DT possibility_NN of_IN trying_VBG to_TO elicit_NN something_NN sensational_JJ ,_, but_CC I_PRP think_VBP he_PRP was_VBD also_RB trying_VBG to_TO prepare_VB for_IN what_WP might_MD happen_VB later_RB on_IN in_IN the_DT meeting_NN since_IN they_PRP tended_VBD to_TO denigrate_NN in_IN shouting_VBG matches_NNS ._. 
May_NNP I_PRP approach_VBP this_DT witness_NN ,_, Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ?_. 
THE_DT COURT_NN :_: You_PRP may_MD ._. 
BY_NNP MR_NNP ._. MUISE_NNP Ma'am_NNP ,_, I_PRP 'm_VBP handing_VBG you_PRP what_WP is_VBZ your_PRP$ deposition_NN testimony_NN that_IN you_PRP gave_VBD on_IN March_NNP 28th_JJ of_IN 2005_CD ._. 
And_CC I_PRP 'd_MD like_VB you_PRP to_TO read_VB ,_, if_IN you_PRP look_VBP on_IN Page_NNP 64_CD ,_, read_VBP from_IN Line_NNP 18_CD through_IN 25_CD ,_, and_CC then_RB we_PRP 'll_MD continue_VB on_IN the_DT next_JJ page_NN once_RB you_PRP finish_VBP that_DT ._. 
"_'' The_DT first_JJ board_NN meeting_NN I_PRP attended_VBD in_IN July_NNP he_PRP approached_VBD me_PRP before_IN the_DT meeting_NN started_VBD and_CC asked_VBD if_IN I_PRP had_VBD read_VBN the_DT --_: if_IN I_PRP was_VBD familiar_JJ with_IN the_DT comments_NNS that_WDT were_VBD quoted_VBN in_IN the_DT paper_NN ._. 
I_PRP told_VBD him_PRP just_RB simply_RB what_WP I_PRP had_VBD read_VBN ._. 
"_'' He_PRP asked_VBD me_PRP what_WP I_PRP thought_VBD about_IN it_PRP ,_, and_CC I_PRP said_VBD ,_, The_DT comments_NNS ,_, I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB feel_VB that_WDT is_VBZ appropriate_JJ ._. 
He_PRP asked_VBD me_PRP if_IN I_PRP asked_VBD for_IN Mr._NN Buckingham_NNP 's_POS resignation_NN on_IN the_DT spot_NN ._. 
I_PRP told_VBD him_PRP I_PRP did_VBD n't_RB think_VB that_IN that_DT was_VBD going_VBG to_TO happen_VB ._. 
"_'' And_CC the_DT next_JJ line_NN ,_, Line_NNP 3_CD ,_, is_VBZ a_DT question_NN which_WDT states_NNS ,_, "_'' When_WRB Mr._NN Maldonado_NNP asked_VBD you_PRP that_DT question_NN ,_, do_VBP you_PRP have_VBP a_DT sense_NN for_IN why_WRB ?_. 
"_'' Could_MD you_PRP plead_VB read_VB your_PRP$ answer_NN ,_, which_WDT is_VBZ Lines_NNPS 5_CD through_IN 8_CD ._. 
"_'' Yeah_UH ._. 
Based_VBN on_IN what_WP was_VBD quoted_VBN in_IN the_DT paper_NN ,_, yeah_NN ,_, I_PRP think_VBP he_PRP was_VBD trying_VBG to_TO elicit_NN some_DT sensational_JJ whatever_WDT for_IN the_DT paper_NN ._. 
It_PRP was_VBD my_PRP$ first_JJ board_NN meeting_NN ._. 
I_PRP just_RB wanted_VBD to_TO sit_VB back_RB and_CC see_VB what_WP would_MD happen_VB ._. 
"_'' Were_VBD you_PRP testifying_VBG truthfully_RB during_IN that_DT deposition_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, I_PRP was_VBD ,_, to_TO the_DT best_JJS of_IN my_PRP$ knowledge_NN ._. 
You_PRP 've_VBP had_VBN additional_JJ discussions_NNS with_IN Mr._NN Maldonado_NNP about_IN the_DT happenings_NNS with_IN the_DT board_NN ._. 
Correct_NNP ?_. 
Yeah_UH ._. 
And_CC you_PRP also_RB had_VBD conversations_NNS with_IN Ms._NN Heidi_NNP Bubb_NNP ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
And_CC she_PRP 's_VBZ a_DT reporter_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
For_IN which_WDT paper_NN ?_. 
She_PRP 's_VBZ a_DT reporter_NN for_IN the_DT Dispatch_NNP ._. 
I_PRP said_VBD earlier_RBR Mr._NN Maldonado_NNP was_VBD for_IN the_DT Dispatch_NNP ._. 
I_PRP believe_VBP he_PRP is_VBZ actually_RB a_DT reporter_NN for_IN the_DT Daily_NNP Record_NNP ._. 
I_PRP believe_VBP you_PRP testified_VBD in_IN your_PRP$ deposition_NN that_IN after_IN the_DT complaint_NN was_VBD filed_VBN ,_, you_PRP actually_RB spoke_VBD with_IN Ms._NN Heidi_NNP Bubb_NNP quite_RB a_DT bit_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, at_IN the_DT board_NN meetings_NNS ._. 
Well_RB ,_, I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB recall_VB whether_IN or_CC not_RB I_PRP did_VBD say_VB after_IN suit_NN was_VBD filed_VBN ,_, but_CC I_PRP 'll_MD take_VB your_PRP$ word_NN for_IN it_PRP if_IN it_PRP 's_VBZ in_IN my_PRP$ deposition_NN testimony_NN ._. 
I_PRP 'm_VBP sorry_JJ ,_, ma'am_NN ,_, could_MD you_PRP --_: 
I_PRP said_VBD ,_, I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB recall_VB whether_IN or_CC not_RB I_PRP did_VBD say_VB that_IN I_PRP had_VBD spoken_VBN with_IN her_PRP after_IN suit_NN was_VBD filed_VBN ._. 
I_PRP mean_VBP ,_, if_IN that_DT 's_VBZ what_WP it_PRP says_VBZ in_IN my_PRP$ deposition_NN testimony_NN ,_, that_DT 's_VBZ what_WP I_PRP testified_VBD to_TO at_IN the_DT time_NN ._. 
Let_VB 's_PRP go_VB to_TO Page_NNP 68_CD of_IN your_PRP$ deposition_NN transcript_NN ,_, ma'am_NN ._. 
Okay_UH ._. 
On_IN Line_NNP 16_CD ,_, the_DT question_NN was_VBD asked_VBN ,_, "_'' Can_MD you_PRP recall_VB generally_RB when_WRB you_PRP spoke_VBD with_IN her_PRP ?_. 
"_'' And_CC in_IN reference_NN of_IN the_DT --_: if_IN you_PRP look_VBP above_RB ,_, it_PRP 's_VBZ referring_VBG to_TO Ms._NN Heidi_NNP Bubb_NNP ._. 
Can_MD you_PRP read_VB what_WP your_PRP$ answer_NN was_VBD on_IN Lines_NNPS 17_CD through_IN 21_CD ?_. 
"_'' She_PRP would_MD generally_RB approach_VB me_PRP after_IN the_DT meetings_NNS ._. 
Especially_RB after_IN the_DT complaint_NN was_VBD filed_VBN ,_, I_PRP spoke_VBD with_IN her_PRP$ a_DT lot_NN ._. 
She_PRP would_MD ask_VB me_PRP occasionally_RB my_PRP$ thoughts_NNS ,_, public_JJ comment_NN ,_, what_WP I_PRP thought_VBD --_: why_WRB I_PRP thought_VBD the_DT board_NN was_VBD doing_VBG what_WP they_PRP were_VBD doing_VBG ,_, those_DT such_JJ things_NNS ._. 
"_'' Now_RB ,_, back_RB in_IN July_NNP or_CC August_NNP ,_, 2004_CD ,_, you_PRP had_VBD communications_NNS with_IN the_DT National_NNP Center_NNP for_IN Science_NNP Education_NNP ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
I_PRP believe_VBP you_PRP joined_VBD the_DT Listserv_NNP ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
And_CC you_PRP also_RB had_VBD a_DT discussion_NN with_IN them_PRP regarding_VBG an_DT interview_NN with_IN the_DT AP_NNP ?_. 
It_PRP was_VBD a_DT brief_JJ e-mail_JJ exchange_NN ,_, but_CC yes_UH ._. 
Did_VBD you_PRP do_VBP that_DT interview_NN ?_. 
No_DT ,_, I_PRP did_VBD not_RB ._. 
Ma'am_NNP ,_, do_VBP you_PRP understand_VBP that_IN the_DT statement_NN that_WDT 's_VBZ going_VBG to_TO be_VB read_VBN to_TO the_DT students_NNS in_IN the_DT ninth-grade_JJ biology_NN class_NN was_VBD modified_VBN in_IN June_NNP of_IN 2005_CD ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, I_PRP do_VBP ._. 
And_CC do_VBP you_PRP understand_VBP that_IN that_DT modification_NN indicated_VBD that_IN the_DT book_NN Of_IN Pandas_NNP and_CC People_NNS would_MD be_VB in_IN the_DT library_NN along_IN with_IN other_JJ resources_NNS regarding_VBG intelligent_JJ design_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
And_CC is_VBZ it_PRP your_PRP$ understanding_NN that_IN those_DT other_JJ resources_NNS included_VBD books_NNS that_WDT are_VBP actually_RB critical_JJ of_IN intelligent_JJ design_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
Do_VBP you_PRP have_VB any_DT objection_NN to_TO that_DT ?_. 
No_DT ,_, I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB ._. 
Now_RB ,_, you_PRP testified_VBD about_IN the_DT harm_NN that_IN you_PRP 've_VBP received_VBN based_VBN on_IN these_DT statements_NNS and_CC the_DT comments_NNS and_CC the_DT actions_NNS of_IN the_DT board_NN ._. 
I_PRP 'd_MD like_VB you_PRP to_TO go_VB to_TO your_PRP$ deposition_NN transcript_NN ,_, if_IN you_PRP could_MD ,_, to_TO Page_NNP 101_CD ._. 
Okay_UH ._. 
If_IN you_PRP 'd_MD read_VB from_IN Line_NNP 16_CD ,_, which_WDT presents_VBZ the_DT question_NN ,_, until_IN Line_NNP 2_CD of_IN the_DT next_JJ page_NN ._. 
"_'' Question_NNP :_: Is_VBZ there_EX anything_NN else_RB that_IN the_DT board_NN has_VBZ done_VBN here_RB in_IN connection_NN with_IN the_DT curriculum_NN change_NN that_WDT provides_VBZ a_DT basis_NN for_IN your_PRP$ complaint_NN ?_. 
"_'' Answer_NNP :_: From_IN what_WP I_PRP can_MD see_VB from_IN attending_VBG the_DT board_NN meetings_NNS ,_, I_PRP do_VBP n't_RB know_VB ,_, because_IN so_RB much_JJ of_IN the_DT curriculum_NN debate_NN takes_VBZ place_NN at_IN non-public_JJ meetings_NNS that_IN I_PRP am_VBP not_RB aware_JJ of_IN ._. 
And_CC when_WRB board_NN members_NNS are_VBP questioned_VBN at_IN meetings_NNS ,_, they_PRP really_RB do_VBP n't_RB answer_VB any_DT questions_NNS ._. 
So_IN it_PRP gives_VBZ this_DT whole_JJ illusion_NN of_IN secrecy_NN to_TO the_DT process_NN ,_, which_WDT ,_, you_PRP know_VBP ,_, may_MD be_VB a_DT big_JJ part_NN of_IN the_DT problem_NN ._. 
It_PRP may_MD just_RB be_VB a_DT big_JJ misunderstanding_VBG ._. 
"_'' Were_VBD you_PRP testifying_VBG truthfully_RB when_WRB you_PRP answered_VBD that_DT question_NN ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, I_PRP was_VBD ._. 
No_DT further_JJ questions_NNS ,_, Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ._. 
Redirect_NNP ?_. 
No_DT ,_, Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ._. 
All_DT right_JJ ._. 
Then_RB ,_, ma'am_NN ,_, we_PRP thank_VBP you_PRP ._. 
You_PRP may_MD step_VB down_RB ._. 
This_DT is_VBZ probably_RB an_DT appropriate_JJ time_NN for_IN us_PRP to_TO end_VB today_NN ._. 
We_PRP will_MD do_VB so_RB by_IN admitting_VBG the_DT exhibits_NNS that_IN we_PRP need_VBP to_TO ,_, if_IN we_PRP need_VBP to_TO ._. 
P_NN 46_CD is_VBZ the_DT York_NNP Daily_NNP Record_NNP article_NN ._. 
I_PRP assume_VBP we_PRP 're_VBP going_VBG to_TO withhold_VB admitting_VBG that_IN pending_VBG further_JJ proceedings_NNS ._. 
Is_VBZ that_DT right_NN ,_, Mr._NN Harvey_NNP ?_. 
Yes_UH ._. 
We_PRP 'll_MD move_VB it_PRP in_IN after_IN another_DT witness_NN ,_, Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ._. 
P_NN 56_CD is_VBZ the_DT witness_NN 's_POS letter_NN to_TO the_DT editor_NN ._. 
Are_VBP you_PRP moving_VBG for_IN the_DT admission_NN of_IN P_NN 56_CD ?_. 
Yes_UH ,_, Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ._. 
Now_RB ,_, you_PRP 've_VBP stated_VBN an_DT objection_NN to_TO that_DT ._. 
The_DT objection_NN is_VBZ noted_VBN ._. 
You_PRP do_VBP n't_RB have_VB to_TO restate_VB it_PRP ._. 
And_CC I_PRP will_MD note_VB the_DT objection_NN ._. 
Do_VBP you_PRP have_VB any_DT additional_JJ objections_NNS you_PRP want_VBP to_TO make_VB to_TO that_DT ?_. 
Not_RB at_IN this_DT time_NN ,_, Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ._. 
That_DT 's_VBZ it_PRP ._. 
All_DT right_JJ ._. 
It_PRP 's_VBZ admitted_VBN subject_JJ to_TO the_DT defendants_NNS '_POS objection_NN ._. 
P_NN 60_CD is_VBZ the_DT letter_NN from_IN School_NNP Board_NNP Member_NNP Geesey_NNP to_TO the_DT editor_NN again_RB ._. 
I_PRP think_VBP I_PRP noted_VBD that_IN it_PRP was_VBD admitted_VBN ._. 
Over_IN the_DT objection_NN already_RB of_IN the_DT defendants_NNS ,_, we_PRP 'll_MD reaffirm_VB that_RB ,_, but_CC you_PRP can_MD make_VB any_DT other_JJ objections_NNS you_PRP want_VBP to_TO on_IN the_DT record_NN ,_, but_CC I_PRP think_VBP that_WDT was_VBD thoroughly_RB argued_VBN at_IN that_DT time_NN ._. 
That_DT 's_VBZ correct_JJ ,_, Your_PRP$ Honor_NNP ._. 
All_DT right_JJ ._. 
We_PRP will_MD reconvene_NN a_DT little_JJ later_RB tomorrow_NN ,_, at_IN 9:30_NN a.m._NN ,_, because_IN of_IN some_DT matters_NNS that_IN I_PRP must_MD attend_VB to_TO ,_, and_CC the_DT session_NN will_MD go_VB longer_RBR ._. 
With_IN everybody_NN 's_POS indulgence_NN ,_, I_PRP would_MD expect_VB to_TO go_VB to_TO approximately_RB 5_CD o'clock_RB ,_, no_RB later_RBR than_IN 5_CD o'clock_RB tomorrow_NN to_TO make_VB up_RP for_IN the_DT time_NN that_IN we_PRP lose_VBP during_IN the_DT morning_NN session_NN ._. 
So_IN we_PRP will_MD stand_VB in_IN recess_NN until_IN 9:30_NN a.m._NN on_IN Thursday_NNP ._. 
We_PRP thank_VBP you_PRP all_DT ._. 
(_( Whereupon_NNP ,_, the_DT proceedings_NNS were_VBD adjourned_VBN at_IN 4:20_NN p.m._NN 
)_) CERTIFICATION_NNP I_PRP hereby_NN certify_VB that_IN the_DT proceedings_NNS and_CC evidence_NN are_VBP contained_VBN fully_RB and_CC accurately_RB in_IN the_DT notes_NNS taken_VBN by_IN me_PRP on_IN the_DT within_IN proceedings_NNS and_CC that_IN this_DT copy_NN is_VBZ a_DT correct_JJ transcript_NN of_IN the_DT same_JJ ._. 
Dated_NNP in_IN Harrisburg_NNP ,_, Pennsylvania_NNP ,_, this_DT 28th_JJ day_NN of_IN September_NNP ,_, 2005_CD ._. 
Lori_NNP A._NN Shuey_NNP ,_, RPR_NNP ,_, CRR_NNP Official_NNP Court_NNP Reporter_NNP United_NNP States_NNPS Courthouse_NN Walnut_NNP Street_NNP ,_, P.O._NN Box_NNP 983_CD Harrisburg_NNP ,_, PA_NNP 17108_CD -_: 0983_CD (_( 717_CD )_) 215_CD -_: 1270_CD 